236 | Session Savvy Finale: Preserving the Classical CCPT Model

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr

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Brenna Hicks. Your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi, I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks, The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get a master class in child-centered,

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play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode. I am closing out the Session Savvy series.

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We have covered all kinds of things to be mindful of and careful of in the playroom

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so that we are savvy in our sessions

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and I want to kind of tie this up with a bow if you will.

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But before I dive into that couple of updates,

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first and foremost,

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thank you for your patience with the crazy podcast release schedule.

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Over the last couple of weeks,

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I pre-recorded podcasts.

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They were supposed to go out on Tuesdays and Thursdays like I promised

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and being in Australia and the 15 hours time difference and the schedule,

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it was just really difficult to navigate that from overseas.

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So thank you for

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seeing that things were a little wonky and just being ok with it,

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trusting that things were fine,

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even though I did not deliver on a Tuesday and Thursday schedule.

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The trip was absolutely amazing.

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And thank you to all of the Australians who made me feel so welcome

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and just made that an incredible trip for me and my family.

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So really grateful to be home. I got sick on the heels of it. You can probably hear it,

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but it was the most incredible trip. So thank you for letting me get away and,

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and not delivering as many episodes as normal.

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Speaking of podcast things though,

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I want to make you all aware, put it down in your calendar. It's a month away.

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We are doing a live podcast event on January 3rd

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at 2 p.m. Eastern.

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So it's a Friday.

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It'll be 2 p.m. Eastern, which will be 11 a.m. Pacific.

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So I'm hopeful that because it's around the lunch hour, give or take

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that even if you all are working, you will be able to hop on.

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We will put details in the show notes.

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It will be a Zoom where you can attend a podcast live all over the world.

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Anyone who wants to can do a live event as we do a podcast. So

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just wanted to make you aware of that,

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put it in your calendar so you can juggle your schedule

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and move clients and do whatever you need to do.

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I would love to have a ton of people on that live event call. So

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January 3rd at Two Eastern,

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we're going to do a live podcast event

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OK. So let's wrap up Session Savvy. We've been doing this for much of the fall

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I don't think there's any better way

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for us to kind of close this out

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than to

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read part of a seminal text. I know that was Summer School series,

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but I want to share a little bit from

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the foreward in Child-Centered Play Therapy in Van Fleet's book

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I,

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I think it's important to talk about the why for those

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of you that did not see pictures in the Collective,

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my

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Aussie coaching

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ladies got me a shirt that said

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team CCPT Aussie division. And then on the back it says hashtag the why matters, So

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thank you to my, my coaching ladies for giving me that shirt.

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The why matters always

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when we're talking through this whole series, Session Savvy, why,

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why have I spent so much time?

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Why have we

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listened to these week in and week out?

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Of course, because we want to deeply understand CCPT.

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But more than that,

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we want to preserve the classical model

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we have to be really intentional

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and really purposeful

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so that when we say things to children

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and when we are in play sessions,

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the things that are coming out of our mouth are not what I would call rogue.

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They're not off track, they're not without purpose.

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Everything that we do in session

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has a formulaic system if we follow and adhere

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to the CCPT model.

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So wrapping this up,

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the goal of this entire series was to make sure that we are adherent

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and that we don't deviate.

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And I hope that that has been helpful for you.

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I hope that it has given you food for thought and things that you can work on.

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But I don't say it as well as Louise Guerney. So I'm going to read

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her thoughts from the

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foreward in the Child-Centered Play therapy, Van Fleet book

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and actually really fun story

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for those of you that do not know. I

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did my phd dissertation on CPRT in an online format.

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The Guerneys are

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original, oh my gosh, they are the originators

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of the filial model

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and everything that we do in

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CPRT

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a trickle from the Guerney's work.

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And Jennifer Baggerly was at the conference,

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ended up sitting at a table with Louise Guerney

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and told Louise about my dissertation research.

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Jennifer Baggerly texted me a photo of the two of them

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and shared with me what Louise wanted me to know.

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And basically the short version of that is that she

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was so proud of me and she was so excited that

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we were

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innovating

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CPRT in new ways

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and that she just was so excited to hear about

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my research and I literally cried reading that text.

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I've never met her directly, but

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we've had a text conversation through Jennifer Baggerley's phone

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Bernard and Louise Guerney were pioneers and they were

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the people who saw a vision for what coaching parents could look like

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and what training parents could look like using CCPT principles.

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And so she was asked to write the foreword in this book.

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And for reference, this book is 15 years old.

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So that 15 years ago,

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there was discussion around adherence to the model

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and there was concern

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about changing what we're doing

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and not

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having purpose in our skills.

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So as we wrap up this Session Savvy series, I want you to be thinking about

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why we talk through all of these things and it always comes back to

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pure classic CCPT

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and making sure that it doesn't get diluted and that it doesn't get

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taken apart and put back together differently.

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The model works and we need to be

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really intentional about making sure that we adhere.

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So let me share parts of the foreward from Louise Gurney

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As a passionate follower of Virginia Axline's

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Rogerian Method of play therapy.

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I cannot read any type of publication on child-centered play therapy

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without experiencing a feeling of caution

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until I am convinced that the author has a full grasp of CCPT

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and has maintained its integrity

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as the authors of the present volume state quote.

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CCPT is a more complex intervention than many people realize

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end quote.

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Therefore, it is not uncommon for case studies in particular

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to be labeled in the literature as examples of CCPT

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when they actually bear little resemblance to the real thing.

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Those who have not had the opportunity to be fully educated in CCPT

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often personalize or otherwise modify it

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to make what they believe are clinical improvements

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with this book as a guide. No such errors should be made.

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I had no trepidation about what I might find under the CCPT label

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when I agreed to write this foreward.

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I am delighted to see

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how the authors have disseminated this model.

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And this book will extend knowledge and experience to many more who wish to learn it.

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For both beginners in the method and seasoned CCPT therapists.

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All the content is useful either for refreshing memories on basics

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or for expanding knowledge of additional applications and professional issues.

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Even when therapists have a good grasp of the basic principles

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and possess attitudes appropriate to the successful application of the method.

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There are technical dilemmas and nuances

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in relation to individual child therapeutic needs

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and responses that must be considered.

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So I think it's very clear even 15 years ago

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that the founders and pioneers in the field

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have had

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their fingers on the pulse of what CCPT

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had the danger of becoming.

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And I absolutely love the line.

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Those who have not had the opportunity to be fully educated in CCPT

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often personalize or otherwise modify it

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to make what they believe are clinical improvements.

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And that's not a criticism. It's not a dig, it's just a fact.

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And this is why this podcast exists. This is why this series

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has been such an important piece of this.

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This is why I've gone over curriculum from episode one.

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It's because

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I want to take a new medium which is podcasting.

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The, the greats in the field did not podcast

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and we now have new technology and new opportunities to disseminate CCPT

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and preserve it

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and make sure that it is classically upheld,

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classically understood

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and preserved.

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And that's why

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I love this foreward because

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Louise is talking about it 15 years ago.

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the more that we have

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fully adherent CCPTs all over the world

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at every generation,

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the more we know that it will never become

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a new version of what it once was.

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And I'll close with this.

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I did 15.5 or so hours of new content

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in Australia

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when I spoke

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and their theme was innovation.

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And you know, me, I like to rock boats and

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make things

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a little rocky.

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I was having a really hard time with this

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idea of innovation because I was speaking on CCPT

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and I was trying to resolve these two, what I perceive to be conflicting truths.

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CCPT is what it is and

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innovation is what it is. And I don't see a fusion,

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but I found a workaround

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that we innovate the way we deliver CCPT

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we don't innovate CCPT because here's why

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innovation

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is providing more value to something or making it more effective or productive.

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My

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cliff's notes definition of innovation.

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A nail

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has not changed

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in thousands of years.

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The first documented

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finding of a nail was 3000 BC.

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And if you look at a nail,

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it has remained largely unchanged for thousands of years. Why?

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Because there's nothing to innovate.

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It works.

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We can't make it better,

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we can't add more value,

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we can't

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do something to improve it.

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A nail works.

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Now, what has changed

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the way it's packaged,

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the way it's manufactured,

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the way that it's marketed

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there, there have been innovations but not about the nail itself.

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This is where we are with CCPT.

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We can innovate its delivery,

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we can innovate its evangelism,

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we can innovate our articulation,

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we can innovate our service around it,

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but CCPT

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is classically preserved and adhered to because it works

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and there's no innovation required and that's what

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Louise was talking about in this foreward.

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So let's be really intentional

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about staying true

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to what we know CCPT is meant to be

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and then work on innovation in all of the other facets of what we do.

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All right, I've missed y'all. I love you.

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We'll be back to more frequent podcasts this week. We'll talk again soon. Bye.

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Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr

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Brenna Hicks for more episodes and resources.

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Please go to www.playtherapypodcast.com.