The Nintendo & Zelda Situation Is Getting WORSE | Nontendo Podcast #51
Live from Southdown Coffee in Glen Cove, NY, the Nontendo boys bring you some hot topics from the past week.
2023-05-12
62 min
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Now everybody's looking at I know you want to talk about the whole the whole coffee shop's looking at the line of people that want to order something. Yeah, too bad. We're doing a podcast today. We're out of We're out of coffee shop today. It's very weird. Yeah, we're back in a coffee shop. We're doing We're We're supposed to do someone special. It is special because next episode, this episode to the actual special. Yeah. No, next episode is one whole year of doing the podcast. Yes, which is very exciting. We have just it's the never ending anniversary because we had episode fifty and made a big sting about that. But that's not to celebrate again. Soon sixty nine. Good for that one. We could do something there. Today we're at Southdown Coffee in Long Island. Thanks for coming. That was a long drive. It was a drive. Yeah, I left it too. It took four hours to get here. It was very ste all the way from Australia. All the way from Australia, there was a point where I like I came out from Jersey, I like went all the way around New York City and I popped out and I had this view of New York city, like the entire skyline and it was very nice. It was worse. It was everything. And this area is super nice too. This area is very nice. I used to have an office. Uh, Me and Cassini back there had an office. It's like a blog away. Why did you Why did you can? I get it? No? This was too you could if you want. It's like a we work situation. You know, we work. Yeah, we you work, I work, you work, work work. No, it's like it's like a shared space. I got that because my I was at my parents basement. I used to work out of their basement and it was flooding and they had to redo the whole thing. So I got kicked out for two months. So I had to get a little shared office space. So it's just for two months. Yeah, do you like it? It was good. It was nice. It was cool to drive up here and work with Cassini over there. We had it was a very tiny room. What are we talking about today? You know what I like? What Tars of the Kingdom? Oh my god, let's let's just talk about that for a whole couple months. It comes out tomorrow technically today. Because I am Australian. Oh, because you could play. Yeah, you're just letting us know. Forgot the Australian E shop. You can download things early, so I'm sure at this point I am or I already am live on Twitch with it. I am getting it from the Wizard. Oh yes, yeah, the Wizard's dropping it off to me today. Have you actually ever talked about who the Wizard is? No, the Wizard, The Wizard is just a mom and pop shop that's in New York that just don't care about this is I don't know what you showed it in a video I've never shown, like, stop, you're giving too many clues away. It's just like end of the yellow brick Road. I halfway along the road and someone's like, it's just a mom this Okay, it's one behind this mom and pop shop doesn't care that people know. But I don't want them to get in trouble, right because I don't want them to stop the right doing it, you know, like the mum and pop stool that I did or did not get my switch from exactly. Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, high five for theft. You posted a video I did about your stupid switch. Did you watch? I did watch. I was infuriated. Why I got. Three cores away through the video, I was like, he's lied about I can't believe this guy. He lied about it. Now, no one's ever gonna believe him again when he makes another stupid video. And then and then three fourths away through the video, you're like, I just get Did I actually get you? You got me? Yeah? Yes, that's a shoppy and drawing on yes, wow, because I didn't look that hard. You know, that's the only thing that like when you showed me the picture during the podcast that you got the Yeah. If you don't know, he made a video about where he got the Tears of the Kingdom switch and the whole thing was a lie, and the whole thing was intended that I faked it. It was it was a it was a goofy. He played a goofy. I was a goofy gaff. Yeah, he made it seemed like he lied about where he got it. But then he anyway, where's that going? Who are you were mad at me? Yeah? Because I thought you lied about where you got it. And then halfway through the video like, just kidding, did you? Like I asked you to watch it because I tried doing a really cool shot for the sponsor. That's why I watched it, and then I got mad that you lied to me about where you got the switch. But then it turns out you didn't lie. You were just pulling a Google. Yes, that was a cool shot. Thank you, And some people message me about that while they were watching it. Scoot was one and ham but Scoot I got a message saying, oh my god, I can't believe you did this, you dick. And then almost instantly he said, oh you got me. I got people going into my chat on Twitch being like Woods a liar, blah blah blah. I was like, finished the video. Yeah, because watched the end of it because it's so far in. There's a lot of people that think that I was lying. I just convinced them and then they got bored to the video and left. You know, I do want to say it's insane that I fell for it because I was at his house. Yeah, I literally thought about this. I'm like, I'm so dumb. That's it. You held it, yea hands held it. He held it and didn't get sharpie on his finger. It was an interesting split reaction because nine time a sign of people loved it. It's like a highly liked video for me, like it's got double the likes of normal. Views are great, comments are awesome. But there was also on the reverse side a lot of people that thought not they call it clickbait, so they don't want to watch it and they just assume that it is actually fake. And I was clickbating before with having it. So there's a lot of comments, especially on Twitter, with like you did it again, Like you'll do anything for views, like you should have more self respect. There was someone that said, no wonder, you're depressed. There was so many. I was like, you just watched how does that make sense? No wonder. They said something like you should have more respect for your audience clickbating like this doesn't get you anywhere. And then the last line that they paragraphed out, no wonder you're depressed, and that by the way, and that was another switch channel. And in the bio said father and son team, I'm fine, we just we just dunked on this ship. Yeah, was at the side of the dad a little a little kid to do anything for views. I think had the wrong Australian. So who's the right Australian, Chad anything for views? Oh sorry, that was one of my favorite videos I've made. I love that video. That was so fun. The switch video you did? Uh? You told me to watch it because you did a cool tracking shot for the sponsorship. Did you composite does your video onto the switch? Yeah? I brought up a tenel a loop of green screen, and I just green screen me. Now you can use that for anything. You have a plate, you can do that. You know what else you can do? Make it an unlistened YouTube video and just play it on the switch. That would be good. They annoyed part was when I did the shot of me standing with the camera mover because I had to green screen me onto the switch, to the monitor, and then on the camera monitor. So I had to like do it three times. I had. I had a monitor on top of the camera, right, so I had to green screen all of them to make it look like I was still on the switch for that. Watch it back, you'll see I don't remember that. I just remember the switch. Is there a leak in here? All right? Are you trying to no stupid ass segue? So is that a leaked? Oh my god, I got so confused for there was actually no leak in here. It's a very pristine didn't did we mention? We said we're here at Southdown, Yeah, you did. How much coffee have you had? You have to st lot, dude, he's had a lot, and it's very good. Right before we went to start, he looked at me and said, I had a lot of coffee. I did. I had one today before I even came here, and then they maybe one. This is an oat mill flat white. It's water. I drank it already, he actually did. He had like this much coffee left, and he pulled water in and it's like brown water. He's just very grossed out. It's Americano with almost no coffee in it. Zelida leaked, Yeah, so it's technically outright now, but it already had leaked a week or two ago, and there was a bunch of drama that surrounded the leaks, including kataku I and Nazis. Okay, that's it, and I need to explain to them a lot of But do we want to just start with the leaks in itself? Have you seen anything? Look anything? No, I don't want to look at anything because normally I don't care, Like I don't care if there's like previews of the game, like I'll check it out, like if somebody's gonna record on it. But I also don't care about people pirrating stuff except for current switch stuff, like I think it's very I don't. I think that's I don't like it. I don't like that people are downloading Tears of the Kingdom and playing it. I don't like it. It's also like posting the previews of their stolen content. Yes, like I've been so scared about avoiding leaks and spoilers. I had to delete a comment today on my video because someone just posted a straight up spoiler. It was a light spoiler. You want to hear it. No, it was very it's very I don't even consider it as spoiler. But I still Okay. Then then sure, everybody close your eye. Close your eyes if you're listening to this podcast. In my tier list, I put on the tear List video today of ranking everything that I hadn't watch it because I had to fix what you did. So now I have the official correct te list on my channel if you want to watch. That was perfect, Well, it was perfect for you. See, people loved that episode. There was a lot of strange comments, a couple of death threats, but that's okay. There are people that agree with you that I'm sure. Oh, actually, can I read you a comment? I saw the way by the people that were like, yeah, I get it. I am all over the place right now. So this so much coffee? This this, this is your clientele. I have only played all Creator in Breath of the Wild. But Bob is right about Ocarina as a zoomer. Whoa this is who believes you as a zoomer? I also, I always felt our Creator is overhyped and outclassed by modern games and story gameplayer depth. Yeah right, imagine that it feels odd when people continue playing this game, and it's almost like saying the original Mario Bros. Or a pac Man is the greatest game of all time. The original Mario is my favorite game. This is who you're appealing to. Yeah, the same people that like our soap videos on TikTok. No. Actually I noticed, yes, okay, I noticed that I'm all over the place. Maybe I asked for decap What did you give me? What was I saying? I don't know. I've got a really cute tiny spoon. We are blowing up on TikTok. We have forty thousand followers on TikTok now, and almost all of our talks get like hundreds of thousands of views. Really, I don't understand what's happening. I did see a couple of Mesh and the count it's a it's wild. We only have sixty thousand subs. I want that play butt. TikTok is going to pass. Oh yeah, I realize now there's a war of followers between TikTok and YouTube, and I think we're going to hit one hundred thousand followers on TikTok before YouTube. We should put shorts on the main channel. It's a different conversation because then we'll get those same types of uh numbers. We can try it music too, don't really Joe Rogan music. We should green screen us in the Joe Rogan set. Yeah, and try and try to push some short of pill. Give Bob Alpha brain, see how he handles it on full cups. If you cut to Joe Rogan making one of his weird noises after whatever you say, that works really well. I've never watched a Rogan. What noises does he make? So there's one I don't know there's one where do you want me to actually hit the noise, We'll pull the mic go away from me a little bit. One where he's just going like, yeah, he does that every time, every time he's done on his podcast, which doesn't that I am doing it? Yeah, I mean, have you seen those nipples? I have seen. It's like the old Mentors commercials where they get like really big men toss what do you say, men, men toast, men toast? Well that's not as wait wait, I've never seen a Menthos commercial where they get really big nipples that. Have you seen a Mentos commercial that sounds like a fake? I usually get them right before the fun videos start. We're having too much silly. I don't like that people are playing the game right now. And oh I didn't tell you what the comment was though. Comment the comment on my video today because in my video I talked about the weapons breaking in Zelda and I was like, I wonder if the new one. They were like, oh, I hate to tell you, but after playing half the game, the weapons do still break. Okay, well that's so. Yeah, it's obvious, but I still blocked him. There should be it'd be well, he's firing in the game, so that's a horrible way to play it. You remember when Breath of the Wild was first emulatable, it crashed all the time. It was laggy, and that's the best way to experience Breath of way. They have to iron out the bugs. The community has to come together and like make MUDs to make it run more stable and fix it up. I can't imagine playing Taste the Kingdom on USU. I think it's probably fine. I think it's probably optimal. Do you know, because it's almost the same as Breath of the Wild. He's a pirate. They're just copying and pasting it, but he's playing it already. I think it'd be nice if they had some sort of way to like enchant the weapons that you like, like later in the game. Well, we don't know that yet. We don't know. We might know it today. Can you run to Gaddon that I didn't want to ask him and he's blocked, so I can't go back. But time people watch this, they're gonna know. There was a demo event that they did. They invited some people to it and they talked a little bit about it, and they brought up weapon durability. If you guys want me to give you the facts that I know from from that. No, it's from the legal like Nintendo invited event. I don't want to, okay, I want well, well, if Nintendo said it, I kind of want to. Yeah, yeah, I want to want to be treated. It's it's nothing that they didn't already show. They just explained it more in clear. So they still break. I'm sorry they still break. They still break. But they showed this off in the ten minute demo gameplay trailer. If you fuse it, it just brings it back up to like use it when it breaks, when it's breaking, when when it's blinking red. Yeah, you fuse it with something, but but it's a different weapon then, right, use. Yeah, that's cool. I can't wait to fuse things. I know I'm gonna fuse a lot of stuff. I saw a polygon posted like a TikTok that seemed like they were playing a leak or something like, oh, there's in a bargo, Like, what did you hear about? I saw them fusing stuff? Did you hear I heard about kotakk fried chickens. I don't know about that, but Kotaku so Kataku yeah has previously in the past, their nazis been known for posting leaks of things and talking about what was the last one. It was like Pokemon. So I heard they were like, you can you can play Pokemon on PC. Here's how you do it. I heard it started with Metroid Dread. Yes, ye, yeah, you could play Metroidredd. There was a preview of that. So they've done this before. And then that's really that's when they got blacklisted, supposedly, but I thought, I don't like it blacklist for a while. Well they are now because they and they joined the club. They love doing this. Yeah, welcome on and everybody. They love doing this. They love teaching people how to emulate Nintendo's new as games, which does seem like a Really I don't think that's exactly what they did. I think they just said people are emulating it. I don't showed exactly how to do, but they said how it would be an article about how to emulate Metroid. Even if they did, they pull an RGT RGT straight up, just trying to Fay's got the red tape. But yeah, they said what program to use? I believe, and that's you know, that's what I Yeah. I don't think they had like a tutorial. They were just like people are downloading and playing Metric. Can you imagine if I was still an ambassador and in a way Katako is because that what these companies, these bigger companies actually do work with Nintendo. They're not cool Nintendo. They're on the news. Yeah, but they game early. This is one of the very very few publications that will give the game early to Nintendo life to Katako, they will actually get it maybe a week early, and give them time to play it and get the review out day one. So if you're in that position, maybe don't tell people about the leagues and way to find him and how to get them and how to play him. I mean, I don't think they went that far, is what I'm saying. I think they just said people are playing Metridrid early. Uh. I believe the article. I haven't looked at this since metro jed that might have showed footage dread told you how to do it. Oh moment, there you go. I'm pretty sure they had the event where USA Celtic did it. They you can go. They had people play an hour of it or twenty minutes of it that you couldn't show, and then they had an hour of gameplay that you could capture and show certain things. Honestly, that was the event. That was like last week, something as big as Katako, even if bad bones. All they did was, oh guys, Zelda has a leaked people are playing it on PC using Yuzu emulata, so watch out for spoilers. I still think that's walking up. I have it. They haven't they had. I remember this article It said metro Dread is already running on Switch emulators, and it's all about how Metro dreads already running. But there was an update at the very bottom. This was in twenty twenty one. It says an earlier version of this story was understood by many readers to be a direct suggestion to illegally download this just released game. We regret this interpretation and apologize as the original article did not meet our editorial state. That's why I get down. I do also want to bring up they change the whole Nintendo was not the first one to block and ban Kataku. They're following Bethesda was the first company to uh block and band them for talking about leaks and insider info about there. To me, this still just sounds like they should know better by now. Yeah, I mean this was everyone's argument with point crow you should know better. We can argue whether or not you should have, but Katako at this point has been warned enough. It's a fine line that is blurring more and more every day between games journalism and being just an influencer talking about video games because like, we can get away with a lot because we're just the guy talking about just guys. We're just why guys do get like media access to some stuff. We're just we're like journalists lights, you know, We're just a couple of silly fellas. Journalists are held through a different standard. Dicking around with that little coffee talking about Nintendos. I need I need a little more coffee. The reason why we're going a little hot on him is because they're complaining, Um, they're complaining about being blacklisted joined the club. Ethan Ethan Gash, I don't know how to pronounce it, tweeted, it's well, I'm reading a tweet. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. It's preview day. Fa Zelda Tears of the Kingdom a huge game. I would love a Kataka to be able to inform it's millions of readers about firsthand. What Sorry, I just saw your face. I've not finished. Unfortunately, Nintendo still has it blacklisted from advanced coverage, a move I would argue is both unprofessional and core. What's that saying English? I mean YouTube from Australia unprofessional and coercive. Coersive is a word coercive. Good job, guys has two valves next both successful YouTubers, one million subs. I went to college. I never knew, but it seems like I did better states away. I did my best in high school. I did not. They told me I passed. They told me, are you in remedial classes? I was in the small kid class, so that's what they called it, the small kids, And I was like holding the ship class, sure students, something intellectual, something dumb? Oh honey, maybe my mom just told me that it was the dull swasticks on your phone. That's my wool paper. How did this turn into that? This is what is this article? This is what Kataku was saying about the thing. Now you made me lose the swastikas written by Luke Plunkett, who wrote for the Record, this is how I feel about publisher blacklists and he posted a Nazi fighter. Yet no, no, no, it's an American fighter jet with flags adorned symbolizing that's who he shot down and how many it's it's it's yeah, and there's the Japanese flag. Yea, god damn, that's even understand what it is. Then, like, I'm not is he saying that he's the Nazi. He's saying, that's the American fighting. I didn't study the picture. I thought what he was saying is Nintendo on nazis. That's what I took it as as well, that's what he's he's saying he's fighting again. But now I'm realizing, but that is what they're saying. It also looks like because like he got shot down by Nintendo, so it kind of implies that he is one of the fighter jets that is adorned on the Who is this guy again? He's a senior writer at katak. He shouldn't be he is, He shouldn't be still he still is tweeting this. You know what? I think the funniest thing is he deleted that tweet and then he uh, right, so I'm gonna bring you my phone just whatever what I feel like that's easier, whatever reason Nintendo had got a wireless microphone, we have whatever reason Nintendo had for black listening him they call out maybe they also fight. So he deleted the tweet and then screenshotting his own tweet and posted it high I wanted to talk about a bad and dumb tweet, I mean, so he just re uploaded the tweet and then he and then he has a whole I know, but but photos don't They don't do well on Twitter, so he thought not too many people will see it. He is, in fact that we put the photo up. Photos do what they do, So I'm trying together, is they do much better. Whatever reason than Tender had to black list Katako, they are justified in their black listing now because that's that's messed up. Yeah, yeah, I hate Katako? Is that Katako? I would have to say, ta tak Yeah, ko taku tak There sponsors, we go up Mexic thing. They do questionable things. Tacos are on the way. I didn't orderly well ordered together. We literally coercive. Y'all learned a new word today. Did I say that American or Texas? What do you mean? The food we got is Peruvian? We got Mexican food. It said it on the site that it was Perusan said Cactus Cafe. All right, guys, I don't think that's important right now, there's a segue. This Dad is a good great So no, you know, I am not because I'm getting the game of day O. The other are to be live on Twitch. But even if I wanted to go, well, I wanted to go, and then uh, the launch, like they do the work Pipe Pass, you have to preregister, preregister, so this is to go to the Nintendo of America store at midnight and pick up to Kingdom on launch and it's an event, like yeah, like it's excited. I've been to a bunch of those and like they it's it's it's a huge thing. And then people wait in line and people show up. It's a good time and they give you like you know, special merch and it also like getting like the special edition that that like you probably only get it there now. But like the work Pipe Pass came out yesterday at eleven am and it the whole everything crashed like it was full blown syntax error and I couldn't get it in And then Bob sends me in tweet eleven fifteen saying, oh it's working now, And it was completely sold out and like everyone who normally goes to this is could not get the Nintendo New York City Twitter account said, Uh, we fixed it. You can now register and it was already I was going to say because Alex C and D, who is known for doing the midnight launches and waiting thirty days for the new switch, he was the first person to buy Anintendo Switch in America. Uh, said he was going to go, said he was going to go, and then also couldn't get a ticket. He's the guy guy. I told him that, and the someone he like further goes on to ask like if anyone has like a ticket, Like I'm like, DM me, I'm willing to like make an offer, and some dude replied under him, I'll send you any footage I get. That's terrible. I went the smart route and I hit a goald and I was like, remember me, So I really think I'm still gonna go? Yeah, just still be able to work with Well, I don't look, I'll be fair. I texted, can I go to the Nintendo wel event? You ever been drunk? In his poll anyway? Yes, different story. You don't remember that. Um I hit up my old goal and rep so I was like, can I still like cover the event? And they were a little confused. They're like, what are you You're trying to get clearance to shoot? I was like, I just want to come to the event, and so like most likely I'll be able to go, but yeah, it's different, Like I feel bad because I still do the work pipe pass in case they don't let me go. But it was like totally impossible, and I got a bunch of dms on Twitter. Everyone was like did you get in? It's like no, It's like no one did well. First of all, this is a huge launch because but they haven't really done launches in years. This is the first since pre COVID that it's like a mega launch. They've done some midnight launches, but nothing as big as this. The last big one was what Mario or Pokemon like it was yeah, Pokemon, well, I mean to like Progress and Shield was pretty big, but Mario Odyssey was like the biggest one. I The last time I went there was uh, the old but that was the day it came out. That was that was midnight. It wasn't a midnight we went with Kristen. Yeah, it wasn't for anything. We just wanted to go. I'm pretty sure that was the CHRISTA launch event. Yeah, they launched. It's it sucks because like you know, no, that does suck. Someone was saying you should have just shadow dropped it because like I guess, there were people just waiting to do it, and then shadow drop Shodow dropped the war pipe pass because they let everybody know, Like I didn't know it was going to happen between it. It dropped to me they're the only ones who I like, Oh, I have like alert. Would that be any different though, if you shadow dropped it because people still be there? Sure, I mean, I mean in the way of like for people who I guess always go. But I guess I don't know. It's more like making it I guess more fair, but also crashed. If it didn't crash, it wouldn't have been like that. My opinion is I hate midnight launch culture and I'm upset that it's coming back. It should have died. I love midnight launches. I think it's a that's a good service. That's like putting too much. It's I think it's nice because I want that game at midnight I loved. We went to go watch Mario Midnight one of my favorite memories. Oh buddy, I love to see that video. I think that's different. No, it's not at all. No. I think it is because you're not going with with like hungry people who just want to be there to see the movie. I feel I think anybody. I still remember going to Mario Odyssey when we were back in Texas midnight launching the game stuff, and there was like so many people in there. I think they decided to pick up and play the game, and then I got to go home. I played it with Kim all night long. I feel like that is better because I used to do the game. That's an actual memory. I don't I don't remember any other game I just went and got. I don't remember like what that was like, or like going to game stuff that day, like playing the game that day. I remember the midnight launch. I think what Jackson's talking more about is specifically at the Nintendo Store. It's like it's because it's like is it you left, like like a kind of yeah, because it does get weird, like like there are people who get weirdly like I don't know, and they want like it's all about content too, and you see like all the YouTubers there and like, I mean, I did it, so why are you trying to go show that? Because I want to share, but I want to shoot. It's more like I'm not a Nintendo ambassador. I just want to go and shoot it. Like it's more of that. Okay, I'm not. It's a weird like it's a weird like foamos thing that a lot of people have. I sold out. Crash site would disagree. I want the game as early as possible, even before I did this stuff. I want as early as possible because I want to be able to be in the zeite guys. I want to talk with other people about want other people are gonna be talking about it. I want to be part of the conversation. I want to stream it. So if I would probably buy it digitally at midnight, of yeah, I'm buying it digitally the day before. And I also have the collected edition which Scoot grabbed me and I'm waiting for that to get that. I well, that's actually really why I want to go to the mid lunch because I couldn't get it and the store is gonna be the only place I can get the collection. It's tadly to have those midnight lunches. Here's the sick true and everything you were bad. I like, I used to go to the games was problem. I just love them. I just like them. Yeah, I think it is different based on the thing. It's different than a movie personally, because like at a movie, you're the same. It's exactly what the movie you're digesting the uarity of the content. And then the game, like you're gonna buy it, You're not gonna play it at midnight. You're gonna be too tired. Me. No, but that's it's to play it. No, no, no, no no. I will play the game till five am. If I've I'm going to midnight lunch. If I'm excited for a game, I'll be up with night playing. That's what's great about having a digitally is that you don't have to come home. You're already in your house, I know, but I like going and seeing the other nudes. You know, started working midnight and it's midnight, so it's been like at least ten hours since I woke up and showered. You know, you get that wave of the one guy that just smoked weed and he's coming in, you know, and you get the little little tickets and they're like your number three. And then you're standing there and there's that local guy in the line making jokes the whole time. Try to talk to everybody. Yeah, yeah, that sucks. I hate yeah, but it's not I don't want to be talked too. But I just think we remember. One of the worst smells I ever smelled was the Skyrim Midnight launch. I worked that memories I worked. I worked this were you bub was the guy worked the Skyrim Midnight launch and my friends came because they're really excited. They're really excited for Skyrom. Remember it came with a map. No, I've never played it. Remember I opened and I was like, look, it's a map that you can't rip, and I wipped it right. I pre ordered Zelda at game Stop before they bumped it to seventy dollars, so I was able to get it for sixty and then they were like, oh, you can also get the wooden there's like an engraved thing that you can get from game Stop. So I did pre order from there because I do want that wooden thing. I do want to try the Costco hot dogs that good like a dollar. The pizza is good too and fun fact, they will never raise them in price. I know. You know what we messed up on bub We didn't mention that as out down coffee. No, we did mention that we well we did kind of mention, but didn't do one hundred percent correct. A couple episodes ago, we did a skill Share sponsor yes, and we put the wrong link in the description, and the whole thing was you know why that happened? No, and I want to hear in a second, the first one thousand people to click it get skill Share free. We used the link from the last time we did the sponsor, which was the old link that had already used all of the thousand clicks, so nobody got the and then skill Share was like, guys, that's kind of dumb. So we're just gonna put the link because I was in the remedial classes that you were in the smart classes, so we're both It should even out, really, so it's really it's your fault. What does remedial mean? Dumb? Stupid? Oh that's what I am. So we're gonna put that link down below. This isn't technically a sponsor spot, but if you tried to use the skill share link and it didn't work for you. It'll be down below first one thousand people can get skill share free and it's great to do that. So we actually need that because I didn't even know what remedial meant. It's remedial. I'm learning already. And our manager emailed it to the two of us. Usually he puts it in the discord for some reason, sonmailed it at us. Yeah, and then use the old link. Yeah, okay, because I was the only one that was in the discord, So I do that. I've done that before. I've used the rum link. That happens because they don't freaking sponsors almost never give us the link. Yeah, I know, until the very end. Yeah, until until you give it to them, and then they approve it, and they approved, here's the link, and you're like, great scramble, Yeah, yeah, thank you for clicking link. Thanks guys. You know what links I don't? Yeah, sure, you know what links? I never click? No scam links because my channel will get possibly hacked, which is illegal. Huh. You know what else is illegal? Don't touch possibly doing on YouTube or Breath of the whild That was a tough connect. That was a lot of hook I hooped him him. We talked about point Crow again. Yeah, we talk about Point Crow one more time. This would be the third and last, not the last time, the last time, as we've talked about it twice in detail, and we both have had multiple people link us this video from a lawyer that went over the whole case and the whole situation, and they're like, you have to watch this because YouTube. Guys. There were two guys, Moon something are wrong, Moon Something has it right. So we did. He did a very good job. We both watched Moonsts video. I think that's very close Munster his video from It's like a lawyer explaining the law to simpletons to remedials, I have to say. And we did get a lot right. Oh no, we crushed it. I actually don't think we were wrong. There's one thing that he gave insight on that I think was really helpful. We brought up, I think in the second time we talked about point grow the game Genie case. Okay, when I have a different point to make. Game Genie was proven legal because they didn't have any Nintendo assets or anything in their marketing or anything. There was another case. It was somebody was selling Duke nukembe fan made levels. He talked about this in the video. I remember this. This didn't connect with me, so I'm listening. So this is the court case that became case law for mods, which I think is really really dangerous and bad for mods because that's not really a mode. That court case was actually stolen assets like those were Those are assets from Duke nukemb that were resold. So I really don't think that applies here. But the courts might see it differently because they don't understand the technology. And that's what's really scary about this. So do I should I summarize I might need to summarize that in some intell I like to do that. So what quurts usually do is they use examples of other cases when they judge newer cases. And right now when it comes to MUDs, what courts are doing is they're using this old case about Duke Nuka. Well, well what what this YouTuber who is a lawyer thinks they would? And I do just want to clear up his name. His name is Moon Channel. Go check out his YouTube video. It's in that nineteen It's very good. It's a great it's a great video. I just want to give them the shout out so that the quots could be using that old Duke Nukemb case as reference of Yes, MUDs are bad and illegal, but that wasn't as you said, really, am On, it was fan made levels that weren't being sold at which are being sold, So you're selling the assets to the customer, which is directly ripping off Duke Nukemb Whereas what Point Crow is doing is mixing around assets and giving you the code to mix those assets around. I think that's a lot closer to what the game did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so his place point and that was interesting, and yes, Point Crow could stand to lose that case because of that, But does that necessarily mean that he should or that it's wrong? And again, this is where law so often comes down to people just making judgments. What I don't like about the video is he didn't bring up he didn't attribute it to right to repair at all. Because it's our game, we're buying the game, we should be able to do whatever we want with it. But I guess part of that is right to repair. Is it really a law and something people are trying to fight to make a law? You know, So it's not as cut and dry as having the case law that happened with John Deer that I kept bringing up. Yeah, tractor one, the tractor one, yeah, or farmers trying to fix their John Deer tractors and John Deer told him, no, you can't do that. It's illegal. And everyone's like, that's did you say, oh dear, it's like a joke. Yeah, that was funny. Sorry, Oh what else? There's another thing I wanted to talk about with this thing. Yeah, there's something so I had something. Okay, while you think, oh, you go on, Okay, that's the thing in the back of your throat, something that we kept stupid, something that we kept hopping on about. And even Pointcrow was under this understanding at the time, is that Nintendo or abusing the copyright system as a way of flagging his videos copyright because they were mad about the mud. Now, I haven't seen this video about a week now, and I'm trying to remember a little legal jargon. But what my takeaway was was, essentially, they are actually within their rights to do that. It's fair you you brought up the fair use argument a lot, yeah, and fause does not apply. Yeah, And I and I think it was because of the ULA, Nintendo actually are within their legal right to copyright, strike and claim anybody's content at any given time if they determined that they want to. Yeah, it's just and if they want to, so they are actually in their right to copyright because they want to. Yeah, So, like, is it kind of maybe scummy that they did it? Maybe, but they're not doing anything wrong, And we were really hopping on about this is wrong. You just do this because you want to. Well, I liken he brought up Xbox and PlayStation how there and use a license agreements and it's like the same PlayStations is the most egregious it was, But yeah, it's the way we've always talked about this. Any game company, they own the rights to all of their games and all the footage that can be made from those games. What technically, but all of us are technically not I guess following We are following the guidelines, but they are not. They're absolutely not, okay because because part of the YULA is you can't use third party devices at all, and a captured card is a third party device, so you can't even plug it into a captured carment. You can't even plug it into an Hdmi splitter. You're not allowed. Oh my god, you can go to jail. I don't do that. I do. I do a lot worse. What I was gonna say is we are allowed to, but apparently what not even anyway, but even if we were allowed to, Yeah, they are allowed to. That's according to the license agreement. Take it away. I would have liked to have seen a lawyer explain why end user license agreements are so legally binding, because under my understanding is that there's should be arguments around and user license acream. It's like, yeah, if they're unreasonable, or did you say yes, or if you can't say yes before you purchase the thing, you buy it and then you're forced into the contract that you didn't read it. Yeah. I've never ever thought so much about the eulers and the lessens agreements. I just always to say, yes, just scroll to the boy because because you can anyway. Yeah, and our understanding is that nothing's ever happened. But you know, do you think anyone has ever actually bought a game just a general consumer started reading the license agreement and no, yeah, just took it back, like I didn't agree to the life. Absolutely, there's definitely some whackos that are going to sit there and make an afternoon about reading all the people who need to get the game at midnight. They need to get it at midnight because they need to read the whole end user licensagreement they saw coming day. Yeah, exactly, and you thought they want useful Yeah, look at him. Yeah, So I think end user license agreements are very dangerous. I think the whole case law around modifications and stuff are dangerous. I think that there's an I think that we need to do something about the law around mods. Yeah. Oh, there's another thing that I wanted to talk about Nintendo. Just like yesterday, DMCA a GitHub link for the tool that you use to rip your own key off of your switch game. So they're just going after you need this tool to legally mod Breadth of the Wild. So if you wanted to do Point Crows mods, they're forcing us to be illegal. Exactly. This is the only way to legally do it, and they got rid of their their dmcing the only legal way to do it because they just don't want it at all. Yeah, they want nothing to do with it. Yeah, that's insane. They're forcing people to do it. It isn't it is a roundabout way. You are limiting that ways illegally doing it. This is the way that you take the ROM off the cartridge to be fair. So that is your own it's your game. You should be allowed to do whatever you want with it. If I want to play it on the PC, it should be able to. But their uler suggests otherwise. And you they took it off of the Internet. So what I'm taking away from all of this is is that Nintendo or nazis talk. You might have a point. It's what I was saying, That is what I was going to say. I think that Nintendo were very salty about the mod and flexed their right to strike him down for copyright and strike him strike Hi multiple times. I mean, what the main point and take away from the whole thing isn't wrong. The law different is messed up. But while we what we've now established is they are within their right to do all of this. Yeah, but we knew that, we knew that the fair use argument just wasn't no. But we were really I think I think I was, but I think we were both kind of stressing that them using the copyright system to come after them because he didn't mod was scummy. He's still scummy. But this lawyer actually connected the dots with well, actually, because he's modding it infringes on the copyright and they can at any point, as part of their own guidelines, act on their copyright and claim. We explain that, and we explained that in our first video. The only thing that you're now connecting the dots for me, The thing that the that the lawyer said was we kept saying, point crows not selling this mod So he's not committing he's not doing it illegal. It's it's a free thing. But tax evasion. He publicly admitted to paying somebody ten thousand dollars to make it. Yeah, that is definitely illegal, so that he had a real problem with that. That makes it he incriminated himself by doing out of curiosity. Is it legal to still like put a bounty on it, because that like he didn't, that's what he did. He put it down, He put a bounty on it. He didn't. He didn't he didn't say like this is a job. Well, that would have to be in court. Yeah, because you can put a bounty on it and then it happens. So you connect the dots and probably say yeah, you probably from from my income. And then and then you subpoena PayPal and be like, hey, we want to see all the Ye, there's a ten thousand dollars one. That's the way. I guess. I don't understand the legality of that, because if you watched the video, I have watched the video. Yeah, Well, essentially the takeaway it was if they were to go to court punt but would probably lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would probably, which I think is it's messed up that that the courts favor these big companies in that way. I think something needs to be done about end user license agreements and modeling, because I don't think the law understands models the law. I don't think we'd see the distinction between like a duke naked case for example, knew him or what he's doing, or or the game Genie. I think the Game Genie is a better case law in this. Yeah, so he would really have if he did, hypothetically would have call, really have to have his lawyers explain that and fight for that and try and create a new case where certain things are okay. But chances are they might even see the difference and still be like no point. Crow would have to be the case law he would have to fight, he would be the case and that's too much work. So it H three went through with the whole fair. He doesn't have that kind of money, but somebody's got to do it. I think it's a it's a worthy cause to do something about the way the laws these modifications, because it is as bad as the right to repair. Do you think he can get enough of them backing to get like other people like small end or those other dudes. Probably, But I mean, like I know H three when they went through their stuff, they got back to like fifty grand or something, and that went nowhere. That was like gone on day one. But I mean the H three stuff, didn't he like win the keys though? Yeah, So that's the difference. I feel like, Yeah, but what if he spent a lot of money and a lot of tea, Yeah, you spent more than that, and what if he had lost yeah? Yeah. So that's the last time I'm going to talk about that unless something else. Unless something else happens. We have seen that lawyer video and it had a lot of interesting food food for thought. Um, I don't think it changed much about how we perceived a situation, but definitely changed how I perceived if he went to court, hippy screw. It just made me more upset about how the law is viewing it. I know, yeh like, yeah, tax evasion is wrong, but we both do it. No, Wow, that was one time. The only other thing we have is Xbox thing that yeah, you want to talk about it. I don't know what this is. You're gonna have to take the reins. So Phil Spencer was on the kind of funny podcast Our best Friends. Oh. I love those guys. They're right above actually like them on that little iTunes. I listened to the whole podcast. Was great, you gave them a lesson. You're not helping I did. I hope you listened to us to bounce it out. Uh, nope, it was it was they were. They were very professional. They kind of funny. They had like a round they were. It wasn't funny at well the Shons advertising it's supposed to be at least kind of funny. They were. They did like a roundtable thing and they all had really hard questions for Phil Spencer. So Phil Spencer is is that this is? Yeah? Oh? When he like said yeah, Xbox sucks. Yeah. Yeah, And he had a rough week and they were like, hey man, you had a rough week, and he's like, yeah, I've been having a rough week. Not in a good he said, I'm not in a good mood. Dreadful sucks. It looks it never looked no, never, So they keep saying that people are disappointed. How could you be disappointed? It never looked good? But because the studio made this on it Yeah, it's a big student. It's a big studio that I understand. If if if you heard through somewhere that Arcane was making a new game, yeah, you're allowed to be disappointed. Yeah, if you didn't see anything after that, and all you've heard it was oh, Arcane, I want to play this. I think a lot of people you saw anything. I think like people were just sucking down that popium of like, it'll be fine when it comes down, it'll be flyin when it comes out. It's Arcane because that then knowing for making really fun gameplay, really cool stories, and this just wasn't that. No, it's it's bad gameplay and bad story. There's no story. So Phil Spencer's argument was I don't want to deter a studio from making the game that they want, so I, you know, we could. They wanted to make that. Yeah, what went wrong? It seems like they were forced to make a multiplayer game, but they weren't, at least that's what they're saying. Phil Spencer was like, we could have said, make a first person make a make a single player narrative game. What you always do, and you always do a great job. You're not allowed to do any multiplayer games. But they wanted to make a multiplayer game, so go ahead, Well you think the skills would be transferable. They didn't ask if they could, like build a Junda attractor, so they said part of it. They knew early on that it wasn't going to run at over thirty frames per second, and they Phil Spencer was like, one of our biggest mistakes was that we told people it would and we knew that it would. Oh wow. He straight up said that, Holy crap. And he said they they farmed it out to the Xbox first party studios who were good at bumping frame rates, and one of them might think was rare and they couldn't do it, Oh wow, or they're working they're still working on it. They couldn't do it. The time, probably eventually, he said, another giant mistake was we didn't step in early enough. We let them kind of do whatever they wanted, which is what you think would be the best thing to do for these studios. But he was like, we should have jumped in earlier and gave them the resources that we had, meaning we should have told them about our other studios that could help them with certain asccts like getting the frame rate boost. So he really admitted to a lot of stuff. It was an insane podcast. There's a lot to dissects. As an xbooks fan that I am, I have a lot of thoughts and I don't want to bug down on a Nonintendo podcast too much with it. But what is the deal in general right now with frame rates on these new consoles? Because we just had Jedi release and I'm playing that albeit on PlayStation and I it's horrible, not horrible, the game is fantastic, but the frame rates are horrible. I'm playing. I was listening to that podcast and Gary Witter is on what did he did? He did he write anything in a Jedi Survivor because the story he said that he said modern games are having a hard time reaching frame rates like Jedi Survivor, that game sucks and shouldn't have been released. That's not it's true. It's true. It absolutely should have been delayed. I heard that EA even offered them more time and they said no. I heard that. That's crazy. I heard that somewhere. I don't know if that's true, but probably. I haven't played as Oh my God, bad Bob. I've been playing in Performance mode on PC on PlayStation five. It doesn't hit ten eighty, so it runs at sub ten eighty on Performance and it does five and it's not sane and it's not sixty. It bounces. I can't remember exactly what it was. I think it bounces somewhere between like forty fifty something like that, but it will dip down to I swear twenty. It dips down so bad, so chunky. If you're like near a big town or something and you move the camera, it's almost vomit inducing. And you know one switch where the like, uh was out of worlds? Was it that big? When it came to switch and everything really muddy and like the faces like you could you couldn't really make them out. It has that factor to it when you're playing. It almost looks like a switch pot. That's what I'm playing on a PlayStation. Part it also has problems with higher end graphics cards, which is a thing that we're hearing a lot now, Like people yea who have like forty nineties and stuff are having a hard time. We're running games for some reason, Like you, guys, nothing's you're buying these things so that you don't have those problems. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. But I think that these companies now know they can release things and patch it later, and that's been really hard for the This is in a really bad state though. Digital Foundry said, I want to watch that. The best way to play the game is in quality, because even though it's locked to thirty frames, it is locked to thirty frames, whereas the performance just goes everywhere and you're not even getting the full resolution. Ye so, but quality for me and that game is still it feels like a slideshow. It's tough because at times in performance you will get those high frame rates, and when you try and switch to quality, when it chunks down to thirty it's tough. What is happening. It's rough because sometimes games, modern games that are released for consoles sometimes run worse on PC for some reason, and in case like Jedi Survivor and I guess Red Fall, they're running worse on console, running better on PC, but they still have issues on This has to be the most This is the most as as someone who's lived through every generation since a NES, this has to be the most disappointing console generation. Yeah, we just had these two games released. We go Red Full running at sub thirty and the game isn't even good. We have Jedi, which is sick, but it's playing at whatever the heck gets playing at Xbox. Red Fall is like the only game you have Red Full And before that what Halo, I think Psychomaults came out digital somewhere in the game was actually pretty fun. They wanted. That was one of the questions that I think the viral question was. Phil Spencer said at the very end of the podcast, he was like, people keep saying we should just focus on games, make great first part of games, people will switch to Xbox, and he says, nobody's doing that. We lost the worst console generation to lose, which is the Xbox One generation, and no one's going to be selling their PlayStations to buy Starfield, so that's just not their focus. Man is given up. I think he's wrong about that. I think he's wrong too. I think it would be really hard for them to get people to switch on one game. No no, no, even if they would have, they have so much competition with No No, I'm saying, because he's like, no one's going to switch just for star Field. One wrong, two for one game maybe, But if you do star Field, if you do this game, if you do that's so much work they got to fight against and years of back for PlayStation and at the start of Xbox Is launched, they bought seventeen thousand studios. So bring out where is Fable, bring out whatever other games you're working on. The new Gears of War have staff Field, and then people might start looking at that and being like, you know, I might want to switch. Someone brought up to me recently, I don't like PlayStation five exclusive games because I don't play third person action games, and as the only two. If you look at the whole library of PlayStation five games, you have Ratchet and Clink and Spider Man, which are fun, Arkadie Smash Hits. Everything else is a third person over the shoulder probably open world. If it's not open world, it has zombies and sometimes both that accounts as a third person, I would consider that a little more fun in Arkady. But if someone's not into those, and then they start getting two three four games on Xbox, they might like I could see them moving over. It would take a long time and they would have to get they have to make banger after banger, and they're just not doing you know what a long time is though, three four years. You know how long the Xbox has been out for three four years. Here's the problem is that that seems too hard for them, and they're focusing on other things, on winning in other ways like game pass, clouds, game pass, and they took a huge l last week when the UK shot down the Activision merger on the grounds of cloud gaming. They said you would be too big in cloud gaming, that that takes up two percent of the whole industry. So I don't I didn't know. So that's their strategy is winning in other ways, maybe not so much in the console market, but winning on PC and with game pass, and they're not allowed to do it because of the laws that exists. And yeah, and they'll think about the long run too, I mean, like elihood of Netflix. Yeah, that was fun, and they have a game studio that was fun for a while. You know what we have now Hulu and Peacock and Paramount and a billion other things. But Netflix is the only company that's in the green right now. Yeah, yeah, it's the one every other streaming services. I don't care you're running my point. I'm just saying I love you. But Xbox just so solely backing itself behind subscription models isn't gonna last forever. That's not going to keep it afloat forever. No, but understand that Microsoft is Xbox, yes, and Microsoft has the PC whole PC gaming market, so like they're winning there and game passes. Part of that I heard is making a comeback. Yeah, I have my customer. It's Electric Bullaloo. I think day one. I'm a man, I really know. Yeah yeah no, that's a Nintendo exclusive. And I thanked my switch. Nice shirt. Oh thank you, someone finally noticed my shirt. Yeah, so right now. Actually as my film gross, I wore it for my stream I know it stream for a couple hours I was sitting down. They did a splat Zelda collaboration for the news Zelda, and they had shirts on the store, and Scoot had a great idea. He was like, why don't we both buy shirts and we streamed together and we'll just pick a team. You asked me to do that, and I was like, play school, dude. I know the game sucks, but I was like, that'd be a cute, fun time. So I bought the shot. I said, hey, buddy, I bought my shirt. Can't wait to play with you, he messages me, and I started this week. I'm going to California, so I was alone. I told you that I booked the show. Look at the back though. The back. The back is great. The back is really cool. The back got like branding here and then you got Splatoon. You got Splatoon here, so you've got Splatoon here, and then on this side you have this biceteps not as big you have Zelda. I'm straddling this right now. I fully would have been home to do it yesterday, but stuff happened in my life. I wanted to feel good about myself. Shrip. I went to Disney dollar bills also the strip. Same thing for him. He gets the same love and enjoying off Mickey Mouse. Uh wrong, skill shaling. Uh. If we can get back to the Xbox thing, I want to say one thing. I'm sorry, like the full buddy, what you call for us? I listen to the entire podcast too, and I think it's very deceptive of what Xbox is kind of saying and doing because it they they tried to make it sound like we had no faith in Red Fall. That's, in my opinion, just not true because that was like a major marketing player for their entire year. This wasn't just like a I didn't really heard much about it. I it was it was the only game, man, it was one of their biggest Like they were making it like huge, Like this is like as huge as Xbox. They had a lot of marketing budget. This is our zel thing else to spe like, they were really shouting it out. It was like, in my opinion, like the Pickman four to Starfield. You know, Starfield's like there's Elda this year. I don't know, I don't understand anything. To throw it at me, right, Okay, that doesn't make it. I kind of understand a little bit. One of the questions that Florida Starfield so like Red Fall is Pickman four to Starfield's Legend of Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom. I'll hear what I'm saying. I don't think they moketed it. I think they mocketed it just about as much as Pickman Fall has been mockted. No, I it was. It's been the headline of every single. They don't have much showcase. They don't. They have nothing right now, I mean, like, what else would they want. One of the questions that was asked to Phil Spencer was, at what point did you know that Red Fall was bad? Because you have previews, you have mock reviews that gets sent to you, like what's And then he asked to follow up question immediately after it, and it just got lost and he just never answered it. I think he kind of danced around it. So it's unclear at what point they realized it was gonna flop. But I think it's that they let our can make whatever they want because they trust oar Caae because they make great games. And then somewhere, yeah, I mean it is somewhere Towards the end they realized it's not going to run at a good frame rate, but they lied about the frame rate. They had openly admitted to line they lie, I mean, I don't know, but also like maybe they thought they could fix it by the time they launched lying, Yeah, twisting the truth over promising under delivering. Maybe. I mean, it's the same thing Xbox did by announcing things like Fable three and hell Blade at the start of the console generation, full well knowing they are nowhere even close, probably not even started yet. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if Fable hadn't started at that point. A good example of that is when they revealed Cyberpunk and that the whole reveal trailer literally showing you the gameplay, they actually hadn't started yet, and they had to then recreate the cinematic trailer they had made that looked like gameplay and actually tone it into gameplay, which is why it looked so different to when it was revealed. I wouldn't be surprised that the same thing with Fable three help play isn't out until next year, which is five years after they revealed it. Yeah, now that happens a lot. Xbox is a mess. But even looking at PlayStation we're getting these performance issues. These consoles weren't beefy enough when they came out. It looked like it seems like they say Villa. I'd like to say that Nintendo doesn't really have this issue because they have the polish. But then Pokemon, well that comes down to the depth. Just like Red Full, I think, yeah, but I don't know. It's the dumb thing is I feel like both these constom generations, both these consoles in this generation Xbox and PlayStation Xbox more so didn't have much and we're coming up on the end of it, like we're getting into pro season and then absolutely not a year or two after maybe not getting or getting a pro we're gonna start hearing rumors of Bastation seven. They need to make the mid console iteration. They need to fix the issues that the current consoles already have. We're going to be hearing about PlayStation six and whatever the next Xbox if they do one in in two years. Yeah, yeah, problem. I think next year. We're almost done next year or later this year. Other than a Red Full and a Halo Hi Fi Rush, It's great. That is a good one. I actually that was really good. You know what, you know what you know, Hi Fi is a fun thing to say when you see someone, You know what a fun thing to say is when you say goodbye to someone Una. No, that's that's the podcast. 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