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Speaker 2: So how was the How was the Turkey Day holiday? Did you dive into some bird?

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Speaker 4: I did? I did twice down.

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Speaker 7: In fact, we did it earlier in the week because we would be running around, chasing around watching my daughter sit the bench for Oregon and yeah, and then then we're going to turn back around and have some leftovers with men man on the bench on Saturday. So this has just been a it's just been it's been a bench tour for me. But it's all about the support. It's not about the playing time, it's about the support. So yeah, so there's that in between the traveling. We've done the Thanksgiving meals so that we could kind of all sit down. Man came in from from State College last night for a few hours to get some food and get some family time.

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Speaker 4: So that was pretty cool. It was cool. It's it's been a good, good holiday.

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Speaker 2: What about yourself, Well, yeah, we just you don't hung out with the in laws kind of uh, you know, just stuffed our face a little bit, and that was.

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Speaker 4: That I eat what was on the menu. You know, did y'all jump into bird?

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Speaker 2: Yeah we did the bird? Did some ham?

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Speaker 4: Did did I do some pig? Already answered it's pig, isn't it? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but you know, it's a little bit. I think you were trying to say that.

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Speaker 4: What are you trying to say.

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Speaker 2: An actual pig sitting on the table that we've got to like, you know, like sift through Like no, no, that's every other day of the year. Mexican culture they do it different, you know, from time to time.

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Speaker 7: But I know, I know the Italians don't make it through all of the you know, all of the courses of meals before they get to the turkey, and then they're full before the turkey. Not my words as Dean Blandino saying that, So yeah, I don't know. I just figure you would say that plow through too many Tamali's or something.

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Speaker 2: The food is fantastic. The food was fantastic. But I was shocked because it did feel like a home game. I'm looking around going.

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Speaker 4: Where's the uh, where's the sauce?

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Speaker 2: Was like, what's the hey, Sarah.

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Speaker 4: Where's the tortilla?

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Speaker 2: Maker. That thing's always a minute.

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Speaker 4: Mac and cheese.

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Speaker 6: Wait a second, wait and you guys, can you guys call mac and cheese too?

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Speaker 4: Damn all these yees. No, you did it right there. No you did not. I appreciated news.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'll be half of my family yours totally. So yeah, it felt like it felt yellow growing up sweet. But it is to Molly season. So that'll that'll start, uh, is upon us. Yeah, it'll start. It'll they'll start throwing it down here pretty quick. So so there's that. Hey, I was thinking about something watching the uh, the game just starting, you know, backwards, uh, from the last game to the early game.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the.

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Speaker 2: Bengals and the Ravens, and then.

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Speaker 4: Something occurred to me and I what was it?

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Speaker 2: You and I on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, which you can hear before the Dan Patrick Show weekday mornings here on Fox Sports Radio. You and I we both had the Ravens going to the Super Bowl, and it occurred to me last night watching that game. They kind of stink. They're really not They just got very good.

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Speaker 4: They're not good anymore. What happened, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: We just talked about there shouldn't be enough defense in the world for for Sincey to be able to win in Baltimore against that offense. Not enough defense in the world, let alone Cincinnati to go in there and do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, there you go.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's it's the Joe Burrow effect though, like he's like everybody's kryptonite, you know, That's what it is.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is and look, I don't know that Joe Burrow. Look, obviously it doesn't help their defense, and that's really been the problem for Cincinnati's We've laid out on our show that Joe Flacco's played well, like it wasn't like he was struggling while he was in there.

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Speaker 7: But it's not Joe Burrow and the Joe Burrow impact the effect. Yes, yes, that's a real thing. Okay, let me ask you this, if you were if you were going into a game with I don't know, just say, it's a really good ball player that's backing up Kobe Bryant or a really really good ballplayer that's backing up Michael Jordan, and you go into the game knowing that mj or Kobe is out of the game. Do you feel the same way, Do you have the same type of confidence level that you would if and maybe you don't know this, I don't know. Maybe you got to be an athlete to know. But you can assume, right, assume you can assume what.

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Speaker 2: What am I going to be frager? But point taking? Here's the point, point taking.

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Speaker 7: But here's the point, right, all seriousness, You're going to have more confidence when you have your best player on on the field, and especially at the main position. If you have your guy at his position. They know Joe Burrow as the guy that took them to the super Bowl. They know Joe Burrow is the guy that should be a league MVP probably last year, if not for you know, the heroics of you know, other guys, which I mean it is what it is, all right, but that that does have a positive, profound impact on the rest of your team when you have uh, the guy like you know, Lat's back, Lat's back, like you know what I mean, it definitely does have an impact. And clearly that's a thing because they lose games. They what, they've only won one game without Joe Burrow. When Joe Burrows out, they've won like one game, one or two games. I believe it's one. So I mean, it's a real thing. And that was believe it.

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Speaker 2: And that was one of the storylines going into the year for Zach Taylor. And then was the starts to the season, because that's that had always been an issue. They would get off to these poor starts. Their record in September was awful, and they didn't be scrambling in this mad dash to try and make the postseason like they were last year. And that's why they've missed a couple of years in a row. That in his health and so this year, well, we're going to have him play in the preseason. We're gonna make sure we come in and there's not a lot of rust. They come in, they start off the year two and zero and you're thinking, all right, well, at least the plan worked, and then he gets hurt and then they just went in this downward spiral. Joe Burrow after the game talked about his return last night in Baltimore.

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Speaker 8: It had to knock some rust off there in the first half, so I expect myself to play better. But it was great to be back out there. I was, you know, a lot of emotions running through it at the end of the game. So it's just good to be back with the guys. You know, anytime you can get a big win like this, it's it's exciting. And guys work really hard for this. You know, we are where we're at with our record, but guys work really hard to go out and put on good performances on Sunday. So when you're able to do that, it feels good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they would need some things to fall their way, but it's.

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Speaker 4: A lot of pressure on them to try to get in there.

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Speaker 7: I mean, but think about it, if they if they went out they get in.

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Speaker 4: That's a lot of pressure.

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Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, I don't I know, you're going to go into li scenarios like what needs to play out for them to be able to make the playoffs. Just win, just win, just keep winning. There's enough games left that if they just keep winning, if they go on a tear and take over the second half of the season, which is very very poss right, this be Bengals team has so much tilent talent on it. They didn't even have Jamar in this game, Like think about that. Yeah, they didn't even have him and they still go out there and serve up an ass whipping didn't even have their their main receiver.

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Speaker 4: So you get you get hendrickson back.

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Speaker 7: I'm assuming he'll come back and and and continue to be healthy.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 7: You you'll get your You'll get some elements of your defense as a better defense moving forward, you'll have your your weapons on offense. They might take over the second half of this season and could be a team to beat heading into the postseason.

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Speaker 4: They could very.

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Speaker 7: Well storm back, just based around the idea that that the Steelers will give away a game. The Ravens they're giving away games. I mean, I don't know if we call it give it away. I don't Again, they don't look like they're a very good team. And the Steelers, I know they play without Aaron Rodgers, but the Steelers if Aaron Rodgers' injury can't you know, get rectified to the point of where he's comfortable.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how that all works out. What is you know how that works?

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Speaker 7: But this is not the same team without without Aaron Rodgers, And I don't know how good they are down the stretch. Honestly, if their running game isn't isn't up to standard of what a stealer running game should be heading down the stretch, So it aligns for Cincinnati to be able to not only climb back into it, they could take it over and win it. They could win the AFC nor because it's not a very competitive strong AFC North this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, they've got a couple of division games left. They've got Baltimore again and then they've got the Browns. They're three and one in the division. They've got the best record in the division. So it's look, it's a long shot. But if they do go on this run, because they're at Buffalo coming up up next week and we've seen look at the Bills. Yeah, the Bills have.

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Speaker 4: Not left that's not looking. Yeah, they're not the same.

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Speaker 2: So if if they were to go on this run, and let's just say, you know, for hypothetically speaking, they get into the postseason, they're that's a problem because that's a team with you know, and we'll get into the Kansas City conversation as well, but that's a team who gets into the AFC playoffs and all of a sudden, I think they've got the best quarterback in the playoffs and.

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Speaker 7: Receiving ten Yeah, outside of Dallas, which I know we're going to get into that outside of Dallas, who has a better, more loaded receiving corps.

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Speaker 4: Nobody, Nobody, nobody.

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Speaker 7: So I mean they could potentially, like I said, if they catch fire this second half of the season, then they stay healthy and you know they have they've had enough things not go their way. They have a few things go there way. This Cincinnati team becomes a real interesting prospect, a real interesting horse. Do you put your money on moving down a stretch of who's going to finish out? They have the ability, they have the experience, they have the understanding of how good they can be because they've made it to the Super Bowl. So and they are one of the teams that have proven that that Kansas City kind of before now that unbeatable, that unpenetrable Kansas City team, they can be beat. That was Cincinnati that was proving that. Yeah, So to me, it's an interesting conversation because they can get on a run. It was confirmed that Joe Burrow can make the difference in how this team carries out a game plan. Whether he plays defense or not doesn't matter. It's the impact and the energy of knowing that you have your guy back and all we got to do is step our level will play up, and we step our level up, then it's going to go up for the rest of us as well.

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Speaker 4: And Joe's going to do what he needs to do. And that's exactly what you saw happen in this Ravens game.

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Speaker 2: Now, the Ravens conversation is a separate one because Baltimore, look, yeah, there's something off. John Harbaugh, the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens, was asked about potentially maybe health being an issue for Lamar Jackson and had this to say, I just.

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Speaker 8: Think he tried to do the best you can from play to play, in game to game to execute and make plays.

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Speaker 4: See fully healthy.

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Speaker 2: Fully healthy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's fully healthy to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So that's more like, man, we're just trying to get through it. You know, he's always on the injury report. There's always something that pops up. They just don't.

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Speaker 4: Look good, man.

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Speaker 2: And if we're being fair about the situation, like the Joe Burrow's been out for a significant amount of time. The conversation about the defense is one thing. We're now two thirds of the season in. You kind of are what you are at this point right as the Great Pte Prisco would say, you are what you are, and Baltimore's just they look like a mediocre football team. And I know they've been on a little bit of a run lately, but last night was alarming. They were a seven point favorite at home on a short week against.

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Speaker 4: We took them, too, didn't we.

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Speaker 2: I think I might have taken Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: I think, did you really?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I got to look into that, but I mean it was a lot of points. I said, well, you know, listen, I'll ride the momentum of Joe Burrow. But I mean I didn't think it was going to look like.

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Speaker 4: That, did you? Money line the Bengals? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Probably not, if I'm being honest, probably not.

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Speaker 7: I just where we're at right now in the season. I am so fed up with people disappointing the idea that the good teams get better and the bad teams are very wildly and concert. I thought we would see a wildly inconsistent game from the Bengals, and we would see a Baltimore Ravens team continue to apply themselves and bring a level of play that says they're getting themselves into form for what's taking place. The interview points that you hear from Harball. The things that you see take place with this team, the conversation surrounding them is largely in part they are a very inconsistent football team. That's not the type of team that can ride any type of momentum into a postseason aspiration to try to win a Super Bowl. That's what the Baltimore Ravens are right now. Why are they this team? It's very perplexing. I don't know. I don't know who has the answer for it. But the question to me becomes, where is Harball as a coach in his tenure with this group. If this is all you can get as a result from your team, I think it raises a lot of red flags if I'm moving forward in terms of what has we keep asking the question about the Buffalo Bills. Have they hit their ceiling? Every single week? Have they hit their ceiling? Have they hit their ceiling? I gotta ask the question, have the Baltimore Ravens hit their ceiling? That's gotta be the number one question coming out of that game yesterday because there's really no apparent reason as to why you could come to a strong positive conclusion that the Cincinnati Bengals would have a decisive, dominant victory over the Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: If he didn't seem like look, if.

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Speaker 2: You would have told me that a Cincinnati went in there and they squeaked one out on a field goal late Evan McPherson hit a fifty plus yard field goal and they win that game on man, you know big, but it's like, hey, but you made the point earlier. That was a beating, last beat. That game was like they like Cincinnati fed them their ass on national television for everybody to watch, and it looked like a shell of what the Ravens were last year. The Lamar's not looked that bad in a long time. And it was just turning the ball over, no answers, they just they stopped running the It's you've got all and I know this, and there's been injuries and there's been all this stuff and and key players have been out on defense for there. I get all that, But you still do have Lamar Jackson, Like, you still do have talent there. It's not like it's not like you were at down your number one wide receiver like the Bengals were, and that game wasn't close, Like if Cincinnati converts, you know, instead of kicking field goals if they you know, convert a couple of more touchdowns. And Joe Burrow isn't working through the rust. Who the hell knows what that game looks like? Like that was that was an ugly performance. And yeah, I do wonder at what point because you know, it's the same thing about Mike Tomlin, It's the same thing about you know, Sean McDermott. It's like, man, there's been a lot of success there, but it hasn't quite gotten to Super Bowl yet, Like it hasn't quite gotten to Hey, well, you know they lost in a super Bowl and you're not hearing any of that stuff about you know, Andy Reid, you're not here. But for some reason, the Ravens don't look the same, the Bills don't look it. Just something's off there, man. And I just wonder with Lamar's mobility and the way his style of play, you know, when do we start having the discussion has he peaked as well too, because he's taken a lot of damage. He's been out there, and those hits add up, and I'm just wondering if where at the point in his career where the athletic ability can't carry him the way maybe it did in previous years. I don't want to overreact, but that did not look good, and this season hasn't looked good for that team.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that you could call it an overreaction at this point to have criticisms towards any ass respect of the Ravens team or their game right now, I don't think anything is off limits.

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Speaker 4: Maybe hambling, maybe that might be it, But otherwise I think they're they're all.

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Speaker 2: What not what what? Nothing?

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Speaker 4: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: You know, We're just having you know, just having conversations with the Ravens. It's all, you know.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I don't know, this feels like a setup.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not not a setup.

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Speaker 4: What is it? I mean?

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Speaker 2: I just I just was wondering if maybe there's there's something else going on there, you know, like maybe you know, maybe you know, justin Tucker put some sort of a hecks on the Oh. I'm just saying, you know, like one of those neon lighte hecks is like, you're gonna come after me. I'm asking the question. I'm trying to get some answers here, and I got to know what's going on there in Baltimore. That's all.

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Speaker 7: So you're saying he has to ends the facility of this possibly happening on the road at the facility, I mean, you know it's possible. Yeah, I just no, I wouldn't know. I got an extensive background on people being inappropriate in locker rooms, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you do, there, you do.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know, bitches, But but yeah, I didn't know. Don't don't text me up after the show, so you knew. No, I didn't know. I was totally unaware. That over clear on that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's that they have not looked good all year, and so I don't. I know, there's still the overwhelming favorite to win that division, just because somebody's got to win that division. But I don't.

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Speaker 7: It's the inconsistencies for me, man, Like, they're all inconsistent. Every lets one of them are inconsistent. There's no way to put a tag on any of those AFC teams, no way. Like I'm curious to see what what Schador does on Sunday because even the Browns are in the conversation. That's crazy. All four teams are in the conversation. As poorly as they have done, they could all be in the conversation, maybe the Browns don't make the playoffs based on where they're at, but they can make a run for it. And imagine what that conversation is if they go on to tear with Shador at quarterback. So now so now stefans Key may save his job.

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Speaker 4: Boom, here you go.

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Speaker 7: You go into an offseason with the momentum of what Shador Sanders has done as your starting quarterback. You got, you got one of the best defensive ends, might break the record. He's he's on record watch for most sacks in the season, and Miles Garrett, you have pieces. Now you you instead of going for a quarterback with that top pick, go after a receiver.

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Speaker 4: Go after a couple receivers in your draft.

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Speaker 7: Go after some offensive linemen that can be like anchor offensive linemen for the future of your team.

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Speaker 4: Go for those aspects.

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Speaker 7: And now you have a lot of excitement building around the Cleveland Browns. Do you look at Cincinnati. Cincinnati, all they need to do is address their defense. That's all they need to do, and now they're right on their way. The Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens may have the biggest questions surrounding them moving into the future, out of any of the other teams in the AFC North, and they're the ones at top of the AFC North, which is very interesting because how much time do they have?

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Speaker 4: How much do you have?

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Speaker 7: How much time do you have in Pittsburgh before you really see what this roster really truly is? How much time do you have in Baltimore before you see what this roster really truly is?

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Speaker 4: How much time do you have?

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Speaker 2: And also look at if you're Cincinnati, like you know, last night, you're out there dealing and Joe Burrow's working off rust and t Higgins is out with the concussion and all that, Like you get him back. Joe Burrow's got a game under his belt. I'm telling you, he's the best quarterback in the division in my mind, and it's not close like this, he's the best quarterback in the division, especially with Lamar's health and all that. If they like, if he's got his full compliment. I know it's thirteen to one on DraftKings for them to win the division. I just I'm looking at it going maybe it is possible. I don't know, maybe it is Paul. And then that being said, they could come out, they get their full compliment of weapons around Joe Burrow and they get annihilated next week. I don't know. I mean, it's just it's one of those things. It's inconsistent as hell, but it's the AFC North, So there's a I.

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Speaker 4: Think it makes it.

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Speaker 7: I think it makes it very interesting moving into moving into where we're going.

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Speaker 4: Because it is they are.

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Speaker 7: They have been such a amazing teams, such amazing franchises for the National Football League, for the AFC. They've built the reputation of the AFC North. I mean, all these teams have built the reputation of the AFC North, but the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Ravens have been the gold standard of the division, and they've been a gold standard for the National Football League as well. It's interesting to see where these teams, if that legacy, if that tradition that they've built through the years. The decision makers that are in play now because there are different different decision makers at the GM's positions that aren't historically a part of the successes of these teams, these franchises. Can they right the ships, Can they get these teams going in the right directions and how much time is it going to take for them to be able to do it. It seemed as so Pittsburgh may have pulled a fast one on us. They got out to the type of start that would make you consider that the steps that they took this offseason weren't worth looking at and criticizing. I know, I was very critical. It looked as though they got off to a different type of start. But you know, to me, now, I don't know, man. I don't know about the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I don't know about the Baltimore Ravens, and I don't know that there's any indicator other than saying for Baltimore you have Lamar Jackson. But you asked a question that's a very legitimate question. Has he hit his ceiling?

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, I don't. I don't know, man. There's something off there. There's something off with all of them. But it's fun, you know, it is fun to discuss the AFC North. It is two pros and a cup of Joe in for the Dan Patrick Show here on Fox Sports Radio to Lebar Arrington and Jonas Knox in for DP and the guys, we are going to take you all the way up until noon Eastern time nine o'clock Pacific. We'll have another edition of an in case you missed it. That's usual on our show. We've got the leftovers. Albert Breer's gonna stop by as well too. We're gonna get into the news and notes. Big weekend for AB. You're gonna find out why it's a big weekend for Albert Breer coming up an hour or two. All of it is yours here on this three hour extravaganz up next though apparently somebody had a plan in the NFL. The plan was laughed at and mocked by many people, but they might have been right. Find out who they are here on FSR. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 10: And good morning, guys. How we doing. We are good. I hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, I got you, buddy.

00:29:13
Speaker 11: But let's start with this in case you missed it. Justin Jefferson was asked about the Vikings backup quarterback Max Brosmer just have to start this week in place of JJ McCarthy. He said, quote, he's definitely a good QB to be able to fit in with this offense and create a spark for us. That's something we really need right now. So a little bit of an indirect jab at JJ McCarthy, what do you think, guys, I was being honest.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's inang. I mean that's kind of the only way to interpret it, right. They need a spark, you know.

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Speaker 2: Have been great if Justin Jefferson they would have said, ay, so, what's the what's your favorite thing about Max Brosmer. It's like, oh, that he's not JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: That might have been the funniest thing that could have been funny just.

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Speaker 2: To see, because man, the JJ McCarthy thing that is not going well?

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Speaker 4: Or do you after that?

00:30:00
Speaker 7: I don't give the team if you if you want to your players comes out and says that where do.

00:30:06
Speaker 4: You go next? Where do we go from here?

00:30:08
Speaker 2: The other thing that I think it's lost in all of it is because people point out, man, you decided to move on from Sam Donald, and you decided to move on from Donald, and what did Sam Donald do? Since he's gotten to Seattle. They also decided to move on from Daniel Jones too, like that he was also there, like he signed with Minnesota. So it just it is not gone well. I mean it's pretty early, but he just hasn't been available also, like he hasn't been able to stay healthy and now he's out again with a concussion.

00:30:35
Speaker 4: So it's wild man, Oh well.

00:30:40
Speaker 11: Riverside, Yeah, and it's like, well, Max Brosmer is the one that you're saying creates a spark over McCarthy's.

00:30:47
Speaker 2: That's correct, That is correct.

00:30:50
Speaker 11: Anyway, Next up, Ryan Days pulling an interesting move ahead of Ohio State's rivalry game versus Michigan. Here, he's decided to have his team fly to an arbor for the game as opposed to take the bus as they've historically done for the matchup, Day said, the Buckeyes fly to their other road game, so he wants to quote.

00:31:05
Speaker 10: Keep the routine.

00:31:06
Speaker 2: The routine, that's what it is, and he knows the past.

00:31:10
Speaker 10: Four years hasn't worked. So he's trying to make some adjustments here.

00:31:13
Speaker 7: Trying any old thing at this point. Now, you better get a you better get you better get a professional hip hip hYP tazzler, go get it.

00:31:27
Speaker 4: What is the you will wake up?

00:31:30
Speaker 2: Is missus Cleo still around? That's that's that.

00:31:33
Speaker 7: I mean, that's more looking at your your you know, your toro card.

00:31:37
Speaker 2: Try anything at this point, I mean, I.

00:31:39
Speaker 7: Guess, I guess em on, I tell you what happened in the future for you? No, no good things of you.

00:31:48
Speaker 2: It's Joe white ass hasn't beat Devin five years.

00:31:57
Speaker 7: I don't I don't know what what uh what accent that was jonas I clicked that one. Oh okay, all right, that was more like mister uh. I don't know that was not Cleo. That wasn't I don't know what type of type of Yeah, let's just go to break you you roin the bit.

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00:33:07
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the Dan Patrick Show here Fox Sports Radio. LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Dan and the guys. We're gonna catch up with our guy Albert Breer coming up in just a moment. Want to let you know we're brought to you by Maco. Most cars on the road could use a little toc. At Maco, we bring your car back to life with affordable paint jobs and light collision repairs. Get a free estimate today. Uh oh, better get Maco all right? So this is a man who I think the nerves are a little heightened this weekend.

00:33:39
Speaker 4: Yeah you can. That's a big nervous. It's a big nervous.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Is this the Ohio State fight song?

00:33:48
Speaker 3: Is this?

00:33:49
Speaker 2: Is this the Ohios? Do we have this correct? Is this the one?

00:33:52
Speaker 4: Ab?

00:33:52
Speaker 2: Is this the one?

00:33:54
Speaker 3: Yeah? Thanks for getting my nerves?

00:33:55
Speaker 4: Okay, be nervous.

00:33:58
Speaker 2: I just uh, I mean Ryan Day's got an interesting approach. I don't know if you saw the news auber Breer, but Ryan Days having the team fly in as opposed to that.

00:34:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I would think, like actually would take longer because thinking about it, it's like a little under three hours if you're driving right, like and if you're driving the KI drive anyway, and so like if you're talking about like going to the airport boarding and I know this charger, but like going to the airport boarding getting off in Detroit and then it's like still another whatever twenty five minutes from an arbor, Like I would think that would take longer, right, Am I wrong about that?

00:34:44
Speaker 4: I think you're reaching, Abe.

00:34:46
Speaker 7: I think you're reaching because you're trying to end your mind.

00:34:50
Speaker 4: Justify if it goes wrong.

00:34:53
Speaker 7: Why they should have just want to hit and drove in the buses as opposed to you're going to start it as the origin of messing up this year's game was the fact that Ryan Day chose to fly instead of draft.

00:35:06
Speaker 3: Oh no, put this out logistically. I'm a travel connoisse dower.

00:35:10
Speaker 7: So I'm just saying what it sounds like. Abe, That's what I'm just. I just want you to say. I just want you to understand what the listener is hearing from you right now.

00:35:20
Speaker 4: That's that's that's all I want.

00:35:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm just I'm actually just like, you know, looking at this because I'm I'm kind of like a I'm I'm like a doctor of travel. Basically, this based on all the travel I've done. So I just I like to analyze these things, you know, from a from a pure fact standpoint. And I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what will be faster. I think driving might be faster.

00:35:46
Speaker 4: Do you really think so? I mean that's interesting, I think so.

00:35:49
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well no, it's like two hundred it's two hundred miles, right, So it's it's it's almost like exactly two hundred miles. So you figure you can do that in three hours? Okay, So if you do that in three hour hours, like it probably takes you, I don't know, fifteen minutes to get from fifteen twenty minutes get from campus to the airport. Then how long does it take you to board the plane?

00:36:11
Speaker 4: Right? Like probably like forty five to an hour.

00:36:14
Speaker 3: You're probably in the air for it's probably like a half hour forty five minutes in the air. Right then you land, you taxi, you d plane, you get on another bus, Like, I think how far as that bus? More than three hours? Huh?

00:36:29
Speaker 4: How much is how far is the bus from the hotel from where you're going?

00:36:32
Speaker 3: Well, in thirty five because the Detroit airports like halfway between actual Detroit n and Arbor, so it's like twenty five minutes.

00:36:41
Speaker 7: It might be a quicker, it might be much sounds a little quicker, huh. It sounds a little quicker to fly. Maybe not that much, but maybe a little quicker.

00:36:52
Speaker 3: It's cool.

00:36:52
Speaker 4: It might it might be too.

00:36:54
Speaker 7: Close to to like split hairs on. It is what you're trying to say, right, So they.

00:36:59
Speaker 4: Should should they drift? So should they have draft? Baby?

00:37:03
Speaker 3: I don't mind, I don't mind. No, I don't. I don't mind. I don't mind keeping the routine. I think that that was smart by Ryan to keep the routine. I'm just again like I'm way too interested in these sorts of questions.

00:37:17
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna get your uh, your your pick on the game, like we do every single week when you join us on Fox Sports Radio. But I did want to ask you, based on what we saw last night, because look, Joe Burrow gives him a boost, they come back, Cincinnati wins that game. What's wrong with Baltimore because, like, honestly, because it just it hasn't looked good really all year outside of a couple of spots. But Lamar Jackson does not look like the same player.

00:37:44
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that's sort of what it comes down to. I think their defense is fine for the most part, like I and I think, like what you saw last night was one of the best players in football coming back into the lineup in the second half of that game really looking like himself, you know, which you would expect Joe Burrow to be able to, you know, create generate offense, you know, no matter who's on the other side. So that was you know, obviously part of the equation. But I do think the Baltimore defense has played pretty well on balance over the course of the year. So then you know, like you then then the next question would be where it's the offense at and like really, to me, that offense is not like the same all year. And you know, I think if we're going back to when Lamar got hurt, right like, and how that affects them, Like I thought last night, like for the first time, it does look like he's start he's starting to get the juice back in his legs right like where you can still you can still you know, pull it and run it the way that he's always been able to. We started to see that come back, like last night, I think he saw it. I just wonder, like, you know, like does this injury has this injury had an effect on his mechanics, because you know, quarterbacks like little things can screw up screw up things to the point where it's like, okay, like maybe it's not the most noticeable thing in the world, but you can throw your accuracy off a little bit, you know, or it can make you It can it can it can cause a little bit of like a tweak in the way you play. That needs to be fixed when he gets to the offseason. So you know, Lamar is still a great, great player, but we're so used to him being, you know, in that group of four quarterbacks with him and Burrow and Mahomes and Allen, and it's just like again, like not like he's falling off the face of the earth. But they don't look as dangerous offensively as they have and it'll be interesting to see if they can get that together. Because remember, as you know, up and down as things have been, they they did win five in a row going into last night's game, and the rest of their schedule is pretty interesting. They'll play the Steelers twice. They got to play the Bengals again in two weeks, and so you know, as stranger as it sounds, for two is coming in last night, three and eight, Like the door is still open for the Bengals to win the AFC North. They need some help for sure, but like there's a way for it to happen if they swooped the Ravens. The Ravens are up to seven losses then, and so the Ravens would only need to lose one more game and the Ravens play the Steelers twice. I believe it that the Lions in there too, where it'd be like you could easily see them losing one more game, and if the Steelers level off like now, all of a sudden, if the Bengals can run the table, and that's a lot to ask, but the Bengals run the table now all of a sudden, they can seek in the playoffs.

00:40:37
Speaker 4: I think you're absolutely correct.

00:40:39
Speaker 7: In fact, I feel like that's what I explained to Jonas early on in the show.

00:40:43
Speaker 4: By the way, So there you go. I like your reasoning right there.

00:40:47
Speaker 7: Ab Let me ask you about another team that finds themselves in maybe a compromising position right now based off of what Mike Vrabel has been able to do in Newing Lynn.

00:41:00
Speaker 4: Are the Buffalo Bills? Are they plateauing?

00:41:03
Speaker 7: Are are they hitting a ceiling of sorts in terms of what we should expect and anticipate from them.

00:41:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some interesting questions with them, LeVar, like I so like, I mean, one is like they do need to get healthier, right so they won't get Oliver back until the playoffs. But that's obviously a huge piece for them to lose, and they're relying on some younger guys like Walker and Sanders to pick up the slack for them on the interior of the D line, which is a big deal, right Like and then not having Dalton Kincaid that was that was an issue. I mean the collapse of Keon Coleman like that hurt as well, which part of the reason why they're bring in Brandon Cooks. Yeah, I think the overarching question now become one at such a high level with that core that they built around Josh Allen. You know five, six, seven years ago when you had guys like Hide and Ployer and Stefan digg And and you know, that group was able to win at a high level. And now what you've done is you've effectively replaced that group with some homegrown talent. And so you paid Rousseau, you paid Khalil Shakir, you paid James Cook, you paid Terrell Bernard, you paid Christian Benford. So, like a lot of people said, it's a window closing, I don't think that's it. Like I think where it is is this group that you've paid isn't good enough, you know what I mean? Like, and was that money well spent? And I think we know how good the quarterback is, but there's a lot more to it than just the quarterback here, and so I think seeing that part of it play out is going to be the interesting thing because they really need those guys that they paid, those guys that they've invested in to be part of the new corps that replaced the first corps that Josh won with to step up and be who you know, like they thought those guys were going to be able to be when they paid them.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter the MMQB dot com. You can get him on x at Albert Breer. We kind of made mention of this a little bit last hour because you know we're watching, you know, you're going to see the Bears play later on NFC North. Things are headed in the right direction. It seems like you see the Packers and the Lions teams that are still good teams, and then you got the Vikings and how patient are they going to be with JJ McCarthy knowing they let Sam Darnold walk, they let Daniel Jones walk, and this is the result.

00:43:34
Speaker 3: So, like I I think there are two layers this. There's this year and then there's the future, right, So for this year, like Max Brosmer did enough, you know, in the summer where they would and I talked to people that have said this, like they would really like to see what he looks like in a regular season game, and they had no idea if that opportunity was going to present itself, but he had done enough where it was like, you know, we'd really like to see what this kid could do at some point, right, And so there's that piece of it, and that could happen. It looks like it's going to happen organically this week with with McCarthy's concussion, right, so you know, if JJ's out this week, then they get a look at Max Brosmer, and then you know, the question becomes like is Brosemer a better option if he plays really well for the rest of the year, you know, And then there's a second level to it, which is what does this mean for the future. Well, you know, I think a big piece of the rest of this year for them was like we need answers on JJ McCarthy now, and we need to figure out who he is now so we can start to plan for twenty twenty six and going forward. And you know, really for them what that's about. It's not like they want to continue to develop JJ. There's a lot of stuff they love about JJ, but this isn't a rebuilding team. And I've said this to you guy since March and April, right when they did try to bring DJ back and they did try to bring Sam back. Like, this is a team that's got a lot of proud veteran players that are the primes of their career, right Like, so like if I'm Justin Jefferson or Jordan Addison or Christian Darisaw or Jonathan Gernard or Andrew Van Ginkel, like like I don't want to hear that, Like you know, like we're going to spend another year figuring this out. Like you got to have answers on the roster for those guys, right Like, this isn't a team that can just throw seasons overboard in the name of quarterback development. So like I think JJ has to earn his spot for twenty six and then he plays great the rest of the year, they go in the playoffs and make some noise, then he's a quarterback. If it looks like it's looked, I fully expect that they're going to bring in competition for him next year, you know, So like there's a lot on the line, I think, and again, like it's not necessarily JJ's fault, but like this is a double edged swort of going to a place like this. When he was drafted, everybody's like, well, that's a great spot to go, and it was, you know what I mean, that absolutely is a great spike took go with Kevin O'Connell and the receivers they have in the Ligne, they have all that different stuff. The other edge to that sword, though, is that like a place like that isn't going to be his app to wait for you. You know. It's kind of like San Francisco back a few years ago with Trey Lance. It was like that team could not wait for Trey Lance to develop. That team needed an answer and in the present, and they got that answer with proc party and they moved forward. So there's some similarities between this situation and where the Niners were a few years ago with Trey Lance.

00:46:32
Speaker 7: How are how are the internals looking at what's going on in Las Vegas?

00:46:39
Speaker 4: Ab?

00:46:39
Speaker 7: I mean that to me, you know, everybody was making a hu haa hooray about Tom Brady and his ability to get information and make this this Vegas team super Bowl competitor. They bring in Pete Carroll, my goodness, everything they got a hold of Pete Carroll's old quarterback. He rejuvenated Geno Smith's career. Where are we right now and how we're viewing the Las Vegas Raiders?

00:47:06
Speaker 3: Well, that information, I guess hasn't helped them with sons, right, Yeah, I mean I think there's some push and pull here, LeVar. I mean, obviously you got a coaching staff that was older, that had a bunch of guys that were kind of matched together, right, so, you know, like Pete Carroll had not worked before with Chip Kelly. Pete Carroll had not worked before the d C. Patrick Graham either, you know. And you know, I think a lot of this was on the coaching side put together to like how competitive can we become right now? And you know, I think for the front office there's like a little bit of a different look at this where this was never going to be a one off season rebuild. It was always going to take longer than that. You know, Like the roster they inherited needed to work in just about every single way, you know, and so like I think that's been where there's been some level of tension. I mean even going back to like the trade deadline, you know, where where they had players that they could have flipped, you know, for picks going forward, and part of not doing that was having a coaching staff that wanted to compete in here and now. And so now you're sort of left in this in between. You fired your offensive coordinator and it's like okay, like, well what's next? And I honestly look at it like this is still a multi off season rebuild. It's still going to take you know, a couple of years to get this thing where they where they want to bring it, where it can be a real contender for a championship. And you know, I think because of that, there are gonna be some big picture questions that are going to be asked about all kinds of areas of that operation coming out of the twenty twenty five season. And I expect that Tom Brady's gonna be a big part of that, of course, you know, as he has been, but you know, thus far, I mean it just I guess what you're looking for is like just a little pieces of progress, right like that gives you something to hang your hat on going into next year, and we haven't gotten a lot of those yet.

00:49:06
Speaker 2: Albert, is there any coach that is maybe potentially coaching for his job down the stretch here in the last handful of games that might be a surprise to some people maybe the seat than some know.

00:49:20
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we all know, like Mike McDaniel is going to be in that position, right like, just because we don't know who the general manager is going to be, you know, going forward obviously, like you already have a couple of openings, you know, the Giants and the Titans eating coaches. I'm just trying to think of, like, I mean, you know, the one that like people keep talking about and I think he's a fantastic coach, but like you know, Todd Bowles in Tampa, like if they were to really collapse down the stretch, Like I I wonder a little bit in that in that one, you know, because I do think like when you've talked about it for as many years and has come up for as many years as it come up in as many years that it has, is that one where it's like all right, like you know, you know, we're building behind Baker Mayfield now, and this is a natural spot to make a change, you know. I think the one that everybody's gonna bring up, the two that everybody are going to bring off, like if the seasons go the wrong way, are going to be Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Now, I don't think those teams would ever fire those guys, but like there's going to be that well, you know, next year would be Tomlin's twentieth year in Pittsburgh. Next year would be Harbot's nineteenth year in Baltimore. And so you know, I think if if those teams disappoint down the stretch, you know, those conversations are certainly going to happen out in the public. You know, Privately, I think it would be more about like is this time? You know what I mean, rather than being any sort of firing. So, you know, we'll see what happens with those. And I'm just trying to think. I know there's one that I'm forgetting right now that I'm gonna kick myself for forgetting to bring up with you guys.

00:50:55
Speaker 2: McDermott, did you mention McDermott, I know we talked about the earlier.

00:50:59
Speaker 3: I don't I don't get any sense like that internally they're having those discussions. However, you know, I think the I may have I've said this a few different times. I may have said it to you guys before. I can't remember, but I I like like I sort of looked at like look at a little bit like Tony Dungee and Tampa. If you remember, back in the day, Tony Dungee did such an incredible job of of and you guys remember, and you guys, you guys remember how terrible they were before he got there. They were They were not just the laughing stock of the NFL. They were like one of the laughing stocks in all his sports. And Tony Dungee got there, and he completely changed that place and built, you know, a historic defense with you know, John Lynch and Derek Brooks and Warren Sapp and Ronda de Harper, ye and then that and that and and and and he did such an awesome job. But they've been knocking on the door for so long, and because they had that defense, the urgency was amped up. And then if you remember, at the end of the twenty one at the end of the one season, they started flirting with Bill Parcells and almost got him and then wound up trading for John Gruden. And you do wonder if, like for the same reason there was urgency in Tampa back then, because it was like, we're only going to have this defense for so long. If like eventually in Buffalo gets the point with Josh Allen, now he's turning thirty in May where it's like, all right, like, you know, we really need to find a way to maximize what we have here to chase a championship, So that will be the sort of comparison. But I don't think, like, not to my knowledge anyway, any of those conversations have happened yet internally, all.

00:52:37
Speaker 2: Right, ab moment of true, moment of true there and now was the time has arrived. Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB and the Pride of Ohio State. Do you feel like, at the end of Saturday's game in an arbor that the Ohio State Buck guys will have won that game by more than nine and a half points.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: It's down at nine and a half nowe people are setting it down.

00:53:03
Speaker 2: Oh, wasn't it twelve? I thought it was twelve twelve and a half.

00:53:07
Speaker 3: It was at one point then I think I don't know. I the last I heard it was ten and a half, So yeah, it's under ten now, yikes. I think they will. You know, I picked them a cover last week and they did right without Carnell and without JJ.

00:53:25
Speaker 2: Yeah all right.

00:53:27
Speaker 3: So, like what the way I feel about the game right now is like a lot of people are going to be focused on our receivers and whether they play or not. I really like our defense with all the first round picks on it, and that coordinator going up against the young quarterback that I think could wind up being the key to the whole thing. And so like I I, you know, like I just I don't know how Michigan's going to score on on Ohio. Ohio State hasn't really been scored on all year, you know, So like its Michigan the team to break through that I don't think so. And again like this is I'm saying, I think I'm not like pounding my chest here because I've learned my lesson doing that. I do respect the rivalry more than some people on the other side do.

00:54:18
Speaker 2: Wow, there you go.

00:54:22
Speaker 3: But but I would say, like that to me is the key is like if this Patricia defense is keeping them to ten or thirteen or fourteen or seventeen points, Like, I don't know how you keep the Ohio State offense under one.

00:54:39
Speaker 2: And also, you know, Matt Patrice has probably got a red ass going back to Michigan. He probably he's got a point to prove.

00:54:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well there might be some things planned. I mean this will be interesting too. Yeah. I think that that group, that that Ohio State group, I will say this, that Ohio State defensive group loves Matt and I think they understand where where where this game is being played and what it might mean to Matt to be able to pull that off. And so yeah, I think there's that element of it too. I I I don't know, I was so confident last year and there was like because before that, like the three years before that, like Michigan had really good teams. I don't think they were the better team in every one of those three years, but like they had you know, however, it may have happened, got themselves up to our level for a temporary period of time. And uh this one, but last year was not last year was last year. Last year I would say changed Ryan Day in a way that I think is going to show up on set.

00:55:43
Speaker 2: Nice.

00:55:43
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that part of the place. What do you guys.

00:55:46
Speaker 2: Think I would? I would lean in your direction. I just wanted to come down to the wire though, Like I wanted to come down to the wire if I had to bet on Key State. But I don't have I don't have a I don't have an interest either way. I just want to see finished.

00:56:00
Speaker 3: I mean, look last week last year, I was in that parking lot. It was like five degrees. I flew in the morning of I was like shot out of a cannon, like you know, seven eight beers deep by like ten thirty eight ms coming off the plane. And I remember saying to my buddy Jillan, I was we were in the parking lot and I was like, I was like, I like everybody come by by tickases games wanting to see a classic. I'm like, f Dad, I don't want to see a classic. I want this. I want this to be the worst blowout they've ever seen. I want that stadium to be a party after the game. And again, like I've learned some lessons. I don't care if the wins by one or fifty. Just get it done.

00:56:38
Speaker 2: Well, ab It's going to be fun. And we appreciate you joining us. As always, we're up against it, but the great Albert Breer here with this on The Dan Patrick Show. Let's do it again next week.

00:56:48
Speaker 3: Thanks.

00:56:49
Speaker 4: There he is.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: It is the Dan Patrick Show here Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox coming up next year on FSO in Trouble