WS pitching plans, Bo’s position, Giants officially hire Tony Vitello

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Speaker 1: There he is into the World Series, right, Yeah, well, we have a lot to catch up on. We do have a lot to catch up on. And also there's breaking news basically as we're starting here about Tonyo Btello, which we'll get to in like twenty minutes or so. We're gonna do World Series first. We've covered that story a lot, and we'll definitely get Kip's perspective there. Before we charge Kip, we're gonna talk more. I guess we could do it within the opening segment. I want to talk about Boba Schett and how you try and welcome someone back like that, and then we'll go over the pitching pairing to start the series for the Dodgers. You know what, let's just charge and then we'll put Kip on the hot seat, right charge about all right, so we know that the Dodgers are rolling out the same one too to start the World Series, just like the n I'll see because you know that worked out pretty well for them to Kip. So it's Blake's Snell in game one and it's Yamamoto in game two. First off, your thoughts on what they're rolling out from a starting rotation perspective and how you would try and crack that mess it up and not look like the Brewers did. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope Toronto welcomes Bo Bashad back better than you guys welcome me back. Just throwing me right into the fire, just right into the deep end, immediately, hold on.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, before we get into the pitching.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask you the question then, because because I said, I don't even know if you can welcome Bo back, not that I don't like Boba shit, But then some fans on the comments were like, just put him at second He's never played second base?

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Speaker 3: How hard is that transition before we even dig into the pitcher.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that would be an uncomfortable transition for anybody to switch positions, especially in that big of a stage. It's easier, I guess going from just one side of the infield to the other. I think he's still a good defender enough to where now he's just given more Timebviously, second base is going to be the easier position than the short stop short to throw more time to get the guy out. So I wouldn't doubt that he could make the transition, But uh, it's not the ideal situation, and I do welcome him back, maybe a little bit more than you do AJ, just because I think, uh, what I mean, what do we mean by welcoming back? Like he's one of the better players. He's in You're already probably the underdog in this series, and he's an X factor that can probably give you more on the offensive side if it clicks right away obviously a big if, then maybe what you've been getting from those middle infield positions. So I think you're going for it if you welcome him back.

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Speaker 5: I think I.

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Speaker 1: Think the key here that we've been discussing is George Springer. A lot of the comments to what we bring up have to do with the obvious or according to fans, Springer in the outfield, Barger to third earning Clement to second KF to the bench, that is definitely their best offensive setup if you're bringing Bo back. But wait, George Springer rates as a poor defender. He innings wise, I added it up. I think it was about forty eight games worth if you're going you know about his total innings divided by nine, and most of that was in right field. And I think a lot of Springer playing well this year, especially down the stretch, had to do with him not playing in the outfield. Okay, even with all of that being said, Kip, I'd still throw him out there if I'm getting a big offensive boost. But wait, Springer got clocked in the knee and obviously the biggest swing in you know, the century here for the Toronto Blue Jays, But that doesn't mean that he can man the outfield. Pretty big difference between that and what he can do at the plate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But at the same time, like think about I'm just going off my own which is now we're coming up on almost a decade ago. But like we put Carlos Santana normal first basement out and left field. This is when alnl and pitchers were still hitting and stuff like that. So it's like, if it's an offensive boost, which you're gonna need versus this Dodger team to keep up with them their run scored, I think he gotta just throw them out there. And as far as his knee will be fine, AJ canntestas too.

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Speaker 5: You'll have enough. It's a World Series.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have enough adrenaline and enough doctors on hand, enough stuff to get you through whatever game you need to and feel great for the game.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not really worried about the knee.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so spring in the outfield, bo Dh, I mean, there's still a chance that bo plays shortstop, and he.

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Speaker 3: Know, it's just it's just, you know, Kip.

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Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, when Kyle Schwarber came back for the Cubs and he had missed all year with his you know, it's a different situation for me because Schwarber was never really going to play defense. He was only there to hit, and he'd been getting at bats for a while and the down in Arizona, and I know it's not the big leagues, but when he got thrown back in there, he had been doing it.

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Speaker 3: Boba Shd has not as far as I know. Maybe he's getting a bat here and there, like in sim games, but he's not getting like.

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Speaker 4: Actual game reps at shortstop. He's not getting game rep at bats. It's a different thing. It's just hard to come back for him.

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Speaker 3: Sorry.

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Speaker 2: I think if you if you, if you don't start him, if you don't put him in right away, I don't see how he should really I'm in at all, I guess, And I think that's what AJ is trying to say a little bit unless you have a bats because you're not just going to give him. He's not going to be a late pinch hit. You're not going to use him as a late pinch hit in a big situation when the guy hasn't seen live pitching or hasn't been doing that. So if you're not going to use him then, and if you don't start him at the beginning, then where is he going to come in? So I think you, I think you start maybe game one, game two. It's and listen, you're you're going against an elite pitching staff too. If these are your first at bats back, good luck. But it's it's hard, but anything goes and anything can happen.

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Speaker 5: It's just I.

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Speaker 2: If you're not getting anything maybe from I KF or whoever has been there or something, I'm just going off of what they've been doing. Then it's like you don't really have much to lose. And you tried it early and then you can switch later switch the second half.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to read you have to you're down a couple of games. This isn't right, that's what do you have to lose? You just have this thing called the World Series to lose.

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Speaker 2: Kid, Yeah, and I, but I also don't want to be there if you're down with say you're down three to zero and then you finally put him in and he has a big game, and you're like, well, we should have done this much earlier. So I'd rather know ahead of time or as early as possible, what we have in him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess fair, And I.

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Speaker 1: Know Barger can play third man. He's played really well infield. He's had a great I mean that defensive outfield for the Blue Jays has been really good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I would want to mess with that. And Jim and az An Ikf in the middle are really good too. Yeah, as we get the Ikf whenever they turned the double play, does the.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fly ball percentage is, but I'm sure it's sky high. I mean, the Dodgers are a top three home run hitting team, Like you want the outfield tight. But anyway, let's go over a couple other notes from the series. Mike Petriello putting out some statistics. I thought this one was interesting, And Mike's a big proponent of slug over contact. That's a little precursor here, but he does do really good research on topics like this, where he said the Jays offense has the fourth highest October slugging percentage since nine teen sixty nine. So as much as they make contact, they are also making very good contact. It's damage contact. They're going against Dodgers pitching, which has the second lowest October slug in percentage allowed since nineteen sixty nine. He said, forget small bombss. This series is going to come down to whether Toronto bats keeps slugging versus an elite LA rotation. I mean, that's cool, that's historical information to point out how good the Dodgers have been preventing damage and how the Blue Jays starters right, especially their starters. But I think it's underrated. Like we look at the Blue Jays like it. They're not just hitting. I mean they have singles, but there's a lot of doubles and homers in there too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there are more facing the Dodgers pitching either, right, So starters the facing.

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Speaker 3: Snell Yamamoto.

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Speaker 4: Show, Hey, Glass now they don't give up damage a lot, and Snow we already talked about dominated them earlier this year. I mean Glass now dominated them. He didn't get a decision, but dominated them, y'all. Moto hasn't seen them, so it's a little different, you know, show he hasn't seen him in a few years. But it's a different thing. I mean, listen, we talked about this yesterday. Can the can the Blue Jays starters match the Dodger starters and to make it a battle of the bullpen because both bullpens aren't terrific, And then can the lefties of the dog of the of the Jays who didn't get to pitch a whole lot against the Mariners because they're so right hand dominant, little and flew hardy and if they use lour come in and the gate show, Hey, Munsey and Freddy, that's where it's gonna That's kind of the margins you're looking for if you're the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing also is, Kip, you need a starter to be off right, like those guys are amazing. They're not going to do that every single start. Y'amamoto had a blit, not the last start to start before right the Reds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, against the Phillies.

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Speaker 1: Against the Phillies, yeah, yeah, Reds. He had the first inning issue was more tasker and its fault and then the Phillies got to him a little bit. So you need one of those where it's like, eh, command's not as sharp or he's missing a pitch right now, and then they capitalize.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you need them to be off.

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Speaker 2: But again, this starting rotation is that good at keeping down the slug and you kind of have to force your way to make them off a little bit. You got to take your singles, you got to create a little havoc on the bass pass, you got to find listen. Is this kind of I say this a little bit about like whether the Yankees have done where they kind of live and die too much by the home run ball at times, and you just don't want it all to come down to whether Vladdy hits a home run or Springer hits a home run. You got to create runs in another way and force that pressure. Because if it's coming down and just home runs, this pitching staff does such a good job at eliminating that. So they throw too hard and their stuff's too nasty, So you really got to find other ways to score sometimes and not just count on the long ball.

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Speaker 1: Well, we got a super chat here from Music to My Ears, Shane Bieber has three pitches which could be affected against the Dodgers, but not where he places them curve slider and change ups start low and low seventy percent of the time, or not swinging at low pitches. A Dodger fan here commenting on Shane Bieber's game.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a long ways away. But yeah, listen, one thing about the Dodgers. They don't chase a whole lot. You have to try to get him out on the strike zone or strike the ball, and they do a good job eliminating a lot of different pitches. And that's going to be another thing, Like with even with Gosman, how will they handle that split that he throws right Game two? You savage with the split we saw the Marriers made an adjustment and kind of laid off of that.

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Speaker 3: They got better as they saw him, especially the second time he saw him, right.

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Speaker 4: So can they Can the Dodgers do this for the first time they see a lot of these Dodgers have seen Kevin Gosman a lot because he's been around for so long. So but they Yeah, the Dodgers are really good at this, and the Blue Jays are blue Jays are good at it.

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Speaker 3: The differences between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays.

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Speaker 4: When the Dodgers do it, it seems like they build pitch counts up. The Blue Jays do it by swinging earlier in the count and not getting to two strikes a lot of times, and that's why their contact rate is higher.

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Speaker 1: I think you got to keep with that or don't let those guys get ahead, right they're going to fill up the zone, then go for it. And if it doesn't work out one of the games and a pitch counts that nothing and the guy deals with the complete game, oh well, you know, out of the next all and fall where he wanted it to. It happens.

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Speaker 3: That's just in Canada, right, that's just in Canada. I Fox numbers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw those yet, but I will say, for as much as you don't get the ratings here for the sport, so cool to get all of Canada involved in an event like this. You know. Yeah, I haven't seen this in the twenty first century, so I think it's cool.

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Speaker 5: I actually missed the game, did you? I missed Game seven.

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Speaker 2: I was at Adam Sandler was at the United Center here in Chicago, and I had tickets for a while, so I never put it together. That might line up, but fun show had a great night, but miss missed the exciting game.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mike Petrello put out this tweet on mookie bets. I thought this was well done because we don't always get the context. He said, Game one, A ton will be made of bets three oh six, three fifty eight five ten slash line off. Kevin Gosman that was all bad Baltimore Gossman four twenty nine forty seven seven fourteen was the slash in thirty nine plate appearances from twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen through now bets is oh for fourteen against Kevin Gosman. That's a great call. If we see Kevin Gosman stats pop up, you might want to text your your Fox buddies. Hey, don't fall for the.

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Speaker 3: Don't fall for that Gospels, that banana and the tailpipe trick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good call. That's a completely different Kevin Gosman.

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Speaker 4: Back then, it was a different guy. I faced Kevin Gosman back then. It was a lot different than what he now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I had a when Wade Davis went from Starter to Closer and they're like, oh, you own this guy, go get. I was like, I own Starterway Davis Closerway Davis reversed own.

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Speaker 1: Right, they become a different beast, I mean different. Yeah, pictures evolve. I do think that's helpful. Sometimes that does happen, and we probably get fooled by it where we're like, oh, he's got great numbers. Sometimes it's real. Sometimes it's not we could get fooled in the reverse. Were like I have numbers were okay.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't even matter, and sometimes it doesn't matter.

00:14:56
Speaker 1: Yes, Holop Corner breaking news.

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Speaker 3: It happened.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee head coach Tony Vaytello is now going to be the manager of the San Francisco Giants. Jacob Rudner from Baseball America talking about how this is a landmark move and he's the first manager to be hired directly from the college ranks with no pro experience. Before we dive into this, I just want to let everyone know Baseball America Hotchiet we covered this, so you can go over there later and check out more clips on the topic. We also did a story with Susan Slusser a YouTube clip yesterday, and there was another conversation that we had. But let's keep it going. I'll add one more new bit of news from Bob Nightingale. He said he's going to take a pay cut.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Three point three mil salary and benefits is what he was currently making at Tennessee. Bob said, don't forget Bob Melvin is still on contract for twenty twenty six at four million dollars. I don't really care. I mean, that's pretty common where. But he's just pointing out that, at least according to his sources, Tony Vitelo will make less per season to start here with San.

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Speaker 3: Francisco play pro ball.

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Speaker 1: No, no, he did not.

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Speaker 3: He has no pro experience at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like not even like I could like, at least Murph played a little bit, you know, a Murph coach for a while, and he went from you know, then he was a bench coach before you know, he did a bunch of things in the minor leagues, managed in the minor leagues and stuff before he got a job. But to go right from college to the big leagues, man, I don't know care if you're gonna have talk on this. I didn't go to college. But you don't have to run a spring training in college. You can't threaten kids with today if you don't, if you don't do what I say, I'll make you transfer and take your scholarship.

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Speaker 3: There's none of that. You get what you get in college. You get to pick the players. Man.

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Speaker 4: You get to say I'm recruiting you, and I'm recruiting you, and I'm recruiting you. In the big leagues, they just say, here's your team, go play with them.

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Speaker 1: And it's short term too. In college, I mean in the big league sometimes you might have a guy for ten years. You got to be really careful about how you manage relationships. All right, So enough from us. Kip played college ball and you actually played for Pat Murphy, who did not do this a direct route. Brewers manager spent plenty of time in the big league bench coach a whole deal. But anyway, give us the context of how you think this is going to play out.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to play out. It's going to play out well. But it's because the same way for Murf. Murph is a players manager. He is someone who gets the team together. You want to play hard for him. People guys like playing for Murph. I think that's a big thing here that I've seen with Matello is it looks like guys like playing for him. He's going to have his bumps and bruises on how to run the big league team compared to a college team. Obviously, but this kind of strikes me as and I want to get both yours.

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Speaker 5: Thoughts on this right back to you.

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Speaker 2: Is this a he checks the box of players want to play for him like a murph. But this is also where a new guy with no grounds or no pillars to stand on can kind of be just a yes man for the front office to make the lineups and all that stuff too.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's who we don't know. The most fascinating thing to me is like a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit to me, And I don't want to discredit Ptello before he's even started or anything like that, or saying that he can't make his own moves. But it's like you see a lot of front offices and kind of where the old school where the manager makes all the decisions just isn't isn't around as much.

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Speaker 4: Well, you go for making all the decisions to making almost no decisions, right is from a college to a big league manager. I'm not saying you don't make any decisions, but they're they're limited.

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Speaker 2: But it'll still be a players guy that that enjoys it and looks like he's had success wherever he's gone and looks like guys would like to play for him. So when you can check that box, front office sees that and then they can just do the other stuff that they want to do.

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Speaker 5: The hiring makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that can only take you so far being being a nice guy. I mean, come on, I played for you played for nice guys. I played for nice guys, guys you want to play for. Robin Ventura was the nicest guy in the world, and you want to play for him. But he wasn't a great manager like that. That's to me is you have to have that Joe Madden people love playing for some people hated playing for Joe Madden, but he got the most out of people and he knew how to do that.

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Speaker 2: This guy, I like having a guy with He has managerial experience, whether it's is at the college levels, so you're is gonna have to see the nuances of the game and how different it is from the big leagues to the college game. But I do like someone with managerial experience over maybe say a former player to start right away.

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Speaker 4: My two cents, The biggest thing is who's he gonna hire. Who's he gonna hire as a coach. That's a huge thing. I've got to have veteran coaches, right He's guys, have a veteran bench coach, veteran pitching coaches, Guys that have been around.

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Speaker 3: Because if he just goes out and says, oh, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just gonna bring my Tennessee staff over here, and they're like, hey, spring training starts next week.

00:19:30
Speaker 3: What's the plan.

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Speaker 4: Oh, well, just scrimmage every day like they do in college. Like that's not how it works exactly, you know, like that's where it's gonna be. How do I run a bullpen? You know, in the big leagues you have twenty six guys. In college you have well, it used to be like forty guys. Now it's not a thirty six inning. Yeah, so many more options. You know, guys only pitch once a week. Who do I set up here and there? I'm not I don't have to recruit guy. I don't know it's gonna It's fascinating to me. This is a fascinating hire, good or bad, however it works out.

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Speaker 1: Here's the one thing where I disagree with people that say, why would he lead there? I mean, he's a coach slash manager. Just because he's doing this successfully at Tennessee for years doesn't mean that he doesn't have goals of being a big league manager and winning a World Series. How many kids grow up and say I want to win a World Series versus how many kids grow up and say I want to win a college World Series. You always start with World Series. So I don't want to discount that part, Kip. I mean, is he taking a pay cut? Maybe probably right according to the report, but he might have gotten more than three years, so there's still some security there. And he spent eight seasons already at Tennessee. He's won there, like you kind of accomplished it all. You have to deal with more of the nil crap now, which a lot of college coaches that have a lot of power get pissed about. So it makes sense to me. You get to be under Buster Posey, who is a very different front office exec from most of the others. And he played and he has a lot of respect for the college game. He loved his time at FSU. So to me, it all adds up. It makes sense. And here's the cherry on top for me, Ki Tony Vytello is going to be known forever as the guy that did this, and if he does this successfully, he will pave the way for others to do this and will be a pioneer. That's cool. That's a legacy building moment.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't question at all why he's doing it. I completely understand his side. I comp it is such a big jump, and like you said, the personal goals and aspirations and you want to be a World Series manager and you want to be a major league manager. The guy's taking a pay cut to do it. That is absolutely The goal is to get to the big leagues in any aspect of the sport. So no, I don't question why Vitel's doing it. And there will be the entire rest of the league will be watching how this plays out to see if it can work or not, and then that'll open up the floodgates to more college coaches maybe doing it down the road if this works out.

00:21:52
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Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is the best part of it. Ronnie Mauricio and Me's stand out, you know, rookie sensation. He's been absolutely phenomenal. I like the itch of seeing what you're gonna get, you know, I like prospects I don't love them, but seeing this kind of card is actually absolutely beautiful thing. I know a couple people around town that would absolutely love that card. So there's gonna be a lot of conversations going on here for Arena Club.

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Speaker 1: And what you do is you have it in your digital showroom. If you want to hand it out locally, then cool. You ask Arena Club to send it to you and they do, or you can sell it back like you see there instant offer for one hundred and ninety three bucks. But he's keeping it, And you can do what Todd father does by going to Arena club dot com slash foul and getting twenty percent off your first card purchase or your first slab pack purchase. What do you think is going to be the toughest thing for him at the jump? Like Lancelyn's on this show sometimes and I heard him the other day on the radio say that the speech in spring training for him actually matters more than most because it's different and you just want to hear what he has to say and just the way that he's perceived right from the jump in spring training, like, hey, let's give this guy a chance. He has had a lot of success. Do you think that you know something in spring training really matters, Like what's the moment where it's going to be like, Okay, he's got these guys.

00:23:22
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be good at that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be more comes down to what AJ was saying, more about running a bullpen, running an organization, almost a big league team for the first time, rather than a college team. I think the differences of those, I think is what it's going to come down to. I think he'll get the room behind him and with a good speech, and he'll have the respect of the guys by it before the season starts. But it'll be interested to see maybe in that first month, let's say April comes around, and you see maybe make a couple wrong moves or put in the wrong guys, or start different players that aren't supposed to be starting. It's like that's when you'll start to question it. But going into it, I think he'll be He'll be fine with getting the team behind him.

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Speaker 4: I just I think it starts now. The minute he's hired. He's gonna start having to reach out to guys. I feel like he's gonna start reaching out to Logan Web and Raffie Devers and Williadomas and getting getting them on his side. You know, I mentioned Robin Ventura before. One of the things I think where Robin messed up is my I was there his first year. He didn't call anybody in the offseason because he's like, oh, I didn't want to see act people like I was playing favorites or anything. I'm like, dude, you should have reached out to me and Canerko and some of the veteran guys that had been around for a while to like see what we're thinking and what we like and this and that. He's like, well, I wanted to go into spring training with a clean slate, Like no, like go into it and say, hey, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna call Raffie Devers. I'm gonna call Logan web I'm gonna call Willia Damas. I'm gonna call Matt Chapman, I'm gonna call Patrick Bailey. I'm gonna call these guys that I know I'm gonna be counting on and get and get their feelings and what they what they need from me as a manager, and then go from there.

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Speaker 1: You know, the first thing I'm doing if I'm him once I sign, after I get acclimated with the team and the organization, flying to the dr and having lunch with Ruffia.

00:25:07
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, get to know those guys.

00:25:08
Speaker 1: Hey, dude, you're a big guy. I saw what they did to you in Boston. Not my vibe. I'm a player's guy. I know what this means. Even though I didn't play, I think they did it wrong. And play to what.

00:25:19
Speaker 3: He wants, right, That's what I'm saying.

00:25:21
Speaker 1: How hard is that team will fly you there and take them out to lunch.

00:25:24
Speaker 2: That'll go a long way with your relationship with your team. Doing just even a phone call like that.

00:25:28
Speaker 1: Absolutely Okay, cool, Well, it'll be exciting, fun storyline to watch this giant fessturassing. The Giants have become relevant. They were even this year they were five hundred, but they are more relevant now. They were kind of stuck in the mud in my mind for several years after that twenty twenty one season. It's like, eh, and I think Buster Posey has made this Is.

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Speaker 3: This gonna be more of a Bruce Bochie higher or a Gabe caplor.

00:25:53
Speaker 1: Hire you'll find out, or a little bit in between, but attendance was up big in San Francisco. I give credit to Buster Posey for bringing in stars that people actually want to watch and they can buy some jerseys. Hey render to everyone. The Playmaker's Classic is happening on Tuesday, February eighteenth, twenty twenty six. Four hundred plus packed the event last year, including one hundred current Big leaguer's, former pros, and future stars. This is an opportunity to be close to those players and also, as Will Benson brought up the other day and he'll be there, you get to talk to players about whatever's going on in your world, including any charity initiatives that you have. So I think it's a really cool opportunity to, you know, be around people that want to do good things for the community, and this event is a really cool way to pull that off. Kip, you know Arizona quite well. It's also a good time down there in downtown.

00:26:46
Speaker 5: Some good golf, perfect golf weather around that time too.

00:26:49
Speaker 1: M h. Spring training obviously, so you can go to camps right around. It's like right before when games start and players are it's like the perfect time. Yeah, you get good access there because the players aren't even playing games. Yet they kind of do their thing and then they're excited to be there, so they'll go. You know, they'll be like the roped off areas and they'll spend time there, especially appreciating that people are there before the game starts. Anyway, if you want to check all of that out, go for it. Playmakers Classic. We'll talk more about it as we move along here in the off season, and we'll bring on other players that will be in attendance. Playmakers Classic, More Information Players Trust dot Org. Let's move on here while we have a minute. What did I see here? A little note on Bolpi, the most talked about ady ops plus of all time. Chris Kershner with the tweet, spoke with an orthopedic surgeon about a surgery. Big takeaways that would happen immediately after the quarter zone injections probably indicates how much his shoulder affected his season. That that also means excuses are now over. I disagree. Which has been the same player for three years. It is the same player for three years, Kip. He's also now going to be coming off shoulder surgery, which is actually always almost always an issue for players often coming off shoulder surgery as a bat is usually an issue, And where the hell were the Yankees on this not realizing that his shoulders messed up and it was causing a problem. Like, I don't know. This whole story is trash to me, and if I'm a Yankee fan, yeah, I want to move on.

00:28:17
Speaker 5: Do I think it affected him?

00:28:19
Speaker 2: Yes, But I think if you're good enough to play, that means you're good enough to hit BP, hitting the cage, work on your craft, and you find what works for you that day. So I think this struggle was more than just a soldier shoulder surgery explanation.

00:28:31
Speaker 5: So, like you said, it's been going on for a while.

00:28:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kip eighty one, eighty six and eighty three. That's his ops plus his first three years in the big leagues.

00:28:41
Speaker 2: He just yeah, I mean we saw how good he can be when he plays well. Obviously, anybody it's a no brainer comment, But I just yeah, No, it's there's enough stats now behind it where something's off or something.

00:28:52
Speaker 4: Or he's an eighty or ops plus guy the.

00:28:57
Speaker 1: Guy, Hey, we have a tweet on World Series ticket pricing. Joe Pompliano does a lot of sports bids. He's been on this show. He said, World Series tickets are currently more expensive in Toronto than in LA. Current get in prices Game one eight to seventy five, Game two nine sixty three. Get in prices doesn't necessarily tell you the whole story, of course, but if you want to just get into the building, this is what it looks like. Game three seven eighty eight, Game four seven fifty, Game five seven eighty seven. Those are the three in LA. Then back to Toronto, You're you're looking at close to a grand just to get into the building for what I'm assuming is standing room only.

00:29:34
Speaker 3: I know a guy that can get us in.

00:29:37
Speaker 4: Kevin Pilar, Kevin Polar walk in Superman poss that's right.

00:29:42
Speaker 1: Say I have five of my foul territory.

00:29:44
Speaker 3: Fronts, I have five of my Justice leaguers. Let us in.

00:29:48
Speaker 1: Random, But I heard the previous Superman that just came out like gets he gets like beat up the whole time. I don't know.

00:29:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's Superman. How can anybody beat up?

00:29:59
Speaker 1: So I haven't seen Polar should take over. I'll send you something that was really funny on it. Anyway, this makes sense, right, Toronto hasn't seen this. I mean you played for a team that hadn't experienced this, so you can speak to what this is like. The Blue Jays haven't won since ninety three. The Guardians have never won, slash Indians or not since what.

00:30:21
Speaker 3: I played for a team that didn't win for eighty eight years.

00:30:23
Speaker 1: Dude, I forgot about you, you're O.

00:30:26
Speaker 3: I forgot about me. Sorry, Kip, I mean you're like in the.

00:30:28
Speaker 1: Favorite Cleveland didn't win. I mean you guys won.

00:30:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, it had been eighty eight years, longer than the Red Sox. But kIPS on that track with the Guardians right now.

00:30:37
Speaker 5: Anyways, World Series prices are.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: What was the year for Cleveland forty seven forty A forty seven, Kip.

00:30:48
Speaker 5: Eight forty eight, forty eight.

00:30:53
Speaker 1: Forty eight, I was way off last title in forty eight seventy seven seasons.

00:31:00
Speaker 4: They're chasing down them Bear up there, they're chasing down them Covey Bears.

00:31:04
Speaker 1: Wow.

00:31:05
Speaker 3: Maybe if they change back to the Cleveland Spiders they would win.

00:31:09
Speaker 5: I actually did like the Cleveland Spiders.

00:31:12
Speaker 3: Should they still should have gone for the Steamers. I'm just saying.

00:31:15
Speaker 1: Guardians business train. There's last on my list.

00:31:19
Speaker 5: What I don't like off topic, guys.

00:31:22
Speaker 1: Sorry, but in the breaks in the commercial breaks. We're allowed to do this.

00:31:26
Speaker 3: This is a commercial. We just we just fuck around the Cleveland Steamers.

00:31:30
Speaker 4: Because of the boats in the in the in the train that runs through there.

00:31:34
Speaker 3: It should have been.

00:31:36
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00:33:21
Speaker 3: And they've won every series very easily.

00:33:23
Speaker 1: There's that, But regardless, I do want to get your take, like you're seeing the same reliever over and over again. How much of a factor is that? And clearly there are front offices that should be game planning. Hey, this hitter has seen this picture this many times. Eventually it's going to click. So let's try to avoid that, right, Yes, okay, no matter who it.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: Is, I mean, you should do this in the in the regular season. Kid Kip knows this.

00:33:51
Speaker 4: When you played teams nineteen times, you get the same lefty ten times in a year and you're like, Okay, I bet you I'm.

00:33:56
Speaker 3: Gonna figure out how to get some kind of hit off this guy. Do something off this guy.

00:34:01
Speaker 1: You know, I used to call Mets spring training games for U S and Y, and I remember multiple times we thought that there was going to be one starter and then they were like, nope, Mets are playing the Phillies today. They're having him pitch in the B game or in the back or whatever because they just don't want him to see them and what he looks like in spring training coming up.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: So it's all it's all just more information for the hitter. Think about like a long at bat. He's getting more and more information every pitch. Now, just multiply that when he has more and more at bats versus the guy then and if he's like ag said, if he's tried new things, if he tried ambushing this time, if he tried sitting curveball on the left on left this time, he's just he's gathering information and data, and he's if you don't want it to be in the playoffs, if you're the pitcher where here's a hitter, he might might have finally found the answer to how to get a hit off you, And that's where Aja is saying, it's just there's sometimes it's just time where he's due, He's he tried everything else.

00:34:55
Speaker 5: You don't want to give a hit or too much information.

00:34:58
Speaker 1: Okay, So how do we spin this forward to you the World Series? Like? Is there anything you should keep in mind? My big thing on the Blue Jay side is to use that variety. I don't think that there's a clear cut circle of trust for John Schneider. So I know I pushed this the other day with you, but I'm like, let me see a little Kevin Gossman out of the bullpen on his throat. Ay, let me see Bassett a little bit more frequently, Like, let's just keep throwing different things at the Dodgers. I don't want the same game plan middle innings every time from Toronto. You know, every day Louis Varland is going to give up some dingers. If he's pitching every game in an extended series like this, that's been the case. It's a trend.

00:35:36
Speaker 4: I hate to bring this up for Kip, but like Andrew Miller in twenty sixteen, he already mentioned it like they I mean, Francona wore him out even a rolled as Chatman got worn out until and when Raja hit.

00:35:46
Speaker 3: The home run.

00:35:46
Speaker 4: He was worn out because he don't if they're pitch him every game in multiple innings. It was like, dude, at some point, you gotta give these guys a break.

00:35:53
Speaker 5: It affected both. It affected both.

00:35:55
Speaker 2: H Miller shouldn't have thrown in game five and Chapman shouldn't have thrown in Game six. I think we were a static that we came back enough to get Chapman into the game, even though we still ended up losing six and seven, but we got him into the game on six, and we felt like that was a win in and of itself right there, because he was gonna be more tired. More guys would have seen him then. So there are those little things where you just and you got to have the two different pitchers. You got to have one who can get you an out and one when.

00:36:25
Speaker 5: You need a strikeout. So are there are different ones there too?

00:36:30
Speaker 1: You know who I just thought of. We might have brought him up once a while back on the show. But remember Brandon Morow for the Dodgers.

00:36:38
Speaker 3: There's a blue jac Yeah, but he pitched for the Dodgers.

00:36:41
Speaker 1: He was a blue Jay. At one point. But he pitched for the Dodgers in what was it the twenty seventeen World Series I believe, right, never came back. Yeah against the Astros. Right, well, then yeah, he got ended up getting hurt. And he did say afterward that you know, he was also feeling it a little. I mean, they were, they were going to him every game, and then he wasn't feeling like he had this stuff for one of those games.

00:37:06
Speaker 3: That's what Matt Brash looked like for the Blue Jays at the end.

00:37:08
Speaker 1: I'm running out of gas, I.

00:37:09
Speaker 3: Mean for the Mariners. Yeah, that's why he didn't pitched instead of bizarre.

00:37:11
Speaker 1: Though, they pitched him the day before.

00:37:14
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, but he looked tired, right, some of these guys get tired. Man, you pitch, they don't pitch as much. If you talk to a manager and keep you knows we talk to your managers, I'd be like, oh, he's thrown.

00:37:26
Speaker 3: Three out of four.

00:37:27
Speaker 4: Definitely giving him the day off when the playoffs are like okay, well you can give me one day. You can go four out of five. Men, he pitched in four out of five days regular season, they just were like, hey, don't even take spikes. Today, we're not you're not we'll give up this game. You're down to Yeah, you're down.

00:37:43
Speaker 3: But in the playoffs and then they have to try to get it up, that's.

00:37:47
Speaker 2: Where it's the most important. Uh, the managerially use of a bullpen comes into play. The biggest is the playoffs and especially the World Series. Now you can get away with stuff during the regular season, you guys down because no and no, nobody's going to say no, No pitcher is going to be like I'm hanging today in the postseason. So you're always going to have use of everyone. But it just comes down to how the manager works the bullpen, which Stringsy pulls.

00:38:11
Speaker 1: Mara pitching fourteen out of the Dodgers fifteen playoff games in twenty seventeen. That was his sanity, the trash Can Astros. But yeah, it was five.

00:38:20
Speaker 3: He was hurt before that.

00:38:22
Speaker 1: He was hurt before, I mean the history of his whole career. And then yeah, that was his moment. In the beginning of the playoffs, he was money for them, and I think he started to wear down of course, and then also, I mean World Series twenty seventeen. There's there's a lot to it. There. I mean the game five that he pitched in where he gave up like four or five runs. That game was thirteen twelve exactly twenty five runs in that camp. I remember watching. I was like, is this going to be how baseball is now? But anyway, I just wanted to go over the thought exercise with you guys on how to play this out. The Dodgers definitely seemed to have the easier decision making for Dave Roberts. As long as they continue this, it'll be interesting because we haven't really seen this, Kip. What if a starter for the Dodgers does have a bad day and you have to script the rest of the game or play it out with your believers. So let's say a dude doesn't make it past the second inning and you got to fill a lot of time cursh off.

00:39:21
Speaker 3: And to cover some in.

00:39:26
Speaker 2: They are they are set up so perfectly for so many things with just how good their staff is. It can handle so many different ways of they're rested, they go, the starters go long, so yeah, and then they have guys in their bullpen who are starters and are stretched out as well too, so they really are capable of handling almost each situation, and like if if the starter, let's say game one or two only goes too innings, they're out of the game. Now you bullpen it or you go Kershaw Like you're saying you still have Yamamoto and show, Hey, guys who are willing, who are able to go six, seven.

00:39:59
Speaker 5: Eight, nine innings themselves.

00:40:01
Speaker 2: So that's the luxury of these guys who are just dominating get late in the games all the time.

00:40:05
Speaker 1: Anyways, it's funny if you're in Toronto, you're like, guys, let's let's get one of these starters knocked out so we get Kershaw. Just sounds funny, he did. I mean he always puts up good run prevention numbers, no matter what the stuff.

00:40:19
Speaker 5: Looks like, and that it used to be not got the starter to get to the bullpen.

00:40:24
Speaker 2: Well here's here's a Hall of Famer waiting for you.

00:40:28
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:40:28
Speaker 1: Good, but stuff wise, I mean, you'd much rather face Clayton Kershaw than a good day for Blake Snell, Tyler Glass, now Yamamoto or Otani.

00:40:39
Speaker 5: True, True, I'm just disappointed.

00:40:41
Speaker 3: Show he's only if this game, if it goes seven, it only get to pitch a once.

00:40:44
Speaker 1: No twice, he'll come out of the bullpen in Game seven.

00:40:48
Speaker 3: Do you think his dream give up, give up the DH his dream to.

00:40:52
Speaker 1: Do exactly what he did in the World Baseball.

00:40:54
Speaker 3: Class, It's got to be Kershaw for me.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: I actually think Shotani, as robotic as he is, has one dream right Game seven, World Series, tight game and he closes it out. I actually think that's the thing for him.

00:41:09
Speaker 3: He's talked to the team about on it.

00:41:12
Speaker 1: Well, I like, push, are we getting to a Game seven too soon?

00:41:16
Speaker 3: Sorry?

00:41:17
Speaker 1: I want to bet on it. That's that was I did miss that. Uh, but that's what he wants. Okay, Wait, you think Kershaw is going to close it out.

00:41:25
Speaker 4: I'm saying, an ideal world, if we had Andy McColl on the other day, if they have a lead and a big enough lead, and it's a clinching game, Kershaw's last game and you bring you bring him in.

00:41:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's got to be.

00:41:38
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I understand, but I'm saying five six runs, you say, kursh go close this thing out and let him do it.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: I think that would be the storybook ending. He deserves six plus. Okay, fine, They're up ten to two in the ninth kursh finish this thing.

00:41:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird to say, like the storybook Eddy that he deserves. Like guys had an amazing career, he also deserves the storybook I need as well.

00:42:04
Speaker 3: Yes, some people get it all. Some people get it all, Kip.

00:42:08
Speaker 5: Okay, it would be so cool, you really would.

00:42:11
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, curseh is already. There's one thing Kersh has missed in his career that he didn't get. He didn't get the tyler Glass now body. Okay, but he got the Hall of Fame career, he got the money, he got everything else, but he doesn't have the tyler Glass now body.

00:42:26
Speaker 3: No, he's a proud dad body, I know.

00:42:28
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So you can't really get it all. He got most of it. He just missed that one little thing.

00:42:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he is inspirational, as are many baseball players. You don't have to have a tyler Glass now body to make it to the big leagues.

00:42:41
Speaker 5: I agree.

00:42:41
Speaker 1: That's rowdy, right, there's a lot of guys where you look and you're like, Okay, he's.

00:42:46
Speaker 5: Just firing from the hip today.

00:42:51
Speaker 3: It's been a long week, Kip. You missed you missed a lot.

00:42:53
Speaker 1: To seek apparently welcome to foul thereto.

00:42:57
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of It's been a rough week on the Twitter for me.

00:42:59
Speaker 4: I've been getting people have really hurt my feelings that they're mean words they've said to me.

00:43:04
Speaker 5: I have to take a part.

00:43:06
Speaker 1: If you think about the context. I mean, it's fans just talking rubbish, yes, strategy stuff like whatever. You know. I got a fan going, oh, I mean, did you forget George Springer play the outfield? No, you're watching a thirty second clip on Twitter and we talked about that for five minutes of it and his knee. But thanks for chiming in. Hey, it's FT presented by the new Fox one app. We have some news coming in about the Braves manager spot, which I think is the best job available out of the whatever. The number is still a large number of openings. Scott Coleman, part of our Hammer Territory crew, said Mark Bowman's reporting, it seems the Braves are down to three candidates. Clubs bench coach Ryan Flaherty, Downders bench coach Danny Lahman. Who's the third Somebody send me who the third one is on there? Cut But Mark Bowman also wrote a quote tweet on that and said he confidently, Oh here's the third one, George Lombard, Tiger's bench coach. But he said he confidently removed David Ross, Mark de Rosa, and John Gibbons from the list. I remember when I worked with DeRosa at MLB, that was like what he was waiting for at one point. That was, but that was a while ago. This was when Snicker took over and then ends up staying there for a long period of time. And I don't think. I don't know what the deal is. Maybe he's waiting till his kids are out.

00:44:36
Speaker 3: Too good of a gig right now.

00:44:38
Speaker 1: It's a good gig. And also I.

00:44:39
Speaker 3: Paid a lot of money from MLB to talk really well about MLB on MLB Central, right.

00:44:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a big.

00:44:46
Speaker 3: He gets to go around with Rob Manford and hang out and play golf.

00:44:50
Speaker 1: It's a good gig.

00:44:51
Speaker 4: It's a lot because the Dratetage team USA every year every few years.

00:44:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean he's got a pretty good gig right now.

00:44:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. At some point, when you know, the the channel keeps changing like it does, then maybe he gets interested in the manager role, because I mean the manager roles grind. The very big difference from doing a little bit of TV right a lot more heat. I mean, Braves fans, they've got a great team and a great organization. Braves fans have high expectations, rightfully so, But Kip, whenever I go on like this year, I'll go on a radio station in Atlanta and I'll make just just want to make sure everyone listening here is aware, like the world is not ending. This team won a World Series recently. They're competitive every year. Like, I get it, this is not a good year, but this fan base has experienced really good baseball and almost every way, sorry you didn't have time for that.

00:45:43
Speaker 5: Were spoiled in a good way. They've had such a good Yeah, spoiled.

00:46:01
Speaker 1: Let's slap. And we have a quote that Ken Rosenthal put out there from Max Scherzer on Giants new manager Tony Vitello. By Tello was the pitching coach at Missouri when Max Scherzer was there. I tell he is not that much older than Max. Max is what forty one ish forty two? I tell he's forty seven. But anyway, Max said, I absolutely believe in him. He's to this day one of my closest friends, and I absolutely believe he's going to get it done at the big league level. It sounds like at some point we're gonna have to talk to forty one year old Max about toy Bytello. Max a little busy right now. He's got a World Series that he's going to pitch in.

00:46:41
Speaker 3: M He's a little busier right now.

00:46:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, but mac Max is a big fan of foul Territory as well, so we'll get him probably right after World Series, I would say at this point to recap it right.

00:46:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:46:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:46:54
Speaker 4: By the way, I got a couple of birthdays that we have to shout out. One, Yes, Carbon Burns used to be my favorite player, but not anymore. Two, eat your row. Three Brad Thomas. If you don't know who Brad Thomas is, he was a left handed pitcher. He started came up with the Twins. Was supposed to be on the plane in nine to eleven flying home to Australia, one of the ones that was crashed. Michael Kadyer hit a home run in the Double A Playoffs kept him from being on that plane, so he missed that plane. He would not be here today. So Brad X team made of mind. Great story. And last, but not least, Hector Carrasco. If you don't know who Hector Carrasco is, looking him up. He's a right handed pitcher. He was with the Twins when I came up. He lost his luggage, like on every other charter flight. I never figured it out, and then they'd have to give him money for his clothing his luggage. So every like every third flight, he'd be like, I lost my luggage, and they'd have to give him a check for his clothing. Smart play, A smart play, smart play, Hector. I don't know how you lose your luggage on a charter flight, but he did it often.

00:47:51
Speaker 5: Wow.

00:47:53
Speaker 1: At that door flung open and one bag fell.

00:47:57
Speaker 4: It happened like five times when you were like, Hector out hel, do you lose your luggage on a charter plane?

00:48:02
Speaker 3: Bro? That's good And I literally happened like five times.

00:48:07
Speaker 5: The flight guy's a cut that's how right exactly.

00:48:10
Speaker 1: Flight guys got it in the cockpit, put it down the suet.

00:48:15
Speaker 3: Uh.

00:48:16
Speaker 1: Do you guys know how old is one of guess physics two.

00:48:20
Speaker 3: I just saw him. He looks unbelievably good. I saw him in here in Seattle.

00:48:23
Speaker 1: Wow, he's a workout machine.

00:48:25
Speaker 3: Dude's unbelievable good.

00:48:26
Speaker 1: That guy looks he loves the game as much as anybody I know.

00:48:31
Speaker 3: But I was like, don't you have anything else to do?

00:48:33
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't.

00:48:34
Speaker 3: I mean he gotta have something to do. His whole life is just be like you.

00:48:37
Speaker 4: Going to Clue or to to Wrigleyfield every day and just hanging out like.

00:48:40
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