Xbox Building and Using AI to Generate Video Game Assets and Actions

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<v Speaker 2>to help people make video games, and nobody seems happy
<v Speaker 2>about it. But first please join me and welcoming today's
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<v Speaker 2>Let's start the day off here with Xbox is built
<v Speaker 2>in AI model that can generate quote, video game visuals,
<v Speaker 2>and actions. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC. Microsoft
<v Speaker 2>has debuted a generative AI model that it says can
<v Speaker 2>generate game visuals, controller act or both. The generative AI model,
<v Speaker 2>which Microsoft is named MUSE, was developed by Microsoft's Game
<v Speaker 2>Intelligence team and collaboration with Ninja Theory. It will be
<v Speaker 2>made open source to help other researchers explore these models
<v Speaker 2>and build on their work, Microsoft said. On Wednesday, Microsoft
<v Speaker 2>published several videos showing what gameplay sequences generated by MUSE
<v Speaker 2>could look like. The company said that these examples were
<v Speaker 2>generated prompting the model with ten initial frames excuse me,
<v Speaker 2>one second of human gameplay and the controller actions of
<v Speaker 2>the whole play sequence. So basically a human like fed
<v Speaker 2>some stuff into the into the system saying this is
<v Speaker 2>kind of what I'm going for, and then the game
<v Speaker 2>completed the rest.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a weird thing.
<v Speaker 2>In our research, we focus on exploring the capabilities that
<v Speaker 2>models like Muse need to effectively support human creatives. Reads
<v Speaker 2>a post on the Microsoft website from Katscha Hoffman, the
<v Speaker 2>Senior Principal Research Manager and lead of the Microsoft Research
<v Speaker 2>Game Intelligence Team. I'm incredibly proud of our teams and
<v Speaker 2>the milestone we have achieved.
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 2>No only showing the rich structure of the game, a
<v Speaker 2>world that a model like Muse can learn, as you
<v Speaker 2>see in the video demo, but also and even more importantly,
<v Speaker 2>by demonstrating how to develop research insights to support creative
<v Speaker 2>uses of generative AI models. Another side of this jand
<v Speaker 2>is you know, and really what.
<v Speaker 1>They're what they're trying to say here is this This
<v Speaker 1>stuff is for ideation. This is for people.
<v Speaker 2>Who have ideas and want to test those ideas out
<v Speaker 2>and get feedback.
<v Speaker 1>On those ideas. This system is built to help with that.
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, I suppose I believe that as much
<v Speaker 2>as like, you know, talking to the mirror about your
<v Speaker 2>ideas and like hearing them set out loud can like
<v Speaker 2>benefit you. I just don't know if I trust anything
<v Speaker 2>from the AI to be able to accomplish anything creative,
<v Speaker 2>like something that I will find super appealing. That doesn't
<v Speaker 2>mean that this is not a tool that someone could
<v Speaker 2>find useful. You know, the content aware fill tool was useful.
<v Speaker 2>Is this like that? Is that what we're talking about here?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, But when you just say ideation, Jan, I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 2>ideas seem to be the least of our problems in
<v Speaker 2>video gaming. We have so many ideas and everything else
<v Speaker 2>is the issue?
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, here's an idea. Microsoft, Why don't you muse this,
<v Speaker 3>Muse all the money that you fucking made and stop
<v Speaker 3>firing all of your employees in lieu of using fucking AI.
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, Phil, what the fuck?
<v Speaker 1>I mean?
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the reality here, is that they say this
<v Speaker 2>is for ideation, this is for supporting human creatives.
<v Speaker 3>Well you know what about all the human creatives that
<v Speaker 3>they had grub they've laid off, maybe even just this year, right.
<v Speaker 2>And then what like what happens when you decide the
<v Speaker 2>tool is like well, now it's good enough now, and
<v Speaker 2>now it's good to do a lot of these jobs
<v Speaker 2>we were having them support with and they've learned because
<v Speaker 2>this model is a learning machine, so it is it
<v Speaker 2>has improved itself by working with these human creatives, and
<v Speaker 2>now they could do that role as well. Do I
<v Speaker 2>really believe that you're gonna be dedicated to this hey,
<v Speaker 2>supporting human creative bullshit that you're spewing. No way, no
<v Speaker 2>way that's gonna last. So yeah, like I think we're
<v Speaker 2>kind of over them just lying to our faces at
<v Speaker 2>a certain point, right.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, grub was it Sony that was trying to implement
<v Speaker 3>AI into like the player perspective to kind of predict
<v Speaker 3>which buttons? Yes, they were going to press negative legency
<v Speaker 3>from Sony. Maybe Microsoft and Sony should finally just get
<v Speaker 3>in bed with each other and just have their AI
<v Speaker 3>machines make and play the games, and then we'll just
<v Speaker 3>get out of it. We'll just get out of that
<v Speaker 3>that weird toxic relationship and just go over maybe to
<v Speaker 3>Nintendo that hasn't learned about AI yet.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, And it's going to be another decade or
<v Speaker 2>so before they figure it out as well.
<v Speaker 3>It's I hated grub, I agree with you that AI
<v Speaker 3>tools can be beneficial when there are actual people using them,
<v Speaker 3>not when the those AI tools are being trained by
<v Speaker 3>the people or learning from the people using the only
<v Speaker 3>to eventually replace them down the line, because it is
<v Speaker 3>cheaper to have AI in place of shoot physical people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's And for as much as they're promising that
<v Speaker 2>this will be just used in this one phase of development,
<v Speaker 2>we know what they really want from this. They want
<v Speaker 2>to I mean, it's it's the way the whole system
<v Speaker 2>set up. You know that they want to make the
<v Speaker 2>most money while spending the least amount of money. And
<v Speaker 2>if this can eventually lead to them spending less money,
<v Speaker 2>that is the road they will continue to go down.
<v Speaker 2>So while it is limited now in what it's capable of,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the thing that people always say about AI
<v Speaker 2>is right, it's it's the worst it's ever going to
<v Speaker 2>be today. Tomorrow it'll be better at all these things
<v Speaker 2>that it does. And and in the meantime, it's like,
<v Speaker 2>you know, is it ever going to be good enough
<v Speaker 2>to replace people in every single one of these jobs?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think in the opinion of the people
<v Speaker 2>pulling the purse strings, yes, it will be yes, and
<v Speaker 2>so like, Yeah, I'm continue to be most worried about that. Microsoft,
<v Speaker 2>you know, had another thing here that they said about
<v Speaker 2>this AI could be used to revive classic Xbox games
<v Speaker 2>from this is Randy Robinson at VGC. Xbox is looking
<v Speaker 2>to utilize it's just announced generative AI model for the
<v Speaker 2>preservation of classic video games, it's said. On Wednesday, Microsoft's
<v Speaker 2>Gaming division announced MEWS, a generative AI model that it
<v Speaker 2>says can generate game visuals, controller actions, or both. The
<v Speaker 2>company's main demonstration of MEWS showed how it should it
<v Speaker 2>could generate video game visuals using training data from Ninja
<v Speaker 2>Theories twenty twenty game Bleeding Edge. However, it also discussed
<v Speaker 2>how MEWS could help preserve classic games in the future. Today,
<v Speaker 2>countless classic games tied to aging hardware are no longer
<v Speaker 2>playable by most people, said Gaming AI Corporate VP Ptama
<v Speaker 2>Kadar Our Kardar. Thanks to the thanks to this.
<v Speaker 3>Breakthrough, you can get their name wrong, grub card far.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're you're right, Yes, yeah, fucking thanks this breakthrough.
<v Speaker 2>We are exploring the potential of for MEWS to take
<v Speaker 2>back to take older back cattleg games from our studios
<v Speaker 2>and optimize them for any device. We believe this could
<v Speaker 2>radically change how we preserve and experience classic games in
<v Speaker 2>the future and make them accessible to more players. To
<v Speaker 2>imagine that beloved games lost to time and hardware advancement
<v Speaker 2>could one day be played on any screen with Xbox
<v Speaker 2>is an exciting possibility for us. Yeah, I mean maybe probably,
<v Speaker 2>this probably will happen. I always worry that it's like
<v Speaker 2>the AI models they use to upscale movies from like
<v Speaker 2>the eighties or whatever. James Cameron's Blu Rays four K
<v Speaker 2>Blu Rays, right, they all kind of look a little
<v Speaker 2>bit off because they used a lot of AI upscaling
<v Speaker 2>on that stuff, And I don't know if this will
<v Speaker 2>be equivalent to that. But my head, that's where I
<v Speaker 2>go to first, where it's like, you don't have you
<v Speaker 2>don't have the people involved that know what it should
<v Speaker 2>look like, And a lot of times they don't have
<v Speaker 2>that now anyhow they have. They just kind of like,
<v Speaker 2>we'll hire a team out there to kind of do
<v Speaker 2>this on the cheap. So it's like, this isn't a
<v Speaker 2>problem now, But I think it could be a lot
<v Speaker 2>worse if everything just gets thrown into a machine that
<v Speaker 2>kind of upscales and improves and and fixes compatibility in
<v Speaker 2>a similar way across the board. It could be like
<v Speaker 2>a really cheap imitation of what preservation should look like
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent.
<v Speaker 3>It's also such a slap in the face grub of
<v Speaker 3>not only people on the developer side, but the player
<v Speaker 3>side that have been clamoring for re releases or remasters
<v Speaker 3>remakes of older games to just kind of throw make
<v Speaker 3>the solution a fixed all thing like AI, and what
<v Speaker 3>we will probably get on the other end end is
<v Speaker 3>just like like a weird home oculi of an old game.
<v Speaker 3>Like I talk a lot about Blinks the Time Sweeper,
<v Speaker 3>but I only have a fondness for that from playing
<v Speaker 3>it at a Toys r us Kiosk. Yeah, but I
<v Speaker 3>remember having a lot of fun with that. But that
<v Speaker 3>is a game with a very distinct art style, a
<v Speaker 3>very specific feel when you play. I don't think AI
<v Speaker 3>can necessarily feel how games should be played. And unfortunately,
<v Speaker 3>on top of AI coming for the jobs of developers
<v Speaker 3>out there, I also feel like Q people, the poor
<v Speaker 3>people that work at QA that are already and have
<v Speaker 3>been historically mistreated, are going to continue to be mistreated
<v Speaker 3>and may be replaced because companies will say, well, AI
<v Speaker 3>found all these problems, And the thing is, I don't
<v Speaker 3>trust them to find the problems. They may be identifying
<v Speaker 3>stuff that isn't a problem, like grub. What if they
<v Speaker 3>get rid of double jumps because they think people can
<v Speaker 3>only jump once?
<v Speaker 2>That's right, That's that's the real and I would could
<v Speaker 2>gaming they got rid of the double jump. It's the
<v Speaker 2>only thing that makes me happy jan so.
<v Speaker 3>But one hundred. But also just like it leaves a
<v Speaker 3>very weird taste in my mouth, and I can't imagine
<v Speaker 3>the regular Xbox console user wants this either. Well that's
<v Speaker 3>some of that super plugged in right right, Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>That like, well, who is all this information for? I mean,
<v Speaker 2>we know who it's for. It's it's for investors as always.
<v Speaker 2>That's not how they presented it. They presented this as
<v Speaker 2>like the next big exciting thing that they should be
<v Speaker 2>talking to consumers about. It is a weird, weird way
<v Speaker 2>to kind of push this out front and center when
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, not every tool that a company builds.
<v Speaker 2>I guess what they're what they're really doing here is
<v Speaker 2>they put it in the in the journal Nature. So
<v Speaker 2>they they submitted a research paper about this stuff to
<v Speaker 2>the journal Nature and and and they want they're making
<v Speaker 2>an open source and they want other people to find
<v Speaker 2>out about it so they can help.
<v Speaker 1>Improve it or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>I suppose that's probably what this is all really about,
<v Speaker 2>like why they presented it this way. But it's, uh,
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of odd that they kind of keep putting
<v Speaker 2>these things out for like, Hey, consumers, aren't you excited
<v Speaker 2>about this? And it's like, why is this the thing
<v Speaker 2>you always keep like, you guys really haven't told us
<v Speaker 2>about all the other tools you built.
<v Speaker 1>To make making games easier? Excuse me?
<v Speaker 2>For your developers and your creatives, Why is this the
<v Speaker 2>thing you keep coming back to? And it's because investors
<v Speaker 2>want to hear about it, and because they are at
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of an impass with this stuff.
<v Speaker 1>It's expensive to run these generative AI models.
<v Speaker 2>It requires a ton of energy, huge databases, things that
<v Speaker 2>they continue to have to build infrastructure for and invest in,
<v Speaker 2>and so they kind of have to like fake the
<v Speaker 2>hype for it a little bit so they can justify
<v Speaker 2>these costs as they try to get over the hump
<v Speaker 2>of Hey, here's where it's at right now. You could
<v Speaker 2>kind of give it some button presses and some ideas,
<v Speaker 2>and it can help riff with on those with you
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit, for a few more frames, a
<v Speaker 2>few more seconds, the next ten minutes or so, Like
<v Speaker 2>you know, the idea here clearly would be, we're gonna
<v Speaker 2>take this stuff and it's gonna eventually it's going to
<v Speaker 2>be able to make a whole game on.
<v Speaker 1>Its on its own, and and that at.
<v Speaker 2>That point we'll be able to like take the best
<v Speaker 2>of the best of the ideas and kind of glombad
<v Speaker 2>all together and make a final product. Of course, humans
<v Speaker 2>will still be involved, then, they will promise, but that
<v Speaker 2>we are so far away from that now and it's
<v Speaker 2>going to require another order of magnitude of investment that
<v Speaker 2>they kind of have to again keep faking the hype.
<v Speaker 1>For this in the meantime. It's annoying.
<v Speaker 3>It reminds me of the initial hype trailers or hype
<v Speaker 3>presentations behind Google Stadia, where they showed like, oh, you
<v Speaker 3>can map this art style to this level, like this
<v Speaker 3>is going to be a very collaborative tool, like maybe
<v Speaker 3>this gamer will look at this level through like this
<v Speaker 3>aesthetic or that aesthetic. It just reminds me a lot
<v Speaker 3>of that because it eventually wents going nowhere nowhere and
<v Speaker 3>act like any time I hear AI. I can't speak
<v Speaker 3>for everyone, but I just want to vomit because it
<v Speaker 3>feels like it is beyond. We quickly went past the
<v Speaker 3>phase of it is a buzzword to hey, we got AI.
<v Speaker 3>You want to come in, buddy, Like, no, stay far
<v Speaker 3>away from me. Yeah, it just becomes like a signifier
<v Speaker 3>like no, I'm not interested in whatever you're talking about
<v Speaker 3>at all. I was scrolling through the Internet grub and
<v Speaker 3>someone suggested.
<v Speaker 5>Hey, you should take your journals, your intimate journals and
<v Speaker 5>your intimate thoughts about yourself and put it to chat GBT,
<v Speaker 5>and chat GBT will summarize that and tell you what
<v Speaker 5>you should be doing to improve yourself.
<v Speaker 1>That I don't want.
<v Speaker 3>That's not terrible, that's a terrible idea.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like, I mean, I get the sort of, hey,
<v Speaker 2>let's help people who have who struggle with organization, so
<v Speaker 2>they'll be like, hey, here's a bunch of like random
<v Speaker 2>notes I wrote down. Can a tool put that stuff
<v Speaker 2>in a in a bullet pointed list? So I understood,
<v Speaker 2>like I can understand my own thoughts. I see that
<v Speaker 2>I can see that, or the uh sort of you know,
<v Speaker 2>was it Wilson with the IBM machine Watson? It was IBN.
<v Speaker 2>This is like fifteen years ago. IBM Watson was like
<v Speaker 2>better at diagnosing cancer than oncologist. And it's like that
<v Speaker 2>was all kind of like the birth of the law
<v Speaker 2>of the AI that we have now, And it's like, Okay,
<v Speaker 2>that sounds fantastic to me. You built a tool with
<v Speaker 2>a specific data set in mind to attack a simple
<v Speaker 2>thing that is, here's the data, here's the imagery, Here's
<v Speaker 2>what a person's symptoms are, here is their blood work.
<v Speaker 2>Take that information and tell me what's going on, and
<v Speaker 2>you could do this better than a human.
<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. I see all of that.
<v Speaker 2>Or even like having a conversation about a very well
<v Speaker 2>documented and an understood topic that you don't understand and
<v Speaker 2>being like, hey, is this right, and the AI going
<v Speaker 2>Look that's close to right. Here's where you're wrong. Here's
<v Speaker 2>some ideas, here's some other questions you should be asking.
<v Speaker 1>I see that.
<v Speaker 2>It's just this idea that we are going to replace
<v Speaker 2>the fun stuff that humans get to do to express
<v Speaker 2>themselves and to feed themselves before we understand what the
<v Speaker 2>next economic system is going to be because clearly we
<v Speaker 2>are coming to the end of capitalism. The idea that
<v Speaker 2>we are just going to like keep barrowing down this
<v Speaker 2>road and have this replace.
<v Speaker 1>Everything is absurd. It's it's in the bad idea.
<v Speaker 2>And then look the idea you brought up of have
<v Speaker 2>it tell you what you should be doing based on
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts, No thoughts, that's being human.
<v Speaker 1>You get to decide that on your own. Why would
<v Speaker 1>you give that up? Ever, it's crazy one.
<v Speaker 3>Hundred percent grub. And the other aspect of this that
<v Speaker 3>I fear is that, Okay, they're going to use this
<v Speaker 3>for ideation, and maybe they will implement this to remake
<v Speaker 3>a game. Perhaps it blinks the time Sweeper people are
<v Speaker 3>clamoring for it. I then feel bad for the devs
<v Speaker 3>that are going to have to go in and undo
<v Speaker 3>all the messed up stuff that AI has already implemented
<v Speaker 3>and like untangle all of the problems that it's created
<v Speaker 3>under the short timeline that the game has been given
<v Speaker 3>because oh, we save so much time by using AI.
<v Speaker 3>You devs can go fix it real quick because we
<v Speaker 3>got to ship this in three months. And the part
<v Speaker 3>that feels especially icky and gross is that those devs
<v Speaker 3>working on that AI remake are probably super low on
<v Speaker 3>the ladder in terms of pay and benefits. They're probably
<v Speaker 3>like being abused, could be abused in the future, and
<v Speaker 3>like nose to the grindstone because there are a limited
<v Speaker 3>amount of human employees now.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's uh, it's frustrating, and uh, I think that
<v Speaker 2>we will probably get to a point where we have
<v Speaker 2>to uh sort of just always. But we're all gonna
<v Speaker 2>have to reckon with this in our lives one way
<v Speaker 2>or the other. And you know, I think people that
<v Speaker 2>are using AI tools to like write emails, I don't
<v Speaker 2>give a shit about that anymore. Whatever, Go go do
<v Speaker 2>your thing.
<v Speaker 1>I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I don't do that, but I barely write emails. But hey,
<v Speaker 2>if if like the fun stuff, why are we continuing
<v Speaker 2>to try to erode that, And like, like you said,
<v Speaker 2>the people that are gonna have to go in there
<v Speaker 2>and fix these problems when things do go wrong, it's
<v Speaker 2>going to get to a point where you know, no
<v Speaker 2>one really understands how to fix the problems. And uh,
<v Speaker 2>and and you know, we have that a little bit
<v Speaker 2>as like people move on from one programming language to another,
<v Speaker 2>and we're seeing that happen with cobol right now.
<v Speaker 1>And that's been a long time coming.
<v Speaker 2>But like people are like, all of the information about
<v Speaker 2>how to even fix this is not going to be
<v Speaker 2>held by human beings at all anymore. And uh, you know,
<v Speaker 2>right now, in a lot of cases, like how to
<v Speaker 2>like get into things, how things work, how the how
<v Speaker 2>the world works is held by a small group of people. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>and it's well, they're going to take that away even
<v Speaker 2>and even that small group of people are not going
<v Speaker 2>to have an understanding of it. And so it's going
<v Speaker 2>to be this you know, crystals and and and and.
<v Speaker 1>People throwing salt over their shoulder trying to get the
<v Speaker 1>machine to work, and we're just going to be sort
<v Speaker 1>of lost. Like that's obviously worst case scenario, but I
<v Speaker 1>do think that that is sort of the path we
<v Speaker 1>continue to trend down in every way with this kind
<v Speaker 1>of technology.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the people that ultimately make the decisions and in
<v Speaker 3>charge in are at the steering wheel, are instead of
<v Speaker 3>driving down the safe road, deciding to corene into the
<v Speaker 3>ravine that is AI. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our wolves in chat makes a very good point.
<v Speaker 2>Even AI porn is awful. If you can't figure out
<v Speaker 2>porn then your technology isn't worth shit.
<v Speaker 3>Actually, let's talk about this kind hppy, just okay, we
<v Speaker 3>don't need to dive into why I know this, But
<v Speaker 3>the adult industry has been a front runner in terms
<v Speaker 3>of Internet advancement and technology. The VHS tape was widely
<v Speaker 3>adopted because of the adult industry. Same thing with DVDs,
<v Speaker 3>especially streaming. Okay and grub. We wouldn't have Twitch, we
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have We wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't
<v Speaker 3>for the adult industry. And if the adult industry is
<v Speaker 3>quickly skewing away from AI because it even the adult industry,
<v Speaker 3>which is incredibly exploitative, understands that AI is bad, then
<v Speaker 3>that's saying something, Doug. If there are adult actresses and
<v Speaker 3>actors out there, they're saying like, no, don't do that,
<v Speaker 3>don't scan my body, don't reuse my body, and they're
<v Speaker 3>standing up for it more than Hollywood award winning actors.
<v Speaker 2>That says something, grub yep, they would know, they know, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>they would know exploitation when they see it. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm with them, I'm with the adult film stars everybody,
<v Speaker 2>and I'll always be that.
<v Speaker 3>That's right. Invite us to the av ends this year.
<v Speaker 2>We can get work to pay for that trip. I'm sure,
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's keep going here. X Bunge Okay, let's
<v Speaker 2>get the tone right on this one.
<v Speaker 1>Ex.
<v Speaker 2>Bungee director's creepy text of female employees released by Sony
<v Speaker 2>in ongoing lawsuit. This is from zax Wise in at Kotaku.
<v Speaker 2>Sony is firing back at court in the ongoing lawsuit
<v Speaker 2>between Bungie and former Marathon director Christopher Barrett. The Bungee
<v Speaker 2>veterans sued the studio in late twenty twenty four after
<v Speaker 2>he was fired over a legend misconduct. He called the
<v Speaker 2>investigation a sham in his lawsuit. Now Sony has responded
<v Speaker 2>and published some very creepy text messages that Barrett sent
<v Speaker 2>to female employees. He sued Sony after getting fired, saying
<v Speaker 2>they've only fired him because they did not want to
<v Speaker 2>pay him the forty five million dollars.
<v Speaker 1>That they owed him, so he sued them.
<v Speaker 2>And at the time there was always going around it's
<v Speaker 2>like that seems like a poor choice because they did
<v Speaker 2>sue you, or they did fire you.
<v Speaker 1>For misconduct, and they have evidence.
<v Speaker 2>Well, now we have a lot of that evidence, as
<v Speaker 2>reported by game File on February nineteenth. Sony's one hundred
<v Speaker 2>and twenty eight page court filing includes nine text messages
<v Speaker 2>Barrett allegedly sent female employees at Bungie. Sony's lawyers say
<v Speaker 2>that these messages show a pattern of misconduct. The document
<v Speaker 2>was filed last week, according to game File. In one message,
<v Speaker 2>Barrett asks a female Bungee employee, are you still in
<v Speaker 2>pj's and is it like a button down or button
<v Speaker 2>down tops and bottoms, sweatpants, Lululemons? And another message, Barrett
<v Speaker 2>called a woman the Holy Grail and added I'm not
<v Speaker 2>hitting on you. I hope it doesn't feel like that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm married, but I could be honest. You are the
<v Speaker 2>point zero zero zero zero one percent and better and
<v Speaker 2>better be treated like that forever. Now you'd be like, okay,
<v Speaker 2>message you like that completely unacceptable.
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, oh, did he just like trip up
<v Speaker 1>on this one woman?
<v Speaker 2>The weirdest thing is like, Okay, there are Victim one,
<v Speaker 2>and he talks to her like this, and then Victim
<v Speaker 2>two talks to her like this, Victim three talks to
<v Speaker 2>her like this, Victim four talks to her like this.
<v Speaker 2>It just keeps going and going and going and jen.
<v Speaker 2>These people are from another fucking planet. How do you
<v Speaker 2>how do you treat people this way?
<v Speaker 1>How do you?
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess these dirty little nerds get a
<v Speaker 2>little bit of power and just begin lording. They're like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>suddenly I can do this to women and get away
<v Speaker 2>with it. I'm this is what I've been waiting for
<v Speaker 2>my entire life. I cannot fathom this. It drives me crazy.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, grub, It's fucking gross. These fucking losers, let's
<v Speaker 3>just call him what. They are, fucking absolute douchebag losers
<v Speaker 3>that get one modicum and taste of power and they
<v Speaker 3>think that they are hot shit when in reality, Hey,
<v Speaker 3>you got to your job, maybe because you were skilled
<v Speaker 3>in some field, but that doesn't erase the type of
<v Speaker 3>shitty person that is underneath there. It isn't hard to
<v Speaker 3>be a decent human being, especially with your female or
<v Speaker 3>non binary cohort. Don't be an asshole. Also, this dog,
<v Speaker 3>this dude has a wife, so you are like the
<v Speaker 3>bad type of dog dog. And to double down, knowing
<v Speaker 3>that you send these texts to you not just one victim,
<v Speaker 3>but several victims, and you had the audacity to claim
<v Speaker 3>that Sonny was trying to be smirchy or whatever. You
<v Speaker 3>a piece of shit dog, yep.
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's very representative of kind of Oh I'm
<v Speaker 2>a nice guy, nerd. I'm gonna tell you all the
<v Speaker 2>things that but uh, you know, those tough guys won't
<v Speaker 2>tell you that you are always going out with or whatever,
<v Speaker 2>and so they just get in their heads that they
<v Speaker 2>are the nice one and so the things that they
<v Speaker 2>are saying are okay, even when it clearly makes people
<v Speaker 2>feel uncomfortable. He was like formerly reprimanded in writing to
<v Speaker 2>not do this, and then kept doing it. He got
<v Speaker 2>drunk one night and was like, uh. He called one
<v Speaker 2>of one of his employees that had already asked him
<v Speaker 2>to stop, and kept her on the phone for hours,
<v Speaker 2>and eventually she just hung up on him, even though
<v Speaker 2>clearly she was afraid to hang up on him because
<v Speaker 2>he's her boss.
<v Speaker 1>Uh. And uh, you know, everything came to a head
<v Speaker 1>eventually and we are here now. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think, to me, this is the kind of poison
<v Speaker 2>that is through so many of these people that can
<v Speaker 2>consider themselves to be nerds or whatever, that have now
<v Speaker 2>found themselves in power. You know, And I'm one talking
<v Speaker 2>about Elon Musk's and Mark Zuckerberg's and all these fuckos
<v Speaker 2>that just uh think ay, because I am not violent,
<v Speaker 2>the way that I go about things is preferable and
<v Speaker 2>should be protected, and I can get away with things.
<v Speaker 2>And really they are just using their power, which is
<v Speaker 2>in many ways the threat of violence of its own
<v Speaker 2>of Hey, I control your job, I control your life
<v Speaker 2>in many ways, and I can wield that against you.
<v Speaker 2>And you understand that. So let me say whatever I
<v Speaker 2>want to you. This is this is, this is a problem.
<v Speaker 2>We've we've got not gotten a hold on it. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know what we do, but we have not been
<v Speaker 2>able to get a hold on it, and it's gotten
<v Speaker 2>out of the control and now it's everywhere and it's uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know this guy, you know him, get in trouble,
<v Speaker 2>fantastic great. I hope he doesn't get his forty five
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. Doesn't seem like he's going to. But boy,
<v Speaker 2>this is just one tip of the iceberg, and there
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of fucking icebergs out there. It's it's
<v Speaker 2>rough stuff, all right. Space Bring two developer is making
<v Speaker 2>a game based on Tentpole hasbro ip. This is from
<v Speaker 2>Alie Welsh and Charlie Hall at Polygon. Hasbro, the toy
<v Speaker 2>company that owns Dungeons and Dragons, Magic the Gathering, Transformers,
<v Speaker 2>and Moore, has announced that it's making a triple A
<v Speaker 2>video game with the Saber Interactive team that made Space
<v Speaker 2>Marine two. The news came straight from Hasbro's CEO Chris
<v Speaker 2>Cox during an earning's call on Thursday, Cox said that
<v Speaker 2>the game would be based on one of Hasbro's tentpole ips.
<v Speaker 2>They didn't specify, Jim, what do you think.
<v Speaker 1>Makes no sense?
<v Speaker 3>Sorry? I was reading the court case. Yeah, A point
<v Speaker 3>sixty seven as a doomsday. Dan had pointed out on Chat,
<v Speaker 3>Christopher Barrett should probably just like trip forever.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I should just like walk into the ocean and
<v Speaker 2>you know, with some weighted pants.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, space Marine two making a game based on tentpole
<v Speaker 3>Hasbro ip a grub? Could it be Gi Joe?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I God, that's actually a really fun idea. I
<v Speaker 2>think the one that most people seem to be going
<v Speaker 2>to is Transformers, because you could just see the big
<v Speaker 2>heavy units mapped onto Space Ring too. But I don't
<v Speaker 2>think that there's any reason to assume it has to
<v Speaker 2>work that way, right, It could be any number of
<v Speaker 2>things you can, and you can make G I.
<v Speaker 1>Joe guys big and heavy if that's.
<v Speaker 2>What's required to make this game makes sense, But of
<v Speaker 2>course that's not how making games works.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think like a fun one would be
<v Speaker 1>a G I. Joe.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that counts as tent pole ip from
<v Speaker 2>Hasbro these days?
<v Speaker 3>I think so. I feel like, yeah, right, it isn't
<v Speaker 3>at the same level as Transformers currently is within like
<v Speaker 3>the cultural zeitgeist. That animated Transformers movie came out. I
<v Speaker 3>think last year that was pretty okay.
<v Speaker 1>I've been watching it, I mean too apparently it was
<v Speaker 1>pretty good.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was pretty good. And you know, there was
<v Speaker 3>that whole Gi Joe movie initiative, and then they made
<v Speaker 3>that Snake Eyes movie a couple of years afterwards. I
<v Speaker 3>could see them try and spin the Gears back up
<v Speaker 3>for a G I. Joe game From the Space Marine
<v Speaker 3>two team, we were kind of in a hole for
<v Speaker 3>like third person shooters or action adventure games like like
<v Speaker 3>how Space Marine was. There isn't eight Gears of War
<v Speaker 3>currently out right now, so maybe you could substitute the
<v Speaker 3>G I. Joe folks into that. Well, what else does
<v Speaker 3>Hasbro have other than so.
<v Speaker 1>Let's think about like what this studio has done recently.
<v Speaker 2>They did day Z. I'm sorry, not daisy, World war Z.
<v Speaker 2>I can't see all I made that mistake a World
<v Speaker 2>war Z. And then they did Space Marine two. And
<v Speaker 2>the things that those two things games have in common
<v Speaker 2>is this technology of a bunch of enemy units sort
<v Speaker 2>of swarming in and climbing on top of one another
<v Speaker 2>and scaling walls and getting at you. What if you
<v Speaker 2>replaced the whatever the hell they were in Space Marine
<v Speaker 2>two or the zombies from World War Z with putties.
<v Speaker 1>From Power Rangers and you're just fighting off waves of putties.
<v Speaker 3>Hey, grab you speaking my language, big dog. I think
<v Speaker 3>that give me.
<v Speaker 1>I think we nailed it.
<v Speaker 3>Space Marine two team. You need someone to just hang
<v Speaker 3>out in your office and talk about Power Rangers and
<v Speaker 3>get oddly excited at weird times.
<v Speaker 2>Cut the check and uh, we know a guy that
<v Speaker 2>can do some voices for it as well. And and
<v Speaker 2>also Jan, get your boy, get your boy Jan in
<v Speaker 2>there as well.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know me and Matt Shipman award winning Power
<v Speaker 3>Rangers podcast that I should probably just put out on
<v Speaker 3>Spotify at this point. Uh was behind the premium thing
<v Speaker 3>I'm a yeah, yeah, I'll get mad on the line.
<v Speaker 1>We'll see, we'll see what this turns into.
<v Speaker 2>But I'll say that I like that at Space Marine Team.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like.
<v Speaker 2>I like a lot of what uh this is Saber,
<v Speaker 2>what Saber has done. They're definitely a publisher slash studio
<v Speaker 2>that you could tell tries to do things in an
<v Speaker 2>affordable and sometimes cheap way. I think you could see
<v Speaker 2>that in many of their other games. But they've got
<v Speaker 2>some games that I just really like, sort of without caveats,
<v Speaker 2>So I'm always rooting for them. I hope that they're
<v Speaker 2>able to make this make sense. They're very good at
<v Speaker 2>working with IP too, and now the Warhammer at IP
<v Speaker 2>very easy to work with. It seems like they get
<v Speaker 2>that to everybody and sort of let them go. I
<v Speaker 2>hope other you know, IP holders are learning and be like,
<v Speaker 2>let's just behave like the Warhammer people, and that.
<v Speaker 1>Could work, all right.
<v Speaker 3>I understand that, sorry, Grub, I understand that Transformers is
<v Speaker 3>probably the easiest thing to translate all of their existing
<v Speaker 3>stuff to. But Grub, what if it's a gritty Pepa
<v Speaker 3>Pig story.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would that would be exactly for me.
<v Speaker 1>I want to see that. Now you know what, I'm
<v Speaker 1>getting my phones going off.
<v Speaker 2>Let me make sure that nothing bad has happened, because
<v Speaker 2>I and my wife is out of town and my
<v Speaker 2>kids were not feeling great with.
<v Speaker 1>Them at school today. No, it looks like we're good.
<v Speaker 1>All right, no emergencies today. Let's take a quick break.
<v Speaker 2>When we come back, plenty still to talk about, including
<v Speaker 2>how great that Last of Us Online mode.
<v Speaker 1>Was that got canceled right after this. All right, let's
<v Speaker 1>get right back into it.
<v Speaker 2>Former PlayStation boss shoe Hey Yoshida played The Last of
<v Speaker 2>Us Online and thought.
<v Speaker 1>It was great.
<v Speaker 2>That's from alex Co at Dual Shockers. Did you know
<v Speaker 2>that The Last of Us Part Too? Was initially conceived
<v Speaker 2>to feature a multiplayer component titled The Last of Us Online.
<v Speaker 2>It was then known as Factions until Naughty Dog canceled
<v Speaker 2>it in twenty twenty three. Well, not much as known
<v Speaker 2>about the canceled game. Former PlayStation boss shoe Hey Yoshita
<v Speaker 2>has played it and said it was great. In an interview,
<v Speaker 2>Yoshoulda talked about Naughty Dog's live service game The idea
<v Speaker 2>for the Last of Us Online.
<v Speaker 1>This is a quote.
<v Speaker 2>Now, the idea for the Last of US Online came
<v Speaker 2>from Naughty Dog and they really wanted to make it,
<v Speaker 2>YO should have explained, But Bungee explained to them what
<v Speaker 2>it takes to make Bungee explained to them what it
<v Speaker 2>takes to make a live service game, and Naughty Dog realized, oops,
<v Speaker 2>we can't do that. If we do it, we can
<v Speaker 2>make Intergalactic the herotic profit. So that was a lack
<v Speaker 2>of foresight. YO should have said. And you know, we
<v Speaker 2>talked about this at the time when when this game,
<v Speaker 2>when Factions got canceled.
<v Speaker 1>This is what I heard is.
<v Speaker 2>That they were feeling mostly like they thought they had
<v Speaker 2>a fun game, but they were looking at like what
<v Speaker 2>it would take to support the game in a live
<v Speaker 2>service environment in a for an extended period of time.
<v Speaker 2>And that's not just you know, keeping the game running.
<v Speaker 2>That is making new deals to bring in skins, skins
<v Speaker 2>that make sense for the game, skins that like you
<v Speaker 2>didn't have to like adapt to the last of US
<v Speaker 2>factions environments. So it looks right that stuff all takes
<v Speaker 2>a massive amount of time. It's it might not pay
<v Speaker 2>off because people might be like, well, where are my Transformers?
<v Speaker 1>I just want that in there.
<v Speaker 2>I don't need another dirty shirt, but like that, they
<v Speaker 2>wanted to keep things sort of, you know, right for
<v Speaker 2>the Last of Us and all of these Hey, we're
<v Speaker 2>going to do things the Naughty Dog way, a kind
<v Speaker 2>of the opposite of how you get a live service
<v Speaker 2>game off the ground and keep it running for a
<v Speaker 2>long period of time while also then being able to
<v Speaker 2>make another massive game alongside that. So it just they
<v Speaker 2>just realized once they talked to Bungie that was the part.
<v Speaker 2>Like that was like the first conversation Bunchie had with
<v Speaker 2>anyone outside of once they got acquired by Sony was
<v Speaker 2>let's go over the Naughty Dog and see what's going on.
<v Speaker 2>And that conversation directly led to everyone realizing we can't
<v Speaker 2>actually release this game. Does it hurt a little bit
<v Speaker 2>more to hear that? It was great jam because that's
<v Speaker 2>a bummer. It's like, can't they just put this out
<v Speaker 2>as a mode in the game itself?
<v Speaker 3>M yeah, this sounds interesting. I enjoyed the Last of
<v Speaker 3>Us ones multiplayer for as limited and small as it was.
<v Speaker 3>I was hoping that there'd be a multiplayer component and
<v Speaker 3>the Last of Us two Let's all be miserable together
<v Speaker 3>and dirty together. It just feels odd though, Greb that
<v Speaker 3>they would get this mode into a playable state for
<v Speaker 3>someone like Shoe Hate to play and at that point
<v Speaker 3>in time to figure out, now, we don't got the
<v Speaker 3>resources to keep this running. Yeah, it just feels like
<v Speaker 3>something like, if you have that big of a team,
<v Speaker 3>you have that much support, that much money going into
<v Speaker 3>this part of the game, shouldn't you have made that
<v Speaker 3>decision earlier? And I get it kind of that all
<v Speaker 3>these companies are going for that live service cash flow,
<v Speaker 3>but there has had to have been the realization earlier
<v Speaker 3>in the process, before all of these resources were already spent,
<v Speaker 3>that maybe we can't do this, maybe we shouldn't do
<v Speaker 3>this before putting in that work to do it.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, it's it is a very weird thing. And I
<v Speaker 1>think it goes back to.
<v Speaker 2>No one really learns from other people's mistakes, right you don't.
<v Speaker 2>You don't look over at Bungee and be like, man,
<v Speaker 2>that looked really tough, and they kind of even didn't
<v Speaker 2>didn't figure it out with Bunchie two or with Destiny
<v Speaker 2>to excuse me, and uh, they had a lot of
<v Speaker 2>the same problems and a lot of new problems with
<v Speaker 2>Destiny two.
<v Speaker 1>That took a while to sort out.
<v Speaker 2>Uh, and so even the people that learn from their
<v Speaker 2>experience aren't learning all the right lessons all the time.
<v Speaker 2>So when we try to go do this and we say,
<v Speaker 2>all right, we're gonna either learn from other people or
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna figure out to do it on our own
<v Speaker 2>live service, every time kind of just eats people alive
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of have to just go through it
<v Speaker 2>to figure it out. And that's that's the terrible thing
<v Speaker 2>that happened here, is they made a game that people
<v Speaker 2>thought was great and fun to play, and they couldn't
<v Speaker 2>release it because they didn't know how bad it would
<v Speaker 2>be to keep it just to keep it going.
<v Speaker 1>That's that's rough stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so odd to look at the patterns scrub
<v Speaker 3>and that how a multiplayer mode was being ham fisted
<v Speaker 3>into almost every Triple A game and sometimes it worked. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>a lot of folks like the mass effect multiplayer mode.
<v Speaker 3>And now not only are some games trying to get
<v Speaker 3>that multiplayer mode, but there's also trying to be hamphist
<v Speaker 3>some type of live service stuff. And you're right, no
<v Speaker 3>one is learning from each other. They're all off into
<v Speaker 3>their own individual silos and the only thing they've heard
<v Speaker 3>is Live service makes money without realizing that the long
<v Speaker 3>process to go through that.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think anything can reach Fortnite at this point.
<v Speaker 3>Like there's going to be a different thing that blows
<v Speaker 3>up and is big, but it is not going to
<v Speaker 3>be Fortnite levels, not for a very long time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I just the most frustrating aspect of this to me
<v Speaker 2>is that they made a fun live service multiplayer game
<v Speaker 2>and they couldn't find some way to just be like, well,
<v Speaker 2>let's strip out all the stuff that we can't maintain
<v Speaker 2>and just release it as a bonus for the Last
<v Speaker 2>of Us Part two remastered or remake that we made
<v Speaker 2>that they put that out at that time. They could
<v Speaker 2>have been like, hey, we know what's going on, let's
<v Speaker 2>just let's get this mode ready and just put it
<v Speaker 2>out as part of this release. And because it's not
<v Speaker 2>going to survive as a live service game, they can't
<v Speaker 2>justify the cost of take to do that.
<v Speaker 1>I suppose it stinks.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, hey, we used to just get these modes
<v Speaker 2>in games, and I'm not someone who needs a multiplayer
<v Speaker 2>mode in every game. But the fact that they made
<v Speaker 2>it and now we're never going to get to play
<v Speaker 2>it because it doesn't work. It's this live service business
<v Speaker 2>model that is very annoying. I don't care about you
<v Speaker 2>business models. Just let me play the fun thing you made.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I feel the same way with that multiplayer Spider
<v Speaker 3>Man game that was leaked a couple a year or
<v Speaker 3>two ago, Like I want to just swing around with
<v Speaker 3>my friends. Let me do that.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>I guess Simon Nice is asking, do you think there's
<v Speaker 2>a chance they're holding back what they worked on for
<v Speaker 2>maybe to add as a mode for Last of Us
<v Speaker 2>Part three down like way down the line. I maybe,
<v Speaker 2>But I think by then, like the sort of the
<v Speaker 2>tech debt and things would be so out of date.
<v Speaker 2>Unless they were actively maintaining this thing that they're not
<v Speaker 2>going to use for five another five years, probably that
<v Speaker 2>seems very unlikely.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I maybe this could be like an break in
<v Speaker 3>case of emergency delio grub of like people are tired
<v Speaker 3>of the Last of Us. Uh, Season two didn't take
<v Speaker 3>off as much as we wanted it to. Let's go
<v Speaker 3>bust out the multiplayer mode yep. And now everyone can
<v Speaker 3>take out their frustrations on Pedro past squal for being
<v Speaker 3>between handsome.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get his ass. All right. Let's see here.
<v Speaker 2>Mouthwashing coming to PS five, Xbox Series and Switch in
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five and sales game excuse me, I've already
<v Speaker 2>topped five hundred thousand units. This is from Salramano at
<v Speaker 2>Gamatsu publisher Critical Reflexing developer Wrong Organ will release PlayStation five,
<v Speaker 2>Xbox Series and Switch versions of horror game Mouthwashing in
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. So this year there's also gonna be
<v Speaker 2>a physical edition for PlayStation five and Switch from fan Gamer,
<v Speaker 2>So that's.
<v Speaker 1>Pretty neat as well. Seems like this game is really
<v Speaker 1>found its audience.
<v Speaker 2>You know that how Fish was made game that they
<v Speaker 2>kind of worked on before this was a like a
<v Speaker 2>cult hit, had its audience. People would tell each other
<v Speaker 2>about it, but it wasn't selling, you know, five hundred
<v Speaker 2>thousand copies and then go into PlayStation. So this is
<v Speaker 2>this is a pretty good breakout hit for them.
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent. If you haven't checked it out and
<v Speaker 3>you have the means to play it now, go ahead.
<v Speaker 3>I strongly suggest you check it out. But fantastic that
<v Speaker 3>this is going to be able to reach a whole
<v Speaker 3>new type of audience, with it releasing to console and
<v Speaker 3>physical for the physical freaks out there. I had this
<v Speaker 3>game still occasionally pops up in my brain. Oh yeah, grubs.
<v Speaker 3>So if you were looking to further throw yourself into
<v Speaker 3>the abyss because the abyss of the real world is
<v Speaker 3>stressing you out too much, correct, go have an internal
<v Speaker 3>ego death and go play mouthwashing hell yeah. And also
<v Speaker 3>go actually wash your mouth, folks. Yeah, goal, not only
<v Speaker 3>brush your teeth, don't just floss, don't just use mouthwash.
<v Speaker 3>Scrape your tongue as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I gotta get that tongue scraper. What's your what's
<v Speaker 2>your mouthwash?
<v Speaker 1>Tech?
<v Speaker 2>These days, they've got that. A new brand that's popping off.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what it's called.
<v Speaker 3>Therma Breath.
<v Speaker 2>Yea Therma breath. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the my Jimmy
<v Speaker 2>jam Now.
<v Speaker 3>It's good stuff. It's got an orange cap dentist recommended
<v Speaker 3>keeps your breath fresh for twelve hours supposedly.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, well, I mean god, I think it works
<v Speaker 2>works better than anything else I used.
<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, which is nice?
<v Speaker 3>All right?
<v Speaker 2>Lego game Boy, Price Slash, release date and Peace count
<v Speaker 2>appear online. This is from Jordan Midler at VGC more
<v Speaker 2>de yout tell us about that upcoming Lego Game Boy
<v Speaker 2>set have appeared online for those physical freaks we were
<v Speaker 2>talking about jan including the price. The news comes from
<v Speaker 2>Falcon Brick Studios and Instagram account with a long trek
<v Speaker 2>record of posting information about Lego sets before it is
<v Speaker 2>publicly aired. The account claims that the set will be
<v Speaker 2>released on October first, will cost sixty dollars and will
<v Speaker 2>include four hundred and twenty one pieces. In comparison with
<v Speaker 2>other branded Lego this is somewhat more expensive than is typical.
<v Speaker 2>For example, Lego Harry Potter Night Bus Adventure Set, which
<v Speaker 2>included five hundred pieces that's more, only costed what was
<v Speaker 2>was priced at fifty dollars, so ten dollars less. That's
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a harbinger for price increase for like
<v Speaker 2>per brick Lego costs going forward.
<v Speaker 3>Whats yeah, I think so Lego knows and realizes that
<v Speaker 3>they've captivated and captured the freaks out there, the people
<v Speaker 3>that want these physical models. It's it's so wild to
<v Speaker 3>see the transition from Legos being like a very nerd
<v Speaker 3>and niche thing to now one hundred percent being taking
<v Speaker 3>its place and being part of the cultural canon. Yes, yeah, ah,
<v Speaker 3>it's wild that it's only four hundred and twenty one
<v Speaker 3>pieces and it costs sixty dollars, but it is like
<v Speaker 3>eight licensed Jimmy jam Those.
<v Speaker 2>Are usually are more expensive, for sure, but like you know,
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter, license isn't gonna be cheap, and you know
<v Speaker 2>that costs less. So I think, I mean, I think
<v Speaker 2>you're onto something like capturing the freaks, the Nintendo freaks.
<v Speaker 2>It's like a long term deal for them. They're gonna
<v Speaker 2>be making Nintendo stuff and based on right now, they're
<v Speaker 2>doing a lot of the hardware stuff. They've got the
<v Speaker 2>Mario things as well. I think they've done a Zelda thing,
<v Speaker 2>maybe like a Pickman thing even but they're just getting started.
<v Speaker 2>There is gonna be years and years and years and
<v Speaker 2>years of them making stuff based on Nintendo products, and
<v Speaker 2>I think they think that is probably worth whatever IP
<v Speaker 2>premium they have to pay grub.
<v Speaker 3>I thought about trying to purchase this when it eventually
<v Speaker 3>goes live, but I will for sent and buy a
<v Speaker 3>Lego Game Boy sp Yeah hell yeah, I hate myself.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, god, the sps just like such a
<v Speaker 1>perfect ah.
<v Speaker 3>I never had a GameCube, but the GameCube would be
<v Speaker 3>a fantastic set.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that'd probably be a pretty easy one too.
<v Speaker 1>I would love to see that. That'd be pretty cool. Uh,
<v Speaker 1>it's already a brick. Uh. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Pokemon Presents presentation confirmed for this month. This is from
<v Speaker 2>my Nintendo News. The Pokemon Company Internationals confirmed that the
<v Speaker 2>special Pokemon Day Pokemon Presents Presentation That's quite a thing
<v Speaker 2>to say, will take place on Thursday, twenty seventh of February.
<v Speaker 2>The Pokemon Presents kicks off at six am Pacific time.
<v Speaker 2>It's not clear what the run time is, but the
<v Speaker 2>event is sure to shine a spotlight on the upcoming
<v Speaker 2>Pokemon legends ZA for the Nintendo Switch family of systems.
<v Speaker 2>How are you feeling about this, Janet?
<v Speaker 3>Why do they do this to me? Grub? What they
<v Speaker 3>This feels targeted? This continues to feel targeted.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they do this at six am.
<v Speaker 3>They know that I like Pokemon, but why why six am?
<v Speaker 3>What shit? At least at seven I gotta I gotta
<v Speaker 3>walk Scout, I gotta wake up and do my morning jazz.
<v Speaker 3>Come on, Pokemon.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's what time would that be in Japan? I
<v Speaker 2>guess that would be probably.
<v Speaker 3>I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>It's inconvenient to me, grub, but it's like everyone else
<v Speaker 2>like does these kinds of things at a time where
<v Speaker 2>it's like this seems to work for everybody and it's
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more reasonable for us.
<v Speaker 1>I guess this is nine am for me. I'm not complaining.
<v Speaker 1>I'll be fine.
<v Speaker 3>What if I was located in Hawaii, Grub, Okay.
<v Speaker 2>Hawaiians, uh and they you know, they've got a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the Pokemon runs deep in Hawaii.
<v Speaker 3>Come on, the whole region that's based off of Hawaii. Yeah, exactly,
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do the year this year in Hawaii.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we gotta remember that for the catch up,
<v Speaker 2>all right, I uh yeah, they'll have a bunch of
<v Speaker 2>news here.
<v Speaker 1>There's also apparently rumors going around.
<v Speaker 2>That there will be a new switch o led bundle
<v Speaker 2>released on February twenty seven. Now that that could just
<v Speaker 2>happen at the Pokemon Presents, but maybe that'll happen on
<v Speaker 2>a separate Nintendo announcement. Maybe that's the thing that the
<v Speaker 2>pH brisil has been talking about that I've also heard
<v Speaker 2>rumors about.
<v Speaker 1>Again, can't pin down. So yeah, we'll see Pokemon Z
<v Speaker 1>a bundle with an O lead.
<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe it's a custom you know, custom job,
<v Speaker 2>custom custom gimmick or something like that. You're probably not
<v Speaker 2>gonna hop on that at this point, right because Switch
<v Speaker 2>two is imminent.
<v Speaker 3>Oh, Jan grub, Oh Jan Grub. No, I think I might.
<v Speaker 3>I think I might finally pull the trigger because it'd
<v Speaker 3>be oled have a fun poke bottle.
<v Speaker 2>That's true, olead is fair and switch to won't have
<v Speaker 2>an O lead screen.
<v Speaker 1>So but you are sick, Jan, Yes.
<v Speaker 3>We know this. Why is everyone like we're shocked? Here?
<v Speaker 1>All right? Okay? Here interesting?
<v Speaker 2>So according to Bill Bill Kuhn, who leaked this, I
<v Speaker 2>think it is a Maria Wonder switch oh led bundle.
<v Speaker 3>Ah less interested now, okay.
<v Speaker 2>So for one hundred and fifty dollars it is not themed,
<v Speaker 2>so it's just a regular system. It looks like it's
<v Speaker 2>the white model, and then it comes with Super Mario
<v Speaker 2>Brothers Wonder.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's more interesting.
<v Speaker 2>So that probably does mean that would be something that
<v Speaker 2>Nintendo woul announce on its own separately, clearly would be yeah, okay, yeah.
<v Speaker 3>My hopes and wishes for this Pokemon presents obviously, I
<v Speaker 3>want to learn more about what Pokemon Za is going
<v Speaker 3>to be. I do kind of enjoy the theories that
<v Speaker 3>people are throwing around that it could also be a
<v Speaker 3>city builder or town management game that could be cool
<v Speaker 3>coming from it.
<v Speaker 1>Definitely showed up some stuff that suggests that for sure.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if it is like the a similar gameplay of
<v Speaker 3>catching and battling and finding Pokemon like Archaeas was one
<v Speaker 3>hundred per let's go do that. I also want to
<v Speaker 3>see potential remakes. I would love another Let's Go Pikachu
<v Speaker 3>Evy game for the Joto region. Those games are just
<v Speaker 3>so much fun. I'm curious to see if there are
<v Speaker 3>any updates with some card stuff with the mobile app.
<v Speaker 3>I've fallen off of it, thankfully, but I want to
<v Speaker 3>know what cars we got grub Also, my my, my
<v Speaker 3>strongest desire is just let me fight the Pokemon, not
<v Speaker 3>not poking, pockin' whatever we're calling it. Just give me
<v Speaker 3>a an easier battle simulator like Pokemon Showdown. That's all
<v Speaker 3>I want, game freak, That's all I want. Pokemon. Let
<v Speaker 3>me fight my my little dudes.
<v Speaker 2>Is Pokemon Showdown that that website that like people use, Yes, okay.
<v Speaker 3>Yes it is. They use it for math and like
<v Speaker 3>simulating battles and just doing also or to jazz.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know they that Pokemon Go
<v Speaker 2>or a Pokemon card game which I can't remember the
<v Speaker 2>name of right now.
<v Speaker 1>It is it.
<v Speaker 2>Feels like they figure out a lot of stuff that's like, hey,
<v Speaker 2>we know what people want and delivered it for the
<v Speaker 2>most part. Maybe they're onto something maybe like something like
<v Speaker 2>that could happen, but boy, I think they want to
<v Speaker 2>kind of keep people in the games.
<v Speaker 3>Also, fuck, was it through the three DS Pokemon Dynasty?
<v Speaker 3>It was a tactics Pokemon game with tiles. Give me
<v Speaker 3>that right please?
<v Speaker 1>Pokemon Conquest? Is that what you said? Yeah?
<v Speaker 3>Quests? I think yes, yes, All right, well.
<v Speaker 2>We'll see it won't have to wait long because February
<v Speaker 2>is almost over. Jan What is going on?
<v Speaker 1>This is crazy.
<v Speaker 2>We're February twenty. This is a week away this thing
<v Speaker 2>that we're talking about. So yeah, and then two days
<v Speaker 2>later it'll be March. So yeah, a lot a lot
<v Speaker 2>of time just flying by. Once again, let's get to
<v Speaker 2>the pole question. All right, here we go, which remmake
<v Speaker 2>would you want more? Your options were for this poll.
<v Speaker 2>Tony Hawk's underground one plus two or Tony Hawk's pro
<v Speaker 2>skater three plus four, and fifty eight percent went with
<v Speaker 2>three plus four. Forty two percent they want to see
<v Speaker 2>Thug one and plus two. I think, I think, really
<v Speaker 2>what this is there's a lot of people who want
<v Speaker 2>both jan and they're like, let's just go and work.
<v Speaker 1>Let's get three plus four.
<v Speaker 2>Then we could do Thug after that, and that I
<v Speaker 2>hope that's how it goes down.
<v Speaker 3>I one hundred percent hope that as well. While I
<v Speaker 3>do have fonder memories of Thug one, I did not
<v Speaker 3>like Thug two because of how much jackass content there was.
<v Speaker 3>So three four, please more, Tony Hawk, please some one.
<v Speaker 2>I again like this is like now an open secret,
<v Speaker 2>like I'm hear I heard about it a year ago,
<v Speaker 2>and now extasists. Who has done a bunch of leaking,
<v Speaker 2>you know, not always one hundred percent, but whatever has
<v Speaker 2>said this as well, And I think a bunch of
<v Speaker 2>peo percent is three plus four. That's what I've heard,
<v Speaker 2>so expect three plus four. Really kind of can't wait
<v Speaker 2>to see who's making it though, you know, probably toys
<v Speaker 2>for Bob, because that's what Lucy said, but probably not
<v Speaker 2>toys for Bob. Because that's what Mike said, So probably
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go with Lucy on this one. All right,
<v Speaker 2>we got a new poll question before we get to that, though, Janachowa,
<v Speaker 2>what do we have going on that we should tell
<v Speaker 2>people about?
<v Speaker 3>We got a whole lot of stuff going on today,
<v Speaker 3>grub you yourself will be popping over with the game
<v Speaker 3>spot Homies and playing a bit of like a Dragon
<v Speaker 3>Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii. Is that the name of the game.
<v Speaker 1>I think they always forget so yes, it's.
<v Speaker 3>Just such a dumb name that I look perfect. Also,
<v Speaker 3>we will have voicemail dumb Truck later today. Another episode
<v Speaker 3>of Games Mornings tomorrow, probably a BCR, probably a UPF
<v Speaker 3>as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's gonna be a good time no matter what. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>all right, new pool question. I'm just curious. I want
<v Speaker 2>to see what people say to this question. I'm like,
<v Speaker 2>in my head, it's like, Oh, it's going to be
<v Speaker 2>maybe more people than we think.
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe it's going to be a way lower than
<v Speaker 1>we think. I don't know. So the question is, do
<v Speaker 1>you use AI tools for your work? Yes? Or no?
<v Speaker 2>You'll find that how you want. But you know, I
<v Speaker 2>would say, like if you ever have, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>whatever it's called from Google, write an email for you.
<v Speaker 2>Definitely that counts. I don't know if like I would
<v Speaker 2>count content awaar phill or something like the stuff inside
<v Speaker 2>a photoshop Probably would these days, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>If you feel comfortable, I would also like to see
<v Speaker 3>that in the comments, what specific tools you use as well.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, maybe just give us a little bit of
<v Speaker 2>an insight. Maybe we can kind of go through some
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff. I get the sense that a lot
<v Speaker 2>of people are just kind of using stuff that like
<v Speaker 2>they're taking the parts that might be a little useful
<v Speaker 2>to them, and the rest of this bullshit they don't
<v Speaker 2>even see.
<v Speaker 1>So let's let's get some responses and we'll see what
<v Speaker 1>people say. All right.
<v Speaker 2>That poll question will show up on game mess Warnings
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow here on Giant Bomb of course, like Jane said,
<v Speaker 2>speaking a Giant Bomb, we will have about an hour
<v Speaker 2>from now, I think there'll be streaming to the giant
<v Speaker 2>Bomb twitch as well. That's hanging out me hanging out
<v Speaker 2>with the GameSpot crew and playing ya Kaza, So we'll
<v Speaker 2>see look out for that. It'll be a good time everybody.
<v Speaker 2>And in the meantime, I think that covers everything. Jana Chowa,
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for hanging out with me today
<v Speaker 2>and talking about video games. Man, I really appreciate it.
<v Speaker 3>It's the only way to start a Thursday grub.
<v Speaker 2>And thank you everybody for watching and listening to You
<v Speaker 2>are the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have
<v Speaker 2>a good one, take care of yourself and goodbye.