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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: One of the great stories this year happening at the Kentucky Derby as Golden Tempo came from last to first, and the trainer for the horse, Golden Tempo, Cherie de Vaux, joins us on the program. Congratulations. Does Golden Tempo know that he did something special?

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Speaker 3: I think he.

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Speaker 4: Does getting he's getting a lot more attention and pats, and then he was auditioning for a stelling career just now when we.

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Speaker 3: Had him out with a couple local reporters.

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Speaker 4: So I think he's really relishing that he's going to get to have a lot more fun in his next phase of life.

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Speaker 2: Give me the race plan that you put forth before the race started.

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Speaker 4: So Golden Tempo is a deep closer, and we've tried to get him a bit more in contact with the field by putting the blinkers on him.

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Speaker 3: That didn't really seem to help.

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Speaker 4: He just seems to like to let everyone else do the hard work in front of him.

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Speaker 3: And do his best running late.

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Speaker 4: So the conversation with Jose was really.

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Speaker 3: Just you know, you're in an outside post. Just let the field go in front of you.

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Speaker 4: Save you get down to the rail, save ground, and then you know he was going to be wide at making his run no matter what, just because of how he runs. So it's really important that when you can, you're not losing any you know, any distance in the race, any ground as we call it. So and the other thing I had mentioned to Jose is just he had in his previous start in Louisiana Derby, he dove down to the rail because he thought that's where the horse was going to do his best running. But you really can't do that in the field of the Kentucky Derby.

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Speaker 3: There's too much traffic. Horses are going to close you off.

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Speaker 4: And so I just said, just swing as wide as you can so you get a clear shot at it. And if you could have drawn it up on a playbook, then that would be exactly how we how Jose inactive.

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Speaker 2: What can you see though from your vantage point not much?

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Speaker 4: All I could see, like Churchill's a bit tricky to watch races, especially in a big crowd, So you were watching on the TV, and most of the race he wasn't even on the screen, and neither was his little chick lit. So I was watching a lot of the complexity of the first part of the race, and I was hoping Jose was a man with a plan because he was so far out of it, and they were, to be fair, they were going really fast in front of him, but I picked him up, like when they came off the stretch and I could see him, and that's when my wonderfully viral video of me cheering him on started. And when they came by where I was standing, he was just getting to renegade. And then you know, then again they still had quite a lot of the race left to run, so then I had to watch it on the big screen.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 5: What do you see when you see yourself in that moment?

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Speaker 4: It just it felt like it was all the years of hard work, you know, I've put a lot of I've put all my life in this industry up to this point, you know, from when I started twenty two years ago, and it just seemed it felt like it was a culmination of all of that. And I was just so proud of Golden Tempo and just so elated for Jose. And then I think myself was the last thought that was is in my mind about that moment.

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Speaker 5: How do you know you're good at your job?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: I A lot of people would say results. For me, it's the results, but also, this is a sport where you have to put the horse first, in their safety first.

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Speaker 3: And I'm going to knock on woocsse I hate saying this, but.

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Speaker 4: Have a low rate of significant incidents of horses getting hurt on the track, and that's what I'm most proud of. You know, results come, but putting the horse first and just making sure that they're safe in their races and coming out of it happy and healthy is what's most important.

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Speaker 5: Who have you heard from since the wind? That would surprise me?

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Speaker 4: To be honest, I haven't even gotten through all my messages.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean it was fun.

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Speaker 4: I went to school in southwest Florida, in a small town that has nothing to do with horse racing, and that was a big deal. Then it's it's kind of surreal when I'm watching you know, well known figures talking about me on you know, on different podiums and social media.

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Speaker 5: When do you decide on the Preakness.

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Speaker 3: We're going to give it a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: It could be as early as Wednesday or tomorrow or Thursday. Daisies here representing the FIPS stable. So we just had a little chat and you know, we just said we talk a little bit. He's going to go to the track tomorrow and we'll come up. You know, we'll come up with a plan in short order.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm not sure if horse racing has become more specialized where we're gearing for the Derby or we're gearing for the Preakness, we're gearing for the Belmont, Whereas when I was growing up, you were hoping that you could be in all three races and win a triple crown. I don't know how important that is. Can you enlighten me on that in today's world of horse racing, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely different. We do focus more on the race to race of you know, of what we're doing. So the Kentucky Derby was our big goal. We didn't I didn't, not in a bad way. So they didn't have faith in the horse. I couldn't believe that we actually won. So and I haven't had a chance to sit and catch my breath and really think about the triple Crown. You know, the factors in it are he's a horse, that Relish is a mile and a quarter, so he ran a mile in three sixteenths in his previous start. So you know, I'm happy to have a horse that can win the Kentucky Derby when the Belmont win the Travers.

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Speaker 3: But he's so specialized.

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Speaker 4: But and that's why we're waiting to see what his energy level is like when he gets back to the track. You know, see how he's moving, because he's going to have to really take a jump forward to be able to take that extra sixteenth of a mile away from him.

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Speaker 2: So it wouldn't matter if I put in an extra week in between the Derby and the Preakness, right, that doesn't matter. It's just this horse as good at these distances or this distance.

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Speaker 4: Okay, exactly, And that has nothing to do with the timing. And I admire any horse that tries for the Triple Crown, whether we take that route or not. But it's it's a horse by horse basis. If you are a different type of horse with a different running style, probably you know would play different in our decision making.

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Speaker 2: Secretariat's number still stands there, one fifty nine to four. I think Secretariat would have won the Derby by fifteen links given, But like it feels like everybody's evolving. Athletes are evolving, like we're getting bigger and stronger and better faster, But Secretariats still remains.

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Speaker 5: Why is that?

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Speaker 3: Because he was an elite horse.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the greatest horses that ever roam the earth or you know, in racing in our industry, so you know he was elite and it just shows by him having those big achievements in milestones that just can't even become close to reaching.

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Speaker 3: In modern days.

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Speaker 5: What souvenirs are you keeping from the race?

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Speaker 4: I have my I made a custom pair of shoes, so those are the those are staying, and I have one one rose from the garland, so that's being preserved. And I didn't grab a thing of dirt. I should just grabbed a big handful of dirt, but you know, definitely not in my.

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Speaker 3: Mind at the time.

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Speaker 5: But send somebody back to get you some dirt there.

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Speaker 6: I have.

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Speaker 4: I do have a stable there, so it's not outside of the realm, but it would have just been nice to have the dirt on that day. You know, I'm just kidding. It's that's probably gross. I have enough just from walking back and forth from the track to the barn.

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Speaker 5: Did you bet on the race?

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Speaker 4: I don't bet, rarely do I bet so. I think it's enough pressure for the horse. They don't need the weight of my financial burden on them either.

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Speaker 5: Did your friends bet?

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Speaker 3: My friends did bet so.

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Speaker 4: I had a lot of happy congratulatory text to me, But it's probably more for them because they bet, and I think some of them even had the trifecta.

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Speaker 2: Well can Congratulations. It felt almost like a Disney movie as I'm watching this unfold, and maybe they turn it into a movie. But congratulations and good luck with the decision for the Preakness.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate having me on.

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Speaker 2: That's Cheri de vou, the trainer for the Kentucky Derby winning Golden Tempo.

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Speaker 2: Pistons over the Calves. They're up two to oh in the series. Thunder over the Lakers, They're up two to oh in the series. I wondered yesterday that you had the Lakers fifteen and a half point underdogs last night, and I thought that you would probably have the Thunder seven and a half or eight and a half point favorites in Los Angeles. Well, it's eight and a half on Saturday night the Thunder and they're traveling show. They will be eight and a half point favorites. Tonight it's the Knicks. They're getting one and a half against the Sixers. Spurs four and a half point favorites in Minnesota. And then on Saturday the Pistons look to go up three to zero. They'll be four and a half point underdogs. Let me start with the Cavaliers and the Pistons. Kate Cunningham has been wonderful. He really has, and he might be having a Tyrese Haliburton breakout because now you're going to see him. What happens in the postseason is you're kind of forced to watch players teams that you normally wouldn't watch during the regular season. Pistons fall into that category. But Cad Cunningham is a great player, and the Pistons have played well. Tobias Harris has played really well, giving you that consistent second score, which is what I said they were going to need. Well, you know what always helps. You're going against James Harden, and playoff James is just not very good. The Cavs are paying James Harden and Evan Mobley just under one hundred million dollars combined this season. Harden's defense, we know, is a problem, more turnovers than points in two games against the Pistons, mobiley nine points, one rebound last night. And with James Harden, we could accept that he wasn't going to play defense, didn't even have to try playing defense. But the Cavaliers are in a win down mode because you got a couple of really good players, and you do have a nucleus to make a deep run. If not go to the NBA Finals, you trade Darius Garland to the Clippers and you get James Harden. Well, I don't know what James Harden did in the playoffs. Where you go, you know what, we want that on our team. Great regular season player doesn't come up big in the postseason. And we've seen that so far. And he doesn't give you the offensive burst that he once did, where you can go, you know what, we can look past that. He looks old, he's playing old, and Detroit's taking advantage of that. Now, Cleveland can still come back and win this series. They have the talent to do that. But James Harden should be a benefit. He should be a positive, He should be something more special.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I like Darius Garland. I think he made a couple of All Star Games, and maybe they thought, well, he's not a big guy, kind of frail. Maybe he's not gonna come up big in the postseason. Can is he durable? Whatever their reasoning was, the Clippers probably said, wait, we can get younger and get rid.

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Speaker 5: Of James Rden. Okay, we'll do that.

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Speaker 2: And look, there was a time where I said on this show, I thought he was muscy TV. I thought that he was incredible as an offensive weapon. I think one year he averaged thirty six, thirty seven and ten and he was ball dominant, but I was okay with it. It's like Russell Westbrook, ball dominant, but there was a time when you couldn't take your eyes off of him, and then you realized that you had Russell Westbrook, James Harden Kevin Durant on the same team in OKC. And you wonder if they had beaten the Warriors that year when they were up three to one, how would that have changed history? Now, James Harden wanted to have his own team, That's why he went to Houston. Russ was there for a little while longer. Then Durant decided I can't beat him, I'm going to join him. But you had that moment, and I wonder how history would have been written changed if that did.

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Speaker 9: Yes, marsh Yeah, you got to think about they got to the finals in twenty twelve. They were super young. They were almost like the ninety five Orlando Magic where you keep thinking they're going to get back there a couple of times. That's why I hate that term they'll be back, because they're young and they just kind of all went their separate ways.

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Speaker 2: I think if they beat the Warriors, Kevin Durant doesn't join the Warriors, and then maybe Golden State is not winning an extra title or two. Once again, it's a small moment, but it kind of came into my head. It crystallized last night when I'm watching Harden and I think we're gonna look at Harden. Now, Durant won a couple of titles, Ben Harden was an MVP, but I think, you know, when you're writing the history of James Harden, it's gonna be a little bumpy. Like Durant has the titles that helps, and one of the all time scores, but it's a little bumpy there as well. And what went on in Houston. We still haven't gotten to the bottom that. But it feels like Kevin Durant is going to be on yet another team next year.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marv.

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Speaker 9: James Harden, he feels like he's gonna be one of those guys that just put up a lot of numbers that didn't amount to anything, a lot of empty calories.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a great regular season player, but you know, we're so focused on postseason. You know that's changed here in the last you know, thirty years. Maybe when it comes to arguments, you're like, well, what do you do in the postseason? Nobody ever says what did Bonds do in the postseason? That doesn't come up. I don't think people can tell you how many World Series titles did Babe Ruth win.

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Speaker 5: You don't know.

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Speaker 2: But certain players we do say Tom Brady, we know, Patrick Mahomes, we know. You know, there's certain success that goes along with certain players in certain sports.

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Speaker 5: But you know, when I.

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Speaker 2: Look at Kevin Durant, okay, two titles, one of the great scorers of all time, what could have been an okay?

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Speaker 5: See James Harden, It'll be.

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Speaker 2: Just like man, that's a lot of points or a lot of assists, a lot of bad playoff games.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: Same with Russell Westbrook. I appreciate that he plays hard every game. He's a scorer, not a shooter. He's entertaining. There's certain players where we do attach the what did you do in the big games? The big moments? Well, Iverson was a wonderful regular season player. Postseason, he went to an NBA finals. He took a very suspect team to the NBA Finals. But we do point that out as a positive there, and I think that's sometimes where we pick and choose. When you're trying to win an argument, you're like, well, what did he do in the postseason? What kind of defensive player was he? Yes, Dylan.

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Speaker 10: I think it's always tough when you start to really bounce around to team to team, like like Duran and Harden have both done. As your play is getting worse or less efficient and you're just third, fourth, fifth, sixth team in a short period of time, people kind of start to get a little disillusioned.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, sometimes when you go, oh, I didn't know James Harden was in Cleveland, Like that's not a good sign.

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Speaker 10: You disappear a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit, yes, like oh, okay, he's in Cleveland. Oh maybe he'll get a title. Maybe he'll get a chance. And I don't know what that is. I mean, he's not going to get that title this year, probably won't get a title. But he's bounced around, and you know we've seen that with Durant as well. Now this isn't work it out. I want to go play with my buddies in Brooklyn, and same thing with James Harden. Just kind of vagabonds Gypsies Hall of Famers, but when you put everybody under the same roof, they're all Hall of Famers, but they're they got in there for different reasons.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul James.

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Speaker 11: Harden has been on six teams in the past six seasons, but he had a run from twenty fourteen through twenty twenty h he was MVP second, second, first, second, third.

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Speaker 5: That's a run.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a run.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was great.

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Speaker 2: He changed the game and you may not like how he changed the game with his step back, but he did change the game, just like Genobili with the Euro step You changed the game.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Marvin, I think ring culture has kind of hurt the NBA because a lot of times what happened with Lebron. You're a great player, but you haven't won any rings, and the same thing would Harden. Those guys are trying to chase championships and then people don't like the way they chase those championships. But you're on them because they haven't won any titles.

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Speaker 2: The Thunder looked great last night. SGA has not dominated, which is the scary part of this. They haven't needed it. There's so much depth with OKC and they have so many draft picks coming up, and there's no place to put these draft picks. And you might see, Okac, you know, they have the Clippers unprotected pick, they have Utah's top eight protected pick, the Rockets top four protected pick, the Sixers top four protected pick, and also a top four protected pick in twenty twenty seven. Then they have more draft picks in twenty twenty seven. This is the draft, though, that everybody tanked for, because you have five or six players who will probably start right away. Okay, see, doesn't have enough room right now. They got guys coming off the bench, their ninth or tenth guy. Those guys are ready, they want to play. They get buckets.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Dylan, why are the thunder just going to absorb the Clippers and to their organization at this point because they may as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean that trade, I mean that's the Herschel Walker trade for the NBA, Paul George. It might be a better outcome than what happened for the Cowboys with the Minnesota Vikings. But you know you're watching last night. Austin Reeves played well, Lebron played well. It's just not enough when I don't get anything out of DeAndre Ayton.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you got to you.

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Speaker 2: Gotta give me more than three points. But Holmegren and Hartenstein, you know, they bang him around. I mean they make him work. And DeAndre Ayton that's where, okay, you don't have Luca all right, DeAndre Ayton still walks out there as a seven footer act like one Reeves did play better. Although you know, now you're hearing the Lakers saying that they're not getting calls, they're being disrespected. In fact, here is JJ Reddick. He now the entire team surrounded the officials at the end of a game. I've never seen this before. Almost they had a summit with the officials to talk about not getting calls. Here is JJ Reddick on Lebron not getting the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 6: Well, it gets clambered on that one, you know, with Jalen Williams coming over trying to block the shot when he spun based on one door that was in that.

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Speaker 12: Stretch as well.

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Speaker 6: Lebron has the worst whistle of any star player I've ever seen. I mean I've been with him two years now. You know, there's again the smaller guys, because they can be theatric they typically draw more fouls, and the bigger players that are, you know, built like Lebron, it's hard for them. But he gets clobbered, and he got clobbered again to night a bunch and that's not like a new thing, that's not specific to this crew or you know this this series. He gets fouled a lot that doesn't happen to me. Gets hit on the head more than a player I've seen on drives, and it rarely gets called.

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Speaker 2: So well, there was a play a continuation that the officials missed. But Lebron is theatrical as well. I mean, let's be honest here, I know Sga is. Lebron is theatrical. Does he get fouled? Not more than anybody I've ever seen. Shock got fouled. Wilt Chamberlain got fouled more than anybody I ever saw, every single play. Because this is what happens when you're Lebron in your six, you're two sixty. If I hit you, you may not react. That's why he's theatrical. He has to sell it because it really doesn't affect him. A lot of times with Shaq, Shaq could play through your contact and you'd think, oh, he didn't get fouled, it didn't affect anything, but he did. And the same with Lebron. So that's why you see Lebron where he is theatrical and officials don't like seeing it, although it feels like they're okay with Sja's selling it all the time, but I understand it. When you're the big guy on the blog, you're not getting any sympathy there.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Marvin, all this stuff is taking away from how good Oklahoma City is because we just talk about them getting away with maybe some foul calls, with guys like Loudor and Al's Caruso playing physical all the time and getting the benefit of the doubt. And they're such a good deep team and now they're playing a marquee team like Lake or so now it's on Front Street on how they play.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's that's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Now you're seeing Kate Cunningham, You've already seen Brunson because the Knicks are always on primetime TV. You're seeing Sga again where he's going to go back to back MVP and may go back to back with titles. So now you have to have him in the conversation. It's just like Joker when you win an NBA title. Now you're legitimate. Hey you want MVPs, Now win a title, Giannis, Hey you want MVP, Now win a title. Indeed, we're waiting for that. It'll probably never happen. But you're looking for validation. Here Sga has given you validation. He's a great player. He's not exciting. They're not exciting. But it's like the San Antonio Spurs efficiency deal with us. You don't get style points. I mean Golden State if that was the case, Golden State had style points that would last forever. But you don't get style points. You know, the Miami Heat with d Wade and Bosh and Lebron style points. But you want to be efficient. You want to be great night in, night out. And I look at OKC the way I did San Antonio. They just have players who know their roles. They're deep, we like to say, they're well coached, and they're the team to beat. The fact you're going into LA and LA is an eight and a half point underdog in their biggest game of the year tells you just about everything you need to know about this series.

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Speaker 11: Yeampong, Hey, kids, piling the car and let's go down to the stadium to watch some efficiency.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you want to see guys flop? Are we watching soccer? No, No, we're watching the NBA, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 9: And that's the number one reason why SGA isn't a bigger star than he should be.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but he created this.

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Speaker 9: Oh I know, but I'm just saying. That's the reason why.

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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley Hall of Famer ESPN inside the NBA studio and analyst. Are you do you a snorkel?

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Speaker 5: Have you done anything like that?

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Speaker 1: Sir?

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Speaker 12: Oh, that's not a black that's not a blacktivity.

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Speaker 5: A block is not a blactivity.

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Speaker 12: Don't they have sharks and stuff in the ocean? Dam Yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Now, now unless a shark come up on land, that's never gonna happen to me.

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Speaker 12: That's not that's not a blacktivity.

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine a shark looking and seeing shack if he was snorkling, they'd.

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Speaker 8: Be saying, boy, that's a dark meat right there. Hey, listen, Hey, you don't to think about it. Then the shark would be good for like two or three months.

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Speaker 12: You know, the shark could just the shark could just take like a no eating vacation, because Shack is no.

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Speaker 9: Damn big.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 5: We were talking about this this morning about flopping and I don't know was flopping.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how prevalent it was when you played, but it feels like it is a top of conversation, certainly with OKC, and it almost feels like it diminishes their success. Let's go back when you played, how often did flopping happen all the time.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's really interesting watching television today, people back like tanking and flopping or something new. Teams have always tanked, they gotta do something about it. But teams have always tanked and guys have always flopped. I mean, you go back to you have to look, gods are screaming halfway through their shot or they're flitting their arms out. So there's always been that. Listen, I will admit I've never seen anything like that. Last night, well, an entire team go around the relps. I've never seen that in I'm close to fifty years now. I've never seen that in my life where a whole team go around referees after the game.

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Speaker 2: That was pretty interesting, okay, but what message can you give to the officials situation like that that the Lakers found themselves in.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that can help them in any capacity because now the referees are going to be like, well, if we start calling files for the Lakers, they're.

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Speaker 12: Gonna think that tactic work.

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Speaker 8: Uh So I didn't see any positives about that, to be honest with you, like I said, because the reff you know, you know ath lest the reffs are always live at I don't read the newspaper, I don't watch television.

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Speaker 12: Stop lying, yes you do, And the.

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Speaker 8: Reffs are going to be like, now, if we come out and give the Lakers all these calls, the media is gonna be saying the little hijack thing worked. So I don't see anything positive out of it, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: And JJ Reddick said that Lebron he gets filed more than anybody I think in the history of the game, which isn't true because Shaq got foiled probably more than anybody because you you can ever tell if you were hurting Shack, whereas Lebron's a big guy. But He also is pretty theatrical as well. Is Lebron being refereed fairly.

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Speaker 8: Man.

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Speaker 12: First of all, all great players a couple of things.

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Speaker 8: All great players make contact with the defense first, so then they're all there's always contact.

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Speaker 12: I always trying.

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Speaker 8: To hit the guy was playing against, just to knock him out of balance so I could get my shot off. So we all overreacted. There all, there's always contact. I actually think the rest are kind of swallowed the whistle to these playoffs, I've seen more contact on guys than I saw the entire regular season. I bet if you did a survey, I bet free throw shooting is down. I mean, I haven't looked at all, but I bet if you go back and look at the first round and the first couple of games of the of these, I bet free throw shooting is down.

00:28:53
Speaker 12: Because when me and Kenny were in there the other day, we screaming that's a file, that's a file, that's a file, and the refs not calling the file.

00:29:00
Speaker 8: But I guarantee you if you went and looked at the numbers, I bet free throw shooting is down.

00:29:06
Speaker 12: The number of.

00:29:06
Speaker 8: Guys that have taken and I was watching listen to your show earlier today when I was driving around, I think I heard somebody say that somebody shot. I think Austin Reid shot more free throws than Shay Gilders. Yeah so, but I heard you talking about it earlier.

00:29:26
Speaker 12: So man, no, the Lakers is down O two.

00:29:29
Speaker 8: That the Oklahoma city is just better than them has nothing to do with the officiating.

00:29:34
Speaker 5: Was Blade the first flopper in the NBA?

00:29:40
Speaker 8: I can't answer that question, but I don't know. Uh And dude, there's always been floppers. I mean there's always uh so I listen, I told you there's always been floppers.

00:29:50
Speaker 12: I'm not sure who the first was.

00:29:53
Speaker 8: You know, guys throw their arms and scream every time somebody touched them. Now and listen, I think they're It's an automatic thing now, Dan, every time a guy gets fouled, they just normally start toiling their fingers to the referee, to the coach number review that. Yeah, I mean, it's become like an automatic thing.

00:30:14
Speaker 2: But I just I would have given Homegrown a technical after they reversed it for him flopping and selling it that way.

00:30:22
Speaker 8: I you know, first of all, I like replay, but the problem with replay is.

00:30:31
Speaker 12: There's so much stuff that happened.

00:30:34
Speaker 8: This unreviewable because you can only re review a certain thing. So even though I think review is a positive, I think he can be a negative because they're like, well, did go off this guy?

00:30:48
Speaker 12: But he got hammered and you can't look at that.

00:30:52
Speaker 8: You just got to look who touched the ball less, So it's pros and cons to be honest with with you Dan to that.

00:30:59
Speaker 2: Yes, Charles Barkley, Hall of Famer, inside the NBA studio analyst, you and Draymond going at it. You were being honest to Draymond that it's over in Golden State, and then he made it personal where he took a shot at you when you were chasing a ring in Houston. How did it go when you go to commercial break after something like that or the rest of the night, how's it go?

00:31:27
Speaker 12: Well?

00:31:27
Speaker 8: Number One, I don't ever take anything. You can never take personal shots at guys. You know, I've said that in my twenty six years. My critiques of every player or coach is only about the situation. He took a shot at me. But I don't get offended because other guys. I've said things about guys and they took personal shots at me. Do you know it's so funny. Last time you had me on the show, I told you I regretted those Rocket years, especially the last two which I sucked as a player, but I wouldn't.

00:32:01
Speaker 12: Turn down no free money. I had two years. I had two years left on my contract.

00:32:05
Speaker 5: And you can say it though, Charles.

00:32:09
Speaker 2: That my my issue with Draymond, if he wants to do this, you know, be in TV is get a sense of humor. He takes everything personally. You were just saying, look, it's over with the Warriors, and now he can't say it, but you were just saying it's over. And then he made it personal with you instead of.

00:32:27
Speaker 8: How and yeah, he made it personally. Listen, man, it's so funny. There's a couple of things. The Wars haven't been relevant for three or four years. Uh, they've been in the play in so so when you're in the play in, you're not in the playoffs, you're in the that's something. Adam sim that's something Adam Silver, who I love Adam Silver.

00:32:48
Speaker 12: I love Adam Silver. But the player is something.

00:32:51
Speaker 8: They just made up to have more games to put.

00:32:53
Speaker 12: On a different network. And when you're in the play in.

00:32:56
Speaker 8: The rockets been excuse me that the war has been in the playing I think four straight years, so they've been irrelevant. And I know he don't want to say it, but and listen, you know everybody getting mad when.

00:33:10
Speaker 12: I say this. Old people don't get healthy. Old people die, Okay, they don't get healthy.

00:33:16
Speaker 8: They're noticing that him and stuff gonna get better when they get healthy, and being a year older.

00:33:21
Speaker 12: They're not. They're not. They just don't get older.

00:33:24
Speaker 6: Dan uh.

00:33:26
Speaker 12: So it's over for Golden State.

00:33:28
Speaker 8: They had a great run and he should like he took a person shot at me, but I'm not sensitive. But yeah, it's been over in Golden State. I mean if he if Golden State was relevant, he wouldn't be in the studio with me.

00:33:44
Speaker 2: What's the first thing that goes as you get older as a as a player, your.

00:33:50
Speaker 8: Body don't move Like you can see a ball, but you can't move to go.

00:33:56
Speaker 12: Get it.

00:33:59
Speaker 8: Like you like, like in the beginning, you're like, oh, that's the ball, let.

00:34:02
Speaker 12: Me just jump up and get it.

00:34:03
Speaker 8: When you get older, you're like, I see that ball, but I can't move. It's like a delayed reaction. And secondly, you can see it with Steff. You get hurt, you get hurt. You get hurt a lot. I tell people, from twenty five to thirty two, you're at the peak of your superpowers.

00:34:28
Speaker 12: Then thirty two thirty four you can.

00:34:31
Speaker 8: Squeeze another couple of good years out of it. It's a little bit different now because two things. Number one, they don't go to college and there's no physicality, so you can play it like an extra three or four years at a good level. You're not the same, but you can play at a good level because these guys never went to college and there's no physicality.

00:34:51
Speaker 12: In the game.

00:34:52
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, you talk about guys like in the old days, they went to college for four years, like Tim Duncan, the greatest power for whatever. He went to college for four years to still play sixteen seventeen years and the game was way more physical. So guys can play longer now, and that's an advantage for them.

00:35:15
Speaker 2: I asked Reggie Miller earlier this week whose career he would rather have, Draymonds or Carmelo.

00:35:25
Speaker 8: Carmelo was a much better player than Draymond. That's not a shade at him. Draymond's a He's a good player, Carmelo was a great player.

00:35:34
Speaker 12: Listen, man, we all want to win.

00:35:36
Speaker 2: But the reason why I said that is because Reggie never won and he's a Hall of Famer. So he said he would take Draymond's career because he won championships. He won four championships.

00:35:47
Speaker 8: There's no way, no no disrespect, There's no way I would take Draymond's career over Reggie Miller's. No way, And listen, Reggie can have his own opinion. Reggie Miller has had more historic moments in NBA history. I mean, you go back and look at Reggie.

00:36:06
Speaker 5: I was talking about Melo Carmelo.

00:36:08
Speaker 12: Oh, Carmelo Anthony.

00:36:10
Speaker 8: Number one, he won a championship as the freshman in college, which is incredible. And he's I said, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, and James Harden are probably not Michael and Kobe.

00:36:22
Speaker 12: They on a whole another level.

00:36:24
Speaker 8: Okay as far as scoring, but Kevin Durant, Carmelo and James Harden are the three best scores I've seen in the last thirty years. If you need a basket and you can give it to one of those guys, they gonna get you a shot or they're gonna score every time. Uh, in my opinion. But listen, man, hey, I wouldn't trade my career for Draymonds. I'm pretty sure Karl Malone woulden. I'm pretty sure Patrick Ewing woulden.

00:36:52
Speaker 3: Uh.

00:36:53
Speaker 8: But Draymonds had a really terrific career. But to think he's on the same level with us as players, you have to be crazy to think that.

00:37:02
Speaker 2: Is there a comp for Jalen Brunson somebody that he reminds you of, who maybe played a different era. I find him fascinating to watch.

00:37:15
Speaker 8: You know, it's I think was fascinating about him. Nobody knew he was just good, Like when he was in Dallas. You're like, he's a solid backup. And I've said this and got some heat because I'm not talking about Lebron or somebody like that. But Jaylen Bronson has probably been one of the all time great.

00:37:38
Speaker 12: Free agent signings.

00:37:40
Speaker 8: I mean, the Knicks have been irrelevant since he got there.

00:37:45
Speaker 12: You know, they were irrelevant.

00:37:46
Speaker 8: For since Patrick Ewing left, probably twenty years. I think Jalen Bronson signing with the Knicks is one of the great free agent signings of all time. I mean what he I mean, he makes the Knicks relevant. I mean, they were in the conference finals last year. I mean, and it's not like they have a great team either. I mean so, but no, I think that's a great question though about a comp But I just I just want to say that I think he's been.

00:38:15
Speaker 12: One of the great free agent signings in in in NBA history in my opinion.

00:38:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, because he's not big, you know.

00:38:25
Speaker 8: He just gets it done. And let me tell you something. You know, people talk about Shay, who's amazing. If you go back and look in the last couple of years, there's nobody who's been a better closer than Jalen Bronson in the NBA.

00:38:40
Speaker 12: He been flat and fled out, fascinating to watch.

00:38:44
Speaker 5: Which brings us to James Harden.

00:38:46
Speaker 2: I don't know what Cleveland thought when they traded to get him, like he was going to be a difference maker in the postseason.

00:38:53
Speaker 5: There's no track record there. Then he looks old.

00:38:58
Speaker 8: Then I'll be the first to admit it. I was one hundred percent wrong as right now. I thought when the Cavaliers got James Harden, I thought it made them the favorite in the East. I picked them to win the East. I am I'm not gonna lie. I am in shock. And you know when I showed that stat the other night, I saw it. I saw it on I saw it somewhere I can't remember where. Because he's had twenty nine games, we've had more turnovers than field goals made in a game as a great player. That's one of the most shocking stats I've ever seen on a guy who's gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

00:39:39
Speaker 12: I mean, twenty nine times.

00:39:42
Speaker 8: Then he's had more turnovers than field goals in a playoff game.

00:39:47
Speaker 12: That's impossible. I mean, like, I'm like, WHOA.

00:39:51
Speaker 8: You can have a bad turnover game, you can have two, maybe three, but you should like got to have more more field goals. But to have it twenty nine times, And I'm not gonna lie, I was one hundred percent wrong.

00:40:04
Speaker 12: I picked. I loved.

00:40:05
Speaker 8: I loved the trade for James Harden's I thought number one that would take it would free up Donovan Mitchell just to score, because that's what he wants to do, just score.

00:40:15
Speaker 12: He don't want to pass the ball.

00:40:16
Speaker 8: But I thought it would unlock Mobley and Jared Allen and then James, and I thought James would have a flashback where.

00:40:23
Speaker 12: You get you thirty points one game in the playoffs.

00:40:26
Speaker 8: But he's gonna help Mobley and Jared Allen and Donavan can just do what he wants to do.

00:40:31
Speaker 12: With the score.

00:40:33
Speaker 8: But it looks like I am one hundred percent wrong on that. In that situation, I picked the cave to get to the finals. And I'm James, I'm not gonna lie. I'm in shock how bad he's playing.

00:40:46
Speaker 5: You're going to Tahoe again this year?

00:40:49
Speaker 8: Damn of course I'm going to Tahoe. Are you gonna be be the coward that you are? Won't you come out there?

00:40:56
Speaker 12: Dad? It's the best week of the year. Wait listen, I am.

00:40:59
Speaker 2: I am going out there. I'm doing the show again out there?

00:41:02
Speaker 12: Are you gonna play at the tournament?

00:41:04
Speaker 5: I gotta work, Dan, we'll.

00:41:08
Speaker 12: You don't work on the.

00:41:09
Speaker 5: Damn weekend, Dan, I know, but I worked during the week. I mean, we don't.

00:41:15
Speaker 12: We don't play the Friday.

00:41:17
Speaker 5: I'm entertaining a nation. It takes a lot out of me.

00:41:21
Speaker 12: Well, you know what takes a lot out of you?

00:41:22
Speaker 8: Dan? Them two fooders you kept slapping by the hole, that's how.

00:41:27
Speaker 12: But you know when I play at home, these are good. Then I'm gonna tell you something.

00:41:33
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie that much funny.

00:41:36
Speaker 8: As he says, these aren't gimme im did we play off it? Hey, you missed like the first five gimmis, and You're like, they don't really give me these at the club? I said, damn, we don't give anything out here there there you had.

00:41:52
Speaker 12: Me laughing so hard.

00:41:54
Speaker 5: Uh, I know.

00:41:55
Speaker 2: I just like tapped it didn't go in, and I just picked it up and Charles like, what to bleep you doing? I go, wait, that's good, and they go, no, you got to play everything into the hole.

00:42:05
Speaker 5: I go, oh damn, okay, all right, yeah you can.

00:42:11
Speaker 12: You can wheel work around?

00:42:12
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Well you can. I have some gimmy putts when I'm out there.

00:42:17
Speaker 8: No, you don't. Hey, Dan, Just for the record, I miss the entire weekend. I probably miss four gimmey's. I'm not gonna lie. They lip out, They lip out.

00:42:28
Speaker 5: Oh, I know, I know it's easy when you're watching people do it on TV.

00:42:32
Speaker 12: All right, yes it is.

00:42:33
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you before Tahoe, but yeah, I'll be out there bringing the show again.

00:42:37
Speaker 12: All right, man, Thank you, Adam.

00:42:39
Speaker 5: You gotta take care of yourself all right, Thank you, bro.