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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voter Armando Salgero and senior NFL writer for OutKick dot Com. How did we get to this point, Armando?

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously, Bill Belichick has been away from the game for a year, so he becomes eligible for consideration for the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a coach. He went through the Coach committee and beat out such people as.

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Speaker 4: Holmgren and others.

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Speaker 3: I presented him there and he got through to the main selection committee, which consists of fifty folks media, former NFL players and coaches. Tony Dungee is on the committee. Dan Fouts is on the committee. Bill Pollian obviously is on the committee, and we took a vote and we found out found out yesterday that he hadn't made it. He found out last Friday that he hadn't made it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm shocked you laughed when you mentioned Bill Pollian. Why.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you. I know that Bill has gone forward and backward on whether he voted for coach Belichick or not. I think that speaks for yourself.

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Speaker 4: No, if you're you're.

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Speaker 3: Not sure that you did, you are one hundred percent sure that you did, and then you're you don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Was there any talk in the room while you're presenting the case for Bill Belichick that would lead you to believe that we were going to have this end result.

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Speaker 3: So the way it works, Dan is I present, and then there's the you know, discussion slash debate. And in that discussion slash debate, there was definitely of signs that this was going to be somewhat of.

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Speaker 4: An uphill battle.

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Speaker 3: There was one voter who said, out right, I'm not voting for him and because of Spygate, and you know, he gets his opinion, and.

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Speaker 4: There was others who brought up the one year thing, just the.

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Speaker 3: Fact that he might come back and be a coach again in the NFL after being selected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That is not an issue for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that was said in the meeting, So I assume that that was not the thing.

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Speaker 4: I think that Spygate was the factor that we're sitting here today.

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Speaker 3: It's the reason that Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Can I be fair to the story the situation in Belichick where I look at his career after Spygate. Could I could I look at success after Spygate and maybe split this up that if you you have something under suspicion as we move into the second part of his career, he's a Hall of Famer with what he did after that one.

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Speaker 3: In fact, in my rebuttal, because you get the presenter gets a presentation, everybody you know discusses, and then I.

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Speaker 4: Get the last word on Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 3: And in my rebuttal, I pointed out that Bill Belichick had a higher winning percentage after Spygate than before. Bill Belichick went to six conference championships, a record after Spygate. Bill Belichick won three Super Bowls after Spygate. Spygate happened on September seventh, two thousand and seven. On September eighth, two thousand and seven, the New England Patriots hired a compliance officer. And I've been told that that compliance officer, who worked for the team through twoenty twenty five, her sole purpose, she's a lawyer, was to make sure that the Patriots complied with any every NFL rule to make sure that this didn't repeat. And obviously we didn't have another spygate after two thousand and seven, you.

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Speaker 2: Get a letter from Tom Brady, and I don't know if you even thought you were going to have to use the letter from Tom Brady? But how did you get the letter? And then you you present that to the voters by reading.

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Speaker 3: It correct And oh no, I knew that I was going to use it, because if you're going to come to a gunfight, you bring all of your ammunition.

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Speaker 4: That was part of it. When Tom Brady, who, let's be honest and transparent.

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Speaker 3: There were rumors years ago that their relationship wasn't great, that there was, you know, a little bit of a separation there. Tom Brady gave the most full throated endorsement of Bill Belichick that I've ever seen or read or been associated with. So I thought that that would carry weight in the room, and I read the whole thing to the other selectors.

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Speaker 2: Do we know the number of voters who didn't vote for Belichick? I know that you had to have at least eleven. Was it exactly eleven?

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Speaker 3: I don't know the number. The Hall of Fame would know, and they're not telling. So there's that we don't know as selectors who did and who did not because the selection process is done electronically, and nobody is sharing their ballot obviously, so there's only guesses based on what was said in the room.

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Speaker 2: Should your vote be made public? Well?

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Speaker 3: So, I wrote a column at alkick dot com last night saying that at the minimum, the people, the minority of selectors who declined to vote for Bill Belichick, they should speak up and say why, because a majority of the selectors did vote for Bill Belichick. And now we're all under that umbrella of you know, embarrassment. We're all we're like beagles that just went to the vet wearing this cone of embarrassment around our neck.

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Speaker 4: We didn't vote for.

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, and I don't want to be a beagle wearing a car of embarrassment.

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Speaker 4: I voted for Bill Belichick and I know him.

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Speaker 5: Majority did.

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Speaker 3: Let the minority who didn't explain themselves if they wish.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then what happens to Tom Brady when he's eligible?

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting question because if you're gonna ding Bill Belichick for spygate, are you going to ding Tom Brady for the flate gate?

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Speaker 2: Have you been in contact with Brady since this announcement?

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Speaker 5: I have non?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Armando, thank you We appreciate you joining us, all right, Dan Pleasure, Armando Salgero.

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Speaker 2: Or wherever you get your podcast. Dominique Foxworth, host of The Dominique Foxworth Show ESPN NFL analyst, joining us on the program. Hey, g here, Bill Belichick's not getting in the Hall of Fame, Dominique.

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Speaker 7: I didn't realize how lucky the Bills are today that we're not dissecting the decision that.

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Speaker 8: They made to.

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Speaker 7: Essentially promote everybody except for the coach and sending them back in. And also, I guess the Steelers are dodging a little bit of hell today. Also, but yeah, Bill Belichick didn't get in, and people are mad. Jimmy Johnson caught everybody a holes and that started telling They started telling on everyone else.

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Speaker 8: Tea scandal. Did you see that tweet?

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 7: Oh, I've been looking up and read it to you.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't Bill Belichick get in first time? First ballot?

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Speaker 8: I mean, none of the explanations seem like good.

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Speaker 7: The only good explanation is one that hasn't really been presented yet is he's still kind of a professional coach, and like, I don't have any opposition to putting guys in while they're still active, but that's traditionally not something you can do. You have to be one year removed or for players, five years removed from having played. He's coaching college now, which like he's getting paid a lot of money to run a program. So I guess you could make the argument that he and he might come back to the NFL. And we've seen like Mike Shanahan's a coach who I think is like the father of most of modern NFL offenses, and he still hasn't gotten in yet, in part I think because they want to wait until coaches are fully retired. But that's not the excuse that's been brought up. It's this spygate stuff and it's explanations for how convoluted the process is. Those are really bad excuses for a guy who won six Super Bowls as head coach too as an assistant coach and kind of like ushered in the generation of like flexible edge rushers.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, it's it's baffling.

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Speaker 2: Okay, which this mean for Tom Brady?

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Speaker 8: Nothing?

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Speaker 7: No, Like Bill Belichick has just actively been his or essentially been his fullback.

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Speaker 8: Nobody's gonna do that to Tom Brady.

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Speaker 7: And I also think Tom Brady has done a better job with relationships than Bill Belichick. And that's one of the things that we haven't focused on. And this very much that a lot of the voting is about relationships, and different teams will promote different guys, and if you like somebody, you're gonna be more prone to vote for him. Like I think that Tom Brady has done an excellent job of promoting those relationships.

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Speaker 8: He's a part.

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Speaker 7: Owner of a team in the lead broadcaster on one of the biggest partners, Like I don't think Tom Brady's gonna have nearly as much of a as much trouble getting into the Hall of Fame as it seems like Bill Belichick is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why isn't Robert crafton the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Again, I think it's about relationships, and it's the game of thrones. Behind the scenes is sometimes more interesting, as I mean, Don Van Nada and Steph Wickersham has made careers out of exposing some of that stuff that is so much more interesting in some cases than what's actually happening on the field.

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Speaker 8: And I think that speaks to it.

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Speaker 7: Older guys, I think you get a little bit more sympathy than more likely to put you in.

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Speaker 8: But I think often there are.

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Speaker 7: People and we've heard about some of the rivalries that Robert Craft has had in the league and some of the issues, and that might bleed into we saw that documentary that he put out, that might bleed into some of the opinion of Bill Belichick. I think all this stuff matters, but people, I mean, it is nice to have all of America agree on election, right it's kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: Remember what that was like, Yeah, long time ago.

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Speaker 8: It was wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Joe Brady got promoted. Yeah, I said last hour, I thought this was uninspiring. If you're gonna change, and you're going to change by firing your head coach, I don't know if you can keep your GM and promote your offenship coordinator without sort of being the shame team next year. Your thoughts, Yeah, I like to.

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Speaker 8: It's often easy just to be like that was dumb. I like to extend some like.

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Speaker 7: Assumed strategy and intelligence to the owners and people who run the teams. Terry Pagoula when he did that press conference, made it really hard to continue to assume some sort of strategy and intelligence. But I think if you without them having said this, if you're trying to look for a logical reason why they did this, it's because of Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 8: Like that's the reason. Honestly.

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Speaker 7: It's like you have a good coach on your staff, with which the Bucks had, and you let him leave, and it's something that's happened a bunch of times. The Ravens are a good example of that. Also, Mike McDonald was on the staff. You let him leave, he goes to become a head coach and maybe one of the best coaches in the league at Seattle, and then you fire your coach the next year. Like, that's the only thing that possibly makes sense. That they were seeing Brady as someone who was gaining a lot of attention and sooner or later they were going to lose to some other organization. And while they did present a bunch of other reasons for why they made the decision that they made, if you look at the collection of all the decisions that they made and where they ended up, that's the only thing that makes sense. Either that or they really think Sean mcdemmert was so bad of a coach he's the one loan piece that is holding them back, which is absurd when you also listen to the owner say that the only reason why they.

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Speaker 8: Lost is because of bad call.

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Speaker 7: So, yeah, the only thing it makes sense is they loved Joe Brady and they didn't want to lose him to some other team.

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy going back home emotional. This isn't a typical hire for the Steelers, but he does help. He develops quarterbacks, and he can elevate an offense that's been a bottom feeder for almost a decade. Now, I know, we look at his age, they like to get that thirty five year old defensive coordinator. Your thought on Mike McCarthy, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean I think there's some incongruent thoughts in that one also, where it's like, we hired a coach who we believe is good at developing quarterbacks, but this coach seems to want a fully developed quarterback to return, which Aaron Rodgers is so like, that's the part that doesn't make sense is if and maybe he's just saying that because he has to say it, But if this team is serious about turning the page at some point, I think they're gonna have to move on from this band aid situation that they've been doing for the quarterback position. They're gonna have to start using draft picks and signing free agents. I don't think Mike McCarthy is a bad hire, Obviously, it's a kind of an uninspired hire. But what it suggests to me is something that Mike Tomlin actually did surprise them with this.

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Speaker 8: It felt like to me, like there's no way that he.

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Speaker 7: Could be there for as long as he has and not have hinted towards the ownership that this might be my last year, but it seems like the way they reacted to it, he was really shocked.

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Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos firing coaches yesterday kind of quietly because we're still trying to digest the fourth and one call. And now Sean comes out and says, hey, I would have gone for it. I would have called a better play paraphrasing I mean, you won fourteen games, and now you're like they had an excuse with Bonnix. They probably win that game and you'd be in the super Bowl. But like, are these jobs that tenuous? That's like we lost, You're going, yeah, Champagne.

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Speaker 7: Is a powerful guy and he's never been shy about making these type of decisions. I think that there's one way to look at this where you're like, hey, we can always get better. That's commendable that there are going to be aggressive because you look back at their season, as good as their season was, as a lot of single score games, and while you could walk away and be and feel good at scapegoating the injury to your quarterback in the weather, I think that whatever happened, obviously there's a longer track record. I don't think the result of the season is why they made that decision. And then you can look at the Jets too, which also did some cheerious things that at some point someone's got.

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Speaker 2: To any coaches aside from Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 7: I again talk about strategy, and I said at the beginning is like I like to extend the assumption that these owners are at least reasonably intelligent and making some sort of plan. It's so hard to put together the last decade of decisions by the Jets and fine like a through line of a strategy or some belief like they had a bad season they gave up on it midway through and then somehow held every coach but the head coach accountable for a season that they obviously gave up on. Like, I don't know what's happening in that building, so it's hard for me to project, but I know it's ugly. And if I was a fan, I mean, I guess they probably lost Hope a long time ago.

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Speaker 8: Pretty pissed.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland needs a coach, Vegas needs a coach, Arizona needs a coach. Yeah, you want to fill those voyage? Is somebody coaching in the Super Bowl who might get one or two of those jobs?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it feels like all of those jobs, right, That's the only way that it feels like.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 7: Otherwise they've been getting rejected by people that they want, right, and that makes it look even worse. These jobs are few and far between. For people not to take that opportunity is surprising to me. And we saw Mike mc Mike mcdiant, no McDaniel, Yeah, McDaniel from Miami. We saw him go to the Chargers, which like that opportunity to seem great. But my assumption is he could have gotten one of these other jobs, and maybe he didn't want it, but given how he dresses, I feel like he's going Miami to La next. At some point, man gotta go to Vegas, right Like, I feel like there's only other place that Miami, La Vegas, only other place that he can go.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody want the Browns job? I mean it feels like they, you know, they might just say to Jim Schwartz, we're gonna hire you because we don't want to be rejected anymore.

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Speaker 7: That's a bad way to go about hiring a coach, but it might turn It might work out. He's a guy with experience in that team, obviously respects the defense has been great all the way through, but you can expect if they take him off of the defense and make him a head coach, is possible the defense could make take a step back. The thing about the Browns job is on paper when you look at the way like I one of the reasons why I think the Ravens job is attractive because you have a front office that you know consistently will give you quality talent. The Browns have done a pretty good job of building up this roster. I think you can point to the major decision, which was an ownership decision to bring in Deshaun Watson as a terrible one. But like other than that, they've done above average in their drafts and decision making, so it's not that bad of a job. The organization isn't as poorly run as the results seem to suggest from what I understand. But it's still the Browns and there's still the benefit of having a low bar, but also the challenge of there's really no culture to speak of, and people will turn on you immediately because they assume that it's the same old Browns. There's no like faith in the same way that you would have with the Steelers. No one has that for the Browns.

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Speaker 2: What about Arizona, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: That one is another situation where the complaint that I've heard from candidates about the Arizona situation is commitment from the ownership. And that's always a big question, is what the ownership is going to do for an organization or it's going to do for a coach to support them, And that's something it's been hanging over that organization. So someone will take that job. There there are some jobs that aren't A level jobs, and it feels like the Bengals fall into that category. Despite the fact that they have a quarterback, and the Cardinals, one of the oldest franchises in football, also feel like one of those organizations that doesn't feel.

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Speaker 8: Like an A level job.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering about this and may be crazy and off topic here, but say Matthew Stafford decides she's going to retire the Rams. You got two first round picks. Do you reach out to the Bengals?

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Speaker 8: What do you think?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, reach out to the Bengals and and offer those picks for their quarterback. Yeah, it's gonna take more than that.

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Speaker 2: That's the starter. That's the starter.

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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, you can throw it at them, but I'm hanging up the phone. If the Angles and you reach out for Joe Burrow for that, like I think, for Joe Burrow to move, it's going to require him to force his way out, which is not a very un football it's a very NBA style behavior. You rarely see football players force their way out, especially quarterbacks. But I can't imagine that there's enough compensation where it would not be received the way that Luca Daunton's.

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Speaker 2: Trade was received.

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Speaker 7: If anyone moves on from their top level quarterback who's still in their prime when quarterbacks are playing for twenty years. I know Burrow's been injured a lot, but moving on from your quarterback, you will lose everybody because you are then acquiring a bunch of draft picks in hopes that you can find someone nearly as good as Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: But you get him on a rookie deal that it felt like there was a disconnect between him and front office not happy. So I don't know, I just throw it at It's the dream.

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Speaker 7: It's the dream like herschel Walker trade situation where you can find you can set yourself up for a dynasty if you move on from a super talented player at the right time.

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Speaker 2: Like I get the idea, but it better work, Dominic, thank you for joining.

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Speaker 8: Us, No problem, precid you Dan.

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Speaker 2: Here's a tweet from Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer Jimmy Johnson, I would like to know the names of those bleepholes who did not vote for Bill Belichick. They are too cowardly to identify themselves. Goes on to say, let's see, as a Hall of Fame coach, I think Bill Belichick is the greatest of all time. Yes, he had a great quarterback, but we all did. He won after the salary cap and free agency. Plus I know how much he loves the NFL and the game. I am pode bringing South Pallantonio, Hall of Fame voter, ESPN National correspondent. How did we get to this point?

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Speaker 5: Sal Pretty shocking, Dad, Pretty shocking. I think it's a matter of procedure, as it is a matter of the voter's decisions, you know, by the by laws of the Hall of Fame. I can't talk to you about the process. I can just tell you what I did and what I considered. I voted for Bill Belichick as a first ballot Hall of Famer. I supported him as a first ballot Hall of Famer. Of course, you know, when you're in this process, you do your due diligence for all of the candidates, because hey, that's your job, and b this is their legacy and you want to make sure you get it right. So I take it really seriously, and of course I considered spygate. I considered whether he was going to come back into the NFL. I considered whether it was more Brady than Belichick. All of those things went into my thinking. But in the end, Dan I decided that his credentials and his accomplishments outweighed all of those things, making him a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now, the procedure part is a little idiosyncratic because we had two votes. The first one was we had three seniors Else Greenwood, Roger Craig, and Ken Anderson. They were the finalists, and then Bob Kraft is the contributor, and then Bill Belichick, and we were asked to vote for three of the five. And in the end, according to the reporting, I'm not going to give away what I know about the vote. I don't really know much about the class. We're not told supposed to come out at the honor ceremony next Thursday. Belichick didn't get the required votes. Whether that was members of the committee saying, you know what, I'm going to vote for my guy or for somebody else, because I know Belichick's going to get the required votes. I'm not going to waste my vote on Bill Belichick. And you know I hope that's not what people were thinking. I don't know, but you have to ask somebody who voted who didn't vote for him, because I voted for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if anybody's going to make that public.

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Speaker 5: No, probably not.

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Speaker 2: Should we make it public?

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Speaker 5: We should make everything public. We live it. Then they have cameras in the courtroom. You have cameras everywhere, and I think you know, some people say, well, that will chill the debate. No, I think that will concentrate and focus the debate in the room. Do you have cameras in the room and bo, by the way, sell it what I've always said. I mean, come on, you could have a spot. Who wouldn't watch the Hall of Fame debate?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what I've said for years. Put it on NFL network.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have it started ten in the morning and go to six at night and it's like seean c SPAN's not very exciting, but there are moments that it is, and they're voting on some really serious stuff. I would love to have a little more transparency, and I would hope that those who didn't vote for Bill can at least explain why you didn't and if you say Spygate, I'm fine with that. If you say that to flate Gate, I'm fine with that. But I don't think you can look at Bill's resume and say he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer unless you're factoring in something that we don't know. And I was told the same thing you were, and that is is Bill coming back to the NFL. Don't want to have somebody in the Hall of Fame who's still an active coach. And whether that's true or not, but I'm just kind of surprised. Then Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson calling those who didn't vote for Bill cowards. Yeah, pretty hard.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's tone down the rhetoric there. I don't think that that's the case. I think it's important. Let's look at the philosophy of what you just laid out. You and I are in agreement. I believe in the First Amendment. I believe in the Sunshine Law in Florida, all public records, public cameras in the courtroom. We want to hold public officials accountable, certainly don't want to hold Hall of famers accountable. And the best way to do that, Hey, now you've got to put a suit and a tie on, and you're in the meeting and you have to make your case. And I wouldn't. I would say it's not like c SPAN because I've been in that room. It's more like Prime Minister's question Time. If you've ever seen that. You make your case and then people shout a moment and scream again. You know, they come right back at you, my right, honorable friend. And although I love watching Prime Ministers Question Time because it's a lot of fun and it's interesting to be but that's philosophically and procedurally. But I'm a big believer Dan in doing what it takes to put people in the Hall of Fame, not keep them out. So I think that we should have a coach every year, separate category up or down. Because you got Belichick waiting, Coughlin waiting, Shanahan waiting, Homegun waiting, Andy Reid is going to be in the queue. That's five guys. Bob Kraft has waited way, way, way too long. I was his presenter for three years and talk about debate h and Bob Kraft's waited too long. Adam Vinitari and other special teams guys should get in maybe once every three years or five years. How about Sean Landetta has been on two two All decade teams, Vinetary, Steve Tasker. These guys should be in. The assistant coaches Tom Moore, Manti Kiffin, Ben Uh, I'm thinking of the old Eagles defensive coordinator Carson Jim Johnson only got of course an excuse me, thank again. All these guys should have a chance to go into the Hall of Fame. Maybe it's a separate wing, separate category, but I'm for putting guys in, not keeping them out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's this backlog now because these other coaches now they get pushed back another year. I don't know if Ken Anderson or Elsie Green, would Roger Craig get him? And you know, somebody voted told me this morning, we have to go back to what it was, you know a couple of years ago. If you get down to five, sal five should go in, not get down to five, and then we're going to vote for three to go in, and you got to get eighty percent. I don't just feels like there are guys. If I say Luke Keekley Hall of Famer, you go yes, correct. Adam Viniti Hall of Famer yes, it's we get caught up in procedural instead of what the goal is is to celebrate the game with guys. We know our Hall of famers. Gerald's going to get in probably his first ballot. That means Tory Holt and Reggie Wayne are not going to get in. But this backlog is what concerns me as we move forward. And I agree with you. If you want to have a coaching category and you want to have just players and then you have a contributor, that's fine. But you know, I thought it was just a bad day for the Hall of Fame yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know it's it's great when Bill Belichick can lead to Refort.

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Speaker 2: Did he have a good day yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick? Yeah, Well, I mean, you know, I'm sure that he did personally, but you know, I'm talking about national It's a reminder his legacy is not tarnished, okay by this. And here's what I would like people to understand. The Hall of Fame is not tarnished by this. Bill Belichick's legacy, he's not tarnished by this. Whoever gets in this year should not be tarnished by the fact that Bill Belichick did not get in. Those are all mutually exclusive things. I think that it can lead to change and that will be good for sure. But you know, it's it's it's gonna be okay, Dan, We're gonna we're gonna figure this out.

00:31:21
Speaker 2: South pal Antonio, ESPN National correspondent. He was in Denver covering the AFC title game. Sean Payton firing a few coaches there, and I don't know if he's budging too much on going forward on fourth and one. I think he said, I'd still go for it, but I would change the play.

00:31:43
Speaker 5: Listen, he should have gone. He should have kicked the field goal. Even you know a lot of the metrics say he should have kicked the field goal. If you could have seen me in the press box when he lined up the go for it on fourth and one, you you wouldn't want to be sitting next to me. I mean, I was like banging the table. You gotta be kidding me. Take the points. A. You gotta take the points in the first quarter in the championship game. B. If you have a backup quarterback, you're playing. Points are at a premium. See, everybody in the world knew about the forecast. I was talking about it on countdown at eleven o'clock in the morning. Major snowstorm coming in is gonna change the dynamics of the game. Points are gonna be at a premium. It's got to kick the field goal, but that should not take anything away from New England. So I'm really impressed with New England's front four, front seven. Zach Kerr, the guy calling the plays, the inside linebackers coach who I call Baby Vrabel, was an intern at Ohio State, went with Mike to Tennessee. He outsmarted Sean Payton on that play. You saw what he did. That dynamics six man front played zone behind it, boy oh boy. And he's got Milton Williams who played in Philly in that defense a year ago that blew up Patrick Mahomes. Don't count out that Patriots defense. Over overlooked and underrated. They come after the quarterback with relentless energy and they I know everybody's talking about, well, you can't leave Gonzalez or Carlton Davis alone with these receivers. Well the Eagles did that last year. So I'm just saying, don't sleep on that Pats defense at all.

00:33:36
Speaker 2: The Browns have hired Todd Munkin as their new head coach. So you know what that means, Dan, somebody had to take the job.

00:33:44
Speaker 5: That means the outfensive coordinator job is open in Philly, the Jets and the Giants. That means I'm firing up the easy Pass, Dan, I'm getting on the turnpike an exit force. I mean, then I'm gonna make a left at seven eight, go over to Madison to the Jets at Florham Park. Then I can go up. I mean, I'm going to be in the Easy Pass Hall of Fame.

00:34:07
Speaker 2: Dan, What are the Jets doing, by the way they fired all their coaches?

00:34:17
Speaker 5: Yeah? Uh, then we could spend the whole segment on the Jets. We could probably spend a whole week on the Jets. And I don't think and I try not to be facetious, because this is These are men's lives and families lives, and it's hard where these guys have to move on and move their children into a new school. It's very difficult. But they got it. They gotta somehow get it figured out, because I mean, Aaron Glenn really does he have one more year to figure it out?

00:34:47
Speaker 2: Dan?

00:34:48
Speaker 5: Probably probably one more year maybe, but it's not his fault because they didn't give him a quarterback. And you it's the same way with Tom. And why did my Tom Will walk away in Pittsburgh? Well, look at the quarterbacks he had to work with since pen Roethlisberg a retired. Look at Cleveland. The front office and the ownership made so many mistakes with the quarterback position. And you have a revolving door at the coaching's death, and who wants to go work there? So you look at all these situations, and I'm a big believer in two things. When you hire a head coach, One is he a culture changer? And two kenny coach the quarterback or does he have somebody who can do that? Those are the two main ingredients. So you look at Sean Payton. You got two for one with Sean Payton. He could do both jobs. He certainly changed the culture and he coaches the quarterback and did a remarkable job. You look at on the other side in the AFC Championship game, Mike Rabel culture changer, but he hired the right guy to handle the quarterback in Josh McDaniels. I love to watch McDaniel's coach. He greets the quarterback. When he comes off the field at the sideline, they sit next to one another on the bench, him and Drake May. They look at the tablet. This is what went right, this is what went wrong, this is what you gotta do next. And his design is complex enough but also simple enough for a young quarterback to execute and to foil pretty much any defense you come against. And by the way, how about Drake May ran for six of the Patriots twelve first downs in that game.

00:36:38
Speaker 2: He better be their leading rusher in the Super Bowl because there's yards out there. He could have gotten yards against Denver. I thought, I thought that he could have taken advantage of that. He could have been Josh Allen like or maybe light against Denver.

00:36:54
Speaker 5: Is that the Dan Patrick special prop bet of the week right there?

00:37:01
Speaker 2: Well, I don't gamble, but I don't, but I would I would be curious what is over under rushing total is because I there were yards out there to get and it just felt like, you know, they kept just forcing you know, a running play up the middle and not gaining much. Or even when he went back to pass, I just thought he could have you know, taken off and run. I'd like to see a little bit more and against that Seattle defense probably gonna have to do that.

00:37:30
Speaker 5: I got a guy in South Philly for you, do you gamble at all? Zero plus? It's against Disney policy, but we're allowed to talk about gambling content. That's the church and state of it. You know. We can talk about gambling content, but I don't gamble. I like to take all my money, Dan and give it to my grandchildren. That's all I do.

00:37:54
Speaker 2: Well. I like that you're the poster child for not gambling at the Mothership, but you're probably in the minority. Just just letting you know.

00:38:05
Speaker 5: How I stay there.

00:38:06
Speaker 2: Thank you so South Calantonio.