Ep:132 Dogman Of Lake Conroe

<v Speaker 1>This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt and I am
<v Speaker 1>joined by the host of the Tinfoil Tells podcast, Brandon.
<v Speaker 1>Brandon has been on this show before talking about his
<v Speaker 1>own experience, and he agreed to join me to go
<v Speaker 1>over a person's email that they sent me. This person
<v Speaker 1>did not feel comfortable with coming on the air themselves,
<v Speaker 1>but they were willing to allow me to read their
<v Speaker 1>experience and discuss it here. And I thought, you know,
<v Speaker 1>this guy kind of reminds me of Brandon. Not exactly
<v Speaker 1>the same situation, of course, but there's some similarities that
<v Speaker 1>stuck out to me. So I really wanted to get
<v Speaker 1>your input. So yeah, man, thanks for joining me.
<v Speaker 2>And not a problem. I'm always glad to talk with
<v Speaker 2>you and dive into some weird stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get right into it. This is a pretty
<v Speaker 1>long one.
<v Speaker 2>Hello.
<v Speaker 1>My name is Ryan and I currently live in Huntsville, Texas,
<v Speaker 1>next to the National Forest. My encounter happened in September
<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen, next to Lake Conroe. I'm now forty
<v Speaker 1>five years of age. I had lived at the property
<v Speaker 1>for two years prior to anything happening. Our dog had
<v Speaker 1>puppies and we wouldn't let them out during the day
<v Speaker 1>with the mama dog in a pin. The pen was
<v Speaker 1>farther away from the house and closer to the tree
<v Speaker 1>line of the forest as it was right in our backyard.
<v Speaker 1>I came home from work one day and my wife
<v Speaker 1>said two of the puppies were gone. We figured someone
<v Speaker 1>probably walked up and took them while my wife was
<v Speaker 1>inside or something. Throughout that week, I'm sad to say,
<v Speaker 1>all the puppies ended up coming up missing with no
<v Speaker 1>clue as to what happened to them. I caught a
<v Speaker 1>lot of criticism from others for having them outside, but
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't keep them inside our trailer house all the time.
<v Speaker 1>I had taken notice to Daisy, our dog, acting weird
<v Speaker 1>from time to time. I didn't really think anything of it.
<v Speaker 1>A day or two goes by and I get a
<v Speaker 1>knock at my door and it was a neighbor from
<v Speaker 1>down the street asking if we have seen their dog,
<v Speaker 1>which was missing. At this point I knew something was
<v Speaker 1>going on. I told them about our puppies that went
<v Speaker 1>missing and that we'd keep an eye out for their dog.
<v Speaker 1>Coming home from work the next day, there was a
<v Speaker 1>sign hanging up on the stop sign at the end
<v Speaker 1>of our street about another person's missing dog. We called
<v Speaker 1>the pound, but they were never even an our neighborhood.
<v Speaker 1>Here's where things started to change. The next week, I
<v Speaker 1>got home from work and as I exited my truck,
<v Speaker 1>a lady pulled up and told me she had seen
<v Speaker 1>a wolf in the tree line next to my property.
<v Speaker 1>She said she couldn't see the whole thing as it
<v Speaker 1>was in the bushes and it was really thick, but
<v Speaker 1>she had seen its head and that it was big.
<v Speaker 1>Surely I thought she was mistaken. I researched that area
<v Speaker 1>of the forest for wolves, and they haven't been in
<v Speaker 1>that area in over thirty years. What seemed to set
<v Speaker 1>everything in motion for all of this was my wife
<v Speaker 1>and I went in the woods behind her property just
<v Speaker 1>to have a look back there. Once we got back there,
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred to one hundred and fifty yards from
<v Speaker 1>my house, there were two trees uprooted with two big
<v Speaker 1>holes left in the ground. Weird thing is there was
<v Speaker 1>no visible marks of heavy equipment or tire tracks, nothing
<v Speaker 1>indicating that machine pulled these trees out of the ground.
<v Speaker 1>At that moment, my wife said to me, Babe, look
<v Speaker 1>that looks like a big X. Sure as hell it
<v Speaker 1>was a big X made out of two trees, the
<v Speaker 1>exact two trees from the holes in the ground. At
<v Speaker 1>least that's what we thought, as we didn't see any
<v Speaker 1>other trees in the shape that these were in. I
<v Speaker 1>took pictures of this. At no time was I ever
<v Speaker 1>thinking about cryptids. Wasn't even on my radar. When we
<v Speaker 1>got home. All I did was put a big X
<v Speaker 1>in the woods in search bar of Google, and it
<v Speaker 1>pulled up sasquatch. I had a laugh, but at the
<v Speaker 1>same time, seriously, what would have the strength to put
<v Speaker 1>two grown trees in the position that was in? I
<v Speaker 1>now know that these are said to be markers or
<v Speaker 1>warnings to stay out. Okay, so stopping there for a second,
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts so far about what's.
<v Speaker 2>Going on the mentioning of the wolves. I know people
<v Speaker 2>say their wolves haven't been around certain areas for a
<v Speaker 2>long time, but I don't think animals necessarily have any
<v Speaker 2>sort of boundaries, right, and they typically can wander off.
<v Speaker 2>I know they say they don't have bears here in
<v Speaker 2>my area, but just few years ago one was randomly spotted.
<v Speaker 2>They also said, we don't have mountain lions, but every
<v Speaker 2>once in a while I see people posting up photos
<v Speaker 2>from material cams of a pretty big mountain lion looking cat.
<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't rule out known animals, But when you
<v Speaker 2>got to the point where there's Texas in the tree
<v Speaker 2>roots and everything up, I don't see normal animals doing that.
<v Speaker 2>So for me, that's kind of a weird situation.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this guy, whenever he emailed me, he would
<v Speaker 1>have no way of knowing this. I actually have family
<v Speaker 1>that lives in this exact area, and I also know
<v Speaker 1>quite a few people that live in this exact same area,
<v Speaker 1>and I can say pretty matter of factly that if
<v Speaker 1>there are wolves in that area, it's going to be
<v Speaker 1>a situation where they escaped from captivity. There's absolutely zero
<v Speaker 1>chance of there's being any wild wolves down there. The
<v Speaker 1>closest thing would be a Mexican red wolf, which doesn't
<v Speaker 1>really fit the description at all. They are more akin
<v Speaker 1>to like a coyote and stature and everything, and they
<v Speaker 1>are extremely rare, and I'm not aware of any site.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the general consistence is that they're not even
<v Speaker 1>out there anymore. They're trying to like bring them back.
<v Speaker 1>So a wolf in Texas, let alone this part of
<v Speaker 1>Texas seems highly unlikely. Another thing about this, whenever I
<v Speaker 1>say that I have family that lives in the area,
<v Speaker 1>I mean I have family that lives within thirty minutes
<v Speaker 1>of where this guy is talking about, because he eventually
<v Speaker 1>sent me like the exact locations of his property. And coincidentally,
<v Speaker 1>pets do go missing very often in this area, uh,
<v Speaker 1>the ones left outside. At least a lot of people.
<v Speaker 1>My family in particular, had chickens and pigs and goats
<v Speaker 1>and cats and dogs and everything else on their property,
<v Speaker 1>and pretty much everything except for one large pig, got
<v Speaker 1>taken from the backyard, which was sitting in a forested area. Now,
<v Speaker 1>of course, my you know, bigfoot brain instantly went to
<v Speaker 1>a monster's taking them. They didn't agree with that. And
<v Speaker 1>you know, as you well know, animals do go missing
<v Speaker 1>whenever you leave them outside. There are many culprits out there.
<v Speaker 1>You've dealt with that yourself.
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm, especially raccoons. Yeah, but they're not gonna take
<v Speaker 2>bigger animals. They've taken some chickens and my poor duck
<v Speaker 2>and other things, but they've never took anything big. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like puppies. My thing about it is. I was gonna say,
<v Speaker 2>like I could seem I don't know about a puppy,
<v Speaker 2>but even hawks. We get hawks flying around all the
<v Speaker 2>time out here, and we actually have bald eagles nesting
<v Speaker 2>within a couple of miles from here, and I've seen
<v Speaker 2>them sitting in a tree across the road staring towards
<v Speaker 2>my property. I was like, they're looking for my chickens, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>because why not eat the meal. So there's all sorts
<v Speaker 2>of things that could take puppies or any type of
<v Speaker 2>smaller animal. When you start to get into like the
<v Speaker 2>bigger livestock than like a goat. I have goats. Nothing's
<v Speaker 2>comeing took my goat.
<v Speaker 1>No chewp of cabra.
<v Speaker 2>No, no cheop of cobra, which completely off topic. I
<v Speaker 2>am very disappointed that the chuup of cabra used to
<v Speaker 2>look like an alien with bikes on its back and
<v Speaker 2>a big old snake tongue, and now it's just a hairless,
<v Speaker 2>yeah dog looking thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's completely changed over the years.
<v Speaker 2>I missed the old style chuwp of cabra. That was
<v Speaker 2>my favorite.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the original goat sucker.
<v Speaker 2>Right, I want to live in that early nineties, mid
<v Speaker 2>nineties fantasy of the goat sucker coming around, and I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was just like an alien, a vampire alien.
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, it was a good time
<v Speaker 1>for cryptozoology.
<v Speaker 2>As far as what the story from him, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know what would be taking like larger animals. And like
<v Speaker 2>I said with the X, as soon as I got
<v Speaker 2>brought up, I thought of sasquatch stuff, just because it
<v Speaker 2>seems to be very common. Yeah, but me being kind
<v Speaker 2>of a conspiracy brained person too, if I was stealing
<v Speaker 2>someone's puppies, because that's the other thing around here. People
<v Speaker 2>have been stealing dogs a lot, like right out of
<v Speaker 2>people's backyards, like full grown dogs.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the thing here too.
<v Speaker 2>No one ever knows where they go, like their dog,
<v Speaker 2>They got them on the camera, Like someone comes over,
<v Speaker 2>picks up the dog, takes off with it. Where these
<v Speaker 2>dogs will go, Like what are they doing with them?
<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't say a person wouldn't do it, But
<v Speaker 2>I don't see a person coming out there and putting
<v Speaker 2>them up, rooting some trees and putting the eggs out there.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of streenge.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, let's get back into it. I need
<v Speaker 1>to lay out how our house sat on the road.
<v Speaker 1>We lived down a dirt road, and our house was
<v Speaker 1>on the corner of a lot, and the road curved
<v Speaker 1>and went down alongside the tree line of the forest.
<v Speaker 1>For the week, Daisy, our dog, was going to the
<v Speaker 1>corner out in the road and barking and barking all
<v Speaker 1>the time, sometimes to where I had to go get
<v Speaker 1>her and tell her to come on so she would
<v Speaker 1>shut up. One morning, I would say around five point
<v Speaker 1>thirty to six am, I was outside on my porch.
<v Speaker 1>My wife had left for work already, and I heard
<v Speaker 1>Daisy barking like crazy, like she had done all week.
<v Speaker 1>I slid my sandals on and went out to the
<v Speaker 1>road and saw Daisy kind of acting crazy. I was
<v Speaker 1>calling her, but she wouldn't come, so I started walking
<v Speaker 1>towards her direction. I thought once she seen me coming
<v Speaker 1>towards her, she would stop and come towards me. But
<v Speaker 1>that didn't happen. She shot off like a bullet, running
<v Speaker 1>down the tree line. At that point I knew she
<v Speaker 1>was after something. I ran down the road and as
<v Speaker 1>I rounded the corner, she was about sixty yards from me,
<v Speaker 1>making a bee line for the edge of the trees.
<v Speaker 1>I round in the corner, and just as I did,
<v Speaker 1>to the left of me, something exploded. When I say exploded,
<v Speaker 1>not like a bomb, but something big was running towards
<v Speaker 1>me in the brush. Mind you, it was thick. It
<v Speaker 1>caught my attention right away. I could see the trees
<v Speaker 1>and brush literally parting, as if a big something was
<v Speaker 1>moving through it. I instantly stopped. All this happened quick,
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like ten minutes or more. I immediately
<v Speaker 1>stopped facing that direction, and whatever was there stopped. I
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see anything, but new I knew it was there
<v Speaker 1>right there, like it was waiting for my next move.
<v Speaker 1>I was frozen, stiff, literally frozen. I noticed at this
<v Speaker 1>moment that the entire scene, the entire area, was stone cold, silent,
<v Speaker 1>no noises except my heart beat in my throat. When
<v Speaker 1>I looked up towards Daisy, I saw her lifted from
<v Speaker 1>the ground and literally snatched or yanked into the tree line.
<v Speaker 1>From my viewpoint, I couldn't see her or whatever grabbed her,
<v Speaker 1>and I, ashamed to say, was too scared to move.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I was too scared to move.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I was even scared at all.
<v Speaker 1>It's like all of that emotion was just forced upon me.
<v Speaker 1>I was literally trembling right where I stood. It was
<v Speaker 1>a fear I've never felt and is so hard to
<v Speaker 1>convey to somebody else. I wanted to get to my dog,
<v Speaker 1>but I felt like if I was to make a move,
<v Speaker 1>whatever was to the left of me was going to
<v Speaker 1>get me. That's what I felt like. I snapped out
<v Speaker 1>of it and kind of took a couple steps backwards,
<v Speaker 1>and I immediately ran back to my house. I left
<v Speaker 1>my sandals right there in the middle of the road,
<v Speaker 1>and I jumped on my truck. I hauled as around
<v Speaker 1>the corner of the road, and I drove down to
<v Speaker 1>the point where I saw Daisy yanked into the tree line,
<v Speaker 1>and right as I went to get out of my truck,
<v Speaker 1>the truck died. It had never died before. I opened
<v Speaker 1>my door, and as I went to step out of
<v Speaker 1>the truck once again, I was from and stiff. The
<v Speaker 1>same silence from a few minutes ago was still there
<v Speaker 1>now though I was directly next to the point of
<v Speaker 1>entrance where my dog was snatched into the tree line,
<v Speaker 1>and as I was looking through there, I couldn't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't see her. I couldn't see nothing, but I
<v Speaker 1>had the filling like I was being watched, and I
<v Speaker 1>was afraid to even step around the door of my truck.
<v Speaker 1>I was so scared and upset. I called my wife
<v Speaker 1>at work. She answered the phone. For whatever reason, I
<v Speaker 1>just started crying. I don't even know why I was crying.
<v Speaker 1>I told my wife and got Daisy. It got Daisy.
<v Speaker 1>I was frantic. She knew something was wrong with me.
<v Speaker 1>She was trying to get me to calm down and
<v Speaker 1>explain to her what was going on. And all I
<v Speaker 1>could say was I couldn't save her. I couldn't save her.
<v Speaker 1>Once I got off the phone with her, I mustered
<v Speaker 1>up enough courage to step around the door of my
<v Speaker 1>truck and pop the hood. I messed with the battery
<v Speaker 1>cables and got my truck to start, and I drove home.
<v Speaker 1>My wife got home from work, which was about an
<v Speaker 1>hour more later. We walked down to the area where
<v Speaker 1>all of this took place, from one side of the
<v Speaker 1>road to the other where my dog was taken. There
<v Speaker 1>was a set of tracks in the sand which were
<v Speaker 1>really hard to make out because it was loose sand,
<v Speaker 1>but you could definitely tell the tracks ran across from
<v Speaker 1>one side of the road to the other. The crazy
<v Speaker 1>thing is, though, when we walked back there in the woods,
<v Speaker 1>there was no side of my dog, no blood, no fur, nothing,
<v Speaker 1>almost as if she just vanished. And I never saw
<v Speaker 1>my dog again after that day. So that would be
<v Speaker 1>pretty intense.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>I recently lost our dog of fifteen years, whose name
<v Speaker 1>was Daisy, A very emotional experience to go through. And
<v Speaker 1>this guy is claiming that he just watched his dog
<v Speaker 1>just get snatched up at the tree line and just
<v Speaker 1>vanish into thin air, so to speak.
<v Speaker 2>I let's say, another weird simularity is you had a
<v Speaker 2>dog named Daisy, and the duck that we just had
<v Speaker 2>get killed was named Daisy. Oh, so I guess I'm
<v Speaker 2>never going to name a pet Daisy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Maybe cryptids and monsters and everything else have it
<v Speaker 1>out for animals named Daisy.
<v Speaker 2>When you're read its name, I was like, oh, it's
<v Speaker 2>my duck's name, And then I didn't know you had
<v Speaker 2>a dog named Daisy's very weird. I don't want toss
<v Speaker 2>out that s where that people use over too much,
<v Speaker 2>but synchronicities.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what I find about interesting about this is to me,
<v Speaker 1>he's clearly trying to convey the same emotion that so
<v Speaker 1>many people have a hard time conveying, the amount of
<v Speaker 1>fear that someone fills in some of these situations. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>from an outsider standpoint, your dog taken off on something,
<v Speaker 1>you know, out a tree line in the woods, especially
<v Speaker 1>whenever you already live out in the country. That's not
<v Speaker 1>like an out of the normal thing to happen. The
<v Speaker 1>fact that he was just kind of frozen with fear
<v Speaker 1>and it just had that weird vibe in the air
<v Speaker 1>and everything that really just shook him. You know, obviously
<v Speaker 1>that could play into it psychologically, But then it's the
<v Speaker 1>question of, Okay, are you reacting because of this intense
<v Speaker 1>fear that you're feeling this anxiety, or is this fear
<v Speaker 1>and anxiety being caused by some outside source. And there's
<v Speaker 1>just really no way to tell.
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember where I've seen this. At our visit,
<v Speaker 2>I remember watching a show and I don't it's been
<v Speaker 2>a long time ago, but someone was talking about they
<v Speaker 2>had a dog and something grabbed the dog and picked
<v Speaker 2>it up, and it ripped the dog in hamped right
<v Speaker 2>in front of them. Geez, do you remember have you
<v Speaker 2>ever heard that? Have you ever heard that before. No
<v Speaker 2>I real what the show was. But it was a
<v Speaker 2>little dog. The guy was out walking it, and I
<v Speaker 2>don't remember if it was a sasquatch or what it
<v Speaker 2>was that he was saying. I just remember it was
<v Speaker 2>this big creature and it grabbed a dog, and he
<v Speaker 2>said it grabbed it from its mouth, and it pulled
<v Speaker 2>his mouth apart, and it just ripped it completely in
<v Speaker 2>half from the mouth down.
<v Speaker 1>Sounds horrific.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is what that guy had claiming happened. And
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember where i'd seen that app I physically,
<v Speaker 2>I visibly remember seeing nacs of like a reenactment. It
<v Speaker 2>didn't obviously show the dog being ripped, but the whole
<v Speaker 2>setup of a was like, man, I don't know what
<v Speaker 2>I would do for out, and so I grabbed my
<v Speaker 2>dog and he putely ripped it in half, looking at me.
<v Speaker 1>I did interview a guy from New Jersey, I believe,
<v Speaker 1>who whenever he was a kid. He was at kind
<v Speaker 1>of a day camp and he had an encounter with
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot. Nothing violent, but the bigfoot was holding uh
<v Speaker 1>some sort of fabric that was covered in blood and
<v Speaker 1>half of a large dog that it looked like a
<v Speaker 1>ripped in half, and needless to say, that traumatized him
<v Speaker 1>for life. That's something that would definitely stick with you.
<v Speaker 1>And then I interviewed another guy that was on a
<v Speaker 1>TV show where he had some crazy activity going on
<v Speaker 1>around his parents' property and he had set up security
<v Speaker 1>cameras on the house trying to record some of it,
<v Speaker 1>and he actually got an incident recorded on video where
<v Speaker 1>one of their cats, one of their family pets, had
<v Speaker 1>wandered out via the tree line where he I believe
<v Speaker 1>was baiting the bigfoot that he believed were coming onto
<v Speaker 1>the property. And you see on the video this cat,
<v Speaker 1>something in the tree line grabs it and lifts it
<v Speaker 1>off the ground and pulls it into the shadows of
<v Speaker 1>the tree line. You can't see it anymore, but like
<v Speaker 1>you can see the cat being lifted and pulled like
<v Speaker 1>a good six seven feet off the ground, straight up.
<v Speaker 1>And then a few seconds later, it's like something tosses
<v Speaker 1>the cat back out of the tree lane and it
<v Speaker 1>just walks out, just unscathed. And he actually had the
<v Speaker 1>theory that these were Bigfoot and that they had a
<v Speaker 1>relationship with the cats, that the cats were like their pets.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, so it's really you know, you hear
<v Speaker 1>different stories of them being kind and gentle, and then
<v Speaker 1>you hear stories of them ripping the animals in half
<v Speaker 1>in front of their owners.
<v Speaker 2>People are different, I would assume sasquatch if they're somehow
<v Speaker 2>human like, but also have different personalities. Some people don't
<v Speaker 2>eat meat. Some people don't do this, Maybe they don't.
<v Speaker 2>Not all of them are going to be the same.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe some of them are more prone to kill animals,
<v Speaker 2>maybe some other ones aren't.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it might depend on the animal, how the animal
<v Speaker 1>acts towards them, right, all right, so we continue. I
<v Speaker 1>never did get a visual of what took my dog
<v Speaker 1>or what was on the left of me. Looking back
<v Speaker 1>now after I've had years to think about it, I
<v Speaker 1>really feel like whatever took my dog might have been
<v Speaker 1>a juvenile something, and whatever was to the left of
<v Speaker 1>me was most likely the parent, and it was in
<v Speaker 1>protection mode, as if I took another step, it was
<v Speaker 1>going to stop me from going after it's young. I
<v Speaker 1>feel like it was teaching the young one to hunt, maybe,
<v Speaker 1>and that's why all these dogs ended up going missing
<v Speaker 1>from the neighborhood. I can't give you a definitive answer
<v Speaker 1>as to what was in the woods that morning. I
<v Speaker 1>would like to say sasquatch or Bigfoot, except what happened
<v Speaker 1>the next morning kind of stumps my thoughts on that.
<v Speaker 1>Even writing this brings me back to that morning, and
<v Speaker 1>I get restless and my heart starts pounding, even after
<v Speaker 1>all this time that's past. That night, my family and
<v Speaker 1>I were in the living room watching TV when we
<v Speaker 1>all heard some one step on to the front porch
<v Speaker 1>and turn the door knob on the front door. Every
<v Speaker 1>One turned a look, and I instantly jumped up in
<v Speaker 1>a defensive manner. The door was locked, thankfully, but when
<v Speaker 1>I got there to open it, I could hear whatever
<v Speaker 1>it was run off the porch, and when I opened it,
<v Speaker 1>it was gone. Every One was left a little scared.
<v Speaker 1>I have two daughters and my son. They were fourteen, twelve,
<v Speaker 1>and ten. I asked all the kids to not be
<v Speaker 1>outside unless I was out there with them. That night,
<v Speaker 1>when we were all laying down for bed, my oldest
<v Speaker 1>daughter came into my room visibly shaken, saying she was
<v Speaker 1>hearing something growl outside her window. I went in there
<v Speaker 1>very quietly and sat on her bed. She was right,
<v Speaker 1>I could hear something growling outside her window. I was
<v Speaker 1>panic stricken. Her window was the one that faces the
<v Speaker 1>tree line of the forest she slept with us that night.
<v Speaker 1>As a father and husband and man of the house,
<v Speaker 1>I knew I had to do something. I at least
<v Speaker 1>had to go outside and look. But to be honest,
<v Speaker 1>I was scared. I grabbed a spotlight that I had,
<v Speaker 1>and now I very cautiously went outside the front door
<v Speaker 1>and made my way around the end of the trailer house.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to lie. I was shaking the entire time.
<v Speaker 1>My legs were weak. And as I rounded the corner
<v Speaker 1>of the house and shining the spotlight down there, there
<v Speaker 1>was nothing there. I could see, however, at the bottom
<v Speaker 1>of a window where the ground had been torn up,
<v Speaker 1>or you could tell that something had been standing there
<v Speaker 1>or moving around there. I went back inside and locked
<v Speaker 1>the door, and we went to bed. The next morning
<v Speaker 1>changed my entire viewpoint on the world. It actually changed
<v Speaker 1>who I was, changed everything about me, for better or worse.
<v Speaker 1>It definitely took a toll on me. I'm going to
<v Speaker 1>stop there again, because as a parent, keeping your kids
<v Speaker 1>safe is everything.
<v Speaker 2>Man.
<v Speaker 1>Now you've got something trying the doorknob, something standing outside
<v Speaker 1>the window, of your daughter's room, growling, scaring her. You're scared.
<v Speaker 1>You've a face this event with the dog that left
<v Speaker 1>you scared. Man, that would be a tough one to
<v Speaker 1>go through. I mean, you're fighting with your own emotions
<v Speaker 1>at that point.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how i'd react if something were
<v Speaker 2>is like, if I heard something outside my child's window,
<v Speaker 2>I would have ran out there. But I'm also an idiot, right,
<v Speaker 2>That's just my mentality because I go into overprotective dad mood,
<v Speaker 2>Like we don't even really have. I live in a
<v Speaker 2>state where guns are always a big thing. I only
<v Speaker 2>have like a handgun, and I borrowed a rifle, so
<v Speaker 2>I have that. But like what I have is not
<v Speaker 2>going to stop anything. If it's really a big photo
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, it's not going to stop it. It's just
<v Speaker 2>going to make it very angry. Yeah, So I don't
<v Speaker 2>know if i'd even run out with a gun. I
<v Speaker 2>would definitely go out and try and see what it is.
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I've always wondered this. You
<v Speaker 2>hear about these things looking through windows, and I feel
<v Speaker 2>like with it's strange that if something was right outside
<v Speaker 2>your window, it could easily just come through the window
<v Speaker 2>and get you, Like, why do they not you know
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, Yeah, when I hear stuff like this,
<v Speaker 2>that's the first thing I've always thought of, was, like,
<v Speaker 2>is there like unwritten rules for them that they just
<v Speaker 2>can't come on in? Like they try the door handle
<v Speaker 2>if it's so big, Well I couldn't break the door down.
<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure could, for sure could.
<v Speaker 2>That's just how my mind goes into things like this,
<v Speaker 2>Like I always think of the worst part of it,
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, it's this thing wanted to get me.
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to get my kids. It would just burst
<v Speaker 2>through the wall, through the window, snatch them up and
<v Speaker 2>then take off right. And what are you going to
<v Speaker 2>do about it? Who's gonna know? Like, no one's gonna
<v Speaker 2>believe you that a bigfoot come and took your kid. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, something that you and I have certainly discussed
<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis is obviously you've got people that
<v Speaker 1>come on podcasts and tell horror stories, which are exciting
<v Speaker 1>and fun to listen to. But I mean the fact
<v Speaker 1>of the matter is if you just take Bigfoot, for instance,
<v Speaker 1>and you look at the number of bigfoot researchers that
<v Speaker 1>have existed in history, not just currently, but in all time,
<v Speaker 1>going out on these expeditions, doing wood knocks, doing calls, baiting,
<v Speaker 1>doing things to elicit and encounter, some of which have
<v Speaker 1>been successful, some not, some believe they were successful. But
<v Speaker 1>in all these instances, nobody's ever disappeared, Everyone's always came home.
<v Speaker 1>Nothing's bad has ever happened. There's never been in my
<v Speaker 1>twenty plus years involved in this. I've heard of one
<v Speaker 1>instance where someone claimed to have actually been assaulted by
<v Speaker 1>a bigfoot while doing research, and that story cannot be confirmed, validated, proven,
<v Speaker 1>or anything else, so you have to question it. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>you have to be skeptical about these things. But obviously,
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about something that can rip up full
<v Speaker 1>grown trees and place them in an ex formation, they
<v Speaker 1>would have the ability to, like you said, pull a
<v Speaker 1>door off the hinges, to rip open a tent, do
<v Speaker 1>whatever they wanted. So we have, you know, these stories,
<v Speaker 1>the violent situations that have no way to confirm them,
<v Speaker 1>and they are just stories. But whenever we look at
<v Speaker 1>the actual evidence, you don't really have anything. You have
<v Speaker 1>situations where at the most something's thrown or a block
<v Speaker 1>off charge in things of that nature. I think if
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to get you. They could get you, so
<v Speaker 1>there must be something keeping them from just doing that
<v Speaker 1>on a whim.
<v Speaker 2>There is always the or I say, opportunity, but there
<v Speaker 2>is always the opportunity for them to take people when
<v Speaker 2>they're out and about in the woods. And I guess
<v Speaker 2>that could be part of some of the missing people
<v Speaker 2>say they get lost in the woods, they never find
<v Speaker 2>them again. I don't want to correlate that, so that's
<v Speaker 2>what is happening, right, but I mean it could be
<v Speaker 2>or it could be a random person lost and never
<v Speaker 2>found again. Or there's I guess if someone wanted to
<v Speaker 2>be a serial killer, they could just hide out in
<v Speaker 2>the woods and get away with it. Because yeah, not
<v Speaker 2>to give it, not trying to give any one ideas out.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, calm down, folks, all right, Moving on. I was
<v Speaker 1>on my porch around four am, sitting out there smoking
<v Speaker 1>a cigarette. I had my spotlight with because at this
<v Speaker 1>point I wouldn't go outside at night without it. I
<v Speaker 1>was hearing something walk the edge of the tree line
<v Speaker 1>along the backside of the side of my house, but
<v Speaker 1>when I shined my light over there, I could vaguely
<v Speaker 1>see a figure on all fours walking behind the brush
<v Speaker 1>across from my property, there was a light on a
<v Speaker 1>pole from a neighboring property. Directly in front of the
<v Speaker 1>pole was two big trees. This figure walked up to
<v Speaker 1>these trees as I followed with my light. It then
<v Speaker 1>stuck its head around the tree, not yet revealing its
<v Speaker 1>whole body. It was a huge gray wolf head, the
<v Speaker 1>biggest head I have ever seen. This has to be
<v Speaker 1>what the woman who's seen the wolf was talking about.
<v Speaker 1>At this moment, it seemed like I was in a vacuum.
<v Speaker 1>The silence was so profound, like what was happening was
<v Speaker 1>inside a bubble, like time was standing still. The eyes
<v Speaker 1>I will never forget and I can still see them
<v Speaker 1>to this day. It had huge, bright green eyes. I
<v Speaker 1>know it sounds redundant, but it did feel like it
<v Speaker 1>was staring in a hole right through me, looking at
<v Speaker 1>my soul. It then, with one hand, grabbed the tree
<v Speaker 1>and stood up, and he specifically says hand. It stood
<v Speaker 1>on both hind legs. This was around thirty five to
<v Speaker 1>forty yards from me. This creature was big, not body
<v Speaker 1>builder big, but a big basketball player size profile, gray
<v Speaker 1>with black highlights. I was frozen and I couldn't move.
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember breathing at that moment. My light
<v Speaker 1>was on it the entire time. I was so scared
<v Speaker 1>and shaking, I couldn't take my eyes off of it.
<v Speaker 1>At this point, I was reaching for my door handle,
<v Speaker 1>trying to find it so I could go inside. We
<v Speaker 1>were locked eye to eye, looking at each other. I
<v Speaker 1>am six three in my porches two and a half
<v Speaker 1>feet tall off the ground, if that tells you how
<v Speaker 1>tall this thing was. It took two steps towards me,
<v Speaker 1>and at that moment I opened the door and I
<v Speaker 1>ran inside. I immediately went and woke up my wife.
<v Speaker 1>I knew she was going to be mad because I
<v Speaker 1>woke her up at the time that I woke her up,
<v Speaker 1>But when I turned the bedroom light on, she said
<v Speaker 1>she could instantly tell something was wrong with me because
<v Speaker 1>I was sweating and I was white as a ghost.
<v Speaker 1>I asked her and begged her to please come outside
<v Speaker 1>and look at this, which now I'm so glad that
<v Speaker 1>she did, because I do not want to seem crazy
<v Speaker 1>to myself and let alone trying to tell her or
<v Speaker 1>anybody else. At least I have her to acknowledge why
<v Speaker 1>I did see. I just knew that when we got
<v Speaker 1>back to the front door, this thing was going to
<v Speaker 1>be gone. To my surprise, when I opened the door
<v Speaker 1>and I shined the light right where it was standing,
<v Speaker 1>there it stood, and my wife screamed. We both stood
<v Speaker 1>there in shock as it dropped back down on all
<v Speaker 1>fours and took off into the tree line and disappeared.
<v Speaker 1>I know how crazy this sounds, and I know how
<v Speaker 1>taboo and how believing that a dog man can exist
<v Speaker 1>is just crazy. I know how much speculation there is,
<v Speaker 1>especially now that I've had all this time to look
<v Speaker 1>into the subject in the community, and just how toxic
<v Speaker 1>all of it is. I sent you my story not
<v Speaker 1>to get you to believe me or anything like that.
<v Speaker 1>It really just does help me and other people who
<v Speaker 1>had encounters. Each time we share the story, it just
<v Speaker 1>makes it easier for us to handle. For two weeks
<v Speaker 1>after that encounter, I had terrible nightmares. Even to this
<v Speaker 1>day now I'll still have the same nightmare from time
<v Speaker 1>to time of seeing that dog man. I can send
<v Speaker 1>you the picture of the big X we found in
<v Speaker 1>the woods. Also, I have a picture of what I
<v Speaker 1>believe to be a papprint on the window of my truck.
<v Speaker 1>I've already been through all the ridicule and judgment trying
<v Speaker 1>to talk to people about my story, with very few
<v Speaker 1>people believing what I say. I've even shared this with
<v Speaker 1>my brother, and while I would expect my brother to
<v Speaker 1>believe me, I get why he doesn't believe me. I'm
<v Speaker 1>not a research or anything like that. I'm just a
<v Speaker 1>normal guy that happened to have an extraordinary encounter. If
<v Speaker 1>you take anything away from this story, I would want
<v Speaker 1>you to know these things are out there. Ever since,
<v Speaker 1>my encounter has left me jumpy, sometimes scared to go
<v Speaker 1>outside at night, and very open mind into other things existing,
<v Speaker 1>that these things can exist. This encounter really took over
<v Speaker 1>my life for about a year and a half. After
<v Speaker 1>I wanted answers, you know, I wanted to know why me,
<v Speaker 1>What were these things? How long have they been here?
<v Speaker 1>Of course I haven't gotten any answers, but I had
<v Speaker 1>to back off. It was all I would think about
<v Speaker 1>talk about, and even my own family got tired of
<v Speaker 1>hearing me talk about it. Not a day goes by
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think about it, not a day. So
<v Speaker 1>not a bigfoot, not know why you wanted to talk
<v Speaker 1>to me? He sent me pictures of his property location
<v Speaker 1>that he used to live. He no longer lives there.
<v Speaker 1>He sent me pictures of what he believes to be
<v Speaker 1>a pawprint on his truck. I believe it was. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>there's something there. You know. I didn't study it firsthand
<v Speaker 1>or anything, so I didn't lift the print or anything
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's just a photo. He sent me pictures
<v Speaker 1>of the ex formation. It definitely looks like an exformation,
<v Speaker 1>just like he's describing, two large trees pulled up out
<v Speaker 1>of the ground and laid across one another standing up right.
<v Speaker 1>He also sent me a picture of you know, the
<v Speaker 1>typical shadow in the tree line. Might be something, might not.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, man, this guy, I don't know if it's
<v Speaker 1>because I do have family in the area and I
<v Speaker 1>know people down there, and like everything he was saying,
<v Speaker 1>like is correct about the location and everything, and his
<v Speaker 1>willingness to send me pictures of the location and how
<v Speaker 1>it's not necessarily some fantastic story, right, but it's more
<v Speaker 1>in line of, you know, a typical how an encounter
<v Speaker 1>actually goes. But yeah, I really wanted to share this story,
<v Speaker 1>and I really wanted to discuss it because I believe
<v Speaker 1>this guy just gonna go out there and say it.
<v Speaker 1>I believe this guy. If he's lying, he's got me.
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think now that we've reached the conclusion.
<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect it to be that. Like a lot
<v Speaker 2>of it was very sasquatchy, if that's a word squatchy.
<v Speaker 2>But I can completely relate to this just because no
<v Speaker 2>one is going to believe it. I've dealt with it.
<v Speaker 2>I don't even believe my own cell have today. That's
<v Speaker 2>strange to me that this thing showed itself and then
<v Speaker 2>just it stayed there. That is the part that actually
<v Speaker 2>kind of stands out to me the most of the
<v Speaker 2>fact that when he went and got his wife, it
<v Speaker 2>was still there. Yeah, do you have validation now? Like,
<v Speaker 2>regardless of whoever else is out there doesn't believe you,
<v Speaker 2>at least one other person was able to verify it.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's all you need, just because you're never going
<v Speaker 2>to convince the world things like this exist for some reason.
<v Speaker 2>It's just not It's not going to be an acceptable thing.
<v Speaker 2>There's going to be a few people that might believe you,
<v Speaker 2>But at the end of the day, the average person,
<v Speaker 2>I guess person's crazy because that's how for programmed to
<v Speaker 2>be I guess I don't know. It's just for so long,
<v Speaker 2>even with my own stuff, I've tried to rationalize it
<v Speaker 2>and explain it away because none of it makes sense biologically.
<v Speaker 2>How do you explain enough? Right, walking canine, you can
<v Speaker 2>see dogs hopping around. My dog steps on like its
<v Speaker 2>back legs to jump up on me. It's not natural looking.
<v Speaker 2>They can't just walk around. And when they do, the
<v Speaker 2>ones that are training, like circus dogs or whatever, they
<v Speaker 2>look goofy. They don't look like they should be doing that.
<v Speaker 2>But these things apparently can do it and it looks normal. Well.
<v Speaker 1>I also think it's interesting. You know, he specifically said hands.
<v Speaker 1>You know, dogs don't have hands, right, the typical dog
<v Speaker 1>men lore of the hands that are always described as
<v Speaker 1>raccoon Like, yeah, I'm not a biologist, but are raccoons
<v Speaker 1>somehow offshoots of canines in one form or another, like
<v Speaker 1>or they I think they were still a rodent family.
<v Speaker 1>I think they're their own thing. Actually, I think they
<v Speaker 1>have their own little subset.
<v Speaker 2>Raccoons for me, are unique just because they're very intelligent.
<v Speaker 2>They have the little hands, they're able to stand on
<v Speaker 2>their back legs. Maybe a dog men really aren't dog.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're giant raccoon people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just look like dogs or lemurs or baboons
<v Speaker 1>or I I know, people get mad whenever you take
<v Speaker 1>get into the realm of primate, right, But that's something
<v Speaker 1>that I have often wondered. Maybe we're not looking at
<v Speaker 1>a canine. Maybe we're just looking at something that looks
<v Speaker 1>like a canine.
<v Speaker 2>I've had people talk about the possibility of kangaroos, which
<v Speaker 2>to me, I think anyone would know what a kangaroo
<v Speaker 2>looks like. It's not a lotot like a dog. But
<v Speaker 2>people throw that out there as the possibility that they
<v Speaker 2>see wild kangaroos, and that's why you're not expecting to
<v Speaker 2>see it. Yeah, the kangaroo's legs are a little different too,
<v Speaker 2>so I don't really buy into the whole kangaroo thing
<v Speaker 2>getting back down on four legs and running off. That
<v Speaker 2>is very It's strange, and to me everyone relates us
<v Speaker 2>back to like four wolf type stuff. I don't necessarily
<v Speaker 2>believe in where wolves to the extent of people changing
<v Speaker 2>into a wolf like that aspect to the lore doesn't
<v Speaker 2>necessarily make sense to me, right, I guess it doesn't
<v Speaker 2>have to make sense, but I don't see that happening.
<v Speaker 2>But there's been so many depictions of these type of
<v Speaker 2>creatures for how many years now, Like even the stories
<v Speaker 2>from hundreds of years ago, Why were they saying like
<v Speaker 2>they had to have been influenced by something? Right?
<v Speaker 1>To me, it makes more sense for people to see
<v Speaker 1>a wolf like creature that had the ability to grasp
<v Speaker 1>with its hands and standing on two legs to see
<v Speaker 1>that and be like, oh, that has to be part man.
<v Speaker 1>That has to be something that a man transforming into
<v Speaker 1>a wolf. So I could see where the werewolf floor
<v Speaker 1>would be derived from sightings of these things.
<v Speaker 2>I just don't know how to relate it to physically possible.
<v Speaker 2>That's why I always come back to, and I always
<v Speaker 2>struggle with is for me, I can see wolves like
<v Speaker 2>the aspect of wolves, it's just when they the hands
<v Speaker 2>and the standing up part, it just biologically doesn't make
<v Speaker 2>any sort of sense. So I don't know. And then
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole lot of different aspects to them depending
<v Speaker 2>on the versions of the stories you hear from people, too,
<v Speaker 2>so it almost has that weird. A lot of people
<v Speaker 2>don't even believe they're actually physical things. They're spiritual type things, right,
<v Speaker 2>I do have a question, and if he ends up listening,
<v Speaker 2>maybe right back to you. This area, is there any
<v Speaker 2>sort of like Native American area or like cemeteries or
<v Speaker 2>something within close proximity, because for some reason everyone keeps
<v Speaker 2>throwing this out lately that they've been looking into dog
<v Speaker 2>Man for some reason, there's always a cemetery or something
<v Speaker 2>within a few miles from where these incidents happen.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know about this specific location, but yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely it's definitely old land. As a matter of fact,
<v Speaker 1>my family that goes down there, their property is in
<v Speaker 1>a very similar area as this guy's property, like neighboring
<v Speaker 1>the National Forest. It's all wooded, you know, it's extremely
<v Speaker 1>rugged and rural. And at the end of their road
<v Speaker 1>is this old abandoned church, just a single room church
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, probably a couple hundred years with a
<v Speaker 1>small cemetery next to it, and it's been empty as
<v Speaker 1>long as anybody can remember. And there's things like that
<v Speaker 1>all around this area. So a Native American cemetery or
<v Speaker 1>burial site wouldn't surprise me in the least. And this
<v Speaker 1>area also has a history of Bigfoot sightings in bigfoot
<v Speaker 1>activity it's not just dogmen. This is the first time
<v Speaker 1>I've heard a dog man story from this area. I'm
<v Speaker 1>sure people involved in the dog man world have probably
<v Speaker 1>heard more besides this, but for me personally, this was
<v Speaker 1>the first the x formations, you know, like the guy said,
<v Speaker 1>he looked up ex formations on the internet and the
<v Speaker 1>first thing that popped up with sasquatch, and so that's
<v Speaker 1>kind of where his head went. That makes sense. Otherwise,
<v Speaker 1>there's a few similarities behavior wise, you know, something coming
<v Speaker 1>up to the window, things like that. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if he was dealing with one thing, or if there
<v Speaker 1>might be multiple things in the area, or if some
<v Speaker 1>things that were taking place were just being attributed to
<v Speaker 1>this thing because of the crazy experiences he had. But
<v Speaker 1>it is really surprising, the part, you know, where he
<v Speaker 1>spots this thing and hits it with a light and
<v Speaker 1>then goes inside and gets his wife and brings her
<v Speaker 1>out there and it's still there. The fact that pets
<v Speaker 1>were going missing, animals were going missing out of yards,
<v Speaker 1>that he heard the growling outside the window. If we
<v Speaker 1>go down the speculation road and say that all of
<v Speaker 1>these were attributed to that specific creature, whatever it was,
<v Speaker 1>its behavior, says, it's getting braver, it's not afraid of people,
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't really care if it gets seen.
<v Speaker 2>How many years ago was this?
<v Speaker 1>This happened in twenty nineteen.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so not that long ago. Not that long ago.
<v Speaker 2>Here's what I've noticed when it comes to dog Man's stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And I'm no expert. I don't really think anyone is.
<v Speaker 2>But you have people that say they see these things
<v Speaker 2>eating roadkill.
<v Speaker 1>M h.
<v Speaker 2>If it's a spiritual type elemental creature, why would it
<v Speaker 2>be eating something. And then you have other people to
<v Speaker 2>say these things just almost like with Big said, they
<v Speaker 2>appear and they just disappeared, because he even said he
<v Speaker 2>didn't like the dog just completely vanished. Yeah, but did
<v Speaker 2>he did he see anything? Like? He didn't. He didn't
<v Speaker 2>see what grabbed a dog. So I was like, if
<v Speaker 2>you're able to see it and stuff they're showing itself
<v Speaker 2>to you, I feel like you'd somehow been able to
<v Speaker 2>see something grabbing the dog too. He didn't say what
<v Speaker 2>type of dog it was. Did he like how big
<v Speaker 2>it was?
<v Speaker 1>No, he didn't, because.
<v Speaker 2>This was like a full grown like a lab. That's
<v Speaker 2>even more impressive than something just picked up and snatched
<v Speaker 2>it because that would have to be with's a lab
<v Speaker 2>about seventy pounds. Yeah, so, but if it's a smaller dog,
<v Speaker 2>then I could see something grabbing it too. But like still,
<v Speaker 2>even a full grown dog is I don't know, like
<v Speaker 2>a twenty pound dog that's a little Yorky dog than it.
<v Speaker 2>Guess wouldn't take much to pick that up. But when
<v Speaker 2>I think of dogs, I usally don't think of like
<v Speaker 2>smaller small dogs. It's usually someone's twenty to thirty pound dog. Right,
<v Speaker 2>So again, something picking up a full grown dog and
<v Speaker 2>snatching off, but it has to be strong enough to
<v Speaker 2>lift that, even just a normal wolf.
<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I try to take into consideration is
<v Speaker 1>whatever snatched up his dog in front of him did
<v Speaker 1>so without the dog yelping or barking or biting or anything. Right,
<v Speaker 1>it dispatched of the dog relatively quickly. He didn't see
<v Speaker 1>any signs of blood. I didn't mention anything about any
<v Speaker 1>horrific noises or anything. The dog was just gone. And
<v Speaker 1>he specifically says he saw it getting yanked into the
<v Speaker 1>tree line. Right, it wasn't just like the dog just
<v Speaker 1>like wandered off into the woods, barking or whatever, and
<v Speaker 1>then stopped. So I don't know, man, I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>But like I said, I just believe this guy and
<v Speaker 1>like he's you know, corresponded with me since then, and
<v Speaker 1>like I said, he just he didn't feel comfortable coming
<v Speaker 1>on air and telling his story. And you know, from
<v Speaker 1>the original email, it sounds like it's, you know, how
<v Speaker 1>to traumatizing effect on him and it still bothers him.
<v Speaker 1>So like, I have no issue with that. People don't
<v Speaker 1>have to come on and share their story. I'm fine
<v Speaker 1>with that, right.
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes just even writing it out and talking to someone
<v Speaker 2>about it is helpful because I can relate to things
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that I never talked about whatever happened
<v Speaker 2>with me really because no one's gonna believe it anyways,
<v Speaker 2>and then they're just going to think you're crazy. So how
<v Speaker 2>do you deal with it? Yeah, my apparent way of
<v Speaker 2>dealing with it was I ended up starting to show. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>the cope was not being able to talk about it.
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk to other people because I felt
<v Speaker 2>like that was my only way of not feeling crazy.
<v Speaker 2>We all deal with things in our own manner.
<v Speaker 1>I tell people that all the time, you know this
<v Speaker 1>doing this show and talking to witnesses about their experiences
<v Speaker 1>is as much for me as it is for them. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it helps me deal with my own stuff as well.
<v Speaker 1>M It's been a tremendous tool in helping me try
<v Speaker 1>to rationalize my own experiences, if that's the right way
<v Speaker 1>to phrase it. Yeah, before we get off here, you're
<v Speaker 1>going to have a busy weekend.
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Yeah. I have the first Annual Indiana Bigfoot Conference
<v Speaker 2>in Nashville, Indiana, tomorrow and Saturday. So this drops on Friday.
<v Speaker 2>It'll be today and tomorrow. So for anyone that happens
<v Speaker 2>to listen to this and you want to come to
<v Speaker 2>Nationale Indiana, come out and talk to me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It is free to the public if they have speaking guests.
<v Speaker 2>But that area is completely sold out. It's sold out
<v Speaker 2>in a matter of a couple of weeks, which is surprising.
<v Speaker 1>For a first annual.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know what the seating capacity was. I
<v Speaker 2>thought it was a couple hundred, but they managed to
<v Speaker 2>sell on the tickets for I don't on the price
<v Speaker 2>of your side, I thought, But that's sold out. But
<v Speaker 2>like where the vendors are and the other stuff that's
<v Speaker 2>open to the public, that's from four to eight on
<v Speaker 2>Friday and eight to eight Saturday, so they encourage everyone
<v Speaker 2>to come out, as with the Four Seasons Lodge in Nashville, Indiana.
<v Speaker 1>And you have a booth, what's going on at your booth?
<v Speaker 2>I will have my recording rig set up and I'll
<v Speaker 2>be able to talk with people if they want to
<v Speaker 2>talk with me for a quick little interview. I also
<v Speaker 2>have my shirts there as stickers. There's kind of meet
<v Speaker 2>and greet with people, so anyone wants to come up
<v Speaker 2>talk to me. I know there's a few people that
<v Speaker 2>listen to my show that's supposed to come nuns. They
<v Speaker 2>want to talk to me, so it'll be kind of cool.
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully no one is angered by me and wants to
<v Speaker 2>talk to me and yell at me, but I guess
<v Speaker 2>if they want you, that's fine too. I tend to
<v Speaker 2>say things that might make people angry, but that's just
<v Speaker 2>kind of how I am and I are to sugarcoat
<v Speaker 2>things sometimes. But yeah, that's that's that's the weekend, and
<v Speaker 2>then I guess I have a couple other ones coming
<v Speaker 2>up here in October two. They're not Bigfoot related, but
<v Speaker 2>they're more paranormal. I'm actually speaking of those. The one
<v Speaker 2>just so happened to be on the same road where
<v Speaker 2>I had my encounter back in two thousand and seven.
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, it's literally like a mile and a half
<v Speaker 2>down the road from where it happened. So I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>be up there talking about it, and I'm sure the
<v Speaker 2>whole community here will think I'm a whack job afterwards,
<v Speaker 2>like this guy's crazy, But it is what it is.
<v Speaker 1>You should offer to take people to the location.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell them exactly where it's at. You get
<v Speaker 2>out here on the main strip roads right out in
<v Speaker 2>the front, and you take a left head towards the
<v Speaker 2>highway and go about a mile, and once it gets
<v Speaker 2>to the kind of wooded you'll know exactly where it's at.
<v Speaker 2>They just build a brand new house right there, like
<v Speaker 2>two years ago when we happen to drive by through there.
<v Speaker 2>My kid makes a joke every now and then when
<v Speaker 2>we go down the road if we're gonna see dog Man,
<v Speaker 2>and I always say, if we do, I'm running him over.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It creeped me out one night after we were coming
<v Speaker 2>down the road and they'd put lights out, So I
<v Speaker 2>saw the lights and they're up a little bit, and
<v Speaker 2>we thought they're eyeballs, and I got excited for a second.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, come on, and we got there, and
<v Speaker 2>I was disappointed to find out that it's not what
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping it was, because that is my mentality
<v Speaker 2>and I've already told everyone in my family. I was like,
<v Speaker 2>if something ever runs out, I am not slamming on
<v Speaker 2>the brakes, I'm slaming on the gas pedal. Yeah. Oh,
<v Speaker 2>fair warning for anyone out investigating. Don't dress up with
<v Speaker 2>a warwol because you might get ran over.
<v Speaker 1>There was a guy that was hoaxing bigfoot stuff along
<v Speaker 1>a road and actually got hit by a car and killed. Like,
<v Speaker 1>it's a for real thing that can happen. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>gonna make a joke about it. I guess laughing is enough,
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, don't dress in it. Don't try to be funny.
<v Speaker 1>Just don't do it.
<v Speaker 2>For anyone out there that thinks they're amusing people by
<v Speaker 2>trying to hoax things by dressing in costumes and running
<v Speaker 2>out there and trying to secure traffic, just know they
<v Speaker 2>might swerve and hit you. You might cause an accident,
<v Speaker 2>or they might get out of the vehicle and shoot
<v Speaker 2>you because they think that what they've been looking for
<v Speaker 2>for the last fifteen years. Just be aware.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you see a vehicle with a tenfoiltail sticker
<v Speaker 1>on it, stay in the brush.
<v Speaker 2>Right, don't come out because I'm getting proof one way
<v Speaker 2>or another.
<v Speaker 1>Well, man, where can people find you? What's going on
<v Speaker 1>with the podcast all that good stuff.
<v Speaker 2>And his way to find me is pretty much wherever
<v Speaker 2>you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads you should be able to
<v Speaker 2>find ten foil Tells. Just make sure it is the
<v Speaker 2>actual my tinfoil teals, not the Australian tenfoil Tells. Right.
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, that is still that's still a thing
<v Speaker 2>that people I've gotten message recently like I thought you're
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you were Australian. I was like, I'm not.
<v Speaker 2>If you have to hear an Australian person speaking, that's
<v Speaker 2>not me.
<v Speaker 1>You do have a pretty thick Australian accent, to be honest.
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's some people that's been on my show that
<v Speaker 2>don't even believe Australia exists. So there's that. So I
<v Speaker 2>have an Australian accent. I'm just I'm an actor. But
<v Speaker 2>now as far as the show goes, there's a just
<v Speaker 2>booked out quite a bit for interviews and just dropping
<v Speaker 2>two episodes a week Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I started
<v Speaker 2>throwing a throwback Thursday on a Sundays, so it's second
<v Speaker 2>look Sundays. Find an old episode, and I end up
<v Speaker 2>hating them because I sound so weird and awkward because
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't used talking to people. I'm very much an
<v Speaker 2>introvert and very antisocial, So this was weird for me
<v Speaker 2>for the first six months because it wasn't anything that
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do. I wanted, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 2>Like it was just straat. I wasn't used to talking
<v Speaker 2>to people, especially about weird stuff. But now it's not
<v Speaker 2>that big of a deal. I'm just kind of used
<v Speaker 2>to it at this point, like, well, I'm one hundred
<v Speaker 2>and fifty episodes in on those and I will be
<v Speaker 2>used to it.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a pretty good combination, though, somebody that
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to talk to people about stuff and people
<v Speaker 1>that don't want to talk to people about the stuff
<v Speaker 1>they've experienced, all right, getting together and talking about it
<v Speaker 1>makes sense.
<v Speaker 2>It is an awkward situation for everyone involved, but it
<v Speaker 2>ends up coming out and seems to do well for
<v Speaker 2>what it does. I guess. I don't know. I know
<v Speaker 2>the last time we'd spoke, you'd actually mentioned it the
<v Speaker 2>podcast or whatever. I did apparently win two awards. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>so that was kind of cool.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you going to have those awards on display?
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not going to be that guy. I could
<v Speaker 2>completely be that guy, but for the most part, I
<v Speaker 2>try and stay humble.
<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for coming on here man, sitting in with
<v Speaker 1>me and discussing this encounter. It's quite a doozy in
<v Speaker 1>my books. But yeah, I've enjoyed it, man. And if
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be in Nashville, Indiana this weekend, stop
<v Speaker 1>by and see Brandon with Tin Foil Tells podcast. Have
<v Speaker 1>your picture taken with an award winning podcaster at the
<v Speaker 1>first Annual Indiana Bigfoot Conference and Convention of Nashville, Indiana.
<v Speaker 2>If you're not familiar with Nashville, it is a beautiful place.
<v Speaker 2>It is like I wouldn't call them mountains. It's very
<v Speaker 2>hilly for Indiana. We're usually flat farm land, but down there,
<v Speaker 2>I love it. It's very squatchy. It's there's been a
<v Speaker 2>lot of side That's why they're doing it down there
<v Speaker 2>because that's one of the biggest hot spots for the.
<v Speaker 1>State of Indiana, and people do love squatchy places.
<v Speaker 2>I actually was contacted by someone from the area while back,
<v Speaker 2>and I've been meaning to reach back out when they
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to come on the show, but they were
<v Speaker 2>afraid for their family. It's kind of reminiscent of what
<v Speaker 2>we just talked about, but now so there is not
<v Speaker 2>just sasquatch in the area because from what he'd claims
<v Speaker 2>he'd seen, it was very dog manage So there's that
<v Speaker 2>very interesting. But oh, Matt's been a pleasure. Thanks for
<v Speaker 2>having me on.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you've had your own encounter that you'd
<v Speaker 1>like to share on the podcast, send me an email
<v Speaker 1>at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the
<v Speaker 1>website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can find links to
<v Speaker 1>social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need all in
<v Speaker 1>one place. And until next time, remember there's something in
<v Speaker 1>the woods.