Episode 493 | Checking In With Reason

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Speaker 1: Nollian doctor. All right, take two, Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what day of the week it is. We have no idea what the date is, what the time is, but we are back. We are here with a I would say, family of the show, and I'm friend of.

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Speaker 1: The show anymore.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that he might as well be a co host. At this point.

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Speaker 4: There's one of the few West Coast dudes left that's still fuck with me.

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Speaker 2: Well, the one of the guys who may have the same enemies.

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Speaker 4: We actually really allied. You know you're good on the East right now. You know you're good over here. You don't worry about nothing over here. Today we are joined by family of the show. Welcome back. Reason is in the house.

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Speaker 1: Today, y'all.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Rash off the project moving towards love, moving towards love. I don't know if I believe them, but.

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Speaker 6: Towards tours not not you know there tours. It's all about progression. It's all about it, all about progression, moving towards love, towards love.

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Speaker 4: So how did you how did you? How did you realize that you're moving towards love? Is a change you decided like I need to make changes my life or is this something that you were just like it just sounds good?

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Speaker 5: Nah, I think, I mean it's it's a whole.

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Speaker 6: So we're doing a color serious So I have everything in my soul blue, and then this is moving towards love. So everything in my soul is moving towards love. I have two more colors. But I do think it when you get older, you kind of stop being on the same ship all the way.

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Speaker 5: That you you know what I mean, I would hope, so, yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: Like, so, you know, you get older, you grow, you mature, you you know, kind of get different interests and whatnot. And so when making this project, I feel super attached to this project, which I know sounds weird because.

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Speaker 5: I made it.

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Speaker 6: But a lot of my projects I've dropped them, not necessarily emotionally attached to them still when they drop.

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Speaker 5: But this is kind of.

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Speaker 6: Like a representation, this whole project of like the last like six seven years of what I've kind of been through relationship wise, some of the homemiw stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: You don't really artists like admit to something like that you're not emotionally attached.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because yeah, because it's like I was dropping so much music that was coming way after when I actually made it, so it's like by the time it drops, I'm not emotionally connected to it no more. And then everything in my soul I was rapping about stories, but they wasn't necessarily related to me. So this is like the first project I've made where I dropped it in real time of where I'm like, you know what I mean, like mentally and shit at and it's like actually a lot of stories about me, you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, has that been the main difference with the last three projects you've dropped off TD that, Yeah, you're able to just drop them in real time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just being able to like have fun like even when we did the you know, the Joey situation, Like being able to just go in record some shit and then it's south the very next day. Like just being able to like have shit out when you're still in the moment of it and you're still.

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Speaker 5: Excited about it.

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Speaker 6: Because when you're creative, it's like a lot of times by the time something against the finish line, you already on to the next thing, you know what I'm saying, Like this should dropped that. I didn't even know how the words Like when I'm shooting content back home, I'm fucking up on the words hit. That's never been a thing. You get what I'm saying, like which is which is dope?

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Speaker 2: And now the time has passed and the dust has settled, Yeah, can you humbly admit since you are moving towards love that Joey Badass, in fact did clean up the entire coast.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the entire close coast. I think he won against Ray and Day. Okay, yeah, I think that was the real battle. And that's not to say that Ray didn't do well. I thought Ray did well. I don't think it's as as big as y'all, like the big of the gap as y'all think it is. I don't think it's that we're supposed to dig that. Yeah, but I think I think he I can admit he won that. Like when the jo consistence is something, you have to admit the general consists, right more, you gotta just admit.

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Speaker 1: The fuck No.

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Speaker 5: Okay, A cool, cool, but yeah, we'll.

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Speaker 1: Get to that.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, when the general consistence of something you have to like, regardless of how you personally feel you know what I'm saying, you gotta you gotta be okay with it, and I think theirs is most of the battle.

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Speaker 5: I just stepped in because I got through astray.

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Speaker 1: You get what I thought you had every right to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, absolutely, there was definitely a stray. I appreciate the mall said, you don't have to be objective. You could just go and say whatever you.

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Speaker 1: Definitely dishonored.

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Speaker 5: I'm with that though, I'm with all.

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Speaker 6: I'm with being biased in any type of way, just as long as we know that we're biased. I'm a thousand percent with being biased. Me too, because I'm biased as fun when it comes a certain.

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Speaker 2: Shipka all right, I think we need an alibi for both of you guys.

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Speaker 1: Where have you been the last two days? Can I see your IP addresses?

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Speaker 2: It's convenient that you guys link up and then all of a sudden, not like us, it's taken down.

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Speaker 1: Gn X is taken down real quick.

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Speaker 5: I just want to.

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Speaker 6: Uploads, but I am not on Drake's side. I want to clear that because that's how it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 5: I am here promoting my project.

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Speaker 4: I know, yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to make it seem like.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying that, you know, the Allies and anything. Myself, I don't see you guys are together.

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Speaker 5: That don't happen to me.

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Speaker 4: My god, So anytime Reason is in New York, I.

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Speaker 5: Would hope that he's able to songs come down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean in the last two years there just ha to come down and a whole entire What do you think that was performed at the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. It was weird because it came right back up. So it's like I either think that they're moving stuff around getting ready for something, or I think.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, to get.

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Speaker 1: Ready for something, Like what is what is the moving around? Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's a new deal. Maybe it's like something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe maybe they signed a new deal and it's like, you know, part of that deal is the catalog belonging over here, and now you have to move together, like I don't know, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm speculating, like I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you know, you sign.

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Speaker 6: A new deal and they're like timing of it is very timing of it is is very you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, coincidentals say every theory.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 2: This is one of those things that I've gotten calls like, Yo, what do you think happened?

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Speaker 1: I have, I have, I no fucking idea because hacking that is kind of insane to me. I know that's obviously possible. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even get into my own music, let alone someone get into Kendrick Lamar's catalog or YouTube page. So I don't the hacking thing doesn't make sense. But even if you move your catalog over somewhere else, they re uploaded it, then took it back down and put the original with all the original views up there. So so, but I'm just like, if someone else owns it now and they want to get the royalties, I wouldn't get that either, or it could just transfer over because they could.

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Speaker 6: I think it's above I think it's above my pay grade. I don't you know what I mean, Like, I've never had you know what I mean, certain business situations that I'm sure God has, so I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure this just happened before. We probably just didn't pay attention to it because of the artists.

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Speaker 6: And exactly in the situations you get what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying, but I'm still on the timing of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just very.

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Speaker 6: Maybe maybe he's maybe he's coming with new music, so maybe he announces something on Friday, like maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, does does this get you Not that Kendrick needs it because he stays in the charts, but does this get your stuff to rechart again? Because now everyone's going back to see if gn X is there, and then they listen to g and X they click, not like us, to see if it's back there?

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Speaker 1: Is that a strategy? But even then, I just don't think they need.

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Speaker 5: To do that. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that.

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Speaker 6: I just I mean, maybe he's gear enough for music if he has got to be fire. We get Drake and Dot in the same summer.

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Speaker 1: I would love that.

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Speaker 6: I just hope that whatever music both of them puts out, I just hope that it's not related to the beef. Like, I just want both of them to just go forward and drop really really fire music. I want Drake to do what he's always done in the summer, and I want Dot to continue to run that he's been on.

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Speaker 2: So do you think there's any connection with the who is the giant posters that are everywhere.

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Speaker 6: Now, I didn't feel like it was until it's been a lot of reaching. Yeah, it's like the reaching. Don't feel like it's too out of out of play, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I think they didn't somebody.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, essential to a website, essentially to a website.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a little oozy or something like that.

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Speaker 5: That would be fire.

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Speaker 6: I would love her, I would love a little but that all seem like Ouzi aesthetic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Picture you're talking mom, Yeah, that picture it's like or some ship. It's not it's not enough color. You said, that looks like enough. I can't see that. Looks like that's that's no, it's his first album cover.

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Speaker 5: Looks like it's not enough hips and color in that to be Zi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that I mean, that's just odd that they would essentially go right to Kendrick when there's a few posters around why.

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Speaker 5: I get it though, Yeah, it's it's a timment of it.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys been paying attention to the other nonsense on the timeline today?

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Speaker 1: What is what is the nonsense? Shout out to?

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Speaker 2: What's the dirt? I really do enjoy his content. I think he's a great researcher.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love his YouTube page. He makes really really well researched content. But sometimes I think we get way too much into like our Scooby Doo notebook and just start making things up to connect because we want them to connect.

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Speaker 5: That's the world.

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Speaker 2: Though, No, with this one's getting like a little too far. Okay, So do you remember the rapper Calico that was signed to get Low.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Klico was People's nice. He was on a I think a dipset mixtape at one point. He had a few Calicoca rap for sure. So in the plot twists ig page, there's a photo of Calico and like a made up cover kind of with the same Iceman font of saying.

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Speaker 1: Teasers or whatever. So what's the dirt?

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Speaker 2: Starts doing research and he sees that he was signed to Memphis Bleak. He's in the Faded Black movie. Remember the moment that that he's sitting there with Guru and Jay and they're like, yo, be the fuck you and he's like, I'm still trying to find myself. So Kaliko is in the studio with jay Z. There's also a video of Memphis Bleak holding a Lacy's that all artists in the hard drive. So once the dirt finds an image on plot to Us where Drake posted the Lazy Drive, and then he zooms in on Memphis Leak also holding him. And because Calico was also in the Fade to Black movie, we can now all conclude that Calico is jay Z's ghost rider.

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Speaker 1: I want fourteen minutes and I life that, and.

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Speaker 2: Then it was next to the Calgary Hockey logo And if you do the research, there's maybe somebody else made that logo and someone else took the credit.

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Speaker 1: So listen, what's the dirt is trying to say? That's today?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that was that was the goal.

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Speaker 2: And granted I watched all fourteen minutes. It was interesting, but it's just like we're just trying to connect shit to connection.

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Speaker 5: They wait to the.

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Speaker 6: Last second to like reveal their final head and you're like, I could have just not watched.

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Speaker 5: It, Like, yeah, I just could announce it.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Drake has definitely tooken subliminal shots at Jay that we've talked about for years. Off thirty to thirty, a lot of stuff, But I feel like we're reaching a bit when your main focus is Memphis Bleak holding a hard draft.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me let me love you know, Calico. Listen, I love.

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Speaker 4: Content creators that you know just try to find a niche and they need and they lane and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Let me assure you all one thing.

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Speaker 6: Jay Z does not have a ghost writer like I can just destroy the he does.

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Speaker 1: He made reasonable doubt and then he needed, you know, he needed someone else to write work. But Calico, that's where we landed at.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no disrespect the Calico, but well, people try to put the stole young Chris's flow on Jay before, like people have tried to put little things there and then see you're not even doing the science. Drake said he was gonna bring Calicos to the Alamo. And there's a movie theater in the Alumn in Brooklyn called Alamo that showed fade to Black one day.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's what they're trying to tie. Okay, okay, yeah, no, we just don't need that. Like I don't that I don't. I don't be tolerated to know jay Z slander. Man, that's that's my that's my goal. I just don't and I get it, man, you know, I think that people are you know, you have some of the greats.

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Speaker 1: People always try to find a chink in their armor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it has to be when nobody's perfect, right, So you need to find whatever you can to be like, oh, you know, but.

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Speaker 6: And like you said, I just think we're in the content space. Like I just literally went like semi viral because Mike took something I said on boulet keV and just put a whole different caption over it. And if I never saw a tweet, I would have never even what was it like it said reason, says Kendrick Lamar. Kenjick Lamar's poor curation of gn X is the reason for West. Yeah, so it's like I didn't say nothing like that, So it's like, that's just what content. I literally didn't say anything like that, Like literally in the video, I didn't say anything like that. But that's just where content they pulled to make you say that it was a clip. And so what they do is they take longer clips. That way they know if somebody clicks on the video they see three minutes say like I'm not watching that and I'm just gonna take whatever they say, and then they put a different caption, But basically me and Kevin was having a conversation about how the West sound is not popular nationwide. You get what I'm saying, Like, it's not popular nationwide, And I said, I love gen X, It's one of my favorite albums. It's probably two or three for me, which is how his discography. And cav ask me why he didn't feel like usually when album is that successful, the sound travels and then other people like that sound. You get what I'm saying, And that's been a thing in history. And I told him, I said, the artists that were on it didn't necessarily like it can't just be dot like other artists would have had to follow up after that with the same sound and and make moments and be successful. And I just said, some of the artists that.

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Speaker 5: Were on it didn't.

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Speaker 6: They they're not as consistent in their business and dropping music and stuff like that, so the sound couldn't travel because they're not following up afterwards, and you know, making moments. You have your artists like a z Hike shout out to Chike Wally sense. There's artists on there that are really dope in there.

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Speaker 1: They're going.

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Speaker 2: Probably my favorite, yeah, my favorite future, Shyke is fire, Shrike is fire.

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Speaker 6: Look forward to Yeah, him and Wally and this is no even though they might take it away, there's no just to any of the other artists. I just think that when you have a moment like that, you got to start getting your ducks in a row. Yeah, and I don't think everybody got their ducks in a row and started to So that is what I was saying in the video, and then it came out reason says Kim Mar's poor curation of gn X is there, But that's what I said.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting point of that sound traveling or not. I feel like the Bay Area La sound that kind of like mashed together. And this this era is so specific to y'all that if somebody else did it, it would look too much like Biden. Now, Like if you got a bunch of records that sounded like not like us after it'd be like, what do you guys.

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Speaker 6: It don't have to sound just like not like us? But you got to think about when Muster was going crazy, it was niggas from all over the planet on mustard beats, Like I'm different. It is two chains, that's a West coast, so there's it's possible for West Coast music to travel. You just have to have multiple moments, Like it can't just be one moment of a popular sound having a moment and then it goes away. It gotta be Dot go and then this nigga go and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like a that's literally what it's like. You go, you go, you go, you go.

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Speaker 6: And if all the music is good, well then now you'll have niggas from the South being like yo, who made that, Oh load of great made that I want to go? Fucked Loder Gray or Jar made that I want to go. You get what I'm saying, Like, you'll have that. But because it was just dot and then not that, not much after that, it didn't travel.

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Speaker 5: So you look at it like.

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Speaker 6: If boogie was on that, then boogie drops after that. We know we know how fire boogie is, so we know that that's going to be you know what it is and other things. So that's not not goause that's job is to make a good album. I love that album, So I think he did his job. I was just more saying that it has to be more moments behind it for for the sound to really go.

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Speaker 1: The job of the rest of the guys from the cold. That's it.

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Speaker 6: That's kind to adapt that sound, Yeah, make it their own, put their own you know, identity to that, and then then go have their moment, you know what I'm saying, and then grow their fan base outside of l A and then next thing, you know, the sound is what it was because when Muster was going crazy, it was everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Everybody had Mustard, but Mustard is like his sound had a more pop field. It had the Bay bounce to it and the l A sense to it, but it was pop music.

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Speaker 1: Gn G, that is a West Coast nigga who sound was popped.

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Speaker 2: It was a more fuller West Coast sound. Gn X to me and We're getting really Nerdy was very stripped down, minimalistic West Coast shit. It wasn't as digestical as all like, because your TV is the most digestive song and it's the Mustard one where the rest of the stuff is very very minimal West Coast shit.

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Speaker 1: That I just don't.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're not from the West Coast, you look corny getting on that type of shit.

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Speaker 6: Don't necessarily, but like Squabble Up is like like West Coast for show, like all the way all the way through Squabble Up is uh.

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Speaker 1: Peaks, all of them.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're very stripped down in minimal West Coast piece. Whereas Mustard was giving you rap pop records, it just happened to have a West Coast I actually.

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Speaker 6: Feel like it was the like I feel like Mustards like Beats were very bare, like they didn't have a lot of a ton of musicality to it. But that's part of also like he's a little like West Coast. Yeah, you get what I'm saying. I feel like Dot be having like jazz niggas in the studio and shit, and so that can sometimes pull from some of the West Coast sound a little bit, not saying.

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Speaker 5: A lot, but like a little bit.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I just I just really think it's.

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Speaker 5: Just about like having more moments.

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Speaker 6: Outside of that, I think more and more niggas have to follow up and like hit records and not saying they had to be a hit, but like get good records, good projects, good moments. You get what I'm saying, Like Drick did what he was supposed to do and he get a moment, He created a moment, created a good body of work and then he handed the baton to a lot of niggas that nobody heard of. You know what I'm saying, and that's you can't really act no more of that. You get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, they've been clipping up Kev' stuff. And I don't want to make this like the complex media as shit, but you've done a lot of press with a lot of people that were on that list, and I always feel like Bootleg Keev should be higher.

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Speaker 1: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Is it more annoying to go to outlets that are less like Bootleg cav because you know you're going to actually have good music conversations with you? Have you found it to be odd where you kind of have to as an artist chase some of the press. It's going to be a little like a little messy and a little like, to.

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Speaker 6: Be honest with you, I was like, you've had moments before where people I don't do a messy press no more. I have my moment I don't no more niggas any nigga. That's coe ow. I'm cool. You get what I'm saying, Like, I don't want no more moments.

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Speaker 2: I always say like me and are messy, But shout out to a d love it, loved it. Can it can bring some West Coast mess when you go over there.

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Speaker 6: For I saw a video literally this morning where t Rail was on there talking to his wife and he calling her a bitch and she talking about fucking Little Wayne, and I'm crazy to I don't. I don't care because I don't have a relationship with them, so I'll say whatever I want.

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Speaker 5: But like there's a clip where.

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Speaker 6: Like he like, she talking about how she could have fucked Little Wayne and could have had rap niggas and she chose Trail and t Rel like, bitch gets your ship off. I'm like, you niggas are insane? Are insane? That was a real conversation.

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Speaker 5: Conversation he was.

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Speaker 1: He was also hitting on Kaitling Cole in.

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Speaker 5: Front of his way is a real conversation.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to sit down with no niggas got to talk about their wife like that, Sue Men, I think that you mad at me. I don't give a fuck. I don't know that that had to be they they have to. I might got the clip, but you don't know their love language. You can't judge people in that regard.

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Speaker 4: You man hold on let me take me down with your wife and your wife telling you I could have fucked little Wayne.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they won't play that way. Nah, we not.

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Speaker 4: That ain't role playing. I don't give a fuck which script you think you're talking about. Man, you can't tell me no shit like that with cameras rolling with cameras.

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Speaker 6: Bro.

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Speaker 5: But it's like that's that's the culture. Like the culture is.

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Speaker 6: Like you know what I mean, And they're gonna be mad at me, but I don't give a fuck, But like that's what the culture is. Like they just like it's it's whatever I'm about to text you to clip. But yeah, it's like that shit crazy to me, bro, And I'm just like, I don't I don't want to sit down with niggas like that, like when everything's on the table, when anything's on the.

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Speaker 1: Table, when we can talk, when we can say anything.

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Speaker 5: Man, we can we could catch up.

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Speaker 4: Later, yeah, because if you can sit down with your wife and talk like that, there's nothing you can't.

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Speaker 6: I'm cool, like I with eighty that's my nigga to pun is my dog. But yeah, Bro, it's just it's a lot.

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Speaker 7: And he was like, I'm in Texas, Okay, I'm going to meet you here, but I had already had plans that I was meeting Little Wayne, so I had to like, oh yeah, sorry, I'm wow.

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Speaker 3: So you was going you know what I'm saying, back back, back back, I took Little Wayne, bitch.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, how was the number one nigga?

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Speaker 7: But Terrell had the personality and he had he made He actually talked to me. I was talking to the number one nigga of this ship. I'm telling you, I fucking tron.

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Speaker 5: Stay down.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. I could have had my way with any fucking rapper.

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Speaker 7: I'm wanted nigga with anybody, but I chose around.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I told you, I chose my heart and this think of me. So basically, you were trashing your bit. I don't think I'm gonna tell you this. I was supposed to go up stairs and fuck lit Wayne, but I didn't. NA marry your best friend, that's what they said.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: That's how best friends talks with you. Na, you just don't need to talk about that. I can't remember both of them. They're both they're a lovely couple.

00:21:35
Speaker 4: But my best friend is never talking to me like that.

00:21:38
Speaker 6: That's how the Marge thought.

00:21:43
Speaker 1: Little Wayne.

00:21:44
Speaker 7: She dragged it a little bit on that she should have just left it at the beginning.

00:21:46
Speaker 5: I think she.

00:21:47
Speaker 6: I think she felt away about him calling her a bitch, and so she like, you know what I mean, she kind of just had the one up and yeah, but my point is.

00:21:54
Speaker 4: That I'm the household. No, no, no, we're not skipping over that. Your household is never the same after that conversation.

00:22:00
Speaker 7: They've had that conversation before. She didn't just have that conversation. You see how he was like, Noah, let her get her ship off. I'm sure they've had that conversation, but no, they've definitely I'm talking about on camera. On camera. I don't think they care.

00:22:11
Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe I'm getting more mature, because I don't think it's that crazy to say an attractive woman could go fuck little Wayne.

00:22:22
Speaker 4: An attractive woman could fuck little Wayne. Your wife, she know she would.

00:22:28
Speaker 1: It out for.

00:22:29
Speaker 7: I don't think they care.

00:22:31
Speaker 1: I don't like Wayne. It's hard to get to like that. Nobody Wayne holds out. Nobody is saying that. You're saying that.

00:22:40
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, my girl, my wife is never sitting on camera saying I could have fucked Lil Wayne, but I chose to be with this NI againstead My point classic love story, Nah, bro, We're not doing that on camera.

00:22:54
Speaker 6: My point is that I'm moving towards love. I don't want to be in conversations.

00:22:58
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

00:23:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean after I've had my fair I've had my fair share. You get what I'm saying, and I know that. To go back to your original question, I don't really want to sit down in certain You get what I'm saying, Like, I want to sit down there because anything is on the table.

00:23:13
Speaker 5: Anything is on the table. You get what I'm saying.

00:23:15
Speaker 6: And I'm I'm cool with having fun and shit, but I'm also about like pushing the music.

00:23:20
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00:23:26
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00:23:54
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00:24:10
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying.

00:24:11
Speaker 1: You've had some interesting, you know, the last two three years for you.

00:24:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, as far as you know, industry and things like that have been very interesting for you. Have you have you kind of become jaded a little bit with just politics.

00:24:26
Speaker 1: Of music the music business.

00:24:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got really you know, meeting people and working with people, and yeah, taking things more at face value and really thinking that, yo, you know, these are my guys, these are my these are my brothers, these my homies.

00:24:38
Speaker 6: I think I think you just learned over time, like who you have real relationships with and who you don't, and what situations is like love and people just fuck with you and then it's like people just fucking with you for the situation.

00:24:50
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying, So I wouldn't necessarily.

00:24:51
Speaker 6: Say jade, because I'm now at a point where like it don't really bother me. It's like if if I I move, how I want to move, regardless of how you choose to move is how you choose move. So if I fuck with you when I show you love, it's just because I genuinely fuck with you, And even if that love ain't return, I genuinely don't feel no type of way. The only part that I I've been jaded about a little bit during this whole process. It's just like certain narratives you get what I'm saying, like, and that's the part that kind of like like bothers me a little bit, you know what I mean, Like even when you know my my split, it's like, you know, we on both sides try to make that like a's an amicable as possible. Shit just be cool and stuff like that, And there will be narratives out that like oh, like you know, like reason is better because of this, or you know he could have released music, and it's like I just like to let the work show. Like we we've dropped three projects in a year and a half. So if I tu you know what I'm saying. So if I and I feel like me and might spoke about this that was very intentional.

00:25:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I could have been doing this.

00:25:48
Speaker 6: Like because it's I never one thing I stand on is like my character and my work ethic. I never want the narrative to be that I'm somebody that didn't work or that I didn't like put quality and I dropped three quality projects, quality projects mixed with the Dead Apple, mixed with Deluxe Records.

00:26:04
Speaker 5: Mixed with EPs.

00:26:05
Speaker 6: Like, you know, I love that area of my career because it taught me a lot as an artist, and I learned so much and I picked up so much support and so many fans. So I'm forever grateful for it. But I don't like some of the narratives that like went with me leaving like that was. That's the only part I feel like in the industry that I kind of feel away about is that there's narratives that just live out there and it ain't really nothing I can kind of do to fix the narrative.

00:26:28
Speaker 1: Do you think there's more besides just the quote unquote didn't put the work in.

00:26:32
Speaker 5: I think it's a few.

00:26:33
Speaker 6: It's like that didn't put the work in one, the reason got dropped one when it's public that I wanted to go. It's a few more that I don't want to like stir the pot. But you get what I'm saying. But yeah, it's just a few narratives. And it's like, at the end of the day, it was just it's business. It's two entities that wanted different goals and just saw it going different ways. And then when we saw it going different ways, we left. Like it could be that simple. You get what I'm saying. But I also don't completely blame the public because I also have to take accountability for my part. Like the beef happened, and I use the beef to get out of my deal, and so I.

00:27:09
Speaker 5: Make that bed.

00:27:09
Speaker 6: I gotta lay in it, like some people are going to take things that I say a certain way just because I use that to get out of the situation, you know what I mean. So that part of it I got to take accountability for and I just got to be okay with that.

00:27:21
Speaker 1: Was there any fear of being black wolf a little bit?

00:27:25
Speaker 6: But I also feel like the where the where the internet is now, which is so dope. You could just go straight to your people. People that fuck with you, you can go straight to your people. There was a fear of, like, you know, certain platforms won't fuck with me or.

00:27:35
Speaker 5: They won't want to have me on and this and this.

00:27:37
Speaker 6: But luckily I feel like because I've been a solid person and maintain my own relationships, there's a couple of platforms and I could tell it's kind of like not fucking with me. But other than that, it's like it's been it's been pretty much loving you for me.

00:27:50
Speaker 5: I'm not.

00:27:55
Speaker 6: I try.

00:27:59
Speaker 1: They have a relationship with.

00:28:03
Speaker 5: Yeah, Black bought over there, thank god.

00:28:05
Speaker 1: Oh it's crazy.

00:28:08
Speaker 5: I'm sure they would.

00:28:10
Speaker 6: They would still have me up there because it would be the most messiest ship in the world.

00:28:14
Speaker 5: What's what's one day? I go, what's the relationship.

00:28:16
Speaker 4: Though, like on a personal level with like you and a lot of the guys from over there though, because obviously things change professionally for you business wise, but like you know, we say, you know the business, but business can affect personal relationship for sure, for sure, and it does more times than none. But like, what's the what's still the personal relationships?

00:28:38
Speaker 1: Like for you right now? And do you not no longer.

00:28:41
Speaker 4: Have any personal relationships that you kind of like feel away by Damn, I'm mad that me and this person no longer.

00:28:47
Speaker 6: Like I feel like my personal relationships is like when I see niggas, it's love, like I don't never see I mean, I'm in LA. I run into artists from TV all the time, and it's I've never had no weird interaction where somebody want to talk to me or you know what I mean, or avoid I do think it's kind of funny that it's been a couple of times where I've run into I'm not gonna say which artists, but like they about to take a picture of us, and they're like, don't take a picture, but like I'm glad to see you, you get what I'm saying. Like so that part, but I also understand that part of it because it's like, you know, why not take a picture. I just think that, you know, it's about how they want to run their program with how things happen, you know.

00:29:25
Speaker 5: What I'm saying.

00:29:25
Speaker 6: So if their thing is like this is our brand and reason isn't a part of it, I can see them being like, you know, don't take the pic.

00:29:33
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

00:29:33
Speaker 1: That's why, man like I don't fuck the brand like this is my homie.

00:29:36
Speaker 6: I'm just saying like that's I can understand it. It's what I'm saying like it ain't for me. I'm just saying I can I can understand it. You get what I'm saying. I can understand not wanting certain associations like.

00:29:44
Speaker 5: I asked to leave.

00:29:46
Speaker 6: So it's like if you actually leave, you know, this attachment can't be there anymore. You get what I'm saying. And I don't feel no way about that.

00:29:53
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

00:29:54
Speaker 2: I could see if it was a verse or something where it's like maybe there are certain people in that camp that you don't get along with, but a picture of what's up, like I don't think that's that's that crazy.

00:30:08
Speaker 5: I don't know. I do see it differently.

00:30:09
Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not mad at that, you know what I mean, for being like the thing, you know what I'm saying. And on top of that, it's like I never want to fuck nobody's situation up. So it's like if there is a thing where it's like if you do this, it's gonna be this, I would I'm I'd just rather that's not take the pit.

00:30:22
Speaker 4: I get what I'm saying, I understand that, but I mean it's from what I know from this, it's not that deep with I don't like a picture with you, like that's gonna fuck business up with somebody. Yeah, I don't think it's that deep either. I'm just saying, you know what I mean, I don't think it was it was that deep. But overall, though, is are you in a happier place? I'm yeah, I'm super happy.

00:30:43
Speaker 6: Like that's the part of it that like I'm just super thankful for is like I like making music again. Like I was in a space where and I've talked about this before when I made work, when I made Portrait, exactly when I made Portraes, I was depressed, Like I went through a lot of shit that I'm going to talk about on the last color of this color series got to be like the most personal, vulnerable one. But I was just in a bad space and it felt like work. It felt like I was clocking in just to like watch the clock and then leave. And now it's like I'm having fun. My team is like the homies and people that I really fuck with that I know, have my best interest, my money is in a better life to management, and yeah it's a completely clean slate. But I was already rebuilding a new team when we was touring porches. It was basically like my new team plus one person from TD. So I was already kind of like formulating a new team because I knew that I couldn't just go.

00:31:34
Speaker 5: Out there alone.

00:31:36
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's like my my happiness is in a better space, my finance is in a better space. I feel like the music is in a better space. Like this is my favorite album that I've ever you know, made, period, point blank, Like it's in the reception behind this project has been incredible, So I'm super happy. Like I don't have a day where I wake up and regret it. I have days where I wake up and I'm annoyed by saying that I did poor curation and that God did poor poor curation. Days that I wake up and I'm annoyed by ship like that, We're going to cut that up. That's the name of the.

00:32:18
Speaker 2: Dot has your creation photoshop reason as Kendrick, I.

00:32:25
Speaker 5: Wake up annoy you know what I mean?

00:32:26
Speaker 6: At times just because it's like you know, you know, I can't wait to like like I'm trying to build my own thing, and I can't wait to be like currency where people don't even relate him to being signed a little way. And I think that, but that takes a long time. When you're when you did it, you don't even think about it, And so I can't wait for that. And that's just what I'm focusing on, is creating moments, putting my foot on the gas, like you know, we're we're gearing up the next project already, like you know what I mean. So I just want to flood in from music. Yeah, I'm just working NonStop.

00:32:56
Speaker 2: What were some of those Dreamboat Return of the Dreamer session? Is like Dreamville did what I thought was one of the coolest rollouts where they invited everyone to Atlanta Super Cris to put together their collab out that was Return Dreamers.

00:33:08
Speaker 5: Two or three? Three? Yeah, three?

00:33:11
Speaker 2: I thought that was genius and clearly there was a lot of clips in footage.

00:33:14
Speaker 1: What was that?

00:33:15
Speaker 5: Like we like being mav and that for me.

00:33:18
Speaker 6: Was that's still in my career, like the most fun.

00:33:21
Speaker 5: I've ever had, like.

00:33:24
Speaker 6: Like in any part of my career, just because of like I thrive in environments like that where it's like it's very competitive, it's like doggy dog like it's you know, you're talking about walking into session and there are six artists in there and ten producers, and whoever can make the most fire beat and whoever could come up with the verses first, you know win. You get what I'm saying. For the most part, and the nature of it was just super dope. And I got to like build a lot of relationships off of that.

00:33:49
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying.

00:33:50
Speaker 6: And I thought what Cole did was genius, not only for the music but also as a CEO of a label where it sets.

00:33:57
Speaker 5: Up your artists in their career.

00:33:58
Speaker 6: I thought it was super fire because what people don't talk about and that is like Cole literally had and I feel like it Okay, I said this, but Cole literally had like a Dreamville studio in there also where it was like only like Dreamville niggas could be in there and working and when all the bigger, bigger artists came in, even while they're working on songs, he's also pulling them into the room to work with Dreamville artists. So now you're setting up your Dreamville artists that may never get in proximity with this.

00:34:23
Speaker 5: Artist for that artist to have features for.

00:34:25
Speaker 6: Their albums in future work, that can end up being something that benefits their career. And I think as a CEO of a label, that's genius because who's not going to pull up to that session, you know what I'm saying. So you in the room with Ross t I, Chris bosh is in there making beats.

00:34:39
Speaker 1: That was crazy. I do remember seeing.

00:34:45
Speaker 5: Boshes in there making beats.

00:34:45
Speaker 6: I've ember seen that on Twitter and it was kind of fired. Yeah, he was in there, tall as fuck with with have being tall in the studios. Yeah, he was was making making beats like he's making for I.

00:35:00
Speaker 1: Never I never knew that.

00:35:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was making beats.

00:35:02
Speaker 6: He was in the studio and it was there was there was fire like they was dope and so you you know, you it's all these artists coming in and out, young nudies in there. You know, I could go on and on like with all the artists in there and there in proximity with all of the artists, and they in those type of environments, there is no ego. It's nobody like oh while they was in there. I had a song that released with wile A because of that session, and in those type of environments, it's no ego, where like one nigga's like, oh, I can't fuck with you because you this are because.

00:35:28
Speaker 5: We all in the same room, we all on the same level.

00:35:30
Speaker 6: And then they're giving you a chance and hearing you rap you know what I mean, and niggas like, oh you fire, you get what I'm saying.

00:35:34
Speaker 5: So you know, it ended up being really dope. End up being really dope.

00:35:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are like the cooler writer camps to me. Yeah, because you and I did one which was also dream Viot related. What movie was that for?

00:35:45
Speaker 5: Creed?

00:35:46
Speaker 1: For Creed?

00:35:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, And this wasn't a Dreamville thing, this was a Lionsgate whatever.

00:35:52
Speaker 1: And they just brought eb on to do and they printed out.

00:35:55
Speaker 2: A sheet for everyone of like the topics you should be writing about, and it was like loyalty and.

00:36:00
Speaker 6: Strength and it's like perseverance. You got to use these words in this. I was in there, pussy and jewelry, loyal.

00:36:16
Speaker 2: When we walked in like you to get your you know, your picture taken and to fill out all the ship which I'm probably breaking right now. And then they handed me a sheet I'm like, yo, what the fuck it?

00:36:29
Speaker 5: It was kind of crazy. Some good music that came out of that too, though.

00:36:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ship, I still the record the one you Buy You and baby Tape and Baby Tait that Ship.

00:36:37
Speaker 1: I still want to use that. That That was one of my favorite.

00:36:39
Speaker 5: I wonder if I me.

00:36:42
Speaker 1: He Already and Drew from.

00:36:43
Speaker 2: They did a great record, like a lot of really cool You and Cos did like seven records, like seven joints.

00:36:48
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did, we got We did a joint card Champion withhe Ari Lennox, I did a joint with Cause j I d plus made the beat Who's On then Aaron Ray. That record is super super crazy. I would love to be able to put that right. Yeah, a lot of good music came out of that too. Yeah I did. I did get in that camp too. I smoked that camp too. I think I had like two joints Atlanta on the project.

00:37:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:37:09
Speaker 2: It's fun to also kind of just watch those writing camps of like who's really talented and.

00:37:16
Speaker 1: Who That's my favorite part.

00:37:18
Speaker 2: My favorite Quiet, like the pettiness of me Quietly my favorite The biggest artist was Quiet not doing over there like ocause you need you need a couple of you know it, don't feel comfortable locked the door and then nigga.

00:37:33
Speaker 1: Not till you get.

00:37:34
Speaker 4: Niggas in the gym, you'd be like this nigga got no off, Like the same screams for you. You ain't got no bag, nigga, you can't get your own shot.

00:37:47
Speaker 2: But also you see the opposite too, because that was the first time I had been in the studio with Baby Tape and she.

00:37:52
Speaker 1: Was room to room writing nigga tastes same versus in five minutes and then walking out and.

00:37:57
Speaker 6: Then going to the next room and get nice niggas like fro beat ship the Atlanta. Uh No, where's Tate from? I don't think she's from Atlanta. I don't think she's from Atlanta. But Tate is fucking nice. He's so talented, like nice, sing yesther fingers from Atlanta. I genuinely thought she was from somewhere else. But Tate is like dumb nice, stupid nice. Tate is super nice, like she was out wrapping right.

00:38:23
Speaker 5: He's he's a.

00:38:24
Speaker 6: Friend of y'all on the show to uh singer, why am I blanking on his name?

00:38:29
Speaker 1: Drake?

00:38:31
Speaker 2: Drake was not at the Cree writing with with Drake.

00:38:38
Speaker 1: No he was.

00:38:40
Speaker 6: He was like, was like he wasn't sending no picture.

00:38:52
Speaker 1: Michael B was like, I don't know what we're talking about.

00:38:54
Speaker 6: It was I'm blanking on his name, and I'm I'm trashed for blanking on his name because he's a big deal. But he'd be wearing like the he dressed a rock star but he a singer. Fuck, I'm blanket. He's on the project though. Yes, stupid nice John was that that.

00:39:08
Speaker 5: I don't want that.

00:39:09
Speaker 6: You were there for a while. Yeah, I was there for like four days, but Saint John was there. Saint Johnny's stupid nice always. My favorite artists in those sessions are the rapper that acts like he's writing his verse but he got twelve verses already and he just plugging and playing and he just he's sitting there like he's coming up with it.

00:39:26
Speaker 1: And then he going there and you had that for three and he wrapped twenty four.

00:39:29
Speaker 6: Bars and I'm just like, and then I look on La Leakers in the twenty four bars. Yeah, it's like, that's my favorite rappers. Red come on, Red Rose, White Sealing, Yeah, nothing but painting blood, selling a chucky but that's you know, but that's what that's because the before the end of you could get that off.

00:39:48
Speaker 1: You know, Bro, I don't getting that's what they that's what they're doing.

00:39:51
Speaker 6: I don't feel no way about chuck railroads, white ceiling.

00:39:54
Speaker 5: That's like, that's what the ara niggas got.

00:39:56
Speaker 4: But it's just right because now that the Internet is yeah, none of this things could take them past.

00:40:00
Speaker 1: Them all together.

00:40:01
Speaker 4: Like yo, he took that same verse to thirty different CITs.

00:40:05
Speaker 2: To me, it was really game in the parking lot when that kid was freestyling the game, pretending like he went on.

00:40:10
Speaker 4: You didn't know what let me say, yeah he said, he said what I say what I said when I say cutting off.

00:40:17
Speaker 6: My favorite the service poon. My favorite is Kobe Bryant. Okay, when I'm wearing my black mamas, I be in a come on, Chuck, get your ship off, Chuck, come on man, but top whatever.

00:40:32
Speaker 2: For so many freestyles that ended up being songs of artists that want, Yeah, when you're pretending like you freestyling.

00:40:39
Speaker 5: I'm okay with that. I'm completely okay with that. Niggas. We niggas pretend, Oh man, Chuck, get your ship off.

00:40:45
Speaker 2: You know how the Elastic songs when they went to Tim Westwood in London, Like no one's.

00:40:47
Speaker 6: Gonna yeah this is this for them and then that's the go viral like.

00:40:54
Speaker 1: In two thousand and seven. That's funny. What what are some of your favorite.

00:40:58
Speaker 6: Producers that were at some of those kings Elite Lovely plus from Uh I think he's with ear drummers if I'm right, Plus super Crazy, omen omen is also yeah, he put a lot of people now that he producers. Also omen was super Fire col Banks, he was from you know, from the camp, but cow Banks is always one of my favorite producers. Trying to think it was a lot of dope niggas mes uh, trying to think, I don't want to leave nobody off and then like niggas like you had a chance to shot.

00:41:30
Speaker 5: Me out, But it was.

00:41:30
Speaker 6: It was a lot of really really dope niggas in there. That was fire uh s one super crazy just like le I don't think that one winch Dream Camp, but I know they played a packet yeah.

00:41:47
Speaker 5: Everything, Yeah, yeah, he can do everything. He can do everything.

00:41:49
Speaker 6: Man's is super nice. He's just an incredible like creative creative. Yeah, he's just.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just he just like sitting on Mad Features with cold bro, Bro, I don't know what mes like drop drop, Like I don't I don't understand when I found.

00:42:04
Speaker 1: Out that was his first time directing that COVID.

00:42:06
Speaker 6: First time directing that video, bro, like the first time directed anything.

00:42:12
Speaker 4: They didn't even know the language to use on set, Like he was like, I just want you to make the camera go like this, and that's what you came up with.

00:42:20
Speaker 1: Like that, that just lets you know the type of brains.

00:42:22
Speaker 5: Is super he's super nice, bro, super nice.

00:42:25
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, he's a dope.

00:42:26
Speaker 6: Credit but yeah, there's a lot of talented niggas. And then, like Rory said, you know, you meet some people and you like, damn, like you know your career has gone a certain way, but you not really like yeah, yeah, like, well i think I'm better than a lot of niggas, but that's just my confidence.

00:42:39
Speaker 1: That was something that.

00:42:41
Speaker 4: When Cole and his press run and you know, he said, you know, I don't think I'm better than I think. That was the first time we saw a rapper rap say that, because as as a rapper, you know who they're really better than, Yeah, but you don't ever actually say it.

00:42:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm not better than but.

00:42:57
Speaker 6: I think they also kind of people also kind of took out a context what he was saying, Like he wasn't saying that these niggas are better than me. What he was saying was that there's when you get to a certain level of penmanship, on any given day, a nigga can get you.

00:43:12
Speaker 5: That's what he was saying. You get what I'm saying.

00:43:13
Speaker 6: It's like, on any given day, like I'm very very confident in my pen like I personally think I'm like one of the best rappers on the planet period, hands down, But on any given day, a nigga like jig can get me on any given day. Trying to think of another nigga, like a nigga like trying think niggas that's in my peer that I feel like because it's.

00:43:32
Speaker 7: Tough, nigga's so confident, he having a hard time figuring out who.

00:43:35
Speaker 5: I am better in my in my peer class. It's not a lot of niggas that I.

00:43:39
Speaker 1: Feel that way, But Wayne can get you. That was all right, Now, that was just a call back. That was great, Lil Wayne, But.

00:43:48
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I think that's what Cole was saying is that like on any given day, a nigga could jump.

00:43:53
Speaker 1: You know, I just.

00:43:55
Speaker 2: Here because we've heard plenty of rappers that we know are not the best have that confidence in school, whatever sport, you can say that. But somebody that could easily say they're the best, and we're not about to question I think saying I think that's.

00:44:08
Speaker 5: The point behind it.

00:44:08
Speaker 6: Is like a lot of these thinggas just be saying that, Like you know what I'm saying, Like they just be saying that. But if you really like confident yourself to where you don't have to like overdo it, you can be like, oh he got Like I've said that plenty of times on songs. I'd be like, oh yeah, that ain't got a better reverse of mine, Like.

00:44:21
Speaker 2: He got that joke you said on the wing shit Maine said he was the greatest rapper alive and then convinced us afterwards because all like, yeah, yeah, people have selective memory. When he started saying that shit, nobody was out the gate, like of course for sure, he just like, yeah, what the fuck is He just put in the work. He just put in the work and then started we looked like.

00:44:37
Speaker 5: A year and a half.

00:44:39
Speaker 6: He even made Jay said, yeah, came out to show me what you got shit. Hope came out and said it was like all right, like you got it.

00:44:48
Speaker 1: It's high clips high clip, So I.

00:44:50
Speaker 2: Just think you have to prove that for it to matter. But Cole saying that, I don't know, it was a little bit of a letdown.

00:44:56
Speaker 1: I get.

00:44:56
Speaker 6: I think it was a letdown because of everything surrounding it, because of the whole apology and stuff like that. I think it was left but I did. I didn't feel that way about it, And I'm not like caping for him. I didn't feel I understood what he was saying. Like he talked about niggas, Black Thought and Lupe Fiasco, like I think cold.

00:45:10
Speaker 5: I think for the last six years.

00:45:11
Speaker 6: Cole has been the best pen on the planet, period, point blank. But I also know that if they in a studio session, like Loupe can get cold on a random day, like I know Black Thought can get yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like I know Drake can get cold on around No Dot can get cold on a random day. So you know, I think that's more of what he was saying. But we just had a time now where everything is being dissected when it's coming from you know that situation dissected clipped, you get what I'm saying, like narrative, Like you know what I'm saying, Like you didn't say it, you said it, you said it, you know what I'm saying, Like I just but I didn't. I didn't feel a way about it. But I do understand what you're saying, Like why people felt that way? But coldpin is like nasty.

00:45:48
Speaker 2: Don't let someone stand next to cold with a hard drive. All of a sudden, we have it dissecting conversation.

00:45:53
Speaker 6: All of a sudden.

00:45:56
Speaker 5: Friday night life.

00:45:58
Speaker 1: Have you been in a session and seeing someone else right for somebody else?

00:46:02
Speaker 6: And I've written for niggas and sessions that I was just talking about that off camera, that it's an album that came out like two years ago, that when it drove goes Oh, I wrote three those nobody called me. I'm like, damn, niggas could have called me. Did you like hit their team to be like, don't care.

00:46:16
Speaker 2: I got a feature? Okay, it fair enough? Did you think that person needed help? Like did that shock you?

00:46:22
Speaker 1: When you yes? Had to shock me?

00:46:24
Speaker 5: That shocked me? Yeah, that shocked me but it's like.

00:46:27
Speaker 1: I thigga's talking to colds. He said, what were you're talking to? Question? You're talking to colds? No, you don't.

00:46:33
Speaker 6: Know who I'm talking about, you don't, Yeah, but he just you know, I'm not gonna say the name, but he asked me. Shock shocked me because like, this is like a nigga that could really rap rap and I don't think he needed it, but it happened. You get what I'm saying, Like, and like you know what I mean, Like he fucked with the ideas and he took them and then the album came out. But so I was just shocked because I'm just like, damn, my niggas ain't say nothing.

00:46:53
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying. But I just used it and spun the block. Got a feature.

00:46:59
Speaker 1: Now they're going to the featureless.

00:47:00
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:47:03
Speaker 4: Through that means whenever that drop we're talking about, Yeah, that's exactly told about.

00:47:11
Speaker 1: But all you've been in sessions? Have you seen?

00:47:13
Speaker 2: Because that's happened with someone that I considered could rap rap and yeah I had to help, which shocks me a lot. Any sessions that I've ever been in, which was fine though it was collaboration.

00:47:26
Speaker 5: Why are you telling people about our sessions, any.

00:47:30
Speaker 6: Sessions that I've ever cut a lot of your bars down the reason when reason find out slow.

00:47:36
Speaker 1: Bars out of a reason verse one like that float.

00:47:39
Speaker 6: It's just like this, nigga find the nicest way to come here, like this is this ship fire but like this section, we could do it.

00:47:47
Speaker 5: We could do you know, I feel like it's nice, but we could just.

00:47:50
Speaker 1: Get right to buzz Where's like it won't funk with the progression.

00:47:54
Speaker 6: The energy in this don't matter anything other than niggas shut the fun up like some.

00:47:58
Speaker 5: Just wrapping for the way, you know what I mean.

00:48:01
Speaker 4: Like, so, is there anybody that you're looking forward to working too that you probably feel like, you know, because of things that happened, it probably won't happen.

00:48:09
Speaker 6: I want us to do more records with cal Banks. That's probably not gonna happen. I think said that though, because the business like he's signed a TD, Like I'm not get it. I'm not paying that that note that they they're gonna send over for that, Like I'm not.

00:48:23
Speaker 1: Charging for that.

00:48:24
Speaker 6: Yes now, yes, but so certain nigga shouldn't be charging for the first No, kW Banks and producer. I'm that wanted his beats. So you gotta like you're gonna pay your producers. I get that, Yeah, to hit you over the head though, I mean, cal Banks make a lot of money per beat. I would want a homey discount. I want to you know what I mean. And you don't think that that's there no more, No, it's not gonna be there. But cal Banks a whole lot to work with. Cal Banks, Rock Me and Rock had a bunch of records that have never come out now, which I hate because that's my favorite artist from TD. And we made a lot of really really dope records. Who made a record called Government Jesus Fire A lot of a lot of love this record, Yeah, super Fire. So we got a lot of records that I would have loved to put out, but it's probably not gonna happen. And then, sir, those will probably be like the three and Ravn Rayvon, Me and Ravon got a lot of records that won't come out. Me and Rayvaughn was like kind of working on like a full EP, just kind of like sporadically, and so those won't come out, But what.

00:49:20
Speaker 2: Do you think you could use those songs? And just maybe though on the government. She should Jay Rocks versus crazy super crazy. Yeah, So I hear why you would not want to put it out without Yeah, but some of those would you.

00:49:32
Speaker 6: I would like me and me and Ray got what is that shit called it's called like battery. I think I would use that if I was able to use it. So it's a couple of them. It's a couple of them. But me and Rage has made a lot of really dope uh records with a lot of energy to them. And I feel like, are we worked the same? Like we work super fast, We don't overthink things. We kind of, you know, just move through things. And I feel like me and Ray could have put out a lot of really really dope music, you know what I mean. We could have We could have really function it up. And so I I do hate that that will never be a thing, you know what I'm saying. Could you at least squash the beef between Baby Dean and Ray Bo. It's just for the coach, for the coach, for the culture. They still got on y'all still got ongoing beef.

00:50:11
Speaker 7: I don't have beef with no niggas from the West Coast.

00:50:13
Speaker 1: God bless ya.

00:50:14
Speaker 4: Yes, because you're my nigga, and I got beef with the nigga from the West Coast.

00:50:18
Speaker 1: You're talking about it now.

00:50:19
Speaker 7: You don't got beef when I got beef, right, mother.

00:50:23
Speaker 4: Hey look, we don't know what this is coming out though, so we can't even say that out.

00:50:28
Speaker 6: I can't see that. We can't see that. Yeah, but yeah, me and me and Ray we made a lot of dope ship. We talked about doing La Lakers situations together like it.

00:50:35
Speaker 5: Would have been fire. It would have been fired.

00:50:36
Speaker 1: Why you let Rave Won check our temperature like that.

00:50:39
Speaker 6: Y'all go the nigga y'all walk around and that motherfucker with his chest out.

00:50:43
Speaker 5: I heard that.

00:50:43
Speaker 6: You know, y'all was closing the crowd in so that he couldn't see y'all and ship, Like, what do he saying on the thing? He check y'all energy? Yeah, and it wasn't the same when he pulled up Big Ray, Big Ray Wip, mister Ray Whipper, Big Ray, and y'all.

00:50:57
Speaker 5: Energy was all the way different. I'm the West Coast nigga.

00:50:59
Speaker 6: Pull up and talk to your niggas and your stare your niggas in your eyes and talk to you niggas.

00:51:03
Speaker 1: I mean this very non cond It was a very lovely gentleman. It was one of the nicer people. It was a nice everything just nice.

00:51:13
Speaker 4: In that moment, I was just reminded of the Internet, man, like you gotta you gotta know when it's real life and it's the Internet, and it's like, all right, I get it. I'm pretty sure who Cogan saw Macho man backstage and it was all love and then wuts the fucking bell rang.

00:51:27
Speaker 1: You hit me with a chill like what.

00:51:30
Speaker 6: You're saying with ja and gas like he told me that he was coming to check your niggas energy and the energy wasn't there when my.

00:51:39
Speaker 1: Energy was always the same where I go, any room I go with, I know you press your energy is also crazy about it was filmed.

00:51:49
Speaker 5: I'm not doing this man, I'm.

00:51:50
Speaker 6: Not niggas taking like I'm shout out to Ray.

00:52:00
Speaker 1: Y'all joint ep I was. I'm trying to dead to beat bring up him punking. You'll no, he punked me and more so, there's no beat. He checked us. We done. I'm trying to me getting punked as a grown man. Hilarious. That is the funniest in the world.

00:52:12
Speaker 4: And at a media room out a media room, crazy, how hard did Joey Badass back to the kick Daylights?

00:52:20
Speaker 1: That we heard nothing from Day? Where is Daylight? A? Have you spoken to him? Is he cool? He don't even play basketball all he's supposed to that.

00:52:27
Speaker 6: I've just seen Day seen him back in La Finished. I ain't seen him. I'm just saying I don't. He used to show us clips after the battle. It's like, damn, they like, no, you don't play ball? No, man, even like, what's up with day Man? He all right, I don't know.

00:52:41
Speaker 1: You don't speak to him.

00:52:42
Speaker 5: I haven't spoken to Day. I haven't spoken to Day.

00:52:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my nigga man. Hopefully he good? Man? Whatever is that? Whatever he's doing?

00:52:48
Speaker 2: With artists having to do so much other ship out out of just making projects, would you ever enter a U r L type arena?

00:52:55
Speaker 6: That was actually on my bucket list when I first like, when I first first got.

00:53:00
Speaker 5: Signed, all my bucket list was to do a U are O battle.

00:53:02
Speaker 6: I think I would still do it, but right now I'm just like I'm That was when I was having three year gaps and projects. I would have had time to, like, you know, really map it out. I would have to, really, because that ship that's the best. Those are the best lyricists on the planet. And so but I had a list of niggas that I wanted to like go against if I did do it, and I still would want to do it one day if its outside of the obvious A list, A list ones.

00:53:26
Speaker 2: Because you have to do a few battles before you got there. What would be something to.

00:53:30
Speaker 6: Do a few battles before I get All you gotta do is just going internet talking of ship if you build up a fight quick enough, all right, so Dislux right now, let's try to get this I'm not to get.

00:53:41
Speaker 5: I don't want to know.

00:53:43
Speaker 6: You can't start with it's a progression.

00:53:46
Speaker 5: It's a certain I don't like like would I would?

00:53:48
Speaker 6: I would battle Charlie Clips, not because he's not nice but no, I know, but because there's a chance that he might not take me serious and only show over one round. So if I win, then that's that's big bragging points. So I would do battle Clips. I would battle hit Man, I would battle wouldn't battle Rock, wouldn't battle Serf, I wouldn't battle Lux. Outside of those three, I probably like battle pretty much anybody else and it I wouldn't battle nitty.

00:54:15
Speaker 5: I wouldn't battle nitty. Niggas is too nice. I'm not gonna win.

00:54:19
Speaker 6: He's stupid nice Yeah yeah, Like Rock is my favorite and I think he's stupid nice. Lux is a god, and I bettle Mook if I have to change, but that one, I wouldn't be able to just battle, but I would battle Moo.

00:54:29
Speaker 5: I better move.

00:54:30
Speaker 1: I took that Moo hate personally just now.

00:54:33
Speaker 5: Nah, I just think that Mook.

00:54:35
Speaker 1: You don't think move is in the same conversation as.

00:54:37
Speaker 6: It's not about the conversations about styles, like I don't think Mook's pen is where the other people's pen is that I named. It's just angles with Mook. And I feel like I do angles well like a story tell my prospective rap like I feel like I do angles well.

00:54:49
Speaker 2: But does it he does the best where it could come across the simplicity compared to somebody like.

00:54:54
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's simple.

00:54:58
Speaker 6: I just think that it's it fits my style of writing, yeah better, Like I think my style of writing fits with mook style of writing better. So I would like that battle I'm not saying I would win. I'm just saying these are battles I would be interested in. I'm not interested in battling.

00:55:09
Speaker 5: Looks on no Way, no planet, no Land.

00:55:14
Speaker 1: That very clear. I'm not interested in not on my vision.

00:55:19
Speaker 5: Board, it's not it's there's nowhere.

00:55:21
Speaker 6: Yeah, but these are niggas that like I would, I would be excited about it. I'm not saying I would win, but those niggas I would be excited about battling. I'll be excited about battling.

00:55:28
Speaker 2: I wonder if anyone likes Smack or or any of those platforms have ever reached out to rappers, like if you and Jid just decided yeah, no beat, like do it in the same type that arena, that of your You're not going against battlerappers, you're going against.

00:55:44
Speaker 1: Your your peers that music.

00:55:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can see why it's a sounding ones.

00:55:51
Speaker 2: I know you view your pen, but there's a lot to lose for someone that's just making music to go into an arena and get.

00:55:57
Speaker 1: Smoked that way.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: When I think in the Internet, like at this point, if you lost, if you put out a good song the next day, no one's gonna cat But ego gets in a way.

00:56:05
Speaker 5: Of a lot of really really dope things.

00:56:06
Speaker 6: It's the same thing with like the NBA in the one on one competition, like one on ones will be so fire, it should be something.

00:56:11
Speaker 5: And that don't mean that.

00:56:12
Speaker 6: A nigga's better than you and basketball because he beat you on a one because basketball is a five on five. But egos get involved. Egos get involved in features, Like Joey just tweeted something about that. Where he was tweeting, I thought he using cold as an example wasn't really accurate, but he was basically tweeting that, Like there's a lot of artists that like certain collabs and features don't happen because the ego and where he comes from is like he didn't been on records with the best spinners, and it's like, you know, we just rap and whoever get the best that day, they get in and you move on. I think that's the way to look at it when you talking about like progressing hip hop, like I feel like hip hop is in it's kind of in the space it is. I'm talking about this on the Dead Apple with New York, Like I feel like New York the legends love him, to death.

00:56:51
Speaker 5: But they didn't.

00:56:51
Speaker 6: They didn't pass the baton the way that they should have passed the baton. Like they they don't be working with artists. Niggas only want to work vertically or horizontally and never like what vertically up and down we can give it, what's saundah And I don't subscribe to that. That's why I work with the Kaikashes and the Ruben Vincent's and you know, the Eman Nunez and all the time. But I work with them because that's the only way. And I'm not saying I'm the biggest artist, but that's the only way for the shit the revolving door to keep spinning, you know what I'm saying.

00:57:17
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01:00:27
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely an ego thing.

01:00:28
Speaker 4: Why Jed is not on any of the cold songs on this album or the mixtape that he put up. Nobody can't convince me otherwise you don't have an artist, you know, you know, I disagree with you don't have an artist sound to you, that's that dope that can rap.

01:00:40
Speaker 1: I'm doing a concert. You don't have my twenties and my third What about not there for my What about the mixtape?

01:00:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, one's on nobody's on the mixtape. This nigga was just Grammy nominated. He should be on something.

01:00:51
Speaker 4: Your artist is nominated for retch Album of the Year and he's not on nothing.

01:00:54
Speaker 6: But you have to see it from the perspective of like his like you don't features. They don't really have no features, damn mare like. I think that that's one of the knocks you future futures doing a hook.

01:01:08
Speaker 1: Jen can do hooks too. Have you not heard his album?

01:01:12
Speaker 5: No, you're right, I think very highly. Jit.

01:01:14
Speaker 6: I just I don't think it was ego with that thing. I think it's a constant album. I think he saw a certain way. I think Cole has done.

01:01:20
Speaker 4: So many and Tim's on his album and probably somebody else that we missing, but he didn't see his artist that is Grammy nominally.

01:01:26
Speaker 6: Has a rap verse on Cole's album. Who has a rap verse on Col's album? What about them? I'm just saying, what about the mixtape before the album there's no features on the mixtape.

01:01:35
Speaker 4: It should have been. That's what I'm trying to tell you. My artist that is a rapper, that's dope, is Grammy nominated for.

01:01:43
Speaker 2: Where we disagree is when he did all the Return of the Dreamers albums like you can never say Cole has not tried to put on for every artist that's ever been signed to dream Boo like he did that, like I'm have one for himself.

01:01:56
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying that, bro, I'm saying to.

01:01:58
Speaker 2: Stop his career plenty of times to get on. I'm saying, how many songs you I'm twenty something.

01:02:04
Speaker 6: Mars says, can't get a Mars says.

01:02:09
Speaker 4: Terrible j Cole had a terrible curation of the fall of Jed should have been on that album.

01:02:15
Speaker 6: I would have liked to see to see Jed on the album, but I don't would have I don't think it's an ego thing. I would have loved that, but I just that's.

01:02:22
Speaker 5: The part I don't agree. But I don't think it's an ego thing.

01:02:24
Speaker 6: I would have loved to see Jed on that album, and I think Jed can rap with anybody on the planet.

01:02:28
Speaker 5: I just don't feel like it's an ego.

01:02:30
Speaker 4: Do you think anybody else that's an artist of that magnitude who has an artist like Jed signed to them at the time and that artist is Grammy nominated, is not going to be on their next.

01:02:38
Speaker 6: Album depending on the concept that album at the timing of y'all love.

01:02:42
Speaker 4: Sticking to that word concept, Bro, Nigga should have had Jed on that vision board on his concept album. He should have thought about Jed in one of his concepts. He said, you know who will sound crazy, right man, This nigga that I'm signed, that I signed that's currently Grammy nominated.

01:02:56
Speaker 1: He would sound crazy right here.

01:02:58
Speaker 4: Nah, But I'm gonna put Tim's right here by the home ones and then we're gonna give his features incredible. I'm not saying it's not. But Jed is not just a rapper.

01:03:06
Speaker 1: He said.

01:03:07
Speaker 6: He can see, he can, he can hold a melody, he can he can flow like, he can do a bunch of different things.

01:03:12
Speaker 5: He can fit, you can do everything.

01:03:14
Speaker 7: I'm sure Jied submitted ship for the album, and I'm sure the best things for the album got picked.

01:03:18
Speaker 4: So you're saying j is not dope enough to make that's not what I said. The marriage said that.

01:03:22
Speaker 7: I did not say that said that.

01:03:27
Speaker 4: The marriage said that Jid's execution of his verse was.

01:03:34
Speaker 1: I think you just tried is trash what she said. I'm sure he's submitted over here to Jed.

01:03:42
Speaker 5: That's my nigga. Jay can do everything Jed is.

01:03:45
Speaker 1: He should have been on that generational time. I don't care what. Yeah, I would not be surprised if you.

01:03:50
Speaker 6: Know what I would you know what I would have liked to see on that album I was talking to cause about this, I would have liked to see like a Dreamville record, where like it's gonna sound kind of weird, but every artist is like rapping a verse, but they're all coming in at different times of the verse. But they're telling a story about how Dreamville is created. But it's all the different artists like rapping different parts of the verse, so it almost sounds like there's one voice that's rapping the story of creating Dreamville, but different artists are plugging in, Like I think that would have been fire like when they came in, just the curation of like thinking about making a label and then making the label. So like maybe when he starts talking about signing cads. It's like he's like, and I go to LA and I met this kid and Co's voice comes in rapping the same raps. You know what I'm saying, Like, but like wrapst that party. I just think that would have been dope.

01:04:33
Speaker 1: Instead we got the tupacing Biggie story.

01:04:35
Speaker 6: Hold on Fire, Oh God, that was fire fire.

01:04:39
Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm only objective person on this couch.

01:04:41
Speaker 5: I'm biased. When to come.

01:04:44
Speaker 2: Is great.

01:04:44
Speaker 1: I just yeah, yeah, I know the Biggie and two Bucks star fire, Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So Cole wasn't on Jid's album.

01:04:53
Speaker 6: We're not doing that, Bro, We're not doing They've done a ship ton of records together a video and we're not doing that.

01:04:58
Speaker 4: Shout out to Cold, y'all say this and then and then next next year when it come out that is no longer signed the Dreams Villa. He ain't y'all gonna be like yo, nah, but you know, things happen.

01:05:08
Speaker 1: I'm just calling in.

01:05:09
Speaker 6: That I don't think they they signed there no more that is beef.

01:05:13
Speaker 1: I'm not saying beef. Colon is not an iceman. I don't even know what's going on, man, they're not Grammy nominated.

01:05:23
Speaker 6: I got an issue They're not Grammy nigga wasn't nominated for a Rap Album of the Year.

01:05:29
Speaker 1: It don't get bigger than that, Like, what are you talking about?

01:05:31
Speaker 5: So Roy Woods got to be Grammy nominated to be on ice.

01:05:34
Speaker 4: I'm saying, if Roy Woods is Grammy nominated for Album of the Year and he's not on a Drake album, I.

01:05:39
Speaker 2: Don't think they Smiley wasn't grim number.

01:05:42
Speaker 4: See y'all being funny, cracking jokes, and then and then with Jed sitting down with with with keV next year talking about yeah, you know, ship just got funny over there.

01:05:49
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna look like a prophet.

01:05:51
Speaker 4: Once again to your nigga, Like all right, well go ahead, get your ship off again over there. Man, I'm feeling like a prophet when we were the first hate ship wind to tape.

01:06:03
Speaker 6: I think I think it's it's completely fine.

01:06:06
Speaker 5: I think.

01:06:06
Speaker 1: I don't.

01:06:06
Speaker 6: I haven't talked to Jid about that, but I don't. I don't see it that way. I don't.

01:06:10
Speaker 4: I'm just I know if Jid was on there, he would have it would have been fire bro. He's he's incredible. That's what I'm saying. It's crazy that he's not. But then looking at Jid's album and Colin this, like, damn.

01:06:21
Speaker 5: He's been.

01:06:22
Speaker 6: I'm not saying they haven't worked together. We know that he's been on Ji's albums.

01:06:25
Speaker 1: I know. I'm talking about the album that was just Grammy nominated.

01:06:29
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, gotta be on every single Jed album.

01:06:31
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he do. I'm just saying he's not there.

01:06:33
Speaker 4: And then Cole's most anticipated album, Jed is not there, and the mixtape that he put out before the album.

01:06:39
Speaker 5: Is Nobody was all right, Okay, that's.

01:06:42
Speaker 4: Like thirty songs he could have been on, like thirty songs nowhere, all right, y'all got it?

01:06:47
Speaker 1: No Calico on the Black album?

01:06:50
Speaker 5: Explain it? What was the last Smiley feature, y'all?

01:06:54
Speaker 1: Nam mister Tutt? What's the song with Smiley and Drake party on this?

01:07:00
Speaker 6: To Masa? See you're not to Masa enough. You don't even do not to Masa party on this album.

01:07:04
Speaker 1: I don't know who's on this album? Bro? Well, all right, in most defense, he did just do a joint party off he did.

01:07:09
Speaker 5: He did.

01:07:10
Speaker 6: I was definitely I was definitely full of ship. Yeah, I was definitely full of ship, Yeah.

01:07:14
Speaker 5: For sure.

01:07:14
Speaker 2: But no, I feel like Cole, Kendrick, and Drake have all done well with the features with the artists that were signing them well, I mean, Kendrick was signing TD but still looking out for TV. I think they've all done a.

01:07:26
Speaker 1: Very great job at that.

01:07:28
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think I think he took the whole blueprint and did the same thing for sure. For sure, I agree with that.

01:07:33
Speaker 1: What's up with your.

01:07:34
Speaker 2: West Coast brother, Chris Brown? You ran up in Pitchfork while he was out here in New York.

01:07:39
Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on with Chris Brown. I have no idea what was.

01:07:42
Speaker 2: Going on one point six on Pitchfork. Yeah, that's on Pitchfork. They gotta be trolling, man, everything that. It's kind of it sucks to see what Pitchfork has become because at one point they were like the nerd place that we would go to for actual, real objective. Why people that, actually, we don't have this. It's not like we'll give Ice Spice a nine and Chris Brown.

01:08:08
Speaker 5: On won this album is a piece of ship.

01:08:11
Speaker 1: That and that's just worded like that.

01:08:13
Speaker 2: Outside of what Pitchfork used to be and why we love it now you're trying to keep up with the.

01:08:18
Speaker 6: With like the bullshit blogs and we almost all have actually we almost don't have nothing like that though right now.

01:08:24
Speaker 5: No more like period like, it ain't nothing that's like listen.

01:08:27
Speaker 1: It's out there, it's just not it's not that popular popular.

01:08:30
Speaker 4: I'm saying this album is a real piece of ship. It's fucking crazy. It's crazy. Like I get if y'all don't like the album and so, but to word it that way about one of the greatest artists of his generation and bro, this album is a real piece of ship. We never we haven't seen that about people's who albums are really.

01:08:48
Speaker 5: Pieces of ship. It couldn't be moving towards Levet. No, they r.

01:08:54
Speaker 1: That's what they moved.

01:08:55
Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw that the Ice Spice joint. That was crazy. They gave Ice Pike someven point six, yeah, and they gave like Gods album lower and then somebody was a Colos album lower to Cold album lower.

01:09:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that was crazy.

01:09:06
Speaker 1: Should have had you and listen. I'm not above an extra point. I'm not.

01:09:13
Speaker 2: I'm not above the trolling and the fun ship. But I just don't feel like.

01:09:18
Speaker 5: That got my nigga fucked up?

01:09:20
Speaker 1: Five point three?

01:09:21
Speaker 5: Five point three is crazy.

01:09:22
Speaker 1: What have they given other Cold albums? I don't know.

01:09:25
Speaker 5: I haven't paid attention to Pitchfork in a long time.

01:09:27
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

01:09:28
Speaker 4: I think that that's what they that's why there's one people to start, but they have to do things like this album is a real piece of ship. They gotta do ship because they know people are not really looking at it like that.

01:09:37
Speaker 5: I haven't really paid attention five. That's crazy.

01:09:41
Speaker 2: That's or favorite Cole albums Bryant. Wow, they have kod at six point three.

01:09:48
Speaker 1: Wow.

01:09:49
Speaker 2: I didn't know that the Pitchfork hated Cold like this. Yeah, oh well, now I definitely understand wh Chris Brown is gotting one point six.

01:09:55
Speaker 1: One point h They said this album is a real piece of ship. One point gonna get.

01:10:01
Speaker 5: Out of six that ship is?

01:10:03
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, but that's what That's why, Like nowadays, you just got to go to your people and as long as your people fuck with it, which I haven't really been paying attention to how this album has been received by Chris Brown fans. But as long as your crowd is fucking with it. I think that's the biggest thing that matter. Yeah, because I think Chris Brown, I think he spoke about that, and I think he debuted with seventy thousand first week striking like that.

01:10:24
Speaker 4: He spoke about it. But I mean, listen, bro, when you're packing out stadiums. Yeah, who gives a fuck with pitchforks?

01:10:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what That's what I'm trying to say.

01:10:33
Speaker 1: The week before and then just announced ship.

01:10:35
Speaker 5: Like yeah and Monica low rating.

01:10:40
Speaker 1: What you thought you thought that would be a tend to them?

01:10:42
Speaker 5: I thought it would be God Like. I like that album.

01:10:45
Speaker 1: You like Monica, like Monica.

01:10:46
Speaker 5: I like FU shout out to Jack and Hollywood co. I like Monica. You don't be like Dan serious, I'm not trolling. I like it.

01:10:53
Speaker 7: I listen album he wrote for and he got the swat.

01:10:57
Speaker 1: No, that's that's I wish the reason wrote Monica.

01:11:04
Speaker 4: I would stop podcasting if I ever found out that reason why Monica. Nothing in the universe makes sense anymore. After that, I'm like, you know what, I just don't know what the fuck is going.

01:11:12
Speaker 6: You ain't hearing out my pocket saying if I find out that you wrote that album, Bro, I'm done because it's like, I don't know what's going on anymore.

01:11:19
Speaker 5: I didn't write Monica, have you dated my way up before?

01:11:22
Speaker 2: Because we still don't know why Jack called it, So maybe you were the ghost writer and that's why, and then.

01:11:28
Speaker 1: He called you like, Yo, why didn't you tell me that that was that.

01:11:30
Speaker 5: Was gonna be a thing. No, I'm not trailing.

01:11:34
Speaker 6: I like that album. I do like I'm surprised. I was surprised when I got on the internet and saw the reaction because.

01:11:38
Speaker 1: Nobody expected that sound from Jack.

01:11:40
Speaker 4: Yep, but that's okay, Well it's not he got to develop a sound first before he just completely turns into a whole different.

01:11:46
Speaker 5: Did you say that when Drake dropped? Honestly, never mind, But.

01:11:49
Speaker 1: Drake had given us those type of vi before that.

01:11:52
Speaker 5: I'm just really just like trailing with it.

01:11:54
Speaker 6: But he gave Drake gave us those type of sounds before, So you think this is his aight, a waights and heartbreaks.

01:12:00
Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it that, but I think.

01:12:03
Speaker 2: I think try to pull Honestly, never mind fifteen years and Drake's career.

01:12:10
Speaker 6: I think if theory, like if an artist get the urge to do some different ship.

01:12:13
Speaker 7: Then.

01:12:14
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It was bad timing.

01:12:16
Speaker 6: It's you know, if I think without that interview, the album has received a lot better. I think without the interview about being black or the album is received.

01:12:23
Speaker 2: I think it's received in a a very regular way. At that point, it was received terribly. After they get Monica, I don't know, three point something, three point one.

01:12:35
Speaker 1: They gave Chris Brown a one point six.

01:12:37
Speaker 6: That is fucking so Chris Brown's album is worse than Monica, That's what That's what pitch focusing.

01:12:41
Speaker 2: Wait, they gave I'm not even like a cutting crazy fail like that. They gave Men on the Moon a four point nine. Yeah, that was at the time when Picture Work was like, yeah.

01:12:50
Speaker 6: Let's just cut Pitchfork off. Let's just cut let's just not talk about pitch.

01:12:54
Speaker 2: Fork before we get out of here. You guys see, Walle was on Ebro's Apple Music Show. I think I'm kind of saying the same shit we've been saying about hip hop fans and media at this point where shit is at which let's get prepared. If you're hearing this, an ice man is out. This is exactly what.

01:13:12
Speaker 1: I think is going to be happening of what Willy said, can we play that right?

01:13:17
Speaker 6: I complain about the fandom and the toxicity of the fandom and what social media hasn't.

01:13:23
Speaker 8: It don't look like it don't look like like in the nineties, eighties or like any generation in it like you would you would never imagine like the artists fans like taking it so far, like like almost like sports rivalries, and it's like, dog, you know this, you know this hip hop shit, go ahead, you know this hip shit was based on like unity for real, like you know what I'm saying, And it's so it's not unified like whatever, and it's like kind of like you know, but you know, at the end of the day, like it's still it's still like it's not in this emfasy.

01:14:00
Speaker 5: But it's still a very young genre.

01:14:03
Speaker 8: And we are in a different time now, digital social media, so we are where we are.

01:14:08
Speaker 2: No Demerius kill him the way you killed me on the Complex Media list when they asked for a quote and I said, hip hop fans are turning into.

01:14:16
Speaker 1: The worst football tailgate of all time. That's the same shit.

01:14:19
Speaker 6: While they're saying there like this this isn't even like this, This is like drunk behavior in a parking lot at MetLife for a fucking Giants Eagles game of where we've gotten Like no one can enjoy music anymore?

01:14:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like if you listen to one, you can't listen to the other. Yeah, you can't like both.

01:14:37
Speaker 6: You know, there's like it's just bad, it's toxic.

01:14:41
Speaker 1: I don't believe none of this shit.

01:14:43
Speaker 5: You don't believe what But.

01:14:44
Speaker 4: You're talking to a nigga that never believe cyber bullying though, Like I thought that was stupid when niggas try to make cyber bully just don't go on to don't go on just you could just do that on your fucking phone off and enjoy the music.

01:14:56
Speaker 7: And we're talking about for adults. We're not talking about for children.

01:14:59
Speaker 4: Well yeah, like a cyber bullying for an adult? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you kidding me?

01:15:04
Speaker 6: I like that she had to clear that up because it's like that is that's a fact? Yeah, but yeah, I mean yes, But at the same time, it's like if what if?

01:15:11
Speaker 5: What if?

01:15:12
Speaker 6: Like you know, and I'm talking about the people that work in the space. Your job is to be in that in that space, and working that space. You can't just be offline period. You can't because as an artist, who can't we again pitchfork.

01:15:24
Speaker 5: And get from my artists.

01:15:24
Speaker 6: I'm talking about even y'all, Like you just can't, Like you can't just not be online because that's.

01:15:29
Speaker 5: Part of your job.

01:15:31
Speaker 1: I'm not online.

01:15:31
Speaker 6: A lot of I see money bags every fucking day. You're online, Yeah, but.

01:15:35
Speaker 4: That's not me being online though, Like I don't I don't know what's going on outside of what I'm looking at. So like if I'm if I'm looking at something, I'm going right to that, I don't know. Rory got to tell me a lot of shit that's going on on the top if you if.

01:15:46
Speaker 6: You're on there looking at looking at what you're looking at, but then your mentions, like what are my mentions fooding for? And you look and it's like you get what I'm saying.

01:15:52
Speaker 1: But a lot of those is bought, a lot of those is fake pages, a lot of those is no.

01:15:55
Speaker 6: I agree with you that we shouldn't let it affect us the way that you know certain things affect us. I'm saying, I don't think it's as avoidable as you are making it for me.

01:16:03
Speaker 2: Because I've seen Wilay say shit on podcasts and certain fan bases will dedicate the next month trying to destroy Wallace.

01:16:12
Speaker 5: It's crazy.

01:16:13
Speaker 6: He has that curse too, where like anything he says can be turned into a negative and gets.

01:16:17
Speaker 1: Taken out of contact.

01:16:18
Speaker 4: But at the same time, because wile A does shit like this, see, when you don't address that shit, you don't give that shit no energy. So like Nigga's gonna say, while could put out the greatest album in the last twenty years, tomorrow.

01:16:30
Speaker 5: Shouts tous last album that's it was incredible, And so.

01:16:33
Speaker 4: I think the while a Leon Thomas, I'm surprised that record is not number one.

01:16:36
Speaker 1: It feels like a number one.

01:16:38
Speaker 6: Record to me, climbing the charts every day like that Leon Thomas record feels like a number one.

01:16:43
Speaker 2: But then you get into the mix where the Internet does matter to an artist in twenty twenty six, what was the list of the hundred rappers who did that?

01:16:49
Speaker 1: Was that complex?

01:16:52
Speaker 5: Ohh yeah, complex?

01:16:53
Speaker 1: Complex? That a hundre rappers? Yeah, a hundred rappers, yeah, Wilets not in the top one hundred.

01:16:59
Speaker 6: Yeah, and reason wasn't that's cras that makes no sense. And reason was reason wasn't. That's insane, that's insane.

01:17:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just sure that he has with Leon Thomas coming off that album not making the top one hundred. But that's crazy because the Internet can control that type of stuff when they decide.

01:17:17
Speaker 1: To go against you. Yeah, you're there.

01:17:19
Speaker 2: And not to say that it's a it changes too much with an artist if you're on the Complex one hundred list, but it does show you that there is a clear agenda happening at the moment where the Internet is against you.

01:17:32
Speaker 4: So it can affect an artist. I'm just saying I do, like, yeah, it can, and it does. But when you sit down with EBRO and speak about it, talk about it, and then you're on other platforms talking about it, and then you tweeting about it and things like that, you given that energy and they're like, oh, yeah, we got them. We we we fucking we get I can't tell you you.

01:17:54
Speaker 1: Don't speak on that ship.

01:17:55
Speaker 6: I can't tell you how many times I've gotten in my feelings and actually responded back to a fan and then the sponsors like, oh, I can't believe you were spinning you one of my favorite rappers.

01:18:03
Speaker 4: It happens all that while at just continues to put out the dope music, the dope albums that he's been doing. Now, if he wants to speak about not being ranked in the top one hundred, that's completely different, because that's crazy that he's got.

01:18:14
Speaker 5: He should be a top thirty.

01:18:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, but for online toxicity and shit that fans are saying online man, fuck all of that. Yeah, don't speak to that bullsh Keep you got an incredible album. You to me while they don't have a whack album, ever, it doesn't keep doing what the fuck you doing like you one of the flys, one of the elis got one of the dopest albums. Keep doing that shit, Keep doing what you're doing. Fuck that online shit, man, that shit ain't it don't really It don't really do the things that artists say it does until the artist is sitting on the platform saying it's affecting certain things, like you're giving that shit energy.

01:18:50
Speaker 1: That's the catch twenty two of the internet.

01:18:52
Speaker 2: Because I'm sure while they would say that the Internet was a huge reason of why he's where he is today, Wiley was one of the first people on two while it was crazy during the blog era, Like while a really utilized and understood the Internet in the beginning to his career. And so once you in the internet, in the internet, and you can't go back and forth.

01:19:12
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the Internet can make narratives about you that make people that could have potentially been new fans not even remotely like give you a chance like that, Like there's artists that have narratives about them that it's like people won't even listen to what they put out, period point blank, because of the fact that there's a narrative about them.

01:19:30
Speaker 2: Or I'm on this side and that person's affiliated with somebody on that side.

01:19:35
Speaker 6: You get what I'm saying, Like, it's like that that's a real that's a real thing. I've gone through that I've literally seen people be like, you know, reason on Drake, So I ain't listening to that shit. And that's just period and who else it could be about. But my whole point is that, like there are people out there that genuinely feel that way, you know what I'm saying, And so it could affect your career in that way. I do agree with you that you shouldn't. I do agree with you that you shouldn't give it like a shit ton of energy but I don't agree with like the fact that it doesn't affect anything, like I define. I think the internet's too powerful today for things to not affect you.

01:20:06
Speaker 4: I think that you give that ship energy and you give those people online because for all the people that's online that hate on wild A and talk about it's a bunch of motherfuckers that support I think that's where you focus at and that's where you put the energy towards.

01:20:22
Speaker 1: All that other ship.

01:20:23
Speaker 4: You've given people a reason and be like, yeah, we fucking let's keep keep adding them with.

01:20:28
Speaker 1: Him he or Hebro talking about us, I might be the next one.

01:20:31
Speaker 5: He responds to, Yeah, you're.

01:20:32
Speaker 4: Giving that ship energy. Man, Like I just I don't know. I'm just I'm just different. I guess maybe I'm not there yet.

01:20:36
Speaker 2: But if I had Wil's career, the record he has right now, plus that album I'm not on the top one hundred list, I'm gonna be tight, and.

01:20:42
Speaker 1: I would speak to that.

01:20:44
Speaker 2: I would speak to specific agenda against like this is personal.

01:20:49
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I would speak to not being on the top.

01:20:52
Speaker 5: That record is insane.

01:20:53
Speaker 1: The Lion Thomas Bro that's the number one song.

01:20:56
Speaker 5: I'm in a hundred percent.

01:20:58
Speaker 4: That is no different than the ship he got with Usher. What was that matrimony? That's that his best he had with Tierra what was her name, Tierra.

01:21:07
Speaker 1: Thomas. That's that same DNA. That's that that's that wile a lotus flower bomb. Yeah, that's right there on all of that. So, I mean, Wilet is dope, man.

01:21:15
Speaker 4: I just think I would like to see Wyle just not pay that shiit on mine and continue doing what the funk he doing because Wilet is ill.

01:21:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, what reason we appreciate you? I know you have some over Towards Love.

01:21:26
Speaker 6: Yes, Moving Towards Love we at the Rocky May twenty eighth in l A. Roight. Yeah, May twenty eight, So go get your tickets if you're in l A May twenty eight. I got my dog keim Bell with me in mine, Europe and sham ten summer. They're all rocking with me and I'm gonna bring some of the homies out.

01:21:43
Speaker 5: It should be dope. Yeah, that's what.

01:21:45
Speaker 6: Towards Love is out. Moving Towards Love is out of the best projects of the year. I stand on that reason.

01:21:49
Speaker 4: Keep doing what you're doing, man. I love this new energy. I love this new this new found motivation. Thank you.

01:21:55
Speaker 6: You seem a lot more into it, and you know, I think it's nothing but great things you're coming from this point on, so I appreciate it.

01:22:01
Speaker 1: Anytime you're New York man, come kicking with us, man. You know, we always know where we're at. I'm that nigga, He's just Ginger. That's reason