Ep:181 The Bigfoot Rabbit Hole

<v Speaker 1>I kind of held back in that first episode, which
<v Speaker 1>I think you knew when I was holding back. I've decided,
<v Speaker 1>you know, might as well just speak my mind and
<v Speaker 1>just quit holding back.
<v Speaker 2>I can't lie where my research is gone.
<v Speaker 1>Anybody that's investigating now or used to investigate a lot.
<v Speaker 1>If you're really getting into this field hardcore, having an encounters.
<v Speaker 2>This kind of like second nature, Like it just happens.
<v Speaker 1>We're going into places so often that they're gonna happen.
<v Speaker 1>Weird stuff happens all the time when you're going out.
<v Speaker 1>Obviously not every time I.
<v Speaker 2>Go into the field. Something happens.
<v Speaker 1>The deeper you go into this field, you got to
<v Speaker 1>really start wondering, really, what are you dealing with. I
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say that I think I have the answers, but
<v Speaker 1>I'm either getting closer to the answers or I'm going
<v Speaker 1>way down the wrong rabbit hole.
<v Speaker 3>This is a little bit different for me. Not many
<v Speaker 3>guests asked to come back on and yeah, I kind
<v Speaker 3>of held back in that first episode. Yeah, and the
<v Speaker 3>first time I talked, which I think you knew I
<v Speaker 3>was holding back. I've decided, you know, might as well
<v Speaker 3>just speak my mind and just holding back you know,
<v Speaker 3>I listened, you know, the episode one seventy eight, one
<v Speaker 3>sixty nine kind of caught my attention because I understand
<v Speaker 3>where those guys are coming from, and I've been working
<v Speaker 3>on a lot of the same theories they were talking about,
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, you know what, if Matt's going
<v Speaker 3>to let them talk about that subject matter, I don't
<v Speaker 3>think he's gonna mind if I just quit holding back
<v Speaker 3>and just let loose. Growing up the sort of the
<v Speaker 3>short version of a very long story. The way I
<v Speaker 3>got into Bigfoot was at a very early age. I
<v Speaker 3>was experiencing paranormal stuff in my house, and my house
<v Speaker 3>has a history of paranormal stuff, and it was kind
<v Speaker 3>of like this this journey through the paranormal stuff and
<v Speaker 3>trying to learn about it growing up that I ended
<v Speaker 3>up finding out about Bigfoot. It was just like a
<v Speaker 3>related interest, you know that I read about in books
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, and later on in life I ended up,
<v Speaker 3>you know, basically looking up Bigfoot on the Internet and
<v Speaker 3>finding out that people go out and look for it
<v Speaker 3>and everything, and I thought, oh, that's kind of cool,
<v Speaker 3>you know whatever. I was into the outdoors and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and I ended up meeting up with people and started
<v Speaker 3>going out researching just out the gate, and that's kind
<v Speaker 3>of how I got into Bigfoot. But with that being said,
<v Speaker 3>that was in my early twenties, and by the time
<v Speaker 3>I had reached that point, I had experienced all kinds
<v Speaker 3>of crazy stuff in my life, all kinds of paranormal stuff,
<v Speaker 3>things that can't be explained. And I'm pretty grounded in
<v Speaker 3>my beliefs with like science and everything to a certain extent,
<v Speaker 3>but like, I'm fully aware that there's things out there
<v Speaker 3>that like we just don't have the answers for, and
<v Speaker 3>things happen. And I noticed that there seemed to be
<v Speaker 3>some sort of connection with a lot of people just
<v Speaker 3>their paths were a little bit different, or they had
<v Speaker 3>like a lot of stuff happening to them that wasn't
<v Speaker 3>just all Bigfoot. You know, there was other stuff going
<v Speaker 3>on too. And so I've experienced enough in my life,
<v Speaker 3>you know that I don't have an explanation for or
<v Speaker 3>can't be fit into a little box or to know
<v Speaker 3>that there's a lot more to it than just what
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people think. So would that be said, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I let people come on here and tell whatever story
<v Speaker 3>or theories or whatever, you know, because like I know
<v Speaker 3>there's more to it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, I get it. I can't lie when my
<v Speaker 1>research is gone. I can't lie where just like you,
<v Speaker 1>I've experienced a lot of crap and I can't you know,
<v Speaker 1>I can't lie and say it didn't happen. So I just,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm tired of holding back. I decided to
<v Speaker 1>just gonna speak my mind a little more freely this time.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've got other encounters that I can talk on.
<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling that any investigator, whether it's you
<v Speaker 1>or which I know you don't investigate anymore, but anybody
<v Speaker 1>that's investigating now or or I used to investigate a lot.
<v Speaker 1>It seems to me that if you're really getting into
<v Speaker 1>this field hardcore, it becomes like having encounters is kind
<v Speaker 1>of like second nature, Like it just happens. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you're going out look, you're going into places so often
<v Speaker 1>that they're gonna happen. Weird stuff happens all the time
<v Speaker 1>when you're going out there. Not every time, obviously, not
<v Speaker 1>every time I go into the field, something happens. But
<v Speaker 1>I've got more than one encounter, like because I've just
<v Speaker 1>been doing this since I guess twenty thirteen now, but
<v Speaker 1>I definitely just want to speak more freely.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me put it this way. My show is
<v Speaker 3>not meant to cater to any one belief system. You know,
<v Speaker 3>you could say some things that, for whatever reason, open
<v Speaker 3>the doors for someone else or helps them deal with
<v Speaker 3>something that they're going through where they might think they're
<v Speaker 3>crazy or that you know nobody would believe them, or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>So I encourage you to go whatever direction you want.
<v Speaker 3>The platform is yours, man, I mean, like I said,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not used to this situation. You're the first person
<v Speaker 3>I've done this with, to be honest, so like, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>the floor is yours. Say what you want.
<v Speaker 1>First off, I'll just get this cleared out. I introduced
<v Speaker 1>myself as Mike from Interdimensional Wisdom last time.
<v Speaker 2>My name is actually Joe, and.
<v Speaker 1>The reason I'm doing that is I don't really think
<v Speaker 1>there's any reason not to use my real name. Also,
<v Speaker 1>I've had a few individuals ask me, why don't you
<v Speaker 1>just use your real name instead of using your alias,
<v Speaker 1>And I've decided, you know what, I'm gonna quit hiding
<v Speaker 1>behind my it's.
<v Speaker 2>Actually a.
<v Speaker 1>Middle name, so I'm just using my real name from
<v Speaker 1>this going forward. So anyways, name's Joe, for one, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to be back talking to you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for the first several years that I was involved
<v Speaker 3>in Bigfoot, my name was Kane Marco.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I get the alias thing. Uh, there's nothing wrong with that.
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I always give the guests the option
<v Speaker 3>if they want to use an alias or stay as
<v Speaker 3>anonymous as they want. And you reached out to me
<v Speaker 3>recently and you said, you know what, I want to
<v Speaker 3>come back on and I want to speak more freely,
<v Speaker 3>and I want to talk about some things that you know,
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to last time, and so that's why
<v Speaker 3>we're here.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>You know I've had I spoke on my other encounters,
<v Speaker 1>and you know I've had other encounters other than the
<v Speaker 1>ones that I spoke to you about. But and I
<v Speaker 1>can relay those, you know, for you and others to listen,
<v Speaker 1>you know, to hear. I'll just use an example. I
<v Speaker 1>went to Iowa probably.
<v Speaker 2>Let's say at least four or five years ago. I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember the exact date, But.
<v Speaker 1>The point is I started doing research in Iowa and
<v Speaker 1>at that point, at that point in my research, I
<v Speaker 1>just looked for what I would consider plausible terrain to
<v Speaker 1>potentially find cryptids, which at that point in my research, I.
<v Speaker 2>Was using the same a lot of the same benchmarks.
<v Speaker 1>That you would use if you were going to go
<v Speaker 1>look for transient mountain lions or you're going to go
<v Speaker 1>look for any other type of animal in the in
<v Speaker 1>an area, you know, you narrow it down to certain
<v Speaker 1>parameters that you're looking for, which is what I did
<v Speaker 1>for that area.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the area other than.
<v Speaker 1>I had two individuals that I was working with at
<v Speaker 1>the time in my career, my career field and they,
<v Speaker 1>you know, through talking to me, told me that they
<v Speaker 1>were interested in having an experience that they wanted to
<v Speaker 1>see sasquatch or well one of them was interested in
<v Speaker 1>dog man, but point being as they'd never gone out.
<v Speaker 2>In the field, but they were open to it.
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you know, well, I can't promise anything,
<v Speaker 1>but I'll take you guys with me and we'll see
<v Speaker 1>where it goes. And so I narrowed it down to
<v Speaker 1>a to a wildlife management area in that area in
<v Speaker 1>eastern Iowa, and I told him that we would take
<v Speaker 1>off probably about an hour or two before sunset. That
<v Speaker 1>I told them that I primarily operate I'd prefer to
<v Speaker 1>operate right in that transition zone between dawn to dusk
<v Speaker 1>or dusk to dawn and then through the overnight. That's
<v Speaker 1>what I've found to be the most active time frame
<v Speaker 1>for having any type of encounters or experiences. So anyways,
<v Speaker 1>we drove out to an area and I used a
<v Speaker 1>call that I was using at the time, and it's
<v Speaker 1>been productive before that to get return calls and or.
<v Speaker 2>Basically get other to get to get them come in,
<v Speaker 2>to get them to come into me. And so we
<v Speaker 2>went out to.
<v Speaker 1>An area around in the rural area, in a parking lot.
<v Speaker 1>It's not quite dark yet, and I used that call.
<v Speaker 1>We didn't hear a call back, but probably about five
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes after I made the call.
<v Speaker 2>First thing that I noticed is my instincts started going off.
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know about you, but with me, anytime
<v Speaker 1>i'm doing field research, if they're coming in, I know
<v Speaker 1>they're coming in through my instincts. Usually first my instincts
<v Speaker 1>start going off, and I could just tell something was coming,
<v Speaker 1>something was in the area. The whole atmosphere changed, and
<v Speaker 1>shortly thereafter I started hearing The best way I can
<v Speaker 1>describe it as like a linebacker running through the woods
<v Speaker 1>and you've heard branches snapping and twigs being stepped on
<v Speaker 1>and leaves being stepped on, and it just got louder
<v Speaker 1>and louder, and I started bracing myself. We were standing
<v Speaker 1>outside our vehicle and I.
<v Speaker 2>Told the guys I was with.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, look, I don't know where this is
<v Speaker 1>going to go, but if we hear footsteps on the
<v Speaker 1>rocks and we don't see anything, but we hear footsteps,
<v Speaker 1>we need to go because that means that they're running still.
<v Speaker 1>So we held until I heard the first foot fall
<v Speaker 1>in the rocks, and it kept on coming. At that point,
<v Speaker 1>all all I did was turn around jump in my vehicle.
<v Speaker 1>They jumped in the vehicle, and I didn't actually see
<v Speaker 1>anything at that point, but one of the guys I
<v Speaker 1>was with said, I don't know what that was, but
<v Speaker 1>that was the biggest wolf I'd ever seen. So we
<v Speaker 1>jumped in the car and we took off. I saw
<v Speaker 1>at that time. But that night, let that led into
<v Speaker 1>a weird night in that we stopped at a field
<v Speaker 1>down the road from that area and something came to
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the field that I was I was
<v Speaker 1>able to visually observe and it was what people would
<v Speaker 1>call a dog man more commonly referred to as a
<v Speaker 1>dog man on the edge of that cornfield. That night
<v Speaker 1>was a bad night in that whatever that was followed
<v Speaker 1>us and we were staying at a hotel that night.
<v Speaker 1>The reason I say it was a bad night is
<v Speaker 1>because a I got to visually observe it.
<v Speaker 2>It came up to the edge of the corner.
<v Speaker 1>There was a field next to that hotel, and it
<v Speaker 1>came up to the edge of that field and the ditch,
<v Speaker 1>and it owed itself right on the edge of the ditch.
<v Speaker 1>But really what made it a bad night is that
<v Speaker 1>just the feeling I had that night. The feeling I
<v Speaker 1>had that night was like an overwhelming sense of like
<v Speaker 1>That's why I can describe it as dread, and I
<v Speaker 1>felt like haunted or hunted, and I knew they were outside,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm pretty I'm pretty up until this point, I'm
<v Speaker 1>pretty stable in my how I view the world psychologically.
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't.
<v Speaker 1>Like that that e been actually made me quit researching
<v Speaker 1>for quite a while because.
<v Speaker 2>It just pushed me over the edge. I didn't like
<v Speaker 2>that feeling of feeling haunted or hunted.
<v Speaker 3>Basically, the guy that saw it Originally, whenever you were
<v Speaker 3>in the parking lot, was he the one that was
<v Speaker 3>interested in seeing dog man?
<v Speaker 2>Uh?
<v Speaker 1>Negative, that was actually the other guy that wanted to
<v Speaker 1>see the dog man. I mean that wanted to see
<v Speaker 1>the dog man. The guy that said he saw it
<v Speaker 1>was interested in just going period. But one of them
<v Speaker 1>was definitely interested in dog man. Anyways, that really made
<v Speaker 1>me quit for a little while. I quit their own
<v Speaker 1>research for just's a couple months. I did more academic research.
<v Speaker 1>But ironically, if you look at the names of the roads,
<v Speaker 1>one of the roads in that area where that hotel
<v Speaker 1>is at is called well well, it basically refers back
<v Speaker 1>to like wolf, but it's spelled like with a German spelling,
<v Speaker 1>which is just it makes me wonder why did they
<v Speaker 1>name that road that name? And we also had a
<v Speaker 1>dog man encounter in that area.
<v Speaker 2>It just I don't know why.
<v Speaker 1>But if you if you start studying maps, that's actually
<v Speaker 1>quite common. It's known among researchers that you know, if
<v Speaker 1>you look at the name of certain creeks or the
<v Speaker 1>name of certain bayous, and the name of certain roads.
<v Speaker 2>Or hills, a lot of those areas.
<v Speaker 1>Have activity in them, and you wonder, why did they
<v Speaker 1>name it that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that was actually something that we looked for
<v Speaker 3>quite often whenever we are scouting new areas.
<v Speaker 1>I've had multiple encounters, and I could continue to tell
<v Speaker 1>you my encounters, but really what I would like to,
<v Speaker 1>you know, talk on other than you know, I could
<v Speaker 1>talk about doing field research, but I think field research
<v Speaker 1>is only gonna get you so far until you dive
<v Speaker 1>deeper into the subject matter of you know, what really
<v Speaker 1>is sasquatch or dog man and what.
<v Speaker 2>You know? I know it's it's a very contentious topic, but.
<v Speaker 1>You have to ask why can certain researchers basically not
<v Speaker 1>you know, they can't have encounters at will, but they
<v Speaker 1>have gotten to the point where they have encounters pretty
<v Speaker 1>frequently in they're having encounters where sasquatch handle or dog
<v Speaker 1>men are coming to their home. I know of researchers
<v Speaker 1>that now can speak in a language that they weren't
<v Speaker 1>able to speak.
<v Speaker 2>Like, there's.
<v Speaker 1>The deeper you go into this field, you got to
<v Speaker 1>really start wondering, really what are you dealing with? Because
<v Speaker 1>you had a recent Gentleman on episode one, seventy eight
<v Speaker 1>episode and it just made me really start thinking about
<v Speaker 1>a few things, and I just really wanted to speak
<v Speaker 1>more openly on them, and that's where my research had led.
<v Speaker 3>Anyways, So have you reached a point where you think
<v Speaker 3>you have some of those answers.
<v Speaker 1>It's not I wouldn't say that I think I have
<v Speaker 1>the answers, but I'm definitely leaning heavily.
<v Speaker 2>In the direction that.
<v Speaker 1>I'm either getting closer to the answers or I'm going
<v Speaker 1>the way down the wrong rabbit hole.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, I mean what rabbit hole are you going down?
<v Speaker 3>What are you leaning towards at this point?
<v Speaker 1>Well, so, you know, regarding that gentleman's view and what
<v Speaker 1>he was saying, you know, I die, I went down
<v Speaker 1>the same path that he went into regarding them being spiritual.
<v Speaker 1>But humans, if you look at it from a quantum
<v Speaker 1>physics standpoint, or if you study the Bible.
<v Speaker 2>No matter what academic.
<v Speaker 1>What academic stans you're going to take, humans are energy
<v Speaker 1>at the base level.
<v Speaker 2>And you know.
<v Speaker 1>The latest advantage advances in quantum physics and associated fields,
<v Speaker 1>you know that means, you know, humans are basically electrical
<v Speaker 1>energy or energy or electrical energy at the base at
<v Speaker 1>the base level, as far as atoms are concerned. Why
<v Speaker 1>is sasquatch and dog Man also not energy at that
<v Speaker 1>base level?
<v Speaker 2>Also, and how do I put this?
<v Speaker 1>So you know, dog Man and Sasquatch are and humans
<v Speaker 1>are all energy at the base level. And why can't
<v Speaker 1>you be spiritual yet physical at the same same time
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're using quantum physics plasma plasma theory,
<v Speaker 1>and like the latest studies in like interdimensional theory, why
<v Speaker 1>can't you be one and why can't you be both
<v Speaker 1>at the same time? Basically, what is why can't Sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>and dog Man exist in our dimension yet be able
<v Speaker 1>to cross into whatever other dimension they're coming from or
<v Speaker 1>they go to when they're not in this one. The
<v Speaker 1>reason I go down that path is, you know, you're
<v Speaker 1>probably I'm not gonna be the first person to say
<v Speaker 1>this to you, but many researchers talk about them being
<v Speaker 1>able to cloak or you know the famous story of this,
<v Speaker 1>which isn't really a famous story in that it's happened to.
<v Speaker 2>Them altiple researchers.
<v Speaker 1>It's just one story has been talked about more publicly,
<v Speaker 1>and that they talk about the snow tracks that disappear
<v Speaker 1>into the open field. You know, how did those tracks
<v Speaker 1>just end? Where did that where did that that specimen
<v Speaker 1>go to.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't. There's no tree there, there was no
<v Speaker 2>hole in the ground. The tracks just stopped in the
<v Speaker 2>middle of a field. I know that.
<v Speaker 1>When you start getting into this subject matter, I was
<v Speaker 1>not comfortable initially going down this rabbit hole. The only
<v Speaker 1>reason I was even willing to start really getting into
<v Speaker 1>it more heavily is when I started looking at it
<v Speaker 1>more from the standpoint of quantum physics and you know,
<v Speaker 1>plasma theory and interdimensional theory, and that there is actually
<v Speaker 1>science behind this.
<v Speaker 2>It's not just crazy talk.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there is science behind it. There is study into
<v Speaker 3>different states of matter and things that can actually change
<v Speaker 3>their state of matter independently where they do become different things.
<v Speaker 3>And so the next step in that would be what
<v Speaker 3>you're talking about, something that would be able to basically
<v Speaker 3>be two different states at the same time.
<v Speaker 2>You know.
<v Speaker 1>The other thing that makes me think about it is
<v Speaker 1>how is it that we have witnesses or we have
<v Speaker 1>investigators that talk about they materialized on my roof. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't see them on camera across my yard. I didn't
<v Speaker 1>visually observe them around my house, but they're on my
<v Speaker 1>roof as if they originated on their roof. Now, obviously
<v Speaker 1>you have to dive into that incident and rule out
<v Speaker 1>them crossing in to that property from the woods and
<v Speaker 1>make sure that they didn't just climb up on the roof.
<v Speaker 1>But there's been multiple I don't know about you, but
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken to multiple witnesses that have said that they
<v Speaker 1>just basically were They didn't see them on their cameras.
<v Speaker 1>I've had at least two that had cameras around their
<v Speaker 1>house and they didn't see the specimen on their cameras,
<v Speaker 1>and it was as if it just appeared on their
<v Speaker 1>roof and it was walking around on their roof. Which
<v Speaker 1>is why another incidents like that, or the tracks disappearing
<v Speaker 1>in the field and other experiences that I've had in
<v Speaker 1>the field, is why I started going down this rabbit hole,
<v Speaker 1>which you know, once you really start digging into it,
<v Speaker 1>if they are let's say there they are, and that
<v Speaker 1>they are, they have the ability to move between this
<v Speaker 1>and another dimension. If you study other academic texts, it
<v Speaker 1>leads you into questions regarding the fallen Basically, our Sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>and dogmens origins origins from the fallen via, potentially the
<v Speaker 1>nephilim Via, possibly genetic alterations, which then that gets into
<v Speaker 1>people arguing about or is the alien subject matter and
<v Speaker 1>the demon subject matter?
<v Speaker 2>Is that separate?
<v Speaker 1>But if aliens are possibly interdimensional, which you know, we're
<v Speaker 1>going way way down the rabbit hole now, could it
<v Speaker 1>be that the aliens are actually what is written in
<v Speaker 1>the Bible as the fall and as in they're the
<v Speaker 1>same basically that there is no difference between the two.
<v Speaker 1>Is the spiritual world in the in the via the
<v Speaker 1>interdimensional theory tied into alien academic theory and the whole
<v Speaker 1>subject changes when you really start to think about the
<v Speaker 1>subject and look at the you know, the associated academic
<v Speaker 1>texts like and in the.
<v Speaker 2>Time and the world's changing.
<v Speaker 1>That's the only reason I'm really even willing to speak
<v Speaker 1>on this openly in that, you know, we had a
<v Speaker 1>congressman recently on Joe rogan and and Paulina Luna talking
<v Speaker 1>about interdimensional theory, and there was another channel that talks
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he wants me to say, modern
<v Speaker 1>mysticism is YouTube channel, and he talks about interdimensional theory
<v Speaker 1>and plasma theory, which if you listen to those episodes
<v Speaker 1>and you actually study the science, how can you not
<v Speaker 1>know for sure that sasquatch, dog man, angels, demons, aliens
<v Speaker 1>are not interconnected in some way.
<v Speaker 3>Do you think they're connected or do you think they
<v Speaker 3>are the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't I really don't know that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the answer to that one.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they're the same thing or they're
<v Speaker 1>interconnected in some way, and that they're separate entities that
<v Speaker 1>are all interrelated in some form, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Because let's just pull the band aid off real quick. Earlier,
<v Speaker 3>whenever you were talking about the encounter you had in
<v Speaker 3>Iowa with those other guys, you talked about going out
<v Speaker 3>to an area looking for cryptids.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>You didn't say bigfoot and you didn't say dog man,
<v Speaker 3>you said cryptids.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>Whenever you start looking for these areas, once you figured
<v Speaker 3>out these are the areas to go to, and you
<v Speaker 3>start going to those areas, it's not just one thing
<v Speaker 3>that shows up there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, So are all of these different things just attracted
<v Speaker 3>to the same you know land. I mean that's kind
<v Speaker 3>of weird to think. So, you know, so what's going
<v Speaker 3>on here? Is this like, well, yeah, all fish live
<v Speaker 3>in water? I mean, are these things coming from the
<v Speaker 3>same place. Are they being drawn to the same thing?
<v Speaker 3>Are they somehow drawn from our own consciousness?
<v Speaker 1>Which is possible depending on who you you know, who
<v Speaker 1>you study. You know, there's definitely academics that are moving
<v Speaker 1>towards the theory of you know, I can't even really
<v Speaker 1>speak on it without watching in the video again, but basically,
<v Speaker 1>you know, you make your own reality, right.
<v Speaker 3>And there's a lot of people you were talking about,
<v Speaker 3>you know, modern alien theory for a lack of a
<v Speaker 3>better term, how UFOs aren't necessarily you know, these these
<v Speaker 3>spacecraft from the deep reaches of space, but maybe they're
<v Speaker 3>into inner dimensional There's been observed documented sightings of UFOs
<v Speaker 3>where they have seemed to be fluid in nature or
<v Speaker 3>made out of some sort of non solid material, where
<v Speaker 3>they're constantly changing shape and frequency and everything else. And
<v Speaker 3>there's definitely people out there who somehow either manifest or
<v Speaker 3>call in or UFOs aliens whatever you want to call it, telepathically,
<v Speaker 3>psychically through meditation. I don't really know what label to
<v Speaker 3>put on it, but it's not it's no longer little
<v Speaker 3>green men in flying spaceships.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, so.
<v Speaker 1>You know, since I'm talking more freely, you know I've
<v Speaker 1>gotten to the point personally that I can lay in bed.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that I can do this in
<v Speaker 1>the middle of a city, although because I've not tested
<v Speaker 1>it yet, but I can. I can lay in bed
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of its town or the edge of
<v Speaker 1>a suburban area. And I don't know why. I can't
<v Speaker 1>explain it, and it doesn't happen all the time, but
<v Speaker 1>it's not uncommon for them to come to me. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not talking about aliens. I'm talking about I don't I
<v Speaker 1>don't think i've ever I may or may not have
<v Speaker 1>seen whatever you want to call them, UFOs or unidentifying
<v Speaker 1>but aerial phenomenon.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know UAPs. I don't know what term they're
<v Speaker 2>using anymore. I may or may not have seen that
<v Speaker 2>at some point.
<v Speaker 1>But I can say for sure that it's not uncommon
<v Speaker 1>for me at times to have dog band sasquatch. I
<v Speaker 1>don't go outside to go ask which one is out there,
<v Speaker 1>but it's not uncommon for me to be laying in
<v Speaker 1>bed and I know they're there because my instincts tell
<v Speaker 1>me they're there. For one two, who else is tapping
<v Speaker 1>on the window? Who else is tapping on the side
<v Speaker 1>of the house and not showing up on camera. Who
<v Speaker 1>else is showing is tapping on the side of the
<v Speaker 1>house and not tripping the security measures that I've taken
<v Speaker 1>because because of the field that I've gotten into, I
<v Speaker 1>do take certain persecurity measures to.
<v Speaker 2>Rule out humans.
<v Speaker 1>Now, either I'm dealing with the one of the smartest
<v Speaker 1>freaking humans that I've dealt with that is trained in
<v Speaker 1>special forces military, you know, ex military, or it's something
<v Speaker 1>it's sasquatch or dog man or something else tapping on
<v Speaker 1>the side of the house.
<v Speaker 2>And why am I able.
<v Speaker 1>To essentially call them in at this point? And I
<v Speaker 1>don't know how I'm doing it. I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>I psychic or whatever you want to call it. But
<v Speaker 1>it's not uncommon for me at this point, and I
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I've gotten to that point. But it's
<v Speaker 1>also not unheard of. It's not like I'm the only
<v Speaker 1>researcher that is able to do that.
<v Speaker 2>I know several that that happens too.
<v Speaker 1>That you know, they feel as if they're being visited
<v Speaker 1>regularly by cryptids. We'll just calling cryptids, and why are
<v Speaker 1>they coming. I don't know why are certain individuals able
<v Speaker 1>to call them in I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>And do you have any theories?
<v Speaker 1>I mean I do, I mean going down the rabbit
<v Speaker 1>hole that I was already going down. It got me
<v Speaker 1>into thinking about how do we not know that we
<v Speaker 1>as modern humans just lost knowledge as a broader population
<v Speaker 1>on how to navigate the true depths of our abilities,
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it seems the ancient popular the ancient
<v Speaker 1>populations of humans were more open and in a broader
<v Speaker 1>sense to discuss these topics and to go down this
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole, because it's as if times are changing. Because
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until the last four or five years that
<v Speaker 1>I really started.
<v Speaker 2>Hearing that many people talk about this, And.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't within the last year to six months that
<v Speaker 1>I've heard it enough that I'm willing to talk about
<v Speaker 1>it openly.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I know for sure, but I
<v Speaker 2>heard one gentleman talk about.
<v Speaker 1>That we live potentially in a fractical, a practical, fractal
<v Speaker 1>holographic universe which everything in a single place contains the
<v Speaker 1>whole of the universe, which you have to dive. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not going to explaund I'm not going to expound on
<v Speaker 1>that theory. But who's to say that that gentleman's not wrong.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, who's to say he's not right about that?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, but it just seems like sasquatching
<v Speaker 1>dog man. You know, if you want to go even
<v Speaker 1>further into angels, demons can manipulate energy to move around
<v Speaker 1>between this dimension where we're at and wherever they're going
<v Speaker 1>or coming from. If you dive into plasma theory while
<v Speaker 1>studying sasquatch an ancient religious texts such as the you know,
<v Speaker 1>the Book of Enoch, you can start how you can
<v Speaker 1>start seeing how it's possibly.
<v Speaker 2>Interrelated, which.
<v Speaker 1>If you you know, you study that and then you
<v Speaker 1>also bring you know, integrate morality into you can start
<v Speaker 1>getting into like the concepts of light and darkness, good
<v Speaker 1>and evil.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you.
<v Speaker 1>Can start speculating on sasquatching dog man themselves.
<v Speaker 2>Are they good? Are they evil?
<v Speaker 1>Are they divided between the boats? Do they have the
<v Speaker 1>will to choose between? Are they good? Are they bad?
<v Speaker 1>Are they of the light? Are they of the darkness?
<v Speaker 1>But if you speak to you know, indigenous on indigenous beliefs,
<v Speaker 1>you can see how you can see why they call
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch and dog man of the shadow, you know, or
<v Speaker 1>they're not of the shadow.
<v Speaker 2>It depends on what tribe you speak to, but which
<v Speaker 2>going down there?
<v Speaker 1>You know, going down that subject, you know, why did
<v Speaker 1>the seminole refer to them as the ones that make
<v Speaker 1>you forget? How can sasquatch make you forget? If they
<v Speaker 1>don't have powers to make you forget? I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if I've gotten answers, but I definitely feel as if
<v Speaker 1>going down this rabbit hole, I'm going in the right
<v Speaker 1>direction only because I'm not saying that they're not physical,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm starting to question what does physical mean? Just
<v Speaker 1>because your body's physical in this on this plane, why
<v Speaker 1>does that Why does that mean that it can't transition?
<v Speaker 3>So here's a question, and this isn't necessarily directed at you,
<v Speaker 3>it's just something for everyone to think about. If you
<v Speaker 3>are of the belief that ghosts exists, and that ghosts
<v Speaker 3>are the spirit of the former living, whether it be
<v Speaker 3>a person or an animal or whatever, at one point
<v Speaker 3>in time, that person was a physical being. After they
<v Speaker 3>passed away, they became a spiritual being. If you believe
<v Speaker 3>that that's possible, why can you not entertain the idea
<v Speaker 3>that they're There might be things out there that don't
<v Speaker 3>have to pass away to accomplish that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I definitely, I definitely can understand that for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why it's hard for others to see that,
<v Speaker 1>but it is definitely not an easy subject matter for many.
<v Speaker 3>I mean you spoke on the idea that we forgot
<v Speaker 3>abilities that we once had. Yeah, if you think about
<v Speaker 3>things like ancient Egypt and the Great Pyramids and all that,
<v Speaker 3>and how we still to this day debate and try
<v Speaker 3>to figure out like how are those things made? And
<v Speaker 3>we just can't wrap our heads around the idea that
<v Speaker 3>like humans could do that back then. We find it
<v Speaker 3>difficult to do that sort of thing today with modern tools.
<v Speaker 3>So how did people back then do it? Without those
<v Speaker 3>modern tools? Would it have even been possible?
<v Speaker 2>There?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the theories are all over the place whenever
<v Speaker 3>it comes to that subject, And oftentimes I have pondered
<v Speaker 3>whenever it comes to Bigfoot and other cryptids and the
<v Speaker 3>paranormal and you know, aliens and all that sort of thing,
<v Speaker 3>why are we so fascinated with it? Why are we
<v Speaker 3>so interested in trying to figure it out and hold
<v Speaker 3>on to it? I mean, take Bigfoot as an example.
<v Speaker 3>Bigfoots everywhere it's used in advertising marketing. There's people with
<v Speaker 3>Bigfoot stickers on their cars everywhere. And we're not talking
<v Speaker 3>about bigfoot researchers. These are just everyday people. They use
<v Speaker 3>it in television commercials, you know, jack links and all that.
<v Speaker 3>Why they don't do that with other cryptids?
<v Speaker 2>So why Bigfoot?
<v Speaker 3>Is it possible looking back at the stories of the
<v Speaker 3>Native Americans, how some tribes, you know, the way that
<v Speaker 3>they talk about Bigfoot, for instance, that they're just the others,
<v Speaker 3>the other people, and that at one time humans had
<v Speaker 3>a peaceful existence with Bigfoot and it coexisted and would
<v Speaker 3>communicate with one another. Maybe they kept their distance a
<v Speaker 3>little bit, but they were still fully aware of one another,
<v Speaker 3>and Bigfoot didn't hide from us. Basically, Yeah, So is
<v Speaker 3>it possible that, like, you know, the the interest that
<v Speaker 3>we have in all this subject matter is because part
<v Speaker 3>of our psyche remembers those times and remembers those abilities,
<v Speaker 3>and we're trying to hold on to it and we
<v Speaker 3>just can't quite put our finger on it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's quite possible, which, you know, going into that
<v Speaker 1>and related to what I was talking about earlier, you know,
<v Speaker 1>there's also the theory that you know, I don't know
<v Speaker 1>exactly the details on it, because I I still am
<v Speaker 1>researching it myself, but that humans and you know sasquatch.
<v Speaker 2>Are they not only.
<v Speaker 1>Were we living side by side at one point, but
<v Speaker 1>you got to get into well, what's the origins of
<v Speaker 1>humans and sasquatch? And are sasquatch the genetically modified or
<v Speaker 1>is it humans that are genetic possibly genetically modified? If
<v Speaker 1>you want to consider the Bible and the Book of
<v Speaker 1>Knock and get into the fallen which you know, that
<v Speaker 1>opens up a whole different rabbit hole in itself if
<v Speaker 1>you really want to study, you know, the apocryphal and
<v Speaker 1>figure out truly what are they, you know, the origins
<v Speaker 1>of humans and sasquatch and did we live together at
<v Speaker 1>one point?
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I.
<v Speaker 1>Don't know about you, but to think that potential, to
<v Speaker 1>think about the potential that you know, humans were the
<v Speaker 1>ones that were genetically modified and it's not. And that's
<v Speaker 1>the reason our brains were able to advance as fast
<v Speaker 1>as they did. And that's why they can't explain how
<v Speaker 1>we made the jump from basically monkeys to humans as
<v Speaker 1>fast as we did.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>You know, that just opens up a whole different ballpark
<v Speaker 1>of questions and I don't know the answer to that one.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer to the origins of humans
<v Speaker 1>and where did sasquatch come from? But I've definitely considered
<v Speaker 1>did humans and sasquatch once, you know, dwell together and
<v Speaker 1>it's only over time that sasquatch of withdrawn into the
<v Speaker 1>more rural areas. But then that also gets into if
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch do have the if humans and sasquatch did intermix
<v Speaker 1>amongst themselves in ancient times and sasquatch over time withdrew
<v Speaker 1>which you know, you talk to many indigenous about the subject.
<v Speaker 2>They do speak on. They're just the other people.
<v Speaker 1>If sasquatch has the abilities that we're talking about, why
<v Speaker 1>can't humans have that ability?
<v Speaker 2>We just don't know it.
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're going down that rabbit hole, if we
<v Speaker 3>look at nature, if we look at the animal kingdom, okay,
<v Speaker 3>separate the humans from it. If you remove humans from
<v Speaker 3>the earth and you look at the animals that are
<v Speaker 3>left and you look at primates and you think, okay, Well,
<v Speaker 3>as a designer, if I'm designing the next level up
<v Speaker 3>from there, what does that thing look like? And in
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, it looks like a bigfoot it does not
<v Speaker 3>look like a human. In my opinion, there is a
<v Speaker 3>huge gap between everything on the planet and then humans,
<v Speaker 3>which to me seems really strange. It also seems strange
<v Speaker 3>that we have found, you know, skeletal remains and artifacts
<v Speaker 3>and everything from other humans and human type species that
<v Speaker 3>just no longer exist. I know that's possible, but I
<v Speaker 3>also know that that also sounds like feld experiments that
<v Speaker 3>have been discarded and moved on from. Yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I know, and we're just talking. You know, nobody needs
<v Speaker 3>to get their panties in a wad. We're just talking.
<v Speaker 3>We don't have the answers, but these are interesting things
<v Speaker 3>to think about and then to take it a step further.
<v Speaker 3>You know, sometimes in science, especially whenever you're talking about
<v Speaker 3>things like genetic modifications and all that, we're starting to
<v Speaker 3>learn as humans how to turn certain things on and
<v Speaker 3>off in the genetic coding before something's ever born. There's
<v Speaker 3>something's more advanced than us that created us. Who says
<v Speaker 3>they didn't do the same thing to us and just
<v Speaker 3>turned off those abilities. And maybe in some of society,
<v Speaker 3>some people still have a little bit of fragments left,
<v Speaker 3>still have a little bit of the abilities left it's
<v Speaker 3>not turned off quite all the way. The handle on
<v Speaker 3>the faucet isn't turned all the way off. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's possible that for some people they have figured
<v Speaker 3>out how to start turning it back on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quite you know.
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, me and you have thought about a lot of
<v Speaker 1>the same things.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, the Book of Enoch was years ago. Like Book
<v Speaker 3>of Enoch should be required reading for all bigfoot researchers,
<v Speaker 3>and you know that should be in like the first grade.
<v Speaker 2>Yeap.
<v Speaker 1>It also makes me think about I don't know about you,
<v Speaker 1>but if you noticed, which I'm kind of hesitant to
<v Speaker 1>say this, but it is the truth that any researchers
<v Speaker 1>that go too deep down this rabbit hole, some of
<v Speaker 1>them tend to meet questionable fates that speak too openly
<v Speaker 1>on this topic. But you might want to remove this
<v Speaker 1>part from our just our talk. But I'm just asking,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you're asking. There was an investigation that
<v Speaker 1>I was a part of, and one of my best
<v Speaker 1>friends was also involved in this investigation, and we were
<v Speaker 1>talking recently. Out of the entire group of people that
<v Speaker 1>we're part of this thing, several of them are no
<v Speaker 1>longer with us, and the majority of the others have
<v Speaker 1>suffered greatly health wise and had, for lack of better words,
<v Speaker 1>near death experiences, including myself. I only started I only
<v Speaker 1>asked that question because I'm not going to mention a
<v Speaker 1>certain researcher's name. But you know, there was a researcher
<v Speaker 1>that was talking about this subject, not quite as in
<v Speaker 1>depth as we are right now, but they were definitely
<v Speaker 1>talking about how Sasquatch could be spiritual, and they were
<v Speaker 1>bringing the Book of Enoch and the Bible into it,
<v Speaker 1>and there were a pretty well known researcher to at
<v Speaker 1>least other researchers, and they had a heart attack, which
<v Speaker 1>you know, many of the people listening are probably going
<v Speaker 1>to figure out who I'm talking about. But that, together
<v Speaker 1>with a few other occurrences, just made me wonder, well,
<v Speaker 1>are we going down the right path? And we're not
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be really poking around this path that much,
<v Speaker 1>which is why I was not using my real name
<v Speaker 1>until now. But I've just decided to pull the vand
<v Speaker 1>aid off and just send it and just talk openly
<v Speaker 1>because other people are talking openly about the subject matter.
<v Speaker 1>Not everyone has had a negative repercussion from just talking,
<v Speaker 1>because that's all we're doing.
<v Speaker 2>We're just talking.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, obviously, you know, people have heart attacks, that's
<v Speaker 3>a thing. You know, illness happens, Things happen. But there
<v Speaker 3>is you know, a rumor amongst researchers and people involved
<v Speaker 3>in encrypted research about the Bigfoot curse and everything. And
<v Speaker 3>it was one of the first things I was ever
<v Speaker 3>told about. I was told about a particular researcher that vanished.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows what happened to them. And it was a woman.
<v Speaker 3>Nobody knows what happened to her.
<v Speaker 2>She just vanished.
<v Speaker 3>There have been a number of researchers that have passed
<v Speaker 3>away untimely deaths, seemingly out of nowhere. You know, there's
<v Speaker 3>rumors of being approached by you know, unidentified figures representing
<v Speaker 3>unofficial government agencies. There's all kinds of talk.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to continue to do my field research
<v Speaker 1>only because I enjoy doing the field research.
<v Speaker 2>I enjoy.
<v Speaker 1>Having these experiences, and maybe one day, if I continue
<v Speaker 1>to do it, I'll get answers that I'm seeking. But
<v Speaker 1>even if I don't get the answers that I'm seeking,
<v Speaker 1>I still enjoy having the encounters and having the experiences
<v Speaker 1>that I have, only because For me, I've found that
<v Speaker 1>when it gets too intense for myself, I have a
<v Speaker 1>way to make it tom down. Just put it that
<v Speaker 1>way when it comes to dealing with sasquatch, dog man,
<v Speaker 1>whatever the heck I'm dealing with. But I just don't know,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was talking about it before with you.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if a lot of researchers truly understand
<v Speaker 1>what they're messing with when they get into this field,
<v Speaker 1>because you know, they think we're just you know, you're
<v Speaker 1>just chasing a big hairy ape around the woods. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, to a certain extent, you are just
<v Speaker 1>chasing a big hairy ape around the woods.
<v Speaker 2>But if you chase that big hairy ape.
<v Speaker 1>Around the woods long enough, you're gonna start noticing some
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff like we've noticed. And then that gets you
<v Speaker 1>down into other subject matter of where did it go?
<v Speaker 1>Why did it suddenly just vanish on the edge of
<v Speaker 1>that swamp or the edge of that in the middle
<v Speaker 1>of that field.
<v Speaker 2>Why have we seen I don't know about you, but
<v Speaker 2>well you've probably dealt with this.
<v Speaker 1>Why can we not get a crisp freaking picture of them?
<v Speaker 2>No matter what we do. I don't know about you.
<v Speaker 1>But I've tried and tried to get a good image,
<v Speaker 1>and it's as if which that gets in the same
<v Speaker 1>thing with you know, you talk to researchers and they
<v Speaker 1>talk about, Hey, my batteries got drained, my batteries are
<v Speaker 1>being drained. Well, okay, well if you study EMF, which
<v Speaker 1>gets interrelated back into quantum physics, gets interrelated back into
<v Speaker 1>plasma theory, which gets interrelated back into everything we were
<v Speaker 1>just talking about. If you study that, they could potentially
<v Speaker 1>have the ability to affect batteries, But why could they
<v Speaker 1>not also have the ability to either A affect cameras
<v Speaker 1>or B you can't get a clear image of them
<v Speaker 1>because they have the ability to cloak themselves on demand.
<v Speaker 1>And when you're taking that picture, are they cloaking or
<v Speaker 1>are they transitioning from this dimension to another at that moment.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answers to that, but I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to continue chasing the answers, even though I'm getting to
<v Speaker 1>the point now that either A I don't know if
<v Speaker 1>I really truly want the answers and I just enjoy
<v Speaker 1>doing the field work, or B if I really do
<v Speaker 1>get the answers, I don't know if I would even
<v Speaker 1>speak openly on them. If you understand where I'm going
<v Speaker 1>with that.
<v Speaker 3>One, Yeah, I mean the honest question is if you
<v Speaker 3>went deep enough into this subject and you reached a
<v Speaker 3>point where you knew, you knew for a fact, this
<v Speaker 3>is not just an undiscovered primate, how would you bring
<v Speaker 3>that information back to the world. What would be the point?
<v Speaker 3>What would be the point if the answer wasn't the
<v Speaker 3>answer that everybody can accept and poke with a stick?
<v Speaker 3>What are you going to do with it?
<v Speaker 2>Yep? What are you going to do with it?
<v Speaker 3>And I think a lot of people, maybe not a lot,
<v Speaker 3>but some, maybe even yourself, have reached a point where
<v Speaker 3>they've come to the conclusion I can't poke it with
<v Speaker 3>a stick. And unfortunately, the Bigfoot world isn't wanting that answer,
<v Speaker 3>isn't willing to accept that answer.
<v Speaker 1>No, I know, the broader you know, the broader community
<v Speaker 1>definitely does not want to accept that or to hear
<v Speaker 1>that answer. But that, you know, it makes me wonder.
<v Speaker 1>That brings up the question for myself along the lines of, well,
<v Speaker 1>why are they not willing, if you know, for that
<v Speaker 1>to be the potential answer, If they're willing to study
<v Speaker 1>deeper scientific theories and religion. Or also another question would be,
<v Speaker 1>are we sure that you can't poke it with the
<v Speaker 1>stick just because it does have other abilities? But that's
<v Speaker 1>the question I'm getting to with. Even if it is
<v Speaker 1>potentially spiritual or interdimensional, that doesn't mean that it's not
<v Speaker 1>physical when it's here. So why couldn't if you were
<v Speaker 1>at the which there's researchers that I know, and they
<v Speaker 1>talk about being touched by a big foot, you know,
<v Speaker 1>so if they were touched by.
<v Speaker 2>The big foot, it was was it physical at that.
<v Speaker 1>Point when it touched them or then you got to
<v Speaker 1>get into the whole subject matter of people that talk
<v Speaker 1>about they felt like they were being touched by.
<v Speaker 2>Other entities.
<v Speaker 1>You know, we can go into when it comes to
<v Speaker 1>the others, you know, paranormal subject matter. They said that
<v Speaker 1>they felt like there was a hand on their back
<v Speaker 1>when they were when there was just a ghost behind them.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know those answers. I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how it's possible.
<v Speaker 1>That a sasquatch would have the ability to cloak and
<v Speaker 1>move between dimensions and.
<v Speaker 2>Be able to touch you and at the same time
<v Speaker 2>not be what we would refer to as physical. But
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's definitely a question that I'm going
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out.
<v Speaker 2>Are they physical?
<v Speaker 1>Where are they a physical matter while they're in this world?
<v Speaker 1>Or do we have to dive deeper down the subject
<v Speaker 1>matter of do we make her own a reality? Or
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I really don't know.
<v Speaker 2>It's just the deeper you dig, man, the more complicated
<v Speaker 2>this the question has become.
<v Speaker 3>Well, here, I'll make it even more complex, because why
<v Speaker 3>not what if there is a bigfoot? But what if
<v Speaker 3>there's also something that can make you think and see
<v Speaker 3>a bigfoot? Yeah, I heard a story from a friend
<v Speaker 3>of mine out in Washington who was relaying the information
<v Speaker 3>from an elder Native American woman who was talking about
<v Speaker 3>these things that are out there that are a type
<v Speaker 3>of shape shifter, and that they can look like a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 3>They can look like a dog man, they can look
<v Speaker 3>like a person, they can look like anything they want
<v Speaker 3>to look like, and they will look like things that
<v Speaker 3>the person they are appearing before has the intent on scene.
<v Speaker 3>So if you're out there looking for a bigfoot, this
<v Speaker 3>thing will show up looking like a bigfoot, but it's
<v Speaker 3>not a bigfoot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the reasons I went down this rabbit
<v Speaker 1>hole is because the longer I was doing field research,
<v Speaker 1>the more I started having experiences that weren't just purely
<v Speaker 1>sasquatching dog man. I can't I couldn't just put them
<v Speaker 1>in this sasquatch or dog man bracket on my on
<v Speaker 1>the on my spreadsheet. I couldn't just say that was
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch or that was dog man. I started having experiences
<v Speaker 1>where the longer I've dug in, the deeper I've u
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I travel quite a bit for my research.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't happen all in the same area. But because
<v Speaker 1>I get to travel so much, you know, I've had
<v Speaker 1>other experiences that would be Was that a shape shifter?
<v Speaker 2>Was that witchcraft? Was that.
<v Speaker 1>I hate talk, I hate the term of UAP or ufo?
<v Speaker 1>But was that an alien? Or was that an alien spacecraft?
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't start in this field initially to go
<v Speaker 1>anywhere near that subject matter. You know, when I spoke
<v Speaker 1>to you the first time, I think I told you
<v Speaker 1>that I used to call everything that we're talking about
<v Speaker 1>the WU like I didn't want anything.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want anything to do with it.
<v Speaker 1>When I first got into this subject matter, I was
<v Speaker 1>just trying to figure out what the heck I saw
<v Speaker 1>a hunting one day, and I thought I was just
<v Speaker 1>chasing another animal that happened to look nothing like any
<v Speaker 1>animal I'd seen before. And as I dug and I
<v Speaker 1>dug and I dug, I can't deny that my experiences
<v Speaker 1>have not really led me towards.
<v Speaker 2>Finding just another animal out there. It's led me towards questioning, well,
<v Speaker 2>what are animals? What are we as humans? What is
<v Speaker 2>the world around us? You know? What what is our reality?
<v Speaker 2>You know?
<v Speaker 1>This subject matter has pushed me into academic studies and
<v Speaker 1>into questions that I had never thought about in my
<v Speaker 1>life until I got into this subject matter, until I
<v Speaker 1>started trying to figure out what that dog man was
<v Speaker 1>that I I saw hunting initially in twenty thirteen. If
<v Speaker 1>you had told me in twenty thirteen that I was
<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about quantum physics and plasma.
<v Speaker 2>Theory and.
<v Speaker 1>Practical holographic theory and talking about the Book of Enoch
<v Speaker 1>and all these other subjects and that's where this was
<v Speaker 1>going to lead me A I would have said, what
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about?
<v Speaker 2>B that's crazy. I don't even know what the heck
<v Speaker 2>you're I haven't no idea what you're talking about, and
<v Speaker 2>I would not I don't know if I would have
<v Speaker 2>moved any further on the.
<v Speaker 3>Subject and not just talk about those things, but talk
<v Speaker 3>about them in the same conversation with one another.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>You're not the first person to reach that point. And
<v Speaker 3>typically you come to a point where you have to
<v Speaker 3>decide if you go further or if you pull away. Yep,
<v Speaker 3>And clearly you've decided to go further.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I'm at the point now that I'm pretty
<v Speaker 1>I'm only going further or just the experiences. I don't
<v Speaker 1>even know if I'm going further because I really want
<v Speaker 1>the answers, because I don't know if I'm comfortable with
<v Speaker 1>to get the answers. I don't know how far I'd
<v Speaker 1>have to go in the field work to get those answers.
<v Speaker 1>So I enjoy having them around when they're out in
<v Speaker 1>the field or when they come creeping around the house.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just doing it for the fun of researching.
<v Speaker 1>At this point, I don't know if I want to
<v Speaker 1>dive any further into pursuing answers. It's something I'm gonna
<v Speaker 1>have to figure out. But on the same hand, I
<v Speaker 1>guess I can just follow the research in the field,
<v Speaker 1>research as it goes, and we'll see where what happens.
<v Speaker 1>Because I don't want to quit going into the field
<v Speaker 1>just because it's potentially something that is beyond many many
<v Speaker 1>people's spectrum of reality, or it's because it's potentially something
<v Speaker 1>that could alter my view of the world. The only
<v Speaker 1>thing that stops me is I don't want to get
<v Speaker 1>physically harmed by going further in the research. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>not just talking about being harmed by sasquat or dog man.
<v Speaker 2>But for me, it's made me.
<v Speaker 1>Made me much more in touch with my spiritual side
<v Speaker 1>and religion. It's made me re revisit religion per se.
<v Speaker 1>I was definitely drifting away from the church when I
<v Speaker 1>was younger. I've definitely drifted towards the church churches i've
<v Speaker 1>gotten older, especially the further I've gone down this this
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. But I also don't want church to limit
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts, like just because I believe, just because I
<v Speaker 1>call myself a Christian and I have Christian beliefs, I
<v Speaker 1>don't want that to limit my my ability to learn
<v Speaker 1>or to explore the subject matter deeper.
<v Speaker 3>That's actually an interesting thing because there's a number of
<v Speaker 3>people who I have spoken with that saw all of
<v Speaker 3>this stuff that you were talking about, like you were
<v Speaker 3>calling it the WU earlier. You know, they don't believe it.
<v Speaker 3>They don't believe in that stuff. This is just an
<v Speaker 3>undiscovered animal blah blah blah. And then whenever I'm talking
<v Speaker 3>to them, I'll ask them, you know, privately, are you
<v Speaker 3>a Christian? Well, yes, so you believe in God? Yes, huh, okay,
<v Speaker 3>So which part of the Bible and the Scripture is
<v Speaker 3>not paranormal? I mean, I'm just saying, like my interpretation
<v Speaker 3>of it is, it's all very much WU. It's all paranormal.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is.
<v Speaker 3>So if you can believe that, then I mean, the
<v Speaker 3>hard work's already done. You know, you may not get
<v Speaker 3>the answers, you may not understand it, but you should
<v Speaker 3>at least be able to entertain the possibility that maybe
<v Speaker 3>some things out here are not quite what they're supposed
<v Speaker 3>to be.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>No, you know, just talking about sasquatch or dog man.
<v Speaker 1>Why how is it that they're so widespread? How is
<v Speaker 1>it that I can go to Colorado, for example, or
<v Speaker 1>I can go to Wyoming, Montana, or Florida or Illinois, Texas,
<v Speaker 1>New Mexico. Doesn't matter what state I've been to. If
<v Speaker 1>I dig around long enough, I run into them. How
<v Speaker 1>how is that possible? If we're talking about just a
<v Speaker 1>purely an unknown physical animal. How is it they have
<v Speaker 1>a population base. It's so widespread that I can run
<v Speaker 1>into them in so many areas, Yet they're just purely
<v Speaker 1>another undiscovered animal.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to answer that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean globally, not just North America, you know, all
<v Speaker 3>over the world.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unfortunately I've not been able to do any research
<v Speaker 1>in other countries. But yeah, it's not and it's not
<v Speaker 1>which I think the Internet has changed the ballgame, and
<v Speaker 1>that many researchers realize that it's throughout the globe. Now
<v Speaker 1>Australia talks about it, People in Europe talk about it,
<v Speaker 1>Russia talks. You know, it doesn't matter where you go,
<v Speaker 1>the subject is widespread throughout the globe.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, not on your not on your show.
<v Speaker 1>But there was recently a witness that was from Asia
<v Speaker 1>that had an encounter in Tennessee and they realized, wait
<v Speaker 1>a second, the myths that were I was told as
<v Speaker 1>a child about the they didn't call it sasquatch in
<v Speaker 1>her nation, but there was an entity that lived in
<v Speaker 1>the mountains where she was from, and she realized once
<v Speaker 1>she had an encounter in Tennessee that it was probably
<v Speaker 1>the same thing that she had been taught taught about
<v Speaker 1>when she was a child back in her country.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I interviewed a woman on my show a long time
<v Speaker 3>ago that reached out to me. She is not a
<v Speaker 3>big footer. She has an interest in the subject because
<v Speaker 3>whenever she was on vacation with one of her friends
<v Speaker 3>years ago, she saw a bigfoot as they were driving
<v Speaker 3>down the road at night. I think it was after
<v Speaker 3>a rainstorm, and that was in Mexico. Yep, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>what is this thing doing in Mexico?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I don't know how. I just don't know, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And then it gets into the question that it does.
<v Speaker 1>It definitely does seem as if they're they're concentrated in
<v Speaker 1>certain areas of certain no matter what state you go to.
<v Speaker 1>But on the same hand, you can find them on
<v Speaker 1>the edges of cities and edges of town, well in town,
<v Speaker 1>in many areas. How is it possible that they're getting
<v Speaker 1>inside of cities if they are just purely physical or
<v Speaker 1>don't have abilities that we don't understand.
<v Speaker 3>How do they get on military basis in the middle
<v Speaker 3>of the desert. I mean there's a lot of stuff,
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of rabbit holes to this. Yeah, you've
<v Speaker 3>got soldiers who are guarding military installations in the middle
<v Speaker 3>of nowhere. There's no trees or anything around for miles,
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, these bigfoot show up on
<v Speaker 3>the security cameras and they're sent to like, see what's
<v Speaker 3>going on? Run them off, and whenever they go out there,
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing there.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Well, man, I just wanted to speak more freely and
<v Speaker 1>pull the band aid off. And I definitely pulled the
<v Speaker 1>band aid off. I went way way further than just
<v Speaker 1>talking about my encounters.
<v Speaker 2>Are you You're right?
<v Speaker 1>I guess I am going to have to reanalyze how
<v Speaker 1>much further I want to go. But at this point
<v Speaker 1>I just enjoyed doing the field work.
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm glad you decided to do this. I'm glad
<v Speaker 3>you decided to come on and yeah, you know, speak
<v Speaker 3>freely about it and share what you found with everyone
<v Speaker 3>and what your thoughts are. And that's what this is about,
<v Speaker 3>you know, that's the only way we can grow.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm hope. I really do hope it
<v Speaker 1>helps someone. I really do hope it makes someone think.
<v Speaker 1>And my biggest thing is, you know, talking to anyone
<v Speaker 1>that's interested in the subject matter is you know, you
<v Speaker 1>just have to just have an open mind, and you
<v Speaker 1>really have to stop and look at your ego and
<v Speaker 1>look at you know, how you were taught growing up.
<v Speaker 1>And if you're set in your ways and you're not
<v Speaker 1>willing to have an open mind or just really is
<v Speaker 1>not the subject matter for you, you really you're I mean,
<v Speaker 1>if you just want to go around chasing what you
<v Speaker 1>consider to be another potential monkey in the woods and
<v Speaker 1>you enjoy doing it, that's great, go for it. No one,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not telling anyone not.
<v Speaker 2>To do that.
<v Speaker 1>But if you really want to dive into the subject matter,
<v Speaker 1>I just suggest that you really take a step back
<v Speaker 1>and try to decide whether or not you're willing to
<v Speaker 1>truly have an open mind when looking at the subject.
<v Speaker 1>Just like me, you have to decide how far you
<v Speaker 1>really want to dig once you really start getting further
<v Speaker 1>into studying the subject, Because I I'm way past just
<v Speaker 1>chasing chasing them around the woods.
<v Speaker 2>I know that, but I don't know where it's going
<v Speaker 2>to lead.
<v Speaker 3>And if you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or
<v Speaker 3>something else you can't explain, and you like to share
<v Speaker 3>your story on Bigfoot Crossroads, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads
<v Speaker 3>at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads
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<v Speaker 3>I remember, there's something in the woods.