Ep. 290: WTF! These New Truck Trends Suck!

[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I think it's finally time to actually vent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get some stuff off our chests here about pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the things with trucks that boil our breaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like what grinds my gears.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what we say on the Carish podcast, which is not something that we came up with.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you didn't want to steal our segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's different branding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Branding gears.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can talk about that on Karish, which is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really boiling breaks because it's an alliteration.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, we see a lot of semi trucks really cooking their breaks on the, you know, in the, in the mountains on the I gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought it was appropriate to boil some breaks here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it, it's a good name for a segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be the topic of today, but even before we get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rapidfire news is a little bit of news to talk about, which is another segment that's branded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rapidfire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So producer Cole, with so we, Roman was in the mountains, actually near the eye gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was in Silverthorn and Dillon area, and he saw some pre-production prototypes testing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some GM HD trucks testing big doolees pulling a lot of weights and it's hard to tell exactly how much they're pulling because they've got as we can see in this photo, a sizable big text trailer with another doole on the back of it as well as underneath that doole several steel plates of unknown weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we just published this video recently this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can check it out at all tfl.com or tfl.com website.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are some commenters, thank you for commenting right away, who said those steel plates are unpredictable, because they could weigh, you know, five thousand pounds or more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're really pushing these tracks really, really heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're certainly pulling a lot of weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about this in the past, but the manufacturers and the engineers and people doing R and D on these pickup trucks, they do use the I gotlet to do some testing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how we ended up running into these guys as they were pulling these trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, they're not going to tell us exactly what it is that they're testing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's also people who think that they called us and said, come on, bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're testing some stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so Roman spends a lot of his weekends up and down in that area.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to condo and keystone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's up there a lot of weekends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see a lot of vehicles testing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, they did not call us because they don't care for us to
[SPEAKER_00]: to speculate at all and also they don't want necessarily to make this public yet I mean they're not ready right so so they're not calling us also Jen and I were doing a video last week we did lovelin trials which is our electric vehicle test where we actually don't quite use the i gauntlet highway i-seventy we go up straight over lovelin pass and we saw Porsche was testing there
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of German manufacturers, and it looked like some of them were hybrids or even electric cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, the electric cars don't care about elevation, but still some real world testing is important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and anybody that lives around Summit County, Colorado would be able to confirm that there are camouflage vehicles up there testing all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: constantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not all the time that we see trucks that are testing up there and that's one of the things that we get most excited about seeing, especially when they're doing a big towing test.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, we're not the only people that do truck testing on the hike.
[SPEAKER_00]: but also before we get to stuff that really boils over eggs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think so the rumor is and it's mostly started by me because of the source we had year and a half ago mentioning this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unconfirmed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think really eight point three leaders?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that's possible?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they'll go there?
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a big displacement motor.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is big displacement.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is pretty
[SPEAKER_01]: extreme.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, uh, we just bought a first generation Dodge Viper, which is an eight liter later versions of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a point three and a point four leaders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then, you know, that would be about as big of an engine as it really unheard of in any production vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not completely unheard of.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that they would potentially go to such a higher displacement is because power density on diesel engines now that are making a thousand pound feet of torque or more, nine seventy five in the GM trucks with Dermax and closing in on, you know, five hundred horsepower, that power density makes it difficult
[SPEAKER_01]: for those engines to pass emissions.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they make it bigger displacement, it could be a little more understressed and potentially be an easier vehicle to get through emissions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would make sense for them to move to a bigger displacement engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've as well heard some rumors about potentially a seven point two liter commons.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people are mentioning it in the comments of our video.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could happen sometime in the next couple of years, at least according to some rumors.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be pretty badass to have a seven or an eight liter diesel truck in the modern age.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what's happened in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not even that far off of seven leaders now.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, you know, GM used to have not for a few years, but they used to have an eight point one leader, eight point one leader, big block gas V-eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: In their suburbans, heavy duty suburbans, a lot of their heavy duty pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not really uncommon either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty five hundred avalanche that you need to buy with an eight point one.
[SPEAKER_00]: With an eight point one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so and of course David's our friend David's favorite displacement is a four fifty four cubic inch which is also a pretty sizable about a seven and a half years seven and a half liter type engine so that's not unheard of so I'm looking forward to that it's true so there's potential eight point three liter seems like a big leap up from six point six but I wouldn't be upset about it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also they don't change their engines that often.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've talked about this in previous episodes too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it takes, and if you look at the styling of these trucks, if you show some of the fronts, uh, call, for example, like of the black truck that's pulling it or this white, uh, GMC, the styling doesn't look any different, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, they're not going to change their trucks that often, but sometimes they might change their engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you never know, these could be mechanically even very similar to the current crop of trucks that we already have and they're just testing some new emissions controls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some new.
[SPEAKER_01]: So might be I'm barking up the wrong tree or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it is fun to dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I'm not sure that, well, I say this, sounds like a crazy thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that Diesel's need to get that much more powerful than they already are.
[SPEAKER_01]: If there is such a thing as enough power, which is debatable, these trucks probably already have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have a couple points to make before we really get to stuff that really bothers us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, climbing the grade, seven percent grade that I gauntlet at high elevation, you see semi trucks that have a lot of torque in power too, going to twenty five miles an hour with eighty thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: These trucks that were seeing the spy images of they're pulling maybe thirty thousand, let's say, maybe thirty five, we've done this also.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're moving at about forty to forty five miles an hour up this mountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an extreme case, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a unique environment, but a lot of people do this for work, you know, they're carry heavy loads.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would want to go sixty, like ideally speaking, like I know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, safety is very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to go sixty down the mountain necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I actually want to stay with traffic, be safe, with a heavy load.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think maybe that's the only place where fair extra power is needed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then scratch that last point, more power is always better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It cannot come at the expense of efficiency or reliability, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first point that really boils my breaks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is reliability.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it boils a lot of people's breaks also out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, for example, people bring up the transmission.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime you're talking about a high horsepower, high torque diesel truck or pickup truck, people say, well, what about the transmission?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to last?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to handle all that torque?
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially pulling thirty forty thousand pounds behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's a great point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know how expensive those transmission can be read to repair, to rebuild.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think those transmissions are at least
[SPEAKER_00]: understood by those specialists, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You could actually take it, let's say it's out of warranty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could take it to a shop, a diesel specialist, they know, they can replace your torque converter, they can replace some seals, they actually know how to get you back on the road in the reasonable, without spending, you know, a really high amount of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what about other components?
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, we had an issue where we dinged one of our side mirrors.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what really boiled my brakes is that something is simple as a crack and a window in the mirror, a glass and a casing of that mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said, we'll just replace the whole mirror, first of all, because replacing parts could be more time consuming or maybe more difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or even just not possible if they don't offer the specific parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was, I mean, we're showing it on the screen right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had, what is it, twelve hundred thirteen hundred dollars for one mirror?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: To get replaced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is more and more common, especially in this day and age, where mirrors are power folding, their power adjustment, sometimes on both portions of the mirror, the regular glass in the convex.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have lights, lights built into them, turn signals, illumination, you know, underneath the door, camera systems that are integrated into them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense that they're more expensive to replace than an old school mirror that was just a plastic housing around.
[SPEAKER_01]: With a mirror.
[SPEAKER_01]: A mirror element in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even heated elements in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, blinds but monitoring signals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some trucks even have like an exterior temperature sensor is in the mirror rather than on another portion of the truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, some of these mirrors are very, very complicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, we haven't experienced this directly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do own several new vehicles as well as used ones, like you mentioned before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for example, replacing a new LED headlamp or fixing it or replacing a new LED tail lamp.
[SPEAKER_00]: God forbid, that's could be thousands of dollars of different replacing what you would think would be a simple component which used to be a light bulb that you insert into a housing that costs like I don't know, four, five, ten dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, could cost you thousands of dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: When some of the fancy tailgates that are around now that open three different ways, some of them have speakers built into them and all kinds of electronics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously a lot of damp and tailgates, which break and tailgate doesn't necessarily mean you're going to break the dampers, but some tailgates that can also power close themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: As things get more complicated and a lot of times admittedly nicer to use, they are also going to be more expensive to replace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Colin and I are pretty sure Colin were kind of talking about this in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like actually some older vehicles, some parts may be harder to find.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say if you have a truck over older than thirty years and it's not a desirable classic, you might have trouble finding a certain switch or a part
[SPEAKER_00]: sometimes you know maybe you could three different something yourself if you're you know so inclined but you know it's not sometimes easy to replace something on a used vehicle and also a brand new one could be very pricey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and sometimes it takes a while to even get those parts in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that can be a pain point for a lot of people with brand new vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of want to bridge off of that for one of the things.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that boils my breaks a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm as much of an enthusiast of older vehicles as at least anybody here at TFL.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tommy and I, we run the classic channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I spent a good portion of my time here at work, driving older vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, all day, yesterday from one PM to about six, thirty PM, I was driving the nineteen ninety-four Dodge Viper.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I dislike you for this because I want to drive it too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spending all day in that car was genuinely a highlight of the five plus years that I've been working here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of my favorite things I've done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got, I got roasted in the sun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't burn too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, no roof on the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was getting cooked and also the heat pouring off of that motor was insane though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I had traded a whole bunch of things yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but it was a hundred degrees yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was cooking, but having a lot of fun driving that car because I love old school vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love classics.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have my twelve-hour commons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same year as that Viper in nineteen ninety four and I love older trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love older vehicles in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I own and I'm I don't regret that for a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things that even for me at times boils my brakes is people people knocking new trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very pricey to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: They feel very overcomplicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of chimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's screens.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's buttons that used to be physical controls.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they're integrated in the screens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like we were just talking about can be more expensive to repair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you can't knock the performance in the comfort and the capability of brand new trucks because anytime we get into one of the brand new diesels that we're telling or even the F-one-fifty that we just bought something around that size or help midsize trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's unbelievable how capable they are, how powerful, comfortable, how much you can tow behind a midsize truck now versus an HD truck thirty years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: or even mid-sized trucks, or they're not to the point that HD trucks were at thirty years ago, but- But they're getting closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're getting closer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like, what's- There's the tow rating on our F-M-F-M-F-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M
[SPEAKER_01]: And I I love to end with my truck that especially that that twelve-out of Cummins when you hook up a load like that behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It likes the motorists thing and it's it's happy as can be but the rest of the truck as far as the steering the braking how refined the like a brake controller is all of that you know quietness comfort
[SPEAKER_01]: In my HD truck that's thirty years old versus that F-one fifty we have in a lot of ways at F-one fifty you could you could argue toes objectively better so new trucks do a lot of things really well so I don't really like just the the blanket writing off of brand new trucks
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I couldn't agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm you surprised me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could understand people not wanting to spend the money on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in that camp too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have eighty thousand dollars, which seems to be the average now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know his truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, desirable like cool new truck on it on a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also I'm not going to say that they're all they're all trash because they're expensive and they're expensive to repair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brand new trucks do their thing and they do it well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think there's been some bad news out there lately, you know, with some recalls and some, you know, engine failures from multiple manufacturers, transmission issues with multiple manufacturers, and usually when you go on a forum, there's sometimes there's a person there who says, I just bought a truck and I'm so happy it's the best vehicle I've ever owned, you know, I'm very proud.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's very few of those messages.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot more messages are, I just went to the dealer for the third time this week, I'm having an issue with my truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to find those messages and I think it kind of amplifies some of that negativity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because especially most people that are happy with their vehicle, they're not going on a forum, they'll be like, I need to tell the whole world about how... How amazing my truck is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how much of just a regular experience it's been having this truck because of just every morning fires up and does exactly what I expect it to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not really breaking news.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you might be, yeah, you might be hearing a lot more voices that are talking about the terrible things that are happening to them than the voices of people that are buying new trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, and I would point some people to some of the sales reports that we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we do on our website, tfltrag.com, we do quarterly reports because we want to keep up with the industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the pickup truck sales and also big SUV sales, which are truck-based, expeditions, tacos, wagoniers, all those are growing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not sliding down, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going downhill.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's more and more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the fleetsail, some of it are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of new people are getting into pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting more comfortable, like you were saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're driving a thirty-year-old truck, it's probably they seeming I'd be working quite nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It may be hot, it's very loud sometimes, there's creeks and noises.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're working from your truck on the phone call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you're on the business call.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want all those elements, you know, bombarding you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So new trucks are actually quite popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and for good reason they do a lot of things well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not saying that you need to go take your classic or older truck that you love and trade it out for a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you just, you can't write off new trucks completely because they do a lot of things really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish just getting back closing the statement about repairability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the right to repair, I think, is very important.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you and I are both like, I love doing some stuff with my hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the stuff we do is either driving or typing on the computer, keyboard, you know, doing editing or new stories and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really love just doing something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I built the mud flaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: The stone stoppers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just I know they're kind of, you know, not so good, but I really loved actually working with my hands and even with my son, right, and my daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to do that to my track, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was excited about Slate.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, the new Slate company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, trucker, you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could not fly yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, right, there's exposed bolts.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not rocket science.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could swap parts and add something new to it and really repair it and correct it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, or make it nicer, make it, you know, whatever your style is, I really psyched about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah so some developments like that in the industry maybe trying to move trucks towards being a little bit more serviceable by the consumer would be cool that'd be cool thing to see more of but again as far as performance and capability goes and comfort new trucks they there are objectively good okay let me do a new a new item maybe
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, we kind of talked about mirrors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to keep harping on mirrors too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: But new track style, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's talk about, I'm going to pick on GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Cole, if you can bring up that general motors picture again from what we had before, like one of those, where you can see the wheel well.
[SPEAKER_00]: GM's been doing this for a long, oh multiple issues here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at this track.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, squared off wheel arches.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about style, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And relatively small proportionally speaking, tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which makes sense on a towing rig.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be fighting here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't want forties on it on a truck that's designed to tow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I get what you're saying, especially as big as trucks are now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are at times more basic specs of trucks where
[SPEAKER_01]: The vehicle has gotten so big and a lot of that comes down to styling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not necessarily even that the wheels and tires are small, but we've made headlights huge, grills, huge bumpers, huge hoods, incredibly tall, emblems big.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so because of the way that the truck has styled, it makes what is realistically a normal size wheel tire package look proportionally tiny to the rest of the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a little shopping cart, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like caster is on a shopping cart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe that's a little extreme.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little ball of pap wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm picking on GM, but, you know, there's method of the madness a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then let's say you want to turn your heavy duty truck in a little bit more capable of fritter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you go out there, you find maybe a different wheel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a thirty seven, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to put thirty seven on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some rubbing issues because the wheel arch is squared off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're putting a circle inside of a square.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I can understand it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the squared off wheel arch is at times create some extra wheel gap that can be on slightly versus if it were just around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wheel arch.
[SPEAKER_01]: The the squared off wheel arch is that GM does on a lot of their trucks, but right now we're kind of focusing on HD trucks a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is it's not my least favorite thing in the whole truck industry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also not my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as far as truck styling goes, I also have kind of a related... Yeah, do you want to do your item now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Boils my brakes, and its visibility out the front of HD trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as time goes on, gotta make the trucks look bigger and more masculine, more extreme, and now, especially... Cool, there's a truck that I think is the worst offender of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a recent ram comes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cole, can you bring up one of the common stories that we've done recently?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they call this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's called the sport hood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which it is funny because this sport hood is on the rebel and on the power wagons of both the off-road trims.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also it's available as an option in other trims.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get that on other trims.
[SPEAKER_01]: But both of the off-road trims come with this hood that has an extra hood bump in the middle just for looks.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing else underneath that extra hood bump.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could kind of see it on this white heavy-duty rebel track.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, by the way, the Chevy Silverado also have kind of, well, actually a functional hood scoop, but also kind of a bulge and a tall hood that's quite difficult to look over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for does as well, every HD truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: is I think much more difficult to look down out of the front of than they used to be back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the time that's not a huge deal, it's not like it's a big enough hood bulge that typically make a car in front of you disappear out of your line of sight.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you are navigating either a rough road, a fire road, or an actual off road trail, you see almost nothing that you're trying to drive over.
[SPEAKER_01]: the hood blocks the obstacles on a trail in front of you say like fifteen feet yeah fifteen twenty feet depends on the truck a little bit
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time you're actually rolling over these things on the trail, it was so long ago that that was visible from over top of your hood that you don't know where it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't remember exactly what it is that you're about to roll over.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't have a front camera system, which I don't really like to be dependent on, and some of these trucks just don't have it period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you have a front camera system, which also even if you do have flattens everything out, they're just bad on trails.
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: HD trucks are not meant to be off-roaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we've got the image they project.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've got some rugged trims, which I appreciate, because sometimes we need to tow on some pretty rough roads.
[SPEAKER_01]: So having a locker, having a slightly more aggressive tire in a bit of extra clearance helps us out sometimes, even when we're not trying to go hit a trail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we take these trucks of Moab to see what their limitations are.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for just general usability, visibility out of the front of modern HD trucks especially has just gotten so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think it's kind of evident whenever we do an Alfred video because usually we're driving and we're speaking to the camera or we're speaking to whoever is presenting with us, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes I have to stop speaking because I need to remember what's in front of me and actually as you're moving on the trail, you have to pick a line, especially on a difficult trail like red cone, you know, or some others that we sometimes go on, you have to actually
[SPEAKER_00]: Focus, I mean, you have to be really involved in driving, instead of maybe talking, maybe observing some scenery, yeah, and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it seems like the visibility out of the front of these trucks has not been prioritized whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's also in every day driving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you're coming out of an alley, maybe a narrow street, maybe it's an intersection, also sideways visibility can be blocked by those big towing mirrors, right, especially in the GM maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you need the towing mirrors when you've got a wide trailer behind you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at least there's some function that's being traded there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But out at the front end, these tall
[SPEAKER_01]: tall grills, tall hoods, that's mostly just styling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because if you open them, well, maybe on some of the diesels, those engine bays are full.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other consideration that I was remember talking to a rod romaine when he was a ram, Cummins engineer for their diesel pickup trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him talking about how big the radio has to be in order to, you know, comply with all the towing cooling needs and all the heavy horsepower and torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does it need to be five feet tall?
[SPEAKER_00]: According to Rod, yes!
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: The width of it matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why you see those wide grills, especially on GM.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could see how wide that front end is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the headlamps are really on the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the engineer wants to make the radio as big as a billboard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the designer wants to somehow accommodate it into the styling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the two are kind of fighting each other a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, stuff like this is not the end of the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I said, I still really like new trucks a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just because of visibility at the front end of a lot of modern HE trucks is poor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean I dislike them at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's one of those things that I don't really want to see any element of a truck get worse over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a solution that all manufacturers can use.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do cabovers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be extreme.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just look at the lot of the failed manufacturers out there canoe had a cab over the show and that took them really far.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tello truck is a miniature little pickup with, you know, not a lot of her area.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's something there because if you driving the city a lot and you don't need a lot of the towing capability, I would say get a smaller vehicle also.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if you need to make it a cab over, but if you're going to make an off-road trim of an HD truck, why put an extra completely non-functional hood bulge?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ram, we're looking at you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's specifically a shot across the ball and Ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're looking at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's cool from the outside, from the inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, it's cool until you figure out it doesn't do anything and then you get behind the seat and you think, oh, cool, there's an extra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and another thing that it does, sometimes it reflects sunlight directly into your eyeball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right off that hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right comes in directly into your eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, could be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that boils our breaks pretty heavily.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how you sew.
[SPEAKER_00]: So another item that's kind of boiling my breaks, and we talked about styling, oh, actually this doesn't quite boil my breaks, get them warm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: is people love afro-trims.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are talking about this now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cole, can you pull up my tundra?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dirty pro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool afro-trim, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought an older model with a V-eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: People usually, I've never heard this in some of the reviews or long-term updates from other, a lot of other channels and outlets, is shocks which are very fancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about sometimes foxes or billstimes or many other very, very fancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also DSS fees and GMs, they need rebuilding.
[SPEAKER_00]: so it's a consumable item like a lot of people disregard the shock as just a thing that's there you know you may not care it's there you know sometimes it makes the right a little bit harsh or maybe a little bit soft but I noticed you know a little while away you know character of my tundra and also I noticed it leaking actually shock fluid so
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's expensive to rebuild them and you sometimes have to do them like often like every fifty thousand miles sometimes for some of them and depends on how you're using the truck if you're doing a lot of washboard desert running yeah it could be it could be every year going to go through those seals quicker yeah yeah but I like a shock that's rebuildable
[SPEAKER_01]: fixable yeah absolutely that's a nice thing and yeah it's it's definitely an important piece of maintenance our our intern Gavin has a Tacoma second gen Tacoma that I don't think there's anything left in his shocks over there I think they're just hollow metal tubes
[SPEAKER_01]: So I believe it he was saying that his truck wasn't rotten too well and and he was just rocket you come up to it He's describing the issue he said you hit a bump and you continue to feel that bump until you reach your destination That's probably a shock problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say yeah, and I I said if your truck is just constantly porpoising down the highway You might want to hook some shocks on it
[SPEAKER_00]: My tundra wasn't porpicing all the way down the highway, but even you know, cold, has your in my track, you recently drove my track a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes not always, but sometimes especially going over like a speed bump, you could just feel it's kind of loose, you know, just kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: feels tighter than my second gen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's senior.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a total.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of refined.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a high.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a hot take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we ever had one.
[SPEAKER_01]: If there is such a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's as tighter than a second gen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a PSA, you know, we need to talk more about rebuilding our shocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, especially like in the high performance vehicles, you know, you're paying a lot for your Ford Raptors, you know, your ZR-IIs, your, you know, your T-R-X's, you know, R-H-O's, all those trucks cost a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you drive it for three, four years, you're like, something is not quite right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those bits of maintenance are hugely important.
[SPEAKER_01]: That, bushings, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what really boils my brakes is not that I have to rebuild it, is that people don't talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what boils my brakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not talked about a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best avenues to go for sending in your shocks to get rebuilt and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it'd be a good thing to talk about more.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your next thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next thing that boils my breaks is a big one, and it's one that we hear a lot, because Andre, especially he gets recognized as a ton of airports.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we talk to a bunch of people, we ask them about what vehicles and what trucks they drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we hear a lot of people's stories, and because of that, because of that amount of interaction, interaction with people online through comments, through emails, but running into people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please do more of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have heard
[SPEAKER_01]: so many anecdotes anecdotes about what truck is reliable and what truck is not what truck is good and what truck is bad and somebody will walk up and they'll say I've I had I had seven f-one f-one f-one f-tees and they all needed their motors replaced before they had ten miles on the odometer and I think Man, that's a bummer life over exaggeration maybe
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just, I could find, I could find somebody out there that's got an anecdote to tell you how much of either a piece of garbage or a high mileage hero just about any truck is.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are, statistically, there are trucks or engines or parts that break more often than others.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of people will have one experience or their coworkers, fiancees, in laws, cousins, brothers, uncle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I know that person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've got a truck that failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm never going to buy one of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough, if you have a bad experience with a particular vehicle, I wouldn't, or should anybody expect you to go out and do it again, but to write off vehicles completely based on an anecdote because you know somebody or heard about somebody that had this of that issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't think it's as good of information as a lot of times people treat it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, I could find somebody out there who sent us an email telling, if you say I had one of these trucks in a broke and it was a hunk of garbage and I had this truck and it's never put a foot wrong in one point four million miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could find someone who had one year, one point four million miles, trucks at ten thousand miles, that needed a new transmission, and they would never buy anything from that brand again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, people's anecdotes of like their specific experiences, it's not gospel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I would, I guess, recommend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually say, so NHDSA is, well, government agency, a lot of people don't trust government agencies, but I think NHDSA is one place where you could submit an official complaint.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then other people can actually see official complaints that people have with vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes those complaints stack up, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, a hundred people or five hundred people are reporting a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it can trigger an investigation or even a recall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are some valid data points that you could actually look at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, broader data points than just, I know somebody who ran into somebody that had this issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your fiance's in law, I mean, or cousin and brother and mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's when you have that outlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you should probably look into it and just see something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the day, everything breaks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about shocked breaking mirrors breaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people will have this disconnect, this cognitive dissonance where there's a vehicle they dislike and it has some issue and that is boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all the evidence that you need this bias that you've got where.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, it broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a piece of garbage.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then maybe a vehicle that they really like and that they enjoy, they had to fix a couple things, a couple little things here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's this disconnect where, realistically, they had to fix things on both vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, they were expecting the one to be a pile and the other one, they're giving the benefit of the doubt.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of times, there's this disconnect that's kind of hard to recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know what boils my brakes is when you are walking through parking lot and there's a pickup truck parked like diagonally in the spot and it's like taking up more than one spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Roman or Tommy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another height.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one of them is boiling your brakes?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably the older guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm saying is pick up trucks can be difficult to park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way you solve that issue oftentimes is you actually back in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can even demonstrate it with your, with our model here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Andrew, you're mirror.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: My mirror fell off my model truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be twelve, thirteen hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: he just put thirteen hundred dollars of uh... i apologize to the people that are listening to this podcast now watching but on days so didn't model truck that lives on our desk had its mirror fall off by the way so uh... my son is into like you know puzzles and you know kids
[SPEAKER_00]: So my son actually built this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a kind of a wooden model of a duly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say it might look like a Ford, but I would rather think that it's more generic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather think that it's more generic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generically, we try not to play favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generically represented pickup.
[SPEAKER_00]: which has a rotary engine actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be a hard thing to see, but it's got this little wind up spring that's under the hood.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it actually has a little spring power spins around, so it kind of looks like a rotary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it has a rodeo shaped but and so so you don't like it when Roman and Tommy pull trucks forward in this space because it's hard to make a Parkett actually straight up right because a lot of trucks that's facet they're long I mean heavy due to trucks have wheelbanks and wide over a hundred sixty inches Most of my hundred sixty some are longer
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have formal steering, which is a high-end unique feature that exists on some new electric trucks, for example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and some more quadrists here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some more.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, if Mr. Truck was here, he would tell you everything about quadrists here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Without those features, it's really hard to park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially, too, because if there's another row of cars or a building immediately behind the spaces that you're pulling forward into, especially in an HD truck, is wide as it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult to get out of that space after you've pulled forward into it because if there's a car immediately on either side of you, you basically got to wait until you're out of the space to start swinging the front end because otherwise you're just going to swing it into the car parked immediately next to you and depending on how close the rows of parking spaces are, you might be backed all the way up to the vehicle or the wall or whatever obstacle that's behind you before you're able to swing the front end out of the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's difficult and maybe you're doing now a ten-point turn versus, you know, some other maneuver.
[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, it might take, let's say, five or ten seconds more to back into a spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now you have clear opening when you're leaving.
[SPEAKER_00]: You jump in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can even peel out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you could do a giant burnout.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might, you might chew it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can just leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You truck is parked really directly straight up in the parking spot and then you're just leaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our our guy Cole, who's run in the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes the sound of that a lot because he's got a bank's t-shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's big on pickup truck burnout.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the performance hot rod trucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that too much to ask?
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the spaces?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, if you have something, if you've got a little commuter car, you don't, you don't really have to back into a space.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got a big enough truck, it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, okay, you might be nervous, you know, there's this thing about launching about, at the, at the, long, long tram, where when you're being observed, especially by multiple people, you get nervous, you're backing up with a trailer, you know, it might be stressful, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So backing up into a parking spot with no trailer can also be a little bit stressful because you're like, maybe you're in the hurry, maybe you're not, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I get all that, but just practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing beats practice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just practice a couple times, and all of a sudden it's going to click in, especially with a rear camera.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one area where a camera actually works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I still, I still have a camera on your down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still use mostly, mostly mirrors because three of the, well, the only three vehicles cars that I actually own cars and trucks don't have backup cameras.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not the common thing for you for your vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm using mirrors.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I figured, because most of my vehicles that I've owned recently have backup cameras.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I get into like a Viper, because I had to back it in just just this morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a wide car.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a wide car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at the center of the dash to check my camera, but it didn't have one.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you saw it was Fisher Price plastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: because the interior on that Viper is so badly made.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's such a cool car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what else bothers me about the Viper is that for some reason it's an older car, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody scratch some of the plastic by the glove box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny because the car, the car has seventeen thousand miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really not that many miles, but the interior has not held up that well because it's a badly made car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somebody, so maybe somebody had like a key in their hand or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or just their fingernail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or their fingernail, they scratch the, and it just looks awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does look kind of bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't have a backup camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, the Viper, the Viper is everything that you expect it to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly as dangerous and sketchy and poorly made and awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the amazing thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: To be in and around as you expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they say never to meet your hero because the hero might disappoint you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can meet that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could meet the Viperians.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the stories are true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you think of Viper is like that's exactly what it's like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're very lucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you do have to drive it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's where the car pays you back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because that V-ten rings out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not even talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is kind of a truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is based on a truck motor though because what they did is they took the cast iron eight liter V-ten that they had and at the time, Chrysler owned Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they took their cast iron eight liter V-Ten to Lamborghini and said, hey, could you try to make this into kind of a sports car engine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they made it aluminum.
[SPEAKER_01]: They shaved, I think about two hundred pounds off of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Best I can tell by making it aluminum.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also, it's a dramatically different engine in a lot of ways because the truck motor doesn't ring out the way that that motor does.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they changed it up a good bit, but it is based on a truck motor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel better about talking about the hyper motor on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are magnum v-tans and... Yeah, it's the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fun modular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can still find those in this form.
[SPEAKER_00]: Articles, textures, trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I heard the story continuing in a Viper story that Lamborghini and Christa ran out of money somewhere along the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that engine is not as cool as it could have been, maybe?
[SPEAKER_01]: it still came in block two valves for cylinder it's pretty simple which which actually gives them a decent reputation for durability and I would say we proved that yesterday we were drag racing it doing quarter mile after quarter mile on a hundred degree day
[SPEAKER_01]: And ringing it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was thing ring in the same temperature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then it's the even some stopping go traffic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can they watch this record?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which channel is this going to be?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Andre, I'm so glad you asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, TFL car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to go up on the car channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not a classic channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because you were addressing a new car.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were addressing it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something brand new, something very fast to see how a sports car, or you could probably argue, super car of the nineties stacks up against a modern performance car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to watch this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell me there's no spoil it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell me there's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we could spoil our drag races are all published.
[SPEAKER_00]: The GM-Six II did win our towing test for drag racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did some quarter mile drag races.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people might have seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did quarter mile drag races with HD trucks pulling some pretty hefty trailers at least for drag racing sake.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we did something even heavier with half tons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we went and did it again with an F-one-F-one-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so that was the winner of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Ford beat the ram, but not by much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at my expression on my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you were very focused.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that, that was a fun race though.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ram and the score.
[SPEAKER_00]: My face.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like sweating.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is, what is wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ram and the Ford were very much neck and neck.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ram, both with a trailer without took off a little better than the F-one-fifty, but the F-one-fifty, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you should out at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have fun fifty and I think it surprised a lot of people also our viewers were surprised is that they have one fifty is five liter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually likes revving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really happy at the high at the high revs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes up there like for six thousand RPM.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it just hangs sometimes it just likes to hang out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that Chevy that Chevy beat the forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finally by the
[SPEAKER_01]: margin so yeah so we we got to do some more trailer drag racing the plan is to do even more of that in the future because it it seems to resonate with people and it is fun it's entertaining to do yeah it's it's a good weekend video yeah to just produce and check out
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't really matter how many tenths of a second, one truck is versus another accelerating with a trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue, no, but we're childish and we have trucks and we have access to a runway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're going to do it anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things that boils your brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it can be a segue there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so another one of the things that boils my brakes a little bit
[SPEAKER_01]: it's and it's kind of similar to anecdotes a lot of times it's based on anecdotes but it's particular brand worship where where people say as if this were definitive written and stone and and everyone else is just you know has the wool over their eyes that one brand is the only brand you should ever buy from and and this applies a lot to pick up trucks as people are very much as way about the trucks
[SPEAKER_01]: But it happens in other vehicles too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've noticed it in the four by four community as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't point fingers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe sometimes, you know, sports car community had that, maybe less so now, but all the other old very brand focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it happens in a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it happens with motorcycles as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see this all the time of people who ride one type of bike or one brand of bike versus another where they'll say,
[SPEAKER_01]: You should only ever buy this bike, never buy another bike because they're all garbage except for this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, guys, we got to be reasonable here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's pros and cons with every vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as much as I would love to say, in all the trucks that we've tested, towed with, gone off road with, gone cross country with done MPG runs, had for long term years at a time, had to make repairs on, have had things break with.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's really, there's no set-in stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the good ones, and these are the bad ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's pros and cons with all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, like you mentioned, a lot of people come up to us, you know, discuss which trucks should I buy, or they send us an email, maybe it's on Patreon, patreon.com slash tflcar, small plug.
[SPEAKER_00]: And say, what is your favorite brand of truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, and I just stop in my tracks, and I'm like, first of all, tell me, first of all, I don't have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, be either.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it also depends.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also depends on the use case that you like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you looking for a heavy duty?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I might have my favorite there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you looking for a small unfroeder like mid-size?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you looking for something halftone?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, you need to do some work with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a different track.
[SPEAKER_00]: and or a sports car let's say I really like let's say a super duty right I really like that high output power stroke yeah but I really love the Corvette and the Camaro I mean yeah I don't think I have to stay in the Ford brand in order to satisfy everything I want
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or even, well, what's my favorite exhaust break in telling experience in a truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, probably a ram.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I was going to go out there and pick a rugged trim of an HD truck from the factory, I'd go for a tremor, super duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's maybe my favorite total package interior,
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything, I really like some of the high-end GMCC era, HDs, and I like that Dermax a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, even in one category of trucks, there's things that each of them do better than the other, each of them do worse than the other, and again, same thing as far as reliability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a ram, and I've seen millions of comments about how terrible my ram is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, you know, you look at recalls that have happened this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ford is working towards ninety number one in the recalls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety recalls this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So look, they all, they all have the the stumbling blocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've all got those categories where they excel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I understand a lot of unreasonable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of it also comes like, you know, my folks, my parents drove this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love, I love the same thing or maybe my folks drove that, but I want to be different from my parents and I want to, you know, I want to choose the other brand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a lot of like tribal type stuff happen in that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that's not all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which truck do you like enough to forgive the things that it does poorly?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because all of them do something poorly.
[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't matter you can still you should still go out and buy the truck the brand whatever that that you like that you feel attached to the the one that you're gonna be happiest in that's all that matters at the end of the day to tell people that or you can be you're gonna buy a vehicle from this brand that's a terrible idea you're gonna be stranded on the side of the road
[SPEAKER_00]: every thirty minutes it's like you know that the coma is the most you know popular mid-sized truck and Arguably the previous generation not the current one but the previous one the way that that six-speed mash-top with the engine was not the best at all that driving hunted gears a lot hunted and but a lot of people really love the brand
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they bought those Tacomas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's that's all that matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that matters is that you're happy with your truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think where where the mistake can be is is digging into somebody who's also happy with their truck just because the truck that they're happy with is a different brand is yeah is the different con.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all they're all good and they're all bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel better now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got that air down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel a lot better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's more nitpicks, but I think those should be saved for specific truck reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could kind of dig into specific things with certain vehicles, for sure, especially electric.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't discussed electric trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We recently had the Sierra EV-E-E-E-T-Four.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of videos still coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have an off-road video.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can check out as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: As well as I took my boat with it over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have another video coming related to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people like your videos where you're pulling your boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm always on the fence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you know, well, first of all, it's not easy to do because my wife and my kids are like, why are you working while we're trying to realize?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fair question.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I'm sometimes worried.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, a boat is kind of a luxury item.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't want to be showing, like, I'm flaunting, like, that I'm just showing off that I have a boat and other people don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to
[SPEAKER_00]: But people seem to like that type of stuff because I've done it over the years and you can kind of compare the one experience with one track versus another track.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're also, you know, it would be fair to accuse you of being a workaholic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So oh
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Andre Andre is filming all the time Which we just respectable even on my vacation days, but you've also filmed on vacation days I have especially from like Florida your trips on Florida in Florida and some other places Yeah, to go visit family.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we like Yeah, especially my dad's got some cool machines that I like to highlight machine then So that's more for him than for me, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, your video with your dad's RV bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was probably one of the most popular, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the last channel, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of the top five most popular videos that we've done on the classic channel was a video that I shot with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a nineteen forty nine RV from a company called Flexible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the fifth most popular video we've done on classics and it's a really cool bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very streamlined shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a Detroit diesel supercharged two stroke, you know, I think it's maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a little face and character.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this bus is something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a super cool machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds pretty cool at Detroit Diesel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how cool is the brand name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Flexible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Flexible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got that name because one of the initial things from what I remember that they designed and engineered and sold was a motorcycle sidecar combination that could actually lean and pivot a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also, they made several other vehicles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made these inner city buses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also did, I think, some ambulances and maybe even herses.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I remember right, there's a company based out of Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's a really, really cool bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a video worth shooting because he poured over decades of ton of time and energy into that bus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sure, a few dollar bills were spent.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, honestly, not as much as people would expect because I saw some of those comments about this boss people saying, yeah, I don't think he's more than sixty grand into that bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also built it almost twenty years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: So things were a little cheaper then, but the bus itself was very cheap to buy because it was pretty rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: gutted the interior, did a lot of the interior himself, had the bus painted, put it in older Detroit diesel that he picked up for not that much money in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, it's not an insane high dollar build, but it is an exceptionally cool machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the engine is in the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pusher.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever I drive a pusher not many times I've driven the one, but you're actually driving and you're not hearing the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The engine is like twenty or thirty feet behind you.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one being that that old Detroit it makes enough noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, here it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not loud from where you're sitting, but it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the engine that it's still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so yeah, there's a lot of cool videos you guys could check out and cool stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what boils your breaks because I'm sure within touch on a lot of different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and maybe the things that boil our breaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is boiling your brakes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, you never want to boil your brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Try to avoid it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please, please don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us and I will see you next time.