We'll Call it Ugly: Madrid Updates, Alcaraz's Withdrawals, NCAA & Rafa Doc

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubbs Tennis Podcast. I am that person, and I am joined by the one and only Caitlin Thompson once again. Oh so lucky to have you again, Caitlin. All right, So we have a lot to get to, as per usual, Caitlin, because I know it's your favorite time of the year to get up at five in the morning or six in the morning and watch clay court tennis. And it has been a plethora of tennis already in Madrid. We've had great storylines, We've had some crazy shit go down this week already. We've got some wonderful comebacks that I want to get to as well. That are ie people that have come back from injuries and various things like that, and one in particular that I'm very interested in. But you know, you're overall thoughts Caitlin on what you've seen thus far of this lovely ten day event that the players love not so much, and like some players have already lost first round, they're like, Okay, what the fuck am we going to do now for two weeks?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they have to go to Rome and what are they going to fly home? To various stretches. I guess if you're in Europe, you can take a train home or you know, maybe even hitchhik.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't think there's some Americans that will like, get me on that flight back on Delta aback to Florida and then I can come back and probably there have been something to do it.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, maybe, although you know, I wonder at the wisdom of that. You know, we're going to get into the matches and obviously talked about the results. I somehow doubt we're going to be talking about Emilio Nava, who is a you know, sort of second tier American player. But the point has been made that this is the only American male to do really well in this tournament because he trains on clay in South America. Now it makes me wonder if I am one of these American men who's want lost early in Madrid and I've got a real big Open week ahead of me, wouldn't it behoove me to stay on clay and get ready for Rome and then Roland garros by getting more reps on that beautiful Tierra Batuda.

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Speaker 1: To me, it would, yes, it would, but a lot of American men in particular, creatures of habit and like to jump on a flight and maybe go home for a week. But I would, I digress, and I would not do that. I would definitely stay in Europe. I would get my teeth wet more on the clay and understand how to play on it, how to slide on it, how to manufacture a point on it, et cetera, et cetera. You know. And another interesting thing is that Anne Lee, for example, who had a pretty decent tournament her self, practices and plays and all her tennis in Spain. So I mean, listen, there's positives and negatives to that. You know, it's hard to be away from home. I think it depends on the age you are. But I think if you want to develop your sort of all court clay court style grind nature, learn how to maybe put to point together a little bit better rather than those hit winners. Yes, you should spend a season training on clay, go to the raffie on the academy and go to the you know, the one colis Vera academy. Learned to like how to actually play on clay for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and for me, the Americans and men in particular not traditionally successful on clay. I was watching a match that our friend Miles David from Tuned into Tennis was posting on the internet earlier this week, and it was a quarter final match between Pete Samprass and Jim Currier, two American men at Roland Garos fighting it out in the top group of players, and I just remember thinking, Wow, Pete Samprass is not known as a clay court player. If anything, we know him for winning a ton on grass. The fact that he and Currier played an epic match over five sets at Roland Garos indicates how far the level has dropped off, not only for men in the US generally, but just especially on being able to handle different services. You know, you really got to be a European fan and or a fan of women, which you know we perennially are if you want to enjoy the natural surface part of the season, because yeah, the American men don't tend to do too great once the once game moves off of hard court. But you know what it's on at six am. I love it. I'm watching interesting matches. I just watched Titsipas when he's down into the round of sixteen. You know, there's all sorts of interesting storylines.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just couldn't wait, could you. You could not wait? Now, listeners are just like we were wondering when Caitlin was going to talk about Sitzapas and the fact that he's still in the tournament, and.

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Speaker 2: I love it, you know, good for him him, and I love it. I Look, what I like so much about this time of the year is the storylines start to coalesce. They're not always what you think. Now all of a sudden, Arthur Feast looks like a credible challenger to the hegemony of Carlos Alcarez and Yennick Center, which obviously we'll talk about both of them. So yeah, I just like when things get a little chaotic and it's like, and see this guy coming, or remember that guy he thought he did and blood.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but he beat a qualifier. Let's not get too carried away here.

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Speaker 2: He beat four people in front of him so far on the tournament.

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Speaker 1: This is true. This is true. Listen. I'm happy. I want Sitzapas to be doing well. He's a great person to watch, he's a great player to he's an interesting character. We both love, the one handed backhand, all the things. So we like that he's out there and winning matches. You know, obviously Janick Sinner is just running through the straw. He is looking more. I predicted before Carlos pulled out of the French I did predict it. I thought he was going to win the French Open. I think there's such unfinished business from what happened last year, which you know, he doesn't need to be reminded of serving for the match, being up love forty on Carlos a serve. I mean that's got to just piss him off. I mean it would. I think I would think about if I was him that match once a day, every day, every day since I lost. There's no doubt he has hit a ball in practice or there's something where it's sort of like I don't know it's happened where he's like, oh, why didn't I do that on that match point or something. There's no question he thinks about that once a day at least once. So I mean the only way he's going to let go of that is if he wins the match and wins the tournament this year. And I think he's gonna do that now.

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Speaker 2: With Carlos out, it does seem more likely than ever, although, like I said, I would love it if an Arthur Feast comes in and spoils the party.

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Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna say it's a possible, Hey, it's possible. He plays very well on clay, but.

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Speaker 2: Also Susy Pass Let's not forget, was one set away from being the friend shopen oh so many years ago against Novak Djokovic. Yeah, the crazier things have happened, But I do like the fact that it's you know, the men's side is not just the same couple faces. There's a little bit of intrigue, including a young Spaniard who we should probably talk about.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that before we get into Carlos. Let's talk about the other Spanish play that with the name called Raphael. Yeah, just to I mean to watch him and Fan Saca play that match was just like so fun because all I kept thinking was please let these two be around for another ten years doing this because it was so fun. Interesting to see the fact that they're both what nineteen years of age, which is really hilarious that Fonseka is still only nineteen years of age and everyone's like it probably the first match of Fonseka has gone out and gone, oh wow, I'm the favorite, and am I the more mature one here? But yet this young guy, Rafa number two has come out and man or man what a forehand? Like? Just absolutely clocks the forehand, No fear. Clearly has had the crowd behind him, even though that must be very unusual for Fonsaca because Ska usually has the crowd on his side, but he had a good contingent of Brazilians there as well. The atmosphere was awesome. Your thoughts on Rafa number.

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Speaker 2: Two It's hard to tell. I mean, I see the big fourhand. I also see Jael Fonsika's big fourhand. And I'm going to say something kind of controversial, although my like larger point is Viva Spanya. And I'm really excited because I love Spanish players and I love watching them play at home. And you know, I'm generalizing, but traditional I'm here for every Spanish player, including the woman who you've probably played about a bajillion times and for whom one of these courts is named after, Araanchachez A.

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly.

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Speaker 2: So for me, I am excited. In theory. I didn't get that excited about watching him. It didn't look that emotional or sort of variety filled. That's a little bit of a devil's advocateake. I love that his dad coaches him. I love that he's not some like hyped prospect that IMG already has its tentacles around and is hyping him before we actually get to see him play. That's a nice change of pace. But I want to ask you, as the certainly the technical expert on this chat, what do you see that looks so exciting because I don't yet see it. Well.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I did really like is that, you know, he's got a pretty not extreme like not like Coco extreme, but he has pretty extreme grip on the forehand. But I feel like he gets down to the low fourhands that are sort of in that area of the court, like midway up the court, the service line area that some players struggle with because but he and here's the diff ference, he rips it cross court. He you know, he he gets underneath that and he has such amazing racket heead speed. He can produce really easy power, and so that's exciting for him because hitting and he hits the ball really deep in the court. So for someone who's nineteen. He sort of really gets depth on his groundstrokes. He clocks the ball, he goes after the return. He hit a couple of kick serves like rip the back end down the line. Here's the thing that people don't have to remember about this. Yes he played great, Yes he won this match. Yes he's an absolute no question, he's going to be a very good player. But coaches start to look at tendencies. Coaches start to look at where they hit the ball. Coaches start to look at where they make their mistakes. You know, you think about someone like a Darren k Hill. He'll take every stat of this guy and he will break it down and he'll say he's four and goes here across court eighty five percent of the time it goes here down the line. That's the difference with having analytics and you know companies like Hawkeye and all these sort of companies, is that you can start picking apart somebody's strengths and weaknesses really easily. So, yes, he's having a fabulous week this week. But then you start getting on hard court, does the forehand change a little bit? He's got quite big swings, Like is that going to get taken advantage of on a faster court. So calm the farm, everybody, this is what happens. He's having an amazing week. Is he going to be top twenty in the world. Yes, I believe he will be because he does have this, you know, really big game at nineteen. He's only nineteen. He moves well all the things, and he has a very good calm demeanor. I like that about him as well. So look to be determined how good he's going to be. But because there's a sophomore jinx of what we talk about the next year, Like some people can come out and have an amazing year and then the next year I was like, oh, I know exactly where you're going to hit that forehand. I know exactly where you're going to hit that serve, and they start to pick that apart the great players. This is why you, as a great player, have to always improve your game because everyone's looking at you all the time. There's so much data on you. There's so much data on Sinner, on Alcorazon Novak. You have to start developing even more on your game. The better you get. So on that note, great player, he's obviously going to He's still in the tournament, could win the tournament. You never know. Yeah, who knows, and we'll see. But yeah, a tremendous young talent, there's no doubt about that. And what a great name. Come on, I have so much to say about Raffa. We'll save it for our second segment. But anybody who picks up the mantle of the greatest man on Clay Ruff and it all already has several points working in his favor. I mean, his dad had a His dad was like, listen, this is he's like a Richard Williams. He's like, we're going to have a kid. We're going to call it Rauffa and he's going to be a great tennis player. And guess what, good job dad. So far, so good, so far, so good. Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I'm super excited about it. I like that Caspar Rude is having a good timement as well. This is his time time of the year to shine my little man David, so he can't say his name choke on it every time. Everyone at home it's like, oh my god, Renee, you're so bad with this. But it's like a mental block. I told you I had did an interview with him in Washington, d C. After he won his semi final, made the finals and he had that very difficult loss to Alex Demonor in the final, and as I was like saying and ladies and gentlemen through to the final, and I was like, it's like a glitch in my head.

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Speaker 2: I think you do better than most people in general with all these names.

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Speaker 1: So well, thank you, Caitlyn. See this is why you're.

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Speaker 2: Here on a curve. But I do think it's pretty good.

00:12:30
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I have had an epiphany. All the listeners out there, we try and be more supportive of one another. Okay, try not to give her too much of a hard time on the tennis court. She tries to communicate with me better from time to time. Look at us, look at us.

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Speaker 2: Growth. What growth is called?

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Speaker 1: This is growth. But yeah, I'm super happy to see him back doing well. This this is time to shine. Nobody talks about him winning this tournament. But look out for old Caspar because he loves the claim.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Caspreud has also been in a French Open final. And speaking of the generation, right, we're already onto the ju Al Fonseka Rafa Hodar generation. Not even mentioning Carlos Alcoriz and Yannick Center. But remember the generation in between, Remember the TCU passes and the Kasperuds and the Medvedev's. Here they are. They're still in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Meddi's still in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: Meddi's still in the tournament. He's playing right now. Like, who knows, anything could happen. Kids, follow your dreams. So for me, like, we'll see what happens. We should talk a little bit about.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to the ladies.

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Speaker 2: We want to talk to the ladies. Yeah, we should talk about Carlos.

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Speaker 1: So no at all. Now I have a couple of things, and that was a couple of people that three questions at me as well. So we'll get to those later. But here's the thing. I played twenty two years on tour. I had some injuries. I had stress fractures. I had knee surgeries, not major ones, but knee surgeries. I had all kinds of problems because you know, I'm me. But the worst injury I had as a player, without question, was a risk injury. In nineteen ninety seven, I was currently at that moment the highest in my singles ranking. I think I was sixty in the world. I was really starting to make it a dent in my singles game. I was starting to understand myself as a singles player better. You know. I was top ten and double so I was having a great year nineteen ninety six. It was a really good year for me to get my shit together. Basically, I started living in the US, started working out here and all the things, so it was a good trajectory. And then boom. I got a risk injury at the beginning of nineteen ninety seven and I could not hit a fourhand. I couldn't hit a fourhand much anyway, but I really could not hit the shot. I was in a tremendous amount of pain. I was seeing doctors, I was doing this, I was doing that, And finally, like seven months later, I saw a physio and at Wimbledon. Actually that basically cured my wrist. Oh, but that's a whole different story. I lost seven months of my career. Basically, my singles ranking tanked down for me to come back in doubles because it just made it was easier. But I really struggled after that with my singles a lot. But the risk injury is no fucking bueno. It is no, Joe, it is the worst injury in tennis because no matter what, if you can't hit the ball, you can't play tennis. And you know, a back is bad, yes, if it seizes up all the things. You know, if you pulled a handstring, he can't run. Oh, I get it. But if you can't hit the ball, then you can't play tennis. And he has been dealing with sort of arm issues on and off his whole entire career. One thing that I do somebody brought this up on the socials to me, is that playing a lot of golf. And then also I don't know if that's causing him, because you know, if you play golf and you play it well, you're taking divots, you really you are using your wrist on the golf shot a lot. I don't know if that's got anything to do with that. A doctor can answer that more than I could. But also he changed his service motion this year where he is starting with that little wristband a little different. I think about Novak had his issues with his elbow, and I have to say I do not like that start of that serve. As great as a server as Novak is, that little hitch that he does at the start, and then he bends it back again. I just I don't know if that's causing any problems with the wrist. Could be bimechanically, I don't know. It could be he just has a problem in that area of his body that's just weak. I don't know, So I'm speculating in all of this, doctor Stubbs, but I just it just doesn't make sense that a guy of his age is continually having problems with this area of his body. And it is bad if he doesn't get this like organized. It's not good for his career because the wrist is the fucking worst and if he hurts, and just look at one, well one del Potro, I mean, look at his career. It just went down the toilet after all these wrist injuries. So he's got to be real. Carlos has to be really really careful with this injury.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one. Martin del Potro is the obvious example of what can go very wrong, very fast, forever, certainly, And it does seem like by preemptively withdrawing from preemptively withdrawing from Roland Garros, which obviously is a state of great success and really good for his game. It seems like he's taking this very very seriously and thinking the same way right, which is that if you want to have a long career, you cannot afford to not treat this sort of thing really seriously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I saw him at the Loris Awards and he got his Athlete of the Year are very deserved, but I saw the wrist had the guard on it, and I was like, that's bad. You know, it's one thing to sort of not have a guard on. So the guard is obviously stopping him from moving his wrist totally. It's stopping him from using the tendons, all of the things that you don't want to see. And so I am very concerned about this injury very And the reason I say that as I have complete OJEDAT like I have complete PTSD when anyone has a wrist injury, and I always tell people, and I've had this conversation with a lot of players through the years, I'm like, take an extra week, do not play on this until it's one hundred percent, because if you snap attendant or you do something to that area that is just like one Martin, it's bad. So you know, fingers crossed. I'm really really hoping that this is something that's not overly serious and they're just being very precautionary, but it is a major concern for Carlos Agrez, and you know it was I thought it was a bit of a shit question on the court when they brought that up to Yanick and they were like, oh so, I don't know if you heard, but Yannick pulled out of the French I'm like, dude, don't bring that up. That's just not a that's a question for in house, not on the court question. I just thought, but yeah, it's difficult, but Janick Sinner went well and truly to the favorite to win the French Open after that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do want to just note really quickly, like we brought up oh well, I brought up Arthur Feast earlier, and not only do I think he's peaking at the red time and obviously he's looking great on a surface that he's obviously very comfortable on. But don't forget that guy had a back injury for about a year. So maybe in some cases shutting it down taking a lot of time really rehabbing it can give you totally fresh legs. You know, Andrea Pekovich had a fantastic column about injuries and the way that we, you know, can get our minds around them, and how sometimes the players can you know, obviously be completely shut down or in sometimes cases they can be the sort of beginnings of a renewal. So maybe, you know, certainly we have to hope as tennis fans that it's the latter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the one thing that he will maintain is his fitness, because that's the one thing you can still do with the wrist injuries that you can do all the training, but you know, upper body stuff it's not that easy. So he's going to have to His legs will be strong, but his legs are always strong. It's just whether or not he can sustain, you know, hitting a lot of balls, and that's that's a major problem. And also going on grass not so easy. It's kind of like the worst surface to play on when a bit of a dodgy wrist like you get to take a bad bounce and boom so hard caught a lot more predictable with the bounces you get the same spin coming at you, whereas on grass it can take one or two little dodgy low bounces or I mean it's a little bit different. The grass is slightly different to what it was twenty years ago, but it bounces like a hard court now.

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Speaker 2: But still anyway, I really think about grass, No, I mean the last thing. I'll say it because you mentioned it a lot of times. Those Slazenger balls are harder the worst and the moisture the balls can pick up from the moisture of the grass means the balls are heavy.

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Speaker 1: Well you are, Corre.

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Speaker 2: After I've been hitting on grass, my body feels great because it's really low impact on your you know, your joints and your knees in your back, but it's actually quite hard work on your shoulder and your arm because of how heavy the ball is. So yeah, not maybe not the worst idea to skip natural surface this season and then just come back strong to defend this open.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll see, I will see. But like I said, I mean, hopefully he takes the week more weeks than he maybe wants to. But yes, you are correct, and really that's a great point, Caitlin about the balls because they are notoriously heavier at on the grass. The slaz on your ball gets a little bit you know, bigger and tends to take the moisture of the grass all of that. So, yeah, that's you make a great point. They're well done and well done, care well done, you did.

00:21:07
Speaker 2: You, honey. We talked about that thank you as pretty usual. Should we chalk about the women.

00:21:10
Speaker 1: Yes we should. I want to start out by saying, I am so excited to see Carolina Pushkova winning matches. Can I just say, obviously, somebody I coach, somebody remained friends with even after we stopped working together. You know, I blame her on that, but I'm just kidding. She she has had a great tournament. The comeback win against Mertons the other day, down four to one on Serve Love forty to go down five to one, matches over and she plays a typical Carolina game where she's kind of looks like she doesn't give a shit. She's a nace here, big fourhand there. But she got through that match and hitting the ball great. Watched her today in her win against Sierra. Expected her win that match, but still, you know this is this is the most amount of to back matches she's played in a long long time. I spoke to her after the match and she said, the body's holding up. She's still alive, and so I'm super proud of her. She's into the quarterfinals of a WTA one thousand, and I did give her a goal between the two of us. I expect her to be top fifty by Wimbledon because she's that good. And so let's just all come together as a group of listeners and hope that Carolina Plushkova and Carolina Mouhova, the two Czech players, stay injury free this year. Mouhova obviously is having an amazing year, but just for me, it's great to see Carolina back playing, playing really well and hasn't an opportunity. If Rubakina wins her match, that will be the matchup. That'll be a big tail for her.

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Speaker 2: I also at elevation Pushkova and on grass pushcover is real dangerous. I mean, don't forget you. Of all people would never forget that for a time. Her moniker on tour was the East Queen was yeah, you just absolutely can cut anybody down to size that massive syrup.

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Speaker 1: And she plays well on clay. I mean she made she won Rome a couple of years ago. She's this is a good court for her because it's a little bit of altitude, so the serve really flies in Madrid and big hitters tend to play well, which is why Rafael Nadal didn't win Madrid that many times because it was more suited to Roger or you know, Novak or something like that. So so yeah, I'm super happy for her, but she's going to run into the buzz saw that ear is Barkina if Rebarkina wins her match. But the Rabeckina has really been struggling and winning some big matches. And your friend Q back on play when Gwen.

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Speaker 2: Ah Man, I mean she went down in three two Rabackna, But I'm delighted. I couldn't be more delated.

00:23:46
Speaker 1: She's an outsider to win the French MA.

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Speaker 2: She's won the Olympic gold on that court, and she likes clay. She trains in Spain, not unlike an Lee, as you mentioned, she lives in Barcelona. And you know again, the way that she can play on the surface is super exciting. Yeah right, Rabakken is gonna on all the clay have the most success in Madrid. After this, It's hard to imagine her making a big run at Rome. Oh I disagree, She's been playing I still fast.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Lena Rebakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually win on any surface because if she's serving well, good luck because you've got a breaker and she's a great returner. She's moving pretty well, she's hitting the forehand consistently well, and those are her weaknesses, the forehand. So for me, look out because I think the only thing that's going to stop her is even maybe an injury or somebody else because she's playing that well. But it'll be a good test obviously, you see. And then she's my favorite to win at Wimbledon by far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:24:49
Speaker 1: I mean taberlink has not even made the final there, so until she does that, you can't call her the favorite there.

00:24:55
Speaker 2: I just watched a fantastic sable link and named soccer maps this morning. Did you see any of that?

00:25:00
Speaker 1: Yes, I saw a bit of it. I didn't see the first because I don't get up as early as you.

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Speaker 2: It was the first thing I turned on this morning. It was a great match. Namiosaka looks fit. I like her fits. I think she's been really really putting in time. How about this sky she's sliding, Well, I'm into it. Bobska scarf. Sure, why not. I'm kind of over sublink as like mob wife aesthetic anyway, So for me, yeah, let's get into some you know, jellyfish and Bobushka's why not?

00:25:25
Speaker 1: I like ells mob wife. Explain that to me? What do you want?

00:25:28
Speaker 2: Do you not know what a mob wife looks like?

00:25:32
Speaker 1: Well, what with the gold chains and stuff.

00:25:35
Speaker 2: The furs and the fillers and the whole thing. Listen, yolo. But I'm just saying for me personally, it's less of a you know, exciting proposition.

00:25:44
Speaker 1: So you like lessons more, but you don't mind the Bobushka.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the babushka feels weird enough to work. I don't know, it feels very Pucci Emiliana Pucci is actually I have to say, shiffer on hard Coot noted.

00:25:56
Speaker 1: I think the reason you say that is because I could see you doing that on the Tenni Squad, because I sure I actually feel like you've done that before on the Kenness Co.

00:26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's highly passable, but I'm really excited. Numasaka is looking good and she was sliding.

00:26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's she practices it, she tries her best to do it.

00:26:14
Speaker 2: She looked like she was, and she could do flating this morning it was unlike another name I had ever seen. And listen, she came within a whisker, you know, a whisker, and suddenly could played great. But also I don't think she has what it takes to get past Rebuccina, given how good Rebecca is playing right now.

00:26:33
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot of gauntlet's being thrown down, but I take a lot of you know who I'm excited about, and you know, I leave baptisted a couple of yes, a couple of years ago, someone asked me, you know who would you like to coach? I loved well, first of all, I loved coaching in general, but Hailey Baptiste. I was like, please let me coach her. She has so much raw talent. She just didn't know what the hell she was doing on the court. She had no direction all the things. So clearly she's finally getting that together. And this is a kid that can play tennis. I mean, she has the athleticism, she has all the games, she can come into the now, she has variety, all the things, and that win today was a statement against benchit, particularly when she lost the second set sixteen fourteen in the tiebreak, and then manages to control herself and let that go after all the opportunities to win the match in the second set, and then comes back and ends up winning this match six' three in the. THIRD i, mean IF i had drums or like a, PRECUTIONARY i would be, Like Hayley, baptiste what a statement win that? Was that was really, impressive really. Impressive she has all the.

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Speaker 2: TOOLS i mean to, me it's a matter of putting them together and not getting out out emotionally kissaying in. IT i, mean remember once she had a couple of set points Against sabolenca AND i think she ended up losing in two tie. Breaks earlier in the year she was she felt, like oh, YEAH i got her. Number she belongs to, me like next TIME i got her which, LOOK i pla de chutzpa you certainly need to, believe but anybody watching that match would have seen her fundamentally collapse and double fault a, bunch despite you, know losing only two breaks of. Serve it wasn't close in those, moments AND i think that's Where Haley baptists can really, improve because you, know she's.

00:28:27
Speaker 1: Got all the.

00:28:28
Speaker 2: TOOLS i would love to see A Haley baptiste sounds maybe With Renee tubsitter, said come, On, Haley.

00:28:33
Speaker 1: Oh, NO i mean her coaching department is doing really well, already so they don't need to add me to. That but if there was ever an opportunity to work with somebody like, that it WOULD i would not say. No she is fabulous And i've always thought. This i've had conversations with her years ago in the past and tried to tell her how good she. Is and you, know it's just really nice to. SEE i mean this is she's won a lot of matches over the last few, months and to believe someone Like belinda bencicch after so AS i, said losing that second, set which would have been very heartbreaking for her and emotionally, draining to come back and actually win it a great. Effort so super happy For, haley and keep it, GOING i, mean keep you. Going she can win on every. Surface And Layla fernandez is rolling. Through she Beat Anne lee in Straight set's nice to See layla just such a, great terrific tennis player and such a great. Personality so that's. NICE i want to add one thing before we get. Off the women In, madrid THE wtf with The Sarah arani And Jazmina paulini service? Situation AND i don't know if you saw this on you have.

00:29:33
Speaker 2: To explain it in a way that people listening to this without a visual reference are going to get so.

00:29:38
Speaker 1: Bonkers let's just Say i've seen it. Before i'll say THAT i don't. KNOW i can't remember the actual scoreline at the, time but let's just say it's the first point of the match And Sarah arani is, Serving, okay not the data whatever, happened because she's never going to serve first in any, match but just out of. Curiosity so she's serving, first and Jas Min palalini is standing basically to her, Right, Okay so she's standing on the the same side of the. Court So saraharroni is serving like she's playing singles right in the, middle and jas mcpalini is to her, right so the entire line down the left side is, open, Okay and she hits the serve and then starts running over, there but they're both on the. Baseline i'm just, LIKE i, Know Sarah ronnie has arguably the worst serve in the history of women's. Tennis she'll be the first to admit that that's christ it. Is it is the worst serve in the history of women's. Tennis, Okay and she would, SAY i agree with. You and if she, DIDN'T i would, say have you watched? Tennis? OKAY i Mean Elena dementieva bit, shocker but hers was About Lindsay davenport will tell you that was one of the. Worst AND i know BECAUSE i played against. That it was such a nightmass serve because it was a, slider so it stayed under the. Net you had to get under it and you had to do something with. It and also and Then demitieva would hit the living shit out of the next. Ball so if you didn't a a good, return you're in. Trouble let me tell you Against, Dementieva Sarah roani has a kick. Serve it just sits. There it's like it's like the perfect approach shot for anyone to hit a winner on, right she has the worst serve in the history of women's. Tennis But lord have. Mercy when they're both standing on the, BASELINE i just, think how the how do they win so Many Grand slams playing like? This, well you know WHAT i would do on that return and. LISTEN i can say this BECAUSE i played Against cerera one a million times in, doubles AND i did like playing against. HER i would just hit a drop. SHOT i would hit a drop shot off every single or one of her. Serfs i'm just gonna hit a drop. Shot make them both run. In we're clearly neither of them want to be at that moment in, time and then just hit a lob or just hit a winner or. Whatever, YEAH i mean it's.

00:31:40
Speaker 2: Bonkers the fact that their combined hate is under eleven. Feet, yeah does scream tactical opportunity to a player who's paying. ATTENTION i JUST i didn't even know you could do, That, LIKE i don't even.

00:31:56
Speaker 1: KNOW i didn't know you could do. That, WELL i guess you can because you play Iphe nation for.

00:32:00
Speaker 2: Example, yeah but you're crossing the boundary when you're playing. Ifirmation, well, no sometimes you can your foot as in the other's. Box, Yeah i've never Seen i've never seen, that but it's also seen two players. Back i've Seen australian, affirmation which are variety of the. Same, Never i've never seen that.

00:32:17
Speaker 1: Before what should we call? IT i should give it a, name call it, ugly The, jazzolino the.

00:32:25
Speaker 2: JASMINE i don't think the dignifying.

00:32:28
Speaker 1: THAT i don't, know it's just it was. Horrendous, ANYWAY i want to get off that subject because it's right take a break about.

00:32:34
Speaker 2: That, Anyway let's take a, break allow you to emotionally, recover and the. Rank you come back and talk about a few other things, today including reader.

00:32:41
Speaker 3: Questions so stay. Tanned, okay we're.

00:33:05
Speaker 1: Back, Okay, CAITLIN i know you want to get a Lit can we just talk a little bit about what happened with The arkansas tennis program being shafted and gotten rid Of just give me your quick thoughts about, this because we talked about this after What patrick McEnroe's brought up in his socials and on his podcast as. Well AND i just like talking to you about this because you're so, well first of, all you played college, tennis and second of, all you're so smart with this sort of, Stuff like what do you think about? That them just saying, well you know, what it's essentially it's exactly what you were talking. About it's, like, well what is? It are we making money from sports or are we giving opportunities on top of the fact that a lot of those players on The arkansas team were also Not, american so it's a bit of a.

00:33:45
Speaker 2: Quandary, yeah, listen when we published our piece about the Disappearing american college tennis, player which Predated patrick McEnroe going on a, rant but the timing was totally random to.

00:33:57
Speaker 1: ME i just, thought you just Want patrick mcarhoe to know, that don't.

00:33:59
Speaker 2: You, well, well, listen maybe he read it and everyone got riled. Up i'm thrilled and not surprised to be setting the agenda with what we publish it racket only because this obviously is in the ether and people are thinking about. It when this Gentleman Mikhail anderson wrote me maybe six months ago and was, like, HEY i really want to do a deep, DIVE i, thought, ah this is. Interesting nobody's talking about. This, sure let's see what. Happens we published it and McEnroe ends up at A sec tournament watching mostly foreign teams compete against each other under the banner of state, universities and then it becomes a. Topic so you, know, look, look tennis is never short of things to think about and. Analyze, Now patrick mcinner who's got on a News. MAX i probably would have said no to that, one but also had some quotes AND, I i, mean, listen you're trying to get your point. OUT i guess you'd say yes to all media, invitations BUT i personally would be a little more discriminating about WHERE i. Appeared that, SAID.

00:34:50
Speaker 1: I guess they're desperate cough for any content on News.

00:34:54
Speaker 2: Max, well they certainly don't want to talk about what's going.

00:34:56
Speaker 1: On they certainly don't want to talk about what's actually happening in the. Country.

00:35:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah with the guy that they, Love, yeah the guy they, love and all three branches of government going. Great guys keep going.

00:35:05
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yeah, oh let's not Get caitlin started on.

00:35:08
Speaker 2: That she don't get me.

00:35:09
Speaker 1: Started deliberately doesn't talk to me about politics BECAUSE i talk about politics all the, time and she's, LIKE i don't want to talk about. POLITICS I. Ptsd it's like me talking about women's DOUBLES.

00:35:18
Speaker 2: Ptsd we have to limit it so that it doesn't turn into a ramp, session which same.

00:35:23
Speaker 1: We will turn. Into i've had a podcast With Jen. Wells.

00:35:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, see there's proper formats and channels for this sort of. Discussion so, yeah wrapping it up on THE ncaa front after this is published after pack and kind of makes a big point about, it seemingly also Randomly, arkansas which is in THE, SEC a TEAM i competed against WHEN i played college tennis Pre missoo joining THE, SEC i should, note announces it's not only killing it's men's, team but also it's women's. Team and somebody put point out out that almost neither team has a Single. AMERICAN i think there's one on the men's, team women's not. Anymore now, LISTEN i don't want to be a. NATIVIST i am not a. Xenophobe, AGAIN i was not born in this, country and neither were. YOU i do think it is worth pointing out because a lot of the chatter that accompanies these pieces is, about of, course it should be a training ground For american tennis and for people to go, pro and how Could americans get good reps if they are not facing off against really good? Players and AGAIN i would, argue let's reframe the. Conversation what is college sports? About should also colleges be cutting their music? Programs should they cut their arts? Programs do we want people who only go to school and study one? Thing is that the kind of society we want to live. In, AGAIN i realized that this is maybe too elevated a conversation to have when people just want to get angry about seeing a bunch of names with foreign sounding last names when they go to watch their. Tennis. Maybe but one of the points THAT i want to bring up here THAT i saw that it was actually very tangible is In Mikhael anderson's piece for. Us he noted that when teams have mostly foreign, rosters however great these kids, are however awesome they. Are, AGAIN i played on a team mostly foreign. Students some were incredible and some were. Not they were, people, Right but it is very hard for the teams to engender local fans and to get donors to. Donate and that is truly the way a lot of these sports teams because they have, foreigners, yes, Okay and if the foreign kids are not able to stay and maybe they don't want to stay and become members of the, community then it becomes a situation where this is a very transient. Experience you don't follow your favorite player for four years and then they. Leave but rather if they stay and become part of the community and maybe turn around and. Coach it's a different. VIBE a lot of college sports has to do with, boosters, donors people who are fans in the local community college. Sports for what the Point i'm making, is it is not for. MONEY i realize that THE ncaa says that but doesn't mean, it But i'm taking it at face value and suggesting that in a world where college sports wasn't for, money it wasn't for preparing people for the, pros it was about creating well rounded, individuals because that is what they say it, is then we should be thinking about it completely. Differently and maybe this conversation has started to engender, that but it's a little too late for The arkansas team.

00:38:01
Speaker 1: Sadly, yeah, LISTEN i really do believe. That, yeah you don't want to be a, gatekeeper like you, Said but at the same, TIME i do believe That american colleges should have a cap on how many foreigners can be allowed on the. TEAM i, mean that just makes sense to. Me and if you have a player that's not maybe as good as the player you're bringing in from The Czech republic or From germany or, whatever then that's too. Bad you are the same as everybody else in every other, country every other. College SO i think the one way to say BUT i THINK i think it's a bummer that they're getting rid of the tennis program At. ARKANSAS i think that's really. Shit but at the same, TIME i think that, we THE usta in particular and THE ncaa need to get together and, say, look let's try and promote it because it is such a good system to go and become a pro tennis. Player there's been great tennis players that have come out of college, tennis including my doubles Partner Lisa, raymond one of the best best singles and doubles players to ever come out of college without without a, doubt went To florida for two, years dominated there and then went onto the. Tour Daniel, collins you, Know john. McEnroe there's been a lot of great players that have gone through. College john is NOT i, mean the list Is Ben. Shelton, YEAH i mean the list is. Long go look it.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: Up here's something else THAT i think would be helpful as a as a next, step regardless of whether you want to watch players about to be pro or just your local community, college, who by the, way is still better than almost anyone you've ever seen. Live unless you watch a lot of pro, tennis go support and watch your local. Tennis everyone's, like, oh it's too expensive to get in THE Us. Open i'm going to roam next week's brother alert anybody who's going to be. There, yeah the tickets are insanely. Expensive you know where you can watch tennis for. Free that's, awesome and get excited about. It and buy a local college. School your local college.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Are, good so, okay so promote it, more get people there, more get the donuts to give, more and get Them americans to be playing in college and that would. Help THEN i can see THEN i would get upset at them taking away from tennis, players because Then i'd be, like, well they're taking away from a local kid In arkansas that maybe wants to go To arkansas and play. Tennis so and to be.

00:40:13
Speaker 2: Clear arkansas has one of those. Types one of the kids is From Little. Rock WHEN i used to play against The university Of, texas every player was From texas save maybe one or two who's like From. Miami they kicked her. Ass it was an All american. Team half the team tried to go pro and some. Succeeded in lower, levels so like it's. Possible and if you live In, austin free incredible, tennis watching the pros and tomorrow Like Peyton. Stearns no.

00:40:36
Speaker 1: Brainer and would you say that THE usta doesn't really promote their juniors going to college?

00:40:42
Speaker 2: Enough oh, MAN i don't know that they are coordinated with THE ncaa at, All AND i don't know who to blame for, that BUT i actually kind of want to let the ustre off the hook a little bit because from WHAT i know about THE, ncaa THE usta makes them look LIKE. Fifa does that make, sense like it's talk about mob. Wives, yeah it, is you know the coast over there at THE. NCAA i don't think it's very.

00:41:07
Speaker 3: Good all?

00:41:08
Speaker 2: Right CAN i talk about one more thing before we get to reader.

00:41:10
Speaker 1: Questions, Yep.

00:41:13
Speaker 2: Ladies and, gentlemen have gotten an advanced screener from our friends At netflix to see This rafa. Series oh, Special i'm very special WHEN i tell you that it is. Incredible you've maybe seen the. Trailer maybe it made you, cry maybe because he Himself rafa is. Crying this thing is. Remarkable it is a remarkable.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: Work holy. SHIT i mean that's the first TIME i Think i've ever heard you say anything like that along a tennis.

00:41:38
Speaker 2: Stock they're all garbage because they are either executive produced by the athletes themselves or their agents who have absolutely no incentive to make them interesting or good or. Human and this could not be more, different largely because you did it all In spanish with a good smattering Of catalan slash mayor. QUENE a guy who is a nominal director who speaks very Good spanish Named Zach, heiserling and that.

00:42:05
Speaker 1: Does not sound like A spanish, name.

00:42:06
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like A spanish, name is not A, Raphael. Heismerdling he's An american dude who's done a phenomenal. Job i'll be talking about it a lot. More it doesn't come out for another. Month but WHEN i tell you, that it has made me Miss Rafa nadal and so excited to see him at The Mutua Madrid open playing tennis With, raffaette which is what they Call Rauffa. Jr oh my, GOD i.

00:42:26
Speaker 1: Know it's so. Cute, listen just tell. Me is The Australian open comeback Against medvedev in there some? Way?

00:42:33
Speaker 2: Yes and the fact it is looked upon it as a turning. Point it covers it is four episodes each are about an hour.

00:42:39
Speaker 1: Long this Is it covers so, excited.

00:42:41
Speaker 2: Big moments in the. Tour AND i don't think it's a spoiler to say that they got his biggest rivals who you can guess who they, are to sit for interviews and.

00:42:52
Speaker 1: Talk oh my, God i'm so. Excited let me tell you.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: All The big three is in this. Thing it is.

00:42:58
Speaker 1: PHENOMENAL i talk about the come back Against medvedev WHEN i describe what a truly great competitor is about and Why Raffael nadal was truly one of the, greatest if not the greatest Competitor i've ever. Seen down two sets to love two, Three love forty on his, serve looked like he was going to. DIE i mean, everyone, everyone including, myself who never thought That ruffa was done in a, match thought put a fork in. It he's. Done and he wins that point at love forty and he, says, vamos go back and watch it at The austrain open when he wins it and he says, Vamos And i'm, like isn't he? Cute he's. Dying he's down two sets of. Love he's two, two three. Down medvedev's playing off his. Face he won THE Us. Open he wins one point and he's, like it's like he's going to win the. Tournament i'm, like he's so. Cute well fucking, hell you know what. Happened when's the, game when's the, set win's the, match loses the, game serving for the, tournament turns around and thinks to, Himself oh, No i'm going to lose Another australia and open up a break in the. Fifth i've talked about this story many, times And i'm, like holy, cow no, no he, Says, OKAY i lose the, game BUT i not, quit and he doesn't, quit and then He medvedev plays the worst match of the game of his life at five, doll loses the, game and Then ruffa serves it. Out it's truly one of The it is epitome of what Made Ruffil nadal the greatest fighter possibly in. TENNIS i, mean you could argue That novaka is right there, too but, yeah this Is oh my, God i'm so. EXCITED i can't believe you told me about.

00:44:23
Speaker 2: That it's going to Be it's gonna bounce. Repairs we'll have last one to day about it Great.

00:44:37
Speaker 1: Now in the questions as you would have looked at, them is there anyone talking about The Altmeyer? Humbert is there a question on? That because if there, Is i'm going to answer it, now and if there, Isn't i'm going to answer it. Anyway if anyone saw, that it was the worst umpiring Situation i've ever. Seen now it's only Because, UMBERT i, swear because He's. French let this. Go But altman is on his on the ground down two four in the tie. Break he's screaming in. Pain he is like somebody has shot. Him and, now if anyone has ever had a, cramp that's what it feels. Like it feels like somebody has shot. You, okay And i'm NOT i have not been, shot BUT i have had a, cramp and so it's really. Painful, Anyway so he's on the ground and he's, like he's, Screaming, caitline he's in so much. Pain he can't, move he can't sit. Up thirty seconds is, gone he's supposed to have changed down the other. End umbert is standing next to him on that side of the court like, Bruh i'm ready to serve like what the, fuck like get h, man come on like a la la la no. No then the umpire gets out of the. Chair the physio is on the, court they're looking at. Him they can't treat. Him he's having a. Cramp, Okay, now a lot of people, said, Well Carlos santekraz was out on a cramp at this strain open and he's not. Treatment but there's like a lot but also you're not sure this was a. Cramp he was screaming like he was, crampy And umbre's, like, Okay i'm just gonna stand here for another thirty, minute thirty, Seconds another minute goes, by still, screaming can't get up umpires down, there trainer's, there no one's touching.

00:46:11
Speaker 3: Him.

00:46:12
Speaker 1: Nuts takes an hour to get down the other end of the court, again still scream down. There i'm, like this should have been forty eight warnings by this. Point time violation if you. Can it sounds terrible AND i was, like, Oh, rea be you not being very. Nice it's the fucking. Rule it's, like so any player can be like after their, time has a precedent been sat now that you can scream and yell like you're having a cramp for three, Minutes well you have to play the next? Point what's the? Rule all the commentators are, like how is he not getting a? Warning how is he not defaulting this second? Set and, then not only, that poor Old, umbert who's been nice because they're probably friends because They're, french he gets up five to two in the tiebreak and you're, like, okay this is, Over like he's not even gonna be able to finish this, match proceeds to choke so bad upman is hitting underhand. Serves when's five points in a? Row when's the? Tiebreak seventy?

00:47:03
Speaker 3: Five?

00:47:04
Speaker 2: Brutal it was.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: EMBARRASSING i was, like oh my, god Like umbert bro it was so. Bad he. Choked he was not happy when he shook hands because he knows that he let his opponent get away with, that because he is if anyone else would have been standing next to the umpire going bro tempo, LIKE i don't know how you say it In, french but it was, like what the? Fuck it was such a Bad it was such bad. Umpire it tests is how you say? It thank, You that's what he should have been. Yelling good.

00:47:31
Speaker 2: News michelle did ask about that, question so Thank. Michelle, michelle AND i think you know HOW i. Feel earlier asked About paulini And irani's doubles, position so we got that. Covered, okay a couple More stephen De, lan maybe that's not how you pronounce your, name But i'm going to go with The jacques De Laon french pronunciation in honor Of Ugo. Umbert AND i, mean Is yannick playing too much and risking peaking burnout injury before the Upcoming? SLAMS i don't think. So but you're the ex what do you?

00:48:00
Speaker 1: Think absolutely. Not if you feel you are playing really, well your body's, good you're mentally. Good it's a lot more about mental to be honest with these, players it's like really mentally hard to keep backing it up every, day every, day every. Day so for, ME i think the bottom line is as long as he's surrounded by a great coaching, team he himself has been through this many many. Times he knows exactly what he's, doing and he may pull out of a tournament if he feels, like, Oh i've got enough tennis under my. Belt BUT i will say, this and we talked about a little bit at the. Start the more you play on, clay the better you get on. It and he is primed right now for The.

00:48:37
Speaker 2: French, yeah a lot of questions about, INJURIES a, lot a lot that seemed to BE i, mean it's really indicative of how Much Carlos algoriz obviously has a fan. Chip YOU tjhd has a question About Jack. Draper his body is known to be, fragile but he's at the age supposedly two of a mature. Body why does he get injured because of his game. Style he works really hard to be strong and. Healthy what do you think right?

00:49:02
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, LISTEN i mean some players just are predisposed to get. Injuries it's just it's just innately in your body, type you, know just a quick. Evaluation there was Like Lisa raymond who played twenty years on, tour my old doubles, partner that bit never was. Injured it was like she had maybe two injuries her whole. Career she had an achilles problem one time and one time when we were Playing doublish he had and a cost into cost all in her like rib. Area but other than, that not a lot of. Injuries and she just it was just she was. Relaxed that's how she. Played Like Roger federer didn't have a lot of injuries until the knee took him. Down, Really so it's like there's some players like A rafa who's like struggles all the. Time it's the way they. Play AND i THINK i Think drapes is really uptied on the. COURT i don't think that, helps you, know look At Krolyne, mouhova she can't go three weeks without getting injured or something like. That fingers, crossed that's not. Happening there's just some players that just have a predisposition to get. Injuries and whether it's there up it's a little bit too, uptight whether it's the way they, PLAY i don't. Know it's hard to, describe but, yeah it's a shame that he's certainly struggling with his.

00:50:06
Speaker 2: Career And julie asked a very similar. Question have you noticed a pattern of injuries across? Gender some injuries that tend to occur more with male players and, females wrist, men et. Cetera you know with Del potro team And carlos you were just talking About Jack. Draper what do you think is the gender component of this if, Any.

00:50:25
Speaker 1: YEAH i THINK i think if you look at through the, YEARS i think guys struggle with their groins a lot. Too they're not as quite as flexible in their hit flexes and that sort of. Area so you will see guys with a little bit more tendency to have like, hamstring, quads groin sort of maybe. Problems but, look it's a it's across the. Board we've had, many many women tennis, players including, myself have wrist. Injuries Conchita, Martinez i'm looking at her Because i'm Watching andreeva right. Now she had a couple of, injuries you, know to her wrist and you, know. Shoulders sometimes Women Maria sharapova could, say tend to not be made as strong in the shoulder, area got to do a lot more sort of work on the back part of their. Shoulder there's not really one particular injury that sort of sets itself on women more than men or vice. Versa it's, just you, know, look we've all had back problems through the. Years everyone has knee. Issues look At. Rafa look at you, Know Steffi, graff she had foot. Problems rafa had foot PRI i, mean so you, know it's not really that obvious. Anymore it's just, look tennis is really really. Hard it's really physically very hard and different. Surfaces you, know you think about your, sliding so you're using the groin sort of, hamstring what area and even your feet are grabbing on the clay different and then you go on grass completely. Different so you, know to be able to handle, that you've got to have the right training and the right physical fitness trainer with.

00:51:47
Speaker 2: You one more, Question two more questions very. Quickly this is From Sasha. Oliver Did vicker retire and not tell?

00:51:54
Speaker 1: Anyone not THAT i know?

00:51:55
Speaker 2: Of, NO i was just THINKING i miss.

00:51:58
Speaker 1: Her your guess is as good as. Our she's not great on, clay so maybe she said fuck.

00:52:02
Speaker 2: It, yeah maybe she's doing A sars. COURT i mean her slams are on her courts, only so, yeah maybe she's saving it up for her. Court, okay two more, Eyelid Phil. Nowen should men play best of three at The? Slams would that help with health and night?

00:52:15
Speaker 1: Schedule? Yeah, YES i mean you know how we feel about. That, look, look there's a proponent of oh my, god but the five setters they're? Amazing is it the five setters or is it the fifth? Set that's WHAT i, SAY i say the last set.

00:52:29
Speaker 2: Anyway, lastly a bit of an odd ball question From gams Ten All England. Club what rights do you? Have do they ask your opinions when it comes to big? Decisions and could you nominate a friend for membership or get them in? SOMEHOW i Wish, SHAMS i like your, Agenda, JENNY i.

00:52:45
Speaker 1: WISH i am not that person doubles winners even though they've won it multiple. TIMES i. E me do not get a membership A. Wimbledon you have to win the singles unless you've won it multiple multiple multiple, times Like Todd woodbridge who won it nine. TIMES i believe he's a, member as Is Mirk, woodford AND i Think jonas B YORKMAN i think he won. Five SO i think if you win a real ton of doubles maybe you have a chance to get in. There BUT i can't help you out, there. Mate. SORRY i am a last date club, member SO i can always get in on the. Grounds but that's that's about it for. Us, Sorry.

00:53:14
Speaker 2: James sounds like you know who you need to hit up the next time you're In Southwest. London All, RIGHT i get a, Jump. Renee here's to another week of glorious clik. ORTENAS i look forward to joining you in a week's time to discuss who wins this.

00:53:27
Speaker 1: Thing, yes and for all the people that didn't get their questions, ANSWERED i will answer them myself on the old, Socials so don't get. Upset we. Do thank you for sending in your. Questions. Michelle i'll write you, back And i'll write you back all the ones that didn't get a chance to get. Answered But, kitlyn's you, know busy, girl she's got a meeting to a chap.

00:53:45
Speaker 3: Chap.

00:53:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sorry. Renee hey, guys thanks for joining us. TODAY i look forward to next week and this tournament will be over, finally and then we'll get into the place That kitlyn is about to go. To okay, chow everybody b