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Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy our listeners. We are here in studio for a very excited episode. We are here live with Mentell all and first and foremost, we were talking to some of new favorite guys, and well, speaking of favorite guys, we actually are starting with Nate here on Happy Hour. We saw a lot go down tonight, so I want to get into all of it because a lot of the viewers won't see everything. So we want to get like the behind the scenes, the tea, like how you were feeling in the moment of the hot sea seeing Gabby again. So let's get into it first and foremost. I feel like we have to start off Happy Hour right with h Chios. So welcome Nate, Well, welcome Michelle. Feels good to see in person again. Well, I feel good. Just got out of the Vince tell All is good seeing the guys again, good seeing the girls, and it's just refreshing to be around familiar faces and people who you went through so much with. So I feel really good. Right. Well, yeah, this is the first time that you guys have all been reunited, well not all, because obviously Chris and Hayden did not show up. Most the first time you guys are all in the same room again, Like what was that vibe? Like that vibe was just a positive energy, was one of just like accomplishment when you know, we all tried to find love. It didn't happen, but we found friendship and memories and experiences that we did grow from. And we're going to continue to be the people that you saw us as and maybe continue on with the fascination if it so leads us down that path. Oh yeah, you're stuck with us. I'm sorry, whether or not this world. That's so interesting though, that you say that, just because I think people who go into mental or even women tal all, it's not always like a positive vibe. You know. There's a lot of drama that sometimes unfools, right, like drama between the contestants, some that tends or a lot a lot all the ways too much, right, But it's but to like go into it and have that sense of accomplishment afterwards, it's not necessarily a normal thing. Do you feel like you were able to say everything that you wanted to? Yeah, I definitely felt like I had the platform to speak from my heart and to address the issues that happened in the house that people may not have known, you know, just like saying like I wasn't a part of the first Crisp part and that, you know, I had a reaction to Hayden, and I didn't really get to address it on the ship, but I talked to him, you know, onside conversations about how that wasn't really correct, and then it being able to address it to the crowd it felt freeing. And then as well as being able to reminisce with Gabby over our time and let her know that I supported a decision even though it hurt, like I still valued our relationship and I grew from it. So that was very free and it was I was glad that I got to do that tonight. I feel like you can finally breathe easy a little bit now that this is behind you. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like the consensus for people coming in, like you said, whether it's meant to all or women to all, is they dread it. They don't want to do it because you never know what's gonna like be brought up again and what you have to rehash. But I feel like every time, especially last Women until All, we did this in person, and we were cycling contestants through and the consensus was that they were like, we're so happy we did it. We're so happy it's over. But now we can just like put this behind us and move on with our life and like go on to the next chapter. Yeah, it's like closure with an X. Like you may not like it all the time, but it needs to be done so you can move forward with your life. And that was a bit step in the right direction for I think all of us. One thing I wanted to ask you is because you had the hot seat, which obviously we could well not we I wasn't there, but you could talk about everything from night one to your relationship with Gabby and then fast forward to Gabby and Rachel are sitting in front of you at the end of the night. And one thing that I found very powerful and moving in that conversation where they addressed you actually and like the social media everything that's been going on, they said that they got to know you for you right and they can speak to how kind of a person you are, how respectful of a person you are. And I felt like that was a very special moment because they actually know you for who you are, which I think is so important. People forget as they're watching TV show that it is behind the screen and it's edited, and you know, everyone has like their thoughts on somebody until they get to know them. So how in that moment when they're kind of coming about for you, how did that feel? It meant a lot for me. You know, I'm not going to say that I was perfect. You know, I made a lot of mistakes in my past, but I have grown from that and I just wanted it to shine through with my character and what I've been doing moving forward. And I'm glad that they were able to see me for who I was during the show and who I'm going to continue to try to be. You know, anybody can point at you know, everybody can point at a pass where it did something stupid to me, not have acted in the right character that they should have been. But I've since moved from you know, that behavior, and I'm glad that they were able to recognize it. Yeah, I think that was important. We've all done stupid stuff. We've all said stupid stuff knowing said anything perfectly. But I think who we saw on the screen and who they can attest to, and even the men that lived with you, who they can attest to your character. I think is should speak volumes over anything else. I'm just so consistent, you know. I think that's a hard part that people forget about, is the fact that as this is, you know, rerunning, as everybody's watching, as you're watching, you might think that you have a piece of closure, and then something else pops up or the you know, the audience's reactions pop up. Do you feel like, with everything that has happened, are you able to you know, be able to take those steps forward and kind of let let that go off your chest with hearing how Gabby you know truly does believe who you are in your character. Yeah, it's always good to be validated by the people around you have seen the change in you, you know, it's you know, I've forgiven myself for a lot of my past behaviors. I feel like I hope that people who have known me in the past can do the same. And then I just want to make sure that the people who are close to me continue to place me in check if I do fall out online and getting the people in you know, having the right circle around you does really mold who you are, and I feel like I do have that, and so I'm glad that you know everything went well. I didn't do anything out of the character that I wanted to be, and I'm still growing into the man that i want to be. So I do want to ask you because I mean, I've watched the show for a while, I've done a few seasons. I've had my heartbroken on it. We all have seen breakups. Yeah, yours and Gabby's actually moved me to slight tears. I will say that, which doesn't happen very often, but watching that moment between you two was something so raw and like you could see Gabby's real emotion, like with that struggle of like he is such an incredible man. I'm just not there yet, like not ready to be a mom or a stepmoman. That's just so much to take on. Oh my gosh, I don't ever know where to begin, like rewatching it back, because that's the first time. I mean, you obviously lived it, but that's the first time watching it. Do you feel like now kind of have the closure after seeing it all unfold and watching it back and being able to speak with her. No. Absolutely, I think that was absolutely one of the hardest breakups I've had to go through. Because it wasn't anything with our connection. It was just you know, life circumstances and to understand that and be mature enough to be able to step back and say, Okay, you're not there right now. I still appreciate this for what it was, and I still you know, have a deep amount of respect and admiration for you. It was. It was special for me to see it and just to know that she went through a lot going through that relationship that she may not have thought that she would have had to face during this journey. So I'm just glad that I got to be a part of that aspect in her life to see, you know, see what she would face if she had to date a guy with the child and know that, you know, she can have a real connection even though she may not be there, but she did make the right choices. And I applaud her for not you know, just going through the motions and met on challenge and causing in that way. So it was it was really meaningful for me as well, because our entire relationship was beautiful to me and it still is and I and I love the growth that I had going through that. Yeah, it flows through the screen. It was not a dry eye. Oh no, no, it was so quiet as we were watching. All right, but I can take it away for a really long time. This is the number one thing that I had in my notes here. I love your suit. I feel like it's not very often that we see a good green Describe the fit for all of our listeners. Oh my gosh, so I have a peak lapel green suit. It's almost like a tweet, but not quite. It's like a yeah, and explain here. Someone someone asked if this is an earring. No, it's like a right, it's so it's it's dedicated for a lapel pin, but it's this. It's shaped as an earring, but it's a pearl to accident, you know, the pearl necklace that I well, we don't talk about pearl Mexas here. Okay, yeah, okay, but I just have to say we leave this. We named your suit the Martini suit because it's like a jury mart not dirty, but like an olive Martini like that, and we love olives and Martini's. So yeah, we love the suit. And you can bring the pearls back in in a classier way, so we're good, straight, dad. It looks wonderful. You did great, you were awesome. You're doing great, sweetie, thank you, thank you. Here we go. I feel like we don't even need an intro for this one. We have one of the women of our please. I wasting no time, how to say, I feel like a slop kebab over here. Gabby is in her diamond encrusted dress with her diamond laser on. My pants are unbuttoned, same here dress. Yeah, okay, we're wasting time. Were enough people all? So we need more undressing? Yeah? Actually, speaking of your dress, to tell us about it, I'm obsessed. I don't know anything about it. It's lovely racket. The lizard liquor. Well, at one point I saw only half the lizard and I was like, I think she has an animal on her dress. Feel like, I think it's a crocodile. It's a dragon, a lizard, a crocodile, whatever style. I'm also cold blooded girl. I feel like we're gonna get along real well. Yeah, the color of my dress is my soul. Thank you very much. Tonight. Yeah, coming into tonight, mente, all, you weren't sure what kind of questions or things we're gonna be coming your direction? If you're gonna be met with heat if you were going to be met with you know, just there's a lot of times when people come into it with closure. How are you feeling walking in tonight? I felt good walking into tonight. Honestly, I felt like I got a lot of closure on the show and while we were filming, and I always try to be open and honest with the guys in the moment, so they really got to know the full me. So I feel like I walked away kind of with no regrets. M Mario thought differently. I think, well, we don't need to bring up old moons here. Well. So actually, speaking of Mario and all of your exes, it's not every day that you walk into a room with thirty of your exes. No one likes me, need one, Let's be honest. So what was that like? Like where was your mindset walking in of like seeing these guys and is there anything that you really wanted to say to any of them? Not really? I mean I honestly felt like we were treated with so much respect besides the Jacob and Hayden's of it all. But Jacob, I think had a really heartfelt apology and all I wanted to hear is that he did learn and grow from what he had said to us by watching it back. So when he said that, I was like, there's nothing else that I can really give. That meant the world. So I was excited. All the guys looked so good. Damn I did that night? Yeah, had do you have any idea that Hayden was not going to be here? I did? Was I supposed to do? I don't know. I don't know what of What were your thoughts and what were your thoughts when you found out he was not going to be here? I chose not to it, Honestly, wasn't that surprising? Truthfully? I think he was getting a lot of heat online and stuff, rightfully, so, so I think he could have taken the high road, came to apologize and see what he had to have said. But I think he would have gotten ripped apart by the men, probably by me. So maybe he was just trying to probably by us also. Yeah, so if he was trying to protect himself, and that's what he needs. But hopefully he can learn and grow from the situation too. Ye. What was your highlight of the entire night so far? I think you're seeing Nate especially with the last episode that aired. I can't believe that was the last time we truly saw each other, and he did and does mean so much to me, So being able to have one last conversation that was really heartfelt and just I think we picked up right where we left off, and we both have such a mute respect for each other, so not that I expected anything different, but it was really good to have that again, and that respect was definitely shown because you did, you know the statement of I do know unate, you know, after he kind of really spoke about everything that was going on, the different things that have come out online as this is unfolding, and for you to have so much confidence in him and show him that what are your thoughts or what were your just reactions and intentions as those things were starting to come not even come to light because again rumors, but that's a part of this. How did you feel when all that was just kind of erupting? I think because I do know him so well and he was such a big presence in my journey and in the house. I know all the boys love him. He was always teaching them how to treat women and how to have integrity and kind of do this the right way that when I heard about that stuff, it didn't even shake me. I didn't think twice I was like, I can't believe he's going through this. I can't believe that people are taking their precious time to take someone else down and you know, um kind of ruining an opportunity for them and living in this very positive light that they've built for themselves. And not to mention it's his decision when he chooses, and if he chooses to share that he has a child. I didn't ever. I mean, he was always upfront with me. We had a really good conversation about it, and it I always brought her into conversation and we are all talked about it. But that's not that's on his decision. That's not up to me. So I'll take, of course, what's given to me. But I think everyone has seen watching back how good of a guy he really is, and I don't think that should shake it. I don't think that should change anyone's mind. Yeah, so my last question for you, Gabby hits Mecca. You know in the face. You know we saw meeop all slowly undressed. We saw him for that lovely Marion Haarrosaus all about his body. Did you like I loved it? I was like, I want somebody to do this to me too, Really, that's what I love. Sauce. Yes, yeah, yeah, something and then the dame. But my question was do you feel like there was ever a decision that should have been made? Okay, let me let me ask to keep ba for yes. Yes, do you feel like you and Rachel may have made a mistake and you should have kept him till the very end, till the very end for both of you. Yeah, I don't believe you. I would be the same. He's the one who got away me Ball is the walls that got away. Gabby, you are always so much fun to have. You truly are one of a kind. I love it. Hoofiness, classiness, wear your heart in your sleeve. It's been awesome and thank you for joining us today. Next up, Mario is here the first impression Rosemanner himself. You were just saying you wanted to introduce yourself. Here you go, take it away. I got the first impression. Rose. How are you feeling after everything tonight? I'm feeling I'm feeling okay. I just I'm very like I'll be honest, I think that, you know, for me, the big question was like, hey, you got the first impression rose from Gabby. You did not get a one on one. It's not about that, but I felt like we didn't even get a chance to build toward that this season, right, And so m I spoke with her and I got closure, but I felt like, you know, it was more of like a I agree to disagree type thing, and you know, with them being the two leads in the setting, like that you want to be careful about and I was very I felt like I was respectful with the way that I spoke with her about, you know, why we didn't really connect the way that we did and why we weren't able to continue to build or capitalize on our first night. But I felt like she gave me a response that I understood. But I still feel like that, you know, based on the season and the rejecting of Roses, that when that when the Roses came out the third episode that I was with Gabby, you know, and I just wish I would have got a chance to build on top of that. And so her reasoning was, you know, essentially, hey, the guys that were with me, they were about me from day one, and I was like, whoa, so was I. But you know, I'm not gonna hit the gas on that too much. So yeah, what kind of okay? So you said that you were the situation that happened. Can't go back and change it, unfortunately, But is there something that you would have liked to hear from Gabby that you didn't hear tonight? I think that part of me wishes that she would have been like, you know what, You're right in a sense, you know, because I felt like when I was watching this season back, I was waiting for them to show kind of a moment where Gabby and I didn't connect, but all you saw was like the first impression I had kind of a playful interaction with Rachel the second episode, where you know, I took her through a workout and I was squatting with her, But there was no like moment where it was like, oh and this is Mario, this is why him and Gabby didn't work out, And so part of me was like, man, you know, and talking to friends and family, they're like, where did you go? Like you got their first rows? What actually happened? And I'm like, I don't know, but I'm going to find out tonight, right, And so she gave me a response that I felt like was was fair and something that I get where she's coming from. You know, the other guys made her a priority, but I felt like, man, all I did was have a conversation with Rachel and kind of have a playful interaction. It was week two, and so that's kind of what I'm getting out a little bit. Do you feel like it's okay? So I do hear you on what you're saying. And so you said that you when you're speaking or when you're watching the show, you're waiting for like this moment where you see you guys have like a miscommunication or disconnected correct, And you said you feel like you didn't see it first Tory line. Okay, So are you saying that you wish you had more time based off of your actual reality interaction with her, because it seemed like you guys are on the same page, right, or of more of your story shown, of seeing that connection and that connection to continue to play out on the screen. Does that make sense? Yeah, the second one, more of our connection shown to continue to show, Like she kind of alluded to Rachel today she didn't say her name, but she was like, you know, we were like trying to figure out which side you were on, and so I was like, well, when the roses came out, I was for you. And I know I've said this a lot, but like we saw a lot of rejecting, a lot of people pivoting essentially, and so I never did that. And I think I just wish and show time that there could have been more of like a story because we did have a connection. I just didn't see it really grow. And that's okay because Gabby doesn't own me anything. I just wish that like I got some sort of closure, and I did tonight, but I mean even like from her in a show. Well, so I want to ask this on the flip side then, because other relationships that she had with other men obviously were growing and our girl rowing, and so did watching those other relationships because you obviously weren't privy to like personal intimate conversations, did that kind of give you a glimpse of like, oh, now I understand why she made certain decisions or let me go when she did. As you see like those other relationships growing and getting stronger, and she's like starting to fall for other people. Yeah, I mean over time you begin to see her grow with others and didn't give me clarity a little, but you know, getting that rose. You still like historically when you look at the show, you know, and I'm not saying you gotta fallow said history, but you know you just feel like where did we go wrong? You know? And I think the big thing for me was like Logan, you know, when he made that jump, he was the reason that I went home, and so I think that that was my point today. It was like, hey, you know this guy jumped in like a we can have before hometowns and you sent me home. But I've been here since day one when you think about when you handed out the roses. So I was feeling like the largest cast ever thirty two men you noticed me night one? Um, you know, where's my t Yeah, where's where's my time? Respectfully? Well, speaking of time shown, we saw the first kiss with Gappy we which because no, no, no, because it was a very awkwardly long kiss. Okay, so when I happens first, No, this is about no. This is Mario, Mario. We are the host here here, Okay, we have one question. We have one question or maybe I do OK when you were younger, you know when you're you know when you're okay? Do you know when you know? When you're young, you've seen seen the movies, but like you know, you you start to have feelings you practice like kissing a teddy bear or a pillow or you're a kid, or maybe like an orange. Have you ever done that? Uh? No, you never? You need to are y'all? It seems embarrassing. It seems embarrassing, but we've all done it. Honestly, we've all done I think like I can remember what's funny because like I just had an awkward kiss at the age of thirty one. But I was like gonna say I can remember my first like awkward kiss with someone or my first kiss, I should say, But now I'm thinking I was, like that was really good too, So like was it or was that your first kiss you just saw? I'm just replaying this and like you felt so awkward the moment were you like picked up her and kissed her hand. I was like, oh, he's nervous right now. Honestly, like I think when I picked up her hand, it was just like you know, I'll just back up in real time and in real time when I when I saw it, I was looking at like my body was just sing my leg was up. She was there. I'm gonna be transparent with y'all. I wasn't going for like full makeout. I think your hand was actually like your own hands were on your leg, not hers. I was like going were like the soft gentle and then ease into kind of a gradual kid being respectful and no, I actually love that we have you here. I just like love shooting the show with people. And when we were watching the pack, I was like, this is what we have to ask for the record. I am a good kisser. Gabby and I had an awkward kiss. We shared many kisses, but you guys caught the first one. It's okay, though, because I still got the rose and she said I was a good kisser. I am be glad of line. We could talk about practicing kisses for far too long, but actions better back it up in the future. Mario, thank you for joining us. I'm glad we've heard it from you here first. Yes, thank you. You smell great, looks a little less great, but that's only I'm a great No, I'm just I'm looking at these flecks of marinara sauce like dangling from your chin hair. So I no, I've noticed smelt too like guys like Costa. Yeah, we love this a little bit. I'm just gonna stand and it is gonna that is strong. Okay, Meatball, allright, we gotta get into this. We have the number one question. Okay, what made you want to tack tackle Billy Eichner? And how do you think he felt about it? And do you regret it? Okay? I was just going in for the hug and there was meatball sauce on the floor and I slipped and we went down down that that's how it happened. I did offer him and tied to go pen and he declined, yes, he's gotta get on a flight. You probably need one too many. How many washes, how many shampoo conditions, rinse and repeats are you gonna to do to get out of your hair? It's in your eyebrows, It is in your in your eyebrows. You're gonna be finding sauce for shirt. Okay, So overall, was it worth it? It was? How did you feel about getting basically naked once again on national television stop the first time? That happened, and I love. I was like, as long as he keeps the socks on, please keep the socks on, sir, you want me to keep the socks on. Yes, socks and sauce, baby, I have to say. So, we were in the press room watching it all live, and in the press room people are cheering and usually it's dead ass quiet. People are chanting your name, they are clappy. They are cheering for you as you take your jacket off, and though all of the guys are helping you. Yeah, I was stripping down teamwork. I stripped down in my boxer, was taking all my clothes off. He was he was not only that. I was like, they were very fast at it, truly were good at that. I don't even know where I was going with that question, but I just wanted to. I wanted to set the scene for you in the press. But then the crowd was like really into that. Everyone was channing Meatball. I'm going to go to bed with hearing this in my mind. I mean, this is not the last time he does this. But okay, so every time he speaks, every time he speaks, I promise I'm normally really gonna eye contact. But Okay, okay, so beset the record straight. Yeah, that tackle was not scripted. That was not planned. No not. Do you think any of it was scripted? I hope not. I hope it's not coming from my ass. Okay, we do have to ask a couple of serious questions. We can't just talk about sass me balls. As much as I love food, don't get me wrong. Um Okay, Roby came at you guns a blazing tonight. How was that? I don't know, I'm asking me. It was coming after me violent. Why is the dyed hair? I didn't know who it was at first. I was like, Oh, they brought in somebody. I don't mind it. You know, it's more about what's inside that counts, you know. Okay, Yeah, why are we worried about hair? This man was eating nails? Yeah yeah, but okay, I get so I gonna track to the question. He did come up to you, well, not up to you, but he called you out and basically said to man up about rejecting Rachel's rose. What was going through your mind in that moment, like when not even a lot of drama, but like this bit of drama around you was unfolding. Yeah, I mean, I thought I explained myself pretty well. Like early on, I was pretty confused. Um, you know, all the other guys were as well. I barely got time with both of them, and when I did get time, it was it was like the dinner thing meat balls. Yeah, and so I didn't know which way to lean um so, and then the cocktail party got canceled, so we went right in the rose ceremony. And then they were intentional the roles they were handed out. So when Rachel'll call my name, I wasn't expected I respecting a rose from Gabby like I thought. If I was gonna rose, it was from Gabby, and I kind of freaked out in the moment. I denied it and immediately regretted it. And I got to go back and I have a great conversation with her and tell her how I was feeling, and she gave me a shot, and um, I really appreciate that and me lasted no offense, but longer than expected. Yeah, I was still weak five Yeah, and then she called her she called me her savior tonight. Did you hear that? Yeah? I think I was too busy by the Wow, that's a big deal. Okay, say savior. I'll take it on that note. I feel like we could talk to you forever. I do actually want to talk about meatballs at some point. I don't think the podcast is the time, were the place for that. Well, you guys have a great, great podcast, but thank you. Yeah, it's great. Hopefull saying that because people get nervous when they come on the podcast. Now all the guys talk back behind us and they're like, they get nervous with us, So no as they should. Damn right though, right right, yeah, you guys zoom. This is very we only when people put my Anair sauce on their bodies. That's why we call you in um. I would love to do it again live like only if you are dressing the same unpit well our sauce. You sare has been fun for having me, Well we have a familiar face here with us. Well, it's good to see you again. It's good to be here. I promote your guys' podcast on my podcast. And so do you have to do the ads for us? Yeah? Okay, I don't have to. I do it because I love you guys, and you pay me to do it, which is also helps. That was only twenty dollars in wine, in wine and hugs. Yeah, okay. When I first saw you tonight, I told you you had this great glow. Yeah. I'm assuming it's still from Paradise, right, I think so that my my tan is lasted. It's been I've been back for like I guess, like a month. But yeah, it's uh when you live in Mexico for a month. I said, like, it's like a terrible thing. You don't even know. I just sat on the beach, Nacho. You do deal with a lot of I do, and a lot of UV rays and so that that's when my skin is this beautiful chestnut cutter. Um. So, no, no glowing spray tan before the wedding. No, no, maybe I don't know. Wellesy with a little spray tan action, I don't know they'll problem with spray tans. I feel like you smell weird. You do, oh yeah, but only for twenty four hours, and your palms look weird and you don't want it when you get in bed, you don't. I mean, I haven't gotten a spray tan, but you see, I do, I do and everything, and you know, on the wedding day, like your hands are very present. Yeah, Okay, maybe do it a couple days before, but I want to ask you, speaking of the Paradise flow, we saw well some of the cast members that were in Paradise this year, and then the teaser, Yeah, what can you tell us about Paradise without giving too much away of like what we can all expect. Well, I mean, because Paradise is such a popular show in VAT Nation, but also for ABC, they asked for more episodes, so you know, the what is what is it? Um? The mother of invention is like ingenuity, and like we had to switch things up, we had to like try some new things. So in that teaser, I think there's this like one scene where like everyone says like fuck you Jesse Palmer, which is hilarious to me, sweet guy in the world. It's like yelling at it like a puppy. But I think that's in reference to like kind of the things that we switched up this year. And from my vantage point, it was hilarious and wonderful and I loved it. I had to make a lot more like like sad bastard margharitas than I have in the past. Yeah, but uh, and I don't think the people on the beach love what was happening so much? But from Jesse and Ice perspective, it was great. And I think from like Batch Nations perspective, they're gonna love it like entertaining. It's so like the craziness that ensues from like some of the new antics that we pull, um is pretty great. And also the other thing is I think people forget how many like amazing meaningful, meaningful relationships have come out of Paradise. Um, Like you, I'm laughing because he just said antics and then he goes into meaningful relationships in the same sentence. Yeah, I can pivot, like absolutely, but truly there are things that come from it. Yeah, And like the success rate of Paradise is amazing, and a lot of people like go on this journey with us and like kind of fall in love with these relationships. And I think that will be fun this season. I think you saw like a little bit of it. It's like people from the past get to come back to Paradise and um, you know kind of relive that fun. Uh. And I think that the fans are really going to love that as well. Okay, so we'll see some familiar faces. The consensus that I got from the forecast members that were there was that it's going to be shocking. I think every time they were asked answering a question, they were like, I was shocked, it was shocking, and I was like, and then Andrew, I'm like, okay, it is hot. I do want to ask you this because I saw you last year on the Beaches of Paradise. It helped me fall in love, even though I did break up with Thomas for a hot second. I think I told you not to do that, but hey, we talked to but hey, look up, you know already married and I'm engaged. But I want to ask you overall, what has been your favorite season of Paradise. Oh that's a tough one. Um, let me help you out. Seven. Is that what season you were on? That was a good one. It was so good. I mean, like you're you fought it the entire time, which is really fun. And I remember being like, becks, like you need to stop fighting, like just enjoy it, Like, uh, that was great, Like the whole ivan saw it was kind of crazy. Wow. Yeah, okay, so that was pretty great. There was also Rebecca, but because you can't, you can't, you can was way more favorite piece. Well, my favorite piece of Paradise ever was season four Paradise, when like we shut down for like the entire season because of craziness that was ensuing. So they made me do pup a treat for like half the time. A wedding happened, right, didn't. Yeah there was a wedding there, but yeah it was Evan and Carly's wedding and I so I just like like acted out scenes with puppets, and I to this day think it was the greatest television I've ever made, and I wish they would bring that back. Maybe it'll come back this season. Okay, so wells, congratulations because you are getting married, yes, very shortly, hopefully, fingers crossed. It's all gonna go wi um. It's gonna be a dirty floral theme of all he's given me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be beautiful. I'm so happy for you and Sarah. Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna be really fun to bring all these weird people from different parts of our lives into one room and make them all be cordial with one another. Um. And then also it's a weird thing. It's really wonderful. I got to experience a little bit on the Bachelor party of people that you love so much coming to celebrate you and your love and like being champions for you. Um. It's a weird feeling as someone who kind of shies away from I don't like a whole lot of it. That sounds like he doesn't any attention. He does podcast everything. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I feel weird about that. And it is a really nice thing to have people that like you love um, and that means something do you, um, be happy for like the love that you found. And I'm really excited about that. We'll soak in that love. We're so happy for you. Everybody grab glass cheers Sarah. Well, we've had you on the podcast. We've had on the podcast a couple of times, and it's like, I feel like, yeah, this is the first time I can like smell you know what your perfu spoke. You just keep talking about smelling. I mean, such a person though, Hey we're smelling. I remember people. I'm obsessed. It's my favorite part. Um who started who? Yeah, the arn't smelling who started it. We would always like smell my art, check my teeth, do my hair, like if we were all over each other. Yeah, the whole time. So I will say, watching all the art pit smelling back as weird as it is, I looked at Michelle and I was like, I wish I had somebody to go through this journey with me, like, and it was so funny because we were talking to Wells back stag as we're watching all. He's like, no, like I wouldn't want anyone to like take my time with the guys, and like, you only have such a small handful of men to meat that you'll actually click with. And I was like, you don't get it. You haven't like been the lead, like having somebody with you. And the more I watch you and Gaby together, I think it's so special, Like I now I'm kind of having foam all. I'm like, shit, can we redo our seasons together? And we get to do like all of our press and stuff together and we just have so much fun. And I think it's so easy for people to pick us apart and be like, oh, they deserve their own season. I'm like, I wouldn't ever want one and be such a different vibe to you, Like would be so different, you know when you live in something like this that's now your experience. It's you and Gabby doing this journey together and I hate to say journey, but it is. And like, yeah, if you were to ever redo it, and not to say that you ever would, but like you wouldn't even want to never because it couldn't be what it was, you know, No, I truly wouldn't. And I really feel like the ultimate takeaway from this, even when we're going through hard times like the Logan thing, I was able to watch it back and like me and Gabby going through this together and supporting each other and having each other's backs, Like that's the ultimate takeaway. And I think it's so easy for people to take the negative, but there's so much positive. Oh man, that was anomous to be with each other and that was like the cool thing. It's such a nerve wrecking situation too. It's just like when you can actually just relax as much as you can, definitely as much as you can on the season. It really is on one hour of sleeve seventeen like Champagne, I do not miss that. Oh I'll get ate only eight hours of sleep now and I'm like, you would always nap like she'd being full makeup just snapping while they're doing my liner and everything, just like, yeah, it adds up, it does. I always wanted to do my makeup sleeping, and then she just never did because I was too anxious all the time. But I feel like it's something I have to live through. At some point. One time, I actually fell as I've never fallen asleep standing up. I fell asleep in the chair. In the chair, I'm like, oh my god, what is my life? Well, And that's the thing, like people don't realize there's like they see snippets of what you and Gabby go through, you know, for two hours every Monday night, Like there's so much that you guys are put through, like on your body, on your mind, everything. What was like the hardest part of being one of the leads and then your favorite part? Honestly, I feel like the hardest part is just having so many connections in these great group of guys. You have to me these really hard decisions so quickly, And I think it's so easy for people to look at what we do and pick our decisions apart or say we made the wrong decision. But you really just have to trust yourself through it all. And you guys know more than anything. These relationships are happening so quickly and you get so limited time, so ultimately, I think that was the hardest part, But I mean the greatest part was just I feel like we had such a great group of men who really put us first, and I really couldn't be happier with the way it all turned out good and having their group, having their group of men and coming into tonight and knowing that you'd be able to see them again all your feelings, Like I was freaking out my trailer. I was remember I'm like I almost paid my pants walking out when I came out to the Mental Life through I remember watching yours and I was like, all your men were like bowing down, and I love that, but I got our guys are just so supportive as well. I was not expecting the outpour of support consistently, and they've always been so amazing, so it was really great. It was hard to see some obviously, but amazing. Was there one person coming into tonight that you were either looking forward to seeing or you're not looking forward to seeing her interacting? Yeah, I think the person tonight that I was most nervous to see and excited was Tyler. I just watched our breakup and it was hard to live, but it's harder to watch back and you're in that moment and reliving it. And he's just such an incredible guy. And to sit down with him when we were able to have a conversation and to still have him be so amazing and so supportive. I just I feel so lucky to have known him, and I really just hope he gets all the love and happiness in the world. Maybe I'm Paradise, who knows. But he's just like, Okay, well, I know we only had one more question, but I'm gonna ask one more because I need you to tell us all about your look. It's stunning. When you walked out again, we were sitting in the press room and we're all like, she is slain, a little like nude Kardashian look through. I guess people, I think I'm more of a conservative dresser. And this season, people, have you know, been able to see that. I mean, Carrie, like, what if we do a sea through? Momm Yes, it looks so good. You look stunning, Carrie Fatman Special. I love it. You look great from the jewelry to the shoes. It's so lovely, so amazing. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you. I don't want you to leave either people. Yeah, no we will. We don't need the other guys. Keep the girls on next up, but we have Tyler. You drew some tears tonight, No, well from the audience from watching that sad goodbye It really was, though. How are you feeling after watching it all replay once again? Um? You know, watching the season back definitely got closure, like seeing where Rachel was in a relationship with the other guys and understanding why ultimately what had happened happened. And there's not a thing I would have changed, you know. I went in with it with a full heart, like ready to put my whole self out there for somebody. And I was ready for a relationship. And I met an amazing woman, had great experiences with her. Watching it ends, watching the rise in the fall of my relationship, you know, you definitely bring up like old emotions and yeah, it was. It was definitely tough, but you know, something that I was prepared for. And um, you know, like I said, there's just nothing that I would change about it. So everything worked out the way that it was supposed to. Good I want to ask you because you admitted something tonight and that's the fact that you slid into Rachel's d MS. Take us back, like, I mean the timeline here, Wait did that happen? And do you remember what you said? Yes? So what had happened? Was the only season that I watched, like every single episode was Clayton's season, and I remember so sorry. The first episode, I remember seeing Rachel guy at Lemo and I was just like this girls beautiful. Wow. Um. The next episode came on and I was drinking a lot. I was absolutely hammered, and I was just like why not just oh like episode two shots fired? Why not? And I said, Hey, things don't work out with Clayton and you ever end up as a Bacherette, sign me up because I literally I think you're literally gorgeous. Shut up? Yeah, the producers that had happened. And then a week later, I get a random call from LA and they said, hey, like, we're casting producers from the Bachelrette. Would you be interested in the show? And I'm like no, seriously, like who is this? And one of my friend's girlfriend had nominated me for the show, and I got a call like randomly out of nowhere. I had nothing to do with like Rachel pushing that message to anybody else. She didn't even know she was gonna be boucher at that point when he ended her at that point. Yeah, oh wow, okay, oh wait did she just put you on red? So I couldn't I didn't see because we weren't friends, so you can't see read or not, um, so I don't know. Well, how wow you talked about this on the show, right, Oh yeah, can you imagine the first time this comes out? I mean, this is kind of like psychopath right down now, Like when I went on, Like, you know, obviously I want to have an open mind because you know, you see somebody on a show, right and you're hoping that they're like the way that they were on the show. So I just went in going like all right, we like, we'll see how it goes. You know, obviously I think this girl's gorgeous. You know, is there a personality the exact same person that I saw? And she was everything and more and just like getting to know her even more, like getting to know like all the amazing qualities about her. It was just like wow, Like not only did I have a crush, on her report. But now my crush is like even more just because I actually got to know her and she was just everything you could ask for in somebody. I'm trying to think like if I was in your position and say I did that like something into some random person's dams, like shooting my shot, but like a far shot. The fact that that all came to fruition. Did you just feel like you were living in a dream while filming? Yeah, I walked up Limo was looking out and like I saw Gabby and Rachel. I was just like, oh no, She's like this is happening right now, and you yeah, the Limo and you just black out. You just walk up and I thank god they didn't show my entrance when I walked up. Oh yeah, it was I did the Uncut Gems thing, you know, uncut jobs, TikTok thing, so he woke up. It was the whoever the actresses from Uncut Gems with Adam Sandler, and she had like an interview where she goes, I felt like his muse and like I was his uncut jomb so at you know what, why not call both of the women Uncut Gems. Maybe they'll catch onto it. They called on. Thank god, they laugh, they laugh, they had a reference. I would have just walked right back into because I would have been like, take me home in the New Jersey. Okay, you with all the hearing all this stuff that happened with Rachel deciding into the DMS, this whole entire story, did you feel like it was fate at that point? And then you know, when your journey does come to the end. Was that really hard to accept? In process? Um, you know, going into the journey, you know the accepting part, like I you know what you're putting yourself into, Like it's not just you. You know, you don't in the real world. You don't date somebody who's dating thirty something like guys at the same time. So your chances of you ending up with you know, the Batchel right at the end of the day or slim, and like you just go into it with the mindset hopefully it's me. If it's not me, then it's not And you know, when everything had happened and ended the way that it did, like I just knew because I made such good relationships with the guys, like knowing that she ultimately was going to end up with somebody, So amazing, like, that's all you want for her at the end of the day. If it's not you, hopefully it's somebody that you know, we'll give her the respect and make her feel like the only girl like in the world and the rest of the guys. You know, I just knew that she had that, so I was okay with it. You know, I understood, you know, as things and full ti times it's really hard to just accept that. Yeah, yeah, I think it's definitely it's definitely tough, but you know, it comes down in the mindset that you had, and I just knew that. You know, if it's not me, it's going to be somebody else, And yeah, she's gonna get everything she wants. I have a feeling this isn't the last we see of you, mister Tyler. Yeah, see me again. I'll be here. I mean, we did see a pretty in depth trailer of Paradise today, our little teaser, so maybe we will have you on batch her Happy Hour again. I'm hoping, so, I hope. So that's had so much fun. We've had fun too, So thank you for entertaining that this past season. Okay, Logan, thank you for coming to Bachelor Happy hour. I have to say them a little bit upset you don't have two chicks in your hand. Yeah, you did not come prepared. They couldn't make it. I'm actually surprised. I feel like there's always like some sort of prop. I mean, we have the Mariner ass, but I'm surprised that they didn't bring the chicks today. Yeah, I think prop comedy might may not have played well on the hot seat. You know, maybe hey have to bring them on. You said to bring them with you for the interview, and Beck and I would have just called them and played with them interview. No, Okay, we obviously loved to joke and just give our own ship, but realistically, like mindset, now, after mental all is done, you've seen the women, you've seen the men. How are you feeling? You know what? I feel good? Um, obviously there's like a lot of tough questions and there's a lot of tension, and I don't I don't blame people for having questions. I think if I were in the shoes of some of my friends or in the issues of the women, I would have questions too. So it was a relief to be able to kind of express where I was coming from and to be able to I wanted to get across the sentiment that like, I'm still learning and there were things that I would do differently, but at the end of the day, I came from a place of you know, honesty, and I was my heart was in the right place. That's what I wanted to get across. And you know, I think a couple of people saw that. Maybe not everybody, but yeah, I feel good about today. Yeah. Well, in the grand scheme of things in micheline, I've talked about this, like the whole switch ru that you did, you know that caused quote unquote drama that wasn't even that much drama. Let's be honest. I don't think the issue necessarily was like this switch, but more so, like the time frame and the timing of accepting Rachel's roses for three weeks bring us back to like when you were filming, what was your mindset? Did you did you just want to make sure you knew that you wanted to see how things were with Gabby or was it just kind of like allotted with I mean, we all know the travel schedule or whatever it might be. It's a great, great question. Um, you know that first night at the at their mansion when I was selected from the speedo competition to go hang out with them. Obviously I had time with both of them and we both shared, you know, a kiss and really good conversation. And I did feel at that point like the connection with Gabby like moved me and that it was it was palpable, it was heavy to me, and it felt strong. But I did have a great conversation with Rachel and I did feel attracted to her, and when she offered me the rose, I thought, maybe this is a really ship that will take time. Maybe there's something here that I haven't quite found. Maybe she takes longer to open up, maybe there's a spark that all it takes is a date and all of a sudden we will see something that's not there yet. And you know what, looking back, I should have spoke my feelings right then and there when she offered me the rose, but I decided, you know what, it's still early. I'm going to see if maybe this turns into something. Maybe my feelings will change, maybe their feelings will change. And you just can't think like that in these environments because the circumstances changed so quick. And I wasn't able to have a one on one conversation with them uninterrupted for another two and a half weeks after that, And so, yeah, looking back, you know what, after I was offered that rose, I would have said, I'm honored and I'm flattered and I'm so open to exploring things. But to be honest with you, my connection with Gabby felt really moving, and I thought I was going to get a rose from her. That's what I would have liked to have done. But obviously that's hindsight, you know. So as you're watching all of this back and you're watching their emotions, you're kind of rethinking about how you navigated the entire situation. How are you feeling it about speaking with both Gabby and Rachel going into mental all and kind of having to explain that, Yeah, I think I'm on very different in very different places with each of them. They hold a strong friendship, obviously, so there's a level of support that they have for each other. I think the fact that Gabby welcomed me in and saw something worth exploring, we're maybe in a little bit of a better place right now than that of me and Rachel. I want Rachel to know how like I see how difficult her journey was, and I hate that I contributed to that difficulty. But she's like so strong and she's gotten through it, and you know, she doesn't need me to keep apologizing. I think she's kind of tired of me talking about it, probably, And I don't I don't blame her, but yeah, certain things just you know, take a little time. I don't. I don't think either of them have harsh feelings towards me, but maybe he's a little tender, you know. Yeah. Well, and so speaking of time, I have a feeling that this is not the last time we see you on our TV screens. We obviously did see a little sprinkling of Paradise and the teaser tonight. Is there anything I don't even like want to give it. I'm just gonna ask us what can we expect from that? Um? I break down the walls a little bit in Paradise, Um I yeah, show a little bit more emotion. I'm kind of like a stow it guy sometimes and okay, break it down a little bit and on the beach, yeah, um yeah, I feel things very deeply over there in Paradise, and sometimes that's a good thing. Sometimes it hurts a little bit. But yeah, I'm excited to watch bag. I mean, I can't wait. I mean everyone kept saying it was supposed to be shocking, so I hope it lives up to the hype. But Logan, thank you for joining us. I know that there's probably so much we could have covered and talked about it, n asked you, but obviously time is limited. But again, if we do see you on the screen, I'm sure this is not the last time we'll see you. I'm happy, No, I hope not. That you guys are great. Well, thank you Logan. Oh my gosh, Michelle, this is well, this is the second time we've done this in person together. I'm so glad that we could be in studio and that was fun just talking to multiple people switching ended up getting multiple sides of every story. Really, this is your first tell that you've done. Yes, actually, yes, you know that now that you say that. It is and it's like the first time interviewing other people in person. But it's also such an emotional night because so many things happen with mental all or at any of these teels, and it's like you walk it, you go in having these thoughts of what you wanted to talk about, and then you get closer or maybe not closure. So I think there's like a lot of emotions, but it's overall positive all over the place, you I mean. And here's the thing, like we want to talk to everyone about all of the drama, about all of the emotion and feeling and like the end of a lot of relationships, and we just simply can't get into the nitty gritty. But I'm sure we'll see more unfold as the season goes on. But this was so much fun. I'm so glad that we could be here together. So think you, Michelle. Thanks to both of the girls and all of the guys that we had on today, and also a huge thank you to all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. Don't forget everybody that you can catch all new episodes of the Bouchelrettes every Monday on ABC or Hulu, and make sure to hit us up on social. You can follow us at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram and from there you'll find everything you need to know to follow us on Twitter and TikTok and Boucher Happy Hour is available on Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen and you can always listen to US ad free by subscribing to Wonder Replus in Apple Podcasts or the wonderreapp Thank you everyone and see you next week. Er