398 | CCPT Mythbusters: The Child Has to Talk About It

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You're listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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your source for centered and focused play therapy coaching.

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Hi,

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I'm Dr. Brenna Hicks,

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The Kid Counselor.

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This is the Play Therapy Podcast where you get

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a master class in child-centered play therapy

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and practical support and application for your

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work with children and their families.

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In today's episode,

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we are continuing myth busting.

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And today,

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the myth we're busting is

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The child's not going to get better if they don't talk about this.

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So,

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the myth essentially is that

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play therapy isn't enough.

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And talking is somehow a necessity.

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So that's what we're gonna dive into.

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However,

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y'all,

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we only have 1 week until the 400th episode.

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And we still have spots on

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the live

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event.

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So,

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only one podcast next week.

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When,

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when a podcast doesn't drop on Tuesday,

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don't be alarmed and email me and say,

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are you sick?

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Are you OK?

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Are you dead?

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Whatever.

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We're only having one next week

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and it's on Thursday,

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so there will not be a Tuesday podcast.

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By the way,

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don't think that I'm saying that flippantly.

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When you all reach out because I don't drop a podcast on my normal

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Tuesdays and Thursdays.

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I always appreciate that you all look forward to it and you're checking in on me.

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So I really do appreciate it even though I'm laughing.

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But don't do that next week is the moral of the story because

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we're only doing one podcast and it's on Thursday at 12 Eastern.

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So,

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my time,

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Florida time,

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Eastern time,

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12.

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Enrollment

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is,

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or not enrollment,

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I suppose,

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res uh reservations are

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open right now.

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go to the show notes if you want to get

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a link for that call.

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We're gonna do a Q&A and I'm gonna talk for a little bit and

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I'm gonna do some giveaways and it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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I have some things to announce.

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So,

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anyway,

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come hang out with me if you can,

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120

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Eastern,

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next Thursday,

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the 28th

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for our live 400th episode event.

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OK.

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Also,

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enrollment's open for play therapy professional.

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I know I said that last time.

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So there's a link for that in the show notes too.

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Just,

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I didn't want you to get confused when I said enrollment.

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might as well say enrollments for PT Pros open as well.

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so let's talk about

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this myth here.

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That play therapy is not enough.

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You have to talk about whatever.

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first and foremost,

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That is predicated

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on adulthood bias.

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the notion that children are going to talk,

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that they want to talk,

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that they feel comfortable talking.

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It's so skewed.

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Toward the rational and the cognitive.

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And kids are neither of those things.

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this notion that

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they have to talk because that's the only way they're going to be able to

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sort through something.

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Its premise is flawed.

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the idea

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play therapy is not enough because it doesn't involve anything else.

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Play is the child's natural way of making sense of the world.

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Watch babies,

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watch toddlers,

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watch children,

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even older kids,

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up to 12.

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They are going to play,

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and when they do,

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you will see them working out real life stuff.

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That is their natural way of understanding the world

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and processing things that they need to sort out.

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we have adulthood bias getting in the way,

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thinking that talking is required.

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We have this

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myth

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that children are naturally going to play because that is exactly how

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they are in their natural state.

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They're experiential

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and they're emotional.

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They live in the here and now,

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they don't have the verbal capacity

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nor the intellectual cognitive rational capacities.

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process any other way.

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Then add in the layer that we know it's an unpublished research study at the moment,

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Unpublished doesn't mean

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it already hasn't been proven true.

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We know

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the language barrier.

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That would occur in

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normal talk therapy.

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Does not occur in child-centered play therapy.

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Because we know that the therapy,

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the CCPT

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and the child do not have to speak the same language,

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and CCPT still has the same gains.

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I coach international participants.

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I'm sure most of y'all know that by now.

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And I have watched so many play sessions in other languages.

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I'm conversationally fluent in Spanish.

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That's a whole different story because I understand

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what's going on in my Spanish sessions.

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I'm talking about

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I've watched them in Estonian and I've watched

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them in Yiddish and I've watched them in Afrikaans

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and I've watched them in Slovenian

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I,

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I have seen all kinds of other sessions that I pick up.

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Fractions.

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because there's cognate sometimes

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and I'm like,

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I think that was that word.

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Or every once in a while they'll throw an English word in and I'm like,

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look at that.

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But for the most part,

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I honestly don't know what is being said.

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But you wanna know what's

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my favorite part of watching sessions in other languages?

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I watched them ahead of time.

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When no one's around to translate for me

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before I get on the coaching call,

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and I have time stamps queued

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because I know that a moment was significant.

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I know that there was something that went on that was powerful there.

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I can tell the emotion that was wrapped up in that

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in context of what's happening.

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I have a sense of what went on there.

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I can go,

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I think that was a choice given.

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I think that was a limit set.

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Why?

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Because I'm just observing what's going on.

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I don't need to understand the words.

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when I actually cue those on the call,

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and then I have the person that speaks that language translate for me.

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It's one of the coolest moments when everyone's like,

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whoa,

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like that was a significant moment,

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you can tell.

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The words are not what gives it away.

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It's all the rest of it that gives it away.

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that's another reason why talk

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a necessity for our sessions.

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We also know that a child does not have to utter one word

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in the playroom

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for CCPT to work.

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And boy does that

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get in our craw.

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That's a,

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that's a Southern phrase,

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sorry.

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That really irritates us

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not all of us,

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some of us,

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that's like,

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that's an Achilles' heel for some of us.

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Oh my word.

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You have a kid that comes in and doesn't say anything.

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CCPTs come unglued.

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Why do we do that?

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of adulthood bias,

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and we think that kids have to talk.

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They don't.

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I've had kids not say a word

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the entire

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course of treatment.

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Months of sessions

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never say a word in their play.

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guess what parents reported,

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Guess what teachers reported.

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Guess what every other person in their life reported?

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Oh my gosh,

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he's like a different kid.

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It has absolutely transformed

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his behavior and his attitude and his confidence and so and so.

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Didn't say a word to me.

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I know a lot of us have worked with selectively mute children.

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the boy I was talking about in the first example,

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he was not selectively mute.

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He just literally didn't feel compelled to say a word when he played.

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He played in silence because he chose to.

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He would talk to me on the way back to the playroom

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and on the way out of the playroom and in the lobby,

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but then he wouldn't say a word when he got in the sessions.

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Then you have selectively mute children

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that

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their anxiety is so unmanageable and so high,

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they don't say a word because they feel like they can't.

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And what's always the agenda,

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always,

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always,

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my kid needs to talk.

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your kid doesn't need to talk,

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not in the playroom.

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And we're not putting a band-aid on a gaping wound either.

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So we're not going to address the selective mutism,

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we're going to address the anxiety,

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we're not going to do anything to address that.

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We're going to create the conditions that allow for the child to work through that

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relationship and environment.

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That's our job.

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Trust the process

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is trusting in the conditions

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that allow the child to heal.

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I need to make sure the relationship

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is prioritized.

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I need to make sure the environment

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is appropriate.

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And then I have to trust that the child knows what they need to work on.

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But notice that in both of these examples,

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we don't need words.

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There's a whole bunch of reasons why

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a child does not need to come in and talk,

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and we have evidence for all of it.

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But at the end of the day,

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When a child is going to naturally work through stuff in their way in their time.

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Why would we ever

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force a child

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to do something that we direct

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to sort out what we think they need to do in the order that we think is best for them?

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That is so.

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I don't even know what the word is.

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I'm trying to think of an adjective.

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Presumptuous is the best thing I can think of.

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That is the most presumptuous thing.

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To say,

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I know more than you

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about what you need and when you need it and how we're going to do this,

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and I'm just going to dictate to you how this is going to go.

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What presumptuous foolishness.

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To say,

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I'm going to take care of this for you.

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Let's translate this to someone actually said

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this on a collective call pretty recently,

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and I said,

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I'm gonna use that,

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and here I am using it.

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Let's,

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let's enlarge this to adults.

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An adult therapist sits down with an adult client and the client says,

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All right,

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yeah,

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man,

311
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it has been a rough week.

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Let me tell you about my week.

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And the therapist says,

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no,

315
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sorry,

316
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we're actually going to talk about your anger.

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So here,

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here's something that we're gonna read together

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and then we're gonna talk about your anger.

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Well,

321
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yeah,

322
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I understand that,

323
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but I mean,

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I really wanna tell you about what happened

325
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in my week cause that's like really pressing on me right now.

326
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No,

327
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I'm sorry.

328
00:10:20,869 --> 00:10:21,090
Um,

329
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this is my gig here and I'm the therapist,

330
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so

331
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we're gonna,

332
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we're gonna do anger

333
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and you're not allowed to talk about anything else right now.

334
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We would think that was lunacy

335
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if we heard that was a therapist's way of handling their clients,

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and that therapist would have no clients.

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Let's be real.

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But somehow we think that that's the way that we can treat children.

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We meet children where they are,

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not the other way around.

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We trust the child

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to know what they need to do

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in their way.

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In their time

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Because

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they know

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how to get where they want to go.

348
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We are all wired with that natural desire to become better versions of ourselves.

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So,

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what presumptuousness to say,

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no,

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no,

353
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no,

354
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no,

355
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we're gonna talk about this.

356
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And honestly,

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parents don't know what they don't know,

358
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so,

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this isn't a dig.

360
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This is just a reality check here.

361
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When a parent says,

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you just need to talk to them about

363
00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:23,669
Well,

364
00:11:23,909 --> 00:11:24,159
yes,

365
00:11:24,239 --> 00:11:25,469
they don't know what they don't know,

366
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and so they have an agenda and they want things to get better,

367
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understandably,

368
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they're in the swirls of crazy.

369
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But that's also on us for not helping a parent understand

370
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what the process is and what we will and what we will never do.

371
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So I will do lots of things in the playroom.

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I will be faithful to the model.

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I will be adherent.

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I will use those 11 responses.

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I will preserve relationship at all costs.

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I will remain neutral.

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I will remain calm.

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I,

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I mean,

380
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the list is very long of the things that we will do.

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Parents need to know that.

382
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In equal measure,

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they need to know what we will unequivocally,

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absolutely never ever do.

385
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And one of which is talk to their kid about something.

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So if a parent comes and says,

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by the way,

388
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you just need to talk to them about

389
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hitting their friends because they hit their friends at school again today.

390
00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:18,080
Well,

391
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you violated my,

392
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we're never going to talk about a child in front of a child rule,

393
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because that was obviously in the lobby before the session,

394
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for example.

395
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So that's on us for not making that clear.

396
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And then it's also on us for not making it clear I'm never going to go in with an agenda.

397
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It's also on us for not making it clear I'm not going to

398
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bring up a topic and force your kid to talk about it.

399
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So,

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these are all of the little nuances of

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setting those very clear expectations when we first

402
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meet with parents,

403
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that very initial parent consultation hour,

404
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it's crucial.

405
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Because we say things like,

406
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and I'm never going to bring something up

407
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in session.

408
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Your child,

409
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if it's important to your child and if they need to bring it up,

410
00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:00,739
they will,

411
00:13:00,820 --> 00:13:02,960
but it's not always going to be brought up verbally.

412
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Sometimes they'll talk about something.

413
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Most of the time they won't.

414
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They'll play it out.

415
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They'll experience their way through it.

416
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They'll feel their way through it.

417
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And it may not be in dialogue,

418
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but they're still handling it.

419
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These are the kinds of things that we need to say,

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and y'all don't forget 7 + or minus 2.

421
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We don't just say that one time.

422
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We say that 5 to 9 times

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because

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that's what the

425
00:13:27,849 --> 00:13:29,090
human race needs

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00:13:29,570 --> 00:13:29,799
for,

427
00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:31,369
for digestion of information,

428
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7 plus or minus 2.

429
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So we're not just going to say that once and move on and say,

430
00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:36,520
OK,

431
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I've done my due diligence and they know the drill now.

432
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No,

433
00:13:39,719 --> 00:13:42,789
they heard it once and they need to hear it 4 to 8 more times,

434
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and then maybe they'll have it sorted out somewhat,

435
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at least to where they won't accost you in the lobby

436
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and tell you you need to talk to their kid.

437
00:13:51,450 --> 00:13:54,150
So the myth that play therapy is not enough

438
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and or

439
00:13:55,890 --> 00:13:56,130
quote,

440
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you have to talk to my kid about.

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We combat that

442
00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:01,479
with fidelity

443
00:14:01,739 --> 00:14:02,669
and adherence.

444
00:14:03,549 --> 00:14:04,780
Careful neutrality,

445
00:14:04,989 --> 00:14:06,469
preservation of relationship,

446
00:14:06,789 --> 00:14:09,489
and setting clear expectations because it is enough.

447
00:14:10,070 --> 00:14:11,489
They don't need to talk at all.

448
00:14:11,989 --> 00:14:14,250
They don't even need to speak the same language as us.

449
00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:16,010
They're not verbal anyway.

450
00:14:16,109 --> 00:14:16,309
I mean,

451
00:14:16,349 --> 00:14:17,690
there's so many reasons.

452
00:14:18,659 --> 00:14:22,849
And these are the things that constantly ground us and make sure that we stay on track

453
00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:23,929
with the model

454
00:14:24,309 --> 00:14:26,169
and that we get out of the child's way

455
00:14:26,429 --> 00:14:28,729
and let them do the things that they know they need to do.

456
00:14:29,460 --> 00:14:32,200
I don't need to remind a child what they need to work on.

457
00:14:34,020 --> 00:14:36,969
That's another one of my favorite things of watching play sessions

458
00:14:37,590 --> 00:14:38,690
before I get on the call.

459
00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:41,219
I know nothing about that child,

460
00:14:41,299 --> 00:14:43,140
and I know the only thing we need to know about

461
00:14:43,140 --> 00:14:45,119
a child before we go into a play session is what?

462
00:14:46,549 --> 00:14:46,960
Their name,

463
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:47,200
yes,

464
00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,000
thank you.

465
00:14:48,559 --> 00:14:49,869
Not biopsychosocial,

466
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:50,799
not intake,

467
00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:52,280
not all these questions,

468
00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:52,880
blah blah blah.

469
00:14:52,989 --> 00:14:53,080
No,

470
00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,080
we need their name and only their name.

471
00:14:56,059 --> 00:14:58,659
But I don't even know that sometimes when I'm watching sessions.

472
00:14:58,979 --> 00:15:01,809
So I go in absolutely blindly watching

473
00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:04,049
my coaching folks play sessions.

474
00:15:04,859 --> 00:15:06,700
And I queue spots because I'm like,

475
00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:07,580
whoa,

476
00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:08,059
oh,

477
00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:08,700
that was deep.

478
00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:09,140
Oh,

479
00:15:09,239 --> 00:15:09,940
that was important.

480
00:15:10,059 --> 00:15:10,659
Oh my gosh,

481
00:15:10,729 --> 00:15:11,400
that was significant.

482
00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:12,059
Whoa,

483
00:15:12,179 --> 00:15:13,419
look at that anxiety coming up.

484
00:15:13,530 --> 00:15:14,140
Oh my word,

485
00:15:14,219 --> 00:15:15,359
look at the power and control.

486
00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:15,820
Wow,

487
00:15:15,940 --> 00:15:17,000
look at the fear facing.

488
00:15:17,510 --> 00:15:20,380
And I'm queuing stuff because I can see how relevant it is,

489
00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:21,880
but I don't know the backstory.

490
00:15:22,549 --> 00:15:25,789
And then the coolest thing is when I get on the call and I say,

491
00:15:25,869 --> 00:15:26,229
all right,

492
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:26,859
give us,

493
00:15:26,909 --> 00:15:27,190
you know,

494
00:15:27,349 --> 00:15:29,809
a little bit of information about this kid we're about to watch.

495
00:15:30,549 --> 00:15:31,929
And then they talk about

496
00:15:32,109 --> 00:15:32,989
the anxiety.

497
00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:35,210
And the trauma

498
00:15:35,349 --> 00:15:37,140
and all this stuff that's going on,

499
00:15:37,150 --> 00:15:37,909
and I'm like,

500
00:15:38,190 --> 00:15:39,179
I already know that.

501
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,340
You didn't need to tell me that for me to tell you

502
00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:45,080
what was going on in that session.

503
00:15:45,739 --> 00:15:47,159
It connects the dots,

504
00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:47,710
like,

505
00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:48,219
oh yeah,

506
00:15:48,289 --> 00:15:48,609
of course,

507
00:15:48,659 --> 00:15:49,760
that makes sense because,

508
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,359
but

509
00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,659
I already knew the child was dealing with anxiety.

510
00:15:52,739 --> 00:15:54,799
I already knew the child was dealing with power and control.

511
00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:57,719
I already knew the child had an aggressive release need.

512
00:15:58,609 --> 00:15:59,150
Because

513
00:15:59,369 --> 00:16:00,669
they just showed

514
00:16:00,890 --> 00:16:02,890
what's going on right in the middle of the session.

515
00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:05,409
That's the beauty of CCPT.

516
00:16:05,609 --> 00:16:07,510
We don't need words of any kind,

517
00:16:07,690 --> 00:16:09,309
not even from parents most of the time.

518
00:16:10,369 --> 00:16:12,849
And that flies in the face of parents are the experts

519
00:16:12,849 --> 00:16:15,830
on their kids and therapists are the experts on the kids.

520
00:16:16,690 --> 00:16:18,669
The child is the expert,

521
00:16:18,969 --> 00:16:19,710
always.

522
00:16:19,969 --> 00:16:20,909
It's their life.

523
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:21,929
It's their experience,

524
00:16:21,969 --> 00:16:23,190
it's their reality.

525
00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:24,890
It's their process.

526
00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:26,729
Their healing journey,

527
00:16:26,809 --> 00:16:28,289
their self-actualization,

528
00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:29,109
they

529
00:16:29,229 --> 00:16:29,880
are the experts.

530
00:16:29,929 --> 00:16:30,669
We trust them

531
00:16:31,369 --> 00:16:32,570
and we trust the process.

532
00:16:33,729 --> 00:16:34,380
I love y'all.

533
00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:35,210
Have a great week.

534
00:16:35,419 --> 00:16:37,359
Please join me on the live call,

535
00:16:37,479 --> 00:16:38,130
28th,

536
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noon Eastern.

537
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Sign up.

538
00:16:40,179 --> 00:16:40,700
Love y'all.

539
00:16:40,859 --> 00:16:41,179
Bye.

540
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,059
Thank you for listening to the Play Therapy Podcast with Dr. Brenna Hicks.

541
00:16:46,239 --> 00:16:48,159
For more episodes and resources,

542
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,080
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