A Former Xbox Exclusive is the Biggest PS5 Game of 2025

<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Best Mornings with Me Jeff Grub,
<v Speaker 1>your host from giant bomb dot com. Thank you for
<v Speaker 1>tuning in. In this episode, we're gonna be talking about
<v Speaker 1>Switch two's huge game breaking records and an expensive Xbox
<v Speaker 1>game is gonna get a little bit cheaper. It's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be a good one because we have Jason Finelli on
<v Speaker 1>the show. Jason, how are you doing?
<v Speaker 2>Or the interruption? I'm Jason Finelli? Did you jewry model?
<v Speaker 2>Did you renovating?
<v Speaker 3>Here? You going on?
<v Speaker 1>We knew you were coming over, so we just spoos
<v Speaker 1>to place up a little bit, you.
<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, looks it looks wonderful. Shout out to the
<v Speaker 2>artist whose name?
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, jet packs and yeah, and a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>other names and there. I also always forget because it's like,
<v Speaker 1>what is jet packs? And what? Jan? Do you remember?
<v Speaker 1>Jed packs and roller skates? Thank you, Jan, jet packs
<v Speaker 1>and roller skates. There we go.
<v Speaker 3>Sounds like a platformer exactly right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm like, it's jet packs and then another
<v Speaker 1>thing from the you know, seventies, eighties, and I what
<v Speaker 1>is it? And then I always blank. Jet Packs and
<v Speaker 1>roller skates has done excellent work. It was really great
<v Speaker 1>working with them, and the show looks great.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, we're going to yeah shutting.
<v Speaker 1>Them, settle in here and kind of get where I'm
<v Speaker 1>breaking the new set, the new virtual set for everybody. Uh. Yeah, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>how you been?
<v Speaker 2>Things are good? You know, just get doing some doing
<v Speaker 2>the work. The Pokemon presents yesterday. Uh, it's pretty pretty
<v Speaker 2>interesting when you're highly touted for a month and a
<v Speaker 2>half live stream.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>People get most excited for the hour long DJ Pikachu
<v Speaker 2>pre show.
<v Speaker 3>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>Someone needs to teach Pokemon Company specifically about the art
<v Speaker 2>of one more thing. Uh, because if I'm watching that,
<v Speaker 2>the messages themselves, like the the the news itself, there's
<v Speaker 2>some neat stuff in there. Pokemon Friends seems like it's
<v Speaker 2>a cool puzzle game. Pokemon Champions looks interesting. Any update
<v Speaker 2>about Za is nice. It's just when you when you
<v Speaker 2>take this and you announce it a month ago and
<v Speaker 2>you let that hype build. It reminds me of Smash
<v Speaker 2>Brothers DLC the first pack, the last character being Bileth
<v Speaker 2>from fire Emblem, and everyone was like, no, that can't
<v Speaker 2>be the last one. That should have been the middle one.
<v Speaker 2>And then you get you have to bookend to these things.
<v Speaker 2>But Nintendo, they finally learned. Pokemon Company still needs to
<v Speaker 2>figure that out. Unless they're playing the long game and
<v Speaker 2>they're saving stuff for worlds in the middle of August,
<v Speaker 2>maybe remains to be seen. But uh yeah, that was fine.
<v Speaker 2>Covered that over a spot that seemed okay. I got
<v Speaker 2>EVO coming up next week, looking very much forward to
<v Speaker 2>watching that. Still undetermined as to whether that'll be in
<v Speaker 2>the room or in this room more than looking more
<v Speaker 2>and more likely like this room. But hey, we'll have
<v Speaker 2>fun either way. Lots of fighting games to talk about.
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna get into EVO a little bit later on
<v Speaker 2>in the show, I believe.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right, we got some some news that has
<v Speaker 1>to do with EVO for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Uh.
<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, though, yeah, I think I'm with you
<v Speaker 1>on the Pokemon where like they need to Uh, they
<v Speaker 1>probably are saving stuff because they always do saved stuff
<v Speaker 1>at this time here, they don't show it all in
<v Speaker 1>this moment at this Pokemon presents so they got they
<v Speaker 1>got to learn presentation rules and stuff like that. The
<v Speaker 1>big thing for me, why I announce it for a
<v Speaker 1>month and a half ahead of time. I want to
<v Speaker 1>just know tomorrow. We're having a small little thing exactly
<v Speaker 1>tom I guess. I guess they want the hype because
<v Speaker 1>they want people watching, because that probably does benefit them,
<v Speaker 1>But that I don't know, boy christ Wolf sort of situation.
<v Speaker 1>People might not want to spin into the next one
<v Speaker 1>if you keep burning them like this and feel like
<v Speaker 1>you know, people don't want to feel like they're times
<v Speaker 1>being wasted. Yeah, we'll get that Pokemon game later this year.
<v Speaker 1>I'm still looking forward to it though. All right, let's
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<v Speaker 1>June twenty twenty five US video game market highlights from Sircana.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Matt Piscatella. Nintendo switched to debuted as
<v Speaker 1>the fastest selling video game hardware device in the US
<v Speaker 1>in US history, while consumer spending in both video game
<v Speaker 1>hardware and accessories reached new all time June records. There
<v Speaker 1>are some numbers here just to give you some comparison points.
<v Speaker 1>In June twenty twenty four, total video game sales and
<v Speaker 1>this is a projected number that brings in everything, but
<v Speaker 1>that was up twenty two percent to five point seven
<v Speaker 1>as that yet, that's billion dollars five point seven billion dollars,
<v Speaker 1>and then see video game content was up six percent,
<v Speaker 1>video game hardware up two hundred and forty nine percent.
<v Speaker 1>By yeah, usually June's gonna be a little bit slower anyhow.
<v Speaker 1>Then this year you have a new WHICH two that
<v Speaker 1>combines to get you almost two eight billion dollars in hardware,
<v Speaker 1>So it's nine hundred and seventy eight million compared to
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and eighty million last year. Video Game accessories
<v Speaker 1>were also up twenty nine percent. Let's see here. The
<v Speaker 1>best selling game of the month, though, was elden Ring
<v Speaker 1>Night Rain. Still, that's two months in a row where
<v Speaker 1>I topped the list did very well. Death Stranding two
<v Speaker 1>on the Beach was number two, and Mario Kart World,
<v Speaker 1>which doesn't include digital and does not include the bundled copies,
<v Speaker 1>was at number three, and then Call of Duty Black
<v Speaker 1>Ops six at number four, and Stellar Blade at number
<v Speaker 1>five that launched on PC. Right, and that so I
<v Speaker 1>jumped up to number five after being one eighty five
<v Speaker 1>last month. How do you read these early this information
<v Speaker 1>so far?
<v Speaker 2>A couple of things. I'm assuming that if you included
<v Speaker 2>bundles and digital, Mario Kart World would shoot up that list,
<v Speaker 2>I because you know, many people bought it with the
<v Speaker 2>console and the fact that that's not included. I get it,
<v Speaker 2>but also it's kind of weird. Also, it's weird to
<v Speaker 2>see that this is like the record for June. You
<v Speaker 2>always associate this. I always associate June with video games,
<v Speaker 2>but for announcements like that's where E three was, that's
<v Speaker 2>where SGF is now, and that doesn't necessarily translate to sales.
<v Speaker 2>So to see that now this being a record month
<v Speaker 2>for gaming in the month that I normally associate.
<v Speaker 3>With, it pretty neat.
<v Speaker 2>I like seeing you can always tell when games launch
<v Speaker 2>on different platforms, because, like you said, Stellar Blade at
<v Speaker 2>one eighty five, it was one eighty five. Now five
<v Speaker 2>further down the list, Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, eighteenth for
<v Speaker 2>the month was four hundred and twenty seventh. So switch
<v Speaker 2>to alone. I'm assuming bump that guy up pretty far.
<v Speaker 2>One you have to be impressed with, not necessarily surprised,
<v Speaker 2>but impressed with is Death Straining two because you figure
<v Speaker 2>that came out June twenty seventh, right, that was that
<v Speaker 2>June twenty eighth, something like that, and.
<v Speaker 1>Then last week of the month for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yep.
<v Speaker 2>And this only goes to July fifth, so in a
<v Speaker 2>week it became second for the entire month. That's pretty impressive.
<v Speaker 2>That's Hideo fans coming out in droves as you would expect, right.
<v Speaker 1>And it's also exclusive, right, so it's one platform and
<v Speaker 1>night Rain is everywhere, and it's Elder Rings, so it's
<v Speaker 1>just yeah, and we know that game's doing very well, but.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, go ahead, yeah, yeah. So those are the things
<v Speaker 2>that really stick out to me. Also the video game hardware,
<v Speaker 2>that's just what happens. Two hundred and fifty percent increase
<v Speaker 2>when you launch a console, the fastest selling console ever.
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't surprise me. I knew that Nintendo fans would
<v Speaker 2>come out in droves. I think, honestly, if you're going
<v Speaker 2>to look at it from trying to find a surprising angle,
<v Speaker 2>it's that with all the tumult and all the nonsense
<v Speaker 2>that was happening leading up to Switches launch, that there
<v Speaker 2>were enough consoles for it to be the fastest selling
<v Speaker 2>video game hardware of all time.
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I think this is the conversation, right. I
<v Speaker 1>think Mapus Kutel gave a quote to ig and I
<v Speaker 1>think where he said like, hey, yeah, this tells us
<v Speaker 1>he said this on launch day. Well, he says, this
<v Speaker 1>tells us they made a lot of switch toes, and
<v Speaker 1>that's what we know for sure here. And then he
<v Speaker 1>was asked by some people, oh, can we say officially
<v Speaker 1>now that the switch to was priced correctly, that it
<v Speaker 1>was not overpriced and people did show up for it.
<v Speaker 1>He's like, look, the people who show up now are
<v Speaker 1>the least price sensitive. They are the biggest enthusiast, the
<v Speaker 1>ones that will show up. But it clearly has pass
<v Speaker 1>this first test. It did get past this, Like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the people that are the least price sensitive were not
<v Speaker 1>sensitive to this price. He points out that the next
<v Speaker 1>test will be the holiday, and we will see at
<v Speaker 1>that point where will the average consumer not just be like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to pay five hundred dollars for this bundle.
<v Speaker 1>The Mario Kart bundle apparently gonna be gone by then
<v Speaker 1>and in place with the Pokemon bundle, although I'm sure
<v Speaker 1>that audience will be fine with that as well, But like,
<v Speaker 1>you know, am I willing to pay that much money
<v Speaker 1>and then do the work to track one of these down?
<v Speaker 1>Or while I use the price as an excuse to
<v Speaker 1>be like, I'll just wait until later. So yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>got another test coming, but so far it has passed
<v Speaker 1>this early one and sold very well.
<v Speaker 2>And if I had to predict, it's going to pass
<v Speaker 2>the next one. I'm assuming that there were some Pokemon
<v Speaker 2>fans who were waiting for Za to see if they
<v Speaker 2>were waiting for it to get closer with the switch
<v Speaker 2>to edition, now they can just buy the console with
<v Speaker 2>the game problem solved, So I expect it's going to
<v Speaker 2>have a huge holiday as well from the people who
<v Speaker 2>were waiting anyway, and now the extra Like I have
<v Speaker 2>a group chat that we just talk about video games,
<v Speaker 2>and one of my guys was like, I'm going to
<v Speaker 2>wait to see what this Pokemon Presents brings out before
<v Speaker 2>I decide on switch too. There's the console he's in.
<v Speaker 2>He's waiting till October. I expect he's not the only
<v Speaker 2>one to do that, so I yeah, don't be surprised
<v Speaker 2>if we're talking about the fastest six months in history
<v Speaker 2>once all is said and done in twenty twenty five.
<v Speaker 2>You like to see it. You like to see that
<v Speaker 2>people came out for it. You like to see that
<v Speaker 2>the sales were good and the stock was good, especially
<v Speaker 2>considering you know everything. So let's see if that holds.
<v Speaker 2>Let's see if future reports keep those things going up.
<v Speaker 2>And I look forward to next months when Donkey Kong Bonanza,
<v Speaker 2>he takes number one from Elden Ring as is deserved.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got so as part of the new redesign,
<v Speaker 1>we got another thing that it'll be a little surprised
<v Speaker 1>on Friday, everybody, I'll play you what it's called, and
<v Speaker 1>you guys might be able to piece together. It's called
<v Speaker 1>the Bomb twelve and we'll debut that on Friday, and
<v Speaker 1>we should tune in and it's going to be a
<v Speaker 1>weekly thing. And because of that, I've been kind of
<v Speaker 1>like asking people why I have put a forum a
<v Speaker 1>Google form up and said, hey, what are you playing
<v Speaker 1>right now? Or what is your game right now? And
<v Speaker 1>so it's interesting to be able to get like just
<v Speaker 1>an insight of like, oh, yeah, that's my audience. I
<v Speaker 1>get that, but I am curious about that. I got
<v Speaker 1>a lot of respons's, like more than a thousand so far.
<v Speaker 1>And the list once you get to the d and
<v Speaker 1>it starts with Donkey Kong, it just you scroll and
<v Speaker 1>scroll and scroll, and so many people are playing Donkey Kong.
<v Speaker 1>It is is a lot a lot of people playing
<v Speaker 1>dest Training too as well. Cool, so it's like okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but like a ton of people are playing Donkey Kong,
<v Speaker 1>and I just feel like that is the game where
<v Speaker 1>it's like, Okay, I bought this system, There's no why
<v Speaker 1>would I have spent all this money and not get
<v Speaker 1>that game. So it's just gonna be such a no
<v Speaker 1>brainer for so many people. It feels like, honestly, a
<v Speaker 1>really well designed launch window right where it's like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>we got the launch with Mario Kart. We're gonna Donkey
<v Speaker 1>Kong in the next month, and then there's other stuff happening,
<v Speaker 1>and then later we're gonna swap out the Mario Kart Bundle,
<v Speaker 1>which is the thing I alluded to earlier. They're gonna
<v Speaker 1>they said they said earlier that that was a limited
<v Speaker 1>time thing, although I expected to be back every year
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of this sus life. The way the
<v Speaker 1>Mario Kart Bundle was for Switch one, but they're going
<v Speaker 1>to replace it with the Pokemon Bundle, And that is
<v Speaker 1>such a just like one two punch slam dunk that
<v Speaker 1>you were like, you were saying, like, if you weren't
<v Speaker 1>hit by Mario Kart, you're probably gonna get hit by
<v Speaker 1>Pokemon if you're someone who's already thinking about a switch
<v Speaker 1>to for sure. So yeah, just from a strategic point
<v Speaker 1>of view, I think this launch has gone really well
<v Speaker 1>for a Nintendo Yep.
<v Speaker 2>You really can't ask for much more. They planned it right,
<v Speaker 2>they did it right, they put everything out the way
<v Speaker 2>they needed to. And again, the most important thing I
<v Speaker 2>keep coming back to it the stock was there. That
<v Speaker 2>all those shipping issues that we were worried about, clearly
<v Speaker 2>they were prepared for uh and the numbers prove that.
<v Speaker 2>So if they can keep that going and keep the
<v Speaker 2>stock flowing without raising prices or anything like that, I
<v Speaker 2>think we'll I think we'll be talking about this as
<v Speaker 2>one of the better launch strategies, if not one of
<v Speaker 2>the best in gaming history.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see here, let's read some of these other details
<v Speaker 1>from Matt. June hardware spending increased by that two hundred
<v Speaker 1>and forty nine percent one compared to a year ago.
<v Speaker 1>This is a record high for hardware spending in a
<v Speaker 1>June month, surpassing the six hundred and eight million reached
<v Speaker 1>in June two thousand and eight. It was June was
<v Speaker 1>something specific happened in June two thousand and eight. I'm
<v Speaker 1>trying to remember. I guess that was early in like
<v Speaker 1>Xbox three sixty right, and that.
<v Speaker 2>Would have been PlayStation three. Did one look your Solid
<v Speaker 2>four come out in June two thousand and eight.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was like, it's a meddle your Solid four?
<v Speaker 1>Is it? Is it a Gears of War or something
<v Speaker 1>like that? I guess could be a big WEI title.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure it's metal.
<v Speaker 1>Your Solid four hardware going continue with hardware here and
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo Switch to sold one point six million units in June,
<v Speaker 1>the highest launch month unit sales for Nintendo for video
<v Speaker 1>game hardware and US history. The previous high was one
<v Speaker 1>point one million units of the PlayStation four sold during
<v Speaker 1>November twenty thirteen. I think Matt has to get permission
<v Speaker 1>from Nintendo to say that number, So Nintendo has I
<v Speaker 1>think I do expl I think I think that's how
<v Speaker 1>it works, because I don't think he's been able to
<v Speaker 1>share these exact numbers for quite some time unless he
<v Speaker 1>gets explicit permission from the company. So Nintendo must have
<v Speaker 1>been like, yeah, you go ahead and say that, Although
<v Speaker 1>usually the usually they'd want to trumpet that themselves. I
<v Speaker 1>think maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't remember
<v Speaker 1>him being able to share exact numbers for quite some time.
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo switched to was June's best selling video game hardware
<v Speaker 1>and both unit and dollar sales well. Polase Station five
<v Speaker 1>remained the best seller year to date across both measures
<v Speaker 1>for content. June video game content spending grew by six
<v Speaker 1>percent when compared to a year ago to four point
<v Speaker 1>four billion dollars. Let's see here. They also mentioned non
<v Speaker 1>mobile video game subscription spending increased by thirty two percent
<v Speaker 1>compared to June twenty twenty four to five hundre and
<v Speaker 1>sixty two million dollars. This is in all time high
<v Speaker 1>for a single month. One of the parts of this, Jason,
<v Speaker 1>is that spending on Star Wars the Old Republic really
<v Speaker 1>increased quite a bit as part of that recent surge
<v Speaker 1>in like interest in Star Wars because of the Revenge
<v Speaker 1>of the Sith twentieth anniversary screening and or and Star
<v Speaker 1>Wars Battlefront two. It seems it sounds like people went
<v Speaker 1>to Star Wars Battlefront two and then maybe got their
<v Speaker 1>crew together now, like, hey, let's go play Star Wars
<v Speaker 1>The Old Republic as well.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what's happening here that is interesting. You'd
<v Speaker 2>beisoft probably like, well, where are all the people that
<v Speaker 2>where all these people? Why aren't they playing Outlaws? Because
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars was a rocky ip when that game came out, Remember, Wow,
<v Speaker 2>who'd have thought? But yeah, that's interesting. I had not considered,
<v Speaker 2>and I went and also too if if you want
<v Speaker 2>to include Fortnite in that as well.
<v Speaker 1>Fortnite all of Julist points right, yes, that that moment
<v Speaker 1>and that season ended right as all this stuff started
<v Speaker 1>picking up, So really good point.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that that could be it as well too, man,
<v Speaker 2>But just seeing that being an all time high for
<v Speaker 2>a single month. I like it for those games, but
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I like it for the rest of
<v Speaker 2>the industry. You know, I'm saying fewer and more people
<v Speaker 2>pushing to that model, and unfortunately, as we have learned
<v Speaker 2>many many times, only the ones at the top of
<v Speaker 2>the chain are going to stay there. It's very, very
<v Speaker 2>very hard to break in. So I would love to
<v Speaker 2>know the split of that five hundred and sixty two
<v Speaker 2>and how what games are getting how much of it,
<v Speaker 2>just to see how dominant some of those games could
<v Speaker 2>be great to see Old Republic get that surge though.
<v Speaker 2>That game, it's really the game that could.
<v Speaker 3>Man. It just sticks around, It just sticks.
<v Speaker 2>Around the periphery, and then every once in a while
<v Speaker 2>something like this happens and it comes back or where
<v Speaker 2>a news headline hits for it, and it's just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>good for them, good for good for BioWare for keeping
<v Speaker 2>it up for this long, especially in the situation that
<v Speaker 2>they find themselves in regularly.
<v Speaker 3>At ea, you love to see that. So cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is I could definitely see Star Wars playing
<v Speaker 2>a big part in this in multiple games, with Old
<v Speaker 2>Republic being the most notable one with its huge search.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Absolutely, Like I guess for license games overall, where
<v Speaker 1>do you think big licenses are actu it? It feels
<v Speaker 1>like we're at a you know, one of my favorite
<v Speaker 1>phrases low Tide with this, where it's just like, you know,
<v Speaker 1>there was a moment a couple of years ago where
<v Speaker 1>these companies were all saying these are the safe bets
<v Speaker 1>compared to trying to make our own stuff. And I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that really paid off for anyone that got
<v Speaker 1>a big license for the most part, except for Warner Brothers,
<v Speaker 1>who already has the Harry Potter license. So Hogwarts legacy
<v Speaker 1>worked really well for them, but they're not a lot
<v Speaker 1>of other examples of that. But Star Wars does seem
<v Speaker 1>to be on an upswing. But if you were in
<v Speaker 1>charge of one of these companies, would you take that
<v Speaker 1>as a sign of like, Okay, no, you know, let's
<v Speaker 1>get back into that game. Let's go spend one hundred
<v Speaker 1>million dollar licensing fee or whatever and take another risk
<v Speaker 1>on that. Or is this sort of like a momentary
<v Speaker 1>floating situation for this franchise where people are like, I
<v Speaker 1>already own these games, I'm gonna go back to them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's more that just oh man, I
<v Speaker 2>watched and do I really want to play Old Republic again?
<v Speaker 2>Let's re up for a month and just see what's
<v Speaker 2>going on in that game. As far as licensed games go,
<v Speaker 2>I think your better option right now is lower budget,
<v Speaker 2>perhaps nostalgic ips that you make a game for Let's
<v Speaker 2>talk about Saber. Yes, yesterday releasing hell Raiser first person
<v Speaker 2>survival horror in that world, the first ever hell Raiser
<v Speaker 2>video game?
<v Speaker 3>Did I read that right?
<v Speaker 1>And never remember hell? I remember Friday the thirteenth, or
<v Speaker 1>whatever on.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, and Night Mary on ELM Street as well.
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know the hell Raiser ever got one,
<v Speaker 2>which I guess makes sense considering the subject matter. But
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of thing I think you need to
<v Speaker 2>do if you're doing licensing. Find those licenses of maybe
<v Speaker 2>dormant you know, movie or TV ips, maybe books, book
<v Speaker 2>eyps that haven't really been explored before, and try and
<v Speaker 2>craft a game out of that in a genre that
<v Speaker 2>it fits in. Like I always hear Brandon say Anderson
<v Speaker 2>should should should make games out of his books, right.
<v Speaker 2>Stuff like that I think is better for licensing as
<v Speaker 2>far as top licenses Marvel Star Wars, as you said, DC,
<v Speaker 2>which WB already has, Harry Potter, which DC already has,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, i WB already has I. Unless you have
<v Speaker 2>a sure fire idea that you know, yeah, that and
<v Speaker 2>will be cheap, relatively cheap to develop and quick to develop,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think anybody should take that plunge right now, though.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I want to go
<v Speaker 1>in this tangent real quick with you. I was thinking,
<v Speaker 1>lets you, yeah, about the Ubisoft stuff recently, of the
<v Speaker 1>micro transaction thing that they had. I haven't done a
<v Speaker 1>story on this. I was going to, but I'm like, ah,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like there was much there. And I
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about it last night, and basically they said
<v Speaker 1>people like micro transactions cause it's fun and they can
<v Speaker 1>beat the game faster, and I'm like, oh, no, I
<v Speaker 1>think this is the exact thing that has poisoned people
<v Speaker 1>against you, be Soft, is that when they buy the game,
<v Speaker 1>they know all even if you don't look at the
<v Speaker 1>list of micro transactions, even if you don't like look
<v Speaker 1>at like the boosters or whatever, you completely ignore them,
<v Speaker 1>you know that they're there, and you know that there's
<v Speaker 1>a chance, and we know it's like it's much less
<v Speaker 1>of a chance and very like a likely possibility that
<v Speaker 1>they design the game around the idea of maybe just
<v Speaker 1>nudging you towards using an XP booster or something like that.
<v Speaker 1>And people don't want to feel that way when they
<v Speaker 1>buy their game, Like they look at all the games
<v Speaker 1>that have popped off in like the last year, and
<v Speaker 1>then also like Ubisoft that doesn't their games don't feel
<v Speaker 1>special in a lot of other ways. So if I'm
<v Speaker 1>like looking at at Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three versus
<v Speaker 1>Assassin's Creed Shadows, and I'm like, I got to spend
<v Speaker 1>my money somewhere. Well, I know my money's going to
<v Speaker 1>go all the way to the end of what Claire
<v Speaker 1>Obscure can provide for me. And if they have a
<v Speaker 1>FDLC down the line, that's fine, that's one thing. But
<v Speaker 1>right now it's like that I know I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>get everything. It just feels like my money is working
<v Speaker 1>for me better. In that situation. People just don't trust
<v Speaker 1>you be soft anymore. And I think it's I think
<v Speaker 1>it's all about the micro transactions. I think there was
<v Speaker 1>a time where we were like I was like, let's
<v Speaker 1>you know, people seem to spend money on micro transactions.
<v Speaker 1>I guess we should. You know, as consumers, we have
<v Speaker 1>to just like look at that and say, hey, this
<v Speaker 1>is we do. We keep doing this, we keep spending
<v Speaker 1>that money. But so these companies must be right. If
<v Speaker 1>if we're going to put this stuff out and then
<v Speaker 1>we buy it and they make a lot of money,
<v Speaker 1>they must be right. And it's like, I I think
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people at the same time, while I
<v Speaker 1>was thinking that, we're saying, yeah, but I'm just not
<v Speaker 1>going to go get UBI soft games anymore or other
<v Speaker 1>games that are that are like this, and that has
<v Speaker 1>sort of grown to be enough of a problem that
<v Speaker 1>I think it has. It has hollowed out what Ubisoft
<v Speaker 1>offers and there's maybe no coming back from it unless
<v Speaker 1>they completely change their tune and they're just singing the
<v Speaker 1>same tune. So I don't know, does that sound right
<v Speaker 1>to you?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>It does, because I'm going to quote the great George
<v Speaker 2>Carlin here. People like their bullshit out front where they
<v Speaker 2>can get a good, strong whiff of it. If Ubisoft
<v Speaker 2>is doing this subtle, like hey, you should get the
<v Speaker 2>XP booster, people are gonna sniff that out immediately and
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna call that bullshit out. Meanwhile, talk to a
<v Speaker 2>sports player right who's been playing Ultimate Team for years,
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, the first time you've been dealing with
<v Speaker 2>this shit. So but they know what's coming. They know that,
<v Speaker 2>they know that they can if they're gonna play Ultimate Team,
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna be picking up their wallets just as much
<v Speaker 2>asy're picking up the damn controller. They know that's gonna happen.
<v Speaker 2>Trying to hide it and be sneaky about it and
<v Speaker 2>stealthy is not working. So people are going to lose
<v Speaker 2>trust in you, and then UBI soft is going to
<v Speaker 2>turn into what it turns into. Ubisoft always had people
<v Speaker 2>at arms length, even with their most popular games, because
<v Speaker 2>of what they called the ubi soft map, right, all
<v Speaker 2>these different things, all these different like towers to unlock
<v Speaker 2>more than map, a bit of a paralysis of indecision
<v Speaker 2>because there's so much shit to do, you don't know
<v Speaker 2>what exactly what to do, and that then saying well
<v Speaker 2>you want to get past that, here's the XP booster
<v Speaker 2>to make it faster. It's slimy, and people can sniff
<v Speaker 2>that shit out a mile away and they're not gonna
<v Speaker 2>play your games anymore. And then you find yourself in
<v Speaker 2>a situation where a company like you be solved, which
<v Speaker 2>if I had said what I'm about to say fifteen
<v Speaker 2>years ago, you would have laughed in my face. Has
<v Speaker 2>nothing on the table. There's nothing coming from them right
<v Speaker 2>now that we know about. There's rumors, there's speculation there
<v Speaker 2>may be an announced thing. I'm forgetting, but the fact
<v Speaker 2>that I have am having trouble remembering what u be
<v Speaker 2>Soft is coming out with says it all.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know. Assassin's Creed Shadows number three best selling
<v Speaker 1>game of the year so far. Yeah, I recognize that,
<v Speaker 1>but it's that's Assassin's Creed, And that seems like the
<v Speaker 1>best case scenario of they did the break Glass in
<v Speaker 1>case emergency, we're going to Japan. We we're gonna try
<v Speaker 1>and like spend a lot of time on this one,
<v Speaker 1>make it really good. They did. It feels like this
<v Speaker 1>is the ceiling for it, and it's a high ceiling
<v Speaker 1>it is. But I just don't I think it's replicable
<v Speaker 1>with like, Okay, so now go do that with the
<v Speaker 1>next Rainbow six. With the next Rainbow six, that's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be such a challenge. What are you talking about the
<v Speaker 1>next far Cry? Are you really going to take the
<v Speaker 1>time to like rework what those games are, because you
<v Speaker 1>haven't done that so far, and that seems like a
<v Speaker 1>big challenge in and of itself. And so it's like,
<v Speaker 1>are you just gonna keep putting out the same thing
<v Speaker 1>there and hope to make more money on the back
<v Speaker 1>end with micro transactions? Yet again, probably, and I just
<v Speaker 1>think we will see diminishing returns. There is a slow
<v Speaker 1>erosion of these games, is what we're actually witnessing.
<v Speaker 2>There's another thing too, Ghost Beach games. In chat giant
<v Speaker 2>bomb dot com slast check go check it out. That
<v Speaker 2>makes a great point here. The phrase micro transactions is
<v Speaker 2>no longer valid either. We used to call it that
<v Speaker 2>when they were nine to nine cents to two ninety nine.
<v Speaker 2>As they write these we're talking about twenty dollars things.
<v Speaker 2>Now they're just transactions. There are extra transactions at this point, which.
<v Speaker 1>Is maxi maxi transactions.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, x transactions.
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's see here, anything else, man, the macro
<v Speaker 1>economy of Ubisoft Games eighty two Nintendo Switch to buyers
<v Speaker 1>during June, also acquired Mario Kart World one way or
<v Speaker 1>the others. So pretty high install our attach rate. Although
<v Speaker 1>remember when Breath of the While was like one hundred
<v Speaker 1>and two percent attach rate to the switch or something
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's like people were buying digital and physical.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or somebody bought the physical copy and then painted
<v Speaker 2>it and tried to put it in the switch and
<v Speaker 2>broke the switch for some reason, so they had to
<v Speaker 2>get another. Oh sorry, that was Bonanza that idio.
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, let's see Stellar Blade jumped. We talked about that
<v Speaker 1>and then yeah, all right, yeah, so a good month.
<v Speaker 1>Let's see if Nintendo can keep its momentum. Very likely
<v Speaker 1>we'll be able to. I'm interested to see like what
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year goes like for the other
<v Speaker 1>consoles and other game cells. But it sounds like right
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<v Speaker 1>a member. Now it's Games Mornings. I'm Jeff Greb. That's
<v Speaker 1>Jason Finelli. Let's do this thing. The biggest PlayStation game
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty five is a four year old former
<v Speaker 1>Xbox exclusive. This is from John Walker at Kotaku. Microsoft's
<v Speaker 1>push to separate the concept of Xbox games from the
<v Speaker 1>Xbox console self has always felt a little annoying the
<v Speaker 1>corporations this is an Xbox campaign has been more confusing
<v Speaker 1>than anything else. However, the really significant aspect of this
<v Speaker 1>detaching of the games from the machines is the releasing
<v Speaker 1>of once Xbox exclusives onto Sony's consoles, and in the
<v Speaker 1>case of flagship release Forts Horizon five, it's proven such
<v Speaker 1>an enormous success the game has out sold everything else
<v Speaker 1>released on the PS five this year. While we should
<v Speaker 1>always take the industry analysis figures with a bucket of salt,
<v Speaker 1>it's being reported by the al Nia Yeah Alanna Insight
<v Speaker 1>newsletter thanks to you I Biz that Forts the Horizon five
<v Speaker 1>has now sold over three million copies on the PS five,
<v Speaker 1>pushing it ahead of Monster Hunter World and seeing it
<v Speaker 1>out selling last year's PlayStation exclusive Astrobot in a third
<v Speaker 1>of the time, and far ahead of one of this
<v Speaker 1>year's big big PS five launches, Death Stranding two, although
<v Speaker 1>that just got started. We'll see, we'll see what happens
<v Speaker 1>with that. Yeah, okay, I think I was expecting Forts
<v Speaker 1>Horizon five to do really well on PlayStation five. This
<v Speaker 1>is like better than best case scenario. This is like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>people were craving this, and I wonder if there was
<v Speaker 1>like data like that. Microsoft looks set to understand that
<v Speaker 1>there was a craziness, because I don't think that there
<v Speaker 1>were a lot of PlayStation fans in the list war
<v Speaker 1>conversations that happened on Twitter or whatever being like, well,
<v Speaker 1>I hate your Xbox, but if that Ports Harison five
<v Speaker 1>ever comes to PlayStation, I'm gonna play the fuck.
<v Speaker 3>Out of that.
<v Speaker 1>They don't, They don't talk that way, so, but it
<v Speaker 1>certainly seems to be the case. And I guess it
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. This is a game that you know, PlayStation
<v Speaker 1>does not make in house. Xbox has made a big
<v Speaker 1>deal about it. This game was like up for a
<v Speaker 1>lot of Game of the Year considerations when it did
<v Speaker 1>come out, and now it's reaping being able to reach
<v Speaker 1>more players, right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean not to get all like I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to feed into the tribalist thing, but we have
<v Speaker 2>to look at this from his perspective of sort of
<v Speaker 2>like place. This is a company PlayStation with its own
<v Speaker 2>premiere racing franchise, and x Xbox just came in and
<v Speaker 2>drank your milkshake, drank it up, So like what what's
<v Speaker 2>you have to look internally and be like, what the
<v Speaker 2>hell's going on with Grand Tarisma? But more importantly, yes,
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's the fact that it's
<v Speaker 2>a for as a game or the fact that, as
<v Speaker 2>is being talked about in chat here, it's an arcade racer.
<v Speaker 2>It's not a pure simulation. It's a little more, a
<v Speaker 2>little more fun, a little more creativity to it. And
<v Speaker 2>that might be what's what the PlayStation audience was craving.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what what.
<v Speaker 1>I'm shaking my head at the chat. But what if
<v Speaker 1>the cars were girls that you tuned up that race?
<v Speaker 1>I think that's I don't know who did that.
<v Speaker 2>A bunch of bunch of horse brained people in chat,
<v Speaker 2>but but yeah, I I'm part of this might just
<v Speaker 2>be and I have to remember this too. The the
<v Speaker 2>list wars that you mentioned, the tribalist back and forth
<v Speaker 2>is a vocal mind, very loud, vocal minority, but a
<v Speaker 2>vocal minority nonetheless, and the casual fan or the term
<v Speaker 2>non terminally online people were like, yo, fors Is, come
<v Speaker 2>into PlayStation. I'm in and that's all it took. So
<v Speaker 2>these are the people that I think are boosting these numbers,
<v Speaker 2>the people that we don't really think about because they're
<v Speaker 2>not in our faces every day telling us that the
<v Speaker 2>other console sucks.
<v Speaker 3>But I like it.
<v Speaker 2>I like it for for Xbox. I don't know how
<v Speaker 2>plate like, how does how does play station? How do
<v Speaker 2>you think they feel about this? That's so it's it's
<v Speaker 2>at first they're like, hey, we're driving more software on
<v Speaker 2>our console. And on the other hand, it's like, but
<v Speaker 2>it's not ours. Why what are we gonna do to
<v Speaker 2>get people to buy our games instead or our racing games.
<v Speaker 2>It's a weird situation that they find themselves in, which
<v Speaker 2>may be put an Xbox A strategy right that might
<v Speaker 2>be like, Hey, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna come
<v Speaker 2>over to your house, we're gonna sit on your couch,
<v Speaker 2>and you're not gonna do anything about it. You're gonna
<v Speaker 2>give us a glass of lemonade. It's it's an interesting,
<v Speaker 2>very really interesting thing after years of separation and silos
<v Speaker 2>and console wars to see this like Salvo from Xbox. Now,
<v Speaker 2>PlayStation's done a little bit too, But Xbox has definitely
<v Speaker 2>led the challenge of we're gonna put our stuff on
<v Speaker 2>your console and how do you like that? And so far,
<v Speaker 2>Sony's like, sure, Now are they driving console sales? I
<v Speaker 2>doubt it if they are. If they if they, if
<v Speaker 2>Sony is seeing some data that maybe console sales are
<v Speaker 2>going up, or like people are using this as an
<v Speaker 2>excuse to try PlayStation with a game that they already know. Right,
<v Speaker 2>it's probably not many people, but there might be out there.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I uh, you stop talking about the car, Dame.
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna stop talking about the cars. Girls. They're
<v Speaker 1>gonna just they're on their own. Now we have to
<v Speaker 1>abandon them. What hast thou rought? It's gonna be rough now,
<v Speaker 1>Chad is gonna be bad. So so yeah, I think
<v Speaker 1>like the point about hey, why does PlayStation feel? I
<v Speaker 1>think I think these companies operate a little bit like
<v Speaker 1>the weather right, where it's like they sort of just
<v Speaker 1>go where they go from a high pressure system to
<v Speaker 1>a low pressure system, and then they fill in that gap.
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Microsoft's doing. It's like the Xbox is
<v Speaker 1>a high pressure system because there's just nothing left to
<v Speaker 1>do there. It's tapped out and they have all this stuff,
<v Speaker 1>and so they rush into a zone where there's low pressure,
<v Speaker 1>which is the PlayStation five that doesn't have any of
<v Speaker 1>these Xbox games, and now they're just it's storming into there.
<v Speaker 1>And I think PlayStation's kind of like the same way,
<v Speaker 1>but the opposite thing, where it's like, Okay, we have
<v Speaker 1>a tapped out what we can make and now we've
<v Speaker 1>established this really strong brand, this console that's sold very well.
<v Speaker 1>How else can we make more money from this? Well,
<v Speaker 1>someone else bring in their games here and selling a
<v Speaker 1>ton and we get a thirty percent cut of that.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's just good business. So I think because it
<v Speaker 1>is benefiting both of them, I think both companies, just
<v Speaker 1>like the weather, going to keep going in that direction
<v Speaker 1>and they're not gonna be able to stop themselves. So
<v Speaker 1>it's I think this is just the beginning of this
<v Speaker 1>stuff kind of coming together and really lopping off the
<v Speaker 1>console wars, which we already know are over, but I
<v Speaker 1>mean this is going to morphin into whatever it looks
<v Speaker 1>like in the future, and I think it's going to
<v Speaker 1>be more like changing more than we were expecting in
<v Speaker 1>terms of like the delineations between these companies or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, everyone involved, I think it's happy with this
<v Speaker 1>because everyone's making more money and so yeah, we're going
<v Speaker 1>to see a lot more of this.
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest tell as to whether or not
<v Speaker 2>this one console future or one like companies sharing their ips,
<v Speaker 2>as if Nintendo was ever forced to do it, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's to do it. That's a long way off shore.
<v Speaker 3>But I think.
<v Speaker 1>It's the rule a little bit right though, because it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they're they're just of course they're going to keep being
<v Speaker 1>their own thing. They worked really hard to do that
<v Speaker 1>specifically to avoid this, and they push back against like
<v Speaker 1>where the weather is going to take them like that.
<v Speaker 1>They just they try to dictate things a little bit,
<v Speaker 1>and that makes them a little bit different than these
<v Speaker 1>other American or American behavior companies like Sony that are
<v Speaker 1>going to just kind of be like, hey, this is
<v Speaker 1>what makes more money. So we're gonna go with investor
<v Speaker 1>what investors want right now, and we'll keep doing more
<v Speaker 1>of that, see where it takes us, because this is
<v Speaker 1>good for the next quarter as far as forts the
<v Speaker 1>Horizon goes. Yeah, I think that we're going to point
<v Speaker 1>now where the next game is on PlayStation three months later,
<v Speaker 1>six months later, and then in a couple of years,
<v Speaker 1>I think we get to a point where it's like, well,
<v Speaker 1>these things just all launch them on both consoles at
<v Speaker 1>the same time from Microsoft. Yep.
<v Speaker 2>Now it also does sort of speak to why the
<v Speaker 2>pure simulation fors was reportedly shelved. Right, If Microsoft sees
<v Speaker 2>that there is an appetite for Horizon on its competitors console,
<v Speaker 2>it does sort of make sense to then focus on
<v Speaker 2>Horizon six or sorry, it would.
<v Speaker 1>Be the next one would be Horizon six, right.
<v Speaker 2>It was oh yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I four came
<v Speaker 2>out first on PlayStation. I think that's what screwing me up. So, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Horizon six and getting it on Xbox and PC first
<v Speaker 2>and then PlayStation three months later to keep this momentum going.
<v Speaker 2>I kind of sort of get it. It resulted in
<v Speaker 2>mass layoffs, and I do not want to take them
<v Speaker 2>off of the hook for that.
<v Speaker 3>That's awful.
<v Speaker 2>But now it's sort of there is a reason. There
<v Speaker 2>is a reason. That's all I'm saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think that they could have made Motorsport work.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm with you again, they're reacting. They are on
<v Speaker 1>like both of these companies are always on their heels
<v Speaker 1>because they're afraid of like making taking big risks and
<v Speaker 1>trying things. So they look at the telemetry that it's
<v Speaker 1>telling us this, and we're seeing what Forts Horizon does
<v Speaker 1>when we put that on PlayStation. If we're there say this,
<v Speaker 1>what if we put Motorsport over there? What would happen?
<v Speaker 1>They'd be like, well, those people already have Grand Turismo,
<v Speaker 1>so they're not going to need Motorsport. That demain would
<v Speaker 1>be far, far less. And we know that there's less
<v Speaker 1>interest in this game overall because of what happened on Xbox,
<v Speaker 1>and so they're like, oh, is it even worth it anymore?
<v Speaker 1>And then they're in the mood of nothing's worth it.
<v Speaker 1>That's what it feels like, is that happening over Xbox.
<v Speaker 1>Nothing is worth it except for these handful of small
<v Speaker 1>games that are small handful of games that make all
<v Speaker 1>the money. All right, let's keep going here. The Outer
<v Speaker 1>World's two price has dropped back down to seventy dollars.
<v Speaker 1>This is from sal Ramano at Kamatsu. The Outer World's
<v Speaker 1>Two will cost seventy dollars instead of the previously announced
<v Speaker 1>eighty dollars when it launches for PlayStation five, Xbox Series,
<v Speaker 1>and PC via Steam and Microsoft Store on October twenty ninth.
<v Speaker 1>Publisher Xbox Game Studios in developer Obsity Entertainment announced. They
<v Speaker 1>said We're focused on bringing players incredible worlds to explore
<v Speaker 1>and will keep our full priced holiday releases, including The
<v Speaker 1>Outer World's Two at seventy dollars, in line with current
<v Speaker 1>market conditions, and Xbox representative told Windows Centrals in regards
<v Speaker 1>to the decision.
<v Speaker 3>Whoa what do you think happened here? Ready?
<v Speaker 2>Ready, I want to tell me you're let's do it
<v Speaker 2>was never it was never coming out of eighty dollars.
<v Speaker 1>Ooh I like this one. Oh I like that.
<v Speaker 2>Oh now people coming out of eighty dollars. They not
<v Speaker 2>not only do people think they got a deal, this
<v Speaker 2>was micro way of saying, let's see how people react
<v Speaker 2>if we try to do what Nintendo did, and then
<v Speaker 2>when they were like no, they're like okay, we just
<v Speaker 2>dropped the price. Goodwill for everyone. People are gonna be
<v Speaker 2>back in.
<v Speaker 1>And they still and they still know it's coming, right,
<v Speaker 1>they still have and they know it will happen eventually.
<v Speaker 1>But now, oh my god, Jason, Now, maybe a bit
<v Speaker 1>too smart for Microsoft, maybe a bit too smart for Microsoft,
<v Speaker 1>but but I really like that at the very least,
<v Speaker 1>it'd be like that is going to be the effect.
<v Speaker 1>That's the end result. Everything you said there is what's
<v Speaker 1>going to happen, if it was intended or not. That's
<v Speaker 1>how it's gonna go down. Now people are gonna feel
<v Speaker 1>good about this. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>They put out the little fancy graphic on social media
<v Speaker 2>with the moon Man scratch it out, the seventy nine
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine sixty nine ninety nine, the one that they
<v Speaker 2>made the same fucking day they announced the seventy nine
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine price, and just waited for people to get
<v Speaker 2>pissed off that if I'm a if I'm betting man,
<v Speaker 2>that's what they did over there. They wanted to see
<v Speaker 2>what their reaction would be. They did it with this
<v Speaker 2>game because if people got outraged with this one, lord
<v Speaker 2>knows what they would do with gears or a new.
<v Speaker 3>Halo or something like that.
<v Speaker 2>And then they were like, Okay, yep, we can't do
<v Speaker 2>this yet, and then they pushed it back to sixty nine,
<v Speaker 2>nine and nine. That to me is why I think
<v Speaker 2>this happened. I don't think it was ever coming out
<v Speaker 2>of seventy nine ninety nine.
<v Speaker 3>That's my miney.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's a reminder that you know, people yell
<v Speaker 1>at these companies. It works, you know, don't yell at individuals.
<v Speaker 1>Spare the individuals as much as you can, but definitely
<v Speaker 1>be loud about these companies. They are sensitive to it.
<v Speaker 1>And Xbox still especially is sensitive to it for whatever reason.
<v Speaker 1>Even though they're like, we don't care about anything, they
<v Speaker 1>cannot detach themselves from all the social media and influencer
<v Speaker 1>connections that they have, and so they're very tapped into
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. They listened to all the podcasts and they
<v Speaker 1>know what people are saying. So when the rants come
<v Speaker 1>at them, they react. Bully these corporations. You can do it,
<v Speaker 1>and you should. Now at the same time, maybe there
<v Speaker 1>was pre order data from them that they're looking at
<v Speaker 1>and being like the pre orders are not like, are
<v Speaker 1>looking way below what we were expecting, and we think
<v Speaker 1>that's the price. So maybe like you know, voting with
<v Speaker 1>your wallet did have an effect here, but I think
<v Speaker 1>it's more about the public reaction and then also maybe
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the conspiracy theory from old Jason
<v Speaker 1>Fonelli over here. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I don't dip into that often, but as soon as
<v Speaker 2>I saw that announcement, I'm like, oh, that was that
<v Speaker 2>was never like that's how like I used to think
<v Speaker 2>that way when Rockstar would announce a release date for
<v Speaker 2>a game, like back in the Red Dead Redemption GTA
<v Speaker 2>four sort of days. They were announced one release date
<v Speaker 2>with no intention of ever releasing that, and they were like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>we have to delay it. Sorry everyone, but this we
<v Speaker 2>can put this game on sale, or we can add this.
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, This get more pre orders.
<v Speaker 2>I also did five years in the video game retail
<v Speaker 2>trenches in a particular place where you would stop to
<v Speaker 2>get games, and I'll leave it at that. But so
<v Speaker 2>I saw this like, I saw some weird backhanded stuff
<v Speaker 2>in action. So it would not surprise me at all
<v Speaker 2>if they never intended on releasing this at eighty dollars
<v Speaker 2>and instead just wanted to gauge fan reaction, and when
<v Speaker 2>they got the blowback they did, we're just like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>we'll put it where it was going to be anyway
<v Speaker 2>and not tell them that's just yep, that's me.
<v Speaker 1>So this this quote here says and we will keep
<v Speaker 1>our full price holiday releases, including the Outer World too,
<v Speaker 1>at seventy dollars? Are they saying Call of Duty is
<v Speaker 1>going to be seventy dollars? That's what I'm reading.
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying here all of their holiday releases
<v Speaker 2>at sixty nine or keep our full priace holiday releases.
<v Speaker 2>Last time I checked Call of Duty's coming out this holiday,
<v Speaker 2>So yes, that would say that the base level Call
<v Speaker 2>of Duty game is going to be sixty nine to
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. And if it's not now now, Oh, it
<v Speaker 2>says full price holiday release. I thought maybe they would
<v Speaker 2>say Xbox Game Studios is sixty to ninety nine. But
<v Speaker 2>this is Activision. It's a different brand, different to the
<v Speaker 2>CIDI area. But no, it says all of our It
<v Speaker 2>says our full price holiday releases. That to me says yeah,
<v Speaker 2>seventy bucks.
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And this was a comment to Windows Central. So
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's more information out there that I'm missing, But
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about this. I'll see. Except that feels like
<v Speaker 1>one where it's like, oh, Outer Worlds too. Yeah, we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna put that back down to seventy, but Call of
<v Speaker 1>Duty can get away with eighty. But I think, honestly,
<v Speaker 1>if Call Duty is seventy, I'm more on board with,
<v Speaker 1>like even more on board because I'm already on board,
<v Speaker 1>I'm even more on board with what you said in
<v Speaker 1>terms of this being like an overall strategy that they
<v Speaker 1>were thinking about and always had this trapdoor built in
<v Speaker 1>of let's get the reaction, let's get the data, let's
<v Speaker 1>get some pre order numbers, and then let's pull it
<v Speaker 1>back so now people are still where it's gonna be eighty,
<v Speaker 1>and we can get the goodwill for this holiday. It's
<v Speaker 1>kind of too perfect. I think you're on a symptom.
<v Speaker 1>Borderlands four runs at thirty frames per second on switch To.
<v Speaker 1>This is from Jonas Mackie at Game Reactor. Recently, Gearbox
<v Speaker 1>and two K finally revealed that Borderlands four will be
<v Speaker 1>coming to switch To only three weeks after other formats,
<v Speaker 1>and so that's coming to October third. Now we have
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more information to share thanks to Gearbox
<v Speaker 1>founder Randy Pitchford. He writes on social media that no
<v Speaker 1>content will be missing from the Switch two of it
<v Speaker 1>switched to edition, which means it won't have any problems
<v Speaker 1>with cross play with other versions, and says that the
<v Speaker 1>game will run at thirty frames per second with a
<v Speaker 1>few exceptions. Yeah. I think this is in line with
<v Speaker 1>what we've been hearing early on about the switch To
<v Speaker 1>that anything that can run on an Xbox Series s
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, for the like, you know, the
<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of those games they can run on
<v Speaker 1>switch Too. They might just have to be thirty frames
<v Speaker 1>per second. I think Borderlands four is going to be
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good example of that. That's not going to
<v Speaker 1>be the most demanding game, but it's not not a
<v Speaker 1>demanding game, So I think that another good sign that
<v Speaker 1>the switch To can run these games. Of course, I
<v Speaker 1>wish this was at sixty frames per second, but that's
<v Speaker 1>not what I was expecting for games that are getting
<v Speaker 1>ported from other current gen consoles. So good sign. How
<v Speaker 1>do you take this and is there a chance you
<v Speaker 1>ever play at Borderlands four on a switch To.
<v Speaker 2>I'm right now open to playing anything on switch to
<v Speaker 2>just to see how it runs. Like WWE two K
<v Speaker 2>twenty five I think launched today on switch To, So
<v Speaker 2>I want to see how that runs. Just in can
<v Speaker 2>Harrison to the main console once. I'll give anything a shot.
<v Speaker 2>But this doesn't surprise me, especially specifically call out like
<v Speaker 2>intense heavy combat movements where if you're hosting a game
<v Speaker 2>in handheld mode it's gonna dip. Yeah, handheld mode is
<v Speaker 2>not as powerful as when it's docked. This all makes
<v Speaker 2>sense to me, especially now in the beginning of Switch
<v Speaker 2>two's life cycle, where people just want to get on
<v Speaker 2>the console, and I feel like Switch two owners would
<v Speaker 2>have some sort of understanding at least I hope that
<v Speaker 2>anything that's coming out in the first year from a
<v Speaker 2>third party especially is not going to be one to
<v Speaker 2>one with the PlayStation five or PC or Xbox versions.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not they knew that going in. I think
<v Speaker 2>I think Switch two owners would be now if it
<v Speaker 2>runs like five frames per second when you're walking down
<v Speaker 2>a cliff and it's total dog shit, then people start
<v Speaker 2>getting angry. But this here, if this checks out, I
<v Speaker 2>don't think. I don't think Switch two owners will be
<v Speaker 2>mad about that. I think they'll they'll understand it, and
<v Speaker 2>they'll accept it, and they'll just be happy to be
<v Speaker 2>playing Borderlands on a Switch right Because if you're a
<v Speaker 2>switch only player, you don't get I don't. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>did they get the handsome collection? I think maybe they did.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure.
<v Speaker 3>But this is cool. I think the more the more.
<v Speaker 2>The big thing about this Borderlands for announcement from from
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days ago was why was Randy Pitchford
<v Speaker 2>on the Duke Nukem Forever thrown?
<v Speaker 3>What the hell are you doing that for?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He just does things.
<v Speaker 2>He just does things, just does things. But yeah, I'm
<v Speaker 2>I think this is fine. I think this is I
<v Speaker 2>think people are going to be, uh be fine with
<v Speaker 2>this and not have a problem with it. I do
<v Speaker 2>see though, further down that it's going to be on
<v Speaker 2>one of those game key cards that people are Oh,
<v Speaker 2>I'm really worried about it.
<v Speaker 1>The game's probably more than sixty four gigabytes, So even
<v Speaker 1>if it could even if they were willing to eat
<v Speaker 1>that cost, I don't think there's a game card that
<v Speaker 1>it could fit out that it you know, physically could
<v Speaker 1>fit on, even if if it's less than sixty four gigabytes,
<v Speaker 1>Or they could have put some amount of the game
<v Speaker 1>on there and then had you download the rest. I
<v Speaker 1>suppose they could do that. But at a certain point,
<v Speaker 1>if you're downloading a huge chunk I think a game
<v Speaker 1>like that, they're just going to do the game download
<v Speaker 1>thing and that's going to meet a game key card.
<v Speaker 3>Real quick, mister Grubb, you're you have you seemed to
<v Speaker 3>have frozen?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I just Jane, that's I'm am. I frozen for
<v Speaker 1>you in Discord as well, Jason.
<v Speaker 2>In Discord on this on this chat of the stream
<v Speaker 2>that I have on the background my show. Now it's
<v Speaker 2>just me. Welcome to Jason Mess Mornings with Really it's
<v Speaker 2>finally mine. Uh uh Now, I'm only kidding. He'll be
<v Speaker 2>back shortly. He's just doing his little thing and I'm
<v Speaker 2>vamping because clearly I was not ready for this here
<v Speaker 2>he is, all right, he's coming back. It's his show again.
<v Speaker 2>I hope it's Jay j Mess Mornings. Thank you.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that.
<v Speaker 2>I still having some some camera interests here, But get
<v Speaker 2>back to get back to Borderlands for and Randy Pitchford
<v Speaker 2>on that chair. That chair should have been thrown away
<v Speaker 2>years ago. Why is this man sitting on the duke
<v Speaker 2>Nukem forever thrown very very very yay.
<v Speaker 1>It broke a lot for me. I had to update
<v Speaker 1>discord to get at the work against there go.
<v Speaker 3>Oh oh jeezus.
<v Speaker 2>But real quick, before we go back to the next one,
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned Duke Duke and Forever. There was a tweet
<v Speaker 2>or a big blue sky post yesterday that Yesterday, July
<v Speaker 2>twenty second, was the same amount of days between the
<v Speaker 2>launch of Duke Nukem Forever and yesterday that it was
<v Speaker 2>from Duke Nukem Forever's original announcement to its release. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>it was like five thousand something days between. Yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>was just a weird I gotta I'll find the post
<v Speaker 2>for you.
<v Speaker 1>It's also weird to think that we've been living with
<v Speaker 1>Duke Nukem Forever for five thousand days.
<v Speaker 2>Man, Yeah, a lot of people just kind of forgot
<v Speaker 2>you here. It is so July second, twenty twenty five,
<v Speaker 2>Duke Kuga Forever was released for exactly as long as
<v Speaker 2>it took from release to its announcement, and it was
<v Speaker 2>the exact amount of days was five thousand, one hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty eight.
<v Speaker 3>Five fifty eight days was yesterday.
<v Speaker 1>So man.
<v Speaker 2>A shout out to wild Weasel for eighty six dot
<v Speaker 2>bsky dot Social Weasel of the Inept nine iron for
<v Speaker 2>figuring that out for just like.
<v Speaker 1>Having that information ready to go for us. They put
<v Speaker 1>they definitely just looked that up a long time ago
<v Speaker 1>and then like put a reminder in their phone, will
<v Speaker 1>remind me on the side. Absolutely, Yeah, that's the way
<v Speaker 1>to do it. Uh. Super Mario Party Jamburee TV sounds
<v Speaker 1>like a half baked switch to upgrade. This is from
<v Speaker 1>Ethan Gotchek Kotaku. Super Mario Party Jamboree Nintendo Switch to
<v Speaker 1>Edition plus Jamboree TV. It's just an incredible name. Is
<v Speaker 1>a hideous title for Nintendo, for a for a video game,
<v Speaker 1>and possibly even a little misleading. According to early reviews,
<v Speaker 1>the base game remains essentially unchanged and doesn't take advantage
<v Speaker 1>of the new hardware's extra power, while the twenty dollars
<v Speaker 1>Ja Jamburee TV add on is essentially a siloed DLC.
<v Speaker 1>It's minigames may be a great tech demo for the
<v Speaker 1>switch to camera, but they sound like a mixed bag
<v Speaker 1>for Mario Party fans. Well, we're gonna find out for
<v Speaker 1>ourselves on Friday, everybody. We're playing this for upf But
<v Speaker 1>let's see here at Inverse Trone Dowd said, all in all,
<v Speaker 1>the switch to upgrade for Mario Party Mario Party Jamboree
<v Speaker 1>isn't the value add that it was for both the
<v Speaker 1>open world Zelda games. The majority of the new mini
<v Speaker 1>games are fun, and the novelty of a first party
<v Speaker 1>release that uses all of the consoles, bell and whistles
<v Speaker 1>will provide you with some fleeting entertainment. But spending an
<v Speaker 1>additional twenty dollars for a few tricks and a half
<v Speaker 1>baked mode and half baked modes doesn't make this party
<v Speaker 1>any better than it was the first time around. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I think that's gonna be the big thing here, is
<v Speaker 1>like twenty dollars for this new stuff, and the new
<v Speaker 1>stuff doesn't augment the original game all that much. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be tough to swallow because if at a
<v Speaker 1>certain point some of stuff's probably gonna feel like it
<v Speaker 1>should have just been a free update. But I'm I'm
<v Speaker 1>still interested. I'll tell you what, one thing I really
<v Speaker 1>want to experience, Jason is playing Mario Party. Something bad
<v Speaker 1>happens to someone and seeing their face grimace in one
<v Speaker 1>of those cameras above their character's head. That that's gonna
<v Speaker 1>be good stuff. I just want to see people feel
<v Speaker 1>the pain of Mario Party represented on the screen for
<v Speaker 1>everyone to see.
<v Speaker 2>Jeff, before I get started, look directly at the camera
<v Speaker 2>for me. Yeah, blink twice if the mounted gun that
<v Speaker 2>Dan has pointed at you to contractually say that is
<v Speaker 2>currently aimed at you.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're talking about. Man, that's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, none of this surprises me. None
<v Speaker 2>of this surprises me at all. It's just it sounded
<v Speaker 2>like a half baked addition to the game to get
<v Speaker 2>it on switch to when they announced it. I'm not,
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. This is exactly what I think even the
<v Speaker 2>most diehard of fans expected. So they're not going in
<v Speaker 2>with any extra you know, expectations. Are not reading these
<v Speaker 2>and being like, oh shocks, I'm going to get cheated. No,
<v Speaker 2>they wanted more Mario Party, they want to see the
<v Speaker 2>switch to upgrade it.
<v Speaker 3>Just whatever. I'm not surprised. I'm not. I'm not terribly
<v Speaker 3>shocked by this. Am I going to try it?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 3>But I am excited to watch you guys do yourselves.
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be fun on Friday upf And yeah, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I hope you win.
<v Speaker 3>I'm rooting for you.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh. Well, even if I win, I will
<v Speaker 1>have lusks. I played a lot of Mario Party with
<v Speaker 1>band and Mike. The last time I played, they were
<v Speaker 1>definitely like we're having fun and it was really annoying.
<v Speaker 1>It was very It was very annoying to hear them
<v Speaker 1>being like, ah, this is great, right, And even when
<v Speaker 1>it was bad, Mike would be like, why can't entertain myself?
<v Speaker 1>And that was his defense of Mario Party. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>that's not Mario Party's not doing that. Why are you
<v Speaker 1>giving it credit that you can entertain yourself? Ah, it's
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a nightmare. I'm looking forward.
<v Speaker 2>Lego Party is gonna eat It's lunch. You heard it
<v Speaker 2>here first. I can't wait.
<v Speaker 1>All right, I got a question for you about a
<v Speaker 1>game called two x KO. Let's going on with that.
<v Speaker 1>Let's do the story first. We'll get a closed beta
<v Speaker 1>this September. Bring it in v as a Fighter. This
<v Speaker 1>is from Alex Hopya Game Reactor, but that's basically the stuff.
<v Speaker 1>In the ninth of September, it'll get a closed beta.
<v Speaker 1>Is there more going on with two x KO? I
<v Speaker 1>get the sense, and I don't really know that. The
<v Speaker 1>community has some questions about, hey, was this game gonna
<v Speaker 1>be all right? I don't know, maybe I'm misreading something.
<v Speaker 2>It's just a lack of a lack of updates. Really,
<v Speaker 2>we're getting like drip drip feed piecemeal updates for this game.
<v Speaker 2>And I will tell you from the last update we got,
<v Speaker 2>this game has to show out at EVO. It has
<v Speaker 2>to show out in this closed beta because now as
<v Speaker 2>far as team based fighters go, Marvel Tocon is nipping
<v Speaker 2>it its heels and it will be on the same
<v Speaker 2>show floor at EVO, as was also announced yesterday, as
<v Speaker 2>this riot had to be feeling pretty good. First ever
<v Speaker 2>fighting game has a lot of well known FGC names
<v Speaker 2>behind it, the Cannon Brothers and stuff like that, and
<v Speaker 2>then to see Marvel to Con, they'd be like, oh shit,
<v Speaker 2>now what are we gonna do? So close beta is cool. Also,
<v Speaker 2>they've announced that if you're in the if you were
<v Speaker 2>in the alpha labs, you're already in the closed beta.
<v Speaker 2>The servers will stay on until the one point zero launch.
<v Speaker 2>No multi versus bullshit here, which is also good. And
<v Speaker 2>if they can continue to get feedback and add more
<v Speaker 2>characters and do more stuff and have it come out
<v Speaker 2>and launch, you know successfully. Whenever that is, maybe we
<v Speaker 2>have a new, good fighting game on our hands, but
<v Speaker 2>the waters have gotten much muddier since the last time
<v Speaker 2>we heard about this game. Not just Marvelte Condivincible Versus
<v Speaker 2>is another one three on three fighter. This and the
<v Speaker 2>fact they only have eight champions so far in this
<v Speaker 2>game or in this beta, when they have what one
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty champions in League of Legends as a
<v Speaker 2>whole something like that.
<v Speaker 3>You have this.
<v Speaker 2>Massive pool of characters that you could be pulling from,
<v Speaker 2>and so far we have eight, and three of them
<v Speaker 2>are from the highly success Netflix series Echo of v
<v Speaker 2>or V.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's Vi and Jinx.
<v Speaker 2>I there is work to be done. It's not saying
<v Speaker 2>it can't be done. But they also are banking on
<v Speaker 2>a fan base that is not used to fighting games
<v Speaker 2>in the mobia community coming over and supporting it because
<v Speaker 2>it's League of Legends, and that's not necessarily a short thing,
<v Speaker 2>right Riot Forge will speak to that. So I'm rooting
<v Speaker 2>for I'm rooting for all the fighting games. I want
<v Speaker 2>all the fighting games to be great. I want all
<v Speaker 2>everyone to play every fighting game that they have time for.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Rising Tide, right or you know, Rising
<v Speaker 2>Tide lifts all boats, whatever that is. But as far
<v Speaker 2>as Riot is concerned, they had a two year head start,
<v Speaker 2>and now it feels like they had no head start
<v Speaker 2>at all because Invincible has the Killer Instinct pedigree underneath it,
<v Speaker 2>and Marvel Tokn is just Marvel tag based fighter, even
<v Speaker 2>if it's a different company taking it for the first
<v Speaker 2>time with a four v four format which has never
<v Speaker 2>been seen before. It's like, I don't know, man, it's
<v Speaker 2>the fighting game scene outside of the top layer. So
<v Speaker 2>your street Fighters, your Tecans is about to get real interesting,
<v Speaker 2>and it starts with these three. I hope it all
<v Speaker 2>pans out. Like I said, for all of them, I
<v Speaker 2>will be playing this closed beta because I wasn't al
<v Speaker 2>Fa Lab two.
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>For Riot at least, I think they drip fed too much.
<v Speaker 2>I think they took too long, and now there are
<v Speaker 2>two more viable contenders nipping at its heels for different reasons,
<v Speaker 2>and they have to get back.
<v Speaker 3>In front of it.
<v Speaker 2>And the only way they're going to do that is
<v Speaker 2>do that is with cool character designs and cool two
<v Speaker 2>v two tag for match, which they had at last
<v Speaker 2>year's Evo. I did like the demo at last year's EVO,
<v Speaker 2>but there's more work to be done and we'll see what's.
<v Speaker 3>Changed in the year.
<v Speaker 1>I uh yeah, I just the story around this game
<v Speaker 1>has changed so much where when people were so hot
<v Speaker 1>on it. But you're right, I think it's just burned out.
<v Speaker 1>It's it's timing advantage, and now it's got a Now
<v Speaker 1>it feels like it's playing catch up. And none of
<v Speaker 1>these games are even out yet, so that's probably a
<v Speaker 1>pretty shady position to be in, but it's right. I'll
<v Speaker 1>be all right Woodchuck Wong Wuchang, I'm gonna say Wu
<v Speaker 1>Chang Fallen Feathers reviews are out set a seventy seven
<v Speaker 1>on Open Critic, which you know is pretty good for
<v Speaker 1>one of these, although it's pretty mixed on the reviews.
<v Speaker 1>For example, Adrian Burrows at the Sixth Axis gave it
<v Speaker 1>a four out of ten and said, despite a fascinating premise,
<v Speaker 1>one inspired by both Chinese folklore and real life history,
<v Speaker 1>Wuchong Fallen Feathers resolutely fails to deliver on any of
<v Speaker 1>its initial early promise. This is a soul's like by
<v Speaker 1>the numbers, one hampered by a cornucopia of ps five
<v Speaker 1>performance issues that plagued the game like a disease like
<v Speaker 1>Christian M. Villa at Aria Hugunes gave it a nine
<v Speaker 1>out of ten and said Uchung Fallen Feathers is an
<v Speaker 1>innovative Souls like with deep combat and dynamic systems that
<v Speaker 1>add a lot of depth to the overall experience. The
<v Speaker 1>madness gauge and the inner Demon manifestation is quite a
<v Speaker 1>ground bake breaking way to transform death into a powerful
<v Speaker 1>gameplay mechanic. If you are looking for a new Soul's
<v Speaker 1>like with fun, fast paced combat, the Muchong Fallen Feathers
<v Speaker 1>will definitely check all of your boxes. To me, this
<v Speaker 1>sounds like how Soulsborn's review right where people are very
<v Speaker 1>hard on them because they have a certain extremely high
<v Speaker 1>level of expectations. They're they're not going to be patient
<v Speaker 1>for things that don't meet those expectations, and maybe rightfully so.
<v Speaker 1>And then some people are like, actually, no, this one
<v Speaker 1>got me and I'm totally on what it's trying to do,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm on board. We're going to go for it.
<v Speaker 1>And that's just how these souls like Quoones tend to go.
<v Speaker 1>And so getting out of seventy seven pretty good.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean having played it at a summer games Fest,
<v Speaker 2>and the only thing I could say about that demo
<v Speaker 2>was man, that it beat my ass. I was seeing
<v Speaker 2>a lot about difficulty spikes and how that kind of
<v Speaker 2>hampered the overall experience, and I would, yeah, I agree
<v Speaker 2>with that one hundred percent based on my limited demo.
<v Speaker 2>But I am also with you that if it's not
<v Speaker 2>a actual from Software Souls, like it's always it always
<v Speaker 2>seems to be mixed. There are people who like the innovations,
<v Speaker 2>and there are people who just our board that it's
<v Speaker 2>not a Soul's game, it's not authentic, for lack of
<v Speaker 2>a better term, from Software Souls game. I'm not surprised
<v Speaker 2>by this at all. This is exactly if I were
<v Speaker 2>to be a betting man, I would have said, like
<v Speaker 2>a seventy five on Open Critic, did.
<v Speaker 3>You did you review this? Did you did you? Guys?
<v Speaker 3>You and Mike do this one on your little competition?
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember that. Like, so, we had a guessing
<v Speaker 1>game where we try to guess what the Open Critics
<v Speaker 1>scores are going to be for games.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we did, but I have no idea
<v Speaker 2>to go back in the track because yeah, I would have
<v Speaker 2>gone seventy five seventy six, so seventy seven is actually
<v Speaker 2>it's not bad. It's not bad, and I think when
<v Speaker 2>all said and done, that's what this is going to
<v Speaker 2>be and not bad souls like, because that's what most
<v Speaker 2>of them are. The soul's formula as beaten, as much
<v Speaker 2>of a beaten path as it is, it's that way
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. It's very engaging, it's very challenging. It's
<v Speaker 2>very viscerally fun, but in specific execution with potentially PS
<v Speaker 2>five performance issues and the difficulty spikes I was hearing
<v Speaker 2>elsewhere that might be what brings it down a little
<v Speaker 2>bit further.
<v Speaker 1>And that lies the p DLC. Right, is it just
<v Speaker 1>came out recently and that's really highly regarded souls like,
<v Speaker 1>so you can go play that instead. Like, Yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>just a challenging space to be in, but I think
<v Speaker 1>it's also a little bit of a lottery ticket. If
<v Speaker 1>yours hits and you're one of the really good ones
<v Speaker 1>Lives of Pe broke out, So I guess it's not
<v Speaker 1>a lottery ticket. You just made a good one, all right.
<v Speaker 1>Terminator two D no fate is delay October thirty. First.
<v Speaker 1>It was originally supposed to come out in September, September fifth,
<v Speaker 1>they pushed. They pushed it about a month and a half.
<v Speaker 1>This is that two D Super Nintendo Arcade looking Terminator
<v Speaker 1>to adaptation that just looks really awesome. I didn't realize
<v Speaker 1>how nostalgic guy would be for that idea of a
<v Speaker 1>movie video game adaptation. Just make it look like it
<v Speaker 1>was for the Arcade and then Super Nintendo. And yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm really looking forward to this, so I'll wait a
<v Speaker 1>little bit longer. I'm glad it's not like a delay
<v Speaker 1>till next year. But I hope this just means they're
<v Speaker 1>polishing up and getting it really good, because I think
<v Speaker 1>this game hits. It could be like one of those
<v Speaker 1>surprisingly big games on something like a switch to right
<v Speaker 1>if that comes up to switch to which I don't
<v Speaker 1>know if it's due due to come out to switch Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>switch one, So yeah, that'll that'll work where it's like,
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I'd love to have like a little indie
<v Speaker 1>game or something that feels smaller. Uh, And then turns
<v Speaker 1>out it's you know, based on Terminator or two, and
<v Speaker 1>it's really well done.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm hopeful based on what we were saying earlier,
<v Speaker 2>this is a licensed game that's a little bit less budget,
<v Speaker 2>and if it comes out.
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, imagine if they like were doing this kind of
<v Speaker 1>stuff with Star Wars instead of the biggest games.
<v Speaker 3>Ever and it's like another super Star Wars style game.
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, exactly, man, that'd be cool. And honestly,
<v Speaker 1>even if they did like the prequels because they have
<v Speaker 1>the freckles, never got games like that, so it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I do Super Super Phantom Menace. Yeah, that would be
<v Speaker 1>neat to see'd cool. All right, let's get to the
<v Speaker 1>poll question. We have that over here. Make sure I
<v Speaker 1>have the most up to date results for you all
<v Speaker 1>from giant Bomb on YouTube. All right, so this is
<v Speaker 1>from earlier this week. Did you buy movies or TV
<v Speaker 1>shows through your Xbox? Yes or no? Eighty four percent
<v Speaker 1>said no, sixteen percent said yes. That was a bigger
<v Speaker 1>number than I was even expecting. But I guess over
<v Speaker 1>the in the grand scale of time, all like, since
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of them selling movies and TV I guess
<v Speaker 1>people are like I did once and maybe said yes
<v Speaker 1>because I did once. Yeah, then I responded no, So
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I did that. Yeah, they're getting
<v Speaker 1>rid of that. It was a weird thing. But boy,
<v Speaker 1>that's just not what video Like console video games are
<v Speaker 1>just not that thing anymore. But when when like Netflix
<v Speaker 1>first went online and started streaming, I think the number
<v Speaker 1>one device for a very long time for that was
<v Speaker 1>the Wei Jason. So it's like, yeah, and then I
<v Speaker 1>think people the company people running those companies are like,
<v Speaker 1>what we got again in on that business and that
<v Speaker 1>so well that's already dominated by Netflix. What are you
<v Speaker 1>thinking here? So it was just a weird thing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I tend to forget it existed. Like I I
<v Speaker 2>would go to the Xbox Store to redeem a code
<v Speaker 2>and be like, oh, yeah, you can do that. Wow,
<v Speaker 2>I just go on with my day. I never I
<v Speaker 2>never thought of the Xbox as a media console. They
<v Speaker 2>wanted me, I don't know, well not for me.
<v Speaker 1>Even when they wouldn't refer to it as anything other
<v Speaker 1>than Xbox one, the all in one entertainment platform. Right.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>Remember at the bottom of the press release and that
<v Speaker 2>line I'd always annoyed the ship.
<v Speaker 1>Out of me. It's companies. Companies are pretty dumb. I
<v Speaker 1>I the idea that they think that that works. Remember
<v Speaker 1>Jenny with her her YouTube videos about like Disney and
<v Speaker 1>stuff where she talks about some of the other creators
<v Speaker 1>and how they have to call it star Wars what like,
<v Speaker 1>what is the star wars Land actually called whatever whatever?
<v Speaker 3>The Galaxy's Edge.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like they're like, oh, if you're doing a
<v Speaker 1>review of that Disney's and the Disney pays for you
<v Speaker 1>to come out there or whatever and invites you out there, like,
<v Speaker 1>please refer to a Star Wars Elexi's Edge every time
<v Speaker 1>you refer to it. And it's like, well, that's not
<v Speaker 1>how normal people talk. They call it star wars Land.
<v Speaker 2>You know what a big one is Lord of the
<v Speaker 2>Rings insists that you call it the Lord of the Rings.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's law.
<v Speaker 2>Causes a lot of grammatical issues that they just don't seem.
<v Speaker 1>To care about the Lord of the Rings game. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's so why do what copies insist on people talking
<v Speaker 1>this way about their stuff when it's like you if
<v Speaker 1>you just say, I know, it's cool to say Star
<v Speaker 1>wars Land, it's cool to just say Lord of the Rings,
<v Speaker 1>and it would be it makes stuff just look a
<v Speaker 1>lot more casual and make you seem more human. Which
<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe they don't care about. We got a
<v Speaker 1>new pole question. We'll get to it here in a second,
<v Speaker 1>But first, Jason Fonell, why don't you tell people where
<v Speaker 1>they can find you on the internet what you have
<v Speaker 1>going on? All that good.
<v Speaker 2>Stuff big Man Finelli on most social media Blue Sky,
<v Speaker 2>I did get the Jasonfinelli dot com handles. That's where
<v Speaker 2>you can find me. There a couple of reviews coming
<v Speaker 2>up soon. I am still reviewing Bonanza that'll go on
<v Speaker 2>live on MMLPG dot com, as well as Shadow Labyrinth.
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to review that there as well.
<v Speaker 2>Have a op ed coming out soon on game Spot
<v Speaker 2>about Magic Gathering and how all the goodwill that they're
<v Speaker 2>trying to get from new players by introducing IP like
<v Speaker 2>Final Fantasy and Sonic is completely ruined by the fact
<v Speaker 2>that it's all too goddamn expensive.
<v Speaker 3>That's basically the gist of it.
<v Speaker 2>So we'll have that up hopefully by the end of
<v Speaker 2>the week, because the pre release starts for the new
<v Speaker 2>set on Friday. Speaking of, I may stream tonight because
<v Speaker 2>there is a streamer event for that new set on
<v Speaker 2>Magic Gathering Arena. It's a twenty four hour thing where
<v Speaker 2>people got at early access to do drafts and stuff
<v Speaker 2>like that. So if I have time tonight and I'm
<v Speaker 2>not too tired, I may hop on my Twitch stream
<v Speaker 2>sixty four and check out some Edge of eternities there
<v Speaker 2>For the good people who want to check that out,
<v Speaker 2>I will post that on all social media's if you
<v Speaker 2>want to come hang out see what it's. What the
<v Speaker 2>draft's like. But yeah, that's what I'm doing, hanging out
<v Speaker 2>doing the thing and really.
<v Speaker 3>Want to go to EVO.
<v Speaker 2>I keep saying I went last year and need it.
<v Speaker 1>Send Finealite to Evo. Someone do it?
<v Speaker 3>Some would do it?
<v Speaker 1>Please? New Pole question? Have you ever played Forts the
<v Speaker 1>Horizon five? The options are on PC, slash Xbox on
<v Speaker 1>PS five or I have not. We'll get the results
<v Speaker 1>of that, talk about it on Games Mornings here on
<v Speaker 1>Giant Bomb tomorrow. Looking forward to that. Speaking a Giant Bomb,
<v Speaker 1>we got some fun stuff happening. Let's see here the schedule.
<v Speaker 1>We yes, it's gonna be Blake Club. I might stream
<v Speaker 1>something before that. I did put a pull up and
<v Speaker 1>if I do it a probably be Sky's Arcadia, but
<v Speaker 1>maybe don We're gonna see, Yeah, it's gonna be that.
<v Speaker 1>I'll definitely do Sky's Arcadia tomorrow though after GMM and
<v Speaker 1>before voicemail Dump Truck. I think that's what won the poll. Actually,
<v Speaker 1>it was an option between that Crono trigger or pants
<v Speaker 1>are Dragon Saga. Pants are Dragon Saga was pretty close,
<v Speaker 1>but I think people are going to go with Skies.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, whatever actually ends up winning that pole, I
<v Speaker 1>will play that for sure on the site tomorrow. All right.
<v Speaker 1>Beyond that, you know, we'll have some you know, there's
<v Speaker 1>a quick look for Donkey Kong up and then later
<v Speaker 1>this evening five pm Eastern, it says here on my
<v Speaker 1>schedule the Rocket League Divitational, the thirty fourth annual Rocket
<v Speaker 1>League Devitational, where we will be taking on Jeff back
<v Speaker 1>of Our's Child in one v one battles in Rocket League,
<v Speaker 1>and he's going to take us on one at a
<v Speaker 1>time because apparently he's been playing NonStop, I think his
<v Speaker 1>entire life essentially at this point. So he's really good,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm terrified he's just gonna destroy us. He's
<v Speaker 1>gonna it's gonna be really embarrassing. I'm looking forward to it.
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get wrecked. I'm not looking forward to your
<v Speaker 2>chances are Pelle.
<v Speaker 1>Just gonna be a smudge on the ground by the
<v Speaker 1>time he's done with us. Yeah, and black Club does
<v Speaker 1>happen at two pm everybody, so look out for that,
<v Speaker 1>all right. I think that's gonna do it for what
<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about, so this one, Jason, thank
<v Speaker 1>you so much for hanging out with me today and
<v Speaker 1>talking about video games. Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure. Thanks for reaching out. Always here if
<v Speaker 2>you need me, Pal.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, dude. Thank you everybody for watching. Thank
<v Speaker 1>you everybody for listening. You are the best audience in gaming.
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back soon with more. Until then, have a
<v Speaker 1>good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.
<v Speaker 3>Good night, Canada.