Stacy Lewis on the Women’s Open and the Solheim Cup

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Speaker 1: I'm about ready to run off of the Welcome to the Friday Golf Podcast. I'm Garrett Morrison, and today we're chatting with Stacy Lewis about winning at Saint Andrews and about captaining the US Solheim Cup team. But first we're going to talk about what we're in on and what we're out on in the golf world this week. And here to do that with me is Meg Atkins. Meg, what are you in on?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Garrett, I am m in on Lydia Co. I didn't really expect much from her last week at the Scottish, coming off the big Olympic win, and you know all the high of that comes in ties for ninth. First of all, she didn't she could have dropped out of playing the Scottish. She shows up, She's obviously going to be playing this week at Saint Andrews, and I've just it's been so impressive to see her get back some form that she hasn't had this year. Besides that win, at the very beginning of the year, she kind of got lost in the woods, missed two cuts in a row, which is extremely rare for her. When she was, you know, going on that gold medal run. The LPGA sent out some stats and one of them that really caught my eye was Lydia has two hundred and fifty five total starts. She's made two hundred and thirty eight cuts, so six of those seventeen cuts have been in the past two years. Yes, so Lydia's had a very long career, as we're all aware, and if we didn't see much more out of her, that's fine. She's had an incredible career. But to see her, you know, get the gold, get the Hall of Fame point that she needed, and peek at on the biggest stage that the women's golfice had this year, I'm just extremely impressed by her digging deep, finding finding some game that she didn't have earlier this year. And now we get you know, Saint Andrew's Home of golf. She can continue this this magical ride that she's that she's been on. But really impressed in how she showed up last week at the Scottish played great, and super excited to see her at Saint Andrews.

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Speaker 1: How clear is the sense at this point that she's going to be retiring soon? People seem to be hinting around at that. I'm not sure how much smoke there is to you know, to that fire, so to speak. So what's what's the deal with that?

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Speaker 4: From her?

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Speaker 3: You know, she said that'll for sure be her last Olympics, so that gets the talk ticken on. You know, three four years max, which would put her around thirty, which is again per her. You know, she said she doesn't really see herself playing much past thirty. So yeah, that's that's that's why it's been so cool to see this. We know we don't have much more time with her playing regularly, at least at least playing a full schedule. So yeah, it's been you know, three years will go by, We'll go by quick.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm in on this week is social videos of Billy Horschell calling guys to give them FedEx Cup updates. I think this should be a regular feature. I think they should do it every week throughout the PGA Tour season. This week there was a relatively well viewed video of Billy Horschell Collin Keegan Bradley, who made the cut the top fifty cut for the next stage of the playoffs on the number and they just filmed Billy colin Keegan and giving him the specifics of know how likely it was that he was going to move on to the second playoff event. And it was just a hilarious random video. It's not good content, but I loved it because I like the idea of Billy Horschell just being the guy to do that. Clearly, they made the video just because Keegan Bradley wasn't there, had already left the golf course, which maybe shows how much he cares about actually making the next stage of the playoffs for the for the FedEx Cup. But they started talking about catering and food at the end, and it was just this that strange video. And I really would like to see a regular feature of Billy Horschell giving guys kind of mundane points updates at the end of every PGA Tour event. I hope that's not too much to ask, but I think that the social team over there should should make that happen. All right, let's let's get to what we're out on this week. Meg, what are you out on?

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Speaker 3: I am out on slow play. It's just been.

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Speaker 1: Courting troversy here, Meg, you know you're in on Lydia Coe. I'm out on slow play.

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Speaker 4: Come on, now, these are hot takes. I don't you know.

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Speaker 3: If you disagree with me on that, I'm sorry, but I know on slow play. Yeah, it's you know, the going back to the Olympics, the Morgan Metro, she was on the plock for three days in a row, and not just a couple holes. Well we're talking a couple of days. That was the majority of her round. And like, what's what's the point of having a slow play policy if you can be on the TLOK three rounds in a row and have no no punishment, no no penalty, nothing at all. I loved john Wood just blatantly saying I think it was in the in the second or third round, like they're making no effort to catch up either. So I'm out on that.

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Speaker 4: That was in it.

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Speaker 3: And just to be clear, this was not her group or any other circumstances it was.

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Speaker 4: It was really just her, just her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just her. Then we have you know, the couture debacle, and you know it's it's way darker than our cameras appear and in five and a half hour rounds. And then you know, yesterday or uh at at at Memphis, you got NBC going away not cutting out of the interview because they've run out of there a lot of time. And that's you know, that can be on NBC. You could have stayed with it. You didn't need to cut you know, in the middle of that. But how are like, how are we running out of these running out of time in these like giant windows of coverage that we have. It's just I don't know, you know, it's obviously not something that just happened overnight, but which just means we've got we've gone so backwards on on slow play in the professional game and on the you know, recreational side of things too. I was out last weekend on vacation and went out for around and this is a walkable course. Easily could have you know, walked it and had no issues keeping pace with carts. But it's one of those where it's you get there, there's no difference in the green speed between walking and cart and that's you know, you've seen that here and there. I feel like I've seen it more lately where it's like, you know, not even an option, and it's like I feel like that's under the guise of it being a pace of play thing when it's really just a monetary thing. And it just we've done this like hard left turn with some of these policies on the recreational side of things that courses and the example that we see on TV every week is is even worse, and it's just we got it. I don't know how we course correct, but it's getting painful every week when it's an issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, it would be nice if the leading tours in the world set a good example, Yeah, but they are currently setting the worst example. And I'm not really sure why. On the LPGA Tour they're not addressing the problem. Maybe it's for the same reason that they aren't on the PGA Tour, which is that they're scared of the players and just don't want that battle, which is a shame because they should want that battle. It affects the product, and there are clear things that can be done to enforce pace of play, and we know what those things are. It's just about the willingness to do them. So yeah, it is an issue. Let me talk about what I'm out on, Meg. I'm out on the Women's Scottish Open being held at Dundonald Links. Why are we doing this? I'm sure it's a fine course. It seems like a fine course. The architect, Kyle Phillips, is good at what he does. But this course was built in two thousand and five. And what makes Scottish golf so special. Part of what makes it so special is this amazing array of really old courses, courses that are connected to the roots of the game, and I just feel like the Scottish Open, both men's and women's, should take advantage of some of that history. And you know, on the men's side, the excuse is always a lot of these older Links courses are not long enough to accommodate a modern men's tournament, and okay, but on the women's side that excuse is not as relevant. They're just going to dum donald Links because I think it's probably convenient and it's the best way to make money. Dum donald Links wants to host it. I just feel like they could try a little bit harder, maybe go to Gullin where they've been before. Royal Aberdeen is set up to host big tournaments, but also you know, you could go to North Barrick. I think, could you go to Royal Dornic, could you do cruden Bay, could you do Nairn or Western Gales. I mean, there are so many wonderful courses that can host tournaments, that host qualifiers and amateur tournaments, could host a Women's Scottish Open. I believe that are just being left on the table because we keep wanting to go back to these modern courses where just a little bit more convenient to hold these tournaments. So I think that's a bit of a miss by the Women's Scottish Open.

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Speaker 3: Not to uh, not to burst your bubble, but the Irish Open next week is at the iconic Omera course at Carton House in County Kildare. Are you familiar with that one?

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Speaker 1: No, I can't say that I've heard of that one before.

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Speaker 3: And this is this is l E T event. It's not CoA sanctioned with the LPGA, but one one the.

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Speaker 1: Women's Scottish Open is, by the way, so l E T. It used to be just an l A T event Now it is CO sanctioned, so they they've got a little bit of clout behind them. They could do something, but they're not. They're not doing it. The Irish open Yeah, okay, I haven't heard of that course. I don't want to say anything negative about it necessarily, but it doesn't sound like it's gonna be uh, you know, it doesn't sound like it's gonna be a royal county down.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there are better options, okay, And it's I don't know why it's after the British shoping either. We could have a cool links lead up and we're going dun Donald St Andrew's Omeira course.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Mira course. Is it named after Mark o'meira?

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Speaker 4: I was digging into that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it does sound like an Irish name, so possibly it's just named after, you know, an Irish dude. But it would be funny if it were named after Mark o'mera.

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Speaker 3: That'd be great.

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Speaker 1: All right. So, Meg, we have got a great show coming up here. We're going to speak to the great Stacy Lewis. Big honor to have her on the podcast. You and I both interviewed her. This was a couple of weeks ago, So if there are any references to time that confuse people, that's why we talked to her when she was available a couple of weeks ago. First, though, we're going to do a quick preview of the Women's Open. Now before we roll into that, I do want to talk about golf Forever now. Meg, you may be noticing at this point in your life you and I are approximately the same age. You're not as loose on the course as you used to be. You can't just roll out of bed and go play golf and expect to be effective. I've certainly hit that stage of my life. It's happened all of a sudden in the past few years, and it's really gotten worse, very very quickly. And so I would imagine that many listeners can relate with this. I hope that you don't relate with this, but you know most of us do. And if that's the case, your body is probably holding your game back and it is time to change that. You can do something about that. Golf Forever is an at home training system that combines great coaching and personalized follow along video programs in the golf Forever app with an incredibly versatile golf training tool called the Swing Trainer. This program and this tool will help you add flexibility, strength and balance, and you'll find yourself far more able to hit the first tee ready to go. I've been using the golf Forever app and Swing Trainer for the past couple of months now. In my strength, balance, flexi abit have improved quite a bit already, especially as those factors relate to the golf swing. So I'm staying committed to that and excited about the results that I'm seeing, and more importantly, I'm expecting to play a lot more pain free golf in the future. So to get started right now, go to golf forever dot com and use the code egg egg to save an extra fifty dollars on any training system package that's golf forever dot com code egg. All right, now, before we bring on Stacy Lewis, let's talk a little bit about the Women's Open at the Old Course. First of all, Meg, have you been keeping an eye on the forecast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like we're going to get some wind.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've heard.

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Speaker 3: The term was unsettling, a nice little, you know, Scottish term for you there and you know it was interesting. Charlie Hole had a great quote talking about the wind at dun Donald. So while the course, you know, we I wasn't too wild about, they did get some elements that it sounds like they're going to get at St.

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Speaker 4: Andrew's this week too.

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Speaker 3: So Charlie Hole was talking about how, you know, it was just punch shot after punch shot and they had this wind almost every round and she was almost like caught off guard when she had a normal shot on you know, the wind died down or she had just a normal stock shot, and she said it was just great to kind of get in that mode of not having stock shots and always having to account for the wind and getting comfortable with the wind doing what you think it's going to do, and seeing it affect your shots and seeing the end result. I think that's absolutely something to keep an eye on. I hope we get the wind that they're forecasting. I mean we're still a little ways out, so it could change obviously, but yeah, we didn't quite get that with the men A lot of a lot of sunshine of some calm, calm days a couple of years ago, and I hope we get some some elements there because I think we'll see those who who played and talked about it, which was a lot of the top of the leaderboard at the Scottish feel a little bit more comfortable than those who maybe weren't there this past week.

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Speaker 1: I feel like my ideal, whether for a links course or the old course for viewing a tournament would be sunny but really windy. That's the combination I'm looking for because if you just get like sort of the classic Scottish weather where it's really rainy and windy, that's fun too. We kind of got that at Royal Trum and it didn't rain that much, but it did a little bit. It just looks a little bit miserable right when you're you know, it doesn't make you want to go to Scotland and play links golf necessarily when you see these players just getting battered by the elements, and there is something fun about that. I don't want to na say that, but when it's sunny and beauty and beautiful and everything looks great but also super windy, for me, that's the ideal combination. So I'm hoping we get a little bit of that coming up this week. So I guess we'll.

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Speaker 3: See, we'll see fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So some players to keep an eye on. Obviously that the hottest player in the world right now appears to be Lauren Coglin. Kind of just having an amazing couple of weeks. What has she looked like to you, what's coming together in her game and what would you predict for her at the old course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's coming in with a ton of confidence and feeling great about everything, which has not been the case. You know, She's always been a great ball striker. The difference this year is her putting seven to one puts to finish up on Sunday at the Scottish including the great birdie at eighteen. So I think that the having that club in the bag going so well and having it be a strength this year has booster the confidence in every other aspect of her game, you know, like knowing that you're going to roll some puts in if you get in trouble, you know that putter's going to save you a couple of strokes here and there. So that's been the biggest improvement, you know, from her game side of things. But I think you know the other thing and Justin Ray had some great you know, stats and stuff after her win. The the the really the amazing thing with with Lauren is the fact that she's thirty one and is just seeing the success as quote unquote and old on the LPGA tour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is she's she's older than Lydia Coe apparently plans to be when she retires.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and she is the first person on the LPGA Tour to get her first two wins after turning thirty since Karen Stupples in two thousand and four. That's per justin ray So twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Shout out Karen.

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Speaker 4: See yeah, shout out Karen.

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Speaker 3: Stuffles love Karen, And I think, you know, the type of the patience and the perseverance to stick with it when the game just keeps getting younger around you, and you know, we're all about, you know, instant gratification, immediate results, and for her to stick with it, I've got to think that this delayed gratification of that first win finally coming was so sweet, and then to have just the lid be off and to get the second one a couple weeks later has to just feel incredible for her, you know, and it's just great to see good things happen to good people, and Lauren's that and so excited for her, you know, not only this week, but at Solheim. She's locked that up. Her family lives about an hour away, so that's going to be incredible. And you know, that was her goal at the beginning of the year, was play well enough get on that Soulheim Cup team. So she's you know, she's reached her goals this this year and it's really cool to see the success, the delayed success and the perseverance payoff.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what's the deal with Nelly Korda.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I when I talked about you know, the wind and the forecast and the players talking about how important it was to get comfortable in it. You know, Nelly Nellie didn't play last week. She took a break after the Olympics. She's she's still overceivers.

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Speaker 1: She took a break before the Olympics too, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, she's kind of have you know, European summer, which is.

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Speaker 1: You know, totally fine. That's that's her. That's her call. That's her call. But she does seem to be searching for something right now. They're there, Yeah, there's it doesn't doesn't seem entirely peaceful inside the mind of Nelly Korda at the moment.

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Speaker 3: No, and you got to feel like with you know, this being the the final major. You know, there is the Solheim Cup later this year, but this is the last one. And yes she has one major win at at at Chevron, but it's been tough in the other majors. The Olympics was disappointing too. I mean, she the big number and the big mistakes, and it's crazy to think that we'd be talking about things falling, going off the rails and her not being able to get it back on track with how incredible and steady she looked at the beginning of the year. But that's what we've seen at these these big events Lancaster, Sahali, Olympics, the big numbers and not being able to correct the ship. And you just wonder in the elements at St. Andrew's not coming in with any type of prep and that you know, like like Golf National was completely different and that's the last time she played. You just wonder if that's gonna, you know, happen again. It's it's wild to talk about her season being disappointing, but if there's if Saint Andrew's is another rough go. I mean, it's a disappointing major season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. You can't help but see it that way. Considering the stretch that she had earlier in the year, the expectations are really high, and the way that she is kind of bombing out of some of these tournaments is just indicating that she's not necessarily in bad form technique wise. I could be wrong about that, but she's clearly still capable of going low and playing that great golf that she played for months straight earlier in twenty twenty four. But she just has these rounds and she just shoots eighty and so it's interesting to watch it is. It's more interesting than just seeing somebody kind of shoot one over or something and not ever get into their game. So Nelly Korda is a great watch right now, but it is a little bit concerning. It's it's hard to figure out exactly what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's anyone's bet which which Nelly is going to show up show up this week?

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Speaker 1: No clue the too. Nelly's plenty of other players to talk about. I want to just shout out Lily Avoo real quick. She's she's back in the mix after after some time off and uh clearly still playing high level golf, and she goes into this week the defending champion, So definitely a player to keep an eye on. But I want to make sure that we get to our interview with Stacy Lewis. It was so fun to talk with Stacy one last point going into the Women's Open, and and this is something that kind of comes up in a way in the in our Stacy Lewis interview, and it's just that the Women's Open is in really good shape. The RNA has done a great job since taking over the operations of this tournament several years ago, of increasing the tournament's prestige and going to truly worthy venues that make the event feel like a great event. Stacey mentions that at one point in our conversation that when she won at St. Andrew's in twenty thirteen, it was different. It was being run by a different organization, that the tournament wasn't quite at the high level that you would expect an RNA run tournament to be at. And that's because the RNA wasn't yet running the tournament. And so it's just striking to think about how recently this tournament has come together. You would think that this would be like the women's version of the Open, a tournament with really really deep history, but it's actually not that tournament. That they've made it feel like that in the last several years. But this tournament doesn't actually have a really really extensive history, and so it bill needs to build itself up, and going to Saint Andrews is an important step in that direction. And properly setting up the course, you know, making the course really shine, making sure that you can play on days where there are some interesting conditions, and having a very professionally run tournament, a tournament that's run like a major at a great venue. That's how you turn the Women's Open into a tournament worthy worthy of the name it was.

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Speaker 3: This is the one that was number one circled on the calendar, you know, big bold circle.

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Speaker 4: It's here.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. It's going to be an incredible week for women's golf.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our interview with Stacy Lewis. All right, Meg Atkins and I are here with the one, the only, Stacy Lewis.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining, Stacy, thank you, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: So we have a lot to talk about. We're going to release this episode on the week of the Women's Open, so we're recording this a little bit ahead of time. But obviously you have some experience with opens at Saint Andrews, and we'll get into that a bit, and then we'll also talk about some some Solheim Cup stuff as well. That's a big responsibility of yours this year. Lots of interesting things to touch on there. So it has been eleven years at this point since you won at St. Andrews. When you think about that week, what comes to mind first.

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Speaker 2: That I can't believe it's been eleven years, you know, just the fact that the fact that I won their first and foremost but I wish we would have been back sooner. That's kind of the first thing. But I mean, I absolutely love St. Andrews. I love the town and being there and you know, just the golf nuts that are around there, and you know, I've made efforts over the years just to stop back by by the Don Vegan and look at the eighteenth hole and walk around a little bit, just because it is it's one of my favorite places in this world that I've been to.

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Speaker 1: So was that week, the first time that that you had played there or that you had been there for golf.

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Speaker 2: No, actually, I played Curtis Cup there in two thousand and eight. It was my last event as an emitter, and that was the first time I had really been overseas. I traveled like that as first time playing links golf. So we got paired up with local caddies and I just fell in love, you know, I just embraced, embrace being there, embrace learning the game, and that was really where I learned to love links golf and love Saint Andrews.

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Speaker 1: What were some of the things that you learned in that kind of first trip over What were some of the big discoveries for you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I played the old course eleven times at seven days over that week of the Curtis Cup, between practice rounds and matches, and I got this great caddie that he would just say, hey, take pitching mudge. We're going to land it here and it's going to roll up like just various chip shots. You know. There were holes where he had me miss the fairway on purpose, you know, just so we weren't in bunkers, and you know, we played in all sorts of weather that week. We had sun, we had rain, we had everything. So it was just more just how to play Links golf and when to pull out the putter, when to keep it on the ground, when to get it up in the air. Just I mean really just how to play the game over there.

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Speaker 1: Getting back to the Women's Open week, when you were playing the course that week, at that point you had a good amount of experience with LPGA Tour events use normal tour venues. What aspects of the old course do you think made it the most different from those golf courses that you would play on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Link Scott anytime you go play Links golf, it's different than what we play on a normal basis. You know. For me going there was more. You know, my caddy Fraser that I had that week of Curtis Cup, he actually came out and walked practice rounds with us and helped my caddy that caddies for my weekend and week out, just helped him learn the golf course and where to hit it on certain holes. So I think that was beneficial. But it's just it's more being there and one in eighteen and being in the town and the walk over the bridge and just more of the feel that you get at Saint Andrews, I think is what makes it feel felt different than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha. So getting to the tournament itself, do you remember the day that play was suspended that Saturday, because my understanding is that it was where my memory is that it was. It was sunny, it wasn't like it was raining, but the wind was pretty high. What what was it like that day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this, you know, this event was run at the time by the LGU. This was before the RNA really came on board with course set up and all those types of things, and so the green speeds I think got away from them. You know, they're probably faster than what the RNA would do. Now seeing a forecast, the RNA would probably slow them down. So back then we just didn't I don't think we had the control over the golf course like we would now. And so we got to Saturday and they sent it for a couple groups out. I never actually started that day, but it was it was a wind out and the one thing I remember about that day is that I went out and practiced, and because practice facilities were open, you could go hit balls and do whatever you want. But I just wanted to stay in the rhythm of what I was doing. I wanted to I didn't want to sit in my hotel room all day, like I needed to still do something. So and I just remember being one of the only people out there on the range, you know, out there by myself hitting balls when but it was like I just I don't know, even though it was windy, you could still go hit golf shots and work on your game.

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Speaker 1: You probably got some good practice hitting some shots in the wind that day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was it was. It was very windy, but it was the greens. I mean we could have played golf, yes, I mean, it wasn't too windy where you couldn't have hit certain shots. It was more the green speeds were too fast. And as you guys know that, I mean those greens that sittings are relatively flat too. There's not there's not a whole lot blocking it when the wind does blow.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying basically is that they robbed us of a really fun day of watching golf.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, exactly.

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Speaker 1: What were the challenges for you of playing that thirty six hole final day?

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Speaker 2: Just the energy you know, and we had been on a streak. I don't remember what it was, but there had been a couple majors over the last probably year and a half going into there where we had done thirty six hole finals. So it wasn't relatively like surprised by it or wasn't not prepared for it. So it was more just the energy. You know, you had your first tea time at sticks, you know, they started back at six in the morning, and then they gave you you went inside your scorecard, you know, here's some lunch, make a little box, and off you go again. So it was just you just kept going. There was really no stop into it, and I was I think four or five groups ahead of the leaders and so that really I think that helped me out more than anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no repairing, right, and so you just kind of cruised right through. You knew what your schedule was going.

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Speaker 2: To be, correct. Yeah, you just you packed an extra pair of socks, and you packed all the clothes you needed for the day, and you changed your socks and you kept going. I mean that was it was just one of those days and you didn't stop until the last putfell.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not sure what your recall is of specific shots and specific holes. But I am curious about the seventeenth hole. This was a crucial hole for you in this tournament, the seventy first hole. Can you just take me through playing that hole on that day in the final round. What were some of your thoughts, what was your strategy, and what were your feelings about the shots you're hitting?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean seventeen you pick a letter on the hotel that you like, you know, to hit over the corner there, and it's different based on the winds and all that, but for us it's you know, it's really important for us to get in the fairway because you're hitting I think one day I hit one round I hit four iron. The other round I hit five iron. So you're hitting a relatively long club into that green where the guys can blow it into the rough and kind of get away with it because they're hitting a little bit shorter of a club. So so for us, it was get in the fairway. And then I had this shot I was hitting all week. I called it my low flat shot, and just meaning I tried to keep the hands a little lower, little flatter at the top and ball flight just came out flatter, and that was as a shot I was hitting all week with my caddy, and so in the first round we played the number was kind of the low flat four iron, and I hit it perfect. It didn't quite get up the hill though, It kind of hit into the bottom and stayed in the bottom, which is fine. I mean, that's literally what you're trying to do on that shot is keep it down there in the front of the green. And so come around the second round and now it's the yardage for the low flat five iron, and again it came off perfect, except this time it actually bounced up the hill and went to three feet. And I mean, to this day is the shot of my life, the shot of my career, the five irons in my office at home, in a bag. It's set off to the side and it'll be there forever.

00:34:13
Speaker 1: How often do you hit the low flat shot outside of links golf? Is that a shot that you're drawn?

00:34:20
Speaker 2: No, I mean, unless you're in need to go under a tree or around something. It's more just it's a links golf shot that I just kind of learned, learned just how to hit, and I've always played golf that way. Is just to hit shots like I love to see. I like to see the golf ball move. I like to see it have some turn to it. And so I think that's why I've played well over and why I enjoy links golf so much, is because how creative you can be, and you can hit shots at ride the wind or you can cut it back into the wind. So it's I've always enjoyed the creativity of.

00:34:54
Speaker 3: It, given the stakes, given the setting, Like you said, you've got your four or five groups ahead of the leaders at that point on seventeen. Is that you know before you hit that five iron, are you thinking this is a do or die moment.

00:35:10
Speaker 4: I've got to get.

00:35:11
Speaker 3: A couple here at the close are you? Are you a.

00:35:15
Speaker 4: Leaderboard watching at that point?

00:35:18
Speaker 3: Yeah? Giving the stakes, just how much pressure were you feeling at that moment?

00:35:22
Speaker 2: Well, again, this was eleven years ago. There weren't many leaderboards out there, so I honestly didn't really know exactly where I stood. And because I was so far ahead I was, I just kind of had in my head to post a number, just to get to the clubhouse and post a number. And you're, honestly, you're trying to get through seventeen and just not have carnage. You know, you're if you make birdie par, that's you know, you make par, you're probably picking up half a shot on the field. So it was really just post a number and see what happens. And you know, honestly, the three, it was like a three three and a half footer that I thing broke so much played outside the hole, so the putt was almost just as hard as that shot.

00:36:08
Speaker 1: Going to the eighteenth hole, I seem to recall you taking putter from pretty far out for your approach there. What went into that decision?

00:36:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was get we that it was your typical kind of that front left pin and hit driver. Play was just to get driver down there as far as possible, and we were we were in the somewhere in the range of forty to fifty yards something like that. And to hit that chip, I mean you literally just have to hit it perfect. It has to be in the right spot in the hill with the right around spin. You know, can't have too much spin or not enough. And again it was like just a position we were in the tournament. Let's not make a mess of this same kind of feeling, right, So we kind of got the number and I said to my caddy, I said putter and he said yep. And that was it. You know, there was no discussion to it. We both kind of the same play and I hit it a little too hard, got it back there. I don't know, twenty twenty five feet something like that. But but again, just with where I was in the tournament, I didn't need to force anything, and you know, try to be a hero in that moment.

00:37:18
Speaker 1: Well, you ended up holding that that putt right, Yeah.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah. And the cool part is so I learned ain point forever ago from Mark Sweeney and he was actually there that week, and we talked about that whole location and that putt backed up the hill and just how slow it is more than anything, like it's so hard to get yourself to hit hard enough. And and I actually had a similar putt in Curtis Cup. It was only three years prior, and I so I knew the break, I knew what the putt did, and I just knew I had to hit it hard enough in how slow it was up the hill. So it was again like I've had some putts over my career that I've called my Caddie off of or it's been like that moment where it's like I got it, Like you just see it, you see the read, you see where you need to hit it, And that was one of them.

00:38:10
Speaker 1: Was there an immediate realization for you of how significant it was to win at the Old Course or is that something that has kind of grown over time as you've reflected on that week.

00:38:23
Speaker 2: Oh, it was so significant in that moment. I mean we actually stayed at the dun Veg in that week and Shea who owns the dun Veg, and she I came off eighteen and she was bawling, crying, and just you know, to see the reaction of my parents and my family, and you know, we had to wait. I had to wait for those probably a good thirty forty five minutes before I actually found out at one. And I think it was been like in that time frame when you know, I went into the locker room down in the clubhouse and had some quiet time and you realize where you are and what you're doing, and that you're part of history. Only two women have won at the Old Course, and you're now one of them, and the other one's Loreno to show us so it's pretty darn cool.

00:39:11
Speaker 1: Did you end up having a party at the dun Vegan afterwards?

00:39:15
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, Oh yes there was. What was crazy is that night they actually announced the Solheim Cup team. Meg Mallen was there announcing her picks and so, you know, I was doing my winner's press conference and then they pulled me right into this Solheim Cup one and ended up with the Soulheim Cup team there and the kind of in the back room, and my college coach and her husband were there. We actually had a quite a bigger There's about eight people. I think they're with us throughout the week, just some friends of friends of our family, and so it was really cool to be able to celebrate with them and in that setting.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: How would you assess the state of your game going into Saint Andrew's the second time here?

00:40:02
Speaker 2: Oh it's not where I want it to be. You know, this year, this year has been a struggle. I've had trouble with my golf swing and trying to you know, balance life and everything that's going on. I mean, I think of life now versus life eleven years ago. I'm in a completely different place. And you know, in twenty thirteen, it was just Stacey, and it was all about golf and how I could get to number one in the world and how it could win majors. And now you have a kid, you have a husband, you have a Soulheim Cup to deal with, You've got you know a lot of other things that I'm balancing. And I'm also eleven years older, so so a lot's different. But but the love for the Old Course doesn't change.

00:40:48
Speaker 3: Regardless of you know your game and how you end up playing. You're in the field, correct your kid? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

00:40:55
Speaker 4: Think you had missed that.

00:40:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, how I will be there, Yeah, we don't know when the women will be back at St Andrews. You know, the RNA doesn't have him out thirty years like some of the other majors. How how much you're looking forward to, you know, walking across the Wilken Bridge on eighteen again and just being back and having that moment to reminisce on what happened eleven years ago.

00:41:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's one of the things I've definitely thought about, is this potentially the last time I play at the Old Course. You know, we're not on a rotation like the guys where it's every five years, so you know, you see players like Cari Webb's coming back to play that everybody kind of wants one more go at the old course. So I'm hoping that they give us another go at this and don't wait eleven years. Because there's there's so many players on our tour, lots of new ones to the old course. There's probably very probably a handful that played in twenty thirteen, So you know, I hope they are with the RNA, they'll they'll make a play enforce to come back sooner where this is not the last walk across the bridge.

00:42:05
Speaker 1: Part of your job right now is to kind of be a scout and to be familiar with some of the games of the players who are at the top of their games right now. Does anybody come to mind as kind of a good pick for st Andrews or somebody whose game is well suited to that kind of course, that kind of environment.

00:42:24
Speaker 2: I think Lydia would be hard to not pick. Has the short game, has the ability to control ballflight. That's really creative, so creative, but I think that's the most important thing there is, being able to control ballflight and kind of pick and choose and being smart more than anything. I really think not local knowledge that on that golf courses is really important, and so I think it's going to be the player that embraces that, that gets tries to get some local knowledge, and you know, whether it's from dere caddy or getting a local caddy or getting someone that has played there before. I'd be hard pressed.

00:43:06
Speaker 3: To not pick Lydia, to be honest, It'd be pretty great for her to join you and Lorena. That's a pretty great list of winners at Saint Andrews.

00:43:15
Speaker 2: I'm off the Hall of Fame.

00:43:16
Speaker 4: So right, right, let's transition.

00:43:20
Speaker 3: Let's get into Solheim Cup, which you know is just three weeks after Saint Andrews.

00:43:26
Speaker 4: Is just a jam packed part of the year.

00:43:30
Speaker 3: You're in the you know, rare position of leading the US team and back to back years.

00:43:36
Speaker 4: What was what you.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: Learned from last year? What's the most important lesson from your first go around last year?

00:43:42
Speaker 2: Man, Well, half a point's important. I think we all learned that, you know, I learned so much. I mean I don't even know how I would pick out one thing. I mean, I thought, you know, we tried to put a lot of things in place, behind the scenes to make it a great experience for the players, which we overwhelmingly exceeded at, and give them an environment where they can be successful. I mean, that was kind of my goal, and the whole thing was to create an environment where they could have fun and enjoy it. And because if you do that, they're going to play good golf. It's pretty it's pretty amazing when you watch players, when you watch scores and then you kind of know what's going on in their lives, annoyance, going behind the scenes. It's amazing how much that stuff affects play on the golf course. So so creating that environment was number one for me.

00:44:33
Speaker 3: So your team is, you know, we're coming up on the end of the qualifying period, your teams shaping up, you know, is there any part of your strategy are you looking at potential pairings like you you know, your short list I'm sure is getting shorter as we're getting closer. Is your strategy changing at all in these past few weeks as the team is shaping up.

00:44:55
Speaker 2: No, I mean right now, we're I mean we got two more tournaments, so you still got about mathematically, I think it's about fifteen sixteen players that still have an opportunity, and then there's certain ones of those that are higher on the list than others. The team is. You know, there's been a few more changes than I thought there would be. You've had some players not play as well, and then you've had other ones play better. So it's it's been fun to watch. You know. We changed our point structure this year too, so that top forty finishes at LPGA events get points, and I think it's worked out really well because it's given us. It's the players that are playing the best are rising to the top.

00:45:39
Speaker 3: You know.

00:45:39
Speaker 2: Lauren Coglin's a great example. I mean, she's now up to fourth in points where and I feel like in our old point structure it would have taken her a lot longer to move up. So our point structure is showing who is playing the best, which that's what I wanted out of the whole thing, and it helps make my job easier and it helps it justifies things, I think a little bit more for the players too.

00:46:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you know, once the team, you know you have your automatic qualifiers. I'm sure one of the hardest parts of this role is determining your captain's picks. You'll have three of them. What goes into how you choose your captain's picks? How does that process look? You know, once you have the automatic qualifiers, are you digging really deep into the data to figure out who's going to plug in best? Or is it more intangibles of you know these this the scal is going to be great for team chemistry. What goes into that?

00:46:34
Speaker 2: It's a little bit of everything. You know, you've got experience at Toulheim Cups, that's matters. Experience at Tolhim Cups, how they play, how they have played at Sulheim Cups in the past, matter their current form as well. Like we'll even dive into, say, hey, how are they playing the last three months to figure out of say you've got a group of four players for two spots. You know, of those four, which one is trending in the right direction the last three months? Because sometimes you know, somebody may have gotten a lot of their points a year ago, but that doesn't help us right now. So so points the amount of points and how they played this year specifically will kind of single that out, and then you can go to what type of player they are? Are they kind of the fairways greens ball striker or are they more of a rely on the putter and kind of streak you with the putter, you know, because that affects pairings and what formats they're playing in. And do you have enough players for best ball, do you have enough players for alternate shot? There's a lot, as you can tell, when.

00:47:46
Speaker 1: It comes to making these decisions about captain's picks, pairings. Do you have a kind of working theory or approach to balancing statistics and then your own sense of just golf right, because clearly you have you have deep experience there that's maybe not related to just data. How do you mix those two, intertwined those two in your decision making?

00:48:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's there's definitely you know, I look at decisions that we made in twenty three and there was there was like kind of the gut instinct, you know, playing Lexi as much as we did. If you went straight off of stats, who would have never played Lexi as much as we did, You would have never put her out an alternate shot, and especially in that first spot. But I just I had a feeling she was playing better, she was trending in the right direction, and I just had a feeling that she was going to show up in that moment. So so the gut is always there. And there's there's the part too where I'm still playing, and so being around these players and actually seeing how they're playing. You know, I played played with Andrea Lee a couple of weeks ago to actually, you know, just to see how she's actually playing. And she's playing great, you know, but the stats don't always show it sometimes, And so so there's that part too of being able to see him play and how they're actually playing, how their attitudes are, how they feel about their game. You know, it's when you watch players and like they miss a nine iron a little bit, and the ones that are kind of like, okay, it's all right, it was just a miss, But when they get like super frustrated over missing a nine iron, it's kind of like, hmm, is there something else going on? You know? Are they not are they not liking where their golf swing's at? You know, you can kind of read into things a little bit to figure out what's going on.

00:49:42
Speaker 3: So we've we've got a home game this year after being in Spain last year, will be at Robert Trent Jones Golf Club outside DC. I know you were there for media day. I'm sure you've been scouting and seeing it a few times. Uh, what are your what are your thoughts about the course? Do you think there's anything in particular that's going to play to the strengths of the team. Interested to get your thoughts on how the course is going to shape up for everyone.

00:50:08
Speaker 2: Well, first, it's a great match play golf course. Having three Presidents Cups there too has really helped us and you know, setting things up and for the fan experience, for you know, getting the crowds to be able to help us out as we make our way through the golf course. But the golf course itself is gonna I think it's gonna play a little bit difficult in that, you know, a lot of off of a lot of the tees, there's bunkers in the way or the fairways kind of turned, and there's rough. But the I don't I don't think the rough will be crazy. You know, we don't want we don't want pars win in every hole. You know, we want players making birdies. We want to make this fun too, So so there is some trouble off the tee. I think it is going to favor. You know, somebody that hits it a little bit straighter, I think they're gonna have more success there. And then as you go, I mean fourteen is going to be a reachable par five. You know, there's some excitement there in the back nine, but in general it's going to be more of I think, more of a ball strikers type course. Gotta hit Fairway's gotta hit the greens there, typical Robert Trent Jones. There's like the greens are fairly big, but it's got little kind of little sections that you have to hit it into and if you get in the wrong section, you're going to be struggling to make par. So, you know, so I hope for my team's sake, I wanted to stay a ball striker's course too.

00:51:30
Speaker 3: And you know, we hear a lot for the Ryder Cup about the home team putting their thumb on the scale, you know, like Golf nationale versus what we're going to see next.

00:51:40
Speaker 4: Year at Bethpage.

00:51:41
Speaker 3: Do you you know, did that happen last year at all at Finka Cordesen? Do you plan on doing that at Robert Trent Jones this year? I feel like we hear a lot much more about that on the men's side and not so much on the women's side.

00:51:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, our officials they've liked to stay more neutral on that and not allow that as much. I will say though even last year, you know, I it was I think it was the fourteenth hole there in Spain as well. You know, we talked to the officials about after we had played the course, like hey, why don't you use this tea for the driveable instead of this one? And they actually listen to us, So, you know, I mean, Susanna and I have actually been relatively civil about this. I mean, we want the golf course to showcase good golf more than anything. But I do think they're or pushing the officials to becoming more open to helping us out a little bit to have a home course advantage. It's not going to be extreme like you saw in France with the crazy rough for anything like that, but I do think there are some things that I'm trying to get, you know, in the works for this year and trying to It's one thing to start that way too and make sure they keep it and they don't adjust tease so much that it, you know, becomes we're driving every hole and every part five is reachable. You know, I wanted to stay more of a traditional golf course of having hit fairways and having hit greens, you know, for my team to prevail.

00:53:09
Speaker 1: What are the advantages that your team has that you think course set up could kind of exploit or emphasize.

00:53:18
Speaker 2: Uh, just more off the tea. You know, I look at Spain. In Spain, there was tons of room off the tee. You really there were a couple holes that were tight, but in general you could really I mean, the fairways were massive, let's just be honest. So so it didn't really penalize bad tea shots. It really became and then you had well it became that, and then you had you had par fives that became reachable. It kind of became more of a short game contest, which looking at the stats, you know, our team necessarily isn't going to win a short game contest. We're going to win more of a ball striker's ball striking golf course. So so we're going to try to keep it that way, and you know, and just get that in the player's mindset too of as they practice and they get ready, like you know, you're going to have to hit some seven irons and maybe some five irons and things like that. It's not going to be all wedges, and the golf course sets up for that, to be honest. I mean, Robert Trent Jones is a it's not an easy golf course, you know. That's this is not like, you know, there's some holes that are shorter, but it kind of pinches in and there's a tree here in the way where you can't just bomb a driver down there. And to have a wedge in your hand, you maybe got to hit three road or five wood and still have eight or nine iron in. So so it's not you know, it's not going to play super easy either.

00:54:39
Speaker 3: Well, we'll address the kind of the elephant in the room of America and the Americans not winning since Spen since twenty seventeen. You know, obviously extremely close last year it could have gone either way. Took a herculean effort from the Europeans to retain. Do you feel any additional pressure coming having this been on, you know, a home game, and do you feel an additional pressure to deliver that that win that that I'm sure everyone on the team and involved in the Cup is desperate.

00:55:11
Speaker 2: For Yeah, I would say yes and no. I mean I want the players to win this more than anything. I mean, we have so many on that are going to be on this team that have never been a part of a winning Soulhon Cup team, which is just crazy to me, and so I want them to experience what that's like more than anything. You know, I didn't take agree to do this job just because I wanted to win the Soulhon Cup. Like I wanted these players to be successful, and that's that's kind of been my That's been in the back of my mind this whole time. And do I feel like we need to win. I think we do, but I also look back. I mean you can go back to Glenn Eagles came down to the last putt Inverness, it probably was the last two or three putts or three shots. Then you go back last year that came down to pretty much the last match. I mean, the last three have been so close, and I don't think that's going to change. I think the golf is too good now. These players are too good, and that's the way it's going to be going forward. And so now it's just figuring out how we get our players over the hump of being on that winning side of them pulling off the winning put them pulling off the winning shot instead of being on the other side of it.

00:56:28
Speaker 1: There's a big preparation phase for this, obviously, and I'm sure that you're in the weeds on that that's the life right now, Yes, but there's a very different job that then happens on the week of the event itself, right when you're leading the team during the competition. How do you see your role during those days that the golf is actually unfolding.

00:56:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I going into last year, everybody kept asking me can you play and captain? And I was like, oh, you know, we'll see after doing it, there's absolutely no way you can do it. I was tired. Yeah, Kegany is listed because I was tired. Planes will hiem cup. I was beyond tired being captain. I mean you start, you're up before everybody else, and you don't go to sleep until everybody goes to their room. I mean, it was it was non stop of just managing things, things that happened, you know, I mean my job. You know, last year while they were on the golf course, I tried to help the caddies out as much as I could. I mean, everybody talked about how I was running all over the golf course, but I was trying to help the caddies, you know, know how the wind was playing on certain holes. That was kind of gold there. And then you know it will be different in the US and that there's more events going on, There's more things that I'm going to be pulled to, so I'll be definitely using my assistance a lot more. There'll be kind of my extra set of eyes of during the practice days. You know, no one where people are at emotionally, how they're doing, how they're playing, all of that to get to those pairings on Thursday. But it's it's NonStop. It's having twelve kids. I mean, you could throw the caddies in there and you can have twenty four kids. You know, you're trying to keep track of everybody, make sure everybody's happy, have what they need, helping them manage you know, their families and their guests that have come and the ticket requests that come along the way. And it's just there's a lot of things that you don't really think about that that you have to manage that week.

00:58:33
Speaker 3: It's it's an incredible stretch coming up. Thank you Stacy so much for taking time out of your very busy schedule to join us. Best the luck at Saint Andrew's, Best of luck at Solheigh, and thank you again. We really appreciate it.

00:58:46
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thanks for having me.

00:58:55
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01:00:33
Speaker 3: I am recommending saying no, Garrett. This is a It's a busy time of year for me. It's back to school. I'm getting bombarded with the school emails.

01:00:48
Speaker 1: Oh you mean like saying no in general, saying no to people trying to take your time. Okay, I thought this was going to be an anti drug advertisement for that.

01:00:56
Speaker 4: You know, I can pivot that way for that too.

01:01:00
Speaker 3: No, I don't know about I think I think you you guys start a little bit after us, but we're fully in.

01:01:07
Speaker 4: This is the first full week back.

01:01:09
Speaker 3: I've got four kids, so it's like four x all of the requests and the school supply drop off party and the new kindergartner meet up and the park play day after they go to school for the first day for two hours and all this stuff. And you know, this year, I kind of helped myself. We were out of town last week, so I was able to just say no and have a really great excuse on a bunch of stuff. But yeah, it's it's I've kind of gotten better at recognizing these these times of year where it gets super too much and cannot recommend just cutting out the stuff that really doesn't matter and not going at one hundred and ten. You know, when you're when you've got a million things to do and it's it's back to school and it's busy with and all that, cut out things that don't matter. Say no, you know, we missed a bunch last week being out of town. Everyone's okay, they didn't. It's it's not a big deal. If other people, you know, got you know, busy time with work or just busy in general with school or whatever. I cannot recommend saying no to the stuff that really isn't that important. It's it's it's made this end of summer hectic stretch much much easier for me.

01:02:29
Speaker 1: Back to school build up is terrible, I would imagine with with four kids, even more so I have two. Brendan our colleague, get Friday Egg also has four, and so Frida Egg really has has quite a quite a broode going, you know, soccer team between you and but yeah, I mean it gets so crazy, and yeah, I totally agree. You got to you got to look out for yourself around this time. And you know, if you can at all control when you have kids, like if you're if you're doing planning in that way, try not to have a birthday around late August early September because that that then just completely throws things into chaos. You know, a couple of birthday invitations have come our way around this time, and I'm like, really on top of everything else that's.

01:03:21
Speaker 3: Going on, and party s z N has begun for us to Garrett.

01:03:26
Speaker 1: It's tough. Yeah, in any case, all right, what I am recommending this week is paddle boarding. Have you ever been paddle boarding?

01:03:35
Speaker 2: Meg?

01:03:36
Speaker 4: Last week?

01:03:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering because you went to the lake.

01:03:40
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, the kids loved it.

01:03:43
Speaker 3: Only only you know it got dumped by a wave a couple of times, so it was great.

01:03:48
Speaker 1: It's it's the one thing about paddle boarding is that it's pretty difficult in rough conditions. I've seen people doing it in the ocean, and you need like an extra level of balance to stand up on a paddle board in the But if you're on like a Placid lake or a smooth river, then it's pretty easy and you can do levels of difficulty. You can sit down, you can kneel. Standing up is probably the most fun and the most comfortable if you can, you know, get the balance to do that, which does take a little bit of practice if you're older. Kids seem to pick it up pretty quickly. But it's just so fun. I think it's way better than kayaking, which I've always kind of found overrated, Like, I don't know, it seems it seems like it should be more fun than it actually is. But then you get out there and you're just in this little kind of wet boat and and it's hard, you know, but if you're paddle boarding, it really feels like you're standing on the body of the water, like you're really just all of a sudden, you can walk on water, and yeah, I love paddle boarding. We were doing it this past weekend, and there are some places to do it in the area where I live. So that just came to mind something that people should try because it's pretty easy, honestly, pretty easy to take up. If you're in relatively decent shape, have relatively decent balance, then you can definitely paddleboard. It's not one of those it's not like surfing. Surfing is hard, paddleboarding fairly simple.

01:05:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that, great exercise. As long as the waters are calm, I'm with you on that. It gets tough.

01:05:22
Speaker 1: No, no offense to all the kayakers out there, Please don't unsubscribe to the podcast. Meg. Thank you for coming on and chatting with me today and looking forward to the Women's Open.

01:05:33
Speaker 4: Same here, Thanks Garrett.

01:05:45
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