Matt Barnes on Delivering Happiness with Nick Turturro

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Speaker 1: What's going on, Matt?

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Speaker 2: Oh ship, big guy, how are you doing? What are you doing your place? Yeah, it's our studio. You live in pizzas?

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, what they do? I got like a show, but I was smelling a weed.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, my bad, no.

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Speaker 1: Good weed, gall more a cigar gay.

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Speaker 2: But you're making pe this is your company?

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, this is kind of my company a little bit, a little small, small part.

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Speaker 4: Now, so you went from acting to delivering pizzas like an influencer now yeah that one.

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Speaker 1: Not an influence. I hate that word. Okay, don't call me an influencer. So what's the spot, Matt?

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Speaker 4: So this is all the smoke studios. Man, We got this maybe two years ago. So we shoot a few different shows in here. Offices are upstairs.

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Speaker 2: Man. You started here trying to live the life. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a good show. I like you, guys.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I like I remember you was with Showtime, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We used to film at the same at Amlica in Santa Monica. Yeah, back when you were doing your show.

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Speaker 3: Malchael Right, yeah, yeah, you had that spot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we have We actually got some Malcola and Malcolm females that came along with us to the new company.

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Speaker 1: They tell me you're a pizza guy.

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Speaker 2: I am. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: What's your style of pizza?

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Speaker 4: I can do a combination minus mushrooms and onions, or I could just do regular pepperoni.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is heavy duty pepperonek the cool. It's a spicy spring and no one cuts the pepperoni like us. The guy that created it, he takes pride in, you know, cutting it individually.

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Speaker 2: Oh does he?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I like to you know what I like to do.

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Speaker 3: I like to actually I like to take the pepperoni off and just pick that.

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Speaker 2: Eat them separately. Huh yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I eat this pizza so much, you know, I gotta come out of my ears. But like, what's your go to slices? Oh, if you have like a go to pizzai M.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Norcow guy. So there's a restaurant called round Table that I like. That's probably my go too. But this is like it it's good. Yeah, yeah, this is real good.

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Speaker 1: It's a meal. But you know what I mean, I mean it's.

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Speaker 4: Stick too, Like you don't have I can't probably eat like five or six of these.

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Speaker 2: I could probably maybe two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I gotta be high to eat that many.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you guys smoke it up here right a little bit. I'm a cigar guy, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you a funny thing about we because I had a brother that he was like a professional pot smoker, you know. But back in the day, I never really got high. So when I was a kid, one time, these guys in Long Island were doing bongs, you know, yeah, and I, like I said, I never I was kind of sensitive when I was a kid, So I did like a bong hit and was.

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Speaker 4: A small There was a gravity box, like a gravity bong. Oh yeah, those will lay you down.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you could estimate, like what happened to me, Like I did the hit with the bong, and something happened, like the air got.

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Speaker 1: Stuck right here. I swear to god, I was walking around.

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Speaker 2: In two days like this with almost a stiff back. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't rise up. I was having a party at my house. My parents were away, and I'm walking around the whole party like that. Everybody's like, what Nick, what happened?

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Speaker 1: I go, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I did a bong and I couldn't get back. It took me like two or three days to rise from whatever the air got caught.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't okay.

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Speaker 1: I just things would happen in it, like I would do something.

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Speaker 2: So that was the first and last time.

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Speaker 1: That was it.

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just I was like, I'm not for you, not for me. Yeah, I tried to like people like hit through a hit and I'm like, you high. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm high.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, but you know what, you haven't haven't tried though, And with all due respect, we have different kind of weed.

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Speaker 2: Out here in California, like what or New York.

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Speaker 4: It's probably cool now, but back in the day, you're probably smoking some bullshit.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: You might be right.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little different out here now.

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Speaker 4: So maybe one day, not today, we don't have to force it, but maybe one day we'll sit down and grab a pizza and I'll introduce you to something you might like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, you know, I gotta watch with those cookies and things.

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Speaker 2: No, we don't do none of that old school just joints.

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Speaker 1: I know because one time his friend gave me some kind.

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Speaker 3: Of ship, and he's like a little skinny guy and he's like, don't worry, it's just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I need it myself.

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Speaker 3: And I eat a little bit of ship and then like clock in the morning, I'm I'm pacing, I'm like hyper ventilating.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I called the sucker up. I go, what'd you do? What'd you do? Nor so nor thing? He goes to write it out right out out, write what out? Write your head out?

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Speaker 3: I go on, I'm like ready to jump out the windows.

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Speaker 4: So like me and you know that next show, I'm a teacher how to smoke. Well, I'll come back and teacher.

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Speaker 1: That would be fun.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it a minute.

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Speaker 1: I would love that.

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Speaker 3: Man, You've had great, great career and now another career doing this year and Steven, how much fun you haven't doing this?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a blessing.

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Speaker 4: I feel like to be able to play, you know, fifteen years professional basketball and then transition into media and then learn a lot of media and then be able to start a own media company. It's been I've been living a dream. I feel like I've you know, never worked a day in my life. I got to play basketball for a living, and now I get to, you know, create content for a living. Like you said, not an influencer, but being able to create content and tell stories and sit down with new interesting people.

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Speaker 2: It's been fun. Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: I mean the thing is was, you know, you guys with stars, but like not superstars. So in a way it's kind of good because sometimes when people are too big, you know, their after life is sort of like it's like, how do you live up to being I was listening to Brady yesterday. I'm like Tom Brady and now you're hearing them and I'm like, it's kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: But like you guys, well.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we're more I mean, i'll speak for myself, like more of a kind of a blue collar NBA guy. So I was kind of someone that was very relatable to everyone else that my journey was tough. It was, you know, every day about the lunch, pale and hard had to work. And I was just that kind of type of person. So I kind of feel for me to be able to transition into the space and show shit, if I can do it, me and Jack can do it, anybody can do it. We were one of the original maybe first one or two of these basketball podcast sports podcasts, and now.

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Speaker 2: There's hundreds, if not thousands of them now.

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Speaker 4: So you know, we've been very lucky to be able to kind of maintain our position and create continue to raise the bar in this space.

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Speaker 2: And like I said earlier, just enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, you were a big basketball guy. Growing up with you was like a big I was.

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Speaker 2: I was an athlete growing up. I played.

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Speaker 4: Every sport growing up high school. I played football, baseball, basketball, track. So I went from season to season sports to sport All American and football basketball.

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Speaker 2: But really just as a kid.

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Speaker 4: And what I what I feel bad that, you know my kids missed was we just played outside. You know that we played outside all day from the morning until until the street lights came on. So I was just an athlete that love to play whatever sport was.

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Speaker 3: Time ago, I saw you had softball years ago on Corny Island and I was playing in some celebrity game the first time I met you and you you clocked it with a cyclone.

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Speaker 4: That was the memory was raining that day, right, Yeah, yeah, now I do remember that game.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yeah, No, I played. I mean I love sports.

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Speaker 1: You know, play competitive baseball.

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Speaker 2: I can played.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I played baseball through high school, football all through high school.

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Speaker 2: Basketball through high school, not the sport.

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Speaker 4: What would you say, I say, the hardest thing to do is probably hit a ball, hit a baseball. I say, the most athletic thing you know you can do is is probably play basketball because you got to be able to have a lot of different movements and then obviously the speed and the physicality of football. But I think, you know, agatting kids nowadays only play one sport and you kind of, you know, major in that sport as a child. But I feel a little bit from every sport helped me become, you know, a professional basketball player.

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Speaker 3: You know, did anybody ever intimidate you, like as far as like, not intimidate, but like who you like? I mean, I know you're a professional and you belong there and you can hang, but like when you were playing, did you ever find yourself like in awe?

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Speaker 1: In awe of a couple.

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Speaker 4: Of I'd probably get that out of the way before the game, you know what I mean. But you know, the first time I missed MJ by year, you know, so, and then I got a chance to play against Kobe as he was a young croll with the Lakers and while I was at UCLA. So probably guys that was kind of in awe in of when it kind of first happened.

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Speaker 2: Was probably like a Tim duncan you know.

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Speaker 4: Obviously Lebron he was incredible, and again I got a you know deal, I had to deal with Kobe before I got for the pros. But obviously matching up against Kobe was was really fun. You know, someone like Vince Carter seeing how incredibly athletic he is at a young age was kind of like an awe experience. But you know, as an athlete, that's something you can't show, you know what I mean, because they'll tear your head out there, look for any sign, especially in my era, they look for any sign of weakness or blood and they attack. So all that shit that I thought happened before the game.

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Speaker 1: And you were you were set of a lockdown defensive guy.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I tried to play a little bit of defense out there.

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Speaker 1: Who did you give a hard time to? Who? Like, you know, did you shut down? Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Mean my job, I had such an amazing job. I mean, every single night I can guard Kobe Lebron, Kevin Garnett, Carmelo, Anthony Dwyane Wade, Jenoblee, Paul Pierce, Tracy McGrady, like every single night. It was because I played in the era where the twos and threes were the guys that were going ray Allen. So every single night I had my hands full. And again, what I'd like to score more points. It took more shots in my career, yeah, but I just found it so rewarding and every single night, like I didn't go out there saying, man, I want to score twenty. Man I got you know, I got cold tonight. Man, I got Carmelo tonight, you know what I mean. So I'm gonna make him work for everything he's got. You know, nothing will be easy. And you know, great offense always beats good defense.

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Speaker 2: But two o three two three.

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Speaker 3: So you you were a fan like what in the nineties eighties?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up watching you know, Magic Johnson in the showtime Lakers Boston, a young Mike Detroit. So I came up in the era of basketball was really physical. And then I was a football fan. So I loved the forty nine ers, and I was watching Montana and Rice and and and those journeys, and then baseball fan. I was then A's fan and the Yankee fan, so you know, from the Maddingly side on the Yankee side to you know, the Konseka Maguire era with the A's. So again, whatever, whatever season it was, that's what sport I was playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the swinging age, the early seven.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're a little before my time, but they were good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: I liked them because I fell in love with their colors and they all had mustaches.

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Speaker 1: They look like the village people.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, what what's going on with your team right now? What's going off the Yankees?

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Speaker 3: The Yankees have become more of a brand, more of a corporate sort of animal. I mean they've you know, I had two great runs. I say maybe as a fan a third person, Yeah, I could say in the third person. I mean seventy six we won a Pennant, seventy seven, seventy eight when Reggie came and I saw Reggie hit three homers. I was at a lot of those great games Greg Nettle's I remember this stuff specifically. And then in the nineties ninety six, ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand. I was at all those championship winning games. I mean I was against the Braves, against the Mets, I mean against the Padres.

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Speaker 1: I was there out in San Diego ninety eight. But we haven't won much in the last twenty twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: I mean championships one since nine, So in twenty twenty five years one isn't really cutting it. And we make this, you know, the regularly we make the playoffs, but you know it's warded down now. It's a lot easier to get in the dance now. But they haven't had like a great team. They've had like good teams, but they're just missing. I don't know, they're not the same they're not run the same way. They're more like sell out. You know, they get in there, but they can't get it done. A couple of years ago, and said Dodgers they had.

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Speaker 2: A shot, and was going to ask how heart breaking was that?

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Speaker 3: It was tough when they lost the first game? Was the way they lost the game? I thought that was the series. Sometimes in baseball.

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Speaker 4: One moment momentum.

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Speaker 3: And once it turns once like the baseball guards come out, you kind of know, like this smells ugly, and I was that game they almost got swept in one game four. In game five, were up five nothing, five nothing. You think Cole's pitching light, it's out right, you got And I'm sitting in these luxury seats. I never leave my seat. I'm superstitious. I go to the freaking restaurant and all of a sudden, I see Judge drop a ball and then I see another play and I run back out and bleeding.

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Speaker 1: It's too late. It's like base is loaded.

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Speaker 3: He strikes out two guys and a little ground ball guy doesn't cover first and Mookie Bets gets safe and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like five to one.

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, that's it walking over because I knew. I knew, like the smell of that it had turned well, you knew it was five five.

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Speaker 4: So it was your fault then, kind of yeah, I would I put the blame on.

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Speaker 2: You got to do your job, right, you.

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Speaker 4: Lucky if you're going to say we won this ship and oh, I take you.

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Speaker 2: Got to stay in here.

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Speaker 4: So you went because it was five or oh you went to go grab a bike to eat real quick? Did you even get your food?

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Speaker 3: That sounds like you and I kind of left it because I was looking at the TV in the in the restaurant, I was looking at it belief.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: People were bothering me, and I'm like, I go, I'm in a bad moved right now.

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Speaker 1: I passed Spike and Spike's passing me Spike Lee, you know, and he's passing me.

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Speaker 3: He's like and I'm like, all right, let me get back out there. And then I'm thinking, you know, I could I could actually make a dent that could stop the bleeding. That's the craziness of me watching it. You understand that as a sports fan. Absolutely psychologically, you like thinking, I could actually, I could do something to make this and.

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Speaker 1: This always work. Sometime it does, sometimes it does.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes momentum you've got to carry it into the next day. It sort of last year, Judge hits a home run against torontal Off the foul pole ties the game six y six, and then we win the game. You're thinking, boom's time tomorrow night, and what happens? They come back flat and I'm like, no carryover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see that carry over. That's the whole thing that's tough, you know about momentum.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the Yankees are probably giving you some gray hairs over the years.

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Speaker 1: Oh they have. I take it hard. I take it hard.

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Speaker 3: I mean people are like, you know, you're not on the team. I go, yeah, But you know, for me, it's.

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Speaker 4: Different now I can appreciate that. Again, obviously being an athlete, I'm on the complete other side, but I appreciate the diehard because you guys are tough to deal with. Either you love it, either they love you or they hate you for the support, you know what I mean. I heard you guys get a lot of friction online sometimes because you tell it how it is, you know what I mean, and you're telling it from a passionate love perspective of a fan's how I like that.

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Speaker 3: And I watched the game. I watched the nine innings. I'm there in the trenches.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't just show up for the glory, right.

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Speaker 3: It's just like even when I watched I started out playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: That was my first sport.

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Speaker 3: I didn't grow that was a little point guard. But I mean I was a fan. I'm a lot older of you than of the ABA.

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Speaker 2: Like I loved before the merge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the ABA, like the NBA, has been kind of calme a lot like the aba a lot of ways wide open, not as defensive anymore. Do you think like sports as a whole, even basketball. I feel this way about a lot of sports now, just it's not the same, doesn't have the same specialists.

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Speaker 1: It's a little warded down. Yeah, you feel that way.

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Speaker 4: I think the defense defense has has kind of been pulled back, and it's more about explosive offen you know, and because that sells tickets. And obviously I'm a defensive mind of guy, but people don't want to see the eighty three eighty four defensive battles or the you know, the the ten to seven football games, like we want to see five touchdowns, want to see Steph hit ten threes.

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Speaker 2: Like I think that sells.

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Speaker 4: And I think to your point, the Yankees being more of a business now, these leagues know what sells, you know, because sports is bigger than.

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Speaker 2: It's ever been.

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Speaker 4: It because it's consumed you know, also on your phone now. So to your point, I definitely don't think there's that same because I just think defense brought so much energy and passion to the game and now you're just cheering for well, my best defense is a good offense now, so we're just you know, people are just wishing for these high scoring games. So I think that that defense being taken out of it took the passion and kind of.

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Speaker 2: The heart out of the game almost so to speak.

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Speaker 1: So and you had to watch, you had to wait to see a game.

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Speaker 3: You know, not every game was televised all even like with baseball we only get forty games. We had sixty games, so not every game was in your living room. You know, you had to wait to see a game, or listen on the radio, or we would read the newspaper.

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Speaker 1: I used to look.

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Speaker 3: Forward to that, you know, the box scores, the newspaper.

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Speaker 1: Now everything's twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: My kids don't even watch games.

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Speaker 4: I tried to tell my twins are seventeen, to come watch a game, like, no, Dad, we'll just we'll see the highlights tomorrow. And they had like they watched like these little two to five minute like games of just but I watched the whole game, and I watched that shit. I'm like, oh, like it's really like watching the game is. I don't like it, but I understand it, right, So it's yeah. Times have change, man, Times has definitely changed.

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Speaker 1: You miss planned.

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Speaker 4: I don't I enjoyed my run. Unfortunately, I coach my kids now and I have, you know, more sons coming up the pipeline, So I think I kind of get my fix of wanting to play basketball through being able to, you know, coach them and teach them. So I think my my past time is an hour golf. I box sometimes, but that's kind of my athletic and I go to the gym a couple of days a week, so that's where I kind of get my fix. But I don't miss the game. I had a good time. I loved I never thought I would cross over the media, like I came from an era where we didn't really the media, you know what I mean, Because this is kind of I caught the end of at the beginning of social media. The end of my crew is the beginning of social media.

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Speaker 2: But for a.

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Speaker 4: Majority of my career, what the media says was the gospel, and we know how they twist and change stuff up.

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Speaker 2: So I wasn't a fan.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, someone kind of convinced me, if you don't like that, you know, be a part of changing it, right. So I jumped into space and found some luck and had fun with ESPN and Fox and when they you know, was able to create all the smoke and kind of change the narrative and how people tell their stories and listen to their stories and who they listened to them from. So yeah, it was something I never thought would happen, but it. You know, it's a tremendous blessing. You a fight fan, Yeah, I like, I like watching boxing and MMA, but I can't lie. I don't watch I'm not glued to the every fight. I watched the big fights. Yeah, but yeah, I mean I was someone who was, you know, known to swing or slap a.

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Speaker 2: Few people in my day.

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Speaker 4: So I definitely like boxing and MMA because you.

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Speaker 1: Were known as a little bit of an enforcer, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you can call it that.

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Speaker 4: But mine was just more like I came from a background where my dad. You know, if your brother and sister fight, don't care if they win, you better be involved. I'm gona whoop your ass. So everyone I looked at everyone as my teammates, as family, right, So it wasn't necessarily a force. It was almost kind of even if I was younger, it was almost on some big brother shit like you for me, You with him, you're gonna for me, you know what I mean. So it's just like it was kind of like all all or one or one for all. So yeah, I did mix it up. You know a few times in my career.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any fights in the NBA?

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say fights.

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Speaker 4: We've had some pushing matches because it cost I wish sometimes I wish I played back in the eighties where it would you know, cost you five thousand if you swung. But you know, I was getting suspended two or three games for pushing people and it would cost me a couple hundred thousand.

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Speaker 2: So it's just like, you know, it's swinging. Is it worth the swing? Right?

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe if you can catch them. I waited for a couple guys after the game so that it wasn't on the court, but it didn't materialize in anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good, right, shame you some money?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? About acting? You have acting before?

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Speaker 2: I've known, damios, I want to act. I think it'd be cool. Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've taken some acting classes before. So if you got something for me, let me know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just did a new movie, you just did a a a project, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a I did a I s I. I called it a cameo.

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Speaker 3: It was like one sequence in The Highest the Lowest with Denzel Yeah Washington and uh. I did my first movie with him, my first real movie, More by the Blue. So it's kind of funny fast.

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Speaker 2: Forward, like you how many years apart with that?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you're going back like over thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I remember being on screen with him, and I was like, I was such a nervous wreck just to be on screen.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know like how great he.

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Speaker 3: Was, which was kind of good. I kept telling my brother, cause we played brothers in it. I said, this guy's great.

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Speaker 1: He goes oh, yeah, he's He's becoming a big s. It was like it was better.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know right and then like I was out of my light, you know, like you have these lights, and Denzel told me, he goes hey, move over this way or something like that. So my brother goes hey. Then I was looking out for you, so.

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Speaker 2: You get a chance to talk to him. I did a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I did not the first day, like the first day, like I h I said, I could see he was in the in the zone. I was playing a Yankee fan on the subway, so I was kind of like locked in. And when you see somebody like that, you know, you could even attest to that. When somebody is great on the quarter on screen, it helps you kind of rise up. You gotta kind of rise you gotta bring your a game. So I was like locked in and I saw him on the subway. I'm like, oh, dude, he's here. And that kind of pumped me up, you know. So the next day he's looking at me and he like gives me a little fist pump. Then he goes starts doing my lines in the movie seven times seven, eight times eight.

00:20:41
Speaker 1: You remember that? Huh?

00:20:42
Speaker 3: He was, yeah, man, it was that was funny ship. And then we started talking a little bit and cool. Then we're talking sports on the train and him and Spike, and I guess he didn't know I was a baseball savan. He was like, oh, Nick knows his ship. He said, damn straight, I do. I said, you know, I started brought up the a b ass.

00:20:57
Speaker 1: I saw Doctor J with an Afro vintage Doctor J. You know, he was like, you did?

00:21:02
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, man, I saw the last game in the AB I remember against the Denver Nuggets at the Nassau Coliseum.

00:21:09
Speaker 2: What year.

00:21:09
Speaker 3: Was that like nineteen seventy six when the NBA, you know, they wanted Doctor j Oh they needed it, they needed it, and that was part of like the allure and the merger of grabbing those ABA teams. Well, that was a lot of great players in the ABA.

00:21:22
Speaker 4: We interviewed George Gervin and obviously they said, obviously what Magic and Bird did in the eighties was important to the game. It kind of made it name. But they feel like the ABA saved at the NBA. Yeah, with the trends, with the trends, uh.

00:21:36
Speaker 3: Because they brought that, they brought that flat, they brought that color, that that basketball was beautiful that it was decided.

00:21:43
Speaker 4: It was just a bunch of black mouffs out there flying around Duncan. That's what it was, Huh.

00:21:50
Speaker 1: But it was fun. The teams were fun, the colors were fun.

00:21:53
Speaker 3: It was the one renegade league that really had some like it had something like you know, they've tried it with all other ship but it's never sort of like lasting.

00:22:03
Speaker 1: So the NBA saw that and being the.

00:22:04
Speaker 3: Mafia that they are, they can crush the A B A because you know, you can't compete with the power of the NBA, but the ABA was fucking fun.

00:22:14
Speaker 4: Talent for talent, the ABA probably had more talent.

00:22:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you think of the guys that had no artist, Gilmour, Dan eSeL, David Thompson, Marvin Bonds. This guy named Marvin Bond. He was a wild guy. Played with a guy that I loved. He was Italian Ernie d. Gregorio. He was a great point guard with the Buffalo Braves. I mean there was one team that didn't come in that it was a good team. I never understood the Kentucky Colonels.

00:22:39
Speaker 2: They never remember hearing about them.

00:22:40
Speaker 4: What about the the Flint Tropics.

00:22:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Flint trop indeed, I mean the Saint Louis Spirits. That was that was a team that What was the deal that they made? Like they're still getting paid.

00:22:58
Speaker 1: Or some ship?

00:22:58
Speaker 4: Oh yeah up until recently, the Brothers, right, yeah, yeah, something about.

00:23:03
Speaker 2: The NBA was.

00:23:03
Speaker 3: I love these guys when they make those deals. Bobby boneir like he's getting paid for twenty five years, man, Why couldn't I get a fucking deal like that where I could be paid for like twenty five.

00:23:13
Speaker 4: Tonne stretched his money out right with the Dodgers, they stretched I don't know if it's for that long, but they stretched the money out too.

00:23:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pulling the Martins and move smart. Shit.

00:23:20
Speaker 4: What do you think about the way the Dodgers move and they just go similar to the Yankees used to move. If they wanted you, they're gonna go get you, no matter what the situation.

00:23:27
Speaker 3: You know what they're doing because they got a good nucleus, they got a good foundation, and from that foundation they just keep adding for the pieces. So then they're not fooling around. They're going for the gusto.

00:23:37
Speaker 4: They just picked up what's his name, Uh, Kyle Tucker?

00:23:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, another guy. I mean I heard they gave him like.

00:23:43
Speaker 3: A sixty million signing, Like how do you do that? And then they'll pay them one million a year. I don't know they're stretching the rules.

00:23:52
Speaker 2: Or creating them, but they're winning.

00:23:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're winning, and they're becoming like I mean, you know, the Dodgers are from you know, they was like the Little Brother.

00:24:00
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so would you say it's almost like if the Clippers moved away and came back and became the Dodgers type situation, that's what it is. Yankees would be the Lakers, so to speak, kind of kind of.

00:24:10
Speaker 3: But the thing the difference is the Dodgers they always had that kind of magic, even from Brooklyn from what I've heard, like Bropers, there was.

00:24:19
Speaker 1: Just the Clippers are still kind of.

00:24:20
Speaker 4: Like the Like the Mets, they've never found that.

00:24:23
Speaker 1: And then like the little brother, I mean, the Mets still have their their charm. Don't forget.

00:24:27
Speaker 3: Like the Mets are like the bastard child of the Dodgers and the Giants.

00:24:31
Speaker 1: They were three baseball teams.

00:24:32
Speaker 3: Those teams left New York, right, the Giants and the Dodgers, and they created like a child. That child that wedlock was the fucking Mets. They took all their colors. You look at them, the blue, the orange, the logo, that NY logo.

00:24:47
Speaker 1: That's the New York Giants logo.

00:24:48
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, the Mets logo.

00:24:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Yankee logo. That's the greatest logo in the history of sports. I mean, like, you go anywhere, you'll find a Yankee hat somewhere someplace.

00:24:59
Speaker 1: I'm I don't care. The Dodgers are the Dodgers, but.

00:25:02
Speaker 3: The Yankees are still like you know the Yankees. You know, the Yankees show up the stadium is fun. It's a different come out, fake fans come out, I know, right.

00:25:11
Speaker 4: Women, No matter what I mean being a Yankee, I think being a laker and what's the equivalentcy of are in football?

00:25:19
Speaker 2: Cowboy? Right?

00:25:20
Speaker 4: Like no matter there can be teams that have better runs or better but like when you think those particular sports, tho as a team, those are America's teams so to.

00:25:27
Speaker 3: Speak, right, You'll never you'll never live that down.

00:25:31
Speaker 1: You know, the Celtics were.

00:25:32
Speaker 4: Pretty That's a pretty high standard to live to every year though, because like anything less than the championship is us.

00:25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:25:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but you know what else is there? You play to win?

00:25:42
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you don't play the coming second place, third place.

00:25:45
Speaker 1: I mean that's a bunch of bullshit. You know. You see like they're.

00:25:48
Speaker 3: Giving trophies out and I'm like, you know, everybody's out to win.

00:25:53
Speaker 1: This isn't like you to lose.

00:25:55
Speaker 3: You know, like you're doing a movie, you're not you're trying to work together. We're working together on a movie. We're not trying to I'll do each other. But with sports, it's about bottom linings.

00:26:04
Speaker 1: Did you win?

00:26:05
Speaker 3: That's why, Like Derek Gittas everybody loved him because he.

00:26:07
Speaker 1: Was all about, hey, I want more rings, right, I mean.

00:26:11
Speaker 4: You got a ring, right, you got a ring winners.

00:26:14
Speaker 1: There's nothing like that, my man. Listen, thanks for doing this.

00:26:17
Speaker 4: Man, I appreciate it. Can I take some of these pizzas home.

00:26:19
Speaker 2: This is for you.

00:26:20
Speaker 1: It's good on the reheat.

00:26:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm good.

00:26:22
Speaker 1: I'm e. If you guys want it, well, you know, deliver someone.

00:26:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's let's figure out something we could really do. Yeah, I'm definitely down.

00:26:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, next time, a small weed with you, Right, but just don't get me sick.

00:26:34
Speaker 1: Just get me high in horny.

00:26:37
Speaker 2: Believe the horny part of someone else