Vakifbank Takes Down Fenerbahçe in a Golden Set, Olympiacos Stuns Jastrzebski in 5
In this episode of Volley Talk, we focus on Champions League. The men's quarterfinals got underway, and the women's semifinals are now set. 3 Italian teams and 1 Turkish team will battle it out in Istanbul for the 2025 title.
Madison is clawing their way up the LOVB ranks, Omaha and Orlando are flip-flopping for that number 1 PVF spot, and Sarah & Adam make predictions for some upcoming matches.
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Hi volleyball fans and welcome back to Volley Talk, the podcast created for volleyball lovers who want to dig deep into what is going on in NCAA and international volleyball. I'm your host Sarah Pavan. I'm an Olympian, beach volleyball world champion, former Nebraska Cornhusker, and longtime pro, both indoor and on the beach. And I'm Adam Schultz, former indoor player, international volleyball coach, and the show's resident stat guy. We are business as usual this week. And full disclosure, we are going to take more of an international focus as the Men's Champions League quarterfinals started up and the Women's Champions League semifinalists are now set. So we are pretty excited about that. Conference play in NCAA men's volleyball continues to roll on with things going pretty much as expected this week. For the most part, there were a couple upsets, but nothing crazy. And of course, we have our usual love and PVF roundup. We are so excited to talk volleyball with you all. So let's get started. Diving into our weekly highlights, let's start off with Champions League. That was like a little treat this week. It was all of a sudden out of nowhere we had some amazing volleyball, both on the men and women's side. Highly encourage you to check it out if you haven't been watching it already. We watched some men's and women's matches in the Champions League space. And to basically let you know why we are focusing so much on Champions League this week is because the Final Four isn't until May. So you're going to get your love in PVF and NCAA men's fix for the next month and a half because the Champions League semis aren't for a long time. So we wanted to touch on those today. But the away matches happened for the top teams in the men's side of Champions League. Things went as expected. Almost. Zavirze beats Lunenberg 3 -0. That one was decisive. Yes. Perugia took down Monza 3 -1. I think the most shocking part to me for that game was that Monza crushed the first set. And then nothing. Yeah. The last three sets went pretty much as I expected. I feel like Perugia was definitely... is definitely the stronger team. And we did get a question that we touched on last week of like, how the heck is Monza in the quarterfinals of Champions League when they're literally second last in the Italian league? It's a fair question. It happens. Well, I think you see it sometimes where they can't get it together in their league. And for whatever reason, whenever they have to play a Champions League match, everything just clicks. You do see it from time to time. And it was, this is one of those cases. Check it out. It was a decent match, but not the one we're going to talk about today. Halkbank Ankara beat Warsaw 3 -1, and the one no one expected. Olympiakos Piraeus took down Jastrzewski Vigil 3 -2. That is the match we are going to talk about today, because, oh my gosh, it was wild. Well, and just as a little preview, the announcer was shocked. The announcer was just hoping that Olympiakos could just like make it respectable. Yes. And that theme continued even as they were winning. Even as they're winning, the announcer is like, what is happening? I was like, what is happening? I think Jastrzewski, even Olympiakos were like, what is happening? This was an upset for the ages. The odds on this and the prediction of this, nobody thought they would win. People lost a lot of money on this game. 100%. That's all I'm going to say. For the women, the final four is... So, yes, you heard that right. Three Italian teams and one Turkish team. All matches went 3 -0 again. Except... We are talking about that one because holy man, that was another very exciting one. And just as a little spoiler, we got our golden set, everybody. Okay. If you roll it back to last week when Adam was asking predictions about which matches are going to go past three sets, I was so convinced that Azibashi was going to get it together and win a set. I was wrong. The games were a lot closer. A lot closer. But Milano still won 3 -0. Yeah, I was not expecting that. I also expected Fenerbahce to come out of the match we're going to talk about simply because they had two chances. They only had to win two sets in the match, and then they had a chance at the golden set, and it just did not happen. Yeah. As expected, Scandici and Corneliano, handy dandy. No problems there. Actually, Scandicci won way more decisively than I expected. It was a beatdown over Woods. But the matchups are... Conigliano is going to be playing Milano in the semi. And then Scandicci is playing Vakifbank. Istanbul is hosting. And the way that the final four works is it's just like one match. Like one match semifinal, one match bronze. you know, the typical tournament format. I feel because Istanbul's hosting, they really wanted to make sure that Vakafenk was in the final. So I... They got the third Italian team. They got, in my opinion, the weakest of the three Italian teams, and then the other two are going to battle it out. But very exciting stuff. It was a great week of volleyball. Great week. In NCAA men's volleyball, our only... I don't want to say major upset because there was one more baby upset, but the only major one saw Lindenwood take down number 14, Lewis, 3 -1. And then Lewis turned around and also lost in five to McKendree. Right after I said I really liked how Lewis was playing and how fundamentally solid they were. So I'm going to keep those opinions to myself from now on. We just can't play these games anymore. Which is what we're doing this week. And we just can't even. talk about the teams we like anymore because as soon as we talk about it they tank even like when i'm announcing or commentating games i'm like i'll say something so nice about a player which you guys know i'm pretty harsh so like those compliments are hard to come by but i'll say something so nice about a player and then the next play they'll just like do something ridiculous and i'm like okay great well and Again, we are talking about 18 to 21 -year -old men, so there's not always the most consistency there. But man, I did not think Lewis was going to lose those two matches. But McKendree is holding on to their ranking. No, and McKendree was a little more... Predictable, because it was a 14 -10. Yeah. The Lindenwood one, Lewis probably wants that one back. Like, McKendree has legit climbed their way to number 10, and they are proving that they belong there. The team that still has not proven it to me is CSUN, who is still ranked number 7, got crushed. By Long Beach State. I know it's not just CSUN getting crushed by Long Beach State. Long Beach State, I want to see them play somebody ranked in the top five. Okay, they've kind of cruised. UCLA, when they played them, were just like out to lunch. It was not good. So I want to see Long Beach State actually play a top five team. Anyway, confused how CSUN is in the top ten when they haven't really beaten anybody. I think they beat Pepperdine in one match and that's it. Well, that might change because they play a couple ranked teams. Coming up this week. They do play some decent teams this week. Number nine Pepperdine beat number 11 Stanford 3 -1 two times. Back to back in Palo Alto. I thought that would be better than it was. Well, I think this was a case of Stanford makes you beat them, but they're a little undersized. And Pepperdine is a very big physical team. So it's not a great matchup for Stanford. Fair. And finally, our baby upset. is USC won the Outrigger Invitational. They beat Hawaii 3 -1. So by the end, Hawaii and USC were unbeaten. Ball State and Penn State were also at the event. So this was technically like the final, even though everybody was playing everybody. And yeah, USC beat them 3 -1. I'm surprised. That was a 4 -5 matchup, so it's not like anything crazy, but I like... I need to stop saying that I love Hawaii so much because I'm like setting them up to fail, I think, against USC and against Long Beach when that comes. Well, it's hard to go into Hawaii and beat them. And I expected Hawaii to win that tournament. Now, that match happened late last night, so we haven't had a chance to watch it yet. That's on my viewing list for today. But I'm curious what USC's strategy was. I'm curious how they went about. dismantling hawaii because i thought hawaii would win or did hawaii dismantle themselves well that's also a possibility so maybe we can come back to that next week and we'll see what happens after we watch it overall i feel like the ranking like last week heading into this week the ranking stayed pretty steady uh particularly for the top 10 you saw like A couple teams move like one spot, nothing crazy. I think we'll see the same thing this week. Curious to think about if USC will take over the number four spot in place of Hawaii. What the heck is going to happen to Lewis? Are they going to plummet? Which given what we've seen down there in the rankings, I would be shocked if they punish them for this, but we will find out. So another good week in NCAA men's volleyball. Looking to love. We saw in the head -to -head match, Madison beat Omaha 3 -1. Now, Madison is skyrocketing up the standings after being in dead last. They are now tied for third with Salt Lake. And we'll talk about this, but Madison and Salt Lake play this week. They have the same record. They have the same record. They have Madison ahead of them. I don't know if it's like how they've won, because I feel like Salt Lake goes five with everybody. Yeah, I'm unsure on their tie -breaking methodology, and I don't think it's posted anywhere, but they play this week, so there will be a clear -cut 3 -4 coming up, and we'll predict that match later on in the episode. If we go to the weekend with love, Houston beat Atlanta, so Houston keeps winning, and then Atlanta recovered beating Salt Lake City. Houston also went on to beat Austin 3 -1 over the weekend. Houston and Atlanta are definitely sitting at the top. They have kind of separated themselves. Houston has won the last couple meetings with Atlanta, but Atlanta holds a better record, so we'll see how that ends up panning out. And as we said, Madison and Salt Lake City are tied for third with their record currently. They play this week, so that will get sorted out. And Omaha and Austin have made their way to the bottom of the league. So we currently have Atlanta in first, followed by Houston. Madison and Salt Lake, quote unquote, tied for third. And then Austin followed with Omaha at the bottom of the league. So things are starting to kind of find their way to where we thought they would at the beginning of the season, which is interesting to see. And we'll see how the league pans out over the next few weeks. Now turning to the PVF, Orlando did not have a great week. They were stopped twice. San Diego defeated them 3 -2. And then Omaha came back for a little payback and beat them 3 -1. Just as I said from that game last week, oh, is Omaha going to beat Orlando? And I'm like, no, absolutely not. I've seen nothing to say that Orlando's going to crack. Guess what? They were a little egg being thrown against the wall this week. Holy. So we'll see how Orlando rebounds coming this week after dropping two. Atlanta had a really good week going 3 -0. They beat Indy and Grand Rapids 3 -1, and then they beat San Diego in a really close 3 -2 win that went 16 -14 in the fifth. So they had a very good week. And Vegas continues to struggle, as we talked about last week. They lost their only match to Columbus 3 -0. So that does not seem like it's going to right itself anytime soon. I mean, they looked pretty rough and discombobulated last week, just like we kept talking about the panic that it seemed like with throwing subs in and out, in and out, like who the heck is even playing? Doesn't look like they've sorted that out. They need to find some sort of stability from somewhere, whether it's from the coaching staff, whether it's from a player. Nobody seems to have any idea what's going on. They started so well. I'm like, what happened? Is it an internal thing? Have teams just figured them out and they also were just coasting, didn't want to, not didn't want to, but didn't make any adjustments? Like, I'm wondering. I feel like it's a little similar to Omaha in love. They clicked. very well early in the season, and they just haven't been able to keep that going or make adjustments when teams have played them tough. So I don't expect that to change anytime soon. I don't know where it's going to come from, but it'll be interesting to see how they finish because if they don't turn it around, they're in trouble. We have both Omaha and Orlando continuing to push for the top of the league. Right now, Omaha has a record of 12 -4, which puts them at the very top. So this week they're winning. Last week, Orlando was winning. We'll see if they just keep flip -flopping. Correct. So we'll see how that ends up going. But then the two teams following them are Atlanta and Indy. So we have a close matchup kind of with 1 -2 and 3 -4. That's probably how the league is going to play out. Well, I think it's the same. Like 5 -6 are kind of similar and then 7 -8. So there's just like groupings of two that are like kind of competing against each other. So those... individual matchups will be really interesting to see in the coming weeks, especially when those teams go head -to -head. Those are the matches that are going to mean something because the gaps in between are relatively large. And it's like, can you win your head -to -head, but also just maybe squeak out a win from teams that are ranked higher than you? Or even push them to five. Yeah, make up the difference. So the league, there are... Starting to be some really interesting storylines in terms of individual teams, who they're up against, and where it's going to be. All right. Our first feature match of the week is on the men's side of Champions League. Olympiakos versus Jastrzewski -Wigil. And I'm going to refer to those as Greece and Poland just because my international pronunciation is not the best. Totally fair. So this... was very humbling for me personally. As I'm watching these teams warm up, I'm like, wow. Olympiacos looks like a bunch of players who are on the verge of retirement. They're so old. What are they, like in their 40s? I looked at this roster because I was like, these guys are just like... cruising through the end of their career, just living life in Greece, loving it. There were only two players that were my age, like literally born at my year and the rest were younger. And here I was being like, wow, these guys are so old. No, apparently I'm the old one. So that was incredibly humbling. So now that that's out of the way. Well, I think we should put a little context on this match for people who didn't watch it or don't follow internationally as closely. Greece is not the best league in Europe. Like, this team had to fight through, as we've been talking about champions, this team, Olympiakos, had to fight through the preliminary rounds. Like, Greece does not get a team directly in. Correct. So this team had to go through the preliminaries before even being able to compete. Yeah, and if you looked at the rosters and who's playing, the Greek team definitely has players who, like you mentioned, are kind of at the end of their career. I would say one of their best players, Gord Perrin, who's Canadian, has retired from the national team, no longer playing internationally for their country. Probably took this contract. You're living a good life in Greece. It's a good league to be in. It's a good country. It's not where people go for the highest level of competition. Or for the most money. Right. It's just comfortable. And from what I've heard, it's just very laid back. You practice a few times a week. But don't get me wrong. These guys on this team. They have resumes. Or legends, okay? 100%. They have resumes, but I was like, I didn't realize that we were legit the same age. Yeah. Or they were younger. I was impressed sitting on my couch watching these guys play who are a year younger than me. I mean, okay, so the setter is Dragan Travica, who he is Italian, Croatian, but he played for legendary teams like Forever, Trentino, Modena. His dad is a legendary coach. So he is very good. Like 2012 Olympian, Gord Perrin, Canadian, also great career. Masulovic and Pajink are the middles. So Serbian, Slovenian, Atanasievic is their opposite. So like these guys have a lot of international experience for Serbia, for their country. They just haven't. And some of them still are playing, but they just, like, compared to Jastrzewski, where you're seeing Polish national team guys, like, we've got Thomas Fornal, who is a starter for Poland on the outside, Norbert Huber, who starts for Poland in the middle, Anton Brem, German middle, Lukasz Kaczmarek, who is one of the better opposites in the world. I think he got VNL opposite of the year, like, a couple years ago. Benjamin Tony Uti is their setter, who's French. He's a little older. But looking at the rosters, we're talking about current stars for very strong national teams versus former stars for national teams. Listen, so this match was in Greece. None of the Greek fans thought they were going to win. Nobody on the Greek team thought they were going to win. Nobody watching the match. thought they were going to win, including the announcer, who's supposed to be unbiased. And, you know, the Polish team, they thought they were going to come in here and walk over this team, which they did in the first two sets. In the first two sets, yeah. It wasn't even close. You had to watch this match all the way through because if you watch the first two sets, the Polish team just dominated. They were physically better. I felt bad. Watching it almost. Agreed. Like, they were blowing up these guys with their serves. Like, with their attacks. They were going up. It was like one -on -ones. It looked like the other team didn't even know what to do. These guys were going up, hammering one -on -ones at, like, the five -foot line. I was like, oh, gosh. Yeah, it was, you know, watching it, you would have turned the match off after two sets and go, this one's over. They're heading back to Poland. Like, see you in the next round. And then the third set happened. And, you know, looking at the stats, it's still confusing because the Polish team, I mean, quite frankly, was better than them. They had a better balanced offense. Their setter did amazing. They passed the same. They won in most of the statistical categories that matter. But the difference to me was, and I hate to say this, The Greek team dug or got hit by balls on defense and found a way to score afterwards. Gord Perrin went off and was almost untouchable in the last three sets. He had 35 swings and had 20 kills. It didn't matter what he did. He scored. And their opposite went 14 for 32. on the match, and he wasn't very good in the first two sets, but he went back at one point. So the turning point in the third set for me was the opposite goes back and rips three aces, and we're talking hitting sidelines. No, it was just like they were just playing the first two sets, and then it's like this guy goes back, Atanasievich, and was like, you know what? We're getting absolutely demolished right now. I am going to yass this ball up here and hit it as hard as I possibly can. And whatever happens, happens. They stayed in. But we're talking one curls away from the libero who gets aced. The libero shifts over. The next one he hits into the seam. And then he goes to the other sideline. Three aces in a row. Poland sides out. And then they go back and they get three massive blocks. They scored six points in seven or eight rallies. And they never looked back after that. It was crazy. And they didn't set anybody else. Those two players. Well, I thought Trevika set the middle. I think his hands are beautiful. The man is not jump setting. He's like, forget it. I need to save my energy here. I'm just going to stand on the ground and set. The delivery, though. He puts those hitters in a perfect spot. He was running that middle. I understand they were setting Perrin and Atanasievich predominantly. But I would say their Greek outside, Dalakouras, he came out of nowhere. And he started doing really well. Well, he's a baby, too. Baby, baby. And then Travita was running the middle from all these angles. And I'm like. Whoa. But I want to go back to that because watching the match, you got the impression that he set the middle a ton. I did because when he did, I was like, dang, that delivery is so good. I did not expect you to set that. And I thought the exact same thing. Do you want to know how many sets their middles got? Oh my gosh, this always happens. This always happens. Go ahead. Nine and four. In five sets? In five sets. Oh my God. And this is the beauty. I'm going to call him a magician for a setter, is when you feel like he is setting the middle at an uncontrollable pace, but he's not. But that's the thing. As viewers who understand the game very well, if we're thinking that, as a player or something who is so invested in the moment and is so focused on the game, you're probably thinking the same thing. Like, I have no vested interest in this match, and I'm watching this man's set being like, wow. He runs the middle incredibly well. If you are under that much stress as a player, you're probably not processing it either. So that was one of the reasons why I thought they were able to turn that match. They're outside hitters. It played incredibly well. But it just felt like the middle was always an option. And that opens up the pins for Perrin and the opposite, who, again, scored when they had their chances and had great... third, fourth, and fifth sets. But that feeling that the middle is always an option goes a huge way to opening up and allowing those outsides to be efficient. I will say Olympiacos, it's like in the first two sets watching them, you could got the impression as a viewer that they felt like they didn't belong there. They were not cheering. They were just like head down. Do not make any waves. Like, we know we're not supposed to be here. Just like, sorry, we're just going to play. Keep quiet. And then after those aces that you were talking about by Atanasievich, all of a sudden they started getting animated. They started cheering. They started to be like, wait a minute. And even the fans started to be like, whoa. He dragged them into that match emotionally. Yes. It was. incredible to see so there were two things that stand out to me looking at the stats for the match one was they out aced poland eight to three three of those happened all in a row so over the course of the match it was really five to three which is neither here nor there statistically over five sets but that was the turning point and then for me greece had 121 attack attempts to poland's 104 So they were digging the ball or getting hit by balls. But that's the thing. I don't like attributing luck to victories. But the ball luck that Greece found in those last three sets, there were situations where it was off the shoulder of the defender, chicken wing from somebody in the front row, perfect set. And there were a couple... It's situations where the setter went up and hit the third ball and there was no block because nobody understood what was happening. They were still under fire from Poland. And whether you credit it to defensive adjustments, to being in the right place, or to not being able to see the ball because it was coming so fast at them, they continued some rallies that were just spectacular. Watching it, though, I honestly felt bad for Jastrzewski because... you could see them just like not knowing what the heck is going on and not knowing what to do. And I can relate to that. I've been in those situations where you're playing a team that you are better than hands down. And for whatever reason, they are just unconscious and just everything is going their way. And you're just like, okay, let's keep going. Let's keep pushing. We can do this. We're going to figure it out. We're going to break through. And it just wasn't happening. And you could see them like, holy, what do we do here? And they had a couple pushes. Like the third set happened and everyone kind of, you could see the Greek team was kind of laughing about it. Like, wow, three aces in three blocks. Like, let's see if we can keep this going. And the Polish team came out. You could see them take a deep breath and come back and be like, okay, there's no chance that this is going to happen again. But I will say the Greek team kept the service pressure. They went after every serve. Nobody took a night off. Nobody played it safe. They came at Poland hard from the service line. Well, and I will say, Timotei Karl, the French left side for Jastrzewski, he struggled. So I thought that was an interesting tactic. He does not like passing with his forearms. Oh my gosh, he went down to his knees to pass with his hands a few times, and I'm like, my man, literally, let's learn how to use the platform, okay? They went after him with a couple float servers, dropping that ball in short where he was like going to the ground and not passing particularly well. And I thought that was a genius strategy by Greece. Oh, absolutely. I was watching this match being like, this guy needs to be subbed out. And they did not take him out. They kept him in because he was a liability passing for them and attacking. He was struggling too. But I think like Yastrzemski is loaded. With Huber and Brehm in the middle, like, come on now. And then you've got Fornal, who is, I really like him. Me too. He's got personality. I really like him. And Kosmarik on the right. Like, there is no reason why you should not be able to score if you're Yastrzemski. But Timotei Carl's passing was a problem. Totally agree with you. And attack wise, he got set 22 times. He had 12 kills, which isn't terrible, but he made seven errors getting blocked five times. Like Greece scored a whole bunch of points off of him directly. Him specifically. And why, why he stayed on the court. That was to me, that was the one kind of coaching error or head scratching piece. I was like, clearly you have really good players on your bench. Like why not take him off the floor? Well, they're loaded. They've got some Argentinians on the bench. They're stacked with Polish players. I was like, at least switch it up just for a few points to see if somebody can make a better impact, but they refused. It's like they didn't believe that they were going to lose. It's like, no, we are doing this, and we are not bending. I don't think they made a sub at all. No, I don't believe they did. Four and all started amazing. And then you could see, like, he started to go down a little bit as the passing broke down and then, like, some passing issues of his. Like, yeah, it was, I felt bad for them. Well, to me, this is the definition of this is why you play. Anything can happen. When you have skilled players on both sides. People can have matches of their life. They can come out. A team can click like this. This was a match to me of why you play sport. It was so much fun to watch. You could see the team shifting. You could see the tension. You could see Poland puckering a little and looking at each other and be like, I literally don't know what to do. We did not prepare for any of these guys to do these things. No. And they just couldn't get it back. So the thing working in Yastrzemski's favor here is that they went five. So you will probably remember us talking about the PVF scoring system. So that scoring system, as we have talked about, is used all over Europe. It's used in Champions League. So if you win in three or four sets, you get three points. If you win in five sets, you get two. If you lose in five, you get one. So Jastrzewski left there with one point. So basically, if they can manage to win at home next week in three or four, they win the series. I want no prediction. because this is coming later. I am not predicting anything, okay? So that is working in their favor. They do have an opportunity. And I will say that environment in Greece was hostile. Those fans were unhinged. Unhinged. I expected bottles to be thrown on the court eventually. And trust me, I've seen it. I've played in Southern Italy. It happens, okay? So don't come at me for hating Greek people. That's not it at all. The environment was amazing for the Greek team. I think everybody in that stadium sang for two and a half hours straight. And then as they won, it got unhinged. They were yelling at servers. It was wild. The Polish people love volleyball, so I expect them to really show out. But that environment is going to be hard to beat. If you're just looking for a volleyball match to watch for the sake of watching good volleyball, this was a really fun one to watch. It never was dull. You were always curious as to what was going to happen. The momentum shifted. The team dynamics changed. This was just great entertainment. Go wait until the beginning of April if you want so that you can get just by one month of Eurovalley TV just to last you until the final four. Eight euros. Just spend your eight euros, your ten bucks. Two coffees. If you don't want to get more than one month. Just wait a couple weeks and then binge all these games because you will not regret it. Our second feature match of the week is another Champions League game, this time on the women's side between Vakifbank and Fenerbahce. Wowee. This was another one that just had us just enthralled. Okay, before we get into this, I have a question for you. Yeah. If you were to look at these two teams on paper, which one is better? Well, VacavBank was my pick to win this series. Remember when we played the game a couple weeks ago? So VacavBank was my pick. I knew that I wasn't aware of Fenerbahce's entire roster. I think if I had known that, I might have had a harder time picking. I knew that Melissa Vargas played for Fenerbahce, but then I knew some of the deeper into the roster for Vakavbank. Yeah, let's just go over these rosters real quick so people have an idea. So for Vakavbank, the outsides are Marina Markova and Katerina Bosetti. Markova is Russian. She played at Syracuse and Florida. And now she's in Turkey. Katerina Bosetti, of course, captain of the Italian national team. The middle blockers are Yuan Jinwei, the middle for China, and Zeyra Gunish, the middle for Turkey. The opposite is the Canadian Kira Van Rijk, and then the setter is Kansu Ojbe, and the libero is Aitsa Aykac. So the setter and libero are Turkish as well. For Fenerbahce, the outsides are Arina Fedoroceva, the young. Russian prodigy. She has turned into one of my favorites. Oh my gosh, I love her. And Ana Cristina from Brazil. The middles are Ada Erdem and Ajli Kalac. So two Turkish middles. Both have played national team. Ada Erdem is the legend, has played forever. Opposite, Melissa Vargas. Setter is Bojana Dirca, the Serbian setter. who replaced Maya Onyanovich internationally recently. And the libero is Gizem Orze. So a Turkish libero. Wow. That's, I mean. Studded. Star studded. Both rosters are solid. But like knowing what I know now, I probably would have picked Fenerbahce because that outside combo is loaded. It's impressive. So going into this match. As we know, Fenerbahce won last week 3 -0. So basically they had to just win the match or push the match to five sets to win the series outright. Fenerbahce won the first set pretty much on the back of Melissa Vargas who went off. Chipped three clean aces to start the match. And then was like unstoppable offensively. You had the feeling watching her that she was just going to single -handedly win that match. Which we have seen her do before. 100%. You thought the match was over almost before it started. She unloaded on those serves. It was wild. Okay. You guys have so many listeners have asked questions like, why don't more women spin serve? Go watch this match. There are so many women spin serving in these matches. And you will see the difference between this and NCAA women's. There is no comparison. The women in this match were punishing these spin serves. And that, if you're going to do that, yes, spin serve. 100%. Their shoulders, the tosses, the sheer aggressiveness. The spin they're putting on it. From the baseline. The movement they're creating. Like, you do not see that from college volleyball. Well, and so I think it's important. This match to me makes sense to kind of go almost set by set because you saw the match kind of shift. So in the first set, the story for me was Vargas. She was untouchable. She had three aces. I thought Fenerbahce blocked really well in that set. And the key stats to me that made the difference in that first set, which they won 25 -19, so it wasn't really close, was Fenerbahce had five aces to... and they out -blocked 3 -2. So you had significant serving and blocking pressure from Fenerbahce that was just unmatched by back -of -the -bank in that first set. Well, and Melissa Vargas was going off, which completely opened things up for Federer at Ceiba, who things should not be opened up for Federer at Ceiba, okay? She hits a heavy ball. And high. Like all of these women, these outsides are hitting the ball so high and at such a great like angle. Like, okay, keep going. So at that point, watching Fenerbahce win the first set, they only have to win one more set. They literally just have to win one. You thought, I thought that the match was pretty much over at that point. The way that the first set went, absolutely, that was the feeling. And as the second set progressed, it was super close. And they were winning, weren't they, in the second set? They were up. What was interesting to me was you could feel the tension in the second set. There were two timeouts called in the first six points. So I believe, if I'm remembering correctly... Guidetti called a timeout at 2 -0. It was 2 -0 for Fenerbahce. Then it flipped to 4 -2, Vakith Bank. Fenerbahce calls the timeout. There was so much tension in that second set. That, to me, was the match. I mean, it wasn't the match, but it was so interesting to watch the back and forth. Well, I want to say, wasn't Fenerbahce up like 22 -20 or something at one point? They were up going down the stretch. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is over. Vakith Bank changed their setter in the second set for a stretch of time to try and change the momentum and get it going. And they did. And you had Vakith Bank won that set at the end, three aces to one and five blocks to three. And you started to see Markova. come on in the second set for Vagath Bank. And we'll keep talking about her. Well, and Vargas decreased in performance. But you know what I think was so impressive? Zara Gunesh, her blocking. Yes. And when her and Markova are paired up together, holy, they caused a world of hurt for Melissa Vargas. So this might be a hot take, but I think Gunesh was the player. Of the match. She was so good. She. I think I'm like, did this woman have like 15 blocks? How many does she have? If you watch internationally, you know who she is. She is outstanding. She had nine of their 17 blocks. Nine. And these things were coming down fast. They were like hitting the center line. Okay. So Vakith Bank's strategy was to ride two players. You had Markova, who was. Lights out. She got set 53 times and had 26 kills. Almost half of the time she swung, she scored. And then, to her credit, Kira van Rijk had 41 sets with 17 kills. Now, I thought she started slowly, but I thought by the end of the match, she canceled Vargas out. There wasn't a significant difference minus the first set as to their point production. And it took her a little while, but she found her footing, and I thought she played very well. So keep this in mind, 53 sets and 41 sets. I'm going to read the totals of the other players who were set in this match. The next highest was 11, and then 10, 9, and 6. Holy. But neither team really set their middles. This was essentially outside hitters versus outside hitters. And quite frankly, Markova just set herself above the rest. At the beginning, she was hitting insane angles. And then she started looking for hands more as the match progressed. Kira Van Rijk, give that girl line, she's going to take it. Okay, she doesn't have a great angle swing. She doesn't hit sharp. Do not let her hit line because I was impressed with how she was able to find it. And she hits a heavy ball too. Heavy. Yes. So those two. And then we had Vargas start great. Federer at Seva was pretty solid all match. Anna Christina was quiet in the first two sets, but I thought her set three and four were so good. Yeah. She was actually the most efficient player for Fenerbahce. So the set totals were interesting. For Fenerbahce as well. So Vargas had 47, while Federer -Tseva had 48, and Ana Cristina had 33. So they distributed the ball between all three pin hitters better than Vakithbank did. But Vargas was 18 for 47 with 11 errors on the night. She got blocked a lot. She got blocked a ton. And to me, that was the difference. Like, those blocks, because... Vakith Bank out -blocked them 17 -11. Gunish, for me, was the difference in that regard. They didn't set her a ton, but she set the tone when she was in the front row. And emotionally, she was so engaged, so fired up. I mean, her and Vargas are international teammates, so there was a little bit of swagger going on there. Well, they're buddies, too, I think. And she let her have it. And it was, it was fun to watch. It was a little chippy and I'm all for it. But like, so going back to what you said, they distributed for all three attackers. Katerina Bosetti is not there to score points for back of bank. She is there to pass and play defense. When she was getting set, it was, it was a struggle. Like she's not as big. She's not jumping as touching as high as the other way. Like she is there. For ball control, and that's it. And defense. She dug a ton of balls. Ball control. Yeah, fair enough. Oh, I'm just saying she did her job well. She 100 % did her job, but every single set when it came down the stretch, they subbed in Daria Chebichoglu to score points, and I thought this young girl did outstanding. Like, got subbed in every set when Katarina went to the front row. did her job, scored some points for the team, and then Katarina came back in to pass again. So I think that was a really smart sub. I wanted to see them use Yuan Jinwei a little more. I think she's like 6 '8", and every time they were running her on the slide, she was pretty effective. I think I would have liked to have seen both teams run the middle more, but it was really fun watching the outsides go at it. Well, I totally agree. But I had to think, watching Fenerbahce, when Vargas kept getting a two -man solid block, that at some point they would have thought, hey, we need to run the middle a little bit more. Gunas is just going out to the pin, sealing the block. That was the adjustment that they could have made to make life a little bit easier for Vargas. Well, no, do you remember they were trying to run the middle early, Fenerbahce was, and Gunas was just... chomping on it and then they said like when you're running a quick do not run it create space because every time you're running a quick they're they're all over it so use the quick as a decoy only set the middle if you're gonna run something they said that at a time out well and and that's fine because you She got those blocks early, but you have to go back to it. You can't let a player shut your whole middle attack down at the beginning of a match and not use it again. The mindset of playing is just so, yeah, 100%. That is 100 % right. But it's just like everybody gets so wrapped up. We saw the coaches sprint onto the court three times. These people are getting so wrapped up in the moment that you probably can't think. as clearly as you want. You know what I mean? But that's your job as the coaching staff. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying you could see the emotions were just out of control. But yeah, they didn't go back to the middle at all. As fun as it was to watch the outsides and to watch the blocking on display, I was quite disappointed with the setting from both sides. I thought it hurt. So two things. I thought... Fenerbahce's setter straight out hurt them. I didn't think she played particularly well. And I thought Vakifbank's out -of -system setting hurt them. It was not very good. Yeah, agreed on both fronts. And honestly, is it any coincidence that Serbia had the worst international season in recent memory with this girl setting them last year? Seeing her set against Vakifbank, I was like, this is terrible. And VacavBank was digging so many balls, and they could not put any away because their out -of -system setting was all over the place. Yeah, it was crazy because, like you said, Bosetti was digging a ton of balls, and they would put over free balls. So many rallies lasted forever where it was just VacavBank getting bombed with these balls and then sending free balls over and over again until somebody finally executed it. It was, whoa. Well, and the last thing that I wanted to touch on was in set four, Fenerbahce had multiple leads. They were up 16 -12. They were up 19 -16, and they couldn't close it out. This game was so exciting just for that fact. It's like they win the first set, and it's like, oh my gosh, Fenerbahce just needs to win one more set, and they make it to the final four. They're up in the second set. Vacavbank fights back, wins it. And it's like, holy crap, they just had that opportunity. Then VacavBank wins the third set. Then the fourth set, and it's like, okay, Fenerbahce, this is their last chance to win this outright. They're up big, and we looked at each other so many times, like, how did they lose this? Because they were up so big. VacavBank just, like, found a way, and it was insane. And they, like... pushed it to the golden set because they won in four. And Fenerbahce was up 6 -2 in the golden set? You guys, it is crazy. I don't even know. It was like they would come up with these aces at the most perfect times and they would get blocks at the most necessary times. So one other thing, we talked about not running the middle for Fenerbahce, which I thought was an issue. The other thing that kind of had me scratching my head from a game plan standpoint was I thought Fenerbahce served Bossetti too many balls. Like, her only job is ball control and passing. You need to make Markova pass every single ball. You need to serve her short. You need to move her around. And granted, Bossetti was... poaching balls and stepping in front of her, which was what they probably trained to do. But they did not try and exploit Markova enough from the service line. in my opinion. Now, you have a couple girls who go back and bomb. Vargas has the green light to go back and just hammer the ball wherever she wants. She hits it hard enough to cause trouble wherever she decides to serve. But with the other players who aren't serving with that much velocity, they didn't target her enough, and she was free to go out and swing far too often, in my opinion. I agree. Katarina Bosetti, her passing is impressive. Markova used to be a middle, and what she's doing transitioning to the outside and what she's able to do, it's quite frankly incredible. But challenge her. She's 6 '7". Like, serve her short. Make her move. Just keep the pressure on her. With somebody, you're going to, if you have a choice between serving Katarina Bosetti or Marina Markova, the choice is simple. Yeah, and if you look at the stats, Markova passed 30 balls, Katarina passed 16, but it was too much. And their libero passed 40. So, yeah, they just didn't generate enough trouble from the service line to the right person, in my opinion. Overall, so entertaining. Not just from a skill perspective, but from what was on the line. Is Fenerbahce going to do it? Are they not going to do it? Like, we love a golden set. We've talked about this so many times. And an iconic rivalry. An iconic rivalry. Like, up 6 -2 in the golden set. Like, there were so many times where, as a viewer, you're like, oh, Fenerbahce's got this in the bag. And then, Vakafeng just found a way. It was so entertaining on so many levels. It was, to watch this caliber of athlete, like, Federer -Otseva. her career is going to be incredible. She's 20 years old. Even these players, Anna Christina is early 20s, Melissa Vargas, say mid -20s. The future is going to be very exciting, and it was just so fun to be able to watch this. Totally agree. If you are a volleyball fan and you're looking for something to watch, and I know we say this. probably too often, but this is the best volleyball there is. It was incredible. Like you want to see what we mean about the Turkish leagues, the Italian leagues, go watch this and you will see the differences that we are talking about between these leagues and other ones. So we are in the heat of it. We're starting to see specific matchups. We're starting to see. Final fours in place for Champions League. So what I wanted to do this week is I've picked out a couple matches from each of the leagues that we follow, highlighted a few games that are coming up, and I want your take on what you think is going to happen in those matches. Well, should I do what I think or should I do opposite day? Because whenever I make these predictions, they're wrong. No, I want you to give me what you think, and I will do this as well. So let's start with the Women's Champions League. So we have the semifinals are set. And remember, these are one -off matches. So we have Milano versus Conigliano. Gut instinct, who's going to win? Conigliano. Give me a three, four, or five. I think they'll win in four. I'm going to say Canigliano in five. I think Milano's going to push them. That's an Italian Cup rematch, which was a really good match. So I'm going to say Canigliano in five. And the other semifinal, which we alluded to, is Vakith Bank versus Scandici. Where are you with that one? I'm going to say Vakith Bank in three. I'm going to say Vakith Bank in four. Okay, so there's our Women's Champions League predictions for their semifinal. Now I want to go back. I'm curious what you're going to think here. So we watched the Greece versus Poland. We talked about that at length. What a great game. Now that was the first round of the men's quarterfinals in Champions League. They are heading back to Poland. What do you think is going to happen in that match in Poland? My instinct is that Poland will win in three. But should I give Olympiakos a bit of respect and say four? Well, I was going to say that Poland's going to win in three, and my caveat was going to be they're going to hold them to 20 and under in each of the three sets. I think they will for sure have something to prove, and Olympiakos had no business winning that match. That was a match of a lifetime, in my opinion. It was one of those magical moments. And I just don't see that happening again. Okay, I'm going to say Ostrowski in three. Okay. So those are our Champions League predictions. One, we have to wait until May. The other one, we'll know what happens next year. Well, I think the other Champions League men's matches will all be the same result that we saw. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Moving forward to NCAA men's. So CSUN has two matches. this coming week against ranked opponents. And, you know, we've been talking about them having a ranking and not playing anybody quote unquote good. So CSUN, who is seven versus Lewis, who I sewered last week at 14. You were nice to them. That niceness sewered them. Exactly. I picked them as being very well ball controlled, you know, a team that makes you beat them and they went and lost both matches. CSUN and Lewis. What's your prediction? Full disclosure, I haven't watched CSUN at all. I'm just like, yeah, why are they ranked top 10? Maybe I should watch them. CSUN and Lewis. I'm going to say CSUN. Okay. And then CSUN and Loyola Chicago. That's a 7 -8 matchup later in the week. These are hard. I'll say Loyola. These aren't like informed predictions. No, that's fine. So we've watched Lewis and Loyola Chicago play. We haven't watched CSUN, like you said. I think Lewis wins in five and Loyola Chicago in four. You think CSUN's going on two? I think they're going to go 0 for this week. That's my prediction. Dang. Okay, moving on to PDF. We have the Orlando Valkyries and the Atlanta Vibe. Oh my gosh. Play this week. Last week I was like, Orlando's not going to lose. I've never seen it. They haven't given me any indication. But like momentum would say. Well, and this is the interesting thing. So they're close in the standings. Orlando's coming off an 0 -2 week. Atlanta's coming off a 3 -0 week. I think Orlando was 1 -2. I think they also had three matches. But they've lost two in a row. Dang, Atlanta's off of a 3 -0 week. Who's hosting? Do we know where they're playing? That I actually don't know. Oh my gosh, this is a really tough one. I'd like to think that Orlando can turn it around again, but maybe people have figured something out. You know what? I love a momentum shift. Let's say Atlanta. I'm going to go Orlando in five. I think this one's going the distance. But I'm a fan of Orlando, so I think Orlando in five. Okay, okay. And our last prediction moves to love. So Madison and Salt Lake play each other this week. Records are tied for third. And I'm curious who you think is going to win. Well, I just said I love a momentum kind of play here, and Madison's on a roll, so why not continue it? I'll say Madison. I like the way Madison has been playing. I think they're also going to win. I actually think this one's going to be 3 -0. Madison's just like, surprise, everybody. This is the only team Adam has hated since we've started the podcast, and now look at them. They're like... Coming on. Hey, I am willing to change my opinion if they figure it out and teams change how they're playing. So those are my predictions. It is time for listener questions. I've got a larger roundup than usual this week. So question number one is, do you think the relaxing of the rules on carries and double touches is positive for the game? I'm so torn about this. You are? I am not, shocker. So do I think that it is good for the athletes? No. Do I think that it's good for the viewing experience? Yes. You don't want to have whistles and stop action. From a purely viewing standpoint, I understand why they made the rule. I think the thing that bothers me the most is when a team gains an advantage from being able to do something super sloppy. Like if I hit the ball at you really well and I run a good play and it's like off the shoulder and the setter like flicks it from their chest, like you should call that. If you're in good position and, you know, the middle doubles the ball on a set because they got stone hands, like let that go. You know what I mean? I think there needs to be, and I don't know how you referee this fairly, but a little more gains in advantage to the call. If I could do it properly, that's how I would do it. I am a volleyball purist. I think it is a beautiful game, and I think that these rule changes are making it sloppy and ugly. I don't like it, and quite frankly, if you can't set, go practice. How to set. I think I said this in a very early episode. It's called Volleyball for a reason. The title skill should not be mutilated. Okay. So I think that the game is supposed to be played in a very clean, beautiful way. And I do not like it. And that's all I have to say about it. So this question came. as we've been talking about players and national teams, and it was, do you think Liberos should really go overseas? And this person was specifically talking about Lexi Rodriguez and Elena Scott. Love has very good athletes, and it's not like Liberos get to sign with Italy and Turkey frequently. So they're kind of comparing... You know, are they getting better playing in love and PVF or is it worth going overseas if they're not going to make a ton of money or play in a lower league because they don't really sign liberos? I'm curious what you think about this. Okay, we have said that it is tough for liberos to make a career overseas. If people are bringing in foreign players, they're usually point scorers. So it is tough for foreign liberos to like make a lot of money overseas. And you typically, I mean, in Italy and Turkey, the liberos there are outstanding. Fair point. I get it. My question is, is it better to sit on the bench in love and get no playing experience, or is it better to play in the PVF, which I personally do not think that the level is quite there? than to go play in Germany and France. And we can argue about how Germany and France level compares to love all day. I'd be happy to. But there is something to be said for practicing with and against those types of players every day versus being on a B side and not getting adequate game experience. Add to that the fact that you have opportunities to play Champions League, Chev Cup, matches like that, where you are going against national team athletes. The ball is coming at you faster, different angles, which you will experience internationally. So quite frankly, yes, I do think that Lexi Rodriguez and Elena Scott should go overseas because the opportunities for them to see. the opponents and the level of competition that they will play at the international level is just more realistic and more likely to happen than it is in love. And again, I personally go watch some Champions League games. It doesn't even have to be the Turkey quarterfinal matches. Go watch them. The level is not the same. And so, yeah, I think it is important for them to do that if they want a national team career. And that's... That's exactly the case that I think makes sense. If your goal is to play internationally for the U .S., as I imagine that it is for Elena Scott and Lexi Rodriguez, go and be the second libero for one of those teams in those top leagues. And listen, national teams do this all the time. Everybody knows each other. They could go and make $2 ,000 a month. And play for those teams and be in the gym. Those arrangements can be made. And you will play defense against Vargas, against Markova, against all of these top players. And it's just different passing that ball every day in practice. It's not even about the competition. It's about understanding the speed and the angles of how the game is played at the highest international level. Are they going to make a living? No. And that's fair. But it depends on what your goals are. Okay, this one's for you. If you hadn't played for Nebraska, what program would you have chosen to play at? And if you played in the NCAA today, what program would you choose to play for? Ooh, okay. A little story time with Sarah, I guess. So my recruiting journey was very interesting. When it really came down to it, I would say my top four. choices were Nebraska, Minnesota, Stanford, and Penn State. I was choosing between those four programs. And then I guess after visiting them all, my final two were actually Nebraska and Minnesota. So if I hadn't gone to Nebraska, I probably would have chosen Minnesota at the time. And actually my freshman year, they made the final of the NCAA tournament. So back then they were like very good. Today, well, and actually I loved the coach, Mike Hebert. When I called him to tell him I wasn't going, I literally cried because he was such a nice man. And I loved the Twin Cities. Anyways, there was a lot of reason. Minnesota would have been a great fit for me, I think, as well. But Nebraska was where I was meant to be. Um, today, if I played in the NCAA, this is a very interesting question. I probably would still choose Nebraska or Pitt or Penn State. The reason I say Pitt and Penn State, well, I say Nebraska because I had an incredible experience there. I think it's like an incredible volleyball environment. It's second to none. Like I wouldn't have traded my experience for anything. But observing the NCAA now, what I see from Pitt and Penn State is just a culture that seems very conducive to who I am as a person. And I think it's so beautiful to see how much the athletes seem to respect Dan Fisher and Katie Schumacher -Cauley. It's just like... It seems like a real family atmosphere where excellence is at the core. And they're gritty. They're gritty. Like, I just have really liked what I've seen both on the court and interpersonally from the team, like the athletes, and how the athletes engage with the coaches in those programs. So I would pick one of those three probably. Question four is, can there be in -season trades in PVF and Love? So the short answer is in PVF, yes. Wait, really? Yep. Teams and general managers can trade players, trade picks. In -season. As far as I'm aware, I believe that that is the case. I don't think you see it very often as of right now, but I believe that it is allowed. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's the case. Now with Love, it's a little more tricky because none of the teams are singly owned and operated and it's done by the league. I'm not sure what the process is. Now I know, and I think it was either Omaha or Madison recently. Madison recently added a player to their roster. So if I had to guess. I'm guessing the teams go to the league and make a petition of like, hey, we have an injury or we have this, this player's available, you know, can we bring them in? But that's different than trades. I don't think there would be trades. Right, I don't think there are trades either. But I'm just, in terms of bringing players in, I looked at trades as in like modifying your team. So, yeah, I very much doubt that teams would trade between each other, but in terms of adding players to your roster, I don't know what the mechanism is, but it can be done. Question five is where does innovation separate from rule changes come from? Does it come from coaches or players? And this person by innovation meant a new technique that impacts the opposition or affects how the game is played and is adopted by others. Yeah, I mean, I think all of those kind of competitive advantages, which is essentially how I see the question come from. players and coaches trying to do things. You can think about servers lining up behind defenders and blockers so you can't see. You can think about people coming in and faking a hit on two and jump setting a ball. It's all of these things that some are driven by players, some are driven by stats guys, some are driven by coaches who have ideas and you try them in practice, you see what happens and then... You break them out in a match and someone goes, oh, I really like that. I'm going to do that as well. So yeah, I think generally by players and coaches as they try and find advantages over other teams. And I mean, I think the biggest type of change we've seen from an innovation perspective is on the beach volleyball side recently. I would say the game since 2021 Tokyo Olympics to now, it's a completely different game. They've relaxed the hand setting rules. So you're seeing women in particular, so many women hand setting. The speed of the game has increased tremendously. You're seeing the offense be run almost like indoor right now with like how it's run to the pin, the jump setting. And I would say the jump setting innovation was probably started by the Swedish men. They came on the scene. They were really young, 19, 18 years old, and they were jump setting and nobody had seen that before, but it was effective. so many teams trying to do it so I think yeah it's like coaches being like I wonder if this would work or players it's a collaboration for sure but yeah and the last question we have for today is regarding positions so Skinner moved to the opposite as a hitter for love and she played left side in college what are the differences in the roles between an opposite and an outside And then also, is there a difference between the two outside hitting positions on a team? Opposite is typically regarded as the point scorer. So their main role is to score points in the attack, blocking, and serving. Outside hitters, you typically see them be a little more well -rounded and perform all skills. So they are required to pass and play defense in addition to scoring points. So I would say that that is like the main difference between the two positions. As an outside, you have to focus on both sides of the game. Not that you don't as an opposite, but the expectation of your role is not. on the defensive side whereas like as an opposite it's mostly like a single -minded focus of just score points so it's definitely a different mindset shift and the expectation of what you need to do on the court changes there is a difference between the two outside hitting positions so as we know there are three rotations when the setter is in the back row so there are three hitters in the front row and then when the setter gets to the front row there's only two So typically when the setter is in the front row and you have one less attacker, you want your stronger attacking left side to be up front with the setter because you have less options. You want to make sure that you have a prolific score up there with them. The hitter who is typically in the front row when the setter's in the back row is usually better at ball control and defense. They aren't required to carry as heavy of an offensive load because there are other hitters in the front row with them. So I would say that that's the biggest difference, unless you have something to add. No, I think that that was very succinctly put. Thank you so much to everybody who submits questions. We still have a very long list that we have to get through, but we love hearing what you guys have to say, answering the things that you're curious about. So continue to send them in. We love to receive them. And this is always my favorite part of the show. All right, looking forward to this week. Now, we talked about some of these in our predictions, but we'll go over them here, and you'll see them in the description on YouTube. If we look at Love this week, the head -to -head match is on Thursday at 8 o 'clock Eastern, and that's between Madison and Salt Lake, Madison winning 3 -0. You can see that on Love Live or DAZN. The Weekend in Love is in Omaha, so we'll see if they can turn things around on Friday and Saturday. The Friday matches are Omaha and Austin. That's on ESPN+. And the Saturday matches can be found on Love Live or the Women's Sport Network. Champions League men's quarterfinals are going to finish up this week. Those matches are going to be Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, and you can find those on eurovolley .tv. If we look at the NCAA men's action, Friday and Saturday at 9 o 'clock Eastern, Grand Canyon and BYU play a back -to -back series. That's going to be on Big Ten Plus. And then on Saturday, CSUN plays Loyola Chicago at 7 o 'clock Eastern. Again, Loyola Chicago is going to win that one. Probably on ESPN+. And finally, if we look at the PVF, Wednesday at 10 o 'clock Eastern, San Diego and Orlando have a rematch from this past week, and that is going to be on the PVF YouTube channel. On Saturday at 7 o 'clock PM Eastern, Omaha plays Indy, and that's on Fox Sports 1. 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