Van Halen vs Van Hagar (Part 2)- Was VH better with David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar?

<v Speaker 1>Welcome back everybody. There's a lot of music in this
<v Speaker 1>episode today. If you want to purchase some of the songs,
<v Speaker 1>you can always get them on Apple Music or Google Play.
<v Speaker 1>But for your convenience, we have placed links in our
<v Speaker 1>show notes to the vinyl albums if you're into that
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing, so please check those out.
<v Speaker 2>All right, everybody, thank you for listening. This is episode two.
<v Speaker 3>Of our Van Helen Breakdown.
<v Speaker 2>This soone's called The Rise and Fall of davidly Roth.
<v Speaker 1>We want to thank you guys again so much for
<v Speaker 1>all of the positive feedback that you're giving us. We'd
<v Speaker 1>like to do another shout out to a positive review
<v Speaker 1>that we received on Apple Podcast. This one is from
<v Speaker 1>Jeff harmon five Stars. Is called Eighties Bliss. These guys
<v Speaker 1>start breaking down eighties music and movies, and I'm instantly
<v Speaker 1>taken back to a wonderful time in my life, full
<v Speaker 1>of fun, debate and laughs. Highly recommended. Man, I could
<v Speaker 1>not have picked a better endorsement of what we do
<v Speaker 1>and what we want to do. I'm really glad that
<v Speaker 1>we're taking you back, man.
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jeff, appreciate you.
<v Speaker 4>Ma.
<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to give a shout out to Dean Marino.
<v Speaker 1>He was our first follower on Twitter. Started talking to
<v Speaker 1>Dean last year when we were first working on the
<v Speaker 1>van Halen podcast. Dean is at dea NS sixty nine
<v Speaker 1>Z and he is the writer of the van Halen
<v Speaker 1>Letter and a Camaro fan. So cars van Halen all
<v Speaker 1>on this episode. Thanks so much for your support, Dean
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it, and thank you for the conversations.
<v Speaker 3>Oh real quick.
<v Speaker 2>This is episode two of a three parter.
<v Speaker 1>Right, so, if you haven't heard episode one of van
<v Speaker 1>Halen versus van Agar, you might want to push pause,
<v Speaker 1>go back to the previous episode and listen to the
<v Speaker 1>birth of the band. But without further ado, here is
<v Speaker 1>part two, the Rise and Fall of David Lee Roth.
<v Speaker 5>Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast,
<v Speaker 5>discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties
<v Speaker 5>and nineties pop.
<v Speaker 3>Culture with your co hosts James D.
<v Speaker 5>Graves and Jason Colban.
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back for part two of the Shirley You Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast.
<v Speaker 2>Here's a quick recap of last week's.
<v Speaker 1>Episode, nineteen sixty two. They get on a large boat
<v Speaker 1>and then after a few nights they had them get
<v Speaker 1>up in between sets, and then the next night they
<v Speaker 1>were sitting at the captain's table. Because the star Little
<v Speaker 1>Boys won everyone's hearts, and so they became the star
<v Speaker 1>of the show. I think at that point the sea
<v Speaker 1>was planted and they were ready to be stage musicians
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of their lives.
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take very long to figure out there are
<v Speaker 2>benefits to being the performance.
<v Speaker 1>And so they would pay somebody ten bucks per show
<v Speaker 1>to go rent the system. And one of the guys
<v Speaker 1>they were runting from.
<v Speaker 3>Was this kid named Davie Ross, kid named David.
<v Speaker 1>Lee Roth, and so after a while, Alex just said,
<v Speaker 1>you know, we need a lead singer, and we need
<v Speaker 1>his pa system. Might as well get two birds with
<v Speaker 1>one stone here and just have him join the band
<v Speaker 1>and be her lead singer.
<v Speaker 2>In a matter of ten dollars, they land one of
<v Speaker 2>the greatest frontmen of any rock band of all time.
<v Speaker 1>And then David Lee Roth was like, you know what
<v Speaker 1>Van Halen sounds cool and it's your name. Let's make
<v Speaker 1>the band name.
<v Speaker 3>That was Daily Ross's idea.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely yeah. Once they had gained that big following, they
<v Speaker 1>finally landed a gig as kind of the house band
<v Speaker 1>for a place called Gazari's.
<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's in Holy.
<v Speaker 1>And Oddly, from time to time Bill Gazari would come
<v Speaker 1>up to David and say, hey, Van, you guys did
<v Speaker 1>last night? Were a couple extra bucks. I guess he
<v Speaker 1>thought he was like Van Morrison or something. So he
<v Speaker 1>had a special guitar. Yeah, absolutely had a special guitar.
<v Speaker 1>So here's something, here's something that many people don't know
<v Speaker 1>about Eddie, which is just absolutely amazing. The man was
<v Speaker 1>an inventor. He wasn't. He didn't just redefine the way
<v Speaker 1>that you played the guitar. He created his own guitar.
<v Speaker 1>Gene Simmons said, I don't think you guys should call
<v Speaker 1>yourselves in Halen.
<v Speaker 2>I think you guys ought to change your name to
<v Speaker 2>Daddy long Legs.
<v Speaker 1>Which who knows, maybe that would have worked.
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. No, it's not the same b
<v Speaker 3>and they do the right thing.
<v Speaker 2>When Gene Simmons tells you to do something after he
<v Speaker 2>had branded kiss, there's gonna be a big temptation to change.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how do you not how do I mean if
<v Speaker 1>you're if you're with that iconic figure, how do you
<v Speaker 1>not go? Yeah, that sounds great. Whatever you say, Gene,
<v Speaker 1>you're the man.
<v Speaker 2>You're worth a bazillion dollars, mister Simmons, I'll do whatever
<v Speaker 2>you say, right, But they say.
<v Speaker 1>No, we're going to pick up where we left off
<v Speaker 1>last time. We had covered the first two singles off
<v Speaker 1>of Van Halen One Awesome.
<v Speaker 2>This is going to be the rise and fall of Daily.
<v Speaker 1>Roth and as always, please hit the subscribe button now
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<v Speaker 3>So then where are we now? The third single?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so yeah. The third single is Ain't Talking About Love.
<v Speaker 1>This is one of those few songs that they did
<v Speaker 1>with Sammy after Sammy joined the band, one of the
<v Speaker 1>few Wroth songs that made it over. And it was
<v Speaker 1>originally supposed to be a punk parody from Eddie, but
<v Speaker 1>he just said, well, it just didn't ever really sound
<v Speaker 1>like punk. I mean, it's be punk. It's only two chords,
<v Speaker 1>it's a minor and it's g It's one I was
<v Speaker 1>able to pick up.
<v Speaker 2>It's one of my favorite davidly Roth fan Allen songs.
<v Speaker 3>It's so good.
<v Speaker 1>But he starts off that song and he's you can
<v Speaker 1>listen to the beginning we'll listen to the beginning of
<v Speaker 1>it real quick. So you hear how the strings sound
<v Speaker 1>different there, They sound muffled, right. It's a technique called
<v Speaker 1>muting where with your right hand you're holding the pick,
<v Speaker 1>but you put your palm against the bottom part of
<v Speaker 1>the strings. You don't press them down so much that
<v Speaker 1>there's no sound at all, but you press it just
<v Speaker 1>enough to mute the strings. And that's what you're doing.
<v Speaker 3>Cool, okay, And.
<v Speaker 1>So that's that cool sound. And nobody's going to say
<v Speaker 1>that these songs were amazing. Lyrics wise, David Lee Roth
<v Speaker 1>did pretty much all the lyrics, and I think he'll
<v Speaker 1>readily admit there's no depth. There's no depth.
<v Speaker 3>From some silliness.
<v Speaker 1>And so tell me what you remember what you learned
<v Speaker 1>about David and his upbringing as a child.
<v Speaker 2>So Dave was born into a family of a successful
<v Speaker 2>eye surgeon. We already kind of talked about that while
<v Speaker 2>his dad was bringing them up. His uncle, I think,
<v Speaker 2>is a well known doctor as well, and there's kind
<v Speaker 2>of medical family and they expected Dave to kind of
<v Speaker 2>fall in their footsteps. But Day was known as sort
<v Speaker 2>of the troublemaker, the high hyper energy troublemaking kid, but
<v Speaker 2>not medical school material.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 1>If anybody can say anything about David Lee Roth's, he's
<v Speaker 1>going to suck the marrow out of life. That's his goal. Right.
<v Speaker 2>He definitely party follows him around.
<v Speaker 3>That's for sure.
<v Speaker 1>So his his motto was, it doesn't matter whether you
<v Speaker 1>win or lose, it's just how good you look. And
<v Speaker 1>so I can't think of for really a more shallow
<v Speaker 1>statement than that, but that was just like that's the
<v Speaker 1>kind of mantra of his life. And then there but
<v Speaker 1>just you know, to kind of psychoanalyze maybe a little
<v Speaker 1>too much. If you listen to Ain't talking about love,
<v Speaker 1>it says, I've been to the edge, I've stood and
<v Speaker 1>looked down. I've lost a lot of friends there, baby,
<v Speaker 1>I ain't got no time to mess around. I think
<v Speaker 1>he probably had a darker side that was related to
<v Speaker 1>thinking deeply that he actively decided to avoid. You listen
<v Speaker 1>to him talking. You know, he's an intelligent guy. He's
<v Speaker 1>scattered and obviously manic.
<v Speaker 3>He's man he's way way manic.
<v Speaker 1>But there's definitely a high degree of intelligence that's going
<v Speaker 1>on there. But he I think he has a fear
<v Speaker 1>of the deep.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so are we done? With you talking about love,
<v Speaker 2>I'm done with How about the next song, Jamie's Crying?
<v Speaker 4>She saw was now.
<v Speaker 1>So this song is about a girl who she decides
<v Speaker 1>that she's wanting more than just physical love. She wants real,
<v Speaker 1>true love. And so you can tell from the timber.
<v Speaker 3>Of the band Dave lets her down easy. I'm sure.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's great, see you later. I'll go down
<v Speaker 1>on the block.
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing to me about this song, Okay, Jamie's
<v Speaker 2>Crying nineteen seventy eight, we get a taste of this again,
<v Speaker 2>very successful song in nineteen eighty nine. May have heard
<v Speaker 2>of it. May surprise you. Tonloaks, wild Thing, Let's do it.
<v Speaker 1>On that debut album, they had a lot of success.
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have any number ones, but it was a
<v Speaker 1>platinum album for them. They came back from the tour
<v Speaker 1>and they were exhausted. Eleven solid months on tour and
<v Speaker 1>they came back.
<v Speaker 3>Story.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when they come back from tour in eleven months
<v Speaker 2>of killing it every night, hard work, eleven straight months
<v Speaker 2>supporting the album, they get back. The manager of the
<v Speaker 2>record company says, great job. You guys did awesome. You
<v Speaker 2>lost three million dollars in a new record.
<v Speaker 3>What Squeezebeak.
<v Speaker 1>They've got another album to come out with, and before
<v Speaker 1>we leave Van Halen One, we shouldn't forget that there
<v Speaker 1>are many other good songs on there, and this is
<v Speaker 1>one of those few albums that exists in history that
<v Speaker 1>is good from beginning to end. There are no bad songs,
<v Speaker 1>there are no throwaway tracks. Feel Your Love Tonight is
<v Speaker 1>one that's on there that we didn't mention.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, and then right album front to back, top
<v Speaker 2>to bottom, one of my favorites that we don't. It
<v Speaker 2>kind of gets overlooked, but it gets some radio plays
<v Speaker 2>called ice Cream Man.
<v Speaker 1>I love ice Cream Man. It was the cover of
<v Speaker 1>an old blues song and it's the only song maybe
<v Speaker 1>maybe on any of the albums. I haven't really researched
<v Speaker 1>it out, but definitely on this album. It's the only
<v Speaker 1>one that Dave is playing some guitar on. He's the
<v Speaker 1>one for the I.
<v Speaker 2>Don't even know Dave could play the guitar well.
<v Speaker 1>The song part that he's playing is not terrible. Comm
<v Speaker 1>you'd probably play it with only two fingers, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever seen Dave hold a guitar?
<v Speaker 1>No, I've never in my life seen it, but wisely.
<v Speaker 1>You know, Dave said when he first saw them on stage,
<v Speaker 1>when he before he had joined the band, he saw
<v Speaker 1>Eddie play and he said, what he does with his hands,
<v Speaker 1>I want to do with my feet and my voice.
<v Speaker 1>He knew his place, he knew what he needed to do,
<v Speaker 1>and he knew where his skill sets. No your limitations,
<v Speaker 1>absolutely so you had ice Cream man, you had feel
<v Speaker 1>your Love. We have several other great songs on the album,
<v Speaker 1>but we obviously don't have time to go through all
<v Speaker 1>of those. After that they come back, Warner Brothers said
<v Speaker 1>we need a new album, and the album that comes
<v Speaker 1>out is van Halen too. Several great songs on that album.
<v Speaker 1>A couple of my favorites are Beautiful Girls. Their big
<v Speaker 1>big hit was Dance the Night Away.
<v Speaker 3>It's the night great song, dance.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was again you're seeing this this bringing
<v Speaker 1>what people wanted from disco into rock and roll right.
<v Speaker 1>Dance the Night Away is Dave obviously Dave's influence and
<v Speaker 1>making something showy and glamorous with the hard rock and
<v Speaker 1>rock behind it.
<v Speaker 2>Also, another notable song I think is the opening one,
<v Speaker 2>You're No Good. It's Van Halen's version of the Linda ronstance.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know that I've actually heard that version.
<v Speaker 1>Let's I want to listen to. We'll play a example
<v Speaker 1>of that real quest.
<v Speaker 4>But now.
<v Speaker 1>Fat Okay, Well, I gotta say honestly, that was one
<v Speaker 1>of the rare circumstances where they took somebody's song and
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they made it better.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't. I didn't like it that much.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now I think Linda Ron said I mean number one,
<v Speaker 1>she's hot back then.
<v Speaker 3>And she was hot.
<v Speaker 1>She got a great voice, beautiful voice. Usually had Eagles backing,
<v Speaker 1>think too, ye was I wonderfully backed her on that song.
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I don't know.
<v Speaker 2>This isn't crazy. I really don't understand it. But they
<v Speaker 2>started recording December tenth, nineteen seventy eight. They were finished
<v Speaker 2>recording this album December sixteenth, nineteen seventy eight.
<v Speaker 3>That's six days.
<v Speaker 1>Holy crap.
<v Speaker 3>I guess they wanted to get it in before Christmas.
<v Speaker 3>They had to do some.
<v Speaker 1>Shopping or something.
<v Speaker 3>I yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It was released March twenty third, nineteen seventy nine.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they released Van Halen one in January of
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight. They released Van Halen two in March of
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine.
<v Speaker 2>So they tour and then the next album they go
<v Speaker 2>in the studio is Women and Children first, that comes
<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen eighty.
<v Speaker 1>The big song that I remember from that album is
<v Speaker 1>Everybody Wants Some, which is still getting record play today.
<v Speaker 1>I love it's still a great song.
<v Speaker 2>It is a great song. And for those of you
<v Speaker 2>who maybe I don't know if you're like me, but
<v Speaker 2>the movie Better Off Dead with John Cusack, there's a
<v Speaker 2>big sort of dancing Hamburger animation thing in the middle
<v Speaker 2>that is set to Everybody Wants Some.
<v Speaker 3>And that's how I learned that song.
<v Speaker 1>That's a weird scene. It is a strange, strange scene.
<v Speaker 3>Again, a great movie. We need to talk about that movie.
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes, all right, So then anything else to say about
<v Speaker 1>Women and Children.
<v Speaker 3>Only on one another? You know. Another big song was
<v Speaker 3>and the credle Wile Rock.
<v Speaker 1>It's the credible rock breach, number fifty five on the
<v Speaker 1>Hot one hundred. At this point, there's still really not
<v Speaker 1>seeing very many rock songs. They are still one of
<v Speaker 1>the few bands that you're that you're seeing on them.
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen eighty is the time when sort of Kenny Rogers
<v Speaker 2>and sort of pop country was big on the charts.
<v Speaker 1>I'm Yourn and Shining Armor and I Love You. Sure
<v Speaker 1>you had southern rock doing well as well, but it
<v Speaker 1>just still wasn't the hard rock other than Van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>So after this album comes out, they go on a
<v Speaker 3>tour yep. So it's like.
<v Speaker 1>Album tour, album tour, album tour, working hard like they
<v Speaker 1>did when before they were famous.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and this whole time Eddie's been working on material.
<v Speaker 2>He wants to come up with a solo album, and
<v Speaker 2>that's what Fair Warning was actually intended to be, was
<v Speaker 2>an Eddie van Halen solo album. And that's why it's
<v Speaker 2>a little more darker, a little more guitar heavy.
<v Speaker 1>It's creepy.
<v Speaker 3>Not a fan, it's not.
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of Unchained is great, don't be wrong.
<v Speaker 1>I love Unchained. It's a great song, but the majority
<v Speaker 1>of the album is not. It's not to my taste.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying it's a bad album. It's and
<v Speaker 1>there are tons of diehard fans that will love it,
<v Speaker 1>but it's just not my It wasn't my favorite me either.
<v Speaker 3>Unchained is phenomenal.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that song, that's the that's the bright Shining Star,
<v Speaker 1>on that album for sure, without match.
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't realize, but at this time
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen this is when we have the first major
<v Speaker 2>tension between Eddie and Dave. Dave is wanting to be
<v Speaker 2>more pop. Eddie wants to be more rock. That's crazy
<v Speaker 2>because they flip sides later on absolutely flip sides. So
<v Speaker 2>Dave wants to be more pop, Eddie wants to be
<v Speaker 2>more rock, and everybody's getting tired of Dave's ego I think,
<v Speaker 2>and Eddie can be a pain in the butt too,
<v Speaker 2>and you couple him with Alex and.
<v Speaker 1>The thing about people who are able to achieve this
<v Speaker 1>type of success in these type of fields is that
<v Speaker 1>they have to be kind of full of themselves. They
<v Speaker 1>have to be extremely confident, which is what led them
<v Speaker 1>to each other. I mean, Dave saw Eddie's ability and
<v Speaker 1>confidence on the stage. They saw Dave's swagger and thought
<v Speaker 1>this will be something that fits for what we want.
<v Speaker 1>And so obviously it works very very well. But those
<v Speaker 1>tensions will eventually come to a head.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So moving on past nineteen eighty one, Past Fair Warning,
<v Speaker 2>which to me, the only thing worth talking about on
<v Speaker 2>that album is unchained, Right, you go into nineteen eighty two,
<v Speaker 2>they come up with this idea that, hey, we need
<v Speaker 2>to take some time off, but we want to stay relevant,
<v Speaker 2>we want to stay out front. Let's I got an idea.
<v Speaker 2>Let's just do a cover song, put it out there,
<v Speaker 2>we'll make a video for it, and we'll stay in
<v Speaker 2>front of people.
<v Speaker 3>And so Dave.
<v Speaker 2>Comes up the idea and he says, let's do Dancing
<v Speaker 2>in the street.
<v Speaker 1>Right, And Eddie says, no, I don't think that's a
<v Speaker 1>good one. Let's do pretty Woman.
<v Speaker 3>And so they say, okay, let's do it.
<v Speaker 2>And they come up with it and it's great and
<v Speaker 2>they put it out and it's this massive hit.
<v Speaker 1>Number twelve, reach number twelve, which, again, knowing that what
<v Speaker 1>we know, what we've said so far, a hard rock
<v Speaker 1>version of pretty Woman getting that high on the church
<v Speaker 1>is amazing, but it locks them into another issue.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, and the record company says, you've got this
<v Speaker 2>hit song, but we don't have an album. We've got
<v Speaker 2>to have an album. You guys got to get back
<v Speaker 2>in the studio and produce an album to go with
<v Speaker 2>this hit song. Right, which, before we get into that,
<v Speaker 2>have you ever watched the video for Pretty Women?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 2>It is the weird is okay, So we know music
<v Speaker 2>videos at nineteen eighty two are weird and they're cheap,
<v Speaker 2>and they're all these things.
<v Speaker 1>Right. Nineteen eighty one, by the way, just for a reminder,
<v Speaker 1>is when MTV first came out. Late eighty one August
<v Speaker 1>of eighty one is when MTV came out, right, And
<v Speaker 1>so in eighty two the music video there, there's less
<v Speaker 1>than three hundred.
<v Speaker 3>Music videos out there.
<v Speaker 2>So this music video Pretty Woman, if you watch it,
<v Speaker 2>you have these midgets who are sexually assaulting this woman
<v Speaker 2>who is tied up.
<v Speaker 3>They are groping her.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And so Michael Anthony gets a phone call, but
<v Speaker 2>he's a samurai, and then he calls his friend jungle
<v Speaker 2>boy Alex van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>He's got bone and he's like a caveman.
<v Speaker 2>So he calls his friend gunslinger Eddie van Halen, who
<v Speaker 2>then calls his friend David.
<v Speaker 3>Lee Roth, who is dressed like George Washington.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, actually I can I can kind of remember
<v Speaker 1>that part because he had a very adam and look
<v Speaker 1>about him. I'm thinking that I just have blocked out
<v Speaker 1>the midget problem. I don't think that's a PC anymore
<v Speaker 1>little people. That he's being attacked by the little people.
<v Speaker 2>This woman is being assaulted by little people.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, back to the album.
<v Speaker 2>Five of the twelve songs are covers.
<v Speaker 1>And the band they're not getting along, and they really
<v Speaker 1>kind of consider this Dave's album because they would never
<v Speaker 1>have done this many covers on an album.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And this is the Van Halen Brothers very
<v Speaker 2>public least favorite album.
<v Speaker 1>It's the least favorite album of the Roth albums for
<v Speaker 1>most folks. But let's keep in mind they set a
<v Speaker 1>world record at this point in their career, which kind
<v Speaker 1>of indicates it doesn't really matter that they're not doing
<v Speaker 1>what they feel is their best work. Just after their
<v Speaker 1>tour for this, they decide they got to get away
<v Speaker 1>from each other. Dave goes with their head of security
<v Speaker 1>and they travel down to the Amazon. Now, you know,
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the guys are married. They're going to
<v Speaker 1>go be with their wives and family. But Dave and
<v Speaker 1>a handful of security guys are down there on a
<v Speaker 1>boat in the Amazon in the jungle. Interestingly, this guy,
<v Speaker 1>the security guard, who is their head of security and
<v Speaker 1>looked like a total kick butt guy, said that he
<v Speaker 1>you know, when they put him in charge of security.
<v Speaker 1>The first thing that Dave said to him when he
<v Speaker 1>came in is do you have a problem with drugging
<v Speaker 1>and drinking? No, he goes, do you have a problem
<v Speaker 1>with underage girls running around and have a fun And
<v Speaker 1>he goes no, And he goes can you roller skate?
<v Speaker 1>And the guy says no, what I can learn? And
<v Speaker 1>so he was their head of security, and he developed
<v Speaker 1>a system where if there was going to be a
<v Speaker 1>problem in the crowd, they had sectors and zones of
<v Speaker 1>the crowd. They were like a problem in sector five,
<v Speaker 1>row seven, man in the black t shirt. Well, Dave
<v Speaker 1>very quickly caught onto this mapping concept, and so even
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the show, he would be bop
<v Speaker 1>himself over to one of the security guards and go okay,
<v Speaker 1>Sector fifteen, Row three, red shirt, blonde giver backstage pass
<v Speaker 1>YEP one ring and so all of this there was
<v Speaker 1>a system like all of the security guards would hand
<v Speaker 1>out the backstage passes for Dave and maybe for the
<v Speaker 1>other guys, but really for Dave, and they would sign
<v Speaker 1>their name to the back of the pass. And if
<v Speaker 1>Dave had a deep and meaningful conversation with one of
<v Speaker 1>these ladies that had the badge, the guy who had
<v Speaker 1>the name on the back of the backstage pass, he
<v Speaker 1>got a little.
<v Speaker 2>Extra money, got the nice tips, that's right.
<v Speaker 1>And if it was really deep and really long, he.
<v Speaker 2>Got a lot of extra money, that's right. Centivizing the help,
<v Speaker 2>I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. You gotta know where your priorities are.
<v Speaker 1>Use the system that's in place.
<v Speaker 3>So Dave in the jungle.
<v Speaker 1>So Dave's in the jungle with the security guard. They
<v Speaker 1>they end up in one port. They call back to
<v Speaker 1>that to the US to talk to people, and they're like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>you guys got to get back. We have been asked
<v Speaker 1>to do the US Festival. And so the US Festival
<v Speaker 1>was something that had been put together the year before
<v Speaker 1>by Steve Wozniak.
<v Speaker 3>Thea was of Apple computer fame.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, co founder of Apple with Steve jobs. He was
<v Speaker 1>disenfranchised with the seventies, which had been the ME generation,
<v Speaker 1>and so he put together this thing called the US
<v Speaker 1>Festival because he wanted the eighties to be the US generation.
<v Speaker 1>And the headlining band for that festival was and do
<v Speaker 1>you know what the record is that they said.
<v Speaker 3>So Guinness Book World Record.
<v Speaker 2>They got one point five million dollars for a ninety
<v Speaker 2>minute set.
<v Speaker 1>They do an hour and a half set. They make
<v Speaker 1>more money than anybody has for that, but tensions are
<v Speaker 1>still high.
<v Speaker 2>Tensions are high. Even a million dollars an hour can't
<v Speaker 2>cure some of the tensions that are going on. So
<v Speaker 2>during nineteen eighty three they begin working on a new album, YEP,
<v Speaker 2>to come out at the very end of nineteen eighty three, YEP,
<v Speaker 2>and that album is called nineteen eighty four. For me,
<v Speaker 2>this is the best of the Dave albums. This is
<v Speaker 2>my introduction to van Halen. Sure, this is where I
<v Speaker 2>jumped in, but this is a new van Halen. So
<v Speaker 2>my introduction to van Halen is the new van Halen, absolutely,
<v Speaker 2>which is partly why I think I'm partial to Sammy
<v Speaker 2>later on. But the new sound begins here.
<v Speaker 1>So, as I said before, this was my introduction to
<v Speaker 1>the band as well. And you couldn't help but be
<v Speaker 1>inundated with Jump at that time in history. It was
<v Speaker 1>that it was the first single off the album. It
<v Speaker 1>is their only number one hit, and if you got
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to watch MTV, it was on all the
<v Speaker 1>time and it was fascinating.
<v Speaker 3>It was fantastic it was.
<v Speaker 1>It was four guys on stage with no crowd. I
<v Speaker 1>mean it's just them jumping.
<v Speaker 3>It's like a black room with the black drum cloth.
<v Speaker 3>I mean there's nothing happening.
<v Speaker 1>There is literally nothing going on. They're in weird clothes
<v Speaker 1>that you know, there's leopard skin, tatters of clothes on
<v Speaker 1>stuck on to Dave's body and he's making love with
<v Speaker 1>the camera as much as anybody could and then doing
<v Speaker 1>these amazing acrobatics.
<v Speaker 3>It's a pretty limber guy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he can do these jumping high split kicks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, doing the full splits up in the air off
<v Speaker 1>of the drum stand.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, flip in the video.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I remember Jump being the intro to all the cub
<v Speaker 2>games on WGN, right that whole summer, right.
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. Jump is everywhere. The diehard Van Halen fans
<v Speaker 1>are getting mixed reviews. Some of them are sticking with them,
<v Speaker 1>some of them are like, I don't know what's gone
<v Speaker 1>on with these guys. Now, if you listen to the
<v Speaker 1>rest of nineteen eighty four, there's plenty of pure hard
<v Speaker 1>Van Halen hits on that one, and a couple of
<v Speaker 1>them are are popular. Now, you know, you get those
<v Speaker 1>guys who think they sold out, and so then all
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, if it's popular, they're not interested anymore. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about you guys, because you love the
<v Speaker 1>popular song.
<v Speaker 3>I love radio friendly hits.
<v Speaker 2>That's what resonates with me, right, I like that?
<v Speaker 3>I don't.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not one of these guys like a radio on
<v Speaker 2>top forty sucks. Before we move on from Jump, Jump
<v Speaker 2>was listed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
<v Speaker 2>as one of five hundred songs that Shape.
<v Speaker 1>Run nineteen eighty four. Is the first single and biggest
<v Speaker 1>hit that they ever had is Jump, as we've said,
<v Speaker 1>and then there are three more singles that come off
<v Speaker 1>of that album, Panama, Hot for Teacher, and I'll Wait.
<v Speaker 1>Drop Dead Legs is another great song of the album,
<v Speaker 1>but I don't have a lot to say about that one.
<v Speaker 2>Drop Dead Legs is a fantastic stripper song.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't strip, so I don't know, now you know,
<v Speaker 1>So let's talk briefly about those three songs. I'll Wait
<v Speaker 1>was thirteen hit for the second release, it went to
<v Speaker 1>number thirteen the Hot one hundred. Yeah, no video, no
<v Speaker 1>video for that one, which is interesting as big of
<v Speaker 1>a hit as it was and as obvious video heads
<v Speaker 1>that they had become, especially Dave, but.
<v Speaker 2>More synthesizer on this song as well.
<v Speaker 1>But the use of the synthesizer, I'm gonna have to say, yes,
<v Speaker 1>it was a crossover. But that is why this was
<v Speaker 1>the number one hit. That is why, that is why
<v Speaker 1>I'll wait it was such a big hit, is because
<v Speaker 1>that synthesizer allowed them to cross over to a broader
<v Speaker 1>audience than they had ever had been flow down and
<v Speaker 1>so they've got these other singles. I love Panama maybe
<v Speaker 1>my favorite song off of the album. Here's something interesting
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't bring it up when we talked about
<v Speaker 1>Van Halen's debut album, but they covered a band when
<v Speaker 1>they were in their early stages called Cactus which I
<v Speaker 1>had never heard before. But there is no question. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>the boys have as much admitted so several of the
<v Speaker 1>songs that they have they totally have borrowed some part
<v Speaker 1>of a song. So the intro to Hot for Teacher
<v Speaker 1>with the drums and the guitar coming in is almost
<v Speaker 1>identical for a song called Parchment Farm by Cactus Sun.
<v Speaker 1>And then Eruption was a song that, again the intro
<v Speaker 1>was very similar to song let me swim by Cactus
<v Speaker 1>and we can play those side by side as well. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>there's no question he's borrowed these. You listen to him,
<v Speaker 1>it's undeniable, but he's improved them. Oh yeah, he's Mozart.
<v Speaker 1>There's somebody that nobody's ever heard of.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So Panama reaches number thirteen on the Hot one hundred. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>Hot fr Teager comes out. This video is one of
<v Speaker 2>my favorite videos.
<v Speaker 3>Of all time.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, with.
<v Speaker 2>The young Van Halen boys running around the school terrorizing. Right,
<v Speaker 2>you've got miss his ed and uh you know, misspelled
<v Speaker 2>and miss science or whatever, and those spelled teachers running around.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's fantastic.
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. You got the beginning part with Waldo. You've got
<v Speaker 1>his kind of awkwardly sighing mother, and then when Waldo speaks,
<v Speaker 1>he's got this unusually deep voice.
<v Speaker 3>Oh mom, yeah, no, I'm not like other guys. I'm nervous.
<v Speaker 3>Then my socks there too.
<v Speaker 2>You know who that voice is right now? That voice
<v Speaker 2>is Phil Hartman of Saturday Night Life fame.
<v Speaker 1>Oh Phil Hartman, God rest his soul, of course, that's him.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's perfect. Gets on the.
<v Speaker 3>Bus, sat down, Waldo.
<v Speaker 1>So Dave is the one that's responsible for the videos
<v Speaker 1>on both Panama and Panama. You know they I think
<v Speaker 1>they they did a thing that seemed to be happening
<v Speaker 1>a lot back then, which was videos of the concert
<v Speaker 1>where they're flying on cables like bon Jovi is doing
<v Speaker 1>the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>I could sell that and living on a prayer bon
<v Speaker 2>Jovi was.
<v Speaker 1>Like bouncing all over the place. They look awful. These
<v Speaker 1>guys look fun, right, They're they're flying and drinking beer
<v Speaker 1>and playing the guitar. It's it's amazing stuff. And so
<v Speaker 1>their success is beyond what it has ever been in history.
<v Speaker 1>They are literally at the top of their game, and
<v Speaker 1>they hate each other.
<v Speaker 2>This is where it falls apart. Dave's ego is out
<v Speaker 2>of control. At this point, Eddie and Dave are lockinghorns,
<v Speaker 2>and Alex sides with Eddie of course, of course, and
<v Speaker 2>Michael's in the crossfire. But Dave comes up with a
<v Speaker 2>new album, a solo album called Crazy from.
<v Speaker 1>The Heat Right, so he had criticized Eddie in the
<v Speaker 1>past for playing with Michael Jackson. This is something we
<v Speaker 1>talked about on our first episode, that the guys were
<v Speaker 1>doing other things. Michael calls Eddie. We played guitar in
<v Speaker 1>the song shirt and then that one ends up being
<v Speaker 1>a number one hit and the album keeps nineteen eighty
<v Speaker 1>four from reaching number one status as an album. So
<v Speaker 1>Dave and the guys are pretty pissed about that. And
<v Speaker 1>you see it in one of his videos that comes
<v Speaker 1>out from that solo album, is he kind of is
<v Speaker 1>mocking Michael Jackson in the just a Jigglo videos. As
<v Speaker 1>all of this is going on, is that they would
<v Speaker 1>call these band meetings to get together and write songs
<v Speaker 1>and talk about what was going to happen.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they would have these band meetings at eight
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning, which is crazy for a rock
<v Speaker 2>band to try to do anything at eight o'clock.
<v Speaker 3>In the morning.
<v Speaker 2>But the group consensus at any time you heard the
<v Speaker 2>words band meeting, everybody was like, oh gosh, So eight
<v Speaker 2>o'clock in the morning, they were supposed to be there
<v Speaker 2>to write and play music. Dave would show about eleven,
<v Speaker 2>start a fight.
<v Speaker 1>And then leave, Yeah, probably with a couple girls.
<v Speaker 3>Right, And I can tillly see Dave doing this.
<v Speaker 1>And so then just like he was upset about, he,
<v Speaker 1>unbeknownst to them, goes and finds another group of guys
<v Speaker 1>to play with, produces an album, a four song album,
<v Speaker 1>which he says, hey, you know, any album's only got
<v Speaker 1>four good songs on it. Anyway, I'm just cutting off
<v Speaker 1>the fat. As it turned out, there were only really
<v Speaker 1>two good songs on the album, so it's still worked
<v Speaker 1>out to be about the same. But as a surprise
<v Speaker 1>to the remainder of the band, he releases Crazy from
<v Speaker 1>the Heat from.
<v Speaker 4>The hit.
<v Speaker 1>Now this is the ego speaking right here. He does
<v Speaker 1>an interview with David Letterman in early eighty five talking
<v Speaker 1>about that album, and Dave is trying to find out
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen with the rest of the band.
<v Speaker 4>I think now's a good time on New Year's to
<v Speaker 4>decide whether you're going to be a hot dog or
<v Speaker 4>a little weenie.
<v Speaker 3>I well, I have beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>I have chosen to remain a little weener for one
<v Speaker 4>more season.
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna be a Weeni for another year?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? You bet.
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're doing solo work? Is the is the Does
<v Speaker 1>this mean that the band will soon be breaking up?
<v Speaker 4>No?
<v Speaker 3>No, that happens. You know that does happen.
<v Speaker 4>That's that's the spinal tap story. Now, I still have
<v Speaker 4>very I still have very strong tribal instincts, and we'll
<v Speaker 4>be going into the studio like the middle of this
<v Speaker 4>month and start arguing again, and we'll come back out
<v Speaker 4>with an album sometime this year, hopefully.
<v Speaker 1>He has this full expectation that the band's going to
<v Speaker 1>stay together. But you just you can't do that. You
<v Speaker 1>can't be the guy who goes and trashes the meetings,
<v Speaker 1>the guy who orates somebody for going and doing work
<v Speaker 1>with other people, and then pull off this stunt and
<v Speaker 1>expect to remain in the band.
<v Speaker 2>He also had a movie deal on the table that
<v Speaker 2>was annoying the band as well.
<v Speaker 1>Well. As I said earlier, he was the directing force
<v Speaker 1>behind their videos, which are fantastic. I mean, they're great,
<v Speaker 1>well put together videos. He's obviously playing a part in this.
<v Speaker 1>He's developed this kind of Dave TV idea.
<v Speaker 3>It was the big thing for about five minutes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he really really was coming up strong. But there's
<v Speaker 1>only so much wind power that can take you when
<v Speaker 1>you don't have your name band behind you.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 2>So we've heard rumors that he was fired, we've heard
<v Speaker 2>rumors that he quit.
<v Speaker 1>Either way, I don't think there's any question that he
<v Speaker 1>made a decision that led to his exit from the band,
<v Speaker 1>but that decision was probably not his to leave. But
<v Speaker 1>there's to say you don't belong here anymore. You've pushed
<v Speaker 1>it too far.
<v Speaker 3>So Dave's out.
<v Speaker 1>Dave is out.
<v Speaker 2>Dave's out in nineteen eighty five at the pinnacle of
<v Speaker 2>their professional crew.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and so everyone is wondering what's going to go on,
<v Speaker 1>including Eddie and Alex. They don't know what. They don't
<v Speaker 1>know what to do. They don't know whether to get
<v Speaker 1>another bass player. They don't know whether to do a
<v Speaker 1>kind of compilation album where they've got multiple singers performing
<v Speaker 1>different songs with them, or to try to find one
<v Speaker 1>singer that they can go with.
<v Speaker 2>That's right, and the smart money at this time was
<v Speaker 2>probably on Dave.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you were if you're like, who am I
<v Speaker 1>going to back? Is it going to be Dave or
<v Speaker 1>van Halen? I mean, van Halen is not van Halen
<v Speaker 1>without David Lee Roth. It's just not.
<v Speaker 2>And that's why Ted Templeman went with Dave to produce
<v Speaker 2>Eatman Smile.
<v Speaker 1>Right, And he called Eddie and said, I'm sorry, I
<v Speaker 1>got to go with Dave on this and the crew too,
<v Speaker 1>and Eddie said, that's okay, I don't really want you
<v Speaker 1>to produce our albums anymore. Anyway. Well, he didn't take everybody.
<v Speaker 1>Don Landy stayed with them. Don Landy then became instead
<v Speaker 1>of the sound engineer, he became the producer. He became
<v Speaker 1>the new Ted Templeman, a fob in a big barn.
<v Speaker 3>All right.
<v Speaker 2>So there's some discussion in nineteen eighty five about whether
<v Speaker 2>or not to hire a full time lead singer or
<v Speaker 2>to just do an album with guest lead singers. But
<v Speaker 2>one of the So here are the names that are
<v Speaker 2>kicked around as Dave's replacement, and some of these blew
<v Speaker 2>me away by all accounts, including hers and Eddie's. The
<v Speaker 2>lead option to replace Dave is Patty smythe Great Voice.
<v Speaker 2>Not sure she's a fit for van Halen.
<v Speaker 1>No freaking way, no.
<v Speaker 3>All right, So she was the lead option.
<v Speaker 1>I think Patty Benatar. That would have been a great one.
<v Speaker 3>Patty Benaitar could have been an option.
<v Speaker 1>That Benatar had some kickbuck songs and was walking back.
<v Speaker 3>Away man, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Option number two Jimmy Barnes, which if you've ever seen
<v Speaker 2>The Lost Boys, you're familiar with the song good Times.
<v Speaker 1>Who Oh yeah, that was the one that he did
<v Speaker 1>with in excess. That's right, that's a great tune. And
<v Speaker 1>he does he's got a strong voice. I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if it's the right voice, but it's it's it's deeper,
<v Speaker 1>more like Dave's.
<v Speaker 3>Yep, it's a it's a screamer, all right.
<v Speaker 2>And then option number three, guy named Eric Martin, who
<v Speaker 2>you'll know if you have heard nineties music at all,
<v Speaker 2>the song to Be with You by mister Big.
<v Speaker 4>So come on, David, come on over, let it be.
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to show you? So he was the
<v Speaker 1>lead singer for mister Big. He was, Okay, that's an
<v Speaker 1>entirely different.
<v Speaker 3>Semi voice, absolutely softer.
<v Speaker 2>He's got too, a raspy, good voice, melodic. But this
<v Speaker 2>is the one that blew me away. This was an
<v Speaker 2>actual offer on the table. Darryl Hall of Hollow Noise.
<v Speaker 1>I love Hallowose. I listened to uh Lion eyes with
<v Speaker 1>Private Eyes thank you? Yeah? Sorry, yeah, I listened to
<v Speaker 1>Private Eyes over and over. But I'm not a Van Halen.
<v Speaker 3>How about how about Eddie Plane your kisses on my lips.
<v Speaker 1>Kiss unchained melody or something? Yeah, no way.
<v Speaker 2>All right, So there's very few people that I can
<v Speaker 2>actually step in for David. They have to be established
<v Speaker 2>or the fan base of Chumba, right, and they have
<v Speaker 2>to have balls of steel to get up there and
<v Speaker 2>rock out to these old ones and then pursue a
<v Speaker 2>new career with these guys. So who do they go to.
<v Speaker 2>They go back to the Montrose guy. They call Sam
<v Speaker 2>Hagar And.
<v Speaker 1>It makes absolute sense, and I thought so at the time.
<v Speaker 1>He had done very well with Montrose, had been very successful.
<v Speaker 1>Then he went out on his own solo career. Everybody
<v Speaker 1>knows the song I Can't Drive fifty five. I love
<v Speaker 1>the video Fast Cars. Frustration with this for you younger listeners.
<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen eighties, no one was allowed to drive
<v Speaker 1>over fifty five miles an hour anywhere in the United States.
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine how horrible that was, especially if you
<v Speaker 1>own a Lambert That's right.
<v Speaker 3>That's right.
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's just like, you know, here's the candy,
<v Speaker 1>but you can keep the wrapper on it? You can't, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>I don't. That'd be horrible. And so as it turns
<v Speaker 1>out that the Lamborghini that you see, and well maybe
<v Speaker 1>not that one, but a Sammy Hagar Lamborghini comes into
<v Speaker 1>play with the joining of Eddie Van Hana's exactly right
<v Speaker 1>and Sammy Hagar Sammy's cars in the shop right at
<v Speaker 1>the same time Eddie's cars in this Yeah, Eddie also
<v Speaker 1>had Lamborghini, which, by the way, that is the car
<v Speaker 1>engine that you hear in Panama.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we'd run a little bit hot tonight.
<v Speaker 3>I can barely see the road from the heat coming.
<v Speaker 1>Up with That is Eddie's nineteen seventy two Lamborghini. But
<v Speaker 1>he's having trouble with it. He takes it to his
<v Speaker 1>mechanic and is down, and the mechanic says, what's wrong Eddie.
<v Speaker 2>And Eddie says, I, Man, I don't need a new
<v Speaker 2>lead singer. And he says, man, what's you call Sammy?
<v Speaker 1>Sammy from Montrose?
<v Speaker 5>Right.
<v Speaker 2>So Eddie actually takes his advice, calls Sammy and says, hey, man,
<v Speaker 2>we'd love you to come to jam with the ben.
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's see what we got here and come down tomorrow.
<v Speaker 2>Sam He's like, man, I do nothing tomorrow. I just
<v Speaker 2>got off tour.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he just shaved his head. I mean it was
<v Speaker 1>I mean he cut his hair.
<v Speaker 2>It was it was he had he was on vacation.
<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm taking a break, and honestly, he's one of
<v Speaker 1>the few guys that could say I don't need you
<v Speaker 1>guys right now, that's right. I'm I'm really successful on
<v Speaker 1>my own. I'm not Van Halen successful, but I'm successful
<v Speaker 1>enough for me. And he is a savvy businessman. If
<v Speaker 1>you learn anything from his biography, it's that he knows
<v Speaker 1>how to run a business, and he's a business guy,
<v Speaker 1>and he's been around for a long time. He's older
<v Speaker 1>than all the rest of the guys, and he knows
<v Speaker 1>his stuff. So he's got no reason to have to
<v Speaker 1>do this. But he just says, you know, what the heck,
<v Speaker 1>it's what's the harm in meeting?
<v Speaker 2>I heard him say publicly in an interview that he
<v Speaker 2>went initially to jam see what, see what they had,
<v Speaker 2>what was going to go on and hopefully entice Eddie
<v Speaker 2>to play on his next album.
<v Speaker 3>Oh nice for my friendship.
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Eddie will play on my next album. Right when
<v Speaker 2>they get together, he shows up, they're out of their minds. There,
<v Speaker 2>they are drunk, and the whole place is covered in
<v Speaker 2>cigarette butts and it smells like a bar that hasn't
<v Speaker 2>been clean in ten years. And they start playing. They
<v Speaker 2>start playing and magic happens.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he says to himself, my gosh, if they
<v Speaker 1>can sound this good, completely burned out of their minds.
<v Speaker 1>These guys know how to party and they know how
<v Speaker 1>to play. This is my type of.
<v Speaker 2>Show, he said. Literally that day they played and words
<v Speaker 2>just sort of came out of his mouth, and Summer
<v Speaker 2>Nights was born out of that jam session.
<v Speaker 3>Right, just flowed right.
<v Speaker 1>Out, scouting, scatting the melody.
<v Speaker 2>That's it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So uh, he's he's known as the red rocker
<v Speaker 1>at that point, and and he's got his own fame.
<v Speaker 1>And so the first time that I saw him other
<v Speaker 1>than in his video was during Farm Aid which, gosh,
<v Speaker 1>if you go back, you can search. You can do
<v Speaker 1>a YouTube search on this one and see the old
<v Speaker 1>farm Maide video. Oh my, oh my, oh my.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's a song pro you track to pull him
<v Speaker 2>on the out.
<v Speaker 3>There, Come on, I can't drive.
<v Speaker 1>You know that he was he was a unique guy.
<v Speaker 1>He's he's very free with the language, very colorful, and
<v Speaker 1>he's with his regular band. And then he says he
<v Speaker 1>was looking at.
<v Speaker 4>The newspaper, right and it said that Eddie.
<v Speaker 3>Was gonna jam with me, And I thought.
<v Speaker 4>Well, I didn't know that.
<v Speaker 1>But Eddie comes out and they play together and they
<v Speaker 1>do an old led Zeppelin tune and they kill it.
<v Speaker 1>They killed of course they kill it.
<v Speaker 2>This was for all the world to see, their first
<v Speaker 2>chance to play live as a group, and he bombs
<v Speaker 2>it with the big mfor I.
<v Speaker 1>Saw a lot of custoords whenever I watch I remember that.
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, Warner Brothers, so it's kind of like a supergroup.
<v Speaker 2>You've got a very successful solo artist. You've got the
<v Speaker 2>three parts left over after Dave left.
<v Speaker 3>Right, are we still going to be van Halen?
<v Speaker 1>Right?
<v Speaker 2>Warner Brothers actually came to him and said, would you
<v Speaker 2>consider changing your name to van Hagar? Which I think
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. I thought that was always just kind of
<v Speaker 2>a slang term.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like a joke or the first time I
<v Speaker 1>heard it was on the movie Joe Dirt.
<v Speaker 3>No, sir, man, I don't like that crap.
<v Speaker 1>I'm a rocker dude, through and through. Here's my favorite band,
<v Speaker 1>ac DC van Halen, not Van Hagar.
<v Speaker 2>And Sammy's the one who says, no way, not doing
<v Speaker 2>it right. So anyway, Sammy officially joins the band in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 1>And we will take that up on our next episode,
<v Speaker 1>Part three of the Van Halen versus Van Hagar.
<v Speaker 2>Discussion right next week, Van Hagar.
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