Ep:154 Charged In Bigfoot Holler

<v Speaker 1>They come charging out and they're running at me full board.
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, I knew of a sasquatch, but
<v Speaker 1>in my mind that was a eight foot tall creature
<v Speaker 1>and there was only one of them, because that was
<v Speaker 1>the tales I was hearing in my fourteen thirteen, fourteen
<v Speaker 1>year old head. All I knew was this was not
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be here and it needed to die. And
<v Speaker 1>I had a thirty six and I yanked it up
<v Speaker 1>and I don't even think I aimed, but I hit
<v Speaker 1>one maybe two shots that parts a little fuzzy, and
<v Speaker 1>then there was the aweless noise behind them, and I
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking in my head, they've got me surrounded.
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to welcome Jean to Bigfoot Crossroads. Jane is
<v Speaker 2>the founder of the Kentucky Center for Bigfoot Research. How
<v Speaker 2>long have you had that organization going?
<v Speaker 1>I started the organization officially in two thousand and two.
<v Speaker 1>I had tried to find some scientific minded people to
<v Speaker 1>join it back in the late nineties, probably ninety six
<v Speaker 1>ninety seven, but everybody I was running into was was
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more gung ho. They just wanted to
<v Speaker 1>run through the woods looking for something. Every sound they
<v Speaker 1>heard was a bigfoot, you know, or it should have
<v Speaker 1>been a big foot anyway, and they just weren't. Weren't
<v Speaker 1>the guys I was looking for. There were one or
<v Speaker 1>two that was was was pretty good. Uh, and they
<v Speaker 1>actually both went on to start other Bigfoot organizations. Because
<v Speaker 1>I was dragging my feet. I didn't want just a
<v Speaker 1>couple of guys out trying to do this because I'm
<v Speaker 1>an anthropologist. I'm a practicing archaeologist, so and I had
<v Speaker 1>got this degree based on my own bigfoot so seeing it,
<v Speaker 1>seeing it really changed my life.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I was looking for guys that were more
<v Speaker 1>like minded, and toward the end of my academic career,
<v Speaker 1>I actually found people that secretly would tell me that
<v Speaker 1>they were very much into it because one of the
<v Speaker 1>things that several of our professors had told us. Because
<v Speaker 1>I never made no bones about telling my story, I
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of people approached me about being in
<v Speaker 1>books telling my story while I was in school, and
<v Speaker 1>they were like, don't do that. If you want a career,
<v Speaker 1>leave this alone. So secretly I had other anthropologist, biologist
<v Speaker 1>guys that were majoring in forest activities, whatever that may be,
<v Speaker 1>that were interested in being part of it. And that's
<v Speaker 1>when we actually officially kind of formed the group and
<v Speaker 1>actually started doing some field research.
<v Speaker 2>So let's rewind for a bit. You mentioned that, you know,
<v Speaker 2>your own experience kind of led you down this path
<v Speaker 2>and everything. Let's hear about that. How did this whole
<v Speaker 2>thing get started for you?
<v Speaker 1>Well, my father was a long haul truck driver, and
<v Speaker 1>my first introduction to bigfoot was he come home from
<v Speaker 1>a run one morning and was telling us about a
<v Speaker 1>guy that was following him across Jellico Mountain, which is
<v Speaker 1>the mountain that separates Kentucky and Tennessee on I seventy five.
<v Speaker 3>And they were headed north, I believe, And anyway, this
<v Speaker 3>guy got on the radio and said that a bigfoot
<v Speaker 3>run behind Dad's truck and was telling the people on
<v Speaker 3>the southbound side to watch that thing that was come
<v Speaker 3>fixing across the road over there not to hit it.
<v Speaker 1>And they got to riding him so bad that he
<v Speaker 1>eventually just turned off his radio and him and my
<v Speaker 1>dad went on down the road and this guy passed
<v Speaker 1>my dad going down the either side of the hill
<v Speaker 1>and got off the interstate truck stop. Well, my dad
<v Speaker 1>followed him in to talk to him. He said he
<v Speaker 1>got out and he was talking to the guy said
<v Speaker 1>he was white as a ghost and kind of shaky
<v Speaker 1>in his hands and stuff. And Dad asked him, he said,
<v Speaker 1>are you sure it wasn't a bear? And he said,
<v Speaker 1>damn it. Man. I grew up in Asheville, North Carolina.
<v Speaker 1>I know what a bear looks like. And a bear
<v Speaker 1>doesn't cross the road in two steps or a three steps,
<v Speaker 1>and so anyway, that was my first introduction into bigfoot.
<v Speaker 1>And then Dad told me how natives called it sasquatch,
<v Speaker 1>and so forth and so forth. So fast forward until
<v Speaker 1>I'm about thirteen, maybe fourteen years old. I can't truly
<v Speaker 1>remember the date. It would have been eighty four or
<v Speaker 1>eighty five. We were deer hunting in West Kentucky, Meehlenberg County,
<v Speaker 1>a place called Peabody Coal Company. Now, at that time
<v Speaker 1>Peabody was about sixty two thousand acres of reclaimed mind land,
<v Speaker 1>and what it mostly was was great, big long fields
<v Speaker 1>where they had stripped mind the land, and then surrounding
<v Speaker 1>it was little what we called spull banks where they
<v Speaker 1>had dumped the tailings or the scrapings out. It was
<v Speaker 1>just hump after hump, and some of them were thirty
<v Speaker 1>feet tall, so it was just like little hill after
<v Speaker 1>little hill when you just walking through them. But regardless,
<v Speaker 1>I was standing in this field and it was about
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe four four thirty, maybe three thirty.
<v Speaker 1>The sun was going down, we were hunting. I was looking,
<v Speaker 1>I believe, to the east. My father had went down
<v Speaker 1>a haller that was to the west. Now, this was
<v Speaker 1>an old growth hauler that had never never been mined,
<v Speaker 1>big large trees in it. You could see forever down it.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm standing in the field hunting and I hear
<v Speaker 1>my dad shoot. And I've hunted with my dad my
<v Speaker 1>entire life, so I know what his gun sounds like.
<v Speaker 1>I know it was him. But the thing about it
<v Speaker 1>was he shot three times, and it wasn't the quick
<v Speaker 1>rapid fire succession of I'm in trouble, you know, where
<v Speaker 1>you just fire off three very rapid shots. These were
<v Speaker 1>deliberate and aimed shots. And what I found funny about
<v Speaker 1>that was my dad was always the kind that when
<v Speaker 1>he saw a deer and pulled the trigger, it was
<v Speaker 1>over with. The deer was down. But he shot three times,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, well, maybe they were running or something,
<v Speaker 1>So I eased over to the edge of that field
<v Speaker 1>where I could look down the haller. Now I had
<v Speaker 1>no idea how far down in the holler my dad went.
<v Speaker 1>It went for several miles down through there. And anyway,
<v Speaker 1>I'm standing there looking to see there's going to be
<v Speaker 1>any deer come running my direction, so hopefully I can
<v Speaker 1>get a shot and maybe get a deer too, because
<v Speaker 1>I'm under the assumption my dad has either totally missed
<v Speaker 1>or got a deer one or the other. And I'm
<v Speaker 1>standing there and there's nothing moving down in the woods
<v Speaker 1>that I see. And then I start to hear voices talking,
<v Speaker 1>and I can't hear what they're saying. It's right on
<v Speaker 1>the edge of my hearing, but it's definitely two people
<v Speaker 1>having a conversation. And so I'm like, Okay, there's somebody
<v Speaker 1>else down there. Dad's talking to them. I better go
<v Speaker 1>down and help. So I start walking down the haller
<v Speaker 1>head and toward the bottom. Now, like I said, it
<v Speaker 1>was a big open holly you could see forever except
<v Speaker 1>at the very bottom, where there was a I guess
<v Speaker 1>it would be a wet stream creak that whenever it
<v Speaker 1>was rainy seas in the creek room through there, and
<v Speaker 1>so it was real thick at that point at the
<v Speaker 1>very bottom of the haller, and this holler was was
<v Speaker 1>fairly steep, not so steep that it was a trouble
<v Speaker 1>to walk, but it was. It went straight down to
<v Speaker 1>a point, right straight back up the other side. And
<v Speaker 1>I get down in the hall or probably a thousand
<v Speaker 1>yards or so, because I'm not going straight to the bottom.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of working my way down the edge
<v Speaker 1>of the holler, descending as I go, and I'm not
<v Speaker 1>hearing anything running through the woods or nothing like that.
<v Speaker 1>But all at once two animals bust out of the brush,
<v Speaker 1>running right straight at me, and they're probably when I
<v Speaker 1>first see them, they're less than one hundred yards away,
<v Speaker 1>but they're on all fours, And at first I thought
<v Speaker 1>there was a canine of some sort, and then I
<v Speaker 1>noticed as they got closer, they were actually what I
<v Speaker 1>know now as being knuckle walking at like a great
<v Speaker 1>aput do Their back legs appeared to be shorter, their
<v Speaker 1>butt was lower than their shoulders, and it went down
<v Speaker 1>in the like what would be the thigh bone kind
<v Speaker 1>of went back up, and then the knee come back down,
<v Speaker 1>and they had three and a half inch long brownish
<v Speaker 1>red hair on them. They had no snout, no ears
<v Speaker 1>that I could distinguish or anything. But that was what
<v Speaker 1>I was hearing talking because right after they busted out
<v Speaker 1>of the brush and I guess seeing me, they started
<v Speaker 1>jabbering back and forth to each other. It wasn't words.
<v Speaker 1>One of the Sahara sounds does sound a little bit
<v Speaker 1>more like it. I was asked that question before. Was
<v Speaker 1>it like on the Sierra sounds? But it was more
<v Speaker 1>of a ape type gibberish back and forth. But anyway,
<v Speaker 1>they come charging out and they're running at me full board,
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, I knew of a sasquatch, but
<v Speaker 1>in my mind that was a eight foot tall creature
<v Speaker 1>and there was only one of them, because that was
<v Speaker 1>the tales I was hearing, you know, in my fourteen thirteen,
<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old head. All I knew was this was
<v Speaker 1>not supposed to be here and it needed to die.
<v Speaker 1>And I had a thirty six and I yanked it
<v Speaker 1>up and I don't even think I aimed, but one
<v Speaker 1>maybe two shots that parts a little fuzzy, and then
<v Speaker 1>there was the awfless noise behind me, and I remember
<v Speaker 1>thinking in my head, they got me surrounded. So I
<v Speaker 1>spun around to see what the noise was, and it
<v Speaker 1>was a squirrel going up the hickory tree making all
<v Speaker 1>kinds of racket. So I almost had a heart attack
<v Speaker 1>over that, you know. So anyway, I spun back around
<v Speaker 1>to defend myself from the danger that I knew was
<v Speaker 1>on its way. And in the length of time it
<v Speaker 1>took me just to spin around and identify the squirrel
<v Speaker 1>and the reason the squirrel was so loud. It was
<v Speaker 1>only like five foot away from me on a tree trunk,
<v Speaker 1>And in the length of time it took me to
<v Speaker 1>do that and spin back around, these two creatures had
<v Speaker 1>crossed back through the little Thicket Creek area and was
<v Speaker 1>halfway up the other side out of the haller Wow.
<v Speaker 1>And I shot one or two more times. I'm pretty
<v Speaker 1>sure I thought shot three times. I just can't remember
<v Speaker 1>if I shot two before the squirrel or two after
<v Speaker 1>the squirrel, because it was kind of a blurb. It
<v Speaker 1>all happened, you know, very rapidly, because these these things
<v Speaker 1>were moving, but I never I didn't see see them
<v Speaker 1>long enough to see a whole lot of detail. I've
<v Speaker 1>replayed it in my head a million times. I tried
<v Speaker 1>to make sure not fabricate something in my own mind
<v Speaker 1>as to what I saw. But like I said, three
<v Speaker 1>and a half inches long reddish hair. They were knuckle walking.
<v Speaker 1>They were jabbering back and forth to each other, or
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming to each other. They could have been yelling
<v Speaker 1>for Mom or Dad that I didn't see, and that
<v Speaker 1>part or still bothers me sometimes, you know, maybe there
<v Speaker 1>was a large one that I did not see. And
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, come to come to find out when I
<v Speaker 1>finally did find my father, because right after this happened,
<v Speaker 1>he can drag his own deer out. I was. I
<v Speaker 1>was out of there. Yeah, I went. I went back
<v Speaker 1>to the field where I could see, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>uh so, But anyway, when I did finally see him
<v Speaker 1>back at camp after dark that evening, he had saw
<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing, and that's what he was shooting
<v Speaker 1>at as well. He was probably one hundred and fifty
<v Speaker 1>yards from him, but he didn't know what they were neither.
<v Speaker 1>There's plenty of coyotes down there. We've encountered coyotes, but
<v Speaker 1>this these were monsters. Compared to a coyote, I would
<v Speaker 1>estimate them being one hundred and sixty to one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and eighty pounds. I've never seen a coyote that big,
<v Speaker 1>you know, And they just weren't canines. If they were canines,
<v Speaker 1>and they both had brokend quarters and were walking very funny. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>But we kind of operated under the delusion that it
<v Speaker 1>was some sort of weird wolf that we saw, even
<v Speaker 1>though I think I always had in the back of
<v Speaker 1>my mind what they were, and I think, if truth
<v Speaker 1>be known, my dad did too. I know the other
<v Speaker 1>guys that we hunt with, they suggested that that it
<v Speaker 1>could have been a primate of some sort. I don't
<v Speaker 1>think any of them used the word bigfoot, but I
<v Speaker 1>think that was discussed a little bit. But that's what
<v Speaker 1>he shot at as well, and he got a longer
<v Speaker 1>look at him than I did, but not really a
<v Speaker 1>better look. He agreed that they did not have snouts
<v Speaker 1>like a canine. He saw noah ears. They were not
<v Speaker 1>running when he saw them, They were just walking through
<v Speaker 1>the woods. And my dad's reasoning behind it was he
<v Speaker 1>thought that it was some strange, evasive species of animal,
<v Speaker 1>and the only way we had ever convinced the Kentucky
<v Speaker 1>Department of Fish and Wildlife we saw it was to
<v Speaker 1>kill one and then if that way he killed one,
<v Speaker 1>then there wouldn't be a breeding pair of them. So
<v Speaker 1>but anyway, that's that's my big adolescent juvenile sasquatch sighting.
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, it later drove me on to getting
<v Speaker 1>a degree in anthropology just so I could study primates
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Of course, there's no real primate jobs
<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky's who had to do archaeology, you know, and
<v Speaker 1>even honestly that's not even that great. Still have to
<v Speaker 1>have secondary gigs sometimes, But I'm a musician and do
<v Speaker 1>several other things too, so it all comes out in
<v Speaker 1>the end. But that's what led me to the start
<v Speaker 1>in the center. And we've done a lot of research
<v Speaker 1>since then, a lot of field stuff, a lot of
<v Speaker 1>academic papers that we've wrote for our own resources, not
<v Speaker 1>try to have published or anything like that. Right, what's
<v Speaker 1>weird is when I would go out with my scientifically
<v Speaker 1>minded colleagues, it was very rare that we ever had
<v Speaker 1>anything at all. Happened. Occasionally we would care what maybe
<v Speaker 1>sounded like a wood knock or some strange howl that
<v Speaker 1>we couldn't identify off in the distance. But it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>until my own son and a couple of about three
<v Speaker 1>of his or two of his buddies wanted to go
<v Speaker 1>squatching one night, and I took them that we really
<v Speaker 1>had any activity on research outs. And I always thought
<v Speaker 1>that was funny that it took up a group of
<v Speaker 1>adolescent boys to make something happen in the woods.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>We can get into that in a minute after I
<v Speaker 1>answer any questions you may have about the deciding. I
<v Speaker 1>don't want to get too far ahead.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just a couple of things I wanted to clarify.
<v Speaker 2>Whenever your dad saw them, were they on all fours
<v Speaker 2>or upright?
<v Speaker 1>No, they were on all fours then as well.
<v Speaker 2>It's also kind of interesting that whenever he saw them
<v Speaker 2>it was the two together, and then whenever you saw
<v Speaker 2>him it was the two together. It's so rare to
<v Speaker 2>hear about anybody seeing these things where there's more than one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I've very few stories where there's been more
<v Speaker 1>than one. But this, you know, like I said, this
<v Speaker 1>was a long running holler. I really don't know how
<v Speaker 1>far down the haller my dad was. He could have
<v Speaker 1>just been a couple of hundred yards from where I
<v Speaker 1>encountered the math. It might have not been that they
<v Speaker 1>were traveling a great distance. But I'm satisfied that they
<v Speaker 1>were juvenile sasquatches. And I mean, I've heard some I
<v Speaker 1>won't call them crazy theories, but let's just say some
<v Speaker 1>outlandish things where people have hypothesized that there's areas where
<v Speaker 1>sasquatches drop off their children while they go forage or
<v Speaker 1>hunt or whatever they need to do. This could have
<v Speaker 1>been one of those spots. We started hunting there when
<v Speaker 1>I was eleven, maybe ten, and we pretty much camped
<v Speaker 1>in the same spot for twenty years down there before
<v Speaker 1>we ever migrated to a different location on the on
<v Speaker 1>the coal company land. Uh, there was always kind of
<v Speaker 1>weird things that happened always. You could hear coyote packs
<v Speaker 1>just about every night, but every now and then there
<v Speaker 1>would be a deeper, bigger howl that you could hear
<v Speaker 1>that would happen countless times. Be sitting in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>and all at once you'd hear what sounded like with
<v Speaker 1>somebody banging two rocks together, or somebody beating on a
<v Speaker 1>tree with a baseball bat, which back in those days,
<v Speaker 1>nobody knew anything about that type of stuff, you know, right,
<v Speaker 1>and now now we know it was rock clacking in
<v Speaker 1>tree knocks. You know, all the all the mysterious sounds
<v Speaker 1>we heard back in the eighties and the nineties are
<v Speaker 1>now they now have answers to it, you know, if
<v Speaker 1>you're a believer in the in the subject. And I
<v Speaker 1>kind of hate to use the word believer, but I
<v Speaker 1>know most people do.
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's something you know, just recently over just the
<v Speaker 2>past week. I mean, it's something that comes up constantly, obviously,
<v Speaker 2>but that's one that's so difficult for me to just
<v Speaker 2>navigate around and hold my tongue on things, you know,
<v Speaker 2>tiptoeing around you know, well, it's just theory, it's just belief,
<v Speaker 2>it's just opinion, it's just conjecture, and well all that's true. Like, man,
<v Speaker 2>how are we supposed to ever move forward and find
<v Speaker 2>any answers if we're afraid to go after them? And
<v Speaker 2>at some point you just kind of have to be like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>well I believe this is true, and so if that's true,
<v Speaker 2>then this and that's how you advance.
<v Speaker 1>The way I look at it, belief is for religion,
<v Speaker 1>I no Bigfoot exists, not only because of my own
<v Speaker 1>eyewitness account, but based on the evidence that we have
<v Speaker 1>found while conducting field research. And other people have found.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people whose research I give as
<v Speaker 1>much credit to as I was the one that was
<v Speaker 1>standing there when it happened to There's other people out
<v Speaker 1>there in the field that they come on the show
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and I just mute it because they're going
<v Speaker 1>to say something that I just can't get on board with.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, a couple of times I've been into
<v Speaker 1>discussions with people and they want me to get all
<v Speaker 1>WU on them, and I have nothing against WU. I
<v Speaker 1>don't discount people's you know, accounts what happened to them,
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to say that, hey, I saw
<v Speaker 1>a light one time in the woods and then ten
<v Speaker 1>years later I saw bigfoot, they must be connected. I
<v Speaker 1>refused to make that leap. I did have one weird
<v Speaker 1>thing happened to me while I was down there hunting.
<v Speaker 1>I had a I was standing in a big field
<v Speaker 1>and this large deer buck deer right now, and I
<v Speaker 1>had one plans on shooting the deer. It busted out
<v Speaker 1>of the woods and it was only about maybe one
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty yards and it busted out of the
<v Speaker 1>woods and it come running right toward me, and I
<v Speaker 1>could tell it had its tongue hanging out of its mouth.
<v Speaker 1>It was you know how horses look frothy and sweaty.
<v Speaker 1>This deer looked like that. And I could hear something
<v Speaker 1>else coming through the wood behind it, and I was like, well,
<v Speaker 1>this is a pretty good deer. What would be making
<v Speaker 1>this deer run like that? And I thought, well, it's
<v Speaker 1>got to be a bigger buck. So I'm waiting on it.
<v Speaker 1>And so that deer just keeps coming, and it's about
<v Speaker 1>thirty forty yards or something like that in front of me,
<v Speaker 1>and then I think I can hear whatever's coming up
<v Speaker 1>behind it breathing, because I'm hearing this heavy breathing just
<v Speaker 1>all at once. The deer that I'm looking at in
<v Speaker 1>front of me is now behind me, and I never
<v Speaker 1>saw it run by me, and it's running down like
<v Speaker 1>a two wheel track road on the side of this great,
<v Speaker 1>big field, so it's not like it went anywhere. And
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like, I hate to put it this way,
<v Speaker 1>but almost like my brain saw something in that three
<v Speaker 1>seconds it took that deer to travel background that it
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want me to know about. It's almost like, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna take that memory and move.
<v Speaker 2>It yeah, some some missing time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I told that story once and they, oh, that
<v Speaker 1>was you know mine speak, and I'm like, no, no, no, nobody,
<v Speaker 1>you know that didn't happen. But you know, I did
<v Speaker 1>not see a sasquatch during that encounter. I heard something running,
<v Speaker 1>I heard something breathing. I did not lay eyes on anything.
<v Speaker 1>So I cannot tie that event with anything remotely shashquats related.
<v Speaker 1>I guess I make people mad sometimes because I won't.
<v Speaker 1>I won't make that jump. You know. If people see
<v Speaker 1>lights and two seconds later they see a sasquatch walking
<v Speaker 1>through the woods, that's great. That's an incredible encounter. I'm
<v Speaker 1>glad you got to experience. But I didn't experience it,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not on board that train. He's a flesh
<v Speaker 1>and blood creature as far as I'm concerned.
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much everything that we know to be true scientifically
<v Speaker 2>can be traced back to some point where we thought
<v Speaker 2>it was something supernatural or paranormal in human history, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and it was just the lack of understanding at the
<v Speaker 2>time that caused it to be that way. And this
<v Speaker 2>could be the same thing, you know, it could very
<v Speaker 2>well be a flesh and blood thing, or it could
<v Speaker 2>be a flesh and blood thing that has abilities that
<v Speaker 2>we don't understand yet, or it could be something that
<v Speaker 2>we just don't understand at all and we think we do.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I mean Native Americans it's in
<v Speaker 1>all their mythology, their folklore, and that just because it's
<v Speaker 1>part of a mythology or folklore or they say it
<v Speaker 1>descended from the sky or anything like that, that doesn't
<v Speaker 1>mean that that's the honest to God's truth about it.
<v Speaker 1>That just means that that's how their oral history has
<v Speaker 1>portrayed through hundreds of generations of it being passed on
<v Speaker 1>because until the invention of the alphabet and writing, everything
<v Speaker 1>was oral. And you, I'm sure you've done it in schools.
<v Speaker 1>They put everybody in a circle and tell somebody something
<v Speaker 1>on one side, and by the time it gets back around,
<v Speaker 1>it's a totally different story. So things have to have
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of something to sustain them, to hold
<v Speaker 1>it together.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we didn't know sitting in that circle that
<v Speaker 2>that game was a life lesson of how things were
<v Speaker 2>going to be forever though.
<v Speaker 1>Ain't that the truth? That's exactly right, But you know, anyway,
<v Speaker 1>I kind of got off the subject a little bit there,
<v Speaker 1>I think, But I just I don't discount anybody with
<v Speaker 1>any supernatural aspect to their account. It's just I have
<v Speaker 1>not experienced that, so you know, until I do, I
<v Speaker 1>cannot switch camps from it being flesh and blood. So
<v Speaker 1>that's where I was going with all of it, I guess.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it's I really
<v Speaker 1>lead towards gigantopithecus.
<v Speaker 2>Now, you heard these things talking, Yeah, would you describe
<v Speaker 2>that as words in a language or would you describe
<v Speaker 2>it as just communicating with sounds?
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was. Well, that's a good good way
<v Speaker 1>to ask that question. It wasn't words, not words as
<v Speaker 1>we understand words. It did seem to have a cadence
<v Speaker 1>to it that would represent speech and communication. Now, when
<v Speaker 1>I say that, I'm talking about when I first heard it,
<v Speaker 1>where it was right on the edge of my hearing. Yeah. Now,
<v Speaker 1>when they busted out of the woods or out of
<v Speaker 1>the brush and saw me, then it was just a
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of almost just like chimpanzees that you would
<v Speaker 1>hear on TV, squealing and making chattering noise.
<v Speaker 2>Have you been back to this area over the years.
<v Speaker 1>I have hunted all the way around it. I had
<v Speaker 1>never stepped foot back in that holler until about three
<v Speaker 1>years ago, and I had went out the ridge. I
<v Speaker 1>had my son with me, and we had went out
<v Speaker 1>the ridge. I was trying to get him his first deer,
<v Speaker 1>and there was as we were coming back out, I
<v Speaker 1>had I noticed that some other guys had moved in
<v Speaker 1>and were in a tree stand that I did not
<v Speaker 1>see as we went in. So I didn't want to
<v Speaker 1>wreck their hunt, and so I actually went down into
<v Speaker 1>that holler and we walked out that way, and that
<v Speaker 1>was really the first time I've been back in it,
<v Speaker 1>which is it's kind of weird because I wasn't overly
<v Speaker 1>freaked out about the whole situation. I mean, I didn't
<v Speaker 1>run from the woods screaming. You know. Yeah, I just
<v Speaker 1>charged my weapon because I felt I needed to. But
<v Speaker 1>I reloaded my gun and turned around and walked out
<v Speaker 1>of the haller and I finished hunting the rest of
<v Speaker 1>the evening in that field. Like like I said about,
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe a thousand yards away from where I'd
<v Speaker 1>just seen these things. So I wasn't overly scared or
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. I think I was a little bit
<v Speaker 1>too in shock to be scared at that exact moment.
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe later it set in a little bit better.
<v Speaker 2>Here we are. You know, this happened in the mid eighties,
<v Speaker 2>and it led you to get a college degree, and
<v Speaker 2>here we are in twenty twenty five having a conversation
<v Speaker 2>about So. I don't think anybody question the impact it
<v Speaker 2>had on you. I mean everybody reacts differently. You know,
<v Speaker 2>it's not a horror show for everyone. I certainly didn't
<v Speaker 2>react that way, and I think it helped a lot
<v Speaker 2>that you know, there wasn't any real threat observed. They
<v Speaker 2>pretty much hauled ass on you, and you had your
<v Speaker 2>father there to confirm everything that happened and to keep
<v Speaker 2>you calm.
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, So yeah, I mean I surprised them as much
<v Speaker 1>as they surprised me, because they were either setting in
<v Speaker 1>the brush and maybe saw me and run out to
<v Speaker 1>try to get away, But it would make more sense
<v Speaker 1>that they would have run the opposite direction. But like
<v Speaker 1>I said, I never heard nothing running through the woods.
<v Speaker 1>And I've had people ask it, well, did the woods
<v Speaker 1>go silent? Well, the woods were silent when I went
<v Speaker 1>in there. There was gunfire at the bottom down the
<v Speaker 1>haller there, so things had gotten quiet anyway. Now were
<v Speaker 1>crickets and birds chirping. I don't remember, but there was
<v Speaker 1>no animal activity. But I just happened to be in
<v Speaker 1>their way. It's not like they were coming for me.
<v Speaker 1>If they were coming for me, they could have got
<v Speaker 1>me as fast as these two things were. They could
<v Speaker 1>have run over me by the time I chambered the
<v Speaker 1>second or third round into that gun. But when I
<v Speaker 1>heard the other noise behind me, spun around to make
<v Speaker 1>sure something wasn't right there fixing to get me. Then
<v Speaker 1>they adjusted where they were going, and then they took
<v Speaker 1>off the other direction. They didn't want to have anything
<v Speaker 1>to do with me, and I didn't want to have
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with them. I will admit that over
<v Speaker 1>the years, sometimes my imagination gets the best of me.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes when we're in the woods, I just get uneasy feelings.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes everybody talks about the mind speak thing. And I
<v Speaker 1>did have an incident one time we were we had
<v Speaker 1>been to one location and just want to check out
<v Speaker 1>a secondary location, just kind of drive through it, and
<v Speaker 1>we had we had stopped. It was about three in
<v Speaker 1>the morning, and it was just me, my son, and
<v Speaker 1>one of his friends, and we had got out and
<v Speaker 1>I'd let them make a make a couple of calls.
<v Speaker 1>I was just uneasy from the minute we got out
<v Speaker 1>of the truck. It could have been just because it
<v Speaker 1>was a spooky night, it was foggy, It could have
<v Speaker 1>been just because we were so remote and there was
<v Speaker 1>absolutely nobody around. But I just had this kind of
<v Speaker 1>uneasy feeling, and it just kept getting worse and worse,
<v Speaker 1>and then this is this is kind of touchy here.
<v Speaker 1>But something in the back of my mind said you
<v Speaker 1>need to leave, and so I said, okay, and we
<v Speaker 1>got the truck and we left. Now, once again, there
<v Speaker 1>was no sasquatch. We never heard the first sound that
<v Speaker 1>would have indicated there was a sasquatch. Was it my
<v Speaker 1>overactive imagination, was I tired? Could have been all the above,
<v Speaker 1>But something in the back of my head said you
<v Speaker 1>need to leave, and so we left. Now, I've always
<v Speaker 1>had a pretty good good instinct on situations that were questionable.
<v Speaker 1>That comes from being a musician and playing honkey talks
<v Speaker 1>all your life. Right, you know that when things are
<v Speaker 1>not quite right, So you know that's one of them
<v Speaker 1>wo things. But like I said, once again, there was
<v Speaker 1>no sasquatch involved in the making of this story, so
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't contribute that to that.
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting to me, though, I mean, you're certainly not
<v Speaker 2>the first person that I've heard say that, and you're
<v Speaker 2>not the first person that's grounded in logic and a
<v Speaker 2>belief that these are flesh and blood just admit that
<v Speaker 2>they've experienced something like that. It's interesting that it's always
<v Speaker 2>a warning, right.
<v Speaker 1>And really the only reason I brung it up is
<v Speaker 1>because when I was doing another one of these, I
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it, and I don't want to be accused of, oh, well,
<v Speaker 1>he said this on this show, but didn't say it
<v Speaker 1>on this show, so it didn't happen. So I'm you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to cover all my bases because you know,
<v Speaker 1>the last thing I want is for somebody to say
<v Speaker 1>that I'm making anything up or anything like that, because
<v Speaker 1>I have been very adamant with my sons and the
<v Speaker 1>guys that I do this with that if it didn't happen,
<v Speaker 1>we don't say it did, because that's that's not helping anything.
<v Speaker 1>You'll not find the Kentucky Center of Bigfoot Research on
<v Speaker 1>any web page. We have a Facebook page. We don't
<v Speaker 1>post stories. We don't post findings, because in my mind,
<v Speaker 1>we haven't found anything that furthers the topic. You know,
<v Speaker 1>how many pictures of footprint indentions in the ground can
<v Speaker 1>can we put out there? You know, Yeah, we've got
<v Speaker 1>recordings of howls, we've found footprints, We've done gifty things.
<v Speaker 1>We've we've had rocks thrown, we've had some some strange
<v Speaker 1>stuff happened. But you know how many times does that
<v Speaker 1>story need to be told? You made reference to a
<v Speaker 1>what does it take to prove it? It's going to
<v Speaker 1>take a body. Science has to have a specimen. Now,
<v Speaker 1>I've heard people that are anti quil and they well,
<v Speaker 1>if you had you know, footprint evidence and DNA evidence
<v Speaker 1>and video evidence, Well, yeah, I suppose if you filmed
<v Speaker 1>one walking through a field, got the track where it stepped,
<v Speaker 1>and got hair off the fence where it crossed, and
<v Speaker 1>you video documented all this in you know, HD resolution,
<v Speaker 1>that might tip more hats our direction. But for mainstream
<v Speaker 1>science to ever fully be on board, there's going to
<v Speaker 1>have to be one on a slab that can be
<v Speaker 1>analyzed and answer some evolutional questions as to where this
<v Speaker 1>creature may have come from.
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean you said it right there, all those
<v Speaker 2>things are evidence, they're not proof.
<v Speaker 1>That's the problem, right, Yeah, There's only one thing that's proof,
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's the body laying there. You know, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I would, I would probably put one down, but I
<v Speaker 1>would have to be bad close to the truck when
<v Speaker 1>I done it, and I would have to have back
<v Speaker 1>up because I believe if you actually tried to physically
<v Speaker 1>harm an adult that things would not go good. If
<v Speaker 1>you could not get away quick, if you unless you
<v Speaker 1>killed it, and if you did kill it, that may
<v Speaker 1>make it worse.
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<v Speaker 2>Now we'll get back to our conversation. You mentioned earlier
<v Speaker 2>that this location where you had your encounter is in
<v Speaker 2>western Kentucky.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's in Metuhlenberg County. Peabody Co Company is I
<v Speaker 1>think it's spread out across three counties, but we were
<v Speaker 1>was in Meuhlenberg County. If you check all the big
<v Speaker 1>report websites, you know, the BFRO places like that, you'll
<v Speaker 1>find about ten different accounts that happen right around there.
<v Speaker 1>Highway seventy runs right through where we were at. Matter
<v Speaker 1>of fact, where I saw my two A County one time,
<v Speaker 1>I think there were six reports that was within three
<v Speaker 1>miles of where I saw mine at. At the very
<v Speaker 1>bottom of this holler, it goes into what's known as
<v Speaker 1>the Pond River. And on the other side of the
<v Speaker 1>pond River from where this happened at there is a
<v Speaker 1>small boat dock that you access through Morton's Gap White
<v Speaker 1>Plains area in Hopkinsville off the Pennyroyal Parkway, and it
<v Speaker 1>goes right to this area. So I know that there's
<v Speaker 1>been three or four that's happened on that side of
<v Speaker 1>the pond River, and that's only because it's more populated
<v Speaker 1>on that side, it's easier to get to To get
<v Speaker 1>to where I was, you're actually driving on coal company
<v Speaker 1>roads for about three miles maybe a little longer before
<v Speaker 1>you get to where mine actually happened at and when
<v Speaker 1>when mine happened, we had a four wheeler involved to
<v Speaker 1>get to the actual field. So it's it's it's very
<v Speaker 1>remote as to where the boat dock. You can drive
<v Speaker 1>a car right to the boat dock. And when I
<v Speaker 1>say boat dock, I don't mean a big you know,
<v Speaker 1>it's a nice big boat ramp and there's places to
<v Speaker 1>park your trucks and trailers. No, it's just a little
<v Speaker 1>ten twelve foot wide concrete slab that runs into the
<v Speaker 1>creek where duck hunters launched their john boats from. It's
<v Speaker 1>nothing elaborate. There's no lights, no, nothing like that. The
<v Speaker 1>area is big on hunting, both deer, rabbits and ducks
<v Speaker 1>because that's in the flyway zone for duck hunters as
<v Speaker 1>the migration pattern, so there's a lot of that goes
<v Speaker 1>on down there.
<v Speaker 2>Is there a part of Kentucky that's more known for
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot activity.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say East Kentucky Appalachian region, because West
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky we're far removed from the hills of Appalachian. All
<v Speaker 1>of our research now mostly focuses on East Kentucky. Matter
<v Speaker 1>of fact, we've got some of our best stuff outside
<v Speaker 1>of my siding within six miles where I live. I
<v Speaker 1>got the best sound recording we ever got standing in
<v Speaker 1>my backyard.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.
<v Speaker 1>So I live in the middle of two thousand acre.
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever take game reserve. There's a little strand
<v Speaker 1>of about eight houses right here on this road, and
<v Speaker 1>the game reserve actually surrounds all the way around.
<v Speaker 2>Us, so you can do research right out your yard.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. And you know, when we got this, we
<v Speaker 1>didn't even I mean, we weren't trying to do anything.
<v Speaker 1>Me and my son. We'd had a tree that we
<v Speaker 1>cut down, so we were burning the brush in the
<v Speaker 1>backyard and we had had a pretty good fire going
<v Speaker 1>for two or three hours, and it got almost dark,
<v Speaker 1>and he come on back inside because he had homework
<v Speaker 1>and stuff he needed to do. And I gathered up
<v Speaker 1>the stuff we had out in the yard, you know,
<v Speaker 1>some gas and things like that, and was carrying it
<v Speaker 1>back to the house when when all at once, there
<v Speaker 1>was the the awfulest high powered screen I've ever heard,
<v Speaker 1>and I envisioned it in my head. It's almost like
<v Speaker 1>a dome that I can see in my mind this sound.
<v Speaker 1>And as soon as he let off every dog that's
<v Speaker 1>in the area. Of course, chimed in, and it took
<v Speaker 1>me a second or tutor realized I was holding my
<v Speaker 1>phone in my hand and hit the voice recorder on it.
<v Speaker 1>So I got the tail end of it, and I
<v Speaker 1>sent it to Cliff Frackman and had him send it
<v Speaker 1>to the guy that was doing the audio project, the
<v Speaker 1>Big Foot Vocals audio project, And he said when he
<v Speaker 1>first he said, just listening to it, he said, I
<v Speaker 1>wanted to write it off as canaine, and he said,
<v Speaker 1>of course, you've got a lot of canines in that.
<v Speaker 1>But he said, when I run it through the analyzer
<v Speaker 1>and looked at it on the celloscope and all the stuff,
<v Speaker 1>he said, there is a distinct signature at the end
<v Speaker 1>of the vocalization. Now he did not tell me what
<v Speaker 1>it was. I guess that's kind of a secret right now,
<v Speaker 1>but he said, he said that there was a distinct
<v Speaker 1>signature that on all the reports that he gives credit
<v Speaker 1>to me in sasquatches to have this signature, and he
<v Speaker 1>said it was it was present in my recording. And
<v Speaker 1>then about I don't know, maybe a month later, we
<v Speaker 1>got another one doing the same thing, and so we've
<v Speaker 1>got two recordings from right here at the house. Another
<v Speaker 1>guy I know. He he does some bigfoot research and
<v Speaker 1>there is a an area close to me. It's called
<v Speaker 1>the Pinnacles. Ironically, it's a very popular hiking area. It
<v Speaker 1>goes to a top of a mount where you can
<v Speaker 1>stand on the rocks right on the edge of the
<v Speaker 1>cliff and see for miles. So it's a very popular area.
<v Speaker 1>And he had done some research up in there because
<v Speaker 1>it's about I think about fifteen hundred acres this area is.
<v Speaker 1>It's owned by the brig College and he had got
<v Speaker 1>some sounds and things like that. So him and two
<v Speaker 1>of his friends went up there and it actually took
<v Speaker 1>them longer to get to the top, I think than
<v Speaker 1>what they gave it credit for. And anyway, they got
<v Speaker 1>escorted off the mountain by several of these creatures. I
<v Speaker 1>don't care to talk about it, because they actually did
<v Speaker 1>a TV show on it. It was on these Woods
<v Speaker 1>or Haunted. And he told me that when they hit
<v Speaker 1>the pavement area, there's a big parking lot where people
<v Speaker 1>can park. There's a big forestry education building that the
<v Speaker 1>college uses there. So it's a nice facility. They have
<v Speaker 1>craft farres and festivals where this is at But he
<v Speaker 1>said when they got to the paved area, he said
<v Speaker 1>the one that was, however, many hundred yards behind them.
<v Speaker 1>He said, when their feet hit the pavement, said that
<v Speaker 1>it yelled, and he said the show led on like
<v Speaker 1>there might have been one or two creatures, but he
<v Speaker 1>said there was at least six more of them that
<v Speaker 1>yelled all the way up to the top of the mountain.
<v Speaker 1>When they made it to the parking lot, it was
<v Speaker 1>almost like the one let them know that they had
<v Speaker 1>run them off, and they were just relaying the message.
<v Speaker 1>I talked to him and played him my voice recording,
<v Speaker 1>and he said that it sounded exactly to him like
<v Speaker 1>one of the creatures that he had heard on the pinnacles. Now,
<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm even seeing any of this is because
<v Speaker 1>the location where we do a ton of field work
<v Speaker 1>at because one, because it's very easy to get to.
<v Speaker 1>It's only about five miles from my house. My house,
<v Speaker 1>the research location and the pinnacles form a triangle that
<v Speaker 1>are five miles on each side of the triangle, so
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a squatch triangle. And anyway, that's
<v Speaker 1>why is it bringing that up, because kind of give
<v Speaker 1>you an idea of what we're dealing with.
<v Speaker 2>Here in the same general territory.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, and where we do a lot of our
<v Speaker 1>research at. I had a woman to contact me through
<v Speaker 1>Facebook through the organization's page and said that they had
<v Speaker 1>been running out of the woods by something screaming and
<v Speaker 1>throwing rocks, and she told me where it was at,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, that's crazy. People are out there fishing
<v Speaker 1>all the time. They go fishing, they go hiking, kids
<v Speaker 1>go out there and park go out there and party.
<v Speaker 1>It's an active area. You know. Once again, this is
<v Speaker 1>owned by the college. I couldn't tell you how many
<v Speaker 1>thousands of acres the college owns here, but they do
<v Speaker 1>nothing with it. It's just all wild and wooly and
<v Speaker 1>it's a reservoir lake. Anyway, she told me that, and
<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, there ain't nothing out there, but I
<v Speaker 1>think for her report and told her we'd look into it. Well.
<v Speaker 1>My son had turned eleven, I believe he was, and
<v Speaker 1>him and a few of his buddies wanted to go
<v Speaker 1>squatching because they all loved finding Bigfoot and all the shows.
<v Speaker 1>So I thought, well, that would be a nice safe
<v Speaker 1>place to take them, let them just have fun. It
<v Speaker 1>was in February. He had the boys over. It had
<v Speaker 1>rained for like three days, very hard, like it always
<v Speaker 1>does in February here. But that night it was the
<v Speaker 1>first full moon in February, and it finally cleared up
<v Speaker 1>that evening just as the sun was going down and
<v Speaker 1>quit raining. So I told him, I said, boys, let's
<v Speaker 1>go squatch him. So I loaded them up in the truck.
<v Speaker 1>We went out there, drove down the side of the
<v Speaker 1>lake where the woman told me to, and we parked
<v Speaker 1>down at the down at the end of one of
<v Speaker 1>the forest sleughs. And uh, I mean, we're on a
<v Speaker 1>paved road. That's that's how kind of popular of this
<v Speaker 1>area is. The other side of the lake is all gravel,
<v Speaker 1>but this side of the lake happens to have a
<v Speaker 1>paved road on it. But we're sitting there. We got
<v Speaker 1>out of the truck and I said, okay, boys, said,
<v Speaker 1>you all do what you think you need to do.
<v Speaker 1>I have fun, Just enjoy yourself. So they're making making calls.
<v Speaker 1>They've got the knockers out and they're they're making wood knocks.
<v Speaker 1>They're doing weird things, like one of them's got a
<v Speaker 1>train whistle and he's blue head. A couple of and
<v Speaker 1>they're just having a blast, you know, they're they're geeking
<v Speaker 1>out taken. I'm standing there and my son says, I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to do He said, I'm going to do my
<v Speaker 1>famous two shorts in a log and I said, okay.
<v Speaker 1>So he does this woo woo woo. You know, and
<v Speaker 1>now mind you, they're they're eleven and ten, so they've
<v Speaker 1>got them high shrilling voices still. And this is kind
<v Speaker 1>of what I was leading up to when I was
<v Speaker 1>talking about how nothing ever happened until I bring the
<v Speaker 1>kids along. So anyway, he does that, and I'm standing
<v Speaker 1>there and I'm looking out across the slough. Now, now
<v Speaker 1>the water is up, because like I said, it's poured
<v Speaker 1>for three days, so the water is up. It's about
<v Speaker 1>two hundred two fifty yards to the other side of
<v Speaker 1>this sloep. And he does his call, and probably not
<v Speaker 1>three seconds later, I'm seeing this, just a little bit
<v Speaker 1>littler than a basketball size rock come flying through the
<v Speaker 1>air from the other side of the lake or of
<v Speaker 1>that slough, two hundred and fifty yards give or take
<v Speaker 1>away from where I'm standing, and it lands not in
<v Speaker 1>the water, not twenty feet from where I'm standing. Man,
<v Speaker 1>and of course, you know, it starts me break the
<v Speaker 1>boys out. Of course, then I immediately put them in
<v Speaker 1>the truck because I'm I'm not quite sure what's happening
<v Speaker 1>at this point, but there they look like the clamp that.
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're all hanging out the end as you've
<v Speaker 1>done a lot of good. But put them in the truck,
<v Speaker 1>you know. But anyway, they're they're doing that, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>looking around and I've got one of our good flashlights,
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's a little misty, you know, where it's raining,
<v Speaker 1>it's cold, it's forty degrees, it's February. I'm shining it around.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not seeing anything, but I hear what sounds like
<v Speaker 1>something enter the water, just like you would if if
<v Speaker 1>you pushed the canoe off the bank and it started
<v Speaker 1>going down. You know, It's it's not making ways, it's
<v Speaker 1>not making you know, any sort of wake, but it's
<v Speaker 1>making just little ripples and you can kind of hear it,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, okay, And then I get to hear
<v Speaker 1>in this tapping sound. It's clacking. It is almost like
<v Speaker 1>a kind of sound, and I can't find anything. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not seeing anything, so it does that for a few
<v Speaker 1>minutes and it kind of slows down and just eventually
<v Speaker 1>there's there's really nothing else going on. I haven't heard
<v Speaker 1>anything move, I haven't seen anything. So I tell the guys,
<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, if you all had enough, and of
<v Speaker 1>course they've they've reached you know, maximum overdrive on this.
<v Speaker 1>They're they're good to go at this point, and we leave.
<v Speaker 1>So the next day I called, or I guess I
<v Speaker 1>messaged Bobo off of finding Bigfoot James Faith, and I
<v Speaker 1>told him what happened. And I said, have you ever
<v Speaker 1>experienced that before? And he said, yeah, I've had that
<v Speaker 1>happen a time or two. He said, that was a
<v Speaker 1>large mail and he was mad, and uh, the clacking
<v Speaker 1>sound was him clicking his teeth together, just like a
<v Speaker 1>bear does when they get mad. That jaw popping sound
<v Speaker 1>of the teeth banging together, that's what he implied that was.
<v Speaker 1>And and he said, you were right to leave with
<v Speaker 1>the boys because I was underpowered. I mean, I had
<v Speaker 1>a nine milimeter nine milimeter pistol with me, but that
<v Speaker 1>was for you know, dope head protection, not sasquatch professor,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and uh, you know, so I was greatly underprepared,
<v Speaker 1>and of course we didn't have none of the high
<v Speaker 1>tech stuff with us. You know, the boys were just
<v Speaker 1>having fun. That's what we went out to do. So anyway,
<v Speaker 1>he said you were right to leave, but go back,
<v Speaker 1>and I said, okay. So we went back at least
<v Speaker 1>once a month for the rest of that year. Never
<v Speaker 1>never another thing happened while we were out there. Like
<v Speaker 1>I said, it was the first full moon of February. Now,
<v Speaker 1>in the course of that year, we met a lot
<v Speaker 1>of people out there that lived out there, and one
<v Speaker 1>woman told me that she hears them all the time
<v Speaker 1>in the winter on the ridge. She hears strange house
<v Speaker 1>and she called them bigfoots. I never called them bigfoots.
<v Speaker 1>She was the one that said that. But she said
<v Speaker 1>that there was a couple of caves up toward the
<v Speaker 1>top of the mountain that she thought he stayed in.
<v Speaker 1>That's what she said. So anyway, we didn't have anything
<v Speaker 1>of note happened the rest of that year. On the
<v Speaker 1>following February, it was the full moon once again, we
<v Speaker 1>went to another location in a county next to us,
<v Speaker 1>where a friend of ours had a Class A siding,
<v Speaker 1>and it's about a two hour drive up there. So
<v Speaker 1>we went up there. We hung out until about twelve
<v Speaker 1>twelve o'clock something like that, and we come back down
<v Speaker 1>to go to our hotspot. We pulled up in the
<v Speaker 1>exact same spot, the exact same four guys got out
<v Speaker 1>of the truck, and of course, for driving two hours,
<v Speaker 1>the first thing we all had to do was use
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. So that's what we were standing there doing.
<v Speaker 1>We hadn't made a sound other than pulled up and
<v Speaker 1>get out of the truck, and we had another rock
<v Speaker 1>thrown at us the exact same spot. One year to
<v Speaker 1>the lunar calendar date later, another rock gets thrown. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>and my son is the one. Him and one of
<v Speaker 1>his other friends, they saw it. I did not see it.
<v Speaker 1>I was on the other side of the truck, but
<v Speaker 1>they saw it come through the air, and he said
<v Speaker 1>it was about the size of a good cantalope. And
<v Speaker 1>of course they are all bigfoot experts. Now at this point,
<v Speaker 1>they've got years worth of of you know, trying under
<v Speaker 1>their belts, so anyway they you know, he I trust
<v Speaker 1>him what he said, so I have no reason to
<v Speaker 1>believe that it wasn't a rock that big. But there
<v Speaker 1>was nothing else happened after that point, and we stayed
<v Speaker 1>around for probably forty five minutes and nothing else happened.
<v Speaker 1>We'd like to joke around that he just saw us
<v Speaker 1>pull up and was saying, hey, I remember you guys.
<v Speaker 1>But since then, about every I'm gonna be generous and
<v Speaker 1>say every ten or so trips that we go out there,
<v Speaker 1>we have a little something big footage happen, wood knocks,
<v Speaker 1>or a whistle. We had on the last times we
<v Speaker 1>were out there, I was leaning up against my truck,
<v Speaker 1>and of course the boys are older now, they're fourteen, fifteen,
<v Speaker 1>sixteen years old. They had walked about seventy five one
<v Speaker 1>hundred yards away from the truck because they're not scared anymore,
<v Speaker 1>you know, not scared of the dark like they were.
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I'm just leaning up against the truck and
<v Speaker 1>they're down there and they've done a wood knock or two.
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like somebody had just picked up a handful
<v Speaker 1>of fine gravel and just threw it onto my truck.
<v Speaker 1>There was no big rocks involved. You heard it hit
<v Speaker 1>the truck where we were parked at There was no
<v Speaker 1>trees over top of the truck, so it wasn't acrons
<v Speaker 1>or seeds or anything like that falling on the truck.
<v Speaker 1>These were rocks, but it sounded like you just picked
<v Speaker 1>up a handful of small, fine gravel and just pitched
<v Speaker 1>toward my truck. I guess that was the latest incident
<v Speaker 1>that happened.
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever gone to the other side of the sloop?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. And actually that incident where the handful
<v Speaker 1>of rocks was thrown, that was on the other side
<v Speaker 1>of the lake. We've had We've had activity all the
<v Speaker 1>way around the lake. We've had big rocks thrown at
<v Speaker 1>us on both sides of the lake. Now we've heard
<v Speaker 1>sounds on both sides of the lake. My son said
<v Speaker 1>he thought he saw something one afternoon while we were
<v Speaker 1>out there. Me and him had went out. I don't
<v Speaker 1>even remember what we went for, but we were we
<v Speaker 1>wanted to look at something before we went back on
<v Speaker 1>another field trip. And the college had come out and
<v Speaker 1>done something. And anyway, they had cut up a little
<v Speaker 1>path up the bank, and he said, I'm gonna walk
<v Speaker 1>up here and see what they've done. I said, okay,
<v Speaker 1>And a few minutes later I hear him running down
<v Speaker 1>the bank and he said, I don't know what it was,
<v Speaker 1>but I saw something brown move on the other side
<v Speaker 1>of that opening up there, and I was like, well, okay,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it was, but I'm glad you
<v Speaker 1>saw something. So you know, we can't chalk that up. Well,
<v Speaker 1>we can't talk any of it up. It's big for
<v Speaker 1>it because we didn't see none of it. But you know,
<v Speaker 1>the the rocks were possums aren't out in the woods
<v Speaker 1>throwing rocks. You can tell the sound of a beaver
<v Speaker 1>tail slap as opposed to a rock landing in the water.
<v Speaker 1>When when a beaver smacks the water with his tail,
<v Speaker 1>it's sounds just like you went out and smacked the
<v Speaker 1>surface of the pool. It's just that, just that solid smack.
<v Speaker 1>When those rocks come in, they they hit the water
<v Speaker 1>and they went deep. I mean it was blump. You
<v Speaker 1>heard that secondary blump as the water it's pushed out
<v Speaker 1>of the wave bubbles back up and then the splash
<v Speaker 1>went high and it rained down. You know, that's not
<v Speaker 1>a beaver tail slap. And even if I had not
<v Speaker 1>seen the rock with my own eyes, I could write
<v Speaker 1>it off that it was not a beaver just on
<v Speaker 1>the sound that the impact of the rock made on
<v Speaker 1>the water surface. We had one weird thing happened out there.
<v Speaker 1>We were we were out there, we had we had
<v Speaker 1>the recorders set up, we had the parabolic mic out
<v Speaker 1>I think we even we're even running thermal camera. And
<v Speaker 1>we got to hearing a kitten mew, a baby, little
<v Speaker 1>tiny kitten like it was hungry and it was trying
<v Speaker 1>to find its mama. And it would be it sounded
<v Speaker 1>like it was sixty or seventy yards out here on
<v Speaker 1>the left, and then a few minutes later it'd be
<v Speaker 1>twenty yards over here on the right, and it was
<v Speaker 1>just all over, just a baby kitten crying. But for
<v Speaker 1>the sound it was making, for us to have heard it,
<v Speaker 1>it would have been a baby kitten at our feet. Huh.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's how loud to cry was. But we never
<v Speaker 1>saw kitten. We never saw anything at all. Nothing was
<v Speaker 1>picked up on thermallemaking. But there's a baby kitten crying
<v Speaker 1>all over the little wooded area back there, and we
<v Speaker 1>never never laid eyes on it. So that was kind
<v Speaker 1>of weird.
<v Speaker 2>You ever done any snooping around at LBL.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I spent quite a few years hunting at LBL.
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, the first deer I ever
<v Speaker 1>killed was in Zone seven of LBL when I was eleven.
<v Speaker 2>And you weren't attacked by a dog man or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Was not attacked by a dog man. But now I
<v Speaker 1>will be the first to admit that what I saw
<v Speaker 1>at Peabody, if they were not juvenile sasquatches, that's the
<v Speaker 1>only other logical explanation of what they could have been.
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard about dog man for twenty years, I guess,
<v Speaker 1>and I always just wrote it off of you know,
<v Speaker 1>these are people that saw a bigfoot and there was
<v Speaker 1>something different about it, or they didn't get a good
<v Speaker 1>look at it, or their over active imagination took them
<v Speaker 1>to a werewolf, you know. But then when you start
<v Speaker 1>getting hundreds upon hundreds, if not thousands, of eyewitness accounts
<v Speaker 1>that all say the same thing, you've got to give
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit of credence. I mean, we're basing
<v Speaker 1>our bigfoot research on the same thing. Well, we've got hundreds,
<v Speaker 1>if not thousands of eyewitness accounts that all see the
<v Speaker 1>exact same thing. There's got to be something there. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>that's fine and dandy, But now you've got the same
<v Speaker 1>thing for something else. Are you not going to give
<v Speaker 1>it the same leeway and credit that you give your subject,
<v Speaker 1>just because it's not your subject, you know. And that's
<v Speaker 1>another reason why I don't write off any of the
<v Speaker 1>woo stuff. I mean, we've had woost happened, like I said,
<v Speaker 1>but we there was no sasquatch involved, So I can't
<v Speaker 1>link the two because that's muddy in the waters, right
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, that's not something I want want
<v Speaker 1>to do or be accused of.
<v Speaker 2>But I think it's important that you're at least mentioning
<v Speaker 2>it and taking note of it and documenting that it
<v Speaker 2>did happen.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean we we had notebooks full
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. The way we document we document time, we
<v Speaker 1>document weather conditions, lunar phases, obviously, you know, just everything
<v Speaker 1>that we can we can think of to document. We do.
<v Speaker 1>Whenever we find a footprint, I let the archaeologist geek
<v Speaker 1>in me out. I'm talking about soul, texture and the color,
<v Speaker 1>you know, everything like that, just like I'm writing a
<v Speaker 1>technical report I'm fixing to turn into the state.
<v Speaker 2>Straight matters.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can build your road, just don't cover up
<v Speaker 1>my big footprint I found right go around. I've not
<v Speaker 1>done that. I have found stuff on archaeological projects before.
<v Speaker 1>One of the best footprints I ever found I found
<v Speaker 1>on a ARC project that had some some weary things
<v Speaker 1>happened too, that had a weird incident do it during
<v Speaker 1>a gifting experiment. It was a what we call a
<v Speaker 1>phase three project. There's three phases to ARC projects. Phase
<v Speaker 1>one is when you walk one hundred miles gigging the
<v Speaker 1>hole ever twenty meters. Phase two is when you found
<v Speaker 1>something and you go back and you just look a
<v Speaker 1>little bit closer. Phase three is when hey, yeah, we
<v Speaker 1>found something. It's right here, go delineate it and see
<v Speaker 1>how big it is, see what it actually is and
<v Speaker 1>what they were doing there. So uh. Phase threes are
<v Speaker 1>the ones you see on them in TV, like when
<v Speaker 1>they're in Egypt and they're down in the pits and
<v Speaker 1>they got their trowels and their little brushes and they're
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff like that. That's a phase three. We were
<v Speaker 1>working on a Phase three in Wayne County down below
<v Speaker 1>of Cumberland River Dam that makes Cumberland Lake. And we
<v Speaker 1>had had a bulldozer come in and straight scrape off
<v Speaker 1>the topsail of this area we were working in and
<v Speaker 1>I was just taking a little break and I was
<v Speaker 1>walking around the perimeter and the first thing I noticed
<v Speaker 1>was three holes in the ground, and I thought, that's
<v Speaker 1>that's strange, and I kind of looked at it a
<v Speaker 1>little bit closer, and then I noticed that off to
<v Speaker 1>the left of it there was about a fifty in impression.
<v Speaker 1>So I changed out of my archaeology hat and put
<v Speaker 1>on my big foot hat and got to look at
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit closer and figured out that it
<v Speaker 1>had topes in it. And so I'm down on my
<v Speaker 1>hands and knees and I've got my my tape measure
<v Speaker 1>out and I'm documenting everything, getting it from all different
<v Speaker 1>angles and trying to get as much detail as i
<v Speaker 1>can because I'm on an ARC project. I'm not packing
<v Speaker 1>around plaster or Paris to make a cast out of,
<v Speaker 1>you know. And so I'm getting up. After I get done,
<v Speaker 1>I go to raise up, and I realized that I'm
<v Speaker 1>raising up on my fingertips on my left hand, and
<v Speaker 1>it's making the same indention as those three holes that
<v Speaker 1>I'm making that originally attracted me to the spot. And
<v Speaker 1>I reach over without moving my fingers and stick them
<v Speaker 1>right in the three holes that were there, almost like
<v Speaker 1>I just pulled about a one bowl of bone stuck
<v Speaker 1>them into the other. Of course, the holes were a
<v Speaker 1>lot bigger than my fingers, and they were a lot deeper.
<v Speaker 1>They were about two inches longer than my longest finger.
<v Speaker 1>According to my rudler, I had with me my meter stick,
<v Speaker 1>so because I couldn't reach the bottom with my fingers,
<v Speaker 1>but I could obviously reach it with my tape measure.
<v Speaker 1>And so they were about two inches longer, and probably
<v Speaker 1>about the holes was about as big as two of
<v Speaker 1>my fingers put together. But the only thing I can
<v Speaker 1>figure is for some reason, the squatch may have been
<v Speaker 1>down on the knee for some reason, and when it
<v Speaker 1>went to raise up, it stuck its fingers in the
<v Speaker 1>mud just like I did, and raised up.
<v Speaker 2>And this was on the freshly scraped area.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is real. It was right on the end
<v Speaker 1>of it. It was right on the end of it.
<v Speaker 1>It was beside a pile of the topsail that we
<v Speaker 1>had scraped up, so it was right where the bulldozer
<v Speaker 1>had stopped pushing it and was put it all in
<v Speaker 1>one spot so it could be respread when we were done.
<v Speaker 1>It was right there and there was you know, a
<v Speaker 1>an archaeology project when you got a bunch of people there.
<v Speaker 1>Somebody's always playing music on their phone or something. Nobody
<v Speaker 1>can work quietly anymore, it seems like. So we'd be
<v Speaker 1>working and it would occasionally sound like we heard voices
<v Speaker 1>in the woods or that somebody was coming up to us.
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't you know, all that strange to have visitors
<v Speaker 1>on an archaeology project. That one. It would have been
<v Speaker 1>because it was kind of remote, but you could still
<v Speaker 1>you could still drive to it. But if somebody was
<v Speaker 1>to see us, they would have drove, They wouldn't have walked.
<v Speaker 1>They would have known how to access it by the
<v Speaker 1>farm path that was there. But we would just hear
<v Speaker 1>things like that, and and now and then you'd hear
<v Speaker 1>what sounds like a big limb brink or something. And
<v Speaker 1>so one day we were we were on lunch and
<v Speaker 1>one of the people that was on the project with
<v Speaker 1>me had some oranges and they were they were going bad,
<v Speaker 1>they had got soft, and she didn't want them and
<v Speaker 1>she was going to throw them in the woods, and
<v Speaker 1>I said, no, let me have them. And of course
<v Speaker 1>they all knew that I was a big cook guy,
<v Speaker 1>and I had two apples that I had took from
<v Speaker 1>the breakfast bar at the hotel that morning, and so
<v Speaker 1>I took what was it I had. I took a stick,
<v Speaker 1>I put an orange on, I put the apples, and
<v Speaker 1>then I put another orange on the other end, and
<v Speaker 1>I took it all and I put it in the
<v Speaker 1>fork of a tree about seven foot high off the ground,
<v Speaker 1>just what I could reach up there. And we left it.
<v Speaker 1>Next day we come back, it's still right there. Nothing
<v Speaker 1>has touched it. The next day we come back, it
<v Speaker 1>was still in the tree, but I could tell something
<v Speaker 1>had monkeyed with it. So I pulled it down. And
<v Speaker 1>when I pulled it down, I realized that the two
<v Speaker 1>apples were gone. Something had taken one of the oranges
<v Speaker 1>off the end of that stick and pulled both apples off,
<v Speaker 1>and then put the orange back on and put it
<v Speaker 1>back in the vina that tree. And of course my
<v Speaker 1>mind's working, you know, why didn't they take the oranges?
<v Speaker 1>You know? And which we all know that sasquatches migrat.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm satisfied that there is well, I know that
<v Speaker 1>there is also habituation situations where you know, sasquatches stay
<v Speaker 1>in this one spot, this is where they live. There's
<v Speaker 1>plenty of food cover shelter, water, the three components you need.
<v Speaker 1>And I got to thinking, well, if this was a
<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Native Sasquatch that hadn't really ever been anywhere else,
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, he didn't know what an orange was,
<v Speaker 1>but he knew what apples was because we have apple trees.
<v Speaker 1>We don't have orange trees in Kentucky. That's the only
<v Speaker 1>thing I can come up with. But that's that was
<v Speaker 1>what I thought. I thought, Well, if he is a
<v Speaker 1>true Kentucky Native Sasquatch, he's never encountered oranges in the wild.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you ran across something you had never
<v Speaker 2>seen before, would you eat it?
<v Speaker 1>Now.
<v Speaker 2>I've always told people that if they're they're going to
<v Speaker 2>try gifting or leaving food out or whatever, to try
<v Speaker 2>and use things that are native to the area that
<v Speaker 2>they're in.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, And I've I mean, I've talked to a
<v Speaker 1>lot of people that have success with gifting to some degree.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember who told me this, but they told
<v Speaker 1>me that they put a big white feather in like
<v Speaker 1>a tree stump and come back a couple of days later,
<v Speaker 1>and there was a dead mouse laying on the tree
<v Speaker 1>stump where the where the feather was, and the feather,
<v Speaker 1>of course was gone. But they also told me to
<v Speaker 1>be sure to take the mouse with me, not to leave,
<v Speaker 1>not to leave the sasquatch's gift, that that would be
<v Speaker 1>an insult. Yeah, I remember who told me that now.
<v Speaker 1>And this person was a little a little more on
<v Speaker 1>the they're more human than they are animal side, and
<v Speaker 1>you should show them great respect. And I can agree
<v Speaker 1>with that, you know, I mean, they're a primate. We're
<v Speaker 1>a primate. You know, we've got forty six chromosomes. A
<v Speaker 1>chimpanzee has forty eight. You know, chances are a sasquatch
<v Speaker 1>is probably right there in the neighborhood with us knocking
<v Speaker 1>on the door. We share ninety eight and a half
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine percent DNA with the chimpanzee. Sasquatch is probably
<v Speaker 1>right there. And anyway, this person was more along them lines.
<v Speaker 1>And they were friends with another person who said that
<v Speaker 1>they had lived on the same family homestead for fifty
<v Speaker 1>years and had known sasquatches their entire life. And I
<v Speaker 1>think I think they're both dead now, but I won't
<v Speaker 1>mention their names. But one of them, the one that
<v Speaker 1>had lived on the farm with them, she did tell
<v Speaker 1>me one thing back in the late nineties that turned
<v Speaker 1>out to be a scientific fact, I guess. In twenty
<v Speaker 1>twenty three, she had told me that this the elder Bigfoot,
<v Speaker 1>the elder male that lived on the farm. She said
<v Speaker 1>his name was Fox. Are you familiar with this story? Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, okay, then I don't have to try to
<v Speaker 1>just tell it without saying names. She told me that
<v Speaker 1>Fox would come to the door and ask for garlic. Now, granted,
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was taking all this with a grain
<v Speaker 1>of salt, you know, But like I said, I don't
<v Speaker 1>disregard anybody's tell And she said that she figured out
<v Speaker 1>that they wanted garlic because it keeps flies off of them.
<v Speaker 1>That's all fine and dandy. Fast forward to twenty twenty three.
<v Speaker 1>A friend of mine has a farm supply company, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm helping him with some trade shows and stuff. And
<v Speaker 1>he is a dealer for a feed company and their
<v Speaker 1>proprietary ingredient to their feed is garlic because it keeps
<v Speaker 1>flies off horses and cattle. Now, you can take that
<v Speaker 1>for what it's worth.
<v Speaker 4>But this woman tells me this in the mid nineties,
<v Speaker 4>and then twenty five twenty six years later, it's a
<v Speaker 4>proprietary secret or not a secret, but a proprietary function
<v Speaker 4>of this big feed company's feed that they put garlic
<v Speaker 4>in their feed because it does the same thing she
<v Speaker 4>said the Bigfoot told her it did.
<v Speaker 2>In fairness, in the late eighties, we had a dog
<v Speaker 2>that our veterinarian gave us garlic pills to give to
<v Speaker 2>the dog because it kept past like fleas and flies
<v Speaker 2>and ticks off of them. Right, So that was coming
<v Speaker 2>from a veterinarian in the late eighties. So I'm not
<v Speaker 2>disputing what she said. I'm just saying that information was around,
<v Speaker 2>at least in the late eighties.
<v Speaker 1>It was around, okay, Yeah, see I was totally unaware
<v Speaker 1>of it until this this Steed Company deal because that
<v Speaker 1>was their big push that they had figured yeah this out,
<v Speaker 1>which which maybe well obviously they had and if you
<v Speaker 1>get it was telling you this in the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's how a lot of things happened. You know,
<v Speaker 2>It's known around the rural areas for a while before
<v Speaker 2>it makes its way to mainstream and somebody figures out,
<v Speaker 2>oh way to cash in on it.
<v Speaker 1>So oh absolutely, And you know, my whole point of
<v Speaker 1>that was was talking about you know when people tell
<v Speaker 1>you something that sounds outlandish, don't totally discredit it because
<v Speaker 1>years later it may be proven as right. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>that's where I was kind of kind of going with that.
<v Speaker 2>I got heavily involved in this back in like nineteen
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine is kind of where I remember first siding
<v Speaker 2>onto the internet and looking into bigfoot stuff, and back then,
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing calls. Was laughed at them running around
<v Speaker 2>on all fours like you had experienced, even though people
<v Speaker 2>had reported it, laughed at them really existing outside of
<v Speaker 2>the Pacific Northwest. There was a few people who were like, well,
<v Speaker 2>maybe in Florida, you know, you've got this concave, but
<v Speaker 2>then Ohio maybe, But the rest of the United States,
<v Speaker 2>especially the southern region, now there's no bigfoot there, and
<v Speaker 2>now it's widely accepted, you know, and a dog man,
<v Speaker 2>you know, speaks for itself. So yeah, there's there's definitely
<v Speaker 2>a lot of aspects to this that you might want
<v Speaker 2>to just hold off on writing off immediately because they
<v Speaker 2>sound out landish to you, because, like you're saying, on
<v Speaker 2>down the road, you never know what's going to happen.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or at least don't make that your base claim
<v Speaker 1>the fame of disregarding this, you know, so to speak, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you know, don't. I would never listen to another researcher
<v Speaker 1>and then go bad Malcolm in anywhere in a public format.
<v Speaker 1>You know, privately, I might go he's crazier and now
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I'm not going to stand, you know,
<v Speaker 1>behind a podium or on stage or on a podcast
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that and disregard somebody because just like
<v Speaker 1>you said, you're down the road, it might come back
<v Speaker 1>and bite you in the butt. I really believe that
<v Speaker 1>if a lot of people would more openly share what
<v Speaker 1>they have truly found, and you know, we want to
<v Speaker 1>talk wu stuff. What we need to bring in people
<v Speaker 1>that do paranormal investigations as well into the bigfoot community
<v Speaker 1>and you know, get their input on it. And you know,
<v Speaker 1>because there's like there's many things with Bigfoot that happened
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly that have to mean something. I mean, the lights.
<v Speaker 1>People talk about lights all the time. Now I've never
<v Speaker 1>experienced that, but there's been hundreds of people that have.
<v Speaker 1>So you know, you can't disregard that, but it's got
<v Speaker 1>to mean something. Bigfoot's hanging around cemeteries. There's hundreds of
<v Speaker 1>people that have experienced that, so it's got to mean something,
<v Speaker 1>you know, and maybe people that investigate on the paranormal
<v Speaker 1>side can shed some light on that. I had a
<v Speaker 1>professor at the University of Lincoln down in Tennessee one
<v Speaker 1>time tell me that he thought that said squatches were
<v Speaker 1>ghosts of relic comminance. And I thought, boy, that that's
<v Speaker 1>a new one because I had never heard that. And
<v Speaker 1>he said, well, think about it. He said, you get
<v Speaker 1>ghost of revolutionary soldiers, Native Americans, He said, ghosts that
<v Speaker 1>were from hundreds of years ago. Why couldn't there be
<v Speaker 1>ghost of really commonans. And I'm like, well, that's that's
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good theory. I guess that's as plausible as,
<v Speaker 1>you know, any of some of these other things.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it explains a lot of the paranormal
<v Speaker 2>wu aspects to this, and you know, there's a chance
<v Speaker 2>that maybe some things are overlapping. Maybe it's not all
<v Speaker 2>just one thing, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I mean, like I said, to begin with,
<v Speaker 1>for me, I'm still you know, locked in the flesh
<v Speaker 1>and blood. I believe it's one of the gigantopipcus really
<v Speaker 1>common in or maybe a paranthropus might be a relic
<v Speaker 1>of that. Giganopithecus is closer than than any of the
<v Speaker 1>other ones, but it could be. I just believe that's
<v Speaker 1>where it's come from. It may not be a Gigantopithecus,
<v Speaker 1>but could very well be a branch off of it.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of opened my mouth on another podcast and
<v Speaker 1>I miscalled one of them by a wrong name, and
<v Speaker 1>that open whole whole crap storm. I actually, well, I
<v Speaker 1>kind of got off caught off guard because I didn't
<v Speaker 1>know we were going down that, so I hadn't brushed
<v Speaker 1>up on some of my names, and I called it
<v Speaker 1>a Giganopithecus Gary, which is an austria Alapithecus Gary, not Giganna.
<v Speaker 1>And somebody made a comment, there's only one Gigantopeticus. Well, no,
<v Speaker 1>technically there was three, and the first one that got
<v Speaker 1>found was was later relabeled as something else, so two
<v Speaker 1>of them were the exact same thing, and then they
<v Speaker 1>finally took that one and reclassified it as something entirely different.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we were all right, there there was three,
<v Speaker 1>but there is really only one. You know, it was
<v Speaker 1>kind of hard to explain. I had to make notes
<v Speaker 1>and go back on the podcast and do a correction
<v Speaker 1>because I didn't want people to think I wasn't you
<v Speaker 1>know what I said. I was, and I'm not a primatologist.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not, you know, I didn't specialize in that. I
<v Speaker 1>just took the the cultural and the evolutionary classes that
<v Speaker 1>went along with it, because that went along with my
<v Speaker 1>interest in the subject. Right. You know what some two
<v Speaker 1>pound primate eats on the weekend is of no interest
<v Speaker 1>to me. You know, Let's talk about the ones that
<v Speaker 1>wait a thousand.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's talk about the big ones.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't care about a sapsucker in New guineas.
<v Speaker 2>Well, Gene. I appreciate you coming on here man and
<v Speaker 2>sharing some of your insights and stories. I have thoroughly
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed it.
<v Speaker 1>Man, Oh, no problem, You're very welcome. Like I said,
<v Speaker 1>I get wended windy sometimes and I always feel like
<v Speaker 1>if something's worth talking about it in order to talk
<v Speaker 1>about it.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I agree.
<v Speaker 1>So, but I appreciate you having me on. I had
<v Speaker 1>a blast.
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<v Speaker 2>else you can't explain and you'd like to share it
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