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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: CC Sabbathia Hall of Famer World Series Champ with the Yankees back in nine. MLB's postseason continues this weekend the Divisional Series TBS, Fox Sports one, MLB Network airing pre and postgame coverage. Good to see you again. How old were you with your first playoff game?

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Speaker 3: I was twenty twenty years old my first playoff game pitched in. I just turned twenty one, I'm sorry. Pitched in the playoff game in two thousand and one against the Mariners, that team that had won when they won one hundred and fourteen games, So I pitched game three of that series.

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Speaker 2: What do you remember like being twenty one? How can that help you in a situation like that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it can help you by not knowing what you're walking into and not understanding, you know, the gravity or the magnitude of the games you're pitching. For me, you know, being a huge fan and sports fan my whole life, and understanding you know, what it meant to be an ace, you know, I'm throwing that up there with air quotations. Being twenty one years old, I wanted to go out and you know, have that postseason that everybody's like, oh my god, look at this guy. You know, he's the greatest pitcher. Jared Wright had just did that in ninety seven. You know, he was the young guy and took that team all the way to the World Series. So you know that that was kind of my thinking. I got into the game, and you know, I was a little nervous. I think I gave up three runs in the first inning. And I'm walking off the field and Robbie Alamar comes and he goes, hey, you know how you feeling. I'm like, you know, I'm good. I'll be fine, and he as we're walking back to the bench, he looked and he says, don't shake off en Ard. The rest of the game. En Rds was our catcher. He was like, whatever he puts down, just call the pitchers. So I, you know, didn't shake him off. Go six innings, give up three runs. The only three runs I gave up was in that first inning. And after the game they tell me that Robbie was calling the pitchers for second base. Robbie called the game from second base.

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Speaker 2: W what's it like When Ken Griffy Junior comes to the play.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't on that team. He wasn't on that that was. Yeah, so that was each Rose rookie year. That was uh, Mike Cameron, uh you know Brett Boone those guys. Uh So that was that. That was that first year he had just went to uh Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and each row had your number.

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Speaker 3: Each row hit me good. That he hit me good up until I figured out I had to move his feet. Once I figured out I had to move his feet, and I get him uncomfortable. Then I then at my later part of my career, I started having some success against each y.

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Speaker 2: Explain that moving your feet just.

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Speaker 3: Like getting him off his spot. You know, he was just he would be super comfortable in the box. And you know, for me, you know, I need to be be able to, you know, command the inside part of the play to a lefty and be able to throw my slot down on the way. At that time, when I was twenty one years old, I only threw like a big, looping curve ball. I didn't have a slider at that time, so I really had nothing to get him out with. And then accidentally, one time when I was in New York, they came into New York and I actually he threw one up and end like literally just got away and it swooped him, you know. And ever since then, I was like, oh, okay, all right, I figured it out. Now, So after that the matter, you know, I would throw one kind of clothes and then I would just go to work.

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Speaker 2: Cam Schlitter had eleven pitches of one hundred miles per hour or more. That seems to be the norm. Now I'm surprised when guys don't throw one hundred miles an hour. Where's this going?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the way he commanded it last night, you know, I mean he was just just filling it up, just strike after strike. I mean I sat down really close. I was, you know, right next to the Boston Red Sox, you know, on deck circle he was throwing BB's. I mean, it looked like he was throwing two hundred miles an hour and he's got an eighty four mile an hour slider, you know what I mean. So that difference in miles an hour is just such a huge you have to really pick one. As soon as you start picking one and guessing one, then you're laid on the heater and you know, he throws two of those, and it's oh two. So I mean the way. I mean, there's a lot of guys that can throw hard, right, but the way he commanded the baseball last night was very impressive.

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Speaker 2: I remember Mark Grace saying, I'll hit your fastball. I'm going to hit the fastball because I it's the breaking ball.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It always comes back to the breaking ball, you know, because he said, we see a hundred, if it's not moving, we'll hit it. But I don't know, like, is there a big difference between ninety six and one hundred.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I do think so. I mean honestly, I haven't stood in the box and face either one. But when I hear these guys talk, you know, I heard Julio Rodriguez the other day talking about his ideal fastball, like what was what would be the miles an hour? And you know, to me, when I was coming up, it would have been like, you know, I would think ninety two, ninety three, Like he's like, I needed ninety six mile hour fastball. So for him to even be thinking like ninety six is a perfect hitting speed is insane because, like I said, when I was coming up, or you know, during my time, there just wasn't guys that were able to do that consistently like it is now so that that I mean, that's the hitting speed, which is crazy, And like you said, where does it go? I have no idea. I mean, you got kids in high school right now, you know, top of one hundred and you know, just getting bigger, fashion or stronger. So. But but if you can't command it, if you can't throw strikes with it, there's really no point of you being able to throw that hard.

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Speaker 2: But if you're throwing that hard, is the philosophy going to continue to be throw as hard as you can for as long as you can, and then we bring in somebody else?

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Speaker 3: I think so, I think unless we kind of change the rules right or do something that can you know, help you know, starting pitching, you know, develop I mean even in the even in the lower stages. You go to some of these perfect Game tournaments or all this stuff. You know, I had a twenty two year old, I got a fifteen year old going through it now. I mean they're pitching that four inding clips, you know what I mean, where they go out in these tournaments and the four innings the best stuff that you have and then won't bring somebody else in So they're even being trained to not even be a starting pitcher, right like you gonna have to go five innings to get a win, and these, you know, the kids are coming up where they're they're not even qualifying to get wins. So I think something has to change where you know, we get back to you know, starting pitching, because that's what kind of like when it was Dave Stewart against you know, whoever else, that's when you want to watch the game, when it's Roger Clemens against you know, Pedro, that's the top billing rights. That's how you get god people to watch baseball throughout the season when you can have these starting pitching matchups.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to CC Sabathia, the Hall of Famer joining us on behalf of MLB's postseason coverage. How do you explain Clayton Krushawn's curveball?

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean it's it's uh, it's really twelve to six and it's uh, you know, it's one of those things we were talking about the other day, you know, really just kind of him and Barry Zito have had that, you know, left handed curveball where you can throw a fastball at the top of the zone and then throw that curveball off of that thing, and you know, hitters really have no chance. I mean, and even this year, I feel like, you know, he's pitching so free and understanding and knowing that you know, no matter what happens, his legacy is cemented right Like he's going to the Hall of Fame. He's got three thousand strikeouts World Series. He's one of the best pictures of the generation. So I feel like this year he's been pitching more free and you've seen you've been seeing great results. So I'm excited hopefully for him to get a start in this playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Anybody similar to show Hey o Tani, if you were recall facing somebody that was similar to Otani, No.

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Speaker 3: I mean no, I don't think there's anything. I mean, I guess I guess you. You can say Barry, but you know Barry can't go out and throw seven and he shut up baseball.

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Speaker 2: Let me take away the pitch. Let me let me take away the pitching part of it. I'm talking about facing a batter.

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Speaker 3: The best I mean left handed. No, there there is nobody left handed that I feel like I faced that that was that good. I mean, yeah, I've been I didn't face Bonds a lot I was in. I was in the American League. I faced him one time in an All Star Game, so you know, I didn't get a chance to face him that much. But you know, like for me, it would have to be like a poo Hoos or you know, Manny Ramirez or you know Miguel Cabrera. Those were all is the hardest guy for me to get out, and I would have to imagine show hates the same way. I mean, you know, we show up to l A and you know, he's four pitches in, he hits one hundred mile hour fastball on the INSI part of the play like out. I mean, he's the way he shows up on you know, on Q. You know, like we go to Tokyo DOMI it's a home run in Tokyo Dome in Japan. Like the way that he can show up in a baseball game and impact a game is incredible.

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Speaker 2: But how defeating is it the first guy you face hits a home run?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean when you're starting. And I think that was always my problem. I never felt like I was out of it, Like even when they were coming to get the ball, I could be seven giving up seven runs in the third inning, and I'm like, nah, like I'm right there, I'm telling Piztures away from getness thing, right. So for me, it was always like no, no, no, I could get this thing on track. So I never felt defeated. I think that was always my problem.

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Speaker 2: When did you learn or how did you learn about the rivalry with the Red Sox Yankees when you know you were Cleveland and Milwaukee then you go to New York. Well, are you taught to hate the Red Sons?

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's just something that happens. And I think you know, throughout the Al East, I think with the Yankees, it can be different teams at different times, right, Like there's always the between the Yankees and the Red Sox. And you understand that, you know that when you came over, Like I remember, you know that first year in O nine, it was the end of April. It was the first time we were going into Boston and it felt like, you know, they were talking about like it was a playoff series. We had just signed all these guys, myself, switch Tech, Shara aj Burnett, and you know the way that they talked about that series. You know, you would have thought that it was you know, October, so that was kind of my introduction to it. But you know, there there could be points. You know, we had fights with Toronto. There was times in you know when Baltimore was the best in the division. I just feel like even Tampa. I feel like, whoever feels like they're the best team in that division feels like they have to go through New York. And that's kind of, you know, the way it's always been. So, you know, there's always different times at different points where we can have in the Al East, we can have Rivruby anybody, but we understand how big the one in Boston is, especially when you're playing in playoff games against them.

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Speaker 2: Your assistant to the commit he was on recently talking about the automated balls and strikes. You had a couple of bad calls in the Padres Cubs game last night. Uh foroegone conclusion that we're going to have automated balls and strikes full time soon, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know if it's I don't know full time. You know, I know that challenge system, you know, with a help last night, right, you know, just having a chance to you know, I think what you know, Rob always says, is the catch the big mess? And you know that was a pretty big mess in that game last night where you know Padres has some momentum, Jackson Merriw goes deep, you get a good at back by Xander and then he gets caught out on the pitch that's out of the strike zone. You know, for me understanding these guys today, this generation of players, they know the strike zone. They know balls and strikes so well. And I feel like when you know, when I played, there was only a few guys that you could really count on the no ball and strikes. Like Brett Gardner was a guy that I could always he would play center field or he'd be out there and I could always look at him and be like, you think that was a ball over strike and I could trust his opinion. But now every one of these guys, if you watching the game, and we know that box on the screen is not very accurate, but if the ball's not in that box, will run that box. Those guys know what's the ball over strike and to be able to just to fix that that big miss and those type of games or in any game at the end of the game, you know, or at any point I think it'd be great.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I love that only the hitter, the catcher and the pitcher can call it, you know, and it has to be entertaining us. And you know, I just think about myself. You know, it'd be first pitch of the game and I'll be tapping on top of my helmer soap in my hat. So you know, they got to put some rules in place when you can and can't and who can and can't. So but I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Always great to catch up with you. Thanks, talk to you later. Thank you, Ceci, Yes, sir. MLB postseason continues this weekend. You got the Divisional Series TBS, Fox, Fox Sports one MLB network airing pre and postgame Charlie Sheen fourteen years later.

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Speaker 2: It was almost fourteen years ago that we had Charlie Sheen on and he was going through some negotiations with Two and a half Men and CBS and he had gotten suspended and I saw him doing it in an interview. He was he was giving a lecture or tips. He was taking batting practice with the UCLA baseball team, and his words of advice were don't do crack during chocolate milk. And I said, PAULI reach out and see if Charlie wants to join us. And really that's all we were going to do. We were just going to talk about that. But I want to play a portion of that conversation that I had with him. And this was on not being allowed on the lot at CBS for two and a half men. How'd you lose your voice?

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Speaker 6: Well, I went back to work and yeah, I was banging on the day's door. Allow, where's her money, and I don't know what happened. I guess they're closed.

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Speaker 2: They won't let you back in.

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Speaker 6: I died. Nobody told me. Nobody told me. I just figured out I was supposed to go back to work because I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're on hiatus.

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Speaker 6: No, we're unforcedatus. They said you get ready, we'll get ready, and I got ready and went back. Nobody's there, don't I'll tell you that. Nobody's there.

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Speaker 2: Well, wait, how do they tell you? You're the star of two and a half man? So do you who decides when you get to you can't do one and a half man?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 6: And that was clearly revealed when they had to bring me back this year. You know, I don't know what's tell you, man. I'm just I'm here and I'm ready. They're not maring it.

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Speaker 2: You know, when are you scheduled to start shooting again?

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Speaker 6: I believe August of twenty fourteen at this space.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's supposed to be like the twenty eighth or or the twenty ninth. That's what it is, the twenty ninth and a non leap year, all right.

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Speaker 2: So that was almost fourteen years ago, and then all of a sudden it blew up. After that, Charlie called us, I think three consecutive days, and he was clearly on something. We didn't know exactly what was going on. He dropped the winning and Tiger Blood, and then he came out with a New York Times bestselling book, The Book of Sheen and flicks documentary aka Charlie Sheen. So I said to Fritzie had time to have Charlie back on. So I'm thinking now we talked to him a couple of days ago, and I thought he would give credit to us in the book or the documentary for the interviews that started all of this, everything that happened to him, the falling out, getting fired, whatever he was smoking, whoever he was with, everything that he went through. So my first question was, what role did this show play in all of this mess?

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Speaker 7: What role I mean this show that we're on right now.

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Speaker 2: My show twenty eleven When you called.

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Speaker 7: Oh interesting, interesting, I don't have any specific recollection of any fallout or any you know, positive response from it. Did it did it go sideways on your show?

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Speaker 4: It did?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: And were you personally put in in the line of fire or in any danger?

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Speaker 2: No, but you called in and then you said, hey, ask Dan where I am. And you were on the outside of uh CBS Chuck Lorie, and then you were It exploded after that because you're basically saying, uh f this, I'm off the show, I'm out of here, and then it went crazy.

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Speaker 4: Wow, So is it?

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Speaker 7: Was it like I announced it with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Wait, you don't remember any of this.

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a do you have a clip you can play?

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Speaker 2: I can I can send you a clip to remind you. But that's that's when you you gave us winning and you gave us tiger blood. All of a sudden, the networks are calling me. They want me to go on these shows to talk about you and.

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Speaker 7: To ask like why I reached out to you, to send like my final message, or or to light the lamp.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't get you, so they thought that. I said, I don't know, Charlie, but they wanted me to speak on your behalf. I sent you a text and said, hey, all of these network shows and entertainment tonight they want me on. I'm not going to go on and speak on your behalf, just so you know. And then you, I think, said f f them, and then I think you did winning, and then that was it.

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Speaker 7: So wow wow, Okay, yeah, I'm sorry that I that was scrubbed from my.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was going to be something in the book about it. I thought, okay, because they you know, there is part of me that felt bad about that. Oh, because you were on three times in a row, and I I remember having a conversation with my wife. I said, I feel like I'm taking advantage of Charlie because you were clearly a wounded animal.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, but I think I would look at that more through the lens of that that you that I saw you as a as a as a safe outlet, that I saw you as a as a as a confidant. I could I could, you know, I could reach out to and and you know, deliver some type of message that I couldn't elsewhere, regardless of how insane that message was at the time.

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Speaker 2: You know, but you were taking batting practice at U C l A. And I saw this, and you had a message to the team, stay off crack and drink chocolate milk. And so I said to Fritzy, and that is great advice.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I said that Fritzy, see if we can get Charlie on it. And then that's when it exploded. But it started just because you were taking VP and you were given given a message to U c L A baseball.

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Speaker 7: Yeah no, that was I guess one of just the last traces of of of you know, a healthy, uh, you know, a wholesome moment. It's interesting because Tony Todd I think you know Tony right, he's in He's been in my life for a thousand years. Lovely man. He says that in that specific group that I delivered because the coach said, hey, go talk to the guys. I think they'd lost the final game and we're a little bit down. I think it was the same core team members and he said, go see if you can give him a pep talk. And so I was like trying to come up with something on like the fifty foot walk, and that's when I said, don't smoke crack and you know, drink chocolate milk. It turned into a T shirt.

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Speaker 4: But he says.

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Speaker 7: That that Trevor Bauer was was in that in that grouping that that yeah, that the members that I you know, shared that that that wisdom with and there was a couple others that that are now playing profession. So that's that's pretty interesting. So clearly they none of them smoked crack and but obviously kept drinking chocolate milk.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Tougher to write the book or do the documentary.

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Speaker 7: Write the book, Write the book, for sure, Yeah, because the doc was a it was a it was difficult. The doc required uh so much research and archival and just you know, building the visual representation from all the you know, all the materials for the whole backstory and the and the journey.

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Speaker 4: So but the.

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Speaker 7: Book was was me alone, staring at a screen night after night.

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Speaker 2: You know, do you ever get mad at yourself while you're writing the book?

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Speaker 7: Interesting question, madam myself for you mean, like on a on a literary level, or for like writing for the things that happened that I'm now that I'm now sharing. Yeah. There were moments, Yeah, there there there were moments. It was exciting to to tell the stories you know, you know, for the first time how they actually happened. But it was also you know, there there was moment, there were moments of reflection where I was like, wow, man, how did it? How did it go there? How did it? You know?

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Speaker 4: Where was uh where.

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Speaker 7: Was I don't want to say, like, you know, where was someone to step in and and and you know, tap me on the shoulder and pulled the train back into the station. There were a few moments where that that could have happened, and I but I don't know if I would have.

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Speaker 4: Been receptive to it, you know. But yeah, no, the some.

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Speaker 7: Of the anger did come out of you know, telling these stories in detail as they occurred. But still like it didn't. This could have been a three page chapter and not twenty five to one.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Is that your home where you are right now?

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Speaker 6: Correct?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any of your memorability? I remember you saying you you knew you had too much memorabilia when you had a Ted Williams away Jersey or something in your underwear drawer.

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Speaker 7: It was a forty one road Jersey.

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 7: How about that? And back then I think they had like one you know home yeah and one road Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it it was right next to my underwear drawer. It Uh, there wasn't a case built yet for it. I'd run out of wall and hallway space, you know, but I knew in that moment, yeah I have I have I've arrived at a place of hoarding, and that's not that's that's that's not good. That helps no one.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any of that memorabilia around?

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Speaker 7: I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 4: You sold it base I did.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Do you remember Josh Evans, Josh Leland Evans from Leland's Big Aunty. Yeah, yeah, he sadly passed away like four or five years ago, and but he he put together the Tarlishene auction, but it didn't include the Ruth contract and the Ruth's ring. I think that was done separate of that, you know, or from that.

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Speaker 2: Any part of you ever wish you weren't an actor or hadn't become an actor.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's been there. There's been moments where I've had those feelings. I've had those thoughts and just tried to imagine what any of it would have looked like without.

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Speaker 2: That, because it kind of gave you a whole pass. You were really good at your craft. But because of that then opened doors and windows and you know everything.

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Speaker 7: But oh yeah, no, it was it was, it was, it was you know all access, yeah, backstage and then some but it yeah, but it's I think, you know, one of the central themes of the book is that it's all about choices, you know, and it's like, I'll be out in the world and people will say, you know, they'll see like a lot of attention in photos and autographs stuff like that, and they'll say, does this ever bother you? And I said, well, you know, if I, if I don't want to be bothered, the solution to that is don't leave your house, right and then I and then the other side of that is, you know that you worry about the day they stopped coming up, right, So just sort of on on the on on the choices front. You know, all access is an amazing place to wind up, but it just then it's it's on the person to then navigate the stuff to embrace and the stuff to not do that with, you know. And I sort of went for all of it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Was there an actor who outpartied you.

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Speaker 7: That's still alive, Well.

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Speaker 2: They hopefully they're not dead because of out partying you, but right, right right, like a musician or an actor who outpartied.

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Speaker 7: You, I think there would there would more likely be a rock star. You mean that. I actually saw that with my own eyes. We partied together and I had to you tabbed it out. I called it a night, and he kept going. You know, there was actually one guy. There was one guy, and it's just it's sucks because you know, he ultimately got clean and then died in a freaking car crash outside of Vegas. And that was Sam Kennison. Sam would you couldn't. I couldn't keep up with him, you know. It was Yeah, there were nights when I was like, all right, buddy, thank you, this is amazing. These last four days have been amazing. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go sleep for about seventy hours, and he'd still be going, you know.

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Speaker 2: Is Charlie Sheen The New York Times best selling book A Book of Sheen, Netflix documentary aka Charlie Sheen are both out. Now, give me the movie role that kind of represents you who you really are.

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Speaker 7: In a film that I was in or somebody else's movie that you were in.

00:27:24
Speaker 2: Like, what role did you not really have to play a role?

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Speaker 7: I think the the closest example would be Two and a Half Men. I know you said film, yeah, but I think that's the one that really borrowed from just a lot of it borrowed from the fun stuff, didn't borrow from the dangerous crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, how do you apologize when? Or do you or can you apologize?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is not trying to be cute, but hopefully and and most of the time in person, in person, and and it's it's funny. I was just talking to a buddy of mine about this just the other day that, uh, and I told them that we can't insist we we can't determine other people's timelines for them to come to a place, uh, to to be receptive, to be open to that to that message, you know. But it's it's there's still people, there's still folks out there that I need to have a sit down with, you know, or just at least get on the phone or you know, one of these. But for the most part, the people in my life who matter the most. That that's that that that that's already taken place, and it's an ongoing process.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: But even in the documentary, your brother talks fondly about you. The dad stuff is heartbreaking because your your dad, he loved you, but he couldn't he couldn't get you. And uh, that that's kind of what hit me pretty hard there is. You're right there in front of him and he can't really do anything about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

00:29:20
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was one of the one of the one of the moments for me watching it. I I think, I say in the doc I can't imagine being my dad. Yeah, you know, and then you know, people are asking, well, why wasn't he in it?

00:29:38
Speaker 6: Right?

00:29:38
Speaker 7: And he watched the rough cut of the first episode and he was over the moon about it and super supportive, and he was, yeah, he's honored and flattered, you know how we included him. And he said, look, I'm I'm already in it. I don't I don't need to, you know, give it. You know Today's commentary on all that stuff. It's it's it's better telling the story like that, you know.

00:30:03
Speaker 2: More likely to do a sequel to Major League or Wall Street major.

00:30:09
Speaker 7: League major League.

00:30:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:30:11
Speaker 7: In fact, it's interesting not to not to get out over my skis with this, but there has been a dialogue about it as as as.

00:30:21
Speaker 2: You resound a long time.

00:30:24
Speaker 7: That's true, that's true. Yeah, it was.

00:30:27
Speaker 2: So you got a script in the making here or an idea for no.

00:30:32
Speaker 7: No, but there's there's there's a new there's a company involved. That is that is very interested that I'm already in business with with the docs, and that's that that could deliver something I think the fans have been waiting for for a long time. And and don't worry, I'm not going to be a player. I would show up in the in the capacity of coach or manager or or you know, a pitching coach or something. But now it's interesting, this was just discussed yesterday.

00:31:01
Speaker 2: Do you still throw? Do you still take batting practice? You do any of that?

00:31:06
Speaker 7: Got a kind of a I gotta I got a bad shoulder I'm dealing with. There's a thing that Tony Todd and I do on our birthday, his and mine every year where we.

00:31:15
Speaker 4: We throw.

00:31:17
Speaker 7: Without dropping a single toss, we throw the amount of tosses that equals our age. So it's been this, this thing, and we hoped one day, you know, count to one hundred.

00:31:33
Speaker 2: You're lucky to have Tony in your life, I am, I am.

00:31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:31:37
Speaker 2: It probably kept you alive a few times.

00:31:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, that when he was just always knowing that he was you know, either right down the hall or right at the next table, or at the table, or or just you know along for that part of the journey. No, it was, uh, it was, it was.

00:31:53
Speaker 4: It was.

00:31:54
Speaker 7: It was a lovely, uh security blanket. Now I'm going to reduce him to that because he was was in those moments so much more than that. But it was, it was, it was, it was a comforting energy.

00:32:08
Speaker 2: Was great to talk to you again. Good luck with the book, book and stay happy.

00:32:15
Speaker 7: That's great advice and I'm going to follow it.

00:32:18
Speaker 2: And once again, don't do crack and drink chocolate milk.

00:32:23
Speaker 7: Noted noted and you have my word.

00:32:27
Speaker 2: Thank you, Charlie.

00:32:28
Speaker 7: Right, I thanks that. I appreciate it very well.

00:32:31
Speaker 2: The book is the book is Sheen? And is Netflix documentary aka Charlie Sheen. Both are out now. Wow, fourteen years ago and he had no recollection of it. But he looked good, look refreshed and hopefully he can get some jobs start acting again. What a wild ride. Wow.

00:32:55
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00:33:07
Speaker 2: NFL Network analyst Kurt Warner joining is so on the program. Would you have started? Dylan Gabriel Overseas against Minnesota for his debut.

00:33:19
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that would have been the route that I went. I understand why, understand where they're at. I understand it's the NFL, so there's not any easy game, so to speak. But but yeah, that's a lot of things going on along with playing against the Brian Flores defense that's going to throw a lot of looks at you that. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be an easy one for if for Dylan Gabriel. But Minnesota obviously didn't play great last week either, so maybe you look at this as an opportunity to get a win and get on track.

00:33:49
Speaker 2: What advice would you give Dylan Gabriel.

00:33:52
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is just realize that you don't have to do it all on your own. I think when the spotlight is on you and you get put into that position, and the first thing to do is to say, Okay, I got approve to everybody why I'm starting now, and I got to go out and make all of these plays. And you know, when I took over in ninety nine, I looked around and said, okay, I got a lot of playmakers around me. I don't have to do this all by myself allowed them to help you along the way. It's okay to punt every once in a while because you've got a great defense that can help you out, and so not feeling like that spotlight is on you and you have to prove to everybody why you're the starter right now.

00:34:28
Speaker 2: How do you teach a young quarterback to get rid of the ball?

00:34:33
Speaker 4: I think getting rid of the ball is understanding what you're seeing, you know, a comfort level with the plays that you're running. To me, it's always about if you know where your eyes should be to start the process. That's the first step in being able to get the ball out, knowing what you're doing and getting through your progressions. And you know, sometimes with young guys, and again against the Brian Flores defense, they're going to give you a lots of things to look at. They're going to get guys up at the line of scrimmage, are going to have guys running out into his own coverage, so they're going to make that harder. But understanding your playbook so well that hey, and this kind of look, this is where my eyes need to start, and that speeds up the process. So that would be what I was would always be focusing on with the young quarterback.

00:35:15
Speaker 2: What was your thought when the Rams were going to go on fourth down in overtime and go for the win as supposed to go for the time.

00:35:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't mind the decision at all. You're at home, you want to get one against division rival. Was surprised, I think, like a lot of people, with the play call, you know, I just you know, talked earlier in the week about how the Rams are so good, especially getting close to the red zone with their naked bootleg you know, play action game at your staffords so good at it, they're creative with it that that's where I thought they would go to give more options to Matthew Stafford instead of just running it right up the gun. So I more disappointed, I think with the play call than I was the decision to go for it on fourth down, because I fully understand why you want to win that game, especially with San Francisco being as beat up as they were. You didn't want to come out of that thing saying, oh man, we you know, we lost or even we tied that team. Unfortunately it worked out that way. But I think they're probably reallying a little bit today. Because everybody going in they're like, oh my gosh, it's going to be a walking the park for the Rams. And you know, Mac Jones played great and the team showed up and had a great win.

00:36:21
Speaker 2: Give me the most must win game of the weekend for you.

00:36:25
Speaker 4: For me, it's going to be Texan Ravens. Both teams I think I hopes for both teams, you know, expected to win their division, both sitting at one in three right now, and neither one playing very good football. I know Texan has got to win last week, but you know that was against you know, a Tennessee team that hasn't won yet. So c J. Stroud doesn't look the same to me. That their offense doesn't look good to me. And then on the other side, I think we know all the issues and then the possibility of not having their star quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I think that is a must win for both of these teams with you know where that division is going right now.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: But explain to me what's going on with CJ. Stround.

00:37:05
Speaker 4: I wish I could. You know, when he was a rookie, I had him in my top five quarterbacks in the league. The way that he played his rookie year, and it was his ability to see things and his accuracy and the technique that was with it. In the last two years, I don't know. I really can't tell you what's going on. I don't feel like he's seeing it very well. I feel like he's missing things. I feel like when they bring pressure, he doesn't have answers. And it's weird to me because very seldom, obviously do you see that when a young guy seems to have those answers and do those things and then it falls away from them. And it's really been the last year and a half where I don't believe he's playing, you know, as well as he did, and a lot of people going to the offensive line and some of the issues up there, but I think it starts with CJ. And you know, just watching him, he's not making the throws and making the decisions that he did as a rookie. And I can't tell you. I can't put a finger on it. Because he was so good as a rookie. It's hard for me to fact what's gone wrong or what's going sideways on this to take him to where he is right now.

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Talking to Kurt Warner the Hall of Famer and Super Bowl MVP, two time NFL MVP. NFL Network will have the vikings in the Browns. That'll be nine thirty Eastern from London. We had a conversation. We've had a couple of conversations this week. One is focused on Russell Wilson. Can you play yourself out of the Hall of Fame? Now? I don't know if you had him in the Hall of Fame, but he's playing himself maybe out of consideration for the Hall of Fame? Do you believe that given that he had a ten year run that was pretty impressive, These last couple of years have been pretty pretty rough.

00:38:45
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would say lay your way out of it. You know. I think what I would say in these last few years with Russell is maybe it gives you a different perspective of the kind of player that he was. Is that you know, when he was in Seattle, obviously they had a great defense when they went to the on their run, and he was asked to be more of a complimentary if he's more of a playmaking piece than actually you know, playing more drop that quarterback, carrying the team with his right arm and so when he left, I think the idea, I think it was Russell's idea as well as wherever he chose, is that he wanted to show people that he could play the position more conventionally and more like I think, you know, guys like Brady and Manning and those things, and he didn't have to just be a playmaker. And then that hasn't worked out. And you know, he tried in numerous spots now and it hasn't worked out to show people that. And so I think, if anything, it maybe gets people to look back and go, Okay, you know, who is the real Russell Wilson here? And again, I don't know if that plays anybody out of the Hall of Fame because you mentioned it. The first decade statistically was really really impressive, but I think it may have people step back and go, Okay, you know who is you know the guy that we're looking at, and you know, the Hall of Fame type of thing. Was he an elite player at that position comparative to other players? And you know, you know as well as I do that there's a lot of different ways to look at it. I mean, you look at my situation is I didn't play as many games and certain things. But when I played, I played at a high level, so I was able to get in. Some other guys may not have played it quite a highest level, but played longer and have better stats and those things, and they get into the Hall of Fame. And so there's so many ways to weigh I think what the Hall of Fame is. But that's what I would say, not necessarily play his way out of it, but have people look at him a little bit differently and kind of compare the two quarterbacks to decide, Okay, who was Russell Wilson and does he fit in that category?

00:40:47
Speaker 2: But if you don't go to Arizona, are you getting into the Hall of Fame?

00:40:51
Speaker 4: I mean, I would highly doubt it, you know, even though you know there was an elite level of play and two Super Bowls and two MVPs in Sane Lewis, I think ultimately it would have been just not enough time to be able to have, you know, another three years and go to another Super Bowl with another team. I think, is what kind of kind of stamped that you know? And you know, again it could have easily said, hey, this guy at his peak, you know, was a Hall of Fame quarterback, but that peak wasn't long enough. And so yeah, again, I think we've seen a lot of different ways for guys to you know, solidify themselves as Hall of famers. And you know, that becomes the ultimate question, you know, at the end of the day. I mean, you have Eli Manning, that's you know, that's right there on the cusp. And I think they're weighing heavily super Bowls, right, super Bowls and you know, winning super Bowls. Well, Russell has been to two Super Bowls. I know he only won one of those. But you know, so what exactly is the determining factor in getting to the Hall of Fame. I don't know if anybody knows exactly. And and as you said, and we mentioned that first ten years, you know, I think you know, you asked me, if I didn't go to you know, Arizona, would I have been in the Hall of Fame? Probably not. If Russell Wilson didn't go anywhere else beside Seattle, would he be in the Hall of Fame? And the answer is probably yes.

00:42:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I spoke to you, maybe it was the season that you went to the Super Bowl in Arizona, and we talked about what you know? Am I a Hall of Famer? And I said no, but if you take Arizona to the super Bowl, you'd be a Hall of Famer. Do you remember we had that conversation I after the game and I was there to hand out the trophy, but I sought you out. I wanted to find you after the game, and I remember the only thing I said to you when I walked I walked up to you. I think you were with your wife, and I said, you're going to the Hall of Fame. That was the only thing I think I said to you, because obviously you're distraught because you know, you think you're winning the super Bowl, and I just remember, you're going to the super Bowl. And it stayed in my head that whole time after I talked to you, and you got to the super Bowl. Could have won the Super Bowl and he went to the Hall of Fame. One other thing I want to bring up. We just had a caller saying, what quarterback have had the biggest impact or changed the game the most in NFL history in your opinion, who would you single?

00:43:15
Speaker 8: It's a that's a good question, and I don't know about one quarterback, you know, because I think about Dan Marino and how you know he played the game so differently at that time.

00:43:26
Speaker 4: I think they were a past first team. I think about our offense in Saint Louis. I think we, you know, changed the way the game was played and what we see now. I think really started with with our team. And then I heard you talking a little bit about Peyton Manning, And the one thing I would say about Peyton Manning is there's no doubt Peyton Manning was the best quarterback we've ever seen before the snap at playing the game before the snap, changing plays, knowing what a defense was going to do. But I wouldn't say that necessarily transformed the game because I don't know if there's been anybody anywhere close to Peyton doing that. And so when I think about changing the game, it's about, Okay, how did I lead the next generation into playing a similar way?

00:44:09
Speaker 3: You know?

00:44:10
Speaker 4: And maybe you look at a guy like Michael Vick because of where the NFL's gone now in terms of the athletic quarterback and using guys, you know, in two different ways, and so not sure how I would answer that, but I do think, you know, Peyton was unique and different and the best we've ever seen it at playing before the snap, where a lot of guys like myself were way better playing after the snap than before. Yeah.

00:44:34
Speaker 2: I also mentioned Joe Namath because he won this singular most important game in NFL history. He brought about a merger. It's hard to argue with anybody else there were better quarterbacks, but he guaranteed it. He did it. They're all eyes on that and one of the biggest upsets we've ever seen. And so I would probably say Joe was the most impactful quarterback of all time because of that one moment.

00:45:00
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and I think he also was the first quarterback to throw for four thousand yards or something in the league too, So I mean he wasn't doing games. Probably, Yeah, I was doing things that that people weren't doing at that time. You know, I didn't grow up seeing a lot of Joe name, and so yeah, I think of you know, more of my time. But but yeah, I mean, yeah, with everything that he did and the guaranteed victory and throwing the ball the way he did, I could surely make that argument.

00:45:24
Speaker 2: God, he threw a pretty good ball, like effortless, effortless, I bet the best passer of best quarterback at throwing the balls?

00:45:33
Speaker 4: Who at throwing the ball? And what do you what do you mean by that?

00:45:39
Speaker 2: Like which one is? You know, you see certain pitchers and they you know, they make every pit you know.

00:45:46
Speaker 4: But yeah, if if I was picking a guy, I would probably pick Dan Marino just watching him throw and you know, the release that he had and you know, the arm strength, but also the touch on the football. You know, he was the guy that you know, I grew up kind of going, man, if you can throw the ball like that, I mean that would be you know. Yeah, tried to emulate him in my front yard because I thought he was special of a thrower of a football that maybe that I've ever seen.

00:46:13
Speaker 2: What did What did you say to him when you met him?

00:46:18
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know I was in all like like a lot of people, but I probably said that exact thing. Is like, Man, I grew up, you know, trying to be you and you know, wanting to be what you were on a football field, you know. And I obviously shared the story of at my Hall of Fame speech that when I was stocking shelves at the grocery store, I was in the serial aisle and one of the nights, I was stocking the wheaties box and Dan Reno was on the wheaties box, and so he gave me a lot of inspiration when I was chasing my dream and then a stocking shelves, going hey, one day, one day, I'm gonna be like Dan Marino and I'm gonna be on a wheaties box, you know. So, you know, it just fun to have those guys that you know, you want to emmu late, you want to chase after, and then you meet a guy like Dan who's such a great individual too, that lived up to the hype not only with what he did on the field, but also who he was off the field.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: Have fun this weekend, go to catch up with you again. Thank you, Kurt, You too, my man. Kurt Warner Hall of Famer