INSTANT REACTION: Trump ‘Fine’ After Being Shot In Ear

Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:11.240 Former President Donald Trump was hit in the ear during 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.640 a Pennsylvania rally when a shooter opened fire. One attendee 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:20.320 was killed, two are critically injured. The Associated Press reporting 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.880 that this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. And 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.319 we actually had a reporter on the ground, Heydriana Lowen Crunch. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.240 She joins us. Now, Heydriana, are you with me? Now? 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.960 Yes, I am. Thanks for having me. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.720 And you were actually there when all of this happened. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.920 Can you sort of set the scene for us? Sure? 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.000 I mean, it's important to note that he former President 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.839 Donald Trump, started at around six o'clock. It was originally 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:53.320 supposed started at five. People come hours in advance. They're 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.920 waiting outside. It's extremely hot. You know, there's water being 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.240 passed around left and right, so there's a lot of anticipation, 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.040 and there's there, you know, it's a very big crowd 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.880 and everyone's close together. And so a couple minutes in, 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.680 fifteen or so minutes in, at around six fifteen, he's 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.800 in the middle of speaking and all of a sudden, 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.720 you hear what sounds like a gunshot. You're not entirely sure, 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.360 it's you know, people have heard fire works before, but 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.040 not everyone has heard gunshots before. There was screaming, everyone 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.520 immediately ducked down. There was just so much chaos that 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.000 people couldn't even kind of figure out what was going on. Obviously, 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.840 as we know, the Homer president was immediately rushed off 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.440 the stage after grabbing his ear. You know, there was blood, 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.480 and I was actually around a lot of the attendees 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.720 who were running, a lot of them with kids, you know, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.720 grabbing the kids. Some others kind of milled around. They 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.280 weren't sure would he come back. Everyone was just kind 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:51.960 of in a state of confusion and chaos. So it 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.200 really it really was a sight, Adrianna. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.640 I understand that there were metal detectors there fifteen thousand 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:04.040 people attending this rally, So it makes sense that unless 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.760 you had a bird's eye view or a pulled back 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:08.600 view like the rest of us who were watching on 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.080 television had, it would be if you were sort of 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.280 you couldn't see the forest for the trees as it were, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.000 you would get caught up in that chaos. Did you 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.320 also see a level of security there when you were there? 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.520 Yeah, So this is definitely not my first Trump rally. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.400 I've been too many. I've been to some inside that 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.760 are a bit smaller, some that are outside, this of 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:35.000 course being a bigger one, huge open space, not a 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.880 lot of buildings, so you know, it was really interesting 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:43.239 kind of just seeing everyone react. I mean, I'm sure 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.600 again as you mentioned, if I had a bird's eye view, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.880 seeing what it must have looked like everyone ducking at once. 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:52.200 You know, it was just very clear to see everyone 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.480 kind of drop and then of course see everyone, well 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.799 not everyone, but you know, some people start running, others 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.400 kind of again more confused, sticking behind, but they're definitely 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.600 were officers around. As you had mentioned, there are always 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:10.120 metal detectors. People immediately were trying to you know, rush people. 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.399 The officers were trying to rush the attendees out as 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.240 soon as they could. But it really was a state 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.840 of state of chaos. 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:23.239 And now they're this this particular rally, and Donald Trump's 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.760 speech was sort of gearing up for the Republican National Convention, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.360 which is supposed to start on Monday in Milwaukee. Have 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.320 you heard yet anything, and I know it's very early 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:40.600 about more security, about different different schedule, about about more 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.640 protection for the presidential candidate himself about anything going on. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.880 With that, right, I mean, as you mentioned, this was 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.720 this was a big weekend for him. He had had 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.200 another rally in Florida. He has this win today heading 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.120 off to Milwaukee. This is a big event of the year, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.760 of the cycle for the Republican Party. Know, he already 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.920 got enough delegates to be the nominee, but this really 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.560 makes it official. And so this is big. And you know, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.480 to your point, I think there will definitely be conversations 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.440 about what that will look like. They were already, you know, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.839 very intense, you know, and had he detailed security planning 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.960 going on. You know, as someone you know myself, I 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.919 will be attending that I've been kind of freefed about 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:26.800 what that will look like. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.040 So that's That's that. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.680 Conversation has already started, and I'm sure this will only 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:31.640 exascerate that. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.760 All right, Thank you so much, Adrianna, and I want 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:36.920 you to stay with us. By the way, Hedriana, don't 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.480 go anywhere. We're going to turn now to Bloomberg's Joe Matthew, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.680 who also Joe, are you already in Milwaukee. 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.080 We just touched down a short time ago, Amy, and 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.280 you know that flight of course, was from Washington, d C. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.359 Where we are based, and so it was an airplane 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.080 full of media and political operatives, all of whom found 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.240 out about this upon landing. And that's because the Wi 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.799 Fi was not working on the airplane. There were members 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.440 of the Trump campaign on that airplane, and it was 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.320 quite remarkable to look up and down the aisles and 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.320 see everyone glued to their phones realizing what had happened. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.760 And then, of course, you know, we're surrounded by a 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.080 lot of folks who are coming here to cover the convention, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.000 a lot of producers, a lot of reporters who were 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.760 all on the phone trying to get their arms around this, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.560 and you know, you just pointed us in the right direction. Amy. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.280 This is going to be a real interesting twenty four 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:34.120 hours to see how plans are potentially adjusted around this convention. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.040 Donald Trump was supposed to announce a running mate here 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.480 in the next twenty four to forty eight hours. There 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.760 was likely event planning around that that we didn't know 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.120 about yet, and all of this stuff is probably changing 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.679 under our feet. That statement from Donald Trump is interesting 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.040 as we try to learn more about what exactly happened, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:51.240 but it's hard to tell. Is he going to be 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.040 in public tomorrow is the first day of the convention 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.000 going to happen, And what are they going to do 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.480 with security here in Milwaukee. These are all big questions 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.440 that have yet to be answered. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:04.800 Tonight, I wanted to ask about the worldview. I want 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.440 to just take a great, big, thirty thousand foot view, 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.400 because we are hearing now not just from Democrats and Republicans, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.920 but from world leaders. We're hearing from the new prime 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.840 minister in the UK, We're hearing from the Brazil's president, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:24.520 We're hearing from Central America. We're hearing from everybody, and 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.040 they're all everybody is in one voice, condemning violence, particularly 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:35.919 condemning political violence. Okay, so where does it go from here? Because, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.320 as you know, Joe, there was a poll, a Bloomberg 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:43.320 poll back in May where voters, both Democrats and Republicans, 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:49.480 mostly independents, were concerned that this particular election, this particular election, 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.680 would be marked with some sort of some sort of 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.560 political violence. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:59.600 Yep. Look, this is a very hot time, a very 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:05.000 device of time in American politics. And no one knows 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.039 right now what this means for the election. No one 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.840 knows what it means for security surrounding these people who 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.160 are running for the highest office, and it's going to 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.600 take a minute to figure this out. The first job 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:22.600 is going to be learning exactly what happened. The next job, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.800 or maybe the simultaneous job, is going to be lowering 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.760 the temperature here. Talk of retribution has become a daily 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.040 event on this campaign trail, and it's not only Donald 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:37.440 Trump who talks that way. So you know, Amy, we're 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.840 reporters here and we try to deal with facts as 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.640 we learn them, and we don't have a lot right now, 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.160 so it's difficult to make a lot of judgments. You're 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:46.840 going to see a lot of statements like the ones 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.360 you're mentioning from around the world, from lawmakers in Washington. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.080 We've heard from former presidents already here and everyone's holding 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.520 their collective breath. They say Donald Trump is okay, and 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:02.000 that's a real good start. The potential for lone wolf activity, 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.280 the potential for people becoming more entrenched in their political 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:09.320 views because of this, is high, and this is something 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.760 that we should be all worried about as Americans right now. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.640 Yeah, I've asked David Gurrow about this as well as 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:20.640 Laura Davison and Jody Schneider. Is it possible? And maybe 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.920 it's just because I like thinking of the sunshine and 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.320 the happy part of life, But is it possible that 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.480 this would be the catalyst for people to go you 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.920 know what, maybe we should dial the rhetoric back a bit, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:31.760 Maybe we should not be so entrenched. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.000 I like the way you think anything is possible right now, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.559 but that's why we shouldn't be casting about with predictions 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.439 or clutch analysis that you're going to hear a lot 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:47.320 of tonight the Sunday morning shows tomorrow, and look, people 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.160 are going to be angry about this. I'd love to 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.240 think that this is a turning point for the better 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.320 in American politics, but I'm not sure we have the 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.080 ingredients for that at the moment. It's very difficult to tell. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.000 But let's also acknowledge the opportunity here for these two leaders. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.520 Donald Trump could go in a lot of different directions 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.000 rhetorically and with this convention tomorrow, and so could the 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:11.839 people surrounding him. For crying out loud, He's going to 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.520 have Fana White from you know, the UFC on stage 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.520 with him this week. This was a real brawler's kind 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.280 of event that was coming together here, and that's part 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.840 of rallying your base. Well, look for him and for 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.560 Joe Biden, this is an opportunity to maybe find some calm. 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.640 I want to just jump in. And to that point, 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.319 when when former President Trump stood up and he was 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.280 surrounded by the Secret Service, you saw him. He raised 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:40.160 a fist and he screamed fight, fight, sort of rallying 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.160 the troops. And also I think it was his way 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:43.760 of letting people know he was okay. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.800 You know, yeah, watching him pump his fist in the air, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.040 and he was clearly shaken. Any of us would be 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:51.960 if we were thrown to the ground by a group 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.080 of Secret Service agents, never mind clipped in the ear 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:55.640 by whatever that was, if it was a bullet or 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.000 a piece of glass. He says that it was a 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.120 bullet that pierced his ear. I'm sure he was in shot. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.760 But also to have the presence of mind amy as 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.480 a true performer that he is to take that moment 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.040 to briefly rally the crowd, to pump his fists like this. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.920 These are images that are going to last forever and 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.160 probably at this point will eclipse the mugshot in terms 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.840 of the historic images of this campaign. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.160 Is it gonna eclipse the conversation about Biden's age. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.680 Well, that's a great question. I'm not sure anything ken 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.000 right now. I mean, just consider the dual storylines that 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.719 we're looking at suddenly on both sides of this campaign. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.720 Thank god he was not hurt more than he was. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:48.680 But these are to your words earlier uncharted times, Joe, I'm. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.000 Going to ask you to stay right there. We've got 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.800 Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor joining us now, and Rick 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.760 I wanted to jump on the line with you and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.640 ask about the campaign. Where things go from here. We 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.320 know that the Biden campaign has stopped their outgoing communications. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.280 They've stopped the commercials. They pulled all their television commercials 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.640 and I presume some of their radio commercials as well, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.560 at least for the time being. That seems like the 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.600 appropriate move. What do you think about that? Sure? 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.440 I think that that makes total sense. Most of their 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.200 ads right now we're targeting, you know, Donald Trump negative 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:30.440 campaign ads. Totally inappropriate to have those up on the air, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.920 you know, in a moment of crisis right now. And 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.480 I say that from a political perspective, this really does 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:43.160 have a significant impact on the political mood of the country. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:49.040 We haven't seen this kind of assault, assassination attempt on 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.560 a political figure at this level in a long time. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:57.000 Most people have grown up in a relatively benign environment. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.360 We talk a lot about political violence has been cropped up, 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.319 but now we've seen it firsthand, and by tomorrow morning, 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.880 people will be waking up profoundly impacted by this. And 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.160 I think that it's the right thing for the Biden 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:18.040 campaign to have suspended their campaign in essence and focus 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.199 on the health and well being of the former president 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:25.440 and ensuring that we can keep the mood of the 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:31.680 country calm and focus on the issues that bring us together, 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.000 not those that divide us. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.440 Rick, you have some experience with the Republican Convention. I 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:38.640 believe you were heavily involved in two thousand and eight. 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.040 What's the next step for them, what's the direction that 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.440 they can take at this point. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:49.480 Yeah, I've been to every Republican convention since nineteen seventy 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:54.840 six and ran a couple of them, So this is 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.520 going to have an impact on a lot of different things. Obviously, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.760 there was a very choreograph plan to announce the vice president. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:06.559 Over the course of the next forty eight hours, and 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:12.480 obviously the president's condition is number one, and will he 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.400 get back on track with his existing schedule as a 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.400 lead up to showing up at the convention on Monday. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.600 But you know, just to remind people listening, there's supposed 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.880 to be a role call vote on Monday with both 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.120 Donald Trump and his vice presidential nominee, and right now 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:29.720 we don't. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:30.240 Know who that is. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.600 And the question is does this impact even the schedule 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:38.560 at the convention based on the president's you know, availability, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.280 he may change his mind on how he wants to 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.080 approach the entrance to this convention based on what's just 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.520 happened to him. 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:53.360 Let's look ahead also at the Democratic National Convention. We've 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.080 been focusing so much on the Republican National Convention because 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.200 it's right around the corner, and this speech was his 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.439 lead up to that. But the Democratic National Convention is 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.640 in August, and all eyes were on that because of 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.920 the controversy over President Biden's age and mental acuity and 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.640 whether he would be challenged at this convention. Do you 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.839 expect any of the focus to shift because of this? 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.760 Well, certainly, you know we're talking right now about Donald Trump, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.520 which we haven't really done at all in the course 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.160 of the last two weeks since the debate, because it's 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.479 all been focused on Joe Biden, his disasters to pay performance, 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.400 and whether or not he would be able to continue 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:38.920 his campaign. This will take Joe Biden out of the limelight. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.320 This will be focused on Donald Trump for the next 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:48.080 week and appropriately so, even regardless of this incident. Today, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.960 this is his convention. He's one of the very few 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.960 in history of our country to have achieved what he's 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.760 achieved by becoming the nominee of this party after having 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.240 already served the president term and then skipped one. So 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.720 it was already set up to be a historic event 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.239 by any stretch of the imagination politically and now personally. 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.760 You know, every delegate who was planning to come to 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.640 the convention books with this week, you know, is saying 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.640 a prayer for Donald Trump and his family right now 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:24.120 to ensure his safety and speedy recovery, whatever kind that 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.560 may be. And so all the plans that Democrats were 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.640 making about what attack they were going to make on 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.480 Donald Trump, what were they going to be doing, all 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.400 that's been blown open. Having done this many times. Six 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.120 months ago, they were nailing their program down at the 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:43.120 Democratic Committee saying, here are the speakers we're going to 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:44.800 want to have here, the themes we're going to want 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.000 to talk about. They were all based on the campaign 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.360 that existed before today. That campaign is now going to 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.840 have to be reevaluated from top to bottom. I cannot 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.800 imagine a scenario where Joe Biden goes back on the 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.800 road after this week's Republican Convention and attacks Donald Trump. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.920 It's just not going to seem the right tone for 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.000 a campaign that's been affected by this assassination attempt. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.320 Joe, if you're still with me, I'd like to turn 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.000 to you and ask you a couple of questions if 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:20.080 I could. We're now learning that Bill Ackman says he 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.680 has just endorsed Donald Trump for president. Now, this is 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:28.040 not a shocker. We kind of saw this coming. But 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.280 this seems to have pushed him over the edge, right 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.360 and has this whole event, maybe this was the time 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.880 for him to do it. Expect more of that, More 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.520 of people who may have been on the fence or 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.640 may have just been sort of leaning toward Trump now 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.520 saying yeah, he's the guy because of this maybe. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.920 And you're right, we thought this might happen anyway, So 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.200 maybe not much of a nudge was needed for Bill Ackman. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.520 I just saw that headline cross the terminal as well, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.520 maybe and ask myself the same thing. And I just 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.880 think this is why we can't spend time tonight trying 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:02.760 to predict what's going to happen, because these are going 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.159 to come in one other time, and we're going to 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.399 see and hear things over the next twenty four hours 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.480 that will probably be remarkable when we add them to 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.000 the composite of this whole campaign. But it's difficult to say, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.800 you're asking me about a potential you know, sympathy play here. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.560 I'm looking at these images as I talk to you, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.120 with blood streaming down his face, hiss in the air. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.080 These are dramatic images that are going to affect the 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.119 way people look at him and look at this race. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:37.040 And to Rick's point, this really poses a real challenge 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.679 to the rhetoric on the Biden campaign. And people are 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.200 circulating this remark that he made about putting Trump in 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.000 a bull's eye, and I I'm sure he had no 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.440 idea we'd be talking about it in this context tonight, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.520 But that's how sensitive people are going to be coming 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.960 out of this, and to think that we're going to 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.679 have a four day Republican convention, assuming that happens with 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.840 the raw rah and the red meat that comes with this, 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.359 I can't imagine what it's going to look and feel 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:05.959 like here. This is something we're going to have to 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:06.840 experience together. 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.520 Could this possibly change the tone or the conversation when 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:21.119 it comes to gun legislation? Oh jeez, I know, because 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.159 the reason I ask is because the Secret Service just 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:26.520 released a statement saying that it was an Ar gosh 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.879 Ar fifteen rifle from like two hundred yards away. Let 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.560 me look, And so I'm wondering if that might play 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.160 into this an AR style rifle from two hundred feet away. 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.240 I think you'd have to wait to hear from Donald Trump. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.840 I mean, you know, he is an NRA card carrying 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.920 Second Amendment proponent here, it's a big part of his platform. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.080 Is that going to change the way he talks about 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.480 gun violence? That will probably impact the way his face 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.600 thinks about it. I'm not sure I'm going there in 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.600 my head though, to be honest, Certainly, after what we 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.760 saw in the wake of Uvaldi and the rhetoric and 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.960 sort of the debate that surrounded that sense. I don't 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:09.600 know though, I mean, these are these are things we 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.760 shouldn't try to predict, but I think that would be 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.480 a remarkable moment, in an unexpected one of that. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.160 I want to turn back to Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:25.600 You're there, You're in Milwaukee. Just like Joe, Joe described 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.719 the scene where they were all on the plane and 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.320 there was not really a Wi Fi, so they didn't 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.920 know until they landed that this was going on. Very shocking. 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:36.640 I'd like to know how you learned about. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:42.960 This, Yeah, the same way. I was seated next to 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.800 Kelly and Conway on the plane coming out here, and 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:51.359 as soon as we got into range of cell service, 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:57.600 everybody was really just you know, gasping. And it was 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.600 very early after the incident, and people didn't have really 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:06.119 any information of what happened or what Donald Trump's condition was, 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.399 and so there was a real somber mood on the plane, 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:14.520 and the few words exchange with Kelly, Anne and and 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.480 and other reporters who were also on the plane following 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:22.479 the same news was you know, pretty pretty dramatic. So, uh, 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.520 it was. It was an odd thing to be sort 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.439 of captured on a plane with no Wi Fi and 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.320 oblivious to probably one of the most historic events in 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.520 modern political history. And uh, and here we are on 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.640 the ground, surrounded by Republicans from all over the country, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.560 you know, getting ready to party on for Donald Trump 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:48.800 this week. And it's definitely going to change the mood 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:53.280 of the delegates, the officials and members of Congress, the governors, 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:58.240 everybody who is a Republican officeholder will be here and 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.479 and and and will be impacted by today's events. 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.520 Well, Rick, on that note, we want to bring you 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.080 the audio of what happened at that rally. This is 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:13.159 what it sounded like moments before, and during, and just 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.119 after former President Trump was shot. Now you're going to 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.960 hear gunshots. We want to warn you that it contains 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:21.840 the sound of gunfire. It contains the sound of people screaming, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.520 and you can hear the Secret Service barking orders and 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.040 shouting to each other about what to do next. So 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.120 we're going to roll that piece of audio right now. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:31.560 Oh, that's a little bit old. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.760 That that charts a couple of months old. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.040 And if you want to really see. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.360 Something that said, take a look at what happened. 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:04.720 To spare was there? 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:14.560 What are you ready, I'm you ready? Bows here, ready, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:14.560 get ready? 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:15.560 Are you ready? 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:22.960 Shoot? Were good? 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.520 Shooters down, I'll be good. 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:38.480 We're we're going. Let me get my shoes. 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.600 Let me get my shoes, sir, I got you. 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:41.800 Let me get my shoes. 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.800 Hold on head, bloody, So we gotta get to bunch. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:53.679 Let me get okay, okay. That was some pretty graphic 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.399 audio that we have from the rally and Joe I 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:01.359 had not heard that part before where they said shoot 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.760 her down so quickly, so fast, shoot her down, shoot 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:08.119 her down, and then President Trump saying, or former President 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.359 Trump saying, I got to get my shoes like it 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:11.760 knocked him out of his shoes. 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.639 Yeah, I you know. He then went on to say fight, fight, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.760 fight three times while he was pumping his fist. I'll 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:25.439 be honest with you, that's so disturbing hearing that that. 0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:27.640 I'm not sure we're going to be playing that tape 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:28.399 for a lot longer. 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:33.160 No, I completely agree. I wanted to. I mean, yes, 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:38.360 you're absolutely right, it's very chilling. It's disturbing, and that 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.679 it happened during a campaign rally, Rick somehow makes it 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:43.960 all seem so much worse. 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.840 Yeah, and what you couldn't hear or see is the 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:53.520 presidence of mine of President Trump, who once they got 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.960 him to his feet and headed to the card. Of course, 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.240 at that point nobody knows what his condition is. I 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.800 recall in the White House was Ronald Reagan when he 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.520 got shot. He got stuffed into the Secret Service car. 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.320 Nobody had any clue whether he'd actually been shot or 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.639 or what had happened to him. It was very reminiscent 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.760 of that episode. But he stood up President Trump and 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.800 as Joe remarked, you know, thrusting his fist into the air, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.000 saying fight, fight, fight. And what you don't hear right 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.520 after that clip is the crowd breaking into a chant 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.480 for USA. So you know, they had their own way 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.960 of sending Trump off, you know, in a way that 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.040 I think is going to be emblematic of how his 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:39.200 bage feels about this incident. Now, just just going to 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:39.879 fire him up. 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:44.280 Just after the shooting, we were already saying, well, the 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.399 White House needs to release a statement, somebody needs to 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.800 say something. I mean, we need we need the president 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.920 to seem presidential. And it was about an hour and 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:55.240 a half, maybe two hours later, President Biden did step 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:56.800 in front of the cameras, and this is what he 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:57.440 had to say. 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.760 I'm thoroughly by all the agencies in the federal government. 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.399 It's this situation based on what we know now. I 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.480 have tried to get a hold of Donald. He's with 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:14.359 his doctors. They apparently he's doing well. I plan on 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.800 talking to them shortly. I hope when I get back 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:22.040 to the telephone. Look, there's no place in America for 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.760 this kind of violence. It's sick. It's sick. It's one 0:25:25.800 --> 0:25:27.520 of the reason why we have to unite this country. 0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.920 We cannot allow for this to be happening. We cannot 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.800 be like this. We cannot condone this. And so, and 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.040 I want to thank the Secret Service and all the agency, 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.119 including the state agencies that have been engaged in making 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.800 sure that people and we have more detail to come 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.679 relative to other injured, other people may be injured in 0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.400 the audience. I don't have all that detail. We'll make 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.040 that available to you. I may be able to come 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.240 back to a little later tonight, but we'll put out 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.200 a statement if we don't, if I am not able 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.480 to get it, if it's not communient for you, will 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.199 The bottom line is the Trump rally, the rally that 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.040 he should have been able to be conducted peacefully without 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:10.920 any problem. But the idea, the idea that there's political 0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.800 violence or violence in America like this is just unpard of, 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:18.800 It's just not appropriate. I mean, everybody, everybody must condemn it. Everybody. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.640 I'll keep you informed and if I maybe will speak 0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.920 to the to Donald, I'll let you know that as well. 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:30.400 So far it appears he's doing well. Number one. Number two, 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.240 that there's thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.439 the audience. I have, we have some reports, but not 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.119 final reports, and every agency in the federal government, and 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:45.399 I'm going back to my phone to speak with the 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.760 federal agencies are to be put together again to give 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.879 you an updated breefeas as anything happened. They learning more 0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.680 in the last couple hours. So thank you very much, 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.520 and I hope I get to speak to him tonight 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:57.359 and I'll get you back to you if I do. 0:26:58.000 --> 0:26:59.959 President, Do you think this was an assassination attempt? 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.720 I don't know enough to have an opinion, but I 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.200 don't have any facts, so I want to make sure 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.440 we have all the facts before I make some comment. 0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:11.240 Anymore comments. 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.159 Thank you now again, that was President Biden about an 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.760 hour and a half, almost two hours ago now talking 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:23.240 about the shooting at Donald Trump's campaign rally. And I 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.680 want to turn to you, Rick. We needed the president 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.800 me as Americans needed the president to be presidential, and 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:36.439 we needed him to be clear and concise and able 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.760 to share his thoughts, something I'm having a hard time 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:42.000 doing right now. Clearly, did he pull it off. 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:48.200 Yeah. I think he did exactly what you were suggesting 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.320 that he should do. He was concise, He told the 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.480 American people what he knew to be sure, and didn't 0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.920 speculate on anything else. And I thought it was really striking. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.439 Twice in his remarks he referred to former President Trump 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:07.760 as Donald. I thought, I don't recall him using that 0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:14.480 kind of, you know, conversational remark toward President Trump. And 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.000 and I saw that as a very positive thing. It 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.040 was personal, uh, you know, there was no stiffness to it. 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:22.600 Uh. 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:27.520 And and look, I mean in this situation, the one 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.560 thing we all do know about President Biden is that 0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:37.440 he has a great capacity to care about what happens 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.400 to people. And I think that came out in this 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.400 In this press briefing, he didn't sound like the guy 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.720 who has been battling Donald Trump for the last two years, 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:54.160 if not for the last decade, and and sounded deeply 0:28:54.200 --> 0:29:00.880 concerned about his well being and registered the appropriate amount 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:05.720 of disgust with what occurred in the commitment that they'll 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.640 do everything that can is our government to be sure 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.840 that that doesn't happen again. So yeah, I think he 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.240 did the right thing, and I hope that that kind 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:19.800 of tone and tenor goes beyond today's press briefing and 0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:24.600 can create a more benign environment in the politics. 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.840 That we have. Also, well, we've certainly heard from a 0:29:26.880 --> 0:29:32.000 lot of political appointees, political leaders, world leaders. The Secretary 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.600 of State Anthony Lincoln just releasing this statement, I'm shocked 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.720 and saddened by the shooting at former President Trump's rally, 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:41.920 grateful that he is safe, and as Potus said, as 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.440 Biden said, there is no place for political violence in 0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:47.120 America and we must all condemn it. And for those 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.240 of you who are just joining us, I want to 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.760 get you up to speed on what's going on. Donald 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.920 Trump says he was hit in the ear during a 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.000 Pennsylvania rally. Says it literally pierced to the top part 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.840 of his ear. The shooter is dead, and attendee was killed. 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:05.040 Two are critically injured. Donald Trump says he's fine. He 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.680 was evaluated at a medical facility. President Biden, of course, 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.200 in that statement you just heard, says he wants to 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.080 speak directly with Donald Trump, and then if he's able 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:15.920 to do that, he'll probably get back in front of 0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.200 the cameras and talk again to the American people. The 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:21.640 Secret Services multiple shots were fired from an elevated position, 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:25.400 and of course President Biden, along with so many others, 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.360 saying that there is no place for such violence in 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.959 our American system of democracy. So, Joe Matthew, what are 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.800 you going to be watching for the next I don't know, 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.239 twenty four hours before the RNC really gets ramped up. 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:43.960 Well, when we actually see Donald Trump in public again 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:45.880 is going to be the moment, right, How do they 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.600 handle this tomorrow? What will be the venue, how will 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.080 he appear? Is going to be bandaged? Will he be 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:54.680 joined by his running mate? This is still something that 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.080 has yet to be revealed before the convention. It's also 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.080 something that we could learn at the convention on Monday, 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.520 I suppose, But they don't have too much time to 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.920 make that announcement considering the actual business that needs to 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.280 be had at the convention here, which is why we're here, 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:14.320 the actual nominating process. So I suspect and Rick Davis 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.840 can speak more to this. He's actually one presidential campaign. 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.720 There are probably a lot of people talking about a 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:21.480 lot of different ideas right now about how they're going 0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.120 to do this, and that probably goes for both campaigns 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.640 as well. How does Joe Biden respond to this, knowing 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:30.400 that he's dealing with a lot of issues on his 0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.000 own right now as Republicans gather here in Milwaukee. I 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.440 think you're right, twenty four hours is what we'll spend here, 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.280 probably being fascinated by what we learn. 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.120 Yeah, and the Democratic campaign, the Biden campaign is going 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.200 to have to really reassess too. As we've discussed earlier, 0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:52.080 they've already pulled their commercials, they've already stopped all outgoing 0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:57.440 communication from the Biden campaign, So they're assessing, they're regrouping. 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:00.560 The attention and we talked to about this a little 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.560 bit too. The attention now it's definitely been taken off 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.680 of Biden's mental acuity. Let me ask you, Joe, you 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:11.360 heard him in that press conference. There was no teleprompter there, 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.040 there were no prepared remarks. He came out there and 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.320 sort of shot from the hit oh gosh, sort of 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:17.920 spoke off the top of his head. 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.640 Yeah, I think that's true. Whether they, you know, see 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:24.720 that as a good moment for him, since this seems 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.320 to be a moment by a moment issue for the 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.320 Biden campaign right now, I guess has yet to be seen. 0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.160 But you know, it was fairly early in the day. 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.600 He had a very specific topic, and we know that 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.920 Joe Biden, as the consolar in chief, is pretty good 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:41.280 at this. And you know, as you guys were discussing 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.920 kind of reaching out to Donald which was an interesting moment. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.960 Maybe they wouldn't have done that if there had been 0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.960 a teleprompter in the room. But chalking up wins for 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.760 Joe Biden political wins kind of tough this weekend. 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:55.680 Yeah, no, of course, I want to also update you 0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:01.120 president former President Trump's current whereabouts have not been confirmed. 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:04.640 This is according She's senior Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Sialia Mosen. 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.479 She says, about thirty minutes ago, as we brought to you, 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.320 there was an update from Trump posted on his account 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.440 on truth Social But we don't know exactly where he 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.480 is right now, and that's perfectly fine as long as 0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.160 he's safe. Immediately after the shooting, when he was seen 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:19.280 with blood on his ear in his face, he was speaking, 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.400 and microphones, as we heard earlier, picked up his voice saying, 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.479 let me get my shoes. Let me get my shoes. 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.760 So he is in a safe, secure location. We want 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:34.840 to turn now to Terry Haynes of Pangaea Policy. Terry, 0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.080 we've got a little bit more information. Now. Do we 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:42.280 know that Donald Trump was injured. One rally goer was killed, 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:47.280 Two other rally goers are critically injured. The shooter was 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:50.320 taken down very quickly. If that audio is to be 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:55.000 interpreted that way, What are you hearing at this. 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.680 Point, Well, I'm hearing and looking at all the same 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:04.680 things you're looking at. Frankly, you know, I'm from western Pennsylvania. 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.720 I have some familiarity with that ground and it is 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:13.239 it is fairly you know that stage, aside that that's 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.520 a fairly open area. And I don't know what they 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.680 did in order to secure the perimeter or anything else. 0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:24.720 And I'm certainly not blaming the service for doing their jobs, 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:31.080 but that's a difficult perimeter to defend. And you know, 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.400 I think we're all we're all fortunate that the president 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.520 got out, the former president got out with as little 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:40.959 apparent injury as he did. 0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:44.239 It's interesting that you would bring that up. We were 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.600 talking with one of our reporters who was actually there, 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.520 and she said there were fifteen thousand rally goers, there 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.960 were metal detectors, and that the perimeter had been swept, 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.480 and that it seemed I mean, most people who we've 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.200 talked to about this have said that they were really 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.680 surprised anybody could have gotten up onto an elevated position 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.719 with an ar rifle, an ar style rifle, as the 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:11.680 Secret Service has described it. Clearly, Uh, security is going 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.240 to be beefed up for everybody at this point, no, 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.399 no question about that. But at the same time, it's 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:21.759 not like we weren't worried about this already. And by we, 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.520 I mean the American people. We did a Bloomberg poll 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.600 back in May that showed Democrats, Republicans, and mostly independents 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.000 were concerned that this particular campaign would be marked with 0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:35.040 political violence. 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.200 Uh. Yeah, there's yeah, all those all those things are true, 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.800 and I you know, was subscribed to what you just 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.640 said one hundred percent, I will say on the perimeter, 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.680 and I'm looking at one network that's got a kind 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:52.240 of a Google map style visual of the thing. Uh, 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.000 you know that there's you know, my concern about it 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.680 was as far as the perimeter goes is yeah, they 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.080 I'm sure they swept everybody was in. And at the 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:04.439 same time, it's the stage aside, it's a really open area. 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:06.719 It's not like we're talking about a baseball park or 0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:10.560 something right for the complete enclosure. So uh yeah, I am. 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.840 You know, I'm surprised and saddened to hear that. You know, 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.440 somebody could get rifle access, but even from a great distance. 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:23.520 But my recollection of the places that that you know, 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:28.120 is that might well have been possible. Now that said, 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.200 as far as the as far as the political violence goes, 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.799 you know, we've got a situation for markets, and I'm 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:38.160 always careful to talk about it, talk about things in 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:43.080 a in a market sense. You're still there, I am, 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.120 I am, yes, okay, good because I'm getting one of 0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:49.360 your producers calling me different life anyway, the uh anyway, 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:53.400 the uh, I'm always careful to talk talk with you 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.840 all about market sense. I mean, we're already in a 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.160 situation where there's the highest twe of political risk in 0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:02.000 fifty years, where we're in increased US political instability was 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:07.000 already essentially given for US and world markets, and now 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:13.720 you know that's increased markedly tonight between tonight and between 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.600 the events of the last two weeks with the President 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:21.080 Biden and the Democratic attempts to remove him as the nominee. 0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.239 So you know, this goes well beyond a bad look 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.160 for the United States tonight. There's a lot of people 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:28.600 around the world that are saying that are our friends, 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.280 saying what is exact exactly is going on over there, 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.080 And there was a lot of our enemies that are 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.279 very much cheered by what happened tonight, and that's all 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.480 very bad for markets. 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.759 That is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.040 We have been seeing all of the post's social media posts, 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.400 the releases that have been coming from world leaders all 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.400 condemning political violence, that they all seem to be of 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:54.840 one voice. And yet here we are and we just 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:58.680 had NATO in Washington, d c. Leave just yesterday. You know, 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:03.200 the world leaders with NATO, does this speak to I 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:07.600 don't know our system, how America is right now, the 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:13.160 Biden administration, a future Trump administration. What does this tell you? 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:15.640 You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna take the other side 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:18.920 of the usual rhetoric at a time like this. Uh, 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:23.759 this says, this says I believe, and I would tell 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:29.280 anybody there's there's less here. I don't just I don't 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:31.680 make light of any of this, but I think there's 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.040 a little bit a lot less here than than meets 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.880 the eye. What you've gotten, what you've gotten in American 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.920 politics is a situation where we're purists on both sides. 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:45.480 I'm not going to call them extremists, but purists on 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.000 both sides. Certainly, people who want their way in no 0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:57.360 other way are are over over important factors in American 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.760 political life. When the vast majority, I mean the vast 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:05.560 majority of people in this country want solutions, they want bipartisanship, 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.400 they want people to kind of work and move forward. 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:12.520 I mean, what you've got is, uh, is is people 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.640 on both sides straining is the bit to have everything 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:20.160 their own way, and uh and uh kind of frustrating 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:24.640 that sort of progress. And so what you see both 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:28.160 in the rhetoric, the and the way the rhetoric politically, 0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:32.200 the way politicians pander to it, the way and uh, 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.640 and the events that surround it, uh and again on 0:39:35.680 --> 0:39:38.200 both sides. I think this is is true of what's 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.719 going on with the Democrats and President Biden as it 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.520 is of what happened tonight. What you've got is a 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.120 situation where a lot of that, a lot of that 0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:49.560 sort of spilling out. It's easy to make it into 0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.920 a funhouse mirror where it indicts the entire political system 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:58.640 and in the country at large. I don't think that's true, 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.080 but it's a but it's a very bad moment for 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:06.239 the country, and we have lacked Our politicians on both 0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.680 sides have lacked, among other things, humility for quite a while, 0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:14.480 and they act as if there's no consequences for what 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.120 they might say or do. And it's time for them 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.160 all to understand that there are consequences of these sorts 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.759 of things, and one of the consequences I think we're 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:23.280 seeing tonight. 0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:32.160 President Biden. During his statement earlier, he indicated that he 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:35.640 wanted to talk directly to a former President Trump and 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.839 called him Donald, which I don't know that I've heard 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:40.480 him do that in a long time, especially since the 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.000 campaign has really become so geared up as we approach. 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.040 Remember he called him Donald. Seems like that personal note 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.279 that he was trying to put out there. If you're 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.239 President Biden, what could you possibly say? 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:57.759 I think you say, I'm sorry that this happened to you. 0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:00.200 You know, I feel for you. I hope you're well. 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:04.640 Uh tell me about that, and let's let's well and 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.040 let's let's let's work together. I mean, if I were 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.760 President Biden, what I would say to former President Trump 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.400 is very simply, Uh, let's work together to try to 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:17.400 lower the lower the rhetoric and lower the tone. Uh, 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:24.280 lower the lower, the lower the high tensions. Uh and 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:28.640 uh and try together, uh to create a situation where 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.440 uh where the high tensions of the moment, uh, you know, 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:37.120 don't continue and our lesson to some extent. Uh and uh. 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.520 You know, if I were advising President Biden, that's certainly 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.839 what I would advise him to do, and I would 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:42.480 hope he would. 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.080 Uh. Terry Haynes with Pangaea policy, I want you to 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.120 stand by if if you don't mind, I've kept you 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.720 quite a long time. If you could just take a breath. 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.160 I'm going to turn for just a moment to Jody 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:58.440 Schneider with Bloomberg. She is on the ground in Milwaukee, Jody, 0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.279 just to sort of recap what we've been seeing. We're 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:05.000 getting a lot more information, of course about who's been injured, 0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:10.280 who was killed, a president, former president Trump's status, and 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.400 now we're seeing that BET's on a Trump victory in 0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:16.760 the November elections surged after he posted on truth social 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.160 that he was shot in the right ear when gunfire 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.960 erupted at his rally. Does that at all surprise you? 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.319 It really doesn't surprise me. There tends to be a 0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:28.120 lot of sympathy and things in these kinds of situations. 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.840 And also it plays into president the former president's narrative 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:36.239 that you know, he is tough, he is strong, you 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.000 know this this kind of this happening at a rally, 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:44.279 it has this whole kind of it would appeal very 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:49.640 much to his maga crowd. So that doesn't surprise me. 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.040 Now again, these situations, thinks are you know, very fluid 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.960 at first, you know, you took a poll. Now it 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:57.640 will tell you one thing. A week from now, it 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.840 will tell you something. It could tell you something very different. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.799 But the timing is certainly very interesting, given that he 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.880 is to come to Milwaukee, uh, you know, to for 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.400 this week to be his sort of the real affirmation 0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:14.759 of him as the head of the ticket, the Republican 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.920 nominee and really they head of the Republican Party. 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:18.160 Now. 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.080 So this happened just before he was to come here. 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.600 This is his last rally before he showed up in 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:28.840 Milwaukee for his nomination. 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:30.799 Yeah, this was supposed to be the big gear up 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:35.880 rally before the Republican convention, and at that convention, all 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.239 eyes were on the convention because everybody wants to know 0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.120 who the vice presidential candidate is going. 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.560 To be, right, We thought that was really you know, 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:44.680 that's what we were all trained on at this point 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:46.799 to see what that was going to be. And news 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:49.239 sets a way of kind of changing the narrative, doesn't it. 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.000 But at this point, you know, we're starting to talk 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.520 some people in the field here and there's and the 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:59.080 Republicans who are starting to gather here are telling us that, 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.200 you know, they're very much behind him, and it looks 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.400 like this will bolster it will probably also bolster his funderation. 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:09.960 Oh indeed, I have not even thought about the fundrating. 0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.319 Yet what else are you hearing on the ground there 0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:15.960 in Milwaukee? Are people beginning to gather in the city 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.840 to prepare for the event that begins on Monday already? 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.880 Yeah, there's not big crowds yet. Most of the people 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.120 who are coming, you know, we'll start coming in tomorrow 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.600 and then it really starts on Monday. But we were 0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:31.400 hearing from some Republicans, you know, the registered Republicans saying, 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:33.640 first of all, there's you know, shocks. You don't think 0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.239 something like this is going to happen, but they think 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:41.000 it helps him. It shows that you know there that 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:44.680 there's a lot of people behind him. Uh. And of 0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.120 course we don't know much about the shooter or what 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.960 you know, that will come out in coming days. But 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.080 at this point, I think, you know what the themes 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.560 that we're hearing this early on, and it is early on, 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.399 it's only hours since it's happened, is that a lot 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:04.720 of support for the former president and also the current 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:09.000 president and others law makers and Capitol Hill Democrats and 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.480 Republicans both giving their support, saying this should not be happening, 0:45:13.760 --> 0:45:17.920 condemning this kind of political violence. We heard from President 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.399 Biden into the camera, made statement and had also sent 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.760 a statement and said he was reaching out to President 0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:27.840 the former president when he would hope to speak to 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:28.600 him this evening. 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.360 Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about President Biden's statement. 0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.840 We have been so focused on his age and his 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.960 mental acuity over the past couple of weeks. But he 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.600 came out and made that statement. As far as I know, 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.920 he did not have a teleprompter. He was just speaking. 0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:47.120 Whether it was exemporaneously or not, I do not know. 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.920 But yeah, it's interesting how the narrative changes. Right, We've 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.719 been so focused on that, and in this moment, he 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:56.000 was being kind of the comforter in chief. He was 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.040 the president of the US talking to us at a 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:00.360 moment of shocks. 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:04.440 Significant that he referred to former President Trump as Donald. 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.400 Yeah, it's interesting. You might have thought he would have 0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:12.800 said the former president. But he clearly though, was trying 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.759 to speak in a way that was comforting and that 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:19.560 was condemning violence, that was saying that this has no 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.560 place in America, which is a very kind of presidential 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.120 thing to do. Joe Biden is good in these moments. 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.560 He has been a good comfort in chief. He came, 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:29.640 you know, had a lot of tragedy in his own 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.319 life and with you know, family members, and I think 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.640 he you know, it is something he is he is 0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:39.680 skilled at in terms of these kinds of moments. 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.160 And Jody, I know that you were on short on 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:43.920 time this evening, but I did want to get your 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.759 thoughts on something that we talked about earlier. I was 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:49.640 speaking with Bloomberg's Joe Matthew and he made the comment, 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.440 and I think it's it's important to remember, you know, 0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:54.759 over the next twenty four to thirty six hours, we're 0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:56.719 going to hear a lot of rhetoric. We're going to 0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.080 hear a lot of conjecture. We're going to hear a 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.600 lot of new is going to be coming at us 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.720 full steam ahead. I'd like to know what you because 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.040 this is your gig, this is what you do. What 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:09.120 are you going to be watching for? What's important? 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.000 Yeah, I think we're going to be watching for, first 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:15.840 of all, any news about the shooter and what the uh, 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.120 you know, what what we can find out there about 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:23.799 what the intentions were, perhaps whether this is at all organized, 0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.640 you know, I think that will tell us some things. 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.360 It is also going to be Obviously the security in 0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:35.000 Milwaukee will be very, very tight. It was already expected 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.000 to be tight. What does that mean? What does it 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.600 mean for the schedule in Milwaukee? Things may change and 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.960 there's a lot of events, you know, does this change 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:44.560 that at all? 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:45.279 Uh? 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.040 And also what does this do in in the race? 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:48.480 You know? 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:52.960 Again, what will well, obviously this one would expect that 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.080 the supporters of the former president, this will make them 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.480 even more for supporters. But what does it change anything 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:04.920 about those who are undecided people in swing states? And again, 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:08.320 the current president and how does this affect his chances 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.280 and the situation with him and his party? 0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.840 All right, Bloombrooks, Jody Schneider, thank you so much for 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:15.640 taking the time with us this evening. We've kept you 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.319 a very long time and we appreciate you staying with us. 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:22.840 And we are continuing our coverage of the shooting that 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:27.000 happened at former President Donald Trump's campaign rally. It was 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:30.160 a rally that was designed to sort of gear up 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:33.840 into the Republican National Convention, which kicks off on Monday. 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.640 That's where Jody is. In fact, she's in Milwaukee along 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:40.400 with Bloombergs Joe Matthew getting ready for that convention. Donald 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:43.720 Trump says he was hit in the ear during that rally. 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:47.640 The shooter who opened fire is dead. An attendee was 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:52.440 also killed, and two other people were critically injured. Donald 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:54.799 Trump saying that he is fine, He's been evaluated at 0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.440 a medical facility. And now we are just looking ahead 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.120 to see how this impacts not just the convention and 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:03.719 not just the campaign, but the rhetoric that surrounds the 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:08.080 politics in America today. Turning now back to Terry Haynes 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:12.560 at Pangaea Policy. I asked this question of Joe, I 0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.080 asked this question of Jody, and now I'm going to 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.080 ask you, Terry, over the next twenty four to thirty 0:49:17.080 --> 0:49:19.440 six hours, how do you separate the week from the chaff? 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.200 How do you listen to everything that's going to be 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:26.800 coming at us and figure out what's important and what's 0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:27.560 just noise. 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.840 I think the next twenty four to thirty six hours, frankly, 0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:34.320 is going to be mostly noise and very little signal 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.120 you're going to get. Then you you've referred to a 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:42.279 lot of this already tonight. Yeah, they're going to try 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.360 We're going to try to figure out who the shooter 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.360 was what that person's motivation was. We're gonna We're going 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:52.280 to figure out uh the other, uh, the other damage 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:56.440 that happened to at least one person apparently killed, others 0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:02.320 potentially injured. There's going to be a storyline surrounding, surrounding 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.799 the Secret Service, frankly, about whether they could have done 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.920 anything more or less or anything else. Aside from that, 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:10.560 what you're going to get is you're going to get 0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.839 Trump going to the going to the convention of Milwaukee. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.200 And what I would be looking for, frankly, is whether 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:21.200 Trump takes this as kind of a business as usual 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:24.400 moment or its kind of a triumphalist moment. You know, 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:27.680 we've seen Trump as a politician over the last decade, 0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:31.759 and a lot of what is a lot of what 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.479 his reactions to events have been in the past would 0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:38.000 lead would lead people to a conclusion that he's going 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.760 to be triumphalist. In the convention, tone will get even 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:48.640 shriller and and you know, of shrill, even more shrill 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.799 than it is right now. He'd be wise, though, I think, 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.319 and I'd watch this wise to take a little bit 0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:00.600 more presidential tone and do things to try to lesson 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:05.799 the rhetoric provide a performance very similar to that which 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:07.920 he did in the debate, which frankly, would have a 0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:12.279 broader appeal to the rest of the party which he 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.560 needs and the independence which he needs because right now, 0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.480 unlike twenty sixteen, he's not presiding over a united Party 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.600 and he's not appealing to the majority of independence. He 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:26.920 needs to do that. He can't do that by ramping 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:30.080 up further the rhetoric of US versus them. He can 0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.200 do that by being a little bit more presidential. 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.200 We do have a statement from the Trump campaign and 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.359 the Republican National Committee and would like to read it 0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.880 to you and get your thoughts. As was communicated earlier 0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.560 this evening, President Trump is doing well and grateful to 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.840 law enforcement and first responders for their fast action. President 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:51.359 Trump looks forward to joining you all in Milwaukee as 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.799 we proceed with our convention to nominate him to serve 0:51:54.040 --> 0:51:56.200 as the forty seventh President of the United States. As 0:51:56.200 --> 0:51:58.840 our party's nominee, President Trump will continue to share his 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.279 vision to make America a great again. So we're hearing 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.640 from the campaign, but it seems very vanilla. You know, 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.480 He's okay, He's going to be here. He's grateful. Let's 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.600 move on. That's what it sounds like. Am I wrong? 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:14.320 Yeah? No, you're right. And you know, vanilla is underrated 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:19.840 as a great flavor in politics, and they need to 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.799 put shorter what I did longer a minute ago. They 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:26.480 need a little more vanilla. There's plenty of spice in 0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.480 their candidate. There's plenty of spice in their campaign. They 0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:35.239 need a little more vanilla. And you know, you know, 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.120 like that that great Julie Andrew's character had of a 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:41.279 spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down, and they 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.120 need a little more of that. So you know, that 0:52:44.200 --> 0:52:47.480 might be the beginning of will be beginning of what 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:48.200 I'm suggesting. 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:53.400 Now, there's this thought, and you would be able to 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.680 speak to this better than anyone. I think that we 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.279 we don't dismiss this. This was very, very serious, but 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.719 the candidate's okay, let's move forward. Let's try to do 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:07.719 business as usual, maybe with a little rah rah. I 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:11.000 survive an assassination attempts, sort of like you know, this 0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:14.839 happened to me. I made it through. I'm strong, I'm tough. 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.839 Let's keep going. There's also the school of thought that 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.680 they could make a bigger deal out of it and 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:26.359 use it to not use it, but speak to the 0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:31.280 divisive rhetoric in this country, Like what should a campaign 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.280 do when something like this happens. Do you move forward 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.400 and try to dismiss it at least somewhat or do 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:38.080 you use it? 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:43.040 Well, you use it regardless. But what I would suggest 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:48.400 is that maybe a little counterintuitive to people, you know, 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.600 you use it in this way. People already understand. I mean, 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.960 you know, everybody in the country understand what happened. They 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.200 understand it's a big deal. They understand that Trump just 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:01.560 had a brush with and I you know, I don't 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:06.160 think that that's too much to say he did the 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.359 But I think the last thing you need to do 0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:11.560 is stand on a soapbox and yell all those things. 0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:14.919 Uh they you know, you you you take them in, 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:19.760 you embody them. Uh, but you say, look, let's go forward. 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.480 This only shows how important the issues that we're fighting 0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:27.920 for are. Uh, you know, you know, and and you 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:30.799 know frankly, what we need to do and uh And 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:34.480 the political twist on this, I think is that, uh, 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.640 you say that you are the candidate best able frankly 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:43.160 to you know, move past this moment in politics and 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:45.960 uh and do what needs to be done and uh 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.800 and express how it needs to be done. Uh. It 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.600 is a symptom, I would say, you know that they 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.880 should say, Uh, it is a this is a symptom 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:56.880 of the very kinds of things we need to do 0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:59.720 to change Uh, not just the tone of the debate 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:01.839 and the country, but actually kind of move that move 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:05.920 the country forward. Uh. You put the other side on 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.799 the back foot without without overtly appearing to do it, 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:13.880 and and uh, I think that's that's the tactic that 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:15.000 works best with people. 0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:15.960 Uh. 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:18.400 You know, I would not suggest, just to be really clear, 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.439 I would not suggest that we're in a situation where 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.560 that we would be with almost any other Republican where 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:28.040 Biden's difficulties over the last two weeks mean that there 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:31.480 is a leakage that goes directly from Biden to the 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:35.759 to the other side. There is a huge resistance by 0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:40.080 people even that are marginally for by UH to to 0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.320 voting for Trump. So you're not gonna if you're Trump, 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.480 and you understand that, and you know it, and I 0:55:46.520 --> 0:55:49.400 do think they do the last thing you're going to do, 0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:52.720 the last thing that's going to be beneficial to you 0:55:52.760 --> 0:55:57.120 politically is overdoing it on overdoing it on the politics, 0:55:57.160 --> 0:56:01.839 overdoing it on the uh. You know, we've battled at 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:04.200 the gates of the Lord sort of thing, and you 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.440 know this is a you know, this just just shows 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.000 how wonderful and pure we all are and how terrific 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.200 all this is, and you know how important it is. 0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.160 You don't you know, you don't need to say any 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:17.880 of that. You need to actually disassociate yourself from that 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:21.400 and just say, you know, we're the best position and 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.120 move forward here. And you know, I'm offering my hand 0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:28.800 to people who want to change the country for the better. 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.040 And you know, I think he gets the I think 0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:35.680 he gets much more political benefit out of that than 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:36.400 getting shrill. 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.960 One last question before we let you go, Cherry. The 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:42.520 Biden campaign, they have a fine line that they have 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:42.960 to walk. 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.279 Well, they have a very fine line they have to walk. 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:50.640 I think the president, you know, you know, in terms 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:52.600 of you know, politics is a hard business and his 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:56.040 cold business. And the hard and cold part of this 0:56:56.400 --> 0:57:01.880 is that the president gets to demonstrate his sentience, the 0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.319 fact that he's there, he's with it, and that he's 0:57:05.520 --> 0:57:09.960 you know, responding to this tragedy and dealing with it affirmatively, 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.200 and he gets to use that. So I think you'll 0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:15.640 see a lot more out of the White House. I 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.480 don't think Biden statement is a one off. I think 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:19.040 you'll see a lot more out of the White House 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:22.400 over the next twenty four forty seventy two hours about this, 0:57:23.120 --> 0:57:25.600 what they're doing, how they're investigating, how they're trying to 0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:29.400 move forward, all the rest. The other thing is that, 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:32.640 you know, in the middle of all this, the president 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:36.400 is getting mixed signals from his own party, with some 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:40.000 party luminaries wanting him to go, and many others and 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.720 this guy buried in the news tonight, but many others 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.240 even in Congress, suggesting that he ought to stay. And 0:57:48.400 --> 0:57:52.360 he needs to keep working that and keep moving that forward. 0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:58.240 He is breaking a he's breaking a big convention this 0:57:58.280 --> 0:58:02.680 week by having press interviews, including Monday night with NBC, 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:07.200 and I expect him to keep breaking those norms over 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:10.160 the week. But he's you know, he needs to keep 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:13.720 you know, without respect to Trump, but he needs to 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:17.280 keep showing that he's up to the job. And if 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.720 he does that, and in part by dealing with the 0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:24.800 assassination attempt, you know that best helps him. 0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:29.160 Terry Haynes, Pangaea Policy. On that note, we're going to 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.320 let you have the rest of your evening. Thank you 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:33.880 so much for spending the evening with us, for helping 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:37.080 us bring this down to some manageable proportions. This has 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:40.120 been a very, very interesting and pivotal day on the 0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:43.880 campaign trail, and we thank our audience for staying with 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:48.640 us throughout this. After former President Donald Trump says he 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:51.040 was hit the ear during a Pennsylvania rally when a 0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.040 shooter opened fire. That shooter, now dead, an attendee of 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:57.760 that rally, also killed two other people. The Secret Services 0:58:57.800 --> 0:59:00.360 have been critically injured. Donald Trump says he is and 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.880 that he is ready to attend the Republican National Convention, 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:07.320 which is set to begin on Monday. This rally, in fact, 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:11.919 was the gear up to that convention. We are learning 0:59:11.920 --> 0:59:14.320 from the Secret Service that multiple shots were fired from 0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:18.280 an elevated position at the rally. President Biden came out 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.000 with a statement saying there was no place for such 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:22.800 violence and that he hopes to speak with Donald Trump 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:25.240 in the near future that after he does, he will 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:29.640 have something else to say before the American public. Much 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:31.400 more of this still to come. You've been listening to 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:36.360 continuing coverage of the shooting at the Trump rally in Pennsylvania. 0:59:36.760 --> 0:59:39.680 Thank you for joining us. I'm Amy Morris and this 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:40.360 is Blimber