Lord of the Flies: The BBC Brings Art to Netflix | SVU

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Speaker 2: The team behind last Year's Adolescence is taking us back to freshman year English. It's a new adaptation of Lord of the Flies playing exclusively on Netflix. I'm that singer and I'm Jordan Hoffman.

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Speaker 3: With more movies, more series, more stuff going straight to streaming than ever before, it felt like the right time for a podcast that keeps track of it all. And that podcast is Film Spotting Streaming Video Unit. And this week we're going to talk about the BBC's adaptation of Lord of the Flies, which is available on Netflix. Plus we're gonna talk about this week's new tot streaming titles. Plus we're gonna talk about some deep cut streaming recommendations. Plus we're gonna have a new game and this time this is exciting. Sam producer. Sam is the dungeon master of the game and I get to go head to head against Matt Singer for the first time.

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Speaker 4: We all play my word. I know I were trying to find out exactly where we are what.

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Speaker 2: Munson's Who's coming with me? When you think about the Netlands can't care for themselves? John?

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Speaker 5: Who are you anyway?

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Speaker 2: William Golding's Lord of the Flies, which I always want to call Lord of the Rings. So let's all listen closely and see if I make that mistake during this conversation. At least once was first published in nineteen fifty four, follows a group of young British children who's plane crashes on a deserted island. All of the adults perish and the crash, so the kids are left to fend for themselves and they try try to create their own society while they rescue and spoiler alert, it doesn't go so great. Now. Over the years, Lord of the Flies not Lord of the Rings.

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Speaker 3: They're very different, man, They could not be more different. Properties the one is.

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Speaker 2: But not in terms of titles. Are very similar titles. You raise a good point, how many letters F L I, E, S, R I F S. They're very similar. They are even both have s's and eyes. It's like three letters.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, over the years, Lord of the Flies has become one of those really definitive works of literature that almost every child has to read as they work their way through school. I certainly did, Jordan. Did you read Lord of the Flies in school? Somewhere along the way.

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Speaker 3: I did not read it. But you know, when I read it for the first time, when yesterday you did not, I swear to you, I did.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you take them so seriously. I'm impressed. Good well, I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't read it.

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Speaker 2: Just you had to be there for the Internet, and you figured while you were there you would maybe take something out of the library, something like that I have.

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Speaker 3: I know you're still doing your your introduction, but I'm going to introduce you, interrupt you in the time. This time last week, I had not read Lord of the Flies, nor had I seen what I believe you were building up to the nineteen sixty three version. Nor had I seen the nineteen ninety version, nor had I seen the new BBC adaptation which is now on Netflix. In between last week and this week, I have seen all three and read the book.

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Speaker 2: Randing ovation. They can't see that I'm not standing, So I'm going to say it's a standing ovation as Jordan Hoffman Hoffman, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: As you know, I am a freelancer, so I work a lot of different jobs. I did what's called using every part of the buffalo. I'm not just trouble dip here. I'm troubled how many dips I'm doing some dips. So I said, for the sake of my bottom line here, I'm going to become a Lord of the Flies expert, and I'm writing a fairly lengthy piece for another outlet which is not as und fighting as Film Spotting SVU.

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Speaker 2: We're going to rely on your knowledge here then during during our review. But let me let me finish.

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Speaker 3: Golding knowledge coming out of every orifice over here. I got so much golding. It's all gold, for God said, it's all gold.

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Speaker 2: Now in the grotesque parlance of modern Hollywood, because everyone but Jordan reads this book in school. Apparently it is ip. It is intellectual property, valuable for its name recognition, regardless of the materials relevance to modern life. And as Jordan mentioned when he so rudely interrupted me, there have been two films titled Lord of the Flies, the nineteen sixty three version the nineteen ninety version, And as I was doing research, I saw, Now, I don't know if you watched this, Jordan, there was a few years ago an all female riff on the concept of Lord of the Flies called Lady World. No Lady, I thought you were going to say Yellowjackets, because well, obviously Yellow Jacks is very similar and perhaps inspired in some way. But no Lady World, which features Odessa, a Zion and Hawk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mentioned, we talked about it.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned, That's what I'm saying. Two weeks in a row, can.

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Speaker 3: What's any Lady Hawk. What does this thing called lady World? Lady Hawk is a very different wrecker, how or what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Now? There has not there has not been a TV version before of Lord of the Flies, though perhaps because the story is relatively self contained and it does kind of lend itself to the typical structure of a narrative feature. This television mini series we are going to discuss now is structured into four parts, each focused on one of the central characters, the intelligent but kind of awkward Piggy, the aggressive and insecure Jack, the troubled and sad Simon, and the of the group at points, not all the time, Ralph, thank you. And it was okay. And it was adapted by one of the foremost writers of young adult fiction in recent years, Jack Thorne, who has written several of the and Nola Holmes films. He wrote a TV version of his Dark Materials. He wrote or co wrote the stage play of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, and as we mentioned at the top of the show, he also did Adolescence. Now, so far, Jordan, on the new SVU, we've only in our main segment, we've only really reviewed movies and I mean, we're movie critics or movie guys, but we watch a lot of TV, and we know our listeners watch a lot of TV too.

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Speaker 3: The lines are blurring, the lines, they.

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Speaker 2: Are blurring more all the time. That is true, and I think maybe that's a good place to start our conversation. So I want to know what did you think of that four part structure with each episode focused on a different character. And do you think that this adaptation is enhanced by being a mini series, a TV show in quotes, rather than if they had used the same cast and made a movie.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, that's there's a very good series of question. I really like this adaptation, and it's it's it's great in how closely it sticks to the book and the deviations it makes alsort are interesting. But your specific question is how does it exploit the TV you know medium me and and it does it really well by having each each episode be Simon, you know, a Piggy whomever. But this, this series is and I and this is a term that I dislike, but I'll use it anyhow, is very cinematic. Now, what the hell does cinematic mean? Cinematic means to me anyhow? A TV show is usually plot, plot, plot. You know, you sit down and watch an episode of Taxi and it's the you know, they're making jokes and they're moving the plot along, and then it's over and you get to your next show. And a lot of the television that's very popular nowadays on Netflix, another series is very plot heavy, and it's not you know, it doesn't hit, doesn't pump the brakes a little bit to focus on texture, tone, visual aspect, the audio mix, you know, music, that sort of thing, and this series really does. I mean quite frankly, it's four hours long. Each episode is like fifty eight minutes or whatever. And if you want it to be a ruthless executive, you can make each episode a lot shorter by making it less cool, by making it less good, by sticking to the plot instead of having shots of the weird looking trees and you know, the kid wandering around communing with the spirit of the dead boarhead and whatnot. But to me, that's what made it really cool. On the use of the music, which I want to get into all that twentieth century British music, and so I really like that. There was a point in which I said to myself. This could have been a movie. It's four hours long, and that's a tough sit. But I could have seen this. You know, can film festivals happening right now? You and I have both been over the years. I could see this being one of those. Every now and then they programmed something that's four hours long. Oh my god, a four hour movie. This could have been that. It was good enough, and it has the tone and it does, you know, even though it is four chapters devoted to an individual cast member, it basically flows from beginning to end. There are occasional flashbacks, but not too many. It kind of has this cake and eats it too. It takes advantage of the four episodes and highlighting a specific character. But it really does feel like you know, they always say, oh, it's really just an eight episode movie, o haha, and that's sort of been a cliche that these television producers say, But in this case, it really doesn't feel like a four hour movie. It may.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that I would have minded if it was a three hour fright. I did think it is. I do think that it While yes, all the things you're describing are are worthy, and it is a it's a well shot show. I almost called it a film, And I see what you're saying about it being cinematic. I see those qualities in it. It it it is a it is a little leisurely, and look, it's about a bunch of people who are stuck on an island with nothing to do and nowhere to go. Like leisurely can in some ways in this that can enhance the feeling of isolation and desperation and all of those things can you could in some ways they work in the favor of the story. And I did think that the structure of focusing on one kid at a time, I thought was effective. And I really think the strongest thing about this whole series is the acting. These children, some of them are not professionals, are really outstanding. And this is a show that's again four hours long, that has almost no adults on screen. There are a handful of flashbacks and a couple of them have a couple of adults who have a couple of lines, But this whole show is carried by children, and they are so young, and like, when the show starts, I'm going, oh my god, some of these kids are much younger than my children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the six year olds are I mean, they look sick, look really really young.

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Speaker 2: You know, they look so young, and and so they you know, they didn't. It's not like what you're watching nine o two one oh, and there's twenty six year olds who are going like, I'm I'm a freshman in high school and look at you know, pay no attention to my my five o'clock shadow there. These are these are kids. They look like kids, and whether it's the original source material or it's the adaptation, they really allow them to be kids in a way that I found very convincing and effective. Could I have done with maybe like ten minutes less in each episode, probably, sure, I think they could have trimmed a little bit of fat here, But I do think it is overall it is a pretty successful exercise. And I do think that the television aspect works, if only in the sense that I did like the structure that they gave it of each Even though it's a linear story focusing on one kid out a time, I think it does yield some interesting effects that we can talk about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also it makes it so if it were four hour movie, you would have to watch it all in one shot, and this gives you a good place to stop. I'm getting it's getting kind of late. Let's pick it up tomorrow's let's end on episode. Watch two episodes tonight and two episodes tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Although do we now that is absolutely true? But do we really think that most people who are watching this on Netflix at home if it was a movie, do you really think people would go, oh, I can't stop this just because it's a movie. I think people stop it all the time. There they go, I gotta go to the bath or they or they just leave the room. You know, I got to go to the bathroom, and they just let it run.

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Speaker 3: Who knows what people do with their Netflix who it's the scary people are watching on the telephone, sitting on the toilet, for god's sakes. It's it's it's awful what goes on behind closed doors. But you know, I'd like to give people to benefit of the doubt and say that they're treating it, treating what respect?

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Speaker 2: That was murder?

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Speaker 4: You stop it?

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Speaker 2: What good do you're doing talking like that? It was dark, there was that bloody dunk, there was stuns. You're not in rhyme. We were scared. It wasn't.

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Speaker 3: What you said, and so you you read the book, but you were I read the book.

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Speaker 2: I have I don't think I have ever seen pretty bad earlier adaptations. Well that was gonna be my question to you is how does this rate with those other.

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Speaker 3: Sixty three version was also very radical for its time. The director was Peter Brook and he might be thinking, has he made other movies? The answer is yes, but that's kind of the only really successful movie made. He was a theater director primarily, and he was not just any theater director. He was a radical experimental theater director British, but you know, worked all over the globe. He would have these he would have that like these events in like the desert in Persia and stuff like that. He was a weird dude and he was very famous. In the late sixties. He did a version of Oh I Forget what Shakespeare played, Let's say King Lear or The Tempest or something where it was all like in a white cube and the actors would like suspend above the audience and they were on stilts and hanging down on like nineteen sixty six, or Efferent like Helen Mirra out Man very far. Helen Mirren was part of his company, was a whole big thing. Interesting guy Peter Brook he only died fairly recently, at the age of ninety seven. I happen to know all these facts about him because wrote his obituary.

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Speaker 2: I gotta he.

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Speaker 3: Happened to die on my watch. So I'm like, who the hell is this guy? He made Lord of the Rings? What else did he do? That's how I learned.

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Speaker 2: You said it, Oh, Lord of Flood, you said it. I said to say it, You said it. Put it in my brain.

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Speaker 3: It's oh my god. So anyway, the thing that Peter Brooke did, which I think this version does well is the kid acting is phenomenal. They had no script on the sixty three version. They had an outline and they let the kids do it. And it's improv I mean, they don't mumble. They speak like little British boys, like oh, you know, like they do in this. You know, I shann speaking us. I've got the conch.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, but it's black and white. You have some pool it's it's black and white and it's ninety three minutes and it is what it is. It doesn't go into as much depth. This series goes into a lot of depth. So much so that there's stuff that isn't in the book. Now you read it when you were kids, you don't remember. But like all those flashback scenes are not in the not in the book, right that I that I knew. I knew that those were additions, and I think changing giving a spoiler zone, we're in the spoiler zone. Now we're in.

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Speaker 2: I think it's okay to again. It's one of the most famous works of literature of the twentieth century.

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Speaker 3: A little bit, well, I'm going to give away the story. What happens in the in the show is they change the way Piggy gets killed. First of all, they let you find out that Piggy has a real name, and he dies rather slowly and painfully, And there's more of a connection with Ralph theory about these scenes.

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Speaker 2: Those scenes were very hard to Yeah, the performances are great, and it's the whole thing is terrible. I mean the whole I mean the whole story. This is not a happy Lord of the Flies is not happy.

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Speaker 3: It's very dark. It's one of the bleakest points of literature. And giving Piggy a name is sort of a big deal. Like the fact that they humanized him and I believe, you know, I was doing a little research the the the producer of the show and the writer, the guy who did Adolescences. His name is Thorn. Is it Jack Jack Jack Thorne, Jack Thorne and Jack Thorne is I didn't know this. He he has a disability of some kind and he is a disability advocate in Britain and in the world, and he's made a big, big, you know, thing of that in his career. And you know, the Piggy character is has always been like, oh, he's smart, but you know, he's mocked because he's asthmatic. He's you know, has very very deeply near sighted. He's the outsider. And I think even though he when when you read it, he is sort of the he is one of the heroes. I mean, Ralph was sort of the real hero, but you would just you sympathize for him. But there is a mocking edge to Piggy even in the book. And I think Thorn changed that and wanted to give Piggy more, you know, more more kudos and in fact gave him a name, because that's things he never wanted to be called Piggy. So I think that that was sort of an interesting spin was to make that change the other interesting spin and this is something that that has been written. I saw that there was an article about this in The Guardian, which I find interesting is and you know, this sort of the serious topic and usually we're joking around on the show, but a serious topic. They made the character of Ralph biracial in the show. Now the show is the nineteen ninety film is set in nineteen ninety. I don't know if you knew that.

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Speaker 2: I did not know that.

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Speaker 3: It barely it changes anything because you're on an island cut off from society. It doesn't matter if it nineteen ninety or nineteen fifty three when the book was written, but it is nineteen eighty. It's also American. They're American kids. In the nineteen ninety versions, balf Is Aregetty young Balthazar, Getty is Jack. So anyhow, in this it's meant to be set. I don't think it's meant to be set now because they don't mention cell phones or computers or anything. So I think it's meant to be set in the fifties. And they made Ralph the hero biracial, and of course I think it is a good thing. To have a race blind casting and to have more diversity in big film projects in the US and Hollywood and Britain. But I almost wanted to wonder if it does this, if it does a disservice to this story, because this is a story about wealthy white British kids in public schools.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, would would and like the And it's funny that Jack Thorne also wrote the Harry Potter play because it's such a dichotomy between you know what, the two most famous things about British public schools are Harry Potter, which is also like, oh my god, it's it's such a dream, and then Lord of no, it's the hell on earth with these kids. I think it almost.

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Speaker 3: Sort of it's almost disrespectful to black people of the fifties in Britain to try and pretend that the racism didn't exist, because they make no mention of Ralph being by Rachel and the stigma. They stigmatize Piggy very quickly, and they're cruel kids that would have used that as something against Ralph. You know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, so I see exactly what you're saying, But couldn't you also see or argue that perhaps in the let's say, the rivalry between Jack and Ralph, that perhaps, although not spoken, that perhaps his biracial nature is perhaps some element of why Jack doesn't respect him, and you know, doesn't he finds him to be extra, He finds himself more caught up in in beating him, investing him, proving that he's better than him. Couldn't. That's how I see exactly what you're saying. But that was how I kind of read that choice.

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Speaker 3: That is the rationalization. I'm sure when when someone of the BBC said to Jack thorns and g we can't make Ralph by Rachel because because he's not in the book, and you know, you're adding an element that didn't exist, what you said is a perfect rationalization, and that does make sense. And of course, you know when other things when they change, like you know, the most famous example Hamilton, right, I mean, like some some arch conservatives got all up in arms, well, Alexander Hamilton someone he can't he doesn't sing and dance and rap either, and other examples people got all worked up about. Oh that was that David Copperfield thing with Dev Patel. But that's like a it's a fantasy, also a Nola Holmes has has a lot of diversity that would not have existed back when those stories were told. But those films, which I like, Theola Holmes films, I think they're very cute, They're very fantasy. So, like you're saying, well, it's like suspension disbelief is fine for this one, which is, in my opinion, it's supposed to be a condemnation of a certain type of lifestyle, of a certain type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Itneecaps it a little bit by pretending that there wouldn't that these boys would not have been raised, right, I mean, I think, I think I I I think I already explained sort of how I felt like you got to work into it. Yeah, but I can understand what you're saying as well. The thing that I really liked about, not necessarily the casting, but the structure with that sort of four episodes each focused on a different kid, was when the episode would shift from let's say, from Piggy to Jack. You know, the Piggy episode. As you said, they really do a wonderful job of, you know, making this. You know, he's such a tragic figure and he's so sweet and again wonderfully cast with this child just wonderful. You just fall in love with this kid, you feel terrible for him, and then the focus switches to Jack, who is the villain. You know, he's the villains Draco Malfoy. He is literally going to be speaking of I know when you were talking about Harry Potter. He's been cast as Draco Malfoy in the upcoming Harry Potter TV show, and there could not be more perfect casting for that. I'm sure he's gonna be very good. He already I mean, he's I mean, this could have been his audition.

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Speaker 3: For that part pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But what I liked was when we shift now. Yes, of course there are these flashbacks that we've mentioned that we see a little bit of the character's past. He's humanized to some extent. But I also just like that when we're seeing the world through this character's eyes, even though he's a jerk, when Piggy talks in that episode, he's much more annoying and they give him let you know, like when you're not seeing things from his perspective, he is just kind of the guy who's saying like, well, I have the con I want to do this, and everyone needs to listen and you're just like, just shut up me. And and I think that the way that the show uses that structure to really put us into the mind of each character at a different point, I thought was very well done and very effective. And so you have characters who are mysterious in the beginning and they reveal themselves over time. I thought that worked really well. And the only the other thing that I just wanted to mention that we haven't really talked about yet. We mentioned that it looks really good, but I was curious what you felt about, like, especially in the Simon episode. Yeah, the sort of the color palettes of the whole show kind of changes without explanation. The trees are bleeding, man, the trees are on fire. Man. I like them. Peter Brook would have been, he would have been like far out man. The trees are It's like he's in hell. Man. The trees are red. So like, you know, the very the first couple of episodes, very naturalistic. They're on this deserted island, there are trees, they look lush, it's verdant, it's beautiful. And then the Simon episode, suddenly the island looks a lot more mysterious, a lot more ominous. A lot of the foliage is almost it. It's just now inexplicably red red leaves. Everything is red and yellows and shades of earth tones. Very interesting, and they don't comment upon it. They don't make a big thing out of it. But tries to comment. He tries to explain it to the others, and he can't get his words out because he's too Simon is my favorite character, I think, and it took me a while to get there, and I think that episode is just so cool.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff in this version, in the new version that is totally new. Simon's relationship to Jack. They're both in the choir together, so they knew each other beforehand. It's very ambiguous that like where these kids come from, that they all come from the same school or whatever. Nobody knows. And that goes back to the book. The original version of that Golden wrote there's a first chapter that explains everything, and his editor took it out, like there's a chapter of them getting on the plane and the plane crashing. All that's gone. So yes, for seventy five years people have been asking these questions about the kids. But the thing about the Simon episode is that's new is the stuff about his diary and he kind of has a crush you could say onow. You know, I think that's it. There's I think it's not it's not subtle. I think that's exactly what's going on. He's got a crush on him, or he certainly looks up to him. Then he starts going a little nuts, because they could all go nuts they're alone on this island. But he starts communing with with the with the beast or the dead pig head and the Lord of the flies itself, and then and then he gets murdered, and it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Wild oiler alert spoiler.

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Speaker 3: But yes, it does get nuts visually, and I loved it. The Throughout the series, there's a great many shots of nature. There's you know, caterpillars and hermit crabs and pikes. You lots of pigs. That's in the sixty three version two not as much. And it's funny because whenever there are shots of nature, people are like, oh, it's so influenced by Terrence Malick. And that's such a that's such a boneheaded thing to say, because just Terrence Malick does not own shots of nature. You know, there were shot nature before him, they'll be shot of nature after him. But it was funny. I was thinking to myself, Oh, some people are going to think this is very inspired by Malick. And then the very very very end of the series, the last three minutes uses the same sound cue from Tree of Life. The I think it's called the Funeral, the Funeral fanfair or whatever. So I'm like, okay, okay, maybe it's not so stupid, it's not fair.

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Speaker 2: This is me Okay.

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Speaker 3: That is definitely in there by design because it's it was not a famous piece of music before it was using Tree of Life, and so that you know Malick owns that piece that's on on loan by the new Lord of the Rings. I did love the other musical choices. It's all the music of the time. It's all Rafe, Vaughan Williams and and other twentieth century Benjamin Britain and a handful.

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Speaker 2: Of othery We mentioned. The boys are in a choir, and there's a lot of choir music that's I think to a very ominous effect, which I liked quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: A lot of curate stuff, pretty groovy.

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Speaker 2: It sets some it sets a mood that sets the mood and they I gotta say, though, I was wondering where you know, by the end, by the really the third episode, these kids, I mean they look like like they they've completely made they have all this makeup on.

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Speaker 3: Well, they found that that's new, that's new to that that's not in the book either. They find those old uh luggage luggage with the luggage from the plane for the rest, and they find women's clothing and they find makeup. So that's how they that's explained, you know in the book. They find they do paint their faces. They find some chalk and they kill bugs to get the red dye, and they do to make themselves look you know, like savages as how they described it in the book. Uh and and and but with this there's like shots of them wearing like skirts and they look like divas for a few minutes. It's it's pretty wild. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: They really, I mean, it does seem at times the I understand that they find makeup and the wreckage, but there were times where it's so elegantly and like beautifully put on. It's like is there was there like a makeup artist, just like was there one grown up who survived who was very good at putting on makeup, because that was the one thing that kind of took me out of the The naturalism of this story, I suppose, is how like beautifully they are, like artfully, they are made up in ways that are they seem a little beyond Again, these are such little kids. They are incredibly good at putting on this terrifying but beautiful makeup.

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Speaker 3: Well, they teach themselves pretty quickly how to make spears and how to slaughter a log, and that's true, how to how to how to kill one another. So it is interesting that you know a lot of you know, a lot of the Netflix original stuff I feel is not is certainly very watchable, is a reason it's such a popular streaming service. But a lot of it isn't that elegant. And this one really is and and but it isn't a Netflix original. It's a BBC production that they acquired for the North North American. No nobody in Britain or elsewhere. I don't know about elsewhere in Europe, but certainly nowhere in Britain is watching this on Netflix. They're watching on their BBC iPlayer as it's called.

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Speaker 2: So it's not really and do we assume that they only acquired it because of adolescence. Is that a fair assumption.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they had a pre existing deal maybe or just I don't know sure.

00:32:43
Speaker 2: What we would have to research, but that was sort of that's my assumption because of what you're saying this this is a very classy, but not just classy, like very you know, quiet hushed. You know, there's long stretches where there's these young men walking through the tall grass, you know, like hunting pigs and things.

00:33:02
Speaker 3: You know.

00:33:02
Speaker 2: It's not what we've talked about on previous episodes of this podcast about Netflix, where they're you know, allegedly, according to Matt Damon, executives are killing filmmakers. We need loud explosions, we need people explaining things constantly, We need excitement in the first five minutes. This show has no use for any of those notes. So that's why I'm wondering if if, if that's the reason is because it's Jack Thorne and he had Adolessa. No, he's so huge for them, I'm not sure, but they're not giving my assumption.

00:33:32
Speaker 3: No, it's a BBC production, this is an acquisition for Netflix, and you're absolutely right. They give no explanation about a lot of things. Furthermore, if you're not really paying attention, that the the whole bit with the parachutist, and it's the same in the book. It's like if you if you zone out for the two sentences that explains how the parachutist got there, you're just gonna think, oh, there's a parachutist there and not know where it is. And frankly, Matt Damon's version of Netflix would have made it clear, oh, that was not the beast, that was the parishes. Like, if you're not on it, it's like a this is a little bit of a you need to engage your brain.

00:34:05
Speaker 2: It's not.

00:34:05
Speaker 3: This is not per second screen watching. You're not flipping your Instagram, texting your friend. You actually have to watch this, which is why I say it feels more more like a movie than a TV show. I mean, it really does feel quite good. I mean, I I give it. I really did enjoy it, and I and the issue I pointed out earlier with the casting, it didn't bother me, but I just thought it was interesting. And I am kind of curious how other people feel, because I do feel that it is I don't know, this is an interesting topic to think about. How do you how do you approach these issues of films and shows that are set in the past. You want to cast them, especially if it's pointed to have a younger audience. Perhaps potentially you want to have a diverse cast. But when does your desire for diversity in today, in twenty twenty six, when is an undercut being honest about the past. And I don't know the answer. That question is a very thorny issue, a jack thorny issue.

00:35:02
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say. If you was gonna, I would I could have. If I could have bet my entire bank account on you making a thorn thorny pun, I would be rich. I would be rich right now, and I wouldn't have to talk to you about movies anymore. But nonetheless we persist, we shall move forth.

00:35:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, should we talk about recommendations loosely associated with this film? In other words, the next chapter in this episode of the podcast.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: Let's do that. But first let's just remind people, if they haven't seen it, we have been discussing the Lord of the Flies, not Lord of the Rings. The only person who said it wrong on this entire thing.

00:35:40
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny?

00:35:40
Speaker 2: It was your filat or I was worried about it. Lord of the Flies and the entire series, all four episodes, is currently streaming on Netflix.

00:35:51
Speaker 4: If he stunned out of the way, he probably hurt the next thing, and the next thing's me.

00:36:03
Speaker 2: That was our review of the new TV version of Lord of the Flies Lord of the Flies, not Lord of the Rings and Flies. But what if you already watched Lord of the Flies. What if you can't relate to Lord of the Flies because the notion of being stranded on a deserted island away from other peace people and social media sounds like the greatest possible vacation imaginable, rather than a grim allegory about man's inhumanity to man. Nothing. Okay, what if you were annoyed that Lord of the Flies was not actually about the pitcher who leads Major League Baseball in flyball outs San Francisco Giants pitcher Robbie Ray.

00:36:40
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a good one.

00:36:42
Speaker 2: Okay, that I got ok I got something new for all of you and the rest of our listeners.

00:36:47
Speaker 6: We present recag Yeah, stop flexer Okay.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: It's our weekly recommendations inspired by our main review, plus we give some personalized recommendations to you, the s FU listeners who write into our email address feedback at film spottingsvu dot com. Jordan, you said you wanted me to go first this time.

00:37:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm curious to know I'm gonna I have no idea what your rex is going to be for this.

00:37:23
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first, I did want to give a brief shout out to a movie that we mentioned on the show briefly last week, which would make I think a fantastic double feature with Lord of the Flies. Maybe maybe not this one, just because I know what you're gonna say. What am I gonna say? You're gonna say? The Sam Raimi film send help because we mentioned it. Correct, That's correct, we mentioned it last week. It's newly on Hulu, and that one is about a very similar premise to Lord of the Flies. This obnoxious NEPO baby tech bro. He gets stuck on an island after a plane crash with his very efficient but kind of mousey assistant or underling at his company, Dylan O'Brien and Rachel McAdams. And then he's used to being in charge, but now the tables have turned and she's happens to be an obsessive survivor fan, and so she knows how to survive on this island, and he's hopeless and he's kind of injured from the crash. You know what, you think you're so smart? Well, guess who you're talking to, Cee, you of a next gen five hundred company. Baby, that's right.

00:38:32
Speaker 4: Company, your father Bill, God rest his soul.

00:38:38
Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh wow, you know what? You're so done? Huh yeah, you're so fired? Oh am I yeah, oh no. It treads a lot of the same thematic territory as Lord of the Flies, and it has a lot of violence, but it's very funny, in that classic dark comedy Raymie style. So it's wonderful. But I have a feeling a lot of people listening probably have already seen it, or they're planning to see it without me telling that it's not. But it is on Hulus. I just wanted to mention it.

00:39:12
Speaker 3: Now.

00:39:14
Speaker 2: If you do like the premise of Lord of the Flies being stranded somewhere, but you don't necessarily want your nerves jangled by power struggles by child murder, you may want to watch Swiss Family. Robinson from nineteen sixty, directed by Ken Anakin, produced by Walt Disney Pictures. It is streaming on Disney Plus. That is where I watched it this weekend the first time. The setup based on another classic novel, very similar to Lord of the Flies. You have a family traveling to a new home in Papua New Guinea in the eighteen hundreds. The ship is attacked by pirates and is then wrecked off the coast of this deserted island. You have the father played by John Mills, the mother played by Doroth McGuire. They have their three sons, James MacArthur, Tommy Kirk from Catalina Caper and Kevin Corkorans. There's a whole menagerie of animals. They have two enormous Great Danes as pets, and they build a home on this island. And I mean that literally. This stuffy I guess Swish Swiss, but he talks with the British accent. Middle aged dad and his rambunctious sons make the coolest treehouse in the history of mankind. It has running water in the sink, it has skylights in the bedroom. It is absolutely ridiculous. It's like Gilligan's island level of impossible technology made out of bamboo and coconuts. Yea. And instead of the child nightmare that is Lord of the Flies. You know, I guess there's an adult nightmare aspect of it too, but just the idea of you're a kid, you're away from your parents, you're alone, there's no one to help you, You're surrounded by bullies. Instead of that, you get the child's fantasy of what if I was on the coolest adventure with my family. I got to hang out with these wild animals. I have a private swimming hole with ropes to swing into the pool. There's even like a water slide for some reason.

00:41:33
Speaker 1: Whow the world is full of nice, ordinary little people holding in nice, ordinary.

00:41:42
Speaker 5: Little houses on the ground.

00:41:45
Speaker 2: But didn't you ever dream of having a house up in a tree top. It is a very, very silly film, and it only gets sillier when you watch it twelve hours after you finished watching Lord of the Flies. Where everything is so fraud survival is so intense here this family they create a refrigerator in the jungle in eighteen the eighteen hundreds. But I have to say I was very charmed by a lot of this movie. The set is magnificent, this treehouse. They really built this treehouse and it was such a cool set. Disney being no dummy, they turned it into a theme part theme park attraction, which still exists six years later. At most Disney theme parks, there is still a Swiss family Robinson Treehouse, even though no child has seen this movie in twenty five years.

00:42:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I know it. I mean, I know, I've been to Disney World in Florida, and I do know that a ride or attraction, whatever're gonna call it. I don't know if I've ever seen the film. I may have seen clips of it.

00:42:50
Speaker 2: I don't think I had ever watched it. I had zero memory of it. But I loved the treehouse as a kid when I would go to Disney, I always liked walking through the treehouse. Yeah, and so I watched the movie, and as movies go, it's a hell of a treehouse. It does have beautiful wide screen photography. They shot this on this island. I think they shot it in Tobago. I think looks like a paradise, you know, and wide screen photography technicolor beautiful.

00:43:21
Speaker 3: They didn't just shoot that in southern California.

00:43:23
Speaker 2: And no, no, they did not. They found like an island in the Caribbean. It's spent like six months there shooting it. Now, it does have some of the most grotesque stereotypes. Want to point this pirate characters. They make Johnny Depp's performance in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise look like a model of restraint and sensitivity. I must say this, but it is a fascinating thing to watch in comparison to Lord of the Flies, not just because they're so different. They were released within five years, six years of each other. The novel is fifty four, this movie is nineteen sixty, and I think it's such an interesting window into these competing ideas. You know, this kind of mid twentieth century fantasy of self reliance, of ingenuity. We're going to tame nature, We're going to have this grand and glorious adventure. Everything's gonna work out. And it's something that in some Lord of the Flies even though it was written before this movie. Obviously the Swiss families were Robinson book was written many many years before. But the but the movie, you know, it almost feels like Lord of the Flies is almost like trying to debunk the very like friends.

00:44:37
Speaker 3: It very much is no when Golding wrote it, he he he was. There was a book that is if you were a British kid in the fifties. It was called Coral Island, I think the Coral Island or Coral Reef Island or something. And you know, Golding was he was he taught in a British school and he was reading this Coral Reef Island, which was exactly like Swiss family Robinson like about or more like Treasure Island, or like these boys go are shipwrecked and they shipwreck boys adventure. Yeah, and it all works out great and they all and then he was like, look, I'm a teacher and I know what these kids are like their moms. They're animals. And he said to his wife, I want to write a book about what boys are really like. As you said, you should do it. He also was a World War Two vet and he was there at D Day and he witnessed first hand brutality of mankind and how horrible you know it was. If you if you think going on Facebook today is rough, imagine what being a D Day was like. It was really rough. So you know, he he really saw some some horrible ship, so that those two elements are what inspired him getting back to his family. Robinson the way I know it, Like I said, Bear, I think I may have seen clips of it over the years, But of course I know Lost in Space, and.

00:45:53
Speaker 2: I knew you were going to have to address this at some point.

00:45:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lost in Space is is? Is there? The Robinson's and I love Lost in Space. It's it's a hoot and a half. I think it's a great, great show. It gets sillier as as it moves on, and uh, you know that's so any excuse. Maybe it's funny that I've never actually gone back and watched the original film, so so you.

00:46:16
Speaker 2: Have inspired if you Yeah, if you want, you could check it out again. If if I was going to recommend one as a purely you know, like as a quality film, I would probably say start with Send Help. That's a better movie. But I do think this is a very interesting thing to watch in context with Lord of the Flies, because they do seem to be they seem to be speaking to one another in a very very interesting way. So Swiss Family, Robinson, there's actually another version of the book, an RKO black and white Swiss Family Robinson is also streaming on Disney Plus. I did not watch that one. Oh you don't know that it has a treehouse or not. I wanted the Disney one for the treehouse, because that's the thing that had had the appeal for me. I really that's my recommendation. Swiss Family Robinson on Disney Plus.

00:47:03
Speaker 3: I really should watch this because just the other day, my wife and I were at a thrift store here locally and there was this very handsome, like hard cover book called Treehouses of the World, and I picked it up and I'm thumbing through and like, these treehouses are incredible, and I'm like, I think I just became a treehouse guy right now. And I bought the book. Was the dollar, you know, it was a good cause was going to this this uh you know, local thrift shop.

00:47:31
Speaker 2: So this is going to be going to make it. Are you going to make a treehouse?

00:47:36
Speaker 3: I don't. I guess there is maybe I should there.

00:47:39
Speaker 2: Maybe this could be like your we bought a zoom moment, you could make we bilt a treehouse. I don't think I've ever stepped other than the Disney tree You've never been I don't think I've ever been in a real treehouse in my life.

00:47:52
Speaker 3: I have, you know, but like a very rudimentary I think when I had a friend growing up and they.

00:47:56
Speaker 2: Have box like the cube, the window, the whole.

00:48:00
Speaker 3: This is a slab of wood.

00:48:02
Speaker 2: It was just a sable wood.

00:48:03
Speaker 3: You you just sat. There was a tree house. It was a tree slab, but it was a place to sit in the tree. But it was still fun.

00:48:12
Speaker 2: You know. No, no, hold on, you can't. I gotta hear more about.

00:48:14
Speaker 3: The tree you do it?

00:48:16
Speaker 2: I don't know.

00:48:17
Speaker 3: You tell curse words, you know? You you you behave like like big and in Ralph and the story, you revert to your primordial yourself. All right, you recommend, yeah, because we got to get going. It's getting late. The first one I've got. I also sort of have a double shot, but I'm gonna stick mainly with the more recent one. Okay, quite the contrary. I tried to find something even darker than Lord of the Flies. You went and reverse them.

00:48:45
Speaker 2: I needed to pick me up after it.

00:48:47
Speaker 3: So My Descent into Pure Hell is one of the most disturbing films I've ever seen. Not a masterpiece, but it's stuck with me, and it is a recent film. Twenty twenty three Las So my Spanish is terrible, not I gonna try to say it in Spanish. The Society of the Snow. Now, have you seen the Boy? Have you seen it? Have you seen it?

00:49:12
Speaker 2: I mean I have not watched it. No, but I know what it is. That's why I haven't watched it.

00:49:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, Society of the Snow, which is on Netflix. It's a j A Bayona, Yes, I think.

00:49:24
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:49:25
Speaker 3: And of course in the nineties it came out as Alive and this which is the Frank Marshall version, which is good in its own way, but it's Hollywood version, although there are some pretty painful moments. But Society the Snow is is hardcore. It is, of course, the very very famous story about the plane crash that happened in the seventies. A group of uh was a rugby team from Uruguay in the Andes Mountains, crashed and they survived X amount of weeks on the top of the mountain. They did not, I shouldn't say they also many of them died on impact, some of them died brutally in painfully days after suffering, and then more died later when there was an avalanche in the most horrible ways, but those that did survive survived by feasting on the carcasses of they're dead friends and Oi's mirror, as they say down in Uruguay. It is.

00:50:30
Speaker 2: It is rough stuff and the movie is just it's pretty.

00:50:34
Speaker 3: It's it's just awful and it's it's true. And I remember I watched it at home on Netflix on my computer to write about and like for days, just haunted by by this story and it's you know, it's pretty famous. I'm sure most people listening have at least of familiarity with it, but the movie is pretty At the time, as I was watching, I was like, Ah, this movie's junk. It's not that great. I'm like, no, if you think about a movie NonStop for four days, it's good, right. I mean, it's making an impact. And what can I say, Man, you haven't seen it, but it's what I what what's interesting about the movie is that there's a lot of it's not just about the survivors, it's about the people who die as well, and they kind of narrate scenes from beyond the grave at times, and it really gets into you know, what actually happened and how they tried to when they did get back to civilization, and that whole story was just crazy. They went in the wrong direction plenty of times that they'd just gone in another direction, they would have found a there was like a lodge with canned food, which if they just literally every time they tried to find help, they went that away, and then they would come back and be like, no luck, We'll try again tomorrow, and they're all just starving and brutalized. And had they gone the other way, there would have been goya beans as far as the eye can see, and it's just oh my god. Anyway, so.

00:52:08
Speaker 2: When they get back to civilization, they don't you know, people the people are like, oh, how did you survive up there?

00:52:14
Speaker 3: And they like, oh, we you know, they didn't say how it happened. It came out later and because they were ashamed, but also they thought that people were gonna condemn them. But it almost made them more I don't want to say heroes, but people were more like more in reverence of what they went through. You know, it's a very it's a fact.

00:52:31
Speaker 6: You know.

00:52:32
Speaker 3: All you can do when you watch like this is you think, well, what would I do? How would I behave in such a situation?

00:52:37
Speaker 2: And you don't know.

00:52:38
Speaker 3: You don't know until you're there. I mean, I don't know that I could do what they did, but you don't know. It's it's it's it's crazy. And there's some very bleak moments.

00:52:49
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the specifics because they'll haunt you forever.

00:52:51
Speaker 3: But so here I go.

00:52:53
Speaker 2: Now there's like the there's like the one guy, the thing that it's just so sad.

00:52:58
Speaker 3: It's like that. There's there are many scenes when when it just gets worse. How could it get worse? Suddenly gets worse. They're in the fuselage of the plane and more snow comes in, and they're all like drowning in snow and they're trying to push up to the top to get air. And so this one guy natural instinct is just to push up to swim through the snow to get air. And what he does he confesses later, and he'll never know if it really was true, but in his head he thinks it happened. To get up, he had to push down with his foot, and what he did was he pushed his wife further down, and so he inadvertently kills his wife, or so he thinks he does. And that's not in the Ethan Hawke version, that's too brutal. But in this Spanish version that's in there him confessing this, and I'm just like, oh my god, this is this is just unbelievable. Who would who would think to put that in a movie? And it's like, well, it's got to be from real life, you know, that's a real story. That's that's the only nobody's that depraved yet. So anyway, that's that's the excitement that's awaiting you for society to snow. If you want to watch it, it's pretty intense, but a lot of people did watch. It was the number one Netflix movie around the world when it came out, even in the US, despite it being this Spanish language film, and it was nominated for an Oscar didn't win for Best Foreign Language Film. And it's it's pretty good. No j A Bayona bon Bayona. He has made Biona. The only good Jurassic World movie was his, the one that's set in the Haunted House. I disagree. I think they're all bad, but you're in your opinion. You don't like the one where they go to the Haunted House. No, that one was called Fallen Kingdom. Jurassic World fall you liked it so much, you don't know the name of it. But in a Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, it's a good it's a good movie. I liked it.

00:54:46
Speaker 2: And they go they do. The first half of the movie is the as in all Jurassic Park and World sequels. Yeah, they go, Hey, remember that hell hole where there were dinosaurs roaming? That was the most dangerous place on Earth. We got to go back there and get something. And they go back and this time, not only is there the dinosaurs, there's a volcano erupting.

00:55:08
Speaker 3: That's the first hour of the movie. Yeah.

00:55:10
Speaker 2: Then the second hour of the movie is like, hey, what if we were in a haunted house instead of a haunted house there were dinosaurs, which is a little bit better.

00:55:17
Speaker 3: So good, I love it.

00:55:18
Speaker 2: But then the end of that movie, then the end of that mo you've really I hate the Jurassic World movies. I'm sorry, you've really, I've only beenvoke, You've invoked them, and now I can't I can't help myself. But then the end of that movie has kind of a fun ending too, which then the next movie completely uh pooped upon and like almost throughout the window, which enraged me further and made me retroactively like that movie even less.

00:55:42
Speaker 3: Wow, all right, I've unlocked I've unleashed the velociraptor within that's it's it's not that, it's.

00:55:48
Speaker 2: Well, I think what society of the snow, even if I haven't seen it.

00:55:51
Speaker 3: So that's a Netflix. I don't know if it was produced for Netflix or what, but it is exclusive to Netflix, and I love it.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: I love I love that we have such like the widest possible range of movies you could possibly have about the exact same thing it is. That's so magnificent. So it's a beautiful range, like you know you have if you want to watch these horrific the worst possible things imaginable that Jordan described or watched the family that made a refrigerator in the jung Galadim coconutsam bamboo. The choice is yours. It's great, all right? Should we get to our personal recommendations? Do you want me to do? You want me to go first?

00:56:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Let's play, because we got to get to the game where.

00:56:34
Speaker 2: I have an email here from a listener named Crystal Crystal Rights. Every year I do a thirty one Days of Halloween horror Watch, which is something a lot of people do. I think maybe we need to do something like that Halloween time. Something to start thinking about Jordan. Anyway, I'm always on the hunt for less mainstream or vintage titles. Some of my favorites include Eyes Without a Face, Pans, Labyrinth, The Substance, and Last Year's Weapons. Any recommendations would be very welcome. Well, those are all excellent choices. The four that Crystal mentioned, and I tried to think of a movie that I thought there's a very slim chance that Crystal is seen. Now there's a chance she does thirty one days of Halloween every single year. Maybe this has come up. But I tried to think of something that was pretty outside the mainstream. And the title I came up with, I don't know if you have seen this, Jordan, I don't know.

00:57:29
Speaker 3: I'm excited.

00:57:30
Speaker 2: It is a film called Halloween, directed by John Carpent No, I'm kidding. The one I came up with is a it's a Polish film, oh, from twenty fifteen, and it's a motion picture called Demon. Have you seen this movie Demon?

00:57:45
Speaker 3: No?

00:57:46
Speaker 2: No, haven't. I'll tell you about it. I saw it at Fantastic Fest in Austin in twenty fifteen, and it had a big impact on me. I mean, it was a movie that, like you, Jordan, this is something that I was thinking about this movie for days and days after I saw it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. And when Crystal sent this email, and I was trying to think of you know, horror movies that you know are a little less famous than John Carpenter's Halloween, this was one of the first ones that came to mind. And part of it, I admit, is that, you know, like when I saw this at Fantastic Fest within in like a week or two of prior to the screening that I attended of this film, the director Marcine Rona I believe his name is, I may have pronounced it in correctly. He had died and apparently committed suicide in his hotel room in Poland while he was touring to promote this movie. Oh my god, if he had been if he was still alive today, this would still be a very effective movie. This kind has a kind of a combination of psychological horror and very dark comedy in a vain, almost Samuraimish that appeals to me, obviously, I'm a sick person, and dark horror comedy is my favorite kind of horror movie. I love a scary movie that has a lot of comedy, and it's just something that I for whatever reason, nothing nothing tickles my fancy more. But you know, in this case, you know the sort of meta story here of what happened to the filmmaker added this X level of poignance to this film, which is about a seemingly happy man who has this terrible breakdown. It happens at a wedding, his wedding in the film. The character the fictional character, the lead character's wedding, and shortly before the ceremony, he happens to like stumble across kind of an unmarked grave with human remains, and he's absolutely haunted by what he has found, first kind of metaphorically and then kind of literally. And over the course of this ceremony and reception, the character's whole behavior changes, and it's not entirely clear to the viewer what is happening. Is he drunk, does he have some sort of medical condition, is he freaking out about getting married.

01:00:11
Speaker 3: Or I'm gonna guess, is it possessed by a demon.

01:00:13
Speaker 2: He could be possessed by a dibick, a demon of Jewish legend to be specific. Yes, And I I think one of the things that really resonated me with me when I saw it was that the film isn't too explicit of saying this is what's happening. It allows you. I also, besides horror comedies, I enjoy movies where, you know, that sort of horror movie is allowed to be a little ambiguous of what is happening and the audience is allowed to think about that. And also I think it's more relatable when it's uncertain, like I, you know, if the answer is, oh, it's definitely demonic possession, I always go, okay, Well, unless I get possessed by a demon, I'm fine. But if it's unclear, if it could be something more personal, more psychological, more emotional, then that is very disturbing to me. And again the movie is dark and disturbing. It is also very funny because the characters of the in laws, this man's new in laws, even as he you know, has a total breakdown in his behavior, breaks down and he's going seemingly going insane. His in laws are doing everything they can to pretend everything is fine. Everything is fine. You know, it's a classic if you've ever been to a family get together where no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room, and they encourage people just enjoy yourselves, have fun. It's okay, everything is fine. That's kind of going on, and it gets both funnier and more disturbing with each new scene.

01:01:48
Speaker 3: And this sounds great. It is correct.

01:01:51
Speaker 2: I wanted to stream this. What service would it be on? Well, it is currently streaming on a service we haven't talked about much yet, but we should called to B. It is on to be where things are free with its ad supported, so you do not need a subscription to be I think it is it to be TV to B dot com, to be TV, I think to be dot TV. That's it, thank you to be dot TV. So that is my pick for Crystal. It's called dmail and she or anyone else listening. Very powerful film. Again, the autobiographical element very sad and I think adds even more kind of haunting qualities to it. But even without that, I think a very very well made, very memorable movie.

01:02:38
Speaker 3: That's a nice recommendation on to be What about yourself?

01:02:42
Speaker 2: You have a different listener and a different recommendation. But I'm just a quick shout out to Crystal because she liked Eyes without a Face. I was going to recommend that you check out Carnival of Souls, which is available for free everywhere. It's one of the great movies that has no owner, so you can watch it on YouTube. It's available everywhere.

01:03:05
Speaker 3: That's another one that as you're watching, going this is not that scary, This is not that scary, then you can't stop thinking about it for a few days. So but anyhow, the email that I got was from a fellow by the name of Jonathan Mets. Let's go Mets. Jonathan Mets wrote to me, wrote to me specifically, this one's for Jordan.

01:03:24
Speaker 2: He wrote, are there. I'm just gonna sit here and fold my arms.

01:03:31
Speaker 3: Because Jonathan lets go Mets knows that I'm a big fan of the band Fish and this is a big time for Fish because they just finished there their big run at the Sphere, which is a very visual thing because they project films at the Sphere and it's all very visual and blah blah blah. So Jonathan Mets your listener, Matt's we have to service our audience. He's asking, are there any good movies about jam bands other than Bittersweet Motel, which is a documentary about Fish made in nineteen made in two thousand about the ninety eight tour, directed by Todd Phillips. Todd Phillips, That's right, Hod Phillips, Midafish movie before he became famous or better. Yet, has any movie figured out how to use this kind of music as a score? This is this is what intrigued me, he writes, And I agree with him. I've long fan size about hearing atmospheric and you fork instrumental fish jams behind a great movie, although I can imagine the challenge of synchronizing this type of music to a narrative film. And then he asked me saying, I mean I was at the Coventry show, which is a whole thing. I'm not going to get into that with the listeners, but to Jonathan, I say my condolences that you were at Coventry. Okay, So this is the thing. There really hasn't been a movie that has deployed one of the great jam artists, be it Fish or any of the others. There really isn't any you'd think there would be there aren't even that many grateful dead songs in movies. I could only off the top of my head think of one. It was the David o' russell film Flirting with Disaster uses trucking to a great funny moment. But there are some ones that come close, you know, certainly in classic film, there are great many movies that used great jazz legends to score their film. I'm most famously, I would say Miles Davis doing Elevator to the Gallows, which is a film by Louis mal from the mid sixties. Great, great, great movie with a great score by Miles Davis. But for the jam world, it hasn't really happened yet. But the ones that come closest I'm thinking, of course, it's not really jam, but it's Neil Young's score to Dead Man, Jim Jarmish film. And according to legend, Jim Jarmis showed Neil Young the movie, and Neil Young watched it and they said, okay, do it again, and then he just took out his guitar and he jammed to the whole film. And that's the score. It's all this electric electric guitar feedback, and that's the legend. Whether I didn't. I didn't want to fact check it because I want to believe that to be true. He just went along and did it, and they just pressed record and Jim Jarmers said, that's my score, goodbye, Neil Young, and that's it, which is awesome. Then there there is a movie called and dead Man is a great anti western with Johnny Depp. And it's a wonderful movie. Yeah, really good one.

01:06:32
Speaker 2: It's like some of the music you're talking about. It's a wonderful motion picture.

01:06:36
Speaker 3: So then the second one that came to mind was the Kelly rekerd film Old Joy. Have you seen Old Joy? This is her second feature.

01:06:44
Speaker 2: I have seen it. I love Kelly Riker and I have seen it. It's been a while. It's a wonderful movie. How does the how does the jam music component that film?

01:06:53
Speaker 3: The band Yola Tango did a similar type of score. That's right, that that Neil Young did to dead Man, and Yola Tango is jam adjacent. They're not a jam band, but their jam adjacent.

01:07:05
Speaker 2: That's there. Jam jacent, Yeah, by the way, adjacent.

01:07:10
Speaker 3: Yeah. Dead Man is streaming on HBO, Max and Criterion Channel. I don't know, I'm sure Old Joy is on Criterion also. But so Old Joy is a great move.

01:07:20
Speaker 2: It's about two guys that go in the woods to go find an old bathtub, and then they come out of the woods and go home, and it's good, so good.

01:07:35
Speaker 3: But who guys have walked to a bathtub?

01:07:37
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that. I mean, I can't say that that's the best sales pitch I've heard for a movie. Then again, I listen to you try to sell Society of the Snow by describing the most nightmarish things possible. So maybe maybe two guys walk to find a bathtub might be a better alternative. But yeah, I think it's about vibes. Man, It's a movie about vibes, and the vibes are good.

01:08:00
Speaker 5: It's like climbing the mountain. Look around, you see trees and rocks and bushes pressing around you, and then you get above the tree line you see everything you just went through and it all comes together. You know, you see that it has a shape.

01:08:14
Speaker 2: After all.

01:08:15
Speaker 3: It's a great little window into like whenever All Joy came out two thousand and three or whatever. They're in the car listening to Air America Radio, which is a god which was a radio network that existed for fifteen minutes during the Bush George W. Bush administration. It was supposed to be the the left wing alternative to like Rush Limbaugh, and it failed miserably, although it did actually get Al Franken back. You know, Al Franken graduated from comedian to political guy, and then he was in the Senate and then he was me too, out of the Senate. Ol Joy is in fact on Criterion, as I suspected it would be. It's also an HBO Max and so's elevated to Gallows by the way, But that's not the ones I wanted to pick.

01:09:00
Speaker 2: There weren't.

01:09:01
Speaker 3: No, this is the one. This is my deep cut boy, because there really hasn't been a jam. Artists recommendation is as long as a fish song. I know, I know, I'm sorry. So here's the deal. There is a great avant garde filmmaker by the name of Bill Morrison. And Bill Morrison It's probably the most famous film is Dawson City Frozen Time, which is a really good documentary about It's a film about film and it uses old films to tell the story about how films were distributed back in the day. Really fascinating. And he also did a short film called Incident, which was nominated for an OSCAR, about using security cam footage and police body footage to tell the story of a of a shooting that happened in Chicago. It's very interesting and very sad film. But Bill Morrison came from the world of fine arts, you know he was. His original work was not shown in theaters. It was shown in at the mass Mocha and the you know.

01:10:08
Speaker 2: The.

01:10:11
Speaker 3: Galleries and and art museums. But one of his first, one of his so two of his films has an original score by the guitarist Bill Frizell. And Bill Frazell is a jam adjacent jazz guitarist, and so two of his films have what are basically a jam band score, one of which you cannot stream legally, but you can if you try hard enough. It's called The Mesmerist, and the Mesmerist is Bill Morrison doing what he does best.

01:10:48
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:10:49
Speaker 3: He made his bones, Bill Morrison with a film called Decaysia, where he found decaying old nitrate films that looked like they were a mess and edited them together to make a kaleidoscope of a ninety minute jam of weird footage of decaying film that looks psychedelic and awesome, and I fell in love with that when I saw that. The Mesmerist takes an old film called The Bells with Lionel Barrymore and Boris Karloff. But the film itself was falling apart, so it had a texture in equality where it looked like they were these special effects, and so he re edited it to change the narrative of this film. And it's just short, it's like fifteen minutes and it's set to a jammed out, far out Bill Frizell's score. That's the Mesmeris. It's so cool. Another project he did, which is a little bit more sincere, not sincere, but a little bit more palatable, is called The Great Flood. This is a feature which is streaming on the History Channel's streaming service, The Channel has ser I discovered this this afternoon when I was doing research. The Great Flood is about the actual flood, the Louisiana flood of the year nineteen twenty one or whatever it was. It was a terrible, terrible flood. Randy Newman wrote a song about it, and it's all this footage of the flood that happened, and then the migration of people after the flood. It's a great history story, but it's done Bill Frazel fashion, where it sorry Bill Morrison fashion, where he takes all this footage and makes it into like a kaleidoscope sensorial, you know, just sort of event man where you just sort of groove on the images. And once again he deployed the great jazz guitarist Bill Frizell to do a jammy score. If you watch The Great Flood, it is not a PBS documentary where you're gonna learn about the Great Flood. You're going to experience the Great Flood through ways that you would never have done. And part of the element is this great jam score from from Bill Frazel. So that, to my friend mister Metz, is my recommendation. Check out the Bill Morrison film. Check out all of Bill Morrison films. He's made a zillion of them, most of them shorts, but specifically the two he's done with Bill Frizel.

01:13:28
Speaker 2: And that's on. I'm looking this up because I literally did not know this existed. The History Vault, that's the name of the streaming service.

01:13:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sign up for a free plan for six week, seven day free trial, and you can watch, you know, great Flood, the Great Thing.

01:13:45
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can watch this whole movie in seven days.

01:13:58
Speaker 3: Normally, on the games segment, it's Matt Singer who holds the conch.

01:14:04
Speaker 2: That's right, I have the conch.

01:14:06
Speaker 3: Listen to me.

01:14:07
Speaker 2: I'm piggy.

01:14:08
Speaker 3: We must have rules. Don't make a gick.

01:14:11
Speaker 2: I told you not to call me piggy. I specifically asked you just because I eat a lot of garbage food.

01:14:16
Speaker 3: I told you to go to the lou do it over there. Man, Oh, there's a rack on my head, all right. So anyway, normally it's Matt. We've had some great games. We had a letterbox games, we had IMDb games, we had other wacky games. And I won three of them and Sam won one of them. And now Sam holds the conch. We don't know what game. It's going to be a clue, but I've already lost once to Sam. I cannot lose to Matt also, so I hope not Sam. What is this week's game?

01:14:51
Speaker 4: I'm the piggy now, so yeah, So I just for the record, Jordan, there were two misstatements. Lord of the Rings instead of Lord of the Fly. So you're at negative for two.

01:15:06
Speaker 3: I said two. Oh my god, Whoopsie.

01:15:09
Speaker 2: Did I did I get? Did I have it? I didn't say if you were you were?

01:15:12
Speaker 4: You were? You were totally.

01:15:13
Speaker 2: I swear when I was writing this, just writing that little intro, I got it wrong four times.

01:15:18
Speaker 4: I had to correct it every time I wrote it in the square. That was every single time. Anyway. So to your point, Jordan, we've this is our fifth episode through four episode, and I came up with three games letter boxing questions curated from an actor's letter letterbox page. We had key Chain, an I m dB keyword game. We had last week Full Service. You named a movie, a famous movie. All we had to do was guest currently. It was my favorite game because I loved it. This week we will be playing a game called The Streaming Limited Q the Bustling train Station sound Effects The Streaming Limited. This is of course, tying your your brilliant, incisive review of the four episode limited series The Lord of the Flies. All answers in this game are also limited series. Oh no, that we're also literary adapts, some some more literary than others. I'll admit. They're all booked comics mini series counts. You guys will know most of these, all right, So this is this is how I don't know.

01:16:34
Speaker 2: That is a good idea overestimate my knowledge of books without pictures.

01:16:40
Speaker 4: No, this is not about knowing the books. All you have to do is know the streaming series. There are there are eight titles. But I'm going to give chances for two points per entry. This is going to confuse the map. I shouldn't have done this, but so you you'll be able to, you know, get a point for naming the the the limited series and also if you can name the the streaming service it's on. So when I do want to provide the service again that you provided.

01:17:06
Speaker 3: We are in the street.

01:17:11
Speaker 4: So this is a little bit of like letterboxing, a little bit of full service. All right. Uh so I am going to give you You can buzz in however you know, whenever, but I am going to give you in in some not always the same order, the year of release, a tagline, if possible. I love a tagline the starry actors and or directors who were involved in this project. I'm the author of the original book. And then I'll just start reading the plot description. If we're not there, and then I'll just say the name of the title. But if I get to you don't get to the end of the name of the streaming series before you say it. Go ahead, you get a point. All right? So two points. So I didn't really order these and easiest to most difficult. But these are all well well known and recent. I think the oldest one is like twenty eighteen. So these are not old. These are all new. Many of them are acclaimed Ammy winners even. Okay, so we're going to start this off two points per round. You just buzz in whenever you can. I'm going to keep track of what I'm reading and also your faces and see who's that.

01:18:13
Speaker 2: I have just I have only one question.

01:18:15
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:18:16
Speaker 2: If let's say Jordan answers correctly the name of a show, yeah, but he gets the streaming service incorrect? Can I can? Or vice versa? Can either of us guess can get why not?

01:18:30
Speaker 4: Okay?

01:18:31
Speaker 2: Then I have an I might have a shot. I have no shot at the names of the services at the right to.

01:18:37
Speaker 4: Change my mind during this game, but we'll see. Okay, number one release here twenty twenty four. This is that was that was very recently tagline an epic saga of war, passion and power. The original writer James Clavel. Oh, show good, Jordan, Yeah, Shogun, I thought that might do it. We all this, The copy of this book was in all of our homes. We grew up in the eighth Showgun. And also, of course we watched the Richard Chamberlain.

01:19:08
Speaker 3: I did watch.

01:19:10
Speaker 2: I watched.

01:19:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, it scarred me the boiling and oil.

01:19:14
Speaker 4: Okay, So Jordan, Jordan one, do you want to guess the uh?

01:19:18
Speaker 2: Well, yes, well it's funnily enough. I believe that this is a Hulu.

01:19:23
Speaker 4: You are correct points rare Hulu? Yeah.

01:19:27
Speaker 2: Is there a mercy rule that we can invoke here?

01:19:31
Speaker 4: Are you going to rest the control of the hosting duties from my cold dead Yes?

01:19:36
Speaker 2: This is the last time I'm participating.

01:19:38
Speaker 4: I think you're gonna know this.

01:19:40
Speaker 2: Um, I did you know that New show Gun? I did know both New show a split second after Jordan and I did.

01:19:46
Speaker 4: You're going to know all these are? Okay? Number two also twenty twenty.

01:19:50
Speaker 2: Four, so recently, what a great year the crew.

01:19:53
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go go with the crew. I don't think that we're going to save the tagline because it literally gives away the title, the crew, Stephen Zalien director and adapter. Oh, the cast, I'm going to start with maybe the less the not the star Dakota Fanning is in this, but it stars mister Andrew Scott.

01:20:15
Speaker 5: Yeah.

01:20:15
Speaker 4: That a writer, Yes, mad rip Ripley, Ripley there with black and white.

01:20:24
Speaker 3: I didn't see it.

01:20:25
Speaker 4: You got it? Okay? Do you want to guess the service it is currently streaming on, and originally it was.

01:20:31
Speaker 2: It's a streaming I think on the big red machines known as Netflix.

01:20:36
Speaker 4: You got it. Two points from that, we got a tie game.

01:20:39
Speaker 3: I didn't see it the uninvoked only. I am strict originalist. I prefer the Alan Delon film Purple Noon.

01:20:50
Speaker 2: That's what you were going to say, you only watch things in colors black photography.

01:20:56
Speaker 4: We're under number three. We've got a tie game through two roots. Year twenty twenty. We're going all the way back to twenty not a good year. The tagline drawn together driven apart co directors here Lenny Abraham, Abraham love that guy, director of Room and Frank along with Hetty McDonald's direct the original writer, the writer of the book, Sally Rooney.

01:21:23
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's famous.

01:21:27
Speaker 4: I'm going to read the plot description, Mary Ann and Connell Cunnell weave in and out of each other's lives and this exploration of sex power and the desire to be loved and beloved in Ireland kids.

01:21:40
Speaker 2: We don't know it.

01:21:40
Speaker 3: I don't want I don't watch this crap.

01:21:42
Speaker 4: This is this is where we discovered. Okay, this is going to give it away.

01:21:45
Speaker 3: If you know this, I don't know. This is where you're going to all those shows that are on HBO Max that I.

01:21:49
Speaker 4: Know, Okay, but this is this stars. I think this is where many people discovered mister Paul muscal Mescal Yeah, and Daisy Edgar Jones.

01:21:58
Speaker 3: These are the shows that are Matt and I have a friend like our friend Esther Zuckerman, watches seventeen of these shows a day, and I never watched these shows. You know it's the.

01:22:08
Speaker 4: Okay, this is going to be a shutout. We're gonna have to think.

01:22:10
Speaker 2: We I think I will. You'll see as soon as you say it, we're gonna know it or pretend we know it.

01:22:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll have heard it.

01:22:17
Speaker 4: I will be honest. If this was me, I would not have come up with normal people right, shutout.

01:22:26
Speaker 2: I have heard of I've heard of it. That was like Paul Mescal's big, big coming out, but I did not, and I think maybe not seen minute one.

01:22:35
Speaker 4: Daisy Edgar Jones as well.

01:22:37
Speaker 3: I have any famous book. She sells a million books, She's a best selling We've never read.

01:22:43
Speaker 2: Any of her books. I'm we're Philistine's Philistines.

01:22:46
Speaker 4: Okay, so this next one, so we're still tied to to Uh, this is the one that has fascinated me. I don't think either of you have seen it. You may not even have heard of it, but you the title will be familiar if I give you enough information, I believe. Let's just start twenty eighteen. The tagline seduction, manipulation, betrayal, never trust a spy. O the crew, the actors involved in this. How about Michael Shannon, how about Alexander Scarsgard, how about Florence pew Oh?

01:23:16
Speaker 2: I know this as Jordan.

01:23:18
Speaker 3: This is Tinker Taylor Soldier.

01:23:20
Speaker 2: No, the Little Drummer Boy, the Little Drummer Girl, Little drummer girl girl. Yeah, a little drummer girl. And it's written by Jean Lecare. The book is vastly superior to the movie. I've read this book.

01:23:35
Speaker 4: Who directed the Park two directed this.

01:23:37
Speaker 2: Yes, Park two, it's fascinating.

01:23:40
Speaker 3: It's it's it's an okay adaptation. There was a movie version in the eighties, Diane, Yes, which is which is not as good as the show and the show is nor.

01:23:49
Speaker 2: Did the show come out twenty eighteen. Okay, this one. I was gonna say this one it seems unfamiliar to me.

01:23:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was.

01:23:56
Speaker 2: I missed this one completely.

01:23:57
Speaker 4: Well, the reason you missed it is the answer to part two question, which.

01:24:01
Speaker 3: Is where the service is it on? Jordan? I, oh boy, yes, I know the answer. You ready, It's not. I think it's a MC plus.

01:24:12
Speaker 2: You're right, Wow wow, second wow. I did not of the episode for Jordan.

01:24:19
Speaker 3: Well, I I covered this. I had to write. I interviewed Jean Macarrey's kid, I guess Jean Lacarrey Junior. I interviewed him, and I interviewed I did not interview Park Chan Wook. I think I just interviewed Jean lacarry Junior's kid or whatever, and I, I you know, lied to him and said it was good adaptation. It's not. It's it's it is an okay adaptation. There are good I mean Florence p is very good, but she didn't nail it. And Shannon's always great. But the book is really, really, really good.

01:24:51
Speaker 2: It's one of the it's it's so good, So I recommend reading that if you can.

01:24:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is a sixth episode episode limited series three hundred and forty two minutes. You cannot find it at IMC plus anymore.

01:25:04
Speaker 2: Does it? Is it just gone down the It's.

01:25:07
Speaker 4: You can find it on Acorn Teeth for sure, wow, which you can find via Prime Video?

01:25:13
Speaker 2: Sure sure, wow. Yeah, as long as it's not on the shelf in the vault with the Bat Girl movie and these things. Isn't that where west World is? West World does not exist?

01:25:25
Speaker 3: Right?

01:25:26
Speaker 2: Does it not exist? Or did it get Did they start farming it out and making it something they licensed to places like I don't know if it's on there right now, but they license it to places like like A two B or you may be correct that it's not on HBO Max. They did they did? They have done that where they have taken things down. Yeah, you can you can watch it on like you just said you could. It's it's become a a revenue stream fast a fast channel specialty where they put it where places where people can watch it, but they're licensing it out and they get ad revenue or licensing revenue or what have you. How many how many how many shows?

01:26:06
Speaker 3: No, that's West World, the seventy three film, the Michael Crichton film, the actual series. Hold on this this hold on that was exciting for a second nearly fibbed West World series because now I'm kind of curious. Is yes, it's on Apple and Prime and Fandango at Home formerly known as Voodoo, formerly known as Bazooga, so you can rent it that way.

01:26:34
Speaker 4: Right, all right, So we're through, We're halfway through. We've we've done half the title, so there's still time. Four to two, four to two, Jordan right has the lead, but two points per round here. We're on to number five the year twenty twenty. This is a big one, guys. I think you'll be able to jump on this. Original writer Walter Tevis.

01:26:52
Speaker 3: Oh, He's famous.

01:26:53
Speaker 4: Tagline, Beth Harmon makes her move. The writer, adapter, the adapter director Scott Frank, I know this.

01:27:05
Speaker 3: God.

01:27:07
Speaker 4: I'm deciding whether to give you the cast, the the star, which will give it away, or maybe I will read the plot description in a nineteen fifties Orphanage, A young girl reveals an astonishing talent for this born game not Monopoly.

01:27:22
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the answer. This is the the Queen's Gambit.

01:27:27
Speaker 4: The Queen's Gambit.

01:27:28
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so funny. I was thinking of it and then I was like, that's not a board game. What a what a schmuck guy?

01:27:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's my that's my Because I was gonna say, if I said, Anya Taylor Dree, you did to jump right in, Yes, yes I did.

01:27:41
Speaker 2: I did.

01:27:42
Speaker 3: Who was the creative? Who's the Scott frank Scott frank At.

01:27:45
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, out of sight right and absolutely? Uh so what about what? What services?

01:27:52
Speaker 3: I believe that's on the big red one, that's on that.

01:27:55
Speaker 4: Right two six two. Sorry, Just like that, we're moving on. This is tough. I didn't realize or maybe had memory hold that this existed the year twenty nineteen, not that long ago. The tagline there's only no way out, There's only no way out.

01:28:14
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense.

01:28:16
Speaker 4: Christopher Abbott, Kyle Chandler, The directors. Three directors credited, Ellen Curis, Grant Heslov, and of course Grant Heslov's more famous partner Georgeorge George Clune. The original book came out in nineteen sixty one. It is one of the greatest books of the twentieth century. It is written by Joseph Heller.

01:28:42
Speaker 2: Oh yes, is it Catch twenty two? It is?

01:28:50
Speaker 4: I remember, all right, what service is Catch twenty two.

01:28:55
Speaker 2: This is a problem because I actually have absolutely no idea.

01:28:58
Speaker 3: I know, I watched the pilot.

01:28:59
Speaker 2: All right, I am gonna guess it feels like a Hulu to me.

01:29:03
Speaker 4: You're right, thank you for your back in it.

01:29:08
Speaker 2: Okay, but there's only one left right now?

01:29:10
Speaker 4: Two left? We got any Oh?

01:29:11
Speaker 2: I know.

01:29:11
Speaker 3: I watched the pilot and I said, hey, this isn't bad. I'll get back. I love the book, and I like the Mike Nichols version too. I think it's pretty good. I mean very Famously was not a big hit, and Mash came out, and Mash was like the conquered It. But I'm not the world's biggest match. I love Match the show, the Robert Altmans match. It's like if I were to list my favorite Altman movies, mashes at the lower third. But I watched the pilot and I like Chrisopher Abbot a lot and I said, I'm going to get back to this, and I forgot about it until today. It was the first time I ever remembered that this existed because it wasn't a hit, nobody was talking about it, and it just vaporized and I never got around to the second episode.

01:29:53
Speaker 4: It's been seven years. You could probably way see episode two. Is still I want to go episode start with episode one again. All right, number seven, It's six' Four jordan's.

01:30:06
Speaker 2: Number.

01:30:06
Speaker 4: Seven the year twenty twenty one tagline the end is the? Beginning great. Tagline Mackenzie davis And Himesh. Patel, actually, no what is? This you may you may wonder why what in? THIS i think it's It's it's become recognized as one of the great limited, series maybe of of of the twenty. Twenties, wow but you can understand why in twenty twenty, one a limited series about the survivors of a devastating flu attempt to rebuild and reimagine the world. Anew they are a troop Of shakespearean. Actors the original writer of the Book Emily John, Yeah.

01:30:50
Speaker 3: JORDAN i have not read the. BOOK i have not seen the, show But station Eleven STATION i could not think of. That i've been meaning to read. THIS i hear it's very. GOOD i THINK i even have a copy of. IT i think my mom gave.

01:31:03
Speaker 4: IT i actually haven't. Seen i've been wanting to catch up with this. SERIES i Love Mackenzie. Davis The shakespearean nature of the plot is so. Intriguing so, yeah, Okay So, jordan what? Service that's a.

01:31:18
Speaker 3: Station property that's ON Hbo.

01:31:19
Speaker 2: Max you are?

01:31:21
Speaker 4: Wrecked oh, NO i think it's game, over but we might as well just game eight two and we had eight or eight four eight?

01:31:27
Speaker 2: Four? Fully Bill, paxton.

01:31:32
Speaker 3: All, right we'll just.

01:31:33
Speaker 4: Finish it off. Though the year twenty twenty. One the cast tous so mobido, Mabidu Aaron, Pierre Joel, edgerton the original, writer A Pulitzer prize winner twenty Sixteen Pulitzer prize winner for Mister Colson. Whitehead oh, yes, Yes, Jordan The Underground, Railroad the Under. Railroad Barry jenkins, Director, yeah, adapter what service is there?

01:32:05
Speaker 3: Not you know it's.

01:32:06
Speaker 2: FUNNY i haven't watched, it but It's Barry. Jenkins and it's either it's EITHER Hbo max Or. Netflix EITHER Hbo max Or netflix is EITHER.

01:32:15
Speaker 3: Hbo it's On.

01:32:16
Speaker 4: Netflix it is Not matt for the. Win, oh what's gonna give me The it's On it's On Prime.

01:32:24
Speaker 2: Video.

01:32:28
Speaker 4: Congratulations, yeah, good good for you without watching any of these shows or reading any of these. Books last question is always worth ten. Points, wow that is the the that's a fun.

01:32:42
Speaker 2: One streaming.

01:32:43
Speaker 4: Limited so many.

01:32:45
Speaker 2: SHOWS i haven't, seen and so many BOOKS i haven't. READ i feel like such an uncultured.

01:32:51
Speaker 3: Idiot but but tell me about the time When Mary jane and doc oc were trapped T i mean you know which.

01:33:00
Speaker 2: Time there's been multiple.

01:33:02
Speaker 3: Times the truth of the matter, is as a general, RULE i tend to cover. Feature there are years ago was. Siloed if you were in this, business you covered film or you COVERED. Tv you didn't cross the. Streams And i'm a little bit old school THAT i tend to mostly cover, films BUT I i do COVER. TV i, mean today we Did lord of The, flies and you, KNOW i certainly haven't a, word but it's so. Funny of all the ones you, MENTIONED i hadn't seen most of, them and many of THEM i want. TO i wanted to See Station, LIMIT i wanted to See Underground, ROVER i haven't gotten.

01:33:30
Speaker 2: Around it's funny as and As sam was talking like describing the, game which again we have no idea what we're going to be doing, here and as you described, Me i'm, going, okay what? Limit what fancy? Limits and all the ONES i thought of you didn't even. Use LIKE i was, like, okay well there could be, foundation it could Be Brave New, world it could be, this it could be, that and you didn't pick any of. Them you found there are so.

01:33:51
Speaker 4: Many there are so so, many AND i think by limiting it to to, these, yeah there's so, many so, many and so many that involve like really big. Names you, know you, know we GOT i.

01:34:08
Speaker 2: GOTTA i gotta watch MORE. TV i think that's what we learned. Here i'm not going to read more. Books let's Be Did ripley catch on with? PEOPLE i feel like that didn't really like? It did it?

01:34:17
Speaker 3: Did?

01:34:17
Speaker 2: YEAH i MEAN I i.

01:34:19
Speaker 4: Just remember enough people talked about, like oh you would See ripley's.

01:34:21
Speaker 2: Really they had beautiful. Photography it got you, know the photography got some. Attention Andrew scott got some. Attention but it but again it's do any of these things get? It it's like there's so many of, them even if even if they get good, reviews even if people do watch them for a week or, two it's it just seems like they just they fall into the. MEMORY i do.

01:34:39
Speaker 4: Think that there was there was a, time AND i do feel like most of the services have figured this out when they just dump them all at, once and maybe they still are with a. Limits some of.

01:34:49
Speaker 2: Them still, do some of them still Most.

01:34:51
Speaker 4: Netflix still doing.

01:34:53
Speaker 3: It they done them all at, once BUT i believe most of the other. Networks apple certainly does a week to week AND Hbo max does week to. Week Disney plus with Their marvel And Star wars stuff generally is week to.

01:35:07
Speaker 2: Week, yeah but.

01:35:08
Speaker 4: Still people are confused, about, like, well what day of the week are they even. DROPPING i, mean it's just there isn't an established Like sunday night ON hbo or anything like.

01:35:16
Speaker 2: That and even if they do come out on you, know, week on the same, day you don't have to watch the Right people are gonna watch it in their own, time or they're gonna Like, Jordan they're gonna watch the first episode and then wait seven years and watch the next and then wait for more more years and They, yeah so the die the. Conversation it's very hard to sort of have the conversation hit critical.

01:35:37
Speaker 4: Mass, yeah, exactly so when it.

01:35:39
Speaker 2: Does, yeah but this was good to now we know all these shows we could watch where that's.

01:35:48
Speaker 4: RIGHT i, mean there's no STOPPING svu from going back and Watching ripley and just the entire episode to.

01:35:54
Speaker 3: It have you guys seen The? Expanse is this is?

01:35:58
Speaker 2: It you're talking about the show or just the, idea like just like look down our windows.

01:36:02
Speaker 4: A yawning void in front of.

01:36:05
Speaker 3: Because The expanse is based on on novels as, well and The expanse is really. Good i've seen that one that ONE i. Love so there's a shout out to The. EXPANSE i ask you.

01:36:18
Speaker 5: Something do you miss? Earth these Endless?

01:36:25
Speaker 2: Bluechoskies all, right let's run through some new titles on streaming this. Week these first ones That i'm gonna. Mention these are all available to rent or. Buy these are not necessarily in the strictest definition, streaming but you can watch them at home for a nominal. Fee we have the new version Of faces Of, death WHICH i think makes a plot point of the Old faces Of. DEATH i have not seen it.

01:36:52
Speaker 3: Yet NO i haven't seen it yet, either nor HAVE i seen the Original faces To, death BECAUSE i was terrified just hearing about, it As.

01:36:59
Speaker 2: Ah the mere. Concept how innocent we were when the idea of like these kind of like horrible videos of like snuff. Films the only way to see them were On faces Of, death not literally every device thrust in our faces all. Day, again that Deserted island is really sounding better and better the more the MORE i think about. It. Okay also available to render by this. Week mark By. Sophia this Is Sophia coppola's documentary about fashion Designer Mark. Jacobs another ONE i have not seen, yet but this One i'm going to absolutely be watching in the very near. FUTURE i saw the trailer before SOMETHING i saw in the a in a theater this this, spring AND i, Thought, oh this looks this looks. FUN i want to. See this was so. SURPRISED i, MEAN i watch television or read, books BUT i can see a documentary about a fashion. DESIGNER i am not the.

01:37:49
Speaker 3: World's Biggest Sophia coppola.

01:37:51
Speaker 2: Fan, No, no WHAT i like me as you would.

01:37:55
Speaker 3: BE i LIKE i Like.

01:37:59
Speaker 2: The The Virgin. Suicides, yes great. Movie lost in translation it's. Good The beguiled not particularly. Good she did that, one The Bling. RING i love The Bling. Rings underrated, movie underrated movie in my, Opinion, Antoinette, NO.

01:38:21
Speaker 3: I really like.

01:38:21
Speaker 2: It why it's? Okay and then WHERE i didn't see that? One i'm running? Out is there any THAT i?

01:38:30
Speaker 3: Forgot she did? One it's like there for The french. TWIST i think it's called or Something french. Twist she did a movie called The French. Something. Sam sam's checking it out right, now The french?

01:38:42
Speaker 2: Twist what is he talking? About it was An apple? Film it was an Early apple, Film french. Twist you know who made a great movie was her, Brother Roman.

01:38:51
Speaker 3: COPPOLA. Cq do you ever see C? Q i have. SEEN cqq is better than all The. Sophia oh my.

01:38:58
Speaker 2: GOSH i like loss in. Translation don't get me.

01:39:00
Speaker 3: Wrong it's. Fine BUT i DON'T i. DON'T i don't quite get THE.

01:39:04
Speaker 2: I don't see The french twist on this list of motion.

01:39:06
Speaker 3: Pictures she did a. Movie what was her what was Her apple? Film?

01:39:10
Speaker 2: Oh you know what was?

01:39:10
Speaker 3: Good you know it's one of her better. Movies are you talking?

01:39:13
Speaker 2: About on the? Rocks The Bill murray one on The.

01:39:15
Speaker 3: Rocks, yeah that's all that's in my. Brain somehow Became French french.

01:39:19
Speaker 2: Twist, sure of, course.

01:39:20
Speaker 3: You know it's so.

01:39:21
Speaker 2: GOOD i, really really really Liked. Priscilla priscilla is good, Too, yeah because she's a good director who makes good. MOVIES i Think priscilla is tied for first. PLACE i mean as much as the classics in my, opinion but also my opinion is clearly. Insane let's. Continue, yes, Well mark By, sophia which is, TECHNICALLY i, guess her follow up To. Priscilla it's her most recent. Film now it's going to be available to render by this. Week and Finally Mark.

01:39:49
Speaker 3: Jacobs who is this? Guy the fashion?

01:39:51
Speaker 2: Designer what does he have to tell? Me why WOULD I why DO i want to learn about?

01:39:54
Speaker 3: Him what did he ever? DO i? Mean he makes?

01:39:56
Speaker 2: Clothes you're you're basically putting me in a position WHERE i have to be smirch your your your your styling choices here to your, Face, jordan don't who in that? Position? DESIGN i?

01:40:08
Speaker 3: NEVER i DON'T i Know Isaac. Msrahi they made a good movie about. Him did you See? UNZIPPED i did.

01:40:13
Speaker 2: Not you never Saw?

01:40:14
Speaker 3: Unzipped now you should go See, unzipped which is. Hilarious isaac is, Wonderful he's so. Funny and he was at the film critics. DINNER i WAS i was, thinking just thinking about his. Game one of the longest but funniest Speech i've ever set through at that critics. Dinner, Okay and finally, here IF i did not buy all my clothes At, WALMART i would Buy Isaac mazrahi's.

01:40:34
Speaker 4: Clothes.

01:40:35
Speaker 2: Consider, Okay and finally here a film Entitled, You me And, tuscany WHICH i will CONFESS i don't know much, about but that WHAT i assume is the tagline was helpfully provided here By. Sam it, says, quote she came for the pasta and got lost in the. Sauce.

01:40:52
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a hell of a.

01:40:54
Speaker 2: Tagline hell of a tag. Line and then finally here the second highest grossing movie of the year so, Far Project Hail, Mary Project Hill. Mary one of the big really one of the kind of pleasant surprises of the. YEAR i, mean whatever you think of it, critically, commercially it was a huge. Hit it made over three hundred million dollars to mass money six hundred and fifty. Globally you, know it is based on, novel but still a movie that is not you, know it's not a. Sequel it is not it is not A i guess in some, WAYS i suppose it is a star. War it's not one of those star. Wars But Ryan gosling is kind of at war with a star in a. Sense he's so, yeah so maybe MAYBE i shouldn't be that. Impressed but in any, event it. Was it was a good, movie and it was a very very high grossing, film and it is available now if you, did if you're one of the few that didn't see it in, theaters you'll be able to rent it or buy it On, Tuesday may, twelfth which is the day this episode. Drops but by the, way so by the time you're listening to, this you can watch.

01:42:04
Speaker 4: It.

01:42:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah good. MOVIE i Like Project Till. Mary that's the number two. Grosser what's the number? One let me try to.

01:42:10
Speaker 2: Guess i'm, OKAY i know the, answer so but you can guess if you. Want it's Streaming. Bazooka that's, right that's. Right The Super Mario galaxy Movie, god which AS I i, MEAN i don't know What, mari your Friend mario who you sold a ticket?

01:42:28
Speaker 3: To he told us the.

01:42:29
Speaker 2: Story BUT i hope he's still around AND i hope he got to see this one. Too the plumber Named mario who you sold a ticket To Super Mario. Brothers do you think he still? GOES i don't think he's with us.

01:42:44
Speaker 3: Anymore he.

01:42:45
Speaker 2: Was these, days they're going to get one of, these right.

01:42:49
Speaker 3: Unzipped is not streaming? Anywhere? Oh, man illegally down that load that. One it's it's because it's A. Mirramax that was that was one of the Early mirrormax. Hits so that's why it's lost in the in the stream in the streaming. Ethos but you should illegally. Watch that's.

01:43:05
Speaker 2: So what else is coming to streaming this?

01:43:07
Speaker 3: Week oh my? God theatrical release is coming to. Streaming. Goat Sony Animation's goat comes To. NETFLIX i don't know anything about. THIS i will never see.

01:43:17
Speaker 2: It My basketball it's a basketball themed talking animal animated, film and it GOT i would, say surprisingly good. Reviews, ACTUALLY i like Air. BUD i am SURE i will. Be it's sort of a cousin of Air, buzz.

01:43:32
Speaker 3: But it's an animated it's not if it was.

01:43:34
Speaker 2: Animated yeah, no, no real animals were harmed in the making of this. Movie have you seen The Sheep detectives? YET i, haven't But i've heard that's Also i'm going On.

01:43:43
Speaker 3: TUESDAY i can't. WAIT i haven't support.

01:43:45
Speaker 2: Back AND i will probably be Watching goat very soon AND i can report.

01:43:50
Speaker 3: Back all, Right well, listen that's kind Of oh and then another biggie that's coming this week to The Big red One. Netflix Marty Colin life is short documentary about the life and career Of Martin. Short And i'm not going to steal this. JOKE i forgot who said, it but it was not.

01:44:06
Speaker 2: Me you.

01:44:07
Speaker 3: Know there recently was A John candy documentary and somebody pointed out that like a decade, Ago Martin scorsese said he was making a documentary ABOUT sctv and it's never. Happening so instead we're just going to get documented and read from other directors about all the cast members of THIS. Tv. SO i haven't seen The Marty short documentary, yet but it's directed By Lawrence.

01:44:30
Speaker 2: Kasden, yeah that was a surprise for. Me, Yeah And Lawrence kasden has his kind of doesn't work too. Much there was a time when there was nobody bigger than.

01:44:40
Speaker 3: Him he was.

01:44:40
Speaker 2: Huge.

01:44:41
Speaker 3: Sure and the question, is Has Martin short ever been in A lawrence Kas in? Film and the answer is, yes he was in nineteen ninety Nine's. Mumford not to be confused With mumford And, Sons.

01:44:55
Speaker 2: But why WOULD i confuse those? Things?

01:44:58
Speaker 3: Okay But kasdin he did a film With did you ever See Darling?

01:45:03
Speaker 2: COMPANION i think that may have been his last. Feature, Yeah i'm trying to. Think i'm trying to think IF i did see, IT i. Do i'm trying to, Think like the thing that's coming to mind is that he did he had like A Star wars. Comeback speaking Of Star, wars he Wrote, solo A Star wars story and famously like.

01:45:22
Speaker 3: The outs involved In souls The.

01:45:24
Speaker 2: Scuttle but was, that you, know like he wasn't getting along With lord And miller also Of Project Tail Mary all roads lead back to that, FILM i, suppose, yeah, yeah, yeah that was part of the creative tension that eventually led to them, leaving And Ron howard came in and finished, it AND i think that was kind of the last movie he worked.

01:45:43
Speaker 5: On.

01:45:44
Speaker 2: Really.

01:45:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, kasden of course he co Wrote Empire STRIKES backdats and his Early raiders was The biggie and then you know co wrote and then he Directed Body heat And The Big chill in the early. Eighties those were his monster. Movies And Big chill was pretty. Grea The Big chill is awesome because it has no no. Plot it's about a bunch of people hanging. Out and then he did a film called French, kiss not to be confused with The sophia couple of Films French, witch which does not. Exist French, kiss If i'm not, mistaken that Was Billy, crystal, right, yeah, yeah.

01:46:21
Speaker 2: No, no, correct you have the. Wrong When Harry kevin clin With Meg, ryan that was the that was The Darling. Companion So Darling companion Is Kevin.

01:46:34
Speaker 3: Klein and if it Wasn't Diane, keaton it was somebody Like Diane.

01:46:39
Speaker 2: Keaton and it is it. Is it Is dyankt And Diane.

01:46:47
Speaker 3: Keaton and they're rich people and they live up in The Hollywood hills whatever and their. Dog it's about a, dog, right. Yeah the dog escapes and so they look for the dog and that's the. PLOT i, mean it's it's it's it's just you, Know The Big chill had no plot and it worked And Darling companion has no plot and it certainly does not. Work so that's ALL i can say about. That well, Anyway but now he's making A Martin short, documentary and. Listen if it's got footage Of Martin short being Ed grimley and all the classics from back in the, day it's gonna be worth.

01:47:14
Speaker 2: Saying this is kind of the secret sauce of all of these, documentaries is that EVEN i, mean when these people are so talented and, funny it's like you're halfway home and it doesn't matter what you do and who you interview and who you. Talk it's, like you, know there was a documentary recently About Lorne michaels That i'm sure we'll be on streaming soon that was Called, lorn And Lorne michaels openly expresses contempt for the project on, camera but because they interviewed one hundred million people who worked ON snl for over foot. Years, yeah the interviews are incredible and the archival footage is fantastic and you're, laughing and it's Like Lorne michaels didn't want the movie to, exist and he didn't really say anything particularly, revelatory but one hundred people were funny for ninety. Minutes so there you. Go that's you, know now you got a. Movie there's a, show that's a show.

01:48:02
Speaker 3: Speaking of not particularly. Revelatory thank you to the listeners who've tuned in once again To Film SPOTTING, svu but also one hundred minutes and pretty, funny so not so. BAD i think next week is going to be a different. Week do you want to do you want to? KNOW i mean a different type.

01:48:23
Speaker 2: Of show almost by. Definition if it's not a different, week we have a real catchoining two we have.

01:48:29
Speaker 3: Had we have a weird show on deck and you, know let's not even pitch. It just the listeners should know that next week's show is. Different it's gonna be a it's going to be a very special, episode.

01:48:38
Speaker 2: Wacky we don't have To we'll leave them with, that with that tantalizing. Tease, yeah what could it possibly? Be but in the, meantime if people want to contact us feedback At FILMSPOTTING sbu dot. COM i want to thank you all for. Listening my name Is Jordan. Hoffman it's been a great talking with you and experiencing.

01:48:58
Speaker 3: This program with. You Matt, singer did you have a good time this. Week what are you talking? About what's happening right?

01:49:05
Speaker 2: Now wrapping it? Up wrap it? Show, okay, well let's let's actually wrap things.

01:49:10
Speaker 3: Up and just.

01:49:10
Speaker 2: Say you can find me On instagram And letterbox At Super. Pols, yeah And I'm i'm On Blue sky At Matt. Singer jordan's On Blue sky At Jay hoffman. Six jordan's also On. Letterbox we should probably add his. Information, Yeah i'm A letterbox At Jay hoffman. Six there you, go, okay and S fu is produced by the Great Sam Van. Halgren did a great job hosting the game this. WEEK i think you can do it again if you want for, now BUT i there may be a power struggle that comes up at some.

01:49:39
Speaker 3: POINT i can't promise. Anything And I'm Matt singer And I've Jordan hoffman and thank you so much for. Listening we'll see you next.

01:49:50
Speaker 2: Week make sure you amp up the yawn that he can let out right as he was saying his, name