Angie Martinez IRL - June Ambrose: Styling Icons, Grief Attacks In Paris & Never Chasing Clout

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Speaker 1: Do you need a little bit of main character energy.

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Speaker 2: But that's like that people don't want it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Again, I had my conversation my sister. Yes, she's like, I don't want the attention. She was like, You've always liked attention.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: She's like, she's like we're so different, right, And I'm like, you don't want the attention. But yet when you get a compliment, you come on yourself. I mean it's like, you know, it's like like it's like an or it's agasmet Can you get it?

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Speaker 2: You know, someone tells you look pretty?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boostmobile.

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Speaker 2: This episode is about fashion. No, it's not about fashion. It will be about fashion, but it is more than a fashion conversation. Junia Ambrose has helped build the visual identity of hip hop from the ground up and many other things.

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Speaker 1: She has many accolades. She has done this as a woman, a black woman, a self taught no roadmap.

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Speaker 2: She raised the generation of stylists. She's raised two children, all while busting her ass. For over twenty five years. She's dressed icons like jay Z, Mariah Carey, Mister Elliott, and so many more, and she's now celebrating her own capsule collection with Naturaliza what she has on today and they're so cute. We'll get a close up of them later. And she's just a badass.

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Speaker 1: We love her. June Ambrose's in the building today.

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Speaker 2: July Reduction. Oh now I feel like I don't have to say anything. Yeah, you're just here. I always like google me. No, Hi June, how are you?

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Speaker 4: June?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: June?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: How is life?

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Speaker 2: How is real?

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Speaker 4: Life? Life is good?

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Speaker 2: Is it? Life is good?

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Speaker 3: I mean you know, I'm an empty nester now, so life is I'm adjusting.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's tough.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 3: It is like you feel like I have like new skin, Like I have two adults that really don't need me like they used to, and they need me in a different way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like I got my second half of the game.

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Speaker 1: We've had this conversation a few times on the pod because Lola came here right after Cayenne went to school. She it was her only sons, your single mom.

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Speaker 3: It really hit her hard. My friends with the only one child thing. I always check on them. It's like are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Ye?

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Speaker 4: Are you're okay?

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Speaker 2: When when Summer went to college.

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Speaker 3: Everybody was because they know how close my daughter and I am, and they're like, but my son and I are very close too. But they were just like, are you okay? But Summer and I are very visible. Yeah, you're like, you know, we're the Junie Summer Shelle. And I was like, I am okay because I've spent so much time with her. I'm actually happy for them.

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Speaker 2: Like I want. I felt good.

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Speaker 3: I felt accomplished, like I had raised humans, not by myself obviously, but like that I've raised young adults that were that were ready, And that to me is.

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Speaker 2: Why I'm okay. But do you miss them? Oh my goodness?

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Speaker 4: Like they talk.

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Speaker 3: You talk every days. It's like a thing, like it's summer at least four or five. My son he's you know, he'll go off in the wind. He's gone with the wind. But like, yeah, we're a speaking family. We have a group of family group chat, like it's important that we speak constantly.

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Speaker 2: And it's so much going on in the world.

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Speaker 3: And the Summer's out of state and she's a sheltered baby child but very impressively independent.

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Speaker 1: There is so much going on in the world. There is that it's like, who did I see the other day post? I think it was Adrian holand Adrian by Lana. She poasted that she's navigating her political rage.

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Speaker 2: I'm also exercising self care.

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Speaker 1: She was on our way to the gym, trying.

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Speaker 2: It's a really good way to put it right, like trying to manage that balance. How do you do that, june O?

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Speaker 3: You know, I prefer to lean on the side of joy because I know what grief feels like and that's way too heavy. And when I experienced it for the first time, because I realized I've never been sad, and because I'm just always like people like you live in another planet. That's why I come up with the universe, because I'm literally happy, happy.

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Speaker 2: All the time.

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Speaker 4: Are you really?

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Speaker 2: Is that real? It's real?

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Speaker 4: It is real.

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Speaker 3: It's an endorphin realness. Yeah, it's like a it's a little girl thing. It's a sense memory that I've tapped into that I know to constantly tap into it, right, And I think secretly the years of studying theater and drama, being a theatrical major, I don't tell that to add people, has taught me how to tap into sense memories that enable me to stay mentally solid because even on a bad day or if I'm disappointed, I can remember the things that brought me joy. I tap into them. Like an actress who would tap into something. I need her to cry. You know that exercise that's a muscle. You know, that's a you know, like joy is a muscle. You have to exercise what that feels like and know that it's okay to keep lifting that.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how you do that. Explain no, no, teach me that.

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Speaker 2: Because okay, so it's a bad day, whereat war, Yeah, thing.

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Speaker 1: Broken, my this dad, my mother's sick. But you know, like whatever whatever could be going on is going on, and now today I need to tap into some joy.

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Speaker 2: It's like sex.

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Speaker 3: You have to be present right into like what is going to make you feel good in what what's feeling good in that moment to get to that climactic place.

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Speaker 2: So think about that experience.

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Speaker 3: You know it's probably a weird Sex is so private, yeah, but you have to be present in it or you know, you don't get to enjoy it, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's like joy is the same way.

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Speaker 3: It's like that feeling of what makes you give you butterflies, what makes you giggle?

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Speaker 4: What made you laugh?

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Speaker 2: Like, what makes you want to dance? That song that just makes you feel so good? You high?

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Speaker 3: Like I've never had a drink or smoke in my life, and people always think I'm stone did parties or a colops because I'm like, you've never had a cocktail?

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Speaker 2: You never?

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Speaker 1: I just said to you because I was going to take you golf and I was like, oh, we have a cocktail and.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh yeah, yeah, of course you're a mocktail for me. If you have a mocktail, yeah, frocktail, sill and all this joy all the time. I was always a happy kid, so because I didn't have like, I was so spoiled and didn't have a lot of responsibility.

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Speaker 3: But as an adult, we have so many and that could be a real drag. So I'm always asking my young self to please just remind me of what that felt like to have no.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell me a time when you were down and then had to find the joy and then how you found it.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, when my mom passed away, when was that eight years ago?

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Speaker 4: And it feels like yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And I I realized I never knew what sadness felt like it was so foreign.

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Speaker 1: By the way, how blessed are you that you didn't know what sadness felt like until eight years ago?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Wow? That was like.

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Speaker 3: Because I was always sheltered from like when someone died, no, June's not going to the funeral, or you know, I've always sheltered, you know, from all of that. They protected me from those kind of things.

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Speaker 2: Very sensitive. I would an ambulance would go buy and I'm like.

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Speaker 3: So I's dying, and I started crying as a kid, like I was so emotional, like I hate people to be sad or I hate to see people in pain.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like epath. I'm so empathetic.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, I and so your pa took navigating that. Yeah, my mother was, Yeah, she understood that, and she really nurtured me with that. But interesting enough, when she was preparing to leave, she told me that it was.

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Speaker 2: Okay to go. I had left town.

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Speaker 3: So when I got the news, I was in California and I was getting ready for on the Run tour and I wasn't going to go obviously if because she was, you know, sick in the hospital. So I was like, you know, trying to figure out how to figure out it. Maybe it could's prep it. And you know, I never go on the road for one. I don't travel with If I design a tour, design the tour and then the wardrobe supervisors and the team take it over, I'm never on the road with it. But this time, you know, she had transitioned over and and the tour was going out and had to be in Paris with with J and B like maybe two weeks later, and I didn't want to grieve in front of my kids, and my husband had we had talked about it as a family, and he, you know, he said, if there was any two people that I think, you know that that I would feel okay with you being around during this time, it would be those two hey talking about it.

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Speaker 4: Guess me emotions.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I was having grief attacks constantly, and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he got me. Jay got me through it. Yeah he did.

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Speaker 3: He said it was okay. He such as let it run through you. And you know, people be like, don't cry, let it go, cry cry, and he said it was okay to be. You know, you feel guilty at work and you're like looking at the world like you we're look looking at rehearsals and I'm finding something just switched, the switch just turns off, just and he would look over me and I would just be crying up like I'm so sorry, and he's it's okay, Like you know, it's it's that's kindness, it's empathy and kindness, and you I've known him for so many years, and if he could ever as a friend, if anyone could ever give me anything, it was that the grace of just being there while I go through the most.

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Speaker 2: Life changing experience of my life. And it ended up being one.

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Speaker 3: Of the most you know, creative, you know, for me, I needed it like a new like reset creatively.

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Speaker 2: I even I look back at photos, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Even look like myself. I'm like, who is that person? I just looked so different. But I felt like I looked like my mother so much. And I had so many life changing experiences in Paris. As I was going through it. I had my team around me, which I was great tour too, oh man, and I did nice. So you know, it was like, yeah, I just remember like the first time I like smiled or laughed during that time, that grief period when people say you sit shiva where you feel like you're not supposed to do anything that you feel guilty about feeling that joy because you're paying respect to that person that you've lost. And every city that I that I went to I visited, I put a lock on my mother's initial on. I left it in every city, on a fence, on a bridge something. I was getting locks in every city, and I was locking her. Initially, I was taking her with me through that travel and all the places that she I knew she would want me to see and go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you were going.

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Speaker 1: She knew I'm on that tour. She knew that I had work.

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Speaker 3: She always like, go to work because like you know, when you when you when you have your own business and the phone rings, you got to take that job. You got to take that gig because you're self employed and you know you're the CEO and you have to run.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work without you. So she knew that and she yeah, I think that she.

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Speaker 4: Knew.

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Speaker 1: Any day of the week. Download the hard rock Bet app and make your first deposit every day. I want to make sure we go back to your mother, because I'm sure there's so much influence in who you've become and in your fashion sense and all of that stuff from your mom. So I do want to get to that. But something you just said is interesting to me about because whether it's Jay or b or your family or your siblings or your best friends, it's like, when we go through these dark times sometimes because I do the same thing you do. I don't want to I don't want to bring my.

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Speaker 2: Sadness in a room, especially when you're dealing with creatives. Oh my goodness, when they got to go on stage and bring joy to millions of people. You're in the dressing room with them backstage, and you're really not just wallpaper, like we're like, we're in their space energy, you know, we're energy.

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Speaker 3: And you know this because we I mean, over thirty years being around creatives, and that's why I've always approached it from a collaborative space. So they recognize that I'm an artist too, and I'm serious about my.

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Speaker 2: Shit too, you know.

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Speaker 3: So it's like the same way that you're like passionate about what you do and you're in that booth and you're you know, and if I have to put looks to the lyrics, and I'm just I'm sensitive about my shit too, but I don't make it about me. And I give so much making sure that they're prepared and they feel safe and that they feel like they can own this, you know, a moment. I think the best work is done when you know you can't tell someone did it, someone else did it for them. I think that's when it's like truly authentic. That to me is at the heart of like what a good costume designer, a stylist, collaborator or collaborator in general, a good co writer you know, you're with your writing team in the studio all that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's specially when you have when you're able to find your safe spaces to have those moments, because especially women, right, women in business, women who have to we came up. We're not only nurturers, but we have to. It's just strength that we carry around and so when our most vulnerable or sad or sometimes you know, we don't want to bring that in a room, right, I'd never want to bring it in a room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes you walk into a room and you have to read the room quickly and know what you need to give someone in that moment.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just quiet. I just wonder what gave you the.

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Speaker 1: Comfort to be okay to share yourself that moment?

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Speaker 3: The permission, right, It's like, yeah, I had to give myself permission to do that because growing up single parent home, you do a lot of the latch key kid, You do a lot of self reflecting. You know, your parents can only do so much, right, Like, my mom was such a like we're back to her again.

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Speaker 2: She's I think she's at the center of EDGCA.

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Speaker 3: She couldn't be there, she couldn't watch us twenty four to seven because she was providing. So it was like we had to take responsibility at a very early age for our actions and recognizing that they had consequences. Everything that we did not only affected us, but it would affect her. And we didn't want to disappoint because we recognized what she was sacrificing at a very young age, not because she you know, I wasn't I never got a spanking. My mother wasn't a yeller.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's like a punishment lasted maybe like thirty minutes because she felt bad for me pouting in the corner.

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Speaker 2: It's like you're not to that. So I was like at the I.

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Speaker 3: Was like the epitome of spoiled right, Like I just at MESK. So I think like when yeah, I was God was when you say, like what gave me the permission? It's like I didn't know any other way but to get what I wanted, you know. So I was always very precocious. I was always just like why not, Like why not try this? Like who's going to stop me? Like there was no one to stop. And then as a parent, when she was supposed to like kind of protect me from like fashion decisions, and I just remember I never forget this that day and I was like, it's rain is snowing outside. I always wanted to wear my church clothes to school, like it was a thing. I always wanted to wear my Sunday dress with like sneakers or boots or just disrupt things, take it out of context. And that was who I always was from a very young age. And she was like, you cannot wear your church shoes with your smartpants or your jeans. Those are your church shoes. And the slip where you're gonna fall I'm like. I was like, it's my outfit.

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Speaker 2: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: I was like, it was a big fight. She was like, go I leave out of that building. I come back five minutes later, crying, blusted, my ass, bruised up, slid down the hill.

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Speaker 2: Look cute, she said.

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Speaker 3: I told you, like, I'm not telling you because I want to change who you are. I was just telling you because I'm trying to protect you. But the beautiful thing is she didn't overproduce me, so I was always able to wear a cape, you know, at a very young age, and even growing up in the Bronx, they didn't understand what I was giving. They used to call me all kind of names, and we were you know, I'm from the West Indies, so being cool being Caribbean back then was not cool. Before the Fujis you were like they would say all kind of horrible, derogatory things to people with accents and being from the Islands was not a.

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Speaker 2: Thing you were. And this is like black on black crime.

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Speaker 3: Hispanics like spurring at us, like I grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood Awalita, you know, you know, Domqo like, and I was like, I was think I was from I was Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was from the monks.

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Speaker 3: But the discrimination against you know, Hispanics and blacks back then was no different than what was like it was black and white.

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Speaker 4: It was unreal.

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Speaker 2: It's mind blowing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know we've all experienced it in some way. Yeah, I think I've gotten it from everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I love that she gave you that type of permission. So wait, so okay, so you're young. You have all these little cute looks going on. This is this is clearly your This is a gift, right like your fashion sense.

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Speaker 4: What do you attribute that to?

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Speaker 1: Is it a gift?

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Speaker 2: It is a gift, but it's also a muscle.

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Speaker 3: And you know, creativity is absorbed in many different ways. You know when my as a parent, like I would take my kids museum, I would expose them to a lot of different things.

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Speaker 2: My mom did the same thing for me too as well.

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Speaker 3: Early you know, when I was younger, she would take us down to CBS Studios. We'll leave the Bronx and go to Midtown and go to the city, go to Central very very early, so taking us out of the environment. She sent me away to none day New York to like to live on a farm for two weeks, you know, with a white family with the fresh air fund. Like, these things are a life changing and it also play into creativity because it helps you to see the world from a from a different through a different lens, and you know, you can't have tunnel vision as a creative. So for me, it was as much exposure as I could give my kids and as much exposure as I received. Growing up in inner city was very, very I think crucial to who I became. That makes sense, Yeah, I think that was a big part of it. And then studying like theater, and.

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Speaker 1: Probably great for all parents to hear.

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Speaker 2: It's like, how do you nurture the creative spirit children?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: And that is it that is exposing them.

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Speaker 2: To We have so much, We have so much more information that we didn't have then. Like in school, they were just like, oh, she you know, she can't hey focused, she's always yapping.

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Speaker 3: You know, every report card said the same thing. No one said attention, that's no one used those.

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Speaker 2: She's a creative.

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Speaker 4: No one said that.

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Speaker 3: Even though I showed creativity even from elementary school.

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Speaker 2: I put on my first fashion show in my elementary school.

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Speaker 3: I organized it and produced it.

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Speaker 2: It was insane.

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Speaker 3: I was like I would make I was a hustler too because I needed money, extra money, so I would make book covers.

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Speaker 2: Like at the time when we you know, the books, we had.

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Speaker 3: To protect our books, our textbooks because if they came back damage, your parents would have to pay for them.

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Speaker 2: So we would cover them with you know papers.

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Speaker 3: I was making custom book covers and selling them for ten cents and five cents. I was making create paper and sewing pencil holders and selling those at schools.

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Speaker 4: I was very enterprising. That's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I've always like entrepreneurship. It's always been like it's always been in my grades.

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Speaker 2: It's the combination of creativity and entrepreneurship together that creates a juvenam post hustler.

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Speaker 1: But you know what else too, It's like I was thinking about this earlier too, And this probably pertains to a lot of people, even outside what you do in acts of service. People who are in like service business or assistance or secretary or people who support other people or help other people sometimes can get a little bit lost in the secondary position, right, But you have seemed to find a way. You did find a way, not seem to, but you have found a way to make sure, Like you said, like even with Jay, how this is collaborative and was it always like that that you have to find that because I can see that people in those type of positions, I always I admire those type of positions because they do sometimes get lost. I have many friends who support other people, and I'm always like, you need a little bit of main character energy, like.

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Speaker 2: Thing, don't want it? You know.

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Speaker 3: Again, I had my conversation my sister. She's like, I don't want the attention. She was like, You've always liked attention, you know. She's like, She's like, we're so different, right, I'm like, you don't want the attention, but yet when you get a compliment, you come on yourself. I mean it's like, you know, it's like it's like it's like an orgas, it's urgas.

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Speaker 2: Mat can get it.

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Speaker 3: You know, someone tells you look pretty.

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Speaker 4: She loves it.

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Speaker 2: She loves everyone who doesn't love a compliment.

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Speaker 1: But I understand there is a difference you and I'm like, you would think I'm not I'm more like her.

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Speaker 2: I don't enjoy I believe you. But when you but I don't feel like but I feel like you have received.

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Speaker 3: What that feels like when you walk into a building, you know what it's like people recognize you all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, well, I appreciated a moment or I appreciate it and it's something that makes me feel good. And yeah, I get a compliment. Listen, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I'm modest too.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I'm very modest and I can be very shy.

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Speaker 1: I know that's very confusing. So you walk around Manhattan with this help in your head. No, you are not trying to blend in anywhere. You want to be seen. You are comfortable seeing.

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Speaker 3: You are clown am because I like making friends and I like meeting people, and I feel like it's like it attracts, like.

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Speaker 2: You know, the energy that I want. And even if you don't get it, I'll never forget.

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Speaker 3: I got off a plane from LA and there was this and this was recent because I've been wearing these cowboy heads for like three years now. And the person with the wheelchairs, it comes up, people with the wheelchairs.

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Speaker 2: I come off the plane, hat on my cowboy hat and I'm blanket.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I look like I just came from another planet and she starts she laughs in my face and she was like, you look like a witch. This is what she said to me. And I was like, so it comes at a price, right. It's like, well, it could have been bad and it didn't end good for her, but I, you know, I was like, wow, I could be a victim and actually take offense to what she was saying, or realize that.

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Speaker 2: I can't be everything to everyone.

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Speaker 3: So when you think about that, it's like, you know, I go back to artists again. You know, you can't make music, you know, for the audience. You have to make music for yourself that you love it. You know, that's like what It's an expression of who you are. So I thought about it in the same way. You know, my initial reaction was how dare you r? I was like, how dare you speak to me that way? And I said to hers that that is not very nice because you don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Does it make it okay for you to speak to me that way?

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Speaker 4: Good for you?

00:24:43
Speaker 3: And it's just And it was quick because we were hustling, We're walking off the plane. But I had to say it in order to recover, So I like to unpack trauma quick I don't like to hold on to trauma because that could change how I start to see myself, or you know, think of but the young me. Someone's judging you, and you immediately think, Okay, this didn't work for that person. No one's gonna like it. Let me conform to what society finds to be acceptable. And I was just like, I'm not. I live in the universe, and I don't. I believe in the universe there are other planets and tons of stars, and there's this empty space that I can exist in and attract and that light and all of those things that happens in space is where I'd rather live.

00:25:30
Speaker 2: I need my own universe. Yeah, I need that planet Earth could be cruel.

00:25:35
Speaker 1: So we should all have a universe like what is your what is your like?

00:25:40
Speaker 2: What is your antiverse?

00:25:42
Speaker 1: Like?

00:25:42
Speaker 2: What is my anti verse? What everybody should figure out?

00:25:45
Speaker 1: What is the way that you operate through the world that is only yours and that you protect it so that you don't lose yourself in other people's whatever expectations, opinions, all those things.

00:25:58
Speaker 2: But think about it. It's like when artists on stage, you know, they are immediately transformed, that the energy that you get from the audience that it's almost like it's a high.

00:26:13
Speaker 5: You know.

00:26:13
Speaker 3: It's like when people like you know, fame is a drug. You know, people get really intoxicated by it. I don't subscribe to like fame. I subscribe to like energy. Right, It's a source. It's how it's at the end of my life, at the end of this journey. I would hope that people remember the way I made them feel. And I think fashion and style is an expression of that. And however provocative and whatever opinion you may have drawn from what I was presenting, I still made you feel a certain way, and I could I could live with that, right, I could live with that. And that's how I want to live my life, constantly, reinventing myself constantly, you know. I think that's the unlock.

00:27:04
Speaker 4: Yes, but you.

00:27:05
Speaker 1: Do have to to do what you do. There does have to be a certain like how you said the difference between you and your sister. Yeah, because I don't think everybody like you said, some people don't want you, they do.

00:27:19
Speaker 4: It.

00:27:20
Speaker 2: I do not wish to walk.

00:27:21
Speaker 1: Sometimes I walk around the city with a gray hoody on and and whatever, like just that's it.

00:27:28
Speaker 5: I like blending right, I just like it and and it's a it's a trend, right, it's also like a trend.

00:27:34
Speaker 2: Right. Well, I don't do it to be well quiet luxury.

00:27:36
Speaker 3: Right now they say, okay, well, lucky me, so you're you are a timeless It's not more quiet luxury.

00:27:44
Speaker 4: That's not my point.

00:27:45
Speaker 1: I'm just acknowledging the difference in types of like personalities where fashion is concerned.

00:27:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to know. I have to acknowledge it too as well.

00:27:53
Speaker 3: To be honest, I have to acknowledge it when I design a collection, when I'm like when I'm putting out collaborations and co burning to think about the customer that it's it's a it's a very interesting when you start to create consumer goods, you have to think about that person that doesn't want that much attention. But then you also have to create something that's going to push them a little bit out of their comfort zone, which I've done my entire career. My job is to forecast, is to is to is to insist that you feel something in the in the experience right of transforming, evolving. What we're doing is something very transformative. You know, when you're in charge, when you are collaborating with someone and you're in charge of their image and likeness, and sometimes it's not collaborative. Sometimes someone is like, take me, figure it out for me. Help, you know, like I can't articulate what it is that I know I want to be, so just show me and I'll let you know how it if it, if it, if it feels right.

00:28:49
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like that.

00:28:51
Speaker 3: It's not always like someone's telling you, you know, for you. Yeah, honestly, yeah, I would like to do that.

00:28:59
Speaker 6: I would I would like I would submit. I mean, we had this experience before MTV Awards. You were like, oh Lord Jesus, like, I don't want to where this goes. But we got a lot of attention we did. She was so bad at me, was.

00:29:16
Speaker 1: So mad here.

00:29:17
Speaker 2: She was like, you made me the ten woman.

00:29:20
Speaker 1: Here's why I.

00:29:21
Speaker 4: Was mad at you.

00:29:21
Speaker 1: It was a ladies first, it was ladies night, it was I.

00:29:25
Speaker 3: Think we should talk about it right, because it's not always going to be you know, because I don't blame you though, because this is not your fault.

00:29:31
Speaker 2: I take responsibility though.

00:29:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is not your fault. Here's what happened. I'm a young girl who gets thrown into this mix with these experienced artists. I was not an artist. I had no real experience in public uh and definitely not performance. Getting on stage MTV Awards was a big deal. We just out of nowhere. I just chopped on a song and the song went crazy.

00:29:55
Speaker 2: It's crazy and we got a Grammy nomination.

00:29:57
Speaker 1: Where at the MTV Awards.

00:29:58
Speaker 2: I don't have a team.

00:29:59
Speaker 1: I don't I have a stylist.

00:30:01
Speaker 2: I don't have all the things that all the other girls had.

00:30:03
Speaker 1: They so they did. You were not even my stylist.

00:30:07
Speaker 4: No, I know.

00:30:07
Speaker 2: They said, didn't trust me.

00:30:09
Speaker 1: Because because I didn't know you.

00:30:12
Speaker 2: I didn't know you.

00:30:13
Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't trust you, it's that they said, here June, take care.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: Of her too, And I would, yeah, yeah, what what is it?

00:30:21
Speaker 1: I don't have any I would and I.

00:30:22
Speaker 3: Was customing everything that I was literally custom designing everything at.

00:30:26
Speaker 2: That time, and they gave you this. I had a day. We didn't even collaborate on it, and we didn't have a conversation, take time.

00:30:33
Speaker 1: And say to me, okay, what is.

00:30:36
Speaker 2: Martinez?

00:30:37
Speaker 1: Who is And we didn't have any of that. They threw me to you.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: I was like, this is when you were already in the thing. You put me in the theme, which was fine. And then the day of the awards, I had no shoes.

00:30:51
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you remembers all the details.

00:30:54
Speaker 1: You know.

00:30:56
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I had no shoes. And then they I said, what I'm standing there? We're about to go out, and I have enough shoes on my friend to give you.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: I think somebody was somebody came running down and said, June said wear these and they were these.

00:31:09
Speaker 2: Ashes, like I really hate you.

00:31:11
Speaker 4: Know I did. I didn't love you that moment.

00:31:13
Speaker 1: There were these big, chunky black shoes, which had we had some time together, you would know these are not the shoes her affection. So I don't blame you because they threw me at you.

00:31:23
Speaker 2: And that was you know.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: What I learned in that moment is like I have to be in control. But I didn't know better at the time. I was fresh and young whatever. But I learned. I learned because what I would never do it. Yes, I was not going to show up at an event unprepared, not knowing when I was gonna wear, not knowing who was gonna help me wear, Like I didn't. You just happened to be poor.

00:31:44
Speaker 3: The poor person that it was the story of my life. But I also had to be the person that nurtured that you were unhappy, that you were that you that you were nervous by everything. I recognize all of those things in the moment, and that's why I said to over one. Yeah, that's why I said I take responsibility because at the even though we all of these things, of course I left.

00:32:13
Speaker 2: If you weren't happy. I knew that.

00:32:16
Speaker 3: I felt I took responsibility for that because it was my job to make sure you were regardless.

00:32:22
Speaker 2: So when I say to you like that will always sit with me.

00:32:25
Speaker 3: But you know, I can't make excuses, and I think a good leader doesn't make excuses. You take responsibility, You apologize and you have and that's how you again unpack the trauma, own it and move on. Because if I sit and give you excuses, oh blah blah blah, you know I don't have time to thrown at me. Well you don't want to hear that, you know, But only that I can look at you and say, is you know, Angie, you are one hundred percent right. I recognize that you're unhappy, and I apologize, and you shouldn't have to experience that. That's my job, that's my role. That's what I take on when I say yes. And if I didn't want to take it on, I shouldn't have said yes. I did so I have to.

00:33:08
Speaker 2: You were young too, by the way, of course, But I'm saying like I felt it, like I owned it. You know, I wasn't happy that you were unhappy. Oh, Julie, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna have a due. We're gonna wear the anniversary neutralized. I need more than that. I'm I'm gonna do it all. I'm gonna do it. You know.

00:33:31
Speaker 4: It's funny.

00:33:31
Speaker 2: I had this cover after You'll Stop Angie.

00:33:35
Speaker 4: We had this conversation.

00:33:36
Speaker 2: I had this conversation a couple a couple of months ago with ferg you know, yeah, of course, Oh my god, he's amazing.

00:33:43
Speaker 4: I just love him.

00:33:44
Speaker 2: He I love how he sees me too, the way he.

00:33:48
Speaker 3: Probably a doors yeah, he you know, it's like this is a different I recognize our generation is so different from this.

00:33:57
Speaker 2: He's the news somewhat. He's in the middle of the new Yeah, he's in the middle.

00:34:00
Speaker 3: He's like in high school, there's a there's a generation of young designers creative directors that all are like you know, yeah, and like even recently, you know, asap with you know, and people don't know that I was a costume designer for Belly and they redid.

00:34:23
Speaker 2: For rape and I for me, I sit back and I feel so relevant.

00:34:28
Speaker 1: Because you designed that first the scene.

00:34:31
Speaker 3: I the movie was mine. Look at the film costume designer June Ambrose in the opening credits, you know.

00:34:39
Speaker 2: So for me, that was it was great.

00:34:42
Speaker 3: It immediately said, you know, to texting Hi Williams and I a texting and I'm like, this is great.

00:34:47
Speaker 4: You know.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: Do you need the recognition for that?

00:34:49
Speaker 4: No?

00:34:50
Speaker 2: I mean that was enough for me. I mean I'm just used to not getting it. Are you really about that?

00:34:56
Speaker 4: Yeah? What is that?

00:34:56
Speaker 2: Does that?

00:34:57
Speaker 4: I don't know?

00:34:58
Speaker 2: Does it that you do? I can't give it that.

00:35:00
Speaker 3: I can't give them that much power, because I if I that's like becoming this victim, you know, oh, people like, oh you need your flowers. No, No, I get my flowers. I am very blessed. I am like my I am still like in it, And to me, that is that blessing being able to the phone still like that people still wanting to collaborate with me, you know, being able to bring products to the marketplace, to the larger consumer, you know, being able to have that. I spent four years, like you know, launching women's basketball at a time when women's basketball wasn't even a thing at Puma and in the industry, and now look at women in basketball.

00:35:36
Speaker 2: I was ahead of it.

00:35:37
Speaker 3: I said, this is something that we need to really get behind and support, like they're counting on us. The same way I felt about hip hop culture it crossing over into high fashion. So again, what my conversations with ast Ferg's like, you know, he recognized my contribution, you know, my bust to rhymes by Missy Elliots, my Jaysey, all that stuff that I can't continue to like ride on because it's to me, it's like a two decades old Yes, I need to be able to be relevant with everyone else. I'm glad you guys are like, But for me, I'm like, okay, Like I don't want to be a husband, So what do you do?

00:36:12
Speaker 2: What's your you know, Like for me, I'm always like, what's my next?

00:36:15
Speaker 4: What's next?

00:36:15
Speaker 2: What am I What can I crack and break the mold on next and you know when I was you know, you know, when I partnered with you know, Puma to work with them and launch that division, that was like for me, that was like the next, Like that was an important task because you're talking about a culture that we needed to build and form and create and I was responsible for that, and that I like responsibility.

00:36:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, you own it.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: I like your arms around that the thing I wanted to go back to with for We had this conversation about I was telling you about an experience that I had. I never really been to a passion show and there was somebody we were having this conversation and somebody was talking about somebody else and they said, oh, she reeks of effort, And they weren't talking about meaning.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: Nobody else, but what I said I felt that. I was like, yeah, she does wreaking.

00:37:07
Speaker 1: I don't want to ever feel like I am wreaking of efforts, Like I don't.

00:37:11
Speaker 2: Such a fashion snob statement.

00:37:12
Speaker 1: It is a snobby statement, but also it's a real life statement because it's like do you Because we were also talking about flow state and like should you have to be trying so hard to.

00:37:25
Speaker 2: Impress people be part of what's hot?

00:37:28
Speaker 1: What's part of what proper? And like, where is the line because you're a soulful person too, You're not just a creative or a fashion girl, right, Like, so where is the line between how you present where fashion is concerned and what's inside and what matters on the inside, Like where do you how do you navigate that?

00:37:48
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure you've even been in some fashion rooms where you're like, oh, these people are.

00:37:52
Speaker 4: Full of shit.

00:37:55
Speaker 3: I honestly, I don't even consider myself to be like a fashion girl really that it's like, first of all, everything is so segregated, Like you know, you go to fashion shows.

00:38:07
Speaker 4: Now you have the.

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Editors and the condie nests.

00:38:11
Speaker 3: You know, you have the editorial stylists, you have the you know, the music culture athlete you know stylists, and then you have the influencers. So like everyone's in like these buckets and everyone has an opinion about everyone, and.

00:38:30
Speaker 2: It's like it's a thing. Yeah, and I just want to be in the universe. I don't be part of it because I feel like, yeah, it's like what is.

00:38:43
Speaker 4: What is true to you?

00:38:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really the answer to the question.

00:38:47
Speaker 3: It's it's like, you know, especially at this age, I'm like, what do you want from me?

00:38:51
Speaker 2: I just I'm just trying to enjoy this time.

00:38:54
Speaker 1: I want to wear with you, Like what to you?

00:38:56
Speaker 2: What is the what is I don't have to ask permission?

00:39:00
Speaker 1: I know what is? Like? What do you appreciate about it? Well, somebody who comes in it is ownership.

00:39:07
Speaker 3: It is like looking at someone who I really enjoy watching someone even when it's quiet luxury and it's like super like effortless or it's you know, I enjoy.

00:39:20
Speaker 2: People trying.

00:39:22
Speaker 3: So when someone says like it's so much effort, thank god, because you think about it, we'll think about it as a designer. Right if if fashion is mute without style, and what is style? It's a language, it's a conversation. It's how you articulate. So if someone doesn't even at least try to tell a story, even if it's effortless, or know what they may seem to be like you know the row very quiet luxury, just a simple T shirt and you know a very Haley Bieber like you know, no hats, no bells and whistles. You know that is what the new acceptable norm is. Right, So society is saying this is what we find to be sophisticated. I would be like like they would be disgusted by me, you know, like because it's just like so many things.

00:40:12
Speaker 2: But I'm like, but it's me.

00:40:14
Speaker 3: It's like I've left the house without a hat and I felt like I left without anything all and I felt naked.

00:40:19
Speaker 2: You know, I've left without big glasses or.

00:40:21
Speaker 3: I like punctuation. First of all, I'm five foot two. Okay, my hat gives me hYP you know, whatever shape I'm doing. And you know, it's like I'm a little person. And again, I don't want to fit in. I don't want to fit in. I want to I want to, you know, to stand on the scene and explode. Yeah, I'm just I want to arrive.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: I wish for everybody to find their own universe, whatever that is.

00:40:45
Speaker 2: Just like, if like simplicity is your thing, I enjoy that too. I just love it.

00:40:51
Speaker 3: I just love when people actually feel like themselves and effortless. Because the swag, when people talk about they have that thing, that swag is what translates everything.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: That's the unlock.

00:41:08
Speaker 3: You know, you could put the same outfit on two different people, and the swag is so because the translation is really.

00:41:15
Speaker 1: What is that what is the definition persona?

00:41:18
Speaker 3: Definition of it's like, it's the definition of swag is persona. It is confidence, it is attitude, it is articulation at its finest and that can't be that's unmatched. So when people are trying to find themselves, just find the thing that really makes you feel like you're speaking your language.

00:41:41
Speaker 1: What about to somebody who wants to I'm sure we have a.

00:41:45
Speaker 2: Lot of women that watch the pod.

00:41:47
Speaker 1: What about if somebody's board where they're at or where or they wear the same things all the time. They do the same things all the time and they want to switch.

00:41:57
Speaker 2: They want to reimagine, Yeah, what do you do?

00:42:00
Speaker 1: What is the recommending?

00:42:01
Speaker 3: I think that you have to step outside of like you know, like those kind of people typically like to just kind of admire and think because I hear this a.

00:42:09
Speaker 2: Lot, Oh I couldn't do that. Oh I can't pull that off. But have you tried? And it could be.

00:42:14
Speaker 3: As simple as changing your lip color, cutting your hair.

00:42:19
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a full overall overall.

00:42:22
Speaker 3: It could be adding a color if you never wear color, if you do, if you're a person that only wears like khaki, black and white over like very neutrals, and you throw a neon in there, or you throw you know, like a primary color in there. You've reimagined and reinvented yourself because you've tried something that is not or perfect example, taking something out of context. Like when I'm creating a design, I'm working on something I'm always taking out of context. Early in my career, my signature in design was taking athletic silhouettes and merging them with luxurious fabrics leather, suedes, pony. I was taking the silhouettes were very.

00:43:08
Speaker 2: Traditional, a denim.

00:43:10
Speaker 3: Jacket or a trap jacket silhouette. But I was reimagining you know these things, and that's really what design is. You're reimagining, you know, it's the interpretation of Yeah, you're reimagining a silhouette. You're giving it different shape and form. How the peplum has been around forever, but are we using horse here to give it shape and give it stiffness?

00:43:35
Speaker 2: Like? What is that fabric in that?

00:43:36
Speaker 3: You know, the expision of that pattern that's going to disrupt am I doing a blue song sleeve on a track jacket opposed to a traditional drop shoulder a raglin in set sleep, but adding those little details is designed reimagine and you know, I think about style in the same way. It's how you interpret and take things out of context to make it your own.

00:44:00
Speaker 2: Is how you create a conversation.

00:44:03
Speaker 4: So there's no like.

00:44:06
Speaker 1: Generic tips, there's no tip across the board that works for everybody, like don't do this, do that.

00:44:11
Speaker 2: There's none of that. I mean, I wrote a book about it. It's very It was very generic.

00:44:14
Speaker 3: They had all the like Effortless Style, how to chieve iconic Style, you know, Effortless Style was the name of my book, and it was very commercial one oh one on how to Achieve Iconic Style with ease. Yeah, and it had all of the generic things. We can go back to the fundamentals, right, but we're beyond that. We're at the point where we have to make people uncomfortable.

00:44:39
Speaker 4: M hm, it's okay.

00:44:42
Speaker 2: Uncomfortable is a good feeling.

00:44:43
Speaker 3: When you first meet someone, you're nervous, you have butterflies, you don't know if you like this person, but you're getting to know them, you're trying it, you're trying them on.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: Like when our.

00:44:51
Speaker 3: Daughter first started dating, we were like, you got to try on different shoes, different you know, try you know, not.

00:44:57
Speaker 2: Saying God and be a sluck. I'm just saying, you know, date, you know date. It's okay to date and meet someone, and so you have to get to pity.

00:45:06
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with discovering the new you discovering your style. I'm always gonna metaphorically and draw interpretations from different life experiences for you to.

00:45:16
Speaker 2: Find yourself when it comes to style. Maybe that's the second book. I love that as a book. I buy the book. I would buy that book right now.

00:45:27
Speaker 1: Where is the line between dressing for yourself and dressing for other people?

00:45:32
Speaker 2: Because they say, like, when you walk in a room, how you.

00:45:35
Speaker 1: People will judge you immediately, and you know there's there's reasons why people want to look nice when they go to things.

00:45:41
Speaker 2: It's like for other people, But what is.

00:45:44
Speaker 1: Where is the line between being in your universe and dressing for outside approval opinion?

00:45:55
Speaker 2: It's it's for me. It's like are you naked or do you have on clothes? You know what I mean?

00:46:01
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

00:46:02
Speaker 3: It's like I've broken down into my bronze panties. On social media, people thought I was having a life crisis, but I was basically trying to express that self awareness, self confidence, being okay with who and what you are is enough.

00:46:21
Speaker 2: And when you start to feel like.

00:46:24
Speaker 3: Just stripped down that that's enough, then starting to layer things on top of that starts to feel a little bit more tangible and and it relates back to silhouettes, like finding that silhouette that really makes you feel confident and it's flattering to your body, both men and women. It comes from a there's a clinical psychology to that how you get to that place. You know why you may see, you know certain people wearing things that are ill fitting and they have no idea that it's sabotaging their bodies because in their minds they have come to terms with how they look physically and they're like, I'm gonna wear whatever.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: There is.

00:47:11
Speaker 3: There is an honesty there that I that, even though we may have an opinion about it, that I have to admire.

00:47:20
Speaker 2: And that is like you put that on and you came outside and you own it, So I'm not gonna I have to respect that.

00:47:31
Speaker 3: Now I may have an opinion about it, where I feel like my opinion is to like, I could offer you something that could be a lot more flattering, but will it disrupt what you have psychologically, that journey that you've been on.

00:47:43
Speaker 2: I don't want to compromise.

00:47:45
Speaker 3: So again, it takes time and and and the experience of working with someone like myself.

00:47:52
Speaker 2: It does.

00:47:52
Speaker 3: It's it's an evolution and it's an it's a it's a psychological understanding of what people need to feel confident and to step out in something that they didn't initially own. And we didn't initially own this, but we owned our skin, our body, our flesh.

00:48:15
Speaker 2: We own that. Why I went why, I was like, my body's my temple. I went vegan.

00:48:22
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm gonna like to me, that is the first thing. You take care of the temple, the.

00:48:28
Speaker 2: Temple, and then the confidence is built off of all of that. You feel good.

00:48:35
Speaker 1: You know.

00:48:35
Speaker 3: Energy is important, yeah, for sure, but that's maintenance. So people are like, oh my god, you have so much like I have. Like I protect it. I protect my energy, I protect my space, I protect who's in you know, who's in my in my circle?

00:48:48
Speaker 2: You take care of your temple, yes, because you know you eat well.

00:48:53
Speaker 4: I eat well, exercises.

00:48:55
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, exercise, oh not as much as I should. But I feel like getting out of the bedroom.

00:48:59
Speaker 4: We'll see dancing.

00:49:00
Speaker 3: I do get my steps in, but I would like to start to do a little bit more focused workout. Like strength training is definitely my focus right now. Yeah, muscle mass, that's very important. But I wouldn't mind taking like a pilates and a little bickroom.

00:49:18
Speaker 2: To keep my job, to keep my joy loose. You know, eahing is cruel. It could be cruel, itahing could be very cruel.

00:49:26
Speaker 4: I know how you do?

00:49:27
Speaker 2: How do you deal with that? Especially in your world where everything is so visual. I mean, you look amazing, thank you.

00:49:34
Speaker 1: You should feel good, but it probably becomes a little hard as you get older.

00:49:39
Speaker 2: It's harder to maintain they're looking and feeling good. I mean honestly, like I get down a little bit. Like you know, first of all, comparison is will rob you of all your joy.

00:49:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I try not to, like whenever I feel like that feeling of like oh my god, like this is happening, And then you're looking around you and like and people are equating like asi your relevancy.

00:50:02
Speaker 2: It's like, I hate asism.

00:50:04
Speaker 3: It's like so horrible that people like, you know, you get a certain age and they're like Auntie.

00:50:08
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like, don't call me auntie Auntie.

00:50:12
Speaker 3: If you're gonna mama jew me, great, but you better be in your twenties. Yeah, not in your forties. Like it kills me. You know, it kills me when they when they when they start to I'm not a fan of that because I know what that, what that attracts, and what that what's the connotation behind it. So I'm always like they're like, oh, just out of respect, you can just you want to respect me, call me miss Ambrose or you know, miss June or whatever.

00:50:34
Speaker 2: You want to have respect like a Southerner. Fine, but Auntie, you know, it's a little bit very personal.

00:50:39
Speaker 4: I'm not into it either.

00:50:41
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're not into very hat too. Right, It's like it's right, It's like, all right, what are you trying to say? You know what I mean? Because you know they'd be trying to they be slick talking. You got to catch them quick, the little slick talkers, and they'd be trying it like that slick talk. What about answer your question?

00:50:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, it all.

00:51:01
Speaker 2: There's no right wrong answers. I know, it's like old places. We just I could have mad a question really quickly.

00:51:09
Speaker 1: I loved the story about on the run. I want I wonder about like because even to go back to that day of me being in that, you know, I was never I always kind of struggle with wait, like me, I was up and down right, and so even back then, even so even in that moment that we talked about the MTV Awards, I was probably like, you know, I couldn't really wear what Little Kim was wearing.

00:51:32
Speaker 2: I remember that I couldn't wear you know, I was I didn't really feel that, but.

00:51:40
Speaker 1: I remember like.

00:51:43
Speaker 2: What you did with Missy right, and we got.

00:51:48
Speaker 3: What I think we like on the here's the thing about that, we were like on the Worst Dress List.

00:51:53
Speaker 2: We was like, yeah, wait for that. I did the plaid hat with the matching golfer.

00:51:57
Speaker 3: Cleats and and and that remix it that I need his track jacket and people like this. Next that season, do your runway flat sports where clam diggers, fabric covered plaid.

00:52:14
Speaker 2: Cleats, and.

00:52:17
Speaker 1: So sometimes we have we do a golf I'm just do a golf outfit.

00:52:22
Speaker 2: Let's do let's do it big, Let's do it.

00:52:24
Speaker 3: Let's do a big let's too, Let's do it very collaborative so people can buy into it.

00:52:28
Speaker 2: Okay, not a one off.

00:52:29
Speaker 3: I think big now, I think enterprising, Honey.

00:52:37
Speaker 4: No one off.

00:52:39
Speaker 2: We're building. We're building, we're building empires.

00:52:41
Speaker 4: We'll get we'll get it. But she loves it.

00:52:45
Speaker 2: She's like, yes, no. But you know, Missy who who was not the sample size either, you found a way to make her a fly. And even though the data suits, I was like, oh, I'm so happy that these are the styles because we could. You were like studding them out and do it. And and then I started wearing those feeling to you and feeling like I was in a you know.

00:53:10
Speaker 3: That you had some creative license, right, Yes, we took creative license and that ip we kind of we took so much creative license we were able to. I was able to go to add at us and do the first collaboration artists, well not the first because they did run DMC, but Missy in terms of in her genre. I remember at the time female artists first collaboration respect me, I was a creative director with it and her with you know, with her on it, and that was befair. So you see all these collaborative like partnerships now and it's like we you know, I'm gonna say it out loud, we did it in two thousands. In the two thousands, we did it, and yeah, and it's not you know, it's like we did it because we knew that we were worthy of it. But those seeds, I think are just did the way those big brands saw our culture and the power of our influence and the impact that it was going to have and not just from you taking and culture vultering it. But you had to partner. You had to partner, and we made we made it a thing. So the prerequisite was if you want, if you want to play this game, you have to play it with us.

00:54:28
Speaker 2: You have to be on the team.

00:54:30
Speaker 3: And I just I look at everything now and know yeah, and everyone talks about it.

00:54:36
Speaker 2: Like it's like so new, You're like been there, did that? I was like, okay, I I heard you. Gotcha, hey, guys.

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00:55:25
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00:55:30
Speaker 8: I just have to tell you that I absolutely love and adore you everything that you stand for for black culture, for black women, and also the drops you've been having on style lettics. I love and need every pair and every color. Okay, now that that's out the way, do not have to ask you about black designers because I'm noticing this pattern where black designers who have shaped culture and that we all love get dragged the second thing, make one mistake, and other major retailers do far worse with zero public consequence. I think about how one article from the Cut essentially like took down pr Moss and how most recently with Hanifa, she's getting dragged left and right on the internet because of delayed orders. But I'm like, Shean has delayed orders all the time, and I don't see any tiktoks, I think pieces or anything like that about math y'all love to go back to.

00:56:19
Speaker 1: Shean, you know what I mean.

00:56:21
Speaker 8: And as someone who is a legend and og in the fashion industry, I wanted to ask you what does responsible accountability actually look like for black brands, especially knowing that the margin of air is so thin and one bad press cycle or one bad article can be lights out for their business.

00:56:39
Speaker 1: Wow.

00:56:40
Speaker 3: Well, it's loaded and so provocative and so honest and so true and so sad and so makes me angry.

00:56:49
Speaker 2: You know.

00:56:51
Speaker 3: It makes me angry for so many reasons because we are our worst enemy, you know. And I always tell like, you know, young designers, And I've had this conversation with Lakwan Smith early in his career.

00:57:04
Speaker 2: I used to tell him.

00:57:06
Speaker 3: Stop chasing retail. It's and this was before there was a tel Far. I would like what Telfar built without retail is what I was telling lu Kwan. Focus on production. Manufacturing all of those things. You're chasing retail that has the ability to destroy your business, and yeah, you'll get there, but you have a community and a culture that has your back and that will show up for you. And that's the thing, right, It's like we will ride a dawn for designers, you know, in the beginning. But like the young lady said, it's like as soon as that, there's no grace for it. And but we've always been held to higher standards where we don't we have to work harder as black people. We don't not afford the same opportunities they The discrimination is and I'm speaking about the discrimination from the access perspective in terms of supply chain, so in terms of factors that you would need, it's a fund to get get the product made, you know, being able to get that factor to to you know, to give you that money so that you can produce the collections. It's always a challenge for black designers. Sometimes they have to take off seasons, sometimes they go away, they just lose steam.

00:58:31
Speaker 2: They just can't.

00:58:32
Speaker 3: It's just so heartbreaking. They sacrifice so much when others and it's all it's all financing. It's all about money, So if something's late, it's because they couldn't have you know, it's it's access and financing, and it's so frustrating. So it's like, but all of these companies that really want to support merging designers, that's kind of like the thing that needs to take priority is making sure that they have sustainable partners in manufacturing and production that back.

00:59:00
Speaker 2: End up the business is so key, you know.

00:59:03
Speaker 3: And for me, like why I've done partnerships more so than put out my own product, it's because that financial exposure is heavy and I wasn't willing to take that risk for that very reason.

00:59:18
Speaker 2: I still have my June and Brose glasses. I still have them in my closet and I still wear them all the time. They're still selling too.

00:59:29
Speaker 1: Maybe like I don't like a month ago, I will bust out there. I have a brown pair the Square ones.

00:59:34
Speaker 2: And I saw Joe. I saw Joe and those glasses a fire.

00:59:37
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it Classic.

00:59:39
Speaker 2: Joe because Joe said it bestes today's price. It's not today's express. Still he's an icon, He's for sure.

00:59:47
Speaker 3: Wow.

00:59:48
Speaker 2: That was a great question, by the way, it was a really great question. I think I did.

00:59:51
Speaker 1: I answered I think, so you know what I would like to know, Like I love the story you tell about going to on the run and how J and B are the perfect people for you to be around in that time. Because this is in real life, and we hear the stories of how you dressed Missy in that iconic video or Buster in that iconic video. I wonder if you could share some of like your real life connection or real life moments that come to you from some of these people, Like I don't know, we can pick, we can pick.

01:00:22
Speaker 4: You're gonna say it out.

01:00:23
Speaker 2: I was gonna tell you artists that you've worked with, and it's like a real life experience. There's always real life experiences because say, let's say what you have Mariah carry? Oh yeah, yeah, So.

01:00:38
Speaker 3: Mariah hates like wearing bags, so she doesn't carry a bag, doesn't you. So I came, I came in on the emancipation of Mimi, and you know she also hates drying on clothes, so I literally heart I literally the way I would get her to wear something is to put it on and walk into the room.

01:01:00
Speaker 2: She'd be like take it off, that's.

01:01:04
Speaker 3: Good, you know, or like and like like the kaftan, like the Tory birdch calf Tan. What people thought was address was a klftan. We made it into a dress like I understood her.

01:01:14
Speaker 8: Right.

01:01:14
Speaker 2: So it's like, because.

01:01:15
Speaker 1: That's what it would take, it would take you because some people could be taken back by that or you know, I would be like, yeah, I'd be like because no, because having female experiences is so different from your experience with a male client.

01:01:29
Speaker 2: Some girls can handle me, and some girls can just be like I just.

01:01:33
Speaker 3: Go away, right, just like go away. So you know, but you know, like true like girls that are like super like confident and just I just think I'm the funniest thing. They get it, you know, they don't. They're not bothered by me. I can name a number of those, those those women. But another like thing with Mariah, we would always, like you, I would always role play with her. We would literally just do movie quotes all day, Mommy Daris or clueless, like literally that's how we would speak to each other. It was not even like a real conversation.

01:02:08
Speaker 2: Moving quotes. That's pretty good. So that's a great one, all right, bust a rhyme? Oh my god, so many too many?

01:02:16
Speaker 4: Oh?

01:02:17
Speaker 3: First, okay, first of all, like kudos to Like you think about you looking at Harry Styles.

01:02:23
Speaker 2: Now and you're like, oh, this cross dressing is so like he does it so, but Buster was I had put Buster in.

01:02:28
Speaker 3: He was wearing halters and shipped back then and the most feminine cuts ever. You know, he's so masculine wrapping its head up in turbans and yeah, and and you know, and covering timberland boots. I was custom designing timberlands, like literally covering them with like fabulous expensive fabrics, Indian fabrics and stuff like that made him the royal Sultan of hip hop.

01:02:49
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

01:02:50
Speaker 3: Like he was always like he was the vest like he's he's still the vests like he's just he was down for it. He was down for for it, like every set that we ever did, the bust around Jenna Jackson music video, like you know, he was down for us putting multiple pieces on it, sitting in prosthetics.

01:03:10
Speaker 2: I made him a muscle suit before.

01:03:11
Speaker 3: I mean, like I can name the amount of outrageousness that I've done with Bussa that he literally.

01:03:19
Speaker 2: Still to this day. I mean, no regrets. I love that, no regrets.

01:03:23
Speaker 3: I don't think that he feels like he can have he has the license to be is we're like a wholter.

01:03:29
Speaker 1: Now.

01:03:29
Speaker 2: I don't think his body's changed, but no, I don't know. I don't whatever.

01:03:36
Speaker 3: We're friends and we say in time, she's great, and I consulted me, calls me, need something like what do you think about this?

01:03:42
Speaker 2: I'm like perfect, Yeah, I'm like yeah, I want to speed down Missy Elliott. Yeah, it's my sister in my heart.

01:03:51
Speaker 3: Yeah she I mean, we just set that tour together, so, you know, Missy. People don't realize Missy's never been on tour in her career.

01:04:02
Speaker 2: Her headlined her own tour. Oh that's right.

01:04:04
Speaker 4: This was the first.

01:04:04
Speaker 2: That's crazy. This was the first of this world was this first. And she came to me and I, you know, I don't take that.

01:04:15
Speaker 3: Lightly because she could have very well collaborated with a big fashion house, but she entrusted that in me, you know, in me, and and.

01:04:25
Speaker 2: That to me was such.

01:04:29
Speaker 3: A testament of her character, her understanding and respect for the collaboration early for the Yeah, it's just like, I you know, it just makes me emotional that after all these years and there's so many distractions and people that she could, like I said, have worked with that. She allowed the universe to.

01:04:52
Speaker 2: To work with her on that. Thank you. We had a good time on that tour. We had some fun.

01:04:57
Speaker 4: My girl, Mary J Blige, oh.

01:05:00
Speaker 2: Thinks I'm batchit craization. Every time very see me, she goes girl.

01:05:09
Speaker 3: Well she gets to me though she'd been like you you know you like you know Mary like like like I said, I think the best interview I've seen on Mary and Forever was the one where she sat and talked to you. Because for Mary, energy and authenticity and real talk and real like is paramount. And she could smell when you being a fake bitch and I love her for that. You know, she'll come in and she'll she'll read the room quick. Mary come in with attitude, she said, hate you like you know, because she knows, you know what I mean, Like I'm only gonna show up as who I am. And I love and respect her so much. And every time I've worked with Mary, we have giggled and had a good time. She thinks, so she thinks she thinks I'm nuts. But you know what, it's interesting when you say, sometimes when you're in a service business and you've kind of you know you said I managed to kind of be able to live in those two worlds, right, Like artists like Mary respect and sees and recognizes that to where she like come in my video, Like we could be girlfriends and I'm like in the music video with her, starring in the video with them, whereas like another artist, you're like, you're the help. You're not going to be in my music video as a girlfriend. We're walking down the hallway together, Like she has that like reels and daya kind of relationship with her, you know, with her stylist.

01:06:34
Speaker 2: Kind of energy.

01:06:35
Speaker 3: And I thought that was like they said a lot about like who she was and her confidence as a woman.

01:06:42
Speaker 4: I love that she's the best, right, the best?

01:06:45
Speaker 1: You did, Like I know you worked with Puff for many years.

01:06:48
Speaker 4: Yeah bad boy.

01:06:48
Speaker 2: Yeah what about the guys, Like yeah, what about them?

01:06:52
Speaker 4: Completely?

01:06:53
Speaker 3: Like you know that the dynamic between like male artist is like that safe place that trusted, you know, places like getting a prostate exam.

01:07:05
Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's a good scenario and it's like no, but it's like you know, it's intimidating again to work with. Like I'm a very.

01:07:16
Speaker 3: I'm a very strong communicator when it comes to like with men, I present differently from the girls you do. Yeah, yeah, it's a different character, but it's always a place of.

01:07:30
Speaker 2: You don't have to pretend with me, you know, we could just and also so it's important that with men that you really they have to be in the driver's seat in a way.

01:07:42
Speaker 3: It's such a vulnerable place, you know. It's like, you know, it's just a different dynamic.

01:07:46
Speaker 5: H different would imagine right, oh yeah, but he's greatly and he's like you know, like he is the epitome of effortless, like the sweat, Like we're at the point it's like thirty years later.

01:07:58
Speaker 2: It's not even he styles himself.

01:08:01
Speaker 4: He does.

01:08:02
Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's like we just hang out, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, he just he's an icon. Yeah yeah, the work, the work is, he's an icon like he it doesn't matter. We could be a t could be a T shirt.

01:08:15
Speaker 2: We have fun. It's like not it's not work.

01:08:17
Speaker 4: It's not pressure.

01:08:20
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's like if I want it, Like what is he like or not? Like like, oh, he's have to grow into that too.

01:08:25
Speaker 2: I would imagine he wasn't like I still challenge and push him a certain things you do. Yeah, it's important because you know we're evolving. Yeah, you know, we have to try to. Have you ever pissed him off?

01:08:35
Speaker 1: Have you ever made him wear something and then he did.

01:08:37
Speaker 4: Not appreciate it after?

01:08:39
Speaker 2: It was like that didn't work? And does that have happened?

01:08:43
Speaker 3: Maybe on my end, I might have noticed it it was, But no, I don't think. Yeah, just off now, we don't even go there if it doesn't.

01:08:51
Speaker 2: Feel good, He's just onto the next. Yeah, it's not worth it.

01:08:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like he's he's too seasoned. Yeah, you know, it's like it's different than working with a new artist.

01:09:03
Speaker 1: Versus like, you know, is he the only one that you've been with from the beginning and he's my.

01:09:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like I think he's my only only guy. I don't.

01:09:12
Speaker 3: I'm like retired in a sense, like I focus more on a design creative direction. Not to say that I wouldn't do like I love I still love music video. I still love creative like projects like you know, like campaigns and all that kind of stuff.

01:09:26
Speaker 2: I love that stuff.

01:09:27
Speaker 4: But you keep him as a client still.

01:09:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's yeah forever, I don't where we're gonna go like it's like.

01:09:36
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, nothing's forever, but it's forever in my head.

01:09:40
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, And why June, have you.

01:09:43
Speaker 4: Not been invited to?

01:09:44
Speaker 3: No?

01:09:44
Speaker 2: We had conversation on the cut and everyone got very not the cut. Why you gotta set on complex? Why are they like you so like you were complaining? He was like, it's embarrassing because he was like, I don't really care. Here's the question, the truth, right question.

01:10:01
Speaker 1: Do you think it should be invited to the Red Galleries?

01:10:03
Speaker 2: Or am I spending what.

01:10:10
Speaker 3: My mother always said, invited guests get cheated the best I've been, I've been.

01:10:16
Speaker 2: I've been. I don't know if I was invited though, but you've been I've been years and years and years ago. Do I care?

01:10:25
Speaker 4: Do you care that you?

01:10:27
Speaker 2: Oh no, because it's a fundraiser? No, I don't. Actually you're thinking about your husband's voice and no, I know.

01:10:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I'm I think, I'm so, I'm thinking, I am so pass it. I recognize what it is. They raised a lot of money.

01:10:47
Speaker 1: For the you to how many people have you gotten ready for the met gala?

01:10:50
Speaker 4: Oh?

01:10:50
Speaker 2: Not a lot? Really my thing?

01:10:52
Speaker 4: Yeah?

01:10:52
Speaker 2: Not a lot?

01:10:54
Speaker 4: No, No, have you done.

01:10:55
Speaker 3: It, I mean I did, oh yeah, but we don't if you bring that up there we have talking about the last time he was seeing was that that was the look the dark Vader that was I did Puff for.

01:11:06
Speaker 4: The Yes and the all black Oh.

01:11:09
Speaker 2: Yeah design that look?

01:11:10
Speaker 4: Does that make you feel looking back at that look?

01:11:13
Speaker 2: It was appropriate? H yeah, it was It was appropriate?

01:11:19
Speaker 4: Wow?

01:11:19
Speaker 3: Didn't you think about it? Those black roses and the darkness?

01:11:25
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah? And that was the picture that ran everywhere. There's so much heartbreak they had, heartbreaking that I know, disappointment and disappointment.

01:11:37
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to not talk about the great things that I worked on and did.

01:11:42
Speaker 4: Yes, it's really annoying.

01:11:44
Speaker 3: That is annoying because there's so many iconic moments and you've ruined it for everyone that.

01:11:49
Speaker 1: Was involved when something happens like that. Even listening with Puff, it's like the artists that you know, I had one twelve and a total. They were on tour and came on the show and I couldn't talk to them about it. They spoke about it very lightly and carefully because it's not their burden to carry. It's not your burden.

01:12:09
Speaker 2: That's very but part of your history you've do is it's like, so what you're supposed to act like you didn't do great things with that? And when the Cosmic Show gets canceled, so we don't get this. We love the College Show because that guy the one guy.

01:12:23
Speaker 3: I mean, if people really go back and look at my resume and my discography, I I've done some. Yeah, there's a lot of things that I don't talk about, big music videos, groundbreaking and because the muse is you know, has been exiled into life and prison and stuff.

01:12:40
Speaker 2: It's just how do you feel about it?

01:12:42
Speaker 4: Make you said or it makes me?

01:12:44
Speaker 3: It's culturally, it's it's doesn't do it.

01:12:49
Speaker 2: It does not good for the culture.

01:12:51
Speaker 3: It's not good for How does it serve any of us to not and to to to celebrate what, you know, the downfall of it, to to not all just be disappointed and discussed it.

01:13:04
Speaker 2: It's like, how do we not how are we not sad behind that?

01:13:11
Speaker 3: Like you're outraged by like the acts, right, but like we know we've seen this chaos before, but to be so close to it is really heartbreaking because some of it you didn't see that side you know you didn't And it's like the fact that you were held to different regards. Then you start to feel like.

01:13:34
Speaker 4: Because you never felt.

01:13:38
Speaker 3: Right, there probably been a hospitalization. I mean no, I mean it's just you know, Angie, we've grown up around the guys. I mean, but we were held different, we were held we dealt with differently. And it's I don't know what it is about us, but because I'm not we're doing that.

01:13:56
Speaker 2: We're not. That's not And it's like you raise your voice. I like, my mom didn't yell at me. I didn't grow up in that kind of home. So and I know that hurt people, hurt people. So my the way I dealt with people that were acting out, it was in a a in a in a very because like you said, you recognize I'm empathic in that way, and I'm able to really shift energy and make people feel safe that they don't have to perform when they're within our pri in our sacred space. You don't have to perform for me. This is just this is just us. And I see you, I see how I see you. I see how we managed personalities. We manage all types of characters.

01:14:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, but they're constant. Like I said, early in my life, I knew there were consequences to actions, and and to every action there's a consequence good or bad.

01:14:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, affect you though, to your history and all.

01:15:02
Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah, so it's like.

01:15:03
Speaker 1: That part that that parts of drag.

01:15:05
Speaker 3: But you know the mat Gala is going to be really exciting this year because Beyonce is Yeah, so how does that shift? I mean, doesn't expect me, I don't stop, I know, but like just her being part of that, I don't.

01:15:16
Speaker 2: Know, it's exciting.

01:15:18
Speaker 3: I mean, she hasn't been in a while, so she always brings excitement. She's like it's like, you know, when Rihanna started going to the met we were like, we will wait to see what.

01:15:25
Speaker 2: You know, Rihanna would come with it the end, like the.

01:15:27
Speaker 1: Carpet be closed and Rihanno'll show up me too.

01:15:29
Speaker 2: Yeah that's long. That's what I'm saying. So you know she's.

01:15:34
Speaker 1: We're but her cheering it does that mean anything?

01:15:37
Speaker 4: Is that?

01:15:37
Speaker 2: I don't really know what that means.

01:15:38
Speaker 3: I know that recently they just I don't know what that means, what that responsibility might mean.

01:15:44
Speaker 4: But maybe you'll get an invite this year.

01:15:46
Speaker 2: Anna's still controls. Oh yes, okay.

01:15:48
Speaker 4: Let us not.

01:15:52
Speaker 2: Now Anna, come on now, Anna, it's my daughter's name is Summer, so we love the summer.

01:16:02
Speaker 4: Right there.

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01:16:41
Speaker 1: All right, so this is our iron ball of questions of real life questions.

01:16:45
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so intimidating.

01:16:48
Speaker 1: No, I pick, yeah, you pick whatever you like.

01:16:54
Speaker 2: If you could instantly master any skill, what would it be? Ooh, it's in your hat. Hey, the thing is in your hat. The paper is in your hat when your hat's too big. If you can instant master any skill, what would it be? Yeah that no no, no, no, yeah.

01:17:19
Speaker 1: No.

01:17:21
Speaker 2: Any skill.

01:17:24
Speaker 3: Uh, sketching. I'm not a good sketcher. I sketch very loose. It's kindergarten but like real.

01:17:33
Speaker 1: So getting the idea out of your brain onto the paper it's sometimes hard.

01:17:37
Speaker 3: I would imagine if I thank God for technology because I can now sketch through you.

01:17:42
Speaker 2: Know, to digital sketching. But yeah, okay, go for another one, give me three, Let's do three instantly?

01:17:52
Speaker 3: Oh oh, a prayer or affirmation you say often, oh God, it's almost a serenity prayer, you know. I always ask for God to give me grace, you know, for the things that I cannot dude, I mean, I'm sober drunk, so I don't even understand how.

01:18:09
Speaker 2: To say it.

01:18:10
Speaker 3: But yeah, I always literally constantly say, you know what I don't get done today, I put off to tomorrow and give myself grace constantly.

01:18:16
Speaker 2: It's okay. I always affirm that it's okay, I'm enough, and it's okay, Yeah this didn't work out.

01:18:24
Speaker 4: That's how you hold on to that joy.

01:18:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like it's okay. I'm like I take another one.

01:18:29
Speaker 1: Oh, and then I have a couple of year and then we're.

01:18:34
Speaker 2: Oh, you've got more. What have you always wanted to do but have it?

01:18:39
Speaker 4: Oh?

01:18:40
Speaker 2: Oh this is loaded.

01:18:41
Speaker 3: There's so many things because I'm like, I feel like, oh my god, I want to go to I want to go to India.

01:18:48
Speaker 2: I want to eat, love and pray. Oh my god, your outfits in India are going to be fire.

01:18:54
Speaker 3: India's on my buck list and I've traveled the world. India is I know you probably like why India?

01:18:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, India. No, I would totally love to go to India also. Yeah, oh and I want to see the northern lights.

01:19:05
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good too.

01:19:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Junie June, I am no longer available for.

01:19:17
Speaker 4: Come on, you got it.

01:19:18
Speaker 2: I am no longer available for or brain picks.

01:19:24
Speaker 3: It's like with like it's like, I want to pick your brain. Okay, but how does that serve me? If you're just picking and not giving anything?

01:19:33
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, It's like, what are you giving me?

01:19:36
Speaker 4: Yeah?

01:19:37
Speaker 2: Click on something, you just pick, pick pick, I've given, I'm giving. I'm always give.

01:19:42
Speaker 1: We are giving for sure. And it takes a lot to have a brain worth picking. It takes a lot of effort and work you have to put into yourself to have a brain worth picking. So it's like, if I'm putting so much effort into doing this, what effort are.

01:19:55
Speaker 2: You brain by picking it? I know it sounds like probably is that rude when you say, like, how does.

01:20:03
Speaker 4: It serve me?

01:20:04
Speaker 3: I mean no, it's not it should I mean it doesn't mean that I don't give. I'm just saying like, you can't just keep picking my brain.

01:20:11
Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's important to give when you have something to give.

01:20:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm no longer available for people who don't see what I see in myself.

01:20:22
Speaker 4: And I only want to be value you.

01:20:25
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah I heard you.

01:20:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that deep in my soul when I walk into a room. I want people to feel.

01:20:36
Speaker 3: Like they want to dance, don't want no, I want them to feel yeah, I want them to feel joy. I want them to feel like it's gonna be okay. Yeah, like whatever is going on in their world, Like I can just escape with this moment with June.

01:20:51
Speaker 4: What do you like most about yourself?

01:20:53
Speaker 3: June, No, I think my ability to see the best in people before I see the worst. I will always see the goodness first. I don't look for what could be wrong with you. I look for what is right about you. From inception, that's I think my one of my best attributes. And people always say, oh, you'll always see the good people, and yeah, people like that get taken advantage of. But I don't think it's being taken advantage of. I think it's you know, my mother always gave people grace when they wronged her, when they did things that made her cry. She was always really able to forgive and give them grace and always found a reason why they did what they did.

01:21:44
Speaker 2: And that is who I am.

01:21:47
Speaker 4: That's why I do. That's why I understand that completely.

01:21:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like I do understand that that personality does get taken advantage for sure. Yeah, so how do you protect yourself from that?

01:22:00
Speaker 3: You know, there is a grace of God. You know, there is some a higher power, thank God that I most things. I don't feel like I have to carry a lot of what this world has put on our backs to carry.

01:22:13
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just.

01:22:15
Speaker 4: Give it to God. Give it to God.

01:22:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of God, it's my favorite question in the bowl, and we will end with that one. If God would have text you right now, what would it say I've prepared you.

01:22:32
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, I have prepared you for everything that's coming your way and be still.

01:22:44
Speaker 2: In real life?

01:22:50
Speaker 1: How aboud that make you so emotional?

01:22:53
Speaker 4: Do so good?

01:22:55
Speaker 2: No, that's so good that question does it? I don't know what it is about that because it's like the realest thing ever. Yeah, because it's like what times you do.

01:23:08
Speaker 10: Sometimes you don't think you're being seen, but everyone's bag attention. And when I called you and I said, I need to come, so thank you.

01:23:21
Speaker 2: Thank you for Justina, thank you for coming Junia and Brose. In real life everything you can't leave.

01:23:28
Speaker 1: Joy, we got to leave and joy.

01:23:30
Speaker 2: Give me some joy. What is this this joy?

01:23:33
Speaker 4: Yes, it is?

01:23:34
Speaker 2: This is I'm so happy? Yeah, so this is joy?

01:23:39
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:23:39
Speaker 2: And I joy is when you feel safe, when you feel seen seen. That is joy. And people are like, oh, you know.

01:23:48
Speaker 3: I was like, I want to be seen, and people like some people don't want to be seen. I want to be seen. It's like if I'm not seen, well what am I doing? Like at the end of our lives? Am I not supposed to have existed? Like I think that's what I think about the most, like my mom being gone. I constantly say her name, because her legacy is the fact that she was here, that she created me, that she gave me this life. And if I don't continue to celebrate that, then it was as if she didn't Like.

01:24:18
Speaker 2: She wasn't here.

01:24:19
Speaker 4: So you're being seen for her.

01:24:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, people move on and we leave this earth. We move on, we leave, We have to all leave. And when what is your legacy? I mean, my kids like the way I changed culture, the way I made people think, the way I made people feel, that's my legacy.

01:24:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:24:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably why you're so emotional, because that's why I'm so emotional, because you carry the weight of honoring your mother.

01:24:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, by being seen.

01:24:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little girl growing up in an immigrant I came here, I came to this country and I wasn't born in this country. I'm an immigrant. So when I see immigrants the way they're being tortured now, when I see I know the sacrifices that immigrants have, you know, leaving their country to come to this country for a better life, and this is not a better life. And like, wait, hold on where I came from. As an always, every time something immigrant comes here, it's not because of the running from something, they're running towards something, and when that is being misinterpreted, that part I take real personal and that part hurts because I know what it's like to come to this country as an immigrant and to have gotten my citizenship and to you know, I pay my part.

01:25:47
Speaker 2: I do my part.

01:25:48
Speaker 4: Shifted culture. I shifted culture.

01:25:51
Speaker 2: We've built empires, billionaires, million billionaires and millionaires, and we shared. We share that.

01:25:58
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

01:26:00
Speaker 3: Sickness of success is super important to me. So if I'm successful, anyone that's in the universe should be successful too.

01:26:07
Speaker 1: And you are your mother's legacy. I am my mother's legacy.

01:26:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I owe it. Tour you.

01:26:16
Speaker 2: Me. This is June Ambros in real life.

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