Top Five Golfers of the Post-Tiger Era, NCAA Golf Championships, and Golden Age Auctions

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Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. And when I find my.

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Speaker 1: Ball in a brid egg Frida Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg.

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Speaker 2: Bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course. Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast. Today we have a jam packed episode. I'm gonna do a little thing here on the top five players post Tiger. We also have Brentley Romind from Golf Channel coming on to talk about the NCAA's Rojang and then a little bit of a men's preview with the men's Championship coming up soon. And then we also have a long chat with Ryan Carey. He's the founder of Golden Age Auctions and just wanted to talk to him about his entrepreneurial journey in golf. He's built quite the business and it is a really interesting story of somebody doing something unique in golf, and he has some pretty cool stories from the business. So before we get into any of that, let's go through the top five players post Tiger. So I thought this was a fitting exercise. Brooks Koepka wins the PGA, just a really dominant performance. He was scintillating and is just you know, moving himself up in the echelons of golf, becoming one of the all time greats. I think he was probably an all time great before this win. But to do it after the injuries, after going to live all of that, comeback this year, finishes second at the Masters, had a great chance to win there, and then wins in fairly dominant fashion. I think something that I brought up on the Shotgun start on our show right after that I found really interesting is is he closed the rounds of sixty six, sixty six, sixty seven. He obviously had the first round seventy two. He was a little shaky, wasn't great right off the bat. It's an eerily similar performance to that at beth Page, except you know, at beth Page he was gangbusters out the out of the gate in the first three rounds. It was just, you know, he put it away thirty six holes in he set a record for scoring and through thirty six holes, and you know, going into Sunday, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion until he struggled a little bit and Dustin Johnson made a charge, but you know, it got kind of close. There was a moment of doubt with four holes left, but not really you know, that much doubt throughout this one felt closer, maybe felt closer than it actually was. I have to give Victor Hovelin props. He was spectacular. Obviously, sixteen was the big turning point in the round. Really unbelievable shot by Koepka there to ice it, but you know, great performance. So that's what spurred on this Top five players post Tiger and Phil. I think that's what we're talking about. Tiger Phil Ernie posts them who are the best players in golf? And I think, you know, we have a lot of players to choose from. When you go down to five, it's tough. You know, Guys like Adam Scott and Sergio Garcia. I think they're unique. You know, they have basically the same exact career. They have a major of players, tons of wins. I mean, if you put him side by side, it's wild how similar they are. You know, they didn't make this, and I think it's it's important to note with them some of their prime coincided with the really dominant Tiger Woods that nineteen ninety nine two thousand and eight Tiger Woods. And you know, that's the tough thing about this is where are they if they are born a little bit later, if they are part of this era, you know, they grew up with track Man, where are they? There's been so much technological change in golf. We did a podcast years ago that dove into like what happens in workplaces when there's these massive technological changes workforces and how there's you know, generally a huge youth movement. And it's not because of just necessarily talent. It's because the technology change and different skills are rewarded. I think if you look at golf, that's definitely the case. And I think Adam Scott and Sergio Garcia have been able to bridge the years where a lot of their peers have fallen off become rather irrelevant. But those two have bridged the gap because of how talented they w were, how skilled they were, and really, you know, Tiger had this way of just crushing people that came in his wake during his heyday, and those guys were, you know, face some of the fiercest Tiger things. Especially you think about Sergio, some of the close calls of majors two PGAs at Medina, you finished runner up or close. I can't remember off the top of my head what happened in ninety nine, but he finished runner up in two thousand and five, obviously the Open, where he was a famously tweety bird. You know, these guys ran the gauntlet against Tiger, so they aren't on here. Let's get to number five. I've got Jordan Speed, three majors.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The thing with Speed is it's just you just wonder. And this is the thing about golf. What makes golf crazy is like, who's the best at fourteen isn't going to be the best at eighteen? Who the best at eighteen isn't necessarily who's going to be the best at twenty one? Who the best at twenty three isn't going to be the best at twenty eight, and so on and so forth. You keep going up and up. Jordan Speith was without a doubt the best player in the world, you know, and it happened in his early twenties. Now, you know, you think about that twenty fifteen year, it was just an unbelievable year. Really, the run from twenty fifteen through twenty seventeen, twenty fourteen through twenty seventeen was phenomenal. I just wonder, you know, three majors, have we seen the best golf from Jordan Speith or does he have another run in him. I mean, it's just a it's a fascinating aspect of golf. We haven't seen the dominance since twenty sixteen. Really twenty fifteen. We have seen a lot of very good play. But to be on this list, you need to be really great, and I just wonder, you know what his career pans out to be. I think like it could be one where we see three majors in twenty plus wins on the PGA Tour is going to be his I mean, this is a great, great career, but you know when that great golf was was really young, and we'll see I hope, I hope it comes back because he's he's great for the game. He's one of the most popular players, one of the players that really makes an impact on television and ratings. So hopefully we get another Sweeth run. Next up, I've got John Rahm, and it's crazy that he's already here. He's number four, He's got two majors. He's been just utterly dominant. He's not even the number one ranked player in the world, which I found to be you know, something like we did the pod podcast at right after and it's like kind of like leaked out. It was became a bigger story after a couple of days. I think Michael Block and Brooks really ate up the oxygen. But sky Scheffler's back to number one in the world, which is wild in a year that Rom's won five times. But you just start to look at Rom and where he's going. I mean, like, you know, the number, the sheer number of wins. You know, people will look at the PGA Tour wins, but he also has racked up a bunch of European Tour wins, a bunch of Rolex events on the European Tour, which are there big time events, so these are you know, obviously he has some some Spain and Lucia Masters, Spanish Open. Uh, you know, the Mexico Opened last year wasn't like a great win, but he's done a lot of damage and I expect this to only kind of go up. Number three Dustin Johnson, two majors, tons of close calls, obviously, just utterly dominant, consistent, career on the PGA Tour, he's been good at liv not you know, he's the best player on the tour last year. I I don't know what exactly that means. He hasn't been great in majors the last two years, which I I don't expect him to not pop. I think he'll he'll play well. I thought we were going to get a good DJ week this week at Okill, especially after that first round, but then he kind of fizzled out. We'll see what's left with Dustin Johnson. But you know, the number of WGCs that this guy won, you know, he's second to Tiger on that list. You know, it is a he's he had a great career, and I think like the thing that we get wrapped up with is the thing with DJ is the longevity of it. Really a decade plus of great play, and he is a Consistency and longevity one of the hard things with golf and golf careers, right, they have just a longer tail than other sports like football, especially like it's a great you know, obviously the quarterbacks are playing forever, but like, let's just take a running back in football, their careers are getting shorter and shorter, and it's becoming harder and harder to compare across eras. One of the things that you need to do is you need to look at like dominant bursts, right, who is the best in their best five years. Maybe with DJ, he's got just that enduring golf game where he's been a great player, one of the best in the world for a decade plus, and that's really hard to do. So Dustin Johnson's three on my list. Number two, I'm clocking in here Brooks Kopka. He's got the lead in majors, He's got five. He's got more than Rory, who's number one. I hope that doesn't come as a surprise. I think Brooks is really close to being number one. One more major. He's for sure number one in my books. But Brooks hasn't done it as long as Rory has. Rory's been a great player. Brooks has done a lot more recently than Rory. He's won his five majors since Rory had four. And you know that's that's an interesting aspect of the Rory McElroy situations. He hasn't won a major in ten years. He talked about it on full Swing. It feels like I'm trying to win my first and that's a it's a tough burden to overcome. With Brooks, it's just been it's been unbelievable. And it's not just the wins. It's the way he's racked up high finishes. It's the close calls. It's the you know, if Fill didn't win at Kiowa, Brooks was going to win. It's the you know, in the mix of the Masters with Rom and a duel, and Rom got the best of them. He's both come up very very close, very you know, close calls short at times to great players Tiger Woods in twenty nineteen. But he's also had dominant wins. And you know, that's the thing I think that's most impressive with Brooks is that he has he has had amazingly dominant wins. When you think about Aaron Hills, where it was kind of a foregone conclusion on the back nine on Sunday Beth Page similar o Kill. I'm not going to put it exactly there, but it was close, like it just it felt inevitable, and he has I think the greatest players have that feeling of inevitable and you know, you sta stack up the way his finishes mirror Tiger Woods, and it's super impressive. He's thirty three, you figure. You know, I don't know exactly what the status of his lower body is where he's had these problems hip knee problems. But let's just say he has four of the next five years or good years, He's got sixteen chances. He's winning at about a fifteen percent clip right now. You know he I don't think it's out of the question. He could get to eight nine major wins and at that point he's the greatest of the generation. I think the thing that you can pull back and why is not where Rory is is that he doesn't have the year in, year out consistency, the track record. I'm not a big PGA tour wins guy. I don't think I don't put a ton of stock into that. I or live tour. You know, you can give Brooks his two live wins. I'm not a big like regular event guy. I really value the majors way more than anything else. And it's it's I thought about putting Brooks at number one, but the reason Rory's number one, it's just sheerly the consistency year in year out for over a decade. This is something like there are very very few players if you look, if you go back through history, very few players are dominant players, among the best in the world for over ten years. You know that list is tiny, Like when you start to look at it, you know, you see these guys that just like they peak, they have ten great years and they fall off. With Rory McElroy, we're over ten years right now, and it doesn't look like it's slowing down. I mean, this could be of all the guys, you know, I think John Rahm, he's got kind of like the body type of you see some of these enduring players. He's big, he's got a big waste like these types of body type endure. But when you look at Rory, I think, like when we look at what golf, where golf's going, what golf is becoming its speed oriented. These young guys, a lot of them are really like they have similar games and it's tough to figure out who's going to be better than the other guy. But with Rory, Rory might be one of the few twenty plus year superstars right if we could get if he gets to twenty twenty nine, six years out he's about forty that he'll be twenty years and I don't know how many of those we have left in the game of golf with the direction it's going. So Rory's number one, He's obviously this is not He's got two FedEx Cups. I don't really care about that. He's got a players, he's got four majors, but it's just a sheer wins. I mean, like a down year for Rory. It's two wins. It's it's a and he's done it for over a decade. So that is kind of why he's number one. Brooks can pass him with more majors. We'll see if Rory gets one. I you know, you keep saying this, and I've been saying this for four or five years, like you expect Rory. Rory's gonna get one. I think that. I still think that's the case. I mean, you look at it. He didn't play great at Okill. You could go into why he didn't play great at o'kill, but he didn't play well at Okill. He did not have his A game, and he's still, you know, had an outside shot at contending on the weekend. Things didn't. I think he made just too many bogies, too many mistakes on the weekend. But he had an outside shot going into the weekend, and you know that's that's impressive in its own right to play pretty poorly. I bet he would walk away thinking, hey, I had my B minus C game and I've still finished top ten. Not many players do that. Brooks obviously is another guy that can do that and super exciting going into LACC. Brooks getting that win just adds fuel to the fire. I think I saw that. I saw He's not a favorite. I say he's not the favorite. I think it goes A buddy of mine was texting me about betting favorites for LACC. I think it goes rom Scheffler, Rory Koepka, which is crazy. I mean, he finished second and first. Feels like a Reduc's Kopka works everywhere. And obviously all four of those guys, I think they have elevated themselves to their own class in the sport right now and super excited for LACC. Let's take a quick break to talk about one of our sponsors, and then we will get to Brentley Romine. Today's episode is brought to you by our friends over at the USGA. This is a great time of year to become a USGA member. We've got the US Open fast approaching at LACC, also the US Women's Open at Pebble Beach. It's going to be a great couple weeks in kind of back half of June through July for the USGA championships on top of everything else they're doing. I mean, they have a ton of great championships throughout the year. 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As well as a lot of TV work this week because it is NCAA Finals, so we had the Women's Championship is the finals is just starting while we're recording this, and then we have the Men's Championship kicking off this week as well. So Brentley, thank you for coming on, Thank you for making time. I know this is a busy week. This has got to be like your super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: This is like my super Bowl. And it's funny because when I left for the Masters for two weeks a month and a half ago, I told my wife that that was my super Bowl and then I said, they used the same line again this week, and she said, you don't get two super bowls, pick one. So I had to pick one. It would definitely be the NC Double Championship.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. I have to say I've used like I've used various things throughout my ten year here with the wife, with especially extending trips. And one year in the same year, I extended a trip to play National Golf Links and I was like, it's one of the greatest courses in the world. And then a few months later I extended a trip to play Crystal Downs and said the same thing. And she goes, how many greatest courses in the world are there? And I was like, these really are two of the greatest courses in the world.

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Speaker 3: Did you did you send her the golf Dies Top one hundred.

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Speaker 2: No, No, she didn't ask that many questions. She wouldn't have read it anyways, She just you know, is you know? But but anyways, yeah, time away is always tough, busy week. So I want to get to kind of the women's side of the game first. And arguably one of the biggest stories in college golf in in decades Rojang. She wins her second back to back NTA title, She sets the Stanford wins record. And for all intensive purposes, is it hyperbole to say she's maybe the greatest collegiate golfer of all time.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's maybe the greatest. I think she is the greatest. And for those who were watching the broadcast yesterday when USC beat Stanford, USC's head coach Justin Silverstein said she is the greatest ammoner golfer of all time. Now, I'm not old enough to go back to Joanne Carner and Julie Inkster and those types of players, but the comparison that we've been talking about the last few months has been Loreno Ochoa, who played at Arizona two years back from two thousand to two thousand and two, and so that's the standard. And it's this season that Rose has had where she's won eight to ten eerily similar to the year that Lorena had her sophomore year in one to o two. And when you look at eight wins, now, Lorena didn't win the NCAA Championship. Rose did. Lorena didn't win the Pac twelves. But what Lorena did do is she went nine hundred and thirty three two and three. She lost to two players the entire season. Now, diving into it was a Veronica near a Pathpong porn and Jim and King. Oh my god, Yeah, I practiced that. I practiced the pronunciation. Ste Berkowski does a great pronunciation of that. But but yeah, I did a little practicing for this because I knew that we'd probably just be discussing it. But there's there's an argument because Rose obviously lost in more than two players this year. But college golf is way deeper. And I was talking to Laura Ianella, who's now the women's the head women's coach at Arizona. She was teammates with Lorena, so she should be pretty partial towards Loraina. And she says, you know, Lorraina was my teammate. I really can't can't say, but she did agree that college golf, and especially women's college golf much deeper. I mean, looking at the Golf Week Zagarin rankings, Rose was probably about maybe a half a shot better than the Raina was over the second ranked player in both their seasons, and then one to one to fifty the fiftieth ranked player. Loraina had a much bigger I think she had a shot in a half per round advantage on fifty compared to Rose. So that just leads you to believe that Rose was that much better than the next ranked player in college golf this season, which I believe was Julia Lopez Ramiers from Misissippi State. But number fifty is so much better. I mean, teams back in two thousand and two didn't have three, four five players like they just didn't. And now, I mean we're seeing four and five players finish in the top ten at the NCAA Championships. So I think that I think that puts it to rest that Rose is the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The depth obviously, I mean you see all the statistics with golf, like the fastest growing segment of golf is junior women's junior girls golf, like that is the fastest growing segment of golf is with girls, like teenage girls. And you see that packs of it at programs. I mean, you know, obviously you have top top programs and Stanford's a perfect example of that. And obviously USC is no slouch, but the Stanford team for all types of purposes with with you know, they obviously were a little bit shorthanded not having Rachel Hack, but they were a you know, historically great team the last couple of years. And them getting knocked off, I think it. I think it showcases a little bit of the depth of golf. But also like the beauty of this championship. I think, you know, I hope the popularity of college golf is growing. But like, one of the beautiful things with this match play portion of the of the championship that they've developed is it has this marsh madness feel of really anything can happen if you get to match play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's obviously purists like like Lance Ringler from Golf Week, who loves fifty four hold or even seventy two hole stroke play, isn't a big fan of match playing. He's certainly not a loan Uh sorry, sorry to call out lambs there, But I I like the match boy because how often in college basketball is the best team, like in the regular season, does the best team win? I mean I look back to make gosh, maybe six or seven years ago now, that great Kentucky team that I think lost to Wisconsin. I think they were undefeated or something and lost to Wisconsin. So I think for TV and for the growth of the sport and in the popularity, match plays a good thing. And I mean USC's ranked ninth in the country. It's not like we're seeing the fortieth ranked team win at all. So in Wake's number two. So this is a very much if we weren't talking about Stanford at the beginning of the year being one of the greatest of all time. Like when you look at that lineup, like you mentioned Rachel heck Brooks says on that team, you know she returned after Mega Ghana, who's a low ambu at the US Women's Open. I mean Angelina Yea is the seventh player on this team, and she's a US Girls your champion. Now she has lost her game over the last eighteen months or so, but I mean still, I mean, this is a this is a juggernaut team, and I think it's going to continue to be a juggernaut team because it's a great institution. Like it's a great academic school, and they got a heck of a coach and walker, and I mean people want to go there.

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Speaker 2: And great, great facilities too, in really.

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Speaker 3: Good facilities, except for the first hole where you have to hit over the power lines. I don't know if that's coming in golf architect I didn't read Jeff Shackelford's new book Golf Architecture for Normal People, but I would assume that crossing a busy street and hitting over power lines is not the best start in golf. But I have played the course. It's fun. It's a good course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good course. I like it. I get to get down there more often now that I'm pretty close. But the yeah, I think one of the things too. It had to help, Like USC plays Stanford a great deal. You know. I went out to an event they had at Metal Club, which is up near where I live, and went up and that was, you know, a final round of USC and Stanford duking it out. Like you know, I think there's got to be some intimidation factor that Stanford has built up and with USC that is a little bit mitigated because they see them all the time. They had competed with them regularly. They knew they could beat them. You know, they had beaten them regularly over rounds, you know, not regularly over tournaments, but regularly over rounds and when when you know, the beauty of this tournament, as you alluded to, is like anything could happen, and what in five matches over eighteen holes anything?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And speaking on USC, their familiarity with Stanford, they only beaten them. They only beat them one time this year and that was at the PAC twelve Championship, just down the road.

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Speaker 2: Big time to beat them at Papago.

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Speaker 3: Now granted that's stroke plays a stroke play, not match play, but still, I mean it's still eighteen holes of golf. I mean, you still have to play really well to be the team like Stanford. And that was a big thing for I thought it was interesting because I talked to Justin Silberstein after the win yesterday and he was talking about, you know, how he did the pairings. And obviously Catherine Park a huge flusher. I mean, there's a drill that USC does dating back to when Chris Stanbry was the men's coach. It's called the Extreme Line Tests, and you basically hit twenty shots from nine iron to two iron or whatever the equivalent of is of that. I imagine not too many golfers, especially women's players, hit two irons. But you start out like you go like seven iron, five, three, four, and it's twenty shots, and you measure the yards offline from or off center you are, and you add all that up and the men's record is Rico Hooly forty three yards, so we're talking about significantly less than three yards per shot off center. And Catherine Park broke the woman's record three times this year and her career best now is a forty five. So she's an absolute flusher. But as you saw, she struggles with her speed on the greens. She's not a great putter. But she's very familiar with Rose because they're from the same golf course in Irvine, California, Oak Creek that known each other, their best friends, and so if anyone believes that they could beat Rose, it's hurt. But Justin said that in order to beat a player like Rose on a very difficult golf course where it's all about just mitigating mistakes rather than going out and making a bunch of birdies, he needed someone that could get hot on the greens. And while Cindy Coe is their best putters to statistically, he said she's just right around even strokes game, Brianna Navarosa can get really hot and can gain two or three shots on the field with the putter. So he said that was the only chance that they had was to have one who could make a run on the greens, and she didn't quite do that, but you know, Rose showed up and shot five over on the front nine and kind of handed her a little bit early advantage. So but yeah, I mean this is just payback I think for all the years that USC beat up on Stanford and the rest of the Pac twelve. So Stanford has been pretty good since twenty fifteen when they won that national title. And but I mean, Justin's a great coach. I mean, USC is going to be right there, you know, getting some of the best recruits in the country, right along with Stanford over the next couple of decades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so with with Rose kind of tying up putting a bow here, we'll see, you know who wins the women's title between Wake and USC one comment, Amelia Micliaccio your what are your colleagues at Golf Channel?

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Speaker 3: She is, she's give me.

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Speaker 2: I think this is one of the.

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Speaker 3: She's getting married in three weeks, Charlie, And.

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Speaker 2: There's one of the verge shee was of COVID and what happened with COVID is like it's she's winning like the award of like seemingly batt in college golf Forever award because I think her career spanned so much with the televised college golf window and then obviously she got she took a gap year. Like it's just unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: She's the Quad Commings of Women's college golf. I mean Quad was like twenty eight when he when he got his degree and he walked across the stage at Oklahoma, So I don't think she quite beat his record. But yeah, I mean, she's she's getting married in three weeks, and there's a little concern because if you if you look at the player's legs, they wrote wake all the way down like the right legs and paint or something, and it's it's struggling to come off. So there's a little bit of a concern that there might be some some remnants left by the time she walks down the aisle. So hopefully she has a long dress. Unbelievable, that's just wait or it's just like the you know, like one one letter or something. It's like wak or ache or something.

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Speaker 2: So what what are your expectations for Rose as a pro? Like, what do you I think that's the thing, the big question now that that you know, all signs are pointing to she's turning professional, you know, is she you know? I think like it's a little bit different path than a lot of the phenoms. This is not the lydia copath. Right, She's gone and dominated college golf for a couple of years, and we see so many of the young great uh LPGA players turn pro as quick as possible. What are your expectations what do you think Rojang will be as a as a professional player?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's tough to say because I mean, looking at the way she's dominated all levels so far, and the way she's played in her professional starts too. I mean, she's been lowland at majors before and hasn necessarily contended contended to win. But it's just so so difficult because you look at some other recently, maybe not as dominant as Rose, but some really good college players like Colleen Russine Bouchard and Lynn Grant and Jennifer Cupcho and Maria FOSSi. I mean, these were players who won a bunch in college and it's taken them a little bit. I mean, Jennifer Cupcho just got her first major, but it took her a couple a couple of years to kind of get her footing. And I expect a little bit of a transition period for Rose just because it is so different. But I think one thing, you know, she she obviously is is very talented, you know, all the way through the bag, but the one thing that everyone points to is just her mind. And I've just been really impressed. And that's another reason why I would consider her better than Lorena is because Lorena didn't have all the attention, like she didn't have the spotlight like Rose did. I mean the amount of requests for her time, whether it's nil or media or you know, video crews coming to Stanford and spending a few days or a week with her podcast that she's on, all of her sponsors, and even just boosters and people who just want to be around her and and and and talk to her and kind of pick her brain. I mean, she is stretched so thin. I don't know how she does it. And I mean she never says no too. I mean, I mean, heck. I mean, she had such a busy week this week, and she's taken time to you know, talk to random people, and even yesterday after what I would assume her, you know, would be her final round of college golf. I think the expectation is that, you know, she's done after these two years. I think she's going to make the announcement pretty soon whether or not she's going to come back or not. But she went up to Steve Perkowski because they share a birthday, which happens to be today, so happy birthday both Rose and burcoh and she she wished him a happy birthday and gave him a hug. I mean, most people would have been upset and not really wanted to talk to anyone, but she's just I don't know how she does it. And another really impressive story about Rose that Anne Walker told me a couple of days ago is that Rose is on a text change for her church at Stanford. I don't know if it's a if it's like an affiliated campus church or maybe off campus, but she's on a text thread to where students who don't have rides to church, like you know, they say, hey, I need a ride, and then Rose or whoever goes and picks them up. So not only does she practice until the sun goes down, she gives people rides to church too. So I mean she's just one of a kind. I mean, I think it's almost just kind of you know, stand there and kind of pinch yourself these last few days, just knowing that you're really watching probably one of the greatest moments in college golf history with her winning another and c double a title. I thought that was really cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and dramatic fashion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she came from behind easy. She rarely doesn't. I mean I think she's only come from behind twice this year now, and in her college tournaments. I mean, she usually puts it on cruise control. But I mean great golf translates no matter if you're two ahead or two I love.

00:36:07
Speaker 2: I love how you're like, yeah, she only came behind, came from behind twice, and it's like, oh, so eight she won eight times and ten events, hey ten? Two of them two of the two of the ten were coming from behind, but the other the other six wins she just had on cruise control.

00:36:26
Speaker 3: She did, but she almost gave it back at Augusta Nationals. So I would I would argue that that was almost more stressful than to come from behind win because you have that big lead and if you give it up, I mean, that's all anyone's ever talking about. So Luckily Rose is built up enough in the you know, in the tank of you know, we're we're not going to call her a choke artist after one loss. So I mean maybe some people would, but I won't.

00:36:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a little harsh and a game is cruel as golf to do that. Let's transition. The men's men's tournament will be kicked off this week, through the weekend and into next week. What what are the big stories. Let's just if you were going to pick out three stories from the men's game. Uh, and and college golf with teams that are at the NCAAs, what would they be?

00:37:14
Speaker 3: I think number one is Vanderbilt in North Carolina. I mean, these are two teams that started the year one A, one B just in terms of projecting who is going to win it all, and for the most part, they've they've backed it up. I mean, Vanderbilt store ranked number one. Uh, North Carolina ranked right behind them and golf stats, so I mean there's there's been some bumps and stuff and uh, you know, for for both these teams, but I mean they they enter playing pretty good golf. Now, neither one a regional, but I would say top to bottom, you look at just the amount of talent on these squads and it's it's pretty impressive. I think that's that's the main storyline. Certainly, Arizona State be the last year at Greyhawk. I mean, it's hard to believe that we've been here for three years now, so this is it's a lot of pressure, I mean, and they're not going to want to admit that, but there's a lot of people here in the scott still in this Greater Phoenix area that are really counting on them to finally get the job done, so I think that's one of them. And then the player the Player of the Year race. I mean it's really close. We just saw Ludvig Aberg win the Hogan Award and Gordon Sergeant probably right behind him. In my book, Gordon's got three wins, Ludwig's got four. One of Gordon's wins is an eighteen hole stroke play event at the East Late Cup, so I would give the edge to Ludwig. But if Gordon goes out and Defense is in c double A title on Monday, there's gonna be a lot of people who are going to vote for Gordon, So that's probably the third. And then there's so many just ancillary storylines from from Texas only having one player back from last year's national title team, Travis Dick, not traveling, struggling with his game, UH, Florida really good top three with Ricky Castillio, Yushin Lynn and fred Byondi. There's there's probably i'd say a dozen, maybe fifteen teams that you wouldn't be surprised. And then I didn't even mention you're a linea Andy. I mean this is probably I've been patient, be on your toes. You know it's it's uh, this might be Mike Smallest best team. And I know it's hard to believe, you know when you look at some of the squads where Nick Cardy and Dylan Meyer were like the four and five players, it's freshmen, But this might be his best team just in terms of how they stack up with with the rest of college golf because some of those Peters teams and stuff they had to deal with, you know, j T and Alabama and Bobby Wyatt, Corey Witstt in Alabama. So you know, this this might be the year. And I think Mike Small and not to go full full Ben Crenshaw, but I think Mike Small has a pretty good feeling about this one.

00:40:03
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just saw Adrian Dumont de Schardt just moved up to number two in PG two or you which is crazy.

00:40:12
Speaker 3: Greasers coming back. That's one we had like six seniors come back, Greaser and Brian Stark and Dylan Minetti.

00:40:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, so he's up to number two. That's great for for his his game at the next level. But I think the thing that this team has that is shared with the the you alluded to it was the Danielson d Tree, Hardy, Dylan Meyer. Team of Illinois's depth, and I think that's the most important thing in this tournament is having five guys that can legitimately go play, especially when you get to the match play, because that's where you know if you have a couple squeaky wheels. It's really hard to win these best of five matches with with with three really good players and two question marks, because you know you're playing you're playing off against these teams that have all these teams have great players. I think that's the one of the interesting things, you know, in terms of the players the individuals, I think a big aspect of why there should be more interest in college golf is just how quickly these guys are having an impact. You hit on. Gordon Sergeant, obviously, he was a big story at the Masters. Everybody was talking about Gordon Sergeant. Ludvig Aberg, who's a Texas Tech senior, is the Hogan winner, has played well at some professional events, and I you know, will be a PGA Tour card carring member when he turns pro. Who are some other names to watch in terms of players that you expect to see at the next level sometime soon?

00:41:46
Speaker 3: There's there's some good, good freshmen out there. I think when you're projecting maybe three or four years from now, when you talk about Ben James once five times this year at Virginia, Caleb Sarrat, who's played on the PGA Tour a few times this year. I really like this kid, Christian Moss from Texas. He's a South African. He's a an Ernie Els prodigy, if you will, I like to hear. I mean, he's he I think they call him a little easy.

00:42:17
Speaker 2: I really I don't.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's that's as widespread as as it probably should be.

00:42:23
Speaker 2: It might be my favorite player now, he could be.

00:42:26
Speaker 3: I mean, he's had a good year. He's ranked in the top fifteen and in golf stat I mean, he's just another great freshman. And there's a lot I mean, Nick Dunlap's a freshman. There's a lot of really good freshmen. So there's there's there's a ton of you know, I don't really know how to describe it, but there's there's a ton of players who I think are really good college players who probably have a lot to prove, maybe at the next level. Still, and it's so hard to project because you know, you don't know. I mean there's some guys who are layups, like Ludwig is a layup. John Rahm was a layout But you know, I'm I'm the last person to to kind of project talent just by looking at it. But there's a lot of guys who I think could be but you know, the jury's out, you know, like like Preston Summerhayes. I mean, he could easily with that pedigree be a guy who wins five ten times in a PGA tour, and he could be a guy who is on the corn for a tour for a year for a few years, and it takes him a while to get his cards. So you know, there's there's there's some good players. I I like this Crystal guy too. Have you heard of him from from Georgia Tech, Crystal Loamp. He's six ten No, yeah, yes, he's six ten And how far is he hits it? Pretty far? But he also only brings the club back like halfway, like it seems like the club is really a little bit laid off, and he destroys the ball. But he's six ten. So that this Georgia Tech team that so this will be something to watch too. This is probably a more of a shotguns art storyline. Everyone on the Georgia Tech team, with the exception of one player, is six three or taller. You have a you have Christo, who's six', ten.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Tallest tallest team in college.

00:44:13
Speaker 3: Golf they, are and they were really. Tall last year they didn't have a player shorter than than six to. Two so but they GOT i Think Bartley forrester might be six, five which is another which is a great name in college college, golf called The subero because he's a driving. Machine but, yeah they're they could go up against anyone and on the golf course and on the basketball court, apparently so you HAVE i see him at your local gym when you, know because you're you're a big pickup, guy you might see.

00:44:45
Speaker 2: Him he used to. Be i'm afraid of injury at this.

00:44:48
Speaker 3: Point does it matter if you get hurt?

00:44:50
Speaker 2: THOUGH i, mean, YEAH i have to be able to walk from my. Job that's.

00:44:55
Speaker 3: True that's.

00:44:56
Speaker 2: True one name that you know we'd be remiss if we didn't match Is michael Thorpe Jorn. City he almost won A Pga tour event last year and he's in the.

00:45:03
Speaker 3: Field how did we not talk About Thorne bjorn's.

00:45:06
Speaker 2: Son, yeah, yeah so he is he turning? Pro what's the?

00:45:10
Speaker 3: Deal he'll he'll be. Back you. KNOW i THINK Pga tour you has has really kept a lot of guys from maybe jumping after junior, year just and especially now that we have A Pga tour card on the. Line you basically get a year and a half on THE Pga tour and then the top ten guys get some sort of corn for a tour status you get in the final stage OF q school where you can earn MORE Pga tour. CARDS i, mean it's a huge. Carrot AND i think a couple of years, ago when this program first came, out maybe people were a little bit skeptical because, LIKE i, mean is this really going to be that big a. DEAL i think it's a huge. DEAL i mean this IS i, mean we have, coaches you, know calling you, KNOW Pga tour you asking questions like, right like what like what kind of? Tournaments like it doesn't help to play like the toughest tournaments all the, time or does, it you, know help maybe to beat up on a couple you, know smaller tournaments and you, know some smaller, programs and then like coach is asking about, rules like we just had a rule changed mid season to where you don't have to play regionals where as before you had to play regional as your senior, year otherwise you get kicked out of the. Rankings so this Helped Travis vick. Out now he did take last place points to everyone in the. Field he got the minimum three points and added one. Divisor so it did hurt him a little, bit but at least he's still, eligible he's gonna still get His canadian, status and but it's it's a huge, deal and SO i Think, michael it's it's hard to tell with some of the guys coming back Like Austin greaser And Dylan minetti kind of where he's going to slot in and next year's, ranking BUT i would assume he would be one or. Two SO i mean he's he's going to have a huge year to where he could potentially be on THE Pga tour here in about twelve.

00:46:50
Speaker 2: Months combined with the nil it's there's never been a better time to be a college. GOLFER i.

00:46:55
Speaker 3: Imagine, no, No, now is it a good thing or a bad thing for the coaches or the schools or the. FANS i don't. KNOW i, mean it's. Interesting there's there's some parts OF nil THAT i. Like there's some parts THAT i don't. Like AND i think one of the things THAT i do like is that players can market themselves and they can earn. Money and you, know especially in football or, basketball when you, know you're talking about billion dollar, sports and the athletes used to get none of it except for a college, scholarship which still. Valuable but one of the examples is SO i went TO ucf and we had a placekicker about five years ago who had his own YouTube channel and he did trick, shots like kicked long field, goals did all this, stuff and he was making money off of. It and he got declared ineligible to play because he was making much LIKE i think that that was. Ridiculous but the THING i don't like ABOUT nil is that a lot of these schools have these collectives now to where you, know boosters and said of you, know donating to the school and earmarking it for like the journalism department or or the football, team you know in, terms you, know for like a new. Facility now a lot of the donations are going into these collectives and it's essentially just paying players out of the collective and they have them go do tasks like they might go sign autographs or, something but they get that money out of the. Collective so that that PART i don't. Like and then when you mix it with the transfer, portal LIKE i, SAID i there's some parts OF nil THAT i don't, like some parts THAT i do in the transfer portal the same, way LIKE i think kids should be able to if they're not in a good, situation get out of. It BUT i think now we're seeing players, say, oh Like i'm at a mid, major LIKE i had a great Season North carolina Or texas Or, Georgia like what can you offer? Me like Like i'm going to jump into portal And i'm going to go get you, know twenty thousand dollars to twenty five thousand. Dollar SO i there's parts of it THAT i THAT i don't. Like i'm not sure if it's necessarily a good thing, yet BUT i know it's good for the. PLAYERS i, mean, yeah players making thousands of, dollars tens of thousands of dollars for playing college, golf which IS i, think you, know maybe we didn't expect quite that, much BUT i don't, know it's it's still REALLY i mean ask asking me in five.

00:49:22
Speaker 2: Years, YEAH i. THINK i think one of the cool things with golf specific is what you kind of outlined a little bit without that, il but the, Idea LIKE i think one of the fascinating aspects of golf is you you, know player development is so different player to, player and one of the things that happens with with especially you, know going from high school to, college kids, grow different things, happen they figure something out in their, swing they learn how to play golf, better you know in these, times and so so often you end up with these guys that are playing at mid major schools you know in my my, era you, know where they were just as good as the, big big college. Kids but they you, know there was no way you, know if you, transfer you had to sit out a. Year and it gives these people that like really become you, know it allows somebody to become an elite golfer and then get into the elite training programs and you, know facilities and different things that the big schools. Offer because that's the thing THAT i look at, now is like these these facilities that are at college's. Disposal they're flying private like elite college golf is just it's a, crazy crazy place and where it's gone in the last fifteen years is.

00:50:41
Speaker 3: Unfathomable, yeah that's that's a good point about getting. BETTER i, mean we're seeing it. NOW i mean there's there's a kid From Long Beach state And gilligan who is a top fifteen player right now in golf stat playing essentially a mid major, schedule which is super. IMPRESSIVE i mean that's really hard to. Do he's had a great, year he's in the, portal and he's a. Sophomore like he's one of those guys who got a lot better. Now he had to overcome cancer during his high school, career SO i mean that kind of set back his game a little. Bit he was really a top notch kind of middle school junior golfer before. That so he's a great. Story SO i guess at the end of the, day college athletics is all about the, player and it's about making sure that the player has the best. Experience so that's WHY i Think i'm you, know, Overall i'm for the transfer, Portal but at the same, time if you're a mid major. Program what we're seeing right now is they're essentially a farm. System you, know they recruit, players and if they recruit a player who they've identified and, said HEY i can, help this could get a lot. Better and then you you, know devote all this time and effort and energy into doing, that and all of a, sudden the kids, Like i'm gonna go To. Oklahoma you, KNOW i put on eighty, Pounds i'm a burly. Boy Now i'm going to go To norman And i'm Gonna i'm gonna play for for Coach. Hibble but Wasn't wasn't.

00:52:04
Speaker 2: There a kid that went FROM d three to TO d one HIGH d One Vincent? Norman, yeah, right yeah he.

00:52:12
Speaker 3: Went he went FROM i think he was At Georgia. SOUTHWESTERN i think that's a. School but, yeah so he WAS d three and he went To Florida state for a couple of years and teamed up With John pack and it made match play a couple of years ago At, greyhawk and now he's ON i think he might be is he on the p on THE Pga? Tour so, YEAH i mean it could. Happen And i'll tell you WHAT d two golf. Is there's some really good players IN d two. Golf Adam spence and PLAYED d. Two, yeah but there there is SO a couple of years, AGO i did like a story, about you, know kind of turning pro and what it, costs and you, know how guys translate just in terms of what college they played, for what level of college they played, at and how that translates to Official World golf ranking and being a great. Player and at that point in the top one hundred of the Official World golf, ranking out of the guys who went to, college because a lot of them are internationals and stuff and they didn't go to, college but there was only one player who didn't Play division one, golf and that Was Adam. Spenson so, clearly you, know you one would think that you would have to at some point play at A division one institution in the start. Contract contrast between mid major And power five is crazy. TOO i don't have the exact, number BUT i, mean we're talking about seventy eighty percent of the guys who played college in the top one hundred in the world played for A power five. PROGRAM i mean that that tellig just. Something SO i don't know what that, means like, fully BUT i just thought that that was interesting WHEN i did that research a couple of years.

00:53:49
Speaker 2: Ago all, Right, brentley last, question we'll get you out of. Here but what is what's your dream scenario for the men's Men's? Championship what do you want to see play?

00:53:58
Speaker 3: Out, okay we can get really creative. HERE i think my dream scenario is that at least in the individual, competition we have something along the lines Of ludwig And Gordon sergeant in the same group coming down the stretch getting the number, eighteen WHICH i want to hear your thought real quickly on on eighteen at Grey. Hawks so it plays as a par five for the, women plays as a part four for the. MAN i THINK i know where you're going to go with, This but is it really that big a deal or?

00:54:30
Speaker 1: No?

00:54:30
Speaker 2: Now? Right, well if part is just a, number, right is there writing down the? Scores no matter?

00:54:37
Speaker 3: What, right that's, true that's. True but, yeah so THAT'S i.

00:54:39
Speaker 2: Mean and the WAY i remember last year's, playoff like those guys are hitting short irons into it either way because how far they're.

00:54:45
Speaker 3: Hitting oh didn't Didn't Gordon sergeant hit like one ninety two ball speed on that drive in the. Playoff see that that was a really GOOD.

00:54:53
Speaker 2: I mean it Made chris Godder up look short.

00:54:55
Speaker 3: WELL i mean He chris got her up those puts that he missed down the. Stretch otherwise he would have been a part that. Playoff that would mean that's a dream. Scenario what we had last year Was shikara and got her up or not got, well got her up was in there until you missed the shorty at the. Last But, SERGEANT i mean Even Ryan burnett From North, carolina it is like a third Team All american type. Talent so that that was. Cool i'd like to see something along the lines Of sergeant In aburg and maybe throw a four in there individually and then on the team. SIDE i think we got spoiled last year, too and that we had the top eight teams in golf stat who were in the field make match. PLAY i don't know if we're going to get that. AGAIN i think college golf is a little bit, deeper AS i said, before where you have twelve to fifteen. Teams BUT i think everyone's looking For Vandy North carolina at the end one two pretty much all. Year maybe not rankings, wise Because auburn And Texas tech and a couple of other schools have kind of gone in and out of that one and two. Spot but there's there's those two. Bests i'd like to see Maybe texas make a, run kind of keep the defending champion in, there uh with a young, team but again but kind of like the. Women there's so many great possible matchups with great. STORYLINES i know Having illinois in there would be really. Cool Georgia, tech you, know as we, said tall, team that's just.

00:56:27
Speaker 2: Because that'd be good for. Cinematography the disparity and, height that's.

00:56:31
Speaker 3: THAT i like. THAT i love The, ACTUALLY i Think Georgia tech could be at a disadvantage because for for those who have played golf In, scottsdale people always worry about rattlesnakes and things like. THAT i think the most dangerous animal or, insect if you, will is the. Bees there's a lot of bees In. Arizona LIKE i didn't know that that there, Were LIKE i didn't know this was a climate for. Them but there's a lot of, bees and and they're all they're like they. Swarm So Georgia tech With christo and and And, BARTLEY i, mean there's a chance that we could have A b situation and and they're gonna be at that. LEVEL i think that could potentially be a storyline to where Maybe Georgia tech doesn't get it in because you, know they're they're closer to the. SWARM I i think.

00:57:20
Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna have to call it there when we're we're suggesting that taller people have have more be. Problems, brentley thank you for coming. On everybody can read your work at golf channel dot. Com uh and see you ON tv On Golf channel and uh thanks and uh enjoy your time In. Scottsdale avoid the bees and uh we'll talk to you. SOON i will.

00:57:42
Speaker 3: Try i'm gonna go TO cbs right now and get Some did that make bee? Repellent is that a?

00:57:47
Speaker 2: THING i don't think so it could.

00:57:49
Speaker 3: Be oh AND i didn't even think about. This Georgia. Tech they're yellow, jackets so it's not gonna. Matter they're their. Friend they're like that all.

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01:01:00
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? Yeah, SO i MEAN i think at its, core we're an auction house for golf, antiques memorabilia collectibles in. General so anything golf, collectibles whether It's Tiger woods Or Bobby, jones golf history, stuff golf architecture, stuff anything golf collecting, RELATED i would, say is what we.

01:01:17
Speaker 2: Do all, right that's easy to. UNDERSTAND i THINK i always struggle explaining WHAT i. Do but you just did a very good job with with what you do with getting. Started did you have a background in this, so like what prompted you to get started on?

01:01:32
Speaker 1: THIS i always like. COLLECTIBLES i THINK i just had that collecting. Gene my mom was super into, collecting and So i've always, liked Like Michael jordan collected basketball. CARDS i was super into that. Stuff so sort of but like not in an auction, house nothing like. That it was just kind of early days of, internet you. Know two thousand and six is WHEN i started the predecessor, Company so you know that was that was a while of it, us you, Know, facebook and it's it's kind of interesting to see even your trajectory with The Frieda egg and, such because the idea of making money on the internet for a golf, company it just didn't really exist in two thousand and. Six it didn't really exist even for the next decade after. That so it's just kind of wild that it ended up.

01:02:21
Speaker 2: Here, yeah take us. Back you, know first, off you, know non golf, related what was what? Spend like you're kind of like the thing that you cherish most from of your collectibles.

01:02:34
Speaker 1: Non golf related Is Michael jordan basketball. Cards i've got a couple thousand Different Michael jordan basketball. Cards i've got a there are people with larger collections than, me But i've got a very Substantial Michael jordan basketball card. Collection it's.

01:02:46
Speaker 2: Great that's you, know as A chicago and lifelong full span love to hear.

01:02:51
Speaker 1: That you, Know, well you know the best, part you, know back, then you, know people my, age we all Like Michael. Jordan it was you, know nowadays all these kids like specific, players not. Teams, Well Michael, Jordan well that was the o g way of doing. That every kid in my, class Like Michael. Jordan it was very non, original but he was the. Best. Obviously it's.

01:03:08
Speaker 2: Funny at my parents', house we have a you, know remember the stand Of Michael, jordan like, him the figurative cardboard Cutout Michael.

01:03:20
Speaker 1: Jordan, YEAH i had one of.

01:03:21
Speaker 2: Those, yeah it's just sitting in the. Basement my dad's, like is that worth? ANYTHING i went out of eBay AND i saw it was fourth like a couple of hundred.

01:03:28
Speaker 1: Bucks, yeah, yeah couple people love. THEM i had. ONE i definitely threw mine away unless it's in my mom's garage. Somewhere but, YEAH i.

01:03:34
Speaker 2: Might have to try and get that out to. You maybe you'd be the good home home for.

01:03:39
Speaker 1: IT i think it's a little large for my. Collection my basketball cards are great because you can just store them away and my wife doesn't have to.

01:03:45
Speaker 2: Approve, yeah that's a good. Point or you need a shed like me where you could just file everything. Away you could collect, it put it in there and then you know she only sees it if if she if she stumbles in there for.

01:03:59
Speaker 1: SOMETHING i do need a, shed THEN i would actually put A Michael jordan's stand up in my. Shed Probably i'm not gonna.

01:04:03
Speaker 2: Lie so let's talk about two thousand and, Six like What obviously it's a full time job, now but was it not a full time job? Then what were you doing for a living and kind of what got the wheels turning for at the? Time Then Green Jacket.

01:04:22
Speaker 1: Auctions, YEAH i MEAN i. WAS i was in law school at the time WHEN i started, it and then practice law for a few years. After so it was just a complete side. Gig it's just it was a company THAT i want to exist as a, Collector so that's really. It eBay was already on the, scene But eBay is just so buyer, beware so hit or. Missed all the big auction houses didn't care about, golf and SO i just wanted to find cool golf. Stuff and what's the better way than to start a. WEBSITE i had some background and designing websites and, so you, know very rudimentary ones now looking back on, it but that was kind of the. Impetus AND i again like, COLLECTING i also like making, money SO i THOUGHT i, could you, know buy and sell things and make. Money was always good at doing, that and that was. It DID i envision that this would be my like, career you, know seventeen years later or. Whatever, no absolutely. NOT i mean that wasn't really. That that wasn't the. Thing but that's why it, worked, right because it. Was it was a passion. First it wasn't a money making. Project we didn't make money for you, know at least these sizeable amount of money for several, Years so that wasn't WHY i did, it.

01:05:23
Speaker 2: Though how did people find? You when you LIKE i you, know we talk about. Discovery social media is like the king of, discovery, Right my business wouldn't exist without social media in two thousand and. Six how you build a? Website how did anybody find out about the?

01:05:41
Speaker 1: WEBSITE i honestly have no idea other than we didn't need a lot of customers to be you know what we deemed successful at the time our first auction DID i think we did about eighty thousand dollars worth a, business which was like it felt like a million dollars at the.

01:05:55
Speaker 2: Time that's a lot.

01:05:56
Speaker 1: Awesome, YEAH i think we had maybe forty something. Bidders the funny thing, is you look back on, it at least half the bidders are still my customers. Today that's just that's, golf. RIGHT i was given a speech recently for The we Met a, fund AND i made the comment that nobody used to be a. Golfer you're either golfer or you're not a. Golfer like we all have. Friends we've got friends that aren't, golfers or there's friends that are, golfers and so everyone that's into, golf, man they're still in a golf seventeen years. Later so it's a type of business that we. Were we don't lose, customers we just keep slowly gaining some and. Stuff so how they found out about it IS i don't, Know but we just didn't need a lot of customers at the. Time we weren't trying to be a real. Business we were just a, website you, know that was that was a novel concept. Enough there probably also was no. Competition you, know we're the only, thing you, know even remotely similar to what we're doing in two thousand and. Six so you, know if you like golf, stuff your friend sends the. LINK i GUESS i have no.

01:06:47
Speaker 2: Idea WHATEVER i like see a random, bookstore especially a used, Bookstore i'll wander in AND i just go AND i, asked do you have any golf? Books it's like a THING i do in every time BECAUSE i just have this like belief that one Day i'm going to stumble across like an Original George thomas book or like, absolutely you know this is a. Thing but when you were putting together your first you, know what did the first version your first auction look? Like what how did you get the? Things what was what were the big pieces in? It and and how did that whole process go?

01:07:26
Speaker 1: About, yeah SO i OPENED i MEAN i owned a lot of stuff myself because who was going to trust me to sell their? Items? Right LIKE i was a. Nobody eBay back then you could like totally spam, people like you could direct message everyone that was bidding and. Stuff SO i would find golf stuff on direct message. People. eBay of course no longer lets you do, that and SO i would just steal their. Business So, eBay eBay's lack of understanding the The internet and being able to like you, know copy them help me out a lot WHERE i could find people that were buying things And i'm talking about you, know thirty dollars golf flags and things like.

01:07:59
Speaker 2: That and then you can find the people that were bidding on, it messaged them that you had an auction going.

01:08:06
Speaker 1: On, absolutely, Absolutely, Yeah so that probably is a better. Answer earlier one IS i just thole customers from that is really WHAT i. Did so that was that they allowed you to do it back, then and there was no policing of that. Whatsoever so that's probably HOW i got some of my first customers for. Sure and you, know we so we got lucky To we had some really cool Old master's badges in the first auction that no one had really seen, before and they sold for like a few thousand dollars each and again back then that was, like oh my, GOD i can't believe this. Happened it was we realized we had. Something it was, like, oh this is actually like a legit thing, here we can make some.

01:08:41
Speaker 2: Money so you do this first. Auction what year was that you started the business at two thousand and? Six was it two thousand and six or did it take time To, okay two thousand and.

01:08:52
Speaker 1: SIX i think we only did one auction that. Year we probably did one or two the next. Year it was it was literally just assemble, items go find cool stuff that we thought people would like to see and then once we had enough that we THOUGHT i was worthy of an, auction we did put them up for. Auction it was it wasn't, again it wasn't really a business. Yet it was, like let's find some cool stuff and then let's tell everyone about, it, like, hey do you guys want to start bidding on? This and you, KNOW i own most of the stuff early on because you, know, again no one was gonna trust.

01:09:17
Speaker 2: Me how how do you go about with with that? Trust, LIKE i imagine that's got to be one of the big hurdles that you face in this businesses is the idea of. Trust how do you go, about you, know proving? AUTHENTICITY i, LIKE i always wonder, this like how you? KNOW i imagine that that's like one of the chief concerns from people that are bidding is like is this?

01:09:41
Speaker 1: Real? Yeah so that was you, know the early parts of our, company people didn't know WHO i. Was they just learned about this. Company The internet wasn't really trusted at the. TIME i think that this was all Pre facebook. Movie when The facebook movie came, out that changed everything all of a. Sudden being a young entrepreneur was. Cool but WHEN i started AND i was in my, Twenties like that was not. Cool people did not want to be dealing with in twenty something year old over The internet and sending them. Money they just didn't trust. That it's, LIKE i don't THINK i ever lied acting LIKE i was, older BUT i definitely wanted people to THINK i was. OLDER i definitely wanted people to think our company was bigger than it, was because that was just how the internet. Worked it. Was it was like all these kids now that like go to co working spaces and like start a company and everything like that was not cool back. Then like my dad had no idea WHAT i was doing on the. Side he did not pay attention to this website THING i was. Doing so it was just a different. Era and then we just built that trust over. Time you, know you keep doing, it and you keep doing, it and you, know we have just an impeccable reputation in terms of like you, know we always do googled about. Us you're going to learn about if you asked around about, us you can learn that we're. Trustworthy but and then the other thing is when the higher price points you get, to then all of a, sudden everybody that has an item worth less than that trusts. You so the big kind of catapulting forward moment was twenty thirteen when we sold the First Astor's tournament winners green Jacket Horton. Smith when we sold that, jacket you, Know Sports illustrator wrote about it AND espn covered, it things like, that then all of a, sudden everybody trusted us because we were a trusted, brand all of a.

01:11:11
Speaker 2: Sudden that's so that's the big moment when it really exploded and everybody became aware of. It in the lead up to, that what were what were some of the you, know more large, moments like when did you start doing it as a full time gig versus a side.

01:11:30
Speaker 1: Gig, yeah so that's twenty. Ten so we started a company two thousand and. Six twenty, ten we had our first WHAT i would call a good. Auction we probably did a couple hundred and few hundred grand in. Sales we had a green jacket in that, auction and we had The tiger irons that we ended up of course selling again last year for the record. Price but that was the first time we handled, them and that was the first time we got a lot of real great. Publicity so Ten Tiger woods kind of talked some shit about, us and that was the as thing that ever happened to us at the. Time and LIKE i think it was THE tpc The Players championship press. Conference someone asked him about about us and he kind of talked some about, us and it was it was. Awesome it was LIKE tmz covered. It we got a lot of good. Press AND i was practicing law and as soon as that, happened you, know we made a little money That tiger's talking about. Me i'm, like you know, WHAT i Think i'm gonna do this instead of practice. Law SO i kind of on a whim quit shortly. Thereafter didn't tell my parents about. It my dad found from some found out from somebody, else and that's the first TIME i think he was, like all, right what's this website thing you? DO i, know we got a golf, website but tell me about, it like you're going to try to make a career with. This and so, yeah that's that's how that. Moment so thank You tiger for that. Moment what when.

01:12:45
Speaker 2: When he first said, Something how did you find out about it and were you at first was there any worry that it might not be good and then you know or did you just immediately think it was gonna be can you take us back to the, boat like how did you find out about? It and you, know because Obviously tiger would talking about your company is going to you, know you generally be.

01:13:06
Speaker 1: GOOD i THINK i don't think there was a single MOMENT i, mean not thinking it was good because we were selling his. Items they were being signed directly by the vice president of the. Titleist he was mad At tiger for you, know prior to that He tiger left to go To Good nike and he couldn't believe. It and so we stood behind the. Items we knew the items were. Legit the fact That tiger was upset about, IT i just thought it was. COOL i. THINK i THINK i didn't Think tiger would ever know about my my little fledgling. Company so a no part of, ME i think, was you, know worried about The we weren't we weren't established enough to have bad. Press it was just someone's talking about. Us that's a good, thing and uh yeah it.

01:13:45
Speaker 2: Was it was.

01:13:45
Speaker 1: Awesome it was just it was. COOL i, mean you, know people that my dad works with and stuff like that were like seeing articles about. Us it was the first cool moment where, like you, KNOW i cared about, like you, know my old, neighbors like seeing me in the press or something like the time you get pressed is a pretty special.

01:14:02
Speaker 2: Moment so you you alluded to the titleist employee that got you those, irons, Right and obviously it starts out and you're you own most the items and people aren't you, know you're not selling other people's. Items but the only way possible to scale this business would be getting into other people's, collections, Right.

01:14:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely it. Was that probably happened in the first couple of years once we showed that we had a cool thing. Going we we we had a good little core group of buyers and. Stellers and again we didn't try to push. It we were just having one or two auctions a.

01:14:36
Speaker 2: Year did you originally intend, on, like did you know that you know you were going to start to have people coming to you with collections or was this you, know kind of like an unintended, consequence something that you ran into without spect that you didn't really.

01:14:51
Speaker 1: Expect, no that was always the. Intention that was the. INTENTION i just no one would would trust us at first auction auction houses or marketplace are are difficult and they're difficult to replicate because you've got to have this meeting of the buyers and sellers at the exact same. Time everything's. TRANSPARENT a retail store is different because you, know you see these fancy stores in the mall and you don't know what their sales really. Are you walk by it that that you, know fancy. Expensive you, know perse may've been sitting on the shelf for a year and a. Half we don't really know. That auction houses don't have that. Luxury everything is very transparent. There so we just had to gain the trust of the buyers and. Sellers so that's WHY i put up the money first to do, it AND i have a fun doing it. Too i'd probably try to find deals and try to make money on stuff, too but that was not the long term. Goal the long term goal was to be an actual auction house where we took on.

01:15:35
Speaker 2: Consignments how did you find the original? Items what was like the Center so you said the badges were the centerpiece of the Original, like how did you originally find?

01:15:46
Speaker 1: Those, oh the Early internet was like it was like a wild. Place it was it was emailing, people it was, like you, know searching the word. Golf it. Was it. Was it was absolute Wild, west but almost in a good. Way it was a lot of like asking people for things like, oh do you know who collects? This and what about this? Guy and like you you're just asking around a bunch and it was such a small group that it was kind of like the early days Of, twitter, remember where like you knew all the golf. People this was before like Golf twitter was a. Thing but it was, like, YEAH i followed every single person that mentioned golf at all because like that's just who was. Around so that's. It it was just this network effect of like a small, community but you just found out who likes the stuff you.

01:16:23
Speaker 2: DO i imagine a lot of that's kind of out of your life at this.

01:16:27
Speaker 1: Point, yes thankfully it. Is i'm NOT i don't THINK i was any good at that, either but but, yes that that is it. Is it is now almost all incoming and we we we, yeah we don't do that, anymore and thankfully that's the. Case we came up at the right. TIME i think a lot of successful businesses there is a huge love com.

01:16:45
Speaker 2: Filment, obviously Before tiger talked about you. Guys what was the biggest hurdle that you guys had to get.

01:16:51
Speaker 1: OVER i think that just just finding good. STUFF i believe in auctions should be driven by some, good solid items that make you pay. Attention it's not fun to just, have you, know the fifty dollars items every once in a. While you want to have. Those you want to have inexpensive items that all collectors can can. Participate but you need to have those kind of headline definding. Items and that was. HARD i, mean you, know prices of collectibles were not what they are, today so finding like a quality item was just really. Hard and THEN i also had no access at the. TIME i didn't know any, PLAYERS i didn't know any former, PLAYERS i didn't know any, families so we weren't really getting that word of mouth yet or. Anything whereas now that's why everything's incoming is you, know if somebody has a cool, piece someone else is likely to, say, hey you should Contact ryan At Golden, age and so that work has done for. Us we had to do it ourselves back then, manually.

01:17:43
Speaker 2: And really the only competition Was.

01:17:45
Speaker 1: eBay, yeah back, then it Was eBay back in like before my time with the eighties and. Nineties southeby's in the Big Action house is actually a Golf they did it more on an antiques level than a collectibles, level but they did. It they'd gotten out of, it and so that kind of would probably help give me the idea was they used to do. THAT i see all these cool auction, catalogs and they just they got out of. It So eBay was the only thing. There and then in the auctional, WORLD i get a lot of credit for moving to digital only a.

01:18:14
Speaker 4: Catalog, well the truth of that IS i couldn't afford CATALOG i was in. HOSPITAL i Think i'm going to ship catalogs all around the. Country that would take. It, actually like funding for a. COMPANY i just had a little website and so that's all it. Was so we were just early to the internet, there and so that's what you, know helped. Us we just kind of got our feet on the ground.

01:18:31
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01:21:28
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01:21:33
Speaker 2: As as you, grew you, know twenty ten happens like what what are, Like obviously you're you're, Growing you're getting more and more inbound. Stuff what are the things that are also challenging from from that?

01:21:45
Speaker 1: Growth the challenging thing is just it's it's finding new customers and again that the whole marketplace is about that meeting of the powers of filth at the exact same. Time SO i always think as an, auction you're, like you're only as good as your last. Auction you have to keep reinventing. Yourselves it doesn't matter THAT i had a good auction two years, ago four years. Ago so we had, Competitors we had competitors that tried to copy. Us we had big auction houses that try to get into golf and try to take things. Over so all of, that all of that was just there were like definitely some growing. Pains there were times that the, company you, know you were, like what's going to happen? Here how's it gonna how's it going to? Proceed it was, not you, know a straight line by any. Means so it's kind of it's kind of cool that we've we've gotten.

01:22:28
Speaker 2: Here you know in twenty twenty, three when when you started it was just, yourself.

01:22:32
Speaker 1: RIGHT i had a former business, partner my old business, Partner BOB'S, apm was with me for you, know fourteen fifteen. YEARS i bought him out a couple of years.

01:22:39
Speaker 2: Ago uh. Huh and and then when did you start to add people that help you or are you still a?

01:22:45
Speaker 1: Sola we're we're we were super. Small we've got four. Employees we've always tried to be very, lean very. Small i'm a big believer in you, know we try to have you, know the most, revenue most profit as you can possibly have per. EMPLOYEE I i believe in those metrics STRONGER i believe in just having like crazy awesome talent and hiring the absolute, best but not having. PEOPLE i don't like quanity. People i'd like to just worry about profit and making. Money and, so you, know we we haven't tried to grow the fastest because of, That so more of the growth is more organic than just like trying to add top line revenue and stuff like. That so we've been. Small it was just the two of us for for over a. Decade then we added an employee and just in the last couple of years is when When i've made my couple of, key key. Hires, MAN i remember back when when you were hiring like you, Know Wild knight and, stuff and it was, like, man and he's and he's already hiring employees and stuff like that's. All that's. Awesome he's growing this thing and you, know we we we try to keep it.

01:23:40
Speaker 2: Lean, absolutely it's not how did you know when the right time to add people or what it. WAS i think that's like the toughest, Thing like what when did you feel?

01:23:50
Speaker 1: That when you feel overextended, yourself when you feel like you're you're leaving money on the, Table it is the absolute hardest. Thing it's hard from a budgeting standpoint of financing, standpoint but it's just it's. HARD i DON'T i don't THINK i have the answer to win to do. IT i took way too long to do. It we absolutely took too long to.

01:24:07
Speaker 2: Do like you you feel like that every time you hire, someone you feel like it's, like why DID i wait so long to hire this?

01:24:15
Speaker 3: Person?

01:24:16
Speaker 1: Oh, MAN i went we had you, know we'll talk later on about like WHAT covid did this, industry but we just field so many acquisition offers and stuff now and like big big companies and. Everything AND i met with this ONE ceo and he, asked who did our auction? Descriptions this was, like by the, way this was a year. Ago he, asked, like who did our auction? Descriptions AND i SAID i do and he left because he was, like what what do you, mean like to hire somebody to do? That And i'm, LIKE i like to do. Them that's WHAT i. Do and he's, like you do? Them, Okay so, uh, yes we probably should have expanded a little. Earlier but just like bandleen, man what.

01:24:48
Speaker 2: Kind of like you, know it's obviously it's a super unique. JOB i don't want TO i don't want you to take this the wrong, way but, effectively like it feels you're just, like, yeah are you just looking for somebody that's like a? Hustler like what skills are you looking for in? This?

01:25:05
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the tough part is until recently the last couple of few, years people that identify as golf collectors tended to be quite, older tended to be super you, know into history and, older and the younger people weren't into it that. Much that's definitely been changing and that's helped in a big. Way SO i was always looking for this perfect storm of, young, ambitious incredibly intelligent but also loved you, know golf. Collecting that was a true golf. Collectors it's there's definitely you know employees that that doesn't. Matter but my main key, Employee curtis Loop, is he was you, Know Max cooma's sweet mate At cal then went To. Georgetown he's a plus four. Handicap he Was Cleeky hollow's club, president like to club champion two years. Ago. Uh he was the perfect storm of that key. Hire but THEN i also have my sister who's a non, golfer who is OUR gm because she's just an absolute rock star at. That so it's about what role you're hiring. For and AGAIN i believe in just hiring the.

01:26:03
Speaker 2: Best it's NOT i, imagine you, know you you wouldn't want too many golf. Collectors you'd be worried about them getting high on their own.

01:26:09
Speaker 1: Supply you, Know, no you got to geek out of, it you know WHAT i. MEAN i do think that people think it's a sexier job than it, is because at the end of the, day all jobs are jobs and, like you, know you see On instagram me playing you, know some fancy course and. Everything well guess, What, Yeah i'm going to do, that but we still need to ship boxes and take photographs and do the actual. WORK i once put On instagram that that THAT i was, hiring AND i got six hundred and something, responses and it was, like, Okay i'm NOT i can't look at any of. These this is too. MANY i THINK i looked at the first five resumes And i'm Like i'm. Done i'm going to go through like some other way to. Hire so, yeah it's it's you, know, people that's a lot of stress. Too people want to like relocate like for me and. Stuff it was, like, NO i don't really want, that you, Know it's it's. Tough it's a lot of.

01:26:51
Speaker 2: PRESSURE i, YEAH i completely. Agree it's LIKE i think people think my life's a lot more glamorous than it, is and, like, Sure i've got some really nice to my, job but people those same people aren't out there at like four in the morning to shoot photos and video and then then staying till nine thirty to do, that and, like you, know you realize the time between that and it's funny by my cousin who came out to one of one of my trips with. Me wanted to come and and like midway through the first, days, like, man this is this is like not like. RELAXING i was, like, guess it's, work you, know and it's funny.

01:27:30
Speaker 1: Work, yeah you're doing it because of, passion but the work you have to do it and you have to be really into the. Work so, YEAH i, mean, listen finding someone is also passionate about it is. Huge it's, awesome but at the end of the, day it's a. Job they have to want to do the job, too just LIKE i have to continue to want to do the job and still be passionate. About.

01:27:48
Speaker 2: Yeah the THING i think is, like it's the WAY i usually describe it is it's so much, work but it doesn't feel like. Work and that's the nice thing about, it, Right.

01:27:58
Speaker 1: YEAH i would like, again When i've practice, LAW i THOUGHT i liked. IT i was, like, oh, YEAH i like being a lawyer and, stuff and THEN i started doing this for a living AND i, realized a wait a, minute no that. Sucked this is, awesome SO i could work every. Day but, yes there's it's it's it's playing with rare pieces of golf. Collectibles it's flying to meet with somebody and see their, golf and, yes try to take make some time to play some golf as. Well so, listen my wife's a. Physician she has the hardest job THAT i can ever, imagine an ins incredibly serious job and important to the. World AND i get to do WHAT i. Do SO i consider myself, very very. FORTUNATE a bad day for me is like a nasty email from.

01:28:36
Speaker 2: Somebody so you just mentioned like meeting with somebody that's got a. Collection it walk us through a little bit like how that process. Works how does you, KNOW i imagine there are people around the world that have these golf. Collections how do you go about procuring things and you know and and such with? Them how does that relationship kind of start and?

01:28:57
Speaker 1: Work, yeah so my job is really two main. Ways that drives every auction and the items we. Get on the one, hand you have your your big time golf, collectors your great golf, collectors whether they have you, know ten nights of their collection or a thousand nights of, collection whether it's worth you, know a few thousand dollars or a few hundred dollars or whether it's worth millions of. Dollars they're going to drive the entire. Market they're the ones to be buying and. Selling they're going to constantly upgrade their. Collection maybe they get to a certain age and they're retiring and they want to sell their. Collection that is going to drive the. Auction and then the second thing would be just incoming leads that are usually just for a single item or a single category. Items maybe it's a former, golfer maybe it's someone whose dad passed away that had this collection that they didn't even realize and that, stuff and part of that too are the the really great, items The Indiana jones stuff where you're finding these holy, grails stuff that hasn't seen the light of the day in the year for. Years you find these cool old see McDonald items stuff like. That that's that's the great. Stuff and that, stuff a lot of times is just incoming from a cool lead where it's most of that's warrior mouth and that's we're building the brands all about where we're not out there advertising for. That it's all. Incoming somebody tells you about a COOL cb McDonald item where they find these old architectural blueprints or something to some golf course and they want to sell. Them then you're, like, oh you got to contact my Buddy. Ryan so we get a lot of, that and that's the fun. Stuff but you don't know what's. Coming you know what that phone call is going to.

01:30:20
Speaker 2: Entail what's The is there something that stands out in your mind of that, Source like what are maybe one or two of the cool coolest things that you've had come in where you didn't really you had no clue you was coming.

01:30:32
Speaker 1: In, yeah So i'm going to tailor this one to you with. Architecture and this was a woman that reached out to us and she saw that we had sold a replica program to The First masters, tournament and she stands send us pictures because she saw always sold it for a couple hundred, dollars and she sent us pictures when she had a real one from nineteen thirty. Four the First masters was worth about ten fifteen grand and we said that and she, said oh my, god that's. Amazing i've a bunch of other stuff, Too and so we start talking to her and it turns out that she Purchased Perry maxwell's old house AND i believe Was, oklahoma and in that she had a file, cabinet and that file cabinet had this program but all kinds of photographs of his renovation At Augusta national for you, know all these courses that he designed as, well and these are the. Photographs, now the tragic part about, that AND i may have told you this at one point a long time. Ago the tragic part was, she prior to contacting, us threw away what he called lots of golf course. Blueprints and she, said asked how, many and she, said just reams and rams and rings of. Them it was so annoying because they purchased this, house the one that was formerly owned By Perry, maxwell and in the basement where all of these what she called golf course. Blueprints and they were so annoyed that the prior owner left them there because right when they moved, in they had to spend all this time and effort lug them up the, stairs out of the basement and to the road to throw them. Away so she contacted us roughly a week after she did, that and, we, yeah there was no going back. Here they went to the local. Dump they're they're gone. Forever no idea what was in. There but the quality of the rest of the contents of The Perry maxwell collection was. PHENOMENAL i believe it paid for almost the entire purchase price of the.

01:32:24
Speaker 2: House oh my, god. Unbelievable what uh outside of, architecture what's another? One maybe maybe clubs or you, know something something else along those. LINES i you, KNOW i need a second. PROCESS i think that's the thing about those those, plans like they just go and that's how they get. Lost.

01:32:46
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah the my my personal favorite is somebody From, Augusta georgia contacted, us which happens a. Lot you find some really cool stuff In augusta for obvious. Reasons but this person had and they just they found it somewhere, RANDOM i don't remember where it. Was it was relatively and significant and they Found President eisenhower's old golf bag and you, know the first, contact you were, like is it really or is it some commemorative or. Something, no it had it had the five stars for the Five Star general on there that the clubs all had his name on. It the head covers were Old Augusta national head. Covers there were like te's and balls and there the balls had had ike on. Them, yeah mister president on the. Ball it was. Insane it was literally like he just left his golf bag like one day or gave it to. SOMEBODY i mean it had all the, stuff so it was like he used it. Yesterday it. Was it was. Awesome and then the cool part about that was THE usga bought it and it's in THE Usga museum right.

01:33:42
Speaker 2: Now that's that's that's. Neat so do you you that one was sold as the entire? Package?

01:33:49
Speaker 1: Correct, ACTUALLY i think we took there was an EXTRA Augusta national headcover that we sold, separately AND i WISH i bought it because it's so cool and you know those old driver head covers like could barely fit an iron. Today it was, like you, know, tiny and and it was just it was. AWESOME i.

01:34:03
Speaker 2: Imagine That's that's gotta be a hard thing as a collector, yourself like what are are there some pieces that you've purchased yourself off of? It like what's what's the one or two that you yourself have been like this is too? Cool i'm. Keeping.

01:34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah the good thing is THAT i kind of feel a sense of ownership WHEN i sell the. Items when it passes through my. Hands SO i don't constantly feel LIKE i have to buy every cool. THING i do like putting it in new people's. HANDS i do like it when things end up at you, know the golf course would originated or or you, know something like, that or just just a really great collection, collectors you, know personal. Collection SO i don't feel LIKE i have to buy. Everything BUT i like. PHOTOGRAPHY i like old. PHOTOGRAPHY i like Old Tom, MORRIS i Like Bobby. Jones BUT i like old, photography which is interesting because it's one of the hottest segments all of a, sudden just the last couple of, years photography's gotten.

01:34:51
Speaker 2: Hot and that's good for somebody who takes. Photos you, know maybe, someday someday my photos will be more.

01:34:58
Speaker 1: Something, EXACTLY i wouldn't be surprised.

01:35:02
Speaker 2: The uh so tiger retches you and this thing starts to take. Off you know it's you, said twenty ten is when that, happened and we're twelve years. Later what have been some of the big milestones along the.

01:35:17
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah so then twenty, thirteen when we sold that green jacket for the record, price it was six hundred and eighty two, grand and so that was, like that WAS i don't think we'd sold something for over one hundred grand or barely over. It and so, yeah it's, funny best own record by five or six.

01:35:32
Speaker 2: X it's amazing how that. Happens it's like you feel like you have the. CEILING i feel, like you, know you always have the. Ceiling it's Like i'm never going to get over. That and then it just like when it goes over, it it goes miles over.

01:35:47
Speaker 1: It and that's that's the way collectibles has always. Worked and so that, was you, KNOW i don't THINK i even realized at the, time LIKE i knew that it was good for business and all that, Stuff but RECENTLY i went back and looked at our numbers and it was just shocking how odd it. Was we just sold more items, Afterwards we had more, bidders, afterwards we had more, customers we had more page. Views everything went up from that moment. On it was just like it was just kind of this awakening moment to a lot of. People and then you, know we kind of just then slowly grew the company for several years and then the big the big move forward was for us kind of a double whammy OF covid was massive for all, alternative vast, sets all. COLLECTIBLES i don't care if he collected comic books or classic, cars they probably doubled or tripled in. Value SO covid was huge for. Us and then the other thing was you know us selling The Tiger irons last.

01:36:35
Speaker 2: Year just, yeah for a second. Time it was it.

01:36:38
Speaker 1: Was life changing for a second. Time, yes the first time we sold him for fifty seven, grand and then and then last year we sold them the same set for five point one five, Million so that changed.

01:36:49
Speaker 2: EVERYTHING i, mean that first buyer is pretty.

01:36:51
Speaker 1: Smart the first the first buyer did, great and all the money went to his. Foundation by the, way he didn't even keep the money himself to profit. It that Was i'd been trying to get them back for. YEARS i knew they would do. WELL i didn't know they would do that. Well But i've been trying to get him back for, years AND i had the pitch. WRONG i was pitching him on. MONEY i didn't know the buyer that. Well just kept in contact with him AND i would ask for, him AND i was telling him how much MONEY i could get for him and how much profit he could. Make and it turns. Out he didn't care about that at. All and so WHEN i changed the pitch to the golf world needs to see these, again this is the right, time this is the right. Place let me do. This the golf, world the collecting world needs to see these tiger. Irons and WHEN i gave him that, pitch he, said, okay come get. Them so that was that was. Special and then of course what happened was it EXCEEDED i mean everyone's, expectations it, was and it just just changed the, direct you, know the direction of my entire company and really our entire. Industry.

01:37:49
Speaker 2: Yeah how this is an ASPECT i never really thought, of but, like how do you persuade people to sell?

01:37:56
Speaker 1: THINGS i, mean it depends on what their motivation. Is most people it's, money but that it's not always the. Case like, AGAIN i had that one wrong BECAUSE i thought the motivation would be. Money it usually. Is and so that's the good thing about a rising market is you get to pitch people pretty easily and, say, hey remember that thing that you bought a few years, ago or remember that THING i saw in your house WHEN i was touring, It like it's worth a lot. More now do you want to sell so that's the only kind of kind of outgoing kind of PITCH i, make is, like, HEY i, know you've got this cool, item like you should probably sell that. Now and so that's the great part about what's happened the last couple of. Years as prices have gone, up it's a little. Counterintuitive as prices have gone, up more people are. Interested and it's that phenomenon where if baseball cards are only worth fifty cents, each only the people that really geek out at baseball cards are going to collect. Them but when they start being worth thousands and tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of, dollars, well then all kinds of money comes in and seen as like an. Asset and so collectibles have become you, know semi legitimate assets over the last few, years and that has helped things.

01:38:56
Speaker 2: Tremendously what how's the like kind of you're saying your, auctions how have they grown in terms of?

01:39:04
Speaker 1: Items so we basically grew just the quantity of. Items we liked the auction to be a special. Event SO i don't want to have an auction every week or every month or. ANYTHING i want them to be a special event where most people don't even know when we're going to have them with senditing them, out and it becomes a really fun thing to, see you, know what we have up for. Auction we have twenty five dollars, items and we've got twenty five thousand dollars, items and just mix it up and you never know what's going to. Be and we started to have these big. Auctions we'd have over a thousand items in one, auction and we still do a little bit of, that but we've also just moved into new categories where we've tried. To we never really got into golf clubs at, all unless Again tiger used the clubs and then more recently been getting into some more vintage. Clubs but then Also Scottie cameron's And i've just been shocked by how Rabid Scotty cameron collectors, are and so that's been a fun thing to move into as, well and just kind of move into some new categories like, that The putter.

01:39:50
Speaker 2: Collection putter, COLLECTORS i, mean they're. CRAZY i REMEMBER i knew a guy THAT i think he owned like almost every model of bet Already, putter and it's just like it's just, nuts you, Know it's like you know. It it is. Cool LIKE i have a bunch of. PUTTERS i got to get them fixed. Up but like ANYTIME i see like A Scottie cameron at like a garage sale or a rubbage, SALE i just buy it because it's going to be you, KNOW i know it's gonna be worth something, more you, know especially a lot of. Them that's how you can FIND i, mean it's interesting like the things that you can find. Value and what would you, say is like the been the fastest growing aspect of collecting for.

01:40:31
Speaker 1: Us It's Scottie, cameron's but The scotty Cameron they've been around buying to selling. Them it's just it wasn't big for. Us and so that's you, know we went from doing you, know virtually No Scotty camerons a couple of years ago to you, know probably sell a couple of million dollars worth this, year all, secondary all just. Resale and so that's that's been just our growth and that's been a, hot hot. Market and the other thing is just all this modern is WHAT i call the modern collector. Stuff you've seen how baseball cards are encapsulated by the COMPANY p S a and, others all of that stuff's been really hot where you, know it's whether it's Tiger wood's cards or whether it's they they'll, capitulate, photography they'll caps. Tickets tickets have been hot With masters badges and tickets To tiger victories and Old Bobby jones. Tournaments tickets have been just torching. Hot that's been. Shocking so a lot of it's, that and Then Tiger. Woods Tiger woods has just you, know he's always been, popular but, recently especially after the twenty Nineteen, masters he's kind of become his own collecting category where you, know before people Like tiger but now they, realize wait a, minute this stuff is going to be valuable for years and years to, come in decades to, come and it makes. Sense everyone's already Collecting Michael jordan And Tom brady And Muhammad ali And Mickey, mantle But Tiger wood stuff was just at a fraction at the price of, those and so that's been the big. CHANGE i, mean you've probably seen some of the headlines where A tiger backup put ourselves for a couple hundred or few hundred thousand. Dollars there's just not a lot of Tiger woods quality pieces out. There So tiger has been just incredibly hot ever since the twenty.

01:41:59
Speaker 2: Nineteen, yeah AND i imagine That tiger pieces are just so, rare, right especially a good, piece not like just an autograph photo or something like something very. Significant LIKE i can't imagine there's like game worn jerseys out, there like there are less sports where you, know you got basically a new jersey every every every time they, play, Right it's not LIKE i don't know there maybe it is out, there like you could get some like you, know major Worn tigers, gear you, know like a, shirt.

01:42:31
Speaker 1: So you actually just nailed something. THERE i think one of the next big records that will happen will be if somebody has one Of tiger's red shirts from a master's victory any major would be, great, Right but like if someone has AND i have sold some of his red shirts, BEFORE i have sold one of the twenty Ten masters which you FINISHED t. Four but if someone has A tiger red shirt from like the Five masters or Nineteen, masters oh my, lord that would, yes that would it? Would it would sell for well over a million dollars if we're talking. Millions and that is the next piece THAT i want someone to find for, me is A tiger to use red? SHIRT i don't. Know i've actually never asked where A tiger still has. Them but this is my new mission to figure out where Are tiger's red? Shirts did he even keep the ninety seven? ONE i bet that's long, gone you, KNOW i don't, know but that is those will set. Records there's A Michael Jordan ors that sold for ten million dollars, Recently so A tiger red. Shirt, yeah, man that's the next THING i need to find.

01:43:31
Speaker 2: With WITH i assume the way it works is you just have kind of like a commission fee on all the, pieces, right and it's you, know if it sells for, more it's good for the. Buyer it's not like a flat thing right where it's you, know this is What i'm purchasing for and going. Up that's how it, works.

01:43:48
Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah we try not to. Own we try not to ever own the. Items Then i'd have to keep a couple million dollars with the, inventory and that's no fun inventory. Stuff yeah, no, no so we we we take. It we take a. Cut there's a We we often have traditionally charged the buyer's premium for the buyer and a seller fee or consignment from the.

01:44:07
Speaker 2: Seller so you guys had to go undergo a name. CHANGE i imagined that probably was kind of a scary, situation and IF i had to had to change my, NAME i would be a little worried about it versus like choosing to change my. Name is that one of the bigger hurdles that has come about through the.

01:44:28
Speaker 1: Business it was a psychological hurdle in that you, had like you, said you had to get used to the idea of are we really going to do this and change our. Name it was aided by the fact, that you, know we we were given an, opportunity a situation that was like too good to pass, Up so there was no real debate as to whether we would change. It it was an obvious, like, okay guess we're going to change our. Name this is this is a kind of a sweet deal we've got in front of us. Here so and we had time to CHANGE i had a couple of years have, CHANGED i think or. Something but the stress of picking out a new, name of trying to tell people we had a new, name of worrying about that stuff people you, know not recognizing our name that we you, know built up this good will and everything that was, stressful and now looking back on, it was the best thing could ever happened to. Us it coincided with us growing the, company becoming this kind of new brand that wasn't directly, associated you, know with The master termin or anything like that or specific genre of collecting even and that ended up being. Great the timing ended up being. Great but, yeah, MAN i, WAS i. WAS i was super stressed about, it just trying to pick a. NAME i, mean even down TO i sent my lawyers a lift of Twelve, NO i sent my lawyers a list of twelve possible, names and they did a bunch of research and stuff and came back and like gave me two. Options they nxed ten of. Them so, yeah it's it's it's it's difficult to to to pull. Off but now looking back on, IT i, mean it was. Awesome but everything while you're going through it right seems like it's it's it's so, Difficult but looking back on, it, like, yeah it, was it was.

01:46:11
Speaker 2: Awesome so you went from green jacket auctions To Golden age, auctions and in the sense what you're talking about is like you, know green jacket jacket auctions would connote auction items about The, masters when that was just that's a fraction of what you were doing.

01:46:29
Speaker 1: Correct and in the areas we wanted to grow, too it kind of pigeonholed. Us so it was one of those things, like you, Know i'd always thought about changing the, name but, then like a, couple you, know a few years go by and you're, like, WELL i Guess i'm not doing it now because we just got a bunch of press and you, know so, yeah, Absolutely i'm now so thrilled that we. Did i'm actually glad that our hand got forced a little bit to change it because it worked.

01:46:52
Speaker 2: Out so we talked about The tiger, shirts AND i wanted to just kind of talk a little bit about like what's the, Next like what are the? Goals what are the pieces that you are kind of your white, whale and what are the goals of where you want this to go to over the next you, know you've been at it now for almost twenty, Years like where do you want it to go and what are the what are the goals of the next big?

01:47:14
Speaker 1: Pieces, YEAH i, MEAN i think the main criticism that we have from our customers is we don't do. Enough we don't sell, enough we don't have enough, auctions we don't get enough collectibles in people's, hands so we should probably do. More we've got this a robust mailing list That i've obviously been growing for seventeen, years AND i need to sell more to. People so we're finally having more auctions and doing more categories, too so that you, know, again so we can Sell scotty camera, putter so that we can sell you, know these golf cards and things like that that we weren't really doing. Before so that's been a fun part of the. Transition and Then i've GOT i, actually other than then finding one Of tiger's red massive, SHIRTS i had one main white whale one grail THAT i can announce it BECAUSE i haven't told you about this, yet but the contract is. Signed and SO i wanted a, painting the most famous modern golf. PAINTING i thought it was. UNATTAINABLE i don't know why anybody would trust me to sell. It it seems mind boggling to. Me but later on this year we'll be Selling Andy warhol's painting Of Jack, nicholas which is my actually dream to have it is it, Is it is absolutely. Insane the it's from The athlete, series of which you've probably seen The muhammad a lead painting and others That warhol. Did The muhammad Al lee sold it auction FOR i think fifteen point eight million. Dollars and so we've got The Jack nicholas. Painting it's it's it's it's. Remarkable he painted in the late nineteen. Seventies but the, painting the painting is in green and. Yellow it, like it evokes like eighty Six masters to, me despite the fact it was done like seven years prior to the eighty Six. Masters it is so awesome and everything about it's. Awesome Like Andy warhol showed up to a hotel In, Columbus ohio Because Jack nicklyst didn't want to come to his. House he didn't know who he, was, apparently And Andy warhol showed up and did not have paint with, him or a paintbrush or an easel or however you do. Paintings he showed up with the polaroid, camera like a twenty dollars polaroid, camera And Jack nicholas was, like what the hell is going? On And Andy warhol proceeded to take like eighty something photos Of Jack nicholas in a hotel. Room he wanted a golf club For Jack nicholas to pose, with And jack didn't bring his golf, clubs so they had to go around and find a golf club For jack to pose. With and Then Andy warhol was destructing how to pose with, it and it was calling it his? Stick can you move your stick over? Here And Jack nicholas was like so. Frustrated and so that painting is part of The athlete series we're going to put up for, auction and it's just been my personal. Grail you. Know WHEN i think Of Andy, WARREL i think As sudeby's And christie's in the great auction, houses and the fact that you, know we get to put this auction is just, like, honestly it's the coolest Thing i've ever. DONE i JUST i can't wait for. It WHEN i was making the pitch for this and try and like to talk to my, WIFE i couldn't. SLEEP i, WAS i, WAS i. WAS i was an absolute. MESS i was my absolute, goal life goal was to get this, painting and uh, yeah the fact that we're getting, it it's just it's the coolest thing ever man to have a company that like you just start on like a whim an idea and then to be dealing With Andy warhol painting is it's.

01:50:20
Speaker 2: Just the coolest, WELL i mean it's it's a wonderful place to kind of. Stop but you, know from that, sense like when you get, there you've transcended your small little niche auction, house, Right like that's the you, know it's you, know when you transcend your little corner and are at a, bigger bigger, scale you, know that's, uh it's unbelievable because that's a piece that any auction house in the world would.

01:50:45
Speaker 1: Want, yeah the, fact you, know the the the interesting thing there was again LIKE i told the, OWNERS i was, like, yeah you. Should they're going to talk To christie's and so otherbies AND i was, like you, should you absolutely. Should AND i was, like but let me make a quick little pitch and and then you KNOW i. DID i made that, pitch not on that, meeting but like a few days, later and AGAIN i was a METH i couldn't sleep because of. It and my pitch was very, simple and that if you think it's going to sell to An Andy warhol, collector by all, means give it To christie's Or. SOTHEBY'S i think it's going to sell the. GOLFER i think it's going to go to someone that loves, golf and those are my customers And Andy warhol. Collector maybe it's one of the Worst Andy warhol that's out. THERE i don't, know but in the golf, world this thing is. Special, yeah you, got you Gotta it's, like you gotta trust me on. That and they right on the spot were, LIKE i think you're.

01:51:38
Speaker 2: RIGHT i think that's that's super. COOL i mean it makes, sense right because there's the The Andy warhol collectors are all going to have an opinion on the. Piece. Right But Andy warhol didn't paint golf except for.

01:51:51
Speaker 1: This exactly, Exactly, yeah he only Did Jack. Nicholas so, yeah, man that's that's the exciting. One we're gonna do a special event surrounding. It And i'm JUST i can't wait.

01:52:03
Speaker 2: For somebody that, say somebody that doesn't collect and let's just let's just curtail this to, somebody, young young professional wants to get into. Collecting what are the smartest things to you know that you looking at it as an, asset, right what are what are the things that you would look at that might accrue value over.

01:52:25
Speaker 1: Time, well the number one thing is to focus first on what you absolutely. Love don't buy something purely as an, investment you, know unless you just admit yourself with, this that's what it. Is don't lie to yourself and collect an area that you're really not that fond, of because at the end of the day it is. Not we don't. Know and so collect what you love.

01:52:45
Speaker 2: First so, like if you're, so if you're into golf, architecture collect golf. Architecture if you're into clubs, somewhat get into. Clubs if you're into, books yes you, know, YEAH.

01:52:55
Speaker 1: I WANT i want no say in what you collect until you tell me what you're, passionate what you. Like once you tell me like golf, architecture, okay NOW i can tell you what within that would be a good. Investment but don't just look for the best. INVESTMENT i don't think that's ever fun to. Do that's not what collecting's about unless you're like really good at that and like a speculative way in like A Wall street type. Way so find out what you love and then within that find your. Passion and then my main main comment there is to buy the best and to focus on just a single item or a couple. Items don't buy. Quantity people are always starting off by buying. Quantity they just buy golf stuff left and, right and they buy this for fifty dollars and that for eighty dollars because it's it's because whatever your price point, IS i don't care if three hundred dollars feels like a lot of money or three thousand dollars feels like a lot of. Money you're better off buying one item for the most that you really want to spend and saving up for that one, item seeking out that one. Item so instead of buying a whole bunch of forty dollars golf books and calling yourself a, collector, no save up your money and spend eight hundred bucks on THE cv McDonald, book because guess, WHAT i know you feel like you spent eight hundred bucks or twelve hundred dollars lot of, Money but it's still gonna be worth, that if not, more a year or two from. Now you're just going to get to own it and it's probably going to accidentally appreciate. Value whereas your forty dollars books you can't sell it for forty dollars buy the best buy good. Items, yeah that's the main. Thing it's.

01:54:14
Speaker 2: Funny it is like kind of, crazy LIKE i you, know The bamberger to the Links land that was a book three years ago you could buy for seven dollars On, Amazon and NOW i went on. THERE i THINK i bet you. DID i THINK dj mention it on a note like, podcast but like now you go on there and it's, like, OH i can't buy this for less than like eighty, Dollars like what's going? On, LIKE i, mean this is a it's a fascinating thing about the, collecting and especially in the space of, golf where you have these really cool things that like you don't know when they're going to pop and you don't know like how how that's going to. Work but like you, know THE i think the general idea is it's not going to be, worthless, right?

01:54:59
Speaker 1: Correct and that's What and so the interesting thing is that WHENEVER i like playing golf with somebody AND i just meet them and they're, like what do you? Do and they find out and you know if a lot of times people will say, like, Oh i'm not really a, collector but, Here i'm playing this nice golf maybe on a top one hundred golf course with, Them AND i, say, no, NO i know you're not a, collector but you, KNOW i see you got, this you, know headcover From marianne and you got a shirt From wingfoot and stuff like. That like you, know would you do you ever buy a club history book when you're At riviera or Marionn oh, yeah, yeah buy those? Books like, okay well we sell. Those would you like a Marian wicker basket in the corner of your? Office oh, yeah that'd be. Sick, okay, yeah we sell that. Too would you ever put A Jack nicholas Signed master's flag on your? Wall? Oh, Yeah in, FACT i want to buy one for my. Dad, okay, Yeah, well SO i know you're not a golf, collector but you love. Golf that that's what we. Sell, like trust, ME i have the golf. Collectors they already know who we. Are it's just when we have the golfers that find out about us and look at the, website you're going to find stuff that you. Like.

01:55:57
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean the last time you guys had an, AUCTION i perused AND i was, LIKE i like a lot of these, things but you, know IT'S i was, LIKE i shouldn't buy any of these things right. Now so But, RYAN i appreciate you coming. ON i bet me to have this conversation for a long time and really admire your entrepreneurial.

01:56:17
Speaker 1: Story, NO i mean this is. Awesome. Man we've known each other for a. While it was cool seeing you come onto the. SCENE i knew that you guys were going to be a big success with the no laying up To it was just cool seeing LIKE i got it when you guys started what you were. Doing it was so obvious to me that this was the future of kind of golf media and stuff like. That it was so cool to watch your trajectory and. Everything and it's, man it's been fun a.

01:56:38
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