The California Air Resources Board touts all the savings you get from Cap and Trade

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Speaker 1: And very happy Monday to you.

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Speaker 2: At twelve oh six in the West, It's the John Phillips Show, Mister Randy Wanings in Culver City.

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Speaker 3: John, the incompetence is everywhere. A whistleblower at La County is now alleging that someone that worked in the Office of Emergency Management during the Eden fire was literally sleeping on the job.

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Speaker 2: What's his excuse? He was listening to public radio eight hundred two two two five two two two. Is the telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two two two. As I mentioned on Friday, I was in Arizona over the weekend watching a little spring training baseball. Saw the Angels beat the Seattle Mariners on Saturday, and saw the Dodgers beat the Cubs on Sunday over at the Cubs Stadium. Sloan Field is a miniature version of Wrigley Field food. By the way, if you're in Arizona looking for good ballpark food. And on Saturday there was no shade and the heat waves started rolling in Arizona, and I was out there because I got there early for four consecutive hours with no shade at all in the Arizona heat.

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Speaker 1: You chose this for yourself.

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Speaker 2: I went from Sondra to THEO over the course of one day, and of course I had a great time.

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Speaker 1: The Angels won.

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Speaker 2: The Angels won on Sunday, even though I wasn't there to see it thanks to my brother.

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Speaker 1: But I'm driving back.

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Speaker 2: And what's the last thing you do before you leave the state of Arizona and you re enter California.

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Speaker 1: I got to imagine, it's fill up, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Even though I was three quarters of the way full, I said, we're stopping in Courts Eye, and I am making sure to top it off because it is so much cheaper here than in the state of California. And I noticed a lot of cars with California plates doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I get to imagine, if you live in a place like Needles, you never buy gasoline in the state of California.

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Speaker 2: No, if you live in Needles, you live in blythe you live in any of those border cities, you definitely buy your gasoline in another state. And this is something that has been true for quite some time. We are getting gouged at the pump in California in ways that people who live in other states are not. And Cacra's Ashley Zavalla was trying to get to the bottom of just exactly why that's happening.

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Speaker 3: On Ashley Zavalla's Sunday show California Politics three point sixty that is now airing locally on Fox eleven in Los Angeles and KTVU Fox two in the Bay Area, as well as cars. Of course, she sat down with the new head of KARB to ask why they keep doing all this to us when it comes to the proposed cap and trade increases that may drive even more refiners out of the state. For more on this, we got a KCRA three and Ashley's Evalla cher Sanchez.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for making time for us today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Ashley really appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: So with the frustration from the oil industry saying that the capin invest proposal is too much, but then environmental groups saying that it's not doing enough.

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Speaker 4: I mean between now and the possible vote.

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Speaker 3: How do the environmental groups feel about the cap and invest money going towards high speed rail?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a slush fund to take care of their prize programs.

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Speaker 3: Let's not forget because it's so ridiculous. The California Air Resources Board last year decided to take Cap and Trade money, the money that makes it more expensive to buy gasoline here, and use it to give out vouchers for e bikes.

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Speaker 1: And what happened.

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Speaker 3: A whole bunch of parents got an e bike for their spoiled children and turned them into monsters. And when people supported cap and Trade, not me, not you, but when people in Sacramento and people around the state supported it, I think they thought that every time they paid more money at the POMP it would go to I don't know, planning a tree at Ecuador or something. No, the money goes into a pot in Sacramento where it's distributed to all of the favored projects.

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Speaker 6: I mean, between now and the possible vote in May, could there be changes to this.

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Speaker 7: It's a great question, Ashley, and I think it's really important to remember that we're in the middle of a regulatory process.

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Speaker 5: As you referenced.

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Speaker 7: Staff put out a draft proposal in January, and we've received public comment.

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Speaker 5: It just wrapped up this past.

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Speaker 2: Week because they totally listened to public comment. Oh yeah, they care deeply what you think.

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Speaker 7: And we're now working through all of the feedback and the public comment. My staff is meeting with yes, members of the oil industry and those environmental groups, but also utilities, food processors, you know, you name it, regulated entities and communities across the state to better understand how this proposal may affect them. And we have built in enough time for changes should those be deemed necessary, before bringing this proposal to the.

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Speaker 5: Board in May.

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Speaker 7: But you know one thing I want to underscore, Ashley, is the staff's proposal that was made public in January was really responsive to legislative direction from the bills that were passed last year.

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Speaker 3: And this is true for as much as you have members of the legislature now saying I can't believe KARB is doing this to us, I can't believe we're driving out even more refiners, the agency is just doing what the legislature ordered them to do with all the bills they passed last year. And mind you, this is the same crowd that says that they're focused like a laser on the cost of living in California. Yeah, you remember when Revis at the beginning of the legislative session last year said it's all about affordability, and they sure hit their target was really responding. He is the dimmest speaker that we've had in a really long time, isn't he? Yep, every time he steps in front of a microphone, he looks like a functioning illiterate.

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Speaker 7: Was really responsive to legislative direction from the bills that were passed last year, and we like to emphasize the balance that was struck between affordability and ambition, and a lot of the feedback we're getting, as you pointed out, is we either went too far in ambition or we're not thinking enough about affordability.

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Speaker 5: We need to go further faster.

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Speaker 7: So we're really looking forward to continuing to engage with stakeholders on their feedback and any changes that they're requesting.

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Speaker 6: The states remaining oil refined are sounding the alarm on the proposal, just as is. Chevron is calling the state's oil and gas situation a state of emergency that could collapse the industry because of the added cost because of the proposal, as is. I mean, our state leaders have a history of ignoring these warnings, but we did see two refiners now shut down within a matter of six months. I mean, will CARB be hearing them on this as a.

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Speaker 1: Okay, positive tape. Here.

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Speaker 2: There are two things that are true, and you have to keep this in mind before you listen to this woman answer the question. One is they seem to legitimately believe that threats of moving out of state, whether you're an individual or a business or hollow. When the SEIU was putting their initiative together to put on the ballot collecting signatures that was a wealth confiscation tax, and they heard that the billionaires would move out of state if they move forward with it, they thought that those threats were hollow. To this day, they're denying that that's happening. And when you live in North Korea here you can just say that's not happening, and I guess people will believe you. It doesn't matter what reality is. It just matters what comes out of your mouth and whether or not the people believe it. But they believe the same thing with the oil companies and the other businesses in California. You're never going to leave the state. We have a lock on you. You ending up in Texas or Florida never going to happen. And if you go into it believing that all of these companies are buffing you will behave accordingly, and that's what they're doing here. The other thing is when they talk about the cost of living, which you're seeing all of the candidates running for governor talking about. It's something they are paying lip service to, but they don't actually want to do anything about it because if they actually wanted to do something about it, it would impact their positions on other issues like cap and trade, which candidates running for governor outside of maybe the Republicans in Matt Mayhan believe that cap and trade is a scam. If you want to do something about the cost of living, that's one of the first things that you do. The second thing is going after the waste, fraud, and abuse, which the Republicans and Matt Mayhon are for, but the rest of them are not, because that would be taking money away from the privileged class, from the politically connected, from their peers, from the people who finance their campaigns.

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Speaker 1: They're never going to do that.

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Speaker 2: So unless and until you start seeing movement on those other subjects, they don't care about the cost of living, and that's worst case scenario where they don't care how much it costs to live here and they think that everyone is bluffing when they say, if you push too far, we're going to move out of the state. What you end up with is what we have right now in Sacramento.

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Speaker 6: As a maybe a change from what we've seen in years past.

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Speaker 7: So we've met with members of the refining industry. I myself have been meeting with the refiners again to understand how the proposal would affect them.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think it's how.

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Speaker 1: Much screaming is in those meetings. Oh, how much crying, you know.

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Speaker 7: I think it's really important that again that legislative direction that was given to CARB included an aspect of minimizing leakage, which means making sure that California businesses stay here in California.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've been doing a great job at that.

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Speaker 2: It seems like every time you click refresh, there's a new business moving out.

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Speaker 7: That is why the staff proposal is really status quo for the industrial sector. We did not change the allowance allocation for industry, including refiners. That said, we understand that given market challenges, market changes, just look at what's happened in the past week. Our refiners are asking for more support from this program. And that's a conversation that we look forward to continuing to have with them. I would also point out the administration has made it a goal to ensure that we have a managed transition and we're able to ensure fuel supply here in California remains reliable.

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Speaker 3: Well, if we had a plan, we wouldn't have seven dollars gas right now.

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Speaker 1: Nope, and that seven dollars gas is only going one way.

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Speaker 5: Remains reliable and affordable.

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Speaker 7: If you look at some legislation that was passed last year, that was really done in collaboration with all stakeholders, but especially the refiners, and we look forward again to continuing those conversations.

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Speaker 4: On reliability and affordability.

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Speaker 6: The oil industry has said this proposal essentially incentivizes companies to import even more fuel from other countries. I mean, something the state is already heavily relying on now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, something that the Chevron executive has been trying to put out there. And it's a really good point. You know, who doesn't pay cap and trade the importers?

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Speaker 2: Nope, And frequently that's what we use here in California, energy that comes from other places.

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Speaker 4: I mean, is that not concerning to you?

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Speaker 6: Given the war in Iran and the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz at this point.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I again would emphasize that the staff proposals really focused on supporting businesses here in California. That's why we didn't change that industrial allocation, and we've maintained a number of the cost containment measures in the program design.

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Speaker 5: Ashley, I should point out, as the.

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Speaker 7: Legislature was having the conversation about how to extend this program last year, it was supported by the industry.

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Speaker 3: And think and what she's talking about with extending was Cap and Trade, which originally got extended by Jerry Brown, was supposed to expire in twenty thirty and Gavin Newsom and the legislature extended it to twenty forty five, specifically so they could take a billion dollars a year of the money you're spending on gasoline and put it towards the high speed rail and know that billion dollars a year is not nearly enough funding for anything, including just the initial line.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know what the high speed rail has on the people in Sacramento, because if you just look at it on its face, it makes no sense for them to be so d to this program. For a train that doesn't exist unless there is something truly nefarious going on.

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Speaker 7: It was supported by the industry, the business industry here in California, and by labor voices in California, environmental business, environmental organizations in California. This program has a fifteen year track record of success.

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Speaker 1: Of define success. It's a jobs program.

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Speaker 3: Again, What was the climate benefit to giving out vouchers for e bikes? That didn't take one car off the road, and it just turned a whole bunch of teenagers into biker gangs of one.

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Speaker 7: It is one of our most cost effective climate policies. And as we think about the benefits that it has generated for the state, I mean, over thirty four billion dollars in investments up and down the state, affordable housing, accessible transit.

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Speaker 1: What does any of that have to do with cleaning the air?

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Speaker 2: Nothing, more subsidies for e bikes, more money being dumped into the bullet train. She said, the money's going to housing too, so they're turning that over to developers.

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Speaker 1: I guess YEP.

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Speaker 7: In investments up and down the state, affordable housing, accessible transit.

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Speaker 3: These are all the things that you're paying for every single time you fill up so.

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Speaker 2: Whatever damage it's being done to the environment is still being done. It's just they have more money to play with and that makes you feel good about it.

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Speaker 3: The whole idea, and it's a stupid idea, but the whole idea was, well, if companies pull, they should have to pay so we can plant some trees in the rainforest.

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Speaker 1: This is a little different than that.

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Speaker 2: Well, what they do is they expand the definition of what is green. It's like what Biden tried to do with the infrastructure bill. Well, childcare is infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not. That is a service that's provided that.

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Speaker 2: Is not a bridge or a road or an airport or whatever. And you just change the definition of something and then you can spend the money.

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Speaker 7: However, you want forest management and fire prevention.

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Speaker 1: Safest, well, we're really great at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ask the people the Pacific Palisades how that's working.

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Speaker 1: Out for us.

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Speaker 3: And the last five years of wildfires have wiped out all emission reductions from cap and trade in other programs orated organized by CARB over the last twenty years. Because we're so bad at managing our fires.

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Speaker 2: And don't forget the fire in the Pacific Palisade and Alta Dean is a different story. That's Southern California Edison in their drama.

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Speaker 1: But in the.

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Speaker 2: Pacific Palisades, that's on the city of Los Angeles, in the state of California. They're responsible for that damage. They're incompetence. So if you want to protect the environment, if you want to make sure that there's fewer emissions being released into the air, get your act together so you don't burn down a part of the largest city in the state.

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Speaker 7: Safe and affordable drinking water. I mean, these investments have been transformative for communities. You layer on top of that that the program has generated fifteen billion dollars bright the way.

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Speaker 3: With all of the money that Cap and Trade is supposed to spend on cleaning up the environment in the state of California, I would wonder why it's not something that CARB wants to put money into when it comes to I don't know, the environmental disaster down at the Tijuana River.

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Speaker 1: Who, Yeah, they ignore that, don't they.

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Speaker 3: Nobody in the jackermetto wants to talk about the Tijuana River except for Katie and Matt Mahon went down there too, but he did not do an ad with the gas mask right here.

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Speaker 2: Well, they don't want to do that because then they'd have to blame Mexico.

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot more of Ashley Zavala's full interview with the new chair of the California Air Resources Board as they try to explain what all of that money you're spending on gases going towards. Eight hundred two two two five two two two is jellphone number one eight hundred two two two five two two two. If you'd like to email the show, you can do so at Johnny Don't Like Joe at gmail dot com. That's Johnny Don't Like Show at gmail dot com and Randy. We received a number of emails from listeners who listen to the Fixed California Hour on Saturday on KMJ and Fresno. We do a best of of the Fixed California Hour and airs on Saturdays at noon on Kmjanfresno. That is a clear channel station since the three call letters, which means that signal's massive, and you can pick it up in Ventura County, you can pick it up in southern parts of the Bay Area, so check it out for yourself Saturdays at noon. The most heavily promoted best of in radio history. The fixed California our replay on KMJ eight hundred two two two five two two two is telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two two two. If you'd like to email the show, you can do so at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. That's Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. And Randy earmonitoring the mail bag, Will writes in at Johnny, don't like show at gmail dot com. I wonder if is it any wonder that California scumbags like Gavin Newsom love imports. It's much easier for California bureaucrats to launder oil importers kickbacks than bribes offered by on shore American oil tycoons.

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Speaker 2: We may have a series of governors who like to import things. You have Gavin Newsom who likes to import oil from other countries. You have Eric Swalwell, who likes to import spies and nail them.

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Speaker 1: What's next? All right, let's go back to.

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Speaker 2: Ashley' zuvalla and are sit down with the director of carb Layer.

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Speaker 7: On top of that that the program has generated fifteen billion dollars in utility.

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Speaker 3: Bill rebates, and yes, because PG and E and so cal Edison bills are so affordable. What she's talking about is that one time a year in April where you get like seventy dollars off of your electric bill woo oi, and they put cap and Trade all over it to try to trick you into thinking that it's actually saving you money. I'm pretty sure all the other increased costs of everything that are related to cap and trade outweigh the seventy dollars.

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Speaker 7: And yes, gas prices are a top concern for Californians, as are utility bills.

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Speaker 3: So the fact yes, but what does the California Public Utilities Commission do? They approved six PG and E rat increases in one year, because why not?

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Speaker 5: The fact that this program is helping on energy affordability.

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Speaker 2: Is no, No, it's not here in North Korea, we can say it, and I guess that can be printed places, but anyone who actually lives here and pays bills here knows that's not true.

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Speaker 5: It's also very paramount.

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Speaker 7: All of that said, we understand we are getting feedback that the staff proposal does not go far enough to really ensure that we are supporting those California businesses we look forward to the data and the justification on that issue.

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Speaker 6: But I guess to clarify, if the war in Iran persists, will that change the course of this proposal?

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Speaker 7: The war in Iran and you know the latest federal lawsuits attacking California. I mean, there are a number of global events, federal events that we are taking into consideration as a part of this process and this regulation that is coming to the Airboard.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if this thing's still going on by the time these regulations take place in May, we might be up to nine or ten dollars gas.

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Speaker 2: But okay, keep in mind, all she cares about is making sure that Gavin Newsom stays viable as a presidential candidate and that the unions get the money they want out of this. Because when you're talking about high speed rail, don't forget they regard that as a jobs program. So she's there to take care of certain groups of people and certain individuals like Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 7: This regulation that is coming to the Airboard again, it's not coming to the Board until the end of May, so we've built in time for some of these really important conversations and analysis to continue.

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Speaker 4: But just overall, broadly on this.

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Speaker 6: I mean, as the leader of the person of the group that's tasked with cleaning California's air meeting the environmental goals, I mean, what good are these goals if the state is so heavily relying on fuel that's produced in other countries and then put onto ships to pollute the air not necessarily in our state, but outside of it.

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Speaker 3: It's the same atmosphere whether the oil is drilled here or in Bangladesh.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's what it is. You're just shifting the pollution to someplace else because you are using that energy that you deem to be not clean. You're just making sure that it's being produced in India and they have to deal with the consequences and you don't do it here. It's like people who consider themselves to be animal right for people who eat meat, and it's like, well, I didn't kill the animal. I get really upset when people go out hunting and they kill animals to eat. But if you buy it at the grocery store, you feel good about yourself because you didn't actually kill the animal.

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Speaker 1: Well, what's the difference. Animal is dying so you can have a steak.

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Speaker 3: Well, the difference probably is if you hunted it yourself. The meat's going to taste like buckshot.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's something that you know, we give a lot of thought too, through both the Captain and Best program and the Low Carbon Fuel Standard. And it's why you know again that legislative direction to minimize leakage is really important to the work CARB does more broadly making sure that the benefits of our regulations and our policies and our programs.

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Speaker 5: Outweigh any costs.

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Speaker 7: But actually, as you pointed out, you know, tasked with cleaning the air, eighteen million Californians still breathe unhealthy air every year.

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Speaker 5: If you look at them, that's.

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Speaker 1: Half the state. And you consider what you're doing with success. Huh.

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Speaker 3: As much as they want to say that tailpipe emissions are the biggest driver of those toxic levels in the air, it actually has been massively outweighed by wildfires.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: One wildfire can counteract any public policies coming out of Sacramento over the course of years.

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Speaker 7: If you look at the weather forecast for next week, your forecast to hits ninety degrees in Sacramento for the first time in March, that is unprecedented. We know that the legislature.

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Speaker 3: Why the West Sacramento As are going to have a really fun beginning to their season.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to four games up there this year.

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Speaker 7: Oh boy, for the first time in March. That is unprecedented. We know that the legislature, over bipartisan administrations, has tasked the air board with moving forward and striking the right balance between Yeah, as.

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Speaker 3: Much as you know, Gavin gets a lot of flak for extending this program and Jerry Brown gets a lot of flak for extending this program.

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Speaker 1: This was a Schwarzenegger program. Oh yes, a gift from Arnold.

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Speaker 7: Costs and benefits and supporting California businesses going forward.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned and you've been mentioning.

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Speaker 6: That you're really you're your job. You you've just taken from the legislature. Essentially, you were directed by state lawmakers to carry out this rulemaking process up when it comes to cap and invest, Several Democratic lawmakers who voted for that, who voted to direct you to do this work, are now asking you to go back to the drawing board essentially on this proposal when it comes to energy.

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Speaker 4: What's your reaction to that.

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Speaker 7: I take that feedback with deep humility and deep gratitude. You know, I'm grateful that the legislature and their engagement doesn't stop it just passing the bill and the governor signing it, but rather throughout the implementation process and the regulatory process that they're staying engaged.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an election year. Oh yes.

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Speaker 2: If it wasn't an election year, she'd have nothing but green lights.

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Speaker 3: And there are a lot of issues that Californians don't really pay attention to, but even the average California voter is not going to just ignore seven dollars gas.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think part of it is kabuki. What the legislature wants is they want to be on the record saying they opposed this, but they already told her to do it. She was appointed by Newsome with the understanding that she would do things like this, And what the legislature can do is then they can say, well, don't blame me. I came out publicly against it. She was the one who did it, so they can use her as the fall guy. They can turn her into the bad guy because she never has to put her name on the ballot. She just has to keep them happy to get reappointed.

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Speaker 7: You know, we want to make sure that the ultimately the proposal that comes to the board is responsive to legislative direction and really how they intended the program to work.

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Speaker 5: So you know, I've seen that letter.

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Speaker 7: I've received a number of other letters on other sets of issues and where you know, the whole team is looking at that feedback and again thinking about how the proposal moves forward.

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Speaker 6: I know you mentioned the benefits of cap and invest over the next twenty years.

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Speaker 4: I know Carbon has analyzed the.

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Speaker 6: Health savings, electricity bill savings.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget that high speed rail.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's why it's so easy and cheap to get from LA to San Francisco in two hours.

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Speaker 3: It can actually do it in one hour on a flight forty five minutes Burbank TOFO.

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Speaker 6: But for years now, lawmakers and both political parties have been urging you to be more upfront with a direct costs to consumers, especially when it comes to gas prices.

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Speaker 4: I mean, will you do that?

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Speaker 6: I mean, do you plan to explain to people once this proposal maybe is finalized, how that will directly impact them at the pump?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, gas prices from this program and the pass through from oil companies to consumers are reported on the website of the California Energy Commission.

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Speaker 5: You can go look today it is twenty four cents per gallon.

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Speaker 1: It's a little higher than that.

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Speaker 2: Didn't they give pushback at some point in the past when they were not providing us with accurate information and they said it was too difficult to provide something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: Sounds very California to me.

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Speaker 5: But again, that cost.

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Speaker 7: To consumers and gas prices has already come back to Californians in the form of all of those benefits that I explained earlier.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's benefits you just said that fifty percent of the air is unhealthy, there is no bullet train, and the e bikes are terrorizing old people all over the beaches.

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Speaker 3: You have it in April, you're going to get seventy dollars off your PG and email woohoo.

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Speaker 7: Explained earlier. Whether it's the investments in affordable housing and accessible transit.

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Speaker 1: Boy, she's a robot, isn't she. You have to be to take this job.

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Speaker 5: Incentives for clean cars and trucks for farming.

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Speaker 3: You don't get on And by the way, good get on, Ashley, because usually this organization doesn't speak. But there's a special kind of cat that wants to be a statewide bureaucrat.

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Speaker 1: Oh, think about it.

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Speaker 2: You go to school, you get educated in public policy or whatever she has or degrees in. You come out you want to work in government, and they say to you, hey, you want to be a political appointee where you have to make a lot of decisions. They're going to piss everyone off. But then the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is you get to be the fall guye because we want you to do that, but we don't want to take all the heat for it, so we're going to blame you. Wink wink, nod nod, and then everyone's going to hate you. And she goes sign me up.

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Speaker 7: Incentives for clean cars and trucks, for farming equipment, energy home rebates, and those utility bill credits. And again, if you look at.

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Speaker 3: The stack, if you asked Californians today, would they want all of that or lower gas prices?

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Speaker 2: What do you think they'd say? You're one hundred percent right, Randy. This is why they never speak to the public. This is why they never speak to the press, because this is how they come off.

00:29:56
Speaker 3: Again, if you look at the this is by the way the full unedited inner that they post on the YouTube, I think the TV show that airs all up and down the state only at half of this interview, and it is fascinating again if you.

00:30:11
Speaker 7: Look at the staff proposal. I actually would like to emphasize as well that the scenario Staff put forward is twenty billion dollars less costly than scenarios that were analyzed in April of twenty twenty four when we.

00:30:23
Speaker 5: Started this rule making.

00:30:25
Speaker 7: That is our board and our staff really being responsive to, you know, concerns about costs of our regulation. So we're moving forward with the least costly scenario that we move forward and will continue to.

00:30:38
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:30:39
Speaker 1: This is how they always sell it.

00:30:41
Speaker 2: When Jerry Brown re up cap and trade, he said, even though it's going to cost you more at the plump, if you don't cut this deal, I'm going to do something so draconian that it's going to cost you even more. And so they always put a gun to your head. So when you complain about the cost, they go.

00:31:00
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. The alternative was we would hoes you even more, you.

00:31:06
Speaker 7: Know, emphasize the benefits of this program. In addition, to the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund and those tility bill.

00:31:13
Speaker 3: Rebatest boy, she keeps telling everyone about the utility bill rebates like anybody cares.

00:31:21
Speaker 2: No what's going on is they must have a PR person, they must have a communications arm that's telling her that these are poll tested programs. These are programs that the public approves of. So just keep repeating it over and over and over again.

00:31:38
Speaker 7: It's one hundred and twenty three billion dollars in avoided health costs for Californians. Obviously the cost of health cost insurance costs top of mind as well.

00:31:48
Speaker 6: All Right, Cher Sanchez, before we let you go, I mean we should acknowledge you're new in this role. I mean, how how has it been? I mean, are has it been a challenging beginning to this.

00:31:59
Speaker 7: New Thank you, Ashley, I appreciate that question again, deep humility, deep gratitude that you know the.

00:32:06
Speaker 1: The same words that Gavin uses. Have you noticed that?

00:32:09
Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll have time to get to it, but I kid you not. At the end of this interview, she says Mindful is using Gavin's PR flax. She's using whoever it is that coaches Gavin is coaching this woman.

00:32:27
Speaker 7: Deep humility, deep gratitude that you know the governors entrusted me in this role, and I have two mentors, my predecessors who had this role before me, and a phenomenal team, an engaged legislature, and really looking forward to continuing to build partnerships with stakeholders of all stripes.

00:32:47
Speaker 5: I've been telling my team the one of our mantras is a big tent.

00:32:51
Speaker 7: We know that it is going to take all of us to tackle climate change and tackle air pollution and do it in a way that is really mindful of affordability.

00:32:59
Speaker 1: So got it. Yep, they're coaching her.

00:33:04
Speaker 3: By the way, her name is Lauren Sanchez, and Gavin appointed her in September.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: Not the one that's married to Jeff Bezos. Different. Lauren Sanchez is.

00:33:14
Speaker 7: Really mindful of affordability. So we look forward to the ongoing work at the board this year.

00:33:19
Speaker 4: All right, Cheer Sanchez. Thank you so much for your time and insight. We appreciate it.

00:33:22
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Ashley.

00:33:23
Speaker 1: You take care there you go.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: By the way, she used to be the senior advisor to the Special Presidential Envoy for Climate in the Biden administration.

00:33:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sounds like a political hack. Eight hundred two two two five two two two is the telephone number one, eight hundred two two two five two two two. Let's go to the phones and welcome Joseph and Los Angeles. Joseph, Hello, Hello.

00:33:53
Speaker 8: Yes, these environmental groups push a little too far, and you know, they just make things so costly. And if you look at California, energy independence and diverse use of energy is so critical to one keeping our economy going. And we've got one of the top economies in the world, and if we weren't out of energy, we're in big trouble. And also from a national security risk standpoint, we're a border state, the oceans of border. We've got a border along Mexico. And if we don't have diverse use of energy, if we're all electric, it's easy to take down electric grid within a couple of days. We wouldn't be able to cook, you know, we wouldn't be able to cook or drive or do anything. And we can be attacked. And I have friends in the military that say that is one true that you know, all electric is national security risk. And so these guys are playing with our economy, they're playing with their security all for their little agenda. And if we lose these these oil companies, yeah, we could be one hundred percent energy independent because we've got all the oil and everything to keep us going. And Nellie doesn't impact California, but also Nevada in Arizona because they get oil from us. So these are big, big issues they're just playing with and it's just not right. So they need to be resolved well.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: And here's what's stupid about it too. They're trying to create something through regulation. They think that if they just make it enough of a pain in the ass for people to use oil, that they'll start looking for alternatives. And that's not how new industries emerge. New industries emerge because they're able to do it better and cheaper than what already exists. And I can't recommend this book enough. I read the Walter Isaacson biography on Elon Musk, and Musk spends a lot of time in the book talking about this. He believes that we need to be energy independent, and he believes that the cheapest and best way of doing that is by harnessing the energy produced by the Sun. And part of what SpaceX is doing and part of what he's spending a lot of his time on is trying to figure out how to do that, and he believes that the ultimate way, the best way to do it, is to shoot satellites up into the space, up into the sky and then harness the power of the Sun and send it back to Earth, so that way the roof of your house doesn't look like Michael Gorbachev's head where you have this big, ugly blotch on it. And those aren't as efficient as we need them to be to run a state like California or a country like the United States. But he believes that the sun is the answer to the question and that by shooting satellites in the space that bring that energy back is the best way to do it. And if so, then playing around with cap and trade isn't going to make one bit of difference at all in terms of making sure that we're energy independent. Thank you for the call, sir. Let's go to Robert and Santa Clara.

00:36:58
Speaker 9: Robert, Hello, Yeah, I don't think the economy is good when you can keep your home. Let's let's uh, we're gonna have a wal hot summer because of mister warm and buffet blowing out our water up north, and we just don't have the water. I mean, this campetry is inflator. They're all involved with this, but it's really sad because I'm really worried about water even more, just as much as fuel. I'm glad that Trump's common daring in the name of what is it, national defense, getting the drilling going. We got to keep oil in these pipelines that they're gonna get clogged, and it's good to relieve a little system pressure coming out of the Monterey Shelf to avoid they've even done studies and you're gonna have so much sea.

00:37:39
Speaker 1: I'm up against a heartbreak. We gotta go, but thank you for the call.