Michael Irvin: The Untold White House Story, Jerry Jones Confrontation & Cowboys 2026 Blueprint

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Speaker 1: Both of y'all got six packs at your age.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's a lot of people your age walking around here looking like Jason woodlock right.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good in y'all, I come in, y'all. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to another episode of Unplugged, and we are loaded today Happy for twenty with my brother Steven u Ulysses S Jackson, Mad Maximus, and the newest member of the All the Smoke family, the playmate.

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Speaker 4: Oh James.

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Speaker 5: Yes, this is quite a group hitdle Man.

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Speaker 6: A lot of troubles happened in that room, a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of ship, a lot of.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, okay, I'm gonna let it go. But you know, we.

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Speaker 6: Could definitely discuss a little bit later. So we interviewed Mike last year.

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Speaker 3: At the Pump Gallery and I told him that day. I was like, man, we got to work together somehow. He's like, we'll see what happens. He's like, I'm working through some things, working through Long story short, we circle back around. Now we're partnering with you through Netflix. Were you the first original podcast at netsports podcast at Netflix?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, yes, I am.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is the first original But man, Matt and and It's so funny because man.

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Speaker 4: I talked after that episode. You know, we're all over there.

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Speaker 5: I talked after that episode, and I had so many things that I was working on, and I just think it's fascinating, how fascinating. And I'm a spiritual man. You know, we all have our plan, but God has his playing, you know. And you laid you like, ma'am, we're just starting this mic is going to be we want to work with you on this, and I'm like, wait, okay, okay, let's talk about it. And then I went signed Netflix and we're doing this thing. And of course you guys are doing the great things that you're doing, and it's still.

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Speaker 4: Circle right back around, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: So this one book I was reading, I'm gonna give them some props here are Esquire called God Winks. It talks about the things that we all talk about we call coincidence. It's not really a coincidence, it's God winking. And when you have these kinds of moments, our job now is the search why he winked?

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Speaker 6: And put on that to.

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Speaker 5: See what I'm saying. That's why I appreciate being here with you.

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Speaker 3: So obviously you had options you know what I mean, You got one of the best podcasts over there. You could have ran with anyone. I remember the recruiting process, we all hopped on the call. What made you consider what was the final kind of thing that made you consider that, Hey, this is the right space for my new show.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's about a couple of things. It's so different than building any great football team. I think you gotta work with the right people, you know, the people that you want to be working with, the people that are like you. You know, we're all driven. We want to be the best at any and everything we get into, you know. And you guys, we got in this space, in this place, and at this time you understand it. We're using sports, all of us, our experiences and sports and ways to try somehow help people listen.

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Speaker 4: To the story. We glean things from sports.

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Speaker 5: When we hear about mad Max going off of course in dropping, you know what I mean, and odds were against them, people are here getting they got odds against them. They get inspired by hearing those stories. So so you guys know how to take great stories man and help people with those stories. And I think that's the most important thing. I think that's what this podcast space is all about that you couldn't get into on traditional TV.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those few minutes here, a few minutes there, get in, get out before you can even get to the root of the store. Right here, you can really share his lords and you guys have captured that.

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Speaker 6: Great So what's next for White House?

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Speaker 3: You shot your first episode under the Umbrella today with two great guests, whether we get us and Le'Veon Bell? So what what should fans expect?

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Speaker 5: Man? So much out here, man, you got this, this, this, this heaven, this land.

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Speaker 4: This the heaven land. For what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: When we're talking about bringing people, getting people, interesting people, people that have reached down each side of their kid and pulled out their king and accomplished great things to share on these sets, all of them live in this land.

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Speaker 4: So being out.

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Speaker 5: Here in l A, being with you guys, with the reputation you got, it takes us to another level and we're happy to be on that other level.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love this thing about you, bro.

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Speaker 4: I've got my boy Mary Max in here.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're about to get into these Florida bars. What I don't know, I don't know if y'all know, But man.

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Speaker 4: Been many since. I see, Yeah, Houston locked down.

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Speaker 8: God damn id teal to Florida to take it off the Texas over. That's what we got, right, he said.

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Speaker 4: No, right over.

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Speaker 1: Actually I had Houston on lock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no lock, no hours from each other right there, right there, we're gonna speaking of that.

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Speaker 1: Both y'all come from Florida.

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Speaker 2: We I talked to both of y'all about all the athletes that come from Florida, especially some of them come from your neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Y'all going up together? Why does Florida produce such great athletes in all sports?

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Speaker 9: That ship in the water, in the water and the water down there, man, I'm telling you, man, but noah, Man, we got the sunny weather's nice down there all the time, got beautiful weather, and weide and then we outside and back.

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Speaker 6: When we came up.

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Speaker 9: We outside all the time we was finding ship to do. Jumping over ship, you might get caught up, tripped over the bottom and bust your head over. Still niggo taped up, let's get.

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Speaker 1: Back you go.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm just saying that's how we was dowing there. We were some tough but uh manable motherfucking kids. You know, like you know, the next door neighbor can whoop your gass. You know what I mean, free jobs. So next your next door neighbor beat your ass, you know, for your mama, because you don't there's some crazy ship out here, you know, knowing you were doing some ship you weren't supposed to do so, but that part right there, man.

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Speaker 4: But Florida, man, we.

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Speaker 9: Were just always outside and always playing well with football, your and ship.

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: We can't.

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Speaker 6: Inappropriate. You can't call it that. No more smear the boy. Yeah, you said it right. You don't want to get canceled, he.

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Speaker 4: Said, talking about talking about the neighborhood whooping.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm telling you, man, Mike, it was embarrassing and they would make you go pick out a switch. Jess, don't sweet my ass. Absolutely, that's how that was. You can't do anything child abuse.

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Speaker 6: Love, but it is. It takes a village.

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Speaker 3: You know, you guys are a little bit older than me and Stack, but we came up in the same when the neighborhood raised you. You know, that's where you got your bumps, your first kiss, your first fight, tag, football, baseball, back.

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Speaker 6: You did everything in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Did y'all know each other growing up?

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Speaker 6: Well for similar age?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, with some lad I'm sixty yeah, I'm sixty five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, But you know, I knew about the nigga. You know, I knew he was down south. I said, this motherfucker, you know, I mean he played football though, I mean, I don't know Mike, not in Miami. I know he comes through Gamesville when when they play against the Gators and fuck us.

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Speaker 4: Up all the time.

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Speaker 6: Goddamn nigga right here?

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Speaker 9: Who was this motherfucker motherfucker right here looking like Max? Yeah, catching everything, I mean, talking ship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but no, man, That's.

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Speaker 9: How I first got to know who he was because but I was playing football back in high school too, but I just didn't he was weak.

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Speaker 2: First yeah, first back yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Muster, Florida, the Florida. You gotta play all sports, you got we like them. You gotta be bad and all mother.

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Speaker 6: Yeah year round.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Football was a hobby and ship like that was a hobby. You got shi was hobby. I wasn't, you know, but all that ship was hobbies. But yeah, but I knew about him. I knew it was a bad motherfucker and damn, and then he went to my squad. God damn, how did happen?

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Speaker 4: This motherfucker went.

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Speaker 6: To the team. We need to Huge.

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Speaker 5: I was up there, we're metiate Is that there?

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Speaker 4: I said, Oh my god, man in here.

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Speaker 6: Man the man went to Dallas.

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Speaker 9: I'm like, oh my goodness, go man, you got them.

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Speaker 6: And then we got to talk to Jerry.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we gotta talk to jar Come on, man, come on, Jared.

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Speaker 4: We gotta talk to Jared.

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 1: We're trying to hear right, Let's let let's see what they do right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't know when they start letting jokes like Max and I in That was the first time they said, all right, we're gonna have to let the real niggas in here. Yeah, what were the first of the group come through there?

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Speaker 4: The real.

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Speaker 1: Did the ground?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was the ship.

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Speaker 1: We can deal with Max, that Jack couple that same already know from that clothes did y'all? Did y'all both of y'all got six packs at your age?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People your age walking around here looking like Jason Windlock.

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Speaker 5: Right, pretty good, y'all over.

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Speaker 1: I come here, y'all.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying due.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's ill doing to keep yourself both?

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Speaker 3: Like you're still in playing with you said you only lost the only only game probably.

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Speaker 6: Say lost you lost?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was one ninety five, I'm probably about one eight four.

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Speaker 5: Nice man, that's great. Oh yeah, that's great, man, healthy and everything. So many of our dudes, man, y'all see man, yeah, I see so many of these dudes.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, dog, come on, man, you score a touchdown. The people knew what you look like.

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Speaker 4: Now you're gonna you wobbling out here. The fuck is going on, dude.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, we gotta be better at that. We we gotta be better. I understand you, though. You know when you played a long time, you you be thinking.

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Speaker 4: About day I retired. I'm a chill out. I ain't doing nothing.

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Speaker 5: And I did that too when I first I first retired, chilled out a little bit. I remember Dion Dion was and he's playing with Baltimore at the time, and then he retired and he called and he was.

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Speaker 4: Like like, man, I'm done, Man, come on coming home. Pick me up.

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Speaker 5: And I said, all right, Dad, got me somebody done with me right out. So I'm going to I go pick him up, though I never forget.

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Speaker 4: I go pick him all. I get the wash up down, damn Like.

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Speaker 6: I said, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't feel this other nigga crawling in your ship? I said, what you're talking about? Dog like? He said, wait there. I was like, what you're talking about doing?

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Speaker 1: And I was.

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Speaker 5: Then I was sitting and right after I dropped him off, I had ice cream.

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Speaker 4: Out and I was eating some ice cream and some fell on the stunt and stuff.

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Speaker 6: Bro I said, oh, ship talking about I.

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Speaker 4: Said, that's what you're talking about. That was it for me right there.

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Speaker 5: But when you first retire, you want to take a break the man, then you're running. Somebody liked it, hadn't seen you in a while, and he said. I was like, okay, I gotta get right now. But a lot of guys, man, a lot of our guys, Yeah, they need to get better and take for.

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Speaker 6: Surgery before they we really do life take you out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they really, And we're getting so many of them now, getting that big c and all of these things. I tell people all the time, I'm gonna I'm gonna try the work out. I'm gonna do everything I can because I put the body through something.

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Speaker 4: We put our bodies through something on the field, and we went off that mind. We put our bodies through something. So so I'm gonna work hard right now and all of my time, and I'm gonna make you dime out of this body.

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Speaker 3: I think what everybody really wants to know is, have you guys ever ran across each other in the streets?

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Speaker 4: Period? Okay?

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Speaker 6: What city? What?

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Speaker 4: Stay?

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Speaker 3: Very boy?

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Speaker 6: So y'all y'all have a party together right now.

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Speaker 5: We were like God, we were like we were like we were like the Mall family.

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Speaker 10: You know, you know, I permission to come and seek a few of he is, hey, man, I want to come by the week.

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Speaker 4: Can I come in seek a few? Can come up then and see das it was.

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Speaker 6: Good old days.

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Speaker 3: We need to just sit down and have a reminisce about y'all's days in Dallas and Houston.

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Speaker 6: Max, you've been that person.

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Speaker 3: But you just rewarded with the all time leading scorer at Florida Mike, all time leading toucho receptions at Miami. So too, Florida boys go to different schools and set records.

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Speaker 6: Do yeah, ghetto congratulations.

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Speaker 4: I knew that.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I knew he was a bad hours said that you was killed him. This niggas, it was easy.

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Speaker 4: You got to consider you consider Florida. You ever considered Miami for college? So I went there.

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Speaker 9: That motherfucker took me to visit.

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Speaker 2: Got that. I'm glad you're saying that. You just said you was all state coming back? What that looked like?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you winding.

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Speaker 6: Up, Mike, the damn true.

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Speaker 4: Stand high school covered?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 4: I was at my best in high school.

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Speaker 6: I couldn't fun with him. He was no, he was no.

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Speaker 4: He really?

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Speaker 6: Do you get that kind of honesty from the old motherfucker.

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Speaker 8: Hospital saying I was, I didn't even sit here and lie.

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Speaker 6: But that's everybody.

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Speaker 5: She said it right though, Dion Bi rod Woods is William, all of them Hall of Fames. I went to all them gold jacks and my gold rings, all of them covering me.

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Speaker 4: They were all right there.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna make the church anyway.

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm talking about. You can cover me. That's what I'm you.

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Speaker 7: You went there, everybody, that's right, homie, that's what that's what that mother, that's right, the playmaker, that's right.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: You retired in ninety nine, three times Super Bowl champ, my Cowboys, five time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 3: And bit Ship says, but go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Don't take.

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Speaker 6: Depending.

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Speaker 4: It's like we're gonna you know, we don't get. We don't get. We're not going out like receipts, the number received.

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Speaker 5: Remember he who laughed last gonna laugh back. We're gonna put this right.

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Speaker 4: On the back.

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Speaker 6: That's what.

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Speaker 4: Back cup about that dude's always talk about.

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Speaker 5: Want to talk about do well they had won anything in the last thirty Like, dude, dude, do dou You can't.

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Speaker 4: Parcel out history.

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Speaker 6: You can't.

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Speaker 5: You just want to make it the last thirty years. You got to count the whole history.

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Speaker 4: Your story to the right.

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Speaker 6: Said it's history.

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Speaker 4: History is history. People want to make it. You're here, your story. You know it's history. History says all.

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Speaker 6: Of it, all of it. Where we've been, Come on, flip, they not do it. Y'all ran the nineties.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a not a fan, so you know I'm gonna talk ship with three Cowboy fans out here. But you guys have some legendary battles in caick and out in Dallas. What do you remember most about those matchups? Because normally they were title games to go to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let me tell you that, I think those were the greatest games that I've ever been with.

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Speaker 6: Those are better, respectfully better than the Super.

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Speaker 5: Bowl, right, those School twenty nine games, because those were dudes too though that I looked up to. I was with Daniel Cormier the other day last week doing an interview, right, and Daniel Cormier got a real thing with John Jones, right, I mean he refused to call John Jones the goat.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, dude, I think you're looking at it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Looking at it.

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Speaker 4: Nobody I understand that. I understand that.

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Speaker 5: But I just told him, like Listen, I considered Jared Rice the goat, called them Jesus in cleets.

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Speaker 4: I consider him.

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Speaker 5: The goat, and I put him up there well, the baddest man ever. But I tell Joe, as soon as you finished with that, Ian, right, you start.

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Speaker 6: With that and Michael, you see what I'm saying, you know, right behind the.

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Speaker 5: Way them up with them.

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Speaker 4: So I'm trying to try to up damn. Said Listen.

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Speaker 5: Man put George one where inside Jones the dn D. You see what I mean, that's the reality of it, man, Are you the bad You're bad man. You're a bad man. But I'm right behind you, and there's nothing to feel bad about it. Jared Wright played eighteen. I only really played nine. You got the same amount of rings I got mine in half the time.

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Speaker 6: See what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I was dealing in love.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not saying.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: The truth. He can't fight the truth.

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Speaker 3: I got a question before we kind of get out of this reminiscent space. I heard something the other day about someone you play with a defensive end that started with the niner went to y'all with the cowboys, and I heard some wild stuff.

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Speaker 6: What he used to do in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Chucky was the man Haley.

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Speaker 4: Charge Hale Man.

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Speaker 5: Chucky Charles Haley is his government name, Government Chucky, the doll that will kill you. Understand what I'm saying. Chucky is what we call him in the Logger Chucky and mug Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chuck, he's the one I told her.

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Speaker 4: He's the one that Now.

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Speaker 5: That's the one thing though, you know, right the dogs and back then too though that that's how you know they came out like that. You know you got people that were different off the field, but boy, on the football for different to everybody else.

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Speaker 4: And what different you know, you don't kind of dog man ve lo do stay game.

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Speaker 5: You know you have those dudes, And I think it's it's interesting because when people try to take that away from them, you cannot take it, like when you try to pull somebody back, like they can't tell you to.

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Speaker 4: Stop being you. It affects how you play the game. It affects you how you play the game.

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Speaker 5: And somebody said, man, you calm down right like that, dude, I need you to back the hell.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing what I gotta do. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: You gotta do what you gotta do. And everybody gets ready differently. So yeah, that's the important part right there. You do what you gotta do to get ready ready to go bust that butt.

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Speaker 6: Stack.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of found this media space. It wasn't playing for us. We didn't even consider it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just riding goattails And.

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Speaker 6: We didn't drug Max into it a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Did you know when you were done with the game that the media was where you wanted to go.

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Speaker 5: I was always going to be doing this, Yes, I you know, like you. When I went to Dallas. I wanted to go to Dallas. I graduated my junior year. Back when I graduated, you had to graduate early to go to the league.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't just oh really, yeah, yeah, you graduate to go to the lead.

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Speaker 5: But then I can control my draft because if team drafted me I didn't want to go to I could drop.

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Speaker 4: I could drop a class, pick back.

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Speaker 5: Up summer school, and they would lose the draftic so so I could so Like the Green Bay Packers called me at seventh, I was like, no.

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Speaker 6: I'm class. I'm gonna go back to school, right right, right right?

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Speaker 4: You picked me, Now are you gonna lose?

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Speaker 5: I'm graduate, darkest brother in the world, coming from the hottest city in the world of Florida. I'm not going all the way to Green Bay to catch are you joking? Especially back then they really weren't letting us in, if you know what I mean, rigid white team thing when he went to Green Bay. But before that it was a little bit different. So when they cost it, no, and then they drafted Sterling. But man, I've always when I majored in business BMO, business Management, organization, mining, Communications, I've always wanted to be there. Let me tell you why, because I see the game as the greatest thing in the world, the game of football, greatest game in the world. There's no such thing as individual success in football. Everything is interdependent and interconnected, and it mimics great organization, corporations, and family. That's what Everything is independent and connected. So if you can tell the stories of sports, you're helping all all of that on the outside. So while I've always wanted to be in the communication.

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Speaker 3: Is the origin of the name The White House. If you haven't seen the doc on Netflix, go check it out. It gives you more in depth. But give us just why you were able to carry that personal stuff and where you guys had a lot of fun.

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Speaker 6: You can explain some of that if you want to.

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Speaker 3: But then naming your show now that the world kind of you're welcome to the world in this space you name the show white House right now?

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Speaker 5: First of all, you do know when we did when they did The Dark the documentary, the most search word.

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Speaker 4: About the Netflix, it's the White House. Was it really the White House? Right? I thought that was just God.

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Speaker 3: Not the one on sixty Pennsylvania. This one was a different address, different as.

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Speaker 5: I said that that was a side of God. You gotta take what it that would make for evil, you know what I mean, take your make your greatest pain.

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Speaker 4: Part of your greatest frogles.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Oh you laugh that man, But put your I gate on here and send your checks with it. You see what I'm saying that That's how it worked out. It just two people, young man. I thought it was a rellion idea for a team to get any time. You know how much money we were wasting on hotels. I'm like, damn, let's wait, an, let's put all this together.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna get this house. And we got it all the time.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was basically putting together Love Island before Love Islandiary.

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Speaker 4: The White I.

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Speaker 5: Would just before my time, just before the White House was you know what I mean that that name the White House came. We were doing some things, all things that were going on, all people that weren't happened to be white. It's like a white house over here, you know, and it just kind of stuck with it to kind of man. So yeah, it was, yeah, well that thing right, But we had a situation room over office.

00:24:55
Speaker 4: All of it.

00:24:56
Speaker 6: It was going down. If the walls can talk over the.

00:25:00
Speaker 5: Office, over the office, right, that was wild.

00:25:14
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you so this true story too.

00:25:16
Speaker 5: I remember writing we were oh my god, if the movie had been out for a minute too.

00:25:22
Speaker 4: And I was headed to practice. I never forgot.

00:25:24
Speaker 5: I was head to practice, man, and I got a phone call.

00:25:26
Speaker 4: Looked down. There was a big cat let us, big cat. What's up? Man? He said, Man, you gotta shut her down? I said, what shut her down? You gotta shut down?

00:25:35
Speaker 7: Man?

00:25:36
Speaker 4: I said, what are you talking about? We've been infiltrated. Shut it down? You talking about the White House. I'm like, I just got all the phone.

00:25:48
Speaker 5: With the group coming over, like, yeah, I ain't shut down the white House.

00:25:53
Speaker 6: I ain't shutting down the Carter.

00:25:54
Speaker 4: You crazy, not the car, shut down the Carter. Keep crazy.

00:25:59
Speaker 5: Man three as a couple of but two weeks later, I'm in meetings man and Jerry comes up and says, they got.

00:26:06
Speaker 4: Jerry wants to see you.

00:26:08
Speaker 5: I been walking in that office man, Jerry said, Michael, their story is breaking right now about this uh something extra house all got called a white house? I said, ship shut her down? Told about shut her down like Nina and in that movie, Man didn't shut her down.

00:26:34
Speaker 4: Man, they got me on the run. Now that it was so fun, I couldn't do it though.

00:26:41
Speaker 1: That was.

00:26:43
Speaker 4: Strong enough. I was strong enough.

00:26:45
Speaker 3: So where did that conversation lead? I mean, obviously Jerry, you and Jerry got a good rapport.

00:26:49
Speaker 5: But he has you know, Jerry told me, Man, I swear, I promise you, I said, he said. He said, man, like you said, you know how I am. Don't just tell me the truth so I could help you. I can't help you if you don't give me the truth. Now, what what what's going on? I said, I was trying to do the wrong thing the right way. I did that right there. He started laughing. He said, I went to hell. Can I say to that?

00:27:23
Speaker 4: It was just I was trying to do the wrong thing the right way.

00:27:27
Speaker 5: I wanted to give us a place man, that we can say together and feel comfortable, you know, and everything. And man, I mean yeah. He asked where it is? I said, well, if you look at that one right.

00:27:46
Speaker 1: Say, look right over there.

00:27:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I had to go out there and shut it down.

00:27:54
Speaker 5: Let me tell you after we shut her all down, right, dude.

00:28:00
Speaker 4: I know Mike Rable going through it right now. I know where he is. I've been right there. I've been right there.

00:28:06
Speaker 5: I know what it's like to have to drive home when the story is breaking about a white House, not to walk in my house.

00:28:13
Speaker 4: I know what they're like.

00:28:14
Speaker 1: I would say, God, I can't come up with a counter that fast.

00:28:17
Speaker 4: Why you don't even know what.

00:28:21
Speaker 6: I was like? God?

00:28:24
Speaker 5: Oh mindylness. So yeah, so that was that was That's different boy, different going through that, right.

00:28:34
Speaker 2: The format of the other show, White House. You're doing with his knaves a little different than what you normally do in the past. You know, he spent fifteen years on the network, on the NFL network and you also work with Fox. Now you get to do it your way, right, how you feel right.

00:28:45
Speaker 6: And I love that.

00:28:46
Speaker 5: I love that because and not only that that we get to share it our way. People are receiving it a different way. You know, I've been you talked about I'm no traditional TV. And these are things that people will tell you don't ever bring up again, so you can't talk about it. But everybody every time you talk put in comments about it, right, So they're going to use that against you all the time to try to rattle you. Now when you say I'm not you talking about it. I'm talking about it. It takes all the power and you no longer again hurt me. See, we came up in a time, and I know where any mistakes discarded you from being a role model in any way, because you made a mistake, and we know everybody's going to make mistakes. I never understood this. I never understood it, but that's what it always was. You gotta be perfect to be a role model. But there is no such thing as perfect, you know, And the reality is this is what's going to lead the way. So so I don't want to hear from people. Don't tell me what you do not know. You can't take me where you did not go. If I have an issue, I want to hear from somebody that had any issue, not somebody that just read about how to handle an issue in the peace of paper in a book or something like that.

00:30:11
Speaker 4: I want to know what did you want?

00:30:12
Speaker 5: And that's why the word when it says confess you one to another, then pray you one for another.

00:30:18
Speaker 4: In this we should find healing.

00:30:19
Speaker 5: We're supposed to talk about all of our problems, all of our stuff. We'll realize we're all going through some of the same stuff, you know, and we can help each other come through it. But the world changes that. This space gives us fight back.

00:30:33
Speaker 1: And everybody God talked through was a troubled person.

00:30:36
Speaker 5: Right right right well that it has issues. They that behold needs not the great physician, but they that are sick. We are sick people.

00:30:47
Speaker 6: I don't understand.

00:30:48
Speaker 4: Nobody says.

00:30:50
Speaker 5: I go to church every Sunday just to get get it off men. So I started fresh week.

00:30:58
Speaker 4: All have musclet. That was a hard week. I was strong, but I wasn't hercules and I failed.

00:31:04
Speaker 6: Sometimes.

00:31:05
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, six me up again this week. Your head, that's for real. So it doesn't mean it means you got issues. It means you got issue. But everybody else does too. Rather than seeing it or.

00:31:18
Speaker 1: Not everything, we just real with ourselves over here and all the.

00:31:21
Speaker 5: Smoke right we we we we real and we can't hide it.

00:31:25
Speaker 4: I've been trying for a long time. I just fuck up every time.

00:31:28
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, It could only be you the owner mean nobody else.

00:31:33
Speaker 4: I've been trying for a long time. So I go solo now. I ain't gonna testify against.

00:31:38
Speaker 6: Me nobody can tell on you. You might tell.

00:31:47
Speaker 3: So you you've been able to build a show now that is that is you, unapologetically you. But you're also a brand in this new space that that that you're encompassing on you have your own production company, relationships and partnerships with Netflix. Does anything or are there any kind of guardrails or they understand that, Hey, this is who I'm gonna be, this is what you're gonna get, and they're gonna love it.

00:32:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and that's what I love the fact that they've seen, well, they produced it, their stuff. They know that didn't make the doc.

00:32:20
Speaker 5: So I don't want to hear if they ever coming said, well, Michael, stop gugging around. You knew what you signed up like you didn't know from BITFA, don't mess around you know.

00:32:31
Speaker 4: But but but there is a piece to that.

00:32:33
Speaker 5: There's a piece to that when you're working with people that know all of you and accept all of you like what you guys doing here, it's a piece. There's no we were made to feel ashamed and all of that for your mistakes or your bad decisions or whatever. When the reality is, let's use them and these these these these gives us opportunities to use them and don't run from them and talk about them.

00:32:58
Speaker 4: And I just love that. Man. I love this space and now and what we're able to do it.

00:33:03
Speaker 3: And I think to that point, I think people and I've done it. I know Jack's done it. Like our mistakes. First of all, you can't hire our mistakes. But I feel like every time I speak on some shit that's happened in my life, I'm helping so many other people too, because obviously we're, like I said, similar people on different levels, just going through the same shit. So if I can help you, or you can give me something that you've been through that can help me.

00:33:23
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what this shit is about.

00:33:25
Speaker 4: Anyway, it gives you peace about them more bad decisions.

00:33:28
Speaker 6: You Man, I'm not the only one now it.

00:33:29
Speaker 4: Has something to it that's been back, you know what I mean.

00:33:32
Speaker 5: I can I can help somebody because you live with the regret of it, like I live with regret it now. I should have won three straight national championship, five straight Super Bowls, Man, I have just left a.

00:33:42
Speaker 4: Few of them along.

00:33:43
Speaker 5: I could have done all of that, you know what I mean? But any time I wasn't strong enough. But you know, so I deal with that in my own mid you know. And I've been trying to tell the young when I'm in Miami, like, listen, man, all that stuff gonna still be there. I'm telling you, you know, you focus on this right here, that stuff for gonna that that's what That's what helps me. I have so many regrets and I ended up in Championship Lane a lot.

00:34:13
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine.

00:34:14
Speaker 5: What guys that have never heard and on, you know, I can't even imagine the kind of regrets they have. But but all of that stuff, man, think about dude, I.

00:34:23
Speaker 4: Couldn't miss it.

00:34:24
Speaker 5: Like right now, I'm thinking, like why it has such a pull on that I had to get out.

00:34:29
Speaker 4: I had to beat up.

00:34:29
Speaker 6: It's amazing, man, getting out that ship.

00:34:32
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you, I'm just getting out that ship rightmay boy.

00:34:36
Speaker 5: I was talking about that yesterday, right because I was with Malak Tony in Miami and this kid eighteen nineteen. I said, man, the way I was that mature at eighteen nineteen. As a matter of fact, I'm not that much just different, man.

00:34:57
Speaker 4: I didn't have that.

00:35:00
Speaker 9: Home by twenty two episodes since January that's a grind. Now we know that's a grind. Shooting that often, how are you going to keep each conversation fresh and making sure every's sit down and so authentic?

00:35:13
Speaker 5: And that's the key word, Yes, last word. It's the most important word. And that's why I think this thrives.

00:35:23
Speaker 1: I like.

00:35:25
Speaker 5: I call it the steam room stuff, the things that I after my workout I'm going to take in in the steaming room and break down, you know what I mean.

00:35:33
Speaker 4: Stuff stuff like that.

00:35:35
Speaker 5: I love focusing on what it takes to be the best, you know, in the grind, always trying to be the best, that's what. And being authentic. There's this study I was just showing. I was just reading and it talks about what we immunate from our bodies. You know, the strongest thing that imunates from our bodies. It's not love. And everybody that you asked and said, oh.

00:36:01
Speaker 4: It's love is love.

00:36:02
Speaker 5: It's not love. It's authenticity. There's something too you being absolutely you, since there is no other you in the world, and that immunis it comes off you. What flows out you's your influence determines how much influence you got, you know, how it comes out I think, are you being sincere with who you are? People picked that up, cameras picked that up when I was doing The Lone As Y'ard with Adam Sandler, and I ain't never done any movie, you know, I'll never forget what he said to me. I said, Okay, let me try. Let me take some I work with a with a coach because no, he said, no, he said, don't don't worry with the coach. He said, don't worry. Just coming, you've gone through it all. Just feel the moment, authentically feel the moment. The camera does the rest. You ain't got a facial expression, I'm man, you got to do just be mad and the camera picks it up. Authenticity is so strong. That's what this gives. Just what he talked about, and that's what makes this space. And you can never run out of that. The world gives us so many stories each and every day. The sports world gives us so many stories. And now we're mixing sports and culture, you know what I mean. So now we get to talk about what everybody else is talking about.

00:37:29
Speaker 4: That you'll never run out of it. You'll never run out of content. Stories.

00:37:34
Speaker 3: Well, right around the corner from a special day the draft starts Thursday. Top five picks are projected to be Fernando Mendoza, ar now Ree, David Bailey, Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson. Your Cane's got a first hand look at the future. Number one pick, Fernando Mendoza. What are your thoughts on him as a quarterback?

00:37:52
Speaker 4: Now? I like man, I like him.

00:37:54
Speaker 5: I was trying to and it took me a while, took my wile in the pain and get to it. But you know that was a shot, right right, shoe. I'm dealing with the therapist. I'm gonna deal with her because it took a minute. But now I can say I can look back now and say, okay, I want a little I mean Fernando, he is from Miami, even though Miami didn't win, but he is from Miami, you know, so I claimed, we claim his homeboy, you know what I mean. Yeah, he wasn't on that day that game I wanted, you know, but that's okay, you home boy. So I'm for him, and I think he's going to be a hell of a pro and I think it sets up great for him in and Raiders. With the Raiders, you got Tom with Tom Brady, there. You got Kirk cousin there now, and and I'm gonna tell you some boy they got a tight end the truth boy. Hey boy, hey hey hey hey, white boy with some brother as a white brother was as a white brother. That boy, that bad boo is no joke. So he'll he'll I think he'll do real good. I like to see Clink. Kobe Act's a great offensive coordinator. He had some dealings with Kirk Cousins. But I think Kurtill take the first four or five game, but after that.

00:39:17
Speaker 6: That's what I was gonna ask. And I don't mean to interrupt.

00:39:19
Speaker 3: I mean it used to be a time where the top quarterback will come in and learn a little bit and I can sports across the board.

00:39:25
Speaker 6: You're thrown right in the fire.

00:39:27
Speaker 3: Is this situation a little different with someone like Tom Brady who's been through that kind of wait my turn type situation, and then Kirk Cousins, who's someone who's been proven.

00:39:35
Speaker 6: Do you throw then Thoz in the fire right away?

00:39:37
Speaker 3: Or do you allow him a few games to kind of learn that you know the dudes and don'ts and then throw him in there.

00:39:42
Speaker 5: I would to protect him, to protect him in to make sure his intro is like if Kirk Cousins, I would start Kirk Cousins just to see, Okay, So if things go bad, if things go bad, now, Fernando comes in. Whatever he's doing for right it is a star right now because of Kirk. Kurt's playing, Kirk Couzins playing, and we're losing games. I always call that a lose lose. We're losing games and we're gonna lose him next year. So to lose lose now, if I'm gonna lose these games, and then I go to Fernando, Fernando comes in. I'm no longer in lose lose state. Even if I'm losing the game, I'm winning with the experience that he needs, you see, So it changes the perspective. I just want the audience. I want the fan base to receive them. So let Kirk mess up and then he comes in as a savior around six game, sixteen to seven. Everybody just boy, they just happy to see whatever growth he'll have, and that'll give it a different perspective.

00:40:47
Speaker 4: So yeah, I love it. I love it.

00:40:49
Speaker 5: I want I can't wait to see it. I can't wait to see how he handles it. Now, you know, he's been in college a few years, so he's a little older.

00:40:57
Speaker 4: Than most young guys coming out.

00:40:59
Speaker 5: And they do that now because the salary cap they get there trying to catch a quarterback and get a super Bowl with him in the first four or five years before they got to pay him sixty seven a year, he's going to take up twelve, thirteen to fourteen percent of that cap. So you gotta you get a young guy, get out there, Get out there right now.

00:41:18
Speaker 4: We need to go because we're paying all these other guys.

00:41:21
Speaker 5: And then as soon as you get there, you're going to be taking a lot of money off that cap. That's why they force him to play right now.

00:41:28
Speaker 2: That the Browns handle should do it. Right to you, I'm happy you're talking about handling. I'm happy that they're handling the way that because you do right now. Feels like he's the guy in Cleveland.

00:41:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, you feel that even with Deshaun Watson and Todd Munk and who's come over now, he's he's you know, you staw that first interview he said, well, I tried.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: To draft I try to draft it. Yeah, that's what you want to tell your quarterback.

00:41:50
Speaker 5: Hey, tell him, I would saying, do y'all know, y'all know I'm talking about them.

00:41:55
Speaker 4: Do y'all know that means to have your coach come.

00:41:58
Speaker 5: To you with everything, stuff like that, everything I do everything, and that little statement give me the difference between your career and.

00:42:07
Speaker 1: Not having accomplishments.

00:42:08
Speaker 6: The room even smiling.

00:42:09
Speaker 5: Since that day, Since that day, Jimmy Johnson didn't say. We had just lost Eddie Brown and Stanley Shakespeare. And I was studying one night man over at the Heck Center Man and Jimmy walked by and Jimmy, I know if Jimmy's looking at the room as coach, Mike, that's you. I said, yeah, coach, he said, he he said, everybody wondering what Miami gonna do next year? Eddie Brown, Stanley shakes but gone, he said, wait that showing Mike curvein way out.

00:42:44
Speaker 1: You gotta go. You're ready to go, Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

00:42:47
Speaker 5: I tell you your stone with running, man, I'm killing what I'm killed eating of them. Man, dude, it's just a whole different thing. It takes you to that level when order coach. And that's what he did with with with your door coming off, what your door had dealt with all last year, so this that to be able to have that, I think, I think you.

00:43:09
Speaker 6: Mind clear your career.

00:43:12
Speaker 1: What's that that major gave you that feeling?

00:43:14
Speaker 9: Ship my high school coach, I got my college coach.

00:43:19
Speaker 1: God blessed moments like that with them.

00:43:21
Speaker 6: Rudy T.

00:43:22
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, Rdy T let me do any damn thing I won't. He just say, motherfucker, just don't get kicked out. That's what he's just like. He let me go though. That's why I was able to play and do what I did. When I was playing with the Rockets, I felt like it was my best years. But yeah, Rudy T let.

00:43:38
Speaker 6: Me go you Nelly, Nelly, Yeah me too.

00:43:41
Speaker 3: Nelly was the first one, and I know you can play out there and play all right, let's go.

00:43:47
Speaker 6: He's a lot.

00:43:47
Speaker 3: But I want to say we talked about this for someone else though, like understanding what those words from the coach means. It's almost like that it's like a father being proud of you, but it's at a different level, like your coach believes in you can't ship get in your way.

00:43:58
Speaker 9: What was gonna see from my boys this year?

00:44:00
Speaker 4: Man?

00:44:00
Speaker 5: Come on, I believe and I'm serious that this could be the year with with what we every year, but this year we got something. We got the beginning of something. All we need to do now is tap in. And I want what I want Dallas to do in this draft is we we hate them, but we're still a little page from them.

00:44:23
Speaker 4: And that's the Eagles. What do the Eagles do?

00:44:26
Speaker 5: One thing they do that I love is they draft a lot of dudes from Georgia Bulldog right, and they and they put them on a team together. And those guys have already had some kindering spirits playing together at Georgia. I just need the Cowboys to do the same thing with Miami. Get me the two defensive ends a Keen Masterdoor and Ruben Bank and then get me Keyante in the back with Jacoba in the back. And I'm telling you those four right there will be over. It'll be over. Dallas can put up forty points a game and in that defense, just lock in.

00:45:10
Speaker 4: It will be quite dear.

00:45:12
Speaker 5: This is all about, you know, especially now with George Pickens in this offense being what it is, and you go get a guy like Ruben Bain and everybody's talking about Ruby Bain may fall to Dallas.

00:45:24
Speaker 4: At twelve, I told people that, I told Ruben, you don't fall to Dallas. Land in Dallas. That's if that ain't changed when you land in Dallas.

00:45:38
Speaker 5: So if they can, if Dallas can do that, and I love I love the new defensive coordinator, this will be a hell of a year. I would have a year. I believe this. I may end up having a year when you see a lot of BTA, a lot of belt to ass I mean the one defeated in Miami and win a championship and then certainly being a super Bowl in Dallas.

00:46:02
Speaker 4: In all the way you go see my black aas right.

00:46:08
Speaker 1: Right.

00:46:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a wrap for today, my government, Thank you very much.

00:46:16
Speaker 1: Moment to the family whome Wow welcome.

00:46:22
Speaker 6: That's a rap fron plug.

00:46:23
Speaker 3: You can catch us on all the Smoke Productions YouTube and the DraftKings Network. Make sure you check out The White House exclusively on Netflix. See y'all next week.