Ep. 396: WWF In Your House: Buried Alive (Part 1)

<v Speaker 1>It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and carn
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<v Speaker 2>He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.
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<v Speaker 2>And it's the laps fan man like the one in
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<v Speaker 3>the bell goes in the kick like me throwing in
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<v Speaker 2>The crowd nodded in.
<v Speaker 3>His head like its Steve low Brown.
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<v Speaker 6>We've talked over the years, over ten years, as a
<v Speaker 6>matter of fact, of the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast about
<v Speaker 6>those times in wrestling where an angle invites you to
<v Speaker 6>consider mortality. You think of the chamber of horror. Someone's
<v Speaker 6>supposed to be dying in there, right, Yes, yes, And
<v Speaker 6>in nineteen ninety six, the World Wrestling Federation, desperate to
<v Speaker 6>find some hook that would reverse the rapidly sliding momentum
<v Speaker 6>in the ratings war against WCW, unearthed an idea pardon
<v Speaker 6>the pun that essentially called upon fans of the World
<v Speaker 6>Wrestling Federation, which was still sort of you know, kid
<v Speaker 6>centric at the time, to chant, to cheer.
<v Speaker 3>Although it was definitely it was definitely changing hand, no question,
<v Speaker 3>it was definitely on changing. I do love this period.
<v Speaker 3>I love this late ninety six. Yeah, bamly I digress.
<v Speaker 6>You keep going, got it out. They're doing plenty and
<v Speaker 6>we'll get to all of it. But these fans are
<v Speaker 6>asked to cheer, to excite, to revel in the possibility
<v Speaker 6>that when the Undertaker face is mankind and one of
<v Speaker 6>the hot feuds of nineteen ninety six, someone will be
<v Speaker 6>buried alive in Indianapolis.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the.
<v Speaker 6>People, well, boss, let's just say, when they asked, do
<v Speaker 6>you want to see someone buried alive? They don't respond
<v Speaker 6>in a way that gives you a lot of a
<v Speaker 6>lot of warm and fuzzies. About what lies in their hearts.
<v Speaker 6>They want to see mankind buried under dirt in this
<v Speaker 6>first ever buried.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I mean, that's the thing about it. I
<v Speaker 3>don't remember. I remember the I remember this match being
<v Speaker 3>it was so weird. I was still getting used to
<v Speaker 3>the idea of building up big, massive matches like this
<v Speaker 3>for in your house shows, Like, I get it, it's
<v Speaker 3>a pay per view and you got to do what
<v Speaker 3>you gotta do to to take it to the next level.
<v Speaker 3>But I was really it was weird to me. This
<v Speaker 3>to me is beeming more like a Survivor series match.
<v Speaker 3>I know it was obviously close to Halloween and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>so what made sense, But it I don't know. Something
<v Speaker 3>about it was like it just seemed weird to me
<v Speaker 3>at the time. I remember that, and all I remember,
<v Speaker 3>and the only match I remember is being hyped is
<v Speaker 3>the main event. I don't remember anything else on this card.
<v Speaker 3>And I do remember the uh, the one, the number
<v Speaker 3>one contender match, I remember that being hyped up. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>But everything else I don't remember a damn thing about it.
<v Speaker 6>Well, it's only a two hour in your house, it's
<v Speaker 6>not much more to remember anyway. But there was last
<v Speaker 6>minute changes you know that didn't even necessarily click with
<v Speaker 6>the build on the weekly Television ended up with right
<v Speaker 6>Mark Merriver's gold Dust, for instance, Instead of Mark Merrivers
<v Speaker 6>f Ruke, which is something with a bit of backstory,
<v Speaker 6>you had Steve Austin.
<v Speaker 3>You remember Mark. I don't remember Mark. Like that's the thing, Like,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can honestly say I pretty much remember
<v Speaker 3>a lot of this period, but I don't remember any
<v Speaker 3>of that shit.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it just got Steve Austin versus Savia Vega for
<v Speaker 6>the umpteenth time. Instead you had Austin triple h and
<v Speaker 6>I hers Helmsley at the time, And I ask you,
<v Speaker 6>are the people hungry yet for what Stone Cold is bringing?
<v Speaker 3>Do you hear it? Do you hear it? Oh? Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>oh yes, Are you starting to hear it? Yep, they're there,
<v Speaker 3>they're ready for it. Is this not the first show
<v Speaker 3>with the shattered glass? It is the first show with
<v Speaker 3>the shattered gloves? Yes, it is, it is, and it is.
<v Speaker 3>It is a remarkable thing to hear, like for Steve Austin,
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, to like to come out there and uh,
<v Speaker 3>to like here people there's not a big, a big
<v Speaker 3>group of them, but there are certainly number of people
<v Speaker 3>who are cheering him on as he comes out. It's there,
<v Speaker 3>I can hear it. It's there.
<v Speaker 6>It's wild, and especially there because he's against you know,
<v Speaker 6>a completely unlikable heel and Hunter Hurst Helsley, the blue
<v Speaker 6>Blood character. I'm not sure if he shared the ring
<v Speaker 6>with Savvia Vegas planned here on October twentieth, nineteen ninety six,
<v Speaker 6>that they would have necessarily been as favorably.
<v Speaker 3>Disclosed towards him. It's possible, but it was.
<v Speaker 6>It was nuts, those those green shoots of what would
<v Speaker 6>become the attitude of era engine starting to form. This
<v Speaker 6>is the last time we see the Undertaker in purple gloves,
<v Speaker 6>for instance, Yes, yes, as his hand reaches through the
<v Speaker 6>dirt after mankind successfully buries him alive and they pull
<v Speaker 6>that stunt off. But of course the closing scene, much
<v Speaker 6>like the Stephen King Carry story, is just this hand
<v Speaker 6>just bursting up into the night sky and it's a
<v Speaker 6>new time. By the time you see Undertaker again at
<v Speaker 6>Survivors series nineteenninety six in the garden, he's like dressed
<v Speaker 6>like a I don't know, a leather bat or something on.
<v Speaker 3>A right well, he's wearing the leather shit at that point,
<v Speaker 3>which eventually it's kind of funny how he would he
<v Speaker 3>wore this leather outfit and then that would go back
<v Speaker 3>to the gray gloves for like half of ninety seven,
<v Speaker 3>and then he would start wearing the Attitude era kind
<v Speaker 3>of GoF outfit. Yeah, that would evolve from then to
<v Speaker 3>two thousand.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's like ten of the It sounds like the
<v Speaker 6>end of the Undertaker being strictly a supernatural character into
<v Speaker 6>becoming actually like a title contender and a headline.
<v Speaker 3>Wrestler and you know, more human, I guess. Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he dies once again here at Buried Alive as mankind,
<v Speaker 6>you know, is now fully broken through as the top
<v Speaker 6>hand in WWF, after you know, there being some question
<v Speaker 6>how well he would do. I mean, he's told the
<v Speaker 6>story one hundred times about how much doubt there was
<v Speaker 6>in the front office about his his abilities. But coming
<v Speaker 6>off the Mind Games pay per view against Shawn Michaels,
<v Speaker 6>which of course we've done in the past and the archives,
<v Speaker 6>his first WWF main event really really really successful and
<v Speaker 6>really something that opened the eyes at WWAF management. He
<v Speaker 6>almost became and he's talked about this mcfoley, he's referred
<v Speaker 6>to himself jokingly as mister in your House there for
<v Speaker 6>a little while, the king of in your House, as
<v Speaker 6>he was a guy that would never get put on
<v Speaker 6>one of the big four top matches, right, but you
<v Speaker 6>could count on him to create a different vibe and
<v Speaker 6>energy and a sense of newness around the in your houses,
<v Speaker 6>which they always struggle to do.
<v Speaker 3>And this is no exception. Buried alive.
<v Speaker 6>This is the first pay per view of ninety six
<v Speaker 6>since Shawn wins the belt, for instance, where he does
<v Speaker 6>not defend the WWAF Championship.
<v Speaker 3>That's true, It is true. That's the well yet no, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>no internet incident. Oh well he's he doesn't wrestle on it. Okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's true. He doesn't wrestle at all. Like he doesn't
<v Speaker 3>well he doin't have champion is not featured on the
<v Speaker 3>pay per view. But that's a good point.
<v Speaker 6>He appearance, but he doesn't wrestle, not on the televised
<v Speaker 6>portion of it. Yes, he does wrestle gold Dust in
<v Speaker 6>the dark match they used to do, as we've talked
<v Speaker 6>about on these in your Houses. You know, just because
<v Speaker 6>the pay per view when it was two hours, doesn't
<v Speaker 6>mean the live ticket buyer would have been satisfied by
<v Speaker 6>just you know, four matches. Do a ton of pre
<v Speaker 6>and post matches with big name stars too.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I mean yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty well,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I mean well they do.
<v Speaker 7>They do have.
<v Speaker 3>Baron's blow Pork. Yeah, of course on the show as
<v Speaker 3>Stalker is there the corn Stalker. Yeah, huh.
<v Speaker 6>True, sweet fruittose corn Stalker high fruit whatever it is.
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, and Sean versus Goldust. Actually it emerges years
<v Speaker 6>later on a Shawn Michael's compilation DVD as one of
<v Speaker 6>those motion matches. Yeah, nothing's special, but a nice peek
<v Speaker 6>into what Shawn and Goldust were doing around the horn
<v Speaker 6>during the second half of Shawn Michael's first title run.
<v Speaker 6>You know, if you're not of the Garden or any
<v Speaker 6>number of house shows, it was likely you saw Sean
<v Speaker 6>versus Old Us, including a couple of ladder matches here
<v Speaker 6>and there for the championship.
<v Speaker 3>In terms about the end of the Road, I do
<v Speaker 3>remember hearing about these because that was the first time
<v Speaker 3>that the ww title was wrestled. If I'm not mistaken
<v Speaker 3>for the in the ladder match, it was contested in
<v Speaker 3>a ladder match that was not at least it didn't
<v Speaker 3>happen on pay per view or on television. That was
<v Speaker 3>always the Intercontinental Belt that was up for grabs at
<v Speaker 3>this point.
<v Speaker 6>And gold Ust pretty much. You know, if you just
<v Speaker 6>measured on who brought the most vitriol out of the crowd,
<v Speaker 6>the hottest heel in the company at the time. He
<v Speaker 6>wasn't headliner, but he was somebody that you could put
<v Speaker 6>on top on the road and you know, get the
<v Speaker 6>reaction out of a Shawn Michael's baby face title defense
<v Speaker 6>you were looking for in a heel. Then those matches
<v Speaker 6>were probably part of the Do you recall the WWF Big.
<v Speaker 3>Bang Boom Tour now?
<v Speaker 6>I do, now that you mention that it would show
<v Speaker 6>like that the World War Two, like rockets dropping out
<v Speaker 6>of the planes and stuff and archival footage. This isn't
<v Speaker 6>just brought to you by the World Wrestling Federation Buried Alive.
<v Speaker 6>It's also brought to you by PlayStation One featuring when
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<v Speaker 3>So it's funny. We were just talking about my family
<v Speaker 3>and I were just talking about how our dog reminds
<v Speaker 3>us of crash Bandicoot. I mean, is it like me.
<v Speaker 6>Does Crash Bandicoot make you feel a certain kind of way,
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean that's just wonderful stuff. Man, it's great,
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<v Speaker 3>days of PlayStation one. That's that right, There is something
<v Speaker 3>to consider.
<v Speaker 6>There's so much novelty to that game system, like what's
<v Speaker 6>it going to be? What what innovations will Sony bring
<v Speaker 6>to home console gaming? And Stubby versus The World was
<v Speaker 6>the first game I.
<v Speaker 7>Had on it.
<v Speaker 3>I've never actually had the regular I had the regular
<v Speaker 3>PlayStation for like two seconds before I said, you know what,
<v Speaker 3>I don't want anymore. I want to I want to
<v Speaker 3>end sixty four.
<v Speaker 6>Sure, and here's a probably even more white gives me
<v Speaker 6>the warm and fuzzies. We never actually bought the PS one.
<v Speaker 6>We actually realized one of the video stores near us
<v Speaker 6>allowed us to rent this system.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and so uh.
<v Speaker 6>Even more golden was that excitement of it's not ours,
<v Speaker 6>but we've got a weekend to make it everything it's worth.
<v Speaker 6>And it wasn't available every weekend. You had to luck
<v Speaker 6>out because they haven't limited exactly. I remember I remember
<v Speaker 6>renting a PlayStation because there was a game. A friend
<v Speaker 6>of mine and I loved the original Resident Evil game,
<v Speaker 6>like we get fucking obsessed with it in high school.
<v Speaker 8>And it uh.
<v Speaker 3>We we went out, we went out to get We
<v Speaker 3>went out in a snowstorm. Okay, it was a fucking
<v Speaker 3>a blizzard, all right, like a real start to the story,
<v Speaker 3>a real fucking blizzard, all right. Well, you couldn't see
<v Speaker 3>more than ten feet in front of you. And so
<v Speaker 3>he and I are driving in this because some reason,
<v Speaker 3>this is a good idea to us that we need
<v Speaker 3>to We were so in need of playing Resident Evil
<v Speaker 3>because I'd played it at my cousin's house who had
<v Speaker 3>a PlayStation, and I needed it now now we both
<v Speaker 3>needed to play it. And so we drive probably fifteen
<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes in just the worst fucking weather you could
<v Speaker 3>possibly imagine, and we get to a Blockbuster, and the
<v Speaker 3>Blockbuster had a PS one available to rent, Jesus, and
<v Speaker 3>so we were there and ready to do it until
<v Speaker 3>we found out that you needed to put down a
<v Speaker 3>one hundred dollars deposit. Yeah, they weren't having this. I
<v Speaker 3>can't it, of course, not, of course, not not at all.
<v Speaker 3>And so you know, but we didn't know that at
<v Speaker 3>the time, we just thought, hey, you know, we can
<v Speaker 3>rent it and know we're idiots and we so, but
<v Speaker 3>they were like, okay, well we got to go some
<v Speaker 3>place like I didn't have you know, I didn't have
<v Speaker 3>cash on me, I don't have a credit card. I
<v Speaker 3>was like sixteen, seventeen whatever. And so my friend says,
<v Speaker 3>I'll get the cash out, you know, and we'll go.
<v Speaker 3>There was a there was an ATM nearby. I'll get
<v Speaker 3>the cash out, we'll go. So we drive over and
<v Speaker 3>again this is this is white blanket of snow. Wow. Okay,
<v Speaker 3>you can't see shit, and the and the light the
<v Speaker 3>sun is not out, so the light is all even,
<v Speaker 3>so you can't see dips or things rise up because
<v Speaker 3>not only that, but there's snow in front of you, right,
<v Speaker 3>And so we're driving and we hit one of those medians,
<v Speaker 3>you know, one of those little parking medians yep. And
<v Speaker 3>we're like, oh shit, well all right, well glad we
<v Speaker 3>noticed that. So we go over, we get the fucking
<v Speaker 3>we get the cash and we'll start driving around and
<v Speaker 3>again I can't see that the plow hasn't come yet. Again,
<v Speaker 3>this is that new snow, and all of a sudden,
<v Speaker 3>out of nowhere, the car suddenly dips down and we're
<v Speaker 3>going down and I know this because I've been to
<v Speaker 3>this place a million times. There is a brook there.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, there's a brook that kind of separates
<v Speaker 3>and you're supposed to cross a bridge, but couldn't see it.
<v Speaker 3>So we're going down and I'm like, holy shit, and
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, all right, the only thing we can do,
<v Speaker 3>we just gotta we gotta fucking just floor it. And
<v Speaker 3>I floor it, and and the Volvo Wagon that I'm
<v Speaker 3>driving goes up, up, up, up, up. It stops and
<v Speaker 3>starts going to the left, going to the left, and
<v Speaker 3>then it gets stuck on the bridge section of the
<v Speaker 3>fucking thing. So I'm like, we're we're facing the sky
<v Speaker 3>Undertaker on this show. Exactly. We're buried in New England powder. Exactly,
<v Speaker 3>you get buried alive in New England powder. And the
<v Speaker 3>we're right over It's like we couldn't even just back
<v Speaker 3>up because we are right over the meadow uh uh uh,
<v Speaker 3>the metal like tunnel thing that you know, where the
<v Speaker 3>water goes under under this little section of ground. So
<v Speaker 3>like if I backed up, I'm gonna smash that and
<v Speaker 3>completely destroy the underbelly of this car, all right, just
<v Speaker 3>like it's just a it's a completely shit show scenario.
<v Speaker 3>And it's a long story because eventually it involves an
<v Speaker 3>ex con trying to help us, and the police coming
<v Speaker 3>and a bulldozer coming to eventually take the car out,
<v Speaker 3>and also an angry fucking after we're stuck. Of course,
<v Speaker 3>the plow comes then, and you know, the guy's fucking
<v Speaker 3>pissed off and angry at us. It's like, dude, you
<v Speaker 3>weren't there. But we did get the PlayStation eventually. Did
<v Speaker 3>we get it? Yeah, that's what I'm waiting out here.
<v Speaker 3>We did. We did eventually get it, like we're waiting.
<v Speaker 3>Had to call my parents no, you know, no cell
<v Speaker 3>phones really at this time, had to fucking find get
<v Speaker 3>changed to make a make a fucking call on a payphone,
<v Speaker 3>and and we just ate pizza waiting for my parents
<v Speaker 3>to show up and pick us up and so we
<v Speaker 3>can go home and play a PlayStation and.
<v Speaker 6>That you did, and we did the Resident Evil game. Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 6>fucking great game. So that's that's vibes. If we're talking
<v Speaker 6>about October nineteen ninety six, I mean, not a bad.
<v Speaker 3>Time to be alive. Let's just put it that way,
<v Speaker 3>not at all.
<v Speaker 6>And then in your house concept, so is this in
<v Speaker 6>your house buried alive or is this buried alive in
<v Speaker 6>your house?
<v Speaker 3>Now, this is in your house, buried alive. This is
<v Speaker 3>before that that would happen. It was like backline round zero.
<v Speaker 3>It was ground zero, round zero in your house. And
<v Speaker 3>then September ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, so it was still
<v Speaker 3>in your house. It still would have had except it's not.
<v Speaker 3>You know, they have the the the fucking I can't
<v Speaker 3>think of the name, but the classic you know, no, no, no,
<v Speaker 3>but it would have this.
<v Speaker 9>Your house.
<v Speaker 3>We're in your house tonight. We're in your house, but
<v Speaker 3>we don't. We're in your house. What's wrong with them?
<v Speaker 2>We're in your house.
<v Speaker 3>You're always in the house. Right.
<v Speaker 6>Why is every time I've ever ordered a pay per
<v Speaker 6>view or ever watched your television show, you've been in
<v Speaker 6>my house?
<v Speaker 3>What's right? Exactly? What's the fucking difference with this one? Right? Idiots?
<v Speaker 6>And they've done many better to live matches since, but
<v Speaker 6>this was the originals is probably the best one.
<v Speaker 3>Say how many there? I think wouldn't have been like
<v Speaker 3>two others at least some pay per view.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, another one with Caine, because I remember the headstone
<v Speaker 6>they did him with Steve right well, yeah, Steven the Undertaker,
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure, and I favored a few others over the years.
<v Speaker 6>I think it's isn't it the one where there Cane
<v Speaker 6>where he buries he kills Undertaker again, the heels biker
<v Speaker 6>Taker so he can become twenty right right, ye, and
<v Speaker 6>have his hair have his bob haircut. Oh jeez, fucking idiot.
<v Speaker 6>I remember one Undertaker buried Canyon, when he buried DDP,
<v Speaker 6>when he buried an That's another one. So yeah, phenomenal
<v Speaker 6>stuff here in terms of just the time period. I'm
<v Speaker 6>not saying it's the greatest show in the world, but no,
<v Speaker 6>it's cool to look back at a time where things
<v Speaker 6>that later became staples were experiments.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, for sure, very much the case.
<v Speaker 6>Another thing they're experimenting with is you know how much
<v Speaker 6>of a television presence character could Jim Rossby, you know,
<v Speaker 6>beyond just a clif I play commentator and my gun
<v Speaker 6>part of the pun.
<v Speaker 3>I mean this guy.
<v Speaker 6>I mean they just you can tell in the office
<v Speaker 6>they get their jolly's at how cantankerous and cranky and
<v Speaker 6>pissed off Jr. Can be and how how easy it
<v Speaker 6>is to get under his skin and how cranky and
<v Speaker 6>how how fast can we get this on television exactly,
<v Speaker 6>And that's what they do. This is right after he
<v Speaker 6>unveils the fake Razor and Diesel, which of course is
<v Speaker 6>just a complete abortion, just one of those embarrassing things
<v Speaker 6>they've ever done.
<v Speaker 10>It is.
<v Speaker 6>I wish you had been aborted me too, Yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 6>The problem was it wasn't an abortion exactly.
<v Speaker 3>It was such a fucking ah.
<v Speaker 6>It was so bad and it was kind of like
<v Speaker 6>the uh, you know, the idea there was that Jim
<v Speaker 6>Ross was going so rogue and he was so pissed
<v Speaker 6>off by the way Vince McMahon was kind of big
<v Speaker 6>footing his way around and taking his announced job and
<v Speaker 6>playing with his livelihood and firing him so many times
<v Speaker 6>that he kind of went ahead and started recruiting talent
<v Speaker 6>like Razor and Diesel to come back to WWF.
<v Speaker 3>He also won the show. Uh and on raw come back,
<v Speaker 3>what's that? Come back? Had to come back? Yeah, never
<v Speaker 3>been there before? What's that? They've never been there before?
<v Speaker 3>Razor and Diesel hadn't been there before. Not bad Razor
<v Speaker 3>and Diesel. No, well, I guess, I guess Diesel had. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>he was a fucking as Isaac Yank. I'm pretty sure
<v Speaker 3>Rick Bogner, the fake Razor worked worked for them, not
<v Speaker 3>in a full time capacity, but I think he had
<v Speaker 3>a couple of runs for short lived runs on like
<v Speaker 3>syndication shows. But all right, no, certainly your point is taken,
<v Speaker 3>you know, But the idea here is that Jim is
<v Speaker 3>not just now a television character. He's not just to
<v Speaker 3>heal announcer. He's also kind of like a recruiter of
<v Speaker 3>talent and somebody who's right actually trying to kind of
<v Speaker 3>run the WWF at the same time, almost like were
<v Speaker 3>they going to manage him? Were he was it needed
<v Speaker 3>for him to become a manager?
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was for him, Yeah, to be a manager
<v Speaker 6>of mouthpiece, a guy who could talk for you know,
<v Speaker 6>the characters that they wanted to feature. But he would
<v Speaker 6>just be running rogue. You know, he's out there taking
<v Speaker 6>credit for Brett Hart coming back in late ninety six.
<v Speaker 6>You hear that on the now he went to South Africa,
<v Speaker 6>not no one else did. Yeah, right where they just
<v Speaker 6>happen to have a show around this time. But he
<v Speaker 6>kind of folds that in as part of the recruitment
<v Speaker 6>mission to get Brett Hart to come. But I'd imagine
<v Speaker 6>what was part of the inspiration here to go in
<v Speaker 6>this direction with Jim was that JJ Dillon, who was
<v Speaker 6>head of talent relations at WWF throughout the nineteen nineties,
<v Speaker 6>had just left the organization, Jim says. Jim Ross says
<v Speaker 6>that it was due to a significant pay cut. Dylan
<v Speaker 6>gets into it in extensive detail in this book, but
<v Speaker 6>he's in the rear view mirror now, so not a
<v Speaker 6>lot of lot of justification to dwell on that whole
<v Speaker 6>set of circumstances. But suffice to say, for the first time,
<v Speaker 6>that job is open, and it's not an easy job.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, head of talent relations is you know, someone's
<v Speaker 6>got to complain on the roster. They call you, someone's
<v Speaker 6>trans is screwed up, they call you. Someone isn't happy
<v Speaker 6>about creative. It's basically, you know, I'm not happy. We'll
<v Speaker 6>deal with him, right, And for a short period of time,
<v Speaker 6>Bruce Pritchard had the job, but he hated it, and Jr.
<v Speaker 6>Gets the job, and as we know, Jim would be
<v Speaker 6>the head of talent relations during the most lucrative period
<v Speaker 6>wwf Ever ever had and did an absolutely remarkable job
<v Speaker 6>recruiting talent, keeping talent happy, and seeing to it that,
<v Speaker 6>you know, guys like Steve Austin and The Rock and
<v Speaker 6>so many others were running, we're running well oiled machines
<v Speaker 6>out there and happy in more ways than we're just
<v Speaker 6>evident on camera, minding payroll, that kind of thing. You know,
<v Speaker 6>Jim would be the guy that would make sure you
<v Speaker 6>get paid on time, and if you wanted to raise
<v Speaker 6>you know, you'd talk about with him first, that kind
<v Speaker 6>of thing. So because Jr's position in the Tower and
<v Speaker 6>Stanford changes, so too does I think the idea of
<v Speaker 6>what is television character could be. And so they sort
<v Speaker 6>of deputize him with this ability to not just run
<v Speaker 6>his mouth but also recruit talent. It's ahead of talent.
<v Speaker 6>Relations almost.
<v Speaker 3>Relate to talent. Just go ahead, do it right now.
<v Speaker 3>Relate to do it. Relate to me, I'm talent, I'm
<v Speaker 3>on the air. Relate to me, do it well?
<v Speaker 8>Do it?
<v Speaker 3>Huh. Relate to YouTube Jim not me. I got good God,
<v Speaker 3>I can't you damn it.
<v Speaker 11>Relate to me.
<v Speaker 3>I can't. I can't relate I don't understand. God damn it,
<v Speaker 3>you're a piece of ship. Yes, you know what, I
<v Speaker 3>might fire you again unless you relate to talent. Get
<v Speaker 3>out there right, God damn it? All right, all right,
<v Speaker 3>all right? Huh? Like, what do we have in common? Vans?
<v Speaker 3>Nothing coming to you. You're I'm a sophisticated, rich, wealthy
<v Speaker 3>uh New Englander. You're a fat lazy You're a fat
<v Speaker 3>lazy dinosaur from Oklahoma. What do you want? Called them
<v Speaker 3>a dinosaur? Right, old fossilized piece of shit? Taking them
<v Speaker 3>the woodshed?
<v Speaker 7>JR?
<v Speaker 3>Huh, what do you wanna take you the wood shed?
<v Speaker 3>You want to want? You want Daddy to beat your ass.
<v Speaker 6>You have Vince dripping with sarcasm on the call on
<v Speaker 6>the show and JR.
<v Speaker 3>The woods shed? Oh my god, it's it's I'll tell
<v Speaker 3>you you know what. I was a little I was
<v Speaker 3>a little nervous that it might It's like, how do
<v Speaker 3>they how do they do? I mean, granted they do
<v Speaker 3>get him off the show at a at a decent time,
<v Speaker 3>but I was still, like, you know, to the fact
<v Speaker 3>that it went on for over two matches and actually
<v Speaker 3>still was entertaining was a miracle.
<v Speaker 6>It's a testament to Jim, it is, it really is.
<v Speaker 6>He'll make it work. He's not gonna like it, and
<v Speaker 6>he's not going to think he's necessarily well cast to
<v Speaker 6>do it, but he'll do it. But the idea was, go, Jim,
<v Speaker 6>just like, you know, say whatever you would say to me,
<v Speaker 6>you know, in a blow up in the office, just
<v Speaker 6>say it on television. And he's going on about how
<v Speaker 6>Vince you know, puts himself in the in the in
<v Speaker 6>the cat bird seat, and how he has no idea
<v Speaker 6>what to call wrestling holds, and he's just like taking
<v Speaker 6>real digs at Vince and no one had.
<v Speaker 3>Done that before.
<v Speaker 6>Really, yeah, you know, it's only if we're only a
<v Speaker 6>few months removed from you know, Kevin Nash saying you're
<v Speaker 6>the boss before he went to WCW who that was all.
<v Speaker 3>It was also a big deal that I remember. I
<v Speaker 3>remember when when JR said it, you know, on television.
<v Speaker 3>That was a big deal that he said that. Vincent me,
<v Speaker 3>I remember, I don't. I don't remember the diesel thing
<v Speaker 3>as much as I remember huh Jr. Coming out and saying,
<v Speaker 3>you know, people don't know that this guy is a
<v Speaker 3>guy who runs a damn company. You know, I remember that.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, everyone knew, but it wasn't. I don't remember
<v Speaker 3>being said like that because I didn't really follow the
<v Speaker 3>uh you know, I didn't follow the the steroid trial
<v Speaker 3>stuff where he was all over you know, I didn't.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't follow any stuff that was on television, I
<v Speaker 3>should say as much where he was very clearly, you know,
<v Speaker 3>uh outed to be the owner. But I remember, like,
<v Speaker 3>to me, that was a big deal when JR. Said that,
<v Speaker 3>When JR. Said Vince was the the real owner of
<v Speaker 3>the company.
<v Speaker 6>In the context of a storyline, you know, like if
<v Speaker 6>you mentioned Vince's the owner, because there's real headlines around
<v Speaker 6>the drug trial, that's one thing. But to bring it
<v Speaker 6>up with the express intent to forwarding a storyline involving
<v Speaker 6>a character.
<v Speaker 3>But even but I'm saying he even brought attention to
<v Speaker 3>himself that he that he was in it, like he
<v Speaker 3>did all those promos on television Vince during the story
<v Speaker 3>trial that I didn't remember at all when we did
<v Speaker 3>all that.
<v Speaker 6>Oh when he did like the whole like punching back
<v Speaker 6>at the prosecution stuff. Yeah, well that that was, don't forget.
<v Speaker 6>That was after the trial was over he did that.
<v Speaker 6>But still I don't remember him. I don't remember that
<v Speaker 6>was ninety five though, Still, wasn't it a five?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, so I don't remember him doing stuff like
<v Speaker 3>that at all. Yeah, make a good point. It's still
<v Speaker 3>before this. Yeah, yeah, well you don't remember it because
<v Speaker 3>has talked about that promo only aired in New York.
<v Speaker 3>They only played that on sydicated shows. That's right, as
<v Speaker 3>he went after the New York prosecutor for that's right
<v Speaker 3>what they did to him. So but as JR.
<v Speaker 6>Put it on his podcast, I thought this beautifully put
<v Speaker 6>anything I think that could been done to make me
<v Speaker 6>miserable or to make me uncomfortable or unhappy, I thought
<v Speaker 6>that was something that was going to be explored, Yes,
<v Speaker 6>and it was. It's not complicated, you know, they just
<v Speaker 6>know they make fun of Jim behind closed doors because
<v Speaker 6>of his accent and because he has Bell's palsy and
<v Speaker 6>his face doesn't.
<v Speaker 3>Work, because he thinks wrestling is real.
<v Speaker 6>Right, and everything else is just downstream from that. They
<v Speaker 6>made fun of him.
<v Speaker 3>Mind his back, and the problem is is that he
<v Speaker 3>actually likes wrestling. That's the biggest problems album. Yeah, Like,
<v Speaker 3>who the fuck likes wrestling other than other than dim
<v Speaker 3>witted fools.
<v Speaker 6>Now you talking my language, bro, because he's on the
<v Speaker 6>ascent too. Let's not forget we'll get to it. Live
<v Speaker 6>Wire had just hit the air, yeah, in September of
<v Speaker 6>ninet ninety six, shortly before Mind Games. But really this
<v Speaker 6>is the first pay per view where we have had
<v Speaker 6>live wires a concept kind of baked into the pie,
<v Speaker 6>and things have happened on live wires that are relevant
<v Speaker 6>to storylines, including a face off over the telephone between
<v Speaker 6>Jim Ross and Vince McMahon, Vince for the first time
<v Speaker 6>coming off as as well, I mean, if that's how
<v Speaker 6>you feel, you know what I mean, sort of like
<v Speaker 6>piece of shit owner who pretends that everybody else is
<v Speaker 6>sensitive except him. You know, everybody else is overreacting.
<v Speaker 3>That kind of guy.
<v Speaker 6>And and it's fascinating to see some of these things
<v Speaker 6>start to be explored and played around with as they
<v Speaker 6>try to find something that will hit and first two
<v Speaker 6>matches of the show, as you referenced, Jr's at ringside
<v Speaker 6>on commentary with Vince and Jerry Lawler, but is his
<v Speaker 6>mic his headphone Mike keeps cutting.
<v Speaker 3>Out, Oh it's tremendous, and so he can't even.
<v Speaker 6>Get like a sentence in edgewise, and it's his part,
<v Speaker 6>you know, it's part of his conspiratorial like they're out
<v Speaker 6>to get me, They're out to make me look like
<v Speaker 6>a fool. And that's where the whole thing was going.
<v Speaker 6>It was, of course aboarded, but still but Jim enters
<v Speaker 6>a new skin here and it is well, a limited
<v Speaker 6>point in time, fascinating to go back and look at it.
<v Speaker 6>We're buried alive here on that fucking cast and TLFX
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<v Speaker 3>He didn't expect that to happen. Oh, he did not.
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<v Speaker 6>the sixteen first round matchups and as things are evolving here,
<v Speaker 6>we're looking at we're trying to circle August twenty sixth,
<v Speaker 6>the Monday, August twenty sixth, the day when we officially
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<v Speaker 3>From that, I know, I definitely noticed some stuff there
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<v Speaker 3>You know, the the Battle of the Bonds. I'm not
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<v Speaker 3>I found I was gonna say more tournaments which is
<v Speaker 3>not fictional enough. Yeah it's not fictional. No, no, no
<v Speaker 3>thing needs to be a little less reality in wrestling, So.
<v Speaker 6>In this world of late night wrestling, the Independent Wrestling
<v Speaker 6>Invitational is a tournament that's been put on by an
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<v Speaker 6>got that ten grand I'm sure that Yeah right, that
<v Speaker 6>wasn't a total falsity. Everyone needs that purse. Participants in
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<v Speaker 6>of these characters. Bobby Cigarillo, we understand certain Hulkster might
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<v Speaker 6>of the ring and he's fought on every continent. He's
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<v Speaker 6>day Delivery Jones That's funny, the official male spokes wrestler
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<v Speaker 3>Jones.
<v Speaker 6>You sure it would have been hard to find in
<v Speaker 6>his era, but no, same day delivery. Jones is trained
<v Speaker 6>by wrestling greats Giant Barber as A and Antonio Noki
<v Speaker 6>like G n O c h I, yes, sir, the
<v Speaker 6>smart money is on this guy, we're told. How about
<v Speaker 6>Jack West, formerly a jobber and a stoner by the
<v Speaker 6>name of Summertime Jay. He disappeared for a few years
<v Speaker 6>and came back a silent American version of Kotsori Shibata.
<v Speaker 6>His vicious elbow strikes has broke a lot of faces.
<v Speaker 3>Catchatory.
<v Speaker 6>How about Sam Hogg, a true American cowboy, the most
<v Speaker 6>hated wrestler in France and bitter rivals with le Chef.
<v Speaker 6>Le Chef, by the way, is the only pro wrestler
<v Speaker 6>with a Michelin Star.
<v Speaker 3>The most not Michelin tires. Actually right, no, he.
<v Speaker 6>Has Meltzer tires, but Michelin stars. The most beloved wrestler
<v Speaker 6>in France and bitter rivals with Sam Hogg. You've got
<v Speaker 6>Glenn Gania, the last trainee of the legendary Verne Gania
<v Speaker 6>and also Vern's legally adopted son, much to the annoyance
<v Speaker 6>of Verne's real son, Greg Gania and also Brett the Giant.
<v Speaker 3>That is the worst giant name ever. It's amazing.
<v Speaker 6>Brett the Giant Canadian farmer. The only wrestles when the
<v Speaker 6>check is big enough and he has never lost a match. Also,
<v Speaker 6>let's just say the immortal hol Hilget is in this tournament.
<v Speaker 6>Brother brother what And here are some of the participants
<v Speaker 6>on the women's side. Emilie LaDou, She's the pride of
<v Speaker 6>Alston Mass. She's a submission specialist and she runs on dunks.
<v Speaker 6>I'm voting for Barney. I Got My Donkeys one of
<v Speaker 6>the greatest videos ever. Yeah, alson Mass. My God student
<v Speaker 6>Ghetto come into a ring near you. Jesus solaris the rudest,
<v Speaker 6>most cruel wrestler in the business and unfortunately for wrestler,
<v Speaker 6>she is one of the best wrestlers in the business
<v Speaker 6>and known for ending careers with her running tombstone pile Driver.
<v Speaker 6>How about Lorry Driver a part time wrestler and part
<v Speaker 6>time lift driver. She's always two minutes away from kicking
<v Speaker 6>your ass. Mama Chaine, the leader of the Mamas. She's
<v Speaker 6>devoted mother to Vinniettie and Sophia. An innovator of the
<v Speaker 6>Mama Tai fighting style, watch out for the axe kick.
<v Speaker 6>And finally, Draka or Draka pardon me, a mysterious wrestler
<v Speaker 6>from Eastern Europe who, up until a few weeks prior,
<v Speaker 6>was thought to be only an internet created meme. To
<v Speaker 6>find out the winners and so much more, listen to
<v Speaker 6>Late Night Wrestling wherever you get your podcasts and know
<v Speaker 6>that we boss sencha in in so many ways to
<v Speaker 6>see really cool to see.
<v Speaker 3>Create that sounds that sounds like a lot of fun.
<v Speaker 3>Listen to that one.
<v Speaker 6>Production values are great. To listen to the first season.
<v Speaker 6>Matt really puts a lot of effort into it and
<v Speaker 6>sort of drops it, you know, like a binge Netflix style,
<v Speaker 6>like all at once.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 6>So you really can if you're hooked, you just can
<v Speaker 6>keep going and it's great. So happy to point listeners
<v Speaker 6>in the direction of season two, thank him for his
<v Speaker 6>support and let us know, let us know what you think.
<v Speaker 6>So businesses attended to the way we pay the bills
<v Speaker 6>I think has been addressed. Yes, And now we're going
<v Speaker 6>to talk about getting buried alive. How do you think
<v Speaker 6>they did the actual stunt of putting Utter Taker in
<v Speaker 6>mankind for that matter in the dirt.
<v Speaker 3>Can I can I tell you I have no fucking cluemate.
<v Speaker 3>I've actually been wondering that since nineteen ninety six.
<v Speaker 6>We'd have to piece it together from little offhanded comments
<v Speaker 6>that mankind, in particular mcfoley, have made over the years.
<v Speaker 6>But suffice to say, the Magic world, there's a way
<v Speaker 6>where you like, you sit in like a hollow thing,
<v Speaker 6>and then you put a cover over you and then
<v Speaker 6>cover that so it's like you think you're looking at dirt,
<v Speaker 6>but you're looking at a dirt covered roof of something
<v Speaker 6>that's hiding the person underneath. We'll here mcfuley talk about
<v Speaker 6>in interviews he's done about this match that there was
<v Speaker 6>actually oxygen and oxygen tank that he had access to
<v Speaker 6>down in the dirt by facing his face downward. Because
<v Speaker 6>underneath this grave, this hill that we see at ringside
<v Speaker 6>or not ringside, next to the rampway, the aisleway and
<v Speaker 6>Market Square arena, they build this mound for the grave
<v Speaker 6>and the grave side underneath there is as you can imagine,
<v Speaker 6>an area where people can help get stuff up to
<v Speaker 6>the wrestlers who aire be buried, and there's holes and
<v Speaker 6>ways to get down there. And breathe, and to move
<v Speaker 6>guys around as need be and slot them in and
<v Speaker 6>out of the opening. So we get a pretty good
<v Speaker 6>handle on how they did it. I think, as much
<v Speaker 6>detail as you might need about it. But it was
<v Speaker 6>cool the time because I remember going into the show
<v Speaker 6>and even though I was relatively young as a wrestling fan,
<v Speaker 6>being like, this is going to blow so hard. They're
<v Speaker 6>never going to find a way to feel like the
<v Speaker 6>stipulation paid off, you know, to feel like we actually
<v Speaker 6>saw a buried alive. And then at first before the
<v Speaker 6>heels all come out and throw Undertaker in there and
<v Speaker 6>really fill that sun bitch up. When they call the match,
<v Speaker 6>under mankind just has like a dusting on its back.
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, he doesn't. It doesn't really, it's nothing.
<v Speaker 3>It's very weird.
<v Speaker 6>It's like they open a Swiss Miss chocolate package and
<v Speaker 6>just dumped it on him and they called it a
<v Speaker 6>bury alive. Or it's like when you know, they have
<v Speaker 6>a first blood match and the guys barely trickled blood
<v Speaker 6>from his hairline and they call it.
<v Speaker 3>I No, I can't stand that.
<v Speaker 6>So people were not loving it, and they were throwing
<v Speaker 6>things and everything. But then they have they have Terry
<v Speaker 6>Gordy as the Executioner, who as we know, was essentially
<v Speaker 6>on death's door and had come back from death an
<v Speaker 6>overdose on an airplane flying to Japan, and he was
<v Speaker 6>never the same after recovering from that and still looking
<v Speaker 6>for work in the business. Michael Hayes, of course influential
<v Speaker 6>on the ww A front office long time, composed of
<v Speaker 6>Terry Gordy, to say the least. So they give they
<v Speaker 6>give him a go. He'd been an ECW earlier in
<v Speaker 6>nineteen ninety six and well certainly not the Terry Gordy
<v Speaker 6>of old in the ring, you know, was able to
<v Speaker 6>demonstrate that the lease can move around and perhaps justify
<v Speaker 6>to a position in one of the big two companies.
<v Speaker 6>They put him under a hood and they call him
<v Speaker 6>the Executioner, and he attacks Undertaker from behind after Undertaker
<v Speaker 6>it officially won the match and breaks a shovel of
<v Speaker 6>an Undertaker's head and then all the heels come out.
<v Speaker 6>Why because it takes a lot longer to fill a
<v Speaker 6>grave with dirt than they imagined. Yeah, I mean it's
<v Speaker 6>six feet of dirt and just mankind and Executioner and
<v Speaker 6>Paul Barrett to the degree he can pushing that dirt
<v Speaker 6>into the hole. They were gonna be there a long time,
<v Speaker 6>so they send out every heel on the roster with
<v Speaker 6>shovels to help back it up. And that's why future
<v Speaker 6>Barret Alive matches of course always had the forklift to
<v Speaker 6>really dump that dirt. Ah strong and hard. They had
<v Speaker 6>a forklift there to build up the mount of dirt,
<v Speaker 6>but they didn't use it to fill the hole.
<v Speaker 3>I mean they even had They even had heels who
<v Speaker 3>weren't even on the fuck show, right, like, not even
<v Speaker 3>in the dark matches, I don't think.
<v Speaker 6>No, Justin Bradshaw, is he in a dark match? Yeah
<v Speaker 6>he was, but not Crush Crush Yah, ConA Crush was there. Yeah,
<v Speaker 6>we had a Remember we mentioned when we did the
<v Speaker 6>ACW show that Steve Carino did an angle where this
<v Speaker 6>crush pulled him over the rail and beat his ass.
<v Speaker 6>As a fan, we talked about that. This is I'm
<v Speaker 6>read around that time. That's amazing, it's just done that angle.
<v Speaker 3>This fucking yeah, criminal Crush actually is really a phenomenal thing.
<v Speaker 3>The original Hawaiian what.
<v Speaker 6>Original Hawaiian inmate? Okay, I think we got it. Pro
<v Speaker 6>Wrestling Teas dot Com. You got it you ready, the
<v Speaker 6>original Hawaiian Inmate. Just put that put the silhouette of
<v Speaker 6>that Hawaiian Punch character behind bars and do a little
<v Speaker 6>representation that face tattoo eased to have. Oh my god,
<v Speaker 6>the original Hawaiian Inmate. Maybe you can have a chain
<v Speaker 6>going from a nose to the side of the show. Yeah,
<v Speaker 6>I should have known that Buried Alive would be the
<v Speaker 6>show where we finally got a criminal crush shirt off
<v Speaker 6>the ground.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 6>Never can't tell no, you never can. By way of
<v Speaker 6>a bit of an introduction, Mick Foley in his in
<v Speaker 6>his first book Have a Nice Day, summarizes it nicely,
<v Speaker 6>but we'll get into a bit more detail. Coming off
<v Speaker 6>the heels of mind Games, he writes, I was pumped
<v Speaker 6>for my next pay per view engagement, this time the
<v Speaker 6>main event the Undertaker called Buried Alive. The goal was simple,
<v Speaker 6>take your opponent from the ring to the graveyard, which
<v Speaker 6>was located by the entrance, and bury him alive. Now,
<v Speaker 6>obviously no one was really going to die, but we
<v Speaker 6>had ourselves a hell of a match anyway. I actually
<v Speaker 6>lost the match and after partially being buried. After being
<v Speaker 6>partially buried, but the little help from Terry Gordy is
<v Speaker 6>the executioner.
<v Speaker 3>Was that's a funny party. See that's something too. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't realize until I always thought that that fully won
<v Speaker 3>the match. No, that's what I always think first, because
<v Speaker 3>I remember that. I remember that deflating feeling of like, okay, okay,
<v Speaker 3>that counts as being buried when Mankind was down there.
<v Speaker 3>And then they followed on and really delivered. So people did.
<v Speaker 6>But if they didn't do the postmatch angle where Undertaker
<v Speaker 6>gets buried, you can't see it right, this would have
<v Speaker 6>had a total laughing stock to this day. Like remember
<v Speaker 6>the Buried Alive match where Mankind barely had any dirt
<v Speaker 6>on him. Yeah, I would have been at They did
<v Speaker 6>a totally unorthodox approach too. We'll play them later where
<v Speaker 6>they didn't do any in arena angles between mind Games
<v Speaker 6>and Buried Alive with Undertaker and Mankind. It was all
<v Speaker 6>vignettes from the graveyard. It was all pretense. That's old school.
<v Speaker 3>That's like uh yokozunan Undertaker casking match, sure yep.
<v Speaker 6>And they had the gravestone, the headstone with Undertaker Mankind
<v Speaker 6>on it. Buried Alive October twenty nine, ninety six, and
<v Speaker 6>they put that in the aisleway so that every week
<v Speaker 6>on Raw, when wrestlers would come to the ring, I
<v Speaker 6>think on syndication too, you would see the gravestone. So
<v Speaker 6>that was pretty brilliant marketing actually, because yeah, it's served
<v Speaker 6>to remind you of the pay per view with its
<v Speaker 6>unique nature of the match without necessarily beating your head
<v Speaker 6>over it beating you over the head with it. But
<v Speaker 6>it was there every single time, and wrestlers had to actually,
<v Speaker 6>you know, kind of navigate around the headstone to get
<v Speaker 6>to the ring, right, really cool marketing there. Terry Gordy's
<v Speaker 6>the executioner. Yeah, I mean he doesn't just announce his
<v Speaker 6>arrival in WWF here, he also announces, you know that
<v Speaker 6>we're about to have the most obscure jack specific action.
<v Speaker 3>Figure ever made in the execution I mean seriously, I.
<v Speaker 6>Mean how many times I've stared at that buried alive set.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, like what are they doing? Yeah?
<v Speaker 6>Have you ever seen an executioner Jackson the wild? I
<v Speaker 6>feel like I did. I feel like I did back
<v Speaker 6>in the day, but I didn't, you know, I didn't.
<v Speaker 6>I didn't pick it up at all. Now they all
<v Speaker 6>have had the Warrior the Green Warrior four pack.
<v Speaker 3>That that one.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that was one that I ended up getting later
<v Speaker 6>later in life. Off eBay, let's put it that way. Yeah,
<v Speaker 6>but what a time for the toll. I mean, Hasbro
<v Speaker 6>had ended, and I always talk about that story where
<v Speaker 6>like the last time I ever looked for Hasbros, I
<v Speaker 6>remember the shelf being a mile long, and I just
<v Speaker 6>couldn't care less.
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's a brod Mart. It's cool as a Yoko.
<v Speaker 3>It's cool.
<v Speaker 6>I don't want to take them home. I'm more into
<v Speaker 6>X Men right now. Yeah, And then ninety five comes
<v Speaker 6>around that I saw Yoko in the wild. I remember
<v Speaker 6>seeing Yoko in the wild. I swear to God, it
<v Speaker 6>is son of a bitch. And it didn't mean a
<v Speaker 6>damn thing to me.
<v Speaker 3>I never saw it. I never saw it in the wild.
<v Speaker 6>I'm back around ninety six, I'm back in and I'm
<v Speaker 6>looking for the Hasbros. And Nope, I had no way
<v Speaker 6>of knowing that it was over.
<v Speaker 3>Nope.
<v Speaker 6>Imagine mat, I mean finding out that the most iconic
<v Speaker 6>line disappeared just by virtue of going to the store
<v Speaker 6>for eight months and they're not there. That's how you
<v Speaker 6>come to realize it, you know, That's what I remember
<v Speaker 6>news on your phone about it.
<v Speaker 3>That's what I remembered. I mean I remember like just
<v Speaker 3>kind of going in and all of a sudden, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>I was still into it hardcore from you know, during
<v Speaker 3>the period, and I remember I remember going to toy
<v Speaker 3>store and always looking for wrestling figures and it didn't
<v Speaker 3>matter to me, like I just I was hoping that
<v Speaker 3>they would come back. And when when I stopped seeing
<v Speaker 3>the Hasbros, I stopped thinking that that was it. There
<v Speaker 3>were never going to be any more wrestling figures ever again.
<v Speaker 3>And then they brought in those fucking Bendoms and it
<v Speaker 3>drove me insane because I was like, you're telling me
<v Speaker 3>that the only way I can get Diesel and raizor Ramone.
<v Speaker 3>Well I had to raise ramone actually, but you know,
<v Speaker 3>any any guys from like ninety five is through the
<v Speaker 3>Bendom line pathetic And I was so miserable. And then
<v Speaker 3>I I remember just walking in and seeing this brand
<v Speaker 3>new line. I can see, I can picture Diesel, I
<v Speaker 3>can see the Diesel figure in the in the Jack's box,
<v Speaker 3>and I remember thinking, what the fuck is this? Because
<v Speaker 3>it was uncomfortable because he didn't look nearly as good
<v Speaker 3>as the Hasbro Oh no, it was. It was definitely
<v Speaker 3>a half assed, you know version. And also the fact
<v Speaker 3>that Diesel was gone from the company. Oh yeah, in
<v Speaker 3>those caps.
<v Speaker 6>That's why the Diesel Razor two pac was so valuable,
<v Speaker 6>because yeah, it's like a ww toy set by the
<v Speaker 6>time it came out, right right. I do wonder if
<v Speaker 6>that has something to do with them launching the aforementioned
<v Speaker 6>fake Diesel fake Razor angle. It's like, maybe we've got
<v Speaker 6>merchandise because there's like nineteen ninety six calendars where like
<v Speaker 6>Razor and Diesel are you know, in months and nineteen
<v Speaker 6>ninety six after they've already left and stuff like.
<v Speaker 3>That, of course, because they because you know, yeah, they
<v Speaker 3>come out a year earlier. Yeah, I remember that, and
<v Speaker 3>just being just totally like excited that there were toys again,
<v Speaker 3>like real toys, real figures out there, but at the
<v Speaker 3>same time, like they don't look good at a big
<v Speaker 3>adjustment for a Hasbro, a big adjustment to really to
<v Speaker 3>get into it, and they didn't really get in like
<v Speaker 3>the line didn't become good until like ninety eight, and
<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, like the they started
<v Speaker 3>getting better, but for a while.
<v Speaker 6>At least the Bendies you could match size wise with
<v Speaker 6>the Hasbros. Even though it was awful. You could put
<v Speaker 6>a Bend in the ring of the Hasbrow.
<v Speaker 3>No, I couldn't. I couldn't. Actually, I couldn't. I couldn't
<v Speaker 3>lower myself to that level. I was fine with the Jackson,
<v Speaker 3>the and the and the Hasbros. Yes, it was there
<v Speaker 3>was a difference, but at each other. Yeah, I was okay,
<v Speaker 3>come on, I'd rather do it. I'd rather do it
<v Speaker 3>than the fucking Bendy the giants Compared to the hase
<v Speaker 3>it was fine. Well, we worked with some of them,
<v Speaker 3>you know, Diesel being taller than everybody else was fine.
<v Speaker 3>It's fine. Like I didn't get certain ones I didn't get,
<v Speaker 3>like the Brett one, because I was definitely going to
<v Speaker 3>stick with the Brett Hasbro. You know, I only got
<v Speaker 3>I only got certain ones at the beginning.
<v Speaker 6>That's a little different. Yeah, I remember get those. I
<v Speaker 6>remember getting the gold Dust one and be like, okay,
<v Speaker 6>this is the new this is the new normal. You know,
<v Speaker 6>this is this is the dimensions of a wrestling toy now.
<v Speaker 6>And they have these little small pinholes at every joint
<v Speaker 6>to create bone crunching action.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, and bone crunching sounds and bone crunching iconography.
<v Speaker 3>It was a good uh.
<v Speaker 6>It was a good line to launch during Sean's title
<v Speaker 6>reign because you could do sweet chin music kind of
<v Speaker 6>the foot stuck out rather.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could. You could definitely do. You could do
<v Speaker 3>some uh uh some different moves for sure, and you know,
<v Speaker 3>the legs bent and shit, and that was a big deal.
<v Speaker 6>But among the things they released was a Buried live
<v Speaker 6>kit after this came out with Undertaker mankind Paul Barr
<v Speaker 6>and Executioner and Excutioner had absolutely it was he in
<v Speaker 6>the Rumble ninety seven. I think he was, but he
<v Speaker 6>did basically nothing.
<v Speaker 3>Think so, I don't think so. I don't think. I
<v Speaker 3>think he was gone by that unbelievable so short lived,
<v Speaker 3>he had no he he lasted until the uh the
<v Speaker 3>December pay per view when he actually wrestled him Taker
<v Speaker 3>and that was it. Wow, Yeah that's Trody tombstone him
<v Speaker 3>and it was over. Yeah, yeah, because they did because
<v Speaker 3>he sort of like it was weird like once once,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, after Survivor series it seemed like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>this this is gonna be over. Now like it's done
<v Speaker 3>because he beat he beat Mankind again clean at Survivor
<v Speaker 3>Series in ninety six. And then it was like okay,
<v Speaker 3>like what are you gonna you know, okay, and then
<v Speaker 3>we get.
<v Speaker 6>Old, like you realize it's time at its time, absolutely
<v Speaker 6>and something different than we thought wasn't a nod to
<v Speaker 6>Vader at one point fully right to the office wanted
<v Speaker 6>me and Terry to fill the hole by ourselves, but
<v Speaker 6>I thought that I thought the prospect of filling a
<v Speaker 6>six foot by four foot hole with two guys might
<v Speaker 6>be a little unrealistic. As it turned out, manuition was wise,
<v Speaker 6>because not only was I exhausted from wrestling for twenty minutes,
<v Speaker 6>but my partner, the executioner, was filling the hole in
<v Speaker 6>the same manner that a cat covers up.
<v Speaker 3>Poop in a litter box. That's true, Oh okay, He's.
<v Speaker 6>Bent over with his back to the hole and scraping
<v Speaker 6>incredibly small handfuls of dirt into the hole. Thankfully, every
<v Speaker 6>bad guy in the company helped out, and even with
<v Speaker 6>all that help, we still only got the hole half filled.
<v Speaker 6>Then dramatically, a lightning bolt hurtled through the audience and
<v Speaker 6>struck the grave, the Undertaker's gloved hand broke through the
<v Speaker 6>earth as Jim Ross yelled, He's alive, He's alive.
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't Jim it was? It was Vince Vince. As we
<v Speaker 3>went off the air.
<v Speaker 6>When we went off the air, the Undertaker emerged through
<v Speaker 6>the dirt, where he was helped to the back. No,
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry, that's not what happened. When we went off
<v Speaker 6>the air, the wrestlers dug him out of the grave
<v Speaker 6>and he received emergency medical treatment. No, that wasn't it either.
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, I remember when we went off the air,
<v Speaker 6>the New Rockers music played and Marty Janeti and El
<v Speaker 6>Snow came running out to wrestle the Bushwhackers in a
<v Speaker 6>special bonus match.
<v Speaker 3>You imagine that. That's not I don't have that. Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's there. Oh yeah, New Rockers in the Godwin. It's
<v Speaker 3>not the Bushwhackers, he said. He says Bushwhackers in his book,
<v Speaker 3>But I mean it'd be better. Actually, we're all mourning
<v Speaker 3>the loss of the Undertaker or his apparent at the end.
<v Speaker 3>I mean even at the end though. You know that
<v Speaker 3>you bring that up. It's funny because because as as
<v Speaker 3>he's being buried alive, I had a SoundBite for later
<v Speaker 3>as he's being buried alive and like it seems like
<v Speaker 3>he's dead, Vince mc mahon says, we hope you have
<v Speaker 3>enjoyed alive, Like, no, you don't enjoy this. You just
<v Speaker 3>essentially saw someone die. Do you think they should have
<v Speaker 3>gone off the air with just hit the hand not
<v Speaker 3>coming out? No, they ain't coming out. It's a good thing.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's good. I'm okay with that. I don't
<v Speaker 3>think it's bad. I think it is good.
<v Speaker 6>But I wonder, I wonder what it would have been
<v Speaker 6>like and how the event would have been remembered, and
<v Speaker 6>if there was business in Undertaker not re emerging that night,
<v Speaker 6>maybe it'd be a little too morbid for people. Because
<v Speaker 6>as it is, people have talked about some of the
<v Speaker 6>wrestlers have talked about and we'll hear it looking at
<v Speaker 6>some of the spectators and being like, oh, this is
<v Speaker 6>kind of you know, the guy's here with this kid,
<v Speaker 6>like that's kind of much it is.
<v Speaker 3>It is more it is dark without a doubt. I yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't think you could have gotten away
<v Speaker 3>with it without without doing the you know, the hand up.
<v Speaker 6>I think you had to do that yeah, and fully concludes,
<v Speaker 6>at least in his book on the heels of Buried Alive,
<v Speaker 6>I came back again against the inndertaker of November's new
<v Speaker 6>Survivor series and what was probably the biggest disappointment of
<v Speaker 6>my career for the MSG crowd, I was amazingly mediocre.
<v Speaker 6>It was a tough one to befind me, but I
<v Speaker 6>vout to have a strong showing in the following evening's raw.
<v Speaker 6>I remembering that bad But okay, I do remember the
<v Speaker 6>feud being long in the tooth by then.
<v Speaker 3>Brother, it's not ready for that one. Long in the
<v Speaker 3>tooth dude? Like the fuck? Is that like coming at me?
<v Speaker 3>Who's gonna long tooth? What do you mean long tooth? Brother?
<v Speaker 3>Long two? What long two? I mean? Duc to? What
<v Speaker 3>a long to? Is very concerned with the brothers? Yeah
<v Speaker 3>they are? They hold now? Brother, what's the deal doing?
<v Speaker 7>Brother?
<v Speaker 3>Can we kick? Can you come in?
<v Speaker 11>Sit down?
<v Speaker 13>Brother?
<v Speaker 3>Just quick? You figure out what's a long to? Dude?
<v Speaker 3>Can you lay down for me? Brother? Not lay it down?
<v Speaker 3>Can you lay down for me? Yo? Nick?
<v Speaker 7>Nick?
<v Speaker 3>Dirty knit Musick Patrick? What's up? Brother?
<v Speaker 6>Nizzick? Patri sick? So now brother, Hey heard about this?
<v Speaker 3>Long to dude? What's that?
<v Speaker 7>Brother?
<v Speaker 3>What's a long too? The rest talking? Dude? The zebras
<v Speaker 3>long to brother? What's the is? Dude? What's a long tip? Diz?
<v Speaker 3>I mean you've been talking to what Bischoff? Or have
<v Speaker 3>you been talking to Sting?
<v Speaker 7>All right?
<v Speaker 3>What Stings say? Brother? Are you going to do a
<v Speaker 3>long too? Out there? Is he tamming?
<v Speaker 7>Dude?
<v Speaker 3>Is he tamming? Now? Dude? What's the di is?
<v Speaker 10>What?
<v Speaker 3>Huh?
<v Speaker 14>Why?
<v Speaker 3>So silent?
<v Speaker 7>Brother?
<v Speaker 3>What are you?
<v Speaker 6>I'm silentary because I know you'll fill the air.
<v Speaker 3>So uh? Where did it come from?
<v Speaker 14>This?
<v Speaker 3>This notion?
<v Speaker 6>It's hard to find someone saying this is the day
<v Speaker 6>in the room and the meeting where we came up
<v Speaker 6>with the buried alive concept. But it's very clear that
<v Speaker 6>they had it ready before Mine Games, because as soon
<v Speaker 6>as Mine Games is over the next night, they start
<v Speaker 6>airing the aforementioned vignettes, which had already been taped in
<v Speaker 6>a graveyard in Connecticut on a very rain. As it
<v Speaker 6>turns out, it's pretty good stuff, as they, you know,
<v Speaker 6>go back and forth saying foreboding and mysterious and gloomy
<v Speaker 6>things about each other. But here is Bruce Pritchard on
<v Speaker 6>his podcast at the Best of his recollection on where
<v Speaker 6>the concept came from.
<v Speaker 15>You know.
<v Speaker 9>What if we bury someone alive.
<v Speaker 16>That's kind of how it starts sometimes, and then you
<v Speaker 16>start thinking about, well can you actually do that?
<v Speaker 17>In different ways to do it?
<v Speaker 16>The original original concept was to do a graveyard match,
<v Speaker 16>so that you were actually in an actual graveyard with
<v Speaker 16>a hole doug and then the object was to put
<v Speaker 16>your opponent into the hole in the graveyard, who ever
<v Speaker 16>did and you skip some dirt bottom and that's the
<v Speaker 16>end of that. From there it became well, if you're
<v Speaker 16>promoting this match, what are you give in the live audience,
<v Speaker 16>and do you build a graveyard in the arena, which
<v Speaker 16>is kind of where you know, we hit that happy
<v Speaker 16>medium of doing the great site in the arena. But
<v Speaker 16>the original original concept was a graveyard match. Well, you
<v Speaker 16>present the issue of what you want to see and
<v Speaker 16>what you want to do, and then they create how
<v Speaker 16>you can actually see that. So it's given someone a
<v Speaker 16>concept and saying this is what we'd like to do.
<v Speaker 16>Can you make that happen? They either say yes or no.
<v Speaker 17>I know, Mark thought we were crazy, but.
<v Speaker 16>It was like okay, because again I think the graveyard
<v Speaker 16>match kind of came from from talking to everyone involved
<v Speaker 16>in saying, hey, what if we could do this, and
<v Speaker 16>everyone was on board. Then you start taking we're going
<v Speaker 16>to take it to an arena and we're going to
<v Speaker 16>do this, We're going to do that, and thinking of okay,
<v Speaker 16>how does that work?
<v Speaker 17>And again it was just and I'm not going to
<v Speaker 17>give away how we did it, but it was just
<v Speaker 17>a matter of.
<v Speaker 18>M man, that's tough.
<v Speaker 16>But also the cell was you're gonna get a match,
<v Speaker 16>so the audience is going to get a match, and
<v Speaker 16>they're also going to get the buried alive, so they're
<v Speaker 16>going to be a part of it.
<v Speaker 17>So that I think was the end the end cell
<v Speaker 17>to get everybody in and then everybody goes on board.
<v Speaker 6>So a lot there, But I think what he's saying
<v Speaker 6>is just a concept of doing a match where someone
<v Speaker 6>gets buried alive, and like a remote shoot was not enough.
<v Speaker 6>People weren't into that enough. But when you came up
<v Speaker 6>with the idea of actually putting the graveyard in the
<v Speaker 6>arena and thus giving the spectator something to look at,
<v Speaker 6>suddenly everybody that they needed that might not have been
<v Speaker 6>fully on board with the concept got on board. But yeah,
<v Speaker 6>I mean, we know, yes, what's that? I guess it
<v Speaker 6>just doesn't seem I don't know like that that's it.
<v Speaker 6>That's all.
<v Speaker 3>That's the story.
<v Speaker 6>What if we buried someone alive? There had to have
<v Speaker 6>been something that happened in pop culture around then. It
<v Speaker 6>occurred to them. But I think that the rest, you know,
<v Speaker 6>wrestling brain trust is never good about acknowledging, you know
<v Speaker 6>those things like Dusty. Dusty would talk about it because
<v Speaker 6>he wanted you to know that he watched movies and stuff.
<v Speaker 6>But like you know, Russo will never say he says,
<v Speaker 6>I had Jerry Springer on, but he's not gonna say
<v Speaker 6>this is the exact Springer episode I ripped off or
<v Speaker 6>I ripped off the Godfather here.
<v Speaker 3>Even though he clearly did. You know with this idea.
<v Speaker 6>We know what happened, right boss with that Uh that
<v Speaker 6>that original Pritchard idea of doing it actually in a
<v Speaker 6>graveyard somewhere. Yeah, they put that one on the shelf
<v Speaker 6>until something called COVID hit and uh dusted that baby off.
<v Speaker 6>For the boat they had to call a bone yard
<v Speaker 6>because you know, once someone comes up with graveyard, then
<v Speaker 6>everyone has to get around a table and justify their
<v Speaker 6>existence by coming up with alternative names. And so Boneyard
<v Speaker 6>was because it was presumably because it was suggested after
<v Speaker 6>the original was considered a better idea and the subject,
<v Speaker 6>you know, or at least we can say boss the
<v Speaker 6>byproduct of consensus building, right, because that's what wrestling is.
<v Speaker 6>Wrestling is about, it at getting people around the table,
<v Speaker 6>is throwing things against the wall and coming to a
<v Speaker 6>consensus on creative notions and go to market strategies.
<v Speaker 3>Well, we're talking We're all about you know, it's about
<v Speaker 3>it's about, you know, deciding exactly what is the the
<v Speaker 3>customer journey right in regards you know, we're talking about
<v Speaker 3>we're trying to we're trying to figure out what the
<v Speaker 3>ideation is, you know, trying to figure out, you know,
<v Speaker 3>the trying to partner with the fans, with the w
<v Speaker 3>universe in order to see what sort of value that
<v Speaker 3>they have in terms of the innovation and the influence
<v Speaker 3>that the the the form of content will provide.
<v Speaker 6>Exactly we're talking about in terms of the Bird to
<v Speaker 6>Life match fits is the customer journey in this particular instance.
<v Speaker 3>Well, what this is, honestly, this is an all hands
<v Speaker 3>on deck hard stop customer centric strategic metric. Live was
<v Speaker 3>a strategic metric. That's interesting. Well, that's the thing because
<v Speaker 3>as you continue to work on collaboration and you know,
<v Speaker 3>getting on the same page with the fans, you have
<v Speaker 3>to pivot in order to keep ahead of the and
<v Speaker 3>always change the game. All right, And we're talking about
<v Speaker 3>giving one hundred and ten percent and unpacking the the
<v Speaker 3>the the really the the automation, right and the AI,
<v Speaker 3>the artificial intelligence, the business intelligence, the emotion intelligence, and
<v Speaker 3>really the market and competitive intelligence or any.
<v Speaker 6>Also known internally as unpacking the automation. If only they
<v Speaker 6>had some automation out there, these guys wouldn't be second
<v Speaker 6>wind trying to fill the hole. Well, I mean, Vince,
<v Speaker 6>how did you think the Bard Alive Matt should have ended?
<v Speaker 6>I mean, what was your suggestion?
<v Speaker 3>Well, I believe you know, I thought it ended the
<v Speaker 3>way exactly it needed to end, in the fact that
<v Speaker 3>you know, here we are, we're telling a story, and
<v Speaker 3>you know we're we're we're trying to show how diverse
<v Speaker 3>the w W characters are in regards to how they
<v Speaker 3>integrate and engage with and survive and die the audience
<v Speaker 3>and survive and you know we we are we are
<v Speaker 3>you know, we're providing bleeding edge entertaining content right and
<v Speaker 3>and what that. You know, so we need to not
<v Speaker 3>only put a cap on the story we're telling on
<v Speaker 3>that evening, as well as continuing the story for the
<v Speaker 3>next night as well as into the next premium live event.
<v Speaker 3>That's why the hand comes out right exactly, so we
<v Speaker 3>can kind of keep you know, we're always on your
<v Speaker 3>radar in that regard.
<v Speaker 6>Now, was there a point in time where you actually
<v Speaker 6>when we make out about how willing to actually be.
<v Speaker 3>Buried alive he was. I didn't really care about that.
<v Speaker 3>He didn't suggest to him at a certain point in
<v Speaker 3>time that, you know, what would it look like if
<v Speaker 3>I may have? You know, these are things that that
<v Speaker 3>happened that I'm not aware of.
<v Speaker 6>I'm health hold on. I may have, but these are
<v Speaker 6>things that happen that I'm not aware of. Yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 6>I'm not aware of whether or not I did that.
<v Speaker 3>I could be, I could not be. I may be
<v Speaker 3>because I did.
<v Speaker 6>Them, doesn't mean I was made aware I did them.
<v Speaker 6>Big difference two different events there, pal.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, we're talking about two different metrics on a
<v Speaker 3>whole data driven nature.
<v Speaker 6>Huh, Well, just as I thought, the Bird Alive match,
<v Speaker 6>when it comes right down to it, is about data
<v Speaker 6>and further further to that point, more from a qualitative perspective.
<v Speaker 6>We're going to hear now from mcfoley on the Inside
<v Speaker 6>the Ropes, you know, traveling interview show that they do
<v Speaker 6>that's on YouTube, great stuff, check it out. And here
<v Speaker 6>here is mcfoley talking about the mechanics of this thing
<v Speaker 6>and how it came together, with a bit more color
<v Speaker 6>to it than his book.
<v Speaker 4>But the Undertaker is the king of the casket match,
<v Speaker 4>and he never lost those things.
<v Speaker 14>So every night we'd have these real good matches, and
<v Speaker 14>every night I'd end up in that casket. Every night
<v Speaker 14>they would slam that thing shut. And every night I'd
<v Speaker 14>be hyperventilating and I'd be hot, and I'd be entombed
<v Speaker 14>and I'd be rolled to the back and the fans
<v Speaker 14>would slam on the casket like this, And then every night,
<v Speaker 14>without fail, we would get to the back and I
<v Speaker 14>would scream for someone to let me out, and every
<v Speaker 14>night they would keep me in for additional five minutes
<v Speaker 14>as a rib.
<v Speaker 4>And then the next night, without fail, like, oh don't
<v Speaker 4>you dare keep me shutting that casket again.
<v Speaker 14>Every night they would have showed me they wouldn't, and
<v Speaker 14>every night they did, and so I got used to that.
<v Speaker 14>But the idea when we went to the Market Square
<v Speaker 14>arena in Indianapolis, like we're gonna be buried alive, Like
<v Speaker 14>how in the world are we gonna pull this off?
<v Speaker 14>And I get there and Richie Posner, who we called
<v Speaker 14>the Magic Man, he welcomes me to an underground layer
<v Speaker 14>which almost like a small community has been built underneath
<v Speaker 14>the burial plot, like you've got the legitimate grave in there,
<v Speaker 14>but everything else was like a hollowed out village under there.
<v Speaker 14>So you can have two or three people and they've
<v Speaker 14>got an this we're recording this, Okay, Hi Vinceta what.
<v Speaker 4>He employs my son. He's a good man who I
<v Speaker 4>disagree with from time to time.
<v Speaker 14>And they had an oxygen tank under there. And the
<v Speaker 14>key was, you know, when I went under I choked, slammed.
<v Speaker 14>I go in there, and now he undertakers starts shoveling
<v Speaker 14>that earth on me. Man, I don't care if they
<v Speaker 14>have a mask to breathing or not. It's a scary feeling.
<v Speaker 14>And I went scrambling. I got this thing in this
<v Speaker 14>little plastic baggy, you.
<v Speaker 7>Know, right.
<v Speaker 14>From breathing in the oction, and he's covering me with earth,
<v Speaker 14>you know, like I'm being I'm being buried alive.
<v Speaker 4>And to this day.
<v Speaker 14>I think Dale Doback and Brendan Huff oh me a
<v Speaker 14>debt of gratitude. There's no way that they bury each
<v Speaker 14>other alive and stepbrothers without the undertaker burying me alive.
<v Speaker 14>No way, right, Okay, let's put it out there. H
<v Speaker 14>And then at a certain point, my body's about half covered.
<v Speaker 14>Terry Gordy, who was the executioner, Terry Gordy at one time,
<v Speaker 14>one of the top workers in the business, and he'd
<v Speaker 14>had a near death experience was never quite the same.
<v Speaker 14>But he was with me and Paul Barrow for a
<v Speaker 14>short time and he he clubbed the undertaker with a shovel.
<v Speaker 4>He pulled me out of that grave. And I'm not
<v Speaker 4>acting when I come out of there, gasping for breath,
<v Speaker 4>you know.
<v Speaker 14>So after seventeen minutes of hard work and being buried alive,
<v Speaker 14>now we have to figure out how do we how
<v Speaker 14>do we fill a six foot by eight foot by
<v Speaker 14>four foot hole with earth in five minutes?
<v Speaker 4>Of TV time.
<v Speaker 14>There's a reason why every subsequent buried alive match has
<v Speaker 14>had a back hoe to simply just pushed the earth
<v Speaker 14>in there. By God, we were like three guys with shovels, right,
<v Speaker 14>and it's me and Terry Gordy the executioner, and then
<v Speaker 14>John John Bradshaw Layfield comes and help and triple h
<v Speaker 14>as well, and slowly but sureleye we you know, were
<v Speaker 14>covering that earth. And then at a certain point they
<v Speaker 14>just did like a little magician switcheroo where the live
<v Speaker 14>body went into the underground layer and then brought out
<v Speaker 14>a secondary like shelf that was filled with earth.
<v Speaker 4>And I was just I remember looking and.
<v Speaker 14>I'm shoveling and I'm exhausted, and me and Bradshaw look
<v Speaker 14>at a father who very audibly, not audibly, but noticeably
<v Speaker 14>while trying to comfort his sobbing child. Remember they go
<v Speaker 14>to see a wrestling match, and they're seeing a human
<v Speaker 14>being being buried alive. And we could see the father go,
<v Speaker 14>I can't believe I'm watching this.
<v Speaker 6>You can kind of see that. It's pretty funny. You
<v Speaker 6>can kind of see him like I hear this, Like
<v Speaker 6>he just looks to the side with this kid next
<v Speaker 6>to him.
<v Speaker 3>Are you fucking kidding?
<v Speaker 11>Look?
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck did you drag me to? You little rottens?
<v Speaker 6>Give it to him. That was a good night for
<v Speaker 6>that young man.
<v Speaker 3>I swear to God, you know what, when we get home,
<v Speaker 3>I am giving you a fucking licking like my dad
<v Speaker 3>used to give me when I fucking lied to him.
<v Speaker 3>That's another story for another not actually, no, let's talk
<v Speaker 3>about this.
<v Speaker 7>You know.
<v Speaker 6>Typically, you know, Indie dad blue collar loves loves the
<v Speaker 6>Indianapolis five hundred right, yep. Three generations have actually worked
<v Speaker 6>at the speedway in some capacity, and he just likes
<v Speaker 6>him make ultra, you know, after work. And his little
<v Speaker 6>boy loves this, this this pretend stuff and it's coming
<v Speaker 6>to market square and it's just like, you know, if
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna twist my arm, I'll take you to this thing.
<v Speaker 14>You know.
<v Speaker 6>I don't like it, son, but we'll check this out
<v Speaker 6>flash for Four hours later, an undertaker is being buried
<v Speaker 6>alive and he's standing on his starter jacket. Blake, what
<v Speaker 6>have you done to me? I swear to fucking Christ,
<v Speaker 6>you know when, don't you fucking look at me? Don't
<v Speaker 6>don't you fucking look at me?
<v Speaker 3>Now? I was under the pretense that this was legit entertainment.
<v Speaker 6>Oh no, it was under this guy, this blue collar
<v Speaker 6>guy says, and I was under the pretense this was
<v Speaker 6>legitimate entertainment.
<v Speaker 3>What did you look at me? Look at me in
<v Speaker 3>the fucking face right now. You are so fucking grounded.
<v Speaker 3>You are so fucking grounded. When we get home, God
<v Speaker 3>help me, I may take you want the strap, I'm
<v Speaker 3>gonna give you the fucking strap, all right. You lied
<v Speaker 3>to me, You fucking lied to me. Wow, you're wanting
<v Speaker 3>your fucking father.
<v Speaker 6>I've been working on that car in that garage for years,
<v Speaker 6>and I could have finished it tonight, I said it.
<v Speaker 6>I could have been eating your mom's finest Midwestern cookery,
<v Speaker 6>meat loaf, castle roles.
<v Speaker 3>Your mom.
<v Speaker 6>Your mom made a fucking gas role to night with
<v Speaker 6>onion straws and creamed um um creamed green with cream
<v Speaker 6>of with cream of chicken soup. Fuck that's the mixture.
<v Speaker 6>And you fucking dragged me to this ship.
<v Speaker 3>So I can watch someone die. You think that's real.
<v Speaker 6>You think I put twenty years in an Allison transmission
<v Speaker 6>for you to drag me to this place.
<v Speaker 3>I'm supposed to I'm supposed to retire at some point.
<v Speaker 3>I'm never going to retire because I don't want to
<v Speaker 3>be around you. You're the biggest fucking mistake of my life.
<v Speaker 3>If I could go back, i'd have you fucking Oh,
<v Speaker 3>come on, rep, get in there. Stop the man.
<v Speaker 6>So, Mick, you want to point that guy out? Do
<v Speaker 6>you want the whole story? You know, I think he's
<v Speaker 6>overplaying how difficult it was to fill the hole because
<v Speaker 6>when they're sitting around the table in nineteen ninety six,
<v Speaker 6>there's no shortage of people at that company that have
<v Speaker 6>expertise in filling holes. Okay, they could find someone to
<v Speaker 6>help out, Yeah, they ay, for sure, they could have Chiposer,
<v Speaker 6>the magic Man, Wan and Pow. I just want to
<v Speaker 6>talk a little bit about how we're conceptualizing this, this
<v Speaker 6>buried Alive set, and I understand oxygen plays a role,
<v Speaker 6>Is that right? Well, yeah, Evans, we we had we
<v Speaker 6>had a couple of things we're going to do.
<v Speaker 3>I can, I can.
<v Speaker 6>I can kind of give you a schematic of it,
<v Speaker 6>but for the most part, you know, there's gonna be
<v Speaker 6>a compartment where whoever gets buried is face down and
<v Speaker 6>we can hand them up oxygen from you. Basically, we'll
<v Speaker 6>have like a village, like a command post underneath.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't want to the lunch. Listen,
<v Speaker 3>tell me more about this oxygen. I want to know what.
<v Speaker 3>Tell me about this oxygen.
<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, it's a great lifeline for the guys
<v Speaker 6>to have if you know they're in a position where
<v Speaker 6>there's you know, dirt falling on their back. You could
<v Speaker 6>never be too safe.
<v Speaker 3>So do we need it? Do we need it? Do
<v Speaker 3>we need it?
<v Speaker 6>I'm sensing you're asking that for a reason. Can I
<v Speaker 6>answer your question with a question? Listen, the show is
<v Speaker 6>called in your house Buried Alive. I can't call it
<v Speaker 6>buried dead, right, which is why you need I would
<v Speaker 6>if I could, I would if I could. No, no, no,
<v Speaker 6>I want to kill somebody on the show. I want
<v Speaker 6>whoever is in that fucking that the grave.
<v Speaker 3>To die.
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, we'll pull that offense. It's going to be incredible.
<v Speaker 6>I mean then the fans won't know the difference. It'll
<v Speaker 6>be really I don't want them, I want them.
<v Speaker 3>I'm really excited. I want ten thousand people to witness
<v Speaker 3>the death of an individual.
<v Speaker 6>That's what we're working on. No, no, no, no death
<v Speaker 6>and quotes of course, no, what do you mean death
<v Speaker 6>in reality?
<v Speaker 7>No?
<v Speaker 3>I want no oxygen, I want no protective whatever. When
<v Speaker 3>Callaway goes down, he gets bare read alive. Let me
<v Speaker 3>ask a question, pal, have you ever been buried alive?
<v Speaker 7>What do you let me?
<v Speaker 3>Now? Let me tell you something, Let me ask you something.
<v Speaker 3>You know there are many talent in this company who
<v Speaker 3>have been buried alive. I have no problem burying anybody
<v Speaker 3>live on television. Yeah, we've.
<v Speaker 6>This might be the first buried alive match, but if
<v Speaker 6>you take the A out of it, this is probably
<v Speaker 6>the sixth South You know what I mean? Live burial, well,
<v Speaker 6>live burial, Yeah, you better believe it. That's just the
<v Speaker 6>JR segment. Live Burial followed by Buried Alive is.
<v Speaker 3>Listen. If you don't do what I'm fucking asking you
<v Speaker 3>are telling you to do. I to tell what it
<v Speaker 3>is you're asking me to do before you threaten me
<v Speaker 3>like that.
<v Speaker 6>What is it?
<v Speaker 3>I want someone to die live on pay per view.
<v Speaker 3>I want the news outlets to say the next morning Ship,
<v Speaker 3>we got it wrong. Wrestling is a real They said
<v Speaker 3>they were going to bury somebody alive, and they did.
<v Speaker 3>He's dead. I'll tell you what you don't do what
<v Speaker 3>I want. You're gonna be in there next.
<v Speaker 6>No, I can't. I can't even have this conversation and
<v Speaker 6>good time. I'm not having a conversation with you. I'm
<v Speaker 6>making a demand. I appreciate that, but I think I'm
<v Speaker 6>gonna tender my resignation right here and now, because no, no, no.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no no no no, m you know too much.
<v Speaker 3>I don't accept your resignation. I'm not gonna fire you.
<v Speaker 3>You can't quit. If you quit, you die. If you
<v Speaker 3>stay employed, you also die. It's a no win situation
<v Speaker 3>for you, an all win situation. It's a no live situation.
<v Speaker 3>It's a no live situation. It's an entertainment value for me.
<v Speaker 6>If only the next could be a no live situation.
<v Speaker 6>So Richie Posner walks out of Vince's office in a huff,
<v Speaker 6>feeling like this is all bluster, opens the elevator or
<v Speaker 6>the elevator closes, and he's buried in there by sixteen
<v Speaker 6>tons of dirt that dropped from the sel. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>a lot to explore there, but Mick kind of laying
<v Speaker 6>out how it was all set up, and as referenced
<v Speaker 6>after the match, some dark matches do come out the
<v Speaker 6>godwins versus the New Rockers, as you said in Shawn
<v Speaker 6>Michael's versus gold Dust, So the fans get over it quick.
<v Speaker 6>They're resilient that way. And to get a little taste
<v Speaker 6>of that secretive, somewhat secretive HBKA gold Dust match that
<v Speaker 6>came out after the burial, we'll play here just a
<v Speaker 6>little bit of sound as gold Dust takes the microphone
<v Speaker 6>to warm the crowd up before that show closing dark match,
<v Speaker 6>which again resurfaced out a w W compilation and this
<v Speaker 6>available out there.
<v Speaker 11>I told you to shut the hell up before, and
<v Speaker 11>I mean it.
<v Speaker 4>What do we have here? Stefy boy.
<v Speaker 2>Hit the music, so.
<v Speaker 3>Can imagine gold Dust dancing revocatable. I'm notching more my joy.
<v Speaker 6>Size and sounds of the dark match buried alive. Michaels
<v Speaker 6>and gold Dust Sean would lay a kiss on gold
<v Speaker 6>Dust's face and then hit him at sweech in music
<v Speaker 6>to win the matchup. So that's where they that's where
<v Speaker 6>they were at back then.
<v Speaker 3>All right, there we go.
<v Speaker 6>As for the headstone, like like I mentioned, it just
<v Speaker 6>showed up the day after on Raw. Remember this is
<v Speaker 6>the time when they would that the Raw after pay
<v Speaker 6>per view would be live, right, and then they would
<v Speaker 6>tape the next like three weeks basically, so you'd have
<v Speaker 6>one live raw between pay per views when they went
<v Speaker 6>to the monthly cadence where you could do you know,
<v Speaker 6>things like the JR. Interview and these you know, the
<v Speaker 6>bread Heart reveal as to whether he was going to resign,
<v Speaker 6>these really hot moments that you know wouldn't leak out
<v Speaker 6>ahead of time because they had been pre taped. And
<v Speaker 6>the night after is when they debut The Headstone. But
<v Speaker 6>they've got so much more on that show that has
<v Speaker 6>to capitalize in the live environment that you do it,
<v Speaker 6>you don't really see anything besides these pretapes and then
<v Speaker 6>come to find out you don't see anything more than
<v Speaker 6>them between Undertaker and Mankind. And here's what I think
<v Speaker 6>is the very first promo they aired introducing the concept
<v Speaker 6>of what this buried live match will be. Because I
<v Speaker 6>don't know if you remember this, Boss, but I don't.
<v Speaker 6>All of a sudden, it was just on the table.
<v Speaker 6>It was not like they hinted at it. It's not like, yeah, honestly,
<v Speaker 6>I don't remember that at all. I don't remember any
<v Speaker 6>of it. I just remember it being a thing and
<v Speaker 6>being excited about it, but I don't remember how it
<v Speaker 6>came about.
<v Speaker 19>Mankind and Paul bar will have nowhere to run though
<v Speaker 19>on October twentieth, because in the first ever non sanctioned
<v Speaker 19>ww pay per view match, the loser will be very live.
<v Speaker 20>I suffered at SummerSlam have just begun to heal. But
<v Speaker 20>there's one scar that I shall carry for all of eternity,
<v Speaker 20>the scar of betrayal Paul Bear Mankind. Last night you
<v Speaker 20>witnessed who truly is the master of the mind game,
<v Speaker 20>and Mankind, I have condemned you to eternal damn nation. Mankind,
<v Speaker 20>I am going.
<v Speaker 18>To bury you a lie.
<v Speaker 3>And you will yeah.
<v Speaker 7>Rested in.
<v Speaker 19>Unsanctioned by the World Wrestling Federation, the first ever buried
<v Speaker 19>alive Max. There's the head stone as we see it.
<v Speaker 19>It is going to be an unbelievable scene and that
<v Speaker 19>will take place in your house. Buried Alive October twentieth
<v Speaker 19>in Indianapolis, A.
<v Speaker 11>Real cemetery is going to be built in the Market
<v Speaker 11>Square arena.
<v Speaker 2>That's how you can get tickets. You want to be
<v Speaker 2>a part of this one live, folks. Ticketmaster has your tickets.
<v Speaker 2>But there you see the number on your screen, three
<v Speaker 2>one seven, two three.
<v Speaker 11>Nine fifty one fifty one for ticket information. Be in
<v Speaker 11>the Indianapolis Marcus Square Arena live and see this cemetery
<v Speaker 11>constructed on the floor of the arena.
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you this, I don't blame the end. I
<v Speaker 2>don't blame the WW for not sexy that I never.
<v Speaker 3>Did in a Mansine Jay are coming in with the
<v Speaker 3>energy there for the rescue. Yeah, yeah, right exactly.
<v Speaker 6>So that's supposed to be like a draw too to
<v Speaker 6>sell live tickets. Come see with this fucking live cemetery,
<v Speaker 6>and it looks like that's a first of its kind.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, that's like I guess, I mean, it's
<v Speaker 3>a cool set. I don't see what the big deal
<v Speaker 3>is though. It's true that Dad to the house. It's true.
<v Speaker 6>And let's not forget you know. Undertaker, of course turned
<v Speaker 6>on by Paul Barrett SummerSlam ninety six and then he
<v Speaker 6>goes with Mankind. Mankind faces Shawn Michaels the next month,
<v Speaker 6>and it's Undertaker who comes out of the casket at
<v Speaker 6>the end of that Shawn Michaels match. Yeah yeah, returning
<v Speaker 6>for the first time since being turned on. And now
<v Speaker 6>this is he made reference there to last night Undertaker did,
<v Speaker 6>and of course that being mind games, this is really
<v Speaker 6>the first, uh, this is the first match since he
<v Speaker 6>returned from being turned on. But also he had just
<v Speaker 6>come back from SummerSlam at the pay per view the
<v Speaker 6>night before, so they had this all pre taped ahead
<v Speaker 6>of that to make reference to it. And here's a
<v Speaker 6>bit more of a broad sweep of how everybody kind
<v Speaker 6>of remembers this. I think this is from the Undertaker's
<v Speaker 6>ane biography or it's from some anea biography where they
<v Speaker 6>go kind of across many different touch points to talk
<v Speaker 6>about what it meant. Bradshaw, it's it's the rivals thing
<v Speaker 6>they used to do. Oh sure now, and they get
<v Speaker 6>the desk. They got Freddy print'es Junior at the desk
<v Speaker 6>with some wrestlers kind of like doing a commentary between
<v Speaker 6>the between the interviews of the two guys that had
<v Speaker 6>the rivalry, and this is the Undertaker mankind one, and
<v Speaker 6>of course naturally is part of that. They're going to
<v Speaker 6>touch on Buried Alive. So this is some of the
<v Speaker 6>other stuff I've heard from Undertaker on the match and
<v Speaker 6>some others.
<v Speaker 21>Well, you know, when you say you know you're going
<v Speaker 21>to get buried alive.
<v Speaker 7>You're like.
<v Speaker 15>The opportunities because whatever the ring is just a pretense
<v Speaker 15>to get us stop there to the grave.
<v Speaker 21>These two evil entities are battling for control of the
<v Speaker 21>dark Side and to tell the story that needs to
<v Speaker 21>be told with the to guys, you're gonna have to
<v Speaker 21>do something that is desperate, and you know it's just
<v Speaker 21>like Hail Mary.
<v Speaker 10>I end up getting choke slammed into a grave and
<v Speaker 10>then the earth starts coming down on top of me.
<v Speaker 10>I'm tired, I'm exhausted. I've been through a lot, and
<v Speaker 10>now a human being is throwing earth on me. Is
<v Speaker 10>not hurting, and you have people thinking of themselves. Surely
<v Speaker 10>nobody's getting buried in front of our eyes. Terry Gordy
<v Speaker 10>comes out as the executioner. He waylays the Undertaker now
<v Speaker 10>begins this mammoth attempt to.
<v Speaker 22>Completely fill that grave in a few minutes without any machinery.
<v Speaker 23>The real story is there was a miscalculation of how
<v Speaker 23>long it would take to fill up the hole once
<v Speaker 23>Undertaker was in there, so we had to send out
<v Speaker 23>half the roster.
<v Speaker 9>We rush out there with shovels to fill up a
<v Speaker 9>full grape.
<v Speaker 1>Try filling in a grave with a shovel in ten
<v Speaker 1>minutes on live television.
<v Speaker 2>That was the dumbest thing.
<v Speaker 18>We get a huge way, we get a quarter of
<v Speaker 18>the grave field. Make Foley's you know, scraping dirty and
<v Speaker 18>he's blown.
<v Speaker 16>Up from the match.
<v Speaker 1>But if you'd have seen the crowd that night that
<v Speaker 1>it was horror and shock thinking that Undertaker had actually
<v Speaker 1>been killed. People were buying it and I'm thinking somebody's
<v Speaker 1>coming over this rail.
<v Speaker 21>There are people to this day that were kids then
<v Speaker 21>that are adults now, Like, you don't know what that
<v Speaker 21>did to me.
<v Speaker 9>I mean that was I was freaked out, like I
<v Speaker 9>had to sleep with the.
<v Speaker 2>Lights on for a while this was over. The Undertaker did.
<v Speaker 22>Not I remember looking at the face of a fire
<v Speaker 22>and he says, I can't believe watching it's because we're
<v Speaker 22>watching a human being get buried.
<v Speaker 21>When that purple glove come out of the dirt man,
<v Speaker 21>it was another one of those moments that these people
<v Speaker 21>did not expect but gave him such hope.
<v Speaker 9>Doesn't It's those kind of stories that let you know
<v Speaker 9>that what you do mean something.
<v Speaker 6>Oh, for God's sake, shut the full Why what's wrong
<v Speaker 6>with that? I'm so happy he picked up on. God,
<v Speaker 6>it's those moments that the fucking fat ass bitch Jesus Christ.
<v Speaker 3>Now, lets you know that what you do mean something? No,
<v Speaker 3>you actually no, actually no, you know what. Guess what.
<v Speaker 3>I knew the whole fucking time. But he wasn't dead.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know how you did it, nobody. Fucking Yes,
<v Speaker 3>there may have been. Look that there were probably some
<v Speaker 3>six year old children who are horrified, like just like
<v Speaker 3>they were horrified a fucking papashango. But anybody who's a
<v Speaker 3>fucking you know, has it, has a brain, or has
<v Speaker 3>even a half of a brain, knows that they're not
<v Speaker 3>going to fucking kill somebody on live TV. You don't
<v Speaker 3>know what that did to me? Oh my god, yes,
<v Speaker 3>I you know it.
<v Speaker 6>You don't know what it did to you either, because
<v Speaker 6>you're making things out.
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, Yeah, you don't know what it did to you,
<v Speaker 3>apparently because you think it was fucking real too. Idiot
<v Speaker 3>who slept with the light on after this one? Exactly? Yeah, right,
<v Speaker 3>Undertaker did so annoying. You know, I really like they
<v Speaker 3>the crowd popped because the they saw their hero, okay, like,
<v Speaker 3>and you fucking you know, I love how they you know,
<v Speaker 3>of course you're gonna do this for for an anti special.
<v Speaker 3>But I love how they they they kind of just
<v Speaker 3>gloss over the fact that there were other matches afterwards.
<v Speaker 3>So you guys went on with the show. You guys
<v Speaker 3>had planned go on with the show, whether or not,
<v Speaker 3>you know, with the intention of someone quote unquote getting killed,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and then they do that for real when
<v Speaker 3>I want how done?
<v Speaker 6>So shouldn't they all here's a question, Vince. Shouldn't you
<v Speaker 6>always have a grave blot doug at every show you do,
<v Speaker 6>just in case. Here's here's my proposal. Okay, here's my proposal.
<v Speaker 6>Undertaker mankind goes down precisely as we saw. Yes after
<v Speaker 6>the show, as mentioned, they they dig up the grave
<v Speaker 6>and retrieve the Undertaker and or I don't know, somehow
<v Speaker 6>the Undertaker is not a concern anymore. The hand goes
<v Speaker 6>back down. We all know he's still alive. Yep, they
<v Speaker 6>dig him out whatever, so the holes you know, empty again,
<v Speaker 6>and all's well with the world. Godwins have their match.
<v Speaker 6>They with with Marty, Jeannetty and and Al Snow. Al
<v Speaker 6>Snow and Phineas fall out of the ring to the floor,
<v Speaker 6>brawl up the aisleway, and then al snow buries Phineas Alive,
<v Speaker 6>knocks him out with the right and then fills the
<v Speaker 6>entire grave.
<v Speaker 3>It takes about forty and then he then he stands
<v Speaker 3>on the dirt and he just screams as hard as
<v Speaker 3>his face is beat red, his neck is all swollen,
<v Speaker 3>intense as he's he just there's.
<v Speaker 6>No backstory here, there's no tension, there's absolutely no reason
<v Speaker 6>to do this without cameras on. And they just decide
<v Speaker 6>we're gonna have a buried a live match too, and
<v Speaker 6>he and.
<v Speaker 3>He keeps screaming, I killed him, I killed him. Mike
<v Speaker 3>killed Phineas.
<v Speaker 6>The godwins versus the New Rockers buried Alive. This is
<v Speaker 6>a good idea, having buried alive matches for like the
<v Speaker 6>low undercard is funny as hell.
<v Speaker 3>I invite you to consider the idea that I like,
<v Speaker 3>the idea that that that it gets shifted like I
<v Speaker 3>would have imagined if like imagine if all of a
<v Speaker 3>sudden in the opening match, you get fucking Steve Austin,
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, he decides he's gonna bury Triple
<v Speaker 3>H alive. He fucking drags him up there and just
<v Speaker 3>throws him and he starts fucking and there's a grave
<v Speaker 3>there every show. Sometimes they use it, sometimes they don't.
<v Speaker 3>The whole show can go by without them even going
<v Speaker 3>near it. Or maybe you could do like hell to
<v Speaker 3>sell pay per view, right you bur it a live
<v Speaker 3>pay per view where everyone shows up at the building
<v Speaker 3>and one match is gonna be buried alive, but you
<v Speaker 3>don't know which one it's gonna be until they do
<v Speaker 3>like a random like spin the wheel and make the
<v Speaker 3>deal with it. I I just like the idea of
<v Speaker 3>rand of if it's there, if the bearer said, is
<v Speaker 3>there you just you? You never know who's gonna use it,
<v Speaker 3>love it anybody. Everybody can be buried alive by the
<v Speaker 3>end of the show. I invite you gratefully. It'd be
<v Speaker 3>great if they fucking Austin throws Triple h and into
<v Speaker 3>the fucking grave. He starts shoveling in the dirt and
<v Speaker 3>then it gets it himself and starts bringing dirt down
<v Speaker 3>on top of it. Hell, hell, I.
<v Speaker 6>Bury myself every time I up in my mouth anyway,
<v Speaker 6>and this company I'm used to bury myself fans ha
<v Speaker 6>ha ha. You was sixteen under after that comment. Sign
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I invite you to consider Backlash two thousand,
<v Speaker 6>Dean Malenko versus Scottie Too Hottie buried alive.
<v Speaker 3>Well, they were buried live. It wasn't a live burial,
<v Speaker 3>but yeah. Vince Russo's podcast Wrestle WrestleMania seventeen Fucking Rock
<v Speaker 3>Austin buried alive? Oh my god, oh god? All right,
<v Speaker 3>that would be tremendous.
<v Speaker 6>Nicky Trish, You've done a wonderful job building this match
<v Speaker 6>up here, one of the hottest matches we've ever had
<v Speaker 6>between two women in WWF here coming up at Russellmania.
<v Speaker 6>But what if we added a little twist to it?
<v Speaker 6>What if Mickey James versus Triss Stratus at WrestleMania twenty
<v Speaker 6>two was buried alive and.
<v Speaker 3>And and then what if we made her a shoot? Right? Nope? No,
<v Speaker 3>you know you guys on the go. The winner happens
<v Speaker 3>whoever gets buried first looses, or better yet, whoever gets
<v Speaker 3>buried first wins, or.
<v Speaker 6>How about better yet, whoever wins first gets buried, whatever
<v Speaker 6>wins second wins the match. Summer Slam ninety eight Paramount
<v Speaker 6>Theater Lion's Dead Ken Verse Owen. At a certain point,
<v Speaker 6>the openings in the cage. The holes in the cage
<v Speaker 6>fence just goes see and becomes solid walls, and they
<v Speaker 6>dump three hundred pounds of dirt from the seaway into
<v Speaker 6>the hole.
<v Speaker 3>And Dan sever is looking down laughing his ass.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah from the cat bird seat that buried alive. It's
<v Speaker 6>not that you the wrestler has to put you in
<v Speaker 6>a hole? Is that you don't know when four hundred
<v Speaker 6>pounds of dirt is that all fall in your head?
<v Speaker 7>You don't know?
<v Speaker 3>It hurts them so badly, gets to the point, gets
<v Speaker 3>the point where the dirty and have the set anymore.
<v Speaker 3>Just in the middle of a match, you got let's
<v Speaker 3>say you got uh uh, you know, I don't know,
<v Speaker 3>it's uh Survivor Series ninety eight. You got h Austin
<v Speaker 3>and he Awestin, but you get I don't know, Rock
<v Speaker 3>Umtaker and Kane and there's no bird Alive set at all,
<v Speaker 3>nothing like that, And all of a sudden they just
<v Speaker 3>pick a match it's that match, and they just drop
<v Speaker 3>dirt from the from the ceiling.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, praying line.
<v Speaker 6>There's like a monkey screams it just to get it across.
<v Speaker 6>It's like, like you said, there's no how funny is
<v Speaker 6>that there's no cemetery set. They just brought out the aisle.
<v Speaker 6>There's like a kiddie pool.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, there know the ring and the dirt fall
<v Speaker 3>for the cling.
<v Speaker 24>There's enough in the ring.
<v Speaker 6>There's enough in the.
<v Speaker 7>Ring to bury.
<v Speaker 3>It's a high enough mound. It's just like a fucking
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, like a waterfall of dirt. It
<v Speaker 3>doesn't stop.
<v Speaker 6>It's like Vince in the in the beer bath, but
<v Speaker 6>it's dirt, and they're just like and they're slowly losing ground,
<v Speaker 6>trying to kick and scream, but it's like quicksand like
<v Speaker 6>the last scene, the last few moments, it's like the
<v Speaker 6>hand is on the top of the dirt and trying
<v Speaker 6>to claw their way up.
<v Speaker 3>It just slides down. Boom, another twenty pounds of dirt.
<v Speaker 25>Good god, almighty, it's that time they've been burying alive.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 6>It's like when Funk and Need add the mattress, like
<v Speaker 6>and then it blows up. Just you don't know where
<v Speaker 6>in the car it's gonna happen, which match it is
<v Speaker 6>gonna be.
<v Speaker 3>They don't either. The wrestlers don't either, you know, they
<v Speaker 3>they don't just don't know.
<v Speaker 6>No sound effects nothing, just the sound of dirt falling
<v Speaker 6>ninety feet.
<v Speaker 3>And again enough to fucking bury these these men in
<v Speaker 3>the fucking ring. They missed it out, man, they didn't
<v Speaker 3>get great of enough. But then it's like then you
<v Speaker 3>can think about dude, they have to fucking get rid
<v Speaker 3>of it for the rest of the show because it
<v Speaker 3>happened in the middle of the show.
<v Speaker 6>Everybody else is a wrestling a thin film of dirt
<v Speaker 6>on the mat, like and like little sharp rocks you're
<v Speaker 6>in there, you know, getting you know, getting fucking backsuit
<v Speaker 6>plegs on the on the tiny little shards of rock. Hey,
<v Speaker 6>you know, it's a tough way to make a living.
<v Speaker 6>We never said it was ballet. Hey no, So does
<v Speaker 6>this qualify carry from under the cinemat?
<v Speaker 10>What? Uh?
<v Speaker 3>Is it legit? Is it a legit? Everyone I haven't
<v Speaker 3>heard of say it, like, yes, this is you know,
<v Speaker 3>they like they always say Undertaker sitting up. They they
<v Speaker 3>took it from that, and they're like, that's what we want.
<v Speaker 3>What the Michael Myers thing. So if we can find
<v Speaker 3>if we can find a real like yeah, well you know,
<v Speaker 3>we're thinking about carry and it's like I took that,
<v Speaker 3>I'll take it.
<v Speaker 6>Well, they were thinking about Carrie when it came to buried.
<v Speaker 6>But it was a carry one area. But that's a
<v Speaker 6>Brian to.
<v Speaker 3>Palma joint, right, it is a Brian to Palma joint,
<v Speaker 3>So that that intrigues me, ough doesn't intrigue me, although
<v Speaker 3>I do like Carry. Carry's pretty good. Carry's one of
<v Speaker 3>his better movies.
<v Speaker 6>And so this is rather grim. And if you're wondering
<v Speaker 6>how fans on the night reacted to the you know
<v Speaker 6>the proposition, These people that were supposedly so horrified at
<v Speaker 6>seeing the reality the buried alive match, how they.
<v Speaker 3>Changed their life? Fucking change their life. There was a
<v Speaker 3>before buried alive and an after buried alive. We'll hear
<v Speaker 3>it is before buried alive. This is from the Free
<v Speaker 3>for All. Doc Hendricks with a life like.
<v Speaker 26>Y to Indianapless Indiana, shut up, Reggie Miller and the
<v Speaker 26>Pacers and tonight the Holy Run about the first ever
<v Speaker 26>no sanctioned match.
<v Speaker 2>By the World rest Late Federation.
<v Speaker 26>Question is Indianapolis, Are you ready to see someone get buried?
<v Speaker 3>Yes? Yes we are, ladies and gentleman.
<v Speaker 26>I am handsome Dog Henders with the World Wrestling Federation
<v Speaker 26>and welcome to.
<v Speaker 11>The Free for all.
<v Speaker 18>He don't won the preview channel.
<v Speaker 2>Now come follow me.
<v Speaker 26>You know you may have seen notice qualification matches, you
<v Speaker 26>may have seen First Blood matches, you may have seen
<v Speaker 26>cage matches. But I guarantee you tonight, live exclusively on
<v Speaker 26>pay per view, you're gonna see something that has never
<v Speaker 26>been done because the Undertaker and Mankind will literally be
<v Speaker 26>in a battle for their life when one of these
<v Speaker 26>WWS super stars will be thrown into this grade and buried.
<v Speaker 2>Oh titles rapped.
<v Speaker 3>You guys, you sound so horrified.
<v Speaker 11>Monsters, you know, don't we don't have though McMahon's good.
<v Speaker 2>We don't have gimerals. We got against that kind of
<v Speaker 2>See where.
<v Speaker 7>Jimberal thunder and lightning here in the arena, don't we have.
<v Speaker 3>A Hey, hey, it's right before the paper we started.
<v Speaker 3>You're right, that's not a good time.
<v Speaker 2>Your man John has done a good sign. All sorts
<v Speaker 2>of phenomenal things going on. Rechs love the night.
<v Speaker 18>Are you ready?
<v Speaker 27>Tonight you will witnessed.
<v Speaker 9>A mankind.
<v Speaker 28>So we're all dying.
<v Speaker 27>We'll take his battered carcass and planets in that cemetery
<v Speaker 27>that plays there before you, and I will cover him
<v Speaker 27>until he is no more, and then the feast shall begin. Creatures,
<v Speaker 27>are you ready?
<v Speaker 7>And of hell?
<v Speaker 2>Are now paying for your soul?
<v Speaker 29>Mankind?
<v Speaker 30>The end.
<v Speaker 31>Is at hand.
<v Speaker 18>I'm coming for your man I'm coming you will ever red.
<v Speaker 3>Indeed only on pay per view. I mean they're all
<v Speaker 3>they're all like you know, they're they're talking about people,
<v Speaker 3>you know, someone dying. And he's also I mean, I
<v Speaker 3>think fans should have been a little more alarmed when
<v Speaker 3>he says that, you know, it's the end of mankind. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I should have been a little alarming everybody there.
<v Speaker 6>Everyone's going a little more of a somber tone on
<v Speaker 6>commentary ahead.
<v Speaker 3>Of the same. I mean, not only that, but like
<v Speaker 3>Doc Hendrick's acting like a fucking radio announcement. I know,
<v Speaker 3>do you want to see someone buried alive? It's like,
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck? What are you talking about? Man?
<v Speaker 10>What I mean?
<v Speaker 6>It should just be more, you know what I mean, foreboding,
<v Speaker 6>more nervous about it, not excited.
<v Speaker 3>Right right? I mean no, of course, you can't sell it.
<v Speaker 3>It's not a thing that you sell one. You gotta
<v Speaker 3>you gotta, you gotta sell the the idea that can
<v Speaker 3>you believe two men hate each other so much? That
<v Speaker 3>they're willing to go to this length to settle their feud, right,
<v Speaker 3>and we don't know what's going to happen here, folks.
<v Speaker 3>We know what they've agreed to. It's not been sanctioned.
<v Speaker 3>Hush tones, you know.
<v Speaker 6>But you're just there selling it like a you know,
<v Speaker 6>title stipulation. And it's very strange. I mean, I guess,
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I guess it could be in poor
<v Speaker 6>taste to go too far in the direction if someone
<v Speaker 6>will actually die tonight, maybe it does actually benefit them
<v Speaker 6>in a sneaky way to be.
<v Speaker 3>But I think what you can do, though, is you
<v Speaker 3>can kind of get to the point that, you know,
<v Speaker 3>if it's unsanctioned, we don't know what this means, right,
<v Speaker 3>play up the mystery of it, like we don't know
<v Speaker 3>what it means, and you know, I mean, and there
<v Speaker 3>can be excitement in the fact that you don't know
<v Speaker 3>what means, but there's also can be a little fear
<v Speaker 3>in the fact that we don't know what it means.
<v Speaker 3>So true, you know, there's a way to do that.
<v Speaker 3>They just they're just treating like another gimmick. And I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 3>but it's not another gimmick. And that's the go home.
<v Speaker 6>You know, that's not like with post production, you know,
<v Speaker 6>and all these like touches. As far as what you
<v Speaker 6>just soun on television that that's live from the arena.
<v Speaker 6>That's their idea of how to make the last minute
<v Speaker 6>sales pitch to anybody watching on the paper of your
<v Speaker 6>preview channel. So that's the tone they picked when you know,
<v Speaker 6>the live red the live red cameras on the red
<v Speaker 6>dot is on and they have one last chance to sell.
<v Speaker 3>Here? What's up, Buss? What if we kill something? Paper
<v Speaker 3>this one again? How many of our times you gotta
<v Speaker 3>suggest that on a gimmick? Well, I'm not gonna either that.
<v Speaker 3>What if what if we literally what if we put
<v Speaker 3>someone in their grave? It would be banana? But I
<v Speaker 3>don't like the idea banana. No, it's not about bananas.
<v Speaker 3>Put them into graves. I want to put them in
<v Speaker 3>the grave, maybe multiple ones, who knows. But we just
<v Speaker 3>hire Corey Graves instead. I don't know what that is.
<v Speaker 3>What's a Corey grave? Is it more expensive? Is it
<v Speaker 3>with rock? Is it a quarry grave? Well, let's fine,
<v Speaker 3>can bury them with the rocks. It's fine. I'm done
<v Speaker 3>with that. About you say bury boss? You're talking about,
<v Speaker 3>you know, in the cave abe sense, right, Like I'm
<v Speaker 3>not somebody dying. Like when you go to a funeral,
<v Speaker 3>you put somebody in the ground, you bury them alive.
<v Speaker 6>You know, when someone you know dies, go to his funeral,
<v Speaker 6>that kind of thing. Someone dies, you go to the
<v Speaker 6>funeral and you bury them alive. Huh sounds like a
<v Speaker 6>great launch point. I think we need to have some
<v Speaker 6>meetings about it. I think there's a I.
<v Speaker 3>Don't think we do. I think we just I think
<v Speaker 3>you know what. I'll tell you what. Here's the thing. Yes,
<v Speaker 3>you can have meetings all you want. I'm gonna write
<v Speaker 3>up the copy. We're gonna have it on air tonight.
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna promote and hype the Buried Alive match.
<v Speaker 6>Well, everybody else has meetings, and I pretend to incorporate
<v Speaker 6>their feedback.
<v Speaker 3>You can have your meetings. You can discuss if it's
<v Speaker 3>if it's maybe a little you know, two out there,
<v Speaker 3>if it's maybe a little morbid. Whatever you do that
<v Speaker 3>get everyone's opinion, you know, have a fucking focus group
<v Speaker 3>you want. But I'm gonna have this on air tonight.
<v Speaker 6>But if you're gonna do a live in arena, cemetery.
<v Speaker 6>You need a headstone, right, we do. And this this
<v Speaker 6>is quite an investment for the company. This being a
<v Speaker 6>new idea, they went ahead and actually got a legit
<v Speaker 6>headstone from a legit headstone supplier.
<v Speaker 3>What is it, uh, Stamford Grave something like.
<v Speaker 6>That, whereas future match they would just use a gimmick headstone.
<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised that's not a fucking wrestler name too. Stanford Grave,
<v Speaker 3>Stanford Grave. That's pretty good. Actually, it sounds like a
<v Speaker 3>company that would have made like like a medicine and
<v Speaker 3>like oil based medicine and like eighteen eighty one Stanford
<v Speaker 3>Grave Apothecary, you know what I mean, something for like
<v Speaker 3>you know, oh yeah, I got Stamford Grave Apothecary here,
<v Speaker 3>and we get something for distemper. Do you have something everything?
<v Speaker 7>You know?
<v Speaker 3>Get those have some of those those morning pills to
<v Speaker 3>keep that temper down.
<v Speaker 6>I goody. So if you're gonna make a legit headstone.
<v Speaker 3>Someone someone who Yeah, the guy who runs it is
<v Speaker 3>someone whenever you you have you say something that he's
<v Speaker 3>he's never heard before, he goes, oh.
<v Speaker 6>Perfect, exactly what I mean. You can picture the guy.
<v Speaker 6>I can picture the guy and there would be a
<v Speaker 6>reason beyond just you know, difficulty, that they wouldn't do
<v Speaker 6>actual legit headstones that are so heavy that you can't
<v Speaker 6>move them without a forklift for future buried a live
<v Speaker 6>matches and here on Bruce Pritchard's podcast, he talks about
<v Speaker 6>a moment where having a real headstone almost caused a
<v Speaker 6>real problem.
<v Speaker 32>If people still remember that tombstone to this day, it
<v Speaker 32>had to becover some moving that big, heavy sumbitch around.
<v Speaker 4>By god, it was.
<v Speaker 16>Because it's legits. Yeah, it was a legit granite. It
<v Speaker 16>was extremely expensive because it was a legit gravestone, and yeah,
<v Speaker 16>it was a pain in the ass to move. And
<v Speaker 16>they're somewhat fragile as well. That was just something that
<v Speaker 16>we did and it was a beautiful reminder every week
<v Speaker 16>of what's going to happen. And you see that in
<v Speaker 16>the just the imagery of it is magnificent. Gold Man,
<v Speaker 16>this is this is gonna be cool. What the hell
<v Speaker 16>are they gonna do? Our art folks came up with
<v Speaker 16>with a nice little rendition of it, and then the
<v Speaker 16>tombstone people took it from there, had that headstone that
<v Speaker 16>was waited a lot, a lot, a whole lot.
<v Speaker 32>This is I want to put in context what we're
<v Speaker 32>talking about. This is not something that a couple of
<v Speaker 32>guys can just go move for you. No, this is
<v Speaker 32>a you're gonna need a machine to move this motherfucker.
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, you had to place it with a arklift, yes, okay,
<v Speaker 16>and it was sitting, but but you could tump it, okay,
<v Speaker 16>So like a couple of guys could have pushed it
<v Speaker 16>over what on its side, Probably not lifted, but you
<v Speaker 16>had some big, strong motherfuckers, you could probably push it over.
<v Speaker 16>And add on to that that it's ground and it
<v Speaker 16>was pretty close to the edge it was. It was
<v Speaker 16>probably a foot from the edge, and in that edge
<v Speaker 16>is where Taker's hand was coming up. So Taker's coming
<v Speaker 16>up through there and there's not a whole lot of
<v Speaker 16>support at that point. And it was scary as shit
<v Speaker 16>because when they started at the end of the night,
<v Speaker 16>you start like tearing everything down, and somebody just moved
<v Speaker 16>and that fucking thing started to come like that.
<v Speaker 17>And almost went into the into the hole.
<v Speaker 33>Oh no, So thank god that didn't happen at any
<v Speaker 33>time during the match or during the burial, because that
<v Speaker 33>would have been a really bad scene.
<v Speaker 16>Oh shit, they had to pump it back the other way.
<v Speaker 16>So that was one of those it's like all right
<v Speaker 16>if you notice, you know, on the subsequent very live matches,
<v Speaker 16>we didn't have that sturdy of headstones anymore.
<v Speaker 6>So, you know, as they were doing what it took
<v Speaker 6>to extract the undertaker, or at least clear the grave out,
<v Speaker 6>they realized that if they dug too close to where
<v Speaker 6>the grass met the grave the foot of the gravestone,
<v Speaker 6>it started to tilt forward. It needed more support in
<v Speaker 6>front of it than they realized. And so the idea is,
<v Speaker 6>what if the thing fell in the hole with one
<v Speaker 6>of the guys in there, they would be fucking dead
<v Speaker 6>and then it would really be buried alive.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Here's the thing though, that while everybody went to this
<v Speaker 6>this granite place to get to get the tombstone, Bruce
<v Speaker 6>Pritchard went to his grocer's freezer to get a tombstone.
<v Speaker 3>That's left out. Yeah they that that's an important detail
<v Speaker 3>that he doesn't mention on the on this podcast. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>so i'll do you get it to this this thing picture?
<v Speaker 34>You know, they make the cheese like rise on like
<v Speaker 34>they do the time laps, and yes, ye yep, the
<v Speaker 34>do rises and stuff like, what do you like on
<v Speaker 34>your team?
<v Speaker 3>What do you want on your tombs? Own bell, Operoni
<v Speaker 3>and sausage? Please? That is too much?
<v Speaker 6>So this uh, this tombstone apparently sits in the warehouse
<v Speaker 6>still and really, yeah, makefoley things would make a great
<v Speaker 6>coffee table, which is one way to think about it. Okay,
<v Speaker 6>I want to you want a six thousand pound coffee table?
<v Speaker 3>Sounds good?
<v Speaker 15>I do.
<v Speaker 6>From my steaming cup of senca and my lip perspiration.
<v Speaker 6>People nailed it well. We talked about when it was
<v Speaker 6>mentioned that Steamboat would walk around drinking a cup of
<v Speaker 6>coffee before he would go over the mat. I mean,
<v Speaker 6>there is nothing funnier to me, nothing funnier than somebody
<v Speaker 6>backstage to a pro wrestling event. Try to be like
<v Speaker 6>a real adult walking around drinking coffee like it's an office.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, pretending, pretending like what they do isn't
<v Speaker 3>completely frowned upon by the general public, that.
<v Speaker 6>It's something tantamount to, you know, a real workplace where
<v Speaker 6>you'd walk up to somebody while drinking coffee and you know,
<v Speaker 6>talk about.
<v Speaker 3>Things right, exactly your morning cup of Joe. So we
<v Speaker 3>heard the.
<v Speaker 6>We heard the back, We heard the back and forth
<v Speaker 6>from week one of the hype train for Buried Alive.
<v Speaker 6>This is where it kicks into gear. And this I
<v Speaker 6>believe they go home promos house, some of which is
<v Speaker 6>as we'll hear, we were shot and rather colorful, wacky
<v Speaker 6>conditions in this graveyard they found in Connecticut to do it.
<v Speaker 9>I'm no longer having a sleep fools.
<v Speaker 35>Qualitude because I now realize you will not be my body,
<v Speaker 35>willing me fool in the earth.
<v Speaker 18>You will be that of the undertaker.
<v Speaker 36>Yes, because I have addition, love new undertaker, your hands
<v Speaker 36>clawing a grape. You're done with your very old looking
<v Speaker 36>for friendship. Bind me none of your eyes undertaker.
<v Speaker 2>Looking find for mercy, finding only by Jim, a.
<v Speaker 35>New undertaker, your lungs gasping for pressed and finding only
<v Speaker 35>cold soil. I'm telling you, free, We're very loud and
<v Speaker 35>this Sunday night on football, but my image meets reality
<v Speaker 35>myself to slap.
<v Speaker 8>Crater.
<v Speaker 3>The rains have now stopped, but it's only the quiet
<v Speaker 3>before the real still storm.
<v Speaker 18>Buried Alive.
<v Speaker 3>Who could have thought that it would come to this.
<v Speaker 20>Each time you escape the clutches of these purple fists,
<v Speaker 20>you grew stronger, yet more evil. So you see, you've
<v Speaker 20>left me with no choice. I must now be your judge,
<v Speaker 20>your jury, and your executioner.
<v Speaker 6>Take care.
<v Speaker 20>If it takes destroying the Undertaker to destroy you mankind,
<v Speaker 20>well then that's what I would do. You must be extinguished.
<v Speaker 18>Why don't you try and imagine with those last few
<v Speaker 18>breaths were what tastes like?
<v Speaker 3>Try and imagine.
<v Speaker 12>What it would be like like, try and all your
<v Speaker 12>way out Alma monos pet, try to imagine what it
<v Speaker 12>will be like to never rest in peace.
<v Speaker 18>This is the final thing you'll ever see.
<v Speaker 3>Pretty good stuff. Yeah, it's all right. By the way,
<v Speaker 3>another time the rains stopped Russellmania forty. Thanks for that.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so he's talking about killing the guy. It's it's
<v Speaker 6>there's no other way to read that.
<v Speaker 3>It's so fucking it's so fucking morbid and dark like
<v Speaker 3>but you know it's like it's it's it's funny. It's
<v Speaker 3>not it's it's dark in it's still goofy. Yeah you
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. Like it's not dark like w
<v Speaker 3>CW was dark at the time, right with n W stuff,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like with legit just it's goofy.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, even when I'm a serious stakes. They couldn't keep
<v Speaker 6>the cartoon vine here, and they probably didn't want to.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>There's a certain amount of you can stretch the limit
<v Speaker 6>of where I'm going to kill you motherfucker at the
<v Speaker 6>pay per view, Yeah right. You know, it's the supernatural
<v Speaker 6>stuff that allows them to get away with it, and
<v Speaker 6>so they have to kind of fold that into the
<v Speaker 6>thematic taste of the vignettes and stuff. But as these things,
<v Speaker 6>as these kinds of things go, I think that those
<v Speaker 6>are excellent.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and uh sure it was good. A lot
<v Speaker 3>of story there.
<v Speaker 14>You know.
<v Speaker 6>One thing I would invite you to consider is, I mean,
<v Speaker 6>being buried alive.
<v Speaker 3>You think about ooh, horrifying.
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, because you're in a position where
<v Speaker 6>you're tied down, but you can watch it happen scoop
<v Speaker 6>by scoop, and like he says, that last breath of air,
<v Speaker 6>what would it taste like? That's the thing about being
<v Speaker 6>buried alive, right, boss, there has to be a last breath.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah right, And to think of the panic state of mind.
<v Speaker 6>I think about you know, uh, you've seen the kill
<v Speaker 6>Bill movies. Yeah, you know, when she's when Thurman is
<v Speaker 6>buried alive. She's in a fucking a wooden casket and
<v Speaker 6>she's buried alive.
<v Speaker 15>It is.
<v Speaker 3>It is one of the most horrifying things ever. I
<v Speaker 3>can feel her claustrophobia, I can feel her fear, and
<v Speaker 3>like just living in the darkness and like, oh fuck, it's.
<v Speaker 6>Just not coldness getting heavier, Oh Jesus, cold dirt getting
<v Speaker 6>heavier against yourself yep, and beginning to feel like at first,
<v Speaker 6>you can move your head right, At first, you can
<v Speaker 6>kind of pick your neck up a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>But the more you move it, the more you move it,
<v Speaker 3>I keep you know, it's funny I say that, and
<v Speaker 3>I immediately think of Rodie Piper. But the more you
<v Speaker 3>move it, the dirt settles around you, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>finds its way into new crevices, and it just you're you're, you're,
<v Speaker 3>you're dying more.
<v Speaker 6>And there comes a point where, you know, because your instinct,
<v Speaker 6>no matter what, is to lift your head, there comes
<v Speaker 6>a point where suddenly your head doesn't go up. That's right,
<v Speaker 6>and that doesn't go up anymore. Then it doesn't go
<v Speaker 6>up by more. Then it doesn't go up by more
<v Speaker 6>than pretty soon it's crushing, but it happens so gradually. Yes,
<v Speaker 6>I'm just you know, it's worth exploring. On this episode,
<v Speaker 6>I felt.
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, it's it's a horrifying thing. So uh, let's
<v Speaker 3>talk about let's talk about dying. Dying alive.
<v Speaker 6>I guess it's better than living dead, which Undertaker has
<v Speaker 6>been doing for some time. How can they bury him
<v Speaker 6>alive if he's already dead.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the thing. Like, I guess maybe that
<v Speaker 3>maybe that's why there was no real threat because he's
<v Speaker 3>already dead, and right, you know, it doesn't really matter.
<v Speaker 6>So they obviously shot these on a rainy day, and
<v Speaker 6>Pritchard remembers, you know, some talk about we've got all
<v Speaker 6>this thing because it's pouring down rain like crazy, and
<v Speaker 6>he's thinking, this is awesome, this is perfect. There's always
<v Speaker 6>somebody that thinks the rain is actually perfect, you know
<v Speaker 6>what I mean. Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, it just happens
<v Speaker 6>to save money too to actually go ahead and do it,
<v Speaker 6>of course, But he said, you know, the way the
<v Speaker 6>fog said it, And they didn't even need smoke machines
<v Speaker 6>or anything like that. They had natural fog rolling in.
<v Speaker 6>At certain points. They even had to wait for the
<v Speaker 6>fog to clear so they could see what they were doing.
<v Speaker 6>And Paul thought it was a rib on him that
<v Speaker 6>they were waiting so long throughout the whole thing. And
<v Speaker 6>Pritrude even said he had to buy Paul Barrow a
<v Speaker 6>new suit because the suit he was wearing was ruined
<v Speaker 6>and this rain soaks.
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it was starving too.
<v Speaker 6>I know, that's really what they had to make good on.
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure there was a there was a diner meal
<v Speaker 6>for the ages after.
<v Speaker 3>This, shear. Can you imagine? Can you can you imagine one.
<v Speaker 6>Thirty in the morning diner? Yep, Connecticut. I mean Paul
<v Speaker 6>is ordering, okay.
<v Speaker 3>He's just listen, he is, and he is just scarfing
<v Speaker 3>down all right. He's got pancakes, he's got bacon cash, yes,
<v Speaker 3>absolutely hash and he just going to town, going to town.
<v Speaker 6>I mean he sits down with the with the menu,
<v Speaker 6>and the waitress comes over and he goes, You've got
<v Speaker 6>everything on this menu, right, you know what I mean? Like,
<v Speaker 6>I'm not gonna I'm not fucking around here. Well, I
<v Speaker 6>suppose what is it that you were?
<v Speaker 3>What are you? What are you looking for? Left? I
<v Speaker 3>want it all inside, yes, I mean and so much.
<v Speaker 3>I want all the sandwiches. I want all the hash,
<v Speaker 3>I want all the bacon.
<v Speaker 20>In the back.
<v Speaker 3>I want on the bacon in the back, on the
<v Speaker 3>bacon you've already served people. Give it all.
<v Speaker 6>Give I think we think we whip you ond on
<v Speaker 6>something here, hold on, I want the banker, you've already
<v Speaker 6>served people. And then he said give it now. That's
<v Speaker 6>how he orders.
<v Speaker 3>No, no, give it now?
<v Speaker 11>For shit?
<v Speaker 6>He gets like this sometimes. Please can you just bring
<v Speaker 6>him something to hold him over?
<v Speaker 3>Can we git me right now? Please?
<v Speaker 15>What a what?
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry? Why? Why, sir? This person wants it more
<v Speaker 3>than you? What the rest policy?
<v Speaker 6>Sir? It's this guy's like tucking in, he's about he's
<v Speaker 6>about to have his first bite, and suddenly the plate
<v Speaker 6>lifts off his table. Nope, I'm sorry, sir that it's
<v Speaker 6>no longer you're me. Oh shit, I think we made
<v Speaker 6>a mistake. It belonged to this gentleman. He walked in
<v Speaker 6>a half hour after I did. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry,
<v Speaker 6>but he needs it more than you do. We're still
<v Speaker 6>gonna have to pay you just don't have to be
<v Speaker 6>charged twice though, And then they tell him before you
<v Speaker 6>even fucking think about it. This entitles you to nothing,
<v Speaker 6>and then Paul just leans back, opens his gullet like
<v Speaker 6>a latch, and the waitress slide slides it down the
<v Speaker 6>plate in his face.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, put it down.
<v Speaker 6>Put it sounds like he's being buried alive by pastrami hash.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>That's that's the irony.
<v Speaker 6>That's the irony is utter Taker got buried with dirt
<v Speaker 6>on the show, buried in diner hash.
<v Speaker 3>After the show.
<v Speaker 6>Oh god, Paul Bear is buried a live match. They
<v Speaker 6>just shovel hash down onto him. He said, a dirt.
<v Speaker 30>The harsh.
<v Speaker 3>Oh shit? Is he gargling it? Yeah? Could you take.
<v Speaker 6>I don't know what the problem is. I don't know
<v Speaker 6>why we can't explore these things.
<v Speaker 37>Normal.
<v Speaker 6>Heart is in the eye of the beholder, right, and
<v Speaker 6>hashes as well, it's in the mouth of the beholder. Yeah,
<v Speaker 6>Paul does breakfast. Okay, let me just tell you that
<v Speaker 6>he does breakfast. It doesn't matter what his breakfast exactly.
<v Speaker 3>That's what I was gonna say. Paul does breakfast at
<v Speaker 3>any time of day. It's almost like breakfast does him. Yes, so, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that was a man that's the shoot. But but this
<v Speaker 3>is this is the wildest part of this story. About
<v Speaker 3>filming these buried a live segments from My Money. Here's
<v Speaker 3>Nick Foley on his podcast. We're calling coming upon a
<v Speaker 3>very curious scene because you know, in these vignettes there's
<v Speaker 3>a legit grave plot right there, big hole. They didn't
<v Speaker 3>they didn't dig it. I mean, that would have been
<v Speaker 3>a lot of work. There is a pre existing hole
<v Speaker 3>in the ground in this the cemetery that they should
<v Speaker 3>have had savage to dig it for this thing.
<v Speaker 9>Dig it in a.
<v Speaker 6>Taking souls digging holes and so but you know you
<v Speaker 6>need a hole in the ground to do this thing.
<v Speaker 6>I mean you have to know you're asked from a
<v Speaker 6>hole in the ground as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 6>So when they get there, this is somebody's plot that
<v Speaker 6>they're filming these vignettes in. But what they didn't count
<v Speaker 6>on is that person boss showing up.
<v Speaker 3>No.
<v Speaker 18>What I remember most raining crazy rain.
<v Speaker 15>I remember being extremely excited and you know commitment, you
<v Speaker 15>know commitment, and then I remember there being a.
<v Speaker 18>Little bit of a time out as.
<v Speaker 38>We meaning the WW team had to discuss this unique
<v Speaker 38>situation with the owner of that particular plot of cemetery,
<v Speaker 38>who just happened.
<v Speaker 15>To pick this dark and stormy night to visit their
<v Speaker 15>final resting place for their loved one.
<v Speaker 18>Find Paul Barra and mankind in their grave.
<v Speaker 4>So uh, all right, he gonna help me out here?
<v Speaker 3>Are you?
<v Speaker 32>Are you saying that there was a funeral plans maybe
<v Speaker 32>for the following day and they had already dug the
<v Speaker 32>whole one.
<v Speaker 18>No, I don't think it was for fong day.
<v Speaker 15>I think this was just you know, people that buy
<v Speaker 15>a plot of land for their tournament feature place and
<v Speaker 15>they just and they want to see it, they want
<v Speaker 15>to visit.
<v Speaker 18>It makes people feel good to know.
<v Speaker 15>Remember in a Christmas Carol where Bob cratchit's like, oh
<v Speaker 15>it's such a leafy lowny place and does my heart good.
<v Speaker 18>And you know, so a final resting place, it's really
<v Speaker 18>important people.
<v Speaker 15>And so I believe I do not believe there was
<v Speaker 15>a funeral there the next day and that someone is
<v Speaker 15>going to be laid down in that grave. I could
<v Speaker 15>be wrong, but my understanding was it was just someone
<v Speaker 15>who happened to pick that time to visit their grave
<v Speaker 15>and they showed up and brother, there is mankind coming
<v Speaker 15>out of the grave cutting promos in the rain, Paul
<v Speaker 15>Barre going.
<v Speaker 18>Oh yeah, just we even took a little.
<v Speaker 15>I think it was Clint Black who was saying, I'm
<v Speaker 15>no stranger to the rain, and Paul Bear.
<v Speaker 18>Like, oh, Mankind, I'm no stranger to the rain.
<v Speaker 15>It was you could you know, you wouldn't write that
<v Speaker 15>if you wrote a scene where a guy comes first
<v Speaker 15>of all, only in wrestling, would you be doing vignettees
<v Speaker 15>in a graveyard during I'll say it was an electrical
<v Speaker 15>storm because it sounds better that way, but it was
<v Speaker 15>a serious rainstorm.
<v Speaker 18>We can cut to.
<v Speaker 15>You know, if anyone look at those vignettes, I don't
<v Speaker 15>think we're allowed to show that type of stuff anymore.
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, it was.
<v Speaker 10>It was.
<v Speaker 15>It was a really rough night and they arrived to
<v Speaker 15>find the hardcore legend frolicking about and they loved ones tone.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that is absurd.
<v Speaker 6>The person seeing the guy in the Mankind outfit back
<v Speaker 6>then with the mask and everything that is funny and
<v Speaker 6>someone looking like ball Bear.
<v Speaker 3>I mean right, I mean, there there is definitely cause
<v Speaker 3>for concern. There's definitely you know, I don't know make it.
<v Speaker 6>I think there's a pretty good chance that they arrived
<v Speaker 6>at the site because I don't know, perhaps they were
<v Speaker 6>invited because there was an agreement clearly to use the
<v Speaker 6>burial plot. This is me talking for it, seeing evidence
<v Speaker 6>of this being the case, But it just adds up
<v Speaker 6>to me, you know.
<v Speaker 3>I mean totally. I mean, I mean, there is there
<v Speaker 3>is opportunity that it is possibility rather that it is
<v Speaker 3>you know, random, but I doubt it. I doubt it.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but quite the site to envision. Nonetheless, as they
<v Speaker 6>put the hype in the box for WWF in your House,
<v Speaker 6>Buried Alive here probably the same graveyard. I don't think
<v Speaker 6>I know that Conrad didn't ask Bruce the question because
<v Speaker 6>I think Bruce did his Buried a live episode before
<v Speaker 6>the COVID Boneyard match, because he's making reference to it
<v Speaker 6>as something that he always wanted to do but something
<v Speaker 6>that ultimately never happened. I would like to know if
<v Speaker 6>this is the same graveyard that they shot the boneyard
<v Speaker 6>match in. Oh interesting because that was definitely in Kinneticut
<v Speaker 6>as well.
<v Speaker 3>Was that a graveyard though I thought the boneyard was
<v Speaker 3>kind of like more of a back alley type thing.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, they did have that big, huge shed and stuff,
<v Speaker 6>but there was there was definitely doesn't it end in
<v Speaker 6>a graveyard?
<v Speaker 3>Does he chokes? Lamb him in a hole. We put
<v Speaker 3>them in a hole. I don't know if it's a
<v Speaker 3>graveyard though.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Interesting, So that's uh, that's the color from the vignette
<v Speaker 6>shot to get people ready for this thing. One of
<v Speaker 6>the moments in the match itself that I was very
<v Speaker 6>happy Mick has commented on was when he puts a
<v Speaker 6>fucking inside cradle on at the top.
<v Speaker 3>Of the hill. Yes, he does. What a fucking joke
<v Speaker 3>did you think of that? I thought it was the
<v Speaker 3>dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean, like, like,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I saw it as a way like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>they're trying to get down the hill, but like, really, really,
<v Speaker 3>that's that's what you're gonna do? So stupid.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that was That was the thing about Foley's nineties
<v Speaker 6>brawls is while they did feature, you know, hugely insane
<v Speaker 6>risk taking, he would be very conscientious about how can
<v Speaker 6>we work a neck breaker in, how can we work
<v Speaker 6>a backdrop in how do I work.
<v Speaker 3>Which you know I appreciate to a certain degree, but
<v Speaker 3>you know, he doesn't need to actually happen.
<v Speaker 6>A small package to the next to the burial plot. Well,
<v Speaker 6>it happened, and they rolled down the hill together, and
<v Speaker 6>here's the thought process from Mick himself homeboy, But.
<v Speaker 15>I specifically heard it from a fan who wanted me
<v Speaker 15>to discuss the small package down the amount of earth.
<v Speaker 3>We got to talk about that.
<v Speaker 15>You gotta talk about it, oh again, go into the
<v Speaker 15>Bret Hart of small packages in a buried alive match.
<v Speaker 15>I think that people just saw me do it, said
<v Speaker 15>we're not even going to try that, like it's been
<v Speaker 15>done as well as a box of agent. And my
<v Speaker 15>idea to take a simple pinning maneuver that would not
<v Speaker 15>yield much of a pop in the ring, take it
<v Speaker 15>outside its element, and all of a sudden it becomes
<v Speaker 15>something pretty cool.
<v Speaker 18>So for example, the you know, the.
<v Speaker 15>Sunset flip and the ring hasn't beaten anybody in a
<v Speaker 15>couple dozen years, but you do that off the ring,
<v Speaker 15>Apron Brother, and it looks like a million bucks. Do
<v Speaker 15>it from the second rope to the outside, especially there's
<v Speaker 15>Matt's out there and bro.
<v Speaker 18>Now it's a high impact move, highlight reel.
<v Speaker 15>So I just thought, here's something that you would never
<v Speaker 15>see in a mankind undertaker match, a small package.
<v Speaker 13>But because of the mount of earth, we rolled down
<v Speaker 13>the dirt, and I thought it was pretty cool. It's
<v Speaker 13>one of those things that may have been so goofy.
<v Speaker 15>I would not even have proposed it beforehand, so I
<v Speaker 15>can't tell you whether or not I passed that by Undertaker.
<v Speaker 15>I think i'd be afraid that he would put the
<v Speaker 15>kebash on it, So it may have been called out
<v Speaker 15>there on the earth.
<v Speaker 6>Calling small packages in a buried alive match, McK foley,
<v Speaker 6>ladies and gentlemen. I mean, I think it's so stupid.
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like it. I thought it was so just bogus.
<v Speaker 6>As opposed to the rest of the match. I get it,
<v Speaker 6>that's right exactly as most of the rest of the
<v Speaker 6>phony matter. And I don't know about those sunset flips
<v Speaker 6>to the floor. Make a sunset flip is a pinning combination.
<v Speaker 6>It's not a move that hurts anybody. Yeah, I'd never
<v Speaker 6>understood why he did that. Maybe in a false cut
<v Speaker 6>anywhere match, you catch a guy by surprise and roll
<v Speaker 6>him up on the floor when he doesn't expect to
<v Speaker 6>be rolled up. But he's talking about it like it's
<v Speaker 6>something that's devastating, and I'm like, I know, yeah, we
<v Speaker 6>both think in the same thing when we say, sunset
<v Speaker 6>flip here.
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's I mean, if you're doing it on
<v Speaker 3>a certain you know, it can be a like a
<v Speaker 3>like like a powerbombish move if you do it outside
<v Speaker 3>the ring or whatever. But like if you're if you
<v Speaker 3>go over, you know, if your opponent's on the apron
<v Speaker 3>and you do kind of the sunset flip dive over
<v Speaker 3>the ropes and then you know, you power bomb him.
<v Speaker 3>But it's not really I don't know. I don't think
<v Speaker 3>it's that interesting of him. I don't think it's interesting
<v Speaker 3>as he thinks it is.
<v Speaker 6>So the Birdlive matches central character, mankind, undertaker, central characters
<v Speaker 6>here at Bird Alive also essential characters. We've talked about
<v Speaker 6>his Jim Ross, Yes, and of course it is mentioned
<v Speaker 6>he'd already brought in the Vietnamese razor and diesel. What
<v Speaker 6>the faux razor and diesel. So here's Jim on his
<v Speaker 6>podcast about the whole deal and how cranky and contankerous
<v Speaker 6>he was, and God bless the man. I mean, I
<v Speaker 6>love this so much.
<v Speaker 7>That was the two vinces. I'm assuming Russo and McMahon.
<v Speaker 3>He's talking here.
<v Speaker 6>He's asked who came up with the idea of constantly
<v Speaker 6>cutting out his audio while he's trying to do commentary
<v Speaker 6>during bard a lot.
<v Speaker 7>That was the two vinces. I'm assuming Russo and McMahon
<v Speaker 7>just create a deal, create a little twist. They weren't
<v Speaker 7>sure where to go with this thing you know here
<v Speaker 7>that come out allegedly a heel bring back these two
<v Speaker 7>Foe Raise or Diesel guys. I cut promos in the Northeast.
<v Speaker 7>I do all these things that are allegedly going to
<v Speaker 7>get me a heat. It got me more over than
<v Speaker 7>anything I ever did. So I used to really bitch
<v Speaker 7>Avon about this too, because it was a lousy booking.
<v Speaker 7>Let's be honest about it. I was miscast. I was
<v Speaker 7>not I was not good in the role. I feels said, Hey,
<v Speaker 7>why the hell do you always Bishimon man God about
<v Speaker 7>doing these things? Hey, look, I never got I never
<v Speaker 7>bitched the moon and got get beat up by the
<v Speaker 7>Undertaker or or getting bloodied by Austin or Bishoff or
<v Speaker 7>or the Hussein guy. I got beat up by so
<v Speaker 7>God that coach, I mean, everybody beat my ass uh
<v Speaker 7>And I never had no problem with that.
<v Speaker 8>I wasn't.
<v Speaker 7>I didn't like it because I felt I was better utilized.
<v Speaker 7>At the desk trying to get talent over instead of
<v Speaker 7>me being in the ring, my fat old ass trying
<v Speaker 7>to get me over. It made no sense, wrong investment
<v Speaker 7>in time. So I just didn't like the I thought
<v Speaker 7>I was a miscast. I didn't think I was. We
<v Speaker 7>were using our time as we best we should, and
<v Speaker 7>so I guess the bottom line, he could cut through
<v Speaker 7>all the bullshit for me. I didn't think I was
<v Speaker 7>very good at a Conrad And how many of us
<v Speaker 7>want to go on national television or global television and
<v Speaker 7>be an on camera and doing something that we know
<v Speaker 7>is not very good. And I knew that JR. As
<v Speaker 7>a heel and this connotation, this presentation was not going
<v Speaker 7>to be good.
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was pretty good. I mean, I thought
<v Speaker 3>it was great. I mean, I think I don't know
<v Speaker 3>if he's just talking more about his in ring stuff,
<v Speaker 3>but I mean I thought I thought everything was you know,
<v Speaker 3>I thought this whole thing was fantastic.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Vince tells him after he cuts the promo we're
<v Speaker 6>going to play later on Raw that he'd cut a
<v Speaker 6>great promo. He's getting positive feedback for the work he
<v Speaker 6>was doing here.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>I think he probably is conflating it with the reaction
<v Speaker 6>to the fake Raisin and Diesel character. But I don't
<v Speaker 6>conflate that with his promos, right, His promos are just like,
<v Speaker 6>you know, laser guided missiles at Vince McMahon's peccadillos and
<v Speaker 6>how arbitrary it was to work there. But like he
<v Speaker 6>makes this comment, you know, because he would be on
<v Speaker 6>wrong color commentary trying to play this character out and
<v Speaker 6>making fun of things and just you know, being pissed
<v Speaker 6>off about stuff. This is something he says about Feruke's headwear,
<v Speaker 6>which we get one last glimpse of on the show
<v Speaker 6>as I'm at Johnson attacks a backstage, taking him out
<v Speaker 6>of the match with Dark Merriw, and then Ron Simmons
<v Speaker 6>goes on an injury hiatus and when he comes back
<v Speaker 6>he's Nation of Domination. We don't see the Faruka headgear anymore.
<v Speaker 6>That is a short lived monstrosity. I mean, that thing
<v Speaker 6>on that guy's head boss is just I can't.
<v Speaker 3>Believe it's one of the biggest It's such a huge joke, Like,
<v Speaker 3>like what are they think of? It gets a gladiator
<v Speaker 3>type of thing, but like it's so fucking dumb, so stupid.
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what. The thing on the head is
<v Speaker 3>better than the fucking the gladiator's skirt he would wear. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>we're going for the role that was worse. But man,
<v Speaker 3>what a stupid thing to do with Ron Simmons.
<v Speaker 6>But you put your r out there live mic Can
<v Speaker 6>you say, hey, you know, say what you would say
<v Speaker 6>about the creative and the company if you had no filter?
<v Speaker 6>And this is what he says when a froot comes
<v Speaker 6>up in this time period.
<v Speaker 31>You know that headgear is embarrassing, isn't visibic?
<v Speaker 27>Man?
<v Speaker 31>In addition to being an ego maniac a marketing genius,
<v Speaker 31>why would you put a head gear on a three
<v Speaker 31>time All American from Port to State University? I mean,
<v Speaker 31>I don't understand this whatsoever. And I think that head
<v Speaker 31>gear is a motivating factor or perot.
<v Speaker 6>It invincibles to be a marketing genius, a motivating factor.
<v Speaker 6>It's a motivating factor. All right, Yeah, what a storyline.
<v Speaker 6>I hate my gimmick so much that I'm gonna do well.
<v Speaker 6>I know, that's just it. That's the funny fucking thing.
<v Speaker 6>So we mentioned it already. What debuted around this point
<v Speaker 6>in time that helps accentuate this short lived Jr. Character Well,
<v Speaker 6>you know, whenever we talk about a show that's a
<v Speaker 6>core memory from when it used to be better, we
<v Speaker 6>got to hear it too, boss right, we can't just
<v Speaker 6>talk about Yes, I invite you to experience once again
<v Speaker 6>that Saturday morning feeling of the short lived w w
<v Speaker 6>F Live Wire.
<v Speaker 3>I gotta.
<v Speaker 8>Can get a.
<v Speaker 9>Welcome everyone.
<v Speaker 8>Don't read the money tell me said. Yes, this is
<v Speaker 8>a mazing boy in double live Wire, totally live. He's
<v Speaker 8>the name James B.
<v Speaker 2>Corner this.
<v Speaker 8>Year. I'm quite nan.
<v Speaker 21>It's a beautiful What about Big Daddy to the Diesel
<v Speaker 21>and the bag Guy Raisermont return to the world Westling
<v Speaker 21>gonna read?
<v Speaker 9>That's what Jim Ross says.
<v Speaker 10>And I don't know.
<v Speaker 29>You know, Ross is always bugging me.
<v Speaker 9>I don't care, I don't wait.
<v Speaker 8>Well, we have Jim Ross on the program.
<v Speaker 9>Jr. Is standing by Jim.
<v Speaker 8>Come on in here.
<v Speaker 37>We want to talk about what's going on.
<v Speaker 9>Everyone comes to.
<v Speaker 8>K these off Razor ramone. You made this announcement. However,
<v Speaker 8>guerrillam on soon is backing right away in this whole thing.
<v Speaker 37>Before I ask you to comment on that, I want
<v Speaker 37>to just refresh your memory and take you back and
<v Speaker 37>tell you exactly what.
<v Speaker 8>Guerrillaman soon said. Guys will roll back clip the w
<v Speaker 8>WS president.
<v Speaker 29>Well, Jim Ross, and you have really piqued my curiosity.
<v Speaker 29>And so who will actually be appearing on the program
<v Speaker 29>next week? Because I can tell you officially from the
<v Speaker 29>w w S officers that Kevin mad and Scott Hall
<v Speaker 29>will not be appearing currently under contract to another organization.
<v Speaker 29>I would like to apologize to all the fans of
<v Speaker 29>the w WS who feel that they have been I
<v Speaker 29>would wink or misled by Jim Ross say even then,
<v Speaker 29>with that in mind, I will remain here in the
<v Speaker 29>studio for the rest of the program to monitor it
<v Speaker 29>and make sure that no other than mislead these statements
<v Speaker 29>on me.
<v Speaker 37>Well, I guess he told you standing listen, Well, I
<v Speaker 37>have a hard time. I'm maintaining my concentration here. You know,
<v Speaker 37>I'm a very happily moneyed man.
<v Speaker 9>Why don't you know?
<v Speaker 7>Uh?
<v Speaker 37>He just does I just at it said it go Uh.
<v Speaker 9>I mean, if you're happy that you aren't probably miserable
<v Speaker 9>a lot days.
<v Speaker 37>I mean I might have walked back in Oklahoma I
<v Speaker 37>felt I don't never yet about my uh dialogue with
<v Speaker 37>Billing month Ting on on Monday night. I you know,
<v Speaker 37>Bill and I are good fans and we've been talking
<v Speaker 37>for a long time. Travel millions of miles got to
<v Speaker 37>literally out here in the w W and they came
<v Speaker 37>about it. I stand by my sources. As a matter
<v Speaker 37>of fact, I talked to the Ranger Diesel and if
<v Speaker 37>if everything involved negotiations can be finalized. But I think
<v Speaker 37>they can't be. There's a very good opportunity and take
<v Speaker 37>the story here that the rumor has to wait us
<v Speaker 37>and meet me in front of help you tomorrow night
<v Speaker 37>on the paper up to the room.
<v Speaker 8>What can you tell us who your sources are?
<v Speaker 4>I mean, or what you know?
<v Speaker 9>You're in the podcast in business and when you're getting as.
<v Speaker 8>Long as I have, tell me.
<v Speaker 7>What is it?
<v Speaker 10>You know?
<v Speaker 28>Whatever to tell what you need to do with it.
<v Speaker 9>Isn't buite, frankly. But if you can't publish your sources
<v Speaker 9>are all these are no more sorts.
<v Speaker 15>You know that.
<v Speaker 8>I want to take a quick phone call here. Let's
<v Speaker 8>go to Indiana High. Who says Caroline, Caroline, what's the question?
<v Speaker 7>Uh?
<v Speaker 8>My question is on Carolyn, get right, I don't get wrong.
<v Speaker 7>I know you do you know?
<v Speaker 8>I have her mind whole's show me somebody else. She
<v Speaker 8>just what did just cut around?
<v Speaker 9>Let's talk to Joe in New York. Joe, you're on? Yeah, Hi, Toddy,
<v Speaker 9>I just had a question more were do the action have?
<v Speaker 9>Grolmanson quote, you're a liar, and that's sort that's what
<v Speaker 9>he's saying.
<v Speaker 18>Well, what frankly I.
<v Speaker 7>Do with me?
<v Speaker 28>Hurt my fivbingpo But I think I think there's a
<v Speaker 28>situation that simply.
<v Speaker 37>Is that what's work on Monday night? I mean fight
<v Speaker 37>If raising Diesel aren't on the program Monday nights, there
<v Speaker 37>wrong going to know that my systs were wrong and
<v Speaker 37>I would lift to leave the air in judgment. But
<v Speaker 37>I said, by my horsesn't it? And I thought that
<v Speaker 37>Mom says, then realize.
<v Speaker 8>You don't show up, you're gonna have any goblin on
<v Speaker 8>your feece you.
<v Speaker 18>Realize that, of course, what are your rings?
<v Speaker 4>And those gags to drill?
<v Speaker 9>You know that's original.
<v Speaker 39>If he said it, I wouldn't believe it. But coming
<v Speaker 39>from you, I read you, I know it's a very
<v Speaker 39>soul face on story. Believe you don't mean she's very simple.
<v Speaker 8>We can we can talk about all we want.
<v Speaker 37>That's the harn say what he wants and if that's all,
<v Speaker 37>find everybody else.
<v Speaker 9>I had the right to the opinion.
<v Speaker 37>If I just bringing out the program right, everybody can interact.
<v Speaker 37>The bottom line is that Monday night.
<v Speaker 9>If not on the paper he before, Razor and Diesel
<v Speaker 9>will be back in the ws w F absolutely live.
<v Speaker 8>And I hope to have the opportunity in the purpose
<v Speaker 8>to talk to you. Don't want to manage it.
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.
<v Speaker 9>I might have known.
<v Speaker 8>Probably you ain't.
<v Speaker 7>Stop.
<v Speaker 9>Can we take another phone call here?
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're a lot of water.
<v Speaker 9>Maybe you're a question.
<v Speaker 8>Oh, I just got a question for Sunny.
<v Speaker 9>You are great.
<v Speaker 8>Thanks?
<v Speaker 33>And how much?
<v Speaker 9>Oh, I'm just curious how you.
<v Speaker 17>Think you match up in terms of the middle capacity
<v Speaker 17>with Jim Cornette.
<v Speaker 9>Who you're going to be.
<v Speaker 8>He's like he graduated Tandy and honey, my I is
<v Speaker 8>wait to pay to him. And I don't have anything
<v Speaker 8>to worry about because come come tomorrow and I mind him. Okay,
<v Speaker 8>my boy, I'm gonna be and I gat me just
<v Speaker 8>explained one thing. If you look up and wanted it
<v Speaker 8>up and rolled it into a bot.
<v Speaker 3>Of Jesus going on there.
<v Speaker 6>Sorry for the low audio quality, it's it's really the
<v Speaker 6>only surviving stuff from from the Live Wire that I
<v Speaker 6>could find.
<v Speaker 3>I you know, I never watched it. I didn't. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't if I wish I had understood, you know. To me,
<v Speaker 3>it just it seemed like a weird, like I didn't
<v Speaker 3>have any desire to like watch wrestling. That wasn't it.
<v Speaker 3>They didn't have any wrestling. Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was interesting because it was kind of like
<v Speaker 6>playing into the the Smark fan online. Like the idea
<v Speaker 6>that people could call in and bring up WCW or
<v Speaker 6>ECW was very alluring. So for people that were following
<v Speaker 6>the business in that way at that time, right, it
<v Speaker 6>was cool. It was it was it was an idea
<v Speaker 6>with a lot of promise.
<v Speaker 3>It's funny. I think I would have appreciated had I
<v Speaker 3>really known what it was.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And they didn't know what it was going to be,
<v Speaker 6>and it turned out to be kind of rough because
<v Speaker 6>I don't know how many of those phone calls are legit.
<v Speaker 6>They did one famously where Bruce from Connecticut called in
<v Speaker 6>and it was actually Paul Hayman and it goes off
<v Speaker 6>on Vince and does they shaped and in retrospect, you
<v Speaker 6>know they were in they were in goots you know
<v Speaker 6>that Joe from New York may have been a Joe
<v Speaker 6>Villa who was a longtime publicity man for them. There
<v Speaker 6>were people calling in that clearly were you know, it's
<v Speaker 6>like the audience at primetime wrestling, right, they can't help themselves,
<v Speaker 6>right right, at a certain point, they're on the air
<v Speaker 6>to afford their storylines and if random colors aren't going
<v Speaker 6>to form, they're gonna do it. But there were some
<v Speaker 6>questions that got through, like, well, you know this guy
<v Speaker 6>come back from WCW, what do you think of the
<v Speaker 6>nWo that kind of stuff, and there was a there
<v Speaker 6>was a lot of hosts. Pentgill didn't last very long.
<v Speaker 6>They put JR. In the role, they put they put
<v Speaker 6>Vince Russo kind of in the role as well. That's
<v Speaker 6>when he first became an on screen character. Really is
<v Speaker 6>Vic Venom was? He was right, he was on there,
<v Speaker 6>you know, speaking truth to power and all that, and
<v Speaker 6>that's kind of part of the backstage stuff that's illustrated
<v Speaker 6>by this JR.
<v Speaker 3>Careacer. I can't believe I'm looking here and I can't
<v Speaker 3>believe it was on for five years.
<v Speaker 6>Well, it wasn't this format for more than six months.
<v Speaker 6>After that, it just becomes just like a Saturday morning
<v Speaker 6>recap show that they just called Live Wire. I don't
<v Speaker 6>know why they didn't change the name of it after
<v Speaker 6>they did the stop doing the live call ins. But
<v Speaker 6>there's something that's such a ballbuster about having to go
<v Speaker 6>in on Saturday mornings and do the show. But I
<v Speaker 6>kind of love it too. I kind of love the
<v Speaker 6>idea of like it being Saturday morning.
<v Speaker 3>At eight am. Absolutely, and so there's live energy in
<v Speaker 3>Titan Tower. I don't I just love it, but I
<v Speaker 3>do too. I think it's a great, great, great great thing.
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't it wasn't long lived, but it was. It
<v Speaker 6>was definitely very interesting. So we're gonna try to get
<v Speaker 6>up here Jr's promo that that obviously followed that that
<v Speaker 6>bit of tease on Live Wire. You can see how
<v Speaker 6>much effort they put into it being kind of subtle.
<v Speaker 3>You know.
<v Speaker 6>It wasn't just like this real cheesy like you know
<v Speaker 6>they're coming. It was the people questioning it openly on air,
<v Speaker 6>and JR. You know, making the case in the face
<v Speaker 6>of the criticism that now, in fact, if you tune in,
<v Speaker 6>you will see this happen. And uh, and here's what
<v Speaker 6>j R. Ultimately says when the day comes around for
<v Speaker 6>him to unveil a fake Razor and Diesel, but not
<v Speaker 6>before he gives the ww fans.
<v Speaker 2>In the air for a commercial break.
<v Speaker 11>We're gonna conduct this interview right now, and it just.
<v Speaker 2>A couple of moments.
<v Speaker 11>I want to break big Guy to kill Diese little
<v Speaker 11>Razor amone right out here. But before I do, I
<v Speaker 11>like to just beg your indulgence for just a minute
<v Speaker 11>or so and tell you something that.
<v Speaker 2>I've got on my mind.
<v Speaker 11>There, something I've been waiting to say for a long
<v Speaker 11>long time.
<v Speaker 2>And when improved telling you, many of you are going
<v Speaker 2>to question.
<v Speaker 11>My loyalty to the World Wrestling Federation.
<v Speaker 28>So let's clear that.
<v Speaker 19>Up right now what you're talking about, I have no idea.
<v Speaker 11>I have no loyalty to the World Wrestling Federation.
<v Speaker 3>Damn right, baby Face park it popswork.
<v Speaker 2>To good old Jr. Let me tell you why whyteen
<v Speaker 2>ninety three, I left.
<v Speaker 11>A great job in Atlanta, Georgia.
<v Speaker 15>Was it?
<v Speaker 11>And I left the Atlanta Falcons of the National Football
<v Speaker 11>League to go to the Wrecking Lives Leader, a sports
<v Speaker 11>entertainment the WWM, and I came here to be the
<v Speaker 11>primary play by play man in the WWM. I don't
<v Speaker 11>think anybody here is going to disagree that I'm the
<v Speaker 11>best play by play man in the whole damn business.
<v Speaker 3>I think you're supposed to be heal Wines and he's
<v Speaker 3>been sure, yeah right, And there preaking coming for you.
<v Speaker 2>The first day at WrestleMania nine.
<v Speaker 11>In Las Vegas, Nevada, and they give me a sheet
<v Speaker 11>to wear. They said, oh, it's going to be a toga.
<v Speaker 11>You look good in the toga. J Are I leave
<v Speaker 11>the National Football League for a toga?
<v Speaker 2>It's crap.
<v Speaker 11>And then, ladies and gentlemen, I go to the first
<v Speaker 11>team in the ring and Stainton, Ohio, and I guarantee
<v Speaker 11>you you broadcast. I carried the broadcast from rigside. And
<v Speaker 11>then did you ever wonder where o' j r.
<v Speaker 14>Went to?
<v Speaker 2>Why is it Jay R doing play by play anymore?
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you why?
<v Speaker 11>Cause the owner of the World rest they Federation and
<v Speaker 11>you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about miss
<v Speaker 11>McMahon couldn't stand the competition.
<v Speaker 3>Why's he doing this?
<v Speaker 2>This is rather unfortunate, So tell your disappear.
<v Speaker 11>And then on Super Bowl Sunday in nineteen ninety four,
<v Speaker 11>I woke up with an affliction called Bell's palsy, and
<v Speaker 11>my entire lift side of my face looks.
<v Speaker 3>Like I was your fault. That's your fault, pal. I
<v Speaker 3>didn't you think I like that my left eye. You
<v Speaker 3>should have been more careful about that palm.
<v Speaker 11>Let me tell you how warm hearted mister McMahon is.
<v Speaker 11>Mister McMahon called me into his office on February the eleventh,
<v Speaker 11>nineteen ninety four, and he fired my ass.
<v Speaker 3>No, I can't have some of them Bell's Pauls are
<v Speaker 3>on television. Come on.
<v Speaker 2>So I get back in my car and I'm driving
<v Speaker 2>to my home in that.
<v Speaker 11>Overpriced hellhole, Connecticut, and I'm trying to figure out how
<v Speaker 11>I'm going to tell my wife and my two little
<v Speaker 11>girls that their daddy had just got fired.
<v Speaker 3>And so then, remember was ten when.
<v Speaker 2>McMahon got indicted. Then you know somebody to come back
<v Speaker 2>and do raw. They call O Jr. And then they
<v Speaker 2>let me go again.
<v Speaker 11>So finally they call me back, hiring me back for
<v Speaker 11>fifty cents on the dollar to come back and work
<v Speaker 11>in the front office.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that all these.
<v Speaker 11>Guys leaving the WWF was an accident?
<v Speaker 2>Hell no, it's not. You think all these guys coming
<v Speaker 2>here was an accident. Absolutely not. I've been very.
<v Speaker 11>Busy and right now I want to bring back one
<v Speaker 11>of your favorites.
<v Speaker 2>He's the God Razor promo.
<v Speaker 3>And we know where it goes from there. Yeah, directly
<v Speaker 3>down hill. That's a good promo. It's it's a it's
<v Speaker 3>a great promo, and it's it's you know when they
<v Speaker 3>it's funny, you know how great people are when you
<v Speaker 3>let him just fucking talk right, you know, and express
<v Speaker 3>themselves because he's he's he's money, he's money. And then
<v Speaker 3>it's just sad that he you know that they gave
<v Speaker 3>him the fucking worst possible payoff of all time.
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they just totally follow that. Yeah, because they were
<v Speaker 6>interested in Jim. They weren't interested in I mean, I
<v Speaker 6>guess theoretically they were interested in if that was actually
<v Speaker 6>going to be racing.
<v Speaker 3>But but but they you know, they they were, but
<v Speaker 3>you know, we all were. But I remember, I mean,
<v Speaker 3>that's one of those moments that you don't forget if
<v Speaker 3>you saw it live, right, because it's it was such
<v Speaker 3>a shift and it was the first it was the
<v Speaker 3>first time that I felt that the curtain was pulled
<v Speaker 3>back and that we saw something real.
<v Speaker 6>For someone to go out and why are all these
<v Speaker 6>people leaving the WWF. That was like right right, it's like,
<v Speaker 6>you know, Diesel on the cover, Why why did you leave?
<v Speaker 7>Yep?
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yeap.
<v Speaker 6>Kind of thing really cool, really cool, It's great, and
<v Speaker 6>it's hard to it's hard to fully contextualize how unusual
<v Speaker 6>that was to the ear in nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, you get that's the thing. You got
<v Speaker 3>to think about the fact that that that that kind
<v Speaker 3>of stuff was never was never set on television effort,
<v Speaker 3>that this all predates the heel vents, you know. Yep.
<v Speaker 6>So it was really you really felt like you you
<v Speaker 6>were watching someone put in their foot in their mouth
<v Speaker 6>and you know, risking getting terminated.
<v Speaker 3>Yep.
<v Speaker 6>But here is a he was able to clap back,
<v Speaker 6>I guess you could say. On the October fifth Live Wire,
<v Speaker 6>Vince is an in studio guest, and of course the
<v Speaker 6>remarks there by Jim Ross are among the many things
<v Speaker 6>he's asked about, and Vince has, you know, just some
<v Speaker 6>some of the most hilariously like Vince responses You've ever
<v Speaker 6>heard to a lot of this stuff. A couple of
<v Speaker 6>pieces of sound here from Live Wire.
<v Speaker 18>I would like to talk to the fans.
<v Speaker 14>I know they want to.
<v Speaker 9>I got a real quick question for you. Didn't bother
<v Speaker 9>you hurt joint? Did it hurt you? What Jim off
<v Speaker 9>thank you was going off? I mean I would imagine
<v Speaker 9>that it would JR has been.
<v Speaker 24>If he's not now filled with chronald uh and he
<v Speaker 24>is distorting the fact. Jim Ross, as a matter of fact,
<v Speaker 24>was not fired Jim Lass. He was only fired on
<v Speaker 24>one occasion for a perfificient reason.
<v Speaker 6>It was not.
<v Speaker 24>Elected not to pick up his contract unfortunately contracted Bell's
<v Speaker 24>palsy at about the same time.
<v Speaker 9>What was doing he got tired? Then well that's the
<v Speaker 9>second time again. But the first time he claims he
<v Speaker 9>was fired, he really was. He was just a contract.
<v Speaker 9>And then from there the second reason he got fired
<v Speaker 9>because you're talking to the wrong people giving away trade
<v Speaker 9>secret things about nature. Side from an inside certain point,
<v Speaker 9>who did the joffe? Can you name the specifically? I mean,
<v Speaker 9>what's the ship writers?
<v Speaker 24>Now that's my opinion, and I'll play the game, we'll run.
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, But I think JR, you know, weren't to talk
<v Speaker 9>to anyone.
<v Speaker 24>I mean, JYR had a problem, I think in terms
<v Speaker 24>of credibility, and and JR likes to have as back
<v Speaker 24>padded a bit, as we all do, but they are
<v Speaker 24>maybe more than others.
<v Speaker 9>And JR. Took advantage of this live forum to get
<v Speaker 9>a lot of things off. This shift cool, that's great,
<v Speaker 9>and he is a very good broadcaster. Therefore, if you
<v Speaker 9>don't get too far out of line, it's all right.
<v Speaker 9>It's he a better broadcaster than you. I don't be
<v Speaker 9>better on play by play.
<v Speaker 28>I don't know.
<v Speaker 9>Maybe more is I don't even years. That doesn't matter,
<v Speaker 9>doesn't right for the World Rete Federation, that is a
<v Speaker 9>competitive nature. Who you're thinking is a better play by
<v Speaker 9>play man than you?
<v Speaker 39>I don't know, It doesn't matter, doesn't his looselifts we're
<v Speaker 39>taking shifts and why you're hiring back to begin.
<v Speaker 24>With, We're we give a lot of people in second
<v Speaker 24>chances here in the world about.
<v Speaker 9>In coloration and you should know that. I tell you
<v Speaker 9>why a lot of people second chances.
<v Speaker 24>This is one of the people were taking calls, were
<v Speaker 24>taking back.
<v Speaker 3>It's just so great. So like this one is not
<v Speaker 3>he he was. It's not accurate.
<v Speaker 10>J R.
<v Speaker 3>Was never fired. He was just let go with prejudice
<v Speaker 3>a big difference.
<v Speaker 6>He literally he was never fired, well he was fired
<v Speaker 6>the second time. But these little gigs, he's so good like.
<v Speaker 20>J R.
<v Speaker 3>Likes to be patted on the back from time to time.
<v Speaker 3>Well what what he what a fucking condescending thing to say.
<v Speaker 14>J R.
<v Speaker 3>Likes to be you know, he likes to be reminded
<v Speaker 3>that he's a good beat. And then tell.
<v Speaker 7>J R.
<v Speaker 3>Likes to get you know, he likes to to to
<v Speaker 3>get on his knees and take a treat every now
<v Speaker 3>and again, dangling above his head. He's a he's a
<v Speaker 3>good old boy.
<v Speaker 7>And j R.
<v Speaker 3>You know, he's he's just he likes to be, you know,
<v Speaker 3>recognized as he as a leader in the building. You're saying,
<v Speaker 3>where did.
<v Speaker 6>That come from? He likes to be recognized as a
<v Speaker 6>leader in the building. It's about the four square walls.
<v Speaker 6>It's about you know what I mean. It's about the locust,
<v Speaker 6>a locker room leader, leader in the building. He's not
<v Speaker 6>trying to claim between in a building. He's not in
<v Speaker 6>God damn it. While he's in that building, you better
<v Speaker 6>believe he's leading.
<v Speaker 3>Tremendous. Oh, certainly, Jim has an act of imagination. And
<v Speaker 3>he likes to exaggerate on certain on certain elements of
<v Speaker 3>his of his livelihood. And he you know it is
<v Speaker 3>it's true. He likes to exaggerate on certain elements of
<v Speaker 3>his livelihood. Yeah, exactly, it's and it's widely known that
<v Speaker 3>he has a very very insatiable appetite, you know, and
<v Speaker 3>he likes to eat. And it just happens, you know,
<v Speaker 3>he likes to he's a barbecue fan. And uh, why
<v Speaker 3>would you bring that up? I mean it has you know,
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not gone unnoticed that he has put on
<v Speaker 3>significant poundage, uh in recent weeks. Is a barbecue fan?
<v Speaker 3>Take that? He's a you know he he is known
<v Speaker 3>to too, uh take part in uh and eels of
<v Speaker 3>varying cuisine and.
<v Speaker 7>H m hm.
<v Speaker 6>He is known, he is known.
<v Speaker 3>He has to say this. You can't just say he's fat.
<v Speaker 3>He's just saying.
<v Speaker 6>He has known to take part in meals of varying cuisine.
<v Speaker 6>That is how Vince McMahon would say it. He would
<v Speaker 6>say it varying cuisine, verrying cuisine.
<v Speaker 3>He's a big fan.
<v Speaker 5>He's a big fan.
<v Speaker 3>It's a big fantass. He's a new fan of barbecue.
<v Speaker 3>Is a barbecue fan. Barbecue fan, that's it. And I
<v Speaker 3>you know I have seen him uh, you know, nourish
<v Speaker 3>on you know, different sorts of barbecued meats, brisk.
<v Speaker 6>Starts that starts to list a couple of barbecues in
<v Speaker 6>case he didn't know what he meant.
<v Speaker 3>But he starts listing meats, brisket, pork, pork, you know,
<v Speaker 3>barbecued ribs, chopped beef, things of that nature. This is
<v Speaker 3>where he goes when the subject of why Jr. Has
<v Speaker 3>been terminated comes up. I've also seen him, you know,
<v Speaker 3>take bites out of Italian persuasion food. Not Italian food,
<v Speaker 3>I mean just food food of food of food of
<v Speaker 3>the Italian persuasion capachroll, roasted red peppers. You know, I
<v Speaker 3>have seen him eat at his desk, mind you, and
<v Speaker 3>this is a problem, but I have seen him eat
<v Speaker 3>uh slices of gabba goo at his at his desk,
<v Speaker 3>you know, just unwrapped the deli meat and and and
<v Speaker 3>you know, pushing it down his throat.
<v Speaker 6>It's a problem, just eating with his tie on, leaning
<v Speaker 6>over the paper every time he takes a bite.
<v Speaker 3>Think of think of like a pound of thinly sliced
<v Speaker 3>hot cappy all right, and he's just like slice by
<v Speaker 3>slice bread, no sandwiches, nothing else, just eaten sliced gobba gooo.
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely has to be a place that they get sandwiches
<v Speaker 6>from every time, or used to when they were in
<v Speaker 6>the tower, like just some guy, you know, Jimmy's or
<v Speaker 6>whatever it's called.
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if there's a nar Delis down there. I
<v Speaker 3>wonder if there is miss Theresis.
<v Speaker 6>And now they're in like a big complex. I'm sure there's.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sure they have food court. You know, they're
<v Speaker 3>probably have a food court. They get bowls instead of sandwiches. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, you know what I mean, like Sweet Green
<v Speaker 3>and WW offices. Fuck me, yep, she's christ Oh yeah,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like salad places, you know, fucking kale salads
<v Speaker 3>and stuff. The Chippo Lay of Greek, the Chipotle Sushi,
<v Speaker 3>the Chipotle of Falafeld, the Chipotle of Chipotle. Let's see
<v Speaker 3>if there's if there, if there.
<v Speaker 6>Was the sound of the red peppers falling out of
<v Speaker 6>the sandwich and eating the white paper. Yeah yeah yeah,
<v Speaker 6>oh oh shit. Nasty, absolutely nasty and relevant.
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely well, there there's one not too far away at least,
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know what this was like twenty
<v Speaker 3>thirty years ago, but there was one in uh in Norwalk,
<v Speaker 3>so it wasn't too far from staying called what nar
<v Speaker 3>Delli's grinder shop. Yep, trementous. I think they would order
<v Speaker 3>from nard Delli's almost definitely, for sure, Oh for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's a.
<v Speaker 6>Special occasion thing and maybe everybody in the tower knew that.
<v Speaker 6>If it was Nard Deli's, it was like some kind
<v Speaker 6>of you know, milestone, we're celebrating.
<v Speaker 3>You know what we're we're firing are today. Let's get
<v Speaker 3>in our dellies. I do kind of love like Vince
<v Speaker 3>in his brain trust, like ordering out because they're deep
<v Speaker 3>into like meetings.
<v Speaker 16>You know.
<v Speaker 3>It's hungry as you guys. I haven't eaten in two hours.
<v Speaker 3>I need some food. I need some Get one of
<v Speaker 3>those but one of those steak that steak and rice
<v Speaker 3>wrap with the the seasonings of sorts. Yeah, can I
<v Speaker 3>have a steak and rice wrap with seasonings of sorts?
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me? You heard me? I want a steak and
<v Speaker 3>rice wrap with vegetables. Vince has so much money that
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have to learn the word burrito to learn
<v Speaker 3>the word I read. I don't like Mexican food, but
<v Speaker 3>I do love steak, rice, cheese and vegetable wrap.
<v Speaker 6>And here's Vince with some more smarminess on Live Wire,
<v Speaker 6>and this time he's confronted directly on the telephone by
<v Speaker 6>good old j R.
<v Speaker 3>Himself.
<v Speaker 8>Why you.
<v Speaker 9>Bitter twist to wear Wrestling Federation?
<v Speaker 24>I guess maybe we're gonna time will tell them that again.
<v Speaker 9>I think JR. Feels that, you know, he blamed the
<v Speaker 9>World Ruphing Federation for a lot of his problems. I mean,
<v Speaker 9>let's face it, here's a man who who many would
<v Speaker 9>say probably should not be on camera. Yes, Bell's palsy.
<v Speaker 24>I don't know any other producer they would allow a
<v Speaker 24>talent like that to be on the air except us
<v Speaker 24>here in the world of using cederation.
<v Speaker 9>He's not fired for that reason at all. Again, his
<v Speaker 9>contract expired.
<v Speaker 24>Nonetheless, we continue to put him on the air because
<v Speaker 24>he's a good broadcaster and he certainly brings a very
<v Speaker 24>fresh point of view to the World Rupping Federation, no
<v Speaker 24>doubt about better.
<v Speaker 9>Let let me just shuff in here and just show
<v Speaker 9>my fans out there. Wan a fand journalist, I am,
<v Speaker 9>now I have to agree with you on this one.
<v Speaker 11>You know.
<v Speaker 9>Game Rows does have this bell's pause. I mean one
<v Speaker 9>eye up here on one eye down.
<v Speaker 25>Here for lo.
<v Speaker 40>Now, I'm not saying that the man should be putting
<v Speaker 40>a bell talery note again with something like that, but
<v Speaker 40>you know, to be honesty, I don't know if I
<v Speaker 40>for one TV myself and let me say something tolling
<v Speaker 40>people out there with with bells Borisy so.
<v Speaker 9>Right cards and led us to Zick vanam crying to.
<v Speaker 37>Me because I'm poking fun of Jim Rows because you
<v Speaker 37>got the boors.
<v Speaker 8>Because I really like you people. I mean you people
<v Speaker 8>do tell you that one gone in your mouth and
<v Speaker 8>I like that.
<v Speaker 9>That's here from the same all right, thank you will
<v Speaker 9>always do.
<v Speaker 11>Brandon from Ohio, Brandon, are you there?
<v Speaker 9>Brandon? I guess maybe you're vic escaping everyone away.
<v Speaker 41>Man.
<v Speaker 1>Then w's cat room right here on AOL and these
<v Speaker 1>people are going crazy.
<v Speaker 19>We have forty seven people in the room right now
<v Speaker 19>and they're all.
<v Speaker 8>Talking about Vince McMahon. First mother saying you're acting very calm.
<v Speaker 9>In the situation you've been put in right now.
<v Speaker 8>But they are from Vic Venom's side.
<v Speaker 24>There on MCMI, you know what a big Venom side,
<v Speaker 24>what with big vanom flying is not happy.
<v Speaker 40>Vince McMahon, you're coming across the mood. You're sitting me
<v Speaker 40>at done this a hundred times?
<v Speaker 9>Nobody's flying it. I'm not flying you go on with
<v Speaker 9>the game.
<v Speaker 11>Any people just wanting Another's the question, mister Jim Ross, Jim,
<v Speaker 11>are you there.
<v Speaker 18>On the line?
<v Speaker 28>I hear, I am doc, and I'll tell you something.
<v Speaker 30>You're talking about, smasher of egos. You're looking right at
<v Speaker 30>right now, miss mcmatt this. How can you be so
<v Speaker 30>vain as the past judgment on what I look like?
<v Speaker 11>Uh?
<v Speaker 30>And the stress you put me under is the reason
<v Speaker 30>I look like this. And I didn't come on to
<v Speaker 30>be a movie star anyway. I'm a journalist, something that
<v Speaker 30>you know nothing about. That's exactly the truth.
<v Speaker 9>That's why you're on here now, huh.
<v Speaker 24>Reading you on the here now is because you are
<v Speaker 24>somewhat of a journalists so much and you're Edward Arna Murrow.
<v Speaker 9>I guess you know you're walking. I know what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 30>You'll be retired out of the yacht somewhere or living
<v Speaker 30>in your mansion in Grantwich and leave the rest of
<v Speaker 30>us to handle along and let us do our damn job.
<v Speaker 9>I think that's what I'm doing there, j Are as
<v Speaker 9>long as you don't cross that line. And of course
<v Speaker 9>you just hung up. Well, I get I guess you
<v Speaker 9>didn't want to hear your response there, but I'm kind
<v Speaker 9>of interested in it. I mean, I can feel, I
<v Speaker 9>can feel say in your personality right then, personally, is
<v Speaker 9>there bother you? You kind of avoided that question earlier.
<v Speaker 9>I'm a confrontation. Obviously you're going to get a response
<v Speaker 9>out of that. And I think Jr. Is out of
<v Speaker 9>line all right.
<v Speaker 4>One thing that I was kind of confused about.
<v Speaker 9>You guys are saying he should be off the air
<v Speaker 9>because of his look.
<v Speaker 24>No matter, Max, now what I said. I said, he's
<v Speaker 24>on the air in spite of his look, and Dare.
<v Speaker 24>I'm not trying to make fun of the leg you look.
<v Speaker 9>Indeed, I'm just saying that you're on the air because
<v Speaker 9>you are somewhat of a journalist. You bring a point
<v Speaker 9>of view users very lifely. That's why you're on the
<v Speaker 9>air in spite of Bell's palsy.
<v Speaker 24>Namely, one of the broadcaster anywhere in sport or anywhere
<v Speaker 24>in entertainment who has.
<v Speaker 9>Bell's palsy and is still on the air only.
<v Speaker 24>Here in the World Wrestling Federation, So I think that
<v Speaker 24>sticks pretty highly of the producers here, Kevin Dunn and
<v Speaker 24>people who make decision. Okay, I'm kind of curious to
<v Speaker 24>how solid his contract is because he says there's only
<v Speaker 24>been like one portion of the story revealed and veiled.
<v Speaker 9>Obviously he's got.
<v Speaker 24>A lot more in store for you personally and for
<v Speaker 24>the World Wrestling Federation as an an entity. And I
<v Speaker 24>think that JayR can have his forum just as Vic
<v Speaker 24>can have his forum. Again, I think here in the
<v Speaker 24>World Rustling Federation it's important that we open things up
<v Speaker 24>for our fans as much as we possibly can. So
<v Speaker 24>jay I will have an opportunity to to say whatever
<v Speaker 24>he's going to say, as long as he's going to
<v Speaker 24>go too far.
<v Speaker 9>He'll do that tomorrow Superstars and Monday around.
<v Speaker 3>So I do believe that it's important that we do
<v Speaker 3>have uh, you know, a common sensibility of open forum,
<v Speaker 3>uh you know, uh communication open. That's Vince's war.
<v Speaker 6>That's definitely what I think of. But I think of
<v Speaker 6>Vince McMahon, I mean, so interesting interplay there. It's it's
<v Speaker 6>a more subtle way to get the characters over. You know, yes,
<v Speaker 6>because you see them under fire, You see them in
<v Speaker 6>situations where they have to respond, not just not just expostulate,
<v Speaker 6>not just talk, but actually respond. Right then, Vince's cool hand, Luke.
<v Speaker 6>You know, there's nothing, there's nothing you can say to
<v Speaker 6>him where he can't just make a little face and
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean, denigrate the argument.
<v Speaker 3>You know, that's that's one opinion.
<v Speaker 6>What a fascinating thing. How he clung to that sort
<v Speaker 6>of a journalist word. Yep, because JR. Framed himself as
<v Speaker 6>a journalist, and so Vince can't allow that, he can't
<v Speaker 6>allow that ground to be seated. He's a journalist of
<v Speaker 6>some sort, I suppose, exactly. Vince only will allow you
<v Speaker 6>to characterize yourself as he would characterize you, exactly.
<v Speaker 3>But if you.
<v Speaker 6>Characterize yourself in a way that he thinks is too
<v Speaker 6>far in front of him, he's he's not going to
<v Speaker 6>be able to not circle back around to that and
<v Speaker 6>nitpick at it. You know, he can't let that just sit.
<v Speaker 6>And you could say this is all in character, and
<v Speaker 6>it is to a large degree between these two.
<v Speaker 3>They're working here.
<v Speaker 6>But at the same time, I think Vince is probably
<v Speaker 6>drawing from the truest instincts he can find the same
<v Speaker 6>as he would tap into in a real business meeting.
<v Speaker 6>That's that's kind of how the JR. Vince feud was
<v Speaker 6>playing out in the short lived thing that we see
<v Speaker 6>so clearly represented on the Buried to Live broadcast. Yep,
<v Speaker 6>you heard in that first clip, boss, what did Vince
<v Speaker 6>say Jr? Was talking to the wrong people upon his
<v Speaker 6>second dismissal? Remember, yes, what was that a reference to? Well,
<v Speaker 6>what happened?
<v Speaker 3>I want to know who the wrong people were? It's
<v Speaker 3>Wade Keller, the pro wrestling torch. Okay, all right?
<v Speaker 6>What had happened was in between gigs, Wade had reached
<v Speaker 6>out to JR, who had I believe spoken to him
<v Speaker 6>when he was in WCW and it wasn't a big
<v Speaker 6>deal for an interview because it seemed like it was
<v Speaker 6>over for him in the WWF. And so he does
<v Speaker 6>his torch talk, which is usually very long form interviews
<v Speaker 6>that get printed in like four or five six parts
<v Speaker 6>over several weeks, and presumably it takes a while to
<v Speaker 6>connect with JR, conduct the interview, transcribe it all, because
<v Speaker 6>it's always torch talks are always full on transcripts of
<v Speaker 6>questions and answers, okay, And so it takes a while
<v Speaker 6>to get that into the torch, And why don't you
<v Speaker 6>know it by the time it's making the torch in
<v Speaker 6>the summer of ninety four, Jim's already been rehired, Wow,
<v Speaker 6>because they need somebody to do commentary, because it's now
<v Speaker 6>clear that Vince is going on trial with an uncertain
<v Speaker 6>future ahead of him, which wasn't so clear when they
<v Speaker 6>first made the move to get rid of him. So
<v Speaker 6>you know, Wade has this on the record, he's publishing
<v Speaker 6>it as this is right, and Jim, you know, we're
<v Speaker 6>talking about it these days in this podcast. And really
<v Speaker 6>remember being too explosive, a controversial a series of interviews
<v Speaker 6>that he did, So he kind of felt like it
<v Speaker 6>wasn't really a big deal with things that he said.
<v Speaker 6>But what Vince made reference to in that Live Wire
<v Speaker 6>clip was it not only was that Jr. Fired for
<v Speaker 6>talking to the wrong people quote unquote, but also giving
<v Speaker 6>away trade secrets and things of that nature, which is
<v Speaker 6>hilarious a call talking to a dirt sheet giving.
<v Speaker 3>Away Basically, he was letting people know that what we
<v Speaker 3>do is entertainment base and not actually athletic right Leam klined, all.
<v Speaker 6>Right, I fired him for saying we're fake. But no,
<v Speaker 6>that of course wasn't it? What it was was one
<v Speaker 6>of the final installments of the Torch Talk series in
<v Speaker 6>the summer of ninety four, with JR. Was headlined Jim
<v Speaker 6>Ross provides insight into how WWF operates behind the scenes.
<v Speaker 6>Ah and so no matter what the article says, at
<v Speaker 6>that point, Vince has a launch point to say, Hey,
<v Speaker 6>god damn it, and it probably is not policy to
<v Speaker 6>talk about how WWF operates to a dirt sheet writer,
<v Speaker 6>you know, you know what you know, which, by the way,
<v Speaker 6>you can take you know, that's a pejority of the term.
<v Speaker 6>And I do not consider Wade Killer a dirt sheet writer.
<v Speaker 6>And the way Michael Hayes did right there, I'm just.
<v Speaker 3>Saying, you can let me tell you something, JR. You
<v Speaker 3>fat fuck. You can take that half face of yours
<v Speaker 3>and get the fuck out you talk about that now,
<v Speaker 3>I can do another interview. Why don't you go talk
<v Speaker 3>to somebody else. We're gonna do.
<v Speaker 6>An interview with When I fire you again and again,
<v Speaker 6>you keep coming back.
<v Speaker 3>How about that? Who's the dumb ass? You keep coming back?
<v Speaker 3>To me, I'm the winner, not you idiot.
<v Speaker 6>I mean know this would be a lifelong thing. I
<v Speaker 6>mean he fucks with Jim to the very last day.
<v Speaker 6>Oh yes he does, making him kiss his ass on TV,
<v Speaker 6>making him watch, making sure that he's tuned to raw
<v Speaker 6>so he can watch the skit, making fun of how
<v Speaker 6>he needed surgery out of his colon, you know, wearing
<v Speaker 6>the cowboy hat, just constantly mocking his his his mannerisms
<v Speaker 6>and his figures of speech. They brought this character back
<v Speaker 6>in attitude or ninety nine, remember where he did that
<v Speaker 6>promo before he brought back Steve Williams after another bout
<v Speaker 6>of Bell's palsy. So they went for it again. Vince
<v Speaker 6>Russo clearly feel some kind of way about Jim.
<v Speaker 3>Ross, Oh, I'm sure.
<v Speaker 6>And how fascinating was it to see, uh, to hear
<v Speaker 6>rather Jim Cornette and Vince Russo in the same room
<v Speaker 6>on that live wire Wow.
<v Speaker 3>I know, seriously, given what their future would entail.
<v Speaker 6>This is before they decided that they would rather live
<v Speaker 6>on opposite sides of the planet than they didn't talk
<v Speaker 6>to each other. And so some of the things that
<v Speaker 6>were said in the Torch Talks are kind of interesting
<v Speaker 6>in retrospect because one thing Jim doesn't talk so much
<v Speaker 6>about in terms of his initial departure, which there you
<v Speaker 6>see Vince framing is a decision by WWF not to
<v Speaker 6>renew his contract, And Jim has always kind of said
<v Speaker 6>it was, you know, kind of he didn't want to
<v Speaker 6>expressly say it was because of the Bell's policy. He
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to say that, but he made it seem
<v Speaker 6>like it was more about them just not wanting him.
<v Speaker 6>When he went into the Torch talk, he talks about
<v Speaker 6>an actual pitch that they had made to him that
<v Speaker 6>he turned down that he thinks had a lot to
<v Speaker 6>do with it. And I don't hear him emphasize this
<v Speaker 6>so much when he does interviews contemporaneously about why he
<v Speaker 6>was fired or how he addresses it in his book
<v Speaker 6>that first time. But he said to Killer this back
<v Speaker 6>then June eighteenth, nineteen ninety four. The basic thrust of
<v Speaker 6>it was Vince was interested in me becoming a character
<v Speaker 6>much like many of the wrestlers, and was very sure
<v Speaker 6>that if I would don a cowboy hat and a
<v Speaker 6>western jacket and a string tie, that I would be
<v Speaker 6>more marketable and would be more effective to him and
<v Speaker 6>his product by being his character. I also think if
<v Speaker 6>you wear if you wear the if you wear a
<v Speaker 6>mask of an ass, right, you know, like a butt,
<v Speaker 6>I think that would definitely be more of a of
<v Speaker 6>an alluring proposition, tantalizing situation for us all. I mean,
<v Speaker 6>he made him wear toga in Vegas, and he turns
<v Speaker 6>around and wants him to wear dress up like a
<v Speaker 6>I guess, John Wayne, I don't know what he's going
<v Speaker 6>for porter Wagoner.
<v Speaker 3>Basically, I want you to dress like a monkey? Can
<v Speaker 3>we do that? Huh? You're going come on monkey dance.
<v Speaker 6>I felt very uncomfortable, Jr. Said about doing it. It
<v Speaker 6>came to an inpass since I wasn't interested in doing that.
<v Speaker 6>I guess he perceived that it's not being loyal and
<v Speaker 6>not being totally committed to his products. On February eleventh,
<v Speaker 6>he called me in his office and let me know
<v Speaker 6>he had decided to go a different direction with his announcing.
<v Speaker 6>Keller asks, of course, if JR. Thinks Bell's palsy was
<v Speaker 6>a factor, Jr. Kind of plays that down. He says,
<v Speaker 6>I don't think Vince is that cold hearted that he
<v Speaker 6>would let me go because I was ill. If there
<v Speaker 6>was anything negative about the whole situation.
<v Speaker 7>It is.
<v Speaker 6>I feel like it could have been handled a little
<v Speaker 6>bit more timely, when I was feeling better, and when
<v Speaker 6>I could actually go in and communicate with him, where
<v Speaker 6>I could carry on a conversation without being constantly wiping
<v Speaker 6>my eye or my mouth. I thought the timing was
<v Speaker 6>a little ill faded. Yes, Keller asked, do you think
<v Speaker 6>that was Vin's flexing his muscles of power or was
<v Speaker 6>that Vince not really knowing the entire situation. Well, you
<v Speaker 6>try to look for the good, and I'd like to
<v Speaker 6>think he wasn't aware of how seriously ill I was
<v Speaker 6>at the time. He I guess it has been known
<v Speaker 6>to flex his muscles from time to time. He's a
<v Speaker 6>very powerful man in our business. And I don't think
<v Speaker 6>he was too pleased with me refusing to become a character.
<v Speaker 6>It was portrayed to him by someone in his company
<v Speaker 6>that I was adamant about it, that I was cursing
<v Speaker 6>and appalled. That was completely misrepresented. And you heard JR.
<v Speaker 6>Pardon me, You heard Vince in that live Wire clip
<v Speaker 6>mentioned Kevin Dunn and others here deserve a ton of
<v Speaker 6>credit for putting someone of Bell's palusy on television. That's
<v Speaker 6>almost definitely what JR.
<v Speaker 3>Is talking about.
<v Speaker 7>There.
<v Speaker 3>We're we're a we're a you know, we're progressive company,
<v Speaker 3>and we we we think that there are no limits
<v Speaker 3>for people who have who have chosen to go through
<v Speaker 3>such hardship like JR. You know, we didn't give him
<v Speaker 3>Bill's palsy. Maybe he gave himself Bell's palsy. That's right. So,
<v Speaker 3>and then he gave us an affliction in a way,
<v Speaker 3>and then he infected us exactly, he made us inflicted
<v Speaker 3>upon him. You know, this is all his doing. I
<v Speaker 3>don't know why that gets lost all the time. You know,
<v Speaker 3>people blame me for stuff, But I didn't give him
<v Speaker 3>Bill's palsy. Jr. Gave himself Bell's palsy. He's an animal. Wow, Wow, goofball.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's more insulting. He's an animal and
<v Speaker 3>he's a goofball. Yeah, definitely.
<v Speaker 6>Kevin Donne, somebody who can't stand the fact that JR.
<v Speaker 6>Was the heart of the show, could never deal with it.
<v Speaker 6>I always had an issue. Try to replace him a
<v Speaker 6>hundred times failed. One of the many accomplishments of Kevin
<v Speaker 6>Done is completely whiffing every time he tried to replace JR.
<v Speaker 6>I just didn't understand the reasoning for it, Ros says,
<v Speaker 6>one week on one way, the next week I'd show
<v Speaker 6>up on TV with this porter wagoner outfit. I didn't
<v Speaker 6>understand the reason behind it. Oh, I do, jim to
<v Speaker 6>make fun of your ass, That's why. So they could
<v Speaker 6>sit in the truck and cackle.
<v Speaker 3>Just want to see what you know, we're work shopping ideas.
<v Speaker 3>This is what it is. It's nothing personal. It's just
<v Speaker 3>a It's part of the creative process. That is what
<v Speaker 3>it is. We believe in creativity, and we believe in
<v Speaker 3>the process of creativity and processing creative landmarks in a
<v Speaker 3>way that justifies creative.
<v Speaker 6>Content, processing creative landmarks, maybe processing creative trademarks that too,
<v Speaker 6>for that matter, and service marks. What was the character
<v Speaker 6>JR said that bothered me. I wouldn't have minded being
<v Speaker 6>more outspoken, more controversial. I didn't mind doing more homespun
<v Speaker 6>phrases and Oklahoma like analogies. The attire they wanted me
<v Speaker 6>to wear, I was uncomfortable with that. I know, being
<v Speaker 6>from Oklahoma and being from the Southwest for a lot
<v Speaker 6>of my life that everybody doesn't wear a cowboy hat
<v Speaker 6>and everybody's not a devious JR ewing like character. What
<v Speaker 6>a weird idea they had for him. I would have
<v Speaker 6>been so fucking stupid what they would have cost themselves
<v Speaker 6>in the attitude era if they went through with that.
<v Speaker 6>I know, I know they almost fumbled the ball again
<v Speaker 6>making me a heal ninety nine.
<v Speaker 3>But do you know what it was?
<v Speaker 6>These wrestlers like Austin and Triple Age, even like they
<v Speaker 6>knew that their match would not be anywhere near as
<v Speaker 6>good as it could be if JR wasn't on the call.
<v Speaker 6>And that's always with JR. Saving grace that when push
<v Speaker 6>came to shove, Jr's in the seat if I'm out there,
<v Speaker 6>And even Triple H, as much as he should be
<v Speaker 6>aligned with the anti JR crowd, knew the truth, knew
<v Speaker 6>he wasn't shit relative to what he wanted to be
<v Speaker 6>without JR. Screaming every time he pedigreed somebody without JR
<v Speaker 6>making him seem like a fucking cyborg. When he came
<v Speaker 6>back from the all the violence in the Row Rumble
<v Speaker 6>two thousand match against MCFUS, I mean, is it that
<v Speaker 6>hard to figure out? It's not hard to figure out.
<v Speaker 6>It's hard to accept for some people who tell themselves
<v Speaker 6>that their audience prefers one thing, when the audience constantly
<v Speaker 6>tells them they want the opposite, or they want what
<v Speaker 6>you tell yourself they don't want very simple. You know,
<v Speaker 6>Kevin Dunn has a Kevin Dunn thinks he's a real
<v Speaker 6>television producer, and he doesn't think a real television producer
<v Speaker 6>would put someone that looks and sounds like Jr. On
<v Speaker 6>the air problems. Isn't real television, right? You broadcast Carneie
<v Speaker 6>sports and you look like a carnival character yourself, Right,
<v Speaker 6>you're walking around like some debonair l a producer. I
<v Speaker 6>know exactly the world of real TV. Kevin dunnesn't get
<v Speaker 6>hired because he looks like he belongs.
<v Speaker 3>To the basement, right, exactly, because he is from the
<v Speaker 3>baboiler room, if you will. Yeah, so Jared comes back
<v Speaker 3>and then and then his fucking uh fucking teeth that
<v Speaker 3>could like chomp through wood.
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry. When he's talking in the
<v Speaker 6>Diva starts with Vince about the women, Come on, folks,
<v Speaker 6>not impressed, not impressed at all?
<v Speaker 3>He he he was he what what made him so brilliant.
<v Speaker 3>And this only woman made him brilliant was that he
<v Speaker 3>was able to just he he mastered the way to
<v Speaker 3>to talk to Vincent. Correct. Yeah, he was the guy.
<v Speaker 3>He was the guru in that regard. There was nobody,
<v Speaker 3>you know, he he just he just mastered that. You know,
<v Speaker 3>whether or not he believed any of the ship that
<v Speaker 3>he that he said to Vince, it doesn't matter. He
<v Speaker 3>just knew how to do it and he was going
<v Speaker 3>to do it till the end of time.
<v Speaker 6>Knew how to get Vince to feel like he was
<v Speaker 6>having fun making television, you know, and to still feel
<v Speaker 6>like one of the guys even though he was essentially
<v Speaker 6>a nerd in an office with a pair of glasses on.
<v Speaker 6>This is Vince I'm talking about here go again in
<v Speaker 6>the basement and trying to sweat out the fact that
<v Speaker 6>he was just a paper pushing nerd.
<v Speaker 3>I'm yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, we can't have nerds
<v Speaker 3>or people or any other people for that matter. We also,
<v Speaker 3>you know, we can't have people with you know, with
<v Speaker 3>with their with their their face not functioning in a
<v Speaker 3>proper you know, with the with with proper metrics. So
<v Speaker 3>it's just not it's not feasible, it's not possible.
<v Speaker 6>It's unbearable, unbearable, And so when it comes down to
<v Speaker 6>publish that part four, behind the scenes trade Secrets quote unquote,
<v Speaker 6>I mean it's so Anna Dyne, but I'll read it
<v Speaker 6>off anyway. It's pretty brief. Caller asked Jr. To compare
<v Speaker 6>WABIS booking a WCW's in term of long term planning.
<v Speaker 6>He asks, at what point in your final few months
<v Speaker 6>with the WWF did Vince nowhere he was headed at
<v Speaker 6>WrestleMania ten, and Jr. Says, Vince had a real good
<v Speaker 6>idea of what he wanted to do at WrestleMania, probably
<v Speaker 6>within a couple of weeks after WrestleMania nine. So Vince
<v Speaker 6>considers that I like to interpret it there as a
<v Speaker 6>trade secret. Do you think that plan changed a lot
<v Speaker 6>or do you think he was able to pretty much
<v Speaker 6>stick to that what he planned ross. I think he
<v Speaker 6>pretty well stuck to his game plan, with some modifications,
<v Speaker 6>of course, that are inevitable due to defections or injuries.
<v Speaker 6>At WrestleMania nine, Hulk Hogan was still a part of
<v Speaker 6>the promotion, and he didn't know what Hogan status would
<v Speaker 6>be a year from then. That Luger went through a
<v Speaker 6>quick change from heal to baby face. So do you
<v Speaker 6>think Lucre ended up taking hogan spot in the WrestleMania
<v Speaker 6>plan or do you think Hogan's departure led to a
<v Speaker 6>whole new concept for WrestleMania Around July when Hogan left
<v Speaker 6>the company, I think if Holk had stayed with the WWF, Jr. Says,
<v Speaker 6>he obviously would have been a major part of wrestlingia
<v Speaker 6>ten to what level of what degree, I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>I do like to consider that Boss Hogan wrestle tak Ah.
<v Speaker 6>I thought for sure he was going to be the
<v Speaker 6>second referee.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's right. We've talked about this. Yep.
<v Speaker 3>I thought for sure, and then you know, I was happy,
<v Speaker 3>but also someone disappointed.
<v Speaker 6>That was Piper, Yeah, says I guarantee you right now,
<v Speaker 6>he has a very good handle on what he's going
<v Speaker 6>to do with SummerSlam, and he's got a good working
<v Speaker 6>knowledge of Survivor Series, I will assure you, And because
<v Speaker 6>WrestleMania is the focal point of his promotion, he's already
<v Speaker 6>got some thoughts compiled on what WrestleMania could potentially be
<v Speaker 6>next year. He's really brilliant at that. The thing about
<v Speaker 6>it is he's the boss, and he doesn't have a
<v Speaker 6>problem making a decision. When he makes a decision, everybody
<v Speaker 6>in the company tries to make it happen. He decides
<v Speaker 6>the direction, he decides who's getting pushed, and once that
<v Speaker 6>direction is established, everybody in the WAF basically works together
<v Speaker 6>to make sure that Vince's wishes are fulfilled.
<v Speaker 3>So the advantage of.
<v Speaker 6>The WWF has over a lot of other places is
<v Speaker 6>that they have one guy who's in charge and he
<v Speaker 6>establishes direction, and that everybody else who works under him
<v Speaker 6>in their various pecking orders, whatever their job description is,
<v Speaker 6>they do what they can to make sure the direction works.
<v Speaker 6>They're pretty good at keeping you informed at where they
<v Speaker 6>are going. They're pretty good about that, so you kind
<v Speaker 6>of have a pretty good idea. Sometimes the flow of
<v Speaker 6>information in any wrestling company seems to be a problem
<v Speaker 6>from time to time. The WWFO seems to keep the
<v Speaker 6>production guys informed of what's going on, so everybody stays
<v Speaker 6>on the same page. Keller asks how far down on
<v Speaker 6>the card from the main event and a couple of
<v Speaker 6>other high profile matches does he go. Do you think
<v Speaker 6>he has a pretty good idea of not just that
<v Speaker 6>the last couple of matches and a King of the Ring,
<v Speaker 6>but the entire setup leading up to it. Is he
<v Speaker 6>already thinking about the first and second matches at WrestleMania,
<v Speaker 6>Ross says, I think he thinks more in terms of
<v Speaker 6>the most marketable matches. He knows who he wants in
<v Speaker 6>the finals of the King of the Ring and how
<v Speaker 6>he wants to come out of it, and through the
<v Speaker 6>course of the thing, what other issues they want to establish,
<v Speaker 6>other marriages they want to underscore. He's a brilliant guy
<v Speaker 6>when it comes to long term planning. He really can
<v Speaker 6>look down the road and envision a particular scenario or
<v Speaker 6>match and then work toward it.
<v Speaker 3>The thought they did.
<v Speaker 6>I thought they did an excellent job, he says, of
<v Speaker 6>making Lex Luger special as a babyface who likes Express
<v Speaker 6>and he goes into all that, and they ask how
<v Speaker 6>it went with Lex and Brett and the Lex Express
<v Speaker 6>and all those ideas. But that's that's apparently. The offending
<v Speaker 6>material sounds fine to me.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't see any fun trade secrets
<v Speaker 3>in there. I mean, no, they're no trade secrets. I
<v Speaker 3>can kind of see where he'd be pissed off because
<v Speaker 3>he's like, you know, talking about stuff that you know
<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't. You know, wrestling doesn't talk about it. Yeah, regularly,
<v Speaker 3>but not like I mean, who cares?
<v Speaker 6>Who cares if anyone knows that you work backwards and
<v Speaker 6>you know who's going to be in the main event
<v Speaker 6>WrestleMania right now? I mean, isn't that a flattering thing
<v Speaker 6>to have out there? But I think the way Kell
<v Speaker 6>phrased it, you know, the headline, made it easy to
<v Speaker 6>look at it as you know, you're learning things you're
<v Speaker 6>not supposed to know, just being asked to what he observed.
<v Speaker 6>That's not he's not telling you, like exactly what happened.
<v Speaker 6>He's just telling you the process.
<v Speaker 3>You know. Oh, he's saying things that I don't agree with.
<v Speaker 3>So he's fired. So he's fired. So he's fired.
<v Speaker 6>Okay, so much for open forum, huh. But in the
<v Speaker 6>spirit of that, here's the legendary JR. Appearance on Live
<v Speaker 6>Wire where he's cranky as fuck. He's kind of dropped
<v Speaker 6>the character by now, but he's sitting in the studio
<v Speaker 6>on a Saturday morning and he's.
<v Speaker 9>Not happy you're on the Live Wire. Good morning, Hello,
<v Speaker 9>your own live wire.
<v Speaker 28>Uh yeah, I follow you through uh w c W.
<v Speaker 28>I like to say that gold Dust will be hunter
<v Speaker 28>for the belt and.
<v Speaker 31>Enough bless his little hard he got nervous. Uh your
<v Speaker 31>live wire? Good morning, Hey, how you doing good? What's
<v Speaker 31>your question or comment?
<v Speaker 13>You were talking about gold Dust being or somebody being
<v Speaker 13>the champion that wasn't go to the next morning.
<v Speaker 11>We don't have to talk.
<v Speaker 31>You're going to be on this If you're going to
<v Speaker 31>be on this program, you gotta think a little bit.
<v Speaker 31>You gotta be prepared, not playing call. Either gonna get
<v Speaker 31>on or you're gonna get off, and we're not gonna
<v Speaker 31>waste time here your.
<v Speaker 9>O list wire, no goussia.
<v Speaker 31>Yes, that's hello.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, good morning.
<v Speaker 9>Ordering do you know if the Mancha Man's coming to
<v Speaker 9>the wf for you know, anything on the Federation is.
<v Speaker 31>Building on youth, not on on on veterans. They don't
<v Speaker 31>need people my age wrestling. That's the bottom line. Good an,
<v Speaker 31>you're on a live wire.
<v Speaker 9>Good morning, Yes, happy knew your mister, wrong, Happy new
<v Speaker 9>your you too.
<v Speaker 28>I'd like to ask you a question about what you
<v Speaker 28>think about Roddy Piper coming out of retirement and beating
<v Speaker 28>Hogan at the Starcade.
<v Speaker 31>Sir, well, I think that, uh, you know, a lot
<v Speaker 31>of folks will do things for money. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 31>obvious that you got a you got a guy that
<v Speaker 31>at one time was a gallon athlete, at one time
<v Speaker 31>was a fighting son of a gun. He's got an
<v Speaker 31>artificial hip. H he really doesn't belong in the ring.
<v Speaker 31>But if you look at who does or doesn't belong
<v Speaker 31>in the ring, then you'd have to probably use your
<v Speaker 31>imagination to say that the Hulk Hogan belongs in the
<v Speaker 31>ring anymore either. So, uh, the guys are making a
<v Speaker 31>living and uh so and so more power to him.
<v Speaker 31>I watched the match, as a matter of fact, I
<v Speaker 31>fell asleep in the middle of it.
<v Speaker 3>Is he not fucking fire? Oh god, I could, I could?
<v Speaker 3>I could like that. That could just be him talking
<v Speaker 3>with with with fans is just amazing, so amazing, so
<v Speaker 3>pissed off that they don't know what to say when
<v Speaker 3>they go live. Yeap.
<v Speaker 6>It sounds like they have an issue with him delay,
<v Speaker 6>where like if he says something that stops the person
<v Speaker 6>in their tracks and then he fucking loses his mind.
<v Speaker 6>There's a famous gift like turning his face to the
<v Speaker 6>left and like zooming in in his like very serious face.
<v Speaker 6>I love in this episode that's obviously has mentioned their
<v Speaker 6>New Year's from at the end of the very tail
<v Speaker 6>end of the Live Live or a Colin Experience. I
<v Speaker 6>think it did last in like the first couple of
<v Speaker 6>weeks and ninety seven. In fact, I know it did
<v Speaker 6>because that's when Russo makes the prediction that, uh, Brett's
<v Speaker 6>gonna win the rumble, ah and they and then it
<v Speaker 6>gets changed. I don't know if it gets changed because
<v Speaker 6>of that, but Brett was supposed to win the Rumble
<v Speaker 6>at the time, so it was seen as sort of
<v Speaker 6>a bullshit thing to do, where you're privy to the
<v Speaker 6>planning and you go out there and pick the guy
<v Speaker 6>you know is gonna win to look good, you know.
<v Speaker 6>But that was that was the kind of Hornet's nest
<v Speaker 6>they stirred by turning that live button on on that
<v Speaker 6>Saturday morning. Some weird stuff happened on those episodes, man,
<v Speaker 6>some weird shit, But that was that was that. And
<v Speaker 6>as for Steve Austin, well, we can hear, we can
<v Speaker 6>hear the thunder brewing. Here's here's something he says on
<v Speaker 6>on the headsets leading into the show to let you
<v Speaker 6>know that when he comes out against Triple H, she
<v Speaker 6>was supposed to be se Ve Vega has mentioned here
<v Speaker 6>Buried Alive that this is a Steve Austin who's going
<v Speaker 6>to face Brett Hart when he comes back. He's going
<v Speaker 6>to be his first opponent, and by the time it's
<v Speaker 6>all said and done, you're not going to be able
<v Speaker 6>to write off Steve Austin as the first person Brett
<v Speaker 6>sets aside.
<v Speaker 3>I got something I'd like to make clear right now.
<v Speaker 41>Because of the censors, I can't use the word I'd
<v Speaker 41>like to use, but I'll use a word that rhymes
<v Speaker 41>with it.
<v Speaker 3>I spit on the Live the Career and the Family
<v Speaker 3>of Rent.
<v Speaker 9>The hitman heart.
<v Speaker 41>Whoa and in this Paris would have been smart enough
<v Speaker 41>to practice safe sex some thirty years ago.
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be dealing with him right now. Well, Hanna
<v Speaker 2>Hurst Townsley is making his way to the ring.
<v Speaker 19>This is gonna be a tremendous contest fans, next tier
<v Speaker 19>on all front of Hurst Townsley's.
<v Speaker 2>Gonna go one on one with the stom What a
<v Speaker 2>confrontation this is gonna be?
<v Speaker 11>You talking about the hit man Fear who they producing
<v Speaker 11>word transit is the Shakespear.
<v Speaker 41>You know, one way or the other, I'm gonna get
<v Speaker 41>a reaction out of Brett Hard. If I have to
<v Speaker 41>fly to Calgary and beat up his old man, That's
<v Speaker 41>what I'll do. If I have to throw rocks in
<v Speaker 41>this window, That's what I'll do. What the bottom line
<v Speaker 41>is rough the hick man Hard is gonna answer the
<v Speaker 41>Stone gold because I won't have it any other way.
<v Speaker 2>Hey are you putting?
<v Speaker 3>Did you say? I didn't say that?
<v Speaker 33>So what's just there?
<v Speaker 20>You look out?
<v Speaker 41>You see all these Austins on thest sixteen signs, all
<v Speaker 41>the stalk Gold signs, and these people think they're making
<v Speaker 41>friends with Stone. But they all got another thing coming
<v Speaker 41>because I go out in a ring each and every
<v Speaker 41>night and prove I'm the best in the world.
<v Speaker 2>And all these people can.
<v Speaker 20>Do is sit on there.
<v Speaker 27>Sorry.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he wears something little sign around. That's a big
<v Speaker 2>deal and it takes a lot of talent to do that.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Done't it sound like it's starting the making to you?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's fucking money. Sounds like something that's gonna
<v Speaker 3>take no for an answer to you. Yep.
<v Speaker 6>Fucking hell. He had wrestled Sean Michaels the leak before
<v Speaker 6>on raw. I remember that, Yes I do. You can
<v Speaker 6>hear the original ring Master song still in the background.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, how hilarious.
<v Speaker 6>So Bard Alive is a significant in the ard Marker Man.
<v Speaker 3>It really is. Yeah, Flash shatters, he plays in, he
<v Speaker 3>leans into everything. We heard.
<v Speaker 6>He wrestles a heel, so people are like, fuck, yeah,
<v Speaker 6>that's my guy. Like if he's not wrestling a guy
<v Speaker 6>that I absolutely in love with and that actually hate
<v Speaker 6>in and of himself, like Hunters Helmsley, let's.
<v Speaker 3>Go yep yep. And the magic is I mean it is.
<v Speaker 3>It is pretty amazing how the stars really just aligned
<v Speaker 3>for him and ninety six and ninety seven to make it,
<v Speaker 3>to make him stone cold yep, yep.
<v Speaker 6>He refused to not grab you whenever he got a
<v Speaker 6>live mic, you know, and they coun try to get away,
<v Speaker 6>they could try to give him a character. We didn't talk,
<v Speaker 6>but if you let him, it's over. He's too he's
<v Speaker 6>too good at what he does too.
<v Speaker 3>He really is, and he's too fucking you know. And
<v Speaker 3>especially at this time, he had that chip on his
<v Speaker 3>shoulder and he was just like ready to fucking go.
<v Speaker 3>So great and great to realize. In the weeks leading
<v Speaker 3>up to Bury It Alive, a lot of this stuff
<v Speaker 3>really started to crystallize for him in terms of the
<v Speaker 3>presentation in the trash talk against Brett Hart, someone that
<v Speaker 3>we thought was coming back. Not only was Razor and Diesel,
<v Speaker 3>but mister Perfect. It's right, he was kind of in
<v Speaker 3>and out around this in ninety six. It was very weird.
<v Speaker 6>He has a big run in during the Marrow match.
<v Speaker 6>He has a big face off with Steve Austin. Actually
<v Speaker 6>that makes you think they're gonna have a program one day.
<v Speaker 3>That would have been amazing. I'm pretty into it. But
<v Speaker 3>he was gone in like what weeks.
<v Speaker 6>The next night, Hurst Helmsley takes the icy strap off
<v Speaker 6>Mark Merrow when mister Perfect turns heel on Mark Merrow.
<v Speaker 6>After this whole you watch this show when you're convinced
<v Speaker 6>mister Perfect's like one of the top baby faces in
<v Speaker 6>the company, yep. And it turns out he was in
<v Speaker 6>cahoots with Hunter Hurst Helmsley the whole time to set
<v Speaker 6>everybody up.
<v Speaker 3>And you know, oh that was heartbreaking for me.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it wasn't the most satisfying return for mister Perfect.
<v Speaker 6>And they had a lot in motion, they're ready to go.
<v Speaker 6>I remember they filmed one of those Milton Bradley Karate
<v Speaker 6>Fighters showdowns, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, with him on it
<v Speaker 6>that they did for the for the Survivor series promotion,
<v Speaker 6>and by the time they already he had been on
<v Speaker 6>TV for a couple of weeks, and it was like,
<v Speaker 6>where is mister perfect? And what happened was according to
<v Speaker 6>Bruce Pritchard, at least, I'm not sure. I'm not sure
<v Speaker 6>Kurt Hening ever did something resembling a shoot interview. I'd
<v Speaker 6>love to hear if anybody has seen one before his
<v Speaker 6>untimely passing in two thousand and three. The industry was
<v Speaker 6>still somewhat nascent back then, and he wasn't much for
<v Speaker 6>a shooting. I remember even like there's like a famous
<v Speaker 6>clip of an internet backstage show w W used to
<v Speaker 6>do after his good friend Rick Rude dies in nineteen
<v Speaker 6>ninety nine, and he just doesn't want to talk about
<v Speaker 6>real stuff when a pro wrestling camera's on. But anyway,
<v Speaker 6>so my point is, I don't think he's ever actually
<v Speaker 6>told the story of what happened around now. But according
<v Speaker 6>to Bruce Pritchard, he told the office that you know,
<v Speaker 6>He was all set with his Lloyd's of London insurance policy,
<v Speaker 6>which basically forced him to not wrestle so he could
<v Speaker 6>collect on an insurance claim from his back injury, which
<v Speaker 6>we all know from back in nineteen eighty three, which
<v Speaker 6>would bothered him for years. So you get an insurance
<v Speaker 6>pay out, but it says you can't wrestle. And they
<v Speaker 6>were led to believe that he was working on that
<v Speaker 6>and got permission in God clearance and was going to
<v Speaker 6>be able to come back to the ring to wrestle,
<v Speaker 6>but he never did. They shout this angle, but it
<v Speaker 6>didn't actually happen. And what's very clear to me is
<v Speaker 6>what he did once he realized once he realized that
<v Speaker 6>he could work again and it was clear to wrestle again,
<v Speaker 6>he called WCW and got one of those sweet ass
<v Speaker 6>deals because he was right in behind Holland Nash. That's
<v Speaker 6>where he goes, and Pritchriard's kind of short on details.
<v Speaker 6>He said, I don't call the whole during that time.
<v Speaker 6>That was when Kurt, shortly after it got upset over
<v Speaker 6>was Lloyd's London deal and was gone. But I think
<v Speaker 6>I probably derailed it more than anything. I mean, in
<v Speaker 6>return I mean it was it all going to be
<v Speaker 6>a swerve. So Conrad's wondering, you know, was his was
<v Speaker 6>he actually ever going to wrestle or was the plan
<v Speaker 6>all along to act like he's going to wrestle only
<v Speaker 6>to turn a heel and to be a manager just
<v Speaker 6>for Triple H and that it burst Pictured straight up
<v Speaker 6>says no. He told us he was able to come back,
<v Speaker 6>and he passed all the physical tests and everything else,
<v Speaker 6>and like he told us he was ready to come back,
<v Speaker 6>and then wasn't. He was like, no, I can't come back,
<v Speaker 6>And then we'll wait a minute. You said you could
<v Speaker 6>and you said you couldn't. Then it just was a
<v Speaker 6>whole whole or deal. And that's the most detail you
<v Speaker 6>get out of the situation. But but you watch the
<v Speaker 6>show Man, you're reminded, like that's one of the hottest
<v Speaker 6>things going in the company at that point.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was really like it.
<v Speaker 3>I was very, very convinced we were going to see
<v Speaker 3>perfect back in the ring at any time, at any time,
<v Speaker 3>and then just went away.
<v Speaker 6>I'm ever being excited at that prospect back then, Oh
<v Speaker 6>my god, absolutely, because he's he's a guy that hits
<v Speaker 6>the sweet spot.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whenever he was around. Whenever he would come back,
<v Speaker 3>I got very very excited, and I was ready, and
<v Speaker 3>because you know, he had been one of my favorites
<v Speaker 3>since he turned on Flair in ninety two, and so
<v Speaker 3>I whenever he was around, I was I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>thank God, like, come on, let's let's fucking do this. Absolutely,
<v Speaker 3>but he'd never be around long enough. He was always
<v Speaker 3>you know, he was always here, and then he was gone,
<v Speaker 3>and then he'd come back, and then he was gone again,
<v Speaker 3>and it was just very unpredictable.
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure he was paid very handsomely for what was
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure little len ring production for WCW relatively speaking,
<v Speaker 6>compared to what would have been expected of him. He
<v Speaker 6>kind of missed, I think a chance to really I
<v Speaker 6>would have loved to s who've seen him in WWF
<v Speaker 6>in the rebuilding years of ninety seven to ninety eight.
<v Speaker 6>I think he would have been a fascinating part of
<v Speaker 6>that whole you know what I mean. Tapestry, Yeah, for sure.
<v Speaker 6>But again another example of how Buried Alive indicates detours
<v Speaker 6>in the road ahead for so many people that are
<v Speaker 6>prominently featured and for courd heading it pretty much is
<v Speaker 6>the curtain call for him in WWF until he comes
<v Speaker 6>back in two thousand and two for that short lived run.
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, I guess we do get the stone Cold
<v Speaker 6>program after all.
<v Speaker 3>When you fucking you get he goes down to the
<v Speaker 3>stunner and then he just fucking gets up and walks.
<v Speaker 6>Mostly yeah, walks away and kind of no sells the stunner.
<v Speaker 6>So he walks away, but it's kind of in the
<v Speaker 6>cloak of darkness. Vader skulks off into the darkness. I
<v Speaker 6>don't know if you can see on his face when
<v Speaker 6>he comes out to face Sin on this show, it's
<v Speaker 6>the look of a guy who just got a word
<v Speaker 6>that like, your push is over. I don't know if
<v Speaker 6>I'm just seeing that in his face because that's what happened,
<v Speaker 6>and I'm like retroactively viewing it that way. But he
<v Speaker 6>wrestles sit on this show. You want to talk about Sarah,
<v Speaker 6>But I mean, we just did Masters of the Power
<v Speaker 6>Bombit Clash of the Champions, I know, right, seriously, and
<v Speaker 6>here's sid verus Vader in a match promoted just that way.
<v Speaker 3>But it was strange.
<v Speaker 6>You know, we know Vader worked sewn at SummerSlam ninety six,
<v Speaker 6>And there's all kinds of lore about that one that
<v Speaker 6>we'll get into quickly here. That we've talked about a
<v Speaker 6>nauseum over the years, including covering that show.
<v Speaker 3>No, we never which one. Summer Slam nineteen ninety six,
<v Speaker 3>We've never done ninety six. We've never done it. Brother,
<v Speaker 3>we haven't covered it all. Brother, talked so many times
<v Speaker 3>about that, we've never done it, never done.
<v Speaker 6>Wow, that's a massive oversight there. No, I mean, not oversight,
<v Speaker 6>but just you know, just happened. Yeah, yeah, it was
<v Speaker 6>episode thirteen. But if you don't count that we've never
<v Speaker 6>done it?
<v Speaker 3>What that right here? Brother? I know he did it.
<v Speaker 3>I knew he did it. No, you're wrong. I'm wrong. Rather,
<v Speaker 3>i'm wrong. I'm pulling it up.
<v Speaker 6>Reasons characterized as such on a Google search, but when
<v Speaker 6>you click through, it's not no way.
<v Speaker 3>We definitely I know because I've been I've thought about
<v Speaker 3>it a lot.
<v Speaker 6>Those geniuses at Wrestle Zone put a put a headline
<v Speaker 6>on it that says Summer Slam ninety six. I don't
<v Speaker 6>know why what there's a wrestle Zone link to it
<v Speaker 6>from Beck when we used to post on your God.
<v Speaker 6>But when you click through it doesn't say Summer Slam
<v Speaker 6>ninety six, Its just a SummerSlam ninety six, And like
<v Speaker 6>the metadata that Google grabs so very confusing, that is
<v Speaker 6>bire it's our ninety three episode, right, yeah, it must
<v Speaker 6>be ninety three. Yeah, So anyway, we've talked a lot
<v Speaker 6>about Sean's hissy fit in that match over the years.
<v Speaker 3>Let's put it that way.
<v Speaker 6>Yes, and it's Vader coming off that thing is kind
<v Speaker 6>of in a neutral zone, kind of in limbo. It's like,
<v Speaker 6>is he going to go for the belt again or not?
<v Speaker 6>Was he programmed to win the belt or not? We'll
<v Speaker 6>hear from the horse's mouth if you will here in
<v Speaker 6>a moment. But come October, suddenly it's a match to
<v Speaker 6>determine who's going to go to Survivor Series to wrestle
<v Speaker 6>Michaels for the championship, and Vader's chance at the belt
<v Speaker 6>is up for grabs against Psycho sid As. Of course,
<v Speaker 6>we know said not only wins here at Buried Alive
<v Speaker 6>over Vader in pretty definitive clean fashion, But then it
<v Speaker 6>goes on to take the belt off Sean in a
<v Speaker 6>red hot match in MSG, and we know, we know
<v Speaker 6>the guys certainly had a saying that.
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, said Sean comfortable. One of the most uncomfortable
<v Speaker 3>matches that ever watched live on how badly the fans
<v Speaker 3>wanted the super Babyface champion to just get mutilated, get killed. Ye,
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, I understand, Why are they cheering for him?
<v Speaker 3>He's supposed to be changing. Why are they show the
<v Speaker 3>audience was changing? I know, but I'm not right and
<v Speaker 3>not the story of the cast in so many ways
<v Speaker 3>are not your idiens, sir, Apparently not anymore. You're gonna
<v Speaker 3>have to grow up the hard way, pal with world
<v Speaker 3>rustling entertainment. That's right. You're gonna have to learn to
<v Speaker 3>not have your intelligence insulted for once learned that just
<v Speaker 3>that we're gonna we're gonna do things the way that
<v Speaker 3>need be done. We're gonna force We're going to force
<v Speaker 3>you to change with it.
<v Speaker 6>So what was Vader's expectations around, like, you know, was
<v Speaker 6>this was losing this match, it buried alive, something being
<v Speaker 6>taken away from him, or did he have any right
<v Speaker 6>to expect that he would come into this match as
<v Speaker 6>champion or come out of this match going for the
<v Speaker 6>championship At Survivor Series, we've heard so many things. We'll
<v Speaker 6>close out our part one here from the pages of
<v Speaker 6>Vader's book Boss, if you could please regale us full
<v Speaker 6>download from SummerSlam ninety six till we get to just
<v Speaker 6>about this point here in your house, buried alive, sums.
<v Speaker 25>I cut us stress it up.
<v Speaker 2>Sean was difficult to work with.
<v Speaker 25>Before my first supset match, I finally got the call
<v Speaker 25>I dance. Before the pay per view, I was informed
<v Speaker 25>that I would not be taking the title from Sean Mote.
<v Speaker 6>Or so before he was told he wasn't winning the belt.
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if that means he thought he was
<v Speaker 6>going to or I don't think it does.
<v Speaker 3>I thought I always thought that he was supposed to
<v Speaker 3>win it. No that he that he they were gonna
<v Speaker 3>be I was supposed to win it in series, then
<v Speaker 3>lose it at Roy Rumble likes. I thought it was
<v Speaker 3>gonna win a Summer Slam. That's why they had that
<v Speaker 3>crazy finish, like the weird you know, they kept restarting
<v Speaker 3>the match until until Sean got the pin, Like I
<v Speaker 3>always thought that was a thing. Maybe I read I
<v Speaker 3>thought I read that somewhere.
<v Speaker 25>I wasn't happy, but I figured I'd stay positive. Maybe
<v Speaker 25>they're still testing me or getting me ready the next
<v Speaker 25>pay per view. I thought, figuring I needed to make
<v Speaker 25>the match look as good as I could for a
<v Speaker 25>future opportunity. I decided to meet with my opponent extra
<v Speaker 25>early to talk about some ideas. I pulled into the
<v Speaker 25>crowd of Marriott Hotel across from the gun Narita. There
<v Speaker 25>were fans around wearing wrestling t shirts, so I waited
<v Speaker 25>for the right moment to stick in for my secret
<v Speaker 25>meeting with Sean Michaels about the match. Once we were
<v Speaker 25>up in his room, we started to throw ideas over
<v Speaker 25>at each other very quickly. I noticed that he was
<v Speaker 25>planning a lot of spots.
<v Speaker 6>There's a shocker ahead of a wrestling match.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I can do it the full time.
<v Speaker 3>That's fine. Stop. All that stuff seemed way more than
<v Speaker 3>what would be needed for a fifteen or twenty minute match,
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't understand how we could fit all that
<v Speaker 3>stuff in. I can I'll do Wait a.
<v Speaker 25>Minute, Sean, how long is this match supposed to be?
<v Speaker 3>I think we could do a lot of things, and
<v Speaker 3>I Jack Holly, somewhere in the forty five. Forty five
<v Speaker 3>is what they want? He replied, I wasn't wearing my mask,
<v Speaker 3>of course, and I'm sure Sean saw my face turn red.
<v Speaker 3>I was pissed. I didn't know what happened. I really
<v Speaker 3>missed the boat on that one. Maybe it was my fault.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it was a communication here. I don't know. I'm
<v Speaker 3>sure he already had been training like Mad to be
<v Speaker 3>on his game for an abnormally long match. I don't
<v Speaker 3>think it was that long. I could be wrong. I
<v Speaker 3>think it was more like twenty minutes.
<v Speaker 6>I think just complaining that there are too many spots, yes,
<v Speaker 6>for a short match.
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's saying that it wasn't that that Shawn saying
<v Speaker 3>was a forty five minute match. But I don't. I'm
<v Speaker 3>pretty I don't think it was a forty five minute match.
<v Speaker 3>I mean maybe like twenty five minutes. Yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 3>it's listened as twenty two minutes. What do you wanted, Vader?
<v Speaker 3>What are you talking about? I'm sure he already had
<v Speaker 3>been training like Mad. I should have been pushing a
<v Speaker 3>ton of cardio into my workout to get my wind
<v Speaker 3>up to par too. I would have been on the
<v Speaker 3>bike every day for an hour. I would have done
<v Speaker 3>loads of jogged back and run to the wall type
<v Speaker 3>exercises to get ready, and I would have been just fine.
<v Speaker 3>Because of my football background, I was one of the
<v Speaker 3>very few big men that could go forty five minutes
<v Speaker 3>easily without blowing up no problem, with a little notice.
<v Speaker 3>Other big super heavyweights like King Kong, Bundy or Yokozuna
<v Speaker 3>were often hard pressed to go ten or fifteen minutes,
<v Speaker 3>or if you're mister Fuji, thirty minutes with Brett Hard
<v Speaker 3>and wrestling with as they always say back in the day,
<v Speaker 3>I had some really long matches with Flair, Brody Hansen
<v Speaker 3>and many others without skipping a beat. But I wasn't
<v Speaker 3>ready come match time. We headed up to the ring,
<v Speaker 3>and I hoped for the best. I was not conditioned,
<v Speaker 3>and I knew it. I hammed it up as I
<v Speaker 3>ham it up, as I always did for my entrance,
<v Speaker 3>all the while knowing it wasn't gonna be a great
<v Speaker 3>match if I got winded. I was jawjacking all the
<v Speaker 3>way down the aisle to the ring about how great
<v Speaker 3>I am, thinking the whole way I better not blow up.
<v Speaker 3>I better not blow up. I was worried I was
<v Speaker 3>going to run out of air. All things consider I
<v Speaker 3>did really well for about twenty minutes. Somewhere around the
<v Speaker 3>twenty five minute mark in a twenty two minute match,
<v Speaker 3>I started losing my breath chasing that little bastard around.
<v Speaker 3>I blew up, just as I had feared, and that
<v Speaker 3>was something I almost never did. The lack of oxygen
<v Speaker 3>got to me, I will admit it. Huffing and puffing
<v Speaker 3>made me forget some of what we had planned. That
<v Speaker 3>led to Sean getting frustrated. People expected his matches to
<v Speaker 3>be the very best. Sean was a perfectionist with high expectations,
<v Speaker 3>so when things didn't exactly follow his vision out in
<v Speaker 3>the ring, I knew he wasn't happy. I knew I
<v Speaker 3>had to immediately fix that sequence i'd forgotten. So called
<v Speaker 3>a new fixer spot calling spots with the traditional role
<v Speaker 3>of the heel in any wrestling match anyhow, and I
<v Speaker 3>figured I could just go off the script get everything
<v Speaker 3>back in line. But Sean didn't want me taking over.
<v Speaker 3>After I just messed up, Sean got pissed. What the fuck?
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I can picture it. Relax, I told
<v Speaker 3>Sean Michaels, turned up the volume and started working even faster.
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't keep up at that pace, and I'll admit it,
<v Speaker 3>I really hated my performance in this match. To make
<v Speaker 3>matters worse, the finish had three different endings in one
<v Speaker 3>in one and lasted forever. I would first win by countup,
<v Speaker 3>but Cornett realized the title couldn't change hands that way
<v Speaker 3>and got the match restarted. Sean would next hit me
<v Speaker 3>with a corn with Cornet's tennis racket and get disqualified,
<v Speaker 3>and Cornett would get it restarted again. Then Shawn would
<v Speaker 3>finally pull something out of his hat and win by pinfall.
<v Speaker 3>By the very final finish, I didn't have the title,
<v Speaker 3>and I also didn't have any air in my lungs
<v Speaker 3>at all. Talk about hamming it up, I'll say. Back
<v Speaker 3>in the hallway after the match, I headed off to
<v Speaker 3>the showers, knowing that I was gonna have to deal
<v Speaker 3>with a bitchy Sean soon who would just yell at
<v Speaker 3>me about the match. I knew I had messed up
<v Speaker 3>that one spot. I wonder what spot it was that
<v Speaker 3>he's talking about. He doesn't really mention it, but he
<v Speaker 3>also knew going in that nobody mentioned how long the
<v Speaker 3>match was scheduled to be. Just as I was rushing
<v Speaker 3>off to avoid any conflict there he was get over
<v Speaker 3>here waiting for me by a separate haul to the showers.
<v Speaker 3>I ignored him. I was in no meat, no mood
<v Speaker 3>and needed time to diffuse. Even though I messed up,
<v Speaker 3>I felt he could have worked with me to make
<v Speaker 3>it better. So I continue to make my way to
<v Speaker 3>the dressing room and wouldn't show him the time of day.
<v Speaker 25>Get over here right now? Yeah, when I get done. No,
<v Speaker 25>I said, right now, go fuck yourself right now.
<v Speaker 3>I bit my lip without saying anything more, or if
<v Speaker 3>I said anything else, I knew it was going to
<v Speaker 3>be a heated exchange and I was gonna end up
<v Speaker 3>knocking his teeth right down his throat. I too had
<v Speaker 3>a reputation for having a temper, and he was pushing
<v Speaker 3>it rather than in the showers. I slammed the door
<v Speaker 3>behind me in my dressing room. That was like taking
<v Speaker 3>a deep breath for me and counting to ten. We
<v Speaker 3>both needed a cool down, I'm telling you. If I
<v Speaker 3>hadn't bounced to my dressing room, Sean would have been
<v Speaker 3>bouncing off the floor. Sometimes good wrestlers take a mistake
<v Speaker 3>in the ring so passionately that they could lay that
<v Speaker 3>they could let a fake fight turn into a real one.
<v Speaker 3>That night was one of my big regrets. We were
<v Speaker 3>both disappointed, and I clearly was fuming. I remember sitting
<v Speaker 3>on the bench, just waiting, hoping, praying that Sean was
<v Speaker 3>running off to Vince for a sit down meeting if
<v Speaker 3>he had. If he had, I had already planned exactly
<v Speaker 3>what I was going to do if he calls me
<v Speaker 3>to a meeting with Vince, I'm gonna walk in acting
<v Speaker 3>very calm, cool and collected. Then I'm gonna break Sean's
<v Speaker 3>nose right in front of Vince and say okay, imp fine,
<v Speaker 3>and walk out. Fortunately for the both of us, Vince
<v Speaker 3>was never called and we never let our tempers get
<v Speaker 3>the best of us. Before Summer Slam, Vince promised me
<v Speaker 3>a two title run. After Summer Slam, nothing happened, Vince
<v Speaker 3>decided to change his mind. My guess is that match
<v Speaker 3>was probably a factor in the change of plans. In
<v Speaker 3>my mind, being misinformed about the length of our match
<v Speaker 3>messed everything up for me and began a downward, downward spiral.
<v Speaker 3>I imagine Vince watched the match and wrinkled up his
<v Speaker 3>face like he just sniffed a shit and said he's
<v Speaker 3>blowing up blown number there. For whatever reason, Vince ended
<v Speaker 3>up taking my potential title run away and gave it
<v Speaker 3>to Sid. There it is, and I hate to say it,
<v Speaker 3>but Sid blows up faster than anybody else in history.
<v Speaker 3>After that match, I think Vince figured I just couldn't
<v Speaker 3>run with his top guys. I know Vince didn't hate me,
<v Speaker 3>he just stopped seeing me as a top contender. Vince
<v Speaker 3>is a stubborn guy. Once he gets something in his head,
<v Speaker 3>it's hard to make him see differently. But I wasn't
<v Speaker 3>going to just give up. I was sure going to
<v Speaker 3>try and change his mind about me. I had had
<v Speaker 3>other obstacles before, and this was just one of the
<v Speaker 3>many I needed to overcome.
<v Speaker 6>There, it is Vader saying straight up that the titles
<v Speaker 6>that he was going to win were given a SID.
<v Speaker 6>Because I know Shawn's pushback on that. Others have pushback said, no,
<v Speaker 6>he's never gonna win the belt. It's not true. It's like, well,
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I mean, if you tell the guy
<v Speaker 6>he's going to win the belt, doesn't that count right?
<v Speaker 7>Not right?
<v Speaker 6>But he has similar stories in WW two about being
<v Speaker 6>told he's getting the title back and then it never happens.
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, that's the that's the sour plus. I see
<v Speaker 6>on Vader's face, a guy who's coming to the ring
<v Speaker 6>it buried alive to transfer what should have been his
<v Speaker 6>to Sid. Everyone talks about how in your house it's
<v Speaker 6>time was supposed to be, you know, a Vader show
<v Speaker 6>it being its time. I wonder how MSG Survivors series
<v Speaker 6>would have reacted if Vader defeated Sean instead of Sid.
<v Speaker 3>Where was he? Where was Vader Vader in one of
<v Speaker 3>the Eight Man? Oh? Which one was flash Funk? Wasn't
<v Speaker 3>it Kazuna? Yeah? Okay, I kind of remember him and
<v Speaker 3>Yoko having intraplay. It's just over, Yeah, it's over him
<v Speaker 3>is Champ? I mean no, No, I love the idea
<v Speaker 3>of him as Champ. I'm I. That always rubs me
<v Speaker 3>the wrong way that he never got a shader with
<v Speaker 3>the Winged Eagle title. Love it, love it really yep.
<v Speaker 3>I always give it to him sometime in the video
<v Speaker 3>games if I ever get that far. Yeah, I always.
<v Speaker 3>I always like to have him get the get the
<v Speaker 3>wing Winged Eagle belt at some point.
<v Speaker 6>Fascinating stuff. Well before we turn it over to Deep Divage,
<v Speaker 6>only you need to read missives from the pages of
<v Speaker 6>wrestlers who lived it, but also from the memories of
<v Speaker 6>the members of the Solar System, for whom this show
<v Speaker 6>touches off particular memories, and we always invite folks. This
<v Speaker 6>is a good time to remind you that if we
<v Speaker 6>have a show coming up that means something to you
<v Speaker 6>that you have a personal connection to or have some
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<v Speaker 6>include some color from you out there, you know, in
<v Speaker 6>terms of where you were at at the time and
<v Speaker 6>if the show stood out for you. Because we are
<v Speaker 6>conscious of the fact that as we go old school
<v Speaker 6>and in celebration of tel effects in terms of how
<v Speaker 6>we select shows, that we are kind of carving out
<v Speaker 6>that hopper opportunity for folks to claim the show, so
<v Speaker 6>to speak. Right, this is perhaps a halfway measure. Dalton
<v Speaker 6>was quick to write us and said, from listening to
<v Speaker 6>the Clash twenty three show, the moment I heard you,
<v Speaker 6>I heard that in your house eleven was coming. I
<v Speaker 6>knew right away it was buried alive. I was only
<v Speaker 6>a baby when the show aired live, but this was
<v Speaker 6>a tape I'd always rent from my local Blockbuster due
<v Speaker 6>to the cover of the graveyard setting. Yeah, that's true.
<v Speaker 6>That's doesn't he have a head in his hand? Undertaker?
<v Speaker 3>Is that this one? No, that's bad, Well he has
<v Speaker 3>his own head. Yeah, that's next year.
<v Speaker 6>Due to the cover of the graveyard setting, plus Undertaker's
<v Speaker 6>look during this time, my favorite version of Undertakers always
<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty four to nineteen eighty six with the Purple Gloves.
<v Speaker 6>It was his most dominant time frame, even if he
<v Speaker 6>never won any titles with the Purple What do you
<v Speaker 6>think of that? Boss Purple?
<v Speaker 3>No, that doesn't sound right to me either. I don't.
<v Speaker 7>I don't.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he certainly was. I mean it was weird. Yet, yes,
<v Speaker 3>there are some, there are some. He certainly I would
<v Speaker 3>say he probably had his his most interesting matches only
<v Speaker 3>because he was working with Foley during ninety six. But
<v Speaker 3>I don't like the look. I hated the purple look.
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was so stupid, it was so lame.
<v Speaker 3>But you know who am I this show looking at?
<v Speaker 3>Not only the Peacock version, but the live pay per
<v Speaker 3>view version never fails to make me smile. Steve Austin
<v Speaker 3>debuting his glass shattering thing against Triple H both before
<v Speaker 3>they were true top stars within the company, Jr. Having
<v Speaker 3>his mic issues, and we get the sassy, angry Jr.
<v Speaker 3>Plus we get the Undertaker versus Mankind Bear to live match,
<v Speaker 3>the first Beir Tolive match will never be topped. The
<v Speaker 3>story that Undertaker had against Folly in ninety six is
<v Speaker 3>in his top three rivalries, no question, no question. Just
<v Speaker 3>like Triple H o's mc foley basically everything.
<v Speaker 6>Yep, so does Rock. So does Austin in a lot
<v Speaker 6>of ways. When you think about ninety eight, Yeah, launching it, yep,
<v Speaker 6>and so do the Undertaker. I mean, that's why mcfoley
<v Speaker 6>is great to me, is all four of those guys
<v Speaker 6>were way more over after it was done than they
<v Speaker 6>were beforehand, just because he went out there and knew
<v Speaker 6>how to make him look great. And they, you know,
<v Speaker 6>they all had varying degrees of appreciation for it, and
<v Speaker 6>they have varying degrees of willingness to acknowledge it. But
<v Speaker 6>it doesn't change the fact, and it can throw edge
<v Speaker 6>in there too. Oh, totally the first bear to live
<v Speaker 6>match and Randy Orton very much want to keep goington,
<v Speaker 6>how about mc foley, is is the best guy elevating
<v Speaker 6>who's in the ring with the wwf ever had Won't
<v Speaker 6>I say it again? Yes, I agree with you. The
<v Speaker 6>first buried Alive match will never be topped. The story
<v Speaker 6>the Undertaker had against Fully in ninety six is in
<v Speaker 6>his top three rivalries he's ever had within the company.
<v Speaker 6>Plus nineteen ninety six was a true changing point for Undertakers.
<v Speaker 6>He faced Brett at the Brumble that year, Diesel at WrestleMania,
<v Speaker 6>and throughout most of the year it was either mankind
<v Speaker 6>or gold dust, unless you count Executioner at December's in
<v Speaker 6>your House. The image of the hand coming out of
<v Speaker 6>the grave is one that's never talked about enough. People
<v Speaker 6>call it two cartoony, people say it's not really wrestling,
<v Speaker 6>but it's truly the story of the character of Undertaker.
<v Speaker 6>And now we hear from arman Lyle as well on
<v Speaker 6>this show.
<v Speaker 3>Dearest co Chairs.
<v Speaker 6>I've been a listener since twenty sixteen and patron since
<v Speaker 6>twenty nineteen. Attended live show at the Comedy Chateau in
<v Speaker 6>North Hollywood. Heyhow after May it's thirty nine and have
<v Speaker 6>helped you guys completing your Coliseum Collection archive. But in
<v Speaker 6>all the years of listening to and interacting with THELF,
<v Speaker 6>I've never actually written into the cast with any thoughts
<v Speaker 6>or recollections of the shows you've covered.
<v Speaker 3>That changes today.
<v Speaker 6>I get to the end of the Clash of the
<v Speaker 6>Champions twenty three ye and I'm stopped in my tracks
<v Speaker 6>when Jpeople's this show my show in your House eleven
<v Speaker 6>buried alive from the hopper well. I believe my first
<v Speaker 6>memory of the sport of kings was seeing warrior shaking
<v Speaker 6>the ropes. It wasn't something I paid any attention to
<v Speaker 6>until around age six, when one of my friends told
<v Speaker 6>me about Lex lucaslaming Yo Kazuna. It was also at
<v Speaker 6>age six when I woke up one morning for school
<v Speaker 6>to find my mother's dead body in the kitchen. I
<v Speaker 6>won't come into the moment by a moment run down
<v Speaker 6>of those events, but to make a long story short,
<v Speaker 6>she died of a pulmonary embolism. My dad put me
<v Speaker 6>in therapy to help me cope with what I was
<v Speaker 6>feeling in due to the fact that it seemed to
<v Speaker 6>be coping with the issue on my own by developing
<v Speaker 6>an interest in morbid things, including, but not limited to,
<v Speaker 6>drawing and sculpting monsters, reading goosebumps, horror comic books and
<v Speaker 6>short story collections, watching horror films, and television shows like
<v Speaker 6>Tales from the Crypt, et cetera. It took a good
<v Speaker 6>two to three years, but I think he realized that
<v Speaker 6>I found legitimate comfort in this stuff and ended up
<v Speaker 6>supporting my weird little hobbies, one of which was magic.
<v Speaker 6>On twenty first Street in Manhattan, there wasn't still as
<v Speaker 6>a store called Abracadabra. Their website advertises them as the
<v Speaker 6>world's a number one most unique store located in the
<v Speaker 6>heart of the NYC largest variety of magic costumes, makeup rentals, props, whigs,
<v Speaker 6>and more at the lowest price. For good three to
<v Speaker 6>four years, he writes, every Saturday, I would go to
<v Speaker 6>this store because they would have a free magic show
<v Speaker 6>that was open to the public. Eventually, I was even
<v Speaker 6>able to perform during the free magic shows at eleven
<v Speaker 6>years old, making me the youngest magician in the show.
<v Speaker 6>I was an only child, spending a lot of time
<v Speaker 6>in my youth hanging out at places like Abercadabra, the
<v Speaker 6>comic book store, the record store, at multiple video stores,
<v Speaker 6>soaking up knowledge and shooting the shit with people who
<v Speaker 6>work behind the counter. At Abricadabra, there was a guy
<v Speaker 6>named Jonathan who had the Undertaker symbol tattooed on his neck.
<v Speaker 6>He was the person who first told me about this
<v Speaker 6>show as we discussed the aftermath of King of the
<v Speaker 6>Ring nineteen ninety eight. I had never seen it, but
<v Speaker 6>as I believe I mentioned when we spoke during one
<v Speaker 6>of your mains pre shows call in Specials, there were
<v Speaker 6>two to three video stores within walking distance from Abercadabra
<v Speaker 6>that had Coliseum video sealed occasionally with goodies like bag
<v Speaker 6>tags POGs remember POGs, Boss.
<v Speaker 3>And they were not my thing, but I had friends
<v Speaker 3>who are them.
<v Speaker 6>Sadly a WWF letter, opener, et cetera. Ten dollars each
<v Speaker 6>three for twenty two. Out of these three shops primarily
<v Speaker 6>trafficked and porn videos and sex toys, and the one
<v Speaker 6>that didn't was basically just to wear house with tapes everywhere.
<v Speaker 6>If this message is bread in the show, I wonder
<v Speaker 6>if any other NYC based fans in the Solar System
<v Speaker 6>were also there to experience this. I still remember one
<v Speaker 6>of my very first purchases in Your House one one
<v Speaker 6>are Combat, which was mixed between In Your House four
<v Speaker 6>and five hosted by Doc Hendricks and slammathon ninety six,
<v Speaker 6>probably better known as In Your House eleven Buried Alive.
<v Speaker 6>That's right, it's always important to remember this. These shows,
<v Speaker 6>these in your House shows, when they came out on
<v Speaker 6>Colosseum Home video, had different names. This was slammothon ninety six.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep. They never for some resul bizarre they never
<v Speaker 3>had a live cells and well all of them just
<v Speaker 3>why not call it in your House? Whatevertly, why do
<v Speaker 3>you have to call it, you know, have some weird
<v Speaker 3>made up name, and therefore I missed the whole fucking thing.
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I guess it's a toss up if it's
<v Speaker 6>in your House two versus you know, collision or whatever.
<v Speaker 6>But to take away that buried a live thing is
<v Speaker 6>to really sell the tape short if you just just
<v Speaker 6>fucking say it's in your house whatever, and then do
<v Speaker 6>the subtitle. They all had subtitles. I still remember the
<v Speaker 6>ride home with those three tapes in the brown paper
<v Speaker 6>bag lapsed cav voice, the street lights illuminating I two
<v Speaker 6>seventy eight east as I studied the batch cards on
<v Speaker 6>the back of the boxes and stared at the cover
<v Speaker 6>to Buried Alive like I would stare at those lurid
<v Speaker 6>horror VHS covers at the video store. When I got home,
<v Speaker 6>I popped that one in the VCR first. This is
<v Speaker 6>not the first wrestling show I'd ever seen, and at
<v Speaker 6>the time it was already nearly two years old. But
<v Speaker 6>after all these years, I truly believe that this show
<v Speaker 6>that really made me fall in love with professional wrestling
<v Speaker 6>and all the bullshit that comes along with it. I'm aware, pardon,
<v Speaker 6>I'm aware this isn't the most popular opinion in wrestling circles,
<v Speaker 6>but I really get a kick out of the spooky stuff,
<v Speaker 6>no matter how silly it gets. Two of my world's colliding.
<v Speaker 6>It's the show that I probably would have been hundred
<v Speaker 6>of dollars attempting to get you guys to cover if
<v Speaker 6>I could afford a hopper pick which ha ha ha ha. Well,
<v Speaker 6>now shift look at this to the Febry fourteenth, two
<v Speaker 6>thousand episode of Monday nightro Live from the Nassau Coliseum,
<v Speaker 6>the only Nitro I ever attended, and the only wrestling
<v Speaker 6>show to this team I've ever went to with my dad.
<v Speaker 6>Holy shit, that's got to be a disgusting show. That's
<v Speaker 6>Kevin Sullivan regime. Rest in Peace, by the.
<v Speaker 3>Way, Father to close.
<v Speaker 6>I was going to put together some brief thoughts in
<v Speaker 6>the show itself, but Truth be Told in Your House
<v Speaker 6>Buried Alive is simply not a show that I can
<v Speaker 6>be objective about, so I would leave that to the
<v Speaker 6>co chairs. I love the titular match, though I suppose
<v Speaker 6>the show itself is probably best known at this point
<v Speaker 6>as the pay per view that Austin debut is hell
<v Speaker 6>frozen over theme. At that being said, I want to
<v Speaker 6>thank you gentlemen for ten brilliant and boundary pushing years
<v Speaker 6>of extreme podcasting.
<v Speaker 3>I actually didn't know until until you know, watching the
<v Speaker 3>show that this was the debut the first time. We
<v Speaker 3>actually didn't know that. Yeah, I had no clue that
<v Speaker 3>it was here. I really was more you know, to me,
<v Speaker 3>I just always know the main event.
<v Speaker 6>It probably had those videos where he shatters glass for
<v Speaker 6>Brett Hart pink tights. What the hell's out all about?
<v Speaker 3>Brett? Yeah?
<v Speaker 6>In the can and probably incorporated the glass shattering into
<v Speaker 6>the theme song before those even aired. I want to
<v Speaker 6>thank you, gentlemen for ten brilliant, in boundary pushing years
<v Speaker 6>of extreme podcasting. Hopefully, if we continue to do the
<v Speaker 6>right fucking thing, you will bless us for another ten years.
<v Speaker 6>It feels great to have you finally get around to
<v Speaker 6>this show after all these years. Thank you for Buried
<v Speaker 6>Alive and thank you for hope to mania best Lyle Well,
<v Speaker 6>thank you, Lyle, Thanks for setting the table, thanks for
<v Speaker 6>digging our grave if you will, and Boss, let's fill
<v Speaker 6>it in with shovel after shovel From the in your
<v Speaker 6>House eleven death toll.
<v Speaker 3>We have twelve Howard Finkel, Mister Perfect, Referee, Tim White,
<v Speaker 3>the British Bulldog, Owen Hart, Raizor Ramone, Vader Crush, the Executioner, Joselthario,
<v Speaker 3>Paul Bearer, and the Undertaker Rest in Peace.
<v Speaker 6>This is the first show where Undertaker is not only
<v Speaker 6>in the death toll, but he's peace killed. He's actually
<v Speaker 6>buried alive. But will he remain on the death toll
<v Speaker 6>by the time this was over? Something tells me yes.
<v Speaker 6>So they want a way to find out he would
<v Speaker 6>lock for that deep dive coming up next