The Top 10 Players in Golf and Why the PGA Tour Should Pay Attention to the NBA Cup

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Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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Speaker 3: And when I find my ball in a fried egg Frida egg.

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Speaker 1: The dreaded Frida egg, Frida Egg, Frida Egg.

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Speaker 2: Bride egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the hump. Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. Today's guest is the regular off appearing now, Joseph Leamania. I wanted to have him on to talk about a little bit of a cleanup on major seasons from the year.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, we just finished the Open.

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Speaker 2: Uh it was uh, you know, it wasn't an exciting tournament, but I think a really quality winner and an underrated story of a winner guy really grinding for a lot of years and and getting it done. And I don't think anybody can people could debate how exciting the tournament was. I don't think anybody could debate who the best player in.

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Speaker 3: The week was.

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Speaker 2: And and really that's what championship golf's about. Anybody that has played championship golf, like you, sometimes playing these tournaments where you look up at the leaderboard and you just wonder, how is how is he doing that? How how is that person there? And I think that was one of these tournaments and it's it's great. It was a great display from Hoylake that you know, he was allowed to do that. I don't think some tournament organizations set up their tournaments for that. And I think that that's a beautiful thing that if you're allowed, you're allowed to play that well without restraint from the setup. And I think it good for Brian Harmon. Really really impressive win and obviously takes his career the way he's thought of as a player into a whole new stratosphere and that's a really cool aspect of golf. One week can really change the way that you will be remembered as a player. So, without further ado, Joseph and I had a nice chat about the top ten players in golf right now as well as kind of I was listening to podcasts during the week A few days before the Open while I was going for a run. I'm a huge NBA fan. For anybody that doesn't know that, I'm like an NBA junkie. I listened to NBA podcasts. I like listen to them all year round. So this podcast had the NBA's Evan wash who is the executive vice president of Strategy for the NBA, and what he talked about with Zach Lowe was the new NBA Cup, which is an in season tournament the NBA announced that will be rolled out this.

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Speaker 3: Coming NBA season.

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Speaker 2: And what's so cool about this is it's just it's adding very little if nothing. It's adding like one game to the NBA season, but could have the potential to add significant stakes and make otherwise uninteresting games interesting. So I was listening to this and I just like was shocked at all the parallels for golf. And I know Joseph is an NBA guy, so I wanted to talk to him about this, and yeah, I thought it was a fun conversation and we both came up with some kind of ways that golf could implement something similar. So, without further ado, here's Joseph LEMANI. Joseph, you were on for a second straight episode.

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Speaker 3: How about that repeat guest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Steve Stricker winning Comeback Player of the Year two years in a row, right, isn't that The statistic like one of my favorite statistics in sports? So this feels similar to.

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Speaker 2: That I had an idea brewing in my head from a couple of weeks ago when I listened to Zachloe podcast where he had a guy from THEBA on to talk about their in season tournament that they're rolling out next year, the NBA Cup and h and then you know, Garrett had you on, so you know I had. I think I had the idea first. So I think that counts for something. But right right before, moments before we record J Memo, J Monahan or J Memo, we could call him J Memohn is good.

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Speaker 3: J mona hand drops a memo.

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Speaker 2: You know, Brenda Quinn from that letek tweets it out and uh, there's uh, there's a lot. There's a lot of gobbly gook in there. Nothing hugely tangible. They're going to replace the framework, the Randall Stevenson seat. They're they're making progress and the framework for both benefits for players that stayed and disciplined for players that didn't. And uh, most importantly, I guess, depressingly, very depressingly, it makes me not even want to talk about.

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Speaker 3: The PGA tour.

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Speaker 2: I mean, after everything they've done recently, I should probably feel more more strongly that way, we'll have some architecture talk next week, don't you worry the uh. He discusses the rollback and says the tour is opposed to it does not support the MLR proposition from the us GA and RNA. So quite the news there. I think for golf fans, that's a big loss, all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you. We've we've done a rollback pod before. I'm pro rollback. I think it would make the game infinitely more interesting when I'd continue to make because I think golf's one of the few sports that as advancements in athleticism and technology. As there have been advancements in athleticism and technology, the sport's gotten less interesting. And that you can't really say that for other sports. They get faster and more complex and there's you know, better athletes on both sides of the ball. But this is like the one sport where it just gets duller with advancements in technology. So I'm disappointed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just only so much. I guess. I guess the PGA Tour prefers driver flip wedge to driver wide array of irons, So that is extraordinarily depressing from tour leadership and like, frankly, I just don't think there's a lot of golf IQ over there. So well, let's move on the what actual size that I wanted to do at the top, and we got the majors behind us. I kind of think taking a stock right now is probably the most valuable time to take a little poll discuss who is the best players in the game before we get into you know, the FedEx Cup playoffs and the silly season of golf, when you know some of our views can get distorted. We're fresh off of you know, four majors and the players in a run of elevated events, and I wanted to get the get your lens. I got I prepared ten players. You prepared ten players. Let's run down our list top ten players in the game. Who's your number ten?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Going ten to one? Interesting?

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Speaker 3: How we can't go one off the vat people fast forward through it.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I would say I want a little major championship heavy. I do think rewarding.

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's what I think that It's just this.

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Speaker 1: Is what matters now.

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Speaker 2: This announcement from the tour is just gonna make that more so. If they don't support the MLR. If they don't support the rollback, and three of the other four majors are doing it, it's just gonna make their tournaments less relevant than ever.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I waited like big events, especially majors, more heavily. And my number ten is tyr Ollhatton. He's had an excellent season, really strong year. He's made ten straight cuts. All those are top thirties, made all the cuts in the majors. Three of three of those are top thirties. I mean t thirty four, fifteen, twenty, seventy twenty, really good consistent play was great at bay Hill, good at Arnold Palmer. He's had a really strong year, very consistent.

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Speaker 2: I've got Ricky Fowler number ten. I thought he had just a phenomenal year. And I'm not sure how many more years of Ricky Fowler we half. But obviously he was a factor at a lot of events before he won one of those, including LAC.

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Speaker 3: Included LACC the US Open.

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Speaker 2: But he was a guy that just kind of hung around a lot in tournaments, and I think, you know, piecing together four rounds was a challenge for rick but he did it at Detroit, and I just think it was an incredible year and I don't know if he'll ever be on this type of list for me again, but it was awesome to get at least one more year of it.

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Speaker 1: That's a great segue. Ricky Fowler is my number nine, and I want to give him credit for his win at the Rocket Mortgage again, like you mentioned, his hanging in there at LACC. Didn't put up a super strong fight on Sunday. But he's had a great season. He's made seventeen of his last eighteen cuts in events with cuts, and he's got twelve top twenties in seventeen starts and cut of this year, so really impressive, all right.

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Speaker 2: Number my ninth is Cam Young. He's had a terrible year, but I just was very impressed at.

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Speaker 3: The Open.

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Speaker 2: I think just in terms of talent and if I was in in a pickup game of golf and it's you know, you don't know what golf course is going to be held at this make believe event. Cam Young is on my list because you know, he showed it at the Open. He finished first and strokes gained off the tee. He was the best driver of the golf ball in the field and the best iron player he finished first and approach he was the best iron player statistically in the field and best driver of the golf ball. I wrote about this in the newsletter or the Friday newsletter. But I pose the question, what players in the world right now could do that conceivably do that in a major championship And I kind of settled on renames other than Cam Young.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, Well, I am a huge appreciator of Cam Young's game. In fact, I might be more of an appreciator of Cam Young's game than you are based on this list so far. So uh, do you want me to jump to Cam Young?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just curious who who do you think? And this is I went through this exercise, like who do you think? And there's one name that I left off that I almost put on. But who could lead a major championship in those two categories?

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Speaker 3: For sure?

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Speaker 1: I'd say Scheffler, Rory and rom Could. I believe Victor Howland could?

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Speaker 2: That was the one that I left off that It kind of was like I probably should have put him on there.

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Speaker 1: In maybe Brooks, Like maybe Brooks.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he can't off the t, couldn't lead off the tea bro it's unlikely.

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Speaker 1: It's unlikely. I think like a Patrick Cantley could but much less likely.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: You're over there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got Patrick Cantley on a milk carton and majors. It's just the least relevant big name player in majors. And that's why he's not on my list.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good You're doing an excellent job with these segues because Patrick Cantley is number eight on my list. He had a solid performance in majors this year, never was in contention. He finished top twenty and three of them tied for thirty third and open. That was his worst finishing a major this year. He has only missed two cuts this calendar year. He's got a bunch of top fives. I think Patrick Cantlay deserves a lot of credit. Even though his major championship track record is not strong. Still have a lot of respect for his game, and this is not an exercise fully restricted to majors, So I believe he belongs in the top ten for overall top ten players in the world.

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Speaker 2: All right, I can deal with that. I wonder who my guy in here that's like way over years is.

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Speaker 3: But I guess we'll find out. I got more Kawa at eight.

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Speaker 1: That was my eleven.

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Speaker 2: So I just I think that he's still very I think in a way he's almost undervalued at like there's not a lot of more Kawa hype right now. He's twenty six, he's got two majors. He's still the best approach play player on tour, and I think that is a really big asset, and I think like it hasn't been a great year for him, But I don't if this is the bottom. It's a it's a pretty high floor, and I don't know if you'll have many years worse than this going forward.

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Speaker 1: I am with you if I was a little more short termed, I guess and kind of evaluating twenty twenty three. But if you ask me who's gonna have a better year next year, Kalan, Marakawa or trial Hattan, I would take Calin Mori Kala. So I'm with you on that. I think we're gonna have pretty sistier Andy. All right, Who's up next? Number seven is Xander Shoffley. I have to I think talking about Xander and Patrick Cantlay, everyone does it like where they group them together, and I think it's appropriate. I have always viewed Xander Schoffley a little bit more positively than Patrick Cantlay. I think he's just a little bit better. He's finished top twenty and all four majors this year, extremely consistent. He's made every single cut this calendar year. He's got a runner up, some other good finishes. He played excellently at match play, finished T five, but was very solid that entire week. Xander Schoffley's been a really good player this year.

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Speaker 2: I guess one question I have a follow up question is would you rather play golf and get dinner with Xander Schoffley or Patrick Cantlay.

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Speaker 1: I think Xander sometimes doesn't get enough credit for how good of interviews he gives, and he can be pretty candid and let it rip a little bit. He's got a little edge to him, so does can't lay in maybe a different way, but I'd enjoy a dinner with Xander Schoffley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I picked Xander two. You know, around of golf and dinner. If if you're at pro am, that's how.

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Speaker 3: I would go. You know, if you're hitting a cool guy.

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Speaker 2: I I feel like his it's kind of like a crazy major career right where he's gone effectively like backwards. And his majors weren't terrible this year, you know, T seventeen, T ten, at the at the US Open, T eighteen, T ten, So to top ten. He was in the top twenty and every every major. I don't think that's a failure year. All right, uh so who's up at six?

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Speaker 1: This is where I have Cam Young and I've been adamant he's a top five player in the world. So I could have put him fifth year. There was somebody I had to give a slight edge, but I do believe Cam Young is a top five player in the world. He almost won two majors last year. He's had a really bizarre year where he was lighted out at all match play and he was good at the Masters, he was in contention for a while and then went through his slump, really got it back at John Deere it looked like, and then the Open Championship this year, kind of slaughtered at Tita Green and was in contention for a while. I think Cam Young going into next year top five to six name. In my mind, he's got to win on he will. He said he doesn't have any opportunities.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he he won like in heaps in college golf too, Like his senior year he had kind of like a similar he won ton In as a freshman and a senior. It was kind of like a weird career. He had some injuries and other things. So I'm curious you don't have cam Smith on your list.

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Speaker 1: I don't have cam Smith on my list.

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Speaker 3: Now I got him.

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Speaker 2: I got him here, two top tens of majors. We just haven't seen him very much. I bet if he was playing a PGA tour schedule, he'd probably be a better player. I don't think that Live has been good for camp Smith's game, but I still really value I think, like, like one of the things I think about a lot is like if tournaments kept going, what would happen, Like if if if a tournament was five rounds, Like if the US Open was five rounds, I think camp Smith would have had a very good chance to win, right, And you know, I think like certain players go certain ways, and he was somebody going up in that tournament. But he's not playing on a competitive tour, and I like I think him and Brooks are aren't aren't built the same Brooks like treated the PGA Tour effectively the same way the Live Tour is right, he treated it as a place to go practice, not a place to go try and win tournaments. And I think Cam Smith probably has been negatively impacted by Live and if. I still think he's one of the six or seven best players in the world at this point, so I have him here. He had two top tens even in a bad year, you know, and I think that says something.

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Speaker 1: Also, Augusta does a really good fit for him, so he's always going to be pretty comfortable in at least one major year. So he's got that going for him.

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Speaker 2: The yeah and LACC was great for him. I don't know how next year shakes out. It's right a little dire.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to put somebody in the top six for me. That's can be very shaky. T Degreen his ship, his short game's unbelievable, but like he can get squirrely, so I don't feel as good about him as I feel about Cam Young.

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Speaker 2: I was kind of mad that I talked myself into him at Liverpool because like when you watched it, it was Psychoh, this isn't a fit, This is not a good fit.

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Speaker 1: At all when he go to five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got Victor Haven at five same here.

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Speaker 1: Incredible year finished, was in contention at the Masters, obviously finished seventh, second at the PGA. Gave that a good run. He's just been super solid. He hasn't missed a cut since the Scottish Open of last year, and I knew he was doing a little speed training. I'd heard of that at the end of last summer. I probably should have been higher on him coming into this season. He's been spectacular and it does seem like there's a legitimate advancement in his short game. Still of concerns on the chipping sometimes off tight lives, but overall he's looked much better and much more comfortable around the greens. So really hard to be I mean, there are a couple of names I have ahead of him, but I think Victor Holn somebody to watch every week.

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Speaker 2: I think he is the guy that has taken the leap this year where he's categorically in a different class of player than he was at the beginning of the year. I think he would have if we were doing this exercise, he would have been a fringe, you know, nine to fifteen spot guy on this type of list at the beginning of the year. He's now to me like one of the most well rounded players. The chipping is still a weakness, but I think like the thing that is great about it is like chipping is technique really oriented, right, Like there's some feel, you know, there's special feel with cam Smith and Phil and players of that ilk where they just have hands that other guys don't have. But like for Victor Hovelin, there's such great ability to improve just simply by better technique and that's easy things to shore up. And it seems like he's he's he's very aware of his weakness things that are holding him back and addressing him. And I think that's like the cool thing to watch. And it's a it's a subplot of like this that class that they weren't all the same age but it was Matt Wolfe and Morikawa and it's just a fascinating I find when guys go out in the same age range and they are you know, they all turn pro at the same time. Matt Wolfe was was the talk of the town. Then it became Klum Morikawa And right now I feel the best about Victor Hovelin's game long term of the three and it's just an amazing little thing about how these careers have been flow. And it's always a reminder, who's the best player at twenty two isn't going to be the best player at twenty six, isn't going to who's the best player at twenty six doesn't guarantee who's the best player at thirty. Like everybody has these different trajectories. People improve in slow incremental growth. Certain players can go through leaps and bounds, and Victor Hoveland is a very fascinating and exciting improvement story from twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: MS Potter's been so sold to Andy, like with given how accurately and long hits the driver, he's really smart with how he manages himself around courses. Iron plays good. The putter's like, it's hard to imagine too many bad weeks and obviously hasn't missed a cut in a year, so that's kind of putters.

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Speaker 2: The putter seems and this is without any stats, but like this is just from watching him. The putter seems really solid inside four or five feet.

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Speaker 1: He looks so good at Augusta with his putter. Yeah, I have a lot of confidence when Victor Hobbin's standing over a five footer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's like, I think that is another aspect of his game where you might have been a little lukewarm on him when he was coming out. But you know, if he if he if he's just above average, if he could get to average and above average, if he's an average and above average and they're round and on the green stats, he's going to be a scary guy to deal with for years to come because I don't think I think the law game is so undervaluedly good.

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Speaker 1: Right, Maybe I don't know. I think most people I don't know if it's undervalued.

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Speaker 2: He's been I think the driver, the driver is where I think everybody knows him as a good iron player.

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Speaker 3: But the driver so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's exceptional. All right.

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Speaker 3: That's why I got too. Our top five might be the same.

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Speaker 1: It's probably the same. I've There's no player I've gotten wrong more often in his career than Brooks Koepka. I was never high enough on him during his dominant run, and then I thought his career was shot coming into this year, which, to be fair, maybe he did too. It sounds like based on some of the things he said in interviews, he wasn't sure he was ever going to get back to elite form. But once I saw what I saw at Augusta, and I remember you texting me during the Master something to the effect of like Brooks, Brooks looks good, and I kind of had to go back to some of those majors and realize, like, this is this is one of the most dominant players in the world when he's on.

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Speaker 2: I watched I watched like nine holes of a practice round. It was him, Rory and Gordon Sergeant, and you know it was I think the thing people talk about this, but there is like a certain mark of a player when you just see them over the course of a sustained nine holes or you know, eighteen holes when they don't miss a yardage on an approach shot. And at that moment, after like the front nine, I kind of was going back through it. I was like, God, he hit every single approach the exact right number, you know it was it was a five to twenty five feet you know, kind of circle around the hole that he was just powering, And it was like, you know, I think the crazy thing about Brooks two is like I'm not I don't think his driver is as big of a weapon as it used to be. Like I still think he's a good driver of the golf ball, but I don't think he is like a very really great Like you know, you watched that group and obviously Gordon Sergeant is super long, but Rory was like consistently thirty past him twenty twenty fifteen on uphill holes, you know, like twenty past him, and it's just, you know, I feel like that was once a very dominant trait of his game, but he everything else the short game when it's working, the putting, I mean, Brooks Brooks kept go when he's rolling in a major over ten footer, is it just like it doesn't feel like it's ever gonna miss and it's it's just such a it's just such a crazy career. I mean, the guy's got five majors. Well, he got eleven wins, twelve wins maybe, and.

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Speaker 1: He's close to having a couple more majors I know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like how few wins he has.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's unlike almost any other career he has. He has a nine PGA tour and obviously he's not a PGA tour. He's got eighteen professional wins total and five see that includes like challenge, it includes includes four Challenge Tour wins, the two Live wins, two Japan Tour. So let's just take away the six Excuse me, I don't want to. I'm gonna leave the live wins just as the live box don't come at me. If I take away the Challenge Tour, which was as a developmental tour, and the Japan tour, we're at We're at twelve wins and five of them are majors.

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Speaker 1: Insane, and honestly, for a while, I didn't believe in the like, oh, he elevates his game for majors, but then plays terribly. It's it is clear to me that he's actually doing that, which is a little bit nuts to think about that he can turn it on and off like that, But I really do believe he can't.

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Speaker 2: What would you take six and a half over under majors for Brooks?

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Speaker 1: I think I'd take the under.

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Speaker 3: I do too. They're so hard, so hard to win.

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Speaker 2: I figured, like, there's he's obviously had the health bugaboo, and he's thirty four. I don't have his age in front of me. Let's just say he's got six years till four. He's thirty six, so he said seven six years. It'll probably turn thirty four in the time till the next major. But he's got six years. Let's just say four of them are healthy. He's got sixteen really good chances left.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that five years from now those will even be Yeah, four five years from now, those will be great chances. Like we'll see. But again, if he wins nine, I'm not going to be shocked. I just would take the under on winning two more.

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Speaker 3: What's Hoblin's over under it? If I said it at one point five?

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Speaker 1: Like it's always tempting to take the over but but you just always have to remember.

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Speaker 3: Adam Statt has one major.

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Speaker 1: The game changes so quickly, like I would take the under.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think i'd take the under. All right, who's your number three? I'm curious.

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Speaker 3: This is probably the spot where we could be different.

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Speaker 1: I sort of have him listed as two and a half anyway, so I've got rom here.

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Speaker 3: I do too.

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Speaker 2: I think he would be I think he'd be insulted if he was here, if he listened to the spot.

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be insulted that he's number three.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty recency bias. And again I was looking at this a little more evaluating their twenty twenty three. But I mean, yeah, he won Century, Ammex Riviera, the Masters, and he almost won Mexico. He got kind of close, gave it a run at the Open Championship. It's really hard for me to argue that he's not as good as Rory, but it's they're kind of two and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I I think some of the things that and I know Rory missed the cut at at at the Masters and bombed out, But something about the the Oak Hill in the in the l ACC performances and I know that l a CC ended up being like a back door top ten, like the back door of all back doors. But something about those two performances just kind of left me a little sour. It not like at I'm very little sour right when I was talking about I was thinking about, yeah, when I was talking talking around, when I'm looking at these two, like, I just I feel like there's just a level of consistency, and it might just be that Rory's driver is so good that it you know, And I know Rom can can drive the ball as well as Rory and can drive it better in a given week, but I don't know if he drives it as well weekend week out, especially major championship week weekend week out. And I think, like, you know, you just look through and he's younger, right, He's he's way younger. But like, especially if you zoom out to the last eight, you know, majors, he has a win, which Rory doesn't. He has a second obviously from uh what's it called the open, but you look at it and it just isn't as good, right, It's just this is the margins.

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Speaker 3: It's the small.

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Speaker 2: Things that are are you know what you're what you're deciding for deciding on here with these two in twenty twenty two, no top tens, and then and then this year, you know, the t fifty ed o'kill in the back really really back to our top ten at uh at US Open.

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Speaker 1: For the record, not this year because he's been a little down Rom, but overall, I would take John Rahm's driver over Rory's. And I know that sounds crazy to people, but John Ram hits the ball appreciably straighter than Rory. Not this year, but generally like he is more on target. And I would take John Ram's driver in twenty twenty five, if you if you made me guess two years out, I'd rather have John Rams driver than Rory's.

00:33:18
Speaker 2: All right, so we both have number two. Rory, I mean, I don't know, I don't know what he has to do to get a major done. I mean, like that's the it's kind of the loomngth of question in golf. I feel like it's the biggest story in golf.

00:33:34
Speaker 1: Really, I agree with you. And it was a couple tidy shots like around the greens at LACC in my opinion, two on Saturday and one on Sunday. That three putt on number eight, Tex three.

00:33:48
Speaker 2: Put on three, put on uh On thirteen two on Saturday. Yeah, it's like, yep, little things win majors.

00:33:58
Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I like, I mean, there's not I thought there was a lot to chew on in twenty twenty two for Rory, Like, oh, kind of blew that one. This year, I think you just played solidly, didn't quite get it done. There's there's not as much for me to react to. I think he played solid.

00:34:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was bad in the first half of the year too, that like very below his par for golf, and uh, you know, he got appreciably better as the season I think. Like that's the other tough thing about golf, right, it's about it's kind of it's it's different than tennis in a way, like the best players in tennis are always the best players, right, like Djokovic, Like obviously they do things to peak for the majors physically and stuff. But and there's you know, there's hot hands in tennis, but not as much as golf. Like golf, if you're there's a lot more variability in your performance day and day out. And a tough thing about golf is like sometimes you can be fighting it in the weeks that you don't want to be. Sometimes you play your best golf for your career when it matters the least, like Kideki Matsiama, you know, six years ago when he won whatever was it, I think four of the four of six tournaments in November and December when not just.

00:35:23
Speaker 3: Like a crazy.

00:35:28
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what what happened there. The putter is never great, but I think the game change too, like more guys, more guys hit it the way Hideki hit it, hits it now you know it's it. But yeah, Hideki is you know, he's still a great major championship player. I think this is the thing with like not to go back to the tour and talking about the with the golf ball.

00:35:56
Speaker 1: I was just about to go there.

00:35:58
Speaker 2: But like Jadecki, batsy Yama is like a perfect example of like the brand of tour golf is just not for him. He plays very well in major championships. Still, I think if you, if you, if you charted him out as a major championshiplayer, he's a top twenty player, maybe top fifteen week in week out on a major schedule and He's ranked twenty ninth in the world.

00:36:27
Speaker 3: You know, like that to me, like it doesn't cross right.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, the driver can be inconsistent. The potter always is scary. So when you have multiple holes in your game, it's it's tough to compete with the golfers who don't, right, Like Scottie Scheffler has one right now.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Xander. Xander's got like basically no holes. He's just not elite, elite in any of them.

00:36:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, chegout number one?

00:36:59
Speaker 3: Is it Brian Harmon, It's.

00:37:02
Speaker 1: Michael Block with Rory's length. No, I've got I've got Scheffler. I think that's a no doubt. Or nineteen straight top twelves before the Open Championship, if you I think I'm including the hero there. And one one stat I thought was interesting Andy he has gained strokes both off the tee and on the approach in twenty one straight golf tournaments.

00:37:25
Speaker 2: It's pretty good, better than crazy, better than better than field average. It's kind of like a Tiger stat, right, that's nuts.

00:37:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he's unbelievable.

00:37:37
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought I thought he was going to ride back up the leader board to get like a t T nine. You know he got it in the top twenty five. Now you can adjust that stat like he hasn't finished. I like, it's very likely he goes the entire calendar year without finishing outside the top twenty five, which is he better go.

00:37:57
Speaker 1: Thank that bunker on eighteen at Hoylake for one of the craziest ways to make the cut I've seen in quite some time.

00:38:05
Speaker 3: With like a little ricochet off the top of it.

00:38:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, on his thirty sixth hole to make the cut on the number.

00:38:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, fun exercise.

00:38:14
Speaker 2: If you had to, uh, if you had to guess if we do this next year, if you had to guess two players that'll drop out, who would you guess?

00:38:22
Speaker 3: Hatton?

00:38:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would I would pick Hatton and Fowler.

00:38:29
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'd probably go that's hard. It's a hard question.

00:38:36
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing is, like JT would have been in the ten last year. You always like look at these things and think, like, oh, nobody's gonna drop out. These guys are the locks. Like you know, maybe will z L Taurus comes back in here, you know, maybe JT comes back in, and there's probably likely three players that will drop out. Fitzpatrick is Fitzpatrick's kind of your guy, your your boy. I thought I thought Fitzpatrick had a good chance of finishing this year in the top five, and he hasn't been excellent, So yeah, it happens.

00:39:09
Speaker 3: I think.

00:39:10
Speaker 2: I think it's hard for FITZI to concentrate with what's going on with the Northwestern football program hanging over his head.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: It's probably so. Yeah, it's probably true. It makes you wonder if he knew anything and that's why he left after a semester.

00:39:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I had to pick three, two or three from mine, it'd be it'd be Ricky. God, it's hard to say more Kawa, but maybe I don't. I guess Cam Smith Ricky because Camp's gonna be playing on live. I don't think it's good for his golf game, and and uh Xander, if I had to pick a third. All right, let's take another quick break to talk about our sponsor, ag one, the daily foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole body health. I drink ag one every day. I gave it a try just because I wanted to get more healthy this year. It has really helped me achieve that this is your one stop shop it's going to get you all your nutrients, you're the different things that you need your body. It's going to increase your energy, your focus, You're just gonna feel better, and it's gonna have a huge impact on your gut health. I think that's one of the things that I've noticed the most it's part of my routine is that it's made me get into other healthy routines, which has been the best part. So it's a science driven formula of vitamins, probiotics, and whole food source nutrients, and ag one is raising the standard for quality in the supplement category. So if a comprehensive solution is what you need from your supplement routine, that try ag one and get a free one year supply of Vitamin D and five free ag one travel packs with your first purchase. Those travel packs are awesome if you're somebody that travels and takes this they you know, they're super small, easy to bring with you everywhere. I've taken them all over the country this year. So if you want that, go to drinkag one dot com slash the fried Egg. That's drinkag one dot com, slash the fried egg and check it out now back to Joseph Lamannia. All right, let's move on. This will be this will be a little bit different conversation. All right, the NBA Cup. I wanted to break this down. So this is big news. I just think the thesis is golf should be paying attention to this. Professional men's professional golf should be paying attention to what the NBA is doing here because I think there are a lot of when you listen to them talk about the NBA Cup, there's a lot of applicable stuff to golf. All right, So the NBA Cup is a in season tournament and it is mostly in the beginning of the season. It is in this part of the season that really matters the least, that has the least amount of juice night in, night out. You know, think about the tour just in this lens. There are a lot of tournaments without juice. So this is all These games are going to be like regular season games, but they are deemed tournament games. So every team it's like a World Cup type setup. There are six groups of five teams and you know, they play each other that are in round robin format, and the winner of each group advances and then they have two second place finishers that advance. Also, they have all these tige breaker categories that doesn't matter for this conversation. These tournament nights they're deeming them tournament Nights, take place every Tuesday and Friday from November third through the twenty eighth. The only NBA games played on tournament nights will be these group games, these tournament games. So they're regular season games that would otherwise just be November regular season games, you know, the Pelicans versus the Hawks, but now it's going to be a tournament game. It's going to be a round robin type game. What's in it for the players. There's a cash bonus if your team wins the NBA Cup. So once they get these eight teams, there's eight teams that advance. There will be you know, single elimination in these games in Vegas, and they'll do these special games and then the winners get get paid out. So really, I think like the they wanted to add some sort of in season tournament in the NBA. They wanted to add, like, you know, some interest in this dead part of the calendar, and they also wanted to give reasons for people to play. So think about that.

00:44:28
Speaker 3: For the Tour.

00:44:30
Speaker 2: The tour needs to incentivize the big name players to play, just like the NBA needs to incentivize teams to play their big players and not load manage them so these games. So that's kind of the basis of this. And it got me thinking when I was listening to this podcast as Zach Low podcast. It was with Evan wash It was it was about two weeks ago, if anybody wants to go listen to it. What I got thinking about this, I just was like, wow, Like, these are the types of ideas that golf needs to have to compliment its four round, seventy two hole slog like things that sit on top of golf without adding work or burden that make it more interesting, add storylines, add points of emphasis throughout the season. So this this opened up a lot of ideas for me. Joseph, I'm curious what your thoughts are.

00:45:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first off, credit to the NBA, and this is not the only time the NBA has done something like this, right, This is this is all about incentive alignment. This is what we've talked about on previous pods, why the Betex cut point system doesn't work and how it's incongruous with some other incentives. This is all that incentive alignment. The NBA realized teams were tanking, they changed the NBA draft rules a little bit, they added a playing team into the playoffs. They're constantly thinking that incentive alignment, so golf needs to do the same. I'm really excited to see how this works for the NBA and Andy. I have like two rules I have in my life are that I don't like to make decisions at night, and I don't really like to talk about an idea I had the day I had it, because often it looks really it feels stupid a couple days later. But I had an idea like two hours ago on this topic, and I would like to present you with how the PGA Tour could do this, and it might end up looking really stupid.

00:46:33
Speaker 2: All right, Well, listen, I think like the thing that I found, the thing I appreciated the most, was they this NBA guy. He's like, I think he's the vice president of strategy, executive vice president of strategy, right, he is a high up guy in the NBA, and he came on this podcast and he's like, we hope it works. We aren't sure it's going to work, but we're trying it because we want to move our product forward. Like that needs to be the philosophy of every sports league because you need to keep evolving. You cannot allow your product to get stale. You can't allow your organization does it get stale? And nobody should know this more than the PGA tour.

00:47:23
Speaker 1: At the events. The NBA isn't fundamentally changing their core product. No, the regular season games, you still play eighty two. The teams that end up in the finals, I think just play one extra. I think they end up playing eighty three in their season. But they're not fundamentally distorting what it means to win the NBA finals. You don't get an extra playoff win or anything like that. They didn't change the product, they just enhanced it. I think that's worth calling out.

00:47:48
Speaker 3: All right, so tell us your idea since you.

00:47:52
Speaker 1: I hope that I don't wake up tomorrow and think like, wow, that was very stupid. But I'm thinking this out half baked and.

00:48:02
Speaker 2: The podcasting are built for half baked ideas.

00:48:05
Speaker 1: If people, I hope this is a starting point and we can let the idea evolve. So what I will the only preface I will say is this isn't fundamentally changing the tour's product. It lives within the designated event framework. Okay, so all right, I'm gonna start with that. I currently fifty players are exempt for designated events, right, that's what the plan for next year. So I'm changing it just a little bit from fifty to forty eight. If you finish in the top twelve, you're a team captain and you draft, and you draft one player between thirteen and twenty four one, but and then one of the next blocks of twelve.

00:48:55
Speaker 3: Okay, so you have you have you have twelve teams of four.

00:48:59
Speaker 2: Correct, we'll say it a an A, B, C, D player from last year's top forty eight. And there's some drama because they do the draft, so they could if somebody could tank into a different flight too, you know, if they.

00:49:16
Speaker 1: All that's in play, and I'm not gonna have By the way, I'm not gonna have FedEx Cup playoffs anymore. We can get to that, but I'm not gonna have those anymore.

00:49:23
Speaker 3: Well, now you're fundamentally changing.

00:49:26
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I promise I'm not. I'm getting there. There would still be a tour championship, just the top eight guys. But okay, then in designated events, they're going to pair players with a member of the other of another team. So all twelve teams, we're gonna have fields of seventy two, which is not different than now they're planning to have seventy to seventy eight. So we're gonna have fields of seventy two. That means forty eight of them are coming from the teams, twenty four more from off the team. So in the three sumes that you that you pair them, it's gonna the one the a player from one team with the a player of another team, and then a guy between forty nine and seventy two. Does that make sense?

00:50:08
Speaker 3: You know a bench guy Lori Canter.

00:50:11
Speaker 1: Right, who's not on any of the teams, And in the Thursday and Friday rounds, just the Thursday and Friday, if you beat that player, you get a point for your team, and if you beat them by maybe three or something, you could get like two points. But it builds in a little competition into the Thursday and Friday rounds. It's stroke play, it's not match play, so it already it lives within the existing tournaments. And you know, if I'm Rordy McElroy and I'm paired with John Rahm, like, hey, if I beat him today, my team gets a point. If I lose to him, Rom's team gets a point. And then at the end of the season, you take the top four teams. They get seeded, so the one to one, the best player on the best team plays the fourth player on the fourth best team, and you do a match play bracket with all sixteen guys, and that's the team final. That team wins fifteen million dollars or whatever. That's the team final.

00:51:13
Speaker 2: How would the team match play work with an even number? One of my questions.

00:51:18
Speaker 1: It's top four teams are sending four players, so you have a bracket of sixteen.

00:51:23
Speaker 2: Guys a hand okay, oh I see, and it's individual match play. Yeah, and anybody from your team wins, Your team wins.

00:51:32
Speaker 1: Exactly, And it's unlikely that it would end up the final being teammate versus teammate, because it could happen, but you have you have them spread out into the top four corners, so very eight.

00:51:43
Speaker 2: And at that point they're still super These guys are super competitive.

00:51:49
Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly, and this doesn't, so it wouldn't. It would add layers into the Thursday and Friday rounds. You know that that's going on, so the designated event on Thursday and Friday feels special. You're tracking all of that. And there's twelve teams, So you could do something like this won't pertain to the majors. We're not gonna do it in majors, but twelve events, twelve designated events plus the four majors, it's a sixteen event schedule. You could do something like that and maybe each team can like pick a home site. Hey, we want to play this at TPC Scottsdale. Each team hosts one something like that. I'm just throwing an idea out there.

00:52:23
Speaker 2: Hey, it's a neat little bridge to team golf without you know, having like to add events. I think that's the tricky thing, right. You know, there's a lot of great ideas on how the tour can evolve, but you know, it involves players going away from the core events, which is a problem.

00:52:46
Speaker 1: Right.

00:52:47
Speaker 2: My idea was more for silly season events. My thought, not silly season events, but just parts of the year with how they could do this. Okay, and you're gonna hate this. I'm just saying if we live in a world where the Tour Championship can't be changed, this is just an idea. My thought is you break the season into portions, and those tournaments you get effectively like points there. They're little mini circuits within the tour schedule. So you could take this entire silly season, the entire fall, and you have a points list, right, some sort of format where everybody that plays is in. You could even use the.

00:53:32
Speaker 3: FedEx cup points. I don't, I don't care.

00:53:34
Speaker 2: It's a concentrated area. I would I would advise a different point system, and a better one than the FedEx cup points because it's hard to you know, understand. But you use this point system and you bonus the winner a spot into the Tour Championship. So then you go, you go like still entire fall schedule spot into the Tour championions Hip, West Coast Swing spot into the Tour Championship, like, and you create these small things. There could be cash bonuses too. Basically, you create these different swings. The floor to swing is its own one with maybe you throw in another Southeast tournament there, or a couple of Southeast tournaments. You get you know, and you create these qualifiers in different ways into the tour championship, ways for guys to bypass it. But also like it emphasizes these like parts of the schedule, adds storylines. It's like this guy's sitting out, this guy's gonna play, you know, like actually he was gonna sit out, but he's adding this event to this calendar because he could. He could he could win this if he plays well. Just ways to add gamification and more stakes throughout golf that that just create storylines in weeks there aren't storylines. We like the John Deere the you know a lot of these events have de livered. There's been great golf this year, but like this stretch is a perfect example. Like John Deere Minnesota, Detroit, like they have trouble attracting players, but like for somebody, you know, Justin Thomas is played.

00:55:15
Speaker 3: This is a perfect example.

00:55:16
Speaker 2: Justin Thomas isn't qualified for the FedEx Cup playoffs and he's playing to get in. You know, like this, Minneapolis would never get Justin Thomas up there to play the week after the Open. But when you create stakes, it's really good for golf. And when you create more qualification, things I always enjoy the open qualifying series stuff, but like when you create these qualification things, it really adds to the broadcast because there's more than one story to follow.

00:55:47
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't know why you think I'd hate it.

00:55:49
Speaker 2: But because of the Tour Championship spots, well, then would you be open to maybe those being the only Tour championship spots that are given out and it's just the winner of the four seasons or the two winners, two top winners of the four seasons and the Tour championships just eight guys. I mean, that's a fascinating idea, right, you know, but I don't.

00:56:09
Speaker 1: It's your different season champions together.

00:56:12
Speaker 2: I mean it would be it'd be very controversial because then like what if Scotty doesn't win one or Rory doesn't win one?

00:56:21
Speaker 3: Right, what do you play better?

00:56:24
Speaker 1: What do you? What are we doing here?

00:56:26
Speaker 3: I just am saying, like, you could be you could be what you could be one.

00:56:30
Speaker 2: Of the best without winning a specific part of the season, if that makes sense.

00:56:34
Speaker 1: So what we're not even it's not even a season long tournament anymore. It's it's the season of seasons champions. We're fundamentally, I guess changing the league, well, you.

00:56:43
Speaker 3: Know you're gonna have to talk to FedEx about that.

00:56:46
Speaker 1: And what would you do with the majors? Would those be integrated within the seasons? Are they?

00:56:51
Speaker 2: I mean, I like what I just used it within the framework of the fed X Cup of like, hey, you know, like you can get your locked up into it into the final because that's what matters, like you know, in terms of what matters for players on tour, it's like keep your card. And then the other goal is be to make East like, right, So why don't you make making East like an integrate like be able to earn it in different ways if it matters so much? Because that adds like that is fundamentally the goal of like almost every guy out there is to make East like outside of you know, the elite elite class. So if that is what everybody's striving for, you talk about like aligning alignment, Right, that's what all these players care about. Gear your your season and the rewards of the season around that, right, And that's how you make things more impactful for both the players because like players will go out of their way to lock that up because they know they have their card locked up and they're in every tournament they want the next year. Right, that is a huge deal to get it done and get to Eastlake so instead of five players with it, right, Like, hey, if you win this like series, like the sponsors will love it. I mean, think about it. They probably could sell the sponsorship for the last spot and all these rotations for more money because it's more significant. Like, it just creates bigger moments within your liked, bloated, gluttonous schedule that needs to be reduced. But this is actually like, this is the same thing with the NBA. Like, the NBA has this load management issue and they need to the best thing they could do is reduce games. But you can't because then your your revenue is going to reduce, right, Like, no owner wants to give up five home game ticket sales, beer sales, all that stuff, the revenue, the TV money from those. This tournament was created as a way to make more games matter in the regular season.

00:59:09
Speaker 1: Right.

00:59:09
Speaker 2: The tour has the same problem, but they're with regular events, right. Their problem lies in the Honda Classic, the valspar the you know, it's not they don't have a problem with Riviera or the players or you know, Wells Fargo to a lesser extent, they have problems with their events that nobody cares about. How do we make those more interesting? And this is a way to do it.

00:59:33
Speaker 1: That's a very simple way to do it too, right, Like it wouldn't require that's an easy switch to turn on if you just determine how many spots it's worth. So I like how practical it is.

00:59:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's my idea. I think this is just something to watch. I just think the tour should be paying attention to this because it has a lot of applicable aspects of what they're These problems that they're trying to complex problems they're trying to solve with solutions. So I think, like you know, when we think when we talk about the PGA Tour, the things they can do there is like very easy little things that they can do it and it doesn't have to be monetary. Is the other thing, Like the way they've gone about this is like they think the only way to create steaks is through money, and this they that's not you don't have to do that, you can straight it creates steaks through rewards an other way and also competitiveness, right, like none of these guys want to win.

01:00:35
Speaker 3: They do they would.

01:00:37
Speaker 2: I imagine somebody would be like, yeah, I won the West Coast Swing this year.

01:00:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reigning Link Season champion. That could be a way you do the Link Season.

01:00:47
Speaker 3: Like.

01:00:47
Speaker 1: There's a lot of flexibility that that format affords, so I'd be into it. It's adding a layer of context into something that doesn't have it. It's additive.

01:00:57
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, all right, any partings Joseph on the NBA stuff.

01:01:03
Speaker 1: No, I don't think on the NBA stuff. Maybe one other different league that I wanted to plant a seed, all right. I don't think that the crossover between golf fans and UFC is super strong.

01:01:19
Speaker 2: But you're wearing a UFC sweatshirt. It's perfect branding for tonight exactly.

01:01:24
Speaker 1: There is a big card on Saturday. I'm not paid. This is not an ad I think everyone at some point on a big card, a big pay per view card. It's violent and some people are posed to that. But if you watch it, I think there are some compelling lessons in broadcasts. How engaging it is, some things for the PGA Tour to adopt. It's an unbelievable presentation and the people I've recommended it too. They generally have a lot of takeaways from watching it. So the one this Saturday is amazing, and I think at some point there are some lessons to be learned from how that sport presents itself.

01:02:00
Speaker 2: I admittedly am not a UFC guy, but thinking about the sport, there's a lot of downtime. There's a lot of like you know, I mean, there's a lot of like sparring until the big moments, kind of like golf.

01:02:13
Speaker 1: Right, it's pretty exciting though those moments are exciting, and yeah, it doesn't feel slow. It doesn't feel like the second hole. It's quick the whole time because action could stop at any point. But I also think one cool thing about it, and it is pay per view, but it all feels wrapped up into one good show versus like all the commercials are baked into it. It doesn't feel like you're changing networks and it just feels disjointed when you're watching a golf broadcast versus this feels like one elegant, clean presentation. I think people will learn a lot from watching it. So it's violent, but that is a recommendation.

01:02:55
Speaker 3: All right, so they don't jump out to like Bob Parson's yelling.

01:03:00
Speaker 1: No seriously though, and when good actions happening, you don't have to worry about them playing through or fighting through.

01:03:08
Speaker 3: All right, Well, good tip.

01:03:10
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be jumping on, but you know, if you wrote up in your newsletter, this is a good way to segue in your newsletter, finding the edge a substack.

01:03:22
Speaker 3: It's free, it's wonderful.

01:03:24
Speaker 2: Maybe he could weave in some stuff in there and I'll get the cliff notes version of it. And I don't have the nerve to tell the say to my wife, you know what, like, hey, we aren't doing something. I know, I've worked thirteen straight days because of the Open Championship. We're not doing something Saturday night. I'm buying this fight on you for this UFC fight. So with that mind, if you write it up, I'll I gladly read it and thank you for all your contributions to the Frida Egg and Club TF in this podcast. But people can follow you on Twitter, Instagram and then also your up staff.

01:04:01
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. This was fun. I'm glad we agreed on a lot of stuff. It doesn't always go that way.

01:04:05
Speaker 2: No, No, this was this was a very agreeable podcast here, So all right, Joseph, thanks and we'll talk soon.

01:04:13
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

01:04:25
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01:05:36
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01:05:37
Speaker 2: Interview, which I'm quite excited about, so thank you.