Our Favorite Scary Games + The Seance Of Blake Manor

<v Speaker 1>Hello, Welcome to this spooky episode of the Game Informer Show,
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<v Speaker 1>from around the industry. Normally I would be your host
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Stewart, but on this All Hollows Eve, I have
<v Speaker 1>transformed into Massacre Stewart. Ooh spookyo. And of course, as
<v Speaker 1>you can see, normally Kyle Hilliard would be here, but
<v Speaker 1>not today because we've got kill Hilliard.
<v Speaker 2>Killiard, yes, say kill Killard.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And if we to round out our spooky trio,
<v Speaker 1>we've got the one and only eviscerate Van Allen.
<v Speaker 3>I would have gone Van Helsing. That's where people normally go.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if Van Helsing's like spooky though. He's
<v Speaker 3>the guy that takes down the spooky folks. You know,
<v Speaker 3>he's he's like a vampire hunter, right.
<v Speaker 1>Well, he lives in a spooky world.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like party. He's Gothic, you know. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think it means you.
<v Speaker 1>Have to be the villain. And who knows. He's probably
<v Speaker 1>mean to people. He's probably the villain to other people.
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's probably read to somebody, so.
<v Speaker 2>We all know he's the villainin Hotel Transylvania three, voiced
<v Speaker 2>by Jim Gaffigan. We've all seen it. We all love it.
<v Speaker 1>That I've never seen those Is it that that I've
<v Speaker 1>never seen those movies? Am I missing out?
<v Speaker 4>Kyle?
<v Speaker 1>Or does like Big Deals?
<v Speaker 2>Actually? Genuinely, Marcus, I think you would honestly like those
<v Speaker 2>movies because you're like a cartoon network kid, right, Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's gosh, this is uh, this is embarrassing. I mean
<v Speaker 2>it's not embarrassing, but I can't remember the director's name
<v Speaker 2>off top. I had, what the heck is this name?
<v Speaker 2>This is so stupid, but I gotta look it up.
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, this is altan generally related to Halloween. It's
<v Speaker 2>Jendy Tartakowski, directed of the first three Hotel Transylvania.
<v Speaker 1>Power Girls, Dexter and that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that style is in there, like it has a
<v Speaker 2>really cool like the animation Hotel Transformantia. The first three
<v Speaker 2>at least are good and interesting and unique and so
<v Speaker 2>genuinely as like a fan of Gendi Tartakowski, Marcus, as
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming you are you would like those movies? I
<v Speaker 2>truly you would like those movies. I'm not even kidding, man.
<v Speaker 1>Nice, I gotta have this on my my Halloween watch list,
<v Speaker 1>along with Centers and Weapons and that new Conjuring movie.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, right in between Sinners Hotel Transylvania, What perfect
<v Speaker 2>perfect Weapons Hotel trans.
<v Speaker 1>Figured it out hell of a Halloween? Here are watching?
<v Speaker 1>If you're watching the video version, can see we are
<v Speaker 1>in our Halloween best and brightest. Kyle, do you want
<v Speaker 1>to explain your fit at all? Or do you or
<v Speaker 1>is this even an outfit? Is it just I'm lunch
<v Speaker 1>you woke up and from Dragon Ball Go check out
<v Speaker 1>the video version if you're listening. I'm I'm the famous
<v Speaker 1>character who sort of disappeared when Dragon Ball Z started.
<v Speaker 1>I think she's in like one episode she's like at
<v Speaker 1>t M's house and that she's just kind of like,
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm not in the show anymore. I think
<v Speaker 1>maybe she was in Battle of Gods. I think she
<v Speaker 1>was at the party. Maybe she okay? Is it weird
<v Speaker 1>to Is it weird to think that she technically died
<v Speaker 1>when Blue or when Boo blew earth like like Launch
<v Speaker 1>was killed at a certain point.
<v Speaker 2>She was poor.
<v Speaker 4>Launch.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but she came back, so it's cool. So it's cool.
<v Speaker 1>That's true. Yes she did, she did.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm blue haired Launch blue haired version.
<v Speaker 1>Check out the video version. Yeah nice Launch. I am
<v Speaker 1>a I'm a Ghostbuster. My name text say is a bankman,
<v Speaker 1>specifically Peter Fakeman, Bill Murray, the best, the best, best Ghostbuster.
<v Speaker 1>I got a proton pack right here, so I'm ready
<v Speaker 1>to go. Whoa we need to go? If you guys
<v Speaker 1>see any ghosts, I'm all set here, we can do it.
<v Speaker 1>I don't have the ghost trap. I had to really
<v Speaker 1>stop myself from buying the ghost trap and the PK
<v Speaker 1>E meter at the store because I would have been
<v Speaker 1>more money than I would have felt comfortable spending. But
<v Speaker 1>I came very close, just because childhood. I've never been
<v Speaker 1>a Ghostbusters for Halloween, and it was always one of
<v Speaker 1>my childhood fantasies was to have the proton pack and
<v Speaker 1>the whole like everything.
<v Speaker 2>Basically, and the one you just showed is it looks
<v Speaker 2>pretty legit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a nice one. It better be for how
<v Speaker 1>much it costs. It does turn on and light up,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't have batteries in.
<v Speaker 2>It right, So you just got to use your imagination.
<v Speaker 2>You know the sounds it makes of course, of course
<v Speaker 2>the famous sounds. And apparently Christmas has come early because
<v Speaker 2>Eric is our own resident Santa clause. I like to
<v Speaker 2>think you're off season, Stanta, like you're not, You're not
<v Speaker 2>ready yet, You're kind of like chilling at home, ye, Santa.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm Santa gear enough for the season. So girls
<v Speaker 3>home may may know that I moved recently from Austin
<v Speaker 3>up here to Minneapolis, so I'm still largely in boxes
<v Speaker 3>up here, so getting a costume together was not super
<v Speaker 3>on my my timetable.
<v Speaker 4>So for the.
<v Speaker 3>Actual Halloween party that I will be attending, I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to wrap myself in boxes and wrapping paper and stuff
<v Speaker 3>like that. The joke will be that I have just
<v Speaker 3>moved here. That is my costume. But I didn't want
<v Speaker 3>to do that for the pod because it would have
<v Speaker 3>taken like way too long and then I would have
<v Speaker 3>had to undo all the packing tape and stuff that's
<v Speaker 3>going to take to do that. So instead I found
<v Speaker 3>this Santa hat that says peace, love and wine on it.
<v Speaker 3>It is my my wine, Santa I love. That's That's
<v Speaker 3>what I've opted for.
<v Speaker 2>I love that you just moved to your unpacking. You
<v Speaker 2>got to prioritize what do I need right away? And
<v Speaker 2>I like that that made the cut.
<v Speaker 4>Wine Santa Hat has got to come out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, here to have TV Santa Hat, consoles, clothes.
<v Speaker 3>I guess I still have all my retro games like
<v Speaker 3>in boxes. Is just completely packed up, taped and everything.
<v Speaker 3>But no, Wine, sayant A Hat came out?
<v Speaker 2>Of course you didn't. You don't have to explain yourself. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's just your personality.
<v Speaker 1>Christmas. Yeah, yeah, Well, thanks for watching everybody. Before we
<v Speaker 1>jump into what will be a great Halloween themed episode
<v Speaker 1>of the show, we're gonna be talking about the seance
<v Speaker 1>of Blake Manner, of brand new and very spooky puzzle
<v Speaker 1>game that Eric and I have been playing and enjoying
<v Speaker 1>and are excited to dive into here, and then we're
<v Speaker 1>gonna spend the bulk of the show just talking about
<v Speaker 1>our favorite horror games, because again, it's the spooky time
<v Speaker 1>of year, this is the best time of year to
<v Speaker 1>play some games that's scared the pants off of you.
<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna be going around the horror talking about
<v Speaker 1>what horror games scared us the most, which ones do
<v Speaker 1>we think maybe maybe the best horror games of all time?
<v Speaker 1>Who knows, but it should be a fun discussion. I'm
<v Speaker 1>a big horror guy, so I'm excited to hear what
<v Speaker 1>you guys think about the horror genre and what your
<v Speaker 1>favorite picks are before we dive into that. But of course,
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Actually it's funny you have to like you have
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I say with dragons, that makes way more sense.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, both things are true, it turned out, but yes,
<v Speaker 1>let's let's get into it. The seance of Blake Matter
<v Speaker 1>a game that I would wager until maybe last week
<v Speaker 1>not neither of us on his call were aware of either,
<v Speaker 1>maybe at all. And then we started seeing some yeah,
<v Speaker 1>some scuttle but online of people being really excited about
<v Speaker 1>We saw like Jason Schreier was tweeting saying like, Hey,
<v Speaker 1>this game's incredible. This is maybe it's going to be
<v Speaker 1>in my top ten. Might be goady material. You guys
<v Speaker 1>need to check this out. I saw Daniel Dwyer no
<v Speaker 1>clip talking about it, did a whole video highlighting how
<v Speaker 1>cool this game is. And Eric, you and I have
<v Speaker 1>been playing a few hours of it. Kyle, have you
<v Speaker 1>started yet at all? No?
<v Speaker 2>I haven't. I haven't really dug into it. I'm kind
<v Speaker 2>of looking at trailers and stuff while you guys tell
<v Speaker 2>me more about it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the premise is that it's a it's a new
<v Speaker 1>sort of like what do we call these games out
<v Speaker 1>like investigation puzzle games? Uh?
<v Speaker 4>Solve them ups? Uh, you know, solve them.
<v Speaker 1>That's good.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the vein of something like a like a
<v Speaker 1>root trees or dead or like an Oberden, a case
<v Speaker 1>of a golden Idol, It's like it's in that sort
<v Speaker 1>of family of puzzle games, uh, detective games. Maybe you could.
<v Speaker 3>Even say, yeah, yeah, mystery games and and I think
<v Speaker 3>they share a lot of commonality with games that go
<v Speaker 3>way way back, you go to things like mist and
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. I think you're gonna shine a lot
<v Speaker 3>of through lines there. I would say this is more
<v Speaker 3>of an Oberden. But the thing I'm liking about it
<v Speaker 3>is that it's not as reliant on you making every
<v Speaker 3>single connection. There are a lot of like sign posts
<v Speaker 3>and guides that help with a lot of the deduction
<v Speaker 3>to help get you there to the point that I
<v Speaker 3>think Obradin for a lot of people was bounced them
<v Speaker 3>off a little bit with how tough it could be
<v Speaker 3>at times, and this one feels a lot more manageable,
<v Speaker 3>but not any less rewarding. And I think it's really
<v Speaker 3>interesting that managed to strike that even divide of being
<v Speaker 3>a detective game that is not going to hurt your
<v Speaker 3>brain to solve as much as something like even a Blueprints,
<v Speaker 3>which Blueprints is probably one of my favorite games this year,
<v Speaker 3>but definitely a lot of people felt a little bounced
<v Speaker 3>by how how difficult that can be to put that
<v Speaker 3>game together and piece together what's trying to get you
<v Speaker 3>to figure out?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Eric, you've played a bit more than I have,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to toss it to you. Can you
<v Speaker 1>explain to the lovely viewers? What is the seance of
<v Speaker 1>Blake Man or what's the what's the premise of this thing?
<v Speaker 1>It's a very Agatha Christie game, is what I would say.
<v Speaker 1>Is you are a detective that has been commissioned by
<v Speaker 1>an unknown party to go to this manor where Evelyn
<v Speaker 1>has disappeared, Evelyn Dean I believe, and you show up.
<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, I cannot emphasize Agatha Christy enough. It
<v Speaker 1>is so in that vein.
<v Speaker 3>But it has a very comic book style to it,
<v Speaker 3>like a very dramatic stylized style to it.
<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of old pulp serials.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the art direction, Yeah, it's got kind of a
<v Speaker 2>self shaded look too, which seems pretty cool. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very distinct art style, and it even
<v Speaker 3>does a lot of the kind of panel cut ins
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that for very dramatic moments that work
<v Speaker 3>super super well. You arrive and again you don't know
<v Speaker 3>who has contracted you, but you do know that a
<v Speaker 3>lot of spiritualists, magicians, healers, sort of alternative medicine folks
<v Speaker 3>are all gathering in this one manner that has kind
<v Speaker 3>of been converted from a mansion to a hotel of
<v Speaker 3>sorts for a seance. There's going to be a seance
<v Speaker 3>where rather than speaking to the dead through a medium
<v Speaker 3>or through a oisia board or something like that, they're
<v Speaker 3>apparently just going to summon ghosts and talk directly to
<v Speaker 3>the ghosts. And that's a big deal, and so.
<v Speaker 1>It is like a regular thing that happens apparently.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, this is this is a thing that is
<v Speaker 3>big in their world. And they're all it's their E three,
<v Speaker 3>it's ghost and they are a couple of years ago.
<v Speaker 2>Is what you're saying, and it's not coming, and then
<v Speaker 2>are trying to you should probably.
<v Speaker 1>Put out to this takes place. I think like eighteen
<v Speaker 1>ninety seven.
<v Speaker 3>Ireland, Ireland, and that is actually very important to the story. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>they really lean into the history of Ireland, of that
<v Speaker 3>land and kind of what happened to it as wars
<v Speaker 3>were waged and people take ownership of that lands.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like.
<v Speaker 1>Post potato famine, I think, like, yes, it's like references
<v Speaker 1>of like, yeah, this wasn't that long ago, so we're
<v Speaker 1>like parts of the country is though very much recovering
<v Speaker 1>from that.
<v Speaker 3>There's there's a character that can meet who's basically a
<v Speaker 3>druid who has some some pretty strong thoughts about the
<v Speaker 3>way that people comport themselves on the land and all that.
<v Speaker 3>And it's really really good in that sense, an incredibly
<v Speaker 3>well written game. But as you go through it, you
<v Speaker 3>basically are trying to figure out what happened to Evelyn,
<v Speaker 3>and in the process, it is heavily intimated that you
<v Speaker 3>might need to solve other people's mysteries too, in order
<v Speaker 3>to protect them from danger imminent danger. There's some bad portence.
<v Speaker 3>You get the sense that maybe what happens at the
<v Speaker 3>end of this time a lot you have is knock
<v Speaker 3>going to end well for everybody, and that you might
<v Speaker 3>want to try and figure out a way to convince
<v Speaker 3>them all like, hey, this is like a bad idea.
<v Speaker 4>So you're doing that.
<v Speaker 3>But every action you take, well most actions you take
<v Speaker 3>eat a minute, and you have only a certain amount
<v Speaker 3>of time in the day. People will move throughout the
<v Speaker 3>manner and around the grounds at different parts of the day. It's,
<v Speaker 3>you know, to use a very blunt comparison, it's very
<v Speaker 3>maj Or's mask in that way, where you have a
<v Speaker 3>certain set amount of time to do things and you
<v Speaker 3>have to work within those bounds, and you can run
<v Speaker 3>out of time early on. There are a few deadlines
<v Speaker 3>that the game gives you that say, hey, if you
<v Speaker 3>don't do X by this time, I'm going to like
<v Speaker 3>call you a fraud in front of it. I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to use it like a fake example, but I'm going
<v Speaker 3>to like allege that you are a fraud in front
<v Speaker 3>of everybody, and it will ruin your reputation in this
<v Speaker 3>manner and all that stuff like that, where there are
<v Speaker 3>time pressures, but I feel like it's also very lenient
<v Speaker 3>in that where the time is just meant to encourage
<v Speaker 3>you to be thoughtful and meaningful and intentional with what
<v Speaker 3>you do, and then also bake those moments where you
<v Speaker 3>have a little bit more freedom to say like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>now I want to go back and want to check
<v Speaker 3>on that thing where I couldn't check on it before
<v Speaker 3>because I was just rushing to get this one deadline done.
<v Speaker 3>It's a really really interesting game. It's really tightly crafted,
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's deceptively interesting. I know that sounds
<v Speaker 3>like very strange to say, but it's like start a
<v Speaker 3>party crazy to say. Yeah, it seems like it's it
<v Speaker 3>seems like it's one thing on its face, and it
<v Speaker 3>goes a lot deeper than I expected it too. With that,
<v Speaker 3>it does a lot more with the concept because I
<v Speaker 3>think at first, I was just expecting an Obradin and
<v Speaker 3>I was just expecting this to be you walk around,
<v Speaker 3>you check things off of a box, you do logic puzzles.
<v Speaker 3>That's not to you know, say that obrat Din is
<v Speaker 3>a simple game either. But I expected this to just
<v Speaker 3>be you show up, you solve the mystery, you take
<v Speaker 3>care of things, and there have been a lot of
<v Speaker 3>really good games in that genre. But I think what
<v Speaker 3>this game is doing that's a little bit different is
<v Speaker 3>it's just playing with the idea of things around you.
<v Speaker 3>Changing and you having to adapt to them, this sort
<v Speaker 3>of timeline that you have to stick to, that it's
<v Speaker 3>not just important that you do something, it's important when
<v Speaker 3>you do something, and that certain openings can occur when
<v Speaker 3>people are off doing things. So I had to start
<v Speaker 3>noting that, oh, I want to talk to this person,
<v Speaker 3>but they're only going to be available to talk to
<v Speaker 3>between these hours, and so it actually becomes import and
<v Speaker 3>in conversations to talk to people and be like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>what are your plans for this weekend? Like what are
<v Speaker 3>you doing?
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's like yeah, like I found a schedule,
<v Speaker 1>Like here's everyone that works here, and there are times
<v Speaker 1>and like the character main characters like, yeah, this is
<v Speaker 1>going to be really important. Then you eventually get a
<v Speaker 1>map that just kind of shows you where everyone is
<v Speaker 1>in the manner at a certain time, Like you just
<v Speaker 1>kind of see their their icon in different rooms. You
<v Speaker 1>can kind of like in your like visualize, Okay, here's
<v Speaker 1>what they are. Now. They're going to go somewhere else
<v Speaker 1>at some point, So I need to work around kind
<v Speaker 1>of where everyone is currently and the advancement of time
<v Speaker 1>with touch On, cause it's not it's not timed in
<v Speaker 1>the traditional sense. Like there isn't like a timer counting down.
<v Speaker 1>It's like every action you do spends a minute of time.
<v Speaker 1>So like, yeah, the first mission kind of runs down
<v Speaker 1>it where like you get to the manor and you
<v Speaker 1>have one hour to sort of like get like an
<v Speaker 1>initial sense of like where Evelyn is, and so like
<v Speaker 1>you arrive at eleven pm, you have until midnight before
<v Speaker 1>you have to check into your room, and so every
<v Speaker 1>time you inspect something, it spends one minute of time.
<v Speaker 1>So minutes are almost like limited action is like you
<v Speaker 1>technically have sixty actions that you can do before the
<v Speaker 1>game is going to force you to move forward regardless
<v Speaker 1>sort of like of where you are at. So you
<v Speaker 1>can like interact with most everything. There's like a like
<v Speaker 1>a detective vision style thing that kind of highlights all
<v Speaker 1>the interactable objects in a room, but at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>not everything matters. Like you can look at like a
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff and it'll you know, he'll comment on it,
<v Speaker 1>but it won't update, like sort of like your web
<v Speaker 1>or like you have like a flow chart of information
<v Speaker 1>and like an evidence board, and so you kind of
<v Speaker 1>like Eric Roseen, you'd be really thoughtful because you can
<v Speaker 1>very quickly get into the habit of like I'm going
<v Speaker 1>to open and look at everything, and then you look
<v Speaker 1>at the clock and realize, oh, I just looked at
<v Speaker 1>thirty things, so that means it's now eleven thirty. I
<v Speaker 1>have thirty actions left, and I have not really gotten
<v Speaker 1>closer to the main goal here.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, on a path to an objective. And you start
<v Speaker 3>talking to a character because you're like, oh, I've I
<v Speaker 3>actually haven't talked to this character yet. I should like
<v Speaker 3>talk to them and start to get to know them.
<v Speaker 3>And then you realize, oh, I've been in this conversation
<v Speaker 3>for like twenty minutes, and the conversation spends time too. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>everything you ask them spends a minute analyzing them too,
<v Speaker 3>which is very important. It gets you a lot of
<v Speaker 3>good conversation topics. And you do kind of the Sherlock
<v Speaker 3>Holmes thing of being like, Okay, I see that his
<v Speaker 3>hands are shaking and he has a chipped eye piece,
<v Speaker 3>and so I should probably ask about that to learn
<v Speaker 3>more about him and profile him. But in the process,
<v Speaker 3>like analyzing does take a minute, and which is very
<v Speaker 3>funny to imagine someone just staring at you for a minute,
<v Speaker 3>just like slowly looking you over and being like.
<v Speaker 2>You, uh, you.
<v Speaker 4>Shake a lot. I cannot imagine anything more.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I cannot imagine anything that would strike more anxiety
<v Speaker 3>into my heart. But it's that's what I think I
<v Speaker 3>mean by deceptively interesting, which is a very bad way
<v Speaker 3>to phrase it. It's more that it's a lot deeper
<v Speaker 3>than it peers at first, and also it's a lot
<v Speaker 3>more interested in the way you do things. There's something
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to spoil that happens early on where
<v Speaker 3>you have to make a choice just about how you
<v Speaker 3>kind of enter and leave an area, and it can
<v Speaker 3>affect the way that characters act around you when you
<v Speaker 3>do it, and it's a really really cool moment of
<v Speaker 3>the game telegraphing to you, Hey, it doesn't just matter
<v Speaker 3>that you go and kind of do the collectthon. I'll,
<v Speaker 3>you know, go pick up all the evidence pieces. I
<v Speaker 3>think I dislike when mystery games do that, where it
<v Speaker 3>feels like you're taking what is potentially the really interesting
<v Speaker 3>part of solving a mystery and turning it into like
<v Speaker 3>a rare Nintendo sixty four game or so, like, just
<v Speaker 3>pick up everything that's on the ground. Just get everything
<v Speaker 3>that's on the ground, and you'll be fine. It's like, No,
<v Speaker 3>I think there's the intentionality, the constraints, the time limits,
<v Speaker 3>the feeling that you can fail is important to a
<v Speaker 3>lot of these games and really helps drive them forward
<v Speaker 3>in an interesting way. And so having those moments of
<v Speaker 3>of the game noticing that you did something and responding
<v Speaker 3>in kind or saying, Okay, you need to talk to
<v Speaker 3>somebody right right now.
<v Speaker 1>In where I'm at.
<v Speaker 3>In the game, I have the thing that I need
<v Speaker 3>to solve a certain trunk, like a certain character's predicament.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where they are and I don't have
<v Speaker 3>them on my itenterary. I don't know like where they're
<v Speaker 3>supposed to be. And the manner's pretty big. It's a
<v Speaker 3>pretty large manner, and I'm running around it and I'm
<v Speaker 3>seeing stuff like I'm seeing characters that was not able
<v Speaker 3>to talk to prior. I'm seeing people that I'm like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>I should go say something to them. I have something
<v Speaker 3>for them, but I can't burn minutes on it right now,
<v Speaker 3>and so I need to play that game. In my
<v Speaker 3>head of do I want to spend time on this?
<v Speaker 3>Do I think it's safe for me to spend time
<v Speaker 3>on this, Will this other character's story advance? Further and
<v Speaker 3>start to create problems for me that I didn't expect
<v Speaker 3>would come up. And I think that's the really really
<v Speaker 3>interesting part of this game. It reminds me it's a
<v Speaker 3>close show now. But there was a production in New
<v Speaker 3>York called Sleep No More that was a live action
<v Speaker 3>stage play that took place in a building and you
<v Speaker 3>would go in and yeah, everybody, they act out the
<v Speaker 3>play across all these different floors and sets and stuff
<v Speaker 3>like that, and the audience wears these like crazy like
<v Speaker 3>plague doctor masks, and you are explicitly you don't talk.
<v Speaker 3>You don't speak, you don't discuss things with each other.
<v Speaker 3>You walk and you don't touch anything, but you just
<v Speaker 3>observe as everything happens around you, and you can go
<v Speaker 3>where you want, and different things are happening in different
<v Speaker 3>places the entire time. It's like it's kind of like
<v Speaker 3>a video game in a weird way, but it's in
<v Speaker 3>a stage played setting and you basically get to just
<v Speaker 3>walk where you want to and see this play out
<v Speaker 3>and it loops several times. And so when I went
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, really, I got the chance to
<v Speaker 3>do this. You end up just finding characters and being
<v Speaker 3>like really interested in what this character is doing, and
<v Speaker 3>so you have moments where that character has a really
<v Speaker 3>dramatic interaction with another character and they both storm off,
<v Speaker 3>and you have a split second moment where you're like
<v Speaker 3>do I stay here? Do I chase after them? And
<v Speaker 3>it leads to a lot of really cool emotions where
<v Speaker 3>you have to make that gut reaction because if you
<v Speaker 3>don't react, they're going to run away and you just
<v Speaker 3>lost the thread. But maybe you want to stay here
<v Speaker 3>with this new character. This game hits a lot of
<v Speaker 3>those points. This game like gets that right in a
<v Speaker 3>lot of ways, in ways that I don't always see
<v Speaker 3>video games manage to accomplish, even though the concept I'm
<v Speaker 3>describing as very video gamy in its design, and I
<v Speaker 3>find that really really fascinating. And also, this is like
<v Speaker 3>a good scary game. I've been jump scared several times.
<v Speaker 1>I think that's something to point out, like this is
<v Speaker 1>a great Halloween game because it's got not only just
<v Speaker 1>like a spooky atmosphere, like you're in this creepy, strange
<v Speaker 1>manner and you're dealing with like you know, spiritualism and stuff,
<v Speaker 1>but there are like legit it scares and you're like,
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's things that happen where like like like freaky
<v Speaker 1>things start happening as you're doing investigations where you're kind
<v Speaker 1>of like it can put you on edge a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>And I liked that about it. It's weird because like
<v Speaker 1>Eric and I were I were talking about this game
<v Speaker 1>and saying how it's like it's like a weirdly cozy
<v Speaker 1>experience for us, because like, yes, we like these kind
<v Speaker 1>of games like Root Trees Are Dead. I is in
<v Speaker 1>my top ten for the year, Like I love these
<v Speaker 1>kind of games, and they are like a weirdly kind
<v Speaker 1>of like comfort food for me of just sitting in
<v Speaker 1>front of the cute at the computer, like late at night,
<v Speaker 1>maybe like raining outside with like a nice cup of
<v Speaker 1>coffee and just feeling like a detective for a few hours, like, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna got all my clues here, I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 1>talk to this weird guy and look him up and
<v Speaker 1>down and see what's going on with him. And then
<v Speaker 1>you know, putting two and two together.
<v Speaker 2>But now you have to kind of the added thing
<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, there's like a I think I just
<v Speaker 2>saw like a weird like an apparition out of know where, and.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to make it.
<v Speaker 3>I saw something in the corner of my vision and
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it was, but when I turned
<v Speaker 3>to look at it disappeared like, Yeah, there's a lot
<v Speaker 3>of that in this, and I think it plays its
<v Speaker 3>hand very well with that too, where I never felt
<v Speaker 3>there was only one time where I like jumped and
<v Speaker 3>just like had a reaction. Every other time it's been oh,
<v Speaker 3>this is just you know, spine tangling. It's bone chilling.
<v Speaker 3>But it's not like, you know, it's more mood. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's not five Nights of Freddy's where you're just gonna
<v Speaker 3>get jump scared. I really, I really like that about it.
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, to your point, this is cozy because there's
<v Speaker 3>something about seeing the sort of logic of it all
<v Speaker 3>and I think the game, I think Seance at Blake
<v Speaker 3>Manner and the team behind it really understood. There's a
<v Speaker 3>very cozy logic to this where you learn something like again,
<v Speaker 3>I'll use a fake example like the killer wore a
<v Speaker 3>gold watch, and so you can say like, okay, well
<v Speaker 3>who has a gold watch and who doesn't have a
<v Speaker 3>gold watch, and you can start to be like okay,
<v Speaker 3>this that you start playing the guess who game of Okay,
<v Speaker 3>well he ball, but he had a curly mustache and
<v Speaker 3>all that, And there is like a very cozy logic
<v Speaker 3>to that that I think especially for people you know,
<v Speaker 3>who want something just a little bit more relaxing to
<v Speaker 3>sit back. It is like a little logic puzzle, and
<v Speaker 3>those are very relaxing to me at least.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I'm excited to play more of it.
<v Speaker 1>I've not looked up like how long it is or
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I kind of I'm curious, but I also
<v Speaker 1>kind of don't want to know, but I'm trying to
<v Speaker 1>squeeze it in in the midst of all the like
<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred games that we're trying to cramp through for
<v Speaker 1>Game of a Year right now.
<v Speaker 3>I have a sneaking suspicion about this game that I
<v Speaker 3>don't know if I should voice, so maybe I won't,
<v Speaker 3>But I do have the sense that maybe this is
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily a game that wants you to replay it,
<v Speaker 3>but a game that wants you to go back with information,
<v Speaker 3>if that makes sense. It's kind of reminding me a
<v Speaker 3>little bit of games like nine nine to nine and
<v Speaker 3>zeros late, like the Zeroscape series in that way, and hey,
<v Speaker 3>that's also scratching an itch for me, so.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what a seance of Blake Manner everyone. It's
<v Speaker 1>available now on PC only, but check it out. It
<v Speaker 1>seems like a great option to play during this, uh,
<v Speaker 1>the scariest time of year. And speaking of scary things, guys,
<v Speaker 1>we love us some horror games over here, at least
<v Speaker 1>with this panel, am I ride. We love being scared
<v Speaker 1>playing video games, and I want to talk about some
<v Speaker 1>of our favorite horror games of all time. And I
<v Speaker 1>kind of want to start with this might be like
<v Speaker 1>like a two prong question, but you might have the
<v Speaker 1>same answer for both, but sort of like what was
<v Speaker 1>the first horror game that you each remember playing? And
<v Speaker 1>what was the first time you remember like being visibly
<v Speaker 1>or like maybe not visibly actively scared in a video
<v Speaker 1>game if it's different than the first horror game that
<v Speaker 1>you played. Hm, Because for me, like in early like
<v Speaker 1>the first of what I would consider playing like a
<v Speaker 1>true horror game to my memory would have been the
<v Speaker 1>original Resident Evil. I remember playing that at a friend's
<v Speaker 1>house because he had it, and I'll never forget inviting
<v Speaker 1>me over and asking me like, hey, have you heard
<v Speaker 1>of Resident Evil? And that's what he sounded like as
<v Speaker 1>a fifth grader, just like he smoked a pack of
<v Speaker 1>cigarettes and I was like, no, it is this and
<v Speaker 1>he we played like the first like probably like in hindsight,
<v Speaker 1>like the middle of the game, like maybe the early middle.
<v Speaker 1>He just loaded up safe that he was, you know,
<v Speaker 1>in products going through and I saw like the Dog's section,
<v Speaker 1>like the jump the dog jumping through the windows, really
<v Speaker 1>famous section, and like freaking out, and I remember being
<v Speaker 1>like scared out of my mind, but it was like
<v Speaker 1>that awkward thing where you don't want to be scared
<v Speaker 1>in front of your friends, so you're like you're trying
<v Speaker 1>to keep it cool like next to him, but in
<v Speaker 1>my mind, like I've never seen anything like this. It's
<v Speaker 1>like half of me wants to like like to earn
<v Speaker 1>the game off and be like this is too much,
<v Speaker 1>But then the other half of me is like, what
<v Speaker 1>is There's something cool about this? I think it's like
<v Speaker 1>having an awakening of like I think I like this,
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually borrowing it from him. And that's how
<v Speaker 1>I played the first Residvil for the first time, but
<v Speaker 1>the first time I can remember being actively scared in
<v Speaker 1>a game. I don't know if this would be considered
<v Speaker 1>a horror game in the way that the movie that
<v Speaker 1>this game is based on, whether or not it's considered
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie. But I played the Jurassic Park game
<v Speaker 1>for sake of Genesis. I think it's just yeah, okay,
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay.
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you guys aren't agreement here, because I was like,
<v Speaker 2>do I sound silly saying that this game scared me?
<v Speaker 1>Because I remember playing.
<v Speaker 2>It super scary, Well okay, maybe not super sick, Definitely
<v Speaker 2>a scared, definitely a creepy.
<v Speaker 1>Game for sure.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Jurassic Park is a horror movie, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean we kind of almost don't think of it
<v Speaker 2>that way anymore, but you know.
<v Speaker 1>I still don't know if I could see it if.
<v Speaker 1>I always think of it of like an action adventure
<v Speaker 1>movie that is scary at times.
<v Speaker 3>I think of Jurassic Park as this. This might sound
<v Speaker 3>really crazy.
<v Speaker 4>It's like a.
<v Speaker 3>Young adults, not maybe kids, but like I think of
<v Speaker 3>it in that sense where I feel like all of
<v Speaker 3>us watch Jurassic Park at an age before it was
<v Speaker 3>theoretically intended for us to watch Jurassic Park. But I
<v Speaker 3>also feel like that's the age when you probably should watch.
<v Speaker 3>Jurassic Park is about ten to twelve is where most
<v Speaker 3>people saw that movie, and it was like, oh, this
<v Speaker 3>is there's dinosaurs everywhere and stuff like that. But it's also,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, loses some of its luster when you're older.
<v Speaker 3>It's not quite as as creepy and scary the velociraptors are. Well,
<v Speaker 3>it probably would be nowadays.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot of scary scenes in them.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you guys, it's just so or like I mean,
<v Speaker 2>because the perspective of child right and now, I was
<v Speaker 2>like her, no, I know what I'm saying as a parent,
<v Speaker 2>Like I showed it to her like as a hey,
<v Speaker 2>this is your introduction to scary movies, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>there's like a lot of scary sequences in that movie.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think I would call Jurassic Park it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like a slasher but with dinosaurs.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's weird because modern Jurassic Park feels very
<v Speaker 3>just generic action movie where it's like the stores are
<v Speaker 3>going to battle each other. I almost called it a
<v Speaker 3>battle anime, which is like maybe not too far off,
<v Speaker 3>but the indoor raptor is vegeta or whatever. But uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I think original Jurassic Park is probably it is a
<v Speaker 3>really good first thriller, first scary movie.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I had a phase where I had nightmares about velociraptors
<v Speaker 1>the first time I saw Jurassic Park. Like I had
<v Speaker 1>the same nightmare of a raptor being in my house
<v Speaker 1>and finding me hiding under the covers of my bed
<v Speaker 1>and like killing me with his big hook his hook
<v Speaker 1>foot or whatever. But that was all to say that
<v Speaker 1>the really the intro to the Pega Genesis Jurassic Park
<v Speaker 1>game scared beat.
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, remember shows the gate right, and it's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, yeah, No. I played the kind of
<v Speaker 2>recently because what was it lined run like re released
<v Speaker 2>them like the whole Jurassic Park yeah right, And I
<v Speaker 2>like sat down and played because I have a lot
<v Speaker 2>of good memories though, and I played through them and
<v Speaker 2>then I was again playing just I was playing with
<v Speaker 2>my daughter and I gave her the controller to play
<v Speaker 2>as Alan Grant, you know in the in the Jurassic
<v Speaker 2>Park Genesis game, and I told her at the time,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, if you beat this tonight, I'll give
<v Speaker 2>you I'll give you fifty dollars because that game is
<v Speaker 2>like impossible. She was not able to do it, unfortunately,
<v Speaker 2>but she got further than I expected. It. Were sweating
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of why, oh crap, No I would
<v Speaker 2>if she dude, if she beat it, I'll totally give
<v Speaker 2>that up. Man, you could. But it was just funny
<v Speaker 2>to like. I was like, I just want to see
<v Speaker 2>if you can do it, and I want to give
<v Speaker 2>you a little incentive. You know, it is the start
<v Speaker 2>of the sports like Prestige film. Yeah, but yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>I that that game's creepy, you know what I was thinking.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, because my my answer, Marcus is resumeble too.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>That was the first one I sat down and played to.
<v Speaker 2>I played the N sixty four version. But in terms
<v Speaker 2>of like being creeped out by a video game, I
<v Speaker 2>think my first samples would probably have to be missed.
<v Speaker 2>And the PC adaptation of Rendezvous with Rama, which I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you guys are familiar with this, but
<v Speaker 2>there's like it's like an Arthur's c. Clark book about
<v Speaker 2>an alien ship just showing up near Earth and in
<v Speaker 2>the novel they just send a bunch of astronauts to
<v Speaker 2>explore it, and the book is just about like they
<v Speaker 2>don't know what this thing is, they just enter it.
<v Speaker 2>It's very cool book. I read it kind of recently
<v Speaker 2>for the first time through, but there was like a
<v Speaker 2>PC point and click game for that, which is like
<v Speaker 2>it's a different era, but that that's it's a creepy
<v Speaker 2>idea of just like entering just this alien this empty
<v Speaker 2>alien ship that just happens to be kind of like
<v Speaker 2>going by Earth, you know. So that's that's my first
<v Speaker 2>memories of being like like creeped out by a game.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Resuable two was the one I played through
<v Speaker 2>and beat and and the liquor jumping through the two.
<v Speaker 1>Way mirror in therogation.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my.
<v Speaker 2>Brother always describes it. He was like in another room
<v Speaker 2>and he just heard me kind of playing and you know,
<v Speaker 2>the footsteps of resid Evil, and then he heard a
<v Speaker 2>crash and I just went like ah, and then I
<v Speaker 2>just like her he heard like gunshots and then I
<v Speaker 2>was like, I was like, ah, just be goes the
<v Speaker 2>crap out of me. He just like heard that from
<v Speaker 2>the other room, just like, you know what.
<v Speaker 1>I'm disappointed. And so currently, if you're watching our super
<v Speaker 1>replay a Resident Evil outbreak, we had our first encounter
<v Speaker 1>with a liquor not too long ago, and they teased
<v Speaker 1>a window break that I felt was like, Oh, because
<v Speaker 1>it's resident evil, you have to have something jump through
<v Speaker 1>a window at a certain point because you see a
<v Speaker 1>liquor crawl outside the window. Like they have a nice
<v Speaker 1>shot where you're inside this hotel and a shot of
<v Speaker 1>like just it's it's panned out enough where you can
<v Speaker 1>see the liquor crawl down in the window that you're
<v Speaker 1>in front of, and you're like, oh, this is coming.
<v Speaker 1>And then it just appears in the hallway, just on
<v Speaker 1>a wall. And I was like, oh, you could have.
<v Speaker 1>I thought we were gonna get something there, But okay,
<v Speaker 1>what about you, Eric.
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, it's funny you mentioned the older
<v Speaker 3>PC pointing clicks because my earliest experience with Horror was
<v Speaker 3>The Seventh Guest. My mom actually really love that game. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and uh so my my dad would play Quake and
<v Speaker 3>Command and Conquer and stuff like that. My mom would
<v Speaker 3>play The Seventh Guest on our PC and that game,
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't say it was really scary, but was definitely moody.
<v Speaker 3>Was definitely like like there was a vibe to the manner. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>And I remember all the puzzles just being darn near
<v Speaker 3>impossible for my very small brain.
<v Speaker 2>That was when I played at like not a friend's house,
<v Speaker 2>but a parent's friend's house, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>where like there were no other kids there, so they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>why don't you send your kids off in the dark
<v Speaker 2>little computer room and they could play Seventh Guest and
<v Speaker 2>I remember.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a wholesome kids game. Yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I played the VR adaptation a little bit recently, which
<v Speaker 2>was cool, which is like just I'm glad that exists,
<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't one that I played for more than
<v Speaker 2>like a like a thirty minutes or so.
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine for VR.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a it is a full remake they
<v Speaker 2>did all the FMVs that got new actors in and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's cool. It's a cool project. You know.
<v Speaker 3>FMV is back in vogue and it's kind of awesome honestly,
<v Speaker 3>like like people are doing obviously Sam Barlow's been doing
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff. Imagine we'll be talking about Sam
<v Speaker 3>Barlow's work in just a little bit here, But like
<v Speaker 3>FMV games broadly are like back and it's really fun
<v Speaker 3>to see what's being made in that space. But I
<v Speaker 3>think for my first scare, this is going to be
<v Speaker 3>really weird. So obviously everyone here has played Super Mario
<v Speaker 3>sixty four.
<v Speaker 1>Correct this.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a specific noise that happens if you try
<v Speaker 3>to jump into a painting or a door that you're
<v Speaker 3>not supposed to be able to get into yet, where
<v Speaker 3>Bowser kicks you back out and he goes ha ha ha,
<v Speaker 3>and it when I was, when I was a tiny kid,
<v Speaker 3>scared the Jesus out of me. Like it was there
<v Speaker 3>was something haunting about that echoee laugh that just infiltrated
<v Speaker 3>my nightmares.
<v Speaker 4>Could not get it out of my head. Uh, yeah,
<v Speaker 4>that was that was That was bad.
<v Speaker 2>So I thought you were played piano. Oh I could
<v Speaker 2>see the piano. I didn't really play much.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I.
<v Speaker 3>Was at a Mario sixty four guy, like like my
<v Speaker 3>brother played a little bit more. My dad played a
<v Speaker 3>lot more. I was never I've never been a platformer guy.
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why.
<v Speaker 3>Just never worked for me, But maybe it was that
<v Speaker 3>maybe Bowser just bounced me out of the genre forever
<v Speaker 3>with that laugh.
<v Speaker 1>Kyle, was there a point where you thought Majors Masks
<v Speaker 1>was the scariest thing ever? Because doing that super replay
<v Speaker 1>with you and having that be my my first, like
<v Speaker 1>ever play through of the original version of that game.
<v Speaker 1>There was so much just imagery in there. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>if I was a kid in two thousand, terrified me
<v Speaker 1>some of the things I'm seeing in this game.
<v Speaker 2>That's you. Sorry, Marcus, it's just had a sneeze. Yeah, No,
<v Speaker 2>Majora's Mask creeped me out for sure because it's like
<v Speaker 2>tonally just like overall a dark game, you know. But
<v Speaker 2>the if I'm thinking of Zelda, it's actually the Graveyard
<v Speaker 2>dungeon from Oquery of Time. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>remember with the big boss like hitting the bongos and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like where you're like you actually fight the boss. Like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that was scarier individually to me because of the rest
<v Speaker 2>of the game is kind of light around that one sequence.
<v Speaker 2>But Majora's Mask overall is just had like the beginning
<v Speaker 2>of that game with the happy mask salesman being so
<v Speaker 2>creepy and like it's so dream like in the beginning. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there's definitely like it's just creepy, but like Ockery of
<v Speaker 2>Time had moments that really like like singular moments that
<v Speaker 2>scared me. I guess you could say.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess going off the sort of the threat
<v Speaker 1>of not horror games that wind up being scary, like
<v Speaker 1>the original Metal Gear Solid the Cycle. Mansa's fight creeped
<v Speaker 1>me out as a kid, Like it's weird to think
<v Speaker 1>back to a time when you didn't know that he
<v Speaker 1>would do to things that he would do because it's
<v Speaker 1>become so well known now and a lot of people
<v Speaker 1>play it now for the first time. Kind of maybe
<v Speaker 1>going in knowing it that's gonna happen, just because of
<v Speaker 1>cultural atmosis, but as a kid that got it pretty
<v Speaker 1>much at launch and just no idea, never seen anything
<v Speaker 1>like that. And again like reading the memory card doing
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff with the control, like it.
<v Speaker 2>Feels like you're jealous distinctly because I knew about it
<v Speaker 2>going in, So I wish I had had that experience. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>did he read your memory card? Did you have anything
<v Speaker 2>on there?
<v Speaker 1>I had Symphony the night?
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh perfect, Yeah, that's awesome, excellent.
<v Speaker 1>So it was like, it feels like your systems like possessed,
<v Speaker 1>like genuinely when you don't know what's happening and you're
<v Speaker 1>also a.
<v Speaker 2>Child, I can't imagine I, like I said, I'm jealous.
<v Speaker 2>I wish I had played the way that way.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm a little surprised I didn't just like
<v Speaker 1>chuck my controller at the screen like I think I
<v Speaker 1>was scared, but I had enough sense to be like,
<v Speaker 1>I think this is supposed to happen, even though I've
<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like this ever and anything, but I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure this is this is intended, because I get easy.
<v Speaker 1>There has to be stores of someone that legit like
<v Speaker 1>chuck their placetation out the window.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's kind of how I felt about the
<v Speaker 2>end of Metal Your Solid too, like true, where I
<v Speaker 2>was kind of like, I don't this almost feels like
<v Speaker 2>something is like outside of the video game here, you
<v Speaker 2>know if like I was, I really gave myself over
<v Speaker 2>to the end of Metal yourselid to the first time
<v Speaker 2>I played it, and it freaked me out in a
<v Speaker 2>way that I was like.
<v Speaker 1>This is incredible. The line where we won't spoil it,
<v Speaker 1>but when a certain character starts like his his portraits
<v Speaker 1>comes at like a skull, and there's a line where
<v Speaker 1>he says like, seriously, don't you think you've been playing
<v Speaker 1>a little too long or something like that, he breaks
<v Speaker 1>the fourth allus addressing the player directly.
<v Speaker 2>Like and like I had been playing like three hours
<v Speaker 2>straight at that point, Like it really like it was
<v Speaker 2>like I was like the perfect Like Couldjim imagining that
<v Speaker 2>whole sequence was like I was the perfect player in
<v Speaker 2>that moment, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, i'd say you like favorite horror games of
<v Speaker 1>all time for me? I mean it's shifted off, of
<v Speaker 1>course over the years, but kind of ones one that
<v Speaker 1>sticks out, and I know it's not technically a game,
<v Speaker 1>but I would almost go to bad and fight on
<v Speaker 1>that in terms of like sheer scares. PT is still
<v Speaker 1>my number one in terms of just like the scariest
<v Speaker 1>thing I've ever played, because it's the only game. As
<v Speaker 1>much as I love horror games, and I've played a
<v Speaker 1>lot of horror games, but I've never and even in
<v Speaker 1>horror movies too, PT is the only piece of horror
<v Speaker 1>media that has ever made me scream out loud, like ever,
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not that kind of person that like sort
<v Speaker 1>of reacts that way, like it's all internalized. And I
<v Speaker 1>remember playing the PT demo of the day it dropped
<v Speaker 1>and it was broad daylight outside too, which makes it
<v Speaker 1>and you didn't know what it was yet, right, no,
<v Speaker 1>this is when people still didn't know what it was.
<v Speaker 1>Like I just picked up on like the buzz of
<v Speaker 1>like there's this weird thing that just dropped and we
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is, so I just downloaded it.
<v Speaker 1>And because it was during a Gamescom if I remember correctly,
<v Speaker 1>that I was paying attention to Gamescom News and saw that.
<v Speaker 2>Was connected to Kojima, he announced it.
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. I don't think it was. I can't
<v Speaker 1>remember if he was known from the beginning or if
<v Speaker 1>it came out a little like a few hours later
<v Speaker 1>that it was him.
<v Speaker 3>Maybe came out a little later, if I remember correctly,
<v Speaker 3>but it was definitely something once people started beating it,
<v Speaker 3>I think.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I remember a like hours later that day, like the
<v Speaker 2>sort of twitch kind of being like wait, hold on
<v Speaker 2>a second, you know, and like seeing like the first
<v Speaker 2>couple of people that got through it and seeing what
<v Speaker 2>it was. That was cool, man, that was like a
<v Speaker 2>cool time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, because I play didn't one had beaten it yet,
<v Speaker 1>and again not having no idea what this is and
<v Speaker 1>not knowing what you're getting into, just completely unprepared. And
<v Speaker 1>I still that's still like my gold standard maybe for
<v Speaker 1>like atmosphere, like I still don't know if I've been
<v Speaker 1>in an environment in video games that's felt that oppressive,
<v Speaker 1>where it's like the moment you stepped in a hallway
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like, Nope, don't want to be here.
<v Speaker 2>Nope.
<v Speaker 1>Like everything like all of my like my my fight
<v Speaker 1>or flight. It's like kicking in in a way that
<v Speaker 1>I can't recall ever being feeling so intense and again
<v Speaker 1>not knowing what it was. And then the you know,
<v Speaker 1>the looping and all the like just the how masterfully yeah,
<v Speaker 1>the feet is in the sink. But I mean the
<v Speaker 1>thing that got me to scream out loud was the
<v Speaker 1>least a scared when she kills you, because it's like
<v Speaker 1>everything at that point had been so subtle and so
<v Speaker 1>subtle and so subtle, and it would tease like a
<v Speaker 1>big jump scare, but not do it. And that was
<v Speaker 1>like the first like in your face like jump scare.
<v Speaker 1>So they had like they had primed for it for
<v Speaker 1>a while and then it like and it happened so unexpectedly,
<v Speaker 1>and then it had a little bit of like before
<v Speaker 1>people started kind of figuring out the gears behind the demo,
<v Speaker 1>it had a bit of like mystery to its it
<v Speaker 1>seemed like it didn't happen at the same time for everyone,
<v Speaker 1>So once it started people hearing about it, then people
<v Speaker 1>would play kind of scared, not knowing when it was
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was inconsistent. I mean, I imagine people know
<v Speaker 2>exactly how to get through PT today, but I remember
<v Speaker 2>in those that first day, even the second day, it
<v Speaker 2>was like people weren't really sure what they had done
<v Speaker 2>to see the ending, you know, which was which was
<v Speaker 2>cool and it's creepy, you know it is separately like
<v Speaker 2>even just the sort of community aspect of it, right, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there's something about that where it's that almost the closest
<v Speaker 2>thing we have to a found footage game, where like
<v Speaker 2>when when Blair Witch Project came out, it was this
<v Speaker 2>whole thing about people being like was that real? Did
<v Speaker 2>that really happen? Like did that really happen?
<v Speaker 1>In real? That was me as a kid, I thought
<v Speaker 1>it was one hundred percent real.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And like that is part or like paranormal activity
<v Speaker 3>was the same way. It's like this is this seems
<v Speaker 3>a little too realistic, This seems a little too normal,
<v Speaker 3>and so it's that feeling. But then also using the
<v Speaker 3>interactive element to introduce that element of am I doing
<v Speaker 3>something that's affecting this or is this set in stone?
<v Speaker 3>Or can I change it? And that suddenly adds a
<v Speaker 3>new layer because all of a sudden, you're like, I
<v Speaker 3>just did something. It could be good, it could be
<v Speaker 3>really bad.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like I said, it's still like I I
<v Speaker 1>still hold pt in like incredibly high regard for for
<v Speaker 1>horror experiences, and I will always anytime you do like
<v Speaker 1>a best horror game ranking, I willy fight to put
<v Speaker 1>it on there, even though some people be like, well
<v Speaker 1>it's not a game. I'm like, it's got a beginning, middle,
<v Speaker 1>and the end. It's a game.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's got in the middle and well it was
<v Speaker 2>the end for that. That's the project. Yeah yeah, we'll
<v Speaker 2>see what looks like I guess, but.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's why I'm so excited for OD
<v Speaker 1>just because it's like, Okay, we've seen and like I said,
<v Speaker 1>Kajima is really good at like unintentional horror with metal
<v Speaker 1>geared or so many instances like you know, once we
<v Speaker 1>even even touch it of like metal gear being like
<v Speaker 1>weirdly scary, so.
<v Speaker 2>Like like just the first hour of Phantom Pain is
<v Speaker 2>like creepy as hell where you're like your way to
<v Speaker 2>the hospital and stuff that.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like he has a mind for horror. And it's
<v Speaker 1>like I don't even know if he knew it until
<v Speaker 1>he started doing you know, Silent Hills, which is what
<v Speaker 1>PT was gonna be. So again it's like, Okay, you
<v Speaker 1>don't even you're you can scare me when you're technically
<v Speaker 1>not trying to, or at least not. It's like the
<v Speaker 1>dragon Ball thing of like you've only seen five percent
<v Speaker 1>of my power. Yeah, yes, right, So seeing him go
<v Speaker 1>like no, I'm going to try now and freak you
<v Speaker 1>out is exciting and also, uh, it makes me nervous.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not to sidetrack an od too much. But
<v Speaker 2>I remember I think it was your story that you
<v Speaker 2>wrote for the site, Marcus, or maybe I think it
<v Speaker 2>was you maybe, but you there's like Coajima released a
<v Speaker 2>quote or he said something of like knocking is scary,
<v Speaker 2>like the act of knocking is scary, right, or something
<v Speaker 2>like that, and I remember kind of thinking like what
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about, man, Like what is what? What
<v Speaker 2>do you mean? And then I watched that trailer and
<v Speaker 2>I was like, God, that is creepy. Just that knocking
<v Speaker 2>like this is effective. You know, maybe he does what
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about.
<v Speaker 1>If you heard a knock and you didn't know where
<v Speaker 1>that was coming from, that would be scary.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, knock of an unknown origin for sure, even known
<v Speaker 3>origin is freaking. If somebody knocked on my front door
<v Speaker 3>right now, I would not feel normal about.
<v Speaker 2>No.
<v Speaker 3>No, it was really tempted to, like knock the underside
<v Speaker 3>of my desk when I did that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I got one. I want to talk about that.
<v Speaker 2>I there's like because to me, there's like scary games
<v Speaker 2>and then there's like horror. There's there's like horror games
<v Speaker 2>that I love that aren't super scary to me, which
<v Speaker 2>is it's funny. I really like horror games a lot,
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not a big horror film guy. I don't
<v Speaker 2>really like the genre. I mean, I have horror films
<v Speaker 2>I like, but it's not a genre I seek out.
<v Speaker 2>But horror games. I think it's having the control or
<v Speaker 2>something that really like makes the difference for me. But
<v Speaker 2>still one of my favorite horror games is Dead Space Too.
<v Speaker 2>I really love Dead Space Too. I like the whole franchise.
<v Speaker 2>I like parts of three even but in the remake
<v Speaker 2>of one recently was good, but two is my favorite
<v Speaker 2>just because my favorite, you know, I I like, I
<v Speaker 2>just said, I don't really seek out horror generally, but
<v Speaker 2>I do like sci fi horror. Like I I'm always
<v Speaker 2>there for the new alien stuff. I like when stuff
<v Speaker 2>goes wrong in space and Dead Space too, I think
<v Speaker 2>is like the best version of that. And it's just
<v Speaker 2>this fantastic like Resonu belfour inspired shooter that's just this
<v Speaker 2>really compelling, like horror story, like I and I love
<v Speaker 2>the ending of that game. I don't know if you
<v Speaker 2>guys remember the ending, but the ending is so cool
<v Speaker 2>and really plays with your expectations, and there's like the
<v Speaker 2>sequences where you up to space jump between stations, and
<v Speaker 2>like it is a game that kind of did the
<v Speaker 2>one shot like camera follows you the whole time with
<v Speaker 2>no cutsk like before God of War did it frankly,
<v Speaker 2>which I think just works really well for a horror
<v Speaker 2>game in space and being stuck with Isaac as he
<v Speaker 2>like goes through this whole sequence and like, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>just it's like it probably it might be my favorite
<v Speaker 2>horror game, even if I don't think it's the scariest
<v Speaker 2>horror game. I just like I played through that game
<v Speaker 2>like twice, two or three times in a row when
<v Speaker 2>it came out. I just it totally uh like hooked
<v Speaker 2>me in in a huge way. And yeah, Dead Space too,
<v Speaker 2>Like I would put it in my top three like
<v Speaker 2>favorite horror games probably.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know how you guys feel like the franchise.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the best that Space. I love that Space, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>And I think one is great, but I think I
<v Speaker 1>think two is the pinnacle. And I know everyone talks
<v Speaker 1>about like the eyeball scene is like one of the
<v Speaker 1>kind of like standout scenes in that game, and rightfully so,
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's rough seem to get through, but I
<v Speaker 1>think that the nursery or the school, whatever it is
<v Speaker 1>that sens like genuinely I still think one of the
<v Speaker 1>most disturbing kind of like sequences in any game, because
<v Speaker 1>like you're fighting like these necromorph kids and when you
<v Speaker 1>kill them, they just scream and they just sound like
<v Speaker 1>normal kids. Like they don't sound like, they don't sound
<v Speaker 1>like monstrous, they just sound like children dying, and it's
<v Speaker 1>like this really haunting reminder of what they used to
<v Speaker 1>be and I remember the first time, and I have
<v Speaker 1>a really really thick skin with horror media, but even that,
<v Speaker 1>like the first time I remember killing one of them,
<v Speaker 1>I like stuff like, oh, oh my God, like you're
<v Speaker 1>gonna make me do not I did not expect to
<v Speaker 1>hear that what I killed, this little baby monster thing.
<v Speaker 1>And I actually knew a guy in college who he
<v Speaker 1>could not get through it because he he was a father,
<v Speaker 1>and he said I could. I couldn't do it. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>I've never been dead space.
<v Speaker 2>To that happens to you. I wonder if I could
<v Speaker 2>go back to it, Like there's movies now like I
<v Speaker 2>can't watch train Spotting anymore, you know, after becoming a
<v Speaker 2>dad and stuff like that. But yeah, I wonder if
<v Speaker 2>that would affect me differently nowadays. But it's funny that
<v Speaker 2>that game's not really jump scare heavy to my memory,
<v Speaker 2>but in the in the nursery, there is one jump
<v Speaker 2>scare where like this like son just like falls down.
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like a stage prop that just like
<v Speaker 2>comes down and like skins. That's like the big jump
<v Speaker 2>scare in the game.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 4>It's funny.
<v Speaker 3>It's the cat in Alien where it suddenly the cat
<v Speaker 3>just jumps out of nowhere and you're like, oh, and
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not the scary thing, but it is enough
<v Speaker 3>to kind of take you out.
<v Speaker 4>Of your your kind of lull there. You know.
<v Speaker 3>I love Dead Space as a series. Dead Space one
<v Speaker 3>and two. We used to play them in college. We
<v Speaker 3>would literally just be a Saturday morning, like after we'd
<v Speaker 3>hung out the night before. We'd be like, what do
<v Speaker 3>you want to do today? Who wants to play Dead Space?
<v Speaker 3>And we'd loop runs of that game.
<v Speaker 2>And so the multiplayer and Dead Space too that wasn't
<v Speaker 2>destination freaking.
<v Speaker 3>And the Dead Space remake I think gave me like
<v Speaker 3>a new appreciate appreciation for the craft that went into it,
<v Speaker 3>because you mentioned all of the different stuff that goes
<v Speaker 3>into just focusing on that one shot, but also I
<v Speaker 3>think having the health on the spinal column and having
<v Speaker 3>the AMMO indicator and all that. Basically it doesn't just
<v Speaker 3>mean that there's no uys, there's there's a thinner veil
<v Speaker 3>between you and the action that's happening on screen. But
<v Speaker 3>also it keeps your eyes like focused on the center
<v Speaker 3>of the screen like almost as effectively as a crosshair,
<v Speaker 3>and you're constantly looking there which means that things happening
<v Speaker 3>in the periphery can kind of unnerve you and unsettle you,
<v Speaker 3>and you have that moment where you're like, I just
<v Speaker 3>see something move on the wall or something like that,
<v Speaker 3>and it just works so well for that game. I
<v Speaker 3>love the Dead Space games absolutely fingers for ass we
<v Speaker 3>get that remake of two? Yeah, I mean I like,
<v Speaker 3>I love it, but yeah, I think too. I mean,
<v Speaker 3>to be fair, I haven't played two in a while,
<v Speaker 3>but I think it probably still holds up. I played
<v Speaker 3>through Dead Space one with min Max for a deepest dive,
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, a year or something before the
<v Speaker 3>remake came out, and I was like, this is still good,
<v Speaker 3>Like this this holds up well?
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's one of
<v Speaker 2>those things, is like I don't really need a remake
<v Speaker 2>of two, but if you guys gave it to me,
<v Speaker 2>I would play the hell.
<v Speaker 1>Out of it, you know.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, what about you, Alex?
<v Speaker 2>Look at like we're talking about our favorites, right, Like,
<v Speaker 2>what's your you got?
<v Speaker 4>Like a I got Alex by Kyle? You love to see.
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna call him out. Yea, I know it's
<v Speaker 1>fun to do. Just keep it moving, keep us moving.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>So Immortality, if we want to talk about FMV games,
<v Speaker 3>I think Immortality is one that's got to be in
<v Speaker 3>the conversation for best horror games because I think that's
<v Speaker 3>one that uses game mechanics in a way that I
<v Speaker 3>didn't expect it to. It's one of Sam Barlow and
<v Speaker 3>half Mermaid's games.
<v Speaker 1>That's about.
<v Speaker 3>You have a film archive of this actress named Marissa
<v Speaker 3>Marcel who has made three movies over the past several
<v Speaker 3>decades and then disappeared and no one's heard from her since,
<v Speaker 3>and you are scanning through the archives trying to figure
<v Speaker 3>out what has happened. Ostensibly you're trying to build a
<v Speaker 3>film archive, a collection of her lost works that have
<v Speaker 3>been difficult to find over time anyways, but you're also
<v Speaker 3>kind of encouraged to solve the mystery as you do
<v Speaker 3>and figure out what happened. And you know, it would
<v Speaker 3>feel like giving away the game to tell you much
<v Speaker 3>more than that, but there is I think it is
<v Speaker 3>that perfect marriage of you know, digging too deep where
<v Speaker 3>you ought not to have and looking further and further
<v Speaker 3>into things and it does this very clever thing, the
<v Speaker 3>whole mechanic that kind of pins the thing together. It's
<v Speaker 3>a film archive. But the way they have for you
<v Speaker 3>to go through it is you match cut, So you
<v Speaker 3>have a little crosshair and you can freeze frame and say,
<v Speaker 3>I want to match cut this, I want to match
<v Speaker 3>cut this apple, or I want to match cut this
<v Speaker 3>person's face, and it zooms in and then zooms back
<v Speaker 3>out to a different scene. And it could be in
<v Speaker 3>the same movie, it could be in a different movie.
<v Speaker 3>It could be in behind the scenes footage, it could
<v Speaker 3>be in sort of like location scouting type stuff, or
<v Speaker 3>even just maybe somebody with their little handheld camera behind,
<v Speaker 3>you know, with the cast and all that, there's all
<v Speaker 3>kinds of different places it goes, and it is. It
<v Speaker 3>is a horror game, you know. It is very much
<v Speaker 3>a scary game and maybe has one of the most
<v Speaker 3>frightening things I've ever seen in a video game ever,
<v Speaker 3>like the scene that still gives me chills.
<v Speaker 1>I might know what you're talking about. Yeah, it feels
<v Speaker 1>like there's multiple ones, but there's one that Oh yeah, again,
<v Speaker 1>without spoiling, cause it's like it's kind of a spoiler
<v Speaker 1>to even explain why the game is scary, but it's
<v Speaker 1>the closest comparison is sort of like if you've watched
<v Speaker 1>it enough, sort of like Haunted House or Possession or
<v Speaker 1>like like ghost hunting kind of movies. Like there's usually
<v Speaker 1>a scene where like the people investigating the occurrence will
<v Speaker 1>like record something like Okay, we're gonna record or take
<v Speaker 1>pictures of this house. And then there's always a scene
<v Speaker 1>where they're going through their footage and they see something
<v Speaker 1>that they did not see why they were there, like
<v Speaker 1>like physically in the house, but something shows up in
<v Speaker 1>the film that is like really unnerving. It's it's kind
<v Speaker 1>of like that, like as you're scrubbing through footage, you
<v Speaker 1>just see things You're like, I, what is that all?
<v Speaker 1>What is happening there?
<v Speaker 4>Wait a minute, What's what's that? What? What is that?
<v Speaker 3>And you start investigating and it's the idea of you
<v Speaker 3>have to match cut it. It's funny. Someone I think
<v Speaker 3>compared it to Time Crisis and said, it's like it's
<v Speaker 3>kind of like that where if Time Crisis was a
<v Speaker 3>horror game, and I was like, that's that's interesting. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>but like that's that's an interesting thought that the idea
<v Speaker 3>of you have to intentionally pull the the you know,
<v Speaker 3>metaphorical trigger to go from one place to another. And
<v Speaker 3>another one of my games that we'll probably talk about
<v Speaker 3>when it wheels back around to me, the idea of
<v Speaker 3>people walked where they ought to have, crawled, they dug
<v Speaker 3>where they ought not to have. That's it's that sense
<v Speaker 3>of oh, I shouldn't be here, this is not for me.
<v Speaker 3>I if I was a normal person doing this, I
<v Speaker 3>would walk away. And honestly, it does give you that
<v Speaker 3>feeling of, even as a player in the removed sense,
<v Speaker 3>being like I don't know if I should be looking
<v Speaker 3>into this, and it gets it gets very very good.
<v Speaker 3>I highly recommend it, especially if you have a group.
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of horror games, the likes of
<v Speaker 3>Until Dawn and things like that lend themselves well to
<v Speaker 3>one person driving, but a lot of people engaging in
<v Speaker 3>the activity with you. Not only does that make it,
<v Speaker 3>you know, less scary in some ways, but there's something
<v Speaker 3>fun about everybody participating in the activity. And Immortality is
<v Speaker 3>one where I actually played it with the friends and
<v Speaker 3>we were sitting there and just looking through stuff and
<v Speaker 3>they'd be like, oh, look at that, Like oh, what's
<v Speaker 3>that and I'd be like, oh, I don't know, should
<v Speaker 3>we look at it? And it's there's really something engaging
<v Speaker 3>about that. So if you have if you have someone
<v Speaker 3>in your life that you've wanted to kind of have
<v Speaker 3>a scary game with and maybe they don't want to drive,
<v Speaker 3>but they want to experience it, Immortality is a pretty
<v Speaker 3>good one for that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kind of on in a similar vein I guess
<v Speaker 1>for my next game. It's also a little hard to
<v Speaker 1>talk about, but uh, Dokey Dokey Literature Club a game
<v Speaker 1>that I really really like and I really really enjoy,
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a tough game to recommend because it's
<v Speaker 1>it's very much a spoiler to sort of get into
<v Speaker 1>what makes it scared, because if you just look at
<v Speaker 1>the Steam page, it sort of the presentation is like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>it's an anime visual novel with like pretty girls, like
<v Speaker 1>a dating sim. There's like a million of those on Steam.
<v Speaker 1>Why should I care about this one? And it's something
<v Speaker 1>where I've had to explain the friends of like I
<v Speaker 1>know what it looks like. I know it doesn't look
<v Speaker 1>like your thing, trust me. Just it's like you have
<v Speaker 1>to kind of commit to, like play the first like
<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes hour of it, and like, stick with it.
<v Speaker 1>You'll like sort of the only clue that you get
<v Speaker 1>when you boot it up that's something is a miss
<v Speaker 1>is that there is a constant warning in the beginning.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you're just like that's weird because and you
<v Speaker 1>almost forget about it when you keep playing it, because
<v Speaker 1>it's like it plays it straight for a good while,
<v Speaker 1>like long enough to kind of lully you into a
<v Speaker 1>false sense of security, so you're like, oh, this is
<v Speaker 1>about what I would expect from this, and then things
<v Speaker 1>start to go off the rails and in ways that
<v Speaker 1>like it's creepy because it's very very kind of fourth
<v Speaker 1>wall breaking, like it's very meta. Yeah, and it's it's
<v Speaker 1>it's like if you were if you were a person
<v Speaker 1>that when we were talking about sort of the way
<v Speaker 1>it's middle Gear Solid too sort of breaks the fourth
<v Speaker 1>wall and kind of is aware that it is a
<v Speaker 1>game being played that is kind of the core of
<v Speaker 1>Dopy Doky Literature Club. And I'm almost hesitating to kind
<v Speaker 1>of go much deeper than that, but it's sort of
<v Speaker 1>like a game that knows what it what it's trying
<v Speaker 1>to be, and kind of knows what you expect out
<v Speaker 1>of it and sort of takes what you think about
<v Speaker 1>it and flips it on its head, and a lot
<v Speaker 1>of very surprising and like really well done ways, uh,
<v Speaker 1>and also in like really really like unsettling ways.
<v Speaker 3>It's a really fascinating game because I do think it
<v Speaker 3>kicked up a lot of discussion around because it is,
<v Speaker 3>I mean, ultimately a game that wants to catch you
<v Speaker 3>off guard on your expectations, but when the way it
<v Speaker 3>catches you off guard is in a lot of ways
<v Speaker 3>that could be very affecting for some people.
<v Speaker 4>It it actually kicked up.
<v Speaker 3>A lot of really good conversations I think about content
<v Speaker 3>warnings in this sort of circumstance, which are probably good
<v Speaker 3>for us to have because I think for a lot
<v Speaker 3>of these games they do come with some level of
<v Speaker 3>often content warnings, and that was stemming out of a
<v Speaker 3>lot of discussions that happened around this, uh. And it
<v Speaker 3>can sometimes be like, Okay, well if I go in
<v Speaker 3>knowing that it's gonna happen, and you know, is that
<v Speaker 3>going to ruin the experience for me? But also I
<v Speaker 3>feel like now you see something like Dokie Doki, because
<v Speaker 3>there have been many imitators, many spiritual successors to Doki Doky,
<v Speaker 3>and even Doky Doki arguably not the first to do this.
<v Speaker 3>There was a I can't remember the name of it.
<v Speaker 3>There's a visual novel that did something very similar before it,
<v Speaker 3>And I think now, if we see something that's a
<v Speaker 3>little too saccharin, a little too like everything's hunky Dory
<v Speaker 3>and happy Ville, it's like, okay, there, you're you're gonna
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna do something at some point. Yeah, yeah, it's
<v Speaker 3>it's the the Simpsons bit where he's like, oh, I
<v Speaker 3>don't want to go yet.
<v Speaker 4>That guy hasn't done anything that. Yeah, when you're not looking.
<v Speaker 3>Ah, favorite Simpsons bits by the way, Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>It's it's a good one. Uh So.
<v Speaker 3>I but I think Dokie Doky is really fascinating and
<v Speaker 3>that it didn't just become this obviously very interesting, very
<v Speaker 3>fascinating story of what you can do, even like what
<v Speaker 3>you can do with I think it's all in renp
<v Speaker 3>if I remember correct. So it's a really interesting story
<v Speaker 3>of what you know, small devs, small cycles, small tools
<v Speaker 3>can still do and still affect on a larger scale.
<v Speaker 3>But also, yeah, it kicked off a whole wave of
<v Speaker 3>stuff and a lot of cool conversations around it. So
<v Speaker 3>Dokie Dokie definitely like a very very important horror game
<v Speaker 3>when we look at the landscape of the last ten years. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>and unconventional, like it's sort of different, a different way
<v Speaker 3>to do horror.
<v Speaker 4>Kyle, how about you?
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it feels like most a I don't know, like
<v Speaker 2>an easy one to call out, an easy guess, but
<v Speaker 2>Silent Hill two was a huge one for me. I'm
<v Speaker 2>kind of like feeling I'm referencing like older games here,
<v Speaker 2>but like, yeah, I and the remake is good. I
<v Speaker 2>really like to remake a lot. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>stuff I like in it. But yeah, like that first
<v Speaker 2>through playthrough of Silent Hill too, especially after I'd played
<v Speaker 2>like Resident Evil and more action horror games that were like,
<v Speaker 2>this game's scary because it has a big monster in it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, And Silent Hill two does have monsters in it,
<v Speaker 2>but just tonally, just the mood of that game and
<v Speaker 2>the quietness of that game, we're just so affecting for me.
<v Speaker 2>And there's a sequence I don't know midway through the
<v Speaker 2>game where you're sort of making your way deeper and
<v Speaker 2>deeper and deeper underground, and you just keep going down.
<v Speaker 2>You're down like seven or eight levels, and you just
<v Speaker 2>keep going. You're going down these like hugely long stairwells,
<v Speaker 2>and you come into this room that's just this like
<v Speaker 2>concrete room that has like grass on the ground, and
<v Speaker 2>there's graves and there's one with your name on it
<v Speaker 2>that's open, and to progress forward, you have to step
<v Speaker 2>into that grave. And I just remember like like it
<v Speaker 2>was like this time, like like where I played a
<v Speaker 2>video game where I was like, I don't I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to do that, Like I'm like so deep underground.
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm in a hell right now, and
<v Speaker 2>you're just like and now I have to like enter
<v Speaker 2>my own grave. And it was such a like perfect
<v Speaker 2>effective moment of horror that wasn't anything jumping out at
<v Speaker 2>me or scaring me necessarily. It was just this cerebral
<v Speaker 2>kind of horror. And that's how a lot of the
<v Speaker 2>game is, Like it's broken up with these sequences of action,
<v Speaker 2>but like I don't really remember the action from the
<v Speaker 2>original Silent Hill too very well. I just remember these
<v Speaker 2>unsettling cut scenes and just the strange mood of the
<v Speaker 2>town and just moving through these like creepy places. It
<v Speaker 2>just was like incredibly effective, and there's a reason that,
<v Speaker 2>like it was just sort of held as this classic
<v Speaker 2>and continues to be held as a classic for so long. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Silent Hill too, just like one of my favorite horror games.
<v Speaker 2>I love Silent Hill too, and I like the remake too.
<v Speaker 2>The remake is different, but it's good and it's fun
<v Speaker 2>to play.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, have you played a Sound Hill F yet?
<v Speaker 2>I started it. I'm like three or four hours in. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying it so far. Yeah, okay. Yeah, of all people,
<v Speaker 2>I've been most interested to get your take on that game. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it is the one. It is my Like you know
<v Speaker 2>how we all have like those single player games that
<v Speaker 2>we're working our way through right now, if that makes sense, Like,
<v Speaker 2>we have the one that I'm working on. It's Sold
<v Speaker 2>Hill F. That is when I go to play video
<v Speaker 2>games on my own time. That's what I'm booting out.
<v Speaker 2>But I am taking it slow, but I'm enjoying it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, cool, Eric.
<v Speaker 3>I want to shout out another more recent game in
<v Speaker 3>the survival horror genre that I think I have shouted
<v Speaker 3>out on this podcast before, but it once is never enough.
<v Speaker 3>Signalis is a really excellent isometric survival horror game, isometric
<v Speaker 3>top down and somewhere in between, where you are playing
<v Speaker 3>as an android that is going into a facility where
<v Speaker 3>something has gone very wrong and you are looking for
<v Speaker 3>someone who means a lot to you, And it has
<v Speaker 3>a lot of that Silent Hill two vibe to it,
<v Speaker 3>I think, where it's very spacey, it's very strange. It
<v Speaker 3>is a sci fi game, which you know, is really interesting.
<v Speaker 3>It makes it really different, and I think the world
<v Speaker 3>of Signaledge that it builds around itself is really fascinating.
<v Speaker 3>But also just the gameplay of it just sticks with me.
<v Speaker 3>It's so straightforward, but there's so many little moments that
<v Speaker 3>mean so much. Where I remember runs from one room
<v Speaker 3>to another where I only had a few inventory slots.
<v Speaker 3>I knew I'd have to pick something up on the way,
<v Speaker 3>so I could only bring so many bullets. And do
<v Speaker 3>I have a flare? Do I want to flare something?
<v Speaker 1>You know?
<v Speaker 3>Do I want to take out one of these enemies
<v Speaker 3>is going to come back at some point later? Or
<v Speaker 3>can I leave it on the ground or can I
<v Speaker 3>just dodge around it? Just constant tension, and I think
<v Speaker 3>that's one of the underrated aspects. We talk a lot
<v Speaker 3>about scares and even chills and thrills, but tension is
<v Speaker 3>such an important part of a good horror and Signalis.
<v Speaker 4>Does it so well.
<v Speaker 3>Where you are always just a little bit undergunns. You know,
<v Speaker 3>you don't have the perfect setup for what you need,
<v Speaker 3>you don't have a limitless inventory, you don't have all
<v Speaker 3>the tools that you wish you had. There's always something
<v Speaker 3>that is making you the underdog in every situation, even
<v Speaker 3>though you are this futuristic android that's supposed to be
<v Speaker 3>super powerful. It's like if to be was in the
<v Speaker 3>middle of a horror game, and I really like that.
<v Speaker 3>I think it's a really cool mood that they established.
<v Speaker 3>And then the art direction is just incredible. Like I
<v Speaker 3>struggled to think of many other games that look like Signalis.
<v Speaker 3>It has such an amazing art style that just you
<v Speaker 3>see it and you immediately recognize it.
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I love that game.
<v Speaker 2>That was one which I don't into a lot through.
<v Speaker 2>Another horror game I did it with was Loura Lai.
<v Speaker 2>But where I started it up to just play like
<v Speaker 2>ten to fifteen minutes of it. Let me see what
<v Speaker 2>this thing is, let me take a look at this
<v Speaker 2>and then it was like an hour past and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, well, I'm not not beating this, you know,
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't have that often, but Signalis was a
<v Speaker 2>recent one where I was like, let me check this
<v Speaker 2>thing out, and I was like, well, I'm finishing this.
<v Speaker 2>There's I can't stop playing this, and it was It's great.
<v Speaker 2>It's a great game.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also, I'm glad you called Loralai a horror game
<v Speaker 1>because I kind of thought that it's like it's scary,
<v Speaker 1>it's creepy. Yeah, yeah, it's.
<v Speaker 2>I remember I was talking I was on a Blue Sky.
<v Speaker 2>Rebecca over at ign was talking about like how she
<v Speaker 2>was like turned off by elements of it because it
<v Speaker 2>was like it seems like too scary, like monsters coming
<v Speaker 2>after you and stuff, you know, but it's like, that's
<v Speaker 2>not that's not actually what's happening when you play that game.
<v Speaker 2>Even the sequences were enemies are coming, enemies quote unquote
<v Speaker 2>are coming after you are actually the game trying to
<v Speaker 2>be like, hey, we're gonna give you a puzzle because
<v Speaker 2>you're clearly stuck right now, so we're gonna chase you
<v Speaker 2>down and give you a puzzle. So yeah, don't don't
<v Speaker 2>get scared away by that game. If you see, if
<v Speaker 2>you're playing it for a bit and it's like you
<v Speaker 2>start getting chased by things, it's like, no, it's it's
<v Speaker 2>all just creepy mood. It's not really gonna, like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>kill you.
<v Speaker 4>It's fine.
<v Speaker 3>You should let the monster catch you. It's totally chilled
<v Speaker 3>the Monster Commission.
<v Speaker 2>They're just trying to keep you engaged when you're stuck,
<v Speaker 2>that's all.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If someone approaches even the woods at night and
<v Speaker 1>you don't know who it is and let them come,
<v Speaker 1>they might have a puzzle for it.
<v Speaker 4>Puzzle.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wait, are we talking about Laura? We talking about
<v Speaker 2>real life? Now? What's on here?
<v Speaker 1>What's the difference? I guess I'm start to wind down here.
<v Speaker 1>Just a few sort of like quick hits of some
<v Speaker 1>some standouts for me that I've always kind of hold
<v Speaker 1>near and dear. One is the original Fear. Yes, it's
<v Speaker 1>one that doesn't get talked about a ton, but I
<v Speaker 1>love the first Fear, like and it scared the crap
<v Speaker 1>out of me at the time, which I always thought
<v Speaker 1>was impressive because it's like half of it's like a
<v Speaker 1>first person shooter, which and it's on its own isn't
<v Speaker 1>like terrifying, Like you're like gutting down soldiers for like
<v Speaker 1>a good portion of the game. But then you get
<v Speaker 1>into these like psychological horror segments with all the antagonists
<v Speaker 1>who is this like weird super powerful psychic girl, where
<v Speaker 1>like the walls are bleeding and it's just messing with
<v Speaker 1>their head and it's like it's like genuinely unnerving. And
<v Speaker 1>I remember being so scared playing that game back, and
<v Speaker 1>like god, it was like oh seven, if I remember correctly,
<v Speaker 1>when Fear came out, and I've always held a hope
<v Speaker 1>that we would get another one, because I call Fear
<v Speaker 1>two was solid Fear three. But you know we lost
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I'm sorry, yes, Fear three.
<v Speaker 2>H Okay, you know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, yeah, you know, and it sucks. You know,
<v Speaker 1>we lost Monolith, the developer earlier this year was shut down,
<v Speaker 1>so you know, who knows. It's highly unlikely we'll see
<v Speaker 1>another Fear game ever again. But yeah, I highly recommend
<v Speaker 1>people revisit that that first Fear. I think it's it's
<v Speaker 1>a gem of the sort of PS three Xbox three
<v Speaker 1>sixty generation I talked about PT earlier. I think like
<v Speaker 1>PT has spawned countless sort of like imitators, and I
<v Speaker 1>think probably the best one is a game called Visage
<v Speaker 1>that came out what was that twenty nineteen twenty twenty
<v Speaker 1>terrifying game. It's set in a spooky house. It's going
<v Speaker 1>for like the PT sort of like almost like photorealistic visuals,
<v Speaker 1>but it's like this really well rendered house. It's haunted
<v Speaker 1>like they the way they do tension of like like
<v Speaker 1>the subtle things are what scare you? Where you're questioning
<v Speaker 1>like is that just house no noises or is there
<v Speaker 1>something else going on here? And you're kind of forced
<v Speaker 1>to go through a couple of different sort of like
<v Speaker 1>campaigns almost trying to Like the hardest thing about PT
<v Speaker 1>is trying to solve puzzles while actively being terrified beause
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what is going to come around a
<v Speaker 1>corner and do something to you while you're you know,
<v Speaker 1>inspecting things. And this is is kind of that time
<v Speaker 1>ten dreamed it a couple of times. Probably one of
<v Speaker 1>the funniest dreams you've ever done was having known Scaredy Cat.
<v Speaker 1>Alex Stadnik played that game and some some really great
<v Speaker 1>last and South there. I encourage people to look to
<v Speaker 1>find the archive of that on YouTuber sometime. But yeah,
<v Speaker 1>this is is great. And in terms of Resident eviluse,
<v Speaker 1>I'm a huge Resident Evil fan. It's one of my
<v Speaker 1>favorite just series in general. Uh So, it's like it's
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to call out one in particular because there's
<v Speaker 1>so many great ones, but I'm gonna go with Village
<v Speaker 1>strictly because of the Dollhouse segment, which is the best
<v Speaker 1>part in the game. Like, the the castle is great,
<v Speaker 1>the Lady Dematresca stuff is great, but in terms of
<v Speaker 1>like the the most scary thing in that game is
<v Speaker 1>the dollhouse and I remember being so surprised at how
<v Speaker 1>effective that section was because it's it's basically like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna do Resident Evil seven here, just in
<v Speaker 1>this one spot, We're gonna do some Resident Evil seven stuff,
<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna don't have any weapons, you gotta sneak
<v Speaker 1>around as very creepy doll. I'm fun fact about me.
<v Speaker 1>Creepy doll stuff is like terrifying to me. Like that's
<v Speaker 1>like my like I don't know what you would call it,
<v Speaker 1>but like the thing that gets you in horror, like
<v Speaker 1>the tropes creepy dolls and Mannikins or Minus.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Chucky's the scared of hell out of me
<v Speaker 1>as a kid. Uh so, like being in this house
<v Speaker 1>full of these weird dolls and then being stalked by
<v Speaker 1>a thing I won't spoil, but it is absolutely horrifying
<v Speaker 1>when you see what it is. Yeah, yeah, so I'll
<v Speaker 1>shout out Village, which overall is a is a great game.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah that that, to me is one of the
<v Speaker 1>best sort of like singular segments of any game in
<v Speaker 1>the last sort of like five years.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like I would say two remake and
<v Speaker 2>four are probably like my favorite ones to play, right
<v Speaker 2>but like overall, over like Larger seven, I think maybe
<v Speaker 2>the scariest overall, even if he squence, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I Also I want to shout out sort of as
<v Speaker 2>we're doing a couple rapid fire ones in here or at
<v Speaker 2>the end of Inside and Limbo. Absolutely adore those games,
<v Speaker 2>Like Inside is, like I've played through that game so
<v Speaker 2>many times now it's hard for me to remember like
<v Speaker 2>how much it creeped me out the first time I
<v Speaker 2>played it, you know, and like that little that that
<v Speaker 2>girl that like is chasing you in the water and
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that I love that game so much inside
<v Speaker 2>I was probably in my top five favorite games of
<v Speaker 2>all time, and it's like it's it is horrifying unless
<v Speaker 2>you play it, you know, eight times, and then you're
<v Speaker 2>just kind of enjoying it for what it is.
<v Speaker 3>I think, if I'm going to popcorn, if you a
<v Speaker 3>recent one again, Mouthwashing, I just don't say anything about it.
<v Speaker 3>Just just go play Mouthwashing. You'd like, go go play it.
<v Speaker 3>I hope it hurts. It's that one's great. Until Dawn
<v Speaker 3>mentioned earlier, I think the original, the remake it you know, like, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's perfect, such a good game. It's a really fun one.
<v Speaker 3>And I think they actually added this with the remake,
<v Speaker 3>to sit down and say everybody gets a character and
<v Speaker 3>they play that character, and that's actually a really fun
<v Speaker 3>way to play through that whole game. But it's also
<v Speaker 3>just if you love more of the slasher side, the
<v Speaker 3>campy horror side of things, absolutely a great one to play.
<v Speaker 4>And then the last one.
<v Speaker 3>I'd popcorn is I tried to pick one from among
<v Speaker 3>this kind of uvra of games, and I'm gonna pick Soma.
<v Speaker 3>I think Soma is absolutely fantastic, maybe some of the
<v Speaker 3>best writing in games that I've seen. Just the story
<v Speaker 3>of it is absolutely incredible, and there is a mode
<v Speaker 3>where you can turn off the monsters. Whether you don't
<v Speaker 3>like the scares or whether like me, you don't like
<v Speaker 3>run and hide gameplay all that much. I'm just not
<v Speaker 3>a personal fan of it. It never feels very rewarding
<v Speaker 3>to me, which is why I wouldn't mention something like
<v Speaker 3>Anisia the Dark Descent, which also scared the Bejesus out
<v Speaker 3>of me once I played it. But I wasn't always
<v Speaker 3>a fan of just hide behind crate until big stompy
<v Speaker 3>guy goes away and then go like do half the
<v Speaker 3>puzzle and then go hide again because it triggered and
<v Speaker 3>now he's coming back and all that. I'm just never
<v Speaker 3>a huge fan of that. But that, oh, an Alien
<v Speaker 3>Isolation didn't get messing. But Alien Isolation is great also
<v Speaker 3>really really scary, and get some really clever scares out
<v Speaker 3>of the alien and the way the alien moves and
<v Speaker 3>I really like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, awesome. Well, I hope listening to this you guys
<v Speaker 1>all have a very large list of horror game recommendations
<v Speaker 1>for you going into the spooky season Halloween tonight. At
<v Speaker 1>the time you're listening to this probably. I hope everyone
<v Speaker 1>has a great time out there. Are you guys doing
<v Speaker 1>trigger treating? I like to think you're never too old
<v Speaker 1>to do it, as long as you wear a mask
<v Speaker 1>or you look vaguely teenagers.
<v Speaker 2>I think this might be. I think last year was
<v Speaker 2>my daughter's last time trigger treating. I think maybe, which
<v Speaker 2>is which makes me sad. But we'll see. Maybe we'll
<v Speaker 2>find out tomorrow.
<v Speaker 1>I guess. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, thanks for watching, everyone,
<v Speaker 1>Just some quick housekeeping before we dip out here. Of course,
<v Speaker 1>you can follow the three of us on social media.
<v Speaker 1>I am at Marcus Stewart seven on Blue Sky. You
<v Speaker 1>can find Kyle at Kyle M. Hilliard and Eric Van
<v Speaker 1>Allen at Sea Moosey correct, see moosey Sure, Son, Alex.
<v Speaker 4>You're gonna this is my horror game?
<v Speaker 1>Is I show? Sorry?
<v Speaker 3>By the way, No, that's incredibly funny when it happens. No,
<v Speaker 3>but that's that's my personal horror game. As I show up,
<v Speaker 3>and I've been Alex all along, I've been I've been
<v Speaker 3>like living split lives this entire time.
<v Speaker 4>Has it?
<v Speaker 1>Has it happened? The other way? Is anyone called Alex Eric?
<v Speaker 4>Yes? That has also happened.
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, if it only happened one way, I would
<v Speaker 3>you know, that would be not great. But it happens
<v Speaker 3>both ways, so I find that very funny. Can make sure,
<v Speaker 3>I guess you can go follow Alex too, since we
<v Speaker 3>brought him up somewhere. But yes, be sure also to
<v Speaker 3>check out our Twitch channel and YouTube channel. We've got
<v Speaker 3>some ongoing series every Wednesday streaming new games, usually with
<v Speaker 3>Eric and Alex, so you can't confuse themcause they're both
<v Speaker 3>there to get there especially confusing. Yeah, and of course
<v Speaker 3>myself and Charles Hart we have our ongoing Resident Evil
<v Speaker 3>Outbreak super replay. At the time you're listening to this,
<v Speaker 3>there's a chance we might have beaten the game because
<v Speaker 3>we are at the beginning of the final scenario. I've
<v Speaker 3>got a special costume prepared specifically for this episode because
<v Speaker 3>it's airing on Halloween that I'm excited to bust out.
<v Speaker 1>I think it's gonna be indistinguishable from the character that
<v Speaker 1>I'm portraying, as You're gonna be like, wow, It's like
<v Speaker 1>it's like playing the game twice. It's like, how was
<v Speaker 1>he here and there at the same time. Who would
<v Speaker 1>have thought? But yes, fingers crossed. We'll see we can
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<v Speaker 1>I hope you guys all have a fun and safe Halloween.
<v Speaker 1>I hope to see both of you alive and well Monday.
<v Speaker 1>I say, you know, in case you know, creepy things
<v Speaker 1>happen on Halloween, we'll see you know. If you guys, approach,
<v Speaker 1>if someone approached you when you decided to embrace them,
<v Speaker 1>hoping that you would get a puzzle.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I would.
<v Speaker 3>There should be people that just distribute puzzles. This is
<v Speaker 3>how my theory of why the world should just be
<v Speaker 3>Professor Layton, there should just be puzzle distribution happening at
<v Speaker 3>all times.
<v Speaker 1>I always thought The Riddler was a cautionary tale, but.
<v Speaker 2>It was gold hashtag.
<v Speaker 3>I realized recently that if I was going to turn
<v Speaker 3>into a Batman villain, it would not be the Joker,
<v Speaker 3>it would be the Riddler. I would absolutely go down
<v Speaker 3>that path. And the Riddler is kind of just Jigsaw
<v Speaker 3>when you think about it.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Jigsaw is basically the Riddlers where you go yes, yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you're right. Yeah. Well, thank you for watching, guys. We
<v Speaker 1>will see you next week on the Game of Former show. Bye.
<v Speaker 2>We