Episode 94 - Real Scary Stories 4 with Charlotte Chanler

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And welcome back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Another episode of the lunatic radio hour podcast, I am so excited because first of all, our scary story episodes are some of my favorite because they feature paranormal stories from friends and people that we meet online.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're always very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love to talk about the paranormal, but today is extra special because to day I am joined via zoom, not in person, but joined by Charlotte Chandler.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey there, Abby.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>Be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited that you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I love listening to your episodes and it's such a trip to get to be here.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> I feel the same way about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been such a fan of you and your art and your work and all of the things that you do for animals for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's, it's a trip to have you here.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh>

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's take this trip together.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh> there

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<v Speaker 1>We go.

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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, we should tell the listeners about what you do and I don't wanna to be presumptuous.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would love for you to kind of intro yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Of

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<v Speaker 2>Course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm Charlotte Chandler and I am a professional animal communicator and medium.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also an animal Reiki master and I'm based in south Florida currently, but I do the majority of my work, uh, long distance.

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<v Speaker 2>So just like how you, you and I connect with your cat teams, um, over zoom most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're definitely gonna do a deeper episode with Charlotte at some point all about mediumship and what that looks like for her.

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<v Speaker 1>So we won't<laugh> get into the weeds too much, but how did you get into that?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's always been so something that I've been totally interested in, I mean, animals have been the most important part of my life since I can remember.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the idea of talking with my animals is like a childhood dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so many people dream about it definitely is something that I believe wholeheartedly, that we all have the capability of doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just like any other skill, some people are more naturally adapted it or it comes more easily or there's different levels we can reach, but I really didn't know about it formally.

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<v Speaker 2>I just sort of informally was always communicating with animals in the way I think we all are, but it wasn't until I did pursue it professionally and took a mentorship with an animal communicator that I had been using.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked her if she could help guide me towards how I could be doing this in a professional realm and in a way that felt really supported by a teacher as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could ask all the questions I've always had, and that really changed the game for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think not so much in that I wasn't having conversations with animals before, but that I didn't have the confidence to say that I will was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it takes to like a lot of bravery to explore something like that and follow your instincts into something like that when it's not, as I think known, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's like a thing that exists that you can explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, it's still in certain places is hard for me to be with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm working on that because I think it's so important for people to know that it's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love when I get clients who find me or are gifted sessions and tell me that they didn't even know an animal communicator was a thing before.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's really exciting for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's super cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right off the bat, you should all go and follow at horse magic on Instagram because Charlotte's Instagram is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a horse named Salem, who she posts about all the time that we're obsessed with.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're interested in booking a session or learning more, you can visit Charlotte chandler.com.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we will link everything in the description of this podcast so that you guys can find it.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot to tell you this before we started recording, but Allen is on a two day shoot right now where he is recording animal noises.

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<v Speaker 1>What, and he's been sending me this silly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it's for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something for Instagram, but he's been sending me the silliest photos of like a set of like 20 people and a little like animal, like bunny rabbit.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like the sound.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is doing like the boom on the bunny.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, every day there's been like eight animals.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like parrots and some animals, I can't even identify like chin chills, maybe something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's, it's just like so precious and sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear that audio, especially, I love that the animals that you brought up are animals that we don't really often think about what their noises are like bunnies and chin chills.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, it's actually kind of hard to hear them.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> I bet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's probably, you know, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of animals I've found that we consider to be quieter that are actually really loud.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, cats for one mm-hmm<affirmative> um, and then in so many in every movie and like everything that has a horse in it, there's so many added noises and when you're actually with horses, they're incredibly quiet.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh>

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been, and I, he, he burned his hand this morning on coffee and he's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he was talking him to the medic, the medic was telling him this story about living with monkeys and co.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh man, this sounds like such a beautiful, like set of like animal lovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you'll have to tell Alan if they ever want an animal communicator on set<laugh>

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<v Speaker 1>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually don't know the answer to my first question or at all, like how you feel about this, but what something we've done in the past with guests and specifically when the topics are kind of more paranormal and less horror, because we cover a lot of both on this podcast, but I don't know like what you or take is on horror films or if you watch them or have any

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<v Speaker 2>Favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I really do love horror films.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always have, I, when I was younger, I had more of a insatiable appetite for horror.

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<v Speaker 2>I really had no aversion to gore of any kind interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved watching and surgery shows and<laugh> all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>My, my mom thought I would always, she was convinced I'd be a doctor or like an EMT.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I got older and I think I had a few brushes with my own mortality and really the intensity of what I was watching really caught up with me,

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<v Speaker 1>Watching surgery shows as a child really resonated with me because growing up and I don't know why, and this is like a unsolved mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to ask my parents, but I had, and they must have given it to me a VHS of like conjoined twin surgical removals.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would watch it all the, the time, like as if it was Sesame straight<laugh> I don't like what parent gave that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume it was my dad, but like so weird and specific.

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<v Speaker 2>I love imagining your dad just like popping in the VHS.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I can hear the little click of, and like that was so the day and age where, you know, a parent could pop in the VHS and is like, you're a little babysitter for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're like here, little Abby, enjoy these conjoined twins.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely would've been sitting right there with you loving that.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> so funny, but yes, I would love to hear some of your favorite horror movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, starting with the classics, my favorite classic scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>A really could watch that a million times.

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<v Speaker 2>And then more recently, I, I mean one that I think about all the time and just it's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the witch, have you seen that?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really beautiful film.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's stunningly beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the themes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's incredible animal characters.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm<affirmative> I mean, black Philip, I can't get enough.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh> yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Another one that I love is the Baba duck, which I haven't seen lately, but I makes me wanna, re-watch it thinking about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also haven't seen it in a long time, but yeah, well like a really, really strong film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have great taste in horror films.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> also, I don't know if you've heard of, there's an author called bra that Alan really loves and like rewrites classic film or classic stories, but also like Peter pan for instance, but also like writes unique stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And, and I should say they're novels, not like short stories, but there's one specifically called slew foot that I'm currently listening to the audio book of.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very, very similar in vibe to the witch and also has so far like pretty interesting themes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's, you know, it's like very old timey, so there's a lot of animals and farm stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll keep you posted as I get, have like a real form, real opinion on it.

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<v Speaker 1>But so far it's been, it's like a really empowering female protagonist story so far and like a witchy old timey way, which oh,

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<v Speaker 2>FA yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Like<laugh> favorite the setting.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love for you to pass that along.

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<v Speaker 2>And I definitely anything audio that I can listen to is great because I do spend about an hour and a half in the car every day, going to, and from where Salem lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so far I,

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<v Speaker 2>Another horror thing that I've been listening to, I guess it's sort of bridges between horror supernatural.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you know the podcast Tanis?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Or, or the black tapes?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know the black tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the same people that do the black tapes do Tanis and I just love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fabulous.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm definitely gonna check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always in need of a new, I get like in a podcast route where I just listen to like the same two over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited for that.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> speaking of podcast, have you on the paranormal side of things, have you listened to the podcast radio rental?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's, it's interesting because it's done by Lindsay Payne.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's like a pretty big, like true crime podcast guy and Ray Wilson from the office and Ray Wilson plays kind of a, he does like the intros and it's that he works at this old timey radio, you know, uh, like cassette rental place.

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<v Speaker 1>But what the actual core of the podcast is is that they play real life paranormal or unexplained experiences, or just experiences that people have had.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's them telling it in their own voice.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like incredibly affecting.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, some of them are like, oh, I was on a, an airplane with somebody who, you know, was acting weird or it's like, oh, I have this weird glitch in the matrix story that I can't like that has like ruined my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there was a serial killer run in like, so it's really like spans a really broad spectrum, but it's kind of the theme is something unexplained or paranormal or whatever that really stuck with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's actually kind of can get in your head.

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<v Speaker 1>So I try to listen to it slowly and not binge them because it can affect my mood, but that's a really, really good podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, I think kind of similar to what we're doing here today.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I've already written it down, so I'm definitely gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of, should we jump into your specific paranormal story?

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<v Speaker 1>So you we've talked about have some unexplained, some paranormal things that have happened to you in your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh many.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean many things<laugh> I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think for a lot of us, and like you were saying with that podcast, radio rental, a lot of us are paranormal experiences are less than describable.

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<v Speaker 2>They're more these feelings, but I really wanted to share with you, I picked an animal paranormal experience, um, to be on theme<laugh> out of all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to share the story of my dog, Nell and Nell is a rescue dog, a little kind of Jack Russell mix, all white and wiry.

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<v Speaker 2><affirmative> more lamb and monkey than dog, I would say.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh> um,<laugh>.

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<v Speaker 2>And she came into my life when I was in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went to a rescue with a friend who was looking for a dog and had no intention of bringing a dog home.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, Nell was sitting there and looking a door wearable, and I thought, oh, well, I'll just let her out for, you know, while my friend is looking, I could take this dog for a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only could I not take her for a walk, she came out and she literally just started doing donuts, spinning out around me, just my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>Circling me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you think about, um, like people like right using energy or raising vibration in like some sort of people talk about it, like a funnel.

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<v Speaker 2>And it really, she was like creating this insane.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it wouldn't let me leave was just circling me right before I knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even have to think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very, it was just such a serendipitous meeting of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I hadn't intended on doing more than hanging out with her.

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<v Speaker 2>And before she was even done doing her circles, my friend already was like, handing me the paperwork and had been watching us and was like, you're taking this dog home.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh> yay.

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<v Speaker 2>She had a different name when I, when I first adopted her, but literally on the way home.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually she was from, uh, Rhinebeck area where I think you would know<laugh> yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a Jack Russell rescue there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>If anyone out there is looking for a Jack Russell or a Jack Russell mix, it's a really lovely place.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't remember the name of it, but the person who runs it has a wonderful name, uh, Dale mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I bet you could Google her anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So Nell and I, who wasn't yet Nell were driving home from upstate back to long island where I lived at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And literally within the two hour drive, I was just thinking of names for her and, you know, playing around with what it could be.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it took, I don't know, three minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, I Don I even, I can't remember one other name that I came up with.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the first animal I've had in my life that named herself, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just, it's a name I never knew of other than the Jodi foster movie that I'm not particularly attached to<laugh>.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was so out of the blue and it was just in my mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden I was like Nell and it was so her and so Nell, you know, she's always been like that.

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<v Speaker 2>She's always been really natural and I never have had to work really hard to see who she is.

00:15:44.179 --> 00:15:47.039
<v Speaker 2>She always shows me and I had her all through college.

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<v Speaker 2>She came to Savannah, Anna with me from New York.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always say that she really kept me out of worse trouble than I already got into<laugh>.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was really shy too.

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<v Speaker 2>And she made so many friends for me and still to this day, I know so many people that will, I think maybe wouldn't even know my name, but they would be like, oh, Nell, you had that dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of my favorite things about Nell is that when I, which I didn't know about her until we moved to Savannah, is that she loves cemeteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's her absolute favorite place in the whole world.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hadn't ever brought her to one before I moved to Savannah, but I, when I was for a while, I lived on Floyd street that was right next to the colonial park cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is from, I think it started in the late 17 hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>So a really old, quite old for the area and Savannah itself also, I will say is one big cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, every time that they go to build out something new, they discover unmarked grave sites because it used to be a port city.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything was just right along the river.

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<v Speaker 2>And the further they keep going back from the river, the more and more bodies than all kinds of things they find it has such an incredibly rich history of paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it, everything wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of the things that's so beautiful in Savannah is that they really honor cemeteries as places of joy and beauty and of course respect.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's this feeling of invitation.

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<v Speaker 2>The gates are always open.

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<v Speaker 2>People are strolling through, you would feel comfortable getting a coffee and going, sitting on a bench and looking at the beautiful headstones.

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<v Speaker 2>There, there are really places to enjoy yourself and be amongst the dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And have that be more of the every day.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I got in this habit of taking now every day, I've never seen her she's, she could be timid.

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<v Speaker 2>And she had a really hard beginning of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>So she could be really quite fearful.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I brought her to a cemetery, I had to let her off the leash because she would literally be bouncing around like so high in the airs.

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<v Speaker 2>So excited running around, behind tune.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was jumping out like pranking me, and it was just her favorite place.

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<v Speaker 2>So I take her like every single day to the one year, my house, and I've taken her to others that she loves.

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<v Speaker 2>But getting to an incredible paranormal experience is that I took her once.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just popping over to donate some art supplies from the end of semester that I didn't need over to the sweet little school that I hadn't ever been to before.

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<v Speaker 2>And my roommate and I, and Nell popped in our car with our art supplies and came to drop it off and right across from the school that we hadn't been to was also a cemetery we had not yet been to.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were a lot in Savannah, so it's not a surprise, but we thought, okay, let's take a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll let nail off her leash.

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<v Speaker 2>It's her favorite place?

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<v Speaker 2>He went as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was a really, quite a large cemetery too.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember letting her off the leash and her do her normal run.

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<v Speaker 2>And usually she would always frolic and play like a little dear baby, and then come back.

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<v Speaker 2><laugh> when she was ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, and she ran off into the cemetery and I couldn't see her.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was calling her and she wasn't coming back, which was very unusual.

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<v Speaker 2>And unlike her, and I was walk, wandering through this kind of long cemetery and knowing she was probably hiding behind something or sniffing something, couldn't find her for a while, keep wandering and winding through all of these beautiful headstones.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like, I see this little pink tongue<laugh> and she's like, she's really blended in because she's white and she's against all these like incredible white marble headstones.

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<v Speaker 2>And so she's really just almost falling into that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see this little tongue and I'm like, oh my gosh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>There's now.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's standing at up, which she usually doesn't do.

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<v Speaker 2>She was usually really respectful, which is also what I loved about bringing her to cemeteries.

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<v Speaker 2>She would never have like lifted a leg or, you know, jumped on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>She always, she loved the grass and the energy, but she would never mess with anything that felt really important.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was up on the ledge of a tombstone, which she had never done before.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was calling her off and she wasn't coming to me and she wasn't coming off.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I went over to her and I hadn't yet seen the headstone itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And once it came into focus, I saw that it was this huge Marvel headstone and all it said on it was or Nell, Ugh.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God.

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I have so many shivers right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She, me too, honestly thinking about it, it, she really was always a dog that was, I think, had one leg here and one leg on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And of the animals I've ever had after her passing.

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<v Speaker 2>She also felt, um, I think, because she already felt like she was not of this earth.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't really hang around.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes our animals stick around for a while and we can feel them near us.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like, the minute she departed, you know, she had places to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always felt really at peace with that, but seeing her there on the hour now and, and such a unique ETA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, usually there's so much more information, especially in Savannah, others, they're known for having, you know, hilarious and moving inscriptions on them.

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<v Speaker 2>And this had nothing else, not even a date.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very wild.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your reaction in the moment?

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<v Speaker 2>My reaction in the moment was kind of disbelief.

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<v Speaker 2>I was glad that my friend was there with me to see, and he actually took a picture.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll send it to you of her on it because she really wouldn't come down for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was super unlike her.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the same time it was so not a surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so it felt weirdly classic.

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<v Speaker 2>No, L to me,<laugh>, it wasn't even worrying, but it did definitely affirm for me all the feelings I had had about her being a different kind of dog.

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<v Speaker 2>She really, she really, um, helped me see and shift my perspective on death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Like,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am curious too.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's something that people say all the time that animals have this sense right.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the other side or of spirits or of the paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>And, you know, there's all of these jokes about cats and seeing ghosts and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm wondering, you know, I, I guess as someone who is an expert in, in the matter, like how do you think animals and humans maybe differ or are similar in this space?

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<v Speaker 2>Mm that's an awesome question.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot about it actually, where I've landed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the easiest way to explain my experience with it is that, you know, we all know the phrase, like you see what you wanna see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we also don't see what we did not wanna see and animals on the other hand, see what is right.

00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:08.839
<v Speaker 2>And they're not attached in the ways we are to the outcome.

00:24:09.140 --> 00:24:11.720
<v Speaker 2>And they're able to just be a bit more objective.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been plenty of experie in my own life where I can feel where I've gotten afraid and I've shut things out and said like, no, I just can't feel into that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Or I can't open my eyes for that right now, even, and our animals don't have those same preconceived notions.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it's because they don't get to watch all these awesome, horrible as we do or what, but they're, yeah, they're much more able to be accepting.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of how they look at death, it's so different than how we do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of what keeps us from falling head first into just accepting it is that we're accepting our own mortality too.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's really hard for us as people and animals for the most part, don't really

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<v Speaker 1>Have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think humans, to your point often bring either the rejection of this idea of a, like, there cannot be paranormal or kind of like this belief, that everything, right.

00:25:12.931 --> 00:25:21.970
<v Speaker 1>Because it's so hard for us to parse out the things that we experience in media or the things that we're told are acceptable are not acceptable to believe in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, like the hypocrisy of how widespread religion is, but how tab with psychics are, you know, and, and obviously there's a lot of complexity with psychics, but I'm just as an example, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That there's a lot of varying degrees of social acceptability.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that all paints our experiences where people can either write things off or just, like you said, totally be closed, closed to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a, a friend who also has a paranormal podcast and on a recent episode, she was talking about the same exact thing where she went to Fordham and had this really hard time there and had all these paranormal experiences, but it was kind of this chicken or the egg situation for her because she was in a really bad place.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's like, okay, you could say she was in a bad place.

00:26:07.970 --> 00:26:11.700
<v Speaker 1>So maybe these things didn't, and, or you could say she was in a bad place.

00:26:11.701 --> 00:26:13.859
<v Speaker 1>So maybe she was attracting these things to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>There's, you know, I think there's a lot of like unknowns and I love the idea that animals don't have, right.

00:26:20.769 --> 00:26:23.660
<v Speaker 1>That these, all of these different things weighing on them.

00:26:23.661 --> 00:26:25.980
<v Speaker 1>They're just kind of experiencing what they're experiencing.

00:26:26.390 --> 00:26:27.059
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And to that point, I think a lot of us have when we dip into our memory and draw up paranormal experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was thinking about what I'd share with you first scary story, a lot of my scariest stories are from when I was a kid and that's one we're really most in line with almost the way our animals are that we are open in this way and we are not judging.

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<v Speaker 2>And, um, it's a really, really interesting, it, it, yeah, I just love, and I, I think your friend is, um, I, I would love to listen to that podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you say?

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<v Speaker 2>It was called

00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Buried secrets podcast.

00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 1>And it's the most recent episode as of now it's about Finley.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's called maybe a ghost in the basement.

00:27:13.871 --> 00:27:14.630
<v Speaker 1>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll link it also in the description of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that that can, and to your point about things, you know, differentiating whether everything is paranormal or some things paranormal, and I really like to think about the word it supernatural, you know, we'd love to use that word, but when we break it down, it just means like really natural<laugh>, it's, it's super natural.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there are more things like animal communication that are actually more about remembering that we can than about discovering that we can.

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<v Speaker 2>But I definitely resonate with your friend when I too was having a really hard time in college, age years, and all of a sudden it was just one thing after another, you know, one night I was in bed and my ceiling rotted out and fell, my whole bed was just covered with a ceiling that was like rotted out, wet wood covered in magnets.

00:28:20.049 --> 00:28:20.049
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

00:28:20.349 --> 00:28:26.450
<v Speaker 2>And then that same week a air conditioner person came to my apartment to fix the air conditioner.

00:28:27.059 --> 00:28:30.839
<v Speaker 2>His ladder fell out from under him and he was hanging out of the ceiling.

00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:34.160
<v Speaker 2>And luckily I heard him and came and helped him down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>And then my car got broken into, you know, those aren't paranormal experiences, but they are, uh, it's interesting how things energetically align with where we are at.

00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:48.869
<v Speaker 2>And where're wondering, you know, am I manifesting these things?

00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:50.670
<v Speaker 2>And I think we can turn away.

00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:54.869
<v Speaker 2>It's fun to manifest things when we're manifesting like money and luck and love.

00:28:54.970 --> 00:28:59.710
<v Speaker 2>And it's not fun to manifest them when it's like maggots in your bed, but<laugh><laugh>.

00:29:00.529 --> 00:29:05.430
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a really personal journey of, of what feels right to you.

00:29:05.650 --> 00:29:16.259
<v Speaker 2>You know, I, I really do think it's a fine line between what we're calling in and, and taking responsibility for the situations we create in our lives.

00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:33.009
<v Speaker 2>But also being able to navigate, not feeling attached to certain things, or even thoughts that you have, you don't have to claim them as your own and they can just be passing and it can be things that are challenges for you to respond to.

00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:41.970
<v Speaker 2>And not necessarily part of your soul bubbling up when you're thinking about when you're having like an intrusive thought about, you know, stabbing someone or something like that.

00:29:42.250 --> 00:29:42.250
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:29:42.339 --> 00:29:44.009
<v Speaker 2>Which we all know happens.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1><laugh> yeah.

00:29:45.570 --> 00:29:48.529
<v Speaker 1>Especially in New York, it definitely is unavoidable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I think that's really like a beautiful and realistic way to think about just energy.

00:29:58.040 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There is, uh,<laugh> there, I'm in my, like new year's kick right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So forgive me for having like this annoying quote, but there's this quote from caram on eye that has been sticking with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was from, and I also like am hyper aware of like toxic positivity.

00:30:16.690 --> 00:30:21.910
<v Speaker 1>So that's not at all what I'm trying to say with this, but there is this ideal of life is gonna be really hard.

00:30:21.911 --> 00:30:24.309
<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a lot of sorrow and like suffering.

00:30:24.310 --> 00:30:28.269
<v Speaker 1>And that is what life is, but there's also a choice to be made at times, right.

00:30:28.329 --> 00:30:34.299
<v Speaker 1>To try to move towards J joy or to try to move towards these things that make us feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's like a good reminder, you know, again, like we're going to be depressed at times and that's totally fine and we're gonna feel sad and we're gonna feel all these things, but like, it's interesting to think about too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you're feeling like that, the energy that you're putting out to other people around you, or the energy that you're projecting to your animals or your pets or your family or your work.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's just trying to be aware too, of like containing that and harnessing it.

00:30:57.260 --> 00:31:05.650
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's all very connected to the paranormal and to all of this, it's kind of like the same fluid movement of, you know, change of energy, if you

00:31:05.650 --> 00:31:05.809
<v Speaker 2>Will.

00:31:06.190 --> 00:31:09.450
<v Speaker 2>That's such a beautiful way of putting it is the exchange.

00:31:09.670 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think being up for the ebb and flow mm-hmm<affirmative> is at least in my experience, the easiest way to move with it is just recognizing and knowing it'll change either way, but trying your best, not to get sad when it's good, because you know, it's not gonna to be forever<laugh> gotcha.

00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:31.880
<v Speaker 2>And, and, and to be able to sit with the hard times too and see where that leads you.

00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, totally.

00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm with you.

00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>And I also love where I, and I'm loving the new

00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Season, so I know the Austin season has been really needed right now.

00:31:41.029 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>It's been really lovely.

00:31:41.980 --> 00:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh

00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:31:42.619 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm only two episodes in, but

00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.910
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready for more you're in for a treat.

00:31:45.911 --> 00:31:46.109
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:31:46.150 --> 00:31:48.069
<v Speaker 1>I think I like binge the whole thing in two days.

00:31:48.670 --> 00:31:50.670
<v Speaker 1><laugh> Okay.

00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:50.990
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:31:51.049 --> 00:31:53.230
<v Speaker 1>So we, we definitely, I don't know.

00:31:53.269 --> 00:32:18.180
<v Speaker 1>I love talking about this sort of thing with, with you in, in general, because I, you know, even within my own group of people, even within me and a right, we have like very different opinions on paranormal, which is human and natural because of course we are not experts and, you know, and we all have our own views on Mor morality or mortality and death and what life looks like after that, if it does.

00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:25.980
<v Speaker 1>But I love being able to talk to someone who I feel like we are very likeminded about this, which is refreshing every once in a while.

00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:27.089
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

00:32:28.269 --> 00:32:38.730
<v Speaker 2>And I loved that little fian slip of morality because it's also, some people really do feel like it's, imoral to even step into thinking about any of this.

00:32:39.109 --> 00:32:45.970
<v Speaker 2>And, um, the more we can just let everybody have their own experience and not, we, we always want rules for everything.

00:32:45.971 --> 00:32:46.250
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:32:46.390 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>And like, we want it to be cut and dry.

00:32:48.721 --> 00:32:50.759
<v Speaker 2>And like, this is a paranormal experience.

00:32:50.789 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 2>This is not, this is psychic intuition.

00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>This is just anxiety.

00:32:56.700 --> 00:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it, it asks more of us than that.

00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>It really<laugh>, it's a tall order to show up for it and parse it out for

00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Yourself.

00:33:03.881 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

00:33:04.269 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:33:04.700 --> 00:33:05.799
<v Speaker 1>One thing that comes to mind.

00:33:05.940 --> 00:33:12.509
<v Speaker 1>So I, my mom, her, all of the women in my mom's side of the family dating back have been very into spiritualism.

00:33:12.690 --> 00:33:17.230
<v Speaker 1>And I have like my great grandmother's terror or great, great, great grandmother's tat cards.

00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:29.299
<v Speaker 1>And so it's definitely been something that's kind of been part of my like ancestry, which I think is really cool and definitely feels more like my, almost like religious upbringing, anything else because of that.

00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:40.019
<v Speaker 1>And so, you know, me and my mom and my sister have like gone to psychics, like when my sister was 16, she went to a psychic that told her she would marry someone named Steve, which at 31 or whatever she did.

00:33:40.579 --> 00:33:40.900
<v Speaker 1>And it was cool.

00:33:40.901 --> 00:33:45.740
<v Speaker 1>And it's just those say like you, who knows if that psychic was a, a real or whatever, but like, that's a cool story.

00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:53.740
<v Speaker 1>And me and my mom a few years ago went to that same psychic because we were just like, oh, this is the psychic my sister went to, it was like up in Maine.

00:33:53.740 --> 00:34:03.890
<v Speaker 1>Like, let's go again and see, you know, we each had like our own readings and I was just like taking notes after mine, into like a group chat with friends that I had didn't I wasn't even thinking about it.

00:34:03.910 --> 00:34:07.289
<v Speaker 1>And I just like, kind of like listed out the bullet points cuz I didn't wanna forget it.

00:34:07.670 --> 00:34:12.530
<v Speaker 1>And they both like really came at me like psychics aren't real like blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:12.530 --> 00:34:14.690
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, this wasn't the group chat to share it.

00:34:14.690 --> 00:34:15.010
<v Speaker 1>Got it.

00:34:15.090 --> 00:34:17.489
<v Speaker 1>I will send it to a different, you know, noted and logged.

00:34:17.490 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I will send this to a different, and I wasn't even expecting to have that sort of pushback because I feel like I so openly like into<laugh> into the paranormal or all of these different things that people will just expect that from me and maybe like respect it, but it was almost like offensive to them that I did it.

00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And so it's, it is really interesting that people react certain ways, you know, to, to things.

00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 1>And it's good to be, I guess like aware of that and know like what your safe spaces are,

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:43.079
<v Speaker 2><laugh> definit.

00:34:43.699 --> 00:34:43.989
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:34:44.090 --> 00:34:54.510
<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot of vulnerability and also a lot of a strong sense of self to be able to go to a psychic.

00:34:54.789 --> 00:35:01.269
<v Speaker 2>I think a, you have to be able to, to allow someone else to really see you because that's what you're there for.

00:35:01.271 --> 00:35:07.260
<v Speaker 2>And if you're not there for it, then why are even pay the money and you have to be open to being seen.

00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:24.300
<v Speaker 2>And you also have to be strong enough in your sense of self that if that person isn't resonating with you, that you can speak up for yourself or at the very least after the session, not, you know, upend your whole life<laugh> if it wasn't the right fit for you.

00:35:24.769 --> 00:35:24.769
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:25.289
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:35:25.349 --> 00:35:38.929
<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, there is definitely a lot of complexities specifically with psychics and especially in places like New York where this group of friends is, and I understand that, but I also like would hope that people would understand who I am.

00:35:38.931 --> 00:35:39.170
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:35:39.170 --> 00:35:44.090
<v Speaker 1>And respect that I am making an educated decision about who I am going to or whatever.

00:35:44.230 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, that, so yeah, it definitely is.

00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's great advice.

00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 1>You, we, you, there has to be a strong enough sense of self to go into these sort of things and be open-minded potentially, but also be open-minded to the fact that you might not take anything away from that.

00:35:59.601 --> 00:36:00.199
<v Speaker 1>And that's okay.

00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:36:01.539 --> 00:36:04.159
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't have that sense of self, how are you even gonna know?

00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:36:04.469 --> 00:36:12.670
<v Speaker 2>What is resonate or what feels true if you're, you know, that can be a great way to dive in and kind of test out your compass as well.

00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:16.550
<v Speaker 2>But not, not that I'm saying there, I mean, they're definitely in New York too.

00:36:16.630 --> 00:36:18.550
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been to many, a bad St.

00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:21.469
<v Speaker 2>Mark's square St and growing up.

00:36:21.849 --> 00:36:39.340
<v Speaker 2>And I, I think there's like a lot of fun in that, you know, that can be a good test of like where you're at, but for something that so many people don't even necessarily put weight in at the same time, there's an incredibly high standard.

00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:40.139
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:36:40.141 --> 00:36:52.460
<v Speaker 2>Higher than most, any other profession I know of, you know, I could go, I have an incredible doctor, but like, if she makes a mistake on something, I'm not like, you're not a doctor.

00:36:53.260 --> 00:36:53.539
<v Speaker 2><laugh> right.

00:36:53.650 --> 00:36:54.980
<v Speaker 2>This is all lie.

00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:55.659
<v Speaker 2><laugh> right.

00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:57.340
<v Speaker 2>My blood tests are not right.

00:36:57.409 --> 00:36:59.219
<v Speaker 2>Like, nothing is correct anymore.

00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:08.210
<v Speaker 2>You don't even know me, you know, but we do hold, we do hold a psychic to that standard of perfection and everything has to be right.

00:37:08.230 --> 00:37:14.730
<v Speaker 2>And if, you know, if your sister didn't marry someone named Steve was the rest of the reading, not, not true at all.

00:37:14.780 --> 00:37:15.130
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:37:15.579 --> 00:37:15.929
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:37:16.590 --> 00:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's also, you know, there's, I think the fact that my sister married someone to named Steve was incredible, but like, there's also like a million factors that could have happened between the time she was 16.

00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:28.639
<v Speaker 1>And between the time she married someone, you know what I mean?

00:37:28.641 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 1>That like yes, could have changed that outcome.

00:37:30.561 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't necessarily mean.

00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:43.070
<v Speaker 2>And I would, I would be so interested to talk with a psychic who does that sort of work because personally I've never done any, it's so much predictive.

00:37:43.670 --> 00:37:43.670
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:44.949
<v Speaker 2>Psychic work.

00:37:45.090 --> 00:37:52.590
<v Speaker 2>And I'm really curious about that, but I've personally never really gotten anything in terms of names or anything like that.

00:37:52.590 --> 00:38:01.269
<v Speaker 2>But again, most of the conversations I'm having are with animals and it's less, it's much less about like how the course of the person's life will<laugh> right.

00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:01.750
<v Speaker 2>Will lay.

00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.780
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot less names with animals too.

00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:05.659
<v Speaker 2>That's for sure.

00:38:06.219 --> 00:38:06.980
<v Speaker 1><laugh> yeah, exactly.

00:38:06.981 --> 00:38:08.619
<v Speaker 1>There's no Steves with animals.

00:38:08.621 --> 00:38:09.099
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:18.300
<v Speaker 2><laugh> I remember even James said about Allen, like the guy or something<laugh> he was like, who's, what's that guy,

00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:18.940
<v Speaker 1>You know?

00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:19.300
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:38:19.369 --> 00:38:21.699
<v Speaker 1>That one guy that's always hanging around here.

00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:27.050
<v Speaker 1><laugh> it is funny too, because I think with James, not funny, but I guess impressive.

00:38:27.269 --> 00:38:29.449
<v Speaker 1>He knows Alan's voice.

00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:36.050
<v Speaker 1>Like they don't, they have kind of a funny relationship as expected, but like I've had James for almost 10 years.

00:38:36.050 --> 00:38:36.369
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:38:36.371 --> 00:38:42.610
<v Speaker 1>So he, I think is a little bit slower to warm up to people who come in and you know, I've been dating Alan for over four years.

00:38:42.610 --> 00:39:00.519
<v Speaker 1>So they they've now made their peace with each other and they, you know, they have their routine, but more so when Alan is on the phone, Alan's on speaker phone, cuz that's the only way I speak on a phone, James will come over and like nudge the phone and go every single time, like without fault.

00:39:01.179 --> 00:39:03.909
<v Speaker 1>And if it's anyone else, he's very ind friend to it.

00:39:03.911 --> 00:39:06.670
<v Speaker 1>But when Alan and when Alan is here, he's pretty indifferent to him.

00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:11.070
<v Speaker 1>But when A's on the phone, he's like, yes, like let me come over and support this<laugh>

00:39:12.670 --> 00:39:15.469
<v Speaker 2>Which just he's like, this is the right amount of Alan<laugh>.

00:39:15.471 --> 00:39:16.190
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah,

00:39:16.190 --> 00:39:16.590
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

00:39:17.139 --> 00:39:23.510
<v Speaker 1>This is how I prefer to interact with a, but getting back on the paranormal train here.

00:39:23.650 --> 00:39:28.179
<v Speaker 1>So I know you have a few other like paranormal experiences over the years.

00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:29.579
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to talk through those a

00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:29.860
<v Speaker 2>Little bit?

00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:30.780
<v Speaker 2>Definitely.

00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:31.260
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

00:39:31.489 --> 00:39:49.699
<v Speaker 2>Well, I grew up, um, like I mentioned on long island and the area on long island that I grew up on is basically in the woods mm-hmm<affirmative> and it has a really particular energy and the house I grew up in was in it it's exactly where you wouldn't put a house.

00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:55.019
<v Speaker 2>If you were<laugh> anyone clever, it just<laugh> okay.

00:39:55.021 --> 00:39:57.739
<v Speaker 2>The house was built in a valley.

00:39:58.710 --> 00:40:07.969
<v Speaker 2>And so when you are driving along the road, you turn into the driveway and you immediately drop down probably 10 feet<laugh> oh wow.

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.250
<v Speaker 2>Into this, into this sort of like, well, okay.

00:40:11.530 --> 00:40:17.530
<v Speaker 2>Um, and this valley has in it, it was on mill river road.

00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:18.250
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:40:18.309 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 2>And there's MI the mill river itself runs along the road.

00:40:21.561 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 2>That's why it's called it.

00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:35.519
<v Speaker 2>And the river ran through our property and through this valley and sort of pooled out into these ponds, it wasn't a rushing river mm-hmm<affirmative> it was sort of a slow moving, fresh water river.

00:40:35.900 --> 00:40:39.829
<v Speaker 2>And so the river itself actually ran underneath the house.

00:40:39.831 --> 00:40:43.269
<v Speaker 2>Whoever built it, built the house, right on top of the river.

00:40:43.449 --> 00:40:49.550
<v Speaker 2>And when you go into the basement, there was actually a metal plate that you could lift up and the water is rushing right under the house.

00:40:49.750 --> 00:40:49.750
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:40:49.849 --> 00:40:55.590
<v Speaker 2>So the energy of the house, if you could imagine, if you were setting up a horror fell, I feel like this is a pretty good start.

00:40:56.329 --> 00:41:11.739
<v Speaker 2>The house itself was built in two parts in the kitchen and my upstairs where my room is, was the original house that was built probably in the late 18th century.

00:41:11.809 --> 00:41:12.099
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

00:41:12.250 --> 00:41:26.409
<v Speaker 2>Then the rest of the house was added on a hundred or 200 years after, which was like a living room and the upstairs where my parents lived, which weirdly wasn't connected, there was two floors, but there was no way to get between them.

00:41:26.610 --> 00:41:26.610
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:41:27.750 --> 00:41:34.809
<v Speaker 2>And so<laugh>, it was a really, really scary spooky house to grow up in.

00:41:34.811 --> 00:41:37.809
<v Speaker 2>It was always horrifying to be there.

00:41:38.210 --> 00:41:38.409
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I bet.

00:41:38.411 --> 00:41:38.570
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:41:38.869 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 2>At any time of day and I can, could never go up or down the stairs without feeling like somebody was behind me.

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Mm.

00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:54.599
<v Speaker 2>And even now, uh, you know, I, I can talk about these feelings about our house with my mom and she totally resonates too.

00:41:54.601 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:41:55.019 --> 00:42:03.230
<v Speaker 2>But I think she has this hard, hard time accepting it as much because she also is like, this is the house I chose and I, I wanted you to have this beautiful childhood.

00:42:03.670 --> 00:42:03.670
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:42:03.670 --> 00:42:07.989
<v Speaker 2>And so it's hard for her to just like fall fully into us saying like, yeah.

00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:11.309
<v Speaker 2>And how freaking weird and scary was that place.

00:42:11.710 --> 00:42:14.110
<v Speaker 2><laugh> because there, it was magical too.

00:42:14.210 --> 00:42:17.590
<v Speaker 2>The land was magical, but the house was horrifying.

00:42:18.329 --> 00:42:29.179
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, growing up, I definitely grew up in this haunted house with all these weird little cubbies and attic rooms in my part of the house that were totally different than the rest of the house.

00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:36.820
<v Speaker 2>So always this feeling of, you know, going to sleep and then not wanting to open your eyes again.

00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:56.570
<v Speaker 2>And that really continued again, even in Savannah, when I lived there, I had one night of terror<laugh> that was really after, um, you know, I mentioned the hole in the ceiling falling into my lap up.

00:42:56.869 --> 00:43:16.090
<v Speaker 2>So the aftermath of that was that I had to have obviously the whole repaired and the landlord had us, uh, we could stay in the house while this was happening, but I had to clear everything out of my room except for my bed, which was now floating sort of in the middle of the room.

00:43:16.389 --> 00:43:27.559
<v Speaker 2>So all, all the furniture was gone from my bedroom, just a bed in the middle, no anchor like against a wall or anything, no headboard just like mattress on, um, on some legs.

00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>And my roommate was out of town at the time and there's also this huge hole in the ceiling to stare up at.

00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:55.670
<v Speaker 2>And so, so I am in the house alone, I go to sleep and I wake up to the sound of running and we lived the, the bedroom window that I had was out to what they call like a breezeway, the little walkway between our house and the house next to us.

00:43:56.469 --> 00:44:02.260
<v Speaker 2>I heard so distinctly to people running back and forth and back and forth up this breezeway.

00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.539
<v Speaker 2>And it wouldn't be uncommon for someone to walk mm-hmm<affirmative>, I've never heard someone run.

00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.780
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that people were running back and forth kind of freaked me out.

00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:15.300
<v Speaker 2>And I had had, you know, some brushes with<laugh> some unsavory characters.

00:44:15.820 --> 00:44:15.820
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:22.050
<v Speaker 2>So I was already sort of on edge and I heard this running and was hoping it would stop.

00:44:22.630 --> 00:44:33.849
<v Speaker 2>And eventually I willed up the courage to peek out the window and I thought, okay, you'll see some little kids and you can relax and know that you were just being silly.

00:44:34.690 --> 00:44:34.690
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:44:35.070 --> 00:44:37.449
<v Speaker 2>And I look out and there's just absolutely no one there at all.

00:44:38.269 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 2>And the runnings still continues and it is so definitively four different feet.

00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And that probably went on for a good 15 minutes.

00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm already, obviously now scared.

00:44:50.940 --> 00:45:00.550
<v Speaker 2>And I dunno what to do, I think, okay, well maybe I should like go somewhere, but now I'm too afraid to leave the house because my car is through the breezeway.

00:45:00.829 --> 00:45:09.670
<v Speaker 2><laugh> I don't wanna go through the breezeway<laugh> so I'm like, now I'm stuck in the house alone and I'm in this floating bed with a hole covering over me.

00:45:09.849 --> 00:45:14.789
<v Speaker 2>And then I'm that same night finally convincing myself to go to sleep.

00:45:15.630 --> 00:45:24.780
<v Speaker 2>I have my eyes closed and I, I wish I could like, well, I ever wish this feeling on anybody, but I wish you could feel it cuz it's hard to describe.

00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:47.579
<v Speaker 2>But it's the feeling of like just that ice cold, horrifying, knowing that there's someone else in the room with you and the like gutteral instinct that tells you that if you were to open your eyes right now, you'll not only see something you don't wanna see, but you might like never be the same.

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:56.809
<v Speaker 2>Like this is like a catalyst moment and I was just absolute cold sweat and I never opened my eyes.

00:45:57.170 --> 00:46:06.730
<v Speaker 2>I, I don't think I ever went to sleep, but I had a cover over my head and pillows and was on this like creepy floating bed all night until the morning.

00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:13.289
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure I stayed at someone else's house the next night, but that was one wild night in Savannah.

00:46:13.690 --> 00:46:13.690
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:46:13.750 --> 00:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>And um, definitely I, I, I would say, and it was cool getting to go to school there because as we were talking about a lot of people not accepting paranormal experiences, it was really cool to have some formative years in a place that is so encouraging of the expression of paranormal experiences.

00:46:32.739 --> 00:46:43.030
<v Speaker 2>And it was almost like currency, uh, amongst us like, oh, you know, Megan had something crazy happen and, and Steve had something crazy happen.

00:46:43.170 --> 00:46:45.670
<v Speaker 2>And like, I want something to happen to me.

00:46:45.829 --> 00:46:53.230
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I had friends who, who had like full apparitions, like in their room sitting on their bed, like feeling them sitting down.

00:46:53.510 --> 00:46:59.380
<v Speaker 2>I didn't, but I definitely, definitely, I wonder if I had opened my eyes that night, if that might have been the case.

00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:02.019
<v Speaker 2>Definitely those types of feelings for sure.

00:47:02.219 --> 00:47:02.219
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:47:02.221 --> 00:47:03.500
<v Speaker 2>Well I've gotta go to Savannah.

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:04.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:05.380
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

00:47:05.780 --> 00:47:06.460
<v Speaker 2>You would love it.

00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:07.860
<v Speaker 2>I would meet you there in a second.

00:47:08.139 --> 00:47:08.619
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's great.

00:47:08.699 --> 00:47:09.340
<v Speaker 2>I miss it there.

00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:11.699
<v Speaker 2>It it's a really, really cool place.

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.780
<v Speaker 2>And I had so much fun living there.

00:47:13.940 --> 00:47:17.489
<v Speaker 2>I ended up randomly befriending one night, one drunk at night.

00:47:17.510 --> 00:47:22.329
<v Speaker 2>My friends and I were walking out and saw there was, there's obviously a lot of ghost tours there.

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:22.690
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:32.570
<v Speaker 2>And one of my favorite ghost tours operates their ghost tours out of hearses and they cut the top off the hearse and they put the little seats<laugh> um, in the hearse.

00:47:32.570 --> 00:47:35.289
<v Speaker 2>So you're within it, but sort of sitting out of it.

00:47:35.630 --> 00:47:49.800
<v Speaker 2>And we saw one of these hearses, like in the wild park, outside a house and we're being just terrible kids thought it would be so fun to go like sit in the hearse that obviously belongs to someone.

00:47:50.500 --> 00:47:58.989
<v Speaker 2>And luckily we happen to get in the hearse of this incredibly kind person who heard us outside, woke up in the middle of the night.

00:47:58.990 --> 00:48:00.869
<v Speaker 2>Bradley came out totally.

00:48:01.170 --> 00:48:13.190
<v Speaker 2>And, and not only was not mad that we were in his hearse, but then proceeded to, to invite us all on a ghost tour and got in his car, put on his outfit and took us at like two in the morning.

00:48:13.510 --> 00:48:13.510
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

00:48:13.530 --> 00:48:15.190
<v Speaker 2>On a private free ghost tour.

00:48:15.789 --> 00:48:25.420
<v Speaker 2><laugh>, that's amazing around Savannah and you, he became a really fun Savannah friend of ours and um, he bring it back to animals.

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:30.780
<v Speaker 2>He had a wonderful cat named bosy bones who had a super unique animal noise.

00:48:31.289 --> 00:48:34.179
<v Speaker 2>That was very much like a classic ghost noise.

00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.460
<v Speaker 2>He would go like, oh, that's so funny.

00:48:37.570 --> 00:48:38.659
<v Speaker 2>That was his little Meow.

00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:39.260
<v Speaker 2>Oh

00:48:39.380 --> 00:48:39.380
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:48:39.659 --> 00:48:40.980
<v Speaker 1>Bought a spooky household.

00:48:41.380 --> 00:48:41.940
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:43.739
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely.

00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:59.929
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean I loved getting to really, and not be afraid of talking about ghosts or the paranormal or, or death or, I mean all the amazing, gruesome, interesting things that goes on yeah.

00:48:59.949 --> 00:49:00.489
<v Speaker 2>In Savannah.

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:01.050
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Also like I'm struck by your story too, that I feel like so often in probably horror movies, more so than anything else, but in real life experiences as well that, you know, normally what would happen, I feel like is like you a open the curtain to look at the breezeway and the noise stops, but in your case it continued and to like be looking at the source and seeing nothing, it must have been so impactful and jarring.

00:49:24.139 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

00:49:24.579 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 2>It was really hard to even, it was hard to know what to do.

00:49:28.989 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:49:29.539 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 2>It really was.

00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:34.909
<v Speaker 2>And it was, I, I knew that I should didn't go out there.

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:40.550
<v Speaker 2>It didn't necessarily feel malevolent, but it definitely scared me.

00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:40.909
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

00:49:41.010 --> 00:49:45.829
<v Speaker 2>And I wasn't comfortable strolling out and interacting that's for sure.

00:49:46.449 --> 00:49:55.980
<v Speaker 2>It was really wild because I was so I still am so open to those experiences, but when it's actually happening, you have to do a double take.

00:49:56.210 --> 00:49:56.500
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.099
<v Speaker 2>You

00:49:57.099 --> 00:49:57.900
<v Speaker 1>Know,<laugh> for sure.

00:49:58.050 --> 00:49:58.340
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:16.289
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious too, just quickly before we wrap up, I'm curious how you think about a few things when it comes to paranormal as somebody who has, you know, a lot of, I feel like has put a lot of thought into this and has experience with this, which is when we talk out animal communication.

00:50:16.300 --> 00:50:16.650
<v Speaker 1>Right.

00:50:16.670 --> 00:50:25.690
<v Speaker 1>And, and that sort of, I think is like a little bit different from, or maybe it's not, but from paranormal and like people or you hearing the noise of people running in a breezeway.

00:50:25.710 --> 00:50:30.570
<v Speaker 1>So to me that almost feels like maybe like a residual type haunting or something like that.

00:50:30.570 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 1>But I'm wondering if you have any perspective on how you think like people linger after death or, or how their souls, if you will manifest after death.

00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Mm-hmm<affirmative>,

00:50:40.539 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm<affirmative> yeah, I really do.

00:50:43.099 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>And it's something that I, you know, I've obviously thought about it with animals and I've had a lot more animal friends that have transitioned and passed on than I have had human friends.

00:50:54.219 --> 00:51:00.030
<v Speaker 2>And in the past few years I have had more close people in my life who have passed.

00:51:00.329 --> 00:51:08.110
<v Speaker 2>And that has really been so enlightening to me on how, what that is like.

00:51:08.489 --> 00:51:25.780
<v Speaker 2>And my perspective based on my experiences with my loved ones is that I definitely know that certain people, animals, entities do hang around a lot more often than others.

00:51:25.849 --> 00:51:36.099
<v Speaker 2>Like I was saying with Nell, like yeah, people would sometimes describe literally so many people would be like, Nell feels like a Buddha or something like other like spiritual.

00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:44.860
<v Speaker 2>And I really felt like when she passed, I don't know, like she had bigger things to do than hang around and like console us or help us.

00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:46.019
<v Speaker 2>And we didn't even feel like that.

00:51:46.079 --> 00:52:08.449
<v Speaker 2>But conversely, my friend Nico passed a few year, years ago and I, the most physical experience I've ever had with someone on the other side was, um, feeling him, hug me from behind mm-hmm<affirmative> like, it was just like someone came up and wrapped their arms around me and it sh it shook me.

00:52:08.809 --> 00:52:08.809
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:52:08.811 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 2>And it also felt, but with fear, I had the most, I burst into tears because I had the most incredible feeling of love that I've ever felt.

00:52:20.579 --> 00:52:34.710
<v Speaker 2>And it's something that I do experience when I am connecting in mediumship readings with animals on the other side, there occasionally is this like overflow of love that is so intense and so big that it spills out in tears, at least for me.

00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:35.269
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:52:35.369 --> 00:52:36.630
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I do.

00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:43.309
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting to think about that running as almost, um, like an imprint or a memory or an echo.

00:52:43.710 --> 00:52:43.710
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:52:44.099 --> 00:52:48.389
<v Speaker 2>More than it necessarily being like someone out there<laugh> right.

00:52:48.489 --> 00:52:53.099
<v Speaker 2>But sometimes I think it could be I'm open to any of it.

00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.500
<v Speaker 2>And I definitely don't pretend to know for sure any of it either.

00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:19.530
<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, prior to being a medium prior to like accepting these experiences and not just writing them off, I've had a really complicated relationship with death and with dying and with feeling like<affirmative>, how could there possibly be anything it's the it's these lived experiences that have absolutely changed my mind.

00:53:19.909 --> 00:53:37.800
<v Speaker 2>And I can't say for sure, but I will share with you, uh, pony that I talked to a while ago and his person asked, you know, what is it actually like where you are and what is your experience on the other side?

00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 2>And he had this incredibly poetic way of describing it.

00:53:44.260 --> 00:53:49.360
<v Speaker 2>And he said like, he personally wasn't ready to like, let go of who he was.

00:53:50.179 --> 00:54:05.070
<v Speaker 2>And so he would, and I do, I actually experience a difference in some animals feeling more rooted in their physical being and some feeling much coming across almost more like feelings.

00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:07.269
<v Speaker 2>Like I was describing that intense feeling of love.

00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:07.710
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:13.070
<v Speaker 2>More than sharing with me, like their coat color and how it feels to be in their body.

00:54:13.570 --> 00:54:22.780
<v Speaker 2>But this pony was saying he wasn't ready, but that he was standing on the edge of the Abys of peace is how he put it.

00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:28.300
<v Speaker 2>And yeah,<laugh>, which was a really, I mean, it's poetic and kind of scary and incredible.

00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.019
<v Speaker 2>And I've thought about it a lot since he shared that.

00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:40.659
<v Speaker 2>But the way he described it was that there was the ability of having these levels of letting go and letting go of like your persona.

00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:41.099
<v Speaker 2>Right.

00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:47.019
<v Speaker 2>And allowing yourself to be, and there was this feeling of freedom, uh, that came along with this.

00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:54.289
<v Speaker 2>But I mean that particular pony was a hilarious character and he was not gonna go to the Eva peace anytime soon.

00:54:55.130 --> 00:55:05.650
<v Speaker 2>Um, but, but yeah, I mean, I, I don't know, I'll find out one day, but that's, I definitely like to ask the animals what, what they can share about it.

00:55:05.650 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>And I love when, when people are curious in their mediumship readings to ask those types of questions, because of course I'm not the one asking and yeah, I think that it's so incredible.

00:55:18.780 --> 00:56:06.579
<v Speaker 2>And when I still myself get plenty of moments in my life where I'm terrified of dying or I, I ha live with pretty bad, that's gotten a lot better over the years, but I was definitely believed I probably had like five heart attacks every single day<laugh> and, um, back in the day, and it's been through talking to all of these clients of mine and through my loved ones who have been on the other side and through a particular experience that actually just presented itself pretty serendipitously before I was doing professional animal communication, I was focusing mm-hmm<affirmative>, um, still offer Reiki and usually to animals.

00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:15.409
<v Speaker 2>And I got cowed into, uh, a friend asked, you know, I have a friend who's in the hospital and her family's looking for someone to do Reiki.

00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 2>And I really came face to face with exactly what I was horrified of, which was somebody my exact same age, who was healthy and lived a really similar life to me who suddenly was in a coma that led to her death and being able to literally be with her and help her transition changed everything for me.

00:56:44.619 --> 00:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's weird to say, because I never got to spend time with her when she wasn't in a coma.

00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:58.630
<v Speaker 2>You it's like we, I mean, I think of her as my friend, I feel like we shared so many incredible experiences together.

00:56:58.730 --> 00:57:04.349
<v Speaker 2>And like, I smile when I think about her because she had such an incredible energy and it's amazing.

00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:06.550
<v Speaker 2>It was really enlightening.

00:57:06.550 --> 00:57:37.300
<v Speaker 2>Not only to be able to see that I could like play a participating part in this person's tr transition and support her and her family, but also to see how beautiful that could be, how beautiful a hospital room can be made, how joyful it can be, and the amount of love that was surrounding her, it was really, it felt like it's weird to say it felt like a gift, but it was, you know, in my experience, getting to literally face my fear and participate in it and

00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:38.780
<v Speaker 1>Accept it.

00:57:39.090 --> 00:57:39.380
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:40.539
<v Speaker 1>That's really beautiful.

00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.300
<v Speaker 1>It really is moving and difficult.

00:57:43.300 --> 00:57:47.929
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like I have a similar relationship with death and the paranormal.

00:57:47.949 --> 00:57:51.010
<v Speaker 1>And so I, yeah, that feels very transformative.

00:57:51.789 --> 00:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>And I do wanna share with you because something interesting happened when you were talking about your friend, Nico, which is that you described a paranormal experience, almost word for word, the way that my mom describes a paranormal experience and it like gave me E shivers listening to it because my grandmother, my mom's mom passed away.

00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Uh, when she was fairly young, like in her fifties or sixties, she had lung lung disease and it, my mom and her were best friends.

00:58:20.659 --> 00:58:22.039
<v Speaker 1>It was devastating for my mom.

00:58:22.340 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 1>And she was staying at her brother's house near the hospital one night.

00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:30.150
<v Speaker 1>And it was the night my grandmother passed away and I was two.

00:58:30.250 --> 00:58:38.989
<v Speaker 1>So I, you know, I, this was before I really had any awareness of what was going on, but my mom was staying there and was, and we have an episode with her.

00:58:38.990 --> 00:58:45.309
<v Speaker 1>So sh she could say it much more eloquently than I am, but she was feeling just the lowest, right.

00:58:45.311 --> 00:58:47.110
<v Speaker 1>That she's ever felt so depressed.

00:58:47.250 --> 00:58:50.820
<v Speaker 1>So dist so upset, she is falling asleep.

00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:56.460
<v Speaker 1>And there's one of these lights in the room that like a touch light, you know, that when you touch it, it turns on.

00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:12.010
<v Speaker 1>And she just has the most intense feeling of warmth and love that she has ever felt like she went from feeling the absolute lowest to feeling the most like beautiful and encompassing love something.

00:59:12.010 --> 00:59:16.489
<v Speaker 1>She has never felt before the light is on above her, as she was sleeping it.

00:59:16.590 --> 00:59:21.010
<v Speaker 1>And, and she wakes up to this and then gets the call from her dad that her mom had passed away.

00:59:21.010 --> 00:59:26.610
<v Speaker 1>But the literal words she used, uh, like the hug and this, and that is exactly what you just said.

00:59:26.670 --> 00:59:32.039
<v Speaker 1>And I think also having you say that was like, I have always believed my mom and I believe that that happened.

00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:39.639
<v Speaker 1>But having you say that as well is almost validating in this way too, of like, oh, this is a shared experience that multiple people have had.

00:59:39.739 --> 00:59:47.159
<v Speaker 1>And that also makes me feel, you know, a lot better about the possibility of what can happen when we're, you know, when we do pass.

00:59:47.380 --> 00:59:55.269
<v Speaker 1>And similarly, my mom has all, always said that she doesn't think her mom stuck around that she felt like she wouldn't need to.

00:59:55.271 --> 00:59:57.989
<v Speaker 1>And like her dad, she says, she feels like her dad is here.

00:59:57.990 --> 01:00:04.630
<v Speaker 1>And he felt, you know, like maybe he needed to keep an eye on all of us and make sure, but that her mom just like was like, you guys got this and like went on.

01:00:04.630 --> 01:00:09.630
<v Speaker 1>And she, my mom has always felt like that has just always been the case that she has never felt her mom around.

01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.820
<v Speaker 1>And I think that, you know, I have had a few moments in my life.

01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.420
<v Speaker 1>My mom's father is like the only grandparent.

01:00:17.539 --> 01:00:22.340
<v Speaker 1>I really have a relationship with her, had a relationship with, and he passed away when I was in high school.

01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:30.699
<v Speaker 1>And there's been several, he had this very specific smell because he had like this den where he really like spent his time.

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:34.780
<v Speaker 1>He would like watch westerns and like smoke cigars and like have this very specific smell.

01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:35.059
<v Speaker 1>He

01:00:35.300 --> 01:00:36.059
<v Speaker 2>Sounds so cool.

01:00:36.460 --> 01:00:38.139
<v Speaker 1><laugh> yeah, he was, he was super cool.

01:00:38.141 --> 01:00:42.059
<v Speaker 1>He was like a forest ranger and like just the coolest guy.

01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:42.860
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God.

01:00:42.889 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Dreamboat so the, you know, growing up, of course, I only knew him after he was like, kind of aging and elderly, but he had this smell and like, I will smell that smell every so often there was one time I was driving in high school and almost got into a really bad car accident, but didn't, and like that smell came to mind or like, I work in the world trade center in New York, which is like this huge industrial building.

01:01:07.590 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 1>There's no reason<laugh> that anyone is ever smoking a cigar in this building.

01:01:11.201 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 1>They're absolutely not.

01:01:12.699 --> 01:01:15.960
<v Speaker 1>But like in the stairwell of this building before I've smelled that.

01:01:16.019 --> 01:01:23.840
<v Speaker 1>And so it's just like, you know, some of these moments that and re regardless of whether or not that is my grandfather, it doesn't matter.

01:01:23.909 --> 01:01:26.469
<v Speaker 1>It's a reminder of my grandfather to me, you know?

01:01:26.489 --> 01:01:34.630
<v Speaker 1>And so, so I, I do think like, yeah, if anyone was gonna stick around, it was probably him because he also knew, you know, knew us more so than my grandmother did.

01:01:34.650 --> 01:01:47.780
<v Speaker 1>And that you explaining that paranormal experience really gave me a reaction because it is, I'll send you the episode or my mom talks about this, but it's exactly, she described her experience as,

01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:48.340
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

01:01:49.300 --> 01:01:50.980
<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear that.

01:01:51.119 --> 01:02:07.210
<v Speaker 2>And I'm so glad that that resonated and something that came up just, I haven't thought about before, but it's so interesting that this idea of the hug being from behind mm-hmm<affirmative> and this comforting thing, and we, and we picture, you know, the angel and the devil and on your shoulders.

01:02:07.530 --> 01:02:07.530
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:02:07.710 --> 01:02:14.889
<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes, if somebody's talking about your spirit guides, they're also, they're usually like, oh, they're like right behind you.

01:02:15.329 --> 01:02:15.329
<v Speaker 2>Right.

01:02:15.331 --> 01:02:16.610
<v Speaker 2>They're always like supporting you.

01:02:16.710 --> 01:02:29.920
<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting what we were talking about this fear of actually seeing, and if somebody was in front of you, you wouldn't be able to accept it, but if they're behind you and you don't have to look at them, that you can like really feel it.

01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:02:30.721 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 2>That's something I'll chew on, but that's really the positioning of these experiences and how, where physically, we feel them on our body would be really interesting to compare on a broader scale.

01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:59.389
<v Speaker 2>But I was at a seance of a friend of mine who, um, when I, to LA I started going to a psychic circle, which I highly recommend anybody who's interested, definitely go to a psychic circle, even if you've never had an experience at all.

01:02:59.789 --> 01:03:06.269
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm<affirmative>, first of all, you might discover, you have had a lot of experiences once you learn what, what that encompasses, right.

01:03:06.329 --> 01:03:08.219
<v Speaker 2>And the different ways it can come of a out.

01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:10.380
<v Speaker 2>And it's just so darn fun.

01:03:10.860 --> 01:03:20.659
<v Speaker 2><laugh> but I was part of a psychic circle and we did a seance at my friend's house, and we did table tipping, which I don't know if you've ever done.

01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:22.420
<v Speaker 2>That's really wonderful.

01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:32.300
<v Speaker 2>And it's, uh, it's a Victorian method in which you're basically you're hearing and feel everybody has their hands on a table.

01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:39.659
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of times the spirit will come through by tapping the table underneath, and everybody has their hands up.

01:03:39.659 --> 01:03:42.059
<v Speaker 2>We can all see each other's hands and feet and all that.

01:03:42.750 --> 01:03:47.449
<v Speaker 2>The really horrifying part of this particular seance, because they can be wonderful.

01:03:47.469 --> 01:03:52.289
<v Speaker 2>And I think they get a bad rap and, um, seas can be really beautiful and also really weird.

01:03:52.510 --> 01:04:03.480
<v Speaker 2>And personally, I don't find them as, um, as intimate or as meaningful of an experience as I've had in one-on-one to areas.

01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

01:04:04.579 --> 01:04:07.280
<v Speaker 2>So take that in whatever way you will.

01:04:07.579 --> 01:04:13.119
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, this seance, we're connecting and open to anybody coming through.

01:04:14.300 --> 01:04:24.309
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden I am having the worst feeling, you know, and I just told you, I feel like I've had like a bunch of heart attack affect in my life.

01:04:24.469 --> 01:04:27.150
<v Speaker 2>I have anxiety that manifests physically.

01:04:27.269 --> 01:04:30.869
<v Speaker 2>I have the worst feeling that I've ever felt in my body ever.

01:04:31.090 --> 01:04:36.630
<v Speaker 2>It is like, like being cement.

01:04:36.889 --> 01:04:37.550
<v Speaker 2>It was horrible.

01:04:37.829 --> 01:04:43.309
<v Speaker 2>I felt frozen and sick and angry, horrible feeling.

01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:46.579
<v Speaker 2>It kind of swept over the whole group.

01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:54.420
<v Speaker 2>Um, I remember the person sitting next to me, I believe even backed up from the table, took her hands off the table and backed up out of the circle.

01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:01.500
<v Speaker 2>And I was at the point where I was thinking like, I might have to leave and no one had said anything yet.

01:05:02.019 --> 01:05:04.099
<v Speaker 2>And like, nothing had been said, it was just this horrible feeling.

01:05:04.570 --> 01:05:07.050
<v Speaker 2><affirmative> then I finally voice.

01:05:07.070 --> 01:05:09.010
<v Speaker 2>And I say like, I have this terrible feeling.

01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:10.849
<v Speaker 2>Does anybody else feel this way?

01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.409
<v Speaker 2>Another person says they're not feeling the feeling, but they're getting a message.

01:05:14.750 --> 01:05:19.769
<v Speaker 2>And they feel like the person that we're connecting with is in a coma immediately.

01:05:19.869 --> 01:05:28.639
<v Speaker 2>One of the other participants chime, it took all of five minutes and she said, oh, I, yeah, I know exactly who this is.

01:05:28.641 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 2>This is my aunt.

01:05:29.699 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 2>She comes through almost every time that I'm a part of a seance.

01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I should have warned you guys.

01:05:35.179 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 2>She is in a coma.

01:05:37.059 --> 01:05:38.599
<v Speaker 2>She really wants to die.

01:05:39.300 --> 01:05:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And the rest of the family won't let her go.

01:05:41.860 --> 01:05:43.119
<v Speaker 2>And there's just nothing I can do.

01:05:43.739 --> 01:05:48.550
<v Speaker 2>And like, we have to move on, but sickly, she was like, I've tried to talk to this person a ton of times.

01:05:48.789 --> 01:05:50.389
<v Speaker 2>I know what the issue is.

01:05:50.530 --> 01:05:59.869
<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing I can do about it, but I've never, it, it was wild to have somebody almost like impart their experience for a moment yeah.

01:06:00.219 --> 01:06:00.909
<v Speaker 2>Onto you.

01:06:01.130 --> 01:06:01.909
<v Speaker 2>And it was horrible.

01:06:02.329 --> 01:06:08.179
<v Speaker 2>And it really stuck with me to also as another of sometimes healing looks like death,

01:06:08.630 --> 01:06:08.980
<v Speaker 1>Right?

01:06:09.289 --> 01:06:10.179
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

01:06:10.181 --> 01:06:10.460
<v Speaker 1>Right.

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:11.579
<v Speaker 1>Like, you know, it's the same thing.

01:06:11.619 --> 01:06:16.460
<v Speaker 1>I feel like when an elderly grandparent or something, it's like, yes, like it, it was better.

01:06:16.650 --> 01:06:18.539
<v Speaker 1>It's better now that, that, that has happened.

01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:19.019
<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:19.980
<v Speaker 1>That's totally,

01:06:20.300 --> 01:06:20.900
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:24.500
<v Speaker 2>I wish we could all reframe the way we look at it.

01:06:24.530 --> 01:06:27.099
<v Speaker 2>Even<laugh>, you know, I could use that too all the time.

01:06:27.260 --> 01:06:29.539
<v Speaker 2>I, I do my best, but yeah.

01:06:29.541 --> 01:06:36.420
<v Speaker 2>I've been thinking about it a lot with, um, Betty White passing and so many people saying she was so close,

01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:47.409
<v Speaker 1>So close to a hundred and like, that's this focus as, as to like the entirety of the life that's lived, but it's like, oh, she should have made it this last 10 days or whatever it was.

01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:47.969
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:52.210
<v Speaker 1>It's like, that's so the opposite of the point<laugh> yeah.

01:06:52.309 --> 01:06:58.289
<v Speaker 1>And very minimizing of everything that she gave to all of us, you know, through all of the work that she did.

01:06:58.389 --> 01:06:58.969
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah.

01:06:59.289 --> 01:07:00.449
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree.

01:07:01.190 --> 01:07:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

01:07:01.699 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, but at the end of the day, like I'm sure Betty White is totally fine with whatever, but I would not wanna be made into a meme because I was 10 days short of a hundred after my, you know, that is like very cheapening of the life that I lived.

01:07:14.510 --> 01:07:17.199
<v Speaker 2>It's very Western and yeah.

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just so doesn't matter.

01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:29.550
<v Speaker 2>And for some people a hundred is their time and mm-hmm,<affirmative>, there's some people who much younger, there's some, you know, there's friends of mine.

01:07:29.550 --> 01:07:38.150
<v Speaker 2>I've known that like past when we were teenagers and like some people live an incredibly full life at different amounts of time.

01:07:38.329 --> 01:07:44.219
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not, I wish a long life on all of us, but how, but yeah.

01:07:44.539 --> 01:08:00.099
<v Speaker 2>I, I just think we're all so different and mm-hmm,<affirmative>, I hope we can all appreciate like what we do get and have, and are able to experience instead of always feeling like we haven't measured up.

01:08:00.349 --> 01:08:00.699
<v Speaker 1>Right.

01:08:01.130 --> 01:08:01.420
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:08:01.739 --> 01:08:05.489
<v Speaker 1>I think that's our really beautiful way to end that.

01:08:05.490 --> 01:08:05.690
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:08:05.690 --> 01:08:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Like, no matter what, a reminder that we, this is something my therapist actually says to me all the time, which is kind of funny, but she's always like, yeah, you so, like, is this like little thing, the thing you wanna be consuming your energy, if you died today, like, which I know is like maybe a more of a outlook, but it, it does help me with my like anxiety to recenter my priorities a little bit.

01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Right.

01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Cuz I can get kind of like in a thought vortex about something incredibly small.

01:08:33.659 --> 01:08:38.399
<v Speaker 1>And it's the reminder of like, well, no, what are the big things that are going on for me right now?

01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Not the minor things and like, how can I focus on those instead?

01:08:41.779 --> 01:08:58.670
<v Speaker 1>So I think, yeah, you said at it a lot more beautifully than I did, but I, I think that it is a really good reminder that we will all die and that is part of life and accepting that as part of life and knowing that all we can do is try to live the life that we wanna live while we're still here.

01:08:59.149 --> 01:09:00.630
<v Speaker 2>I love that so much Abby.

01:09:00.770 --> 01:09:07.380
<v Speaker 2>And it really makes me think too, of going back to quest sitting, you know, is my grandfather there or is he not?

01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:17.300
<v Speaker 2>And at the end of the day, like what if we spent more time enjoying and being present with the experience instead of always questioning ourselves, if we're even allowed to have the experience exactly.

01:09:17.510 --> 01:09:17.859
<v Speaker 1>Right.

01:09:17.860 --> 01:09:21.220
<v Speaker 1>Like, and that's sort of my stance on all paranormal stuff.

01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.060
<v Speaker 1>If it's not hurting anybody a of course, right.

01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:42.529
<v Speaker 1>That's the base mm-hmm<affirmative>, but if it's not hurting anybody and it isn't intrusive and it isn't all consuming and it gives us peace or it gives us, you know, the feeling of being connected to somebody we miss or whatever it does, that's wonder full and that's beautiful and it doesn't matter to me whether or not it's actually happening.

01:09:42.670 --> 01:09:43.970
<v Speaker 1>It it's just that.

01:09:44.449 --> 01:09:44.449
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

01:09:44.729 --> 01:09:48.090
<v Speaker 1>I got to have that reminder or that experience and that's awesome.

01:09:48.810 --> 01:09:50.050
<v Speaker 2>A hundred percent.

01:09:50.850 --> 01:09:50.850
<v Speaker 1>Yay.

01:09:51.029 --> 01:09:53.770
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Charlotte, thank you so much for being here.

01:09:53.770 --> 01:10:12.439
<v Speaker 1>This has been as expected the best and I am so excited have you on again, and we can talk a lot more about mediumship and other things, but this was just like so beautiful and only you, I feel like can turn like a real scary stories episode into something so beautiful and poignant.

01:10:12.699 --> 01:10:13.800
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for being here.

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much for having me.

01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:20.550
<v Speaker 2>I love chatting with you and I really can't wait till we get to do it again.

01:10:20.850 --> 01:10:22.869
<v Speaker 2>And maybe James will join us sometimes.

01:10:22.869 --> 01:10:23.470
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes.

01:10:24.470 --> 01:10:31.069
<v Speaker 1>Uh, and of course, please follow@horsemagiconinstagramandcharlottechandler.com.

01:10:31.329 --> 01:10:39.109
<v Speaker 1>And I will link all of that in the description, but you guys experience Charlotte with me today, so you know how beautiful and wonderful she is.

01:10:39.130 --> 01:10:41.140
<v Speaker 1>So definit follow her.

01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:43.859
<v Speaker 1>So you're always up to date with the latest and yeah.

01:10:43.860 --> 01:10:55.579
<v Speaker 1>And I should say to just close us out that if you didn't know Charlotte and I were born on the same day in the same year, so we<laugh>, we have always had a kindred spirit connection between us.

01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:56.300
<v Speaker 1>Yes

01:10:56.600 --> 01:10:57.100
<v Speaker 2>We do.

01:10:57.329 --> 01:10:59.100
<v Speaker 2>It's so special to me.

01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:01.369
<v Speaker 2>I you're the only person I now with our birthday.

01:11:01.850 --> 01:11:01.850
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:03.689
<v Speaker 2>And I just love it.

01:11:03.770 --> 01:11:04.810
<v Speaker 2>I love sharing it with you.

01:11:05.250 --> 01:11:05.250
<v Speaker 2>It

01:11:05.250 --> 01:11:05.689
<v Speaker 1>Feels perfect.

01:11:05.850 --> 01:11:06.090
<v Speaker 1>I know.

01:11:06.289 --> 01:11:07.050
<v Speaker 1>I love it so much.

01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:10.050
<v Speaker 1>Thank you all so much for being here as always.

01:11:10.109 --> 01:11:11.810
<v Speaker 1>We are so grateful that you are listening.

01:11:12.350 --> 01:11:19.529
<v Speaker 1>We are going to be back next week with a very big in depth, several part series that we're super excited to share with you.

01:11:19.989 --> 01:11:22.640
<v Speaker 1>So please stay tuned for that until next time.

01:11:22.869 --> 01:11:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Stay safe and stay spooky.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.