The Being in the Tree: Virginia Encounter That Changed Everything | The Night the Woods Went Silent

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, Welcome to Sasquatch Theory. Today's episode takes us
<v Speaker 1>deep into the shadowed hills of Virginia, where a simple
<v Speaker 1>weekend visit between a son and his parents turn into
<v Speaker 1>a series of encounters that would haunt a family for years.
<v Speaker 1>Anthony and his father were close hunting partners, outdoorsmen, and
<v Speaker 1>the kind of men who knew every sound their land made.
<v Speaker 1>But one particular weekend, everything changed. A warning came across
<v Speaker 1>the phone. A fugitive was on the run in the area.
<v Speaker 1>The family locked their doors, but what came to their
<v Speaker 1>home wasn't a man at all. If you enjoy listening
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<v Speaker 1>with all that being said, let's dive straight into Anthony's
<v Speaker 1>terrifying encounters from the state of Virginia. Anthony, Welcome to
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch Theory. How are you doing today.
<v Speaker 3>I'm good man, good to be here. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.
<v Speaker 1>If you would tell me a little bit about yourself,
<v Speaker 1>where you're from, and your bigfoot encounters and experiences from
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning.
<v Speaker 3>Please all right, my name's Anthony, originally from my parents
<v Speaker 3>retired and moved down moved down to World, Virginia. About
<v Speaker 3>a good estimate is about fifty miles west of Richmond, Virginia,
<v Speaker 3>if you would have put it like, you know, put
<v Speaker 3>it on a map, and uh yeah. I followed my
<v Speaker 3>family down here in about two thousand and eight. And
<v Speaker 3>we've always been outdoorsy as a family. I've always me
<v Speaker 3>and my dad have a have always been hunting and
<v Speaker 3>target shooting and rifles and competing in archery, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And it was a it was my dad's dream house. Basically,
<v Speaker 3>he built down here and during the time when everything
<v Speaker 3>when this all happened. I had started my own trucking company,
<v Speaker 3>so I was about three months into my owner operation,
<v Speaker 3>her flatbed, running my flatbed, and a lot was going on.
<v Speaker 3>So some of what I'm gonna some of what I'm
<v Speaker 3>going to bring up, you know, may or may not
<v Speaker 3>have to do with my mom being sick and my
<v Speaker 3>dad's struggling with an illness with his dementia. My dad
<v Speaker 3>was a retired he was a retired police officer for
<v Speaker 3>New Jersey, so we don't know how he got sick.
<v Speaker 3>But my mother was fighting lung cancer and she's for
<v Speaker 3>her age, she's fairly she was fairly young at this
<v Speaker 3>point in time. And I was on the road all
<v Speaker 3>week and I'd usually come home on the weekends. And uh,
<v Speaker 3>I was dating my wife at the time, so I
<v Speaker 3>would stay with my parents on the weekends. And uh
<v Speaker 3>in this house, and it's a beautiful home. It was,
<v Speaker 3>like I said, it was my dad's dream home. And
<v Speaker 3>he had about nine acres, but it back to like
<v Speaker 3>just infinite woods. So we had our all our our
<v Speaker 3>bow stands I had till this day. I think there's
<v Speaker 3>those bow stands are probably still there. There was like
<v Speaker 3>four climbers, four climbers, uh and like maybe like three
<v Speaker 3>ladder stands that we had on the small, even though
<v Speaker 3>small piece of property, like all the all the woods
<v Speaker 3>around it, like nobody nobody hunted, and there was a
<v Speaker 3>a lease for a bunch of guys that would hunt.
<v Speaker 3>They would run dogs, So a lot of times they
<v Speaker 3>would run dogs and they'd push they'd push deer like
<v Speaker 3>right to us. So it kind of worked out pretty good.
<v Speaker 3>But uh So August twenty eighth, twenty twenty one, uh
<v Speaker 3>about midnight, the phone rings, and uh I answered the phone,
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know word for word, but it sounded
<v Speaker 3>like a recording, and what with the recording basically said
<v Speaker 3>was we believe that there's dangerous fugitive in your area
<v Speaker 3>and to lock your doors something to that effect. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if they said fugitive or they said dangerous
<v Speaker 3>suspect or something like that, but I thought it was
<v Speaker 3>really odd. So as I was on the phone listening
<v Speaker 3>to this recording and the recording cut out, my father
<v Speaker 3>came into the room from his bedroom and like I said,
<v Speaker 3>he was in the early stages of dementia, and he
<v Speaker 3>was like, you know, kind of like what's going on?
<v Speaker 3>Why is the phone ringing so late, you know, he's retired.
<v Speaker 3>And and my mom, she was sleeping on the couch
<v Speaker 3>because she had an oxygen machine at the time, and
<v Speaker 3>they're asking me what's going on, and I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>they said there's They said there's a dangerous fugitive or
<v Speaker 3>suspect in the area, and uh, you know to lock
<v Speaker 3>all your doors and you know, to beyond beyond alert,
<v Speaker 3>I guess, So so I went. I went to the
<v Speaker 3>downstairs of the property and I checked all the locks,
<v Speaker 3>and I made sure. We have two double doors that
<v Speaker 3>opened to the pool area underneath the deck and they're
<v Speaker 3>like French doors. So I went and there's They're very open.
<v Speaker 3>You could see inside really easily. So I was like, okay,
<v Speaker 3>you know, if there is really something going on, like,
<v Speaker 3>I want to make sure those doors are locked. So
<v Speaker 3>I went downstairs to check those likes I didn't even
<v Speaker 3>turn the lights on. And sorry, I'm getting nervous already
<v Speaker 3>just thinking about this. This has been four years and
<v Speaker 3>I still struggle with it. I went back upstairs and
<v Speaker 3>I went to go. I was walking towards the light
<v Speaker 3>switch to flip on the light switch to the deck
<v Speaker 3>to the upstairs deck. Now, the deck was about twelve
<v Speaker 3>to fourteen feet above above grade. It was a giant ranch,
<v Speaker 3>but a full basement with twelve foot ceilings, so the
<v Speaker 3>deck on the back of the house was pretty high
<v Speaker 3>off the ground. And as I was walking to flip
<v Speaker 3>the light switch on, I felt And the only way
<v Speaker 3>I can describe this is I've had little kids in
<v Speaker 3>the house and my nephews when they would run on
<v Speaker 3>the grip. When they would run, you could feel the
<v Speaker 3>ground kind of not shake or move, but you could
<v Speaker 3>feel their footsteps kind of move on the ground. And
<v Speaker 3>that's what I felt. But it was a lot it
<v Speaker 3>was a lot larger of a vibration. And as I
<v Speaker 3>was reaching for the light, I flipped the light on
<v Speaker 3>that lights up the back deck, and I see what
<v Speaker 3>I thought was a guy in like Carhart overalls just
<v Speaker 3>dive over the side of the railing off of this
<v Speaker 3>twelve foot deck, and I was like, what the f
<v Speaker 3>you know, And I felt it in the ground. I
<v Speaker 3>felt the the heuse like the floor shift, you know,
<v Speaker 3>So I knew I wasn't just like and it was
<v Speaker 3>so fast that I was like, that just happened. So
<v Speaker 3>so I kind of I was like kind of freaking out,
<v Speaker 3>and my dad is standing behind me, and he, like
<v Speaker 3>I said, he was starting with dementia and he didn't
<v Speaker 3>see what I saw. But I ran into my room
<v Speaker 3>and I grabbed my rifle and it's a I put that.
<v Speaker 3>It's a little three hundred blackout and I put my
<v Speaker 3>suppressor on there, and it's like my home defense gun.
<v Speaker 3>You know, we live out in the country. There's no
<v Speaker 3>street lights, there's nothing out there, so you know, I'm
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it may sound weird, but I always we
<v Speaker 3>always had a rifle or a shotgun in the closet
<v Speaker 3>or somewhere at hand. And I gave my dad my
<v Speaker 3>concealed carry pistol and I pulled him to follow me
<v Speaker 3>downstairs because I just saw somebody jump off our deck
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, what the hell. So I go
<v Speaker 3>outside through those French doors. I was trying to explain
<v Speaker 3>to you, and I got the weapon light and I'm
<v Speaker 3>scanning the woods. Now. We have an above ground pool
<v Speaker 3>about twenty yards from the deck, and then the woodline
<v Speaker 3>is about another twenty yards past the pool, and I'm
<v Speaker 3>looking for anything that I can see as far as
<v Speaker 3>a person or listen. I'm more listening, you know, but
<v Speaker 3>I'm also scanning with the light and I didn't see anything,
<v Speaker 3>and something told me to look up. I don't know
<v Speaker 3>what it was, but like, look, look up, look above
<v Speaker 3>where a normal person would be standing. So I start
<v Speaker 3>scanning up into the left of the property and like
<v Speaker 3>I said, I didn't hear anything, and I see what
<v Speaker 3>I thought was It was a knee, basically a knee
<v Speaker 3>on the side of a tree, and it was about
<v Speaker 3>twenty feet up in the tree. And I'm looking at
<v Speaker 3>this and I know it's it stands out and the
<v Speaker 3>white light of the weapon light is really bright. So
<v Speaker 3>when I see this looked like what looked like a
<v Speaker 3>person's knee like clung onto the side of this oak tree,
<v Speaker 3>I'm starting to pick it out in my brain that
<v Speaker 3>there's black hair all over this knee and there's scars.
<v Speaker 3>I could see these little scars and like old scars
<v Speaker 3>on it, and just long black hair on this knee.
<v Speaker 3>And just as soon as I recognized what it was, sorry,
<v Speaker 3>I have to breathe. I saw if you extend your
<v Speaker 3>right arm, and if you're if someone's looking at you
<v Speaker 3>while you extend right arm, they could see the inside
<v Speaker 3>of your bicep and your forearm. And that's exactly what
<v Speaker 3>I saw as this creature, what I believed to be
<v Speaker 3>was a big fook. I never saw its face. It
<v Speaker 3>extended its right arm, and I could see the separation
<v Speaker 3>between the bicep and the tricep and about six inches
<v Speaker 3>of black hair dangling off of the arm. As it
<v Speaker 3>extended that arm out, it reached up and grabbed onto
<v Speaker 3>a branch and pulled itself up, and that knee that
<v Speaker 3>I saw shifted behind the light out of my view,
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, holy crap, like you know, like
<v Speaker 3>like I said, I didn't see the face of it,
<v Speaker 3>but it was a great art. The skin color on
<v Speaker 3>the arm was gray, it was like a and even
<v Speaker 3>with that white light on it, it was like a
<v Speaker 3>light gray, but the hair dangling off of it was
<v Speaker 3>at black. And the arm it was kind of you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's probably about twenty five twenty five yards away, but
<v Speaker 3>it seemed like it was still way too long to
<v Speaker 3>be like a person. And I'm like, obviously a person
<v Speaker 3>can't shin me up a tree with its arms and
<v Speaker 3>knees like that, like you know, unless there's some kind
<v Speaker 3>of athlete. So so I my Dad's standing behind me,
<v Speaker 3>and I start backing up. And at this point, my
<v Speaker 3>situational awareness was, if there's one there, there's probably another
<v Speaker 3>one somewhere else. And like I said, the one that
<v Speaker 3>what I saw dive over the deck was a brown color.
<v Speaker 3>So I start scanning the woodline as I'm backing up
<v Speaker 3>to go back inside of the house, and just beyond
<v Speaker 3>the pool, just inside the woodline, I saw what looked
<v Speaker 3>like a It looked like a guy in a gilly suit.
<v Speaker 3>I know people have stated this before. And it was
<v Speaker 3>perched up in the tree just as if you would
<v Speaker 3>sit in a tree stamp. It was standing sitting there
<v Speaker 3>in the tree with with its hands down by its bites,
<v Speaker 3>but as if it was like sitting, almost like it
<v Speaker 3>was sitting in a chair, you know, And it had
<v Speaker 3>its head down. And once again I focusing on the
<v Speaker 3>on the knee because like I said, I thought this
<v Speaker 3>was first. I thought for sure it was somebody in
<v Speaker 3>a Gillie suit. So so I, uh, I've got the
<v Speaker 3>light on it, and I said. I don't remember exactly
<v Speaker 3>what I said, but I was like, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>who are you or what are you? You know, I
<v Speaker 3>was like, what are you? Doing like I was treating
<v Speaker 3>it as if it was a person. But then I
<v Speaker 3>then I once again I focused in on the knee,
<v Speaker 3>and I noticed that it's not a gilly suit. It's
<v Speaker 3>actual hair. And what gave it away was the knee
<v Speaker 3>was the actual knee cap was all scarred up again,
<v Speaker 3>had like it had like a like a Caucasian complexion,
<v Speaker 3>the white white skin basically, but it had multi color
<v Speaker 3>brown and gray, all almost like a calico kind of cap,
<v Speaker 3>you know, different shades of brown and gray, and the
<v Speaker 3>the like I said, the knee is what made me
<v Speaker 3>convince me that this wasn't a suit or a gilly suit,
<v Speaker 3>because I've I've seen plenty of people in gilly suits
<v Speaker 3>and they don't you could tell. It's like a mesh material.
<v Speaker 3>And I could see the scars on its knees, and
<v Speaker 3>it did not move. It did not move as I
<v Speaker 3>was I don't even remember what I said, but I
<v Speaker 3>know what I said as I backed up, because it
<v Speaker 3>didn't respond, and it had its head down and all
<v Speaker 3>I could see was like the tip of his nose
<v Speaker 3>because its hair was all covering its face. So once
<v Speaker 3>again I'm looking at this thing twenty five yards in
<v Speaker 3>front of me. It did not move a muscle. It
<v Speaker 3>was like almost like it was pretending I wasn't there,
<v Speaker 3>you know, thinking back, I feel like it it got caught,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like almost like a little kid who gets
<v Speaker 3>caught and they're just like, you can't see me, you know,
<v Speaker 3>even though almost blasting it with a bright ass light,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like trying to figure out what you are.
<v Speaker 3>And then once I something must have told me that
<v Speaker 3>this was not a person, because the words that I
<v Speaker 3>used I'll never forget. As I was backing up and
<v Speaker 3>I basically ran backwards inside after this was we mean
<v Speaker 3>you no harm, is what I said to it. And
<v Speaker 3>I think, I know it's sad to me it sounds
<v Speaker 3>silly so like uh to say those words, but at
<v Speaker 3>the time, like I was in shock, in fear, and
<v Speaker 3>so basically, uh, you know, it never made any gestures
<v Speaker 3>or you know, or decided to come after or jump
<v Speaker 3>out of the tree or come after us. It didn't
<v Speaker 3>make any sound or anything like that. But uh we
<v Speaker 3>uh we we backed up into the house and I
<v Speaker 3>was scanning the property to where I saw the one
<v Speaker 3>with the black hair backed up in the house and
<v Speaker 3>closed the door, locked the door and I remember going
<v Speaker 3>upstairs and my mom was like, what are you doing?
<v Speaker 3>What's going on? You know, asking me all these questions,
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, I think I remember saying to her
<v Speaker 3>like they're real, you know, like She's like, what are
<v Speaker 3>you talking about? And I'm like, effing bigfoot, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like so so yeah. So that night, it was already
<v Speaker 3>pretty late, but I have a chocolate lab named Morgan,
<v Speaker 3>and she would not go in my room for some reason.
<v Speaker 3>She usually slept with me in my bed.
<v Speaker 4>I've had her since she was a puppy, and she
<v Speaker 4>refused to sleep in my bed, so I kept she
<v Speaker 4>kept going to the door as if she wanted to
<v Speaker 4>be left alone, and just.
<v Speaker 3>I tried to lay down, I kept arguing with my
<v Speaker 3>dad because he didn't understand what. I don't think he
<v Speaker 3>saw what I saw. I don't know. I asked him,
<v Speaker 3>I said, did you see that? And his exact words were,
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure. And at this point in time, he
<v Speaker 3>still couldn't He couldn't really communicate great, but he had
<v Speaker 3>a few phrases that he could say, and those were
<v Speaker 3>that was what he said. A lot was I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure. When you would ask him something he
<v Speaker 3>would say, I'm not sure. So I'm still in my
<v Speaker 3>mind like thinking, like am I losing my mind? Like
<v Speaker 3>what is this? Did I really just see what this was?
<v Speaker 3>So I finally got to calm down enough and I
<v Speaker 3>was argument with my dad about keeping the lights on
<v Speaker 3>on the outside lights on, and in the back of
<v Speaker 3>my mind, I'm like, should I call our neighbor, you know?
<v Speaker 3>Should I let my let the neighbor know what I saw?
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, in the back of my head, I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>what am I going to tell them? You know? And
<v Speaker 3>then the phone call earlier from what I believe was
<v Speaker 3>the Sheriff's apartment, like saying to be on the lookout,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Like what do I can't call them and
<v Speaker 3>say what I They'll think I'm crazy, you know, So
<v Speaker 3>more things will come, will come forward to justify what
<v Speaker 3>I thought I saw, because at this point I was
<v Speaker 3>still like questioning myself. You know, I've always kind of
<v Speaker 3>believed that these things were out there, but I've never
<v Speaker 3>ran into them. And we've been on that property since
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight, so this was twenty twenty one,
<v Speaker 3>and I've never seen anything anything like that before, you know,
<v Speaker 3>so I finally I'm laying down in my bed, I've
<v Speaker 3>got my TV on, I'm trying to calm down. I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>I got to try to get some rest. This is
<v Speaker 3>a few hours later, and I'll never forget it. Just
<v Speaker 3>as I'm closing my eyes to doze off, I was
<v Speaker 3>finally calm I feel this. I heard and felt this
<v Speaker 3>giant slap on the side of the house right above
<v Speaker 3>my window, and it made me literally levitate out of bed,
<v Speaker 3>like as if something through a rock or hit the
<v Speaker 3>side of the house, like just above where my window was.
<v Speaker 3>And I had my blinds drawn, so I couldn't imagine
<v Speaker 3>anything could see end. So that was like, you know,
<v Speaker 3>is this thing watching me as I'm trying to sleep.
<v Speaker 3>But then I thought back, and I've had that same
<v Speaker 3>thing happen probably about four or five times prior, where
<v Speaker 3>I'll just be starting to go to sleep and ILL
<v Speaker 3>feel like a slap on the side of the house
<v Speaker 3>just kind of ring, you know. So I kind of
<v Speaker 3>I was like, wait, you know what, thinking about it,
<v Speaker 3>I'm having time to think about it. I was like,
<v Speaker 3>you know, this has happened before, you know, but this
<v Speaker 3>time that night it was very, very loud, so so
<v Speaker 3>that was that was my experience the following The following morning,
<v Speaker 3>I was literally like it was a beautiful day. It
<v Speaker 3>was a gorgeous summer day out there. Everything's green, no
<v Speaker 3>no clouds in the sky. But and it was really
<v Speaker 3>hot during the during that time of the year in August,
<v Speaker 3>and I went outside. I got up enough nerve to
<v Speaker 3>go out under you know, out the downstairs uh French doors,
<v Speaker 3>and right underneath where the deck, where the deck is,
<v Speaker 3>the ground is notoriously soft. Right there. It's a low
<v Speaker 3>lying area and it holds a lot of water in
<v Speaker 3>that grass. And sure enough, there was what I could
<v Speaker 3>only say it was like an imprint from something landing there,
<v Speaker 3>Like something jumped off like I thought, and landed there.
<v Speaker 3>You could almost you can almost put your right knee
<v Speaker 3>down and you're in a left foot, and then where
<v Speaker 3>the left foot where you could see where you could
<v Speaker 3>kind of judge where the left foot was, is where
<v Speaker 3>I saw earth like kicked out, like as if something
<v Speaker 3>landed right knee, left foot and then kicked off with
<v Speaker 3>its left foot towards the woodline. So that kind of
<v Speaker 3>confirmed to me, like you know what, I uh, what
<v Speaker 3>I saw really happened, And then UH. I spent the
<v Speaker 3>next the rest of that weekend scanning the woods with
<v Speaker 3>my phone and I have a little uh, I have
<v Speaker 3>a spotting scope in the basement, so I was looking
<v Speaker 3>looking in the woods, and I I thought I caught
<v Speaker 3>a couple. I saw some weird things, man, And this
<v Speaker 3>is where this is where it gets goes from what
<v Speaker 3>what could have easily just been okay, it's bad enough,
<v Speaker 3>like too bigfoot. But I kept seeing what looked like
<v Speaker 3>hooded like black hooded things walking around just as it
<v Speaker 3>would get dark. And I could never get a picture
<v Speaker 3>of like anything like with it with its like face
<v Speaker 3>or anything. But I kept seeing these hooded things, like
<v Speaker 3>people size things with black robes and hoods, and this
<v Speaker 3>this is crazy. But my mom passed away a month
<v Speaker 3>after this happened, exactly, you know, like a month to
<v Speaker 3>the day after this happened. So when I was telling
<v Speaker 3>my family members about this, they kept bringing up the
<v Speaker 3>the UH which call it what do they call the
<v Speaker 3>Grim Reaper? And I was like, well, that's exactly what
<v Speaker 3>it looked like to me. And I think the best
<v Speaker 3>thing I got was like a picture of this like
<v Speaker 3>partial black road looking thing, but it was obscured by
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of branches, but I kept seeing I just
<v Speaker 3>couldn't get a picture of it because I was like,
<v Speaker 3>no one's gonna believe me, you know. And then I
<v Speaker 3>got probably one of the weirdest photos I got was this,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you would call it. It had black
<v Speaker 3>a black face, and it looked like a monster. And
<v Speaker 3>so I got a picture of that. It was very blurry,
<v Speaker 3>it's not very a good photo. But and then I
<v Speaker 3>saw in the and I got one photo of what
<v Speaker 3>I appear to be like a sasquatch peeking around a tree. Sorry,
<v Speaker 3>I'm just really I'm really nervous. I've never told this story.
<v Speaker 3>I've always been afraid to, but I've I've been listening
<v Speaker 3>to you for a while, and uh, I feel like
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's just time for me to tell mine,
<v Speaker 3>you know. And I don't know what to make of it,
<v Speaker 3>you know. I second guessed myself for for a long time.
<v Speaker 3>Did I really see what I saw? Then I I
<v Speaker 3>literally saw these things and got decent, if not poorly
<v Speaker 3>not not great photos, But it convinced me that what
<v Speaker 3>I you know, what I saw actually happened. And so yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that was it. I went to I want to work
<v Speaker 3>that Monday morning, and I didn't. I don't think I
<v Speaker 3>slept for like two weeks. I was I was a mess.
<v Speaker 3>I was worried about my parents being in that house,
<v Speaker 3>you know, worried that you know what I saw was
<v Speaker 3>but oh yeah, there was. There was one other, really
<v Speaker 3>really strange thing and I was just about to get
<v Speaker 3>it was. It was like Sunday, It was a day
<v Speaker 3>after and it was getting later in the afternoon, and
<v Speaker 3>I was using my phone to like look at the
<v Speaker 3>look at the edge of the woods, and I was
<v Speaker 3>kind of I was thinking, like I need to just
<v Speaker 3>take my motorcycle and go for a ride. And as
<v Speaker 3>I uh, as I had the phone looking through the window, Man,
<v Speaker 3>this is crazy, Miguel. I don't even know like how
<v Speaker 3>to explain it. But it looked like a green cartoonish
<v Speaker 3>like I called it. I called it like smiley because
<v Speaker 3>it was smiling and it looked like a green maybe
<v Speaker 3>four foot five foot cartoonish green, same color as the leaves,
<v Speaker 3>but it was it popped up and it was smiling
<v Speaker 3>at me, and it made the gesture that I'm watching you.
<v Speaker 3>It pointed to its eyes and then it pointed to
<v Speaker 3>me and then it just dipped down. So I I
<v Speaker 3>did not Let's just put it this, I did. I never.
<v Speaker 3>I never went for that motorcycle ride. I was forced
<v Speaker 3>to go back, and I was forced to leave the house,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Monday, Monday morning. And yeah, man, driving out
<v Speaker 3>of that driveway, being next to those woods, I was
<v Speaker 3>I was scared. Man. I didn't want to believe what
<v Speaker 3>my eyes were showing you, so but I tried to
<v Speaker 3>document it the best I could, and I sent you.
<v Speaker 3>I sent you a couple of photos. I know they're
<v Speaker 3>not great, but that was the best I could do.
<v Speaker 3>And that was my experience, man. I mean in the past.
<v Speaker 3>There was one other time in the past where me
<v Speaker 3>and my dad were looking at it. He's of property
<v Speaker 3>that I was going to buy, and we were walking.
<v Speaker 3>We were walking. It was the property was located right
<v Speaker 3>on the edge of a swamp, and we were walking
<v Speaker 3>the trail to look at the property and I saw
<v Speaker 3>a bare foot print, but it was like maybe like
<v Speaker 3>a size six or seven kids size barefoot print. But
<v Speaker 3>it was the middle of the fall, and I was like, wow,
<v Speaker 3>would somebody be barefoot out here walking? And as we
<v Speaker 3>were walking back to the car, because we walked the
<v Speaker 3>whole length of the path, which would have been the
<v Speaker 3>driveway to the property if if you were to buy
<v Speaker 3>and build. We took a we took an offshoot of
<v Speaker 3>a trail and my dad was standing there and there's
<v Speaker 3>there's it was well overgrown, like reads like eight feet high.
<v Speaker 3>And as he was standing there, I heard something shift
<v Speaker 3>right behind him and it didn't sound like a four legged,
<v Speaker 3>four legged gear or anything. This is this is before
<v Speaker 3>the incident happened. But that was the only time where
<v Speaker 3>I thought like I put two and two together, like
<v Speaker 3>something just moved and took off. It literally just shot
<v Speaker 3>off right behind my dad. But the way it sounded,
<v Speaker 3>and if you're a hunter, you know what something sounds like.
<v Speaker 3>That's big, small, four legged, two legged, you know. And yeah,
<v Speaker 3>my dad looked at me. It was like, what the
<v Speaker 3>hell was that. I could see the reeds, the tip
<v Speaker 3>of the tops of the reeds moving as this thing
<v Speaker 3>just bulldozed away from us. And then I put two
<v Speaker 3>and two together with the footprint. I was like, that's
<v Speaker 3>but you know, I never saw anything that time. But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>August twenty eight, twenty twenty one, Man, it was a
<v Speaker 3>crazy weekend and it stayed with me. And I mean,
<v Speaker 3>my mom literally passed away a month after, and I
<v Speaker 3>wanted to say one other thing because this is what
<v Speaker 3>actually got me to call you and to tell my story.
<v Speaker 3>There has been multiple times where I've been listening to
<v Speaker 3>podcasts where people say, like, where did the I think
<v Speaker 3>that I think it was one of your episodes. I
<v Speaker 3>can't remember exactly which one, but the the person says like,
<v Speaker 3>where did the Sasquatch go? And someone told them the
<v Speaker 3>green people, the green guys took them or something like that,
<v Speaker 3>and I couldn't help but think, like of the that
<v Speaker 3>green cartoonish looking thing that I saw, you know, that
<v Speaker 3>was smiling, and I was like, is that what they
<v Speaker 3>mean when they say the green the green ones took them?
<v Speaker 3>Or I don't know, man, I'm just throwing that out there,
<v Speaker 3>but you know, yeah, that's that's that's my that's my story, man.
<v Speaker 1>All right, Anthony, I appreciate you for sharing that with Man,
<v Speaker 1>it's a valid question. I wonder what it was. What
<v Speaker 1>do you think the green bean or creature was?
<v Speaker 3>Man, it's it's I want to know what the hooded
<v Speaker 3>things were. Man, That's what freaked me out. Even more,
<v Speaker 3>you know, what were these things that were six foot plus,
<v Speaker 3>like wearing black robes you couldn't see I could never
<v Speaker 3>see like the face on it or anything. But as
<v Speaker 3>far as the green thing, I mean, like it just
<v Speaker 3>seemed like it was what other people talk about, these
<v Speaker 3>these forest beans maybe, or these extraterrestrials or something. I
<v Speaker 3>really don't know. But it looked at me as if
<v Speaker 3>it knew it knew me, you know, and it was smiling,
<v Speaker 3>and it pointed to its eyes and then to me
<v Speaker 3>as if to say, I'm watching you. And it just
<v Speaker 3>gives me goosebumps, man, Like what was? And then with
<v Speaker 3>everything going on with my dad being sick and my
<v Speaker 3>mom passing away a month later, like, it just opens
<v Speaker 3>up so many questions, you know, Like, for as long
<v Speaker 3>as we've been there, we've never had anything weird having
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, my Mom's about to
<v Speaker 3>die and this happens. It's weird, man.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a strange coincidence to say the least. And
<v Speaker 1>I've personally spoken with people that swear they've seen the
<v Speaker 1>Grim Reaper, and that's what they say that after they
<v Speaker 1>have this encounter with this being, like someone and their
<v Speaker 1>family passes away. But also it could have been possibly
<v Speaker 1>the Sasquatch. They do have conical shaped heads, not all
<v Speaker 1>of them, but some of them do. Did this look
<v Speaker 1>more like clothing like the grim Reaper? And did it
<v Speaker 1>have like a staff with the blade on it or
<v Speaker 1>could you recall anything like that?
<v Speaker 3>No, I never saw anything like in its hands. But
<v Speaker 3>you're right, though I do I do agree with you
<v Speaker 3>like the way that it did look, it could have
<v Speaker 3>very because every time I saw them, it was getting
<v Speaker 3>pretty dark out, so I did see like that taper
<v Speaker 3>at the top, and it would throw you off if
<v Speaker 3>they you know, I've never seen one before, but the
<v Speaker 3>one that I sent you the picture of, it's not
<v Speaker 3>obviously it's the one with the looks like he's got
<v Speaker 3>a really big nose. Did you see that anyway? Anyway?
<v Speaker 3>That's you know, that's what I assume that that looks like.
<v Speaker 3>But with these with these hooded things, man, it really
<v Speaker 3>really to me looked like as if it was a
<v Speaker 3>human shape being with a cloak, and it just you know,
<v Speaker 3>like I said, I can never get a good view
<v Speaker 3>of it, but you know, right before dark, i'd see
<v Speaker 3>him moving around and it's like right off the right,
<v Speaker 3>right along the woodline. I'm like, what is that? You know?
<v Speaker 3>And and then there was one picture I got that
<v Speaker 3>I think I sent you where it you could see
<v Speaker 3>like what looked like almost like dark black velvety fabric.
<v Speaker 3>You know. It didn't look like fur to me anyway,
<v Speaker 3>but it was I don't know, I don't know, man,
<v Speaker 3>this is this is difficult to like, it's it's blown
<v Speaker 3>my whole paradigm out, you know, And try explaining this
<v Speaker 3>to you know, my now wife and my sister at
<v Speaker 3>the time. The only thing I could do is I
<v Speaker 3>have to try to get a picture of something, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, because I it was hard enough for
<v Speaker 3>me to believe what my own eyes were seeing, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, that was wild man.
<v Speaker 1>The fact that you got the call from the Sheriff's
<v Speaker 1>department saying that there was someone out on the loose,
<v Speaker 1>a fugitive or some type of suspect, and then you
<v Speaker 1>see these beings or creatures outside of the house that
<v Speaker 1>star because you don't know if you know, there's someone
<v Speaker 1>bad out there with bad intentions, and then you realize
<v Speaker 1>that whatever's out there is human like, but it's some
<v Speaker 1>type of creature.
<v Speaker 3>That's That's the one thing that's always thrown me off
<v Speaker 3>was that thinking back was like that phone call was timed.
<v Speaker 3>Like I almost wanted to go back and look at
<v Speaker 3>their phone records, you know what I mean, like to
<v Speaker 3>see where that phone call came from. You know, I'm
<v Speaker 3>not one hundred percent sure, but it's pretty sure it
<v Speaker 3>was a recording from the local sheriff's department, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And you know what, did somebody see something and call
<v Speaker 3>in and say, hey, we've got some prowler in our
<v Speaker 3>yard or something, And maybe that's why the call went
<v Speaker 3>out to neighbors. I don't know. It just the whole thing,
<v Speaker 3>the whole the whole thing was crazy, you know. And
<v Speaker 3>then you know, like but I could I knew, I
<v Speaker 3>knew everything was real when I saw the indentations in
<v Speaker 3>the ground after the next morning, you know where you know,
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't just because it was so fast. I was like,
<v Speaker 3>did I really just see somebody dive off that fourteen
<v Speaker 3>foot deck, you know, and that I was I convinced
<v Speaker 3>myself the next morning when I saw in the earth
<v Speaker 3>like where it landed, you know, and then you know
<v Speaker 3>the other things was like I you know, I wish,
<v Speaker 3>my wish my dad was more of sound mind at
<v Speaker 3>the time, because he would have corroborated at least for me,
<v Speaker 3>you know. But I had this feeling the whole weekend
<v Speaker 3>that I saw something I wasn't supposed to see. I'm Catholic.
<v Speaker 3>I was brought up in the church, CITCD, Sunday School,
<v Speaker 3>all the sacraments, you know, and I kept getting this
<v Speaker 3>gut feeling something telling me that what I saw I
<v Speaker 3>was not supposed to see. And I'll just leave it
<v Speaker 3>at that. And it bothered me, man, for weeks. Man,
<v Speaker 3>I'd be sleeping in my work truck, have to keep
<v Speaker 3>the lights on in the work truck. There was a
<v Speaker 3>couple of times I had to sleep in these at
<v Speaker 3>the shipper or at the receiver on the property where
<v Speaker 3>there was nobody else around, and I'm like, I felt
<v Speaker 3>like a little kid. I was scared, you know, scared
<v Speaker 3>to you know lot, man, just thinking about it. It
<v Speaker 3>took a while for that to go away, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and then trying to explain this, like who do you
<v Speaker 3>I love my wife, but she was worried. She thought
<v Speaker 3>I was just overstressed because of my mom and my dad.
<v Speaker 3>You know. She was until I was able to convince
<v Speaker 3>her with a few crappy photos that I got. You know,
<v Speaker 3>she was really concerned for me. You know. I wasn't eating,
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't sleeping. I was a mess man, and talking
<v Speaker 3>about it like it's you'd all back up again. But
<v Speaker 3>people need to know about this, man, People need to
<v Speaker 3>know that there's some crazy. There's some things out there
<v Speaker 3>that just you know, I mean, I hope nobody else
<v Speaker 3>runs into. But I've been hunting since I was twelve
<v Speaker 3>years old with my dad, even before I had a license.
<v Speaker 3>I would go with them, you know, and we've never
<v Speaker 3>even thought about anything like this being around, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And then you hear all these crazy stories about missing
<v Speaker 3>people and and and people running into these things, and
<v Speaker 3>you you know, and then you get a little taste
<v Speaker 3>of it for yourself, and you're like, oh, you know,
<v Speaker 3>this this is real and it's you know, it's a
<v Speaker 3>hard pill to swallow, man, you know. And to try
<v Speaker 3>to explain that to your loved ones, the people who
<v Speaker 3>really care about you, that you're not crazy, that that
<v Speaker 3>was the hardest thing I wrestled with, you know, like,
<v Speaker 3>like what's wrong, what's wrong? Why are you like this?
<v Speaker 3>Why are you, you know, like you know what's wrong
<v Speaker 3>and you try to tell them and they don't believe you,
<v Speaker 3>you know, So I.
<v Speaker 1>Mean, yeah, absolutely, it's hard to digest this type of
<v Speaker 1>information unless you're really open minded or you've had experiences
<v Speaker 1>yourself and you know that's the thing. There are cryptive
<v Speaker 1>creatures out there, UFOs, aliens, the paranormal exists, but if
<v Speaker 1>you've never experienced anything like this, you can't really relate.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it would be like, I don't know, some
<v Speaker 1>tribal people in a third world country seeing to be
<v Speaker 1>two bomb or fly over them. They have no idea
<v Speaker 1>what they just saw, but that that plane has a purpose.
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a whole plan behind it, but we
<v Speaker 1>just don't know seeing it from the other end, and
<v Speaker 1>it makes me wonder like maybe law enforcements saw like
<v Speaker 1>a clan of Sasquatch, or they know that they've been
<v Speaker 1>in the area terrorizing people, and they knew that they
<v Speaker 1>were out that night and they made the call to
<v Speaker 1>keep people inside, so they didn't see these things.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot of questions that will pop
<v Speaker 1>up into your mind when you know there's a lot
<v Speaker 1>of scenarios that could play out.
<v Speaker 3>There, right and then but I've rolled that, I've rolled
<v Speaker 3>that around in my mind. Just it's just like you
<v Speaker 3>just said, man, and uh, you know, like especially a
<v Speaker 3>small town like it was, you know, with a limited
<v Speaker 3>you know, department and everything, like everybody's you know, I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, it's it's crazy, man. But the coincidence of
<v Speaker 3>that phone call and then literally immediately like as I
<v Speaker 3>flipped the light on, feeling that the ground shift, I
<v Speaker 3>saw something fly off the deck was just like just
<v Speaker 3>you know, thinking back on it, and then everything else
<v Speaker 3>that happened with the slap on the side of the
<v Speaker 3>roof and then the things that I that I saw
<v Speaker 3>that I tried to catch on camera, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think anybody was going to believe me. And
<v Speaker 3>I can imagine you're living out there, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>the neighbors are not like close by or anything, so
<v Speaker 3>you know, like I mean, you know, if you see something,
<v Speaker 3>you try to tell your neighbors, what are they going
<v Speaker 3>to think? You know, Like, I don't know, it's kind
<v Speaker 3>of it's a hard time. It's a hard subject to
<v Speaker 3>bring up, you know, especially you don't want your neighbors
<v Speaker 3>thinking something about you, like you know, like this person
<v Speaker 3>seeing things or something like that. It's it's wild, man,
<v Speaker 3>it's wild. But you know, I finally probably got my
<v Speaker 3>wife to believe me and you know, to trust that
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't just overly stressed with I mean, at that time,
<v Speaker 3>we knew my mom was unlimited time, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>there was a great deal of emotional stress and a
<v Speaker 3>great deal of you know, fear as to what was
<v Speaker 3>the future was going to be for my dad as well,
<v Speaker 3>because my mom was caring for my dad. You know,
<v Speaker 3>my dad is still alive, he's he's an assistant living still,
<v Speaker 3>but he's he's really bad. You know what the menshit
<v Speaker 3>at this point is now for you almost four years later.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm sorry you had to go through that,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that was a difficult time in your
<v Speaker 1>life and it still is. So I can only imagine.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like people have these experiences before something serious
<v Speaker 1>happens in their life, and I don't know why. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it's possibly a coincidence, but that's what I've noticed a
<v Speaker 1>lot of times people see like a sasquatch or experience
<v Speaker 1>paranormal activity before something huge happens in their life.
<v Speaker 3>A big change, I'm going to go out on a
<v Speaker 3>limb in and like I'm not. I'm not gonna say
<v Speaker 3>for one hundred percent sure that there was like missing
<v Speaker 3>time throughout that weekend. But there's a lot of that
<v Speaker 3>weekend that I can't put together frame by frame. And
<v Speaker 3>I remember thinking while all this was happening, and while
<v Speaker 3>I was seeing these things, like I was literally in
<v Speaker 3>my basement with a spotting scope, like searching the woods
<v Speaker 3>and seeing these things, like I told you, like what
<v Speaker 3>looked to be like cloaked like beings and stuff like that.
<v Speaker 3>And and the whole time I was thinking, like this
<v Speaker 3>is so this whole sense of something spiritual like with
<v Speaker 3>my you know, with my mom, you know, is are
<v Speaker 3>these things waiting for my mom to pass? You know?
<v Speaker 3>Or something something really like it really hit me like strong,
<v Speaker 3>like this is something beyond like what we normally comprehend,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like these things aren't just here from no reason,
<v Speaker 3>you know, And I don't know. I guess, well we'll
<v Speaker 3>find out one day, you know, hobably when it's our time,
<v Speaker 3>you know. Yeah, man, crazy experience. Man I left when
<v Speaker 3>we sold that property. I used to have to go
<v Speaker 3>there and cut the grass and I would not stay
<v Speaker 3>there after dark, and you know, i'd stay at my
<v Speaker 3>uh my now wife's her house, or I refuse to
<v Speaker 3>sleep there by myself in that home again. I left,
<v Speaker 3>like really really nice tree stands in those woods. I
<v Speaker 3>refuse to go get them, like I would not step
<v Speaker 3>foot in those woods again, you know, after after that experience,
<v Speaker 3>and you know, it's something I'll never forget. And I've
<v Speaker 3>I've told my steps on about it. He's really interested
<v Speaker 3>in the subject, you know, and I've showed him what
<v Speaker 3>I the best, the best photos of what I what
<v Speaker 3>I could get, you know, and you can share those
<v Speaker 3>if you want, if you feel they're worth worthwhile. I've
<v Speaker 3>shown them to some people. Some people say that's just
<v Speaker 3>a shadow. Some people say, oh, I see it. So
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'll leave that up to you, you know,
<v Speaker 3>but but uh yeah, man, I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Crazy, yeah, and then it'll tank the forest once you
<v Speaker 1>see something like that in the area. And you showed
<v Speaker 1>me a photo of the home. That's a beautiful home.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a dream home for any American. That's
<v Speaker 1>like the ultimate goal for most people to get something
<v Speaker 1>that nice. And yeah, you can see that there's dense
<v Speaker 1>forest behind it. And it makes sense why they would
<v Speaker 1>be there. And I've heard the description a lot that
<v Speaker 1>it looked like somebody in coveralls and were in a
<v Speaker 1>gilly suit. And yeah, that same description keeps popping up
<v Speaker 1>over and over. And actually heard somebody that it's a
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel that I watched called the Hunting Public. This
<v Speaker 1>was a few years ago, but they were deep in
<v Speaker 1>the Ozarks in Arkansas, and one of the guys was like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I saw what looked like a big
<v Speaker 1>African American and coveralls run across the road. And he
<v Speaker 1>just kind of shook his head. That's all they said.
<v Speaker 1>But I was like, that's weird because they were filming
<v Speaker 1>when they were driving down that county road and they
<v Speaker 1>even mentioned there's no houses for miles and miles, and
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, oh, I bet, I know that
<v Speaker 1>was right.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I could see how it could easily be, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>especially at a quick glance or something, it could easily
<v Speaker 3>appear to be like just a person in a you know,
<v Speaker 3>you know, jumpsuit or a hunting suit, you know, over
<v Speaker 3>a gilly suit. You know. Easily I could see how that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean, especially when you see it just
<v Speaker 3>real quick, you know. I mean, if if you're not
<v Speaker 3>if you don't have something like a like the forest
<v Speaker 3>people on your mind, or if you're not aware of
<v Speaker 3>something that that could that's even even that could even
<v Speaker 3>be a possibility, then to you it's just, oh, man,
<v Speaker 3>what's that guy doing out here? You know, like I
<v Speaker 3>could totally see that because what what gave it away
<v Speaker 3>to me? And I keep going back to the knee.
<v Speaker 3>I know I emphasized that a lot, but the there
<v Speaker 3>was a lot of you can see the hair was
<v Speaker 3>covering ninety nine percent of it, but you could see
<v Speaker 3>on the knee. You could see the scabs and scars,
<v Speaker 3>and that's how I knew, like from you know, I
<v Speaker 3>mean twenty yards sixty feet, it's not that far. And
<v Speaker 3>I had a last nice bright light on this thing, man,
<v Speaker 3>and it did not move. If it was a person
<v Speaker 3>with a rifle pointed at it, it would have said something,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like that's all I kept going back to,
<v Speaker 3>and it would have responded in some way.
<v Speaker 2>You know, why didn't you take a shot, man, dude?
<v Speaker 3>Just the fear of thinking, like there's another one that
<v Speaker 3>I just saw to the left of me, The fear
<v Speaker 3>of what if this is some kind of suit, you
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, Like it just kept going through
<v Speaker 3>my head and then yeah, I mean like I really
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to get out of there, like my you know,
<v Speaker 3>and you never want to shoot something if you're not
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent sure what it is, you know, And
<v Speaker 3>it didn't. If it would have jumped out or or
<v Speaker 3>screened it, there's probably that could have gone a million
<v Speaker 3>different ways, you know what I mean at that moment,
<v Speaker 3>But there was a good four or five seconds where
<v Speaker 3>I'm lighting this thing up twenty yards from me, and
<v Speaker 3>it just it did not budge, you know. And then
<v Speaker 3>I also, if you remember, I had the other one
<v Speaker 3>that I just saw, the one with the black, long
<v Speaker 3>black hair. I'm talking like eight to nine inch draped
<v Speaker 3>hair off of its forearms and underneath its triceps, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like and the skin was like I know people say
<v Speaker 3>it all the time, but a battleship gray, like you know,
<v Speaker 3>I'm like it was. That thing was forty yards to
<v Speaker 3>the left. I just I just backtracked from that thing,
<v Speaker 3>and now I'm just looking at a different thing. And
<v Speaker 3>all I want to do is get a you know,
<v Speaker 3>get away from it. But I don't know, man, I've
<v Speaker 3>thought about that too, Like what would have happened if
<v Speaker 3>I would have of pull the trigger?
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I don't blame you.
<v Speaker 1>You never know what if that was like swat shame
<v Speaker 1>or FBI back there and like gilly suits and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>How big was the creature that you could see, like
<v Speaker 1>the knee and the scars and the hair, how big
<v Speaker 1>do you do you estimate it to be?
<v Speaker 3>The second one that had the lighter color, the lighter
<v Speaker 3>color skin was just like a little bit bigger than
<v Speaker 3>a person. But the first one that I saw that
<v Speaker 3>was clung to the tree and I saw the inside
<v Speaker 3>of its right arm as it reached up to grab
<v Speaker 3>onto a branch. That arm and that body was way
<v Speaker 3>bigger than a person, like you know, like just the
<v Speaker 3>length of that arm was like twice the size of
<v Speaker 3>a person. The second one that I saw that was
<v Speaker 3>perched up in the tree, I would say one point
<v Speaker 3>five times what a person. The shoulders were way too
<v Speaker 3>wide for I mean, you know.
<v Speaker 2>That it.
<v Speaker 3>Could have been the one of the biggest, biggest people
<v Speaker 3>that you've that you've run into, you know, like that
<v Speaker 3>we that we see on a daily basis. But because
<v Speaker 3>of the position that was in, it was in like
<v Speaker 3>a seated position. You know. The only thing I could
<v Speaker 3>go by was the width of the shoulders, and then
<v Speaker 3>I could barely make out, like the tip of his
<v Speaker 3>the nose, and it from from my memory, it appeared
<v Speaker 3>like the nose was way super wide, like from the
<v Speaker 3>bottom part of the nostrils that I could see, they
<v Speaker 3>seemed super wide. And and like I said, I thought
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was a person at first, And then
<v Speaker 3>what gave it away to me was I could see
<v Speaker 3>the skin through through the hair on the knee. On
<v Speaker 3>the knee again, and it was partially obscured with branches
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that, so I couldn't see hands or
<v Speaker 3>feet or anything like that. But no thing that I mean, Scott,
<v Speaker 3>you got a bright light in your face. You know,
<v Speaker 3>like even if it was like, let's say, some kind
<v Speaker 3>of swat officer or something, they would have said something, right,
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't you think?
<v Speaker 2>I don't know for sure.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, like my dad's a cop or he's you know,
<v Speaker 3>he was a retired cop. I can't imagine somebody pointing
<v Speaker 3>a rifle at you, Like you wouldn't say, okay, you
<v Speaker 3>got me, Okay, you know, put that down. It's just
<v Speaker 3>me or something I don't know, like I was trying
<v Speaker 3>to get a response, and I feel like it's so
<v Speaker 3>stupid what I said, But I literally as I as
<v Speaker 3>I was backing up off of it for the I
<v Speaker 3>feel like what was probably about three seconds of just
<v Speaker 3>lighting this thing up. And I don't know exactly what
<v Speaker 3>I said, but I know the words I said. When
<v Speaker 3>I turned around, I was like, we mean you no harm.
<v Speaker 3>And I know it sounds so stupid, like you know,
<v Speaker 3>but like that in my mind, that's how like I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Your gut will speak to you. Maybe that was the
<v Speaker 1>best thing to do in the moment. And they say
<v Speaker 1>these things can kind of raid you, So I think
<v Speaker 1>that was a good idea. And yeah, what's helped you
<v Speaker 1>out the most to cope with these experiences and gain
<v Speaker 1>some understanding, Like what's helped you out the most throughout
<v Speaker 1>your journey after these encounters?
<v Speaker 3>Uh, honestly, man, Like it's something to me that I'll
<v Speaker 3>I don't think i'll ever get over the fear of
<v Speaker 3>going back in the woods after this. I'll always have
<v Speaker 3>like this fear of But I'll be honest with you, Miguel,
<v Speaker 3>Like listening to you, listening to other people. Man, it
<v Speaker 3>makes you feel like you're not alone, dude. You know,
<v Speaker 3>like I've always been interested in the subject, you know,
<v Speaker 3>Like I remember listening to Sasquatch Chronicles as one of
<v Speaker 3>the first like shows I would listen to because I'm
<v Speaker 3>a trick to I'm driving all the time. I like.
<v Speaker 3>I like paranormal stuff. I like listening to it. I
<v Speaker 3>like hearing people's stories, and I know that not everybody
<v Speaker 3>who's telling these they're not lying. You know, there's no
<v Speaker 3>way that all these people are just making sit up
<v Speaker 3>or seeing Sorry for my language, but you know there's
<v Speaker 3>there's you know, and then for I mean, I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>And now what's what helps me out too is hearing
<v Speaker 3>these kind of crossovers between like, hey, I saw this
<v Speaker 3>what I believe to be a forest person, but there
<v Speaker 3>was also a paranormal side to it too, because that's
<v Speaker 3>kind of what I believe happened to me with these
<v Speaker 3>cloak beings and then this man, this green thing that
<v Speaker 3>I saw. I'm almost like afraid to like even speak
<v Speaker 3>of it, you know, because I feel like the gesture
<v Speaker 3>that it made, like I'm watching you like that that dude,
<v Speaker 3>you know, it creeps me out.
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a lot out there, more than just
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch and even dog Man. I mean there's things like
<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky Goblin, Pudgwalkies. I mean there's there's a yeah
<v Speaker 1>little people there. There's a lot to it. And I
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like when I go to church because I'm
<v Speaker 1>Catholic too, and I'm sitting there, it's it's tough for
<v Speaker 1>me just to understand like the parables that Jesus said
<v Speaker 1>in the Bible, and you know, I'm sitting there wondering
<v Speaker 1>about like, let's say, like a failed relationship that I had,
<v Speaker 1>or why a family member of mine has cancer. And
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to put all this together, and I think, man,
<v Speaker 1>I've had bigfoot encounters, I've seen an alien, I've seen UFOs,
<v Speaker 1>I've had a ton of paranormal experiences. I'm pretty sure
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a dog man and I've seen a hell hound.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting in church just like wondering, like, man,
<v Speaker 1>just like a failed relationship that that's really hard to understand,
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like you know a lot of people say
<v Speaker 1>this to themselves, like I don't understand. I don't understand.
<v Speaker 1>It's just like when you see all this. It's just
<v Speaker 1>like a whole other level and I just feel isolated
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And I don't know, it's it's it's
<v Speaker 1>a horrible thing to go to go through. I guess,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I totally agree. Like I said, the hardest
<v Speaker 3>part for me was trying to tell like family members
<v Speaker 3>in my wife like like what, like, you know, why
<v Speaker 3>I haven't eaten in three days after this, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and like why I'm like acting the way I'm acting
<v Speaker 3>and you know, and man, dude, that doubt sets in
<v Speaker 3>and it's like did I you know so?
<v Speaker 1>But your brain will try to trick you to and
<v Speaker 1>say you didn't see that, But then you have to
<v Speaker 1>remind yourself like, oh crap, that really did happen. And
<v Speaker 1>it's almost like, you know, like when you wake up
<v Speaker 1>from a nightmare and it's just like, oh, that was
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. But let's say like if a family member passes,
<v Speaker 1>you wake up and you're like that wasn't real, and
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, wait, that that is real.
<v Speaker 3>That does happen. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean that's that's yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's a good way to put it, man, absolutely, But yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that was just bringing it all back up right now? Man?
<v Speaker 3>Is is uh, it's it's you know, I could tell
<v Speaker 3>my breathing has changed and everything. It's like you know,
<v Speaker 3>like I, like I said, I keep going back to
<v Speaker 3>that that thought, Like I've like you're not supposed to
<v Speaker 3>see this, you know, like like you saw something you're
<v Speaker 3>not supposed to see. And that's always stuck with me
<v Speaker 3>since this happened. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a crypto paranormal PTSD, Like once you
<v Speaker 1>start talking about it, you you relive it in the moment, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Dude, And like and I'm almost afraid, like I'm crazy,
<v Speaker 3>but like I don't want to bring this back towards
<v Speaker 3>me in any direction or any way, you know, like
<v Speaker 3>if these things are, I mean, who knows, man, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like we I feel like we we we don't know
<v Speaker 3>like half of what's going on. Man, Like there's things
<v Speaker 3>that we don't we're not supposed to know in a way.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, you know, like when you think about
<v Speaker 3>dimensions and portals and all this wild stuff that they're
<v Speaker 3>finally starting to prove on on certain levels, you know,
<v Speaker 3>and and you know how energy works and stuff like that,
<v Speaker 3>it's like what you know, like it'll it blows my mind.
<v Speaker 3>I love learning about stuff like this, and I love
<v Speaker 3>listening to other people's encounters. You know, I wish I
<v Speaker 3>could say that that my Catholic faith, although it is
<v Speaker 3>very strong, I'm not I'm not practicing like going to
<v Speaker 3>church and you know, involved in the you know, the
<v Speaker 3>Bible study groups like I used to be and stuff
<v Speaker 3>like that. But but I do have what I like
<v Speaker 3>to consider a very personal relationship with with my God,
<v Speaker 3>you know. You know, I think I'll just stick to that,
<v Speaker 3>you know, because I don't know what religion, what our
<v Speaker 3>religion says about things like this. You know, I've never
<v Speaker 3>tried to talk to a priests or a pastor about it.
<v Speaker 3>It's just I've just been keeping it bottled up. And
<v Speaker 3>very few of my close friends and family have ever
<v Speaker 3>heard this story before, you know, And it's almost like
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm not supposed to tell anybody, you know,
<v Speaker 3>that's the overwhelming feeling I get. You know. That's why
<v Speaker 3>I haven't said anything for this long.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that that's completely understandable. And yeah, I don't
<v Speaker 1>know what the church really thinks of these things. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>the community, they'll say they're demons. Other people say they're
<v Speaker 1>unknown primate species. People say the Naphylon, which could correlate
<v Speaker 1>with the demons, But I don't know. I've asked the
<v Speaker 1>church that myself and they said, Miguel, really, we don't
<v Speaker 1>really know.
<v Speaker 2>They're like, we don't know. If it's bad, very good.
<v Speaker 3>If I if I was to go back into some
<v Speaker 3>of your older stuff, do you talk about your personal
<v Speaker 3>encounters with anything?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got a video I made. It wasn't put
<v Speaker 1>together very well, but I do talk about it. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it explains it for the most part. Yeah, I'll send
<v Speaker 1>it to you after we get off the phone. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I definitely understand how you feel, man, and you're not alone.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people out there that are experiencing
<v Speaker 1>these things. Unfortunately, there's a ton of people who have
<v Speaker 1>never experienced anything, and they're pretty close minded, but rightfully so,
<v Speaker 1>you know, life's normal every day and for some people,
<v Speaker 1>you know, they just seem to experience these things. Were
<v Speaker 1>you having any paranormal experiences in the house prior or
<v Speaker 1>after the after this encounter that you had or these encounters?
<v Speaker 3>Was there anything? God, nothing ever prior? But I've hunted
<v Speaker 3>those woods since that house was built. And there's been
<v Speaker 3>numerous times, at least three times where I've got gone
<v Speaker 3>out to my stand in the dark, climbed up into
<v Speaker 3>my stand, and then something told me, like the like
<v Speaker 3>the the strongest urge possible was to go back, go
<v Speaker 3>to leave the woods, to get out of the stand.
<v Speaker 3>And I've never had that happen ever. And I remember,
<v Speaker 3>like on two occasions, like before the sun even came up,
<v Speaker 3>I'd get in my stand and someone would tell me
<v Speaker 3>just you need to leave, you need to get out
<v Speaker 3>of here, and I'd climb down and go back in
<v Speaker 3>the house, you know. So that happened. And then after
<v Speaker 3>this all happened, of course, we had the we made
<v Speaker 3>the decision to sell the home. So my sister and
<v Speaker 3>I were making trips back and forth, cleaning everything out,
<v Speaker 3>cutting the grass, doing the yard sales, making trips to
<v Speaker 3>the dump and everything. And there's a few times where
<v Speaker 3>I was in the house alone, which I hated being
<v Speaker 3>there alone. After this, even in the day, even in
<v Speaker 3>the day like broad broad daylight, like you know, I was,
<v Speaker 3>I was in the house by myself, and I kept
<v Speaker 3>hearing what I thought was something like footsteps walking around
<v Speaker 3>after like in the in the room next to me,
<v Speaker 3>and and I would be real quiet, and then I'd
<v Speaker 3>hear it, and then it would stop, and then I'd
<v Speaker 3>start doing what I was doing, and I'd hear like
<v Speaker 3>footsteps going across the floor. Again, It's like whoa. And
<v Speaker 3>it just kind of you know that. But that's that's
<v Speaker 3>the only thing I can really think of off the
<v Speaker 3>top of my head, you know, after after all that happened.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Yeah, a lot of unsolved mysteries, but you
<v Speaker 1>know what you've experienced and that's all that matters. You
<v Speaker 1>may not know exactly what it was, but you know
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't normal.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, And it makes me think, man, you know,
<v Speaker 3>it makes you I love I love wondering, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like I love like thinking like whoa, what is it?
<v Speaker 3>I love trying to put everything together theorize like what
<v Speaker 3>does this mean? It was that? You know, what was?
<v Speaker 3>What's the bigger picture? You know? And I have my
<v Speaker 3>thoughts and I've shared some of them, but you know,
<v Speaker 3>like maybe one day we'll all figure it out, you know,
<v Speaker 3>But these things I don't. I don't know. I had
<v Speaker 3>a thought too, like maybe, like remember I told you
<v Speaker 3>about like how I thought maybe these uh, these green
<v Speaker 3>things take the sasquatch or whatever.
<v Speaker 5>Like I was like, maybe maybe the night that I
<v Speaker 5>saw those, maybe like these other things like what I
<v Speaker 5>thought to be hooded beings or this this green thing
<v Speaker 5>I talked about, maybe that came after looking for these things,
<v Speaker 5>looking for the two sasquatches.
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, you know, and I'd love to
<v Speaker 3>learn more about that. Like I've I've heard people talk
<v Speaker 3>about saying, oh, the green the green people took them,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like that's been on my mind since that
<v Speaker 3>That's what originally made me write to you, because I
<v Speaker 3>know one of your other somebody else on your podcast
<v Speaker 3>had mentioned it. So that kind of you know, you know,
<v Speaker 3>made me think.
<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, absolutely, And it blows my mind in
<v Speaker 1>this day and age that this is still an unsolved mystery.
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think back to like Albert Einstein's
<v Speaker 1>theory of gravity, explaining gravity as it warps the curving
<v Speaker 1>in space and time. I mean, like, how did he
<v Speaker 1>know this in the early nineteen hundreds, and like we
<v Speaker 1>still can't figure out the cryptid subject today. It's like
<v Speaker 1>how do you how does he know all that and
<v Speaker 1>all that's out in the universe, out in space and
<v Speaker 1>we just can't figure this out. It's like, what the
<v Speaker 1>heck's going on?
<v Speaker 3>Man? I think we need to stop looking to authority
<v Speaker 3>figures for answers, I really do. I think that some
<v Speaker 3>of these questions are going to be solved by the
<v Speaker 3>people who put the effort in, and we don't have
<v Speaker 3>to necessarily put people on a pedestal and ask them
<v Speaker 3>like why is my government not telling me this or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>I think we're past that, you know. I think we
<v Speaker 3>can pretty much conclude that sometimes others don't have our
<v Speaker 3>best interests at play, you know, or in their in
<v Speaker 3>their mind when they when they do things that they do.
<v Speaker 3>You know, look a look at the waves that the DNA,
<v Speaker 3>you know, thing that they did for for Bigfoot. You know,
<v Speaker 3>like people pooh pooh that. I mean, like why, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>from everything that I've read and listened to about it,
<v Speaker 3>it seemed like they did everything they could legitimately, you know.
<v Speaker 3>And then it's like there's there's there's a group of
<v Speaker 3>people that don't want us to think that these things
<v Speaker 3>are real or happening or going on, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>like don't believe your eyes. It's it's like they're telling
<v Speaker 3>us like, don't believe what you you know, what you
<v Speaker 3>see like right in front of you.
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, that's for sure.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like all it would take is
<v Speaker 1>for somebody to go out there at the camera film
<v Speaker 1>these things and it's you know, it's solved. And that's
<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened with the Patterson footage. But still people
<v Speaker 1>are doubting. But like if somebody was at a crime
<v Speaker 1>scene and maybe they didn't even find any DNA of
<v Speaker 1>that person, but they were just a suspect, sometimes that's
<v Speaker 1>enough for them to be put behind bars for the
<v Speaker 1>rest of their life. And it happens quite often, Like
<v Speaker 1>people go to prison for something they didn't even do.
<v Speaker 1>So why is it that somebody can go out there
<v Speaker 1>and actually film one of these creatures. It's pretty darn
<v Speaker 1>clear for it being shot in the sixties and it
<v Speaker 1>not be proof, But somebody can go to prison for
<v Speaker 1>their entire life for something they didn't even do. Like,
<v Speaker 1>how's that enough?
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't even have to and it doesn't even have
<v Speaker 3>to be filmed. It's just the eyewitness account and it
<v Speaker 3>could put somebody away, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, oh yeah he said, she said, and you're you're
<v Speaker 2>done for life.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, uh, you do great work. Man, keep it up.
<v Speaker 2>You know, I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>I like, like listening to your show man, try to
<v Speaker 3>catch them as soon as they come out. So I
<v Speaker 3>appreciate you taking the time to listen to my stupid story.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 1>No, it wasn't stupid. And speaking to people like yourself
<v Speaker 1>is what makes me feel live. It's therapeutic. It reaffirms
<v Speaker 1>what I've encountered, and it just makes me feel live.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, you're I mean, I think you're doing a
<v Speaker 3>good service man, you know, and I like the way
<v Speaker 3>you go about it, So I appreciate it.
<v Speaker 1>Man, Well, I appreciate you. And yeah, I'm gonna let
<v Speaker 1>you go for now. If you encounter anything else in
<v Speaker 1>the future, definitely feel free to reach out to me.
<v Speaker 1>And I think you might. I hope you don't, but
<v Speaker 1>I think you will.
<v Speaker 3>Well, if I don't go back in the woods, you know.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm kind of hoping that won't happen. But
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I used I love I love hiking, I
<v Speaker 3>love being in the woods, man, and like this, this
<v Speaker 3>ruined it for me. You know, I've got equipment. I
<v Speaker 3>love bow hunting. Bow Hunting was my thing and I
<v Speaker 3>just can't. I can't do it. I can't do it anymore.
<v Speaker 3>You know, I haven't. I haven't sit in a tree
<v Speaker 3>standing in four years, man, And I get the urge,
<v Speaker 3>and then I always weasel my way out of you know,
<v Speaker 3>talk my way out of it, you know.
<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, it takes away the thrill of the hunt,
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you just lose interest in
<v Speaker 1>doing it because you know what's out there.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, nope, thanks a letting me go.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, thank you, Anthony, and I appreciate everything. You have
<v Speaker 1>an excellent day, and you'd be safe out there. Okay, okay, man,
<v Speaker 1>take care, yeah, take care. Thank you all for joining
<v Speaker 1>me on this un suddenly journey into the Virginia woods.
<v Speaker 1>Anthony's story reminds us that sometimes the things lurking just
<v Speaker 1>beyond the porch light aren't meant to be understood, only respected.
<v Speaker 1>Out there in the dark, in the trees above us,
<v Speaker 1>and in the silence around our homes, we truly never
<v Speaker 1>know what's watching. If you've had an encounter of your own,
<v Speaker 1>reach out and share it at Sasquatch Theory at outlook
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Your story might be the next one we
<v Speaker 1>bring into the light until the next time. Keep your
<v Speaker 1>fire burning, keep your senses sharp, and don't look away
<v Speaker 1>from the things that look back.