No Doubt "Tragic Kingdom" (1995): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Ssh, don't speak. It's amandagantic, It's nineteen ninety five. MTVM
<v Speaker 1>plugged is musty TV, and your roommate is an artist.
<v Speaker 1>When it comes to frosted tips, your jeens look like
<v Speaker 1>they lost a fight with a lawnmower. Toy story is
<v Speaker 1>resurfacing some serious abandonment issues. You have fifteen shades of
<v Speaker 1>brown lipstick and your flannel game is on point. Friendly reminder,
<v Speaker 1>You've got mail. Nirvana still has a choke hold over
<v Speaker 1>you until wait, whoa hold on a second?
<v Speaker 2>What is this?
<v Speaker 1>Is this the audio equivalent of rollerblading through a mosh
<v Speaker 1>pit in platform sneakers while chugging Surge and crying about
<v Speaker 1>your ex?
<v Speaker 2>Is this absolute chaos and.
<v Speaker 1>A push up bra Today's Fever Dream No Doubts Tragic Kingdom,
<v Speaker 1>the album that simultaneously raised us, broke us, and taught
<v Speaker 1>us that you can absolutely cry while scanking and skanking
<v Speaker 1>For you, youngins is a dance style. Get your minds
<v Speaker 1>out of the gutter. Listening to this thing is like
<v Speaker 1>being emotionally body slammed by a marching band. You're vibing,
<v Speaker 1>you're dancing, then suddenly one Stefani appears out of the fog,
<v Speaker 1>screaming your diary entries back at you.
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, I'm sorry about that. Brian here again.
<v Speaker 1>Now, surely you can't be serious that this album has
<v Speaker 1>both upbeat scott Chaos and catastrophic heartbreak on the same playlist.
<v Speaker 2>Oh but they are serious.
<v Speaker 1>And don't call them Surely call them therapists, because they're
<v Speaker 1>about to unpack some serious trauma. Buckle up, grabbing orbits
<v Speaker 1>post around the way, girl, but pre hollibat girl.
<v Speaker 2>We are skater girls.
<v Speaker 1>We are walking into spiderwebs, waiting for you to leave
<v Speaker 1>a message so we can call you back.
<v Speaker 2>O are not.
<v Speaker 1>This is tragic kingdom and it came here to fight.
<v Speaker 1>We're in plaid skirts and butterfly barrettes.
<v Speaker 3>Let's roll, all right, d as we wind up our
<v Speaker 3>nineties ladies.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got a question for you, our nineties girl,
<v Speaker 4>three way.
<v Speaker 3>Our menage autoire of nineties ladies. Were you a napster
<v Speaker 3>guy or a LimeWire guy?
<v Speaker 4>I didn't. I don't think I ever used either one
<v Speaker 4>of those. Really, Yeah, you.
<v Speaker 3>Missed one of the golden ages.
<v Speaker 4>I know like and I know that a lot of people.
<v Speaker 4>I think probably I was like a secondhand guy like somebody.
<v Speaker 4>I just found somebody who had downloaded a million things,
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, okay, cool, I'll just take cares
<v Speaker 4>because are as. Yeah no, that's literally what happened, Like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>will you burn me a bunch of disks? And so
<v Speaker 4>I think that was it. I didn't. It wasn't savvy
<v Speaker 4>enough to do the napster thing.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh. So for those of you who are
<v Speaker 3>too young to remember this or too old to realize
<v Speaker 3>it was going on, basically we went through a couple
<v Speaker 3>of eras in the eighties. We had BMI and Columbia House,
<v Speaker 3>which was ten CDs for a penny, which that was
<v Speaker 3>like Man from Heaven. I mean it was like straight.
<v Speaker 4>Gold, right, pretty confident that this album was one of
<v Speaker 4>those pictures.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, Well then you had the napster slash LimeWire
<v Speaker 3>where you could share.
<v Speaker 4>Not legally, but yes, I mean, you know, what's a
<v Speaker 4>little home piracy.
<v Speaker 3>We talked about home BUYERUSY and our Patreon episode.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, guys, sign up for our Patreon page.
<v Speaker 4>We do one hit Wonders and I got to tell you, you know,
<v Speaker 4>this is an awesome album. I listened to it over
<v Speaker 4>and over again, and as I'm walking into recorded day,
<v Speaker 4>all I can sing in my head is ain't nothing
<v Speaker 4>going to bring the mass ride and nothing on z
<v Speaker 4>mean down And you'll find out why in a little bit. Okay,
<v Speaker 4>But we do one hit Wonders on our Patreon episodes
<v Speaker 4>and they are for our paying Patreon members and for
<v Speaker 4>as little five bucks a month. You can check those
<v Speaker 4>episodes out go to patreon dot com slash Shirly podcast
<v Speaker 4>and we've got dozens of them at this point. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So for me, No Doubt's album Tragic Kingdom that we're
<v Speaker 3>covering today, yeah, was square in the middle of the
<v Speaker 3>Napstra era for me.
<v Speaker 4>I was an early adopter on No Doubt. I remember
<v Speaker 4>very specifically because we had a band back then, and
<v Speaker 4>we had a girl who was singing with us, and
<v Speaker 4>we're trying to find girl songs and she brought in
<v Speaker 4>these songs and I was like, Oh, these are great,
<v Speaker 4>and I said, I'm going to get this album. And
<v Speaker 4>I got the album and I can remember vividly driving
<v Speaker 4>listening to this CD, probably on an aftermarket JVC radio
<v Speaker 4>that I had like installed in my little Nissan or
<v Speaker 4>whatever it. But anyway, like I'm listening to the whole album,
<v Speaker 4>which is what you did back in those days. You
<v Speaker 4>just listened to every song and the only two that
<v Speaker 4>I remember being released were Spider Webs and Just a Girl.
<v Speaker 4>And then I get to Don't Speak, and I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>what the heck is this? And I just listened to
<v Speaker 4>it over and over again. I can remember the first,
<v Speaker 4>you know, next time I saw my best friend, I
<v Speaker 4>was like, you've got to hear that, and he was
<v Speaker 4>his mind was blown too. And then sure enough, like
<v Speaker 4>just within a month or two after that, like it
<v Speaker 4>was everywhere, It was everywhere. It was an MTV video,
<v Speaker 4>which was the equivalent of being a single back then.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's right, and we'll talk about that. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you have a girl singer in your band STD. Yes
<v Speaker 3>right now, Yes, this would be a great song for
<v Speaker 3>you to sing. Yes, it would thirty years later, it would.
<v Speaker 4>Kill absolutely it would just go learn it today. We
<v Speaker 4>have practice after we're done here, so let's see if
<v Speaker 4>this comes up. Okay, very good, very good.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So just a quick overview. Tragic Kingdom is
<v Speaker 3>No Doubt's third album. Their first two really did not
<v Speaker 3>make a splash at all.
<v Speaker 4>Right, and there's an interesting story behind all of those
<v Speaker 4>and we'll we'll obviously tell it. We've got fourteen songs
<v Speaker 4>to go through. So yeah. What's interesting to note is
<v Speaker 4>when they finished with Tragic Kingdom, like they've finished recording it,
<v Speaker 4>they've all got real jobs. They're all pretty much living
<v Speaker 4>with their parents, almost all of them right in the
<v Speaker 4>same house that they grew up with. And they're in there,
<v Speaker 4>I mean, twenty six, still living at home and working
<v Speaker 4>regular like Broadway, you know, gift shop or whatever it was.
<v Speaker 4>And Tony Kanaal, the bass player, was working I think
<v Speaker 4>at cal State, is like an administrative assistant.
<v Speaker 3>You know really, and he was He went to his.
<v Speaker 4>Boss and he's like, hey, we're gonna go out on
<v Speaker 4>tour just if you can please keep my job up
<v Speaker 4>before we want to get back.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thirty seven years later and he hasn't been back.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So that is that is how little they knew
<v Speaker 4>what this album was going to do.
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy, Let's jump in, Let's jump in, okay before
<v Speaker 3>we do sixteen million copies.
<v Speaker 4>Sold, It's crazy.
<v Speaker 3>First song on the album, second single, The song's called Spiderwhibs.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Jason, what do you know about SKA?
<v Speaker 3>Not very much? Not very much.
<v Speaker 4>So this is probably I would say ninety nine percent
<v Speaker 4>of the population's first experience with ska punk. Okay, I
<v Speaker 4>mean at least the third wave of the ska movement.
<v Speaker 4>That's it. Now. The reason that ska and punk got
<v Speaker 4>together is because because the ska bands would play at
<v Speaker 4>the same place that the punk bands were playing, and
<v Speaker 4>eventually they would have an overlap of musicians. But what
<v Speaker 4>you basically have is you kind of have this punk
<v Speaker 4>style with like a horn section right right, And but
<v Speaker 4>we're you and I are familiar with that because that's
<v Speaker 4>the clash, right Yeah, go back and check out our
<v Speaker 4>Stranger Things episode. We talked all about the clash, but
<v Speaker 4>that kind of punky vibe with the horns is what
<v Speaker 4>kind of defined it. But then there's also this the
<v Speaker 4>ska part of it. Sky is basically the grandfather of reggae.
<v Speaker 4>So when we did our what was it, Top Songs
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe Top five songs in nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 4>So you mentioned the tide is high, is like rock steady,
<v Speaker 4>That's that's the rhythm, right's the genre?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so rock steady and they, I mean the no doubts,
<v Speaker 4>I think they're not this next one after this, but
<v Speaker 4>the one after that they're whatever would be. Fifth album
<v Speaker 4>was called rock Steady, but it all began with ska,
<v Speaker 4>which is a kind of Caribbean rhythm. Ska transitions into
<v Speaker 4>rock steady, and rock steady transitions into reggae. Rock stead
<v Speaker 4>He's kind of a slowed down version of the dancy
<v Speaker 4>kind of ska. But if you just kind of think, okay,
<v Speaker 4>take out some of the strums of reggae and then
<v Speaker 4>speed it up a little bit, that's what gives you
<v Speaker 4>that kind of ska sound. And so back in the
<v Speaker 4>early eighties there were several bands that were doing it,
<v Speaker 4>but they weren't huge except for two The Clash, which
<v Speaker 4>I mentioned, and this band called Madness. You remember Maddens.
<v Speaker 3>I hope you were going to bring them up, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because when you asked me initially what my experience with
<v Speaker 3>ska is One song by Madness that was a big
<v Speaker 3>hit in nineteen.
<v Speaker 4>Eighty three, maybe, yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>That song is called Our House.
<v Speaker 4>So Our House, like you said, came out in eighty three.
<v Speaker 4>It was off the album also called Madness. Before that,
<v Speaker 4>in seventy nine, they had an album called One Step
<v Speaker 4>Beyond Okay, and then eighty they had a song called
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely that had the song baggy Trousers on it. Which
<v Speaker 4>of these two things it was. But back in the
<v Speaker 4>early eighties, a guy named Eric Stefani bought a Madness
<v Speaker 4>Album's right and showed it to his little sister, who
<v Speaker 4>would he would sit and play music with and like
<v Speaker 4>basically drag her away from watching The Brady Bunch so
<v Speaker 4>that she would come and sing while he played the piano.
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, listen to this, and he played her
<v Speaker 4>this Madness album and that's what inspired the style, and
<v Speaker 4>this first song you get a great flavor of the
<v Speaker 4>ska punk style.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. You know, you talk about Eric Stefani, who is
<v Speaker 3>Gwinn's older brother. She really looked up to him. She
<v Speaker 3>thought he was cool, he had cool musical tastes. She's like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I sing, but really I was just kind
<v Speaker 3>of a shy girl, backup singer. I didn't even play
<v Speaker 3>an instrument, Like he was a musician and I was
<v Speaker 3>just tag along. Well, come to find out, she's actually
<v Speaker 3>the star, but he was the leader.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a big process because
<v Speaker 4>this band, I mean, even though most of the country
<v Speaker 4>didn't know who they were until Tragic Kingdom came out.
<v Speaker 4>Had been together for eight years. I think they formed
<v Speaker 4>in eighty six. That's incredible, so nearly nine years at
<v Speaker 4>the point that this that this starts to hit.
<v Speaker 3>I sent you a video of their very first TV
<v Speaker 3>appearance on a Southern California variety show called The Gig,
<v Speaker 3>and when I watched it, the song reminded me of
<v Speaker 3>Oingo Boingco. Okay, but they have a girl who looks
<v Speaker 3>like Patsy Kinsett from Lethal Weapon two who is lead
<v Speaker 3>singing wow, And I'm like, you get that girl with
<v Speaker 3>that music, You're onto something.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so tell me about Spiderwebs. Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So this was the second single released September ninth, nineteen
<v Speaker 3>ninety six. As we talked about, not a lot of
<v Speaker 3>physical singles released because they're driving CD sales.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is the same is true for Jaggie Little
<v Speaker 4>Pill album. Right. That's right, tons of what appeared to
<v Speaker 4>be singles because there were music videos for them, but
<v Speaker 4>really you had to go get the album to hear
<v Speaker 4>the song.
<v Speaker 3>At this point in time, MTV is Casey's top forty.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's more powerful.
<v Speaker 3>Than any radio station. It is the radio station for
<v Speaker 3>the world MTV. Yes, so not released as a commercial single,
<v Speaker 3>so it's ineligible for the Hot one hundred. But it
<v Speaker 3>does reach number eighteen on the Billboard Airplay Charts, which
<v Speaker 3>tracked how many times it was played on the radio. Now,
<v Speaker 3>this was written by Gwenn and Tony. I know, we'll
<v Speaker 3>get into this later.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Gwinn did not even realize she was a songwriter until
<v Speaker 3>her brother quit the band and she got dumped.
<v Speaker 4>Both of these things happening right before Tragic That's right
<v Speaker 4>was released.
<v Speaker 3>That's right now the song spiderwebs. I don't know. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I know you remember the time, but you remember a
<v Speaker 3>time you actually had answering machines sitting on the counter, like.
<v Speaker 4>Can you kitchen a message?
<v Speaker 3>Hey, this is D. Leave a message and I'll call
<v Speaker 3>you back whenever I get a chance. Yes, And then
<v Speaker 3>somebody would be like, hey, D, it's Jason, and you'd
<v Speaker 3>be like, oh hey Jason, Hey hey. It was the
<v Speaker 3>screen calls.
<v Speaker 4>Right at this time, at this time, my message this
<v Speaker 4>was in nineteen it would have been nineteen ninety sixteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety seven. My message was hello, what what what? I'm sorry?
<v Speaker 4>Can can you? Can you speak up. I can't I
<v Speaker 4>can't hear you. Oh, actually I can't hear you because
<v Speaker 4>I'm not here. Leave a message yes, And I got
<v Speaker 4>berated by my dad. He was like, I can't believe that.
<v Speaker 4>He was so mad, so mad at that. But that's
<v Speaker 4>what you did back then.
<v Speaker 3>My nephew's cell phone. It's currently that very thing. It's
<v Speaker 3>an only but a goodie. So but here's the here's
<v Speaker 3>the story of this song. Yeah, who is stunning had
<v Speaker 3>many suitors shock her well. At one week moment, a
<v Speaker 3>guy came up to her. She wasn't interested, but she
<v Speaker 3>gave him her number anyway, and this guy proceeded to
<v Speaker 3>pursue her.
<v Speaker 4>Strongly, relentlessly.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, and so he would call it he she said.
<v Speaker 3>He thought because she played in a band, she would
<v Speaker 3>be up at like two, three, four in the morning,
<v Speaker 3>and so he would leave her messages like, hey, I
<v Speaker 3>wrote a song I want to play for you. She said, God,
<v Speaker 3>why did I give this guy my number?
<v Speaker 4>Right?
<v Speaker 3>And he would recite poetry. And the funny thing is
<v Speaker 3>so Tony Canal who is her ex She they wrote
<v Speaker 3>the song together. They have never released the identity of
<v Speaker 3>this guy.
<v Speaker 4>That's probably appropriate, right, he's.
<v Speaker 3>Got to know who he is though. You know, if
<v Speaker 3>I were like I used to chase Gwen Steffani around,
<v Speaker 3>you know, in fact, I used to read poetry over
<v Speaker 3>the Hey wait a minute, but actually I dug up
<v Speaker 3>who this song is about.
<v Speaker 4>Ready for this?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dave Coolier, No, I'm just kidding. That's not true.
<v Speaker 4>That's good.
<v Speaker 3>Oh how cool would that be of that word true?
<v Speaker 3>That would be so awesome. But you're right. This song
<v Speaker 3>was their attempt at making the tide is high?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, have you watched the music video for this briefly?
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I did not rewatch it in full.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so this is a music video. Once again, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not going to spike the football fifteen times about Gwen
<v Speaker 3>Stefani being beautiful, but she is a rock star and
<v Speaker 3>she had this little gem on her forehead, and she
<v Speaker 3>had the platinum blonde hair, and she has kind of
<v Speaker 3>this punky style that really like Overnight caught on with
<v Speaker 3>the girls in the night.
<v Speaker 4>It was very it was very skater girl kind of
<v Speaker 4>look for sure. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So in this video they're they're performing at a wedding
<v Speaker 3>and then next thing you know, there's like wedding cake
<v Speaker 3>all over the place and it doesn't make any sense. However,
<v Speaker 3>it is directed by a guy named Marcus Nispol. He
<v Speaker 3>went on to direct remakes of Friday the Thirteenth, Texas
<v Speaker 3>Chainshaw Massacre, and Conan the Barbarian.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, second song on the album.
<v Speaker 3>This song is called excuse me.
<v Speaker 4>Mister Okay the freaking like I hear this and I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>who is making music like this? This is not like
<v Speaker 4>anything anybody is hearing at this time. I understand why
<v Speaker 4>they thought, well, okay, you know, maybe this album will
<v Speaker 4>do something, or we'll just go back to college and
<v Speaker 4>have regular lives. It's so different than everything that was
<v Speaker 4>going on at this point. And then in the middle
<v Speaker 4>of what's already cool and different, you have this a
<v Speaker 4>minute and thirty seconds in, you have this fantastic breakdown
<v Speaker 4>that sounds like you said, like a vaudeville circus.
<v Speaker 3>Act kind it is no doubt, no doubt. First joke,
<v Speaker 3>that's one time Okay.
<v Speaker 4>So okay. By the way, that's a great lead into
<v Speaker 4>the name of the band. The reason that the band
<v Speaker 4>was called No Doubt is because their original lead singer,
<v Speaker 4>guy named John Spence, would say no doubt like my
<v Speaker 4>friend Jason does here all the time, all the time.
<v Speaker 4>It is a catchphrase of yours, and it was of his,
<v Speaker 4>and that's how they came up with the name of
<v Speaker 4>the band.
<v Speaker 3>You know, John Spence was the lead singer until he
<v Speaker 3>took his own life, like right before they had this
<v Speaker 3>big important gig in nineteen eighty seven.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, John Spence and Eric Stefani met at Dairy Queen
<v Speaker 4>and decided to put a band together, and Gwynn is
<v Speaker 4>tagging along singing with them, singing, you know, she'll take some,
<v Speaker 4>He'll take some. And they're they're developing a following there
<v Speaker 4>in Anaheim, which is I mean, it's not the rock
<v Speaker 4>capital of the world, right, La looks down on these
<v Speaker 4>Orange County folks, but there's definitely a scene in places
<v Speaker 4>to play. But they had built up over the year
<v Speaker 4>enough of a fan base that they were going to
<v Speaker 4>play at the Roxy. Yeah, I believe it was December
<v Speaker 4>twenty first, nineteen eighty seven. They said he was like
<v Speaker 4>always just this positive guy, like he was the positive,
<v Speaker 4>let's go member of the band, and then takes his
<v Speaker 4>own life tragically. They did actually decide to disband for
<v Speaker 4>a minute, but they had a trumpet player back then
<v Speaker 4>his name was Alan Mead, and he was like, you guys,
<v Speaker 4>you know, if you guys want, I'll sing, I can sing.
<v Speaker 4>And they played the roxy Alan Mead sang. He left
<v Speaker 4>a little while after that and when became the solo.
<v Speaker 3>Keep in mind, nineteen eighty seven is a long time
<v Speaker 3>before nineteen ninety six when they break. Yeah, it's a
<v Speaker 3>long time of hauland drum kits and living in your
<v Speaker 3>parents' bedroom, you know.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the tours that they would go on, well, I'll
<v Speaker 4>tell you more about those later, but yeah, they were
<v Speaker 4>in a rented van and sleeping on the hard floor
<v Speaker 4>of the van and not in a hotel like they
<v Speaker 4>would stop at gas stations and taco bells yep, because
<v Speaker 4>you could get three burritos for a dollar back then, right, beat,
<v Speaker 4>remember that three for a dollar?
<v Speaker 3>What a great time. Now, I do have a story
<v Speaker 3>about this particular song. Yeah, it's the fourth single was
<v Speaker 3>released August twenty first, nineteen ninety six. The band fought
<v Speaker 3>with the label about which version would be on the album. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>so Matthew Wilder, who was the producer of this album,
<v Speaker 3>who has a major one hit wonder of the nineteen eighties.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we drop it now. I mentioned this earlier. This
<v Speaker 4>is the song that was stuck in my head as
<v Speaker 4>I came in today. So they tapped Matthew Wilder to
<v Speaker 4>be the producer of this album. And Matthew Wilder at
<v Speaker 4>the time would have been ten years earlier, like he
<v Speaker 4>came in around ninety three ninety four, yep, and he
<v Speaker 4>had had what we would describe as a one hit wonder.
<v Speaker 3>Major one hit wonder. That song is called.
<v Speaker 4>Break my Stride, Stop, Bring Stop, Yeah, keep them moving.
<v Speaker 4>So you listen to that song and it's definitely got
<v Speaker 4>that kind of Caribbean dance to it. I feel like
<v Speaker 4>he's the perfect match for this style of music that
<v Speaker 4>these guys are doing.
<v Speaker 3>That didn't even occur to me until you just said that,
<v Speaker 3>yeah great.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>That song reached number five okay in late nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 3>three and early eighty four okay, And he goes on
<v Speaker 3>to produce. Now, they were wrestling with him on this song.
<v Speaker 3>He wanted them to do a like a country version
<v Speaker 3>of this song, and they're like, no, we want it
<v Speaker 3>to be more SKA.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>They actually kind of said, look, we're not going to
<v Speaker 3>record spider webs if you don't let us at least
<v Speaker 3>do our version of this song. Oh wow, Okay, so
<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit of a power struggle.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I think they gave him one attempt at it and
<v Speaker 3>they ultimately won, and that's why you get this version.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, this version's fantastic. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>This reached number seventeen on Billboard's Alternative.
<v Speaker 4>Airplay chart, again not released as a hard single.
<v Speaker 3>In the music video, lots of energy, lots of high kicks,
<v Speaker 3>Gwinn takes scissors to her tank top to expose her midriff,
<v Speaker 3>which that became a fad.
<v Speaker 4>All right, next song, next song on the album, first single,
<v Speaker 4>This is just a girl.
<v Speaker 5>Ribbon off my eyes. I'm exposed, no.
<v Speaker 6>Plum brass, don't done knowing.
<v Speaker 4>So this is one of the songs that we covered,
<v Speaker 4>and I loved playing this song. And I was trying
<v Speaker 4>to think of the way to describe what Gwinn's voice
<v Speaker 4>sounds like in the song and a lot of the
<v Speaker 4>songs on these albums, and I saw somebody describe it
<v Speaker 4>as a Qubi doll, and I was like, that's close.
<v Speaker 4>But now that I'm thinking about it, it's almost like a
<v Speaker 4>Betty boop, like a doep. But you juxtapose that with
<v Speaker 4>the lyrics being about I mean, it's it's obviously it's
<v Speaker 4>it's sarcastic, but you can't you know, I'm a girl.
<v Speaker 4>You can't drive late at night. You need to hold
<v Speaker 4>my hand. Obviously sarcasm, which you know you talked about
<v Speaker 4>all of the mom rock albums of the nineties. This
<v Speaker 4>isn't mom rock at all. But this is still that
<v Speaker 4>the girl power that was prevalent in the mid nineties,
<v Speaker 4>with this and Alanas and Jewel and I mean even
<v Speaker 4>Shania Twain, no doubt if we have a drinking game
<v Speaker 4>and you drink every time, Jason says no doubt in
<v Speaker 4>a way that we're not referring to the band.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna quit fighting and I'm just gonna embrace it.
<v Speaker 3>I do have the story of this song. Okay, So
<v Speaker 3>a couple of things that generated this song.
<v Speaker 1>For her.
<v Speaker 3>Number One, she's the only girl that would perform with
<v Speaker 3>all these punk bands, so literally it's she's the only
<v Speaker 3>girl in her band, of course, but when they're competing
<v Speaker 3>against other bands, there's no girls. All her friends are guys.
<v Speaker 3>And then there's also she would kind of pull that
<v Speaker 3>card like I can't carry the drum kit. I'm just
<v Speaker 3>a girl. I'm just a girl, a girl.
<v Speaker 4>Boo boombe doo.
<v Speaker 3>But but the one thing that really set her off
<v Speaker 3>was her dad lit her up one time for coming
<v Speaker 3>home way too late for you know, look, there's crazy
<v Speaker 3>drivers out there. It's two o'clock in the morning, you're
<v Speaker 3>driving around, and she's like, you're just a girl. I'm
<v Speaker 3>twenty five years I do think it's interesting k Rock
<v Speaker 3>started playing this song. Yeah, that's the same radio station
<v Speaker 3>in LA that jump started a Lance Moore set.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, yes, among others a million Yeah, I caim.
<v Speaker 4>We didn't mention it earlier that if you're tuning in
<v Speaker 4>for the first time, we're comparing this to a Loance
<v Speaker 4>Moore set Jagged Little Pill and Jewel Pieces of You.
<v Speaker 4>That's a that's our Menaja Twise Jason referred to it earlier.
<v Speaker 4>And there's a common thread that goes through all of
<v Speaker 4>these that I'll mention sometime later on. But anywhere we
<v Speaker 4>keep going.
<v Speaker 3>Now, Okay, I want to talk about the music video
<v Speaker 3>real quick.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>The opening shot is at Gwinn's grandparents'.
<v Speaker 4>House, which is where they lived and made music as
<v Speaker 4>a band. Yeah, that's where they set up their practice
<v Speaker 4>space put a recording studio. Their second album that we
<v Speaker 4>talked about was called The Beacon Street Collection because that
<v Speaker 4>house was on Beacon Street, which literally is in the
<v Speaker 4>shadow of the Matterhorn, Like, I mean, they could hear
<v Speaker 4>the Matterhorn ride at Disneyland from that house. And so
<v Speaker 4>that brings us to the title of the album because
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know. I mean, I don't know how many
<v Speaker 4>times I read Anaheim and it's Disneyland and I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>I wonder what tragic Oh, magic Kingdom, Tragic Kingdom. I
<v Speaker 4>get it now.
<v Speaker 3>So this music video was directed by Mark Corer, who
<v Speaker 3>directed music videos for Green Day, including Longview and basket Case.
<v Speaker 4>Also filmed in the house. I think one of the
<v Speaker 4>basket Case I think was filmed in the house that
<v Speaker 4>they recorded in. Ironically, yeah, we've covered that album. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>go back last year and we covered it compared to
<v Speaker 4>Bush sixteen Stone, which is another a big factor in
<v Speaker 4>this story as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, we'll talk about him or them here in just
<v Speaker 3>a second. He also directed the video for HND in
<v Speaker 3>my pocket said oh nice, Okay, now there's some really
<v Speaker 3>cool stuff going on image wise in this music video.
<v Speaker 3>There's two bathrooms. You have the guy bathroom and the
<v Speaker 3>girl bathroom, and the guy bathroom is kind of junkie
<v Speaker 3>and gross and all that which we know to be true,
<v Speaker 3>and then the girl's bathroom where everybody wants to party
<v Speaker 3>in the girls bathroom. Now, if you watch the video
<v Speaker 3>very closely, there is a woman who is very pregnant
<v Speaker 3>who is dancing in the girl's bathroom. Okay, that's Gwinn's
<v Speaker 3>sister Joel, who was very pregnant at the time.
<v Speaker 4>There you go.
<v Speaker 3>This song was featured in Clueless and Rome and Michelle's
<v Speaker 3>high school reunion. But really, I mean this song is
<v Speaker 3>a girl power song of the nineties.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. I can remember doing this song and Stupid Girl
<v Speaker 4>by Garbage, which was another one. I mean, they could
<v Speaker 4>have easily been in this conversation, but Garbage was definitely.
<v Speaker 4>We were covering a couple of their songs and Stupid
<v Speaker 4>Girl was one of them. Sleeping Girl's a good one.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do want to just bring up in my
<v Speaker 3>own opinion, you have Ska, you have Gwenn bringing pop
<v Speaker 3>elements to her songwriting, and then you've got Tom Dumont,
<v Speaker 3>who is a metal guitarist.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he I mean, keep in mind, he joins the
<v Speaker 4>band in I think it was late eighty seven if
<v Speaker 4>I remember correctly, maybe it might have been eighty eight.
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, when he comes in, he's leaving a heavy
<v Speaker 4>metal band that was called Rising because he was sick
<v Speaker 4>of all of the heavy metal bands being only interested
<v Speaker 4>in drinking and wearing spandex, which it was the hair
<v Speaker 4>metal time, right, eighty eight eighty nine, that was when
<v Speaker 4>that stuff was going on, and he was like, I
<v Speaker 4>just want to play music. And that's another interesting thing
<v Speaker 4>about this band. I mean, these guys are all focused
<v Speaker 4>on the music. They're not big drug users, they're not
<v Speaker 4>big alcoholics, they're all kind of clean. And Tony Kanaal,
<v Speaker 4>the bass player, he's from India, like he his parents
<v Speaker 4>are Indian and they moved around to better their opportunities,
<v Speaker 4>lived in the UK for a while, finally got citizenship
<v Speaker 4>in the US. His first tape that he had was
<v Speaker 4>Minute Work, and he's listening to the tape with his
<v Speaker 4>dad and they're like going to he's going to go
<v Speaker 4>join the high school band, and he doesn't know what
<v Speaker 4>instrument he's going to play, and they're listening to this tape.
<v Speaker 4>And he's like, oh, that's a cool sound. What does
<v Speaker 4>that sound? And his dad's like, that's the saxophone. That's
<v Speaker 4>my favorite instrument. And he's like, cool, I'll play the saxophone.
<v Speaker 4>So Tony Kanal joins the high school band playing saxophone
<v Speaker 4>until he's in the tenth grade, and then the jazz
<v Speaker 4>band bass player leaves. He graduates, goes away, and the
<v Speaker 4>band director's like, okay, Chris is out next year. Who
<v Speaker 4>wants to be our new bass player? And he had
<v Speaker 4>thought Chris was like the coolest guy in the world.
<v Speaker 4>So he's like, ooh, I'll do that, and so he literally,
<v Speaker 4>like tenth grade is when he starts to play bass
<v Speaker 4>for the first time, learns it over the summer. By
<v Speaker 4>a year later, he's joined the band. Like they've seen
<v Speaker 4>him play. He has never been in a band before.
<v Speaker 4>They've seen him play in the school jazz band, and
<v Speaker 4>they're like, Hey, we're going to get rid of our
<v Speaker 4>bass player or he's going to leave or something like that.
<v Speaker 4>Come watch us play, and so he got He goes
<v Speaker 4>and watches them play at Fender Ballroom and he's like,
<v Speaker 4>this is the coolest thing I've ever he'd never been
<v Speaker 4>I mean he'd been to big arena shows. First show,
<v Speaker 4>by the way, this will be important later, was Prince
<v Speaker 4>obsessed with Prince Yeah, anyway, he had been to those
<v Speaker 4>big arena shows, but hadn't been to one of these
<v Speaker 4>like local club shows. Because he's, you know, just a
<v Speaker 4>regular band nerd kid, right. Yeah, he sees what's going on.
<v Speaker 4>He's like, I've got to be a part of this,
<v Speaker 4>and after he watches him, he's like, I'm in if
<v Speaker 4>you'll have me, and that's how he joins the band.
<v Speaker 3>This song put them on the map.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, let's absolutely right. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>It charted at number twenty three on the Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 3>Peaked out May fourth of ninety six. That's my twenty
<v Speaker 3>third birthday, by the way, it's good there you go.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't mention that Gwen Stefani October third is
<v Speaker 4>her birthday, is mine? Now, she was born in sixty nine,
<v Speaker 4>so she's she's six years older than I am.
<v Speaker 3>She's class of eighty seven.
<v Speaker 4>She looks like she's probably ten years younger than I
<v Speaker 4>am at this point, but.
<v Speaker 3>She could have been walking the same high school hallways
<v Speaker 3>as me.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, all right, next song on the album, this song
<v Speaker 4>is called happy Now.
<v Speaker 5>You had best, but she gave me from.
<v Speaker 4>So the story of how Tony joined the band is
<v Speaker 4>a nice segue for this song because when he joins
<v Speaker 4>the band, when is immediately smitten. After a while of
<v Speaker 4>a few shows, she's just finally like, so you're gonna
<v Speaker 4>kiss me? Or what?
<v Speaker 3>I love it? I love it?
<v Speaker 4>And they formed this relationship, like I said, eighty eight
<v Speaker 4>eighty nine, seven years. They're together for seven years, and
<v Speaker 4>then just before they start working on Tragic actually kind
<v Speaker 4>of while they're working on Tragic Secdom, they break up
<v Speaker 4>and this is the first song that she writes about
<v Speaker 4>that breakup. And she calls him no right and says,
<v Speaker 4>I wrote a song about you breaking up with me.
<v Speaker 4>Would you like to hear it? And he was like okay,
<v Speaker 4>and you listen to the lyrics of this song. You
<v Speaker 4>had the best, but you gave her up because dependency
<v Speaker 4>might interrupt idealistic will so hard to please. Put your
<v Speaker 4>indecisive mind at ease. You broke the set. Now there's
<v Speaker 4>only singles, there's no looking back, and this time I
<v Speaker 4>mean it. Are you happy now? Oh? Tell me? Are
<v Speaker 4>you happy now? This is her? You ought to know.
<v Speaker 3>It's right she's given it to him.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, he's like, okay, and to stay in
<v Speaker 4>a band together.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's got a play next to her. He's like,
<v Speaker 3>this is about me being a jerk. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>a scathing breakup song.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, and he just sa he want its base.
<v Speaker 4>I think he probably wanted to date other girls.
<v Speaker 3>I think he wanted to live the life of a
<v Speaker 3>touring rock star. This was the sixth single really September
<v Speaker 3>twenty third, ninety seven. Yeah, we're getting into our third year.
<v Speaker 4>I was very familiar with this song by the time
<v Speaker 4>it came out on the on the MTVS.
<v Speaker 3>Here's what Gwynn said about this song. It's the perfect
<v Speaker 3>revenge song of somebody who got hurt in love. It
<v Speaker 3>really was meant to be painful. Hey, dude, listen to this. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 3>next song is called Different People.
<v Speaker 4>So this is not one that came out as a single.
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there was a video for it. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>could be wrong, but there was. But this to me
<v Speaker 4>is like definitive ska punk. Like this. If you're saying
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go watch this cool ska band play, I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>that's the song that they need to play. It's got
<v Speaker 4>that ska, the damn about that rhythm, and it's got
<v Speaker 4>the horns in it, and it's just, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 4>it's such a great song. I'm really actually kind of
<v Speaker 4>surprised because I would say this is the hidden gem
<v Speaker 4>on the album since it didn't get released, because this
<v Speaker 4>is a fantastic song.
<v Speaker 3>You know, this summer we did Jimmy Buffett and we
<v Speaker 3>had an episode where we had little drinks with little
<v Speaker 3>bamboo umbrellas and stuff like that. This song kind of
<v Speaker 3>makes it me feel like that, you know. Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 3>it's a Caribbean feel exactly. Do you know who cites
<v Speaker 3>this song as one of their favorites? Barack Obama loves
<v Speaker 3>this song.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>I saw Gwyenn talk about I mean, it's weird. That's
<v Speaker 3>out of left field, right, you know. She said one
<v Speaker 3>day she's literally living in her parents' house in her
<v Speaker 3>old childhood bedroom, and the next day the President of
<v Speaker 3>the United States calling one of her songs his favorite.
<v Speaker 3>It's a crazy Climb and Rise to Fame.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, so I'm going to kind of jump into
<v Speaker 4>the future instead of talking about the past at this point.
<v Speaker 4>But I mentioned that Tony Kanall first concert that he
<v Speaker 4>saw was Prince. Right later on, they play in Minneapolis
<v Speaker 4>and Prince. They get the news Prince wants to come
<v Speaker 4>watch a show, and they're I mean, they're all Prince
<v Speaker 4>fans because who wasn't who grew up in ladies, right,
<v Speaker 4>And it's not just a matter of oh yeah, I
<v Speaker 4>like his music. It's like he's an icon, like the
<v Speaker 4>Purple One. Yeah. So they're like, oh my gosh, and
<v Speaker 4>they see him, like come in. And then he later
<v Speaker 4>invites them to Paisley Palace, right, and and they're like
<v Speaker 4>they're like sitting down in his living room waiting for
<v Speaker 4>him to arrive, and he like comes and is at
<v Speaker 4>the top of the stairs and they said, is he floating?
<v Speaker 4>It looks like he's floating down the stairs right now.
<v Speaker 4>They're all just dumbstruck, mystified. He said. They tried to
<v Speaker 4>jam and it was just a massive failure because they
<v Speaker 4>were too in awe of him. But later he hits
<v Speaker 4>up Gwenn to do a song with him. I think
<v Speaker 4>that's what you're going to talk about, and offers to
<v Speaker 4>help them with the song. But they get to come
<v Speaker 4>and see him a few times and then they end
<v Speaker 4>up he ends up going to a show in the
<v Speaker 4>same arena and he's going at Tony's. This point is
<v Speaker 4>very wealthy because this because of this album, right of course.
<v Speaker 4>And he calls his wife and says, I have my
<v Speaker 4>old original prints ticket framed, tell me what the seat
<v Speaker 4>and box number is that I was in, and she called,
<v Speaker 4>and she calls him and tells him, and he gets
<v Speaker 4>the same seat again, like whatever, fifteen years later.
<v Speaker 3>That's fantastic. Yeah, So you mentioned the song that he
<v Speaker 3>called Gwen to come work on with him. Yeah, that
<v Speaker 3>song is called so Far, So Pleased, and it wasn't
<v Speaker 3>what I was familiar with. When I listened to it,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is like a great melodic pop song
<v Speaker 3>of the eighties. I just bypassed me.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So that is off the album Rave Unto the
<v Speaker 4>Joy fantastic and of course it's unto Is You In?
<v Speaker 4>And the number two because of the Prince right h
<v Speaker 4>came out in ninety nine and I'm listening to their voice.
<v Speaker 4>Blend is spot on. It's a really great blend.
<v Speaker 3>It's better than Prince and Appollonia probably.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I wonder if Quinn Stephani had to bathe her
<v Speaker 4>had to cleanse herselves in the waters of late that's right.
<v Speaker 3>So here's the cool story I got from her time
<v Speaker 3>with Prince.
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 3>So she goes with them, they work on this song,
<v Speaker 3>they pump it out. It's a good song. I like it.
<v Speaker 3>So she comes back and she's like inspired. Right, She's like,
<v Speaker 3>I've just spent a whole bunch of time with Prince.
<v Speaker 3>I want to do a song. She's like, I want
<v Speaker 3>to make Raspberry Beret. So she came back and she
<v Speaker 3>had been listening, of course, to she listened to every
<v Speaker 3>note that Prince had ever put out, but she was
<v Speaker 3>also listened to this rap artist named Tricky. I don't
<v Speaker 3>know who that is.
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I recognize that name. Ye Okay.
<v Speaker 3>So they had been working on this kind of slow,
<v Speaker 3>sappy love song type of thing, and she takes that inspiration.
<v Speaker 3>She kicks everybody out except for Tom I believe, Okay.
<v Speaker 3>She says she was just sitting there and the lyrics
<v Speaker 3>were in front of her. She's like, she started looking
<v Speaker 3>at the lyrics. She's like, I think we can speed
<v Speaker 3>this up and do it kind of snappy rather than
<v Speaker 3>a slow love song. And that song became ex girlfriend.
<v Speaker 4>That's The first song off the album that comes out
<v Speaker 4>after Tragic Kingdom called Return of Saturn. Yeah, it's much
<v Speaker 4>more poppy. They've kind of pulled away from that ska
<v Speaker 4>feel and they're they're doing a much harder pop rap
<v Speaker 4>kind of thing, which was probably the right choice in
<v Speaker 4>the year two thousand.
<v Speaker 3>There you go, big hit for them.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Next song on the.
<v Speaker 4>Album Okay, This song is called hey You. I feel
<v Speaker 4>like they should have called this song Ken and Barbie
<v Speaker 4>Doll okay or just like my Ken and Barbie Doll.
<v Speaker 4>Make it a nice long title. The hey You you
<v Speaker 4>lose the impact of the song. It's a throwaway to
<v Speaker 4>kind of title.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a good title, but it's a good song.
<v Speaker 3>It is a good song. I would say it's one
<v Speaker 3>of the undiscovered gems.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's me. Yeah, it's got the sitar in there,
<v Speaker 4>you know, throw back to the Beatles and Robbie Shankar stuff,
<v Speaker 4>and it's it's catchy, it's got a good melody to it.
<v Speaker 4>It's got an interesting topic. It's basically, hey you in
<v Speaker 4>the wedding dress. You're totally deluding yourself. This isn't You're
<v Speaker 4>not going to rope your dreams by doing this. You
<v Speaker 4>just look like my Ken and Barbie Doll. Right.
<v Speaker 3>This was the seventh single.
<v Speaker 4>Oh really seven. I didn't even realize this came out
<v Speaker 4>as a single. Wow. Oh yeah, so it wasn't even
<v Speaker 4>released until February of ninety eight. I had probably moved
<v Speaker 4>on to other music by this time.
<v Speaker 3>Five ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight. This is the
<v Speaker 3>fourth year of this album.
<v Speaker 4>Wow. Yeah, so I you know I've mentioned that Tony
<v Speaker 4>Canal said, Hey, well my job for me, Okay, I'm
<v Speaker 4>gonna need my minimum wage job whenever I get back,
<v Speaker 4>which I mean back then it was like three twenty five. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I like that, right, But obviously they blow up. But
<v Speaker 4>when just a Girl comes out and they really catch fire,
<v Speaker 4>the tour gets bigger and bigger, and they tour for
<v Speaker 4>twenty seven months. Like they are touring for two years
<v Speaker 4>after this album is released, over two.
<v Speaker 3>Years I heard her talking about this.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 3>They opened with three eleven, which had their moment in
<v Speaker 3>the nineties.
<v Speaker 4>Sure, yeah, I like three three eleven right.
<v Speaker 3>Then they started touring with a band called Bush that was.
<v Speaker 4>An important thing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Now we covered Bush sixteen stone. They had a whopper
<v Speaker 3>of an album. Yeah, in the mid nineties. Yeah, go
<v Speaker 3>back and listen to that episode.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, actually, sincerely go back and listen to that episode
<v Speaker 4>because I talk about Innerscope Records on that when I
<v Speaker 4>kind of give the history. Tony Field is the guy
<v Speaker 4>who does this. It's a great little story. So please
<v Speaker 4>go check out Bush sixteen stone. Okay, So they get
<v Speaker 4>signed with Interscope. They're just I mean, they're playing opening
<v Speaker 4>shows and they've got some following, they're headlining some shows,
<v Speaker 4>but they're not huge yet, right, and SKA is not
<v Speaker 4>what anybody's interested in in nineteen ninety. I mean, nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety is like it's a desert of music.
<v Speaker 3>If you remember, he is Wilson, Phillips and Slaughter and.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really not good. Yeah, but he Tony Ferguson
<v Speaker 4>of Interscopes goes and sees a show in nineteen ninety
<v Speaker 4>and sees this band that's having all kinds of fun
<v Speaker 4>horns on the stage, stage diving, the crowd is going
<v Speaker 4>and you got the mosh pit and they're going crazy.
<v Speaker 4>It's and he's like, okay, we'll sign this band. That's
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety, right. They don't put it on an album
<v Speaker 4>until nineteen ninety two, which is also titled No Doubt.
<v Speaker 4>That album skyrockets up to thirty thousand in sales. That's
<v Speaker 4>not even Golden Canada, right, And so what happened? Like
<v Speaker 4>you said, they rent the vans, they go out on
<v Speaker 4>this tour, they don't sleep in hotels. Innerscope isn't promoting
<v Speaker 4>them at all, and they're going to these different towns
<v Speaker 4>and they go in the record store and their album
<v Speaker 4>isn't there, and they're not helping them with them pay
<v Speaker 4>for the tour, and it's just this absolute struggle. As
<v Speaker 4>a matter of fact, when they go to Oxford, Mississippi,
<v Speaker 4>the only people that show up to the show are
<v Speaker 4>guys that Adrian met early in the day. It's like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>we're playing it, I you should come to see this.
<v Speaker 4>There were more people on the stage than in the audience,
<v Speaker 4>and so they would like jump off the stage to
<v Speaker 4>balance it out.
<v Speaker 3>So that's crazy, man.
<v Speaker 4>So they're playing with bands back in Anaheim and they're
<v Speaker 4>they're playing with bands like the Intuchables and Fishbone, and
<v Speaker 4>they do one show, one show at cal State Long
<v Speaker 4>Beach with a band called the Red Hot Chili Peppers,
<v Speaker 4>which ties us back to both Pieces of You because
<v Speaker 4>Flea played on you were Meant for Me, You Were
<v Speaker 4>Meant for Me, and ties back to Jagged Little Pill
<v Speaker 4>because both Flee and Dave Navarro played on you utter
<v Speaker 4>know that's right. Okay, So they're signed with Innerscope. They
<v Speaker 4>released this no Doubt album. It does steadily. I mean
<v Speaker 4>it's after driving hundreds and thousands of miles to try
<v Speaker 4>to promote this show by themselves. It doesn't do very
<v Speaker 4>well at all.
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, and keep in mind, this is the time
<v Speaker 3>that Pearl Jam and Nirvana and Soundgarden are blowing.
<v Speaker 4>Up, yes ninety two like they just like those guys
<v Speaker 4>hit the scene late ninety one, This is ninety two
<v Speaker 4>that they're trying to promote this. March of ninety two
<v Speaker 4>is when it came out. Right, nobody wants a pop
<v Speaker 4>scot band. They want their grungy, repressed, anger, hard raw sound.
<v Speaker 3>That's why I give them credit for not donning flannel
<v Speaker 3>and kind of doing the thing.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, yeah, they stayed their course. They did. They did,
<v Speaker 4>that is absolutely true. But they're not having much success.
<v Speaker 4>Stefani Gwen's brother, who is a founding member of the band.
<v Speaker 4>He leaves to go be an animatory animator for the
<v Speaker 4>Simpsons and Rugrats. I mean he had been doing it
<v Speaker 4>before though. That was like his kind of day job
<v Speaker 4>when they were very first forming the band in the
<v Speaker 4>first place. Right. And so after this comes out, for
<v Speaker 4>the next two years, in eleven different studios, they're trying
<v Speaker 4>to produce this album and they're getting no help from Interscope,
<v Speaker 4>and Interscope had signed them to a multi album deal.
<v Speaker 4>It's just they're just like and they would keep telling
<v Speaker 4>them that's not a good song for this album. You
<v Speaker 4>throw it away, throw it away. And so all of
<v Speaker 4>these songs that Innerscope is telling them to throw away,
<v Speaker 4>they said, you know what, We've got enough money. We're
<v Speaker 4>going to buy a sixteen track recorder. They set it
<v Speaker 4>up in the Stefani's grandparents' house and they record their
<v Speaker 4>own independent album with their label at The album is
<v Speaker 4>called the Beacon Street Collection. The studio the label is
<v Speaker 4>called the Beacon Street Label. And they release this independent album. Right,
<v Speaker 4>the first thousand sellout within a couple of months, and
<v Speaker 4>by the end of the year. Now this is early
<v Speaker 4>ninety five that they released the Beacon Collection. Now, Tragic
<v Speaker 4>Kingdom comes out in October. I wish I knew what
<v Speaker 4>the numbers were between March and October. But when they
<v Speaker 4>have success. They ended up selling one hundred thousand albums
<v Speaker 4>by the end of the year, but I think a
<v Speaker 4>lot of that was kind of boosted by Tragic Kingdom, right,
<v Speaker 4>But they're selling enough of this independent album that they've
<v Speaker 4>made themselves, the inn Interscope is like, okay, well we'll
<v Speaker 4>help out a little bit more. They're given a little
<v Speaker 4>bit more leeway. And then this is where the Magic
<v Speaker 4>and the Bush story comes in.
<v Speaker 3>Magic and the Bush.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the guys who had done Bush's album had done
<v Speaker 4>sixteen Stone. We talked about them back then. It's Rob
<v Speaker 4>Khane and Paul Palmer. They meet them in one of
<v Speaker 4>their eleven studio recordings, and those guys have an associated
<v Speaker 4>label with Interscope. It's called Trauma Records. And they see
<v Speaker 4>something that Interscope just doesn't see, right, and they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 4>let's make a deal. Let us do the album. Trauma
<v Speaker 4>Records does Tragic Kingdom instead of Interscope Records, and we'll
<v Speaker 4>release it and will distribute it, and we'll get it
<v Speaker 4>mixed properly and all this stuff. And they said, because
<v Speaker 4>this was a smaller independent label. They got the focus
<v Speaker 4>that they really needed for this album. And then once
<v Speaker 4>it's released, the guys from Trauma Records are the ones
<v Speaker 4>that get them played on k rock, and they're the
<v Speaker 4>ones that get them into the music stores so that
<v Speaker 4>other people can buy their albums. And then of course
<v Speaker 4>just a girl happens, millions and millions of dollars start
<v Speaker 4>rolling in and then Interscope bulks on them, and so
<v Speaker 4>they have to sue. Trauma Records has to sue Innerscope,
<v Speaker 4>and there's a big battle about you know, breach contract
<v Speaker 4>and extortion and all this other stuff. They end up
<v Speaker 4>settling I read for three million, but I'm not really
<v Speaker 4>trusting Wiki on that one. But it was a big
<v Speaker 4>lawsuit that happened. But it was all because these guys
<v Speaker 4>who had done sixteen Stone said we see something in
<v Speaker 4>this band, let us give it a shot. They're the
<v Speaker 4>reason that Tragic Kingdom did what it did, and had
<v Speaker 4>had they not been there, we wouldn't know about it.
<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. Yeah, you know, obviously something else happened. The
<v Speaker 3>Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale and quin Stefani fell madly.
<v Speaker 4>Love right, Well, they had started touring together. You know,
<v Speaker 4>you mentioned that they had toured with three eleven a bit.
<v Speaker 4>They also start touring with Bush. And she's broken up
<v Speaker 4>with Tony for over a year at this point, and
<v Speaker 4>Gavin Rossdale is a handsome man and she's a beautiful woman,
<v Speaker 4>and bands tend to hang out, and they ended up.
<v Speaker 4>They got married and were together for many years.
<v Speaker 3>They were to They dated for seven married for thirteen.
<v Speaker 4>Wow, twenty year relation.
<v Speaker 3>Year relationship until. I mean, this is the big scandal.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, he was banging the nanny, right, he.
<v Speaker 4>Was banging the nanny. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And here's the weird thing about this. So I looked
<v Speaker 3>into this a little bit. Yeah, it was a multi
<v Speaker 3>year affair. The nanny was her close friend and who
<v Speaker 3>looked up to her and emulated her. So she looked
<v Speaker 3>like Gwynn, like had her hair color style.
<v Speaker 4>It was like he banged them Mi Anie me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was like the hand of the rocks the cradle.
<v Speaker 3>It was kind of this weird thing. Yeah, and Gwynn
<v Speaker 3>found him out. Get this, you probably remember these days,
<v Speaker 3>But the iPad was connected to the phone and the
<v Speaker 3>nanny sent a text to the phone that also popped
<v Speaker 3>up with me on the iPad while she was looking
<v Speaker 3>at the iPad.
<v Speaker 4>Right, Okay, so now she hooks. She hooked up with
<v Speaker 4>Blake Shelton who she was doing.
<v Speaker 2>What was it?
<v Speaker 4>The voice? Was that what they did? The voice? Yeah?
<v Speaker 4>And Blake is an Oklahoma boy from Tissamingo, Oklahoma, is
<v Speaker 4>just down the road. You go down to Tissamingo, you're
<v Speaker 4>probably not doing much other than maybe going to a
<v Speaker 4>boomerang or I'd read which is Blake's restaurant, But you might.
<v Speaker 4>You could run into Gwen Stefani. There's no doubt, that's
<v Speaker 4>all right.
<v Speaker 2>I love it.
<v Speaker 3>Next song on the album is called.
<v Speaker 7>The Climentrisk must be play looking down to see a
<v Speaker 7>bottle a Time.
<v Speaker 4>This song has like an forties fifties feel to it
<v Speaker 4>for me. And you've got this kind of interesting I
<v Speaker 4>would say, I guess it's a calliope. I don't know
<v Speaker 4>kid find liapy. Yeah, that kind of circus sounding instrument
<v Speaker 4>that you hear in the background. I love it. I
<v Speaker 4>think this is a wonderful song.
<v Speaker 3>It's funny that you say that. This song reminds me
<v Speaker 3>I think we covered in our Dirty Dancing soundtrack. It
<v Speaker 3>feels like the you Don't Own me song.
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, very similar, you know we're talking about yeah exactly,
<v Speaker 4>and that's yeah, that's the right time period, exactly. Great song.
<v Speaker 4>Do you got anything on this one? Nope, Maybe that's kid.
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of songs on this album. I love
<v Speaker 4>the song, but we gotta keep it all got to
<v Speaker 4>move fast. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>This next song is called sixteen.
<v Speaker 4>This is interesting. This is kind of the blossom. You know,
<v Speaker 4>somebody's coming into their age and do they really know
<v Speaker 4>what they're doing. You're trying so hard you can't cop
<v Speaker 4>a feel, and then talk about you know, it's these
<v Speaker 4>rotten neighborhoods that have made these rotten kids. It's I
<v Speaker 4>don't know exactly how sixteen plays into it, other than
<v Speaker 4>that's the age that everybody seems to kind of look
<v Speaker 4>at you and go, well, you're old enough to not
<v Speaker 4>be doing this kid stuff anymore. And that's what they're
<v Speaker 4>dealing with. Again. We're getting that ska rhythm with this one,
<v Speaker 4>but it's I feel like it's they're playing it with
<v Speaker 4>a keyboard. I don't think this was the guitar that
<v Speaker 4>I was hearing that ska rhythm on it. It was
<v Speaker 4>the keyboards.
<v Speaker 3>I think this would be a good concert song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but for the album, I'm moving on pretty quickly to
<v Speaker 3>the next one.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, what are we going on? The next one?
<v Speaker 3>Next song is called Sunday Morning. All right, So Sunday Morning.
<v Speaker 3>This is the fifth single.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>It's the last music video for this album.
<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay.
<v Speaker 3>And I watched this music video. She looks like May
<v Speaker 3>West or something. You know, she's plucked out of a
<v Speaker 3>different era and dropped into this music video in the
<v Speaker 3>middle of the nineties.
<v Speaker 4>All Right.
<v Speaker 3>The big thing they do in this music video is
<v Speaker 3>they make Italian food. I'm looking for the guy from
<v Speaker 3>Goodfellas who's like razoring the garlic in the corner. But
<v Speaker 3>so they make this big to do about making Italian food.
<v Speaker 3>Then they get in a food fight at the end.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's I remember the food fight.
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of fun. This was released as a VHS single. Wow,
<v Speaker 3>put this in your VHS recorder. I think this one's
<v Speaker 3>kind of a favorite among the fans.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like this has to be another song about
<v Speaker 4>her breakup with Tony Kanal, like this one very much
<v Speaker 4>is about the at the kind of the anger that
<v Speaker 4>she's directing towards him to.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm so glad you said that, because that jump
<v Speaker 3>started a thing in my brain where I saw her
<v Speaker 3>telling the story about the birth of this song.
<v Speaker 4>Okay.
<v Speaker 3>Now, she did a lot of riding with Tony despite
<v Speaker 3>their breakup, right, okay, And she had to go to
<v Speaker 3>the bathroom, and I think, if I'm reading between the lines,
<v Speaker 3>I think she was sick to her stomach. I think
<v Speaker 3>she was maybe barfing in the toilet, Okay. And so
<v Speaker 3>he goes to comfort her and is playing. He said,
<v Speaker 3>he plays the bass. He does not play guitar. He
<v Speaker 3>knows like three or four chords and that's it. And
<v Speaker 3>so he's playing the only three or four chords that
<v Speaker 3>he knows, and he's singing through the door to her,
<v Speaker 3>some stupid little ditty about I hope you feel better,
<v Speaker 3>so weekend, sing some more, you get back, we'll do
<v Speaker 3>it again. But for some however, that worked out. That
<v Speaker 3>became the building blocks for this song.
<v Speaker 4>The three chords that he knew how to play on
<v Speaker 4>the guitar.
<v Speaker 3>He said, he can't even sing like he was singing
<v Speaker 3>playing guitar. He does neither of those. Well, and she's
<v Speaker 3>barfing in the toilet.
<v Speaker 4>It's great, good one, all right.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, let's get to the heaviest of the heavy
<v Speaker 3>hitters here.
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna take a moment and I'm gonna go back
<v Speaker 4>nineteen ninety five, driving in my ninety two Nissan Sentra
<v Speaker 4>with my JBC CD player that I aftermarket put in,
<v Speaker 4>and I'm going through the songs, and this song Don't
<v Speaker 4>Speak starts like this, I don't.
<v Speaker 1>Want him.
<v Speaker 4>Thirty years later, and the hair on the back of
<v Speaker 4>my neck still staying kills. Man. It is so so
<v Speaker 4>good and an entirely different style of music than you've
<v Speaker 4>heard on any other song on this album. Got a
<v Speaker 4>very Latin style of this, a classical guitar playing instead
<v Speaker 4>of Tom's normal heavy, distorted guitar. And then they make
<v Speaker 4>the video for it and they take it up like
<v Speaker 4>eight notches. That's true, true, So obviously whenever the whenever
<v Speaker 4>the band became big. Part of the reason they became
<v Speaker 4>big is because she's beautiful, she's active on stage, they're
<v Speaker 4>doing a lot of press. They're unfortunately having to talk
<v Speaker 4>about the breakup a lot over and over again and over,
<v Speaker 4>which is of course the subject of this song. And
<v Speaker 4>you know you sent me like a clip of the
<v Speaker 4>original way this song came out and they were it
<v Speaker 4>was being played on a keyboard and the melody was
<v Speaker 4>kind of the same, but the meaning of the song
<v Speaker 4>was completely different. She was saying, don't speak, You're not
<v Speaker 4>teaching me anything, right.
<v Speaker 3>Let's listen to that version right here.
<v Speaker 8>Together, and we will forever.
<v Speaker 9>That's pressure, treasure, don't speak for you, say absolute, please
<v Speaker 9>stop explain.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, the bones are there, but it is not the
<v Speaker 3>mega ton bomb that this song becomes.
<v Speaker 4>Well, like I said, I don't think at this point
<v Speaker 4>that my opinion is at this point it wasn't about
<v Speaker 4>the breakup. I think she switched because the lyrics ares
<v Speaker 4>different at different Yeah, and so there's an emotion behind
<v Speaker 4>it because of the breakup. But then also at this
<v Speaker 4>time when they've become famous and she's become the star
<v Speaker 4>of the show, they are doing all this press. They're
<v Speaker 4>getting on magazines and having stories written about them, and
<v Speaker 4>Spin magazine contacts them and says, we want to do
<v Speaker 4>a cover story on you, and they're like, oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 4>Spin Magazine, Oh we are cover story. And they're like,
<v Speaker 4>when do we show up for the pictures and they're like,
<v Speaker 4>we only need her yeah, and that I mean that's
<v Speaker 4>got to hurt, Right, You've got this elative moment that
<v Speaker 4>you're gonna be on the cover of one of your
<v Speaker 4>favorite music magazines, and then you're not. It's just gonna
<v Speaker 4>be the girl. And she had to feel bad too,
<v Speaker 4>because it's like she's not choosing this, but it's obviously
<v Speaker 4>creating some animosity between her and the band. And then
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to think about what are they gonna do
<v Speaker 4>for the video for this new song that's coming out
<v Speaker 4>that's about a breakup? They said, what if we did
<v Speaker 4>it like it was the breakup of the band, And
<v Speaker 4>they said, we literally couldn't think of anything sadder. And
<v Speaker 4>so you have these moments in the video where, like
<v Speaker 4>you know, the magazine guys are like they have a
<v Speaker 4>sure the whole band and they just take the frame
<v Speaker 4>down to just her face, right, And I saw Tony
<v Speaker 4>talking about this and he goes, the reason the acting's
<v Speaker 4>really good in this is because we weren't really acting.
<v Speaker 8>That's it.
<v Speaker 4>It's heartbreaking.
<v Speaker 3>So this song, like you said, it was originally written
<v Speaker 3>as a love song. Her brother Eric Stefani helped her
<v Speaker 3>write it.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he had done most of the writing for their
<v Speaker 4>songs up until he left in ninety four. So this
<v Speaker 4>is really this is her coming out the band working
<v Speaker 4>more together as the songwriting, but he's still got he's
<v Speaker 4>definitely got his hands all over the songs. Right.
<v Speaker 3>So you said everything that I was going to say
<v Speaker 3>about the song, except this was the number one song
<v Speaker 3>on Billboard Airplay for sixteen weeks bread over. Yeah that's forever,
<v Speaker 3>that's four or five months.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Do you know the song that bested it? This song
<v Speaker 3>knocked it out of its record breaking spot in the nineties.
<v Speaker 4>That's a big one, right, that is a big one.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That song is called Iris by the Griga Dolls. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but the very end of it, when she's
<v Speaker 3>saying she's going through that hush hush.
<v Speaker 4>Its heartbreaker, it is. It's amazingly good. And I forgot
<v Speaker 4>to mention this. You know, you talked about the other
<v Speaker 4>two like Spiderwebs and just a Girl, and she was
<v Speaker 4>you know, she's wearing the style that she kind of
<v Speaker 4>made a thing but was definitely a style of the
<v Speaker 4>Orange County Girls, which are the baggy sweatpants or baggy
<v Speaker 4>you know, workout pants and the tight cropped top. In
<v Speaker 4>this video, she's wearing what I would describe as a
<v Speaker 4>mom dress, and her hair is very demur and it's
<v Speaker 4>it's like they wanted to make her not hot and
<v Speaker 4>sexy in this and it works perfectly.
<v Speaker 10>Did it?
<v Speaker 3>Did it make her not?
<v Speaker 4>She can't avoid it, but they toned it down for this,
<v Speaker 4>and I think that the seeing her in this kind
<v Speaker 4>of conservative dress, it was the right choice to make.
<v Speaker 4>It was the perfect choice for this video.
<v Speaker 3>Man, love it one of the truly great songs in
<v Speaker 3>the nineties.
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I hate to leave this one.
<v Speaker 3>Next song on the album is called.
<v Speaker 4>You Can Do It.
<v Speaker 10>You can do It?
<v Speaker 4>Okay. I hear this song and I'm ready for Punching
<v Speaker 4>John to start right out.
<v Speaker 3>It's got a lot of disco in it.
<v Speaker 4>This is so disco, and I'll tell you, you know,
<v Speaker 4>as as abhorrent as disco was in the eighties, you know,
<v Speaker 4>when we were listening to Michael Jackson and Prince and
<v Speaker 4>hair metal and stuff like that. By the time ninety
<v Speaker 4>five hits, and even before that when I wasn't still
<v Speaker 4>in high school. So I'd say probably ninety three ninety four,
<v Speaker 4>girls are wearing belt bottoms again and it looks good.
<v Speaker 4>And so for this song to be on this album
<v Speaker 4>that's so heavily disco inspired. I was like, heck, yeah, man,
<v Speaker 4>turn this up. Let's let's let's boogie woogie woogie.
<v Speaker 3>You know who is a big fan of this song?
<v Speaker 4>Tell me Barack Obama.
<v Speaker 3>It's not Barack Obama, right, very similar though, it's the
<v Speaker 3>world famous co host of the Accidental Legends podcast, mister
<v Speaker 3>Dirk Smith himself.
<v Speaker 4>Derek Smith, nice good, good called Dirk. Guys, if you
<v Speaker 4>haven't checked out Accidental Legends, it will have either just
<v Speaker 4>dropped their dropping their first episode on December fifteenth, Be
<v Speaker 4>sure and go look up Accidental Legends, hosted by our
<v Speaker 4>friends Dirk Smith and Matthew Brent. Dirk even came and
<v Speaker 4>co hosted an episode. Matthew went to Shirleyfest with us.
<v Speaker 4>The great guys. They're gonna have this great podcast where
<v Speaker 4>it like it like the title might imply somebody who
<v Speaker 4>became famous kind of by surprise.
<v Speaker 3>No doubt it would definitely be a candidate for that podcast,
<v Speaker 3>right all right, next song.
<v Speaker 4>On the album, The song is called World Go Round.
<v Speaker 4>This album is like a schmorgasbord of music. Here. We
<v Speaker 4>just went from a Latin in romance tune to a
<v Speaker 4>disco dance tune to a kind of country ska mix.
<v Speaker 4>This is incredible. I can't I can't tell you how
<v Speaker 4>awesome it was back in nineteen ninety five ninety six
<v Speaker 4>to pop this album in and hear all of this,
<v Speaker 4>these kinds of music. We're gonna give our final judgment
<v Speaker 4>at the end of this episode as to what our
<v Speaker 4>silver gold bronze are for these three albums that we've
<v Speaker 4>been covering. But I got to say a big factor
<v Speaker 4>in my decision is going to be the variety and
<v Speaker 4>amazing changes in music that were nothing that anybody was doing,
<v Speaker 4>and really not many people did after this, even this
<v Speaker 4>is really great stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, for me, No Doubt literally is the
<v Speaker 3>last new music I listened to before I bailed.
<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.
<v Speaker 3>So my oldest son, Gunner, was born in two thousand
<v Speaker 3>and two, okay, and I remember changing diapers to the
<v Speaker 3>radio and hearing like Hella Good was the big song
<v Speaker 3>at the time, right, which was a great No Doubt
<v Speaker 3>song that was I think two albums after this. So
<v Speaker 3>they hold a special place in my heart because they
<v Speaker 3>are the last band before I bailed on pop culture.
<v Speaker 4>Wow. Okay, So I feel like this song is trying
<v Speaker 4>to make a political statement, but it's so vague. I
<v Speaker 4>don't know what the political statement is like, it just
<v Speaker 4>misses its mark on the lyrics.
<v Speaker 2>Here.
<v Speaker 4>Good thing that the music's fantastic because I don't know
<v Speaker 4>what makes the world find a different way to make
<v Speaker 4>their world go round.
<v Speaker 3>Means I'm okay with not making a political statement on
<v Speaker 3>every song.
<v Speaker 4>I'm real good with it. But if you're going to
<v Speaker 4>do it where people know what you're talking about, I'm
<v Speaker 4>just saying I don't know. I don't know what this
<v Speaker 4>is about. But anyway, we got to move on to
<v Speaker 4>our next song.
<v Speaker 3>Next song is called end it on this.
<v Speaker 4>So this is the last song. No, they have title
<v Speaker 4>to end it on this and then they don't end it.
<v Speaker 11>Yes, all right here it is ended on this.
<v Speaker 4>It's another breakup song.
<v Speaker 3>It is like I said, the breakup between her and
<v Speaker 3>Tony is maybe the epicenter for what this album became.
<v Speaker 4>It's it is the fuel for the fire for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely the only little tibbet I have on this song. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>Gwynn gave this song as a demo to her dad,
<v Speaker 3>who played guitar from.
<v Speaker 4>Our guitar at college.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, attle harp i think something like that. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 3>they liked folk music back in the day.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right.
<v Speaker 3>She gave this to her dad and said, hey, will
<v Speaker 3>you listen to this, see what you think got any
<v Speaker 3>tweaks for me?
<v Speaker 4>And he said something, He.
<v Speaker 3>Said, why don't you get home? Why stop driving so late?
<v Speaker 6>Oh?
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So there's a quick story on the driving so late.
<v Speaker 4>You know Tony's parents, like I said, they're all kinds
<v Speaker 4>of good families. They're from India, so you know, they've
<v Speaker 4>got a cultural take care of the family kind of thing.
<v Speaker 4>And when he started playing with the band, they would
<v Speaker 4>be playing on weeknights and he wouldn't come and home.
<v Speaker 4>He wouldn't be home until three am. And his parents
<v Speaker 4>were like, you can't keep doing this. And he's like,
<v Speaker 4>you don't understand, Like this is this is real, this
<v Speaker 4>is something, this is amazing, and you just you don't
<v Speaker 4>get it. Please look at the guys that I'm with,
<v Speaker 4>they're all people from good families. Look at their parents.
<v Speaker 4>They're nice parents. We're not out there doing bad stuff.
<v Speaker 4>They're like, you're one of the first acts to play,
<v Speaker 4>why are you coming home at three am? What they
<v Speaker 4>would do is they would play, then they would go
<v Speaker 4>back to somebody's house, probably the Beacon Street place, and
<v Speaker 4>they would watch videos of themselves. They basically did like
<v Speaker 4>the sports trick of let's watch our film and go
<v Speaker 4>that worked that didn't, and use it to improve their show.
<v Speaker 4>So they weren't out partying until three am. They were
<v Speaker 4>out mastering their craft by looking at what they look
<v Speaker 4>like on stage and making it better for each consecutive show.
<v Speaker 3>That's cool. Yeah, you know I heard a story that
<v Speaker 3>they're drummer Adrian Young, who actually talked about in this
<v Speaker 3>month's Patreon Yeah that's right. Yeah, I'm not gonna give
<v Speaker 3>any details on that song, but he would play shows
<v Speaker 3>completely naked, right, Like.
<v Speaker 4>He practiced completely naked.
<v Speaker 3>Go ahead, maybe that's one of the things they review, like, hmmm,
<v Speaker 3>maybe put on some clothes.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, put a sock on. D So on him joining
<v Speaker 4>the band, it's another interesting story because you know, he
<v Speaker 4>comes in and he's a fan, like he's the last
<v Speaker 4>of the kind of core four members. He's the last
<v Speaker 4>one to join, right, But he's grown up listening, I
<v Speaker 4>mean grown up. He's been going to these shows and
<v Speaker 4>listening to these guys, and he's got their little cassette
<v Speaker 4>tapes that they've made, and so he finds out he's
<v Speaker 4>been playing drums for a year and a half. And
<v Speaker 4>he finds out they need a drummer, and he knows
<v Speaker 4>because he's a fan, he knows the drums, and so
<v Speaker 4>he shows up and he says a playing for about
<v Speaker 4>eight years. And they said when they heard him play,
<v Speaker 4>he knew the song so well they thought they believed him. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 4>he's been playing years plus. He is such a like
<v Speaker 4>vibrant personality, like the guy who's going to play be
<v Speaker 4>a naked buck a naked on stage and you see
<v Speaker 4>him and he'll make a little double horns out of
<v Speaker 4>his hair, or do these weird kind of swoopy things,
<v Speaker 4>or have leopard print in his buzz cut. It's he's
<v Speaker 4>he seems to be a very interesting guy. I was
<v Speaker 4>surprised that he is a scratch golfer. I was not
<v Speaker 4>expecting that. But yeah, he apparently is a scratch golfer.
<v Speaker 4>Gets invited to do the charity celebrity tournaments all the
<v Speaker 4>time because he's so good. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 4>Last song on the album, and the song the album
<v Speaker 4>is named four. This song is called Tragic Kingdom remain see.
<v Speaker 6>This play him when they said Sam.
<v Speaker 4>Thomas, okay, Tragic Kingdom YEP. As we mentioned before, this
<v Speaker 4>was written literally where they could hear the Matterhorn ride
<v Speaker 4>like it's right next to Disneyland. Yeah, and I'm trying
<v Speaker 4>to figure out if that's kind of what it's about, Like,
<v Speaker 4>is the is the old king Disney you know, are
<v Speaker 4>are they worshiping something that was once good that is
<v Speaker 4>now bad or they blind mice and the music it's
<v Speaker 4>like a freaking Andrew Lloyd Weber Like this is like
<v Speaker 4>Phantom of the Opera kind of style to it, once
<v Speaker 4>again giving something completely new and different than any other
<v Speaker 4>song on the album. It's wonderful, it's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 3>So at the beginning of it, you have the please
<v Speaker 3>Be Seated, you know, the little track that you can.
<v Speaker 4>Hear the roller coaster tracks come yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And then when it starts to me, it sounds like
<v Speaker 3>it could be played over the loudspeakers, like maybe on
<v Speaker 3>the Hunted Mansion ride. It's it's dark, you know, the
<v Speaker 3>chorus is kind of in that minor key, and then
<v Speaker 3>it goes into nightmare fuel in the last.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, last thirty second, Yeah, last thirty seconds. So we'll
<v Speaker 4>play that for you real quick. Okay, what did you
<v Speaker 4>tell me?
<v Speaker 3>All right, So, at the very very very end of it,
<v Speaker 3>as it's fading out, like literally the last four or
<v Speaker 3>five seconds of the song, there are some sour notes
<v Speaker 3>played on a trumpet something like that, and I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 3>that's the Star Wars theme.
<v Speaker 4>That's it, right right. So I'll tell you this. I
<v Speaker 4>remember years ago somebody go into a No Doubt concert
<v Speaker 4>and they said they played the Star Wars theme like
<v Speaker 4>they played the whole thing. So I just pulled it
<v Speaker 4>up on YouTube. Let's see if we can.
<v Speaker 3>That's really cool, man. That's like a rock concert entrance
<v Speaker 3>right there.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it was great. They all come marching out,
<v Speaker 4>and of course it's the Imperial March. It's not the theme.
<v Speaker 4>But I there's no doubt you're right that that you
<v Speaker 4>did it. I did it. Take your last drink hopefully.
<v Speaker 3>The show, okay, before we get to your final judgment. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>you're at the roller rink. Okay, these three girls are
<v Speaker 3>lined up. Which one do you ask to couple skate with?
<v Speaker 4>First jewel?
<v Speaker 3>Okay?
<v Speaker 4>Number two? No hesitation?
<v Speaker 3>Uh?
<v Speaker 4>When Stefani okay can't go wrong? You can't go wrong
<v Speaker 4>if by follow my face and Jewel, and when Stepani
<v Speaker 4>roll off, I'm still like, hey, like okay, sky with you? Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I went to win.
<v Speaker 3>What if you're in a movie theater? Yeah all right,
<v Speaker 3>so let's get onto our final judgment. Yeah, okay, d
<v Speaker 3>go ahead, man, this is your thing?
<v Speaker 4>Okay. So Alanis Morissett has the third most like this.
<v Speaker 4>The Jagged Little Pill was the third biggest selling album
<v Speaker 4>of the nineties. Yes, not girl album, but there were
<v Speaker 4>plenty of girls of them all number three.
<v Speaker 3>Right.
<v Speaker 4>This changed what music could be, no doubt, change what
<v Speaker 4>music could be. It was a shift big time. I mean,
<v Speaker 4>these guys were in the wrong place at the wrong
<v Speaker 4>time when they were becoming big while grunge was big.
<v Speaker 4>But as you said, they stood their ground. They made
<v Speaker 4>their own music and with no expectation at all, released
<v Speaker 4>an album that was a groundbreaker. And then there's Jewel,
<v Speaker 4>who's singing coffeehouse songs. Right, I'm not going to tell
<v Speaker 4>you what I think is the best musically. I'm not
<v Speaker 4>going to tell you what I think has the longest
<v Speaker 4>staying power. I'm going to tell you I'm picking my
<v Speaker 4>gold based on what moved me the most. Okay, it
<v Speaker 4>had the same effect on me thirty years later as
<v Speaker 4>it did when I listened to it back in nineteen
<v Speaker 4>ninety six. Okay, only one of these albums made me cry,
<v Speaker 4>like literally tears crying, and it's Jewel, And I realized
<v Speaker 4>that she is the Probably you know, anybody else looking
<v Speaker 4>at this is going to say, well, she's obviously the bronze.
<v Speaker 4>She's obviously the bronze, and I do. I have always
<v Speaker 4>found her very attractive, but I didn't know what she
<v Speaker 4>looked like other than her little face on the on
<v Speaker 4>the CD cover until after I had heard the CD.
<v Speaker 4>But she moved me so much with those little coffeehouse
<v Speaker 4>songs that for me, just from my own personal experience,
<v Speaker 4>she's gold.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, she's the gold. How about that?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Now, the really really difficult part is figuring out
<v Speaker 4>which of these other two gets silver and which gets bronze.
<v Speaker 4>If I was saying music, you know, the skill of
<v Speaker 4>the musicians playing, and the uniqueness in sound and even
<v Speaker 4>just monumental moments for me as well, I would probably
<v Speaker 4>pick Tragic Can. But if I've got to listen to
<v Speaker 4>one album beginning to end, I think I'm much more
<v Speaker 4>likely to pick Jagged Little Pill because it is such
<v Speaker 4>and it's an unblemished album from beginning to end. There
<v Speaker 4>are several songs. I mean, there's fourteen songs on Tragic Kingdom.
<v Speaker 4>I'd skip some of them, Okay, I mean just because
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot and I want to get to some
<v Speaker 4>of the songs. I don't think there's a single song
<v Speaker 4>other than the last song on Jagged Little Pill that
<v Speaker 4>I would skip. And so I'm gonna say Jagged Little
<v Speaker 4>Pill is my silver metal and Tragic Kingdom is bronze.
<v Speaker 4>But it's a daggum neck and neck and they're all
<v Speaker 4>neck and neck. We're talking hundreds of a second difference
<v Speaker 4>in this race. So there you go, very good, very good.
<v Speaker 4>Well this has been a fun comparison. Yeah, I will
<v Speaker 4>tell you that my gold.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can't back down from what I think
<v Speaker 3>is maybe the best album of the nineties, which I
<v Speaker 3>think Jagged a Little Pill is a masterpiece.
<v Speaker 4>Yep, no skippers.
<v Speaker 3>All songs are great, powerful, I love them. Jag a
<v Speaker 3>Little Pill is mine number one. I hadn't really been
<v Speaker 3>exposed to all the jewel songs Tragic Kingdom. While they
<v Speaker 3>have some great peaks, I didn't really know the in
<v Speaker 3>between songs, So after listening, I think I'm gonna take
<v Speaker 3>if I'm walking out the door, maybe just because of
<v Speaker 3>Don't Speak, I'm grabbing Tragic Kingdom, and then Jewel would
<v Speaker 3>be my bronze. But I had a great time with
<v Speaker 3>that one. I think it's fun. It reminds me of
<v Speaker 3>hiking and skiing in Colorado. So I loved all three.
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<v Speaker 4>about how this album moved them, or that album moved them,
<v Speaker 4>or this movie was so meaningful. Or how they enjoy
<v Speaker 4>listening to this podcast with their kids. So, guys, thank
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's talk about what we have next week.
<v Speaker 4>This is I was talking to some people. I met
<v Speaker 4>some people last night. They had a stack of vinyl
<v Speaker 4>LPs in a guest room records, and so I immediately
<v Speaker 4>started talking to them. We talked, had great joy talking
<v Speaker 4>to them, and I brought up next matchup is gonna be?
<v Speaker 4>And I said Saint Elmo's Fire, and the wife was like,
<v Speaker 4>shut up. She's like, I am subscribing right now. I'm like,
<v Speaker 4>I haven't even gotten to part two. Part two is
<v Speaker 4>the Breakfast Club. She's like, I love the brat Pack
<v Speaker 4>and I said, honestly, I haven't seen sane Emos Fire yet,
<v Speaker 4>and again she went shut up, and I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. It was It was an R and I
<v Speaker 4>was a little kid at the time that it came out,
<v Speaker 4>so I didn't need to see it, although I did
<v Speaker 4>see sixteen Candles quite a bit. And she mentioned something
<v Speaker 4>about the awkwardness of the date rape that's in that movie,
<v Speaker 4>which I didn't really occur to me until now, but yes,
<v Speaker 4>that does make it a little weird. But anyway, we
<v Speaker 4>will be doing Breakfast Club versus Saint Almost Fire, so tune.
<v Speaker 8>In for that one.
<v Speaker 3>See you next week, guys.
<v Speaker 4>Thanks guys, Thank you.
<v Speaker 3>He went on to direct remakes of Friday the Thirteenth,
<v Speaker 3>Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Conan O'Brien, Conan O'Brien, Conan the Barbaria.
<v Speaker 3>Let me say that again.
<v Speaker 10>I'll I'll take