The Breakfast Club (1985) vs. St. Elmo's Fire (1985): Part 1

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<v Speaker 2>So, guys. That obviously was a take on the last
<v Speaker 2>lines from the movie The Breakfast Club. The other most
<v Speaker 2>memorable line. Well, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about
<v Speaker 2>two movies today, one with the line when you grow
<v Speaker 2>up your heart dies and the other that proves that
<v Speaker 2>to be true.
<v Speaker 1>I am so ready to defend sant Alma's fire. It's
<v Speaker 1>not even funny.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.
<v Speaker 1>See, I can't wait to get into it.
<v Speaker 2>So, as you know, there are movies in our history
<v Speaker 2>as podcasters, there have been movies that I had to
<v Speaker 2>go back and see that I did not see at
<v Speaker 2>the time. Most memorable at this moment, is when we
<v Speaker 2>covered at the beginning of the season Rambo. I watched
<v Speaker 2>First Blood and Rambo for the first time in twenty
<v Speaker 2>twenty five, and like some of the others that I
<v Speaker 2>had watched the I thought I needed to be twelve
<v Speaker 2>or thirteen years old when I saw this watching it
<v Speaker 2>for the first time as a forty nine year old guy.
<v Speaker 2>That's not my bag of tea. And I can confirm
<v Speaker 2>that trend with Saint Almo's Fire. I don't want to
<v Speaker 2>try to hide it. I just Grumpy D.
<v Speaker 1>Jeff, as Jeff Johnson says, Grumpy D is the best
<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting on a movie that you watch at fifty
<v Speaker 1>and go, ah, man, that was awesome. I can't believe
<v Speaker 1>I missed that.
<v Speaker 2>So honestly, Peewee's Biggot Adventure I liked it. I like
<v Speaker 2>Pee Wee's Big Adventure Commando. I thought it was hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>I love coming Okay, Okay, so.
<v Speaker 2>They're not all like that, but there there is a
<v Speaker 2>significant portion, especially if you're trying to be kind of serious,
<v Speaker 2>that I'm just like, all.
<v Speaker 1>Right, we'll get into it later, but I am my
<v Speaker 1>sword is prepared on sant almost fire and for.
<v Speaker 2>You to fall on, Just hold your Horse, Just get ready.
<v Speaker 1>But but in fairness to Saint almost Fire, we are
<v Speaker 1>talking about it probably an unfair matchup in that The
<v Speaker 1>Breakfast Club might be the greatest teen movie of all time.
<v Speaker 2>So I would say if there was a movie that
<v Speaker 2>defined Generation X, this would be hold the number one spot. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this movie defined what it was like to be in
<v Speaker 2>high school in the eighties, and Monumental perfectly put together.
<v Speaker 2>Couldn't have done it better.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we'll get into the greatness of it. But
<v Speaker 1>it was really put together, super skillfully with talented directors,
<v Speaker 1>actors and storytelling. I mean, everything came together for that movie.
<v Speaker 2>It really did.
<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting. You have five people in a room
<v Speaker 1>doing nothing.
<v Speaker 2>It's the lowest budget kind of scenario that you can
<v Speaker 2>think of. Although I will say this, I was reading,
<v Speaker 2>you know, studying up on John Hughes and he's got
<v Speaker 2>a multitude of scripts that were never produced. Oh my gosh,
<v Speaker 2>I just think about the treasure trove that's out there
<v Speaker 2>and so and then I think about Curly Sue. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I mean you just never know. But one of one
<v Speaker 2>of the films or one of the scripts that he
<v Speaker 2>wrote that people who have read it, and I think
<v Speaker 2>even he regarded as his best work was never made.
<v Speaker 2>It's a movie called Oil and Vinegar. It's a lost script,
<v Speaker 2>like nobody has it that's willing to produce it so far.
<v Speaker 2>Was given to Matthew Broderick, was given to Molly Ringwald.
<v Speaker 2>It's called Oil and Vinegar. And it's about this guy
<v Speaker 2>who's driving cross country to go to his wedding and
<v Speaker 2>he picks up a hitchhiking girl.
<v Speaker 1>She's in right of a search of a well wedding.
<v Speaker 2>And it's really the interchange between those two people. Kind
<v Speaker 2>of a coming of age type of thing as well,
<v Speaker 2>very much like the Breakfast Club, but instead of being
<v Speaker 2>five people, it's two people and going through this kind
<v Speaker 2>of weird transition in life, and then you know, ultimately
<v Speaker 2>they're they're stuck there at a hotel at some point
<v Speaker 2>and have to navigate through that as engaged human being
<v Speaker 2>and a pretty young girl. But yeah, that was that
<v Speaker 2>would have been even smaller budget, even closer set type
<v Speaker 2>of thing that I would just I would have loved
<v Speaker 2>to have seen it. I mean, for him to regard
<v Speaker 2>it so highly, for the people who did get to
<v Speaker 2>see it to talk about it in such high regard.
<v Speaker 2>It's just a shame that that thing's gone.
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you bring that up, because there's another script.
<v Speaker 1>It's not hidden, but it was never made, and it's
<v Speaker 1>called young Men with Unlimited Capital. Have you come across that?
<v Speaker 3>No?
<v Speaker 1>Okay? That was supposed to star Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>right after sant Elmo's Fire, right, But because of this
<v Speaker 1>article that was written in New York magazine, brat Packers
<v Speaker 1>could no longer work with brat Packers. They were kind
<v Speaker 1>of hirable for a moment. It was a big impact
<v Speaker 1>on their care. But that movie was going to be
<v Speaker 1>about two young men entrepreneurial who put together the Woodstock
<v Speaker 1>Music Festival. Oh okay, and they were the you know,
<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of the guys who are the investors.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm like, man that this sounds like really cool.
<v Speaker 2>This is Johnny One, John Hughes.
<v Speaker 1>But it was Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, So let's talk about that for a minute,
<v Speaker 2>because you you've got some info on the idea of
<v Speaker 2>the brat pack Because these two movies really I mean
<v Speaker 2>they're the ones that made that term and applied it
<v Speaker 2>to these actors.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, it.
<v Speaker 2>Really didn't exist, Like it didn't exist for sixteen Candles,
<v Speaker 2>which came out just before this. It was this movie.
<v Speaker 2>It was Breakfast Club and Seeing almos Fire that really
<v Speaker 2>cast these people in it. Because obviously Rob Low was
<v Speaker 2>definitely in the brat pack group as well and complained
<v Speaker 2>about it pigeonholing him into the parts that he could get.
<v Speaker 2>But give us some intel in that.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the story of these two movies.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>To me, it's really interesting the power that this article
<v Speaker 1>wielded over these actors. So you have this guy, his
<v Speaker 1>name's David Blum, and he was going to do a
<v Speaker 1>piece on Emelio Esteves and so he was from out
<v Speaker 1>of town. Emelio invited him, Hey, come out with us.
<v Speaker 1>I'm meeting some of the guys. We'll hang out, we'll
<v Speaker 1>go to dinner. Well, Emeli Estevez invites Rob Low and
<v Speaker 1>jud Nelson to go out to dinner with them, and
<v Speaker 1>this guy basically writes a hatchet job article on them
<v Speaker 1>as being privileged jerk party boys. Huh, Like, think about it.
<v Speaker 1>If you invited me and three other guys out to dinner,
<v Speaker 1>and the guy that you invited proceeded to tear us
<v Speaker 1>down and created this situation where they were radioactive in Hollywood. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>like they went from it personnel to radioactive overnight because
<v Speaker 1>of this article.
<v Speaker 2>It's terrible. Like I mean, and I mean obviously I
<v Speaker 2>don't know these people. I don't know Roblo personally, and
<v Speaker 2>I don't know Emelio Estevez personally, but just in the
<v Speaker 2>candid you know, in their real life personas, they seem
<v Speaker 2>like good human beings.
<v Speaker 1>So I read the article like I went and read
<v Speaker 1>the article. Yeah. The only thing it's I don't think
<v Speaker 1>it's that bad. It's written from a perspective of somebody
<v Speaker 1>who is on the outside looking in. So this was
<v Speaker 1>it was tainted with sort of bitterness and jealousy. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I think the guy is a jerk. I think he's
<v Speaker 1>a sour, bitter jerk, a journalist. A journalist. It had
<v Speaker 1>a lot of collateral damage, including guys like Anthony Michael
<v Speaker 1>Hall and Andrew McCarthy who weren't even there that night,
<v Speaker 1>you know. But basically you got these guys who are
<v Speaker 1>twenty two years old and they're running around. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>they're talking to women and drinking too much and they're
<v Speaker 1>rich sprats.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's that's tragic. I mean they're fortunate
<v Speaker 2>enough to have made some money and they're but they're
<v Speaker 2>still twenty two. Like that's right. What most of us
<v Speaker 2>did when we were twenty two was talk to girls
<v Speaker 2>and drink and hang out and try to have as
<v Speaker 2>good a time as you could.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so like, think about Ali Sheety, What did
<v Speaker 1>she really do after Saint Almo's fire short circuit? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>What else?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's some things, there are some there
<v Speaker 2>are some more independent things. I don't think she probably
<v Speaker 2>was trying to be big cast.
<v Speaker 1>Honestly. I know that she did a film. I can't
<v Speaker 1>remember the name of it.
<v Speaker 2>Afterwards, but I was listening to the Breakfast Club like
<v Speaker 2>their reunion when they're all back together, and they said,
<v Speaker 2>what movie of somebody else do you love? And Molly
<v Speaker 2>Ringwald mentioned this movie that I hadn't heard of by
<v Speaker 2>Ali Sheety that Ali Sheety was in that I thought
<v Speaker 2>was very sweet. But Ali, I just noticed in that
<v Speaker 2>forum of people, she was the one that stayed quiet
<v Speaker 2>the most, Like it's kind of she's kind of the
<v Speaker 2>character the back in the background character like she was
<v Speaker 2>in the Breakfast Club.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how about jud Nelson. What has he done since then? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Not much?
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's not Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, not much. I mean
<v Speaker 1>he did do less than zero yeah, which I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you know, which was nineteen eighty seven. That's a post
<v Speaker 1>backpack article.
<v Speaker 2>Right, But I mean that's it's kind of the part
<v Speaker 2>like he's playing the part of the that's it sounds
<v Speaker 2>like he was written, you know that it was that
<v Speaker 2>braddy privileged drugs and alcohol kind of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. But you look at so Ameliusves. You know,
<v Speaker 1>he'd had young guns and he had mighty ducks, and
<v Speaker 1>he did a lot of stuff and he's still active.
<v Speaker 1>But compare that to like Roblo, Demi Moore, Robert Danny Junior.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know there are guys that came through
<v Speaker 1>that were brat pack adjacent flourished on the other side.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they all had they all had a lull.
<v Speaker 2>They all had a lull except for Demi Moore. Demi
<v Speaker 2>Moore kind of she jumped up with I think maybe
<v Speaker 2>in decent proposal, Like that's the first one I remember
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties seeing her in and you know, she'd
<v Speaker 2>had some enhancements done and showed them off in that movie.
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that kind of got her running.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, she married a dude that few people knew,
<v Speaker 2>cal Bruce Willis.
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. I think the thing that got her
<v Speaker 1>over the hump, so to speak, is that she graduated
<v Speaker 1>from sort of kiddish not kids but young people movies, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>into more mature movies because she was willing to show
<v Speaker 1>her skin a little bit. All right, well, let's get
<v Speaker 1>into it. Man. Breakfast Club versus Saint Elmo's Fire. Here
<v Speaker 1>we are ground zero for the brat pack.
<v Speaker 2>So I'm trying. I was trying to think how many
<v Speaker 2>John Hughes movies have we talked about, because at one
<v Speaker 2>point we had done the podcast for something like four years,
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, how do we have an eighties
<v Speaker 2>podcast and not have talked about John Hughes. But now
<v Speaker 2>we've knocked a few out. So we've done Regular Vacation,
<v Speaker 2>We've done Christmas Vacation, yep, We've done Home Alone, We've
<v Speaker 2>done Weird Science. Weird Science was earlier this year, right, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's four. So this is our fifth John
<v Speaker 2>Hughes movie to talk about it. That's right, yep, okay,
<v Speaker 2>and yes, go ahead?
<v Speaker 1>May I add, yeah, we have on the schedule Ferris
<v Speaker 1>Buelers day off for next season. Yeah? Really, how can
<v Speaker 1>you not do an eighties podcast to talk about Farisbeel'
<v Speaker 1>day off?
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?
<v Speaker 1>And then we've got pretty imp versus some kind of
<v Speaker 1>wonderful Yeah, on the schedule.
<v Speaker 2>I would love at some point for us to do
<v Speaker 2>plane strains and automobile veils versus Uncle Buck. Probably, I
<v Speaker 2>love it. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, we can do
<v Speaker 2>all the John Hughes movies.
<v Speaker 1>I don't sixteen Candles.
<v Speaker 2>I will do Curly Sue. I don't care. So I
<v Speaker 2>think that I've talked about this before, but I'll just
<v Speaker 2>I'll do a short bit on John Hughes history. Right, So,
<v Speaker 2>grew up moving from place to place, you know, just
<v Speaker 2>when he felt like he would make friends, his dad
<v Speaker 2>would move them to some new place. And then high school.
<v Speaker 2>He starts high school in Chicago for the first time
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago, kind of a nerdy kid, but he manages
<v Speaker 2>to get a cheerleader.
<v Speaker 1>I looked at her picture. She's pretty cute, she's intractive, Lenny.
<v Speaker 2>She so they move and he gets a job doing
<v Speaker 2>advertising work. He's writing jokes for Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers, right,
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets a job that's he's doing that
<v Speaker 2>copyright work. Doing the copy work, he comes up with
<v Speaker 2>the and you and I both need this right now, right,
<v Speaker 2>we got the winter facial hair going on. But you remember,
<v Speaker 2>back in the day, they had the shaving commercial where
<v Speaker 2>the guy would rub the credit card and it was
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, and it was smooth. That was John Hughes's creation.
<v Speaker 2>But he also he had Virginia Slims in his account,
<v Speaker 2>which led him to their building, which also was the
<v Speaker 2>same building that National Lampoon was in, and so he
<v Speaker 2>met those guys. He started writing stuff for them that
<v Speaker 2>of course spirals into The first swing was a miss.
<v Speaker 2>It was a National Lampoon's class reunion. They tried to
<v Speaker 2>do a redo of the.
<v Speaker 1>I saw that movie yeah way back when. Yeah, and
<v Speaker 1>I remember I was way too young to be watching it,
<v Speaker 1>but I remember thinking, this movie is appalling. It was naughty,
<v Speaker 1>but it was also like gross.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so okay, So that one swinging a mess. But
<v Speaker 2>then we do National Lampoon Vacation and he knocks it
<v Speaker 2>out of the Park and then he follows that up
<v Speaker 2>with Mister Mom another one we've been talking about. We've
<v Speaker 2>been talking about doing that movie for like four years now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, literally since season one.
<v Speaker 2>But those two movies get him a three picture deal
<v Speaker 2>with Universal and the first movie that he is going
<v Speaker 2>to make is Breakfast Club. And then it has a
<v Speaker 2>July fourth weekend as he's prepping to make Breakfast Club,
<v Speaker 2>and he decides to write a movie called sixteen Candles.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in a weekend.
<v Speaker 2>I know, I can't believe this. They forgot my birthday and.
<v Speaker 1>I is prolific writer.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so he comes to Universal and he's like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>I got my second movie. Here it is. It's called
<v Speaker 2>sixteen Candles. They read it and they say, we want
<v Speaker 2>to do this one first. I'm not so sure about
<v Speaker 2>this kids and detention all day long thing. This is
<v Speaker 2>a you know, sexy, raunchy, funny kids in high school thing.
<v Speaker 2>And they think this is going to work and it does.
<v Speaker 2>Obviously it works.
<v Speaker 1>It does. Now here's the thing.
<v Speaker 2>So he's finishing that as their beginning Breakfast Club. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So they come in for their read like everybody's been cast,
<v Speaker 2>and they come in for their first table read. Well,
<v Speaker 2>Milisteves didn't know that they were supposed to come in
<v Speaker 2>for a table read, and he had his wisdom to
<v Speaker 2>taken out, like all four of them impacted wisdom teeth
<v Speaker 2>taken out the day before.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.
<v Speaker 2>So like he's home, I don't know you do you
<v Speaker 2>have your wisdom tee thinking out?
<v Speaker 1>I did. It's not pleasant. I barfed in a parking
<v Speaker 1>lot on the way home, and you don't feel good
<v Speaker 1>for a couple of days after that. Yeah, it was terrible.
<v Speaker 2>And so he's on pain meds. He's suffering from all
<v Speaker 2>four of these things coming out, and he gets a
<v Speaker 2>call from his agent and they're like, hey, you got
<v Speaker 2>to go over and do the table read. He's like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>I just had my wisdom. So he's he goes over.
<v Speaker 2>He he slugs through the table read, and then John
<v Speaker 2>Hughes is like, I finally got the final cut of
<v Speaker 2>sixteen Candles. You guys, come on, we're gonna go watch it.
<v Speaker 2>And so Amelia Estevez says, I remember seeing the opening
<v Speaker 2>credits and I closed my eyes and then I opened
<v Speaker 2>my eyes and there was the closing credits, and Jen
<v Speaker 2>Nelson nudges him. He goes I think he just got fired.
<v Speaker 1>Hey, how come Andrew gets to go to sleep and
<v Speaker 1>Andrew goes We'll all go to sleep. It'd be anarchy.
<v Speaker 3>Hey.
<v Speaker 1>I did have a great quote from John Hughes, okay,
<v Speaker 1>and he was talking about how he went from the writer,
<v Speaker 1>like the screenwriter for Mister Mom and Vacation. You know
<v Speaker 1>we talked. Vacation was directed by Harold Remis, right, So
<v Speaker 1>he talked to I don't know which director he talked to,
<v Speaker 1>but that director told him, if they fire you, we
<v Speaker 1>make the movie. If they fire me, we don't make
<v Speaker 1>the movie. And he's like, good information. That's why he
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a director so bad exactly.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's good.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good.
<v Speaker 2>So Breakfast Club, you've got these five main characters, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>you get two extra characters, okay. And I know that
<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about casting here in a minute,
<v Speaker 2>so I'm trying not to jump in. But Ali and
<v Speaker 2>Emelia and jud were the only ones that were like
<v Speaker 2>old enough to go out, like okay, Like Molly and
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Michael Hall were both teenagers.
<v Speaker 1>They were like sixteen, you're sixteen years old.
<v Speaker 2>They were doing school during the day while they're filming
<v Speaker 2>and not doing things at night because they're not old enough.
<v Speaker 2>So I know that Amelia and Judd tried to go
<v Speaker 2>out one night. I think they had. It was a
<v Speaker 2>failed attempt, Like they went to bar after bar and
<v Speaker 2>people were just like not interested in not they were
<v Speaker 2>not the brat pack.
<v Speaker 1>Yet, right right, well, interestingly enough, the article the brat
<v Speaker 1>Pack article, the guy made mention that Judd would become
<v Speaker 1>very impatient at the club. So like, Okay, he's dancing,
<v Speaker 1>nobody comes up to him. This place sucks.
<v Speaker 2>We're out of here, yes, so yeah, so, and apparently
<v Speaker 2>Ali just stayed in her room. She was old enough
<v Speaker 2>to go out, but she's like, I'm good. She just
<v Speaker 2>she very much seems to be her her character.
<v Speaker 1>She seems like the type of person who is happy
<v Speaker 1>to crawl up with a book.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, be fine, Maybe not the type of person to
<v Speaker 2>make love in the shower on a coffin with her
<v Speaker 2>pearls still on for five scenes.
<v Speaker 1>I told you we'll get to it. That was the
<v Speaker 1>most unsexy love making scene that I can remember.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, eighties, so let's just talk about it now, Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because you told me that, and then I watched it
<v Speaker 2>for the first time, and and I warned the person
<v Speaker 2>that I was with, I'm like, this is coming, just
<v Speaker 2>be ready for it. And we watched it and we're like, well,
<v Speaker 2>she still got a pearls on, and she still got
<v Speaker 2>a pearls on, and there they are still on, Like
<v Speaker 2>I just have to think those are gonna either come off,
<v Speaker 2>fall off, or be torn off at some point in
<v Speaker 2>that process. But they were not pearls hold it. But
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't awful. It wasn't awful. It was just kind of.
<v Speaker 1>Well, it seemed like they were directed like Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>attack her like a linebacker. I'm like, dude, it's.
<v Speaker 2>As though the guy giving them direction was unfamiliar with
<v Speaker 2>what heterosexual sex was.
<v Speaker 3>Like.
<v Speaker 1>That's a fair point. That's a fair point. I will
<v Speaker 1>say this though, in.
<v Speaker 2>Hey, Andrew, I've got a costume for you. It's got
<v Speaker 2>the nipples right on it.
<v Speaker 1>We have talked about Joel Schumacher already, go back to
<v Speaker 1>our Batman and Robin and.
<v Speaker 2>And the Lost Boys Lost Boys then, okay, so let's
<v Speaker 2>keep talking about this. So we got Joel Schumacher for
<v Speaker 2>Saint Almo. Spider wrote and directed, Yes, that movie yes,
<v Speaker 2>and yes, we have talked about him before. As a reminder,
<v Speaker 2>he was doing window dressings in some department store and
<v Speaker 2>Woody Allen saw his department store and said, I want
<v Speaker 2>you to come do costumes from a movie. And that's
<v Speaker 2>how he gets into the entertainment industry. Does car Wash,
<v Speaker 2>does The Incredible Shrinking Woman, and then that somehow spirals
<v Speaker 2>into The Lost Boys and well, this movie.
<v Speaker 1>It is amazing when you say that out loud to me,
<v Speaker 1>he was decorating windows at a department store and later
<v Speaker 1>is in charge of the bat Man franchise.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, But I told you,
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I feel like he's a home run or
<v Speaker 2>strikeout guy, Like he doesn't have very.
<v Speaker 1>Many And we started to go through the list, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean, this movie isn't a strikeout at
<v Speaker 2>the time, but I don't feel I mean, i'd say
<v Speaker 2>with confidence it does not stand the test of time.
<v Speaker 2>Like there may be people who fell in love with
<v Speaker 2>it back then who watch it and they're and they're like,
<v Speaker 2>oh yes, and they have the memories and it's all
<v Speaker 2>good again. But I'm telling you, anybody who's didn't see
<v Speaker 2>this back in nineteen in the nineteen eighties, who then
<v Speaker 2>comes across it later on is going to be like,
<v Speaker 2>this is horrible.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is horrible. Let me just I'm just mounting
<v Speaker 1>my first line of defense here, okay, because I will
<v Speaker 1>argue number one, this is a touchdown movie in the
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties. Okay. And granted, my perspective is different because
<v Speaker 1>I saw it one hundred times when I was twelve
<v Speaker 1>years old, and so it was aspirational for me to
<v Speaker 1>eventually go to college and fall in love with somebody
<v Speaker 1>and get like start chasing a career and doing things
<v Speaker 1>with my life and becoming who I'm supposed to be. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you saw it after all that stuff had happened. Yeah, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>so it is a different perspective. Yeah, but I'm here
<v Speaker 1>to tell you Saint AMA's Fire, I believe gave birth
<v Speaker 1>to one of the most popular television shows of all time. Okay, Okay, Yes,
<v Speaker 1>now I can't make a direct line to this, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>but is my thought that even maybe subliminally this created
<v Speaker 1>the TV show Friends.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I could see that. I mean, I can't
<v Speaker 2>I can see that. I mean because you essentially, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's four girls and three guys in the movie
<v Speaker 2>instead of three girls and three guys. But it's that
<v Speaker 2>same kind of where we've we've just arrived to adulthood.
<v Speaker 2>We're just trying to figure out how to be grown
<v Speaker 2>ups instead of being kids again. I can see that. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair. I think that's right. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if you're right or not, but I think that's
<v Speaker 2>a fair guess.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, so there you go.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Joel Schumacher makes this thing, and it's a
<v Speaker 2>polarizing movie, like even the critics are they love it
<v Speaker 2>or they hate it, right, but the populace at large
<v Speaker 2>loves it.
<v Speaker 1>So once again, because I remember that summer of eighty five,
<v Speaker 1>the music video for this for Saint Almost Fire or
<v Speaker 1>Man Emotion, John Parr was on every third time on MTV.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm gonna push pause on what you're saying
<v Speaker 2>for just a second. Okay, everybody, So, in our normal episodes,
<v Speaker 2>if there's an iconic song, we're going to talk about
<v Speaker 2>that song during an episode. And in this particular scenario,
<v Speaker 2>we have two movies that each have an iconic song.
<v Speaker 2>But as it turns out, we have already covered both
<v Speaker 2>of those songs, and we've covered them on our Patreon page.
<v Speaker 2>So teaser here. If you want to hear the full
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<v Speaker 2>I can make that happen. We made one in blue,
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, dang, that's better than the black and
<v Speaker 2>the white. I think we've got him in blue. We've
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah to go.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah anyway, hey.
<v Speaker 1>Wait wait wait yeah, before you move on, First of all,
<v Speaker 1>today is Chris Weber's birthday. Chris, Happy birthday, A buddy birthday, Chris. Also,
<v Speaker 1>this is totally true. You can get a Shirley can't
<v Speaker 1>be serious two piece black bikini for your you know,
<v Speaker 1>stocking stuffer. Hey, you know, for your loved one. Get
<v Speaker 1>them now.
<v Speaker 2>It's winter, it's not season, it's they're cheap and they
<v Speaker 2>look good.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you want guys to pay attention to you,
<v Speaker 1>Shirley can't be serious.
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you. Your wife puts on the Shirley can't
<v Speaker 2>be serious bikini. You guys might not make it to
<v Speaker 2>the beach.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh. Back on Joel Schumacher for just a second.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go through his entire career. But
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about whether or not it's either a
<v Speaker 1>home run or strikeout, right, and so we were I
<v Speaker 1>was just kind of looking at him, you know. DC
<v Speaker 1>Cab was kind of a you know, I had mister
<v Speaker 1>t I wanted to like it has.
<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher in it. As a little kid, I liked it, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was but it was one of those
<v Speaker 2>ones that was it was on HBO or something or
<v Speaker 2>whatever a lot. So it was just like to me,
<v Speaker 2>just funny. I just was too young to understand what
<v Speaker 2>good movies were.
<v Speaker 1>What do you think about Incredible Shrinking Woman?
<v Speaker 2>I loved it, and it would come on all the time.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it would come on like ABC all the time.
<v Speaker 1>I love that movie too.
<v Speaker 2>I would watch it again right now. I would watch
<v Speaker 2>The Incredible Shrinking Woman every day and twice on Sunday
<v Speaker 2>before I ever watched at Almost fire Kid.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I love I love incredible shrinking woman. Lily Tomlin
<v Speaker 1>was super funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's great. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>The Lost Boys, Yeah, Home Run right for sure, best
<v Speaker 1>vampire movie of the eighties. I agree, Yeah, okay, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Then you have the movie like Falling Down.
<v Speaker 2>Great movie.
<v Speaker 1>It's fun, right, It's not really fun, it's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, but I mean iconic like that was
<v Speaker 2>it was changing at that point. Yes, it was a
<v Speaker 2>major thing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Flat Liners, I loved it back.
<v Speaker 2>In the day. I don't know if it's still good.
<v Speaker 2>It's been thirty something years since I've seen it.
<v Speaker 1>But I will put this out there that Joel Schumacher,
<v Speaker 1>for every two good things he does, is kind of
<v Speaker 1>one drawback. Okay, So like flat Liners, you're like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>this is an interesting story and these people suck.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, so you yeah, you kind of
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that they're all flawed characters, right, And he talks
<v Speaker 2>about in this movie he wrote this movie, he based
<v Speaker 2>it on his circle of friends, you know and I
<v Speaker 2>And at some point one of the record or one
<v Speaker 2>of the studio executives reading the script said, this is
<v Speaker 2>the most loathsome group of people I've ever read in
<v Speaker 2>my life. Yeah, those are my best friends, right, so
<v Speaker 2>that that does make it kind of awkward. Yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I got to just I just had an
<v Speaker 2>inspiration flat Liners. Yeah, tell a story and then we'll
<v Speaker 2>bring it back to flat Liners, all right. So we
<v Speaker 2>also have talked I think season one or season two
<v Speaker 2>we did Bulderham versus Major, Yes, we did. Did you
<v Speaker 2>know that Anthony Michael Hall was supposed to play Nucleue
<v Speaker 2>and he he says, I ift that up. I was
<v Speaker 2>a cocky kid and I messed that part. I messed
<v Speaker 2>getting that part up.
<v Speaker 1>Ron Shelton couldn't stand him, right, and that's what Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>so as Tim Robbins got that part, of course, and
<v Speaker 1>then he later did a movie called Jacob's Ladder.
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen that movie?
<v Speaker 1>I have.
<v Speaker 2>I really feel like Flatliners and Jacob's Ladder might be
<v Speaker 2>the perfect matchup. Like, I don't want to give away
<v Speaker 2>the ending to Jacob's Ladder for anybody who hasn't seen it,
<v Speaker 2>but it's kind of the same idea of what happens.
<v Speaker 1>When you're dead. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thought. I
<v Speaker 1>like it, Okay, I like it.
<v Speaker 2>Let's put a pin in that, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>Uh So Schumacher also does a couple of pretty good
<v Speaker 1>John Grissom movies, right. He does The Client, which is
<v Speaker 1>pretty good, and he does a Time to Kill which
<v Speaker 1>I thought was very good, right.
<v Speaker 2>And Matthew McConaughey breakout movie absolutely right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then of course he does Batman Forever and Batman.
<v Speaker 2>And Robin Yeah, both very bad, very bad. There are
<v Speaker 2>several other bad, bad movies and what he's done too,
<v Speaker 2>but I don't need to bring those up.
<v Speaker 1>Batman Forever, I would argue, has things in common with
<v Speaker 1>sant Elmo's Fire.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>You have charismatic people, you have a couple of great songs,
<v Speaker 1>music videos, and a whole lot of flash, but just
<v Speaker 1>not tons of substance. Yeah, but I didn't know any better,
<v Speaker 1>and I thought they were great.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah at the time I could see that. Speaking of
<v Speaker 2>Batman Forever, please go check out the thirty somethingter movie podcast.
<v Speaker 2>They just covered Batman Forever and it was hysterical.
<v Speaker 1>It was It was really good.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, so we understand how these two movies came
<v Speaker 2>to be both written and directed by well known.
<v Speaker 1>Very very successful writers and directors of the eighties.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but let's talk about casting because it's huge for
<v Speaker 2>these Okay, yeah, let's start with Breakfast Club. Of course,
<v Speaker 2>Molly Ringwall and Anthony Michael Hall did not have to audition.
<v Speaker 1>Well because they got the job while they were working
<v Speaker 1>on Sixteen Candles. Yeah, so there's some interesting things here.
<v Speaker 1>So Molly Ringwald became John Hughes's go to girl until
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't.
<v Speaker 4>You know, I have just as many feelings as you do,
<v Speaker 4>and it hurts just as much when somebody steps all
<v Speaker 4>over them.
<v Speaker 1>We had sixteen Candles.
<v Speaker 2>Breakfast Club, Breakfast Club, pretty pretty and pink, and then and.
<v Speaker 1>Then she kind of laid down the law and said
<v Speaker 1>I'm breaking away and doing my own thing, and that
<v Speaker 1>really hurt his feelings.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean Anthony Michael is the exact same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Various Bueller's day off was supposed to be Anthony Michael Hall,
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, no, I'm going to go do
<v Speaker 2>out of Bounds.
<v Speaker 1>I know, and I've I've done a podcast on out
<v Speaker 1>of Bounds with Jeff Johnson. Go over to the Film
<v Speaker 1>by podcast check that out. I mean he's not good.
<v Speaker 2>Yep.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Anthony Michael Hall poke back. Okay, he had done
<v Speaker 1>Vacation fourteen. He's amazing. He's very funny. Yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 1>he holds his own with Chevy Chase. He does uh
<v Speaker 1>and then of course he does sixteen Candles and he
<v Speaker 1>steals the show in Sea sixteen. Farmer Ted, I'm not
<v Speaker 1>really a farmer a freshman right, yeah, okay. John Hughes said,
<v Speaker 1>if Anthony didn't do Breakfast Club, I wouldn't have made it. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>how strong is that?
<v Speaker 2>That's very strong? Now, it's interesting because of of those characters,
<v Speaker 2>he to me is.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of the back.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're picking, you know there, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>really about all five of them. But he's kind of
<v Speaker 2>the background guy. To me, he's kind of the glue.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>He's just it's it's not farmer Ted at all. Right,
<v Speaker 1>Farmer Ted's very out there, kind of right front. Yeah yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>so he plays. Also we should say he's the brain.
<v Speaker 4>What do you need to fake ID for so I
<v Speaker 4>can vote m He's.
<v Speaker 1>The guy who writes the letter to mister Vernon. Also,
<v Speaker 1>do you remember his crime for a detention?
<v Speaker 2>I do?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, we probably need to talk about their quote
<v Speaker 1>unquote school sins. Okay, he brings a flarira gun to
<v Speaker 1>school because he failed a shop project.
<v Speaker 2>Kind of idiot. Doesn't know how to make a lamp.
<v Speaker 1>What do you know about trigonometry with that?
<v Speaker 2>Trigonometry wouldn't have bridges bridges without lamps, we wouldn't have.
<v Speaker 1>Like stupid elephant trunk. So did you know at the
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the movie when he pulls up to the
<v Speaker 1>school and you have the mom and the sister there
<v Speaker 1>and mom's reaming him out, saying, mister, you find a
<v Speaker 1>way to study. That's his actual mother. Did not know
<v Speaker 1>that until you told me yesterday. Her name is Mercedes Hall. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>his sister it's that little girl, Mary Christian.
<v Speaker 2>It's her name, Mary Christian.
<v Speaker 1>Hall's winning. Yeah. John Hughes thought, what better way to
<v Speaker 1>get the authentic mother son, yeah than to have actual
<v Speaker 1>mother and son.
<v Speaker 2>And then the dad picks him up at the end
<v Speaker 2>of the movie, and the dad is John Jones. Love it, Yeah, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>perfect nerd dad. You know he's got those kind of
<v Speaker 2>circle glasses.
<v Speaker 1>Big big glasses. He does rock the mullet. I love
<v Speaker 1>his rocking mullet.
<v Speaker 2>Man yeah, okay, it's like a guy who's trying real hard.
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Molly Ringwalk.
<v Speaker 4>Oh how popular I am.
<v Speaker 1>I'm so popular. Everybody loves me so much with this
<v Speaker 1>store for baby.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So she had been the star of sixteen Candles. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you know this not. She had been
<v Speaker 1>in Facts of Life.
<v Speaker 2>I do remember that. Yeah, she was young, one of
<v Speaker 2>the younger girls and Facts of Life. I didn't think
<v Speaker 2>about it until you just said it, But now that
<v Speaker 2>you say it, yeah, I remember that. She had the
<v Speaker 2>very like I don't remember, mushroom kind of haircut.
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of interesting to think what would have happened
<v Speaker 1>if Blair or Joe or Tuty had had kind of
<v Speaker 1>slid into that role, you know what I mean, which
<v Speaker 1>obviously it was possible, you know, Mollie field that spot.
<v Speaker 1>So she stars as Samantha in sixteen Candles. John Hughes
<v Speaker 1>falls in love with her and says, you're my girl, right.
<v Speaker 1>So that's so he had her and him in his
<v Speaker 1>back pocket going in. Ali Sheety had done wargames, which
<v Speaker 1>we had talked about.
<v Speaker 4>Your heart dies, Who cares.
<v Speaker 1>I care?
<v Speaker 3>You know?
<v Speaker 1>Ali Sheety did war games. She did a movie called
<v Speaker 1>Bad Boys, which starred Sean penn Uh And she had
<v Speaker 1>also been in Oxford Blues, which had Rob Low, So
<v Speaker 1>you kind of have some early brat pack stuff going
<v Speaker 1>on there. Oka and John Hughes brings her in and
<v Speaker 1>she's going to be the outcast, the weirdo, the basket.
<v Speaker 2>Case, he said, or she said. When he brought her in,
<v Speaker 2>he didn't have her read. He just talked to her
<v Speaker 2>like just and I imagine he probably did this with
<v Speaker 2>most of them, but just talked to her about the
<v Speaker 2>character and some ideas and they exchange and you know,
<v Speaker 2>she she gave him her thoughts and that was how
<v Speaker 2>she got cast. Never read a line and got cast.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if the Blogey throw was her idea.
<v Speaker 1>The dandriff on the drawing, by the way, you know
<v Speaker 1>what she claims is her biggest contribution to the Breakfast Club,
<v Speaker 1>like her proudest moment in The Breakfast Club, the David
<v Speaker 1>Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie where it
<v Speaker 1>comes directly from the song changes. Yeah, that was Ali.
<v Speaker 1>She's idea.
<v Speaker 3>And these children that juice is on mistake, try to
<v Speaker 3>change their world. Our rebune to your consultation is it
<v Speaker 3>quite aware what they're going through.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, she's like, that is my proudest thing associated with
<v Speaker 1>Breakfast Club.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that's wonderful. No, that's really good.
<v Speaker 1>I would be this. I would feel the same way.
<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic, right, And.
<v Speaker 1>Just while we're on it. So you have the David
<v Speaker 1>Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie, and then
<v Speaker 1>you have the exploding glass and then it's Saturday morning,
<v Speaker 1>March twenty third, nineteen eighty four or whatever. You have
<v Speaker 1>a really cool setup for the movie.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I would argue that Saint Elmo's Fire has an incredible
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the movie as well. So you have the
<v Speaker 1>love theme. You have these seven friends, they're all wearing
<v Speaker 1>their cap and gown. They're graduating, they're happy, they are
<v Speaker 1>just thrilled to be there. And then you hear the
<v Speaker 1>sound of a car crash, like gosh, and then they're
<v Speaker 1>running into the emergency room. Yeah. Both of these movies
<v Speaker 1>are set up right off the bat. You already know
<v Speaker 1>what's going on where we are. One's gonna take place
<v Speaker 1>in the school, the other one is.
<v Speaker 2>A car crash.
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to get into it.
<v Speaker 3>Man.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's talk about Amelius of us.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, you and me two hits a hitting you hitting
<v Speaker 3>the floor anytime you're ready to pal.
<v Speaker 1>Of course we know him. We've talked about him a
<v Speaker 1>lot on the Young Guns episode we did. We did
<v Speaker 1>Young Guns, Young Guns two and Tombstone right kind of
<v Speaker 1>a three way. By the way, just for the record,
<v Speaker 1>he was made to be Billy the kid.
<v Speaker 2>I know that they're this year have been involved in
<v Speaker 2>filming in New Mexico for Gun three.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever, it's not young anymore. The young is all shot up.
<v Speaker 2>But Guns three.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what else? They're also doing sat Almost
<v Speaker 1>Fire two? Are they You didn't know that I did not. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>they are actively pursuing sat Alma's Fire part two.
<v Speaker 2>So emelis are they all dead because that's where it
<v Speaker 2>looked like it was headed.
<v Speaker 1>No, but that just as a side The Brats documentary
<v Speaker 1>that I Want was directed by Andrew McCarthy, and one
<v Speaker 1>of the cool things is he's reaching out to all
<v Speaker 1>these people trying to talk to him, and he talks
<v Speaker 1>to He talks to Ali Sheety, he talks to Ameliostavez,
<v Speaker 1>he talks to David Blum, the guy who wrote the article.
<v Speaker 1>He talks to Malcolm Gladwell, Like he goes to all
<v Speaker 1>these interesting people, but the one guy he can't track down,
<v Speaker 1>Mally Ringwall, turns him down. She you know, I wish
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have I would have loved to have heard
<v Speaker 1>from her. The one guy he can't track down is
<v Speaker 1>jud Like Judd Nelson is impossible to get a hold of,
<v Speaker 1>Like he doesn't know, he didn't have his number, his agent,
<v Speaker 1>like they can't reach him. And the last literally the
<v Speaker 1>last scene after he's met with you know, Amelia and
<v Speaker 1>Ali and Rob Low and Demi Moore and he sits
<v Speaker 1>down with the author and he kind of makes peace
<v Speaker 1>with the guy who wrote the article. The very last
<v Speaker 1>scene of the documentary, his phone rings. After all this
<v Speaker 1>is over the phone rings. He goes hello, yes Judd,
<v Speaker 1>and it goes it crashes in don't you Forget about Me?
<v Speaker 1>Is so good?
<v Speaker 2>That's great?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay, so I've got a funny story with Emiliatves. Okay.
<v Speaker 1>So he had done Repoman, He of course had done
<v Speaker 1>The Outsiders. He had done Texts which.
<v Speaker 2>My sister in law was on the back of a
<v Speaker 2>motorcycle with him in that movie.
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, so a strong sy Hinton background there,
<v Speaker 1>And of course we've talked about The Outsiders and Rumblefish.
<v Speaker 1>Those are both kind of brat pack adjacent movies. Sure,
<v Speaker 1>And so Emiliu Estavez's dad, Martin Sheen, I thought this
<v Speaker 1>was funny. John Capellos, who plays the Jannit, he plays
<v Speaker 1>Carl in Breakfast Club, he was trying to break the
<v Speaker 1>ice with the young actors one day and he was
<v Speaker 1>telling him, hey, guys, listen, this isn't rocket science. There's
<v Speaker 1>no need to get too uptight about this stuff. In fact,
<v Speaker 1>one dumb actor, Martin Sheen, got so into Apocalypse Now
<v Speaker 1>he had in a heart attack. And Emilio was like
<v Speaker 1>livid about that comment, of course, and like John Capella's
<v Speaker 1>is still talking about to this day, he is like,
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I can't believe I said that. That
<v Speaker 1>was so stupid. I had no idea that that was
<v Speaker 1>his son, and so Emilio really was really really bad
<v Speaker 1>at him. Well, John Capellis worked with Martin Sheen, I think,
<v Speaker 1>on The West Wing years years later, and he told
<v Speaker 1>Martin Sheen that story, and Martin thought it was hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>So I thought that I thought that was a great story.
<v Speaker 2>It is, that's a very good story. Yes, by the way,
<v Speaker 2>he was What was the actor's name, John Capella's. John
<v Speaker 2>Capello's was the oily bohunk fiance groom maddied in Sixteen Candles.
<v Speaker 1>He was, he was. He also plays kind of the
<v Speaker 1>sleazy guy in Roxanne, which is another movie I like.
<v Speaker 1>And he's and he's one of the guys in the
<v Speaker 1>bar in Weird Science. He's like the pimp. He is,
<v Speaker 1>he is. What are you doing with him? But like this,
<v Speaker 1>I guess she's that's it. Judd Nelson was the last
<v Speaker 1>guy hired.
<v Speaker 4>Any questions, Yeah, I got a question.
<v Speaker 3>Does Barry Man alone know that you rate his wardrobe?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now here's the interesting thing. So Emelia Stevez was
<v Speaker 1>originally supposed to be Bender. Stop and think about that
<v Speaker 1>for a second. That doesn't fit at all.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't.
<v Speaker 1>So they bring in Judd Nelson, who had been in
<v Speaker 1>a eighties kind of a B movie called Making the Grade.
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever see that one? Okay, not a great movie.
<v Speaker 1>Bring him in, but he has a level of menace
<v Speaker 1>to him. I feel like he's violent in some ways,
<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, And he stayed in character so much so.
<v Speaker 1>Molly Ringwald's mom had to get involved and went to
<v Speaker 1>John Houghs and said, this guy will not leave my
<v Speaker 1>daughter alone. He's making inappropriate comments to her. He's twenty
<v Speaker 1>five years old, she's sixteen.
<v Speaker 2>Let me see a picture guy with elephant Titus of
<v Speaker 2>the nuts. It's pretty tasty.
<v Speaker 4>No, thank you.
<v Speaker 2>How do you think he rides a bike?
<v Speaker 4>Oh Claire?
<v Speaker 2>Would you ever consider dating.
<v Speaker 3>A guy like this?
<v Speaker 2>Can?
<v Speaker 4>She's leaving me alone, even if he had a great personality,
<v Speaker 4>was a good dancer and had a cool car, although
<v Speaker 4>you probably have to.
<v Speaker 1>Ride in the backseat because his nuts would ride shotgun
<v Speaker 1>And so John Hughes is like, he's gone, I got
<v Speaker 1>I'm firing his butt. That's bull crap. I can't have
<v Speaker 1>him abusing our lead actress. Paul Gleeson, the guy who
<v Speaker 1>plays mister Vernon, says, no, you can't. This guy has
<v Speaker 1>got this character down so well, and he's a young
<v Speaker 1>guy just telling me back off. You cannot let this
<v Speaker 1>guy go. He's way too important. And of course Paul
<v Speaker 1>Gleeson and John Bender, they're back and forth. Is the
<v Speaker 1>crux of the movie.
<v Speaker 2>What was that.
<v Speaker 4>Eat my shorts?
<v Speaker 1>You just bought yourself another Saturday mister Oh crushed. You
<v Speaker 1>just bought one more right there? Well on free the
<v Speaker 1>Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm gonna have to check
<v Speaker 1>my calendar. Good because it's.
<v Speaker 3>Going to be filled.
<v Speaker 2>We'll keep going.
<v Speaker 1>Do you want another one?
<v Speaker 2>Say the word?
<v Speaker 1>Just say the word instead of going to prison, You'll
<v Speaker 1>come here.
<v Speaker 2>Are you true?
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm doing society a favor.
<v Speaker 2>So that's another one.
<v Speaker 3>Right now, I've got you for the rest of your
<v Speaker 3>natural born life.
<v Speaker 2>If you don't watch a step you.
<v Speaker 1>Want another one?
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you got it.
<v Speaker 1>You got another one right there.
<v Speaker 4>That's another one, Pal hang out.
<v Speaker 1>He was dis close to firing. That's Jed Nelson.
<v Speaker 2>That's great, And apparently Jed Nelson would also antagonize Paul
<v Speaker 2>Gleeson throughout the movie. Well, sure, so, do you know
<v Speaker 2>the story behind how Paul Gleeson got hired?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 1>I know?
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we talked about.
<v Speaker 1>In Trading Places.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we talked about Paul Leeson in Trading Places. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>But we also talked about Anthony Michael Hall. We were
<v Speaker 2>talking about weird science. We talked about how he had
<v Speaker 2>been like John Hughes was so like they were so
<v Speaker 2>tight that when they did sixteen Candles, He's like, okay, well, like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've got these guys as potential best friends.
<v Speaker 2>Who do you want? So he picked the best friend.
<v Speaker 2>So he picked John Cusack. He is, He's responsible for
<v Speaker 2>John Cusack's first real role.
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, he's like, he's got this script. They're working
<v Speaker 2>on it. Anthony Michael Hall loves Eddie Murphy. He goes
<v Speaker 2>and watches Trading Places, gets done with it, and he
<v Speaker 2>goes to John Hughes and he's like, you got to
<v Speaker 2>see this movie. The guy they had originally planned to
<v Speaker 2>play vice principal whatever name, Vernon, thank you, was coach
<v Speaker 2>from Cheers. That was yes, I mean how wrong would
<v Speaker 2>that have been?
<v Speaker 1>Right? Oh way? And so that was the plan.
<v Speaker 2>But then Anthony Michael Hall says to John Hughes, you
<v Speaker 2>got to go watch Trading Places. I think there's a
<v Speaker 2>guy in it who would be a much better Vernon.
<v Speaker 2>And that's how Paul Gleeson gets that part. Now Paul
<v Speaker 2>Gleeson and Nathan Michael Hall become friends after this. A
<v Speaker 2>couple of years later, they go watch the Tyson Reggie
<v Speaker 2>Gross fight that like he knocked him out the first
<v Speaker 2>round of course, you know, and he's and Anthony Michael
<v Speaker 2>Hall is watching, you know, watching the fight. He's you know,
<v Speaker 2>he's still a teenager, I think at this point, right
<v Speaker 2>and super excited, and all of a sudden, Mike's you know,
<v Speaker 2>walking out of the ring, and Mike's like, you're my
<v Speaker 2>favorite actor.
<v Speaker 1>And he says they become friends.
<v Speaker 2>They like, they wang out. They they still text each other.
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've gone on a double date before. It's
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Michael and Mike Tyson are our buddies. That is
<v Speaker 2>crazy because Paul Gleeson, who knows Anthony Michael Hall because
<v Speaker 2>he got him the part in Breakfast Club, took him
<v Speaker 2>to watch the Tyson fight.
<v Speaker 1>So I looked into Paul Gleeson a little bit. We've
<v Speaker 1>talked about him. He was in Trading Places, and of
<v Speaker 1>course he's in Die Hard Detective Dwayne Robinson, Dwaine T. Robinson.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not the one who just got it, but wee.
<v Speaker 1>So he is awesome in these movies as being kind
<v Speaker 1>of the lovable, hateable guy. You know, he was a
<v Speaker 1>professional baseball player. Oh I can actually see that in
<v Speaker 1>the Cleveland Indians organization. Oh wow, okay, Like and I looked, man,
<v Speaker 1>he was a jock expected more from a versity letterman.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Berry Man alone, No, you rate his wardrobe?
<v Speaker 1>Give me the answer to that question, mister bitter. Next Saturday,
<v Speaker 1>don't mess with the bull, young man. You get the horns.
<v Speaker 1>All right, I've got some alternate universe stuff for you.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we all everybody loves the Colvin alternate universe stories.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, here's your alternate John Binder. Okay. These
<v Speaker 1>are actors who almost got this part. And we talked
<v Speaker 1>about Emilio Westavez. I don't think he would be right
<v Speaker 1>for it. He's not imposing enough. He's five six, on that,
<v Speaker 1>on that, on height.
<v Speaker 2>Judd Nelson talked about how this not only was the
<v Speaker 2>perfect movie for its time, they filmed it at the
<v Speaker 2>perfect time because at the beginning of the movie he
<v Speaker 2>was big enough to be an actual threat to Anthony
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hall. By the time the movie was over, Anthony
<v Speaker 2>Michael Hall was the same height as him. By the
<v Speaker 2>time they were back in doing their dub line read ends,
<v Speaker 2>he was taller. And then of course, you know, Edward
<v Speaker 2>Scissorhands comes out and he's the jock, you know, But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>but yes, Anthony Michael Hall grew of like solid six
<v Speaker 2>inches during the production of The Breakfast Club.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so here's your alternate venders. Yeah, Nick Cage.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's kooky enough he might be able to pull
<v Speaker 1>it off. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean he had done Valley Girl at that point,
<v Speaker 2>so Rubblefish maybe. Yeah, let's not talk about that one. Okay, okay.
<v Speaker 1>But the other one, the big one, John Cusack, like
<v Speaker 1>he was literally like he thought he had it and
<v Speaker 1>they came to him, like Judd Nelson comes in the
<v Speaker 1>last second. Yeah, he acts like a jerk in the audition.
<v Speaker 1>He pisses everybody off in the audition. You know he's
<v Speaker 1>got He comes in, he's wearing the flannel and the
<v Speaker 1>jean jacket and the boots and yeah, he's doing the
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, and he rubs everybody the wrong way. And
<v Speaker 1>then they realize, well, that's who this guy is, right.
<v Speaker 1>So the casting director went to John Cusack, who up
<v Speaker 1>to that point had done Sixteen Candles and Maybe Better
<v Speaker 1>Off Dad, which we talked about earlier this year. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>neither one of those. Is he tough? Now he's a
<v Speaker 1>kickbox we know he's a kickboxer in real life. But
<v Speaker 1>went to him and said, sorry, we went in a
<v Speaker 1>different direction, and they said, but we got you a
<v Speaker 1>plane ticket home. He's like, and he stomped out. Was mad,
<v Speaker 1>you know, really really mad because he thought he had it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Can you see Bender and John Cusack. I think Judd
<v Speaker 1>Nelson nails this part. So you you mentioned that he
<v Speaker 1>wore the clothes in like and those were fingerless gloves.
<v Speaker 2>Those were his clothes. He said, his mom would constantly
<v Speaker 2>when he was walking out of the house. You'd be like,
<v Speaker 2>you tucking your shirt, shoes please? And then of course
<v Speaker 2>his look, I mean inspired, So everybody started trying to
<v Speaker 2>dress like that because everybody wanted to be John Bender.
<v Speaker 2>After that movie came out and she's like, oh great,
<v Speaker 2>you just started a fad of sloppiness.
<v Speaker 1>Is it fair to say that his costume influenced the grunge?
<v Speaker 2>You bet?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I think so too, you bet. I mean, look
<v Speaker 1>at Eddie Vedder in ninety one. Yeah, does he look
<v Speaker 1>like John Bender? Yes? He does? He does.
<v Speaker 2>Okay.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, another person that they had in mind,
<v Speaker 1>possibly Alan Ruck Cameron from Farri Speeler's Day Off. No, No,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say no to that one as well. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>all right, he wasn't even tough as a cowboy.
<v Speaker 2>In Young Cuts. Yeah right, he just was nerdy.
<v Speaker 1>You dig my farm mists? Okay, the possible alternate to
<v Speaker 1>John Capello's Carl who I think he does a great job.
<v Speaker 4>Sure, How does one become a janitor?
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be a janitor?
<v Speaker 4>No? I just want to know how one becomes a janitor,
<v Speaker 4>because Andrew here is very interested in pursuing a career
<v Speaker 4>in the custodio arts. Oh really, do you guys think
<v Speaker 4>I'm just something untouchable peasant, sir pion?
<v Speaker 2>You know? Maybe so falling a broom around after heads
<v Speaker 2>like you for the last eight years, I've learned a
<v Speaker 2>couple of things. I look through your letters, look through
<v Speaker 2>your lockers. I listened to your conversations. You don't know that,
<v Speaker 2>but I do.
<v Speaker 3>I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends.
<v Speaker 4>By the way, that clock's twenty minutes fast?
<v Speaker 1>Is Rick moranis too big?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's too big an actor.
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't the right fit. Yeah. Remember in Ghostbusters, Rick
<v Speaker 1>Moranis's character Lewis Sully had been originally played by John camp.
<v Speaker 2>Right right, Well, offered Candy got offered the party.
<v Speaker 1>They wanted him to do it, and he wanted to
<v Speaker 1>do it with like a heavy German accent, and they're like, no, no,
<v Speaker 1>not interested, And so he said, bring in my buddy,
<v Speaker 1>Rick moranis. Well in this movie, they wanted Rick moranis
<v Speaker 1>who wanted to do the janitor job as a Russian
<v Speaker 1>immigrant and do a heavy Russian accent, and they went, Now,
<v Speaker 1>John Cappella's.
<v Speaker 2>Subtle genius in this one. He really is.
<v Speaker 1>He's the eyes and the ears of that institution.
<v Speaker 2>But I mean he's just so laid back, just so
<v Speaker 2>nothing bothers him. He knows how to deal with these kids.
<v Speaker 1>He's the one like giving wisdom, Like come on, farn
<v Speaker 1>these kids didn't change.
<v Speaker 2>You changed, right, fifty bucks? What what are you gonna
<v Speaker 2>do for me? You got fifty bucks?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people miss this, but at the very beginning,
<v Speaker 1>like the opening credits of this movie, yeah, it shows
<v Speaker 1>that high school Shermer Illinois high school Man of the Year,
<v Speaker 1>and it's Carl and the janitor. Right. I did see
<v Speaker 1>meme the other day and it was like, as a kid,
<v Speaker 1>I thought, what a low life Carl is, And then
<v Speaker 1>as an adult, I'm like, let's say he works at
<v Speaker 1>the public school. He doesn't have to deal with anybody.
<v Speaker 1>He's got public benefits. Holly does pick up trash and.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that is freaking hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I've got a couple of alternate actresses who were
<v Speaker 1>up for the clear part. Oh, by the way, Claire,
<v Speaker 1>that character's name was originally not Claire, Oh it was Kathy.
<v Speaker 2>I will be careful not to say that Kathy is
<v Speaker 2>Kathy is not a fat girl's name.
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, My wife's name is Kathy. But anytime
<v Speaker 1>I meet a girl named Claire bing, Claire's a fat
<v Speaker 1>girl's name.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So here are your alternate Claires slash Kathy's.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Robin Wright was a possible I mean prom queen. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>are you kidding me?
<v Speaker 2>She's probably the same age, probably the same age, right,
<v Speaker 2>I mean that she was very she was very young,
<v Speaker 2>and she was she was four years later, three years later,
<v Speaker 2>two years later.
<v Speaker 1>Eighty seven. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, Jodie Foster.
<v Speaker 2>Promp queen.
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think something that's wrong. Okay, how about
<v Speaker 1>Lord Dern Yeah, I can see that, yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 1>And she was young enough at the time I think
<v Speaker 1>she had been in mask was eighty five. Diane Lane.
<v Speaker 1>What No, Yes, of course, Diane Lane.
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry, I was Cherry Valance. I was thinking
<v Speaker 2>of Diane Keaton. Yes, dian Lane was great, Diane Keaton.
<v Speaker 1>No, Diane Lane. Yes, that's good. Yes, yes, yes to
<v Speaker 1>Diane Lane.
<v Speaker 2>She's perfect.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>So okay, So we've got alternate universe of Dian Lane
<v Speaker 2>as Claire yep. And who was our best option for Bender?
<v Speaker 1>I didn't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I heard one that I thought was good.
<v Speaker 2>Nobody John Cusack.
<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean Emilia Estevez, you know, John Cusack, Nick Cage.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, And we don't really have any alternates for
<v Speaker 2>the jock.
<v Speaker 1>No, no alternates for the job, and.
<v Speaker 2>Then no alternates for the geek.
<v Speaker 1>Nope, he wasn't going to make the movie. If Anthony
<v Speaker 1>Michael Hall didn't do it.
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you the alternate for Allison the basket
<v Speaker 2>Case Allison. Yeah what Molly Ringwall she.
<v Speaker 1>Was she wanted to play that part? Really?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah she did?
<v Speaker 1>Really, there you go. How about that?
<v Speaker 2>It'd be a different movie.
<v Speaker 1>That would be a very different movie.
<v Speaker 2>And honestly, if you've got if you've got Diane Lane
<v Speaker 2>as the prom queen, Molly Ringwall does look like the
<v Speaker 2>second helping. Okay, so before we leave, we've got to
<v Speaker 2>talk about this. Okay, we've got to talk about this
<v Speaker 2>real quick.
<v Speaker 1>Moll Ringwall and Ali Sheety.
<v Speaker 2>You asked me on the phone if I thought that
<v Speaker 2>Ali Sheet was attractive, and I said, yes, I do
<v Speaker 2>think that she's attractive. And then I said I think
<v Speaker 2>she's more attractive before the makeover than after the makeover.
<v Speaker 1>And You're like, oh, you're one of those yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
<v Speaker 1>There are a group of people out there that think
<v Speaker 1>she looks better before the makeover because she does. These
<v Speaker 1>are the same people who think Sandy in Greece. You know,
<v Speaker 1>they missed the whole point of the euro the one
<v Speaker 1>I want video. You know, that's the the makeover is
<v Speaker 1>what makes it cool, that makes it fun, that makes
<v Speaker 1>it exciting.
<v Speaker 2>I get it. But it just didn't work in this.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean she did she didn't put on pants,
<v Speaker 2>she put on a hair bow. I mean she looked ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>Number one, she had too much makeup on.
<v Speaker 1>She gets all the out of her eyes.
<v Speaker 2>I like that, and I know I don't like it,
<v Speaker 2>like it all combed and QPI doll, you like the
<v Speaker 2>parmesan cheese and that didn't appear except on the sandwich,
<v Speaker 2>I mean, or on the painting or whatever. Right, No, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think she's better looking as a kind of
<v Speaker 2>messy you know too much I make up, not any
<v Speaker 2>other makeup girl. I like that better.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I'm not gonna die on this hill. But
<v Speaker 1>Ali Sheety doesn't do a lot for me personally.
<v Speaker 2>Well, Molly Ringwold does zero for me. So how does
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about Molly Ringwall Mmm? No, not much, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>not much. So, I mean, you swap those parts and
<v Speaker 2>you do a better job of putting makeup on Ali Sheety.
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.
<v Speaker 2>She to me has more I mean, and she has
<v Speaker 2>a more beautiful face than Molly Molly Ringwold does.
<v Speaker 1>If you move Molly Ringwold to Alison, Yeah, you put
<v Speaker 1>Diane Lane as Claire. That's a net positive in a
<v Speaker 1>perfect movie. Yeah, you're still you're upgrading, I think. Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, do you know who Karen Lee Hopkins is?
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea who that.
<v Speaker 1>Karen Lee Hopkins made it all the way to like
<v Speaker 1>shoot Day as the gym teacher, okay, Jim Teacher. Okay, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>So apparently there's an alternate scene written for Breakfast Club
<v Speaker 1>where she is swimming in the high school pool without
<v Speaker 1>any clothes on and Vernon is spying on her. Okay,
<v Speaker 1>and I think John Hughes wisely said we don't need
<v Speaker 1>this girl.
<v Speaker 2>So did you google this girl? Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>And she looks like a gym teacher. I mean she's
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's an attractive lady, but nothing the socks.
<v Speaker 2>It's not like Police Academy where she jumps in the corner.
<v Speaker 1>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that does it for casting. We will come
<v Speaker 2>back to you next week with next year, as it
<v Speaker 2>turns out, right, ash, I guess that's right. Yeah, next
<v Speaker 2>year with casting for Saint Elmo's Fire, we'll talk about tidbits.
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about maybe talk a little bit about Saint
<v Speaker 2>Elmo's Fire theme. Won't talk about man emotion, but we
<v Speaker 2>may talk a little bit about the theme and David Foster,
<v Speaker 2>and then we will give you our final take on
<v Speaker 2>there's any doubt as which one is better, Which one
<v Speaker 2>of these two movies, Which one of.
<v Speaker 1>These legitimate choices is the best?
<v Speaker 2>Guys, thank you so much for staying with us through
<v Speaker 2>however long you've been through the end of twenty twenty five.
<v Speaker 2>We can't wait to see you next year, and we
<v Speaker 2>love you all. Have a great New Year.
<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year, everybuddy.
<v Speaker 4>We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice the
<v Speaker 4>whole Saturday and detention for whatever it was we did wrong.
<v Speaker 4>But we think you're crazy to make us write an
<v Speaker 4>essay telling you who we think we are, and you
<v Speaker 4>see us as you want to see us, in the
<v Speaker 4>simplest terms of the most convenient definitions. But what we
<v Speaker 4>found out is that each one of us is a
<v Speaker 4>brain and an athlete, and a basket case, a princess.
<v Speaker 3>And a criminal.
<v Speaker 4>Does that answer your question? Sincerely, yours, a breakfast club