STUMP THE BUFF 2: The Titanic vs. Punk Rock

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that gives you the secret histories and little known fascinating facts and figures behind your favorite TV shows, movies, music, and more. We're not gonna do that today, Well we will.

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Speaker 1: But we will und around to it. Yeah, we'll get a round to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan run Tug and Jordan. Today we are bringing back out of a combination of ad hoc need and laziness and listener feedback, we're bringing back a beloved installment. I can say beloved right. We had one of them and it went over well, went over really well. I loved that.

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Speaker 1: I've been pushing for us for a while. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: That's true, you have. Yeah, so our inaugural stumped the Buff. Jordan was doing Beatles trivia and I was doing horror movie trivia, and Stump of the Buff is just what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: You know, you were asking each other trivia.

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Speaker 2: Questions about our pet obsessions, about our pet obsessions of increasingly not increasingly. Jordan puts a lot of thought into this. I don't but a very granular nature, and so we've been trying to pitch another one that would have the same kind of hilarious dichotomy as horror movies and the Beatles. I don't know if we quite nailed the brief as much. I disagree. Okay, okay, So this week on Stumped Above, Jordan is going to be testing his knowledge of the Titanic ship and movie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you tell me he came up with the questions for me. Okay, it's gonna be both. It's both good good good, And I'm gonna be testing Haigel on his knowledge about punk rock.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I have to give the caveat that I kind of tune out by the late nineties. So we're gonna be doing what you know, many people of our demo and Above would consider the classic era. I know. I mean, dude, people consider Blanquinity too classic punk now. But for all intents and purposes, we're going to be talking about, you know, the birth of it from the late seventies into the mid nineties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know that this is punk rock as defined by me, So you might be like, what the hell's this? That's also true?

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Speaker 2: That could happen so we have not seen each other's questions in advance. We are off to the races. And that is as much of an intro as I'm going to summon at this exact moment. Thank you for listening. I say that at the end after a great start, George, do you want to go ahead? Or should I give you a launch?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me start, unless you don't can follow me, because I did try to put this into some form of a shape. I have seven rounds for a total of fifty questions.

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Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. Some of them are themed rounds. Some of them are bag We're not doing that, We're not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've already done it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like an a clockwork orange.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna gonna tie you down, pry your eyes open so you can see me on the zoom, and I'm just gonna pummel you with questions about punk rock bodily functions.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, here's your inaugural, here's your here's your here's your opener, and tell me this is if this is too granular, and.

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Speaker 1: I will adjust.

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Speaker 2: On April tenth, the Titanic left the Southampton Dock narrowly escaped a collision with another ship.

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Speaker 1: SS New York. Yeah, it was really crazy. The ship was so big that the suction it drew from its propellers caused all these other ships that it was steaming past to break free of their moorings. And it was just drawn to the Titanic like a giant magnet, much like me as a child. And the ship grew terrifyingly close and nearly rammed the side of the Titanic before it left the dock at Southampton. So it's made the voyage was nearly over before it started, which you know, in retrospect you could say if it had a collision and needed to be brought back in the dock for repairs, it wouldn't have gone out into the North Atlantic and it wouldn't have struck the iceberg. So if the ship had hit the Titanic, you know, we might not be talking about the Titanic today. And also the ship was called the New York, which is where the Titanic was headed. So it's very It's a lot of a lot of fate, a lot of questions of fate wrapped up in that. Sorry I should have let you finished the question.

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Speaker 2: No, I anticipate that's how a lot of these will be going. Here is your official scorecard. Sound am I living mas? Yeah? All right, there we go. One point for Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm not keeping score.

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Speaker 2: Jordan. You did that last time and I won, But you did you? Oh, okay, I win in the in the spirit, if not the letter.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, you went in the fact that you're married with a nicer apartment. All right, all right, we're not okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give me, give me a round of several Okay, okay, okay, we do clusters. What was the name of the Titanic crewman deserted at Queenstown?

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Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's a great question. I don't know his name, but I know that, you know, there's a part of me that wonders if he was just a random guy who said that he was like, you know, had a bad feeling about that ship and I got up. You know, it was a part of me that wonders if it's actually true. I don't know his.

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Speaker 2: Name, though, Can you let me know of what about his position on the ship?

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Speaker 1: I think he was a stoker. He was a relative. I mean, not to be awful, but I think he was a relatively low ranking member of the crew who just jumped ship. Because the Titanic had several stops to make before it went out to the North Atlantic. It left from Southampton, England. Later that night it arrived at Sherburg, France, and then the next morning it arrived at Queensland, Ireland, where a few passages departed.

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Speaker 2: I want to say not many. I want to say something.

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Speaker 1: Like twelve passengers departed, and one of whom was a Franciscan priest and father, Francis Brown, and he was an amateur photographer, and he took a lot of photos on board of shipboard life, and they're some of the only pictures we have of the Titanic's interiors. Plus, you know, the only pictures I really have of shipboard life. Him and another family who disembarked, I think they're called the Odell's also had a few amateur you know, because it was the early days of porest photography.

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Speaker 2: So I was gonna say like silver, like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Now, So the answer is.

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Speaker 2: Fireman John Coffee, Okay, yeah, And his previous ship had been the Olympic.

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Speaker 1: It was the Titanic sister ship. He was paid six pounds a month.

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Speaker 2: The ship that he joined after disembarking the Titanic was the Mauritania, and he remained a fireman at sea, but he would have another aquatic accident befall him in nineteen forty one.

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Speaker 1: He was rescued after falling into the river Hull.

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Speaker 2: He died in fifty seven and is buried in Hull in an unmarked grave. So, oh that's not that's not Good's well? That ends well for John Coffey.

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Speaker 1: Was his death maritime related or aquatic related?

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Speaker 2: I does not say, good question, good question, Well, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, thank you? Okay.

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Speaker 2: So, which was the first lifeboat to be lowered from the Titanic. That's really good, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I mean, okay, these are the kinds of facts that I am not good at.

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Speaker 2: I know, And that's what you warned me. And so now i'm I'm you shouldn't let me know. That's true. That never let him, never let him know your weak point before competition boat twelve. So good guess number seven lowered at twelve fifty six a m.

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Speaker 1: So it was about an hour and about an hour or twenty minutes after the ship struck the Iceberg.

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Speaker 2: And it was only filled with nineteen yes out of a capacity of I.

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Speaker 1: Believe somewhere between sixty to seventy sixty five.

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Speaker 2: Very good, very good. And do you know which prominent film actress and later socialite and activist was on board that.

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Speaker 1: I forget a first time somebody Gibson, Dorothy and Dorothy gibbson Yes. And then within weeks I think if the Titanic sank in April fifteenth, nineteen twelve, I think by the end of the month, like April thirtieth, something like that, she made a QUICKI cheapy, silent movie called like Escape from Titanic or Rescue from.

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Speaker 2: Titanic Saved from the Titanic YEP, released a month after sinking.

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Speaker 1: Incredible. Yeah, don't let them tell you that, like you know, Craven attempts to cash in on tragedies is a recent phenomenon, because it's we've been doing it for doing it for a long time. Let's not be too judgeful of Dorothy.

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Speaker 2: It was the last film she supposedly suffered the nervous breakdown after completing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure making that movie wasn't her idea. I'm sure some some cigar chopping executives. All right, honey, are you still got the clothes from that night?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Who do we got under contract? Who survived the Titanic?

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Speaker 2: Deep exhale of cigar smoke?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was pilloried over it.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying about how oh yeah, I mean her performance. So the fact that she did.

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Speaker 1: It, the fact that it was even released.

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Speaker 2: I think it's what as a lost film? Now, Oh, I'm sorry. That was not the correct That was not her last film. She starred in one more film called Roses and Thorns, released in May of nineteen twelve, but probably filmed around the same time, and then she had a reported nervous breakdown, retired from acting, and pursued a career as a chorus singer.

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Speaker 1: Who I hate to think of what that really means.

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Speaker 2: Well, it gets worse. She moved to Paris after the dissolution of her marriage, and she eventually became a Nazi sympathizer and of their alleged spies. She decided to quit in nineteen forty four and was jailed and escaped, but two years later would die of a heart attack, and indeed, all known prints have saved the Titanic perished in a fire in nineteen fourteen.

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Speaker 1: The Prince perished.

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Speaker 2: The prints were tragically died of diabetes related to common Oh too soon, Yeah to sou rimp, Shelley de Vall, How could you?

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Well I'm one for three.

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Speaker 2: Geez, you want to do? You wanna change over? Give me two more, give me, give me one more, two more. Okay, so let's see what we got here.

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Speaker 1: Mine are so much easier than yours. I mean I looked for hard stuff. Oh no, good, of course.

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Speaker 2: Like I was like, do you know which lifeboat the unsinkable Molly Brown was in?

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Speaker 1: I want to say?

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Speaker 2: Eight?

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Speaker 1: Am I about to live Moss? Six? Yeah, there was a fact about Molly Brown in my Titanic thread I sent to you, and I'm trying remember what it is when it is now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you did a lot about Molly Brown, as I recall, or at least a graph something like that. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: She was credited for inventing or at least popularizing buffet style eating.

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Speaker 2: It's true, that's amazing. What was the How long did it take the Titanic to sink?

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Speaker 1: Jordan struck the iceberg at approximately eleven forty night, and it's believed to have gone under it about two twenty.

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Speaker 2: Damn, that is right on the money, exact time stamps.

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Speaker 1: Well, we know the time because when a lot of the bodies were recovered, the watches that they had had stopped at that point. And there's still been some watches that were brought up from the seafloor where some of them are stopped at that time, and some of them were the hands have disintegrated the vanished, but there's like a watermark scar at two twenty. Yeah, it's really it's really eerie.

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Speaker 2: Good lord, Okay, what about here's a gimme upon surfacing from one of his Titanic dives, who was James Cameron informed of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: By Bill Paxton? That is my beloved Bill Paxton.

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Speaker 2: As recovered in our Titanic episode. It was indeed, it was indeed Bill Paxton who had the honor or burden of informing James Cameron that nine to eleven had occurred.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Jim, nine to eleven just happened. And also you'll know what that means later.

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Speaker 2: Well, we gotta talk.

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Speaker 1: About Bill Paxton was also also watched the Motorcade with JFK on the day that he was assassinated too.

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Speaker 2: That's correct, he has, in fact a real life Forrest Gun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he is all right, So I have a fifty percent success ratio. I got three right and three wrong. Let's let's see how you do with round one. This is a just a grab background and the relatively easy, although this first one's not, but I think you can figure it out. Which punk Icon and then being generous with the term Icon was fond of breaking and entering, ultimately stealing Ronnie Wood's fur coat, Rodney Wood of the Faces and the Rolling Stones, and in an unrelated incident, Keith Richard's Color TV and in a further unrelated incident, David Bowie's PA system.

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Speaker 2: These were all in I'm guessing these were all in London.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, or thereabouts.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's got to be one of the sex Pistols or the Clash. The Clash were except for Joe Strummer, who is the son of a diplomat like Paul Simon, and in the Clash grew up in like project housing, council housing, and they were all a bit The other three members of the Clash were actually like considerably more rough and tumble than Joe Strummer. In fact, you talk about the first time that he met them. They were in the Dole Line and he thought that they were sizing him up to fight him, but they recognized him from his previous band, the one oh one Ers, and were like trying to.

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Speaker 1: Get up their nerve to approach him.

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Speaker 2: And so he hes talked about interviews about being like yeah, and so I figured I'd take out Paul first because he looked like he was the most tasty, like he used that word. And then he was like, no, it's probably going to go for Mick because he was the skinniest. But I I, I that sounds so laddish. I'm just gonna say it was one of the sex pistols. I don't know which one, you know, I'll give it to Steve Jones. Okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: He broke into Ronnie Wood's Richmond Hill mansion in the winter of nineteen seventy two to seventy three and stoles fur coat, and then a short time later to Keith Richards's house on Cheney Walk. I think that's how you say that in London and stole his color TV and some of his quote hip clothes, and in a passage written by the writer John Savage said, Steve Jones's gang's greatest coup came in July nineteen seventy three when David Bowie was playing his big concert at the Hammersmith Odeon, filmed by d A. Penny Baker. That was Bowie's famous It was the it was the ziggy starred Us Farewell Show. The boys slipped in easily since it was their local, and hid until nighttime. There was a security guard a sleep. One of the gangs said, we walked on stage with a pair of pliers snipping the wires. We took the whole pa every single one of their microphones RCU were recording it. So there were Neuman microphones about five hundred pounds apiece.

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Speaker 2: Pounds the money, not the weight. Yeah, Neiman's are not cheap. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, Steve had gone out and nicked a minivan to cart the stuff away. Say that you're just stole a minivan.

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Speaker 2: It was me. It was me and Steve Jones. Paul, that's Paul Cook, the drummer man. That is impressive. He was like a genuine cat burglar.

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Speaker 1: And the belief was that was the stuff that was used, you know, the sex Pistols use that as they were forming, you know, with that was the basis of the sex Pistols in a way, theft from.

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Speaker 2: A glam rocker. That makes sense. I thought they punk guys loved David Bowie. They did like Bowie. I remember in reading Actually funny enough, I remember reading a book about the sex Pistols first American tour. Twelve days on the road, they heard that Elvis had died, and Johnny Rotten said, Oh, that's kind of sad. It's a bit like hearing like your old uncle died. It's a shame it couldn't have been Mick Jagger. And so yeah, So Steve Jones and Paul Cook were actually the foundation of the sex Pistols. They'd been in another band. So and you're like, they did Nick all their shit. But they hung out at Malcolm McLaren's and Vivian Westwood's shop, which was hilariously surfing whatever trends they could. It had opened as lead It Rock, and they were trying to cap it lies on the teddyboy trend, which Jordan, do you want to try and explain teddy boys?

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Speaker 1: Teddy boy is like an English hood in the fifties, there wasn't really greaser culture.

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Speaker 2: Sort of dovetails with mods, right, like they were like Natalie dressed and into like really and into R and B.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were earlier that they were fifties. Mods were sixties. It was sort of pre greaser culture. In the fifties. They would wear these long Edwardian coats hence teddy boy and word teddy, these big thick crape soled shoes, brothel creepers, brothel creepers, yes, and these big slicked back basically ducks ass haircuts. Like it was this weird English equivalent of greasers, but like minus the leather. And then they would have things like I'm sorry, I'm about to sound really named droppy, but I remember interviewing Bringo Star.

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Speaker 2: Once and he was he very much was in a teddyboy style in.

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Speaker 1: The fifties, and he was telling me about how guys would put razor blades in their jacket collars. So when you know, hoods would try to grab them by their jacket collars and pin them up against the wall, their fingers would get cut, so it's like a safety measure, which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little terrified. You imagine Ringo cutting somebody.

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Speaker 1: Well, the reason I remember that exchange so well was because he demonstrated it on me by grabbing my jacket collar, and I didn't know he was about to do that. So to suddenly have one of the beatles pinning you against the wall by your jacket collar made an impression. Did you come.

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Speaker 2: Sorry? Malcolm mclarnin and Vivian Westwood had this shop that was originally called Let It Rock to capitalize on the teddies it was it was renamed Too Fast to Live, Too Young to Die, and then it was then renamed Sex, which like good marketing guys, and so the Paul Cook and Steve Jones meant Glenn Matt there, who is the original bassist of the Sex Pistols, who's fired for either being too well fed or too talented. And Malcolm McLaren much like I mean, he was basically like Lou Pearlman or one of these guys. He knew that Jones and Cook could play, and he steveus Steve Vicious.

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Speaker 1: It would not have worked.

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Speaker 2: It's like when Freddie Mercury called said vicious Simon ferocious. Yeah, So so McLaren knew that he had at least half a band who could actually play and or three quarters of one, and he auditioned Johnny Rotten by having him sing or lip sync Alice Cooper's I'm eighteen into a shower head in the shop. Never let it be said that the sex pistols were a musical concern first and foremost.

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Speaker 1: You've actually led perfectly into my next question. Oh go on, because Johnny Rotten made an impression on Malcolm McLaren on the fu at the sex shop, not that kind of sex shop, by a T shirt he would wear.

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Speaker 2: Johnny Rutten, I hate Pink Floyd.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was funny because Pink Floyd were God. They would have been coming off of the wall. No, not the wall.

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Speaker 1: Pink Floyd would have been wish you were here if it was what seventy five, wish you were here with seventy four. Yeah, so they would have been coming off which you were here.

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Speaker 2: And he described that shirt as like, you know, to attack Pink Floyd at the time in British music was like coming after the Queen, which they also did. But yeah, it was famously an Pink Floyd shirt that he had simply scrawled I hate over the front. Funnily punk rock t shirts get people in trouble. There's the famous Legs McNeil oral history or the first first wave of New York punk rock called Please Kill Me. One of the guys recalls wearing a homemade please Kill Me shirt to CBGB's and this gang member on the Bowery was like, really, Oh.

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Speaker 1: It was Bob Gruen, who I actually was having dinner with last night, which is the second dickish nap drop.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, trying and keep him to like one every five minutes, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, sorry, sorry, but yeah, he was like, that was one of the most shocking things I'd ever seen, and I was just kind of like, really, like, you have some other anecdotes from you and in this very episode that are more shocking.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: My favorite Johnny Rotten fashion quote or quote about his fashions to say is actually from Ladys McNeil.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He said that he'd seen Johnny Rotten backstage at the Sex Pistole's final Winterland concert, and he said its McNeil wrote of Johnny Rotten, he looked like a duck on crack, except he wore a long overcoat, so that he actually resembled a French duck on crack. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot that. The I Hate Pink Floyd T shirt also had the band member's eyes scratched out, which is such a wonderfully unhinged touch. Can you see Pink Floyd is going through the change? Do you see this is my design?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: This is good, this is good. I get to sprawl. Yeah, on the topic of things that suck or things that people think suck. Who recorded the song sca sucks?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Good question.

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Speaker 1: I can give you a multiple choice if you want. Yeah, could you tilt no use for a name? MXPH or Propagandhi. It's Propagandhi. You're correct. Propagandhi is a great name. That's a great name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They'rey incredible. They are. I mean, I think like every one of these guys they had some kind of they stuck their foot in their mouth about something at some point during the pandemic or in the identity politics peak era. But they Yeah, they're an incredibly just a legendary DIY fiercely leftist band. MxPx would not have said Scott sucks. They I think they were like peers with a lot of nineties punk bands. Actually, who are the other people?

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Speaker 1: No use for a name and tilt.

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Speaker 2: Those are blind spots for me.

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Speaker 1: Moving on. This isn't strictly sca, but it feels Scott Jason. So that's why I felt.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know you were going to be bringing in Scott. No, this isn't Scott, This isn't Scott.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What legendary punk has alter ego? Buster Poindexter of Hot Hot Hot Fame.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's my boy, I know, That's why I asked it. God by my blank on, his name's New York Dolls frontman. Oh, come on, god, what the fuck is that dude's name? David Johansen.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't know that until very recently.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Saw him as Buster Pointdster.

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Speaker 2: What yeah? Do this?

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Speaker 1: Why? Why? Because?

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Speaker 2: Well? So, first of all, I mean he is truly a repository of twentieth century American music. I mean he's no, yes, no, no, I mean he's way more into like Delta blues, also Calypso music, and like because the.

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Speaker 1: Song was written by like a Monserrat Soca artist.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he's that's so, That's that's what I'm saying. He he like New York Dolls, was like a total laugh when you consider his wider interests. I mean, he's sung with a lot of famous blues groups. He knows all kinds of obscure pre war stuff, and Buster Poinsacer was like an outlet for this. And I saw him at the Cafe Carlisle, and I had been pitched an interview with him, so I did get to interview him. Now my turn to name drop. But I saw him and he was just he First of all, his band was amazing, like all jazz players, and so he did all these lipso songs, he did a bunch of early like R and B jump music, and he was just he's he's a character, like he's truly not David Johansson when he's Buster Poindexter. And he was doing all of these like hilarious ad libs and long introduction.

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Speaker 1: Into between songs.

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Speaker 2: The one that stuck with me was my doctor told me to keep it to one drink a day. So this one's from April fourteenth, twenty six forty. Yeah. And when I he, I mean I was kind of green when I interviewed him, and he got me. I asked him what I thought was a quite reasonable question, which is like, you're one of the you know, more famous New York celebrities who's elected to stay in Staten Island, and like live in Staten Island. Staten Island's your home base, and I wonder if you could, you know, tell me why that is what you love about it. And he just there's a brief pause and he just goes, well, I hear the Fairyes, nice, like a really reasonable question. I was, yeah, I don't think this is anything else. From that interview, he was cool man, He was pretty generous. He said at one point he was like, well, I don't know that you. I don't know if you know this, but Staten Island's actually home to many of the great think tanks in American politics. And I was like really and he was like no, but yeah, I mean he's in Scrooge. He's the cab driver in Scrooge. We mentioned he has a cameo and Adventures of Pete and Pete. He has a great solo record that he performs songs off of. I think the one song on there is called Heart of Gold, just a great song. Yeah. So he does Harry belly Fonty songs, He does country He also does English music Hall.

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Speaker 1: He did Lydia the Tattooed Lady.

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Speaker 2: He does Rocket eighty eight, which was many people think is the first rock and roll song. And when I asked him about this breadth of material, he says, I dig stuff. I defined myself. I just found this interview. I defined myself largely through what I dig, and I don't pay much attention to anything that doesn't turn me on.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what he doesn't dig these days, Hot Hot Hot, which he's asking an interview with MPR as quote the bane of my existence.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he said. Sometimes you get saddled. He told me, sometimes you get saddled with a hit. You go through phases. But one time I went to my nephew's wedding and the band played it and they made me get up and sing it, and I thought, oh God, this thing is an albatross around my neck. And if you ever want to know what you know, Buster Porndexter ak David Johansson's most romantic song because I interviewed him around Valentine's Day and he says, Billy Ward in the Dominoes do something for me, And he had that right at the top of his tongue, tip of his tongue sore.

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Speaker 3: And baby, can't you see you?

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Speaker 2: What something for me? Here's my David Johanson's story. Love him, great guy, obviously New York Dolls whip. But he's so interesting. It's like if Joey Ramone was like fixated on I don't know light opera, which.

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Speaker 1: He may well have been. Well, here's one I know you have the answer to. But it's an interesting story and I want to hear you kill it, so I will take the ill. What's unique about the vocal track on Bad Brains Sacred Love?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's one of the classic done through phone line songs. It was done while HR was in jail. That's correct. Yeah, HR is a tempestuous man. I mean he there's lots of Bad Brains are pretty contentious. Themsells actually, I mean they like are a foundational hardcore band.

00:29:04
Speaker 1: You know, they.

00:29:04
Speaker 2: Inspired the Beastie Boys name and performances, like Yeah, Beastie Boys named themselves BEB because they wanted a BB name because of Bad Brands and Bad Brains are incredible. I mean Daryl Jennifer, Earl Hudson and Doctor No bassist, guitarist, bassist, drummer and guitarist, respectively.

00:29:23
Speaker 1: They were jazz freaks.

00:29:24
Speaker 2: Like serious fusion hits, doing like Weather Report and all this stuff. And then they heard Ramones and punk rock and we're like, oh, we should do this now. And Hr was kind of the live wire. His voice is obviously insane, and he would do like backflips on stage like it really just a one of those front men that's just like touched by lightning.

00:29:46
Speaker 1: And that's a reference to their one album cover.

00:29:48
Speaker 2: But if you read American hardcore, which is think Stephen Blush is an oral history because they were Rastafarian, they were deeply homophobic, and they we're coming through Texas and they stayed at the home of a Texas, very important Texas queer punk band named Big Boys, and they asked them to score weed and then they did the classic you know, we'll leave the money on the desk and had left it like left an envelope and peeled out of town with the weed. And they opened the envelope and there was a note that said fire burn all blood clot f slur, thanks for the weed, like later or something. Blood clot is a this is another digression, but do what blood clot is I do it a lot, and like in like any Jamaican music. Really it's a homophobic slur that is derived from blood cloth, which was like pre sanitary napkins, and so they started calling each other that as a denigrative thing because it was, you know, connected with women.

00:30:57
Speaker 1: So yeah, after that incident, in.

00:30:59
Speaker 2: Particular, because hardcore was such a closely knit network, really linked by phone and like tape trading, like literal letter writing. E Maikai would just talk about it just like write letters and trade tapes with people. Same with thrash metal, people were like yo, bad brains are like deeply homophobic and dickheads. So they really did not achieve anything that they're not like, they didn't get like a breakthrough. They weren't pumped into like epitaph or any of these like major like feeder bands. I mean they had some they kept going, but I think it was kind of always came down to hr and his sort of instability. And it was reviewed a couple years ago that he was suffering from some rare neurological condition that gave him like intense cluster headaches and all this stuff, and I think some of his behavior was sort of explained away by that. But yeah, they're a really interesting case just and like the music obviously rips. I mean, they are a superlative band of musicians, great songs. Just you know that that specific incident and those years of their lives, which I think Darryl Jennifer has like apologized for in interviews, like he's been like, yeah, that was really of us, but it really caused the community to close ranks around them. And really because they were also obviously all black guys, and which is like such a rarity in that era of hardcore. It was like, so, yeah, anyway, sorry, as you meditate on that, we'll be right back with more too much information after these messages? Was that was that enough? I just met back to me.

00:32:43
Speaker 1: I think it's back to you. Yeah, okay, you have a perfect score.

00:32:47
Speaker 2: By the way, well, I'm willing to take a half point for the for the Steve Jones sex pistols. No no, no, no, it's not.

00:32:57
Speaker 1: Do you how should we should.

00:32:58
Speaker 2: We give you like an easier one?

00:33:00
Speaker 1: But no, no, absolutely not.

00:33:01
Speaker 3: No.

00:33:02
Speaker 1: Okay.

00:33:03
Speaker 2: One man missed the Titanic because his car broke down en route to meet the ship at Cherbourg.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: That's not a question, what was his name?

00:33:14
Speaker 2: I've actually never heard this.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: I don't know this.

00:33:17
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, his name on the passenger list, Frank Carlson was the man's name. He was booked on the passenger list, and we indeed that's his name. But he was one of the ones who missed it by circumstance. And I assume you have a list of others who were notable others who were booked and missed.

00:33:40
Speaker 1: JP Morgan was very famous the the Yes, a famous American finance here who owns the parent company that owns the Titanic. If I phrase that right, International Mercantile or Marine. I amm just a huge power player. Wasn't there a story that Hershey or Hershey's wife, Milton Hershey's wife was supposed to be on it or something.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: I have a few here. What was Henry clay Frick, who is an American steel magnate.

00:34:10
Speaker 1: Who coined the praise friggin that's not true, George Vanderbilt.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: Ah, they canceled on April ninth, and one of their servants had already boarded. It went down with their luggage and the ship. US Ambassador to France, Robert Bacon, had reserved passage. Their departure was delayed by the tardy arrival of the new ambassador who was taking over, and they missed.

00:34:39
Speaker 1: Milton Hershey, Yeah, I'm on. In the Hershey Archives, one of the most intriguing moments of Milton Hershey's life was his narrow escape from the sinking of the Armis Titanic. Milton Hershey had originally booked a passage on the o fated liner, but a last minute change in plans saved us life. In our collection the Hershey Community Archives, as a canceled check for three hundred dollars written to the White Star Line the Titanic's line on December eighteenth, nineteen eleven, ten percent deposit to reserve a room which went for three grand. Three grand in nineteen twelve is an absurd amount of money. That's like fifty sixty grand today. Mister Hershey and his wife had spent a significant amount of time in Europe. Much of that time has spent seeking relief from Kitty's health problems. We stemmed from a chronic illness. The illness was never fully diagnosed, but it appears to have been progressive and neurological in nature. Hershey's been wintering in France. Nice France. But in early nineteen twelve, Milton Hershey determined he needed to return to his business in the town of Hershey, Pennsylvania, earlier than his booking on the Titanic would accommodate, so he changed his reservation.

00:35:45
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's see if this is too niche can you name the Belfast or Belfast shipyard or the number at which the Titanic was designed and constructed.

00:35:58
Speaker 1: It was the Harlan and Wolf Shipyard. The number I think you're referring to is the ship's number that was given to the hull that was being built, because the ship's names can change, but the whole number is consistent, and that was four to oh one.

00:36:11
Speaker 2: And double double whammy. I'm fine with the wording you two live mass for that, I need the two.

00:36:19
Speaker 1: And there's this whole conspiracy theory, and it's a dumb conspiracy theory that the Titanic was switched with her sister ship who had been damaged in a collusion at sea and some I don't even want to get into it because it's not that interesting, but basically an insurance fraud scheme that they were going to try to sink the damaged Titanic sister ship by pretending I google the.

00:36:43
Speaker 2: Titanic switch theory.

00:36:44
Speaker 1: It's not that interesting. But anyway, when divers went down to the Titanic, they could see the ship's propeller which is still attached to the ship's stern and you can actually see etched in the propeller four to oh one, which proves that it was still the Titanic, not the Titanic sister ship.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: Yes, that was all very correct. Can you for bonus points?

00:37:04
Speaker 3: Oh?

00:37:05
Speaker 1: I need bonus points?

00:37:07
Speaker 2: Named the marine architect who work with chief designer Thomas Andrews.

00:37:12
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're gonna say his name and I'll remember. I can't remember off hand.

00:37:17
Speaker 2: I'll give you a hand. Yeah.

00:37:19
Speaker 1: His initials are A C. Alexander Carlyle bam.

00:37:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, bonus. Where's my hang on?

00:37:27
Speaker 3: I got it?

00:37:28
Speaker 2: There you go.

00:37:29
Speaker 1: I don't have any real interesting stories about Alexander Carlyle, but Thomas Andrews is famous to most people who are you know, are in any way interested in the Titanic because he's played by Victor Garber in the Titanic movie and he's.

00:37:44
Speaker 2: Character actor Victor Garber.

00:37:45
Speaker 1: Yes, he's the guy who in the ship's going down. He gives Rose his life belt and says, I wish I could have built Chabetta ship Rose, and he's last seen. According to Titanic lore, he spent the ship's last moments just kind of wandering around in shaw and he was last seen in the Titanic smoking room, just standing by the fireplace. In reality, he worked very hard to try to save people. He was seen running around throwing deck chairs and basically anything that floated overboard so that people could have kind of make shift rafts and stuff. And he made no attempt to get into a lifeboat himself or save himself. So no, he's somebody who. And he was very well liked by the crew too. He was always he was famous for making just little nods to their comfort, like installing extra water bubblers.

00:38:36
Speaker 2: That's my new England coming through water bubblers, water.

00:38:39
Speaker 1: Fountains for the ship's firemen and crew down in the in the boiler rooms and stuff. And yeah, he was a very well liked man. Oh yeah, no, I'm sad. Oh no, give me a question about like the potato peeling room or something. On the Titanic, there was a room dedicated to peeling potatoes.

00:38:58
Speaker 2: Why did you need a whole? I guess there were a lot of potatoes. Yeah, you know. Uh name the youngest surviving passenger of the Titanic. She's got a weird twentieth century American name, Melvie and a Dean bam one more live moss for Georgie.

00:39:17
Speaker 1: And she was the last surviving Titanic survivor. She died in I think two thousand and nine. I think she was like something like nine months old when the ship sank, so she would have been what ninety nine weeks old?

00:39:29
Speaker 2: Nine weeks old? Oh man, Okay, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

00:39:34
Speaker 1: Although there are stories and I don't remember their names, but there are people whose mothers were pregnant with them aboard the Titanic who were then saved, or at least they claim, I mean, I guess it's verifiable. So there are I don't know, if I can't imagine there are any fetuses. No, they would be one hundred and twelve, So no, there are probably no people who were alive as fetuses unborn fetuses on the type Tic.

00:40:00
Speaker 2: At this point, she was a cartographer working for the British government during World War Two.

00:40:05
Speaker 1: Cool, yeah, give me one more.

00:40:09
Speaker 2: Okay, name the US based firm who is claiming ownership of the Titanic, RMS Titanic Incorporated.

00:40:21
Speaker 1: Yes, which bex Is just announced. AA.

00:40:26
Speaker 2: It's kind of a gimme. But I know that you knew that because you loved ship sunk in ship lore. Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of lore.

00:40:35
Speaker 1: I think it was just like a consortium got together and once it was discovered and named itself fat Well.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: Admiralty law claims that sunken vessels in international waters are you know, not able to be claimed.

00:40:51
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah.

00:40:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. White Star Lane had obviously evaporated by the time the ship was discovered in nineteen eighty five. There was literally no paper trail left, but no insurance company. Liverpool and London, who paid out on some of the passenger policies, actually took RMS Titanic Ink to court settled. Nothing beats an insurance company.

00:41:17
Speaker 1: I think that the biggest insurance claim that was taken out for an item lost on Titanic was for a painting.

00:41:25
Speaker 2: It was one of those terms of like a fat kid and a dog.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: It was a painting by Mary Joseph Blondell called La circusan Albaan. I don't know what that means, but it's it's a picture of a woman in a some kind of outdoor shower, and it is the most valuable item lost aside from you know, human life. The insurance claims for one hundred thousand dollars, which is about three million dollars today, okay, which is very crazy. So it's the most highly valued item lost. And in terms of just a recovery, artifact recovery, and it's getting back to the Titanic incorporated stuff. They are not allowed to through some kind of law. I don't really know specifically what it is. They're not allowed to recover items from inside the wreck itself, presumably because it's it's some way that it's classified either as an historic place or as a grave site, or some combination of the two. So they're only able to recover items that are from the debris field because the ship broke in two and it sank and it just spilled out all the stuff. The technical term in a you know, I think it's a called I want to say it's like a mile So it's just like a mile space just strewn with you know, a boiler with a china teacup on top, and a piece of you know, a staircase, and then a suitcase, and then I mean a piece right I do I own a piece of deck wid from the Titanic.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: Guess all right? All right, so that's I got five out of six, got a good bonus. We have come and thank you.

00:43:02
Speaker 1: It was very generous if you. We have now arrived at a round that I like to call what's in a name? Now, most of these are probably pretty easy, but at least but we'll start. We'll start soft, which punk rock band named themselves after a term from Aldus Huxley's book Brave New World.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the thing that's coming to me immediately is.

00:43:28
Speaker 1: The doors. Obviously that's doors of perception. But I'll give you the broadest hint imaginable that probably barely registers as a hint. Aldus Huxley famously died November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. His death was out shone by the death of JFK. I believe his last words were written down. He asked his wife or caregiver to shoot him up with some heroic dose of LSD to send them out, which which I appreciate. Somebody who also died on this very day, whose death was also over shown by the death of JFK was C. S. Lewis, whose books The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and the Chronicles of Narnia were known as religious allegories.

00:44:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, religion is allegories. I actually had a book of letters between who was C. S. Lewis and I'm trying to help you teenage Jesus in the Jerks Lyddy Lunches first band. Bad religion, bad religion. Okay, okay, did not know that? Do I get minus points? This isn't like Jeopardy, right, you don't take no, no, no, all right.

00:44:42
Speaker 1: This one's a little easy one because I a little easier because I think I've heard you speak of this. The scott punk band was named after a nuclear bomb test.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: Oh Operation IVY. Yes, yeah, my boys, oh Man. Operation IVY, famously the band that would spawn Rancid. Basist Matt Freeman, who was easily the best punk rock bassist of all time and frontman Tim Armstrong, who was then going by the nom du punk Lint, formed Operation IVY with Jesse Matthews and forget the drum Dave Mellow is the drummer. I think they taught him to play drums in like a week for that band. Yeah, And so they were Berkeley, they big Gilman kids. And then the band basically broke up after their first and only tour just because they were I mean, first of all, they were literal children. And then Tim Armstrong spent like a couple of years in the gutter. Literally, it's probably why he talks all weird, and it's definitely where he gets most of the material from this music from. And then Matt Freeman, who just seems like the sweetest guy. I follow him in on Instagram. He just posts about his dogs and taking motorcycle rides through like the Bay Area mountains. He said that he would form a band, a new band with Tim if Tim got sober. Oh yeah, and that band became Rancid or a different band that then became Ransom anyway, man, Yeah, operation I was great. That's probably as far as I get into skat actually, other than like the Specials and maybe the Toasters, and I like like one or two real big Fish song and maybe a mighty mighty Boston song and the Scottilits and the Slackers can you.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: Give us a pick it up?

00:46:36
Speaker 2: Pick it up?

00:46:37
Speaker 3: Pick it up?

00:46:40
Speaker 2: Kle Danny Elfman. That's what's funny about skat, is that like because there's that same emphasis on the upbeat if you're white, which shocker. So many SKA bands were Uh it sounds like PoCA because you're super square and you can't play it right. Scott of Lights are Jamaican or I think they were Jamaican studio musicians. Yeah, they were legitimately a just sixties Jamaican band, and so obviously, like you know, they have a different rhythmic feel that doesn't make it sound so cloyingly relentless.

00:47:16
Speaker 1: All right, this one, this one's.

00:47:18
Speaker 2: An easy one.

00:47:19
Speaker 1: Before they were renamed in nineteen eighty nine, what were Green Day originally called?

00:47:24
Speaker 2: Ah?

00:47:28
Speaker 1: What was Primordial green Day called?

00:47:31
Speaker 2: I know all of their stupid original like EP names like ten thousand smoothed out slappy hours? Is it like.

00:47:44
Speaker 3: You know it?

00:47:45
Speaker 2: Because I sort of dimly knew it.

00:47:47
Speaker 1: It's something children right, No, but it sounds very childlike. I don't know it.

00:47:55
Speaker 2: Then the Nimrods, Oh, that is interesting. Let me do a quick let me do a quick.

00:48:02
Speaker 1: Google circum check check me.

00:48:03
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, you're like, uh, Green Day original band name blood Rage and then Sweet Children.

00:48:11
Speaker 1: Is there Nonmrods.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: I'm not seeing that. Uh uh it might be one of their weird side project things. All right, we can toss that question out. Okay, okay, there is on discogs there's something called the Nimrods, but I do not, for the life of me, understand what this actually is.

00:48:32
Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm I'm challenging it. All right, Okay, that's okay, Okay, we'll take it over to the UK. Which punk band named their debut album, City Baby Attacked by.

00:48:42
Speaker 2: Rats g GBH, charge or charge GBH. They're one of those bands. They're they're that is correct, they were famous for They're one of their guys calling I think either invented or was like super famous for the liberty spikes hairstyle, Yes, that was it, or adopted by one of the sexual predators in the casualties or hey, uh what else do I know about GBA? Oh?

00:49:07
Speaker 1: Man, I just know that song.

00:49:09
Speaker 2: City Baby, City Baby, City Baby tak by.

00:49:11
Speaker 1: Rats, so good for bonus points. What does GBH stand for?

00:49:16
Speaker 2: It's it like a hair treatment or something. It's some kind of.

00:49:21
Speaker 1: No, not what I have on the card.

00:49:24
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you have in the card?

00:49:26
Speaker 1: Grievous bodily harm?

00:49:28
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I should have known that, because it's like it's like.

00:49:31
Speaker 1: A it's like a police code or something.

00:49:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it like it's a nine nine nine code or something. Yeah. There's also a punk band called nine nine nine of course, just the English nine month long correct. Oh good stuff, good stuff? All right? Baby about rats here? You're like, we just drive around in my saturn blasting that song. You'll enjoy this one.

00:49:53
Speaker 1: This New York City band's name was taken from a hypnotic sedative also known as ap stumped me.

00:50:00
Speaker 2: They may be obscure. I genuinely don't know gorilla biscuits. Oh yeah, gorilla biscuits. They're not that obscure. They're they're you know, in New York hardcore, once it kind of got out of the seventy seven punk influence, you started to get all these like preppy kind of guys, like preppy, posy guys like Youth of Today, Youth and gorilla biscuits. I might be showing my ass a little bit here. I never really liked this offset of hardcore. I was more into chromags. But uh, they were like all about like positivity and like staying clean from drugs and like loving your bros. And they would dress in like they literally dressed in like letterman jackets, like they were just so they were so wholesome. Gorilla biscuits. That's so funny. I remember, I'm just going on tangents now, but disco biscuits is British slang right for something. I think it's in snatch.

00:50:57
Speaker 1: No, disco biscuits was just another word for a kuailude from our Studio fifty four episode. I think unless there's a different meeting over there, then I'm.

00:51:04
Speaker 2: Gonna take umbrage with guy Ritchie because I can I can hear Jason Statham saying this about the Russian guy took too many disco Russian disco biscuits to the head and eat Russian disputations. Is that some kind of Cockney slang thing, That's what I thought, Jason Statham. I don't know, maybe they had a different kind of biscuit over in Britain, or maybe it's just anything sounds good coming out of Jason Stath and is really.

00:51:30
Speaker 1: The more whole of that story?

00:51:31
Speaker 2: All right, Great gorilla biscuits that's funny. But their logo is amazing. I forgot about the other crucial aspect of their iconography, which is champion. They were like so defined by like champion hoodies, like on this cover, on this cover of this one release, the Gorilla, he's got a very prominent champion logo on his on his hoodie. Yeah, that's so funny.

00:51:56
Speaker 1: All right, all right, last question for the What's in a Name?

00:51:59
Speaker 2: Round?

00:52:00
Speaker 1: So, just because I find this humorous, I want to hear you say it was.

00:52:03
Speaker 2: Henry Rowlands real name Henry Garfield.

00:52:08
Speaker 1: I love.

00:52:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rollins is so interesting. Uh, you know he had he was like a military kid. He got sent to some kind of uh I mean he looks like G I R.

00:52:18
Speaker 3: Joe.

00:52:19
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Henry Lawrence Garfield born in d c.

00:52:23
Speaker 1: Oh.

00:52:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to the Bullets School, which is an all male prep school in Potomac, Maryland. Yeah, he got really into weightlifting there and and he said that's what that's what credit setted him on that track and credited him with learning discipline. John Phillips of The Mama's and the Papas is an alum of the Bullets School. Possible c I A plant. John Phillips possible. Uh, never mind, Okay.

00:52:51
Speaker 1: My favorite fact about Henry Rollins was that he worked at a Hagen Das.

00:52:55
Speaker 2: Yes with with Ian Mackay.

00:52:57
Speaker 1: That is right, That is right.

00:52:59
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:53:00
Speaker 1: Other famous indie punk figure who was known for his ice cream capabilities Thurst and More was an ice cream man specializing in chip witches in the Lower East Side or before. I bet I don't know. That's funny.

00:53:16
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, back to the Titanic. Who headed the US inquiry into the Titanic's disaster. He was a senator, got his correct three part name, very white. Well, he's a.

00:53:32
Speaker 1: Senator in nineteen twelve. I don't remember.

00:53:37
Speaker 2: William Alden Smith. Yes, yes, The inquiry into the Titanic led to a led to major reforms in maritime.

00:53:45
Speaker 1: Safety, including the ice patrols. Where the ice patrol come from?

00:53:50
Speaker 2: And he was also a big railroad safety guy. He was a leading advocate for universal safety standards on railroads, which made him an enemy of actually the Vanderbilts. Yeah, this is this is great. Here's a wonderful thing from his Wikipedia. Smith was laughed at in the British press because uh he was He was nicknamed watertight Smith in the British Press because he asked whether the water tight compartments which were made to keep the ship afloat, were meant to shelter passengers. And then he asked the ship's fifth officer, Harold Low, what an iceberg was made of, and Low responded, ice I suppose.

00:54:31
Speaker 1: Sir, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:54:35
Speaker 2: All right, keeping in. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with the politics theme for at least one more. Which US president had a close friend, Major Archie Butt, a passenger on the Titanic who died.

00:54:46
Speaker 1: Taft it was easy, he was the president at the time.

00:54:51
Speaker 2: But yeah, Taft was wept openly at butts memorial service. He called him his younger brother, and he had to be led from the podium.

00:55:01
Speaker 1: You don't think he even smiled a little bit when he said the name Archie Butt.

00:55:04
Speaker 2: His body was never found, bomber. The only two federal officers, well, the only two, get it.

00:55:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good stuff.

00:55:13
Speaker 2: The only two US officers lost on the Titanic were this gentleman, Major Archie Butt and Frank Millet. And Taft has ordered the construction or supported the construction of Memorial Fountain to two of them in President's Park.

00:55:29
Speaker 1: I visited the grave at Woodlawn Cemetery of Colonel Archibald Gracie, who is a Titanic survivor. But he was in the water for a really long time and suffered. I forget how he was saved. I think he I believe he was one of the men who just climbed the board and overturned lifeboat and just was like on the backside of it as it as there's an air bubble keeping it afloat, and the air just seeped.

00:55:53
Speaker 2: Out throughout the night. See these guys like.

00:55:56
Speaker 1: Surfing on this overturned lifeboat as it sunk lower and lower lower into the freezing water all night. Horrifying. He suffered health effects from that for the rest of his very short life. I think he died and I want to say October November nineteen twelve, just a few months after the Titanic sank.

00:56:15
Speaker 2: Wonderful, and he's buried in Woodlawn. Yeah, let's see what we have for more questions regarding the Titanic. This is an easy one. What was the name of the ship that responded to the Titanic's distress call.

00:56:31
Speaker 1: The Carpathia, which steamed through an ice field at night at basically top speed. Act's not basically at top speed, putting herself in her passengers at risk to try to make it in time. But by the time they got to meet the lifeboats, they learned that there was nothing left. Carpathia would later be sunk, I believe by a German U boat in World War One in nineteen eighteen.

00:57:01
Speaker 2: What was the name of the only black man on the Titanic.

00:57:06
Speaker 1: He had his wife with him too, right, because his family, Yeah, this whole family.

00:57:11
Speaker 2: I don't know his name.

00:57:13
Speaker 1: I know there was either a documentary or some kind of a long profile on him. There was something came out about him recently, but I don't know his name.

00:57:22
Speaker 2: No, his name is Joseph Laroche. He was a Haitian man. He was born into some degree of privilege in Haiti, so he was multi lingual. He was sent to study in France. He spoke English, French and Creole. But in France, where their racist is hell, he wasn't really given many opportunities there, and so he was going to return to Haiti via the Titanic, and apparently the White Star was White Star line was moved to issue a public apology about the racism that some of these people faced on the Titanic with darker skin. He was the only person who spoke English in his family, so he had to he had to relate what was happening to his.

00:58:09
Speaker 1: Entire family and did he survive?

00:58:12
Speaker 2: No, so he couldn't follow his family, his wife and daughters into the life boat. And then that family subsequently returned to France just in time for World War One, and his story was largely overlooked until nineteen ninety five when a researcher named Olivier Mendez interviewed his daughter for the Titanic Historical Society, and then June of two thousand, Ebony ran a profile on him, which was probably the first time any publication naturally had paid any attention to him. So that is the story of the lone black man on the Titanic. Wow, what else we got?

00:58:51
Speaker 3: Um?

00:58:53
Speaker 1: You did a great job of picking questions that yielded like cool stories. Well, I was really just cheating for horror.

00:59:00
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one which Officer told White Star President Bruce ismay Off when he kept getting in charge of launching Lightboat number five.

00:59:12
Speaker 1: Sounds like Officer light taller fifth.

00:59:14
Speaker 2: Officer, Harold Harold Low.

00:59:16
Speaker 1: That was my second choice. Harold Low was kind of a spitfire. I believe he to keep people from swamping the boat. He fired his service revolver into the air, I believe. But well, as far as we know, to try to, you know, keep people at bay. And I think he swore at somebody. He swore at some there's some issue with him swearing that raised eyebrows. Or so get back or I'll shoot you all like dogs?

00:59:48
Speaker 2: Nice? Is that in the movie? Did that make it into the movie? Yeah? Did?

00:59:53
Speaker 1: Hell?

00:59:53
Speaker 2: Yeah? In twenty thirteen, a violin belonging to the Titan band leader sold.

01:00:03
Speaker 1: I will accept the price or the name of the band leader, what about both? Great Wallace Hartley was the band leader and there was an engraved plaque on it. It was a gift from his future wife. I think it was his fiance at the time. I want to say. Her name was Maria and was very sweet. And it was found on his body. I believe his body was recovered and it was like a small case that was still strapped to him, and so it was floating in the water. So it was it was damaged by the water. And I don't know specifics, but because it was damaged in such a way, it could never be played again, so the song can submergent. Well no, I mean, okay, So the last song that was played on it was the last song that was played on the Titanic as it went down. The name of that song has been hotly debated for over one hundred since it happened. Basically, some people believe we got into this in the our Titanic episode. Some people believe it was near My God to the that's kind of the more famous version. And it's also I think he was asked by a friend what he would do if he was stuck on a ship that was sinking, and he told his friend he would play that song as the last song, so that that unlike the Titanic, that holds some water. But there are other people who believe they heard a hymn called song de Tom, which I believe I think translates to song of Autumn. My eight years of friends are failing me right now. So yeah, and I believe it sold for I want to say, two point three million. It was so absurd amount of money, it was like, really one point seven Oh, well, that's a bargain.

01:01:50
Speaker 2: I've bargain at any price.

01:01:53
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more too much information in just a moment.

01:02:10
Speaker 2: How many more? One more?

01:02:12
Speaker 1: Okay, you're destroying me, by the way.

01:02:16
Speaker 2: Finally, here's a question that's it might be too hard for you. How many bathtubs were available for third class?

01:02:25
Speaker 1: There is a lot of talk about schools have thought about it. No, I mean there's a whole the short answers. I want to say two. I think it was two. That is correct. Yes, okay, you should really be giving me like two points for.

01:02:40
Speaker 2: That, one for men and one for women.

01:02:43
Speaker 1: Yes, but I might be having this wrong. I think there were showers or the equivalent of showers on board, and there were, I.

01:02:54
Speaker 2: Mean, it was just different back then.

01:02:56
Speaker 1: You kind of you had like places to sort of wash up, and that was kind of that past. They also weren't that many toilets either, because this was in the age when cabins aboard ships didn't have bathrooms in them, and that you had shared bathrooms in the hallway. And that was actually one of the things that doomed the Titanic Sister ship that survived into the thirties, was that she was kind of seen as really outdated because she didn't have these bathrooms and you know what they called en suite bathrooms. If she'd have built maybe like even a couple of years later, two or three years later, she probably would have There's a video by I consider them kids, at least in the realm of Titanic researchers, where you usually have people that are in their sixties, seventies, eighties, they're maybe, you know, in their twenties, early thirties that have spent the last twelve, thirteen, fourteen years trying to make a digitally perfect rendering of the Titanic for VR. You could basically travel through it. It's fully interactive. You can open every drawer, every door, or anything you want. You can change the time of day so that the sky looks different on the outside and the lights are on to the inside. They are truly crazy in a way that I can't even fathom, but they are amazing. They're called Honor and Glory is the name of the program, and they have a YouTube account and they have all these really crazy videos, and one of them is answering the question of how many toilets are on the Titanic, and the answer is not many. I want to say it's something like thirty something. I don't have that figure directly my tips. Oh sorry, I was wrong. There are two hundred and eighty five toilets and some with automatic flushing in third class cabins because a lot of people traveling in third class didn't know what a toilet was, and there were a lot of horror stories from third class stewards of just finding what all politely described as piles in the darkened corners of certain hallways because that was gross. Yes, okay, it's just gross. Let's just say it's gross. What you know, what you've I wish you could actually see this right now. My next category is called that's gross. And there's only six of these questions because they just got two gross. The first one, although this wasn't isn't strictly speaking, all that gross, But the guy who it's about assuredly is. And we'll talk more about that after you answer the question. What was buried with punk outlaw gg Allen, as requested in his country song When I Die?

01:05:36
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I think wasn't his grave like desecrated? Constantly constant yes, with fecal matter. Yeah, I can give you a multiple choice if you want. Yeah, okay, was he buried with all his money? His boy scout uniform, a photo.

01:05:53
Speaker 1: Of Hank Williams or a bottle of Jim Beam And again this is as requested in his country song when I.

01:06:00
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's if it's in song, I'm assuming it's whiskier the Hank Williams picture.

01:06:12
Speaker 1: Jim Beam.

01:06:13
Speaker 2: That is correct. Ah. I was really hoping it was gonna be the Hank Williams thing. To get that one wrong. Yeah. G g Allen Man, what a just a hilarious provocateur. There's a famous picture of him handing one of his records to Johnny Cash, whoa who looks like bewildered. Oh his shirt T shirt? Oh, the band was called The band was called gg Allen and the Murder Junkies. Yeah. I mean he was initially like just this insane provocateur, songs like bite It, you scum, and famous for like rolling in blood and encouraging people to piss on him and all this just awful scatological stuff. But then he actually has a rather delightful pivot to country music. There are many people myself included who prefer his country his country music. I guess.

01:07:02
Speaker 1: For years he used to threaten to commit suicide on stage on Halloween, but he was always in jail on Halloween, so he was never able to so he was never able to really make good on that.

01:07:16
Speaker 2: I guess.

01:07:16
Speaker 1: On the last night of his life, he was playing a show at a New York club called the Gas Station. It's film, this is on video. He did a few songs before the power went out, and then he trapped the venue, fled the police, and walked the city streets covered in fecal matter and blood, surrounded by adoring girls whom he embraced. He then went to a friend's apartment, snorted reportedly three bags of heroin, and discussed plans for an upcoming recording before nodding out. Several party guests posed for photos with the singer, who they believed to just be unconscious, unaware that he was already dead. His girlfriend at the time, who had actually written to him as a thirteen year old when he was in prison, she was on the roof chatting with a friend about her plans to marry Gig at the moment that he was down below dead. It was not until morning that friends realized that he was in fact dead. Par Gg's instructions, his brother put on his band's album Suicide Tapes while he lay in his coffin.

01:08:20
Speaker 2: Did you know that I didn't? I mean with a suicide on stage?

01:08:23
Speaker 1: Thing is?

01:08:23
Speaker 2: I immediately thought of Darby Crash from The Germs, and Germs are lauded as an la hardcore band. I never found very much musically to like about them, but they're famous for performance. In his Decline of Western Civilization the Penoblic Spears film, Darby Crash was intentionally going to commit suicide via a heroin overdose, and he chose the day John Lenning got shot to do so.

01:08:50
Speaker 1: He chose poorly. Speaking of music that punk guys listened to as they were dead or dying, Joey Ramone as he was dying in the hospital but on the U two song in a little while, and Kurt Cobain apparently listened to Automatic for the People by Rim before he shot himself. Okay, next question. In the That's Gross Round on tour in nineteen seventy seven, Joe Strummer of The Clash caught hepatitis.

01:09:19
Speaker 2: How did this occur?

01:09:21
Speaker 1: Was it a sleeping in a garbage bin, b someone spatted him and he accidentally swallowed it, c eating a bad curry, or d using a bathtub previously used by one of his rodies.

01:09:33
Speaker 2: I don't think you can get hepatitis through I mean, now I'm just showing my ass about hepatitis, but I don't think you can get hepatitis from food or bathtubs, right, I mean.

01:09:44
Speaker 1: I don't know.

01:09:45
Speaker 2: The thing about this time was that the spitting thing was insanely pot like that was just like a rite of passage for British punk bands, and it was disgusting. And the American bands that came over, like the Ramones, were just like mind boggled to the point of like physical altercation. I'm gonna say it's this bit one.

01:10:05
Speaker 1: That is correct. Wasn't Johnny Ramone like in Tears when he was like, why are they spitting us?

01:10:12
Speaker 2: I don't know's there's a lot of weird there's a lot of funny stories about that. Yeah, he's quoted as saying they got it on my guitar.

01:10:19
Speaker 1: He said. This is a quote from Flaming Groovies Chris Wilson. When they came off the stage, Johnny Ramone was in floods of tears because the punks had been spinning on the band. That was purely a London thing. Nobody did that in New York. I remember him saying, they got it on my.

01:10:33
Speaker 2: Guitar, they got it on my pick.

01:10:37
Speaker 1: Oh poor and Joey still didn't know if they had gone down well or not. Did they like us, did they hate us? He couldn't tell because the whole spitting thing really threw him. I read that the spinning thing started apparently because Johnny Rodden had like a sinus problem that led him to like spit a lot, because he was always really congested in the nose and throat, so he.

01:11:00
Speaker 2: Did have often sinus infections. Yes, the uh, I'm just reading now that Spin magazine. Actually, in May of two thousand, Douglas Woke wrote a Brief History of Gobbing. Adam Ant reportedly wore an eyepatch than to cover up conjuncti vitis he got. Susie Sue got both. Steve Jones rat scabies of the Damned blamed Steve Jones of the sex pistols polystyrene of x ray specs, one of the early trailblazing female fronted punk bands blamed sid Vicious.

01:11:36
Speaker 1: Do you know how rat scabies go?

01:11:38
Speaker 2: His name.

01:11:40
Speaker 1: Showed up to an audition for the damned, scratching at his skin condition and the rat. So that was the scabies, and the rat came when he wore presume I read it was a dead rat as an earring Jesus Christ.

01:11:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's enough about that's really gross or I'm sorry gobbing. I have a grocer story, oh wonderful.

01:12:07
Speaker 1: In Johnny Rotten's autobiography, he writes, it was laughable when Glenn Mattlock was in the band. When Steve Jones would masturbate. He'd pour hot water down a hollowed French loaf, chuck some raw liver in it, and then it the hot water. The hot water would cook the liver, and I suppose he's cooked it too, and then he then set it aside. I would turn up and Steve would say, I'm sorry, I've done it again. Should we make Glenn Mattlock a sandwich? I particularly remember how he used to love how soft the bread was.

01:12:43
Speaker 2: All Right, that's it. That's the line. I will not go further than.

01:12:47
Speaker 1: Okay, next question, speaking of bodily fluids, which punk rocker played so ferociously that blood and sweat would leak into his guitar, causing it to short circuit.

01:13:02
Speaker 2: A problem.

01:13:04
Speaker 1: A problem is a problem he resolved by turning the volume knob up to ten and soldering it in place and installing a waterproof switch.

01:13:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, that's Greg Ginn. He was playing an old Dan Armstrong. I think the plex one of the plexiglass guitars was also played by Keith Richards. And that's why so many Black Flag recordings just start with a squall of hainous feedback because there was no longer any it was on or off, and he played so loud that he would just flip it on, would just go immediately over. Fine. Yeah, Greg Ginn is such an interesting figure. He found it, s ST. Yeah, he was a real he He was a real tinkerer and also a huge grateful dead fan. Hilariously, But and SST, you know, their importance cannot be overstated. Uh, not just Black Flag, but Sonny Youth, I think Minute Men, Dinosaur Junior. And but the problem is is that gin has famously become like insane, the paranoid and controlling of all those master recordings and they all sound like dog because you know, the engineer they had spot was not super familiar. He did a perfectly serviceable job. But like they should all be remastered and remixed from the master tapes because they sound horrible and oh Hohoskar Do in particular, God, those Whoskar Do records sound like a hive of bees, which is so annoying because the songs are amazing. But yeah, Gin has famously reformed Black Flag with like a drum machine and whoever vocalist is ego deadened enough to take the job, and I believe it is also like a straight up abuser, a child abuser. So yeah, he sucks. But you know, the architect of one of the most foundational bands in punk history. So what are you going to do?

01:15:08
Speaker 1: Well, we're on the topic of blood. Just sort of a blood side bar as a story told from legendary rock photographer Bob Grewin. He's most famous to me as the guy who took all those pictures of John Lennon to New York City, you know, with the New York City T shirt and I think over by the Statue of Liberty and all those really iconic mid seventies John Lennon, New York shots. He was traveling with the Sex Pistols and one night the tour stopped on our roadside truck stop and sit had ordered steak and eggs and he was starting to eat right when a local show we say, came by his table and said, you're vicious. Huh, yeah, you're so tough. Let me do this. And the guy burned his own hands with a cigarette and Sid replied, can I hurt myself?

01:15:55
Speaker 2: Yeah? He took a steak knife, made a deep cut into his hand, blood dripped into his eggs and steak, which he kept on eating without missing a beat, and the guy watched and grabbed his family and fled the restaurant. Yeah, that's one of the stories recounted in Twelve Days on the Road. He also, at one point, I think, carved the words gimme a fix into his chest because he was obviously fiending from heroin, and they would basically he had a full time minder on that tour, and that guy's job was to keep Sid from scoring, because as literally as soon as the bus stopped, he would sprint out and go to try and find heroin. And the compromise that they accepted was he could drink as much peppermin schnops as he wanted, but not heroin.

01:16:45
Speaker 1: His mother bought him the fatal fix of heroin. Isn't that right? Because he was in jail at Riker's Island for the murder of Nancy and he was released and while he was in prison, he detoks and as soon as he but he was in jail, I want to say, for months and months and months. Yeah, I mean that's the problem. He That's what happens.

01:17:04
Speaker 2: Tallerance went down.

01:17:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his mother bought it for him, and I believe even shot him up. I could be wrong. There's a Final twenty four documentary Final twenty four about his life that gets into the forensics of that, if you care about such things. Okay, back to something a little, a little more lighter. Vomit, who was inspired to form his first band after seeing a Lex Interior of The Cramps Vomit on stage.

01:17:34
Speaker 2: Lux Interior, what I say, Lex? Oh yeah? Lux Interior took his name from a car ad Oh well yeah. Famously married to poison Ivy Rorshak, who they one of the most enduring and cute as hell punk rock marriages. They met at university of Akron and bonded over basically just being records. They were both into like Hazel Atkins and really weird obscure rockabilly, and they're credited with using the term psychobilly, inventing the term psychobilly, which has become its own demented subgenre of punk. And Yeah, Lux's trademark move poison ivy is still alive. Lux's trademark move was fitting the entire head of an s M fifty eight into his mouth, so that may have backfired and caused him to vomit, But I do not know the person you're referring.

01:18:29
Speaker 1: To, a young m McKay.

01:18:31
Speaker 2: Really, that is so funny. I would not have I would not have credited Ian with that. I guess that's probably somewhere in either American hardcore or I want to say, our band could be your life, but that escaped me. I e. It is just generally considered such a like upright example of like punk ethics and this that the other through all of his work with Minor Threat and Fugazi and the record label Discord, which is probably up there with I mean, it is up there with SST and Epitaph is like they're probably the Big three of American punk record labels.

01:19:10
Speaker 1: That's gross. Wow, this was so gross, Thank you so much. He also threw up at a music festival in Leeds, England in September nineteen eighty one, and he would later say that's when I knew I was a success. I got paid fifteen grand to throw up. So let's move off this now.

01:19:27
Speaker 2: I love the Cramps. You would probably actually like the Crams. I mean, I don't know how you feel about rockabilly, but they're like, I know that song from Wednesday Poison five, that's the Cramps.

01:19:37
Speaker 1: Oh Google muck, Yeah that's a cover. But yeah.

01:19:40
Speaker 2: They were obsessed with all this stuff, man, like really deep crate diggers.

01:19:45
Speaker 1: And if you go into their home.

01:19:47
Speaker 2: There's like a documentary of on Poison Ivy that has footage of the interior of her home, of their home, and it looks like the museum just all this vintage e femera from the music music industry, Coney Island, free show stuff, California, like drag culture. Poison Ivy is I believe, a three time champion of some racing competition.

01:20:10
Speaker 1: In this documentary, she.

01:20:11
Speaker 2: Just like hold it pans over like a series of trophies that she won for racing.

01:20:16
Speaker 1: I knew Miriam Lena a little bit. She was the founding drummer of the Cramps. I believe because she went on to run Norton Records, which is like a reissue label that has a lot of like obscure fifties and sixties, like proto grunge garage type stuff and a lot of weird stuff I used to DJ out. And she later wrote a book about the death and I believe murder of Bobby Fuller, who sang I fought the law and the law won. She wrote a book with Bobby's brother, and that's a story that is fascinating me for years. Bobby Fuller wound up dead and his mother locked inside his mother's car, covered in gasoline and bruises, with a broken finger, and cops refused.

01:21:02
Speaker 2: To investigate further. They said they marked it a suicide.

01:21:05
Speaker 1: And when his family was like, he didn't beat himself up and cover himself with gasoline, somebody clearly did this to him, they said, oh, you shouldn't ask any questions about this or else you might get hurt. And that was nineteen sixty six, so almost sixty years ago, and his death is still marked a suicide and no one knows what happened.

01:21:25
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it.

01:21:26
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you one more that's not gross. We need a palette cleanser off of that. This one's more fun. Please name it's a two parter sort of or a six parter depingdon on how you view it. Please name three things that the ramones want to do and three things that ramones don't want to do.

01:21:46
Speaker 2: Be your girlfriend, sniff some glue, be sedated, walk around with you, go down to the basement. Hear it. I don't want to hear it? Is that one. That's the last one. I'm the third. Don't want to is the one I'm blanking on. But I'm pretty sure I got the rest of those, Oh grow up are you? Including I don't want to grow up in there?

01:22:11
Speaker 1: The ramones don't want to songs are I don't want to be learned, I don't want to be tamed. I don't want to die in the basement. I don't want to get involved with you, and I don't want to walk around with you. But the ramones do want to be sedated, be well, be your boyfriend, want to live and now I want to sniff some glue.

01:22:28
Speaker 2: So there's I don't want to grow up, which Tom Waits covered, and then there's it's not be killed in the basement, it's go down to the basement because we talked about that's on the debut record, and that's like, that's the one famous to me because it's about like early slasher movies.

01:22:44
Speaker 1: All right, all right, one more round the piece, even though I'm not I have no chance of coming back.

01:22:49
Speaker 2: As the Titanic saying, which wealthy passenger changed into formal attire and is attributed with the quote we're dressed up in our best and are prepared to go down like gentlemen.

01:23:01
Speaker 1: But we would like a brandy at least that's what James Cameron had him say. Benjamin Guggenheim, who is related to the famous Guggenheim family.

01:23:11
Speaker 2: Correct for bonus point, who is he traveling with on the.

01:23:15
Speaker 1: Show his They would refer to them at the time as his valet, his man's servant.

01:23:24
Speaker 2: I no, not just the valet. Oh yeah, oh, I'm not sure who you're referring to. A French singer Leontine o'bert mistress. I didn't know that she is portrayed in the film.

01:23:40
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that kind of she's got a big old hat, big old hat.

01:23:46
Speaker 2: What was the final message sent from the Titanic's wireless room.

01:23:50
Speaker 1: Oh, this is creepy, Okay, So it was two v's. There's morse code v's. But the sound of that sounds like Beethoven's fifth Dunt dun dun duh dun dundu du It was the rhythm of dun dun dundun dot dot dot dot dash uh.

01:24:11
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, no one.

01:24:13
Speaker 1: Knows, but it's thought that that was some kind of weird bit of Gallows humor because all the all the wireless operators at this time that were like basically the computer it nerds of the era, they all had their own senses of humors. They would all refer to each other when talking to each other over wireless as old man like you know, as like as like a fake upper crust, like like teasing one another. Yeah, and so they all had like their own slang and lingo.

01:24:44
Speaker 2: And then they were nerds.

01:24:45
Speaker 1: I mean again, they were like the the equivalent of like our current day like it people. And so there's a thought that that was like a last little bit of Gallows humor, which is weird because right before there were two wireless operators, Jack Phillips who died and Harold Bride who survived. Right before they fled the wireless room, some guy came into the room and tried to steal one of their life fests, and they had to beat him up quite badly. So that whips.

01:25:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I did. I'm taking your word for that because I have here. The final message was CQD Titanic calling, come at once, we have struck a burg.

01:25:25
Speaker 1: So the last thing that's kind of the first thing they said, Okay.

01:25:29
Speaker 2: Well take that trivia dot FYI. So yeah, I'm gonna call that for you. Here's an obscure one. Provide me with either the name or the writer's name of the eighteen eighty nine novel with a number of eerie similarities to the tragedy of the Titanic.

01:25:47
Speaker 1: Yes, we talked about this on the Titanic movie episode Morgan Robertson, MARYL. Robertson. It was called Futility the Wreck of the titan Yeah, and it was written.

01:26:00
Speaker 2: You know, what did you say, eighteen ninety eighteen eighty nine.

01:26:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so more than twenty years before the Titanic sank. The ship was called the titan It struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic and went down by the head, which the same way the Titanic sank, and it was a great loss of life because it weren't enough lifeboats.

01:26:16
Speaker 2: Both sailed in April. Both could carry three thousand people. Titan was eight hundred feet long, the Titanic was eight hundred and eighty two and a half feet long, and both ships could reach speeds of twenty five knots.

01:26:27
Speaker 1: It's pretty weird.

01:26:29
Speaker 2: It is super weird.

01:26:30
Speaker 1: And then he was interviewed after the Titanic sank. You know, everyone was just like, what are you psychic? What's going on? He's like, no, I just really like boats. I just and he said something to the effect of, I really am interested in boats, and I just follow boating trends and like, this is just that's what happens.

01:26:46
Speaker 2: I predicted this. Yeah, that's so creepy.

01:26:49
Speaker 1: By just knowing a lot about boats, I guess he just knew like all the stuff that could go wrong and the way ships were being built, and yeah, this might.

01:26:57
Speaker 2: Be another gimme. But what was the name of the ship received The Titanic's distress call and elected not to help.

01:27:04
Speaker 1: It didn't receive, okay, the SS Californian, it didn't receive. So this was in the era when wireless was not seen as a safety feature on a boat. A wireless was installed as basically a luxury item to allow people to contact relatives on land, so it was not a twenty four hour a day service. Ships only frequently only had one wireless operator who would work office hours and then go to sleep. So that's what happened on this ship. In fact, this ship, the Californian, had tried to get in touch with the Titanic shortly before it struck the iceberg, and the Titanic's wireless operator literally said to him these are exact words, shut up, shut up. I am busy because the Titanic's wireless system had broken down the night before, and they'd been up all night trying to fix it. So there was a huge backlog of like, you know, hi, we're having a wonderful time on the Titanic, notes from rich passengers to just get out there. So he had a run. He hadn't slept the night before because he was fixing this wireless set, had a ton of work to do.

01:28:09
Speaker 2: Do you know the name of the man.

01:28:12
Speaker 1: Groves?

01:28:14
Speaker 2: No, maybe on the Titanic, on the on the Californian, it was Cyril Evans.

01:28:18
Speaker 1: Cyril I did know that, actually, so yeah, he so the Titanic told him shut up, I'm busy, so basically said, okay, he turned off his wireless set and went to sleep. It gets a little thorny when apparently the officers on the Californian and the captain, Stanley Lord, saw rockets on the horizon and rockets at sea means distress that Titanic was shooting off basically distressed flares, and they reportedly did see these rockets but elected to not pursue the matter further. And I'm not totally sure off the top of my head why that was. And it ruined this man's life, the captain of the Californian, Stanley Lord. I think he was fired and he was pilloried in the press. He was kind of a broken man for the rest of his life, which I don't necessarily yeah, I don't necessarily think it was deserved. I don't know offhand too much about In the press, it was seen as if he just you know, left these people to die. I'm sure there was some kind of reason because he was tired and wanted to nap. I think they were ten miles away, which wasn't that far, and the Carpathia was like fifty miles away. Yeah, that's not a great look.

01:29:33
Speaker 2: No, okay, here's a weird This is only tangentially Titanic related, so this might be a bit of a gotcha. But this is according to a January twenty fifth, two thousand and one article from United Press International Akaupi, which country and their highly conservative religious sect of violent rulers were jailing barbers for giving them the Leo haircut from the Titanic. They movie, they have previously, they have previously outlawed the Beatles cut.

01:30:15
Speaker 1: Iran. I have no idea. Afghanistan in the Taliban.

01:30:19
Speaker 2: Uhh, that's close. Yeah, oh Man jailed barbers.

01:30:24
Speaker 1: For eight hundred Alex damn.

01:30:26
Speaker 2: Twenty eight barbers in Kabul were arrested for giving the Leo cut. All right, here's here's a fun one. I'm looking up conspiracy theories about it. Well, this is a deeply bizarre one. The Titanic's hull was stamped with three nine nine.

01:30:44
Speaker 1: Oh four Oh, that's a good one.

01:30:46
Speaker 2: What phrase does that allegedly spell backwards? And how does it tie into two contentious sects of Christianity.

01:30:56
Speaker 1: Supposedly the reflection of it spelled no Pope, and it supposedly cursed the ship, it angered the Catholics don't believe in the pope. And the ship was built in Belfast, Ireland. So you had it played on the whole the troubles. Yeah, yes, yes, that's good. I did not expect to get lord good stuff. Huh okay, yeah, one more on you.

01:31:24
Speaker 2: I got one more in me. Let's see, this one is absurdly hard.

01:31:29
Speaker 1: We'll do this one.

01:31:29
Speaker 2: And since there's absolutely no way you will possibly get it, I'll have a backup. What was the name of the new bacteria found and identified in the ocean microbes that were sampled from the Titanic's hall. It's named for the Titanic. It's something like Titanica or something.

01:31:51
Speaker 3: Yes.

01:31:52
Speaker 2: Found in twenty ten, scientists discovered a new bacteria found in samples of these rusticles, dubbed Hollo Monus Titanic ha. Yeah, wow, damn, what a good one to go out on.

01:32:06
Speaker 1: That was That was good? That was good.

01:32:08
Speaker 2: All right.

01:32:08
Speaker 1: This round or final round is a themed round famous people, so they all involve people who are are sort of bigger than the punk meal u U. I should probably phrase this question differently to fit the category better. But how did Blink one eighty two get their name? Oh?

01:32:27
Speaker 2: It was just Blink and then they were sued by I want to say, an Irish band and they added one A two.

01:32:34
Speaker 1: What is the one eighty two though, is it? I mean, that's what I don't know.

01:32:38
Speaker 2: Is it I don't know, public indecency or public exposure or something.

01:32:42
Speaker 1: No, getting cold, getting cold? No, it's not a code.

01:32:46
Speaker 2: I don't know.

01:32:46
Speaker 1: It is the number of f bombs that al Pacino drops in scarface? Is that incredible? That makes me like them more?

01:32:54
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that actually happened to Dinosaur Junior as well, who brought brought up as SST. I loved Dinosaur Junior, but they initially just called themselves Dinosaur and then they were sued by like a band formed by a bunch of like also rans in a band called Dinosaur. H What was the name of this band or what was the thing of this band? I thought it was something hilarious. How it was like, Yes, Dinosaurs, a supergroup formed in the Bay Area, actually consisting of members of Big Brother and the Holding Company, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Jefferson Airplane, The Grateful Dad Country, Joe and the Fish and keyboardist Merle Saunders of the Jerry Garcia Band In Time, a guy from Hot Tuna, another guy from Jefferson Airplane, Nicky Hopkins Session legend Nicki Hopkins Country, Joe MacDonald and member of Moby.

01:33:55
Speaker 1: Grape began touring.

01:33:58
Speaker 2: That is Wild studio album released in nineteen eighty eight. Wow, what else we got?

01:34:05
Speaker 1: Which band? On the topic of band names, I know we already had a category for that. Which band is named for Marilyn Monroe's final film? Oh, that's the Pride of Lodi, New Jersey.

01:34:15
Speaker 2: Misfits baby Glenn Danzig one of my man, just one of the all time Italian Americans? Is he like me?

01:34:24
Speaker 1: Is he half Italian and half Eastern European? Danzig seems Oh? I don't think Danzig is his real name. Oh is that like a German tank or something. His name is.

01:34:33
Speaker 2: Glenn Allen Anzeloni. Yeah, all the Misfits guys had fake names. Do you know that Jerry Only who is the bass player. His name, his born given name is Gerald Kayaffah, and he got so tired of correcting people that mispronounced his name that he would just say just Jerry only, and that's what he started getting called. Glenn Danzig. Don't know how he got that name, but there's another reference to his I mean, he just referenced everything in the Misfits logo is itself actually taken from the Crimson Ghost, which was one of those old like cereals from the nineteen fifties. If you look up this thing, it is literally just that skull like but as like a as like a cheap mask, and then he just like ran it through a photocopier and Danzig's horn with skull like his demon horn. Skull logo is taken from I want to say a.

01:35:42
Speaker 1: Code in the Barbarian.

01:35:44
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, comic.

01:35:47
Speaker 1: Yeah he's got He's so funny.

01:35:50
Speaker 2: There's just a number of I implore everyone to just go onto YouTube and look up Danzig home movies, because there was at one point like a LaserDisc dish in or like an extraordinarily lavish box set of his stuff that came with a bunch of black and white home movies of him pacing like around his house and los flies, bare chested, just talking about his book collection of like, oh, he's.

01:36:16
Speaker 4: Like, there's one hundred and fifty documented cases of Werewolve's chronicle to his book All true, All true. There's one of them where you know they're hunting this werewolf in Germany and this guy comes out of the comes out of the forest shaking a baby in his teeth.

01:36:32
Speaker 2: Pretty cool, pretty cool danzigcilaris. There's so many Danzig ephemeros. I note one is that he used someone used to see him in his backyard with a giant ornate like full length mirror watching himself lift weights to his own music. There is a story about his bricks, most famously that he had a large pile of bricks in the front yard of his Los Fhela, Los Phillies home, and his neighbors were getting upset with him, and so one day he was out in the front yard hurling bricks into a dumpster he had rented, saying here I am cleaning up my mother bricks, bitch like screaming over and over.

01:37:16
Speaker 1: Obviously he got.

01:37:17
Speaker 2: Punched out one time by that dude, but just a tremendous voice man and a pretty great songwriter too. I mean he wrote actually a really beautiful song sung by Roy Orbison for the Less Than Zero soundtrack. Yeah, he wrote a song that was later recorded by Johnny Cash called thirteen Man.

01:37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:37:39
Speaker 2: I love Glenn dancing. He's so funny, tiny little guy, so short.

01:37:44
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of punk guys doing songs with rock legends, the Ramones, when they recorded their covers album Acid Eaters in nineteen ninety three, specifically a tribute to their favorite sixties bands, they got one of their heroes to sing backing vocals.

01:38:00
Speaker 2: Who was it?

01:38:01
Speaker 1: Who did get? Getting total sense? It makes total sense. You have to give me a hint.

01:38:06
Speaker 2: What song was it?

01:38:07
Speaker 1: Oh, it'll give it, It'll give it away, Okay, because it's a covers album. Yes, that's true. I don't know. Pass.

01:38:16
Speaker 2: Pete Townsend sang back the cover of Substitute Substitute, one of my favorite songs of the I'm just gonna pull up the this uh this wiki page real quick and find this out.

01:38:31
Speaker 1: Oh there are several guest singers actually, Tracys the the adult film actress sings.

01:38:38
Speaker 2: Sebastian Bach of skid Row singing on Rolling Stones cover, So technically I could have said any one of those.

01:38:46
Speaker 1: Three, although I said one of the rock heroes, and Tracy Lord's.

01:38:51
Speaker 2: Could have been a rock hero. She had a music career. Actually, I don't believe she did. Oh yeah, she did her song love Never. This is how they knew her actually because she was featured on the soundtrack to Pet Cemetery too. I'm guessing yeah, and Ramones did the song to the first one, which is one of my favorite of those songs. I don't want to be Baby pet Cemetery, So she had already been putting out right. That's so funny, that little connection. Here's a hilarious tidbit from Johnny Ramone's autobiography, Commando Townsend. Pete Townsend was a half an hour late for his session, resulting in Johnny giving up and leaving the studio to watch a Yankees game. Well, speaking of Tracy Lord's and pornography, I would say New York punk to English punk crossover, which New York Punk Icon was briefly considered to be a sex pistols vocalist. Which New York City Icon punk Icon punk Icon sex pistols vocalist.

01:40:04
Speaker 1: After Johnny rotten quit, I believe, so. I don't think there's a chance in hell of you getting this Richard Hell.

01:40:12
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, did you google that?

01:40:14
Speaker 1: I saw your figures move.

01:40:17
Speaker 2: I didn't. I just threw out a guess because he's the only other famous singer I could mention I thought of other than Joey Ramone or like. No, it actually makes sense though, because Richard Hell of television by the way, Yeah, but he also uh he was kicked out of television. But he's like one of the only guys I can think of that is like that early that the British punks would have been familiar with. I mean, they wouldn't have picked David Byrne, although yeah, can you imagine how funny that would have been? God's God Save the Queen.

01:40:51
Speaker 1: Apparently Malcolm McLaren was obsessed with Richard Hell's look.

01:40:56
Speaker 2: Yes, Richard Hell was one of the Yes that that that tracks, And that's what I remember about that is that Richard Hall was considered one of the archetypal early punks in terms of having like rip closed that was safety pinned back together, sort of the disheveled Johnny Thunder's hair.

01:41:13
Speaker 1: I guess Paul Cook and Glenn Matlock refused because they wanted an English singer to be the sex Pistols and new singer. Yeah, well let's see now. David Byrne even inspired me to other kind of nerdy punk adjacent people, the Modern Lovers. Oh yes, this is a gameme. Their first album was produced by a former member of the Velvet Underground. Who was it?

01:41:35
Speaker 2: John Cale was the only one who did any production work, right, unless it was lou Reid, because I know Richmond idolized lou Reed that was inspired to write road Runner and like a bunch of different songs by kind of that talk singing thing. But if lou Reid produced it at that time, I don't think that would have actually translated into any work.

01:41:56
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say John Cale, that is correct. Okay, I have I have a Modern Lovers follow up question. Speaking of the Modern Lovers, two of the members were later in famous and popular new wave bands, which were the bands Oh.

01:42:10
Speaker 2: It's Talking Heads and Blondie. Oh you got one, Tom Tom Club? Now I know it's it's that Jerry Harrison and Talking Heads and like proper new wave or like.

01:42:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the prototypical like the Wikipedia page landing photo for the New Wave.

01:42:34
Speaker 2: American Yes, Culture Club. No, No, I don't know. I don't know the second one.

01:42:40
Speaker 1: David Robinson later went on to be a drummer for the Cars.

01:42:43
Speaker 2: Oh far out. Yeah, that's wild man. Those guys must have been really way more plugged into the punk roxy and than we really give them credit for. Because famously, Rick Okasik produced one of the brad Brains records. Yes, yes, Rior is the label, but that's amazing. They must have been way like actually down in the bowery seeing this stuff. That's so cool. It was cool.

01:43:09
Speaker 1: Rick Okasek whips Weezer producer, Rick Okay s and okay, last question, because I have a factoid about Patti Smith. What member of the Motor City five MC five did Patty Smith Mary.

01:43:23
Speaker 2: Oh Fred Sonic Smith baby?

01:43:25
Speaker 1: That is correct. They were married until Fred's sudden death in nineteen ninety five from heart failure. They had two children. The elder Jackson grew up to marry White Stripes drummer Meg White in two thousand and nine. That is crazy, and I thought that would be a good one to end on because Patty Smith was the last person to perform at CBGB's before it closed in October two thousand and six.

01:43:50
Speaker 2: Patti Smith, if you read Please Kill Me, the punching bag of that book, yeah, derided as like an incredible clout chaser. There's obviously a whiff of misogyny there, a lot of that was a similar complaints were also lodged against Sonic Youth and you know Kim Gordon and Thurston Moore, where I think the quote about them is that they were very conscious of being seen at the right parties and like talking to the right people, you know. But yeah, Please Kill Me is very very stacked against Patty Smith sort of one of the only things that runs counter to her like deification.

01:44:28
Speaker 1: Well you know, I think it looks like we tied.

01:44:32
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, oh man, that's the that's the best possible outcome.

01:44:37
Speaker 1: So there are no winners, but two losers.

01:44:41
Speaker 2: Or two winners and the best friends. That is true.

01:44:44
Speaker 1: That was fun.

01:44:45
Speaker 2: I like doing these folks.

01:44:47
Speaker 1: You actually, if I shra you've actually enjoyed That's how it's gonna phrase that. Folks, if you enjoyed that, please let us know. We can do more of these types of episodes every now and then. I thought that was really fun, you know. I mean you always joke about doing oops all digressions episode and that's pretty much.

01:45:03
Speaker 2: What this was. Yeah, true, I mean it's because it's difficult to find like overlapping, because my tastes only get like more granular and less like pre war delta blues or just broadly speaking, jazz.

01:45:18
Speaker 1: Well, I just knew this would yield like scatological anecdotes and.

01:45:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that says more about you than me, it does, you know very much. So well, folks, thank you. This has been the second stump the buff episode of Too Much Information. We will be back whenever the hell we want with a regular episode.

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