Kelsey’s 10 Favorite Books of 2023

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Movie Mike's Movie Podcast. I am your host Movie Mike joined this week, but my wife and co host, Kelsey, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I would like to say I'm actually the host of this.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say that's all I'm going to say, because we are doing your favorite.

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Speaker 2: Books of the year, my favorite books of the year.

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Speaker 1: I know nothing about books. I don't think I've finished one book this year. Graphic novels, yeah, not the same less words. I'm trying to hype you up there, but this is an important episode for anybody who wants to follow some of your recommendations. You're looking for something to read, and it's a completely different format than the movie format you are used to. So I'm just going to let you take it away and I will comment as needed.

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Speaker 3: Perfect I would like to say I'm excited for this. Everyone knows I love to read. I have a book club with my friends. I just joined Sharon McMahon's book club. I would like to give a shout out at the start of this episode to a listener of your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Her name is Mandy.

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Speaker 3: She sent me a message about a book club with Sharon McMahon.

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Speaker 2: Wh If you don't know or follow. She is on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: She teaches a lot about like government and history and kind of breaks things down what's going on in the world politics, makes it super easy to understand. And she does a book club where you have to pay for it, but you get like zooms with the authors. And Mandian sent me a message and she was like, I think you'd enjoy this. So I signed up for the spring. I'm very excited for that. I do like the book of the month. I also just signed up for Parnassas here in Nashville has like a First Editions thing that you can join, so every month you get like an early release, signed first edition of a book. And then I know in your head you're just seeing price tags roll at how much I spent.

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Speaker 1: Then I like first Editions. I think I can respect that. As somebody who collects comic books, I can appreciate a first edition.

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Speaker 3: I would like to say too, this is a safe space. There are forty books on our bookshelf in our bedroom.

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Speaker 2: That you've read that.

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Speaker 1: You haven't read, and then it's say, clarify.

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Speaker 3: That forty books that I have not read, and then countless others on my kind So I got a lot to do over Christmas break. At the time of recording, this is my first day off for two weeks. Set that out of office, I'm gonna do nothing but read, watch the Crown, drink a lot of coffee.

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Speaker 1: And we have been watching a lot of movies. We have been watching a lot of Christmas movies of Christmas content.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So how I broke this down was I have my top ten books, and I actually don't know exactly how many I'm at for the year because Goodreads broke like halfway through me recording things and it started blogging things twice, not recording things. I think I'm almost either at or above my sixty which is my goal for the year. About eight of those, including my book club books. Shockingly, none of the ones my book club read made it on to my really top books of the year, not for this year, but it's fun.

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Speaker 2: I liked the books. Most book club.

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Speaker 1: Is more like finding books you wouldn't normally read and discussing them.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we suggest like four or five, and then I send out a Google form and everyone votes so that everyone has to say and out of the eight, I think four I enjoyed and four I was like I could have done without reading this, So a fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But the same thing when you go watch a movie that maybe you don't completely enjoy, you still get some enjoyment out of it. I don't even regret the bad movies we saw this year because gives was something to talk about.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: So I have, like I said, ten books, and I have them split into two categories. The first is a combination of nonfiction and fiction, and then the second category is World War Two in historical.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know you're getting into the World War two.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to do the other category first. And these are not necessarily in any particular order. These are just my top five that aren't World War two in historical. So starting is you will have something to say about this one. Killers of the Flower Moon by David gran Oh. Yeah, I loved the book. It was a really slow start, though, so I will warn you if you pick it up and you're like, this is boring.

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Speaker 2: That's how I felt for the first bit.

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Speaker 3: I actually put it down for a couple of weeks, picked it back up, picks up halfway through the first act, and.

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Speaker 2: Then really gets going.

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Speaker 3: And then it's like page churner, but you do have to kind of get through some of the backstory.

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Speaker 1: I will say you reading this book, watching the movie, and then telling me about the book made me feel differently about the movie because the movie doesn't leave you feeling good, but then also knowing the details you got from the book, it leaves you e and more like oh my gosh. And I was like, how could they not include some of that stuff in the movie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I would like to know the choices they make, Like has Scorsese done any interviews about that, like the differences?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But it just really comes down to him wanting to make a movie like he makes movies. So he saw that storyline of like, ah, this is a crime epic or an epic, whatever how you describe it. This is how I tell stories. Let me take the thread of that story and play it out like I did and use some of the other elements. I just feel like some of the other stuff was wasted. But yes, I still enjoyed that movie.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: The next one is another nonfiction. These are the only two nonfiction on my top ten of the year, but it is Grace and that's by Cody Keenan, And this one I read at the end of January, and I actually read it right before we went to Washington, DC. So this was written by Cody Keenan, who was Obama speed writer, and he wrote it about the ten days around some really important Supreme Court decisions and the Charleston, South Carolina shooting in June twenty fifteen. And it was just a really fascinating book, like what goes into writing a president's speech, the fact checking, the sense of urgency when something happens, wanting to get everything right, like the trips he would take like on Air Force one and be writing. I just really enjoyed the inside scoop of it, and it taught me some stuff. And then we went to Washington, d C. Kind of helped pull things together. But it was a great book. He's an incredible writer. Highly recommend as a writer myself.

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Speaker 1: That kind of sounds fascinating, like I would enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: I think you would actually really like that one.

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Speaker 1: I think just hearing about that kind of puts into perspective of something I could write someday, because ever the period of my life where I had journaled everything from just my perspective and hearing that sounds interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: It was really fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I also just like learning about the inner workings of like the White House and what time everyone gets to work and where they eat lunch was cool to just it's like inside baseball.

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Speaker 2: Of the White House.

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Speaker 1: That sounds good.

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Speaker 3: Next one is Hello Beautiful by Anne Napolitano. So she actually wrote Dear Edward, which we watched the Apple TV show.

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Speaker 2: Great book, better book than show.

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Speaker 1: Decent show started out really good.

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Speaker 2: Decent show.

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Speaker 3: Again, that was one where they completely changed the book to fit a TV show, similar to like the last thing he told me on Apple Plus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that one was also aboud it probably would have been a better movie than a TV.

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Speaker 2: Show, Yeah, because they tried to drag it out.

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Speaker 1: And it was like the same emotion kind of in every single episode, and it was like where it started out so strong, by the end of it, it just kind of fizzled out. If that would have been just the movie would have been really good.

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Speaker 3: So Hello Beautiful is a story about this family of four sisters and one of their husbands, and it focuses on him and then his relationship with the different sisters. It's just a really good I kind of like to call these like slice of Life slash dysfunctional family stories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and very well done. The writing was great.

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Speaker 1: Are Slice of Life books viewed as like because Slice of Life movies are sometimes harder to recommend because not as much happens in them. It's a little more low key, But I find those to be some of my favorite ones. Like, even though like a Slice of Life movie probably doesn't have the budget of like a big Hollywood blockbuster, is that kind of the same thing with the Slice of Life book or our Slice of Life books just looked as like just it's just good.

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Speaker 3: This one, I shouldn't even say slice of life because it does span several decades. I guess I should put it more into just like the family, messy family dramas. Next one is I think I might have given this as a book review after a Best of Month episode, But it's called No Two Persons by Erica Bauermeister, and it is about how books affect everyone differently. So well done. Such an interesting concept. Weaves together one book and how it affects five or six different people if I remember correctly, And it just reminded me why I love reading and how books can transport you places, make you feel things, I love the emotions you get from a book.

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Speaker 1: So it's a book about a book essentially. I feel like that's kind of like what The Fableman's was last year. Yes, of like it's a movie about Steven Spielberg's life, but kind of told through the eyes of somebody making movies. So it's like a movie about a movie about movies affect people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very meta. You all know how much I loved The Measure. This isn't similar to the Measure, but it reminds me of the Measure in stories being interwoven together. And I have talked about the Measure on this podcast so many times.

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Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the Measure even though I've never read it.

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Speaker 3: I will say I did just go visit a friend in New York and she has the Measure on her bedside table, and she's like, not gonna lie, kind of boring. Didn't get into it, really, I was the czar friendship over right now. Like that book is a game changer for me. I'm still waiting for the day when they make that into a movie. I could see Reser's been picking it up.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say I'm still waiting for that movie.

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Speaker 2: A hell of Sunshine Productions. I could see it coming.

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right.

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Speaker 3: Last book in the fiction nonfiction combo, Pineapple Street by Jenny Jackson, another dysfunctional family story about these rich siblings born into a silver spoon family and focuses on the son and his wife and then her relationship with the sisters and the family altogether. Set in New York. It's fun to read about how the rich live in New York. All right, that's the first five Actually a dendum. I would like to live in a brownstone in New York. That's what that book made me realize. I would love a fancy brownstone on the Upper east Side.

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Speaker 2: We're in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: And then you can write your book in the brownstone.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. I don't think I have a book in me. I don't know what I would write about.

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Speaker 1: I think you do. Everybody has a book in them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nothing about that, all right?

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Speaker 1: Think about that.

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Speaker 2: Now we take a break.

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Speaker 1: And now we take a break, and we're back. Where are we now?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Now we are entering me a World War two historical fiction loosely based on real life events.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fiction loosely based on reality, got it?

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Speaker 2: Most of them are world War Two.

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Speaker 3: I think I have won. That's not the one. We'll start with the one that's not. It's Sunflower Sisters by Martha Hall Kelly. And that's actually the third in a series. The other are Lilac Girls and Lost Roses. And the first one in the series starts off with World War Two and then we're kind of moving back in generations. So it's about a family based on a real family and kind of events. The author always says she puts in details that you know she couldn't verify because no one in the family that was alive during the time is eleve anymore. But this one about the Civil War very interesting. Loved this one. Didn't think I was gonna like it as much because, as we all know, I'm a World War two girly, not a Civil War girly. But loved that. I think she's one of the best historical fiction writers ever.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know, what, why are you so drawn to World War Two above all other book Chantress.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I really don't know.

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Speaker 1: As long as I've known you just love World War two stuff.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I don't like war movies stress me out, like The Blood and the Gore. But I love and I said this some more time about Napoleon. I love a war tale about a cover your children's DearS, badass female heroine. I think the stories of what women did during World War Two, though they weren't allowed onto the battlefield, are so cool, like how they helped take down the Germans.

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Speaker 2: I know. I read one last year. Is it called the Rose Code, I think, and it.

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Speaker 3: Was about how this girl helped undo all the cryptic messages that the Germans were sending about the locations of their ships, Like she helped decode all of the secret messages that they were sending. So I just love a story. Most of the ones I reader about, like women that served as spies or helped like the Resistance and helped smuggle Jewish people out of the countries.

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Speaker 2: And I think those stories are so cool.

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Speaker 1: And you bringing up Napoleon, I still stick to that point that that would have been a better movie if told from the perspective of his wife instead.

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Speaker 2: Of a folio one hundred percent much better movie.

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Speaker 1: Continue.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Martha Hall Kelly, I would highly recommend all of her books. I have her newest one that's one of the forty in my bookshelf. Maybe I'll get to that over Christmas break. Okay, Now moving into the other four all World War two. Let's go with one that's related to my best book of last year, which was The Things We Cannot Say by Kelly Rimmer. This is Warsaw Orphan by Kelly Rimmer. And I didn't realize until the end notes of Warsaw Orphan that it tied back to the Things we Cannot Say.

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Speaker 2: Such a good one. I don't want to give too much away, but it's about so so.

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Speaker 3: Warsaw Orphan is about a girl who befriends and nurse and starts using the nurse's credentials to smuggle Jewish children out to get them to safety, and as you can imagine, that is a very dangerous role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 3: Next we have The Last Lifeboat by Hazel Gainer. And I saw this one on a table at Parnassis caught my eye. I love picking books up by their covers and them reading about them.

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Speaker 2: That's honestly how I find books.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you judge books by their cover, I do interesting.

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Speaker 3: The same way I pick wines. Sometimes I find a cool label, I'm like, oh, that looks good.

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Speaker 1: I mean going back to comic books here, Like, that's what draws me into comic books. That's how they sell comic books is the cover. Yeah, so I do judge books by their cover because you can sell in the comic book world, you can sell a book with a great cover and a mediocre story. You can't do the opposite. If it has a bad cover but a great story inside, nobody's gonna pick it up. So I mean, I gotta see that with books.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way I suggest comics to you. For a comic books, right, And I.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's like, oh, that actually does look pretty good, and then I read it.

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Speaker 3: So The Last Lifeboat is about World War two when they would take children from Europe to the US to safety.

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Speaker 2: And so these parents, this sounds good, parents don't go.

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Speaker 3: They put their kids on a boat with the idea that they're going to go to America for safety, stay over there during the war, and then come back.

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Speaker 2: So the boat is attacked.

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Speaker 3: This one life boat has ten children and a couple of chaperones and then some other people that were on the boat just as passengers, and they're trying to survive after.

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Speaker 2: The boat gets attacked.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember you tell me about this. So this is a good one.

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Speaker 2: It was really good. Again said that about all of them, but it was.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you describe a book and I can visualize it, I always think, like, where's the movie could even come out? I mean that sounds like a show too.

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Speaker 2: That would be a good one.

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Speaker 1: That's good, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Next one is one that I read recently, and I will say this one was a five star read for me. It was The Postcard by Anne Barrest was originally written in French translated to English, so based on Anne's real family, and she and her mom get this postcard in the mail one day and it has the names of four family members that were killed in concentration camps. And they're trying to figure out who sent this postcard why, Like it literally just had names, the four names on a postcard mailed to her, no other context, And so you're kind of working back through Anne's family history. You're learning about how those four family members were killed, how her mom was the only surviving member that wasn't sent to a concentration camp, and so it's her learning her family history. And at the end you do learn her since the postcard, so it's not a cliffhanger.

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Speaker 1: That reminds me of that show we watched The Watcher where they're getting all the notes in the mail.

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Speaker 2: Are they doing a second season on that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I like that show. That's that it reminded me of.

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Speaker 2: I guess I liked it.

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Speaker 1: It was exciting. Yeah, maybe it's not like the best thing ever. But I like those type of shows where you're just wondering the whole time, mysteries.

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Speaker 2: Who done it?

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Speaker 1: Who done it? Yeah? But I guess some people hate that.

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Speaker 3: That one's also kind of nonfiction because it is based on her family, like, it's written by Anne, she's the main character in it.

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Speaker 2: It won a lot of Parisian awards too.

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Speaker 1: Oh that sounds fancy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is French Paris.

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Speaker 1: French titles.

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Speaker 3: There we go learn something new every day, married to me. And finally I know, I said I wasn't gonna rank them. This probably is.

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Speaker 1: I love a rank.

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Speaker 3: This's probably as the best one. It is called Code Name Helene, and it is about a socialite spy, an astonishing woman who killed a Nazi with her bare hands and went on to become one of those decorated women in World War Two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you telling me about this one.

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Speaker 3: So her name is Nancy Wake, but in the course of her life in the war, she has like four identities and she is just this like top spy working against the Germans.

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Speaker 2: So so so, so, oh good. I loved this one.

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Speaker 1: So when you say you love a book like this, you get maybe a couple of chapters into it and you're like totally dialed in. How long does it take you to finish?

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Speaker 3: It depends if I hit the stride where I stay awake past when I'm tired, and I hit that second wind at like eleven PM, only a couple nights pretty fast, I'll stay up reading till like midnight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes I'll wake up and you're like still with a little book like going.

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Speaker 3: Or you know that I've stayed up because the next morning on my Instagram is like a review.

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Speaker 1: Here's a book review. I was like, that was posted at two am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I if I hit a second wind at eleven, I can keep going for a while. Or if I have like the day off, I can read a whole book and power through out.

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Speaker 1: Of all those. If you get only see one be turned into a movie, which would it be, I'm going with the Lifeboat one.

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Speaker 2: What was that called again, the Last Lifeboat?

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Speaker 1: The Last life Boat?

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Speaker 2: I think The Last.

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Speaker 3: Lifeboat would make a really good limited series out.

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Speaker 1: Of Yeah, out of all the books you described, I visually saw that one. I can see where it goes. I would like to see that one. But then going back to your own list, I still want to see them measure.

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Speaker 3: I think Hello Beautiful could be turned I mean they did Dear Edward and this one. There are more characters, so they don't have to the problem with Dear Edward was the book is literally about Edward, who is the sole survivor.

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Speaker 2: Of a plane crash.

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Speaker 3: We added ten extra characters to make it a TV show, and they didn't build enough storyline for these characters. How Beautiful has characters that you could expand on their lives.

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Speaker 1: So I have not read a book this year. I started the Tom Hanks book, remember when you went to that event.

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Speaker 2: You also started the Jane McCurdy that was this year too.

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Speaker 1: That was this year. I still want to finish that one because I have seen a lot of clips on TikTok and I am fascinated by your story, so I'd still want to go back to that one to finish it. But when it comes to graphic novels I've read this year, my favorite one that didn't even come out this year, but this is the year like I really got into reading comics and graphic novels was The Last Ronin, which is about teenage mutant ninja turtles, but like in a totally different timeline, unlike you would know about them, a lot more hardcore, gritty, I would say r rated. If that could be turned into a movie, it would be amazing. It would change the game. So out of all the things I've read, that has been the one that has kept me going to try to find more like that. As far as books that have come out this year, I'm really into Gargoyle of Gotham, which is a current run of a Batman story, which I think, how many more different Batman stories can they do? They're changing it here too. It feels kind of like The Batman with Robert Pattinson, but has like Bruce Wayne has a totally different vibe to him. And there's only two issues out now, but I think this will easily probably be turned into something later down the line. But if I had to recommend something on the graphic novel Side Last run In for sure is one of the best things to get into if you know nothing about it. And if you're wanting to read something current, definitely Gargoyla Gotham.

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Speaker 3: And I would like to say too, there was a book I recommended last year. I won't say the name because I don't want to give it any attention, but a listener very kindly wrote in and let us know that that one's actually not really recommended by Jewish historians. It's not honoring to the Jewish history. It's not very accurate, and I so appreciated that message. So if there is ever a book that I read and I haven't seen that it's not great to recommend, please feel free to send in kind Don't tell me I'm stupid or something for recommending it, please, But I do love to be educated on those things, and I'm always trying to read World War two books that are honoring to history and not trying to rewrite history.

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Speaker 1: That's what I like about the movie crew listeners of this podcast is everybody's cool about having a different opinion. It's different because doing a podcast like this, you're not going to agree with everything we say because we're going to have our own opinions on movies. It's just our opinion. But I feel like there's always a healthy conversation among everybody here of like, oh you like that. I didn't like that. Here's why I didn't like it. Now, when I post things on YouTube, entirely different audience there, and I just get people just hating on me.

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Speaker 2: And I will say that one wasn't even a matter of opinion.

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Speaker 3: That one was literally someone saying like, hey, they don't recommend this. Jewish museums have actually come out and said that this is not a good book. So if that's the case, something like that, I really do appreciate to be educated because sometimes in life you need someone to tell you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now everybody has a lot of things they can read and check out. Anything else you would like to mention or add.

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Speaker 3: Remember to if you're going to buy a book, try to shop local. There's always cool indie bookstores. That's my favorite thing to do. I came home from New York last week and with two four hundred page hardback books in my suitcase.

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Speaker 2: Did they fit not entirely? Did I get them back? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Because I love going to indie bookstores, So support local or support your library. Libraries are cool. Honestly supporting your library keeps them in business. So library or indie bookstores.

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Speaker 1: I would say the same things when it comes to comic book shops. I have my favorite comic shop here in Nashville, Rick's Comics, and I could easily get all these titles online or even like at Target or Best Buy who have now slowly got into selling graphic novels. But for me, I've made a rule that I don't like ordering anything online. I gotta go in and actually sort through things and search through things to find what I want to read. It just feels like since it's become my hobby, like the actual going to the place and supporting a local business as part of it too, and like it's like a small little community of nerds that go here. So I feel like it's really important to me to support these stores that I mean could easily go away. Like with physical media, you look at just the way things have changed from movies, books, music, it's all just it's hard to get people to go actually into a store to purchase a physical copy of anything with the.

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Speaker 3: Digital ones too, like a kindle copy is obviously cheaper than a physical book, and sometimes that is why I go reading on my kindle.

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Speaker 2: But that's why I get a library card, three library cards, that is.

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Speaker 3: I would also like to say I saw someone do a challenge one time that their husband took them to a bookstore and they had like ten minutes and every single book that they could carry or grab in ten minutes they got. And my thirtieth birthday isn't about a week from the time this episode is released, So do you think we could do that?

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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like fun.

00:23:31
Speaker 2: Just take me to Parnassis books are.

00:23:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can really only carry so many books, so I feel like you got about.

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Speaker 2: Price wise easily.

00:23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm looking see different with comic book because one single comic book could be like one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: I'll even let you turn it into a TikTok, I will let you make it content.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I could be down for that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so be on the lookout for that. Follow me on Goodreads. We'll put that in the show notes. Let me know if you guys have any favorite books.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Movie Mike D at gmail dot com you can DM me. My socials are always in the episode notes as well. I think we've covered it all.

00:24:07
Speaker 2: Thanks for letting me take over your podcast for a day.

00:24:10
Speaker 1: I love it every single year to tradition, and now this is its own individual episode so people can find it easily in reference it. So there we go, and until.

00:24:17
Speaker 2: Next time, go out and read good books, and we will

00:24:20
Speaker 1: Talk to you later