Groundhog Day with Jackie Kashian

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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best start changing it with the beck del Cast. Hello and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. I'm your host, Caitlin Durante. Our other wonderful host, Jamie Loftus, is on her way. She is stuck in traffic, but it pales in comparison to the story about her being trapped on a gray hump bus. I will let her share that when she gets here, but we wanted to get started, so it's not to waste the time of our wonderful guest, Jack you kin, Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. I can't wait to hear the bus story. Oh my god, it's terrific. So we are talking about the movie Groundhog Day? Are we talking about the movie Groundhog Day? We are? Could you? Oh? Hello and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante. Your host, Jamie Loftus is on her way. That joke is on the table. You couldn't just leave it there. You gotta do that joke over. You gotta do it? What do you? What do you made a stone? Yeah, so we are here. The what this podcast is about is that we talked about the portrayal of female characters in movies for against I'm against women being in movies. I hate them. Right, dress men up in dresses like Shakespeare did? Why do we bother? Why do we even? Women should be in the kitchen changed to a wall. Change with just a leash that could get into the stove, get her to the fridge, and that is it. We shouldn't be allowed to learn to read and not all the way to the fridge because then they'll get fat. So one of my I was talking to somebody last night and one of my first ever jokes, Oh it's lame, um, was that men belong in the in the kitchen barefoot and erect with a with a frisbee on his head so I can put my beer in his head. That's very pross, wasn't it. Yeah, it's a it's the image doesn't even entirely work because you have to then go, oh, he's needling. But some people don't go it's such a dumb joke. But it was a hundred years ago. So it has that advantage that I've written new jokes since then. My early jokes are also not very good. Who's our that that was? We did a round robin of of our early jokes, and boy was there some crap being discussed. It was yeah, well, uh, but I'm happy to be here and I love Groundhog Day genuinely. So yeah, tell us about when you first saw this movie. Well, it came out in what nine? Uh that sounds right. Yeah, I saw it, Okay, So I saw it in the theater and it was a delight because it is um who's in it? Who's yep, it's her name is God, I've already forgotten. Uh, Chris Elliott, Oh, just the man, Welcome to the Bechtel past. We can only remember the men's names. And classic problem character. His name is Rita. I don't know why. It's Oh Andy McDowell, that's it. It's Andy McDowell, that's right. But I couldn't remember either, so I I we both failed the Becktel test. We both failed the Betel test. And uh but the yeah, it was yeah, Bill Murray and Annie McDowell and it was and dan Ackroid No, no, no, dan Ackroid was in something else that year he was still working in front of the camera, which is an error, but um, the Yeah, and and Chris Elliot, who he was one of my favorite characters that Chris Elliott. Did he just refer to himself in the third Did he just call himself as the talent? The talent? Oh? Yeah, some great line, it really does. And but I saw it in the theater, and I think I saw more than once in the theater just because it made me laugh to see it again, because it's such it's because that's the joke. Yes, I saw it, not in the theater. I would have been probably seven years old, but I didn't. I saw it not long after that like earlier early years. Yeah, I saw it mid nineties. Yeah, on VHS. My grandma had it and then my mom bought it eventually and we had the reason for that is that I actually grew up very close to pont Sitani, Pennsylvania. My mom is from there, so that's why my grandma had it, who is like a very ultra conservative, militant Christian woman who I think he sounds like a probably to hang out. Oh yep, I haven't spoken to about a decade um. But yeah, this movie I'm sure is a bit lost on her, especially because they make fun of like small town culture in it a lot. And she was just like, Oh, this movie takes place where I live right now. How cool? Well and luckily though, is it was you have that movie? I grew up only movies that take place in Wisconsin. There's like freaking Bird on a Wire, which is a I think Goldie Hawn and the guy who hates Jews a lethal enforcer, lethal weapon, Mel Gibson, There we go and um the so Mel it was? And Goldie Hawn screams through the entire movie. And at one point on Bird on a Wire they have a chase scene through the chinatown of Racine, Wisconsin. Let me tell you that that does not exist. There is like one place that has a buffet and that buffet has pudding. So that is not. But oh you do not need to that is not. That's not. And I like Mel Gibson's movies and Jews together so and apart and so um, but yeah, Bird on a Wire is not a movie that anyone needs to see. All right, I shall I shall not. You know what movie you guys should do? Though? Pardon me? Will I totally weed off is a Private Benjamin. I have, Alison, never seen that movie saving Private Bench. That is actually not the name of the Private Benjamin. I wonder about the Bechtel Test with Private Benjamin. I only the only thing I know about it is what I remember from like the like the VHS cover of it, because it was always it was like prominently displayed in the video store where I grew up, and I just remember, like a woman with long blondish hair gold is that it's going on. I didn't even know. I didn't even like I didn't recognize her at the time, so I didn't like even make the connection. And I think she might be wearing like fatigues and helmet or something like that. Yeah, she's worried because she she's a socialite, much like Overboard. She is a fancy socialite lady, but who joins the army. And uh. I was going to college when Private Benjamin came out, and my friends and I used to constantly quote the I want to go shopping. I would have out to lunch. I want to be normal again. All through through through Basic it was essentially Private Benjamin, I think came out. It was like the the Um riding on the back end coattails of Stripes. So another movie I've never seen. Oh really, Stripes may or may parts of it hold up parts of it do not. Harold Ramis, I love you dearly. Yeah. He directed and co wrote this movie Groundhog Day. Yes he did, and he did vital work because this movie is great. Yes. Uh one of my favorite animals. Yeah, it really does. Although we'll talk about this later on, but there's I have some problems with the ending that I didn't have before. Only on this recent revisit only the third time you saw it this week? Right, Okay, I've seen it every day every day of my life, over and over. I lived the same day over and over again. Um, there's other days that you could be reliving over and over again, great days, great days where you're on a beach somewhere into EATI yeah, yeah, yeah, Well i'd have to do that first and then and then relive that. Yeah. I still haven't done that. Uh. So yeah, you said, do you watch this movie every year? Once a year, right at the end of Christmas. It's the it's the last of my Christmas movies. I always I watch it goes from holiday and to Groundhog Day, Holiday and is every holiday, and now it goes holiday in Deadpool, which is every holiday all the way to um groundhog Day, and so um this year was weird because I was traveling so much. I didn't get to watch most of the Christmas movies I got to watch because I I get home and I would just sleep forever. But and so I haven't actually seen Groundhog Day this year. So I last time I saw it was one year ago. But but Groundhog Day is coming up, it is, so I can I can watch to release in this episode. Well, we're such genius marketing people. You guys know how to do it, you guys. Oh yeah, you don't have a Valentine's Day coming up here? Movie? Well we were. I think we're going to do Titanic for Valentine's Day. Oh my god, that would involve you watching Titanic. I love Titanic. We talked engine it maybe once an episode on this podcast. It's covered now, it's covered now, really Titanic. You know, there's always I've always had a friend of mine has a great and he and he's not he's he makes video games. So if anyone makes this movie, please give all the money to Brian Upton as creator. But this is the greatest TV show idea that I've ever heard, based on Titanic. It would be set on the Titanic. It will be one hour long, and every episode the Titanic sinks, and every episode you follow a different person or family, right, and then much like Groundhog Day, you would see them in the background. And what you could do is you every scene every episode could at least have one scene with the band, right, because the band made everything altogether. They tie everything all together, and you're like, hey, that guy died in the last episode. Hey that woman lived in the last episode or whatever. Right, So it would be at least how many people were on the Titanic A thousand. I closer to three thousand episodes. You guys are three hundred episodes, right, if we're talking couples and families. I would definitely watch. Oh I think you would. I think you would. But wouldn't it be great? Like because you would follow somebody and you're like, how did they do they live? And you'll find out at the end, At the end of every episode, you'd find out whether the people you followed, whether they were dirt bags or they were you know, hard, hard working in steerage whatever they were doing. Oh, that's a great idea. I will give it them all my money. Which is and groundhog right right and ground and it's Groundhog Day adjacent as a topic. Hey, welcome to the Back Toel cast. This is Caitlin Durante. I'm doing the joke again. We're just the song. Do you remember what the song was? Yes? Uh, sunny and share right. Yeah, that's right. There ain't no Hiler mountain we can climb. It's important that I made you sing. I resent you for it a lot. I have the worst singing voice in the world, and also the worst voice period. I don't know why anyone listens to this. I hate the sound of Welcome to the podcast, where it does not enjoy your own voice. No, it feels a need to speak out loud repeatedly. Gone back and listen to different episodes, and I'm just like, holy crap, I'm the slowest talker in the world. I use so many vocal fillers. I think I say okay, so yeah, um, so yeah that whole bit. Oh. I have been mocked openly for here's the thing. So I got off stage in Australia one time. I'm yeah, I've been to Australia as whole Jackie anyway. So um, but I got off stage in one of the women producer Women says, twenty six times you said here's the thing twenty six times in a twenty five minutes set, and I was like, wow, that's one more than minutes. And I said, this's a lot of new material. And I'd say here's the thing. When I'm nervous, more than if it's a new joke, I'll swear or say here's the thing more uh. And then because I'm trying to desperately get to the punchline and so it is filler though. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I'm trying. I'm like trying to make better habits. I also do this clicking thing with my mouth a lot. I'm trying to get rid of that. Oh God, so bear with me, audience of the Backel all growing together, we're growing beautiful. So so we so can we talk about the movie? I guess yeah, I mean she'll show up and then again and that'll be that'll be fun. Um. I yeah, I grew up in the area, so this movie was a huge part of my life and from an early age. Yeah. Uh, and I have seen it probably twenty five times and I love it a lot. Uh. We usually start off the discussion by me, to everyone's dismay, giving a recap of the story. Let me get oh yes, so get your pop garn and everyone, uh and buckle in for Caitlin's famous recaps. Um. We meet Bill Murray. He's a weather man. Uh. He has to go to Punksitani every year for Groundhog Day to cover the story for uh. For that it's starting off so well so far. And then his producer, this woman named Rita, goes with him as well as like a cameraman Larry, and they're all there and he really hates this town. He hates punks Tony, he hates this Groundhog Day tradition. Uh. And he gets there and he does it and everything's fine, except they can't leave because there's a blizzard, so they're stuck there. And then the next morning he wakes up and it's the same day over again. It's Groundhog Day again, and only he is reliving this day and he relives it over and over and over again. And it's really just a story about his sort of personal growth and character arc about how he starts out being this very mean, total dick uh cynical, selfish guy, and he has to learn. Over the course of the story, he falls in love with Rita, and he has to learn that to be able to both get her and then also kind of move on with his life, and in have to live Groundhog Day over and over again. He has to like uh, grow and become live in the moment, in the moment, and he has one day too. If you had one day to live, what would it be? How would you would you go? Rob? Would you would you sleep with as many people in that town as you could? Every again? Somebody interviewed Harold Raymis one time and asked him how many days they thought it took the Bill Murray character to grow, and Harold Ramis said it was over a thousand days, a thousand times or something like that, So it checks out. I've heard different numbers. I've heard someone's like ten thousand years, Like no way, but it's at least long enough for him to master the piano. Which sculpture? Have you seen it? Aristotle has not seen ground outside Gyes. What February six, Why don't you explain for our international listeners what Groundhog Day is? So many international listening time. Actually shout out to my good friend British Martha who is in the UK at least one at least one Um, so hey Martha, but yes, explain groundhog Day to the period. Hog Day is a holiday that takes place in Punkstani, Pennsylvania every year where a literal groundhog, which is a giant rat rodent squirrel thing uh is pulled out of a ground and he's whether like, if he sees his shadow, that means there's going to be six more weeks of winter if he does not see a show. It's based on this weird old wives tale or old like. I don't know if it's international, if it's worldwide wherever there are groundhogs, um, but supposedly it's it is a future teller of how much more winters there's going to be because of some weird ground squirrel. As Bill Murray would say, a clairvoyant rodent knows whether or not there's an early spring happening. So it's a very dumb holiday. I grew like I said, I grew up about twenty miles away from punk Satani in a town called Brookville, Pennsylvania. Go Rockets. What was the it's much more racist than that. We were the Raiders. Our mascot was like an Indian chief. Interesting chief. You would have thought they would have been. I mean, raiders could be anybody, right, it could be yeah, like they could be pirates, but they went with the Native American motif of raider. Yeah. Interesting, interesting, the interesting and would have been zoro. Yeah. I trold them a lot on my high school's Twitter account and they never respond. Are you muted? Do you think maybe because you're not blocked? But I don't even think they understand what they're doing is racist, And it's maybe that that's what it is. Pick a different like, what's the Oakland Raider logo? Isn't that more of a like a pirraty? Oh? I think so? Aristotle nodding, But I'm like their version of Raider is more like the Redskins, where it's like, oh, look at these raiders and raping and pillager Indian. So yeah, it's very racist and I don't like that town and I never go back. But I know so my sister says that about our town. She's like, I can't believe you have any nostalgia about this town. Can't you see what this town needs. And I said what she said, uh, um, a propellant a match. It was like some sort of like a like a like a neat Chicago fire is what she wants it to happen? And she says it can't you see what this stone needs, like some sort of propellant in a match? So well, I pulled out the election results for Jefferson County, Pennsylvania, which is where both Brookville and punk Saitani are located. How do they do? How they do? Uh? Poorly? Fifteen thousand people slash seventy seven percent voted for Trump. Uhift thousand out of the like sixty thousand who lived there. Yeah, I mean it's very small. Nice work. Everybody in the Pennsylvania people voted for Clinton and that was only voted for Trump. Uh yeah, excellently excellent. It's uh, this is those are the same people who are always complaining whatever. There's like a riot in a poor neighborhood. They're like, they're breaking their own stuff, And I'm like, you're breaking America because you've got a temper tan from because you're not being handed twenties under the table. Um, grow up, right? So what were we talking about? Groundhog Day Day. There we go. Let's move forward. So that town is it? Does it look like the town in the movie actually do a nice job. They don't shoot on location. I think they shot in uh, like different small towns in Illinois. I want to say, Um, I think they got a few like establishing shots actually in Punksatani, Pennsylvania. But it's mostly not shot there. But it does resemble it quite a bit. Um My dentist was in punk Cy. That's what we call it. Nice, that's the cool kids called so I went there a couple of times. That's what the locals call it. Um. So we So then we jump into a discussion about who the characters are. We've got Rita is the main female character, player Andy McDowell, whose name we now know, we know and I can forget it later exactly we so she is pretty much the only primary female character. And then we have a few like secondary ones, which are Mrs Lancaster, she runs the bed and Breakfast, right, yeah, we have her. We have Nancy, who is the woman that uh Phil Connors Murray like kind of seduces in a very manipulative way by being like, Hey, who's your English teacher? Who was where'd you go to high school? He spends a week asking her backstory and then pretending to go to high school with yeah. Yeah, And it's very manipulative, but and it doesn't end up working, and they like make out a little bit. But then I don't know if they had because Squirrel noises when yeah yeah, when she has an orgasm, which means that he does care about the enjoyment of his partner in the sack. That is important. Good. That's the only redeeming quality of Bill Murray at this point in that character. Uh, there's her, there's his piano teacher who gets not very much screen time, and that's and then like the waitress at the diner that they the tall lady you want Doris who wants to go to Paris, Yes, exactly, Okay, And then uh, we have Phil Connors that Kate. Bill Murray's our our leading man. And then the other sort of secondary male characters are Larry Ak, Chris Elliott, the camera guy, Ned Ryerson, ned Ryerson, Ned the Nose, needle Nose, Ned Ned the Head and the Head. Also Buster Green and his like other ground Hug Dave Cronies, all those guys who wear the tuxes and pull the ground hug out of the ground and stuff. Um, so it's races. I like those two drunks from the Bowling Out. One of them is played by Rick Overton, who I had the pleasure of doing a show with recently. Wit is that Rick Overton? Yeah, the guy who plays Ralph who wants the flapjacks. Yeah, yeah, that's Rick Overton. Didn't didn't, Nope, nope. I whenever I see Rick Overton, all I can think of is Willow. Anyway, I didn't. You never saw Willow us the wand Willow will use the wand anyway. It's essentially um Lord of the Rings, um done correctly in an hour. And it's because it's just it's Ron Howard. Ron Howard directed it. And it's crantastic sword and sorcery. Uh, it's it's the it's a it's a sort of a princess bride. But hey, listen to that episode of the Bechtel Cast everyone with Princess Brad. Yeah we did did. Yeah, Mike Kaplan was our guest. You might like Willow because I'll tell you something. It does pass the Bechtel test. Willow does that's interesting or does it now, maybe not. Most movies don't. Most movies don't, and if they do it, they do it like very half acidly right all of a sudden they're talking about lunch or something. Right, Okay, fair enough. I have been recommended Willow, though I think I would like it based my own Willow. People, um what when when Lord of the Rings came out, I was un popular opinion was that Lord of the Rings was a very very long version of Willow because people hate Willow, and they're wrong, by the way, Willow is a delight and the Lord of the Rings is beautiful, but way too long. It's nine it's nine hours long and doesn't stay true to the book. So you have to pretend you haven't read the book to enjoy Lord of the Rings. I do enjoy Lord of the Rings, but I also have not read the book book right. As an action movie, it is excellent, a little long, but excellent. And as a person who's read the book, it's a different movie. It's a different movie than the book, and you're like, I see what you're doing here. Same with the Hobbit. Oh, the Hobbit, I can't get behind it all. Oh. I actually the movie trilogy that they chapter book for kids, right something that was eight chapters. They turned into three movies and then the last one was a little brutal anyway. Yeah, I didn't care for any of them really, but um and because it's Tolking doesn't even have a shot at the Betel of course. Yeah, there you go, we have. So those are our characters. Uh so I guess we focus on Rita who I like Rita. I don't necessarily like Andy McDonald that much. Uh And I think I'm basing this on the fact that I hated Four Weddings and a Funeral so much it was not my movie of choice either, but I grant I yeah, I think I can't. I don't remember. But I like her and I like her character in this movie because she's pretty much the only character who's not depicted as being a total fuddy duddy apart from Bill Murray Watch your language. What do you mean they're funny duddy just like a baffling, bumbling buffoon alliteration baby like an idiot? Yeah? Okay, so yeah, because almost everyone is not what a funny duddy is? What's a funny duddy? Wrong? Yeah, I think a funny Duddy is more stuffy, is more pompous and kind of self righteous and funny Duddy than I don't know what words are, but you very easily could be right now, I could be wrong. But I will say this is that she is not an idiot. I will say that she the every other character is kind of dumb, even the gay waiter, he's the only he's he literally seems like this one line. He's one line. He seems to be the smartest second person in that movie. He did go to Penn State. Hey baby, I went to Penn State too, Right, So, now that I think about it, he is genuinely the second smartest person the next past. That's hilarious. But yeah, she's she's like, she's sick, she's smart. She doesn't like take anyone's ship, she doesn't take anyone ship, but she has compassion and she she's like, no, I'm not going to be mean for the sake of being mean, but you also cannot be mean to me. Yeah, so she's like a person. Everybody else is a little bit of a caricature. Yeah, totally. And he's a disaster. The Phil Phil Connors character, that guy is a um. He deserves ten thousand days of that's not much time he needs to like not be an asshole. Yeah, she kind of nails it on the first day, and she and he's just like, well, I don't know how to be a person in the world. Um so yeah, I didn't necessarily pay that much attention to her character before these like this rewatch, but um, she's she's good at her job too. I mean, she's competent producer. She and she's just a strong, smart you could kind of like who wrote it. It wasn't Harold Ramis who wrote it, wasn't Danny Rubin, Okay, it's like story and then he has a written by credit. Okay, yeah, because whoever, Like whatever, you watch a movie that's written and the in the main woman character is sort of sane and not shrill or just I mean, she was like she she just seemed super competent and yet still attractive and still you know all and then and Bill Murray making cracks about how well you want to be with me? You know, you just I mean, that's that's what women have to deal with in the workplace, where he was like, oh, the hilarity, the hilarity of we're trying to get some work done over here. Why do you have to mention the fact that we're never going to have sex. Yeah, that's so, that's what kind of bugged me about this movie on this rewatch about specifically the end, because if you think about it, they spend, as far as she knows, until the very last scene, they spend two days together. It's a bunch of different days for him on Groundhog Day February, but she's still every single day that they see each other as far as she started. Yeah, it's pretty because they spend a day. There's day one where they leave Pittsburgh and drive to Punksitani. There's day two where they wake up and do the weather broadcast thing, and then so it's that second day where they spend most of the time. But by the end, he's like, I love you, I'm happy. This is the happiest ever been. And she's like, I think I'm happy too, and they like she like totally bought like him yesterday, right, Yeah, he has spent all this time falling in love with you and getting to know you. But still you didn't know this guy from Adam right yesterday. It's a clear sign that every and this isn't just women. But I think it is a clear sign that people are just drawn to the fact that like, oh my god, this person loves everything about me. I love me, and look how interested they are in me. And so it doesn't actually bode well for her personality either or her character, not especially, but well they show it. He tries that earlier. He like, she's in his bed and breakfast room. He's like, I've got ice cream on the window, sill I love you, and she's like, you love me, you don't even know me, and then she loves him in the face and leaves. It happens again later in the movie. This time it works because he's like, I love you and she's like, yeah, okay, let's okay, let's live here. Yeah, and let's let's live in Punky. That's like one of the last lines in the movie, which is the knife in your heart. Oh hey, guess who's here. It's Jamie Loftus. Hello, good to see you, guys. Hello, we've been talking about groundhog Day. Hello, and welcome to the Bechtel cast. Is Yeah, it's like we've actually just been shooting the ship for we have done some of that. We we pretty much just got into talking about Rita I'll read okay, cool, Yeah, I love I love Frida read It's pretty good, right. I was having like a lot of groundhog Day style thoughts on the way over here, just like what what could I have done differently if you had, if you had a thousand days to learn to play the piano? And I sculpt and I love the choices poetry because like, you know what, these are the things that I've been wanting to do this whole time, But they weren't the things he wanted to do. There were things wanted for him or like wanted out of a man, and then he just sort of molded himself into that. That's true. Talk about a dream come true, ladies, I like to see. I'm not opposed to that, just having a man change everything about himself, every whim take all the time they needed, text me when you're great at all my interests. We were just talking about how interested he wasn't her, and how much we love that when someone is interesting in us. Oh my gosh, I love it. See. I have the more like uh Groucho marks approach to romance where I'm like, oh, you like me, you want to be my boyfriend? I would never want to be boyfriends with someone who would want me as a girl. And then you stomp away. That'll show him. Wait a minute, anybody anything, anybody just gone yeah, so wait, what were you thinking about on the way over here? Oh? Just different ways that that didn't have That couldn't have happened because you were your cars in the shop and you had to take well know, I ended up I ended up arguing my way back into getting my car back today because there I went to get an oil chance and they're like, actually, everything is wrong with it. I was like, well, in that case, I'll just take it back, and then I and then I was waiting, and then the mechanic was like, doing what are you doing tonight? I was like, I'm going to be in my car far away from here. Um oh that's that seemed that's interesting. Yeah. It was a very smooth transition from me being very frustrated that he's still led in my car, just like maybe just stay forever, right like punks of to maybe you were going to move to maybe you lease first. It wasn't ye what you could have said when he was like, hey, what are you doing tonight? You could be like you could still steal Bill Murray's line and just be like something else. That's what he says to Yeah, something else. I would love to have the confidence to actually flat out say that to someone, just like I don't want to I don't want you, Yeah, I don't want to hang out. Instead, it's like, let me just be quiet you. If I am silent, you will eventually go away, exactly. Except the people who don't leave when you're silent, those are the scary ones. Yeah, that's terrifying. They're like, I can wait. Yeah, you gotta use your words. It's a confrontation is super scary, but eventually you just have to go I need a raise and and then they look at you. And the first time I ever asked for a raise, my boss said, you're not good at this at all. And I said, uh's first time I'm doing it. It doesn't matter if I'm good at it or not. I need a race. And he was like wow, And I said, yeah, so what do you How should I have asked? And can I have a race? And did you get it? I did? Oh, that's great. He just powered through, is what I'm telling you. At the age of nineteen, I did. I did that once last year. I won't say the name of the employer, but I think you know who. I went to Disney. It was it was I used to be the CEO of Roy Disney. You asked Roy Disney, I'm gonna need a golden parachute. And then I went and I was like, hey, I think that maybe I should get enough money to pay for the place I live in. And I like didn't make any eye contact, and I was like, maybe you know this is gonna sound crazy, And then he looked he made eye contact with me, and he was like, Jamie, come on. And I was like, but here's the thing. I would love to have a home and and he was like, uh, we'll discuss it. And then later on I got like a Starbucks gift card. It didn't work. Work, But the thing is is you you took the first step because the next time you go in make eye contact as hard as it goes and goes. I and and and if because when he said come on, he was essentially saying what my T shirt boss was saying, which was not good at this at all. And like just go, yeah, I don't have to be good at it. We're doing this right. The conversation has begun. Yes, we're not going to talk about it. We're talking about to summon the strength for a follow up question or an ultimatum. Yeah, I mean that's the I mean that's Ultimatums are the worst. I'm so terrible at ultimatums because I don't want to follow through with them. What do you mean? No, I guess I said I would leave me. I'm gonna need another job before I say I'm gonna leave. We were talking to yeah, I'm sorry to just know I'm not having to have here. We were talking about how uh. Part Way into the movie, um, Phil Connors is like, Rita, I love you, and she's like, I'm not falling you, creep? How could you love me? You don't even know who I am? But glad did you ask all my friends and ask him what I like? Weirdo? And I would argue that that's kind of weird to call someone's friends and be like, hey, that is weird, but that's and that's what she called him on right. But then just an hour later or ten thousand days later, he's like, I love you and she's like and she believes him this time, because yes, he's problem he is a better person now. Well not even that she believe. Well, I mean again, she met him the day before, but she did watch him do like crazy ass like people coming up. But he's got wrestling tickets for the guy and he played the piano really well. See, I don't know the rules of this movie, and like how the world works are pretty vague, so I don't know. In theory, we're getting the same uh rita every day with the same approach to everything. But I could see myself on certain days being told that by an almost complete stranger of being like gross, I hate it. And then it just depends why Moody catch me. I didn't think about that. I'm just so cynical that and the pitch exact, Yeah, he does change it up pharatic. What do you guys think about the injustice of the fact that he learns how to play the piano super well for just a thousand dollars, Like he every day he gives that woman that thousand dollars, and then at the end of those ten thousand days he's an amazing pianist and at the next when he breaks the curse, he should definitely give her like at least five or six more. Yeah, just even though she won't know, she'll never know. She sunk a ton of time into it. She has no idea that she's an amazing his first lesson what Yeah, he has a gift. I wish I learned to play the piano, me too, Yeah you learned that? Was it? The elbow? Yeah, I've got my elbow in my car right now. Could keep it there just in case. It's a real good ambisher. It's a great ambisher. Yeah. Yeah, it's got those double read thing. Yeah. I played a clarinet poorly. Poorly. I actually played the clarinet, yeah, and then trumpet when I wanted to be a marching band and there were too many clarinetists and I was like, trumpets shiny or anyway, so they're tricky, amisher, Yeah, yeah, you mix it up up. My sister loved the French horn. She played the French She was violinist, though she went violent viola and then she went French horn and trombone. I love, and she liked all of the instruments I played, including her own instruments, so she was I hid in a book, She hid in a pile of instruments, and in our child, which is a more which is a more effective hiding. Uh, it's louder. Yeah, hers is a lot louder. So I always think about my parents allowing encouraging us to have instruments. Anyone who would encourage their child learned violin. You're like, you got a year and a half of Yeah, and you're paying for that, and you're paying for that to happen. It feels like good parenting in retrospect. Yeah, it's like that's someone who cares, someone who's more patient than I am. They're volunteering. Yeah, I never practiced my obo, and I think my parents were like kind of grateful, like, you know what, there's no way this ends well. So but music, music, music, the gift of music. Yeah. And if you're a man and you play music, you're gonna get all the chicks, because chick especially if you play the uh, they get a ton of ass. It's wild. It goes just me and and two other very quiet girls. Right, you will date, You will find a nice que if you like a nice quiet girl play the obo young, Yeah, you'll you'll be sitting right next to them and they will be sweating. They will also need action. Yes, and everybody needs love. They're very horny and quiet, quietly wanting a little bit sinister too. Um God day, Hello and welcome to the Bectel Casts. On your host, Calin drowns, like, I keep doing this joke over everyone has a hot bit. Uh what was I saying? I said yes to that mechanic? Okay, well you could have met him somewhere for coffee or something. That's true. It's being so nice, and I was just like, but what I gotta go, I gotta go. You could have just said, well, you seem nice. We could meet for coffee and give him your email address instead of your phone number, and then you could it could be less. I'll see tomorrow. Oh there you go that you want to go inside Sears. Inside, there's gotta be a Starbucks right by Sears that you could be there you go. It's it's sort of like it's sort of like an innet date, but in real life. I don't understand what's happened. Here is a gentleman who has seen you alive walking around has said, I like, whatever this is that sounds perverted. It does seem to be a little weird at the state late date, but you could at least talk to him for an hour and then you could find out. You're like, yeah, this didn't work, but I bet I would get a discount on my car. Oh well, I'll show a business minded move. Interesting, interesting life choice. You could find a coupon a Sears coupon groundhog days. I want this to just keep playing over every day. This is the day that I want. This is the day when she gets hit on every day strong arms or way out of the sears. I want that for you every day. Thank you so much, And looks how evolved I am. I didn't even need like I want something for someone else. I don't even want something for myself. That is nice. Now, I'm not going to be put off when you say that you love me, Oh Jamie, I love you nice. Did you just did you just give someone wrestling tickets? If so? Right? And then you I'm like, maneuvered, dude, I would It would be hard for me to tell someone who had just done a series of pretty kind things like funck off. You know, even if he's a boy who's falling out of a tree, he doesn't. She doesn't know about that one though, she doesn't She's not even doesn't know that's the like the sexiest one. Well and then the old guy with the soup. Oh yeah's life he tried and there was like a people die. Sometimes he was like, not today, not this day that I have to relive over. Uh. I will say a few things. Having grown up very close to punksy p a. Uh, this movie I think has more black people in it than the actual town of punk Satani. The extremely Yeah, totally, but no speaking parts. They know the woman, the nurse or I don't know why. The hospital people, Yeah, one of those as a black woman. The bartender at the hotel I think is a black man says some stuff. I mean it was nice that they got they I mean, that's what I do. Like what Harold Ramos is that he does Pepper all of his movies with a lot of characters so that everybody gets some work. He's like, everyone needs to make scale this year. See if I can help twenty people make scale makeup. He's doing his part. Yeah, he really did. So you've been to Oh yeah, I grew up twenty miles away from there. Is it fun? It's a ship, she said, It's just a pile of drump supporters, like in the file and would be nice because then we could get a propellant. Yeah, or just like yeah, uh yeah. My my dentist was there, so I had to go there. You have good tea. Thank you did a nice job. Nice job you did well. Tiny punks. Punks is what they what they call it. We already talked about Titanic today, Jackie and I, right, because that's going to be your next one. We did not mention anything about steampunk, which is the other thing I was struggling to find steampunk. There's no steam punk imagery in which is the mark of a great movie. Yeah, no steampunk. So there was no giant typewriter or possibly a dirigible with somebody wearing a bustle. Just gears, just a pile of gears and the I have an Amelia air hat that I bought at California Adventure. Yeah, that's the right place to get it, though. I saw. I was in San Francisco over the weekend and I was triggered by the most flagrant display of steampunk culture I've ever seen. It was like this this street performer, and people were loving it. It was he was like he had these stilts that he'd made out of like accordions and he was wearing like two suede vests and and singing like a song and had all these coins that weren't American crecy. It was a horrible I would got genuinely upset and like circle back around the block and I was like, he's still there. People are still loving his work. I hate it. I'm sorry. So what is your love? You have love of steampunk, you have your steampunk snobs. What's happening? And deeply triggered by steampunk? Called like he didn't know what it was hate until I started doing this podcast and then we talked about free time, and now I just hate steampunk. You've never, I mean, you have never given it a chance. I went to a steampunk festival once. Sure, I've been to almost all conventions like Comic Conee kind of stuff. But yeah, there's the commiest steampunk. Yeah, because people love to wear layers of fake velvet and God love them. There's a no, you know, here's a book you should never read, The Finishing School Young Adults series by a woman by the name of Gail Carriger G A. R. It's spelled like Carriager and uh it's it's literally everything It's like she's taken all the things and put them in a blender and go, will this sell? Yes, it will. And I it's Gail, It's the Finishing School series and there are it's a it's a steampunk world where there are vampires and werewolves and and get this. So I read the first one and I had interviewed her for The Dork Forest, my other podcast, and um, and I said the thing that people have said to me about stand up comedy and it isn't cool. And she took it very well as I have taken it from others. I said, this is better written than it has to be, because it could have been poorly written and it would also have sold. But it's actually very well written and well. And the Finishing School series is better than the adult there's an adult series set in the same world. I like the young adults world. It has better plot points so far, and there's only four books and it's um, it's lovely, but you you would hate it. So if anybody's fighting the good fight out in a vecdo Land, who wants to like steampunk against your wishes, I would love to really spar with someone who felt strongly about steampunk all want to watch that. I would love to do it. I wait, I had another steampunk that for if if the Dark Forest were about what you hated, I would have you to talk about to take him down. Oh, I had an idea, but I don't think that will never execute, so I don't mind saying it. I wanted to start. When I do stand up, start, just just have like a zip tire two in my back pocket. And then if I see someone in the audience who's wearing steampunk culture style clothing, just call him up and place him under citizen's arrest and make them just you could be the citizen's arrest comic. Yeah, it's like everyone needs to find their thing. I think I'm really find in my voice where I keep placing people into arrest. Have you ever been placed under citizen's arrest? No? I saw the manager of a bookstore I worked at attempt to place someone out of under citizen's arrest and failed to the putting shops down his pants. We you don't have two citizens arrest that person. You can arrest. You can call a cop and arrest arrest of that person, right, But I guess he called the cops and they're like we're not you know, if we're not coming. Yeah, And the guy seemed like he knew, like they like they were far away or whatever. And and so my my boss was like, you know what, I'm just gonna do it. And he took a zip tie from the desk and went over and was like, sir, I'm placing you under citizens arrest and long story shirt. The guy kind of just took the record out of his pants and left. It worked well, at least he didn't. I got some homeless gentleman tried to place mender citizens arrest, place me under I wasn't doing I was ringing a doorbell outside of there was a kiddie corner from the Hollywood one on one diner. I don't know, I'm Franklin whatever. Yeah, so I'm there's a very There was a woman that I was in an acting class with who I was going to meet, and I was ringing the bell for her and she answered, and there was a homeless guy who had been following me for a little bit and he came up and he was like, uh, let me in when she lets you in, And I said, no, no, I'm very sorry, I can't do that, and uh and then he started yelling at me, and then he started yelling citizens arrest, Citizens arrest. And then the person from my acting class answer and she was like, hey, Jackie's at you. Should I let you up? And I said, don't do it. Giantman, giantman standing next to me. Who will come in next to me? And she was like what? And then she went away, and I thought, oh, that was my only lifeline. What have I done? And then all of a sudden, the sort of the door guy comes to the door and that and so she called downstairs and talked to it like I don't know a real person who was like, sir, you can't EVERYONEE was safe? Yeah, and then I and then it wasn't killed you guys, Yeah, that would have been truly selfless if you had been killed. You're like, I saved my friend. I saved my friend. I said, now you're not gonna want to let us both in, You're just gonna want together. You just on on the on the camera. You can watch me be killed by this guy. But I wasn't. So speaking of being killed, Bill Murray kills himself a bunch of times in this movie. So I'm just trying to get please please do. How crazy is that? And and and the thing is is the first time he did it right on the train track, you think to yourself, Oh, he's genuinely he he's been driven there by Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was interesting. How how early on relatively in like the one thousand like that that happened, How quickly he gave up. Yeah, like he gave up. I mean, I guess that if you really feel like there's no other option, and he doesn't know that, within you know, eighty minutes, his deal will be older. You know, you might be driven to that. But I was the first time I saw it too, I was like, well, that's kind of fast. Well, he that he's still at this like very you know, self loathing, cynical asshole life. Yeah, Uh, it takes him a much longer for him to realize that there's more to life than just hating yourself and everything around you like pianos and sculptures. Does Rita ever even talk to another woman? Uh? There? And it does pass the tests technically, there's it's another one of those by the skin of its teeth kind of passes well because there's there's five different women in the cast total. Right if you include the doctor nurse lady. Um. But uh, they don't really interact with each other at all, right, no, barely. There's a scene where um philon Rita or in the diner endors the server comes up and she's like more coffee, hunt and she's like and we're just like, oh yes please or no, just the check and then she's like, these sticky buns are heaven. So they talk about food. They talk about food and its favorite passes, because that's like the stock, Like, what is the least you could possibly do? How how few words can we say to each other to get these sticky buns are heaven. That's a fun flourish but it's the least you could do, right, you know? I always wanted there to be in the last Avengers movie, the there Tony Stark's girlfriend and UM and Thor's girlfriend are not at this big party and that's played by UM Gwyneth Paltrow and um Amidala. What's yeah? So um, neither of them could obviously be a ordered in this good jillion dollars things. So neither of them are at this meeting, and Marvel has been doing these one shots, these short things. It would be just awesome. If during that party they did a one shot where the two of them were they could just call it the Bechtel tests, and where the two of them were at dinner going, hey, are you going to the party now, Well, let's go out to dinner. And then they went out to dinner and talked about science and business because they're they're like the brains and and and behind those two lives. Yes, yeah, gone to a dinner even like women in stem. Let's talk about it. But they never made that one shot. They have dropped the ball. They have missed him. They've left money on the time. That's the only thing they've ever done. Everything else, everything else, they nailed it, stuck the landing. Yeah, let me look through my notes and see what the other things I wanted to talk about. First I was like, oh man, he just keeps being a dicked all these poor small town lady characters. But he actually treats the men and women pretty equally. He's just a genuinely bad person. He does call his like co anchor or whatever. At the very beginning hair do. He's like, all right, hair do, for your information, does he call my hair do? Will not use Oh he calls her yeah okay, and I was like, that's is he calling the guys cucks? Is that? Did he invent that? Nonc So it took me so long to figure out just by hearing that word in context what it actually meant. I never got it in context. I had to actually look it up and I was like, I see what you've done. It still doesn't make any sense. Whatever. Why is everybody like to say it now? It makes me sad. I learned what calding was when I watched a documentary about birds. I don't know why that's so hilarious because you so exciting, that's why. Another it was narrated by Richard Attenborrow or is it David Edinburgh? I get them confused, so they're yeah, anyway. It was a good documentaries called Life of Birds. There's a scene that kind of upset me where it's towards the end at the bachelor auction at the Groundhog Yes, and Chris Elliott is up for being auctioned off and no one wants him except those like old ladies, and she's like twenty five cents and then he looks to see who won him, and it's an old lady and he's like, oh, gross, because you know, women past a certain age are disgusting. Yeah, so that was a little upsetting. I have ribbon candy in my in my vagina, it's just old cobwebs, and that's like instead of counting rings, like what kind of novelty items are in there? Where? Isn't that the name of my next album? My vagina ribbon candy, It's just a party bag. And I'm going to get off topic, but there's a joke and arrested development where they're talking about a cabin, an old cabin and job or someone's like, who would want to go into that musty old clap chap and I think they think they're talking about the seal and he's like, oh, the cabin, that's great. Uh. There's another scene where towards again, towards the end, uh, Marita is in bed with Phil and she's like falling asleep and he's like, it's okay, you can fall asleep. I won't touch you much. And it's pretty rapy, really funny. Here's the weird thing about rape comments like that. It's it's the weird like when okay, I'm all married, right, I got a fellow it's all nice. So we were dating and then he saw me do a show and he showed up. I was I was doing out a run through. I have no idea why he came to a run through of my solo show in two thousand and three, because he liked to me and it was this and it was um it was the it was a half hour and it was the second part of a three part solo show I was working on. And in two thousand three, that's when that's when one person shows we're getting really brutal. Everybody had cancer and they were poignant, but mine was not. But but this was the first draft, so it was a little more poignant than funny. And so he saw this first draft kind of situation. And then he shows up an hour later afterwards, like you know, essentially we drove separately. And then so he shows up at my apartment like an hour later, and he knocks on the door and he goes, I thought I would just leave these flowers, And then I thought, that's weird. Is it weird that I've shown up with the flowers in hand? What I just I would love the show and you were great. And then he gave me these flowers, and I was like, that is so beautiful. But if I didn't like him, I would have thought it was creepy. So well, you have to sort of and and how is how is a person to know to some extent, like if you like a guy and you're like, I'm willing to drive drunk for you, and that's not okay, stick, that's what was my yard. But I mean, but so I think she liked him enough that that was it sounds rapey except for that she liked him enough that she was like, oh, he's I'm sure it's not going to touch. Yeah, he's not really gonna be weird and start poking at my bits just because I'm asleep, because I that first of all, would wake her true true, And she was like I thought it was midnight. Yeah, man, Like basic lack of understanding of not just the female body, but bodies in general, because whenever you spoke anybody when they're sleeping, they're gonna jump. They're gonna wake that person up so real fast. Uh. It does pass the Bactel test. There's a couple of other scenes where it's again super bare minimum, like the scene where the three old women are in the car, and they get a flat tire and they're like, are you total to Oh, it's an earthquake whenever he starts like, then that thing ends with them talking about about him. So it passes for a second and then doesn't pass anymore. Um. And then a few scenes were like Ptil introduces Rita to someone, another woman and they say hi to each other. It lasts for half a second on screen, but feminism. And then also wrote in my notes and all caps, white people dancing so painful. There's a dance. God, this is bleak. It's horrendous. Bleak is such a perfect word. Um. But yeah, otherwise I say we we rate the movie. We have a rating scale of zero to five because we're so body for work, not body backwards, having bodies, but tired. I hated just being like cloud of like a theory, just like a floating consciousness. Honestly though, that does sound like my ideal would love to just float. Yeah, that does sound pretty nice. All right, Um, I give it. Uh. I love this movie. I think it's terrific. It is so well written, but in terms of its treatment of female characters. But Rita is good and she's a pretty well developed character. But just because they're so she's like the love interest and that's pretty much how she is. And then there's just like not many other women for her to talk to, her hang out with. I'm going to give it like a too, I guess, well harsh. It feels harsh, does I know? Because I would like otherwise. I give this movie five out of five because I love it so much. Five out of five totally, But of its treatment of women, you're probably right with a two. Yeah, just because he's such a disaster and he's him and the him in the manipulative, with the with the high school that is very many. Preso tries it on on Rita for a while, doesn't I mean, yeah, it's and who else? Who knows who else he slept through the hole the things we saw on screen. I'm going to give it three because he does end up completely changing himself for a woman. Oh my god, I didn't you even think about respect someone's willingness to do that. That's sure he did put in the butt in the time he could have become, he could have been the devil. He could have spent like ten thousand forever days just just deciding that he was going to rape every person in that town were deciding that he was going to kill everyder now has five nipples. Did he did he only do it out of necessity because he's like, well, I got nothing else to do with my time, I better just become a nice person. Or did you do it? Because I think he didn't. I think he actually changed, because remember when he was sitting with her and he said, I'm not God, but I'm not the God. I'm a gud And at that point you're like, well, you could be a good odd or you could be a bad god. And he chose to be a good guy. Yeah, And I think like he was taking enough, like actual genuine pleasure in the activities he was doing. After a while that I was like, oh, it seems like he's actually happy to be there. So anyways, I would encourage anyone to do that for anyone. Change if you're a douche, bad guy about yourself exactly. You can email us at the Bechtel Cast at gmail if you want to go on a date after you've changed yourself. Yeah, make sure you're totally different. Yeah, you're not like they're listening to this because they're like, wait, I'm bad. It's probably better things myself. This is gonna work. I love this podcast, by the way, the minutia of a movie I love and sorry Jamie that you missed about half of it. I'm sorry that you can go back and listen to the idea for the Titanic. The TV show Oh yeah you um anyway, Jackie thinks so much for being Oh do you have? Do you want to rate it on a nipple scale? I think I'm gonna go two and a half. I chose to you went three. I'm gonna go right in the middle because I'm pandering because I but I know what you're saying, because he did change and yet um, his initial the treatment of it makes me think that, um that Harold Ramos is probably and wow, nobody wants to hear what middle aged white ladies say. This word uh is not entirely woke. Yeah, it's just like on his way, but he's not there. Yeah, not completely, but who amongst us? His first usually the word work. That's not always an error with the co opting. So I love it. You hit the k oh, yeah, I hit it. I had it and did you hear the silent uh? I remember most of the nineties when I didn't understand what hood was short for neighborhood. It turns out, Grandma, how's it going? Well? Thanks for being here. Where can people find you online? People can find me at all The at Jacucation is in the world. Occasion is spelled K S H I N. And then I have two podcasts. One is on this very network, the Nernice network. We're not on the Nertice one network. We just reduced this studio. Don't tell anyone, Oh no, but sort yeah. So it's but it's called The Jackie Lorie Show and it's just Lori, Kilmartin and I bitching about stand up comedy. If you enjoy that, recommend it. It's such a good podcast. And then The Dork Forest is on all Things Comedy dot com. Uh their network, and that is Al Madrigal and Bilber's podcast network, and it is uh, I just interview people about what they really really love. Look. Today I did an episode with the guy who um loves motorcycles and I didn't. I don't know anything about motorcycles. My mom was killed on one. Uh, she actually fell off and then died. But that's that was supposed to be a laugh line. Possibly too soon. Forty years later or so. But yeah, but anyway, dork forest dot com or jacucation dot com or family pet Ancestry dot com because it made me laugh and uh, there you go. Well, you can also follow us at Bechtel Cast. You can find you can find me on pet finder dot com. You can look at my profile neo pets. Do you remember that pets? Don't? Yeah? I better not because we gotta go. I'm sorry. Also, hello, and welcome to the Becktel Cast. This iste Um nope, sorry that I keep doing that. Okay, by everyone. I