2025-11-24- KSR - Hour 2

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Hour two of Kentucky Sports Radio, present it by Stockton Mortgage. Now here's Matt Jones.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back coming Umber two Kentucky Sports Radio. If I have nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven text machine is seven seven two seven seven four five two five four, A lot of texts coming in, a lot of people with strong opinions. A lot of people want Ryan to talk more about Diego, Pavis Monk. Those people don't get those people don't get to get a pout okay to see, It's just it never stops with him and he can try and guys, Hey, Mario, Mario, here, this is what you're supposed to be doing. I'm not I'm not there. I'm not gonna be there tomorrow either. By the way, Mario, you're gonna have to step up on this. Uh tomorrow night. By the way, if Kentucky wins tonight in volleyball tomorrow night, we'll have a watch party at ks Bar. I'm coming, Drew's coming. Maybe we could talk Ryan into coming. Uh, but uh we will for the SEC tournament finals tomorrow night, So put that on. You know, it's Thanksgiving. It would be a good fun Tuesday night. They gotta win to uh tonight. One person writes, Matt, I love this conversation, but I have a question for Drew. I think it's hypocritical to say he should be gone but he wouldn't contribute. How does that make sense? All right, I'm going to take it for Drew and then I'll let him very easy. I would say, I think most people who want him gone wouldn't pay for the buyout. And I can understand it's Drew's like, it's not Drew can say it's not my responsibility, but and I get it. But I think most people would say that, which is why it's hard for Mitch to raise this money. Drew.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if this were like a private business, that's just him asking for another bailout because he's messing up the books, Like why do I have to help you out?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 5: I mean we we recently talked about how he might step away. He gets eight hundred thousand a year in retirement for a couple of years. Why would I have to give my money? Like I didn't put us in that situation. And that's not just Drew Franklin, that's but I think that most people have.

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Speaker 4: But then you can't get mad Shannon if the Boosters don't want to do it, because I think most of us wouldn't do it either.

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Speaker 7: Totally agree.

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Speaker 3: And I'm in the same camp as people that maybe think that there should be a change if the buyout weren't a thing.

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Speaker 7: But you're going to contribute my money, you know what?

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Speaker 4: It reminds me of. It reminds me of the two thousand and eight financial crisis, right the banks all screw up, give people loans that can't get them, then they need bailed out by the government. The government is like, if we don't bail these banks out, our economy crashes. But Shannon, taxpayers are like, why are we giving the same people that screwed up the money? Right? And I get it. And Mitch is now like the government trying to figure out what do we do?

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Speaker 3: And Yeah, I'm not going to give my money. Drew's not gonna do it. Ryan, would you?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think I wouldn't leave Misside.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting pretty tired of them asking another blue collar coal miner for fifty.

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Speaker 4: Dollars when all this is going on. I totally agree with you. So that's how I think. That's why people say to me, how can they bring him back? I think that is ultimately how it would end up happening. Let's do a couple things different here before I go back to phones. Can we talk about do we love the guy on TV in the blue Legion of Doom gear with his blue wedding ring.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to that guy. Yeah, he's the MVP of Big Blue Nations.

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Speaker 3: Face paint and all shoulder spikes, shoulder pat spikes.

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Speaker 4: I think he was to me, he's king of the BBN for the week.

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Speaker 8: He is impartment in part because he's what he's wearing, but more importantly because he's still there at the end of the game, right, still there hanging in and like I put his picture up and I was kind of worried, Oh well, people mock him.

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Speaker 4: They actually rhyme kind of embraced the guy. And so I don't know who he is. No one's told me yet who he is. Does anybody knows anybody who he is?

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 5: I've seen people saying he was so nice and have a selfie with him, and several people met him in Nashville. But now so if you have the text machine and you know him seven seven two seven seven four five two five four, I'd like to know who it is.

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Speaker 4: I salute that guy, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I hope it ends up being a player's dad, because you know, Boom Williams dad kind of did that when Boom was here, and I think he just summarized what we all felt at that moment.

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Speaker 3: That I hope it's a regular person, because one would argue that he deserved more camera time.

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Speaker 4: Wearing if he was wearing thigh high boots, though, I think that would have been What did you think about the blue wedding ring?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 4: Have never seen that before? Either?

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Speaker 10: No, I'd never seen that before.

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Speaker 5: I bet this guy's got an unbelievable man cave at the fact that his wedding ring is UK blue. He has UK emblems on those shoulder pads, the whole bit. If he's wearing that to an away game. I got to see this guy's house, it's probably UK.

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Speaker 4: I bet it's awesome. I bet he's got like a lot of memorabilia. I I've got to think he's listening to this show. Call in dude, Well, he's gonna have a hard time getting it in the lines are full. But I bet you, Shannon, don't you think he's probably listening to this show? Yeah, and either now are on podcast.

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Speaker 3: We could track this guy down someone's gonna know him, so let me know.

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Speaker 4: I want to. I'd like to have this guy on so like somebody one of y'all people know him. If he's not listening, let me know, because I think he deserves I'd like to know more about him. Second, I thought of you when I saw this, Shannon. Did you see the nerd off at the Cal Stanford game?

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Speaker 7: No? No, I didn't what.

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Speaker 4: This might be Next to Diego Pavia's mom and this guy my favorite video of the weekend. So Callen Stanford play each other. It's the nerd Bowl. Okay, two nerdy academic schools. They play for an axe. Okay, okay, yeah, it's like you know, it's like their equivalent of the whatever Commonwealth Cup or whatever. They play for an axe. Collen Stanford are just a few miles from each other. When the game is over, though I've never seen this before, they the losing team hands the acts to the winning team. All right, But here's what's weird. They don't have the players do it. They have random student nerds do it to each other.

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Speaker 7: Sounds dangerous, So they face each other.

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Speaker 4: You've got to look at this video online, all right, Drew, maybe you can find it and tweet it out or something. Yea. The two groups of nerds are eyeing each other and one set of nerds hands the acts to the other nerds and it is like, you look at the kids. I'm sure they're wonderful people, but it is the cast of Revenge of the Nerds, and they are all trying to look hard while they're doing it. They hand it over. I think Stanford wins. They hand it over and Stanford students start celebrating, and one of the football players for Stanford, Shannon, just starts yelling at the Cow nerds. These poor students who didn't play in the game and are just standing there with their pocket squares. This like six five huge linemen gets in their face and is like a and they are scared to death.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a player, the nerds are off limit. The nerds fight each other way, you know. Yeah, that's not fair.

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Speaker 4: You've got to see the video. The cow student nerds are so scared and this Stanford player is yelling at them in their face.

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Speaker 3: But look for the California team not to have one player to come out and defend their nerds.

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Speaker 4: No, no one was there to defend the nerds are on the front line with no backup.

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Speaker 10: Well, I I can see why they're scared.

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Speaker 2: There's a six or five guy yelling actually, and you just gave them an axe.

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Speaker 4: That's a fair point, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: If you watch were talking about an actual acts, I'm never.

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Speaker 4: Saying it's a mounted axe. I don't think it's like a usable act.

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Speaker 3: Can't roll it off the thing that's mounted onto and just start singing.

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Speaker 4: I love the idea that when the game is over, the students who didn't play have to confront each other.

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Speaker 7: I would refuse to give them the acts.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine if at the end of the Kentucky Louisville game, a group of Kentucky students had to stand with a group of Louisville students and hand them the trophy.

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Speaker 7: I'm seeing it right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's like a standoff between dorks.

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Speaker 4: It's a dork.

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Speaker 3: Stand that takes two dorks to hand over one ax. They can't, like, they're not strong enough to just have one person.

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Speaker 4: And now, what's the Stanford guy come in and yell at him?

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Speaker 7: Yeah he is number seventy four.

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Speaker 4: Seventy four needs to calm down.

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Speaker 7: Why was he even in thereus he has a helmet on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, right though, if Louisville fans and Kentucky fans had to do it, there'd be a fight.

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Speaker 4: There would definitely be a fight. Only out there at the academic schools on the West coast. Did they know there won't be a fight? You did that here? There would be a fight, big fight, Mike, Go ahead, Mike. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I'm a seventy three year old lifetime Kentucky saying and my thoughts on I'm flip flopping back and forth weekly. You know about stoops. But uh, I'm gonna say this. Uh, I'm gonna make a prediction. K's going to beat ju a Bell next week and STEP's going to keep his job. And I think even if they lose next week, bench spark Hunt won't get rid of stoops. That's what I think.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate the car. I think that's very reasonable. By the way, Louisville's close to Quinton Drew.

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Speaker 10: Yes, they are.

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Speaker 4: I mean they are close to quit. They might show up and if we scored two touchdowns early, they might roll over.

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Speaker 5: That's why I think if Kentucky's defense can get healthy, just a few guys especially Alex Afari. I think Kentucky can win that game because even though Vandy was so bad, I still think Stoops has that locker room going into the Governor's Cup and they're one win from a bowl game. I think they can pull it off, as long as that injury report looks a little better.

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Speaker 4: I'm mad at Alexa Fari's girlfriend, right she gave us bad info.

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Speaker 10: She gave us some bad info the other day. That's a pretty good source to have.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like she's one of our hosts. Like I feel like we know.

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Speaker 3: Oh she was the one because I didn't know. You said you had a really good source.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean his his girlfriend works at the book.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and he was in uniform and I.

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Speaker 4: Did it didn't work.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he thought Governor's cups more important his mom. This is gonna be all about Pavia. I'm gonna rest up and be ready for reading it.

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Speaker 4: Joe, go ahead, Joe.

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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, you know the biggest thing that two things that hurt Kentucky football right now is one I was with the contract with Stoops. Obviously he's probably gonna stay just because of the money. But the other big thing is that the success of Indiana, Vanderbilt, or even Louisville's perception is better than us. I mean, their success, they're not. You know, when that guy called an earlier so he's been set to since ninety eight. Ninety eight, we'd be thrilled to death. One went away from a bowl game like bowls are great. But now it's when you see Indiana and Vanderbilt, even Tulane making maybe making the playoff, and can tell you football is feels light years from those schools.

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Speaker 4: Correct. I agree with you, and that's why I think the job is more attractive now. By the way, though, because you can do that at those schools when in ninety eight I don't think you we would have thought you could do that. Here you now can, and I appreciate that you can do that now. The new era of the way players are paid makes it to where you can now do this. You just have to do it. And the fact that Indiana and Vandy have done it without question makes this more difficult for Mark. Mike, go ahead, Mike, gentlemen, good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 12: Uh. Really, ultimately, I think what this boils down to, if you keep stoops, you're looking at maybe two to three year window of just a downward maybe four year downward spirals if you get rid of them, cut bait. I'm really going to have it maybe a two year into a three year window of a downward spiral, but getting out of it sooner you realize your financial loss quicker. And speaking of THEA crisis, I had a very smart financial guy that I worked with professionally commercially who said, first loss is best loss. You go ahead and you get rid of it. You go ahead and realize your loss. We're going to take a loss regardless of when this happens.

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Speaker 4: And that's, by the way, what in a way, That's what they did, and it kind of saved the economy. I mean it went correct. It took a while, but it did. I mean, for better or worse. Bush and Pelosi and McCain and Obama, they all sat there. They agreed to do it, and everyone hated it, but they kind of had to. And there are some people who argue that you kind of have to do that. Go ahead.

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Speaker 12: Last thought on this though, is do we want our current ad involved in a new search for a new football coach?

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Speaker 6: Period? I don't want that.

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Speaker 12: I'd rather see his ass retire.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the call. I think there's a lot of people that feel that way. And I think he's going to be retired at the end of the year. So let's assume Ryan he's going to be retired at the end of the year. Should he hire the next coach?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's where I think Mark Hill becomes a viable candidate to replace Bitch because he's already in place. He'd be involved with the search from the get go, regardless if Mitch.

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Speaker 4: I mean, do you think if they make a change at a D, do you want someone internal?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's what I'm saying. I think he would be involved with the search from December one, whenever this move happens.

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Speaker 4: To only have him do it if he was going to be the new a D.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's why I think if if something happens, he's Mark Hill's gonna be our ad because of that reason right.

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Speaker 4: Here, Jake, Just because they have to because they have to hire a coach.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's not that's actually not a bad dog. Yeah, I mean it's not easy. None of this is easy. Let's do one more, Wilson, Go ahead, Wilson, Hey man, I want to.

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Speaker 12: Look at this through the lens of a business, in the Athletic department as a business, which is what it is, where the fans are the shareholders, Mitch's the CEO, and the university represents the board of directors. Okay, you just said the athletic department is in the worst shape physically that it's been in in twenty years.

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Speaker 4: It is. Let me, let me just say one thing before you say that. Yes, but relative to other universities, were actually in pretty good shape. Honestly, most universities are in a crisis Kentucky. This is just the first year they lost money, but it is. It is probably in the worst shape it's been but relative to other schools are actually okay.

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Speaker 6: But go ahead, Okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 12: So when you look at that, I believe we're into shape for a large part due to Mitch as our leader, putting personal beliefs over what is best for the business. I'm responsible for people and multiple states and multiple leaders, and every one of those leaders get to asked a question, and that's how would you execute something or a director from the company that you were personally in disagreement with They asked that reason, for example, what we're seeing with Mitch Barhart. He chose not to embrace an I l he chells not to make the other changes that he's needed to do. And he's also failed to connect with the majority of this business, which is the vp N, and he's not responded to the things that matter to them the most instead of to some of these larger donors, which I get he has to.

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Speaker 4: I think those are fair points. I'm gonna have to go to break, but I think those are completely fair points. That is a completely fair point. I do think too often Mitch has done what Mitch personally would do because Mitch's belief is in an old school system that does not exist anymore. If I'm nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven, We'll take a break, be right back, Skazar, welcome back, take you sports Radio. If I'm nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven, text machine is seven seven two seven seven four five two five four. I don't have a ton of messages here. I don't seem Shannon to have the guy yet. Is he mysterious?

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Speaker 3: I mean, somebody has to know this guy with this sure reach that we have through the show.

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Speaker 4: Somebody knows, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He goes all the home games. I've seen him before. I've seen him before too.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he's a podcast listener and we'll get you know, tomorrow or something.

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Speaker 4: I'm just surprised there's not someone listening. Even if he's not listening, who knows him, all right, So this reason I'm playing this, I remember I share Ryan. I talked to you about how Scotland made the World Cup.

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Speaker 10: Yes you did.

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Speaker 4: There is an amazing video on the internet that I've watched conservatively fifty times of in the moments after Scotland won, this song playing at a bar and the whole bar is singing it, all right, and they're going crazy celebrating, and you can see on the TV Scotland celebrating the background, and there are grown men crying okay, and they're hugging each other and strangers are like going nuts and this is playing in the background and they're all singing it. And I watched that video and it's like, exactly why I love sports. It's a bar full of people that don't know each other. It's music, it's happiness, it's camaraderie. Some people are filming it, but some people, Shannon, are just living in the moment right, And I sat there and watched it and I said, this is what this is why I'm a sports fan. In some ways are like this situation, and I want it again with Kentucky so bad because we've had those moments. I think of Ryan taking his shirt off when we beat Florida and football, right. I think about the various celebrations I've been in in twenty fourteen and twenty twelve and etc. And I want that again. But I there's so much negativity, understandably right now. But if you want to be cheered out up, find that video of this because there's an o and I want you to look for There's an old man in the center of the bar and he's by himself. You have to look for him, okay, And he's holding his fingers up in the air and just pointing and dancing crime and he next to this guy at the Vandy game may be my favorite person, this old Scottish guy celebrating scott and going to the World Cup with this song plane Ryan. It's why I like sports, and I got to I've literally watched it fifty times, I posted on my Instagram story, and I'll probably watch it again after the show's over.

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Speaker 10: You're right, Sports is that one thing.

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Speaker 2: No matter what your race, no matter what your generation, no matter what your political affiliation is, you're all drawn together for one cause and you're seeing it right there in that video.

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Speaker 4: And I think, Shannon, this is the perfect song for it.

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Speaker 7: Oh oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean who listens to this song and doesn't happy?

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Speaker 4: Right first? Does anyone not like this song?

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Speaker 7: No, everybody loves a song like this song.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I loved the song. I remember singing it in school when I was in like elementary school.

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Speaker 4: Best song, and we just played all of it and on podcasts, none of you heard any of it during the case one last feel good thing? Have you heard Ryan? The story about Bob and his cigarette?

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Speaker 10: Who is Bob? And what do we have to destroy about his cigarette?

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I love this, but I think I do. And I don't even like cigarettes. I actually hate cigarettes. An old man named Bob like seventy three years old. He posts flyers around New York a week ago that said, I'm going to smoke a cigarette at Washington Square Park at two o'clock on Friday. If you would like to come have a conversation, come join me. Okay, okay, post them all over New York. It's just an old man standing there saying, come to Washington Square Park two o'clock on Friday and smoke a cigarette with me, Shannon. He went and bought two packs of cigarettes. H all right, again, I may anti cigarette, but I do like these moments. Two thousand people showed up. Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm gonna say you might be a little optimistic buying two packs of cigarettes.

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Speaker 7: He should have bought a few cartons.

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Speaker 4: Two thousand people showed up at this at the park. Wow. And there's this great video of somebody brings him a you know what do you call it a megaphone or whatever where you can and he talks and he's crying, and all these people just hang out and smoke a cigarette with Bob and have this like communal moment. Drew, I don't know why I think that's so cool, But Bob and his cigarette, I think is a neat thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I feel like we should maybe not be encouraging the cigarette smoking cigarette. No, No, I'm just hanging out, I know, but I'm about to say. He yells everybody fire him up. It's like he's all leading them to their cigarettes. I saw the video too. I think at one point he's like, all right, let's have another one. So everyone is just in Unison firing up their SIGs in the park and.

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Speaker 10: He looks exactly as I thought he would look. And he said, a seventy three old man.

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Speaker 4: From New York, he's just standing there. I did, that's kind of a cool, a cool thing that also happens. You really feel good.

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Speaker 10: He thinks, show that story.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, shaw, I.

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Speaker 13: Heard your cigarette thing. Now, I just got to think, and to give two thousand people cigarettes in New York, that would be almost the same amount as.

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Speaker 4: The buyout, yeah, probably, so it'd be closed.

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Speaker 13: So I was thinking about this because I like to try to think of, you know, how would I solve this problem with stoops And I personally, I think you almost have to bring you back just because of the money for one more year. And you can tell me how much does that change to buyout if we do this next year?

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Speaker 4: I mean, not a ton. I think it goes down to like twenty eight or twenty nine.

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Speaker 13: Still better. So I'm my owner operator truck driver, and I had a truck go down and I have, you know, a backup truck, So I have to make a decision in my business. My livelihood is what do I do? Do I go out and buy a new truck or do I go buy a used truck? And well, a new truck's gonna is beyond my budget. So out and I'll buy me a used.

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Speaker 4: Truck twenty seconds, real quick truck.

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Speaker 13: If that used truck last me for five or six years, it's okay. But what if I get the joker Phillips model and it gets worse? Now I'm so upside down in that truck that I don't know how I go forward. And that's what I'm afraid Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: That's a fair point. We always we all assume the new coach will do well. You're right, there's a chance they wouldn't. I appreciate it. By the way, really good calls today. Really in a long time. We'll be right back. TJ.

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Speaker 7: Smith, personal injury attorney called TJ.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it, And to me, it just all boils down to how we're stuck in this situation because the decision makers above Stoops. You know, Stoops has actually shown that he fixed the culture of what people want to know. I'm going to be careful to not defend the season as a whole, because I'm still disappointed. But some of the things he said he would fix in March he did fix, and they could go to a bowl game on Saturday. Starting to get into sunshine pump a little bit here.

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Speaker 4: Boy, when you say disappointed, I went back and looked at our season predictions and I picked five and seven, and I believe all of the rest if you pick six and six. So if we lose, we'll finish with mine. If we win, we'll finish what you all have if they finished six and six, And that's kind of what you thought would happen. Are you still disappointed?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because some of the blowouts, Like we just live in a world where Tennessee is going to score fifty points on us. With the current setup of Kentucky football and then the Vandy thing. I know, the defense was so beat up, but the offensive line didn't good. The offense didn't look good. But we all did say the one thing he needed to do was make a bowl game. Well that's my point. If you win Saturday, I think it makes it very hard to fire him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That does not give me any optimism moving forward, but I.

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Speaker 4: Think I'm making the most moving forward. I agree with you. I one thing where I think I'm definitely in unison with you is I don't have optimism moving forward. You know.

00:26:21
Speaker 5: Also, I don't know if you've seen Louisvill's injury report, but it's coming out. They're gonna have no one on offense. Their top receivers now out, their top three running backs are out.

00:26:28
Speaker 4: So now we better wint. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they might have it.

00:26:33
Speaker 5: They might have a team when we get to that game.

00:26:36
Speaker 10: Yeah, Drew, but up a good point.

00:26:38
Speaker 2: Not just the losses they had this year, it's how they played in those losses.

00:26:41
Speaker 10: It's kind of a lingering hangover.

00:26:44
Speaker 4: I agree with that. By the way, today starts Feast Week, the Players Era Festival I don't know if you've seen Have you seen the schedule for this Player's Era Festival today?

00:26:56
Speaker 5: Tonight's or today's TV slate starts at one? Is incredib Let me just give you games.

00:27:02
Speaker 4: This is the Player's Era Festival. Here are the games. Rutgers, Tennessee, Creighton, Baylor, Kansas, Notre Dame, Saint John's, Iowa State, Houston, Syracuse, Auburn, Oregon, Alabama, Gonzaga, Michigan, San Diego State.

00:27:18
Speaker 10: Wow.

00:27:18
Speaker 4: And you can see all of those in the same buildings GYP.

00:27:22
Speaker 7: Well, next year, Kentucky needs to be a part of Kentucky.

00:27:24
Speaker 4: Yes, Matt Norlander did a story that said Kentucky will not be a part of it.

00:27:29
Speaker 6: Wow.

00:27:30
Speaker 4: Man Kentucky apparently told Matt Norlander that we make five million dollars from the BBN United tip Off Classic sponsored by Kentucky Tourism. No, I'm not kidding. Wow. And they say they can't give it up to play in the player as Ara Festival next year. This year, the Players Ara Festival has sixteen teams. Next year it's going to have thirty two, possibly forty eight, and it's going to be and the winning teams get a million dollars in nil for their players, and Kentucky has gone on record Ryan and said they're not going to play in it.

00:28:07
Speaker 2: It sounds like nearly every other higher profile program is going to be there.

00:28:11
Speaker 4: Well due North Carolina and Yukon. I've also not agreed to playing it, although they are leaving open the possibility they might play in it next year. Kentucky was the one program that said we are not going.

00:28:22
Speaker 3: Kentucky says they're not going to That sounds like a Mitch Barnhart thing, right, There's.

00:28:26
Speaker 4: No doubt in my mind that's a Mitch Barnhart.

00:28:28
Speaker 7: It doesn't feel like a Mark Pope thing.

00:28:29
Speaker 4: It's a money thing. It's a money thing, and it's tough because at the same time that we're asking them to consider getting rid of a coach with a thirty seven million dollars buyout, we're saying they care too much about money. But it's a money thing. These other schools are playing and next year, folks, this tournament is going to have every good team in the country except maybe us.

00:28:49
Speaker 10: In Duke We'll be home playing Valpa and we're.

00:28:52
Speaker 4: Going to be playing Eastern Illinois Valpo, and I don't know how that's better Nichols.

00:28:56
Speaker 7: Don't forget about Nichols.

00:28:57
Speaker 4: There's gonna be no reason to play in it that money, and I hate that. I hate that for our fans. Imagine you could go to Vegas this week and with a ticket watch all these games. Our fan base would pack it, and then imagine that you could win a million dollars.

00:29:14
Speaker 5: Actually, I think you get a million for playing. I think everyone that's in it gets a million dollars to their anile.

00:29:19
Speaker 4: Is that right?

00:29:20
Speaker 10: Sponsors a million dollars?

00:29:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, last year I think it was to win a million. I think this year, if you're in it, you get a million.

00:29:27
Speaker 4: But then you cases we make five million from this.

00:29:30
Speaker 5: The team we play Wednesday night is ranked three hundred and twenty first in can pump.

00:29:35
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we'll wine.

00:29:37
Speaker 3: Imagine you're the last got on the bench, though, and you get a million for being on the team that plays in that turn.

00:29:41
Speaker 4: I don't think they all get a million. I don't think every team gets a million.

00:29:45
Speaker 7: Oh, I thought you meant per player.

00:29:47
Speaker 4: Oh a million? My goodness, I didn't know how much money they had to throw around.

00:29:52
Speaker 5: ESPN story this day says each team is guaranteed at least a one million dollar payout, a significant sum for the new climate of college sports.

00:29:58
Speaker 3: Even then, though, you divide that up, Oh yeah, twelve, thirteen, fourteen different ways.

00:30:03
Speaker 10: You know, the top recruits are watching this tournament. They're gonna watch these teams Man T.

00:30:07
Speaker 4: And T and True TV today are gonna have these games. I mean, it's just banger after banger. Now, what's weird? Though, what's interesting when you're watching it today and tomorrow? Each team only plays two games, But how do they decide who goes to the finals. It's you want to know the answer, it's the two teams that win both games by the largest margins.

00:30:30
Speaker 10: So they encourage it.

00:30:30
Speaker 4: So you're not even gonna happen to just have an incentive to win, Shannon, you have an incentive to beat the crap out of.

00:30:37
Speaker 7: The Actually love this. I love it. Don't put in the bench.

00:30:41
Speaker 4: No, the bitch ain't playing.

00:30:42
Speaker 7: No, you keep your starters until the very end.

00:30:44
Speaker 4: The bench is not playing. So they'll have the top two teams will play, then third and four, fifth and six. That's how they'll decide who plays is But in order to make the finals, you're gonna have to go to and oh, but you're gonna have to win by a lot.

00:31:00
Speaker 7: I love it. Just keeping keep shooting three fifty.

00:31:03
Speaker 4: So when you're watching these games, it's gonna be fascinating because teams are not gonna stop at any point during the game.

00:31:11
Speaker 2: Yeah that three where you got to know, rest your starters to getting ready for the next game.

00:31:15
Speaker 10: Nope, leave them out there the whole time.

00:31:17
Speaker 4: So that'll be great to see who really runs up the score to try to win. Junior, go ahead, Junior.

00:31:24
Speaker 6: Hey fellas, let me sell this stoops tobacco up for you. I've been a supporter for a good long time. I've been fans Clayburn. I've seen a lot of bad UK football. I'm glad these young folks don't haven't lived through what I've lived through. But let me describe it to you like this. Let's say you're in a loveless marriage, you got a bloated mortgage, you got a couple of kids still in school, you can't afford to get divorced. You go to the mailbox and you find out you want to all expenses paid, weekend in Gatlinburg.

00:31:56
Speaker 4: And dollars keep going, keep going.

00:32:03
Speaker 6: Well, it's just that that's what it is. You're trapped, you can't get out, and you just like, how could my bag get any worse? Just a trip to the mailbox?

00:32:11
Speaker 7: At least you going to Gallenburg.

00:32:13
Speaker 4: I'm kind of with you on Gallenburg, sir, and I know I see it. Okay, what you said was funny, But there is a sense, though, I think what you're saying, Junior, sometimes you do get in a situation where you are trapped and you cannot get out and there's no good solution. That's kind of what you're saying. Can't afford the divorce.

00:32:33
Speaker 6: You can't afford the divorce. Yeah, I gotta stay.

00:32:39
Speaker 4: I appreciate the college. That sounded like something like.

00:32:43
Speaker 10: Keep dealing with that.

00:32:45
Speaker 4: It sounded like it came from heart. Didn't sound like that was a theoretical I mean, he's not, but he's not wrong. There is a sense that there. I don't really think there is any good solution, which goes to Drew's point of about, well, how did we get here? Corey?

00:32:59
Speaker 14: Go ahead, Corey, Hey, guys, how's it going? I just catch here and there on the show because I'm working. So I apologize if I asked a questions that's.

00:33:10
Speaker 6: Already been asked for.

00:33:11
Speaker 14: But a couple of perspectives that I would like y'all's opinion on is there's a lot of components to a successful football team or any team that matter, and the head coach is, arguably, like not one of the top components. Like one of the top components is probably your recruiters, which we lost one of our great recruiters Louisville.

00:33:37
Speaker 6: This past year.

00:33:38
Speaker 14: Maybe he saw the writing on the wall. I don't know. But instead of paying stoops to get out of the position, why don't we kind of double down, Why don't you spend money that money on?

00:33:53
Speaker 4: I would disagree with your additional promise, though, if the head coach is like a CEO, and if the recruit aren't good, that's on you. If the OC is not good, that's on you. If the defensive coordinator's good not good, that's on you. You're the CEO. So now sometimes you might say, my offensive coordinator is not doing a good job, I'm gonna bringing another one. He's done that a number of times, like, but ultimately, at the end of the day, the buck does stop at the head coach.

00:34:23
Speaker 14: I definitely agree. Of course, when play you know it gets down in the wire. I mean, look at Texas. I mean we had you know right there where we could have scored. And you know that's on the head coach to make that decision on what place call and how to how to store in that position. I mean for sure, But there's other components that you could add to to the team, like instead of spending a bunch of money to get the coach out, like could we spend money elsewhere?

00:34:51
Speaker 4: But we program a lot of money. We spend a lot of money, and I appreciate the call. We have a huge assistant coach budget and we spent a lot of money on players this year and it didn't work well. It worked, but it didn't work the way we wanted it to. Blue Tag Savings are here all month long at Don Franklin over six thousand new and certified pre owned vehicles. John Franklin's got quality installed, peace of mind, mile after mile. It's Don Franklin Audo. We're gonna be at one Wednesday in Columbia, Kentucky for the pre Thanksgiving show Don Franklin Auto dot Com. Blue Collar Dollars meet off road grit at the Franklin Truck League only at Don Franklin Auto Driven by Family. We'll take a break, be right back. Final segment, Chazar Welcome back Tekee Sports Radio eight five nine two twenty two eighty seven. All right, so let's go from Draft Kings. Here, I go to Draft Kings. Use my promo code. Ryan, you killed the parlay again.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: And that was the one time I made a pick. I thought this is gonna be the best pick of the parlay and kill.

00:35:52
Speaker 4: Shannon got West, Shannon got his, Shannon got Duke, Drew got Western Kentucky, I got Florida, And not only did we win those, they weren't close like we like, sit back and chill right. Western could have won that game. Western could have won that game. But who Shannon was not close the other way.

00:36:08
Speaker 7: I hate to point people out, but Ryan.

00:36:10
Speaker 4: Also, Ryan is banned UH from for at least a few weeks because he has cost him.

00:36:16
Speaker 10: I had one three in a row, though I think we would have.

00:36:19
Speaker 4: Hit like five of these during the year if not for Ryan.

00:36:22
Speaker 5: I've lost one one this season, lost two.

00:36:26
Speaker 4: Maybe it's really and it's mostly been Ryan, to be honest, Yeah, it's it's mostly been Ryan. All right. So for DraftKings, let's do our pick today. Gonzaga is a four and a half point favorite against Alabama. We will play both of these teams in the next six weeks. Who you got?

00:36:41
Speaker 10: I love this game because I think Gonzaga is really, really good.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: I saw a little bit of Alabama lose to Purdue, so I'm taking Gonzaga to cover.

00:36:50
Speaker 4: You give me Bama getting four and a half against anybody in the country, I'm probably gonna take Bama if for giving me those points, I got Bama. What about you, Drew?

00:36:57
Speaker 5: I'm also taking Bama at four and a half, even though I think Gonzach is a little better. But of all the games today, I'm most excited about this one.

00:37:04
Speaker 10: This is gonna be fun.

00:37:05
Speaker 4: Neither of these teams is going to end up making the finals of the tournament because they won't be able to beat the other one by enough points. But it's still a good game for him. What do you got?

00:37:12
Speaker 7: You're taking Alabama money line to win?

00:37:14
Speaker 13: Yeah?

00:37:14
Speaker 4: I like that. I think Alabama Alabama. Give them credit. Man, They're playing a heck of a schedule. They've played Saint John's, Purdue, did they play Illinois Illinois?

00:37:24
Speaker 12: Yeah?

00:37:24
Speaker 4: Now they're playing Kenzak. I mean that's a heck of a schedule to start the season.

00:37:28
Speaker 5: They've played three top fifteen teams in their four games.

00:37:31
Speaker 10: They got the best player in the conference too.

00:37:33
Speaker 4: Yeah, will go ahead, Will.

00:37:36
Speaker 9: Yes.

00:37:37
Speaker 15: I am neither confused nor fickle. I mean, if Stoops wins the U of L game, it's gonna be hard. But there's absolutely no optimism momentum going into next year. Recruiting is in the tank right now. And if I'm Cutter Bowli's dad, I'm pulling a Tim Couch dad, and I'm Colin Barnhart and said we will not be back next.

00:38:01
Speaker 4: Year unless you make a change.

00:38:04
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I mean, because you're not going to get any players. Recruitings in the tank. I mean, I realize where we're at. We beat some awful teams, even though it was Auburn and Florida. I don't want to take away from that, but getting our brains beat out by midle level SEC teams we were above, you know a few years ago, it was just maddening.

00:38:25
Speaker 4: All I appreciate it, that's uh, you know, glad you stated that opinion. The there was a report that came out. I think it was just Rowan said that their goal in recruiting is to get JUCO players that are a little less expensive, which wasn't the most optimistic thing in the world. Jason, go ahead, Jason.

00:38:47
Speaker 16: First time, long time now. I've listened to you since back in the days thanks of the closet. Anyway, there's there's a point that there's a point to all this that hasn't been made. And I don't want to be the voice of reason. I've listened to you for years, and I know you're a very reasonable guy, but Mark Stoops has not forgot how to coach football. And if you look back at why they were successful, there's one glaring reason, and it was recruit and developed. But when did that stop? That stopped in the NIL era and me and Larry Vald had a long, candid discussion and ended up agreeing with each other extremely strongly, and he posted it out on your Sports Edge here a couple of weeks ago what we talked about, and that's the fact that if you'll go back in twenty one, miss Barnhart, who I really like. He's a good guy, but he made a terrible mistake. He was the committee chair for the selection committee. He took a wait and see approach on this nil and Mark Stoops bit his tongue, held his breath, did.

00:39:50
Speaker 6: Not throw him under the bus.

00:39:51
Speaker 16: And nobody's talking about this, and it's so frustrating. I was at Vandy and I walked away dejected for the performance on the field. But when you look at the money. In twenty twenty three, Matt, we were the twelfth ranked SEC school in NIL funding. The NCAA gave University of Kentucky in twenty twenty three fifty three million dollars. We spent ten million dollars on our football team. We beat this year two schools ahead of us in NIL and we lost to one behind us in Vandy's private They didn't report. This is be looney that Stoops does not know how to coach. Why don't we get to the crux of it. It takes money. And to the last caller, I know Cutter's family personally cool, Coach Scott loves UK. Cutter loves UK, and I hate to bust your all's bubble, but Cutter is here because of coach Toops. If Coach Stoops is sent packing, I think you all are going to be very surprised that the decision that Cutter makes. It's not he's staying if he goes, it's he's leaving. If he goes, they love him.

00:41:01
Speaker 4: I gotta cut you off. That was a good call. That's a good call. I don't. I've got to cut you off because the show's going to have But but you know, those are two good back to back calls. And I would say Mitch screwed up by being two to three years behind on inn Aisle, and that's on him. And so part of my thing is, let me let me read you this. This was a comment that came in a few minutes ago on the postgame show. You said in ailes the second most important change to college sports besides integration. I do believe that. So is it cost effective to keep Stoops and Mitch? Are they the group to lead us into the next twenty five years? That's the question though, And my answer is I don't think so, especially on the Mitch part and maybe on the Stoops as well. This is a new generation. What worked last time ain't gonna work going forward. It's the people who did radio when TV became important. It's the people who did newspapers when the blogs came important. You have to decide are you gonna embrace the new or are you gonna be stuck in the past. And we got stuck in the past two or three years behind, and we got behind. And that caller is right about that. Now, does that mean Stoops doesn't deserve criticism. I might disagree with him on that, but it is the case that some of what's happening right now were because we were slow on the Nile. I don't think there's any doubt that that's true. Great conversation, by the way, Ryan, from these folks today, callers right today, Great, well done. Tomorrow, I have to go to a funeral, so I will be here in Louisville, will be in Columbia on Wednesday. We'll see you later. It's KSR.