NFL Week 17 Reaction: Coach Of The Year Debate, Playoff Predictions & Momentum Vs. Analytics Talk

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome into the NFL football Recap. We will talk a little bit about Michigan football. Obviously, a lot of things happened over the weekend. Very exciting on my part, cautiously optimistic. If you are watching or listening to the show, please do us a favor. Subscribe, leave a comment if you're watching on YouTube. But subscribing helps our show so much. It doesn't hurt you at all, and it just keeps you up to date on everything that's going on with Bust with the Boys. This show, Bust with the Boys, is presented by the one, the only FanDuel Sportsbook, and I got four words for you guys. It's not over yet. We've got a whole week of regular season football to get through, plus a few weeks of postseason play, and of course we're capping off Week seventeen with tonight's Rams versus Falcons game. One thing we want to let you guys know about, if you haven't seen it already, Fanduels Drive same game parlay picture this. I want you to close your eyes unless you're on the road right now. We're gonna use We're gonna envision all of it. You see my hand going down over my face. That's what we're envisioning. Picture this. You see the rams. They have a little bit of momentum. Right Stafford, he's slinking it, pooking a cool. He catches everything. You think to yourself, Hey, I got a thought. There's no way they don't score a touchdown this drive. You crack open the Fando Sports with gap you can cook up a parlay that breaks down the drive exactly as you see it. Because why we're manifesting right now, we're manifesting Stafford's passing yards, Pooka's receiving yards, and the rams to score am. Fando's giving all customers a live profit boost token. By the way, you can stop. You can open your eyes. Now, you can open your eyes, and I apologize. Fandos giving all customers live profit Boosts token to use on the game so you can boost the payout and make the winnings even bigger. Just at the fandel dot Com slash busting to get started, fandle play your game. Hey, Michigan's got a football coach. We got a ball coach. Huh got ourselves a ball coach. Kyle Whittingham twenty one seasons at Utah over three decades at Utah. Honestly spent most of his life in Utah. He played football at BYU, did a little bit over there was under Urban Meyer, and then took the head coaching job when overmine, I believe went to Florida.

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Speaker 2: Correct?

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Speaker 1: Is that my correct in saying that? So a lot of success there comes over hat in hand does his press conference? He has one statement that just absolutely fires me up. Really, did you watch the press conference, the Michigan press conference. I didn't think you would, But it's okay because I'm going to tell.

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Speaker 2: You everything you need to hear and check it out.

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Speaker 1: He says you will become us, we will not become you. And that's referring to the culture of Michigan. He said all the right things in my opinion, and then you start to break down what's this man about to bring because you really start to realize that Kyle Woodingham what he is. He's a boss. He's a CEO type of individual that is going to be the name to face the culture of your franchise. But he's going to allow the coaches who he brings in with great hires to coach these guys and then game management, culture, attitude, toughness. The whole thing comes from winning. I believe he's worked out for more than like six thousand days in a row or something like that. He's got some weird stat that in that way. But start to read a couple of things. Jason Beck the OC at Utah, that's his front runner for who's going to be his OC at Michigan. Scored forty one point five points per game last year. They were the number two offense in all of college football, the number five rush defense, and those two stats might be flipped and might be two for rushing, five in total. So that gets you pretty fired up. You watch Utah's offense. I've watched like four games over the weekend just to rewatch the play calling, all those things. Very creative, very exciting. They love to run the ball, but they're very creative in their past game as well, which is awesome for a quarterback. That will help. I pray to God stays at Michigan. Then they got this DC. Who's gonna be the DC? J Hill? Who's Jay Hill? That's the DC for BYU. You're probably wondering, what how are we gonna have? How are we gonna have a BYU, who's sworn enemy is Utah. How is the d C from him? From BYU gonna go with a guy from Utah to Michigan. J Hill at Weber State went over to Utah for a few years and apparently has a great relationship with Kyle. Whittingham saw that to be said, boys, cautiously optimistic if we could just keep this roster intact, which is a big if, right And I think it starts at the top of that quarterback, he stays. I think the rest of them stay.

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Speaker 2: We spend a.

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Speaker 1: Butload of money, we get to middle of January, I might be called for a national championship. I might, but right now I'm caustiously optimistic right now because the more are we in this cat, the more I'm like, we got a leader of men with integrity. You know what I'm saying, Gregor can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Greg's here? One quick note to selfishly insert Baylor in here. Utah beat Baylor by completing their first pass of the game with five minutes left in the fourth quarter, put at fifty seven on us. They ain't have to throw the ball. They're big, ugly.

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Speaker 4: Baylor being Baylor.

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Speaker 3: But I'm very excited for Michigan. I think Whittingham is going to be a great fit. And I think all the talent that he'll be able to bring in with the Michigan m as well as just like all the prowess and all of his experience be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Can I see one more thing?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: You go over Twitter, you go in the search bar, you type of Michigan football. You see a lot of opinions being made. You see some USC fan bases that are like, oh shit, Kyle Woodingham is now in the Big ten. Like Utah was owning the Pac twelve for a couple of years and they figured out USC and Oregon and Washington, all these big schools, and USC was kind of happy to get away from Kylewoodham allegedly. I will also say this, Utah fans maybe the nicest group of people. Great, they've been incredible. But I've been watching, like the banter culture culture.

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Speaker 2: I've been in the back, I've been in.

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Speaker 1: The shadows a little bit, just kind of watching, and it seems like Utah fans and Michigan fans like at first wanted to do this, but then they realized, like, hey, I think I think we're Okay here, I think we're really Hey, Utah fans are really happy for Michigan fans. Michigan fans are very like now we're like fans of Utah for some reason. So it seems like we got some harmony taking place between Utah and the University of Michigan. Greg, do you care to comment?

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Speaker 4: I just can't escape all you Michigan guys. I had a new Portnoy this morning and listen to him talking about how the block and is is how you just get to select what coach you want and you have your pick of the litter. And I guess you forgot that. Literally, if this guy didn't just leave Utah because he didn't want to be part of that private equity recruiting, who would be the coach?

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, listen, I's.

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Speaker 4: He's a great coach. I'm not debating all, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Dave Portnoy, the attitude.

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Speaker 4: I can't escape you Michigan guys. But I will say it was not looking good when it all went down, and there was a lot of questions of who you were going to get, and there was rumors about Caitlin de Boor and Dillingham and all these guys, and then they're renewing and renewing and taking themselves off the board, and uh, I don't think it could have worked considering how bad the situation was, I don't think it could have worked out any better for Michigan to get him.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I agree with that. And let me just say Dave and his attitude about Michigan, I can understand that attitude. I kind of had it a little bit. These last couple of years. I've realized I need to fall back a little bit and just be a true fan of Michigan and just hope for the best cause this whole Like you know, blue Chip we're gonna tion which they are, top five program, which they are, but the Michigan man, all the things, the arrogance that kind of comes with it. We've talked about it quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've changed it up over there. It's time.

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Speaker 1: It's time to settle in and just realize, like, other than twenty one to twenty three, since what I got there, it's not been great like nine to now. It's not been like, oh, this is the greatest program in the entire world. We need to get back to that. I think Kyle Woodingham is the guy that gets us back to that.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, all right, he's I mean, I don't know a ton about him. Obviously, I know how good he was and how successful he was at Utah. Any idea why he was at Utah so long? Like why didn't he go to.

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Speaker 2: I was curious about that too, because he did that.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't he going to Alabama? Why wasn't he going to Michigan years ago? Like? Right? And again he could have just been super loyal. And again I don't know a ton about him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my understanding is he's a million gah.

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Speaker 2: Winning ten eleven games and having that kind of culture at Utah is not easy. It is not easy. I think Michigan did find somebody.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a home run, and I think from a stabilizing factor, you can just hear it when he talks, you can hear it when he commands the room. I think for everything both football and non football going on at Michigan over the last couple of years, I think he checks a lot of boxes. Besides just hey, he's won a lot of games in the past. I do think he's going to bring a leadership and a presence to the program that they need right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I know that there's a lot of transition taking place as far as conferences go, like when he got in there the Mountain West and they go to the PAC twelve, and so there was like a lot of changing taking place. But I know at one point he was offered the Florida job. He was offered a multitude of other jobs. When rich Rodriguez was like the hot new name at West Virginia back when I was in high school and ended up taking the Michigan job, I know people were kind of clamoring for Kyle Woodingham as well. And then when rich Rod left, if it wasn't when Bratty Hoak was the next coach, Kyle Woodham's kind of name kind of did come up. And then when Britty Hook left, it seem like it was Horball or bust. And even when Harrball left, I believe Whittingham was a name that also came up again. But they also they clearly hired internally wish row More, which ended up not being the move. Yeah, ended up not being the move there.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's as he right, as he like you know, as they move changed the chapter, turned the page and everything else. Like say, Whittingham is going to have success at Michigan, I feel like it'll it'll be in the spots where you even even the years where you won the Natty or those times were all that staff and everything was together and how everything went down. I feel like it's just gonna be weird to look back and want to prop those years up.

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Speaker 1: If you're in Michigan, It'll be interesting to see how like that.

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Speaker 2: That's just that's just my own observation listening to winning Ham come in and just seeing some of the tweets that were written about him, because he does seem like a good a good head football.

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Speaker 1: I saw a Notre Dame, a Notre Dame alum kind of got on and was like, this is what you're getting with winning Ham. Integrity, character, You're never gonna have a scandal. This is a guy that does it the right way. It's clearly the attitude and the car like the the man we need at the Helm. After these past kind of three four years of like you know, the brand kind of getting hurt from Michigan, myself being like, hey, listen, I understand that I'm understanding why people dislike Michigan so much. Now there's a piece of me that loves people hating Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I think it'll continue to be that way because of fans like oh dp oh Dave.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's watching Dave.

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Speaker 2: I'm smiling and laughing at his tweets and also like, God, I hate this dude.

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Speaker 1: Dave does go a crazy way about Michigan. I love I love it. But I'm also I'm a realist enough to be like, yeah, in twenty years from now, all about me. Yeah, we won the nat Championship in twenty three. I'll be very proud of that. I think we had one of the best rosters ever. But you can't really ignore all the things that were also taking place.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: As far as the allegations of cheating, I'll fight that to the end. It seems like the NCAA bent the knee on that with just a fine Let me ask you this, Greg, Let's get off of Michigan for a second. Yeah, your school play against the Ohio State. I think it's like ten point dogs right now. There's something Miami's getting against that. I agree, but I want to know. I mean, Homer, I want to hear what you have to say about Carson Beck them running the ball and being three zero at the end of a half or yeah, three zero at the end a half against.

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Speaker 4: An m Yeah, that's not going to cut it.

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Speaker 1: That is not going to cut it.

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Speaker 4: That offensive output is not going to cut it. As you guys know, I am a fan of the forward pass. I do think the pass is a is a big is a big asset if you're trying to score some points. Obviously I'm biased. Obviously I'm a huge Miami game, Miami guy. This is a Miami house. My wife and I like, our whole family is Miami people. Mario Cristball is one of my favorite people in the world. He's a friend. He coached me, recruited me. I met Mario he was the GA at Miami. So my rising sophomore year, the summer between my freshman and sophomore year, my dad brought me. I had an older brother, my older I still have an older brother. My older brother was being recruited, so we went down and Butch Davis was the coach. Mario Cristobal was the offensive GA and like assistant tight ends coach. So I was fifteen years old met him down there, developed a relationship. He then went with Chiano to Rutgers. I'm from Jersey. They recruited the shit out a Rutger at a New Jersey when they were at Rutgers, so I've known Mario. He came back my last two years and coached me. So my point saying this is we go way back. I love him. He was the guy for the job. I always said if he couldn't bring Miami back, nobody could. So like we are riding with Miami always. Weirdly speaking, my second favorite team. If they're not playing Miami, I do cheer for Ohio State. I've gotten to o Ryan Day really well and become friendly with him and have spent some time at ot Ohio State the last couple offseasons. So we're riding with Miami. If they weren't playing Ohio State, we'd ride with Ohio State. But we are Miami through and through. Could they do it? Yes, They're gonna have to play much better on offense, especially in the passing game.

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Speaker 2: So it's a win win for It's a win win for Greg.

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Speaker 1: The Olsen household doesn't care about the outcome of this game.

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Speaker 2: The household Miami Olson household my but I know Greg internally like, no, we want, we want Miami to win, doesn't It sounds like but if you lose, you're gonna be happy for coach today.

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Speaker 4: No, I want to see. I have yearned for. So my my junior and senior year in high school, Miami played in back to back national championships. So like I my whole recruiting process, my whole kind of going through that whole world was like Miami was the program.

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Speaker 2: This is early two thousands, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this was like two thousand and one, two thousand and two. Yeah, pre the seasons might have been two thousand, two thousand and one or whatever, the years of the national title. So we my junior year we beat Nebraska, and then my senior year we lost in overtime to Ohio State, and I ended up going to Notre Dame with my older brother, but then transferred shortly thereafter to Miami. So like we are Miami people. Met my wife there, my brother and sister in law went there, my younger brother went there, Like we are Miami people, so we are riding with them, but.

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Speaker 2: You yearn for those, for those moments.

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Speaker 4: I want to see Miami back on top again.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: We've been saying that you is back for fifteen years. Yeah, it'd be nice to actually be able to say it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you too, because anytime, like anytime like a documentary comes out or anything about Miami, something about the full white, like the white face mass the orange and green like I remember my first game on PlayStation was one of those years when Miami's coming off a national championship, and the first game that I played was a Miami Florida State game where you could see the glare off the helmet for the first time in a video game, and you thought it was the most realistic thing you'd ever seen in your life. So I'm with you. There is a there's that that fantasy of the Miami logo and everything coming back. I just don't think that they'll have enough to take down state.

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Speaker 1: Especially because Ohio State's coming.

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Speaker 4: They play the game. They play the game, baby, they play the game. Coming on this argument with my kid, you brought up the white helmets. The other day, we were getting ready to watch the A and M game, and my my oldest son, he's like, man, I hope they go all black and the black helmets and I'm sitting there and I'm just like, how dare you? Yeah, the Miami white helmet, especially when we went all white, white helmet, white cleats, white top, like that is just an icon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami white helmet with the running back face mask, the little two bar.

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Speaker 4: Those legendary Miami games, those National title games, those Hall of Fame players. Yeah, they all had the white helmet with the U on the side, like that was the helmet. Yeah, man, I still got mine right here.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, yeah, show it off. Man with the dark visor.

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Speaker 1: Boy he's got two Emmys in the back, but he can't display his helmet.

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Speaker 2: What'd you ask, Mitch?

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Speaker 4: The one you want? All? You want to see this guy lined up over the top of you on third and seven when you know you got me man coverage And I'm just.

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Speaker 2: You're just gonna do Yeah, you're gonna do something on the sticks. You're probably gonna try and lean into my body inside, go up and hook it up around around the sticks.

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Speaker 1: Look at that.

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Speaker 4: You A lot of scuff on this, A lot of scuff, Yeah, a lot of scuff. How's this side look?

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Speaker 1: I can't say not so bad, not not as not as scuff side hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a helmet that's seeing you know several sea guys.

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Speaker 4: I show you the best part of this? Can I show you the best part of this? Do you remember when our helmets look like that on the exact? When did we all not die? No?

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Speaker 2: I think we slowly are. There's just you know, science got to continue to come.

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Speaker 1: That's all human beanks, that's all human beanks. We were fine, We're gonna be my.

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Speaker 4: High school helmet. I don't I really don't know how we didn't die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, how hard it is on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you really got like if it got cold out and you'd put it on, it's like I need fifteen. And sometimes I would just leave my helmet on for the entirety of the practice and do the water ball. I wouldn't take it off just so it would.

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Speaker 2: Be that running back three bread in the Miami helmet.

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Speaker 4: That is.

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Speaker 1: That extra two inches at the botto of the face mask.

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Speaker 2: All them decals, would you get the decals for all the.

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Speaker 4: Stickers killing people?

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Speaker 1: Those are just bodies?

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Speaker 2: You know? His dad His dad was the head coach, so he probably made up a bunch of stickers for him. Yeah, look that is brutal. You had the blue lining boys. I love our show. I love our show right now, just showing off the old look face. Look at all these scratches.

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Speaker 1: The most of the scratches on the crown of the he.

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Speaker 4: Went down here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a brutal face mask. The one, the one in Miami was the the one, especially as a batter if you got that three bar one.

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Speaker 4: My first year playing at Miami, my red shirt freshman year, I wore that face mask. I have pictures of myself playing in college with the two bar dion but down to here so bad.

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Speaker 2: Gotta protect my neck, gotta protect my throat.

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Speaker 1: How much of the players kill you for that before you were like, I got to change the face mask?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think I think at the time, I think we all thought it was cool. I don't know, I don't know. I really look back, and I'm like, questionable decisions.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. You see, Like even like in the nineties, the giant shoulder pads and the cowboy collar. My junior of high school, I had the butterfly collar. I had no neck issues. I just wanted to look bigger. I was just trying to get after it. No, no, none, My.

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Speaker 4: Shoulder pads in high school were this big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about it was about the.

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Speaker 4: Arms were like super skinny, sticking out the bottom and back then. I don't know about you guys, but when I played are well like later in my in my high school, but like early on, our sleeves were like loose, you know. Yeah, so we would twist them and then tape them and then you like rolled the tape up to make them tight. That was before they had like elastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you had like these.

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Speaker 4: I still have skinny arms, but like these little skinny bitch arms sticking out the bottom of these huge shoulder pads.

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Speaker 2: Looking like straws coming out of a bottom.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, it is the funniest look in the world to just see giants shoulder pads and little sticks coming out of there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about you. You think of an image of a Miami player. It's like Ray Lewis when he had those massive pads. The jersey was like up to his above his belly, but massive helmet on.

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Speaker 4: I never got into the crop. That was never my body type.

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Speaker 1: Always I would always look at some of my other offensive linement brothre and when they would go crop top and I'm like, the confidence on these guys, just let that thing hang out. I wish I was secure in my body at the time, because I think the crop top look goes hard, goes hard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you look like some of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I kind of I think the big boys doing it too.

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Speaker 4: I don't mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, the big boys.

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Speaker 4: So I was like in the middle right, Like I wasn't like so big that you just like into it. It's like that guy is awesome. But then obviously I wasn't like washboard app so I was kind of like dad Bob.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 2: Once the compression shorts got on me and it squeezed the muffletop a little bit toward it seemed like it was oozing out like an ice cream cone. Like we're guys that's seen like, oh, they got some athletic ability or an athletic build. But if you get seen with that hanging over, you're kind of like a you're not leaning in.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here, dude. I would spend even in the legally, I would get my compression like shorts and I would put my feet in it with the waistband and I would pull it just to try to combat that the exact thing you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I would put my compressions over my mouth. I can't get I can't get caught. You were like you or you're like kind of a couple of practices and then I'm just like, I can't get caught doing this. Man, the boys are gonna clown my eyes.

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Speaker 1: Dude. But in a game, though, in a game, you put it up a little higher so it does just the jersey when it squeezes in, like just form fits you all the way down. Yeah, because catching that angle, dude, Yeah, cut in that angle, it's a tough.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough go, especially like in December. Maybe in like August training camp you're like I'm pretty good, Like yeah, yep. Like I would see pictures of myself in August, right before training camp, and I was like, that's look, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: December, you're just like eating pizza, holding on for dear life.

00:21:18
Speaker 2: Pie.

00:21:21
Speaker 1: You're already thinking about this offseason. I'm gonna do X, Y and Z.

00:21:25
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shape it's the divisional round of the playoffs, dude.

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Speaker 2: No, it's before Christmas. You're just like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get it done. That is that's every every white guy, every white guy that plays football, because you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have this regiment about you. You're like, I am this is me the entire year. I'm not gonna waiver on this. And then week four hits and you're like, fuck it, dude, pizza had a bad game, Pizza, sushi, Chinese food with the boy on Mondays.

00:21:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a comfort, there's a mental comfort to all of that.

00:21:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to hit some New Year's right.

00:22:01
Speaker 4: The year reminiscing just made my day. So what else you guys.

00:22:04
Speaker 1: Got, Dude, Let's talk about our tweets.

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Speaker 4: The my tweet So, dude, I land check Twitter. Yeah, mine mentions I'm getting killed, and I finally scroll up to the source of it all and both of you separately tweet me. But Will sends me about momentum. You're asking me about going for two tailor. I was sitting on the plane taxing dying dude.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy too, is it's literally coming down. I'm like, this is the perfect scenario for us to talk about tomorrow. And I'm thinking the Bills are going to get this. They should go for too. I hope mcdermom does go for two, and then obviously it would happened. Happened if they just would have kicked the pat after the first touchdown, it would have been a moot point. But after the game, all of them are kind of discussing should you have gone for two? Should you not have? And everybody who was like, yes, you should have gone for two all brought up momentum as their key point.

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Speaker 4: Of course, because they don't know what else to say.

00:22:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, because analytics can't measure moments.

00:23:00
Speaker 4: And by the way, add more momentum after the back to back touchdown drives no doubt. If they would have only gotten more momentum, they would have made the two point and then.

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Speaker 2: Kick the extra point, it would have gotten blocked again, well analytically. Analytically, you sit back and you look at like here, here's where you know. And by the way, I'm with you on the go for two. I was just grinning ear to ear knowing that this game was going to come down to I wonder if the Bills are going to go for two. I had my tweet ready to go and I just held on it. I'm like, I gotta make sure the Bills don't get the two point conversion. Yeah for this to work. Now you're learning, Yeah, yeah, you're learning.

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Speaker 4: You have to make sure your criticism comes after you know the results.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So I shoot that. I shoot that out there, But I'm also thinking in my head like, okay, here's a good analytical question as well, like if you're self scouting yourself, because you're right though, one touch up before that extra point gets blocked. So it's like, okay, well, we're just we're have to go for two because the extra point got blocked, but we're also going to go for two because that's what our game plan, our strategy is gonna be. Anyways, try to win in regulation. But my question would be when do also analytics within your own season come into play, because yeah, they got their extra point block, but what's their percentage on making an extra point to go into ot versus you are before this two failed two point conversion. You're one for six at going for two throughout this year as the Buffalo Bills. So they missed this one, they're now one for seven on going for two. So analytically, in general, universally, it's like, hey, everything screams go for two. But if you're the Bills, you haven't been successful at all. Really, you've been successful one time out of six up until that point of going for two. And then you look at the if you look at the example last week, which it's like, why didn't the Bears go for two? They end up kicking the extra point, going to overtime and winning ot Bills it felt like they did. Bringing up the word momentum, had all the momentum because Philadelphia had what twelve yards passing in the second.

00:24:58
Speaker 1: Happen and they had twelve yards total twelve yard.

00:25:00
Speaker 2: Total in the second half, Like Philly wasn't doing anything offensively and they were up thirteen nothing going to that fourth quarter, and Josh Allen was Josh Allen. Buffalo was becoming Buffalo. Their offense was becoming that offense, So why not kick that extra point? Going ot? Like in my head knowing like confidence level, whise, like, bro, we are we're taking over this team because they're not moving the ball at all.

00:25:23
Speaker 4: Yes, my confidence. Your confidence was so high, your momentum was very high. You had just scored back to back touchdowns. Why did your offense the defense was reeling, The defense was tired I've heard all these things right for the whole year, then it's even more reason. If that's the mentality, then it's even more reason to say, keep my offense on the field. They couldn't stop us. Put the offense back on the field, and let's win the game with my hobbled quarterback who's banged up his foot. Do I want to play a whole overtime period? And they talk about, well, just make the extra point and go to overtime. Badgely was twenty to twenty five on the year an extra points, he's.

00:26:03
Speaker 2: But again one for six on two point conversion. So most of you want to look at.

00:26:07
Speaker 4: Who are you gonna bet that's gonna go above their odds? Badge your third kicker of the year or.

00:26:12
Speaker 2: Josh Allen your third kicker of the year.

00:26:16
Speaker 4: Okay, well that's our next.

00:26:17
Speaker 1: Point, I would go, so are you arguing? Are you arguing just to argue?

00:26:21
Speaker 2: Like I am arguing just to argue, because I do want to know, like, at what point are you self scouting enough to be like, all right, I get that you're rolling the dice go in this direction with going for two, but again you have failed to convert two point conversion. You know, five out of the six times that you've already done it now six out of the seven.

00:26:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's a valid argument. And obviously that's something that each team has to take into consideration as they look at their own two point plays, their play calls, their strategy. So that's certainly a fair and valid argument. I think where the where the argument universally, I'm not saying your argument, I'm just saying the universal argument on all of this is everyone just assumes you make the extra point. And I just watched you miss an extra point by yeah yeah, yeah. So like there's always this assumption that if you go for two, you're gonna miss, and it's so stupid. All you had to do was line up in the driving rain and just make a simple extra point that oh yeah, on your first touchdown I watched get blocked. So like there's this assumption that what happened on the previous two point play matters, but what happened on the previous point after try is somehow irrelevant. I asked you this question the night before Texans Chargers. Dick or the kicker has had an amazing season. Amazing So they are down ten, they go down and they score. The Chargers are down ten, they go down and score a touchdown. So we're watching this game at our hotel in Indie because that game was a big factor in how meaningful our game was yesterday. Yeah, the Bolts needed the Chargers to come back and win for the Colts to still be playing for something against Jacksonville yesterday. So selfishly, we're like, we love this game to mean something to Indy. So we're watching intently. I say all that long story short. They score a touchdown. So now it's a four point game.

00:28:17
Speaker 2: Okay, how much times left?

00:28:20
Speaker 4: Uh that's a good question, is it like under it's it's it's minutes to go into thirty.

00:28:26
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, that's that's good enough.

00:28:29
Speaker 4: Uh hold on, he's.

00:28:31
Speaker 1: Got to know he's got now you know Gray, he's just he's a detailed oriented guy.

00:28:35
Speaker 4: Well it matters. It's a great question.

00:28:38
Speaker 1: It's enough. And you're like, yeah, that's not that's.

00:28:40
Speaker 2: That's that's a conversation.

00:28:42
Speaker 4: Touchdown.

00:28:42
Speaker 2: That's all I need to know. I need to know exactly seven.

00:28:47
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so lots of time? How many time outs?

00:28:50
Speaker 4: I think they had all of them?

00:28:51
Speaker 1: Okay, So and all the time in the world.

00:28:54
Speaker 2: Analytically, this is a time where you scored and go for two, correct.

00:28:57
Speaker 4: I'm asked, Okay, so I'm just painting this scenarios. This is a very So you talk about like where these teams are on the cutting edge, nobody's quite ready. Like the down by fourteen thing, You're starting to see more teams after the first touchdown. Not everybody, but a lot of teams are going for two the first time to try to make it six. The fifteen to one. We talked about fourth down. This was the fourth down conversation like five years ago. So there's phases to all of this. I don't know if teams are ready to like regularly adopt down ten to go for two to make a field goal win it. But let's just talk about what happened. So they try to just take the foregone conclusion of making this extra point. This sun is blaring on my face. I'm gonna shed the b lines hold on. So they take the day, Just take the points, make it a three point It's a field goal game, right, That's what everyone's saying. Making a field goal game. Don't make it a touchdown game. He misses the extra point, so they now are down four and they need a touchdown to win. No longer a field goal could tie. If they would have went for two and failed, they still would have been down four. What is the difference at the end of the game for Harball the press conference, dicker, the kicker needs to be better, he's been awesome all year, and he missed the kick. You go for two. The question is, coach, you are there now. It didn't matter. They never got the ball back. But if Justin Herbert got that ball down four, that conversation. If you need a touchdown and you get goal to go and you come up short, it's like, if only you were down three, you would have kicked the field goal and tied the game. Well, you missed the extra point. But now the coach doesn't have to justify. The coach just says, my kicker stinks. I'm a great coach.

00:30:42
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, listener, you've really gotten me on the down fourteen late. You score the first touchdown, you go for two. I'm understanding that level of aggression, but ten points, I'm not seeing where it's go for two in the situation.

00:30:58
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm saying that's so. Yeah, I guess this is where that phase is still that gap started close.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: Because I guess I'm looking at it like, you clearly just kick the extra point.

00:31:08
Speaker 2: I'm starting I'm starting to naturally feel like when you're down ten, that's all I was asking the time. If you're within like what six seven minutes, I'm starting to yeah, fuck, if you're around that timeframe. I am now starting to naturally think if you're down ten and you score, you now go for two. So I'm starting to get into the that you know, New world where you know Greg and they're they're teaching you all these this analytical side of football on what you would do. So Yeah, hearing that, I'm thinking, oh, damn, that's a bad Yeah, that's a bad move on the coaching side to not go for two in that situation.

00:31:41
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I'm not saying that it's a no brainer. I'm not saying that if it was me that I feel so strongly that I would do it every time. I'm not suggesting that. All I'm suggesting is we have programmed that the anti analytics, the anti two crowd, has built their argument from point after tries or one one hundred percent successful all of the time, and two point plays are failures, Like we have completely taken both ends in the extremes where no one ever misses a pat and everyone always fails a two point play, and it's just obviously not true.

00:32:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's obviously not true. But still I feel like the percentages are way different. I think we talked about two point conversions being what fifty percent close, say the mid forties point after try is I gotta believe in the eighties.

00:32:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh of course it's Oh I bet you, it's higher, I bet you.

00:32:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:32:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just being conservative. So some guy on the internet right now is all like, actually it's this, you know.

00:32:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Taylor, he's battling an imaginary hater.

00:32:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, just in case, you know, this is called covering. It's like Will holding his tweet back for a couple extra minutes. You got to do that.

00:32:48
Speaker 4: Two point tries are hard. That's why you typically want multiple cracks at him. Yeah, so like it just that's the whole idea again, the down fourteen, the down fifteen. You want multiple cracks, so you want multiple opportunities to get him because going one for one is hard. Going one for one is less than a coin flip.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: How many two point plays when you were playing, did you guys practice one? Maybe two?

00:33:16
Speaker 4: We on our call sheet probably inside the five those were probably your you know you're inside the five. We probably had five total. Yeah, and a couple of passes, which I guess was like a separate Like that was like Jumbo twenty three big bodies and everyone had like a million different tight end play actions and faked. We did a ship ton of it with Cam. Our goal line stuff was actually really good. Obviously he was a huge factor in that because he was such a threat whether he was in gun, whether he's under center. So like our goal line stuff was pretty extensive just because of him. But uh yeah, teams have way more now than they used to.

00:34:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you this, Greg, what would the conversation, so if we're talking about the extremes on the analytics side of like you're not wrong trying to kick the extra point, but you know that one right there, you miss YadA, YadA, YadA, what would be your conversation with coach Harball or a head coach on what they're thinking is or what they should challenge themselves to interrogate about themselves on why you don't go for two in that situation.

00:34:28
Speaker 4: Like if I was trying to convince some wife, right, Like.

00:34:30
Speaker 2: If you're sitting there and you're in a room with these head coaches on thinking about this, this level of thinking with the two point conversion, because a lot of it does come back to this press or like, hey, what is what are we avoiding by not trying to go for two here? You know what I'm saying?

00:34:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think the first the first thing I would try to just present is how much of your decision making is effected on your desire or lack there of answering these questions like how much does that matter to you? How much does public perception, how much does criticism, how much does the fallback matter? And I think it's a fair I don't blame coaches who do value it. I think there's certain coaches that have built up more credits and more stock that those postgame press conferences are a non factor. Right. Their jobs not on the line, they're not under constant heat. It's a very different experience in different markets for different coaches, based on market size, media, how much they've won or lost. Right, Like certain coaches are teflon, You're not going to get up there and question decisions made by you know. I mean, I guess we saw Andy Reid get questioned this year, but that seems kind of stupid. So I do think there are varying degrees of your ability to stand at the podium and say nothing any of you say matter. My job is safe and I'll do it again. Right, It's the Dan Campbell effect. So you first got to just decide how much is your decision making being influenced by any of those emotions. These are emotional decisions, and you value that as a person. The conversation should end, right. There's no convincing anyone that what emotions they they feel aren't real. I'm never gonna convince anyone otherwise. Right. If that's just how you feel, you might be wrong. But I'm never gonna win that bat. An emotional battle is never gonna be won if that's not the limiting factor, and they are open minded to just talking about Okay, what does improve our chances? It comes down to trying to win the game when you get an opportunity in regulation. Now, regular season, postseason has changed over time has changed a little bit, so the odds are a little bit more in your favor with both teams getting a possession, But by and large, I would try to operate as often as possible. If I get an opportunity to win the game in regulation, I'm gonna do it. And those would probably be like my two main north stars. And then there's a lot of nuance in situation and strengths of your team and quarterback style and offensive play caller. Like then there's a lot of like team nuance that each team has to make their own decision based, but like those two guiding principles would be where I would start personally.

00:37:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I love about this conversation is that you're exactly the last thing you said is like, it's not like a black and white type of thing. It depends on what personnel you have, what quarterback though, and that that's what makes it so much more fun to look into and see, like, hey, what coach is willing to slap their balls on the table and be like this is what is what we're gonna do we get in a week out regardless of circumstance. While you were talking, I was thinking about the fifteen points being down, fifteen go you go for two in the first touchdown. You don't get it the second time, you have to use you know what, I've worked through it in my head. You have to go for two in the second one to even tie it. Never mind, I'm back, I'm back.

00:37:54
Speaker 4: Let me again not to rehash all of that, because if.

00:37:57
Speaker 2: You don't get the first one, you're down nine. Right, So that's where him trying to wrap our heads around going for two down fifteen. That's where I'm kind That's why I get a little bit more resistant.

00:38:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:38:12
Speaker 4: Again, it comes it comes down to take the emotion out of it. From a practical standpoint. Would you rather be down nine with three and a half minutes or would you rather be down two with fifteen seconds?

00:38:24
Speaker 2: No?

00:38:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that that's it.

00:38:26
Speaker 4: From a non emotional not the how hard I'm going to play on defense and the defense is so more motivated down eight that they are nine, and the guys on the sideliner slapping each other on the backs, like, eliminate all of that. Yeah, just from a practical sense. The argument against what the Phi, what Philly did, and what everyone came after me for supporting, was they assumed that you missed the first one and you're down nine, and you're an idiot be down eight and it's a one score game and take it to overtime. But and I'm down nine is because I failed on the two point conversion. So why would being down eight? Why should I assume I get the two point conversion?

00:39:07
Speaker 2: Defense? Have it both ways defensif it's a little bit more retired, a little bit more defeated, like fuck, they're probably gonna get that. It's a mom first one.

00:39:15
Speaker 1: I started this conversation. I apologize.

00:39:18
Speaker 4: It's emotion, and that's why I said, if emotion's gonna run it, you're never gonna win the battle. And that's okay. I'm not saying those feelings aren't real. I'm just saying they're not impactful. And if they are impactful, you should fire your defense. You should cut everyone. And Will Compton is not gonna run through his a gap on a run blitz hard down nine than he would down eight. That he shouldn't be your mic backer.

00:39:44
Speaker 2: The reason I'm leavin is I right before he started to go, uh, your feelings like, it's fair to feel what you say, but they're not impactful. Before he started to say that, a switch fliped in my mind to where he's now talking to his wife. I'm thinking, I wonder how this would go through. I'm yeah, yeah, there's is not impacuation.

00:40:07
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00:40:54
Speaker 4: I didn't that game was going on right when my game was gone lost in the.

00:40:58
Speaker 1: Browns bro you know, need you don't really need to know the game. But Miles Garrett obviously one sack away from holding the record. From a solo standpoint after the game, he said, they were worried about keeping me away from Aaron Rodgers to uh, more worried about that than getting to win. That's what That's why we came back to bite them. Have you ever been in a situation where, like in your in your career where someone was chasing a record and what the if there was a meeting room about that, because it seemed like with the Steelers, and I think there was like conversations taking place like if he beats you whatever, grab his face mask, do not let him get it. And then in the game in the fourth quarter they had multiple three and outs. But there are a few times that Miles Geartt's like basically getting there, Aaron Rodgers like fuck this and just dumps it off to the side like they were. They seem very obvious they're more worried about Miles than they were, Hey, let's go try to win this game.

00:41:45
Speaker 4: You know. It kind of reminds me I don't know. Did you guys play high school basketball?

00:41:49
Speaker 2: No, No, one year in eighth grade fourth So.

00:41:51
Speaker 4: High school basketball, we you know, we were like an average you know, we were fine, but we would go play some of these teams that were real good and they were just better than us. So this is what kind of reminds me, like before the game, like you and your buddies, you'd sit there and you'd be like, we could lose by fifty. You cannot let anyone dunk. Like we're follon guys, We're flipping them upside down, We're sending them into the wall, intentional fouls, text, whatever it takes. Nobody dunks. That's kind of like what this reminds me of. Right, you said we can concede the game, We're not gonna give up. We're gonna throw the ball in the ground, We're gonna spike it. Do not let Miles Garrett live in infamy. That this that Aaron Rodgers is Brett Favre right where he's the quarterback we see sacked, you know, when Strahan breaks the record. So like that's where my mind goes on all this. Whether that's real or not, I don't know. I guess you'd have to ask Rogers and those guys. But I don't blame them, Like I didn't want teams to break records against us. You know, those years that you were losing. If you played a divisional rival or somebody that you could knock out of the playoffs and you already out, You're like, well, if I'm gonna be home, I'm gonna ruin their season. So I just think that's kind of the NFL. I don't know if anyone in the NFL wants to see in their moment in their game, their team get like better one upped. So if that was their mindset and they didn't want him to break the record, then I have no problems with it.

00:43:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I got there's there's part of me that thinks and again I'm just assuming, but Aaron's playing is like he's trying to play to win. But in the back of Aaron's mind, he's like, this is not another thing where I'm gonna follow suit. Yeah, far I'm not gonna take over Brett Farva.

00:43:33
Speaker 1: Oh you think you think history was in the back of his mind.

00:43:36
Speaker 2: As a competitor, Like why wouldn't he think about that? You know what I'm saying, like all the things where he's kind of like he's been the next Brett Fava Green Bay, like going and playing for different.

00:43:45
Speaker 1: Teams, like the same different team.

00:43:47
Speaker 2: The same different team, like all of these things, and just the relationship they seem to have had with everything that's come out. I'm just sure, like as a competitor, that that was one thousand percent probably in his mind to some extent, you know what i mean, Like I'm not gonna be I'm not taking over Brett Farm's clip for like giving up the record seat.

00:44:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so surprising to me. Like we had Dean Dawkins on last week. He was gonna he was playing the Browns and in that game, it's like, hey, he's coming, Like you don't make sure you're not the guy, and it ends up not being the guy. Now the Steelers game has happened. That was only one game left for him to get this. I just keep picturing in my head like it's the fourth quarter, there's a couple of minutes left and who I don't know who the Brown's playing.

00:44:26
Speaker 2: I think it's the Bengals. So it's a game that means nothing.

00:44:29
Speaker 1: Game means nothing.

00:44:30
Speaker 2: Everybody right now this week is planning for Hey, where are we going in the office?

00:44:33
Speaker 1: Right And so does Joe Burrow. He'll probably get sacked anyway based on the way his his his career is gone and getting sacked. But does Joe Burrow bend the knee and kind of give Miles Garrett one to take home the all time record because Miles when he when he was getting close, there's like three shot games and it was like he had like twenty five tape to his wrist. He's thinking beyond the sack record, like he's like, I'm gonna handle this no problem now. There's gotta be a level of like I might never get here again. I might never get to the opportunity where I can break the record. Panic is starting to set in, probably on in his camp, like I've got to get this fucking record now, and if I don't, like I'll probably never sniff this again.

00:45:11
Speaker 2: And the Bengals like, even though you say Joe b is he gonna be like, I don't think the division rival to me. If you're the Bengals, You're there is no goal for this game. The entire goal should be Miles Garrett is not getting this record on us.

00:45:23
Speaker 1: But Joe, Joey b has kind of got that. You can see his press conferences with the Bengals. He's a adult, you know, he doesn't seem like he's happy. He's saying very vague things. I could see Joe pulling a Aaron Rodgers, which not Aaron Rodgers. Brett far where Brett was like it was kind of known that, Like Brett kind of gave it to my action fell down, Yeah, play action fell down. Let him have it? Like, can we see Joe Burrow be like, let me get this guy one or two? You know, set the tone. Who's gonna set it? I'll set it for the boy, cause this is true history that we're looking at here. It's like, Yo, it's crazy.

00:45:57
Speaker 2: I like thinking that this game now has true meaning, room meaning, because.

00:46:01
Speaker 4: Dud it's a great game for males. Garrett to try to break it right, because the offensive lines poured. You know, historically the last couple of years they've been poor, and they're gonna throw the ship out of the ball. Yeah, right, So you're gonna get a ton of pass attempts. You're gonna get a ton of passing downs if for whatever reason they don't give up a sack to Miles Garrett. Then we have to look back on the last couple of years and be like, what how come you when the game meant nothing? You guys protected the ship out of Joe Burrow. Years you've seen him just get his lock knocked off?

00:46:33
Speaker 2: What's going on here?

00:46:34
Speaker 4: Like all of a sudden, you guys needed this record to like motivate yourselves that point.

00:46:39
Speaker 2: Hey, but Greg, if you're if you're a tight end on the Bengals, like what would be your goal going into the game, Like are you Are you somebody that would as a tight end? Be like, hey, coach, like Chip, I'll fucking block all game. We're not letting Miles Garrett get this sack.

00:46:54
Speaker 4: I mean I did my fair share of chips. I had my fair share of that guy didn't see me coming ear hole shot. I didn't love that, Like I didn't love the idea of like ear holding a guy who wasn't looking at me. I mean I did it. It wasn't something I got great pride out of. I didn't feel like, oh, I'm a badass because I just ear hold this guy who didn't see me. I want to run down the field, like my life, my whole career was like running down the field far Like I watch a lot of these offenses now far like it's naked flat, it's naked drag, it's naked over, And I'm looking at myself like, oh my god, I would have caught three thousand balls and these offenses like we were vertical, we were going downfield. We were middle benders, we were deep overs. We were twenty two inside numbers of the hash and two yards inside the hash, Like I couldn't afford to chip anyone unless you just ran a flat or a check, And I had no interest in any of that. Like I wanted downfield ball in the air, air yards. That was just my game. So I would had a hard time playing in an offense with a whole game. I just edged and chipped. We did it, but it was not something that I wanted to make a living doing because it just really it cuts down on the types of route you can run.

00:48:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you you.

00:48:11
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you're ready to just sacrifice running routes that way.

00:48:16
Speaker 4: He's trying to hit eighty catches for everywhere.

00:48:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, Like, are you aware it's record?

00:48:23
Speaker 4: I mean, what about my incentive? About eighty catches. I know, fifty grand Do we care about that?

00:48:28
Speaker 2: Greg?

00:48:28
Speaker 1: If you spent if you spent your life worrying about check chipping people and not moving the ball down the field, you're standing up to close your blinds when the sun's in your face.

00:48:36
Speaker 4: Correct hitting a button?

00:48:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like that's a little bit better. Now it is a lot better. Yeah.

00:48:42
Speaker 4: Here's what I will say though, And Taylor, you'll appreciate this and every tackle I ever played with, Like even when we got like new guys like Michael or came and Khalil's brother Matt came, So we had a couple like tackles join us in our run in Carolina and they all love this. So pat on the back to me. I I played ninety percent of the game in a two point stance, but attached to the tackle. We had kind of formed an eleven personnel like in passing situations. But I would My rule was I never let the defensive end ever line up outside of me. So I was never gonna take my split my distance from you. If I was lined up on the left side and I was trying to gauge my distance from you as the left tackle, would I would say, I'm always going to capture the defensive end. I didn't want to stand so close to you. I'm three yards from two yards from you, and then Miles Garrett's a wide nine technique outside me. I go run my route and you sit. Miles Garrett is like six yards from you, running at your face.

00:49:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's terrifying.

00:49:42
Speaker 4: That's terrifying. But how often you see tight ends. They come up, they set their feet, and then the defensive end picks where he needs to go. I would come real wide out of the huddle, wait for the defensive end to pick his landmark on you, and then I would reduce my split. And I'll never forget. I was playing in Detroit one year. Kyle Van den.

00:50:03
Speaker 1: Bosch, remember him, Oh yeah, Yeah.

00:50:05
Speaker 4: He'd wear those lens, uh like contact lenses and ship where like he didn't have a pupil. Like this guy was a maniac. And I'm messing with him in my split and I'm not letting him take these like wide ghost nine splits on pass downs. And he's losing his ship and he's trying to move and I just keep moving with him, just trying to capture him on the tackle. And he looks at me and he motherfucks me and screams in my face about moving my split. I almost shit my pants. He was like a demon. I was like, dude, you're scariest shit and you'll probably kill me on the next run play. But I am not going to let you line up on our left tackle nine yards off of his ankle.

00:50:45
Speaker 1: That is uh, well, that is big time and you should have so you pat yourself on the back for that.

00:50:49
Speaker 4: There was no the.

00:50:50
Speaker 2: Left tackle needs to be saying did he send you a Christmas gift this year?

00:50:53
Speaker 4: Every year?

00:50:54
Speaker 2: Every year?

00:50:55
Speaker 1: I love it, dude, I love it because we would we would go through we would play like big time, big time guys like do uh Suggs or Miller or whoever, and I be like, hey, we're gonna chip. We would go through indye periods of like, hey, these are how the tackles like to get like to get chipped. And there was nothing worse to me than when the tight end would line up tight to me and then the defensive end would line up in a wide nine on the outside of him, and the chip would be, oh, he beat me off the ball. Let me push him in the back so he gets a more of a jumpstart, and I literally I would just tell you, guys, I'm like, bro, if I don't need you to do much, just get in front of him for a second and bring him to me. That's all I want you to do.

00:51:30
Speaker 4: Bring him to You got to contain him. You gotta capture him and push him.

00:51:33
Speaker 1: In, funnel him in. But when you are behind him and you're pushing his ass so he gets farther up the field, I'm in panic mode.

00:51:40
Speaker 4: Now.

00:51:41
Speaker 1: Now I'm in i have to get the hell out of whatever situation I am. I don't know where I am as if as far as pocket integrity or nothing, And it's just it's absolute hell. It's the worst feeling in the world.

00:51:50
Speaker 4: When the tight end the lines outside of him, I could chip him, Yeah, I could like crack him on some sort of like pin and pull outside run play. What I really liked about it that twice a game that they asked me to pass protect, I liked being on the outside and I would just power jump the shit out of him outside in and I would just earhole them, snatch them at the line of scrimmage. I didn't want to set as a why I didn't want to set as a nine technique myself. If you didn't want to do it, I sure shit didn't want to do it. It just made the light the game so much easier when there was the tight end and the tackle and the defensive end lined up in between them. That's the idea. I just don't know why more people don't do it.

00:52:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't understand tight end's past setting one. It always always looks terrible. They don't know what they're doing. Put there exactly, get on them right away. I'll come help you in a minute, because you know, it's like play action. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go into the big gap. I'm gonna check my linebacker, and the first thing I'm doing is gonna check you. Just lose outside. I'll meet you between him and the quarterback.

00:52:48
Speaker 4: Dude, I would. I mean, I'm sure it happened a handful of times over the years. But like if I got trapped on a pass set, we used to call it Randy Louie, where like the tight end had the end, the line would slide away and then the back was like my help. But like if the backskuy came then I was one on one. If I had that guy outside of me, and I knew it was like a traditional kickset wide punch. I was like, all right, man, like this is gonna be a fucking battle. Yeah, But if I had that guy inside, it didn't matter who he was. If I knew I could block him down from the outside and then just wrestle him even if he knocked me back. He had to knock me back from the line of scrimmage.

00:53:27
Speaker 1: I was fine, Yeah, that's diaslow death. Like you under stand in the process, you understand, I love her all. Talking about our fears, you blocking one on one, me getting a wide nines ass pushed, you playing man coverage.

00:53:40
Speaker 2: It's all hell anytime of back motions out of the backfield, we can't check, yeah to rat or replace with the safety blitzing to where I could take the blitz and he can go cover the bag. Yeah, I was in a mental health.

00:53:51
Speaker 4: Didn't have a segment where we each get to air our like worst nightmare that we had to like hide for twenty years when we played and these things suck. We just had to be like, dude, I'm good at everything, right, nothing I can't do, And now we have like a free it's like a free get out of jail card. You get like one segment of Monday where you can admit all the shit you weren't good at and that you were scared to death.

00:54:15
Speaker 5: Of doing exactly due because it's so funny how that the plays we're talking about probably happened two or three times a game, but we would spend most of the game thinking, when are these two or three times.

00:54:26
Speaker 2: Most of the going to happen week? Most of the week, what situation could this?

00:54:31
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I feel good about this, this and this, but if this comes up, I swear to God. And then you'd be like the second quarter being like, when's it gonna happen? When you're in the middle, you just finished the player, You're like, I hope it's not this next play coming up.

00:54:41
Speaker 4: You know, it's like a third down. You're like, it's third and six. You're looking at the sideline. You're like, don't call it, Yeah, don't, don't.

00:54:47
Speaker 1: Don't on a route.

00:54:49
Speaker 4: I'm doing good down the field.

00:54:50
Speaker 1: I would tell my coaches. I'd be like, hey, listen, I don't care about like a lot of chips. I just need one early in the game. I need one like legit chip them early in the game that way he's thinking about it. Anytime the tight end would come in and then give me one around the third quarter, give me two, and I'm happy because it makes him think. And that's all I need is for them just to think a little bit. Then I'll be all right.

00:55:11
Speaker 4: But it was a terrifying my career. At the end of my career, when you know you're old and you just say whatever the fuck you want to say and you don't care anymore. Yeah, we would be in like install meeting on third down and if there was like more than one play where the tight end had to stay in. And remember, like back early in our careers, we used to call it like Mustang protection, where like the tight end and the running back would stand next to the quarterback and it was like full seven man protection and anyway like that, or when you had to block the d end, if they had more than like one or two of those, it'd be like, hey, anybody have any questions. I'm like, I got a question and be like, all right, what elson I'd be like, so this twenty five million dollar an end that all that week I've heard we got a chip and we got to engin. We got to give body presents to our fifteen million dollar tackles. I'm gonna block him on third and eight by myself while they all slide to nobody. I just want to make sure I have the protection understood correctly, because for the last four days I've been beat down my face about chip Edge, don't get wide with your split running backs, give body presents. But now on third and eight, it's like, don't worry. Olsen's got von Miller and everyone else. You just go slide and just do this whole slide thing where nobody touches anyone. That's what we're gonna call on third and eight, you know, And everyone would laugh, But I was like, I'm not even joking.

00:56:32
Speaker 2: Is so stupid, right, right, You're not joking? Yes, I feel you there, like when I would have to eventually soil the DN because they wouldn't want to bam in the red zone and I'll just back so just again, just we want to get this clear what we're worried about in the red zone inside, let's say the fifteen we're worried about this choice route from darren Sprolls. You're telling me I can't BAM when I know this option route's coming because he's gonna be in an obvious chowel alignment. I can't bam the end. You want me to cover him one on one. I just want to be clear because I've asked if I could BAM all week and nobody's really told me anything.

00:57:05
Speaker 4: What the fuck does BAM mean?

00:57:07
Speaker 2: Bam is when the end will come out and hit or bam running like yeah, yeah, yeah, he'll push it so defensively ship. Yeah, the def yeah, basically a defense ship.

00:57:17
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that.

00:57:18
Speaker 2: So that way the running back once they get hit, they have to just get in their route asat versus.

00:57:22
Speaker 4: Coming free release on one in space. And then when he scores, you'll get coached up about where your alignment was and where your leverage was, and well.

00:57:32
Speaker 2: You got to close the distance, stay inside out. You gotta get your hands on him. At some point. It's Darren fucking Sprolls. Yeah, but the ends will get mad because the ends you got to take them out of their pass rush because like you want me to bam Sprolls when you expect to cover I'm like, it's Darren Sprolls. I would love if I could just get a little some kind of chip on this man before we run. They're highly targeted their favorite route, which is a choice route in the red zone. Yeah.

00:57:54
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the offensive quality control guys stood up there on Wednesday on out team and said, hey, guys, darren Sprolls, we got us. I could have told you it was a touchdown four days exactly.

00:58:08
Speaker 1: Well, I just imagine Will and the defensive man coming up to Will and be like, Yo, what do you making me? Bamed, He's like, justin, I'd rather not be in that play. I'd rather not be in.

00:58:16
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I'm in, so I need you to trim Murphy.

00:58:21
Speaker 4: I'd rather get a fucking calf cramp and come out of the game. I'm not thrilled about it either.

00:58:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh dude, Yeah, that's that's I'm glad we got to work through that.

00:58:31
Speaker 2: We got a playoff game with your Carolina Panthers Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Wow, that's a game that means something winning in Both of you guys lost over the weekend. I do like the Panthers this week. Like, if I'm leaning on anything, it's gonna be the defense of the Panthers.

00:58:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a winning in there is this like weird not a weird scenario, but there is this like far fetched scenario that if somehow the Falcons beat the Rams tonight, then even if Tampa eats Carolina next week, if the Falcons also win and they played New Orleans, that it would be a three way tie. And then Carolina even if they lost, they would be an eight to nine winner.

00:59:14
Speaker 2: So they'd still get in.

00:59:16
Speaker 4: So they'd still get in. So that's that's assumed that the Falcon that the Falcons don't beat the Rams tonight, and yeah.

00:59:24
Speaker 2: To win.

00:59:24
Speaker 4: And in the way, Carolina is very weird, like one week good, one week off. They've kind of won, lost one loss. They kind of bounce back and forth weekly over the last like eight weeks. Tampa Bay is really struggling. They just cannot find their way this back half the season after starting so strong, may have just not been nearly as effective, not nearly as efficient, especially on offense. So yeah, I mean, I'd like to see Carolina make the playoffs. I think that'd be really cool. We haven't been since twenty seventeen, so it's been a while, so I think it's fascinating that after all this it's gonna come down to one game Week eighteen, most likely winner take all. But yeah, I think Carolina's got a great shot. They seem to bounce back, they seem to lose after they win, and win after they lose. So from a pattern standpoint, Week eighteen looks good.

01:00:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love the pattern talk. My kids are all about patterns right now. I think you're right. Like the run game of the Panthers, I think Bryce has actually looked better this year. He said, he makes some really good throws and it's like the inconsistency. But at the same time, you look at Tampa Bay and just riddled with injuries. Something's wrong with Baker. It feels like he looks like a guy that's just like willing himself to play every single week when he needs to be on a stretcher or getting some rehab. So yeah, I like the Panthers as well. I like the Panders. I think it doesn't really matter. I think both whichever team goes in the playoffs, it's a very short playoff run, but making the playoffs still says a lot about your franchise.

01:00:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get into the get in the dance. Yeah, you get the dance.

01:00:50
Speaker 1: Anything can happen.

01:00:51
Speaker 2: How do you see the uh, how do you see the one seed sticking out? Because I want to get to where we're talking who we think can make the run to the Super Bowl Big games. Next week you'll have what Seattle and the Niners, which you'll have which has massive implace. Yeah.

01:01:06
Speaker 1: The winner of that game has the one seedon. Yeah, which is wild.

01:01:11
Speaker 2: In the shadows all you're winning and taking care of this. Yeah, what you cut?

01:01:14
Speaker 1: You gotta love that about them, man. Yeah, like Shanahan incredible? Well, who who you got in that game?

01:01:20
Speaker 4: I think Shanahan. I said this yesterday in our game we had Indianapolis and Jacksonville and we were talking about the job Liam Cohen's done. And you know, they got one pro bowler and it's the long snapper, and what a job he's done. They won their twelve game and all that, and I made the comment that it's probably the most packed coach of the year, you know, candidacy pool, candidate pool in years. I mean you start talking about like the one year turnarounds, Ben Johnson, Vrabel and and Liam Cohen, then you start talking about the job Mike McDonald's done in his second year in Seattle, getting that right back on track. Are really the best team in the league, you know, give or take. And then and then with Shanahan, you know, a guy that we've seen playing Super Bowl is a guy that's name has been in the mix of, you know, one of the top coaches in the league for a long time. So maybe we don't appreciate because we just assume the forty nine ers should always be good. But I mean, you look at what that team has gone through, right They lost Brock Purdy for stretches of game, They lose Fred Warner done, Bosa done, Miss Kittle. I want to say last night was Kittle's like fourth or fifth missed game they've played without Chunks, you know, Ayuk just disappeared off the face of the earth. Like they have had some really interesting roster situations, and now here they are in a week eighteen, win and not only win your division, but get the first round by as the one seed and play and have home field advantage through the Super Bowl potentially. So Shanahan's in that mix. I think it's remarkable that game last night was incredible score and forty plus. I just I worry defensively in the playoffs. We've talked about that on here a lot. I think defense matters a lot more come postseason than it does in the regular season. The teams that make the playoff are disproportionately offensively driven. There's a few anomalies, you know, Texans. In the past, there's been some teams that have been road on their defense, but it's mostly good teams that can score points. So now it's like, Okay, who can actually stop somebody who can actually play competent defense, run game. Some of the things that don't have as big of an impact over the course of a long season do matter in a one and done scenario in the playoffs. So I'd still go with Seattle because I think Seattle's defense is as good, if not better than any I think offensively, they're still hit or miss, They're still not exactly sure. They got to get that pass game back to what it was. But San Francisco's offense is probably the best offense of the last three or four weeks in the league. The defense scares me.

01:03:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I brought Pertty has been playing girl. The zero pass rushed by the defense right now. On Fando Sportsbook, Kyle Shanahan is plus one thirty. He's the favorite right now.

01:03:53
Speaker 2: He's the favorite.

01:03:53
Speaker 1: He's the favor for Coach of the year fall by pipe.

01:03:55
Speaker 4: So you would have to bet one thirty to win one hundred.

01:03:58
Speaker 1: No, if you bet one hundred, win one hundred and thirty. So yeah, so he gets plus odds. These are futures, that's usually they're always gonna sit in the plus. So Shanahan's plus one thirty. Mike Vrabels next at one forty, plus one forty, then as a big drop off of Mike McDonald at plus five hundred, and then Liam colem Is at fifteen hundred from there, which I thought Liam would be a little higher than that.

01:04:19
Speaker 2: It's dude, it's honestly just because of the market that they're in, Like it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, Like nobody Rames won.

01:04:26
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year in twenty one or something like that with the with the Titans in there.

01:04:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably Verah one coach of the year's Ran Rivera one Coach of the Year twice with us, and yeah, we're small market.

01:04:37
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I mean, Liam com dude, it.

01:04:39
Speaker 2: Is jating odds.

01:04:40
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this because again I'm not overly familiar with how the whole thing works, So like is there an element to that where name recognition. So for these odds makers, the Shanahans of the world are gonna just get more bets placed on them because there's more name recognition as opposed to Liam Cohen. So by they got to reduce the odds of a guy like Shanahan because he's gonna get so much action. Is that part of it?

01:05:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I want to say, Vegas, they just they just they understand the pulse of what's going to happen or what's going on at this current moment. So for example, like the moment Fernando Mendoza, so it was very close between Diego Pavia and Fernando Mendoza. And this is just one example of like a futures bet. They were both neck and neck going.

01:05:21
Speaker 1: Into Diego was a favorite over that's right, do.

01:05:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, Diego was a favorite over Mendoza. And the talk that week was if for Nanda Mendoza has a good game against Ohio State, like a good quarterback, got stats, got touchdowns, all this stuff, like Fernana Mendoza could edge out and could beat Diego Pavia. Well for Nanda Mendoz only through what one touchdown? Yeah yeah, big there down in the game, but nothing. That's like he should have ran away with this. But the moment that game ended, Banana Mendoza became minus three thousand in the sportsbook to win the Heisman. So it's like they ultimately knew who was gonna win a Heisman immediately after that game concluded. Yeah you know what I mean to where you could argue, you could talk about the Diego all you wanted, but he wasn't even close once that game ended. As far as the sports the sports book and the markets and the betting odds and everything else. So what Fando's saying this is Shanahan's become a real favorite. They don't know who's gonna win out of Rabel and Shanahan. That's why they're only ten off. Who was third on the list.

01:06:19
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, but he was plus five hundred.

01:06:21
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald plus five hundred and then Liam Cohen at plus fifteen hundred. Is just in the world of us arguing or debating about it, it seems bizarre because Liam Cohen has just as good of a resume, if not better than everybody else, Like I know, there's a lot of great candidate's, Like even Ben Johnson, he wasn't even in the top four. He's probably sitting it. He's probably sitting at fifth in the odds. And I get that they just lost in Shanahan that kind of edges him out there. But as far as how close the race could be, it seems like it's gonna come down to Rabel or Shanahan. If Shanahan wins this next week against getting the one seed over Seattle, it seems like Shanahan's gonna get it. If the Niners lose and Vrabel they beat, who do they play? The Dolphins?

01:07:02
Speaker 4: Yes, I have that game, Patriots Dolphins.

01:07:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Patriots Dolphins. If Patriots win and Niners lose, like Vable, it seems like he's going to be the likely one to win Coach of the Year. That's how the odds, that's how the markets kind of have it set up.

01:07:15
Speaker 1: The next two after that was Ben Jonson at plus two thousand and then Sean Payton at plus six thousand.

01:07:20
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:07:20
Speaker 1: So yeah, so right now to two man race. It's two man race.

01:07:23
Speaker 4: I think they're taking into account all the momentum that Jacksonville has though, yeah, won games in a row.

01:07:30
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm with you that that.

01:07:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that.

01:07:32
Speaker 2: I know you're joking. But to me, that's why it's also so bizarre because what Cohen, Trevor Lawrence, he's been playing really well, like what Jacksonville has done this year, compared to what they go last year four and thirteen. Yeah, yep, four and thirteen to where they're now now they're only a four lost team. What they've done, it seems wild that it's the gap is so far with Liam Cohen being in this coach.

01:07:53
Speaker 4: On their whole roster.

01:07:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's crazy you brought up as a long snapper because I know the Patriots had three or four Pro Bowlers. I mean, Drake May was one of the quarterback. Yeah, one of us who is a serious the MVP of the league, arguably MVP, but he was at an MVP caliber quarterback at the beginning of the year. In August September, the conversation revolving around Drake May was one more year and he's going to be a guy in this league. And then all of a sudden, after they started with a one to two early in the year, it became like, oh, Drake may is the guy, which would tell you that a lot of coaching took place. Guys if you look at their roster and I'm not very familiar with Jaguars roster, but the Patriots roster isn't a roster. It's like Ravens, Eagles, like even the Bengals, like they're not a roster that you're like you can really hang on, be like, this is a contending team, yet I think who the Broncos play, because if the Broncos lose and they.

01:08:43
Speaker 2: Win, Broncos played the Chargers.

01:08:45
Speaker 1: So Broncos loose, are the Chargers and the Patriots beat Miami, they have the one seed, right, So that's who you look at to be like, oh, I can see why Vrabel should be it should be a coach of the Year guy. I think Liam Comb should be in that one fifty one sixty range. If he's a third, put him at plus one sixty because those guys do have a hell of a resume to say I should be coach of the year. Those three especially, I would throw Ben Johnson in there as well. It's incredible, what I mean. Caleb Williams is a similar conversation too, Like this year, it's like he's all these bad habits, they're kind of masking him and stuff like that, but the kid is just he truly has gotten better every single week. So it's it's gonna be awesome to see.

01:09:20
Speaker 4: And then again, I'm not taking anything away from very books, I think sure, yeah, I do think there is an element also for some of those guys where they're calling the plays, they're coaching the quarterback, they're like, and again I'm not saying Rabel's not doing a ton because he obviously has won in multiple spots. Again, I'm not making this an anti Vrabel thing at all, but like last night, when you're watching San Francisco fight that game out, you're watching Ben Johnson and Kyle Shanahan duel it out where the only reason San Francisco won is they scored forty plus games, forty plus points in regulation. Yeah, it is impressive, Like that was too high level coaches who are also calling the plays, who are also coaching the quarterback, who are also like, that's there's a that's a big, huge impact. I mean, that's why those coaches are the ones everybody's trying to go find the advantage New England's going to have. And this is the brilliant I give a lot of credit to Vrabel for how he did this is if you're not going to call the offensive plays as a head coach, the next best option is to hire a formally fired offensive head coach that likely is not going to be stolen away from you anytime soon. Like, I don't know if Josh for as good of a job as Josh McDaniels has done with Drake May. You don't ever hear his name as the next head coach. You hear Clint Kubiak, and you hear all these because we've seen Josh daniels be a head coach and now maybe in his next time he would do a great job. Who knows, But like, there's an advantage to hire former fired head coaches as your coordinator on the other side of the ball, because you're not fearful you're going to lose them. Yeah, so that's the next best scenario if that play caller is your head coach. Ala Shanahan, McVeigh, Ben Johnson, et cetera. So it's a good setup what New England has.

01:11:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:11:09
Speaker 1: The Shanahan things so interesting to me because it reminds me of like what I'm assuming it was like for when people were watching Michael Jordan or Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, like these great consistent players that were so amazing Lebron James as well, where it's like they're doing incredible things, but eventually the public's like, Okay, he does incredible things, and you kind of like take away from how how successful they've been and it's like, oh, that's just them, so you don't hold the weight of them being successful as much as you would. Rabel who comes in the first year at the Patriots, Ben Johnson, it's like, oh, Kyle Shanahan, Yeah he's good, he's had a great year, a lot of injuries, but people aren't really realizing what he's done for the franchise, right.

01:11:44
Speaker 2: I think they're solely starting to come about it now now him be becoming the favorite. It's almost like yeah, if they win, like he'll get it, yeah and.

01:11:51
Speaker 1: He should vote.

01:11:53
Speaker 6: It.

01:11:53
Speaker 4: Remind me when this like when do all these.

01:11:55
Speaker 1: Awards, so the playoffs they say, do not get but I think the voting ends after the divisional round. You might be right, it's sometime in the playoffs before the Super Bowl, that the vote happens, PA playoffs can become a massive fact, a massive factor.

01:12:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be I'm excited to see what the Patriots do in the playoffs because again, if you go by strength of schedule, they have the statistically the worst strength of schedule. Who's this the Patriots.

01:12:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see them in the playoffs as well.

01:12:25
Speaker 4: I have them for the first time this week, so I'm actually is to dive in, Drake study watch them because I've only seen them from afar. I've seen highlights, I've watched clips, but I haven't actually spent any time watching them. So I got them Miami. I got Patriots Miami in Foxborough this weekend. So I'm actually curious if my opinions of them change better or worse at the end of the week than where I am now before. I haven't really had a chance to dive in yet.

01:12:52
Speaker 2: I think they'll I think they'll come out better. Like Drake May is such a baller. Everybody knows what Drake May's been doing, but just offensively, the vibe and feel like again we've played for these Vabel teams, like when they have when the culture is hitting whenever. When all the vibes are going in, they're winning football games. Like you just see the geil going on in New England. Their defense is salty. I think you'll have a lot of fun, like diving into the weeds of the Patriots.

01:13:16
Speaker 1: The buy ins incredible.

01:13:17
Speaker 2: I think they can where it stays for me right now, like before Week eighteen happens, because Week eighteen obviously has a lot of implications. But let's say everybody handles their business and are slotted where they are currently slotted. Me, I see the Super Bowl being uh, Seattle in New England is what I would call. I would love that Super Bowl Seattle in New New England.

01:13:37
Speaker 1: I would absolutely love it. Let's talk, I mean, we know what we gotta get you out of here. Let's talk playoffs real quick. If I said to you Denver Broncos, New England, Patriots, Jacksonville, Jaguars, Houston Texans, Los Angeles Chargers, Buffalo Bills, and I left out Steelers and Ravens there because we'll find that out next week. Of those teams are just named, who you got who you think has got the best? Because I feel like people are really on the NFC. But the AFC, dude, like, I have no idea whos going to come out of that.

01:14:05
Speaker 4: I really don't. I mean, I think we've been saying this every Monday morning for the last two months. Like the AFC, I could make a really strong argument for every single one of those teams why they could win the whole thing and why they couldn't. I'll tell you who I think is sneaky. And I'm not saying this is my number one, but I well, I might be. I think the Houston Texans are a sneaky postseason team because defense is so now is so much more important. I've said this a thousand times, but like defenses can carry you a lot more in the postseason than the can regular season. They got off to a fast start those explosive plays on Saturday Night against against the Chargers, Like that's what they need to be get stroud, pushing the ball downfield, hard play action stuff thrown over the top of your head. So I think they're just good enough on offense to be just like middle of the road, hang in there, make the players that are there, and I think they can be dominant, like suffocatingly dominant on defense and we've seen, We've seen that formula work. Now I can make an argument for the Patriots. I do think at some point in the playoffs, like overall, roster does start matter, like when you start looking at like premier players, star players. I'm not sure where Jacksonville and New England are quite yet. You know, they're very early in this rebuild quote unquote, So I do think they have some work to do there of just getting prominent players at impactful positions. But I think that AFC man is just so up in the air. I think LA and Seattle are the two clear cut over a long period of time. I think they're the two best teams. Know whether they win or lose, who knows, but I think they're the two best teams in the NFC with and then you know, we can debate the rest. But AFC, I think it goes like five or six teams deep.

01:15:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and once tam he didn't even mention with the Broncos into the one seed. Yeah, but that'll to me that that whole team is what does bow Knicks do?

01:16:06
Speaker 2: So the way this would work out currently where it's his, because we don't know what's gonna happen with the AFC North. We don't know what's gonna happen with the NFC South, but where the bracket sits right now is Houston would play Pittsburgh. Houston's gonna play whoever comes out of the North, and then Houston would have to go to Denver. I think Houston matches up really well against Ever because that defense would be would be nasty, that's and that would be a big time showdown. Yeah, that'd be a big time showdown in Denver. Houston versus Denver. Where I would lean is Houston because I agree with you Greg on that that team just being like a sneaky dominant team because their defense is so nasty and violent, and they got the guys that can rush the passer, they have the secondary, they got backers who can fly around the football field. And then coming out on the bottom side, it would be you'd have Jacksonville in the Chargers facing off. I would I would take Jacksonville in that game. You got Buffalo the Patriots. I would be taking the Patriots, and then I think Jacksonville coming to New England, that's where New England wins, and then you would have whoever the winner is out of out of Denver in Houston, which who knows, who knows who's gonna win that game. I just dude, it's gonna be hard for me to bet against Drake bet against Drake May, and just the focus of that that everybody's gonna be focused. But again being in those being in those positions, like with Rabel, just knowing how he talks about the game and everything else. To me, it be hard to get off what Drake Ma can do.

01:17:28
Speaker 1: And the run to the run game's coming alive. Drake May's in the best deep ball since what Russell Wilson in the second year when they won the Super Bowl. Like, that's kind of what it's.

01:17:35
Speaker 2: In New England being in a spot too to where if they if they were to take down the Chargers or Jacksonville in Foxborough, they'll be set up to where if it's Houston coming out of it, they'll have to get through Denver, like that'll be a very physical game. Who the winner who comes out of that to where New England will be just positioned well, especially if Houston wins, they'll be hosting that AFC champions That's what that's what you.

01:17:55
Speaker 1: Want, that's what you want. The only thing I disagree with is I kind of lean Denver over here Houston because that's gonna be an awesome That's gonna be awesome game. But I just think, I mean, their offensive lines give up the least amount of SAX season. Yeah, and that's where it's like best on best, let's see what we got here. But if you can slow those guys down even a little bit, that you put yourself in a more advantageous situation.

01:18:14
Speaker 4: I think how many games in a row has Houston won, like seven, eight, seven or.

01:18:18
Speaker 2: Eight eight games in a row I believe.

01:18:20
Speaker 4: And Jacksonville's won yesterday was their sixth in a row.

01:18:25
Speaker 2: Seven here we go again. Six. Yeah, it's one of those, one of those.

01:18:30
Speaker 4: So again I ask which team enters the playoffs with the most juice and the most momentum and the most energy and feeling the best. They haven't lost in months.

01:18:41
Speaker 2: But if you talk about New England too, like they've really only had one bad half of football came back. Yes, yeah, they lost the momentum, that's the momentum.

01:18:51
Speaker 1: Well, the halftime always, halftime always resets, momentum resets.

01:18:55
Speaker 4: We haven't even talked about Themnium checklist, so I know like when it stops, starts, when it ends, when it resets.

01:19:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send you those lists.

01:19:04
Speaker 1: Is a point system as well as far as like three and outs touchdowns.

01:19:08
Speaker 2: You're always gonna hear about momentum from me after the result happens.

01:19:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is which is smart, Which is smart because you know, I would imagine that the team going in the Texans. So the Texans play the Chargers this weekend.

01:19:21
Speaker 1: Yes, so let's just they just played.

01:19:25
Speaker 2: Broncos, played the charge them.

01:19:26
Speaker 4: Sorry, they played the.

01:19:27
Speaker 2: Jacksonville plays Oh, jackson Titans. Jacksonville plays the Titans, sneaky. The Texans play, Texans play the Colts.

01:19:39
Speaker 4: Okay, so we don't know what's going to go on with the Colts. Does Philip Rivers play? Do they start Riley Leonard? Who knows? The Colts have lost all their momentum, all of it, all of it.

01:19:49
Speaker 1: People are saying it's Sauce Gardner's fault, That's what people are saying.

01:19:53
Speaker 4: They and he's one in seven, one and seven. That's a tough season.

01:19:56
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:19:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's just say Houston keeps all their momentum and gets there like ninth win in a row. Tell me when their momentum ends if they lose in.

01:20:09
Speaker 1: The playoffs when the clock at zero, got it.

01:20:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they lose in the playoffs.

01:20:14
Speaker 1: That makes sense.

01:20:15
Speaker 4: So they have all the momentum until they lose. It. Is that fair?

01:20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah? Correct?

01:20:18
Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about winning a lot of like winning your last six or seven games. Damn it, I didn't mean to do that. They're winning those last games and rolling in the playoffs with momentum. That is a thing.

01:20:33
Speaker 4: I heard you say they were going to lose.

01:20:36
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's going to be a battle in Denver. I like the way Houston matches up against Denver and then coming out of that game, the road that the streak that they've been on. Houston Texas are the team where you labeled you don't want to play them in the playoffs like they are that team. I just in my brain, if I'm trying to predict everything right now, before we get in a week eighteen where the bracket sits like they would just then after going out to Denver, they would then have to go to Foxborough and winning the AFC Championship against a quarterback like Drake May. So that's where I would see they have all the momentum. Two teams got all the momentum, right, somebody's gotta lose the momentum.

01:21:12
Speaker 4: Both wait time out, time out. This is gonna be we both can have momentum at the same time.

01:21:19
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, momentum is a fickle thing.

01:21:22
Speaker 4: This is crazy, all of this.

01:21:26
Speaker 2: And then if Seattle wins against the Niners, I think it's gonna be hard for Seattle to lose at home at all in the playoffs. So they have a ton of momentum too, a ton of momentum. But if they lose to the Niners, they lose a lot of momentum. Now they become like a wild card team. Yeah, yeah, that would be crazy if they lost it. But like I guess, when did they lose? It would be a fun thing to dive into, Like right, just depends. That's why you played the game. That's why you play the game.

01:21:54
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by it. I think it's super interesting to look at it that way, and I'm gonna lean more into it, I think on my broadcasts.

01:22:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has got to be the team that has too much momentum, and you have.

01:22:08
Speaker 4: Too much that you actually like overdose. Oh, yeah the other way.

01:22:11
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that yep, that's called getting cocky.

01:22:14
Speaker 2: It's called getting hit in the mount Yeah yeah, it's called getting cocky.

01:22:17
Speaker 4: So we have different names, like up the threshold.

01:22:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.

01:22:21
Speaker 1: There is definitely a sweet spot of momentum. There's a sweet spot you gotta have.

01:22:25
Speaker 4: Does everyone have a different sweet spot? Oh?

01:22:28
Speaker 1: Absolutely Yeah. That's all based on the head coach.

01:22:32
Speaker 4: Got it?

01:22:32
Speaker 1: Yep, so that guy like Rabel?

01:22:35
Speaker 4: Now can that head coach? Losers? Like? So when did Yeah? So Vrabel had no momentum last year, got fired, couldn't win it, but then he got when did he get it back?

01:22:46
Speaker 2: He went, he had to go, He had to go, He had to go live in the darkness, he had to go sit with Yep, got it and then he came back out of the shadows.

01:22:54
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Raves man, he can hold so much momentum. When you get too much momentum.

01:22:59
Speaker 2: You gotta truly reset. That's why he had to go to Cleveland for a year. Yeah, Rabel's got the juice right now too. He just randomly shot Taylor and I had text Merry Christmas, Yeah, Merry Christmas, love dad.

01:23:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I looked at I just smile, and so my wife she goes, he really, he really does treat you like that all the time. Well, yeah, this is this is my life with grapes.

01:23:18
Speaker 4: This might be my favorite five minute segment.

01:23:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, but dude, yeah, I think I.

01:23:22
Speaker 4: Just find it fascinating. And and Twitter. Twitter really has been educating me a lot on like all of my shortcomings and my football takes because I don't put enough stock into and again I would I would give it more credibility if someone could tell me when it stops and starts.

01:23:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, what game do you cover this week?

01:23:50
Speaker 4: Patriots?

01:23:50
Speaker 2: So tons of momentum, tons of momentum.

01:23:53
Speaker 4: I'll watched that Dolphins. Dolphins had no momentum, fired their GM, got momentum back, lost the moment menim benched to a next game. No momentum, Queen yours are yeah, quin yours? No momentum. Last week beat Tampa who was playing for the division, got their momentum back yep. And now they go to Patriots. So two teams with really interesting momentum.

01:24:20
Speaker 1: No, what he doesn't know, he doesn't know about backup quarterback momentum or interim head coach met him.

01:24:25
Speaker 2: But Quinn did lose the first time he went out there.

01:24:27
Speaker 4: Well, they got They just had to. They had to.

01:24:30
Speaker 2: They just had to puol Quinn aside and say, hey, man, don't don't, don't put so much pressure on yourself. Just go find some juice. Yeah, yeah, go crank it this week. Don't take this game so seriously, go out there and sling it. Yep.

01:24:45
Speaker 4: The Dolphins got momentum back when the report came out that the coach wasn't going to get fired. Do you think that built their momentum.

01:24:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure a lot of guys got some juice from that. I'll tell you what, Greg, I'll watch the game with you on s Yeah, and I'll also text you. Just make sure you just check your phone so I can just be like, hey, it's time, it's time to talk momentum.

01:25:04
Speaker 4: Can we get on a group chat and we can talk momentum tonight through the game, the Monday night game.

01:25:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, we got you, Yeah, we got you. We'll let you know when.

01:25:13
Speaker 1: Calls between your commercial breaks, and we'll let you know exactly where it's at.

01:25:16
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, all right, welcome back here to snowy Foxborough jel At Stadium. Fourteen to seven. Hey guys, Joe, I just need to jump in. I just heard from the Busting boys. This momentum has completely flipped. There was no juice in the building. And now after that last three and out, New England has all the momentum.

01:25:37
Speaker 1: Here's what Fox needs to do is they need to have meters, yeah, meters and momentum of just like little like thermostats, and you just slowly they gain, they lose traction, and we can come up with a whole point system of momentum.

01:25:51
Speaker 4: How many times a game, in an average game like last night, how many times do you think momentum flipped in that game?

01:25:59
Speaker 1: Great question. Early in the game, momentum was stagnant because both teams were scoring back to back.

01:26:06
Speaker 4: Like you think the first play the game, pick six? Who had all the momentum?

01:26:10
Speaker 2: Niners, n oh yeah, my fault Bears. Yeah.

01:26:16
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, you just really that that wash That was about something where threw the pick and then convinced himself that was the best thing for him. I thought maybe you had, like, now.

01:26:30
Speaker 1: Hold on, there's something to that, Like what's your quarterback's biggest fear throwing a pick six?

01:26:34
Speaker 4: Right?

01:26:34
Speaker 1: Your worst fear happens right away. You can't be affected. Now, that's when you start to get the momentum. Well, yeah, live next to fear, Yeah, next to it.

01:26:44
Speaker 4: Okay, So he threw the pick six Chicago on the road all the momentum. Yeah, that's a defense that thrives off Takeaway's best takeaway team in the league, Dennis Allen. So they get it first play the game, pick six, and then they proceeded to give up forty two. Right.

01:27:04
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of things that happened. So momentum can be can be held in the hand, but it can't be owned just off of one plan. It's all about what happens in the next series. And I love that we're thinking this right now.

01:27:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got a little stagnant. Realize, Hey, our momentum isn't going to be defensively. The team is going to be offensively. Get the gun. We're in a shootout.

01:27:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Greg, can I ask you a question, please? What when did you stop believing a momentum?

01:27:28
Speaker 4: Because I'm leaning into this as a joke.

01:27:30
Speaker 1: No, no, no no, but you also you're a momentum gy, Greg's anti momentum, your anti momentum.

01:27:37
Speaker 4: What was it?

01:27:37
Speaker 3: What was it?

01:27:38
Speaker 1: What was the phrase?

01:27:39
Speaker 4: Your emotions?

01:27:40
Speaker 1: Emotions, however, they're not valid, they're not impactful.

01:27:44
Speaker 4: Let me be very clear. I'm going to give you my my official stance on all this, because right now I'm like over I'm I'm having We're having fun with the conversation.

01:27:52
Speaker 1: We're having fun.

01:27:54
Speaker 4: There is no question in my playing career that there were games I went into the game feeling better, worse, more confident, less confident, liked the game plan, didn't like the game plan, felt great about where my hands were, like I felt like I could really catch. And there were other games where I was like, I don't know, like there's something about this catch here that I just it's not hitting me right, and I'm really overthinking it. And I experienced all of those ranges of emotions, and all I'm saying is it had zero in output, had zero difference in the outcome of the game. Games where I went in and I'm like, I'm gonna catch a hundred. I'm feeling good. I just had back to back hundred yard games. I'm feeling really good. I'd have two catches for seventeen yards and I had two drops. We lost. I dropped the last third down. I probably should have caught it. I had I was the goat, the bad goat all week long. Olsen blew the game, and that next game you go in, You're like, shit, I hope I get an early pass. I hope I get my shit going and you get one fifty Like I don't know, Like.

01:29:00
Speaker 2: You get your momentum back there, you got it back.

01:29:01
Speaker 4: I guess my momentum came and went, is my point. So, like, do I think do I think this is an emotional game? Absolutely? Do I think teams and coaches should coach emotion I mean shit, you guys have seen my videos of coaching the kids, Like I am a passionate, competitive, emotional person, Like that's my personality, and I think football is played with emotion and football is played with energy. I'm not debating any of that is not a factor it is. I'm just saying, when it comes to decision making and trends and what we should do on the field, from a decision making standpoint, I think we just put so much credibility into emotion and momentum and it's really just a replacement of we don't really know why we're seeing what we're seeing, so we've just made up this non measurable you can't quantify it. It's the only explanation why a team could go touchdown, touchdown, pick six, fumble, touchdown, touchdown, miss the two point conversion, get the on side kick, like it's the only thing that explains the highs and lows of sport, and we don't know what else to call it.

01:30:15
Speaker 2: Momentum.

01:30:16
Speaker 4: That's what I think odd.

01:30:19
Speaker 2: So so he didn't answer the question he's look, Greg's going to become a moment I.

01:30:23
Speaker 4: Didn't answer the question.

01:30:25
Speaker 1: I want to know when you stop believing momentum.

01:30:28
Speaker 4: I think I I think I'm not going to say stopped believing. It's like saying I don't believe in Santa. I still believe in there's a magic, the idea.

01:30:37
Speaker 2: He doesn't a polar express, he doesn't hear the bell anymore. Yep, he doesn't believe in the momentum good recent doesn't believe in those.

01:30:42
Speaker 4: Spirit I started re evaluating trends in football probably after I was done, and I've gotten into this world now where I have to now get in front of millions of people every Sunday, nice and I have to based on an hour of conversations with these coaches, which are hiring degrees of information that they provide, and I have to be able to get up there and figure out, Okay, how do I best present this game to an audience that might be diehard fans and this might be the first time they've ever watched either one of these teams, Right, So you've got to split that baby and talk to the diehards. But you also can't assume everybody knows what they know, because they might just put the TV on this weekend for the first time to watch Drake May. So we need to introduce Drake May and Mike Vrabel and all these guys to the world every single week. But we have to do that where I'm not in the building. I'm not in meetings, I'm not in the locker room. I don't know the juice. I don't know who's feeling good. I don't know that Taylor's ankle sore. I don't know that Will doesn't want to guard Darren Sproles and the goal. Like, I don't know about any of this. So I have to look at the game through black and white trends. Okay, how are they on offensive efficiency? How are they in defensive efficiency? What coverages do they love on early downs? Okay, what does this team do on the early down run game? How do those match? What is there at? And you got to start breaking the go down the game through more of like an analytical perspective, because when I put on the film, I don't know if the left tackle was supposed to have helped by the left guard on a full slide protection when he got beat in the B gap and gave up a sack. I think he should have, but I don't know what the protection really was. I wasn't in the meeting like I was when I was a player. So I think the only way for me to fairly evaluate these teams and present the matchup is a more analytical approach, because it's really all we have. And as I dove more into these trends, and then I stand up there in the booth and I watch these games unfold. More often than not, what that data, what those analytics, what those reports laid out throughout the course of the week, more times than not, is exactly how the game goes. It's exactly how the team plays early downs, or the coverage or the blitz rate or whatever it is like, it typically holds pretty strong. I can't measure how hard you're playing. I'm assuming everyone's playing hard, so for me, it's not a factor. That is how I've now approached the game the last five years, and as I've approached it more like that, my understanding of the game and what I say actually happening on the field has gone up.

01:33:21
Speaker 2: Mmm.

01:33:22
Speaker 1: I love the way you just broke the whole thing down.

01:33:25
Speaker 2: Who do you call games with?

01:33:27
Speaker 4: Joe Davis?

01:33:28
Speaker 2: Joe Davis, I gotta tell you something, Joe, I gotta tell you something, Joe New England. Losing that game a couple of weeks ago versus the Buffalo Bills was the best thing to happen to this team because it has reignited and re sparked this momentum this team has going into the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, you guys, shit your pants, ship our pants. No, no, no, no, it's got to happen. It's gotta happen in the game when the Patriots score, and then we'll be in the group chat I'll say save the line and then hey, I tell you what, Joe, Yeah, I say?

01:34:02
Speaker 4: Will I love you? Say it back? Yeah, yeah, what do you think Twitter would do? What do you think the internet? How my mentions would be a dumpster fire? No, no, no, I said the word momentum. How much would people love to ship on me?

01:34:17
Speaker 1: I think people that don't see this will shoot before it, but the ones that do will love you forever for it love.

01:34:25
Speaker 2: If we're it'll be a turning point to where Greg now believes in momentum, in momentum, in the spirit of the playoffs.

01:34:31
Speaker 1: Right just before twenty twenty six, he believes reignited. Yeah, Greg's love for the game and the passionate momentum.

01:34:39
Speaker 4: Two thousand and it's my last story.

01:34:45
Speaker 1: After this.

01:34:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's been We've had him.

01:34:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he gotta get I'm gonna go do it.

01:34:51
Speaker 4: I gotta go sauna. I've eaten guys. I don't even want to weigh in.

01:34:55
Speaker 1: Hey, twenty twenty six.

01:34:57
Speaker 4: Yeah, give us your story, give us your story of the a lot of late night cocktails. I've really gotten into espresso, Martiniz. We talked about that, hey company, separate conversation.

01:35:08
Speaker 2: Anyway.

01:35:09
Speaker 4: Twenty fifteen, we win our first fourteen games. We're fourteen and oh on Christmas morning, we're fourteen and oh that weekend we played the Atlanta We played the Atlanta Falcons, who we had just two weeks prior. So in week thirteen, our thirteenth win, whatever week it was. In thirteenth win, we beat the Atlanta Falcons like thirty something to nothing. Week fourteen we win Christmas Week, our fifteenth game. So it's week sixteen. We go to Atlanta. We had just beat them by thirty. We were fourteen and oh, we had all the momentum. We're dabbing. We're fighting people in Tennessee in the end zone. I mean, we are right. Your fans are sending letters to the Charlotte Observer because Cam's dabbing it. Like you talk about emotion and high energy and vibes, and you couldn't be a more vibe team than we were. In twenty fifteen. We lose to Atlanta.

01:36:13
Speaker 2: Ooh, got too much.

01:36:14
Speaker 1: We'd lose hockey hockey.

01:36:17
Speaker 4: Cocky, we too much momentum. We lose to Atlanta. In Atlanta. Week seventeen, we come home a lot of debate about whether or not we should play the starters. We locked up the one seed. We play. We beat the Tampa Bay Bucks at home to finish the regular season fifteen and one bye week. We have all the momentum. Long story short, we beat Seattle. We were up thirty to nothing at halftime. Apparently we left the momentum in the locker room. We had to recover an on side kick to win the game. We then beat the doors off of Arizona. We scored like forty five. We were the number one offense in the league. We scored thirty plus against Seattle. We scored forty plus against the Cardinals. We scored ten points in the Super Bowl. So a year that was momentum and energy and vibes and good feelings and locker room and we scored ten points in the Super Bowl and lost. Yeah, But my point is like along the ride, were we good because we were good? Or were we good because we had vibes? Were we good because we had momentum? I just think we were good and I think we won a lot of games that were close and we blew a lot of people out because we were good, and Cam was the MVP and we had ten Pro Bowlers, So like, was it momentum or were we just good? And then all of a sudden, did we lose the momentum or did we just play shitty? Like I look back on the Super Bowl and I'm like, we played shitty. We didn't block von Miller. I ran the first third down too short. I was a yard short, caught the ball and we punted, Like did we lose the momentum? I just think we played like shit and we lost. So like that's my point. Like I look at that year and I go, if the momentum was so high, why do we lose the Super Bowl?

01:38:11
Speaker 2: Yeah?

01:38:11
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, fair enough makes you really reevaluate.

01:38:17
Speaker 4: I should have ran deeper. On the first third down of the game. I ran a backside. I was so worried about edging. I had like a back I had like a edge backside dig. I was late in the I was late in the progression. I'll never forget it my rest of my life. That's why I have so many express on martinis. And I gave like a quick little edge, but I probably I got out fast enough that I could have gotten my depth. But they were playing like quarters and the safeties were real tight, and I let them dictate and it was like third and nine. I ran like a seven roll to eight something like that. Caught it got hit short. Nowadays, you probably go for it. We punted and we fell behind by multiple scores, and we just never got going. So you didn't edge it up, and I'm just run a shitty route.

01:39:03
Speaker 2: You didn't edge enough to keep it going enough get so anytime I get close to edging, there's no way I can keep the edge. Same.

01:39:13
Speaker 1: I always lose the edge every time close to the edge.

01:39:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, every single I get to the edge and I just jump off the edge.

01:39:18
Speaker 1: I always say to myself while I'm on the edge, I'm like, do I this is right? Shut down the edge, And it's always like finish.

01:39:23
Speaker 2: Well, now that I know once's speak, Oh, it's already, it's gone.

01:39:28
Speaker 4: Well, now that I know that, once I have the momentum, I don't want to get too far to the edge of momentum because you told me that's cockiness.

01:39:34
Speaker 1: Yep.

01:39:34
Speaker 4: But then I also have to evaluate in real time where my sweet spot of momentum is because it's different for everybody. And then the last piece I've learned today was even though momentum is the number one factor of success, there's no way to hold on to it at any moment. You have to hand it back.

01:39:54
Speaker 2: Well, you got to recalibrate. You can't fucking drink your own kool aid, you know what I mean. You can't think you're already dead, Like there's way to recapture the momentum, which I would ask you when you lost the Falcons in week fifteen, was there a sense in the locker room like, hey, this is once you beat the breaks off the next team you're like, hey, this lost is the best.

01:40:11
Speaker 1: Thing that happened to You can't just suit up on a Sunday.

01:40:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're about to go into playoff mode. We are.

01:40:15
Speaker 4: We remember that where the Carolina is our momentum recheck.

01:40:19
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, if you guys don't lose the Falcons, you're probably bumped out in your first game Divisional, probably out because then you don't have a momentum check. You got to have it, just like the Patriots did.

01:40:29
Speaker 4: We scored thirty in the first half.

01:40:31
Speaker 1: Right, but we already talked about the half wesets momentum.

01:40:34
Speaker 4: So we scored thirty in the first half against Seattle in the division round because three weeks two weeks earlier, we lost in Atlanta exactly.

01:40:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're starting to get it.

01:40:46
Speaker 4: You're starting I'm starting to get it.

01:40:49
Speaker 2: Because you remember you're going to half and you're like, oh, boys, hey remember three weeks ago. You might not say it out loud, but subconsciously in the back of the break, that's where's att And then you thought to yourself, we're gonna beat the Broncos because Peyton Main has got like a broken neck and this it'll be easy.

01:41:00
Speaker 1: He can't to the ball more a fifteen yards, which cocky.

01:41:04
Speaker 4: So yeah, well that's a great point. What I so, what I'm hearing is I need to do a better job connecting two completely irrelevant, separate moments tying them together. How do we tie them together? Momentum?

01:41:17
Speaker 2: Yeah?

01:41:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like the way you said irrelevant because it felt like you were demeaning the conversation.

01:41:22
Speaker 2: You know what he's saying, irrelevant factors that are extreme on both ends.

01:41:27
Speaker 4: I'm saying. He's telling us saying when he was thinking, maybe we're getting to do with each other.

01:41:31
Speaker 2: We're getting over our skis right now, Greg, instead of standing up in the team meeting and be like, hey, don't smell your own ship. Yeah, we could lose this game if we walk in here with this attitude, he chose to stay seated. Yep.

01:41:44
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, yep, yep, just marinating in all his momentum, which only turns into cocky.

01:41:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's like, no, you know what, we thought we were going to beat the ship out of the Broncos. We got humbled.

01:41:56
Speaker 4: This is this is eye opening.

01:41:59
Speaker 1: And before we get you out of here, Greg, give me one New Year's resolution.

01:42:03
Speaker 4: I gotta get back. I'm getting back in shape.

01:42:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, every year we talk about it. Six months, I think six years. I'll every year I'll bust with the boys.

01:42:11
Speaker 4: Let's get jacked, But I'm not gonna get jacked. I'm like, sorry, I'm I'm I hope you guys get jacked. I'd be so proud if you get jacked. Here's how I look at it. I for fourteen years, I busted my ass like, I took my training very seriously what I ate in my training, and I was super diligent and I was never jacked. So I have no like false notions. Now unless I got on like the sauce or something, I.

01:42:39
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, now you can get on steroid.

01:42:40
Speaker 4: Yah, I'm gonna start doing like peptide shit, which I think is like the craze. I gotta like look into it a little bit more.

01:42:45
Speaker 2: Bro.

01:42:47
Speaker 4: So if I do come back jacked, I'm here on the record. If one day you see me and you're like, holy shit, Olsen's yoked. I one hundred percent took some sort of assistant substance peptide. I'm not saying juice, but like, am I micro dosing some peptides and some Maybe I'm not saying I.

01:43:06
Speaker 2: Have you got on testosterone yet?

01:43:08
Speaker 4: No, I'm on. I'm on hot dog beers and espresso martinis.

01:43:11
Speaker 2: Maybe looking at some tea. Not having any more kids?

01:43:14
Speaker 4: Are you?

01:43:14
Speaker 1: That's the next that's the next week's conversation.

01:43:16
Speaker 4: Next week's combo, we'll talk about after the new year what we're doing to get our vibes right. But having said that, like I just want to get back to like middle baseline, forty one year old dad, Like I'm fine taking my shirt off at the pool. No one's gonna be like, wow, that guy's in great shape, and everyone's gonna like, yeah, I can see how he used to play pro ball, Like he's a big guy.

01:43:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you want.

01:43:38
Speaker 4: I'm looking for that I'm not looking to be a hero.

01:43:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the thing you have going for you already exquisite jawline. So in a T shirt, you're already running the game. The goal is not to look like a bodybuilder. The goal is a look in the mirror and not want to throw up and be like, all right, I can understand why she wants to sleep with me, and that's then oh yeah, well you you check this out and be like this camp either reason.

01:44:01
Speaker 4: That it's sure not me.

01:44:03
Speaker 1: Check it's not my body. Maybe it's just my personality.

01:44:05
Speaker 4: Now you know, it's not my humor.

01:44:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not my body.

01:44:09
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm just a shitty dad.

01:44:11
Speaker 2: The goal. The goal is to feel good about having sex with the lights on. Yeah, because I'm at a point where I need to be pitch black. I gotta close the curtains. I'm gonna close everything else.

01:44:20
Speaker 1: Something to be said about the senses. Though you take away a sense, the other one gets stronger.

01:44:24
Speaker 4: Yeah it's nice you can't see ship.

01:44:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, just you're all.

01:44:28
Speaker 4: Over the map.

01:44:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the world where I'm having sex with a T shirt on them.

01:44:31
Speaker 4: Right, great show, great show, great show. In the last four months, this might be my favorite episode we've ever heard.

01:44:45
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by Far, by Far. It's the end of the year. Man, Nothing matters, Nothing.

01:44:49
Speaker 4: Matters till we're getting back in shape. We're not gonna be heroes.

01:44:55
Speaker 2: How good be heroes?

01:44:56
Speaker 4: I think we can do it together. We gotta hold each other accountable.

01:44:59
Speaker 1: Cdibil buddies.

01:45:00
Speaker 4: I'm leaving this call, putting on my hoodie, my sweats, I'm going on the treadmill in Kline walk sauna. That's my afternoon.

01:45:15
Speaker 1: We love it.

01:45:16
Speaker 4: Happy New Years.

01:45:21
Speaker 2: Will set the y I'll set it up.

01:45:23
Speaker 1: Set the group chat, Set the group chat.

01:45:26
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't want to tell my I gotta Loga's name.

01:45:28
Speaker 1: All right? Hey, what an episode? Huh? Mass were still roll? Press some buttons. We're good, all right, Greg, By the way, that was my favorite episode we've ever done with him. Incredible guys. We are gonna go and now shoot our best of episode for Bust with the Boys that comes out tomorrow, which is Tuesday at six am. Please check that out. All the boys will be on. We have a cool little setup in the back. We're not gonna talk about it. You'll be able to see it on YouTube. But once again, you've stayed this long with us. Please subscribe, please comment, We really appreciate you. Incredible year. It's been incredible year. Cannot wait to make twenty twenty six hour bitch and it's all thanks to you guys viewing the show. Big Hugs, Tiny.

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