Cujo (1983) vs. Christine (1983) vs. The Dead Zone (1983): Part 2

<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, this is Dave Gebro from the Disco Graffiti
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<v Speaker 2>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely You Can't
<v Speaker 2>Be Serious Podcast. We are back for part two of
<v Speaker 2>our Christine Versus Kujoe versus The Dead Zone, the Stephen
<v Speaker 2>King trifecta of nineteen eighty three. All of these movies
<v Speaker 2>forty years old this year, and we're celebrating them on
<v Speaker 2>Halloween month, right shoot, this episode's going to drop right
<v Speaker 2>next to Halloween, so you.
<v Speaker 3>Guys are getting your costumes ready where you're just as
<v Speaker 3>a nineteen fifty eight Red Fury.
<v Speaker 2>I want to wish everyone a happy Halloween. For the
<v Speaker 2>thousands of Shirley fans that we have out there, welcome
<v Speaker 2>back for the thousands of new people who seem to
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<v Speaker 2>as an icebreaker, because the ice is gonna break. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the ice is gonna bright.
<v Speaker 3>You know, every time I think about the Dead Zone,
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<v Speaker 2>Keep it up.
<v Speaker 3>My favorite episodes are when you guys compare movies with
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<v Speaker 3>total recall versus Starship Troopers.
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's fantastic. Oliver Hoven, Yeah, that'd be fun, right, absolutely. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>We did a podcast on Total Recall with the thirty
<v Speaker 2>something movie guys and that was a super amount of fun.
<v Speaker 2>But we could definitely go and deep dive into it,
<v Speaker 2>and then versus Starship Troopers would be a perfect matchup.
<v Speaker 2>That's right.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, just kind of a little side connection
<v Speaker 3>to Total Recall. David Cronenberg worked heavily on Total Recall, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and it just wasn't happening for him, and so he
<v Speaker 3>abandoned that ship and ended up making The Fly, which
<v Speaker 3>we talked about during our Halloween movies.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also that one has been recommended to us
<v Speaker 2>that we do a match out the Fly, and the
<v Speaker 2>suggestion was the thing, right, which would have made sense,
<v Speaker 2>But we've already done that one. Sure, But now I'm
<v Speaker 2>thinking we do that one versus The Body Snatchers because
<v Speaker 2>they're both movies from the fifties that were re made
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and eighties. That'd be fun, that would
<v Speaker 2>be fun. Yeah. Well, guys, you were here to listen
<v Speaker 2>to us talk about Stephen King, so we're going to
<v Speaker 2>talk about Stephen King and the movies that he produced. Yeah. Absolutely.
<v Speaker 3>Once we talk about these three movies, I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>give you a list. So I know you haven't read
<v Speaker 3>too many of Stephen King books. You've read a few,
<v Speaker 3>and we actually put it out as a poll on
<v Speaker 3>our Patriot member and then several of them have read
<v Speaker 3>ten plus books.
<v Speaker 2>By Stephen King.
<v Speaker 3>We are going to give you our list of the
<v Speaker 3>top three Stephen King film adaptations, and then just for fun,
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to throw in my top three Stephen King
<v Speaker 3>books and I may even throw in some short stories
<v Speaker 3>for you.
<v Speaker 2>So sounds great, man, sounds great? Okay, Okay. So we
<v Speaker 2>mentioned last time, or at least we kind of grazed
<v Speaker 2>over the idea that the inspiration for Kujo was actually
<v Speaker 2>an experience that Stephen King had had. He had a motorcycle.
<v Speaker 2>He needed some repair work done to the motorcycle and
<v Speaker 2>was told, Hey, there's this guy who lives out in
<v Speaker 2>the country, but he's really a good mechanic and he
<v Speaker 2>works for a good price. And so he drives his
<v Speaker 2>motorcycle out there, and once he gets there, is immediately
<v Speaker 2>confronted by a very mean, nasty dog.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Now it's interesting because we've gotten that information from Stephen King.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, this, this is what inspired me to write
<v Speaker 2>this book. He's also said, I was so addicted to
<v Speaker 2>alcohol and cocaine at this point that I do not
<v Speaker 2>remember writing the book at all. So it's crazy. Can
<v Speaker 2>remember the inspiration for the story. He just can't remember
<v Speaker 2>writing the story. It's it's kind of nuts.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this will not be the last time that cocaine
<v Speaker 3>comes up, because I've got a story for you that's
<v Speaker 3>gonna play your socks off.
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to hear it. So he writes that story.
<v Speaker 2>As we mentioned, the producer for Christine was also the
<v Speaker 2>producer for Salem's Lot, and Stephen King really enjoyed what
<v Speaker 2>he did with that and said, hey, I'd like to
<v Speaker 2>give you stories that I'm working on to see if
<v Speaker 2>you might like to make those into movies as well.
<v Speaker 2>And this guy's like, yeah, of course, yes, whatever you got, dude,
<v Speaker 2>I'm on board with. And so the first story that
<v Speaker 2>he gave him was Kujo, but he passed. He's like,
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know how I'm gonna make a movie. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>this is it's not like a good movie idea. A
<v Speaker 2>Saint Bernard that terrorizes a family in a car. And
<v Speaker 2>then in the next one is a car that terrorizes
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people in a town, and that one
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, yeah, that one I can do. Geez,
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you give me this one first?
<v Speaker 3>I know, Right, there's something else we need to mention.
<v Speaker 3>In Stephen King's world, a lot of stuff happens around
<v Speaker 3>this fictional town called castle Rock. Yeah, so Kujo happens
<v Speaker 3>in castle Rock. The Dead Zone happens in castle Rock.
<v Speaker 3>Our buddies over the thirty something podcast just dropped Needful Things.
<v Speaker 2>Needful Things, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Which is actually kind of the death of castle Rock.
<v Speaker 2>Right until they came out with the Castle Rock series.
<v Speaker 2>It's true. I don't know that that revived it or not,
<v Speaker 2>though I think that was a failed attempt at CPR.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so there are characters in Kujo that appear
<v Speaker 3>in the Dead Zone and vice versa.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of fun. So the house that we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about, I mean, the house, it's kind of interesting
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you know that this even if you
<v Speaker 2>have just a small amount of information about this movie,
<v Speaker 2>you know it involves a woman and her son being
<v Speaker 2>terrorized by a dog in a car, right right, that
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even start until forty five minutes into the movie, like,
<v Speaker 2>and the movie's only in an hour and a half long.
<v Speaker 2>You're halfway through before they show up, which is good
<v Speaker 2>because it was a long process anyway. But the house
<v Speaker 2>that they go to is called the Camber House because
<v Speaker 2>that's the mechanics name is Camber. She doesn't know when
<v Speaker 2>she gets there that he's already been killed by a
<v Speaker 2>kujo as well as his friend. But he's a big
<v Speaker 2>turd anyway, so you don't really mind him dying. But
<v Speaker 2>the Camber House was an actual house that they found
<v Speaker 2>and they used, but it had a history behind It
<v Speaker 2>was an old farmhouse and the son of the family
<v Speaker 2>that owned it actually hung himself in the tree that
<v Speaker 2>you see in the movie What Yes, What. And so
<v Speaker 2>one day, the crew, having no idea about this story,
<v Speaker 2>just as a joke, they had these bodies that they
<v Speaker 2>have for special effects, and so just as a joke,
<v Speaker 2>they decide to hang one of the bodies off of
<v Speaker 2>the tree, having no idea about this story. And the
<v Speaker 2>producers show up and they know the story, and they're like,
<v Speaker 2>are you guys out of your mind? Like they reamed
<v Speaker 2>them up and down and then Danny Pitturo's mother comes
<v Speaker 2>over and talks to the producer and she's like, I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 2>did you say that there was a teenager that killed
<v Speaker 2>himself with this place? And he's like yeah, and she says, well,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know, but I'm really into clairvoyance,
<v Speaker 2>and I've been tapping into a spirit that is a
<v Speaker 2>teenage boy the whole time that we've been here, Like,
<v Speaker 2>I feel like he might be haunting the house.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Danny Bina's mom is Johnny Smith.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>How about that she's got a little bit of the shine.
<v Speaker 2>She's got the shine that is cool? Right? That makes
<v Speaker 2>that I mean that makes it even more creepy. Yeah, yeah, awesome.
<v Speaker 2>Adi guess what.
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<v Speaker 3>That's very good. Jeff actually came up with that, So.
<v Speaker 2>Good job, Jeff. Yep, we're gonna have fun.
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<v Speaker 2>On I've heard your first episode covering the first two episodes,
<v Speaker 2>and I loved every second of it. Thanks Bunny. Yeah, awesome. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>so cars are obviously heavily involved in Christine. But this car,
<v Speaker 2>this Pento car that she has, this this piece of
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Dee Wallace was like, if I am
<v Speaker 2>never around another Pinto as long as I live, it
<v Speaker 2>will be too soon. Hey, it bears rementioning.
<v Speaker 3>You sent me a text when we were working on
<v Speaker 3>part one. The car that the dad drives is like
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and ten thousand dollars Jag. The car that
<v Speaker 3>the mom gets, you know, you get the haul around
<v Speaker 3>Tad and.
<v Speaker 2>Go eighty five hundred poo. Yes. So just like with Christine,
<v Speaker 2>they had to have several different vehicles they used in
<v Speaker 2>this because they're filming inside of the car and then
<v Speaker 2>obviously lots of damage happens to the car over the
<v Speaker 2>course of the terrorization that's going on. But there's a
<v Speaker 2>fantastic scene. I say fantastic. It's it's very interesting. It
<v Speaker 2>made me a little naucious watching it. But there's a
<v Speaker 2>point where you, as the audience, the camera is looking
<v Speaker 2>at Dee Wallace in the driver's seat, and then it
<v Speaker 2>spins around and you see Danny back in the in
<v Speaker 2>the back, and then it spins around again to her
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, how they have room to put a
<v Speaker 2>whole kit? Well, they drilled a hole through the ceiling
<v Speaker 2>of the car, lowered the camera down in there, and
<v Speaker 2>it's literally spinning the camera around and around. Lots of
<v Speaker 2>crazy work, really cool shot.
<v Speaker 3>Yond pont Yeah, I heard Danny Pintaro talking about how
<v Speaker 3>they're like, were you scared, you know, were you scared
<v Speaker 3>of the dog? Were you scared of this? And you're
<v Speaker 3>making an R rated movie and it's a horror movie.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, no, No, I was fascinated, like the whole time.
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I was captivated by the fact that somebody's
<v Speaker 3>job was to recreate doggie prints on the window.
<v Speaker 2>Well, somebody's job was to be the dog. Sometimes it's right,
<v Speaker 2>So they would have, you know, they have this really
<v Speaker 2>memorable scene where the dog is running towards the car
<v Speaker 2>and head butts the side of the car and like
<v Speaker 2>shakes the whole car when he hit butts the car
<v Speaker 2>right right. So the way they did that was one
<v Speaker 2>of the cars with the doors removed, and so they
<v Speaker 2>would have the trainer on one side of the car
<v Speaker 2>with the dog toy, and then the dog on the
<v Speaker 2>other side of the car, and the dog would run
<v Speaker 2>as fast as he could to go through the car
<v Speaker 2>in the open doors to get his toy. Well, so
<v Speaker 2>then they cut the scene so that just before you
<v Speaker 2>see the dog about to hit the car, then they
<v Speaker 2>cut to the guy in the dog suit or guy
<v Speaker 2>in the docks h smashing his head again, smashing his
<v Speaker 2>head against the car door.
<v Speaker 3>The guy in the dog suit, luckily we don't get
<v Speaker 3>a good glimpse of him because I saw him dressed
<v Speaker 3>up and we talked about the picture with him and
<v Speaker 3>Dee Wallace doing the high kick. He looks like he's
<v Speaker 3>out of banana splits or you know, checking cheese.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't look realistic at all. But there was no
<v Speaker 2>point watching the movie that I was like, oh, there's
<v Speaker 2>the guy in the cost They did a very ad.
<v Speaker 2>That guy's name, by the way, Gary Morgan. Just in
<v Speaker 2>case you want to know, he appeared in Pete's Dragon
<v Speaker 2>as well. Just Pet's Dragon. Okay, okay, I got a
<v Speaker 2>question for you, man, what is your favorite scene of Cuja?
<v Speaker 3>My favorite scene of Kujo, and I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>give it away, it's when the monster comes back to
<v Speaker 3>life and is smashes through the window. The first time
<v Speaker 3>I saw it, I jumped out of my chair and
<v Speaker 3>I was a little kid, and so that really blew
<v Speaker 3>me away. And I didn't quite know the cinematic rules
<v Speaker 3>of well, a good bad guy is never really dead, right.
<v Speaker 2>So you sent me a thing that Charles Bernstein, the
<v Speaker 2>composer in this movie, that he had said He's like,
<v Speaker 2>in this movie, the dog is killed by not one bat,
<v Speaker 2>but two. The bat that bites him and then her
<v Speaker 2>swinging the bat, right, yeah. And then I was like, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but except that he's not that's right. He's actually killed
<v Speaker 2>by And then I sent you a picture of a
<v Speaker 2>bat for four magnum. Three bats. Took three bats to
<v Speaker 2>take Kujo down. You know, it's funny.
<v Speaker 3>I was talking to our good friend Jeff Johnson and uh,
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about d Wallace swinging a baseball bat,
<v Speaker 3>and he said, yeah, she she went to the Wendy
<v Speaker 3>Torrance School of hitting.
<v Speaker 2>Wendy Torrance from the shining. That's right, just kind of
<v Speaker 2>go away bag swinging the bat like the ancient Egyptians
<v Speaker 2>would swing a grass fan. Yes, not exactly, Babe, Ruth. No, no, okay.
<v Speaker 2>So my favorite scene for Kujo is it's a great
<v Speaker 2>scare technique and Lewis Teg talked about it, but I
<v Speaker 2>noticed it when he first did it. He gives you
<v Speaker 2>this illusion because d Wallace is sitting there. She's got
<v Speaker 2>her leg hanging out the door. She's trying to do
<v Speaker 2>something with Danny. We haven't been fully attacked yet, but
<v Speaker 2>she's got her car door open and her leg out,
<v Speaker 2>Like I mean, there you go, prime grade a calf
<v Speaker 2>muscle right there to fight into. And you were going
<v Speaker 2>from what you believe to be the point of view
<v Speaker 2>of the dog and you go right up to her
<v Speaker 2>and then nothing happens, and then you're looking at her
<v Speaker 2>doing something with Danny, and then all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 2>the dog attacks from the opposite window. He tricks you
<v Speaker 2>thinking your point of view of the dog when you're
<v Speaker 2>actually just being prepped to be scared. Masterful. Yeah, a
<v Speaker 2>lot of.
<v Speaker 3>Things in this movie were just very skillfully done.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's talk about Christine. Okay, we talked about
<v Speaker 2>the cars already that were used to the Pento cars,
<v Speaker 2>multiple cars that they had to use on Christine. Fifteen
<v Speaker 2>percent of their budget and this was not a small
<v Speaker 2>budget movie. Sure, fifteen percent went to buying the cars.
<v Speaker 3>I saw this like they had one guy in charge
<v Speaker 3>of just going around and snagging these things wherever you
<v Speaker 3>could find them, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And they're not easy to find. We were talking about
<v Speaker 2>the late seventies, and this is a fifty eight limit Fury.
<v Speaker 2>You're just not going to see a whole lot of
<v Speaker 2>these cars anyway, especially twenty years old fifty eight Plymouth Fury.
<v Speaker 2>But by the time they were done, and they had
<v Speaker 2>dressed them all up. By the time they were done,
<v Speaker 2>there were only two that were left undestroyed.
<v Speaker 3>They were pretty liberal with the destruction of these cars,
<v Speaker 3>like lay smashed the crap out of these the entire movie.
<v Speaker 2>Which brings me again to the question, what do you
<v Speaker 2>think the best scene in this one is?
<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely the show me scene.
<v Speaker 1>Show me.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's so much is it's I told you like
<v Speaker 2>this was the only one of these three movies that
<v Speaker 2>I had actually seen before in my life, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I think I was a teenager or whatever, But that
<v Speaker 2>was the memory from watching the movie the first time,
<v Speaker 2>was that scene. I don't know that he shot the
<v Speaker 2>whole movie in anamorphic lens, but at that point it's
<v Speaker 2>so obvious that he's got it because those lights are
<v Speaker 2>just totally you got that horizontal peak on those and
<v Speaker 2>they look so cool, just the lights just coming on
<v Speaker 2>and that, I mean, John Carpenter drops that pered sound,
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. But the actual regeneration of the car,
<v Speaker 2>it building itself back up, is flawless. I mean we're
<v Speaker 2>talking about I mean, they made this movie in eighty three.
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about limited technology and so limited that John
<v Speaker 2>Carpenter wasn't even gonna do it. He wasn't going to
<v Speaker 2>do it. Special effects guy said, let me give it
<v Speaker 2>a shot, and they did this amazing thing where instead
<v Speaker 2>of trying to push the car out to create a
<v Speaker 2>special effect where they are building the car back, they
<v Speaker 2>had it already built and then destroyed it and then
<v Speaker 2>shot it and played it in reverse.
<v Speaker 3>Reverse the film. They imploded the car. Yeah, and then
<v Speaker 3>they put it in reverse and it goes back to amazing.
<v Speaker 2>It is such a good scene. I mean, it's the
<v Speaker 2>best scene in the movie.
<v Speaker 3>It's the best scene in the movie. And like you said,
<v Speaker 3>they were not going to shoot it. John Carpenter talked
<v Speaker 3>about how Arnie was going to do the show me line.
<v Speaker 3>The camera was going to drift off the car and
<v Speaker 3>then return and it be fixed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you would have felt cheated as an audience
<v Speaker 2>member if that had no doubt. Right, do you want
<v Speaker 2>to see the car fix itself? Yeah? I mean if
<v Speaker 2>I can watch Bill Bixby turn into the Hulk, I
<v Speaker 2>should be able, right to watch a car regenerate itself. Right,
<v Speaker 2>let me see the sleeves tear. Come on me.
<v Speaker 3>We saw Herbie do all kinds of things. By the way,
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking about that when I saw I saw
<v Speaker 3>Herbie goes bananas in the theater. When the bad guys
<v Speaker 3>poured like goop into the radiator and like Herbie was sick.
<v Speaker 2>I was distraughted. Oh sad, you love Herbie. You can't
<v Speaker 2>not love Herbie. That's right. So the neighborhood that they
<v Speaker 2>shot this in, does it look familiar to is it Halloween? Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>same neighborhood they shot the outdoor scenes, the suburban scenes
<v Speaker 2>they shot in the same neighborhood that they shot. Really,
<v Speaker 2>he loves Pasadena, apparently you got it. That's cool? Right? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and of course, like it's so hard to
<v Speaker 2>find the right place to shoot. If you've found it once,
<v Speaker 2>why not use it again? Right? Absolutely? I need a
<v Speaker 2>very American looking suburb neighborhood, right, I happened to know one.
<v Speaker 2>Let's go do it.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, John Ford did everything at Monument Valley. That's you know,
<v Speaker 3>I found my spot. I'm good to go. By the way,
<v Speaker 3>I got a little tidbit on Christine. I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 3>drop right in here. The New York Times called Christine
<v Speaker 3>the most foul mouthed movie of all time because they
<v Speaker 3>use the F word a whole lot. Right, Yes, Well,
<v Speaker 3>that little nugget quickly went to the waistside because Scarface
<v Speaker 3>was released the same year, right, and.
<v Speaker 2>It held the record for about three seconds.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and Scarface like double the amount of f bombs,
<v Speaker 3>So that's hilarious.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay. So Alexandra Hall is brand new in this movie. Right,
<v Speaker 2>it's her first real acting job. Yes, she has twin sister,
<v Speaker 2>I know, right this story. Yes, So in the scenes
<v Speaker 2>where they have the bulldozer and they're doing the bulldozer
<v Speaker 2>scenes one day, as a joke, she brings her sister
<v Speaker 2>to set. She has the hair and makeup guys dresser
<v Speaker 2>just like she is, and has her go do the scene, right,
<v Speaker 2>and John Carpenter is like, are you feeling okay? That's
<v Speaker 2>going on?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Like what are you all right?
<v Speaker 3>Right?
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of this weirdness. And then finally Alexander Paul
<v Speaker 2>comes out and she's like, have you replaced me already?
<v Speaker 2>And he's like what because nobody knew that she had
<v Speaker 2>a twin sister. That's fantastic. Yeah, okay, So another couple
<v Speaker 2>of car thanks. Yeah. The movie that they're watching is
<v Speaker 2>called Thank God It's Friday. The premise of the movie
<v Speaker 2>is this guy has this car that he truly loves
<v Speaker 2>and every time he takes it out, it gets damaged
<v Speaker 2>in some.
<v Speaker 3>Way really on the at the drive in.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, that's really cool. It's car movie. Obviously,
<v Speaker 2>we've got the fifty eight Plymouth Fury. They used other
<v Speaker 2>similar cars because they were so hard to find. They
<v Speaker 2>never made the Plymouth Fury in this Candy Apple Red
<v Speaker 2>that this one is in. Really yeah, so that scene
<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning where you see it being evil
<v Speaker 2>from the factory level, it does actually make sense that
<v Speaker 2>it's red and everything else is not read because it's
<v Speaker 2>different and they didn't make them like that. Right. It
<v Speaker 2>doesn't explain it, of course, but this is a you know,
<v Speaker 2>they did that scene to explain the possession of the
<v Speaker 2>car since it wasn't the same as the novel. Interesting.
<v Speaker 2>And then you've got you've got several key vehicles. You've
<v Speaker 2>got this fifty eight Plymouth Fury. That's the star of
<v Speaker 2>the show, right. You've got the cool car that John
<v Speaker 2>Stockton's driving around that is a sixty eight Dodge Charger
<v Speaker 2>for forty That thing was a sweet That was a
<v Speaker 2>sweet ride. Now you know you're a parent.
<v Speaker 3>When he peels out of the driveway going like you know,
<v Speaker 3>forty miles an hour backwards. I'm like, you're gonna kill
<v Speaker 3>some kid.
<v Speaker 2>What is wrong with you?
<v Speaker 1>Sir?
<v Speaker 2>I got a brand new sixteen year old driver who
<v Speaker 2>got a ticket a ticket last week for going eighty
<v Speaker 2>in a fifty five. I'm going to decapitate. What are
<v Speaker 2>you doing, sir? You're enough driver for this, that's right.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously you've got the very memorable bulldozer. I mean he
<v Speaker 2>is the bulldozer becomes the hero of the movie. Does Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's it's kind of funny because John Carpenter
<v Speaker 2>talked about that scene almost being like a rape scene,
<v Speaker 2>like he's he's mounting the car. Yeah, yeah, it's domination.
<v Speaker 2>He had to get trained to drive it. But I mean,
<v Speaker 2>what a cool I mean, how cool would it? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>not quite as cool as Tom Cruise learning how to
<v Speaker 2>fly planes and stuff, but it would be cool to like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>we need you to learn how to drive a bulldozer
<v Speaker 2>for the scena. Okay, yeah, it sounds awesome.
<v Speaker 3>Good And in fact, they they weren't intending to tread
<v Speaker 3>all the way over the car. They thought it might
<v Speaker 3>be a little dangerous, and one of the guys was like, well,
<v Speaker 3>why should you just let me try it and it's
<v Speaker 3>cool because it's very satisfying smash.
<v Speaker 2>I could remember when I very first moved to Norman.
<v Speaker 2>I had this little piece of crap that would just
<v Speaker 2>break down all of the time. And I broke down
<v Speaker 2>right as I got into Norman, and this cop came
<v Speaker 2>over and I was like, if I could just get
<v Speaker 2>it over the gas station, He's like, I can call
<v Speaker 2>you a tow truck. I'm like, dude, I just moved
<v Speaker 2>here and I'm in college. Six dollars I can't afford
<v Speaker 2>to say total, and so this I'm telling this to
<v Speaker 2>this cop and he kind of looks side to side
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, well, I could push you. Yeah. I
<v Speaker 2>was like, let's go for buddy, just that little joy
<v Speaker 2>of like I get to use the hard power tools
<v Speaker 2>on my car. Okay, one last car. Yeah, this one's
<v Speaker 2>going to escape most people's attentions. Harry Harry Dean Stanton. Yeah, detective, Okay, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he's driving a standard police issue vehicle. Do you know
<v Speaker 2>what it was? No, a Plymouth fury Are you serious?
<v Speaker 2>I am serious. It was in nineteen seventy eight instead
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen fifty eight, but his he was driving at
<v Speaker 2>Plymouth Fury as well. Interesting, very good. Okay. By the way,
<v Speaker 2>another tidbit for you. Since this time, Stephen King has
<v Speaker 2>written two characters in one story that were somewhat based
<v Speaker 2>on Harry Dean Stanton. Story was The Green Mile, and
<v Speaker 2>the characters were Harry Terwilliger and Dean Stanton. Of course, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's right. And then in the movie The Green Mile,
<v Speaker 2>Harry Dean Stanton is actually in it. He's old too too. Yep,
<v Speaker 2>that's correct, doing all the stuff, doing the dry there
<v Speaker 2>the dress rehearsal right, yep, yeah, yeah, that's right. Good one.
<v Speaker 2>You got some stuff on the music I do. I
<v Speaker 2>want to hear it. I do. We're talking Christine music.
<v Speaker 2>Christine music.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, so we know that the composer of
<v Speaker 3>Christine was John Carpenter. I mean, John Carpenter does all
<v Speaker 3>of his own type of stuff. He did it with
<v Speaker 3>this other guy named Alan Holworth. But I want to
<v Speaker 3>talk about the rock and roll music used in Christine.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Once I started looking into this, I was like, d
<v Speaker 3>have you looked into this? You're like no, I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>don't do it right, Because once I started looking at this,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, did Carpenter only choose people who had horrible
<v Speaker 3>deaths to do the soundtrack of this.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.
<v Speaker 3>So other than we know Bad to the Bone is used.
<v Speaker 2>At the beginning of this movie.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that was like one of the first times
<v Speaker 3>that they used Bad to the Bone. Now we know
<v Speaker 3>since then it's been used at jillion times in one
<v Speaker 3>hundred thousand different movies, and it's kind of lost its luster.
<v Speaker 2>But this was like the first time where they used it.
<v Speaker 2>This was that was the suggestion of Bill Phillips, by
<v Speaker 2>the way, the writer, the screenwriter. Okay, yeah, he not
<v Speaker 2>only suggested it because when he went in to push it,
<v Speaker 2>the producers had not heard the song before, like it's
<v Speaker 2>a new song in nineteen eighty three, yeah, and so
<v Speaker 2>they hadn't heard it. And so Bill Phillips is like,
<v Speaker 2>I literally had to go I think I heard of
<v Speaker 2>that one. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So you have George Thorogood and the Destroyers. They have
<v Speaker 3>Bad to the Bone. You've got Buddy Holly and the Crickets,
<v Speaker 3>and they have a song called not Fade Away. Of course,
<v Speaker 3>Buddy Holly was killed in the plane crash along with
<v Speaker 3>Richie Allens, the Big Bopper. You can see it if
<v Speaker 3>you watch the movie Lobamba.
<v Speaker 2>Right the day the music died. That's it. Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 3>Then you have a song called Pledging My Love by
<v Speaker 3>Johnny Ace.
<v Speaker 2>Now these guys are not huge guys, mainly because they
<v Speaker 2>died young. Okay. Now, Johnny Ace was known to play
<v Speaker 2>with guns. Okay, okay, there's an.
<v Speaker 3>Urban legend out there that he shot himself playing Russian Roulette.
<v Speaker 3>Member of his band said, no, that's not true at all.
<v Speaker 2>Here's what happened.
<v Speaker 3>He's flashing the gun around and they're like, dude, put
<v Speaker 3>that away, you're gonna shoot somebody. He's like, it's not loaded.
<v Speaker 3>Look boom oh cub boom, put it to his forehead
<v Speaker 3>and pulled the trigger. Oh okay Johnny Ace, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Not so much now.
<v Speaker 3>Then then you've got a song by Robert and Johnny
<v Speaker 3>called We Belong Together. Okay, nothing major there, Okay. Then
<v Speaker 3>you got a song by Little Richard called keep a Knocking. Right.
<v Speaker 2>That's a famous song, right and key moment because it's
<v Speaker 2>the he locks the doors and everybody's trying to get
<v Speaker 2>out or in and can't. That's right.
<v Speaker 3>So Little Richard one of the major players in rock
<v Speaker 3>and roll history, right, a huge guy architect of rock
<v Speaker 3>and roll. Yeah, when he started out was an evangelical
<v Speaker 3>Christian teetotaler. Flashed forward a few years, and he's got
<v Speaker 3>heroin and cocaine and alcohol problems and sexual deviancy like
<v Speaker 3>voyeurism and pooking and group sex and all this weird stuff. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>it was the seventies, it was a crazy time. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>But he develops this intense drug habit. Right, Hey, put
<v Speaker 3>that one on pause. Let's move on to the next
<v Speaker 3>song by a guy named Larry Williams. Yeah, he sings
<v Speaker 3>a song called Bonnie Maroney.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right.
<v Speaker 3>He and Little Richard are good buddies. Okay, they're also
<v Speaker 3>drug buddies. Like they love each other like good friends.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Well, turns out that Little Richard owed Larry Williams some
<v Speaker 3>money for drugs, and Larry Williams showed up one day
<v Speaker 3>with a gun, was going to kill Little Richard over
<v Speaker 3>drug money. Now, he didn't do anything, and it didn't
<v Speaker 3>kill him. That moment actually pushed Little Richard to get
<v Speaker 3>out of drugs, get back to religion.
<v Speaker 2>I could do it.
<v Speaker 3>Somebody waving a gun in your face is going to
<v Speaker 3>get your attention. Yeah, Okay, all right, then you've got
<v Speaker 3>another song by Danny and the Juniors. This song is
<v Speaker 3>called rock and roll is Here to Stay? Famous song?
<v Speaker 3>Right Danny of Danny and the Juniors On April second,
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three, about the time filming started for this movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he checked.
<v Speaker 3>Himself into a hotel room in Courtsville, Arizona and committed suicide.
<v Speaker 2>Whoa wow, death death death, Wow? How about that? That
<v Speaker 2>is crazy.
<v Speaker 3>I will say that the rock music used in this
<v Speaker 3>movie is it's powerful and it's almost creepy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's every single time a song is playing,
<v Speaker 2>you go, what are they saying? How does it plight
<v Speaker 2>to the scene and you go, ah, yes, that's what
<v Speaker 2>I see, Like I hear you knocking, but you can't
<v Speaker 2>come in part yes, exactly. And it's like the voice
<v Speaker 2>of Christine exactly. Yeah. She plays it as though she's
<v Speaker 2>speaking speaking to you, yes, or singing as the case maybe.
<v Speaker 2>Now speaking of music, jumping back over to the dead zone,
<v Speaker 2>the ice is gonna break. This is I think the
<v Speaker 2>first movie, if not the first movie, it's one of
<v Speaker 2>the only movies that David Cronenberg did not work with
<v Speaker 2>Howard Shore. Howard chores normally the guy that does the
<v Speaker 2>music for David Cronenberg. Yes, but at this one, it's
<v Speaker 2>the guy that we've talked about multiple times. Now, Michael
<v Speaker 2>came in another big hitter. He would compose this music
<v Speaker 2>on his piano in his apartment at home, and eventually
<v Speaker 2>one of the neighbors came and knocked on his door
<v Speaker 2>and said, yeah, could you stop playing the music because
<v Speaker 2>you're giving my entire family nightmares. It's it's creepy. It's
<v Speaker 2>like dark overtones, right, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Now Michael Caman has done Pink Floyd The Wall, and
<v Speaker 3>he worked with Pink Floyd on that. He did Life
<v Speaker 3>Force with Matilda. May have ever seen that Life Force?
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm talking about?
<v Speaker 2>I have not. He did Leave the Weapon and Die
<v Speaker 2>Hard yep. He did Last Action Hero.
<v Speaker 3>And then Quick Throw Out to a nineteen eighty one
<v Speaker 3>classic starring Oliver Reed. He did Venom, Oh, Black Mambas,
<v Speaker 3>Breakout and Are on the Loose, the personal favorite of mine.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, by the way, one quick.
<v Speaker 3>Note that I forgot to mention, Uh huh. I think
<v Speaker 3>they cut it out at the end of the movie.
<v Speaker 3>But George Thoroughgood shows up at the end of Christine
<v Speaker 3>as one of the guys who's smashing the car.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he did. He was in a scene with Bill Phillips.
<v Speaker 2>They were the Junkyard workers. Bill Phillips said the scene
<v Speaker 2>was so bad that they had to cut it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I like, I don't know how you have a three
<v Speaker 2>second scene that the acting is that bad, But he
<v Speaker 2>said it was. I should never be an actor. It
<v Speaker 2>was terrible. That's funny. Bill Phillips, the screenwriter for Christine. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>so tidbit on the Dead Zone. The Old Mom actress's
<v Speaker 2>name is Jackie Burrows. Okay, okay. She plays Vera Smith,
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Smith's mom. Yes, right, Yes, she was only four
<v Speaker 2>years older than Christopher Walking. Wow, she looks like the
<v Speaker 2>crip keeper. No, I'm like what and I looked it up.
<v Speaker 2>She was in her early forties when she made the shoes.
<v Speaker 2>She was born in nineteen thirty nine, which means she
<v Speaker 2>was what forty four when this movie came out. She
<v Speaker 2>looked like she was in her late sixties.
<v Speaker 3>You know that is insane. I will tell you something
<v Speaker 3>from the novel, just that character, Johnny Smith's mom is
<v Speaker 3>a crazy religious person.
<v Speaker 2>She's a zealot, right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>One of the things that I remember her character did
<v Speaker 3>in the novel. They didn't really get into it a
<v Speaker 3>whole lot in the movie. I remember she like moved
<v Speaker 3>to like the like the Antarctic because she thought that
<v Speaker 3>Jesus was going to return there.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 3>It was a weird scene. It's been a long time
<v Speaker 3>since I read it. But she would do a lot
<v Speaker 3>of weird things in the book.
<v Speaker 2>In the original script, the time between when he has
<v Speaker 2>the accident and when he wakes up from the coma
<v Speaker 2>instead of being instantaneous it is. In the movie, they
<v Speaker 2>did a montage like where you see Sarah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>standing by him and then eventually losing interest in leaving
<v Speaker 2>and the dad kind of consoling her and all of that.
<v Speaker 2>But through that whole montage scene, Mom is praying, like
<v Speaker 2>in different places, but Mom is always praying. She loves
<v Speaker 2>her son. Speaking about moms who love their son. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>you have the also the Frank Dodd scene.
<v Speaker 3>That's the one I thought you were getting ready to
<v Speaker 3>talk about that.
<v Speaker 2>I did sit to you because I'm just watching the movie,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've I've got it on that I've got
<v Speaker 2>on the big screen and I'm watching the scene where
<v Speaker 2>she gets shot goes by, and I'm like, oh no,
<v Speaker 2>I got to rewind that one. I had to take
<v Speaker 2>a picture. That's the worst squib explosion I have ever
<v Speaker 2>seen the movie. It looks like you remember the school
<v Speaker 2>boxes we used to have with our kids, Like it's
<v Speaker 2>that big in her sweater. Yeah, this is giant squib
<v Speaker 2>blowing up when she's supposed to get shot. And I
<v Speaker 2>did a freeze frame and took a picture for you.
<v Speaker 2>It turns out there were other squib problems in this one.
<v Speaker 2>Apparently when they did the World War two scene, the
<v Speaker 2>flashback World War two scene, Yeah, like they had a
<v Speaker 2>swib on one of the soldiers go off too soon
<v Speaker 2>and like he was severely burned on his legs and
<v Speaker 2>growing because of this squib accident and so.
<v Speaker 3>And then they cut it from the movie. You know
<v Speaker 3>that squib that you sent me. I want to talk
<v Speaker 3>about that scene for a moment, because in that movie
<v Speaker 3>when they you know, Johnny's like Dodd's the killer and
<v Speaker 3>Bannerman can't find DoD and they're like, where's DoD?
<v Speaker 2>God, where are you get up here? Not suspicious at all,
<v Speaker 2>slowly walking backwards. Yeah, he just took you just took
<v Speaker 2>off in your car I watched him walk backwards the
<v Speaker 2>whole way, saw him get in your car and look
<v Speaker 2>around like he'd killed a man. Right, what the heck? What?
<v Speaker 3>It's not a good plan. But when they show up
<v Speaker 3>to arrest him, it's like they're entering a house of
<v Speaker 3>horse right. Yeah, you got the crazy mom who's get
<v Speaker 3>out here, get out here. And Johnny, I remember when
<v Speaker 3>he touches her, He's like, you knew, you knew the
<v Speaker 3>whole time. The first time I saw that, I was
<v Speaker 3>repulsed by that, you know, and scared. And then you're
<v Speaker 3>wandering around this house looking for a serial killer. And
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you what Dodd's suicide in the movie it's
<v Speaker 3>one of the most grotesque things, just mentally that I
<v Speaker 3>think about, because he props those scissors up.
<v Speaker 2>And he's going to put it in his mouth, yep,
<v Speaker 2>in his mouth and up his nose. I kind of gun, dude, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean really, dude, make this fast.
<v Speaker 3>You got a three fifty seven or a pair of
<v Speaker 3>you know, stylus scissors.
<v Speaker 2>Right, If that was me, I'd be like measuring the scissors,
<v Speaker 2>like is this really going to go all the way?
<v Speaker 2>Or am I just going to give myself a severe nose. Please,
<v Speaker 2>it's at the top of my mouth.
<v Speaker 3>I think in the book he severs his own jugular.
<v Speaker 2>Like okay, well that's an interesting way to do it
<v Speaker 2>as well. Yeah. So the scene that leads up to
<v Speaker 2>that scene is the gazebo scene, right, yeah, So they
<v Speaker 2>filmed this movie in Niagara. The gazebo did not exist.
<v Speaker 2>They built it, and the people in Niagara were like,
<v Speaker 2>we don't want you coming to cool. Yeah we like it. No,
<v Speaker 2>they first they didn't want it. They were like, no,
<v Speaker 2>this is we don't want you to mess up our
<v Speaker 2>you know, nice little city square with this movie prop.
<v Speaker 2>But then they built it so well that they're like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>that's actually kind of nice. He's still there, people take
<v Speaker 2>wedding pictures. I know to this day. I would love
<v Speaker 2>to visit it. Yeah, it's really cool.
<v Speaker 3>And that tunnel where Johnny's feeling the cigarette wrappers and
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, it's there as well.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Two more things, okay. Number one,
<v Speaker 2>whenever he was about to have a moment or whenever
<v Speaker 2>he was dealing with, you know, visions that he was having,
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Walking would like jump in twitch a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>So cool. David Cronenberg had a three P fifty seven
<v Speaker 2>magnum that he would randomly fire, and that is what
<v Speaker 2>caused Christopher Walking to jump like that legit wardrobe Chris
<v Speaker 2>Peters pants. Again.
<v Speaker 3>I love the fact that the impulses or visions that
<v Speaker 3>he gets is like violent attacks, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like killing him, like it's killing him. Oh yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And in the in the novel, these visions actually are
<v Speaker 3>killing him so much so that he gets a brain
<v Speaker 3>tumor and he can bear stand up to hold the
<v Speaker 3>gun when he's like trying to assassinate Greg Stilson.
<v Speaker 2>So did we talk about the different meanings of the
<v Speaker 2>Dead Zone from the book to the movie to the
<v Speaker 2>TV series that came out with Anthony Michael Holland I
<v Speaker 2>don't think we differentiated. Yeah, okay, So in the book,
<v Speaker 2>the Dead Zone is it's like this part of his
<v Speaker 2>brain that has gone dead from the accident he had
<v Speaker 2>when he was a kid. His brain has had to
<v Speaker 2>rewire around it, and it's this rewiring that has given
<v Speaker 2>him the clairvoyance. Right in the movie, the way it's
<v Speaker 2>described is when he's talking to the doctor and it's
<v Speaker 2>like this idea that he can change the future that
<v Speaker 2>he sees, like he talks about the hockey incident, right,
<v Speaker 2>he says, you know, there's the possibility to change the future,
<v Speaker 2>which is of course very important for the climax of
<v Speaker 2>the movie. And so he's like, it's that area of
<v Speaker 2>possibility of change, and that's what the dead zone is
<v Speaker 2>in the series. There are things that he can't see,
<v Speaker 2>and that's the dead zone in the series. Is that
<v Speaker 2>the invisible part that he can can't quite get to?
<v Speaker 2>Did you watch the series?
<v Speaker 3>I watched the first couple of seasons of the series.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really good for a while.
<v Speaker 3>I know that they like they ended season six on
<v Speaker 3>a major cliffhanger, and then season seven never happened. So
<v Speaker 3>it's one of those where kind of a bum deal.
<v Speaker 2>So, oh, it's time to reboot it. Anthony Michael is
<v Speaker 2>still around, no man, I know he was just in
<v Speaker 2>another fifteen year coma. There you go, right, Johnny you're back.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>By the way, Johnny Smith terrible name for character.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, I think Stephen can get that on purpose
<v Speaker 3>because he wanted it to feel like anybody, like every man.
<v Speaker 2>You know, we talked about the dolls in Kujo. You
<v Speaker 2>know that he's got a stuffed Saint Bernard. Yes, in
<v Speaker 2>the Dead Zone, You've got this part where he's in
<v Speaker 2>the little girl's room having a vision of herbe trapped
<v Speaker 2>in the fire, right, huh so number one, he's all sweaty, right,
<v Speaker 2>except it's not sweat. That was the flame retardant that
<v Speaker 2>they put on him, but it looked like sweat. It
<v Speaker 2>was really effective because I mean, if you were surrounded
<v Speaker 2>by fire, would be sweating, no doubt. And not only
<v Speaker 2>would it be hot, but you'd be scared. That's true.
<v Speaker 2>But but they had to film it again because in
<v Speaker 2>the in the scene there is a stuffed et doll
<v Speaker 2>and this is not a Universal movie and Et is
<v Speaker 2>And when Universal caught win, they're like, we will sue
<v Speaker 2>your pants off. Okay, let's go back and shoot the
<v Speaker 2>buildings on fire scene.
<v Speaker 3>Hey Chris, remember that we had to cover you with
<v Speaker 3>flame retardants and you had it laying in bed and
<v Speaker 3>set it on fire. We got to do that again.
<v Speaker 3>By the way, just a little tidbit on Christine Keith
<v Speaker 3>Gordon talked about the drive in scene except for three
<v Speaker 3>days he had to make out with Alexandra Paul. Oh yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, I didn't want to, but somebody had
<v Speaker 3>to do it, and I had to step up for
<v Speaker 3>the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually heard, and this is a this is
<v Speaker 2>a baller move right here. He knew that they had
<v Speaker 2>to kiss on camera, and so he says, I don't
<v Speaker 2>really want our first kiss to be awkward on camera.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think we should kiss beforehand? Let's practice? And
<v Speaker 2>she went for you. She's nineteen, Okay, brilliant. I'm an
<v Speaker 2>actor of it.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just telling you, it's a lot better if you
<v Speaker 3>practice first.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>One of the big things I want to talk about
<v Speaker 3>before we move on to final judgment, Yeah, is there
<v Speaker 3>is a major difference between the Kujo book and the
<v Speaker 3>Kujo movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert, big, big, big spoiler alert
<v Speaker 2>for well both of them. Early Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And in fact, Stephen King said, if there's one
<v Speaker 3>book in this world that I would rewrite.
<v Speaker 2>It's Kujo, at least the ending.
<v Speaker 3>So in the end, Tad, the little boy, dies of
<v Speaker 3>dehydration in the novel.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>In the novel, at the end of the novel, when
<v Speaker 3>Vics finally shows up, Tad's dead.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Then there's this whole epilogue.
<v Speaker 3>Where Donna has to go to the hospital, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>the Cambers are putting their life back together after their
<v Speaker 3>her husband was killed and Tad's dead and Donna has
<v Speaker 3>rabies and it is very somber ending, a very sad
<v Speaker 3>and like heart wrenching. Yeah, so I think, and Stephen
<v Speaker 3>King even thinks that stroke of genius let Tad live
<v Speaker 3>at the end.
<v Speaker 2>Of the movie, for sure, for sure. Absolutely what was
<v Speaker 2>not a stroke of genius was that. Then thirty seconds
<v Speaker 2>later they ended a freeze frame. Yeah, you didn't like
<v Speaker 2>that at all? What is that?
<v Speaker 1>What? Like?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she comes out, they've seen each of the
<v Speaker 2>husband has finally arrived, Vic is back, right, finally arrived.
<v Speaker 2>She's there with the boy in her arms. She's just
<v Speaker 2>killed the dog and she hands him the body of
<v Speaker 2>their still barely living boy and freeze what freeze roll credits?
<v Speaker 2>See And I watched I watched the making of on
<v Speaker 2>this and I heard Lewis Tige talk about what they're
<v Speaker 2>going to do the end and he's like, when we
<v Speaker 2>just decided to do a freeze frame and gave no
<v Speaker 2>further explanation because there's not one. Why You've got this
<v Speaker 2>entirely emotional release And oh my gosh, and that comes
<v Speaker 2>back when the dog busts through the window and then
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, the family is reunited.
<v Speaker 3>Cut, I know, right, Freeze nothing else that's crazy. A
<v Speaker 3>hug and a kiss would be okay, A punch in
<v Speaker 3>his face, Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>That would have been great. That would have been a
<v Speaker 2>great ending, you son of a Freeze frame on her
<v Speaker 2>socking him in the jaw like maryon socks Indiana Jones,
<v Speaker 2>And that would have been perfect. That's right, perfect ending.
<v Speaker 2>Rewrite it.
<v Speaker 3>That's hilarious, all right, d So is it time to
<v Speaker 3>move to final judgment between these three?
<v Speaker 2>Uh? It is? Are we going to talk about your
<v Speaker 2>favorite films first?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do that on the on the pit stop
<v Speaker 3>on the way to final judgment. Yeah, let's discuss our
<v Speaker 3>three favorite Stephen King film adaptations.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, mine is number one. Is easy because it's my
<v Speaker 2>favorite movie of all time. It's The Shoshank Redemption. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>based on Rita Hayworth and The Shoshank Redemption from different seasons.
<v Speaker 3>Yes.
<v Speaker 2>My the second one is also from different seasons. It's
<v Speaker 2>stand by Me, which is based on the Body. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>this short story of the Body right right, Both of
<v Speaker 2>them fantastic I've read them both, loved the written work,
<v Speaker 2>love the movies. Number three is much longer, both book
<v Speaker 2>and movie. Okay, before I get there, I'm gonna do
<v Speaker 2>a quick honorable mention. Okay, Sure. The first Stephen King
<v Speaker 2>book I read was it. As you can tell from
<v Speaker 2>my picks and from our talk and our Halloween episodes,
<v Speaker 2>I am not a scary movie guy. When the new
<v Speaker 2>movie came out just recently, like twenty seventeen, I think
<v Speaker 2>is when it came out, so, you know, five years ago.
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I gonna see it. I don't
<v Speaker 2>watch scary movies. I've read the book. The book's fantastic.
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to see the movie. But my daughter,
<v Speaker 2>who was at that point, I guess fifteen or so herself,
<v Speaker 2>she was like, do you want to go see this
<v Speaker 2>movie because she had she started watching scary movies at
<v Speaker 2>that point. Sure. I was like, She's like, I'd love
<v Speaker 2>it if you came and watched it with me. And
<v Speaker 2>I look at it and it's got I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>been out for a while and it's got over an
<v Speaker 2>eight on IMDb. It was like an eight point one
<v Speaker 2>or eight point two. It is like, sure, oh dang,
<v Speaker 2>this is actually a good movie. This isn't just a
<v Speaker 2>scary movie. This is a good And you look at
<v Speaker 2>people who like scary movies and they would call this
<v Speaker 2>a baby scary movie, Like, this is not a scary movie.
<v Speaker 2>But I was scared crapless the whole time, like my
<v Speaker 2>mouth was open. But it's so wonderfully done it. They
<v Speaker 2>found that style like stand By Me, where they're taking
<v Speaker 2>you back and you feel like you've gone back to
<v Speaker 2>the fifties, but really you've gone back to the eighties,
<v Speaker 2>and they do it perfectly in that movie. So that's
<v Speaker 2>my honorable mention. Okay, sure. And then my number three,
<v Speaker 2>number three is eleven twenty two to sixty three. Loved
<v Speaker 2>the book from beginning to end, loved it, and James
<v Speaker 2>Franco did a fantastic job with the series. Yeah I
<v Speaker 2>loved it. Yep, very good. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So, because I suspected that our three were gonna be
<v Speaker 3>so similar, yeah, I'm gonna give you a different three.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So because my number one is Shawshank, my number two
<v Speaker 3>is stand by Me, My number mine personal number three
<v Speaker 3>is The Green Mile, Okay, the Tom Hanks movie Mile.
<v Speaker 3>Just I just love the sort of hope and emotional
<v Speaker 3>pull of that movie. It's funny that of my top
<v Speaker 3>three Stephen King movies, none are scary, like none or
<v Speaker 3>horror movies, right, you know. But from there, the next
<v Speaker 3>is the Stand of the miniseries, the TV mini series Okay, wow, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and it's cheesy and it's not acted well, but it
<v Speaker 3>was such a must see television event for me in
<v Speaker 3>ninety four. I watched it like my college buddies. We
<v Speaker 3>we set the VCR and we were in front of
<v Speaker 3>the TV and.
<v Speaker 2>That was a big deal to us. And then the
<v Speaker 2>Dead Zone.
<v Speaker 3>It's one of my favorite Stephen King film adaptations.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great one. Yeah, it really is.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna throw in I've got a couple of
<v Speaker 3>h just tipped your judgment, by the way.
<v Speaker 2>I know I did. I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 3>I've got my top three Stephen King books. Okay, okay,
<v Speaker 3>So I've read twenty or thirty Stephen King books.
<v Speaker 2>I think you've read what two or three?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, three maybe okay, mostly short stories, two full books
<v Speaker 2>it and eleven twenty two sixty three.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So my top three Stephen King books are
<v Speaker 3>number three, Misery. I'm one of these people who hates
<v Speaker 3>the movie, like, I do not like the movie really really,
<v Speaker 3>because I'm so well, I was so mesmerized by the book,
<v Speaker 3>uh huh, and she was so horrific in the book.
<v Speaker 2>William Goldman is the one who wrote the screenplay for
<v Speaker 2>the movie. And spoiler alert if you haven't read the
<v Speaker 2>book or if you haven't seen the movie, but if
<v Speaker 2>you have seen the movie, you know the hobbling scene.
<v Speaker 2>It's very memorable. Sure in the book, she cuts off
<v Speaker 2>his feet with a blowtorch. Am I right?
<v Speaker 3>She uses an axe to remove his foot, then she
<v Speaker 3>cauterizes his leg to stop the bleeding.
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, with a blowtorch. William Goldman when they came
<v Speaker 2>to him and said, hey, we want to change this
<v Speaker 2>where we don't want her to chop off the legs
<v Speaker 2>and we don't want to do the blow porch, He's like,
<v Speaker 2>are you crazy? This is the most memorable part of
<v Speaker 2>the book. It is a brilliant scene. Are you crazy?
<v Speaker 2>He said? After he saw the movie, he realized he
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. It'd have been too much. It had been
<v Speaker 2>too much for a movie.
<v Speaker 3>Everybody else loves the movie because of that scene, and
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's not harsh.
<v Speaker 1>Enough.
<v Speaker 3>The book was she also takes his thumb off like
<v Speaker 3>she she turkey knives' his thumb off. So number three
<v Speaker 3>book Misery, Number two, The Stand. I absolutely love The
<v Speaker 3>Stands epics thousand pages and it's good versus evil and
<v Speaker 3>it's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>In this process, I've listened to several Stephen King interviews,
<v Speaker 2>usually on the David Lettermanzio. Yeah, but he's in one
<v Speaker 2>of the interviews. He was talking about The Stand and
<v Speaker 2>how he had he had built this story like he
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know where it's going to go by the way
<v Speaker 2>you talk. We talked about the difference in the end
<v Speaker 2>on Kujo. People were mad at him because the little
<v Speaker 2>boy died, right, and his response was, I'm not God.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want him to die either. It's just the
<v Speaker 2>way that the story happened, you know, and so and
<v Speaker 2>so it's it makes sense that he would change, you know,
<v Speaker 2>if he could choose, he would go back and change it.
<v Speaker 2>But he doesn't. He doesn't have the end in mind
<v Speaker 2>when he starts writing a book.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's fascinating how he writes.
<v Speaker 2>And so with the Stand, he had gotten himself in
<v Speaker 2>the position where he had developed all of these characters
<v Speaker 2>and he's halfway. I mean he's hundreds of pages into
<v Speaker 2>the book, and he's like, how am I going to
<v Speaker 2>resolve all of these stories? And he's just on a
<v Speaker 2>walk on a fall day. I just went for a walk.
<v Speaker 2>And at some point he was like, could drop a
<v Speaker 2>bomb on him? Yep, I could drop a bomb on him. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'll drop a bomb on him. And that was his solution.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to just suddenly kill half of the characters.
<v Speaker 2>It's such a climax. I love it.
<v Speaker 3>And then finally, my number one book, my number one
<v Speaker 3>Stephen King book of all time is eleven twenty two
<v Speaker 3>sixty three. Yeah, it's great, absolutely awesome.
<v Speaker 2>It's great.
<v Speaker 3>What would you do if you could prevent the assassination
<v Speaker 3>of John F.
<v Speaker 2>Kennedy or alter the future? I mean anything, or at
<v Speaker 2>this point, get Hamburger for only a dollar ninety five?
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>Such besides high or low, it's up to you, all right.
<v Speaker 3>Just a quick little thing, because I've read a lot
<v Speaker 3>of his short stories.
<v Speaker 2>Yep. My three favorite short stories.
<v Speaker 3>Number three Dolan's Cadillac, about a guy who seeks revenge
<v Speaker 3>against a mobster and he buries him alive.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's a really cool story. Yeah. Then you have
<v Speaker 2>The Jaunt.
<v Speaker 3>It's about like it's like the fly where you molecularly
<v Speaker 3>transport to like instantaneously. It's like instead of flying airplane
<v Speaker 3>across the country, you just reappear through these little teleportation pods.
<v Speaker 3>But if you're awake, it's eternal. If you're so, they
<v Speaker 3>put you to sleep in order to transmit, and it
<v Speaker 3>happens instantaneously, but if you are awake, that transmission takes.
<v Speaker 2>Millions of years. Huh.
<v Speaker 3>It is a mind bending story.
<v Speaker 2>Sound called the Jaunt, the Jount. What were the books
<v Speaker 2>that these two were in.
<v Speaker 3>Uh. Dolan's Cadillac was in Nightmares and Dreamscapes. The John
<v Speaker 3>is in Skeleton Crew okay. And then my number one
<v Speaker 3>is called Survivor Type and it's about this guy who's
<v Speaker 3>transporting like morphine and he's a surgeon and he's been
<v Speaker 3>blacklisted as a doctor and he crash lands on this
<v Speaker 3>island and so it's him by himself. He's got no food,
<v Speaker 3>but he's got a ship full of morphine and he
<v Speaker 3>breaks his ankle, so he has to surgically remove his ankle. Well,
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have any foods. Guess what he eats his ankle, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and then he goes from there. Okay, so now survivor type.
<v Speaker 3>You've teased him up nicely. I want to read all
<v Speaker 3>three of them. That's great.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. Okay, are we to final judgment?
<v Speaker 2>To final judgment? Well, you've tipped your hand already. I
<v Speaker 2>know what you're picking as your number one? Sure, right,
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm going to go ahead and let you
<v Speaker 2>tell me what number two. I mean, give me your
<v Speaker 2>final judgment and then I'll reveal mine to you. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So I've got a big nostalgic pull to Kjo, but
<v Speaker 3>I think it's the third best movie out of these three.
<v Speaker 2>It didn't age quite as well. I wasn't. I didn't
<v Speaker 2>get the.
<v Speaker 3>Same thrill from it when I first watched it. Skillfully
<v Speaker 3>made storytelling is good. The Little Kid drove me insane.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm writing that number three. Number two is Christine obviously,
<v Speaker 3>and then number one.
<v Speaker 2>I think.
<v Speaker 3>I think The Dead Zone is a sort of psychic
<v Speaker 3>supernatural masterpiece.
<v Speaker 2>I love it. Yeah, it's one of David cronenberg best movies.
<v Speaker 2>My turn. Yeah, okay, well I won't I won't to
<v Speaker 2>draw this out Okay. I had seen one of these
<v Speaker 2>movies before we decided to do this series, and that
<v Speaker 2>was Christine. I had wanted to see The Dead Zone.
<v Speaker 2>I had not wanted to see Kujo because I had
<v Speaker 2>the same thought. I'm like, how can a Saint Bernard
<v Speaker 2>be scary? Right? And even as I watched it, I
<v Speaker 2>was texting you like, how did they not change the dog?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at the very least, how did how do
<v Speaker 2>they not? I mean, a dog terrorizing a woman and
<v Speaker 2>her child doesn't seem like the basis for an entire
<v Speaker 2>movie for me anyway, But that dog being a big, lovable,
<v Speaker 2>fuzzy dog didn't make any sense, and so I saved
<v Speaker 2>it for last. It was hard for me to make
<v Speaker 2>myself watched it, but I'm glad that I did. For
<v Speaker 2>what it was story wise, they actually did a very
<v Speaker 2>good job with it. Sure, I was scared, I'm not scared,
<v Speaker 2>but I was surprised at moments. You know, they had
<v Speaker 2>good scare moments, good jump schemes. Acting I thought was phenomenal. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>the little kid's annoying because he's acting like any little
<v Speaker 2>kid in this situation. Would's true. He did a fantastic
<v Speaker 2>job in his performance, and I thought every other actor
<v Speaker 2>did a great job. I thought that the again for
<v Speaker 2>what it was filmed, well, it was directed well, even
<v Speaker 2>the dialogue was pretty good. It wasn't great, but it
<v Speaker 2>was pretty good, and so I was pleased. But it's
<v Speaker 2>still number three for me. Okay. I was excited to
<v Speaker 2>watch Christine again. I enjoyed it the first time I
<v Speaker 2>saw it. I enjoyed it even more this time. And
<v Speaker 2>then I was happy to watch the Dead Zone, which
<v Speaker 2>I hadn't seen, and it, just like you, isn't the
<v Speaker 2>number one pick for me? So same, same exact layout.
<v Speaker 2>Kujo's the third best, but better than I thought it
<v Speaker 2>was going to be. Christine is still great and Dead
<v Speaker 2>Zone wowed me more than the other two by far. Wow. Fantastic, Yeah, fantastic.
<v Speaker 3>So we totally aligned on these, all three of these
<v Speaker 3>movies turning forty years old, and we nailed.
<v Speaker 2>It just in time for the Great Pumpkins. Well great, Well,
<v Speaker 2>we want to hear.
<v Speaker 3>From you, what do you rank these three movies and
<v Speaker 3>where do you rank the top three Stephen King adaptations.
<v Speaker 2>We'd love to hear that from me as well. Absolutely, guys,
<v Speaker 2>we appreciate you so much coming in and listening to
<v Speaker 2>us again and again, week after week. We can't tell
<v Speaker 2>you how much we appreciate your support. Thank you so
<v Speaker 2>much for listening. We promise to keep on doing this
<v Speaker 2>as long as you guys keep on listening.
<v Speaker 3>All right, everybody, come back next week. Dee and I
<v Speaker 3>are going to tackle one of the biggest movies of
<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy.
<v Speaker 2>Eight, forty five years old this year, that's right, and
<v Speaker 2>it's still the word. What's the word? Greece? Is the word?
<v Speaker 2>Grease is the word? Is the word? It's the word.
<v Speaker 3>So we're actually going to compare movie to soundtrack.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a little different, taking, you know, a little
<v Speaker 2>bit different on this one. It'll be fun though.
<v Speaker 3>We couldn't get anything to match up perfectly, so we thought,
<v Speaker 3>well is turn it against itself exactly?
<v Speaker 2>I like it. Thanks guys, Thanks guys, See you next
<v Speaker 2>week