#395 - Jessie Jo Dillon On Her Idol Being Rude Because of Her Famous Father, Dean Dillon + Writing Songs For George Strait, Old Dominion, Megan Moroney & More + Why She Doesn’t Perform at Writer’s Rounds + Wanting to Run Away from Being a Songwriter + What It's Like Writing a Hit Song

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Speaker 1: She was like, Hey, we got to go back to my hotel. I want to play you something. I had no idea that even.

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Speaker 2: Didn't tell you yet.

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Speaker 3: Cut the song.

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Speaker 1: Right, We're standing in this room Niche, Alex, Mike, and Dan and he's like, guess who's on ten thousand hours with us?

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Speaker 3: And I was like who? He said, Justin Bieber. Who know. It's like, shut up, that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to episode three ninety five. Jesse Joe Dylan. This past year has been insane for her. I had to actually tell her how many cuts from other artists that she's had.

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Speaker 2: Didn't even know. She was like, oh, wow, because that doesn't feel good. You'll hear it. She's like, yeah, it feels pretty good. I said, do you know?

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Speaker 4: She's like really, see, that's how you know things are hitting Jess right. But I liked her because even then, you know, like everybody, regardless of how much success you have or success you don't have, you kind of still feel like what you felt like before. She's like, oh, really, I know I don't really feel like but really cool conversation. Now, let's talk about her notable releases. Ten thousand Hours. She wrote this, Dan and Shay with Justin Bieber. We talked about when a song was pop.

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Speaker 2: Because that song had so so so many streams, still does Old Dominion Memory Lane, which.

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Speaker 4: Is on the chart right now. It's number fifteen or so. Cole Swindell Break Up in the.

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Speaker 2: End, even though We break Up was Grammy nominated, ACM nominated. Maren Morris Rich.

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Speaker 4: In twenty ten, she got a Grammy nomination for her very first cut, which is why it's like a okay, rookie year. Let me just take away my home run first bet bat. That's what rarely happens. So it was a song that she wrote with her dad and Casey Bethard called The Breath You Take That George Strait recorded. The song was nominated as Best Country Song. At the twenty eleven Awards ceremony. She had to be like, well this is easy. Yeah, well this is all it takes pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's her story.

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Speaker 4: It's her born and raised in Nashville, moving off, trying to avoid what's in Nashville as far as like the music scene, and then going you know, I'm meant to do it, and then she moved back. Her dad is Dean Dylon, who a couple of years ago in the Country's the Hall of Fame. Wildly famous and successful songwriter. But man is a great talk really enjoyed the time with her. Here she is Dun Dun du Jesse Joe Dylan follow her at Jesse Joe Dillon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So I had the old dominion guys, we're rolling by the way, We're okay, We're good. We had the old dominion guys in my favorites.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about their latest single, Memory Lane. Yeah, and you'd come up even in that conversation. He'd come up so many times with so many people. And then Mike and I were talking. We was like, we should just get her in here. She keeps coming up over and over again. So with you and writing with the band. When I interviewed the band, mans are difficult to interview because if there's not just one main person, Yeah, you got to like pay equal attention to everybody, right, And it's like make sure everybody feels like they're when you write with them.

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Speaker 2: Do you have to deal with that a little bit too?

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Speaker 1: You know some bands, for sure, I'm thinking of some those guys. I've known them so long, and you know there is some dynamics in there, but they're all just such great songwriters that we wrote two songs that day and it was just kind of the volleyball. I mean, it's like playing volleyball when I feel like everyone's really on just that.

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Speaker 4: Do they feel like do they just jump into because again they're individually they're all great songwriters yea in that group, so they all feel comfortable where it's not the band dynamic so much as it's just four really strong songwriters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, more than it's.

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Speaker 4: Old Dominion and it's you and Old Dominion. It's you and four equ like peers, yes for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and being pretty tight with all of them severally and then together it just felt it's just one of those great days where everybody just, I don't know, songs just appear.

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Speaker 3: It's weird.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like you're the word's not peaking now, but do you feel like you're in your prime prime? Because everything right now from the outside looking at it looks like you're just crushing it like data. And I'll read this everybody, they already know I'm insane. But just this year of twenty twenty three, you've had twenty one cuts in the last twelve months, you've had thirty two. So in the from January to now, you've had twenty one cuts, but twelve months a full year, h like may like last.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've had thirty two cuts.

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Speaker 3: That's I don't think I knew that.

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Speaker 2: Does it crazy? It doesn't feel like it's just constantly you know.

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Speaker 3: It's funny you asked that because I was.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my publisher yesterday and I was just in Florida on a writing trip with Tyler Hubbard and Jess Fisher and Gorley and some friends in Florida, and I'm such an ere by nature that he's been telling me like.

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Speaker 3: We're getting there, we're going, We're going.

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Speaker 1: Alex my publisher, and this weekend. It's funny you bring it up too. I'm like, maybe something's happening. Because I'm feeling really good about my work and a lot of new artists I really love and getting to work with them. I feel excited, kind of like I did when I first started.

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Speaker 2: Megan Maroney was in I love her. Yeah, and we've been lucky enough to know her for a while too, because she's blown up it's crazy, Yeah, and we were lucky enough to be like, oh, man, she's good. So we had her in last year and we were kind of breaking.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow you yeah, you got in there.

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Speaker 4: So what was cool was I already knew her and I didn't feel like I'm just going to call somebody's blown up. And because she's so I was like, Megan, we won't talk to you again. She's like, great, she comes in. She plays girl in the mirror.

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Speaker 3: Yes it.

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Speaker 4: And I remember just talking to her about her being just a real songwriter, not that there aren't real not that people aren't reals, but you could tell she takes it seriously. And I could tell she took it seriously mita first time. But I said that song, I'm not even a girl, and I like, a I feel that, And she shouted you out too, in the same way. But that song is really good, like to the point where I'm jaded and I still get like little bumps every once in a while, and that was one of them.

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Speaker 2: That was the case.

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Speaker 1: Man, that means a lot to me. Come over, you hear so many songs. She is a very real song in. I mean she came. That was the first time we met, and I think I feelks she's my little sister or something. I think we're a similar person and relationships, and she had that idea and I remember being just like damn even and as the day went on, you know, it was just she I just am so proud of her, and like you said, she does take writing very seriously and loves country music, and that song, I think we both kind of bled into it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You can see the blood, you can feel the blood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the best, most vulnerable way where you're like, I'm gonna say everything. It's going to be uncomfortable, but then everybody goes, oh, you're so uncomfortable, it makes me comfortable type thing.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I do think songs can do that. It's crazy with her too.

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Speaker 2: I think she gets a and I mean, this is the best way.

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Speaker 4: I think she gets a raw deal because she is pretty, yes, and she has blonde hair, yes, and people are just like, well, she must be just a polished product totally. But that's why I was just so set on emphasizing to my audience that she is such a songwriter.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she is the real deal and always comes in we've written since then, always has ideas and is very aware of her perspective and her fans.

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Speaker 4: That's what I told her too, Like she knows who she's talking to and why she's talking to them, all what she wants to say to them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And a girlfriend of mine was just one of her shows last weekend and she sent me a video and it's pretty nuts.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Orange and some songs and Girl in the Mirror and then I'm Not Pretty, which also I'm a fan of all her songs.

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Speaker 3: I'm not on, Like I've listened to I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not Pretty probably one hundred times, right, But she had the whole audience was singing every word and Shanna, my friend, was like, man, I haven't seen this with a new female in a long time.

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Speaker 3: It was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: Just I'm just so happy for her because she is such the real deal. You always want to see that win and sometimes it doesn't, and I'm happy that it's winning and I feel like it will continue to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 4: Not to stay on Megan, but I feel like you've been such an instrumental part of her, of her being a credible songwriter, because you can't get in with you unless you who is so established, Like you're not just gonna hop in a room with anybody, right. I think that's a big deal for Megan to be, like for you to write with her.

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Speaker 2: But something about her.

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Speaker 4: And I have another old menu question. But yeah, she came in and she was sick and she was gonna perform. I was like, you don't have to perform, Yeah, like, absolutely, don't perform. If you're not feeling good, do not perform. She's like no, She's like, I have to perform. I can perform, and she freaking ripped out two songs. Cheat dang go Megan, Yeah, whatent to a different key? Let's go saying it? And it was great, but so like almost like a professional, and it's been a professional for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I got older than she is. She does is very.

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Speaker 3: Much and she was she a marketing major? Is that what it is?

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Speaker 4: When she was a she was she was something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you can really see that in her too. It's very very professional, very Okay, this is I see where I'm going with this. Whether you guys want to believe in me or not, like, this is where this is the direct direction I see it going.

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Speaker 3: And I love that she did it when she was sick. I can see her doing that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's fine to Earlier, you were talking about you wrote two songs that day with Old Dominion, So uh and.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you write them both quick or did you stay late?

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Speaker 1: We actually wrote them both pretty quickly, which all days or not like that, as you know too, having so many writers in here.

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Speaker 3: But it was and.

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Speaker 1: Both are obviously ones on the radio. The other song I love a lot too. They it was just quick. Everybody was in the zone that day. And I never know what to attribute that.

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Speaker 4: To, but if they were quick, I think some of it were probably Looking at your dad, I have be attributed to you, I mean, just by all the you ever go in and you're just not you're just not clicking. Because I have those days and I rely on people to help me click.

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Speaker 1: This makes me feel better say that I've had some a lot recently actually.

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Speaker 4: And then you know what killed there'll be a great show and man, what a funny And I'm like, you know.

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Speaker 2: Like I was there, but I really didn't. It wasn't me. Yeah, that's yes, And so I get the credit just because it's but.

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Speaker 4: In reality, I wasn't clicking that much and everybody else kind of carried the thing.

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Speaker 1: That's so true because it you do, then for me, I'll lean heavily on co writers and they would say the same thing, like oh you were bad.

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Speaker 3: It's like, don't lie to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then I feel guilty that the credit and I'm like, we don't understand. It was mostly bothers you for days. Do you ever have you ever competed against yourself on the chart?

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Speaker 1: I feel like break up with You in Maybe and Rich were out at the same time, but I don't think they were near each other.

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Speaker 2: If I remember, they weren't batting.

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Speaker 3: I was not Morgan Wallen right now.

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Speaker 4: Two songs of yours that I thought should have been number ones were Rich by Maren I had in my second book, I wrote, I had a playlist that I'd do before i'd go out, and a new stand up so before I'd go out on the stage, and I'd go in theater and be mister hello. I'm very introverted until it's time to be extroverted, yes, and very one very the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really always flower fly on the whatever they say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed when I came in you were quiet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got nothing to say.

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Speaker 4: I say stuff all the time, but when I got nothing to say, I don't say anything, and so but Rich and there was a snoop song, but Rich was on my playlist of songs I would listen to because it really it really pumped me up, like I loved it.

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Speaker 2: And then I played it a bunch on the air.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I was so surprised that that song was not and Brett's songs about you, that song hurt.

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Speaker 2: That song is like an A plus song.

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Speaker 3: I love him so much best friends. Yes, he's told me that he loves you so much. I mean obviously you know, but.

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Speaker 2: That one, thank you. I I just find out now Brett love me too.

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Speaker 3: He loves me too, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Last time I saw him, he was talking about you. You guys have just done something or Donner or something I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: He's kind of the only person to hang out with, like Brett and I hang out twice a week at least. I love that, right because he he's very introverted.

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Speaker 1: He's very introverted, very particular, one of my favorite particular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll leave it to that, very particularly.

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Speaker 3: What time are you going to bed tonight?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're listening, well, he will be when you have these songs come out, And I mentioned some of them, and I'm gonna get to a bunch more. Do you ever feel like you want to release your own version of it like Laurie McKenna will do occasionally?

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Speaker 3: You know, No, I don't think I.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people ask me weirdly, it's also weird question keeps happening if I want to make a record ever, and I've never really wanted to until the past year. I went out to when Brandy Clark was cutting her latest record that's coming out with Brandy Carlo into Shangri Law in Malibu, and I was so inspired by that place, and I thought, I wonder if somebody I'd want to make just a project, even if it's just for me, But I think I would want to write, hunker down and write for it instead.

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Speaker 2: Of cuttings, taking songs that you've written.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that either were released or even ones I love that weren't. I don't know, but probably won't ever happen with this.

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Speaker 4: I was talking to Brandy I don't know where it was, because she loves you too.

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Speaker 2: She's awesome, I mean, yeah, she was. When it comes to like folks like I love brand she feels awesome, so I saw her. She was like, you know, you just mentioned Brandy's producing the record, and so is that? Is it really good? Yes?

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Speaker 4: It's crazy because I said, don't. I don't want to hear anything until it's all there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you listen to the song's two songs.

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Speaker 4: I won't listen because, okay, I usually don't listen to music early anyway, unless I'm close to the person.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: However, I told her, I want to hear it, but I want to hear it all because Brandy also is someone who will go A to Z and it's all in the package. Yes, And so I want to hear the whole package from her because I like her.

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Speaker 2: Yes? Is she?

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Speaker 4: And maybe I should frame the question like this, who are your close confidants in the industry that you can lean on when you're sad or happy or suck or killing it?

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Speaker 1: Brandy, for sure, she's like my sister, is my very, very best friend.

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Speaker 3: Ever.

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Speaker 1: I actually just told her. I was like, oh, I'm going to do this. You's like want tobom me? I said, Hi, but who else? My publisher for sure, Alex Settle.

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Speaker 2: Were you guys close before you started working?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? We were friends and then it.

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Speaker 1: The two deals that I had before this. I we're kind of like, not the best deals, but I'm thankful for them because I met Brandy, Shane Matt ultimating guys for sure. And then when it was time for my deal to come up, he had gone to Big Machine and him and Mike were like, please come here. Ler Velt's who I write a lot with. Chase mcguill. My dude, he's like my brother.

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Speaker 2: What about Chase to you? So cool?

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Speaker 1: You know, we met a long time ago and we both love country music, traditional music, but then we also bonded over we love like old the Connor Overs, Susan Bright Eyes, Brand New this like punk kind of singer songwriter band. We just really bonded over music. And he's such a good writer, such a cool dude.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We kind of have like just always had a connection like work like writing songs wise and friendship wise.

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Speaker 4: When you mentioned Alex your publisher, and I asked about that dynamic, like I am really close now to I have two dual managers, Okay, and I don't think I would have. But we're together or talking about something or creating something or it's all well all the time. Yeah, And it has made us very close. And I wonder if the publisher relationship with the writer is like that, if one you're doing awesome, and two if they believe in you so much, and I mean it's just an organic If you're doing well, he's doing well, and you also like each other, does that just make you closer?

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like yours, And I think I mean you talk to them so much, like I talked to him every day without multiple times usually. And although I don't know if you were friends with your managers outside of.

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Speaker 4: That ever, I was not before I knew them, Okay, but I wasn't friends with them.

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Speaker 3: Does it ever?

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Speaker 1: Because sometimes when I'm pissed off about something or he's pissed off.

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Speaker 3: In me about something you have, it's tough.

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Speaker 4: It's like the people that work on my show there. I brought him on my radio show because I was great friends with them right but beforehand.

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Speaker 2: But I also have to be the boss.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and there's that professional relationship slash dynamic that at time, and it's great now we've been doing it like sixteen seventeen years, Like I took people from that are awesome. I'm at a restaurant, and so we've been doing it for so long. But yeah, it gets it gets difficult because most other times it's so easy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and when it really We've had moments before I've thought I should not have just said that, or I wish I maybe you should have addressed this in a different way, like because it's your friend, and I mean, I feel like me and my whole family. Rudy's pretty hot headed, so sometimes I have to check myself. But I'm trying to get better than that therapy, I guess. But yeah, it's an interesting thing. But I don't I really don't know what i'd do about him. I have to credit him for things even going so well, because I mean, ever since I've come over there, he just was like, I believe in you so much and I'm going to make this happen and we can do it together.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, how much of a factor is he in your with you professionally?

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Speaker 2: Like does it I.

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Speaker 4: Know the answer to this, but I'm gonna ask it really in an uneducated way.

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Speaker 2: Does it matter who your publisher is?

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Speaker 3: I definitely think so.

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Speaker 1: I think most more even than just the company, it matters if you have a person this is I would tell any new writer or a writer that's like, my shit's not popping?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: If you have a person that really believes in you, I feel like at it. I mean everyone says ten your town, and I do think that's true. But eventually, if there's someone as your partner, it's gonna work if you are talented, and I'm which anyone I feel like that has a publishing deal is probably talented. So I feel like, yeah, I mean he I mean, there's so many people I wouldn't know if it weren't for him who are good friends now, but like Dan and Shay.

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Speaker 3: I sort of knew Shay, but I.

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Speaker 1: Didn't know Dan and uh, Brett like getting me with Brett. I mean Alex, who is now such such a dear friend. There's so many artists. He's very good at at that. He's uh, he's a Willing and Dylan kind of guy. But he's sweet. So it never comes across as like the business I'm always trying to do make some like business move.

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Speaker 2: Like I you shoot guns, always say willing and.

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Speaker 3: Well you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Sam? Right, So it does matter.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so that I was like, how did Yeah, it does matter. I think if having a person that's that really, whether it's a writer, manager, whether it's your publisher or whatever, I think it's so important.

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Speaker 3: I see that with artists too.

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Speaker 1: Where they'll get storry eyed about a big manager that has big clients, and sometimes they are great for an artist, but other times I'll think, gosh, I hope they have someone over there in like a day to day that.

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Speaker 2: They don't get lost. Right, it's easy to get lost.

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Speaker 1: Yes, especially if they have someone so big that it's a twenty four hour a day.

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Speaker 3: That's who they're going to focus on.

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Speaker 4: Because the benefit is, let's just say I'm a new artist and I get on with Luke Brian like Carrie's manager. Luke and I go and I'm like, I'm a new artist, and carries like I'd like to manage you. Well, the benefit is you have a lot of leverage with Luke. Heck yah, Luke's on new tours. Are going to be on the tour. But what's tough is Luke twenty four hours and you're probably not going to get that attention unless Carrie goes, I've got this other day to day that it's going to manage you and hopefully that relationship is great and hopefully the other day to day.

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Speaker 2: Well they got to make money, yeah, and making a lot off you right away, right, So yeah, it's kind of a sensitive situation.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's find your champion. It's like a relationship or something. I find your person or whatever. I think that's one of the biggest things for artists and songwriters alike, because it's so symbiotic when it feels right, because I spent years having it not be and so when I found Alex and Michael Olnar, it just it definitely, I feel like has changed my life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't heard that, but I have already talked about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of that chat GPT thing that people have been like, Oh, I type this thing in to see if it could write a song.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 3: King of country though? I mean, that's a pretty good line.

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Speaker 2: I did, I know rightly.

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Speaker 3: I was like, dang, that's good.

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Speaker 2: He's the king of country. Uh the ten thousand hours, which is hours? You know.

00:23:38
Speaker 4: I know Dan and Shape rather well. We moved down about the same time and friends a long time, and you know that song by itself was going to be amazing. Anyway, Yes, when you heard that Bieber was going to get on it.

00:23:54
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes I still can't believe it.

00:23:59
Speaker 1: And the way that it happened is a memory I just never will forget. I was in New York with Alex, my publisher, doing a some kind of panel I don't grammy panel maybe and Dan I like posted something on my story and he responded to it and was like, Yo, are you in New York? I really want to see you today? And I was like, yeah, I'm with Alex. Let's all meet up. So we ended up going to this like sports bar some guys were watching games or something, and then he was like, Hey, we got to go back to my hotel. I want to play you something. I had no idea that even cut the song. I'm assuming at this point though, I'm like, oh, maybe they cut ten thousand hours.

00:24:43
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, just Dan and Shay. Yes, got it.

00:24:45
Speaker 3: So we get to the hotel.

00:24:47
Speaker 1: We're standing in his room, Niche, Alex, Mike, and Dan and he's like, guess who's on ten thousand hours with us?

00:24:58
Speaker 3: And I was like who, He's said.

00:25:00
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber and it was like, shut up, that is ridiculous. I was like, for real, though, I want to hear it, and he was like, no, he's really on the song and I was like, I was a dude, no, blah blah blah. I did not believe him. And finally he just put headphones on my head and it already sounds so great from the top. I was like tearing up. And then when he started singing, I mean I just cried. I mean, there's like video of it wherever. We're all freaking out, but it is like one of my favorite memories. I still can't believe it, really, I don't think sometimes is.

00:25:30
Speaker 4: That like a different ballpark financially when it goes pop?

00:25:34
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, and that song Like Hardy even texted me when they were just in Australia and he was like, bro, I'm in.

00:25:43
Speaker 3: This coffee shop and they're playing ten thousand hours.

00:25:46
Speaker 1: It's crazy just because it's like, actually I think it is New Zealand. It wasn't even Australia because it's been out a while now, but that and that's a difference. I think too that having someone like Justin on a song it becomes so international where country I mean maybe some country stuff does that. I had never had country stuff that did that, but it definitely is different money wise.

00:26:09
Speaker 3: If you get on a pop chart.

00:26:10
Speaker 4: Is there a song that obviously another artist is known for. They may have written with you, or you may have written it and then it got to them, but it's very personal to you. But it's just somebody else singing it. Oh yeah, Meaning it's about your thoughts, not just because you're so close to it because you wrote it how you're feeling. But I mean, it's like if you were singing a song, and that'd be the song you would sing because it really represents who you are.

00:26:37
Speaker 3: I think.

00:26:42
Speaker 1: Actually, a Brandy you haven't heard it yet, but she wrote a song just the two of us that's she put out a month ago.

00:26:51
Speaker 3: Maybe it's called Buried.

00:26:53
Speaker 1: We wrote it last year, I think in the spring, just at her that is song. It's hard for me to listen to that song because I had gone through a really brutal breakup. Is completely gutting to me, and it's still hard for me to She sounds amazing. I mean, the way they recorded her vocals even was a really cool thing that Brandy Carlile did. But it's that one's really hard because it feels so personal.

00:27:27
Speaker 3: That it makes I don't know that one's hard.

00:27:30
Speaker 2: What do you do? You do the song right A rounds?

00:27:33
Speaker 3: I don't.

00:27:34
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, I'm kind of shy, and I even coming in here today, I was nervous, to be honest.

00:27:40
Speaker 2: Okay now though, yes, yeah I'm super warm, right yeah you are, like yeah, yeh.

00:27:45
Speaker 3: Yes you are. But I get I get a rash.

00:27:48
Speaker 1: I might even have it right now when I get hot or nervous. I remember when I was trying to get a publishing deal back when I was like twenty one, I had.

00:27:57
Speaker 3: I was sitting across from.

00:27:58
Speaker 1: Frank Lydell songs on my guitar and I went into the bathroom and it was so bad, like I was like, he probably didn't hear anything.

00:28:07
Speaker 3: I just did.

00:28:08
Speaker 1: He watched this rash crawl up me like I'm the Walking Dead or something like. She So I hate the long story. Short rounds kind of scare me, but I don't.

00:28:17
Speaker 4: Because I've never seen you play around and not that I go to many of them now, but I've been a few and I've played and if you do some of my comedy stuff, yes, but I never played with you or seen you play one.

00:28:27
Speaker 3: I know. Maybe I need to make myself do.

00:28:29
Speaker 1: Chase actually texted me the other day about doing private stuff and he was like, dude, like, come on, let's just go do it together like Jesse and Jr. And we make money whatever, and it's really good to get over.

00:28:41
Speaker 3: I know, that's what he said.

00:28:43
Speaker 4: You have big songs. You have really big songs and a lot of them. It's really good, easy money. Hard to get those offers, right, it's really if.

00:28:52
Speaker 1: That's what he I know. And have you ever taken beta blockers?

00:28:56
Speaker 2: No, you probably don't thought about it.

00:28:58
Speaker 1: Okay, me too for golf though, but because I can, Yeah, you get two DUTs.

00:29:03
Speaker 3: Really that's your nerve wracking.

00:29:06
Speaker 4: Like I can walk out on stage do a bunch of new comedy for two thousand people.

00:29:09
Speaker 2: I know some of us gonna bomb. That's okay. I'm not nervous. I can do radio, be on live TV.

00:29:13
Speaker 4: Whatever.

00:29:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:29:14
Speaker 2: All good.

00:29:15
Speaker 4: Because I've played it and I've failed so many times. I know the worst case is going to happen. I can get through it, no big deal.

00:29:20
Speaker 2: I like, if I'm playing golf, Yeah, it sucks because I'm like I'm shaky at crap. Yes, so I've thought about that. Are you thinking about taking one for Oh?

00:29:30
Speaker 1: For that, I've thought about it because it's it's not like Xanax. Right, No, we were messes you up. Okay, because I saw it literally on the Kardashians or something I think, where they were like, just take a Bana blocker and I was like, what is that? And then I looked into it and now I'm like, maybe I can do that to play more so I don't get.

00:29:47
Speaker 2: A rash or just go Xana go fulls.

00:29:48
Speaker 3: Hands Fullanax, drink some whiskey.

00:29:52
Speaker 2: Good scene.

00:29:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be like my dad in the eighties.

00:29:59
Speaker 2: I saw a TikTok he Dad that was so funny.

00:30:00
Speaker 4: By the way, I was talking about on the show like two weeks ago, where he was talking about he did a whole lead in about how he hates funny songs, and then he goes out property.

00:30:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so funny, such a.

00:30:09
Speaker 4: Funny He's up there just you know, singing, playing and then he's like, I hate funny songs, and George Strait called and then here, well this song paid me a lot of money, so I'm doing And so I just thought it was so fun growing up in a house where your dad that's I mean, he's celebrated for it. And only does he do it, but he celebrated for it. Did you always know that's what you wanted to do?

00:30:29
Speaker 3: I think yes, but I didn't want to want to do it. Yeah that makes sense.

00:30:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek Walls, I don't know. You probably know Derek guitar player. He amazing guitar player. He and I talked about it a lot because we had a similar upbringing that way, with his mom being a great singer, his dad and step jobbing great guitar players. But I tried so hard to not want to write, and eventually I just, I mean actually moved to California for a year after high school just to get away from where I was from. Really and like yes, and I was working and I met this lady that Kathleen Carrey. She was at Sony TV at the time, and I would I would go play her songs. And finally one day and I had not talked to my dad about it at all, like I don't think i'd played him any thing I'd done at all at that point. And one day I was in their meeting with her and she was looked at me and was like, go home.

00:31:32
Speaker 3: I was like, dang, Kathleen, that's me.

00:31:35
Speaker 1: Like about I was thinking like she didn't like song or something, and She's like, no, I mean, you write country songs and you're.

00:31:40
Speaker 3: Good at it.

00:31:41
Speaker 1: I don't care who your dad is, I don't care which complexes go try and figure it out.

00:31:45
Speaker 3: And so then I tried to do that.

00:31:48
Speaker 4: I guess I didn't think about the complex part of it because that's heavy.

00:31:53
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's still I mean there's still sometimes that I don't know, it's weird. I think I'll think about being like Sean Lennon or someone like that, Jacob Dillon.

00:32:04
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you do with that.

00:32:05
Speaker 1: I really don't, you know, because I'm old enough now where it's not really it's not really that. I'm so proud of my dad, and.

00:32:13
Speaker 2: I don't even think about you dad. When I think about you.

00:32:15
Speaker 3: That's so nice.

00:32:17
Speaker 2: And I don't know that I would have gotten over to him. But you mentioned your dad in the eighties, I was like, oh, yeah, I just watch a TikTok by him. Yes, so that put me there. But I don't think. I don't. I don't. I don't know that I would or whatn't, But I don't. I don't think about you and that being your dad when I think about you. I don't know if that matters to you.

00:32:34
Speaker 1: It matters a lot to me, especially coming from me. You know what I mean, it.

00:32:37
Speaker 2: Does, I don't know it. To me, I know it, but I don't associate those two.

00:32:40
Speaker 1: I think it would matter to him even too, because he I know, he always was like, you've got to stop when I was really young, because I had people be shitty to me for what reason for being like his kid and I really went existing well just that they it was either the attitude of she's probably not going to be good, she's only doing this because and I went out of my way to not have my dad be affiliated with me trying to get a deal, or any guy just kind of tried I was so conscious of him and what other people would think that, so that was hurtful.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: And then I will never forget I had.

00:33:20
Speaker 1: To write with a guy I had idolized most of my life early on in getting a deal, and he was such a dick to me, and I couldn't figure out during the first part of the rite what was going on. And then he started saying things about my dad, and I was saying, Oh, he has weird beef with my dad, so I guess he's going to take it out on me. And it was just such a bummer of like the dometer heroes kind of moment. I'll still have things certain times, not often, but I'll think with some of the older cats, who are like a lot of the people I respect the most, that I'll think, I wonder if this has something to do with my dad versus me.

00:33:59
Speaker 4: I don't know, Well, could be a different generation to generation thing. I don't think about you and then think about your dad, and when the people bring you up.

00:34:06
Speaker 2: I don't think about your dad.

00:34:07
Speaker 4: I wouldn't thought about your dad until you said my dad, But yeah, that's gotta be.

00:34:11
Speaker 3: I talked to him this morning. I think is why he's owned my brain.

00:34:14
Speaker 2: That's gotta be tough. Though.

00:34:15
Speaker 4: Again, I mean I'm a therapy person, yes, and I have my traumas for sure.

00:34:20
Speaker 3: Yes.

00:34:21
Speaker 4: Actually the list is so long, it's like one of those Santa Claus lists, you know, where aig on the spool. But I definitely would Yeah, that would be that would be a thing.

00:34:30
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

00:34:45
Speaker 2: When you say don't meet your heroes, who have you met? Thought? It was awesome? That was almost he wrote to you.

00:34:55
Speaker 3: I don't want to get emotional. I actually.

00:34:59
Speaker 1: He first was time thinking of his Keith Gaddis, who he just passed away on Sunday, like unexpectedly. And he was someone who I met him several years ago. And I mean Keith was so cool, was just rated. Did you ever meet him?

00:35:19
Speaker 2: Just met him and didn't know him? Okay, what was special about him?

00:35:22
Speaker 1: He just was the coolest he had. I don't it sounds like whoo, but energetically, I mean the way he walked, the way he talked. He was such a great songwriter and such a great player. And I was so intimidated when I first we first were meeting, I was like, I want him to like me or whatever. And he was someone who's always so great to me and was a person who early on was like, hey, you're really good at this.

00:35:54
Speaker 3: Get over yourself.

00:35:56
Speaker 2: He gave me confidence, yes.

00:35:57
Speaker 1: And and he I think he he did that for a lot of people, and he is. I mean else Frito Place is a song I think any songwriter in town probably is like, I would give my right arm to have written that song and so many other songs of his.

00:36:15
Speaker 3: But he was someone for me definitely.

00:36:18
Speaker 1: That was a good good meet your hero and became a friend and another friend's husband and yeah.

00:36:27
Speaker 2: Well I appreciate you sharing that. I know that's very sensitive thing because he just passed away.

00:36:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about artists.

00:36:35
Speaker 4: You ever get in a room with somebody you're like, this is awesome and then it was awesome.

00:36:39
Speaker 3: Oh let's see, I'm trying to think who.

00:36:42
Speaker 2: As you think I'll vamp and give you a couple of mine? Oh yeah, you know for me meeting Dolly, And there's no way Dolly can live up to what Dolly always has, but she does. Somehow she does.

00:36:53
Speaker 3: I can't imagine.

00:36:55
Speaker 4: And I've been able to do five six seven things with her to the point where I can just see her.

00:36:59
Speaker 2: She's like Bobby.

00:37:00
Speaker 4: It's just like it's there's no way she can live up to what I think Dolly is supposed to be by all the interviews, TV shows, movie you go down, But somehow right she does it. It's like when there's no way Lebron was supposed to He couldn't have lived up to the hype. Lebron could never live it up to the hype when he was in high school. Plus but he did. Yeah, Dolly's that it's unbelieved. Riba. You meet Riba, you hang out with Riba. I've been lucky enough to do some stuff with Riba, and you go.

00:37:30
Speaker 2: Oh, I get it.

00:37:32
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing that people want and you can't build it, you can't create.

00:37:38
Speaker 2: But she has it. She also works hard and is super talented. But the it, yes, Riba is amazing, amazing.

00:37:47
Speaker 4: So I'll ask you again, who have you got like to write with or put in a room with? And you're like, this is super cool and then they ended up being super cool.

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Gosh, I'm like thinking, my brain is thinking, there's so many cool artists. I'll tell you someone who I mean we're peers and now like friends. But it was I will say it was a trip to me to get to know and she's exactly what like I would have is Miranda. I mean, she's such a g she's such a great songwriter, she's so herself.

00:38:22
Speaker 3: I do. I love her a lot.

00:38:26
Speaker 4: I think that's a good one too, because Miranda and I've been able to not get to know Miranda like I have Reaba or Dolly, but I've spent some time with Miranda, especially with animals, right, yes.

00:38:36
Speaker 2: Like that's something we have in common.

00:38:38
Speaker 4: So that's something that we have done things together with and about and Miranda. You have this image of Miranda being like for real She's being like a for real person. Yes, but sometimes, as you know, that ain't the reality here. Yes, but it's super cool to know that that's how she exists.

00:38:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she's just unabashedly herself, which I always had loved her music so much, and so that was really cool too. Like you're saying to know that, is there anyone you haven't met that you would want to meet?

00:39:12
Speaker 4: It's a good question and this world, no, okay, but there there are Like my hero is David Letterman never got to meet him.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: I haven't got I mean, it's not dead. I've never never got to meet him. So that one's we.

00:39:25
Speaker 3: Got to make that happen. How can we make that happen?

00:39:27
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I have.

00:39:29
Speaker 4: He was the first person that I ever saw on television that was goofy, a bit of reverent odd mm hmm, didn't look like everybody else, And I was like, oh, that that means I can do it. Yes, I mean that literally watching this goofy tall white. But he's so cool, right, And I am not cool.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: But if you are, you're yourself well, which is cool.

00:39:50
Speaker 2: If that's cool, then okay, I'm the coolest there.

00:39:52
Speaker 3: It is, I don't know, so that's to me, what's what cool is.

00:39:55
Speaker 2: But he gave me the confidence to get it to go. Okay, I can. I don't got to look like anybody else. It does.

00:40:01
Speaker 4: But at the same time, I don't know if I want to meet him because I don't want to be let down because he's such a big part of all that I do. So Letterman, I haven't met. I've only met Adam Sandler on Zoom and that's amazing.

00:40:16
Speaker 2: Even that was really cool, right.

00:40:18
Speaker 3: Okay, that's amazing.

00:40:22
Speaker 2: No way.

00:40:24
Speaker 4: So Adam Sandler to me was the comedy music and you know I tour playing comedy music, and I was just like, this is so funny. You can do stupid stuff. Yes, and so I haven't met Sandler. Those are probably the two big ones that I haven't met. You who have you not met that you'd like to meet?

00:40:42
Speaker 2: Even here?

00:40:44
Speaker 1: Well, I can think of my number. John Henley would be my number.

00:40:47
Speaker 2: Which would be big Eagles fan.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: Yes, his writing too. I'm Boys of Summer is one of my favorite songs of all time. And I and now I'm scared to meet him.

00:40:57
Speaker 3: I'll be scared. He was really nice to Brandy.

00:41:00
Speaker 1: But I hear some mixed mixed reviews there about don.

00:41:03
Speaker 2: I think I've heard mixed reviews of all the Eagles though, but I think because they've just had their their seasons.

00:41:08
Speaker 1: Yes, I met Joe Walsh and the tood seasoning. Yes, he kissed me on the cheek and said thanks baby, because I was like, Joe, I'm such.

00:41:14
Speaker 3: A big fan.

00:41:15
Speaker 2: But I read his book and I was like, this dude's got to be cool.

00:41:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was cool. It's exactly what he expected. He was I mean, he was brief, but it was really cool. I didn't wash my face for a week and.

00:41:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, hang tight, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

00:41:42
Speaker 2: The Eagles? Are you a fan? Like listening? Like all of it?

00:41:45
Speaker 3: Pretty much?

00:41:46
Speaker 1: I mean and their solo stuff, you know, and I love them in his writing?

00:41:52
Speaker 2: Do you know Vince at all?

00:41:54
Speaker 3: I've met Vince a few times.

00:41:58
Speaker 2: I mean I asked because he's been goat he played.

00:42:01
Speaker 3: I went to that show here, did you? It was pretty sick.

00:42:04
Speaker 4: It was awesome, and what I liked about it was it was old, so they didn't scream the whole time.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: We just got to enjoy the show.

00:42:10
Speaker 1: Yes, and I loved watching all of the older people.

00:42:14
Speaker 2: Like feel like they did. Yes, that was the best part.

00:42:17
Speaker 3: I saw, like people like making out.

00:42:19
Speaker 1: So I was like, it's in the seventies, man, But it made me have so much joy.

00:42:24
Speaker 4: That's what I want to do in twenty years when Creed's played, he can get up and dry hump my wife and remember this. Yeah, yes, yeah, e Vince. And also the kids, the son of which one that died one of the Eagles was playing too.

00:42:40
Speaker 3: Oh Glenn.

00:42:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, that was It was such an excellent show, so sick and so different than like because I went to watch Morgan walland here nobody scream the whole time. You can't hear anything. Yeah, the whole time.

00:42:52
Speaker 4: I know they had they recorded the whole thing on their phone and they screamed the whole time.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: And it was like, yeah, I'm good.

00:42:56
Speaker 3: It's so good.

00:42:57
Speaker 4: It's so hard for me to enjoy the show because I now that I'm not twenty two. I know, I know, I just want to sit.

00:43:03
Speaker 1: I know.

00:43:04
Speaker 4: It's like ball games too though, so I'm like, you know, I like going. I like watching them on TV now too because I can get all the angles.

00:43:11
Speaker 3: I'm completely with you in games, and I.

00:43:13
Speaker 4: Feel like I because of that, because I've always been like so, I just want to be there.

00:43:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm with you. I don't think I don't think we're it's you know what, I'm going to die on the hill.

00:43:22
Speaker 3: It's better.

00:43:22
Speaker 2: Sorry, it just says now I'm not going to commit to better because I just don't want to get killed on that hill. Keep me out of that can be a hill. I'll put it. Diskuis on and go up there with you hang out.

00:43:32
Speaker 4: What is your process as in I'm always thinking of either show ideas or jokes or or funny song ideas all the time in my phone.

00:43:41
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't ever shut off sometimes when you wanted to.

00:43:44
Speaker 2: Yes, you know when I'm like almost asleep.

00:43:47
Speaker 3: Yes, and then then I then I have.

00:43:49
Speaker 2: To get up and write it in because if I do the stupid thing where I go to sleep, I'm like, I know I had an idea last night. Yeah, I can't remember it.

00:43:56
Speaker 1: Yes, I had the worst feeling. And because you'll swear this was the most this was the one one. Yeah, and then or the ones you do write down, I think it's the one you wake up, you go up from your phone, like, get to it.

00:44:08
Speaker 3: This is trash, you know what I mean.

00:44:09
Speaker 2: I've done too where I've woken up. I guess I was kind of dreaming about it and I was like, this would be so Funy'll joking out record a voice memo. And so I listened back to it and I'm like, this isn't this is never funny. That was ever funny.

00:44:21
Speaker 3: Yes, I love in rights.

00:44:22
Speaker 1: When anybody, any of us, will hold turn it down, hold it up to their own ear and it's.

00:44:28
Speaker 3: Like play it for the class, let's hear how about all the melody?

00:44:30
Speaker 2: Hear it? Yeah, it's just so they can know if they want to actually share it.

00:44:34
Speaker 3: Even with your.

00:44:35
Speaker 1: Utmost homies, I feel like everyone's still like, like.

00:44:39
Speaker 3: I don't know.

00:44:40
Speaker 2: You know, you have the notes, do what do you put it? And you put in a notes app? Do you put it in notes app? Yeah? Me too.

00:44:46
Speaker 3: I know. I'm like what's in here?

00:44:47
Speaker 2: And so?

00:44:48
Speaker 4: And mine's also you may be way more organized than I am, probably, but I've got like for tiktoks I want to do.

00:44:54
Speaker 3: Oh, you're more organized than me.

00:44:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty organized. I have to be. Yeah, I've got song ideas.

00:45:00
Speaker 3: Let's go.

00:45:01
Speaker 2: I've got no not for you. These are stupid songs. You can't have them.

00:45:03
Speaker 4: And if you saw it and you still want, I will sue you. I have songs that I've written just so I can be sure to play. So I've got them all.

00:45:12
Speaker 1: You're really you are really organized. Mine is in the middle of like stuff a grocery list and.

00:45:19
Speaker 2: Then it's just all one here.

00:45:21
Speaker 1: Or it's stuff that's done I haven't put in the other Oh, I see those people and they freak me out the most, like unter Felps.

00:45:27
Speaker 3: Other day I think it was Hunter.

00:45:29
Speaker 1: Sorry, oh no, it'll be like this is a song that's done. But like his was an idea list where it was all in the same document, like all these song titles all just down the page, and I was like, bro, you aren't even doing them like separate.

00:45:44
Speaker 2: Oh you may, it's in one. He's got to scroll to find it, search for it one.

00:45:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then I kind of wanted to take it from him and just scroll through it and be like, what should we do.

00:45:53
Speaker 2: And what had he forgotten that he wrote that was so good because it's lost in the new eyes could probably go, yeah, it's great. Yeah.

00:46:00
Speaker 4: Are you a red dot person on your phone? Do you keep text and emails or do you wipe them off immediately?

00:46:05
Speaker 3: What is red I don't even know what that is.

00:46:06
Speaker 4: So your emails on the state light right here? Yeah, since we've been talking, I've got three emails.

00:46:12
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I can't keep that doing every one.

00:46:15
Speaker 2: No, I wipe them off me too. It means we're done here. I will go through every text, yes, every email, say I'm here.

00:46:20
Speaker 4: Reply and if I can't reply, I know it's important, I'll save it is unread.

00:46:24
Speaker 1: Okay, you can do that now, which I would be helpful for me and.

00:46:27
Speaker 3: I need to start doing.

00:46:28
Speaker 2: But then it drives me crazy until I get back to it.

00:46:30
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like, okay, I'm similar to you.

00:46:32
Speaker 1: I got the red dot people that when it's like one thousands that freaks me out.

00:46:38
Speaker 3: I don't like, and then I feel like texting.

00:46:41
Speaker 1: Sometimes if like someone posts a screenshot or something, I'm like, is this a flex that You're like, I.

00:46:46
Speaker 3: Have three hundred un read messages? You know what I mean? I feel like maybe it is. Yeah, I definitely do.

00:46:52
Speaker 4: I rarely put my phone away, but when I do for extended amount of time, I'll be like, I can't wait to get back to my phone because I got so many text messages.

00:46:57
Speaker 2: I'm so cool. And then it's like none.

00:46:59
Speaker 3: The worst feeling.

00:47:01
Speaker 4: Nobody has text me like, I don't need to be reminded, So that's why I keep my phone on.

00:47:04
Speaker 2: Mostly I'll think it's not addicted to my phone. No, I just don't like when I put my phone away, but I'm.

00:47:08
Speaker 4: Reminded of how big of a loser I am because nobody text me it's the worst.

00:47:12
Speaker 2: Do you think you could write a song? Let's say my life depended on it.

00:47:15
Speaker 4: And I called you and I said hey, I said, look, I'm already stressed. This guy's got a gun in my head, and I need you right now. I need you to write a song, a hit song for me in an hour. You have one hour to do it. Can you write a song? And it's got to go? You know, it's got to be at least a top ten song on the country chart. And if you don't, I'm gonna get shot in the head. Do you think you could do it in an hour?

00:47:37
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would FaceTime Chase and be Bobby's going to get shot. We have to do this.

00:47:41
Speaker 2: And what would you What are the elements that you would put in a song that you know are are? Yes?

00:47:48
Speaker 4: Are so hard in the line? Like is it claps? Whistles? Is it whiskey?

00:47:52
Speaker 2: Like? What are the things it's like? Easily?

00:47:56
Speaker 4: I don't want to use the word generic, but I'm universal, Yes, But with melody lyrics.

00:48:02
Speaker 2: You could make a hit. What are those keys?

00:48:04
Speaker 1: Well? I definitely think it would be tempo. If I was trying to get more guaranteed thematically, I feel like we've gotten out of broke country and have moved into like redneck country. So I would definitely like go into that if it had to be.

00:48:22
Speaker 2: Or if you're not done, I get shot too, Okay.

00:48:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but you know what I say all that, and I would look through my phone and if hopefully I would have a great idea that had heart. I still feel like songs. No, I mean, even if it was tempo is maybe I till you can't vibe or something? Though, Yeah, I think I could do it.

00:48:48
Speaker 2: Do you did you write today?

00:48:51
Speaker 3: I did not.

00:48:53
Speaker 1: I just got back from that writing camp, and I feel like there was one day we were I think fire six songs. Yeah, I blame Ashley the Machine, Yes, And I had told Alex I was like, dude, I need a couple of days because I had done in camp another retreat right before the one I just did, and it was like we stayed up really late and got a lot of songs too. So I've I've felt a little fried. I'm still trying to figure out. That's my biggest mountain I think is we would be curious to ask you this actually taking figuring out how because I kind of feel like I'm in a workaholics season, but I feel myself starting to need to take some time off. I haven't ever been able to figure out yet what's my perfect you know, equation for how many days a week I need to write?

00:49:47
Speaker 4: Or there's no such thing you think chasing it? Yeah, there's And I say, this is someone who's not good at it, But there's no such thing as that.

00:49:57
Speaker 2: Not for you, no, not for me. No, But are you?

00:50:01
Speaker 4: Why do you think you want more balance or do you just want to want more balance?

00:50:06
Speaker 1: I think I want to want more balance, yeah, because I definitely am the person.

00:50:12
Speaker 3: I have other friends that are really good about it.

00:50:15
Speaker 1: If they get a call at the eleventh I're like, hey, do you want to come do this, They'll be like, no, I have to do X, Y Z.

00:50:21
Speaker 3: And I'm always the person's like, yes, I will.

00:50:23
Speaker 1: I will at least in the season I've been in lately for sure that it wants to go right.

00:50:29
Speaker 2: Why do you think you want balance?

00:50:32
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, but then maybe I don't. I think I'm curious at the whole concept because I do feel like songs are kind of just my life. I don't know, I love I never get really sick of working on songs.

00:50:47
Speaker 4: I feel the same way about work where but also think I used work as a way to get away from a traumatic past and it gave me a bridge. I think I did that positive life. Yes, not in the same place. So like I understand my relationship with work and why it is so.

00:51:07
Speaker 2: But then I met my wife and.

00:51:10
Speaker 4: To her and she's got a master's degree and she's got you know, she was she.

00:51:16
Speaker 2: Is so smart and killed.

00:51:16
Speaker 4: But balance is so important to her because she has a very healthy family life.

00:51:20
Speaker 2: Like with her family, she had it growing up, it was instilled, and I did not. I don't even have a family.

00:51:26
Speaker 4: And so it's like two fists that punch each other, not literally, but me trying to figure out what the heck is his balance and her going how do you not want to have some sort of balance?

00:51:37
Speaker 2: So it has been hard. It's been very hard for me.

00:51:40
Speaker 3: I know. I listening to you, I'm like, okay, this makes a lot of sense to me now.

00:51:44
Speaker 2: That it's been very hard.

00:51:45
Speaker 4: But I listen, I could wake up at four open the computer and then not go to bed until one am and just then fold down the computer because but I also love what I do.

00:51:57
Speaker 3: Right, What time do you wake up every day?

00:52:00
Speaker 2: This morning? Probably three fifteen. It varies a little bit depending on But what's hardest is when I'm doing shows on weekends and I go back, Yeah, I'll go to sleep at mid nine er one, and then I got to flip back.

00:52:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're having a normal day, what time do you go to sleep?

00:52:13
Speaker 2: Do you have normal days?

00:52:14
Speaker 1: No?

00:52:14
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a hard question for answered. There is Yeah, there's no normal No. I would say if I get.

00:52:19
Speaker 2: To bed bye, which is the beauty of it. Yes, absolutely not complaining.

00:52:22
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I get to bed by ten, wake up about three or so, that's not healthy.

00:52:26
Speaker 2: Have this or ring that's what Brett has. Well, that's why I know about it.

00:52:29
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he told me about that. I was like, I'm not getting that. I'll get anxiety from the ring. Like from that ring.

00:52:35
Speaker 2: I just watch it for sleep. It is a great indicator of sleep.

00:52:40
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:52:40
Speaker 4: And so and I don't like jewelry, but yeah, Breadhead of Forever and I was like my school and he's like our cave.

00:52:46
Speaker 1: Okay, and it's awesome. So you only look at the sleep, yeah pretty much? Okay, Okay, that makes me I would be curious how I'm sleeping, because I don't.

00:52:54
Speaker 3: Think I sleep well.

00:52:55
Speaker 2: You don't know, why don't you?

00:52:57
Speaker 3: I think I don't know. Mine's always running.

00:53:00
Speaker 1: I feel like I shouldn't have my phone and I will like messing with ideas or whatever.

00:53:06
Speaker 3: I think. Yeah, I feel like no one in my family.

00:53:10
Speaker 1: Sleeps either, so I've started wondering if it's genetic. My brother's reading some book about sleep. I think Brett has read it too, actually, and he was telling me that the day.

00:53:18
Speaker 3: Well, this guy's in here talking.

00:53:19
Speaker 1: About if you're a night owl, that's just who you are, Like, you can't it's really difficult to change.

00:53:24
Speaker 3: I thought it was kind of fascinating.

00:53:25
Speaker 2: Probably my body clock.

00:53:27
Speaker 4: If I didn't have this morning show, I would go to sleep about four thirty AM normally, and I would wake up about twelve thirty or one pm.

00:53:34
Speaker 3: That would be me.

00:53:35
Speaker 2: That's me. Yeah, in my perfect world, it's just a lot of stuff gets done before one pm that I got to be a part of. Same, especially you. Yeah, so that's what I would do.

00:53:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, you feel like you're Do you feel like you're successful now or do you feel like you're on your way to being successful or do you think you'll ever feel successful.

00:53:54
Speaker 3: Knowing me?

00:53:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever will. I would like to. I feel like I'm feel proud. I guess good for you of certain songs.

00:54:05
Speaker 4: What song you're proud of? What comes my first first song, break up in Me good? I was gonna ask you about that.

00:54:10
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm very proud of that song and I love having it everything about I love that it's with Cole, who's an old friend, and Chase and John. It's like kind of one of those things everything Dana Shay actually one of that songs, which is funny because Dan, when we first became friends, we're talking about that.

00:54:30
Speaker 2: But it's definitely that song nominated for Grammy. I mean, did you go yes? Pretty cool? It was?

00:54:37
Speaker 3: Yes?

00:54:37
Speaker 2: That is?

00:54:38
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:54:39
Speaker 1: That that never. I mean, I would like to win sometime, but we'll see.

00:54:42
Speaker 4: When you're there at a place like that. Do you have imposter syndrome or do you feel like you belong?

00:54:46
Speaker 1: Yes?

00:54:46
Speaker 5: You do.

00:54:47
Speaker 3: I feel like I we have a I have it really bad?

00:54:50
Speaker 2: But is it? But what's crazy? And I'll end with this and I believe you. That's the thing. I believe you.

00:54:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I see a lot of parallels and just how we just consume out word in. But when you say that and I read when we started this, twenty one cuts since January first, in thirty two in the last twelve months, that's just data you can't argue with, right, That's I mean, that's how.

00:55:20
Speaker 3: Can I still argue with it? I guess you do.

00:55:23
Speaker 4: So you'll never be satisfied until you learn how to just live satisfied regardless.

00:55:29
Speaker 2: Some My therapist tells.

00:55:29
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, I don't know there, how do you?

00:55:31
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, I've listened to one of your one of yours with Emily Wise Man. I remember when you guys talked about it imposter sentamon. It was the first time I'd ever heard the term. And so it's kind of crazy you brought that up because I was saying, I need to ask him about that.

00:55:44
Speaker 3: I love it how he's feeling. You're so still okay.

00:55:47
Speaker 4: And so my therapist constantly tells me, until you're you don't feel imposter syndrome doing. I mean, you could fail everything else and you still should not feel it. So you're always going to feel it until you don't feel it at all.

00:56:02
Speaker 2: Ever.

00:56:03
Speaker 3: Wow, And it's.

00:56:03
Speaker 2: Like, oh, well, I'll just always feel it then, but I know that's how I feel, so I'm just committed.

00:56:08
Speaker 1: There are certain people I wonder if they ever feel it. I would like to ask Ashley that I should have asked him that this weekend because I asked him a lot of questions.

00:56:15
Speaker 2: But I would think so it's maybe not anymore. But again, I don't know.

00:56:19
Speaker 4: They're something more successful confident people I've met that really they question themselves constantly, wow, and they question if they're worth it, and they question. But it makes me feel good people admit to that because I don't feel so alone.

00:56:32
Speaker 3: Same like to hear you say it makes me feel better.

00:56:35
Speaker 2: I'm really happy for you.

00:56:36
Speaker 4: I mean, you're just you're you're annihilating the place, regardless of how you feel about it. It's just so cool to see if you've had massive success on different levels. You have success that's bubbling now with the od stuff, the the Brandy stuff I'm sure is going to be awesome, but even you know, the Megan Maroney and the Jelly Roll stuff, it's like, you're still.

00:56:55
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that. And Katie Auferman, who's new. I love Katie, Okay her, you have to play it. I think it's coming out in May. I just killed a man our song. I'm really proud of that song.

00:57:08
Speaker 2: Is that confession? I really like fession about you.

00:57:10
Speaker 3: Would you kill?

00:57:11
Speaker 2: Who?

00:57:11
Speaker 3: Do I get right?

00:57:13
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of people guys I can think of actually where I like out myself get arrested. But you got to play that song because she's the best deal.

00:57:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, we play a lot of Katie. Yeah, yeah, okay, Look what do your friends call you?

00:57:29
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh gosh, Jesse, jj jj D, Jesse, Joe, j joe. I have a lot of nicknames, too many.

00:57:38
Speaker 2: You gave me too many options there.

00:57:39
Speaker 3: I know, what do you want to call me? Jj J?

00:57:41
Speaker 2: I probably would have thought your friends would call you JJ.

00:57:43
Speaker 3: I get that and jj D.

00:57:45
Speaker 1: I get a lot I think, and I think, I can't remember who really started that, but I do get called that one most probably.

00:57:53
Speaker 2: Well jj D. I feel like it's one too many syllables. I really enjoyed this hour.

00:57:59
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.

00:57:59
Speaker 4: Is so if you were nervous, you didn't act like it. You didn't come off as nervous. Thanks for your generosity and your stories and being vulnerable This is really cool.

00:58:09
Speaker 2: I love so just keep killing it. There she has you, guys, follow her. Jesse Joe Dillon at Jesse Joe Dillon is all you have, your name universally. Yes, good for you. I know I did it somehow.

00:58:19
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Okay, that's it and until in another thirty two cuts we'll do this again.

00:58:25
Speaker 3: Yes, let's do it all right, all right bye

00:58:28
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production