Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlin Clark’s MVP chances

Joe and Jada

Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by Sheryl Swoopes, four-time WNBA champion, three-time MVP, and the first player ever signed in the WNBA. Sheryl breaks down how Nike approached her about the first-ever women's signature basketball shoe and  how that moment opened doors for every woman who came after her. She talks about growing up in Brownfield, Texas, playing ball with her brother, her mom working the cafeteria and cleaning houses, and why failure was never an option. Sheryl shares the emotional weight of being able to sit down for a nice dinner with her brothers after everything they came from. She gives her take on Geno Auriemma not dapping up Dawn Staley after the Final Four, explains why Black women are always expected to take the higher road, and says that moment put a stain on his legacy. She runs through her top five WNBA players of all time and breaks down why the Indiana Fever have a real shot to win it all with Raven Johnson moving Caitlin Clark off the ball. Joe goes in on J. Cole's one-game basketball career in China, tells stories from his prison basketball league, and Jada announces that he wants in on the next NBA Celebrity All-Star Game.

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10:30 Fat Joe roasts J. Cole's China stint

20:00 Cheryl's Nike signature shoe

31:00 Making it out of a small town in Texas

41:30 Gino Auriemma snubbing Dawn Staley

58:00 Top 5 WNBA players all-time

1:02:30 Lisa Leslie & the growth of the WNBA

1:19:00 Hard Rock Bet: WNBA title, MVP bets

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2026-05-07 74 min Transcript

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Speaker 4: Mayny and mean one of the top fifteen WNBA players of all time?

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Speaker 2: Did you hear me? All time? Ninny? But I want to get one of the top fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying, she touched the eighteen hundred. Til we get the toast, She's already off the eighteen hundred. You shout out the eighteen hundred. Ya get me a glass. I'm white.

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Speaker 4: I can't think the celebrating a birthday recently, a belated birthday, doing this.

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Speaker 2: For the draft. Over the top, over the top.

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Speaker 2: One of the members Rock family. I don't know, I did not know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, eighteen hundred belated birthday, newest member of the Rock family. And we're also toasting to the WNBA the draft. It was beautiful. Shout out to all the young ladies. Who's going to succeed? And hazy, I mean, mm hmmm mm hmm. Let's talk about the draft.

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Speaker 2: Right before we get into all of your accomplishments.

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Speaker 4: What you are going on?

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Speaker 2: How'd you feel about? I watched the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: I put myself on another pedestal because a lot of my friends was calling around, they saying, you know, there's no games on the dollar.

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Speaker 2: It was a harm. Yeah, you're one of my friends.

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Speaker 4: That was But I enjoyed watching the pre draft and I watched the entire draft, the whole thing. And then one of my guys t Dogs shout out to Dobb. He was there with me eating, I'm telling me your dog while she going next and this and that. She's from U c l A, she's from Saint John, she from you Conn and she's from Tempor'.

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Speaker 2: Like now you know, I said, dump, you don't watch what's the female? But after that he's like, yo, I'm gonna start watching it. You Maybe I feel good shout out. The girls got paid. Girls got paid much better. You know.

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Speaker 1: I had a hold, like with the lady who owns the nets Asian lady. I went in for the Josie's wife. Huh, Joe side that the nets and his wife got the libery. Well, his wife is a beautiful lady. And I pulled it to the side that we talked for about a good half an hour, and I was like, Yo, these girls got to get paid.

00:07:37
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, we're paying nobody. I said no, like, hey, are you telling me you responsive?

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Speaker 1: That would be ready, Joe. That wouldn't be that would be cap I'm just telling you all for the young lady. You put your word, whatever you can, whatever you can.

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Speaker 5: What's good is when because for so long, Right like the w started in ninety seven, and I was talking to someone earlier, and I said, in ninety seven, when I signed my contract, I actually was off a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was three seventy five.

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Speaker 5: It was two hundred thousand, fifty thousand of it was from the team, and then the one hundred and fifty thousand was from the marketing and stuff I did for the Wow Shot Day.

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Speaker 2: Right, but it was and then most w NBA players got to go abroad. They got to go.

00:08:33
Speaker 1: By the way, J Cole quit after one game. By the way, you gotta be with me. You gotta be with me, because he ain't a real hooper. And the man thought he could go over there. He donutd the whole ship. They said, by me, he don't. He got no points, no nothing, no exist, no points though they said he had issues out of year bro what And by the way, I'm gonna tell my audience he played with the Chinese monk okay yay yo, listen, hold, listen to me. You know these real actors, they get mad when rappers try to ask that shit. You should be upset because this guy is very famous. He sells out their stadiums. He's one of the greatest rappers of all time, and he think it's a game. So he went out there to play like Yo, I'm Jay Cole.

00:09:30
Speaker 2: He don't ship. Everybody came at me. By the way, I love Ja Kole, Yes I do, Yes, I do. I'm telling you right now, by the.

00:09:40
Speaker 1: Way, I love Jakle just because I speak truth. Do you want me to kiss everybody's asks up? P I gotta have an opinion. I know basketball to the point that I knew that boy was gonna go over there and do nothing. He went over there and did nothing. That because what happens is it's a real league. It's a real is like the G League. Go a little bit better than the G League. So you got retired. Everybody who's the nicest from overseas is over there. Everybody that ain't in you know AI after he was AI or TV. They here, Stephan Mulbury is busting your man. Booby Doll boy cousins, they busting us.

00:10:26
Speaker 2: You coming. J Cole, get the fuck. They ran him out of China comes to the show. Discuss. Let's just discuss, man, let's go.

00:10:43
Speaker 3: It's a real league. It's a real thing. Like if you're not but if you're not.

00:10:49
Speaker 2: Played three so you can donuts for three.

00:10:52
Speaker 3: He didn't get out of here, so he got but he got in the country and his enough, Femie.

00:11:01
Speaker 1: It's a lot, it's a lot. He's stuck up the place. The man he didn't work in a row out of work, that's what that's.

00:11:10
Speaker 2: Get out of here. In his defense, he only played one game. He had two three pointers that he was wide open. I watched him in that. You have a bad game, you gotta stop it.

00:11:23
Speaker 1: You already know when it's a real moment. You need a real bottle. That's why we rock with.

00:11:28
Speaker 2: Eighteen hundred tequila. These people been making tequila for eleven generations. That's a legacy, that's the og status.

00:11:37
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Speaker 2: That speaks for itself. You know, when something is just built right, that's what this is. Real talk, that's just what it is.

00:12:06
Speaker 1: It's always around for the best nights, the winds, the celebrations, remember that night stories.

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Speaker 4: Whether you're keeping it low key with the crew or you pull up to something big. Eighteen hundred fits every sentiendy. It ain't trying too hard. It's just his that eighteen hundred tequila, real legacy, real smooth.

00:12:30
Speaker 2: That's the move. Wow. You know this is the time. You want to know why? Right now, rappers have no more juice in the culture.

00:12:42
Speaker 1: Because the streamers, the streamers, and you know what the streamers, these jump boys are doing now they winning streaming, you know what, because they show their flaws and they show what's fucked up, and they show when they win, and you gotta stream. But he fucking idolizes a rat. He comes puts them on the streaming. You got other streamers. You got one guy who was on Instagram.

00:13:05
Speaker 2: You see the guy.

00:13:07
Speaker 1: The guy looked like fucking Dwight Howard, who was the guy that was racing cars and animal he but he raced against the streamer. Did the guy said this? The real shit, This ain't Instagram chopped up at it. He beat him three times in a row. So the point is, you can't do the ship Master P got away with in eighty eight, coming up in there and picking for him.

00:13:29
Speaker 2: They're giving them. You can't do that. Jato went over there and we saw through what really was going on, and they.

00:13:38
Speaker 1: Left them one bonup to Master B came to the rookie and they scored one point.

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Speaker 2: I watched him with my own eye, double dish. I'm not talking on the ship. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I watched her who.

00:13:49
Speaker 1: I watched Jacob when he was playing in Africa. I was up at four in the morning watching its too. I knew he was anyway, Jacob, we love you.

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Speaker 4: I know what he did.

00:14:00
Speaker 2: He he ain't doing fucking know what he did, but he's always called you. I love J Cole.

00:14:07
Speaker 1: I told you I love J Cole. But I gotta speak the truth. Your people don't want me to speak the truth up here.

00:14:13
Speaker 2: Let's can't sit up here live. Let's get off of that's all right.

00:14:19
Speaker 3: But the one game he played in what what did he do?

00:14:22
Speaker 2: Zero?

00:14:23
Speaker 1: Everything he miss miss He hit the fucking number on the top twenty four he had a wide open three sixteen hour flight.

00:14:34
Speaker 2: You're a rapper.

00:14:35
Speaker 1: You never this guy wants to feature he give this guy wants to feature anything.

00:14:40
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Is one game, if he played the efforts, he's in the quotas, he's in it. That boy right you know, next waved him one game. They said, yo, you know why man, you stunk up the blade man. They waved him after one game.

00:14:56
Speaker 2: One way.

00:14:57
Speaker 1: When I tell you, mab you with team back trace Grady saying, where you sitting there, y'all?

00:15:02
Speaker 2: He's good for twelve.

00:15:03
Speaker 1: He's just I said, get the Fuckjasical McGrady. E see you said he's good for twelve.

00:15:09
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything. What I say. He was good for.

00:15:14
Speaker 1: Talk to it was not gonna happen. But I gave him for with the wide open. When you triple team the guy, he's wide open.

00:15:25
Speaker 2: Under the bag. I gave him four. Yeah, right, your double felon. I I don't want no truth he is. I don't want no truth. He throw the sap call everybody now, I'm gonna just kiss everybody else. I'm gonna just rock. Listen. If you was you my brother.

00:15:45
Speaker 4: By the way, let me say talk if you was to get in somehow a ten day contract or the professional sophomore team.

00:15:54
Speaker 2: In the first game you pick on smack every ship of four and row ther second. I still don't. He depicts what game did that?

00:16:04
Speaker 1: They did that Yankee Stadium, Ce Sabbath, he got the charity. He went on ESPN and told him I'm the legendary picture of the South Pro. Some niggas hit like five home runs off from me.

00:16:14
Speaker 2: Back to me. What I'm saying, I was, I was. They did it. They're like, yo, Joe, we get the fuck up. Thank you.

00:16:24
Speaker 1: How they come out, they were like, okay, Buddy Rick trying to fight. Its just like he's on bomb. He's trying rich, want to fight the whole crowd. I see your wrists, calmed down.

00:16:37
Speaker 2: Charity. I retired. He needs to retire officially. He did. No, No, like forever, don't do it. Don't don't Jay Cole, don't come out, don't talk about your nake. No.

00:16:52
Speaker 6: No.

00:16:52
Speaker 2: I want to hold up one thing because because.

00:16:58
Speaker 1: Sir smokes, when you played them three pointers, was unconscious, like I watched you shoot from anywhere and just what was it? The same thing they teamac took the basket felt this big because I watched you pull up and you were just shooting that ship. Like how you know what's going in?

00:17:20
Speaker 3: I think for me, just knowing the work I put in that was that was the hard part. The easy part was the actual games because I knew I was prepared for it.

00:17:33
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know very Beyonce and j Lo like right, these can I can I explain?

00:17:42
Speaker 3: Why are you making that fact?

00:17:44
Speaker 1: Like like Beyonce and j Lo will practice for a show, said they have a show and may they'd be going for a month strake where they don't give a fucking a bomb Land or something.

00:17:55
Speaker 2: They got that fucking they ain't never fucking up.

00:17:58
Speaker 1: If they practiced so much, that's the true artist that I know of, that practice more than anybody when they got like so Jason, but Beyonce had a whole documentary based on Coachella. She was practicing for like two months. I know my daughter watching this shit all day in the house. I'm like, she's like, what she practicing two months for one show? So you saying, Yo, I practiced so much that I just knew. I'm gonna tell you something else. That sounds weird. But you had a signature face. Okay, yeah, like charl Swoops. You can't get a confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look, right, and so like I'm looking at Cheryl Swoops, I said, she got her own face.

00:18:50
Speaker 2: You don't know nobody. I don't have our own face. Yeah, but you don't like nobody else, meaning Charlle Swoop. Sir Swoops, we.

00:19:01
Speaker 1: Don't get to confused what I don't. We don't get to confuse with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look.

00:19:09
Speaker 2: You know.

00:19:09
Speaker 1: One time I lay it in LA six hour flight and I went in the gas station and somebody ran It was like fat Joss Way to God. Came off the plane, tire wiping my eyes, went in the gas station. Somebody parked the car and ran in and they could only see the back of my head.

00:19:29
Speaker 2: So I'm like, ladies, can I get a picture? I said, how did you see me?

00:19:33
Speaker 1: I saw the back of your head while I was pumping gas. I knew it was you, meaning that you have a distinctive look. Like I won't issue nowhere. I'll be like, yo, that's Cheryl Swoops.

00:19:47
Speaker 2: You got a distinctive hand. That's what.

00:19:55
Speaker 3: Huh.

00:19:55
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm telling you, I know what I'm talking about. You.

00:20:02
Speaker 1: It was no game I ever looked at and you was playing. I felt like that when Yeah, that's what she got her own look, and that's a good thing. Nowadays, you don't know who's what, who's who? When they all look the same, the good all the basketball player man basketball players, they all look the same.

00:20:20
Speaker 2: They don't.

00:20:22
Speaker 1: It's what you all look the same. You could get confused. You could get confused.

00:20:29
Speaker 4: Brun and Nate Babbiestchuwan.

00:20:36
Speaker 1: Satchuwan Satchuwan from The Knicks Show, Chan and Kelly Obray might look the same.

00:20:43
Speaker 2: Like all them dudes look the same. I don't know. Maybe I'm off some day now, all light skins the town feeling what kind of coffee? Not all light skin? For all these guys look the same? Okay at that age?

00:21:01
Speaker 3: Are you say like their facial features or their games?

00:21:05
Speaker 2: No, I'm not their games are different. What I'm saying is the feature. Guys got the same tattoo of Jesus on their cheek. Same. You know they all got the same. Yet you guys all looked like each other.

00:21:16
Speaker 4: Bro, I'm telling back to the signature shoe. I was back then having your own signature shoe. That's your relationship with Nike.

00:21:25
Speaker 3: You I have a great relationship with Nie. You know, people always talk.

00:21:30
Speaker 5: About like goals and dreams and things that they wanted to do growing up. That was the one I had on my list, Like I had a list of here's what I want to do in life. Right, I want to play in the Olympics. I want to meet Michael Jordan, all those things I never wrote down. I want to some day have my own shoe, because back then that just wasn't something that was thought about. And there was no brand, no company that was giving a woman her own signature shoe. And you said it early, especially not knowing if the shoe would sell. And you know, people aren't really so they said, people aren't really into women's basketball. And I just I remember going to Nike and sitting down and having a conversation and the question was, what do you look for in a basketball shoe?

00:22:24
Speaker 3: Because I wore men's shoes. I played in men's shoes.

00:22:26
Speaker 5: There were no women's shoes, and I gave them this whole rundown of this is what's important to me in a basketball shoe. And the end of that conversation was, well, we're going to design a women's basketball shoe. And that excited me because I was like, finally we'll have a shoe. And then they said, and we're going to name it after you, and I heard it, but I didn't hear it, so there was no reaction. And then they said we're going to call it the Nike Air Swoops, and I cried, and I cried wow. So just for a very short time, I was like wow, like this was really happening to me. But then it became bigger. It was more about doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who'll come up ack to me that.

00:23:15
Speaker 3: Can now have that dream and know that that dream Chemotomic Reality.

00:23:22
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00:25:06
Speaker 1: Now let me let me let me ask you a question, was it Did they pay you more for your sneaking than what you was getting paid.

00:25:12
Speaker 2: For the league at the time, It was more like the look, well.

00:25:17
Speaker 5: You know, I had a Nike contract. But even even my Nike contract back in the day wasn't like I mean, it wasn't.

00:25:26
Speaker 3: It wasn't Asian Wilson.

00:25:29
Speaker 2: The number one song. I was getting five hundred dollars a show leg.

00:25:34
Speaker 5: But so the thing is, honestly, I didn't even like you could give me a hundred thousand dollars and I was like, oh, that's a lot of money. That was a lot of money from me, like the way I grew up where I was from. But that wasn't the thing that was important. What was important to me was like this ship is really happening greatness, Like somebody is thinking the boto.

00:25:58
Speaker 2: From Yeah, I know, I'm gonna let you talk, but go ahead, go ahead.

00:26:07
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I forgot what I was saying, go ahead.

00:26:11
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that.

00:26:12
Speaker 3: I forgot.

00:26:14
Speaker 2: I wanted to say. I wanted to get back at ground ahead. Girl, y'all, listen, you got what is it? Ten base? Growing up? Like growing up?

00:26:28
Speaker 1: You grew up in Texas, correct and practice it and every and then you finally get to college and you become a superstar. That's what I wanted to allude to, Like, did you ever ever have an idea that you was gonna make it to that level? Like did you ever look back in time, like looked at the court and say, y'all, I remember when I was a kid, and I could never believe I would be under these bright nights.

00:26:55
Speaker 5: I think so, Like I I grew up in a very small town and I played ball with my brothers and my brother's friends. But like I knew there was something special about my talent and my ability on the basketball court.

00:27:15
Speaker 3: There was nothing else I wanted to do.

00:27:17
Speaker 5: It was me a basketball if that was playing with guys, not playing with guys on the court.

00:27:23
Speaker 3: By myself, I had.

00:27:26
Speaker 5: I had a goal and a dream of I'm going to change my mom's life, and I knew the only way to do that was to get an academic scholarship and go to college, get an athletic scholarship.

00:27:41
Speaker 3: And I just I never allowed failure to like it wasn't an option.

00:27:50
Speaker 5: I never allowed like negative thoughts, any of those things to enter my mind of what if this doesn't work out. I wasn't an option for me.

00:28:01
Speaker 6: This was it.

00:28:03
Speaker 1: It was it, you know, I think because you know, sometimes I get to thinking, you know, I'm still in the same neighborhood and live in a different place, but my car drives around the same neighborhood I grew up in almost every day. So I think about going with my mother to welfare, hard time free cheese, like I.

00:28:25
Speaker 2: Just can't escape it.

00:28:27
Speaker 1: Because you know, unlike a lot of other places, when you really get to know New Yaw, it's like one giant ghet them. So it's like, you know, like wherever you go, you remember, you know, oh, this where I used to come with my mother and father, be State Jolley.

00:28:43
Speaker 2: This where you know.

00:28:45
Speaker 1: So for me, like it's insane for me to just understand like the life of living now, it's like it just don't make sense, Like I'd just be like, wow, this is crazy.

00:28:58
Speaker 5: But I also think this, so when I go back home where I grew up, I think it's good for them to be able to see people like yourself and data and myself, so they can look at us and say, if they did it, we can do it.

00:29:14
Speaker 3: I was the same. My mom was on welfare.

00:29:16
Speaker 5: We had the free cheese, my mom worked the cafeteria, she cleaned houses days where we come home, the lights weren't on, like I had all of those things. And I think at any point we could allow that to define us and have an excuse of saying, well, this is all I know and this is all I've seen, so this is what my life is going to be. But I think we chose differently, right. But I don't think it's a bad thing to be in your neighborhood. To go back to your neighborhood, but to be able to show all of the people in your neighborhood, this is where I came from.

00:29:53
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean this is who you have to be. As you get older, I love that.

00:29:59
Speaker 2: I love that woman. That's official.

00:30:02
Speaker 5: Life is hard though definitely like life is hard, it ever, But I have moments where I have two older brothers and a younger brother.

00:30:15
Speaker 3: I don't have any sisters.

00:30:17
Speaker 5: But there are times anytime I get together with my brothers and we sit and we having dreams or like we're having a nice dinner. And some people may look at this or hear this and be like what, But it means something to me to be able to sit down, Oh God, I will cry, But to sit down and have a nice a thousand dollars meal with my brother, you know, and to say, growing up the way we did, I don't think any of us ever thought that would be possible, you know. So to be able to do that now and like not think twice about it, it means something.

00:30:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, this big time.

00:31:00
Speaker 3: Uh and so uh, I'm probably the only person to settle this couch and cry with y'all.

00:31:04
Speaker 2: No. I might have cried up.

00:31:06
Speaker 3: No, I'm not gonna cry, no, no, but I.

00:31:09
Speaker 2: Like that because it's showing your truth.

00:31:12
Speaker 7: Uh.

00:31:13
Speaker 1: And that's where I was trying to get to because, for no disrespect, we from the big city and I'm looking at you with all that excellence.

00:31:21
Speaker 2: I'm like, she's from a little town in Texas, like that.

00:31:25
Speaker 3: Brown Sail Highway.

00:31:27
Speaker 2: I was just in Houston.

00:31:28
Speaker 1: Other I'll be thinking about we talking about Jake Cole Jacob from Fayetteville, North Carolina. That's this little little little little town eat the stadium to talk to everything. That's a big fucking deal. At least us we saw grand Master flies. Yeah, or you've seen Fat Joe on Ford him you just I mean to come from like the littlestown.

00:31:59
Speaker 2: Joe. Yeah, every smack. He's like four years younger than me, so he likes to you know, rub that in four is a lot when he back in the day.

00:32:10
Speaker 3: Yes, back in the day.

00:32:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, fo, it's a lot. You starting a come.

00:32:15
Speaker 1: I was telling somebody on Easter. We were sitting around and they were like, yo, but how did you get bullied? Like when I was younger, I used to get beat up every day and I was like yo, I was like twelve thirteen and my brother was already like eighteen.

00:32:32
Speaker 2: So that little six year he can't come beat up twelve year olds or thirteen year olds. He's a grown man already.

00:32:39
Speaker 1: He's already eighteen, So that age difference you're talking about, it really is the difference. Like they were like, why you ain't caught your brother? I said, my brother can't come beat up these kids, These kids twelve thirteen, fourteen, He eighteen. I couldn't even get my brothers.

00:32:55
Speaker 2: They was too big. That's crazy. Damn that don't matter. They come those sides fat, yeah facts, idiot, you got it, you brother? Mm hmmm. I used to see mothers come in there and start beating the teachers up the door. You ever see that When they come You're like, miss wick Cans, you bring your ass outside. We're gonna see it. My son. I'm busting your ass.

00:33:22
Speaker 3: No seeing the most vacinated. What I'm saying, that's the.

00:33:26
Speaker 2: Lean on seeing up.

00:33:27
Speaker 1: That's lean on the face. Come outside, bitch, I bust your eyes.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: That's how did it feeling to win four charmitionship back? That's the road for the That's like I just otherdn't feel did this stuff feeling like slaughter at the three? And dude, like I feel like a c in the back of my neck is slaughter right now because the cool ship, like the.

00:34:01
Speaker 3: Cool help warm it up. The yeah yeah, yeah.

00:34:12
Speaker 5: Well, I think once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more and more, and and I do think in a way, I think that's what's a little bit different about like this generation right now that's playing. You have some that that are hungry, like they got that dog. They want to win and they want to keep winning. But for us back then, with the comments, it was like we weren't going to lose, you know. And when you have you have players myself and Coop and Tina and Kim Parod and Wanda Gaiton and Jeanette ar Kine from Brazil by the way, who's one of the best that's ever played the game.

00:35:01
Speaker 3: When you see the work ethic that we brought. Can y'all turn this air now?

00:35:05
Speaker 1: I need a sisty mask, I need a daddy. You got a bushy with you? Cause this ship on the back of my neck legendary I never want.

00:35:23
Speaker 2: Right now, I.

00:35:24
Speaker 3: Can't finish answer because y'all warming up.

00:35:33
Speaker 2: I brought her you coach, Dawn stand that's my girl.

00:35:39
Speaker 3: Listen.

00:35:39
Speaker 2: I love doing Standley.

00:35:41
Speaker 3: Oh you said Stanley. I didn't understand. That's her dog.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: You don't get nobody's names.

00:35:45
Speaker 3: Dailey take the air out.

00:35:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. She throw that ship on facts. She fly the funk on that sideline.

00:35:54
Speaker 1: She's one thing she's gonna do that, throw that ship on bag every game playing with them.

00:36:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like my girl. I love me some dns. Since you asked me that question, did you watch the Final four?

00:36:08
Speaker 4: Yeah?

00:36:08
Speaker 2: I did? Yes? I did? What did you? No? I did? Was the fight four girls?

00:36:14
Speaker 3: But with the guys think no, no, no, no, I'm talking about the girls.

00:36:17
Speaker 2: Watch the girls Connecticut?

00:36:19
Speaker 3: And did you watch the Connecticut South Carolinica?

00:36:22
Speaker 2: Yes?

00:36:22
Speaker 3: Did you watch to the end?

00:36:24
Speaker 2: Yes? When the man didn't want to give us?

00:36:25
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

00:36:27
Speaker 2: Yeah?

00:36:28
Speaker 1: You know you're talking to the wrong guy because they'll throw us off of Netflix. I got a different my ship. I'll be trying to tell these guys I'm radical, like y'all. I read through the lines like a motherfucker.

00:36:40
Speaker 2: What was that? All? That ship bothered me? Today? I went to an hear mass cell.

00:36:45
Speaker 1: They fucking they they checked my fucking social Security number. They damn there looked at my ass and asked me what the funk I was walking?

00:36:53
Speaker 2: I got one. I don't know who the I got one. I got one. Yeah, you got one, but let me tell you. You know it, don't tell you one thing. I'm gonna tell you one thing. All them people knew I'm.

00:37:06
Speaker 1: Rich as fucked come still with nothing else? No, no, like, don't get it fucked up. They know who the fuck I am. They know my ship, they know I'm holding they.

00:37:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about it.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: Come out. Let's hear about this Social Security Q card. This that here is the this weight.

00:37:29
Speaker 1: Excuse me, sir, and let us email that this this that, yes, all that ship that bothers.

00:37:37
Speaker 2: Me, right, because I believe all of us are one. Yeah, that's how I believe true.

00:37:49
Speaker 1: So I believe it, no matter what the history future, no matter what the history of this country is. I never forget. But I like to take people at face value. And when the guy told me to get on the print, slipt like that for that nobody I know the same thing. I got it tolerated, but it was hot, same prison the line like the's the line apparently.

00:38:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, we was at the NASCAR with m J. Fleg how about that? Come on? And when we go home. He got his security in his in his partners managing with him. And then and one of his.

00:38:33
Speaker 8: Cuts playing t s a guys. He said, no, the prison infant is now yea, yeah, you prisond that where you sit a call bank crumb damn.

00:38:49
Speaker 2: Forty seven.

00:38:54
Speaker 3: We could have had no wait, did that really happen?

00:38:59
Speaker 2: Yes? And he didn't get her vegetable shut out her mess. I love you process. Process is a bit too much for me for this sale. But I do love you. Guys that are mess So what did you do? I ain't her man.

00:39:20
Speaker 1: I was looking at the dude they ran It was a lady there named Tunisia. Sister ran over so fast she heard that. She shaid, We're not like that.

00:39:29
Speaker 2: That's just him. That was She knew, I'm the Floyd. You know what? What's your man? Jimmy? I what was my man?

00:39:37
Speaker 1: From wrestling the Mouth of the South. She knew that motherfucker got a podcast. He ran over, don't talk on the podcast. Please, We're not like this guy.

00:39:47
Speaker 2: Don't go there. It's TIChE I said no to. I'm gonna make sure you out the smoke. But this guy right here, you know I've seen a picture of them, because we took a picture of them the other day. I'm looking through my phone. The airplane you know, because I look at them when the lawsuits still of him that you know what I'm saying. But yeah, I know about it. Lawsuits. How about let me give you a nice one. It is.

00:40:15
Speaker 4: You.

00:40:15
Speaker 3: You said that you didn't like it.

00:40:18
Speaker 2: Oh, I assessment, please, I don't like it. Yeah, you tell me what you thought about that? Well, he didn't respect that was the same thing, all right, But.

00:40:30
Speaker 3: I want to know you ain't answer my question. But you didn't like it? What did you not like about it?

00:40:41
Speaker 2: You know what? He made me feel like.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: It made me feel like, you know, were black and brown go on to prison a lot. I couldn't have just been a normal person who purchased the ticket.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: That's what he did to me. And he doubled down on his ship.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: Enough where everybody and their mother ran over him and say yo, sorry all ship Like I went on the plane, they opened the door backfight immediately.

00:41:05
Speaker 2: I would have said I can't fly, Elizabeth. I would all that. I would have took it there. Listen.

00:41:14
Speaker 1: I'm good with letting somebody, some coworker who see this show come up to the man and be like, you know, the guy, look the guy us. Obviously one of the guys because he was probably like an archie bunker.

00:41:27
Speaker 2: He do that ship.

00:41:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when you got that in you, you got that in you.

00:41:31
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you know, so what you thought about him not dapping.

00:41:35
Speaker 5: Up the coach, Well, first of all, I think the whole story of she didn't shake my hand before the game all that, but she did.

00:41:46
Speaker 2: She did.

00:41:47
Speaker 3: But here's here's my question. Ask that's true, But here's my question.

00:41:53
Speaker 5: So what if she didn't shake your it's a it's a handshake, it's a hare shape. If you don't want to shake my hand, I'm with it. I'm gonna beach ass and we'll keep it moving. Yes, but you got you said, you got that worked up over a handshake, when at the end of the day it was all about you got beat.

00:42:09
Speaker 3: But the part that really bothers me though, is.

00:42:14
Speaker 5: As a black person, in particularly black woman, we're always expected to take the higher road. We're always expected to just be like, oh, well, it's okay, we'll sweep it up.

00:42:29
Speaker 3: In the drug.

00:42:32
Speaker 1: At the airport. They would have made me the animal on the on the twelve o'clock news. They would have been like, rapper, it's going crazy in the airport. This that they would have did that the hull.

00:42:41
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but my point is this, at some point, like when do we say, like enough is enough? Though it's just a question of.

00:42:49
Speaker 5: Conversation, because I know Don came out and you know, she said the season's over, it's time to turn the page. And I respect Don for that, Like, I'm all, I'm right, I'm always gonna hold it down for Don. But my thing is like, I'm not ready to turn the page. I don't have to turn a page. But because that's what she does, I get all of that. I just we're always making excuses for Oh, well Gino probably didn't yeah, And I just I thought it was so disrespectful. But in that moment, you took away one of the most special part of a college athlete's career, and that's playing in the Final four, and.

00:43:37
Speaker 3: They had just beaten an undefeated team.

00:43:40
Speaker 5: Like, let let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you, because it wasn't about you. It was about Don had a better game plan, right, and she she out coached you in that game. And I'm not I'm I'm not gonna sit up here and say Gino's not a good coach. He's one of the best that's ever coached our game. But that moment alone, to me, really put a stain on his coaching.

00:44:10
Speaker 2: Oh no, for sure.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: In fact, it was very ugly. And sometimes you can't apologize enough. Sometimes you already damn on it like that.

00:44:21
Speaker 5: Well, and my thing is, I would I would much whether you're not even apologized based off of it though, but based off of that initial apology that you put out there where you didn't even call her game and say I apologize to don Like, if that's the apology that you're putting out there, I don't want that.

00:44:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, we've been through some ship. But let me tell you something. I'm fifty one points you scored in that game. Man, you had them busy that game.

00:44:56
Speaker 2: Man one case.

00:45:00
Speaker 1: In the game I'm looking at uh the Cheryl swoops highlight. It's a game you just called fifty one right in.

00:45:07
Speaker 2: My correct one.

00:45:08
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what game you're talking for.

00:45:10
Speaker 2: How many fifty one? Who? It was three fifty three? And that's what I mean.

00:45:17
Speaker 1: You just shooting unconscious broke shit like that ship was crazy. I mean to me, you know, to have a game like that. But you know, this is what I was saying the other day. I don't want people to kill me. You want me on the podcast, you don't want me in the podcast. You want me to talk, not to talk.

00:45:35
Speaker 2: This Cheryl swoops with fifty three. It's very very understandable.

00:45:40
Speaker 3: Bam bam out, don't do that. Don't do that, Yo, don't do that.

00:45:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do that, Jo Bam. I'm sorry, man, I don't know.

00:45:50
Speaker 3: He did not know that.

00:45:51
Speaker 1: They let me ask you question chery. We're being honest, right the day before he's called eighty three? Was it in your your your what they call that board? Was it that what they called that? Was it in your bingo card that Bam bam by the fire was gonna score eighty three the next day?

00:46:08
Speaker 3: But you can score fifty three either.

00:46:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I knew you.

00:46:12
Speaker 1: But but you can't and you're a superstar, four time champion, Olympic. This this this this that Bam bam out the bio. Yeah, he earned it out of the bios. WHOA I said it the other day. People got upset with me because I'm like, it wasn't in my bingo card. Now the top five who's on that top five list. Kobe Willis read Karee map dul Jabbar this.

00:46:37
Speaker 2: These are all squirrel troops.

00:46:38
Speaker 1: These are names that you expect to score fifty three and be on the top of the list.

00:46:46
Speaker 2: I got love for bad.

00:46:49
Speaker 1: He just said he's not capable of No, he did, and in the second high let me tell you, and let me tell you what I did, just to let you know. After I said that it, I went back and watched that whole game again. I watched it originally the last fourth quarter.

00:47:05
Speaker 2: I went back.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: He can't he was holding he came up. I think his first show Wizen Wizards. You know they might have had j Cole on that team.

00:47:18
Speaker 2: You agree, I do. I don't know what this guys it under your ship. Eighty three is eighty three.

00:47:26
Speaker 3: That's hard, that's hard to do what this team.

00:47:30
Speaker 1: Can't called eighty three. I'm just saying, maybe you are a little more defense than something. Perhaps, But that's not his fault.

00:47:37
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

00:47:39
Speaker 5: That's just like I get upset when people talk about all of Angelica's offensive rebounds with boxer ass out. If you don't want to rebound boxer out, angel is doing exactly what she's supposed to do. I'm going to go rebound because I know y'all can't stop though.

00:47:57
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00:48:02
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00:48:08
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00:48:14
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00:48:14
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00:48:36
Speaker 3: Nobody listen, nobody. Nobody in the league is Asia.

00:48:41
Speaker 2: Asia is Asia is Asia?

00:48:43
Speaker 3: Asia is her? She's for real.

00:48:47
Speaker 2: Swo. That's the top five w n B A.

00:48:51
Speaker 3: Players, top five w n B A players.

00:48:55
Speaker 2: Because you over there, so you ain't.

00:48:58
Speaker 3: Am I putting myself in here?

00:48:59
Speaker 2: Now? No?

00:49:00
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not putting myself rad don't we talked. I'm putting myself in and.

00:49:10
Speaker 2: For yourself. You want to put us?

00:49:14
Speaker 5: He did, okay, Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper, Diana Trossi, Tina Thompson.

00:49:28
Speaker 2: More.

00:49:34
Speaker 3: I know I heard somebody saying Maya. I love Maya. I'll tell you why I'm not putting her there.

00:49:39
Speaker 2: Oh we love that eighteen.

00:49:42
Speaker 1: L Lauren Jackson, Layn Jackson. You don't even know who that is not familiar with. When I was doing to the w n I've been going to the w n b A since day one. I was the only guy in the audience. They looking at me like I'm crazy.

00:50:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ship out let's you can.

00:50:09
Speaker 2: Throw the flag. You ain't got a hippie in the base. I did not hit you today. Find the footage when he was the only person at.

00:50:21
Speaker 1: The w n I'm telling you, I'm telling you it was a time when I was going to the w n b A where men were scarce in there.

00:50:35
Speaker 2: That sounds very scary.

00:50:37
Speaker 1: Different, yo, thank you for supporting our sport. It was so it wasn't like saying no back then it was again was witnessphone, super bird, what's my girl?

00:50:51
Speaker 2: Becky Hammond? H they was. They was all getting busy out there like I've been to w n B A fan I did you you don't got one?

00:51:01
Speaker 1: Google depicts when did it start? When when you were the first w nb A. Go find a picture of me in ninety seven in the w n b A c about fucking life. You take all your flags back, but you're.

00:51:19
Speaker 2: The only man this well, we went out of the corner law.

00:51:23
Speaker 3: What did he say that he was the only man w NBA game?

00:51:29
Speaker 1: I rest ob Jack, Oh Jack, I'm talking in theory contexts.

00:51:35
Speaker 3: Who who was your Who was your favorite Liberty player?

00:51:40
Speaker 2: I used to know with the Spoon? I love with the Spoon.

00:51:44
Speaker 1: I loved uh well, now I love Sabriena, I.

00:51:48
Speaker 2: Love Brena, I love junk Well, I love the other.

00:51:53
Speaker 3: But because you said back in the day, you were the only man one of them?

00:52:02
Speaker 6: You know.

00:52:04
Speaker 1: What's the Dame Becky Hammond? Ah, A couple of them like I used to love. It was on the living Yeah, that's what she early though, right earlier before coaching wave.

00:52:21
Speaker 2: But I would agree with two of your top five. She if I made my list, you be in it. But it's Leslie was different. Leslie was she the first woman to dunk? She was different? Definitely, Lisa. Leslie was different. She's definitely in the Rushmore for.

00:52:45
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

00:52:48
Speaker 2: Huh.

00:52:49
Speaker 1: Now she's on my she's on your Mount Rushmore. Yeah, she's under Sure. What was it like when you see her dunk for the first time? Did you see her like in practice and you saw he live? You watching a game? ESPN that you've seen the dunk.

00:53:02
Speaker 2: What the hell?

00:53:03
Speaker 5: Well, I've seen her dunk before like the Olympic team, like in practice and stuff.

00:53:10
Speaker 2: So you'll knew she could.

00:53:12
Speaker 5: But for me, it was like it's a matter of time before she does it in a game. Yeah, Like Lisa, Lisa's is really really like that. You know when you talk about like the w NBA today and the growth of the game, no doubt about it, Like the talent level is there today. But the thing that bothers me is when people tend to forget like there have been players that have come through this league, like Alisa Leslie that was the first to do it. But I'm you know, I'm saying, no, the sponsorships, the brand deals, the opportunities, like all the eyes like it wasn't like it is today.

00:53:58
Speaker 3: But I will say we told Ariadas out all the time.

00:54:03
Speaker 2: But let me explain something.

00:54:04
Speaker 1: You right, go to this when they gave Magic Johnson a million dollars, they put them on the cover of Time. Now you got a bum making two hundred and thirty nine million that he don't even play. This guys that don't even play they make two hundred something million, and it's great. You can't even compare. I had a hit number one in the country. Flow jaw was getting fired in the show. I was doing three shows a Friday. I was hustling my ass off to make fifteen hundred. What are you talking about, brother, it's that eighteen hundred. Touch the thirbelopment a different ways?

00:54:38
Speaker 3: Something touch his what it's cerebella bell?

00:54:42
Speaker 6: You know?

00:54:43
Speaker 3: Fried?

00:54:44
Speaker 2: Sure?

00:54:45
Speaker 1: And nobody is your publishers there. They didn't warn you that I'm Frida. I'm Fried like nobody.

00:54:55
Speaker 2: A fact. Why why I'm right? Don't mind me right now?

00:55:00
Speaker 3: Because it's hot.

00:55:01
Speaker 4: How you feel about how you feel about the new expansion teams coming to the.

00:55:08
Speaker 3: Well?

00:55:08
Speaker 2: So put that ain't seed back on? Put that a seed back on? Because every time you either you put it on, it's the back of my neck. You turk it off.

00:55:15
Speaker 1: She's sweating bullets. Put that a seedback on. I'm gonna be a gentleman about this because because I was the lady, because that chip was cold as fun. One second, that's all right, get up.

00:55:28
Speaker 2: To well, you know.

00:55:29
Speaker 3: So this season will have Toronto, Toronto and Portland, which I'm happy about. And then we have tee. What year do we get Philly, Detroit and Cleveland. So those three and t who who.

00:55:48
Speaker 2: Do we get next year? Houston next year, baby.

00:55:53
Speaker 5: Because Houston comes at the expense of my Connecticut son, which is the.

00:55:57
Speaker 2: Team that I work for. So it's gonna uns is over the Comics.

00:56:02
Speaker 1: I ain't why the place from the Connecticut at Yeah, Connecticut, you know that's like the Brooklyn giants.

00:56:11
Speaker 3: Went over there to Yeah I do too, cheers, Yeah.

00:56:16
Speaker 2: But they talking about that's gonna come.

00:56:18
Speaker 1: They talking about if Joe Losting could sell out that stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the Commons Connecticut.

00:56:30
Speaker 2: They ain't got that type of fluid. My goshbody at the casino money for this.

00:56:38
Speaker 3: Joel Ostin can sell out the church.

00:56:41
Speaker 1: Joe Losting sells out every weekend in Houston, a stadium every fucking weekend.

00:56:48
Speaker 2: I was just in Houston and not wanting to I swear to God.

00:56:53
Speaker 1: I almost shood an extra day to go to Joelo stick Joel Lostein, my favorite man, your favorite your favorite way, even what favorite pastor, Johasict Bollard much trouble Joe Long's thing got me out of You know how many times. The guy was going to the parking spy. The guy cut me off, like and I'm bad.

00:57:13
Speaker 2: I'm like, Joe says, to chill, Maybe God got you Sean spot you. I fucking love Joel. If you look at Joel in the ground, I like, every.

00:57:30
Speaker 3: You can't.

00:57:32
Speaker 2: I'm telling you want.

00:57:34
Speaker 7: Bullet everything, every sorry, oh my god, Jake Flow, Mace, everybody that suck.

00:57:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody.

00:57:49
Speaker 3: Did you put Krafla?

00:57:51
Speaker 2: Everybody?

00:57:53
Speaker 1: Y'all to watch that movie, Hank and you see Jesus when you see that movie, come back and talk to me.

00:58:00
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask us, genius question. Did your brothers make you tough? So we got to be you know, no doubt? No crying in basketball?

00:58:19
Speaker 7: Yeah, my.

00:58:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.

00:58:22
Speaker 3: Like I didn't like my brothers. I love them, but I didn't. Yeah, I didn't like them.

00:58:28
Speaker 5: Every time they left to go play ball, I was like right behind them because my mom didn't want me to play.

00:58:35
Speaker 3: She was like, oh, that's for boys, and you're gonna get hurt, and I was like, am I gotta go?

00:58:41
Speaker 5: So my brothers would always say to me, don't you dare cry if you get hurt, if you fall, you better not cry.

00:58:49
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, And I was like, there was words of wisdom.

00:58:53
Speaker 3: But I was like, why can't I cry if I get hurt?

00:58:56
Speaker 5: And they were like, because we'll get in trouble if you cry and Mama finds me, We're going to get in trouble. But where I grew up, there were never a lot of girls that wanted to play basketball. So I grew up in Brownfield, Texas, West Texas. We had a place called Tiger Bowl, so it was across the tracks. Every Sunday after church, we would walk home, change clothes, and we would walk back across the tracks to go play in the Tiger Bowl. It was just an outside court, no nets, and I was the only girl that was playing, so it was my brothers and then just a lot of just a lot of dudes that played. And that's where I learned how to play basketball. Like the toughness that I got was from playing with all of those dudes. And you know, I always tell people when I watched basketball, even today, I think the women's game, like fundamentally, I think we're better because we really spend the time, like working on our craft, like the ball handling and the shooting, and that's why we have really good shooters. But it's just natural that men are gonna be tougher, stronger, they're gonna jump higher, they're gonna be quicker. And so when I played against the guys, those were things that I really worked on, like on defense. And honestly, I think that's why I was a really good defender, because I always went and played against the guys because I knew they were gonna jump higher than me, so I had to be able to stay in front of them. I knew they were quicker. I had to be able to box them out. That's where I really think I became the player that I was.

01:00:37
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is the last game I played seventeen seventies, right, they didn't let you go.

01:00:53
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, wait a minute, because the people about the explain, explain, come.

01:01:06
Speaker 2: On, explain, come on, you might just take your shot.

01:01:18
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to explain that? Okay, it's one thing you playing the game. You shoot, you score when not tell you? Every time I try to shoot, all five guys all sides of the court jumped so high in the air.

01:01:36
Speaker 2: They refuse to let me.

01:01:38
Speaker 1: They were swinging at that ship like yo, like they did not want me to get that.

01:01:45
Speaker 2: They were in that air like I remember flying up to the circle.

01:01:52
Speaker 1: They was it was like, yo, we're not gonna let that. Joe Score was like, I don't know, baby, because I'm a rapper or something. I'm wan you look what I'm going for shooting. I need you to come play, Like let me need you to come out of retirement.

01:02:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I need them before while my knees still got fluidity. I need to get in this Celebrity All Star Game NBA, I could still let that.

01:02:20
Speaker 3: Let's go, Yeah, let's go.

01:02:23
Speaker 2: They told me I had to do something with lead through shooter. I had the gold. I had to do charity and I did everything. They told me that. I paid my ties to the church.

01:02:35
Speaker 4: And you still haven't been in looking yea hopefully this year they called me, I only got enough.

01:02:42
Speaker 2: It's only about eighteen months.

01:02:44
Speaker 5: One, Yeah, I'm Joe, you playing in the Celebrity All Star Game, coach, and one every time about forties.

01:02:51
Speaker 2: You don't know.

01:02:51
Speaker 1: I'm a legendary coach coached by forty every time week basketball. I am the number one winning this coach at the Ruckert in the history of men. Seven Rock All Rock bet in the n b A. In the n b A they to coach two celebrity basketball games and I won by forty points both times. They don't want me to coach. I was in jail and I coached the team. They were the bad Who's bed. They were dribbling like this, uh huh, and I wanted almost wanted. They sent me home. They were like, mother, the mother motherfucker. Work in the kitsom with me every Saturday. Alt'll tell you the number one.

01:03:41
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let me tell you something. I got friends to go to jail for a living.

01:03:48
Speaker 1: Yo. They gave me like rockt They gave me.

01:03:54
Speaker 2: Like the ten jail commandments.

01:03:56
Speaker 1: And one of them was like, don't argue about that basketball though, get into basketball. Don't play basketball because that's where the fights happened. Somebody fire you, you fight you all you over the knicks.

01:04:08
Speaker 2: You just this this.

01:04:09
Speaker 1: I had a pamphlet. I couldn't take it. Every Saturday morning I walked out there. Them guys was getting beat by ten thousand. They were drimmling like this.

01:04:18
Speaker 2: So I went out there. I said, you standing here, you standing there, you here? You cut When the guy they wound up winning, I start winning every game. Now the nice guys join our team. They thought it was like a rocket in that motherfucker. We start winning every game. I didn't. I got to the chip, but they let me home. They dart a week before the chip. I don't know.

01:04:41
Speaker 3: Listen, that's all.

01:04:45
Speaker 1: And I that's just last week. I coached again. Just last week, I coached a game.

01:04:50
Speaker 3: That's all coaching.

01:04:52
Speaker 2: What yes, coaching? I know.

01:04:55
Speaker 1: Just last week I coached a game. They had like an uh Jordan's Puerto Rican ship. They got a young Puerto Rican rapper. He's threatening me. We beat that ass by forty. I don't play that, all right, Just you watch.

01:05:20
Speaker 2: Draft seven of the w n b A early predictions. Who you been going with this year?

01:05:28
Speaker 5: Just well, I mean, the Aces are the defending champions, so you can't ever go against them. I really if New York can stay healthy.

01:05:38
Speaker 3: I like New York.

01:05:40
Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell you a team, and I said this last year, but they had so many injuries, Indiana Fever. They got the pieces and they did really good in the draft.

01:05:53
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't mind me, don't don't mind me. Reverse Sorry, the cold as to stay healthy for old season. She got a shot. Oh that means no, no, no, no, no, Caitlyn Clarks don't have a shot.

01:06:25
Speaker 5: M B B what it means because no, I didn't say it like that, because here's what it means to me. She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson. Asia is to take because Asia is the real deal and Asia ain't. Just don't let it go like that.

01:06:46
Speaker 2: But I said, like the light skinned girl is hurt. She's hurt, she'll be mad, But I don't.

01:06:56
Speaker 3: He's really good. But my I would say Asia for sure is the top for me.

01:07:03
Speaker 5: I absolutely think if Kaitlyn can stay healthy, I think Caitlyn has a really good shot.

01:07:09
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I don't know what what's going on with Stewie.

01:07:14
Speaker 2: That was just about you know, I'm not.

01:07:19
Speaker 4: What's going on with Stewie's good man.

01:07:24
Speaker 1: She comes from over there Connecticut. Well she played college again. Yeah, yeah, you come from Stewie's really good. No, she dead nice. And I'm gonna say something right here. Caitlyn Clark is dead nice.

01:07:43
Speaker 2: She gotta be healthy. The ability said again, her best ability is availability.

01:07:54
Speaker 5: Here's why I think Indiana has a really good shot to win a championship because you re signed Kelsey Mitchell, which to me was perfect. Kelsey Mitchell is the truth she is. You got a Leah Boston, you got Caitlyn. If she can stay healthy, Lexi Hall, I think is a key part of what they do defensively. I absolutely loved their draft pick Raven Johnson because I think I think Raven's a true boy guard. Fact and to me, one of the best parts of Caitlyn's game is her passing ability. But I think when she's playing off the ball is when she is really good at scoring. And Raven Johnson running the point, can move Caitlyn off the ball. And because when Kaitlyn has the ball in her hands, everybody just kind of stands around and they're like, let's see what she's gonna do. And she's playing off the ball, and you have a true point guard like Raven, there's gonna be a lot of movement. You gotta guard Caitlin, Kelsey, Aliyah, whoever that fourth player is gonna be.

01:09:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.

01:09:11
Speaker 3: I like the pieces that they got. They will absolutely make some noise.

01:09:15
Speaker 2: I'm going where I always go with the Liberty, and that's a hard rock bet my Liberty get busy We picked up My Liberty. Can there say that My Liberty?

01:09:28
Speaker 1: And that's a hard rock bet? Yeah, listen, my Liberty, that's the top five that or a lot. My Liberty is dead nice. We picked up great, pick up this shabo. She gets busy man like, and we beat Asia. We beat Asia two three years ago. Yeah, but I just want you to know it ain't like she's four chips in the row she's beating. Said, I'm just trying to take it liberally. They don't play that ship, you know what I'm saying. Then we got the best mascot, no fucking league.

01:10:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ellie Elli, ain't you're busy?

01:10:13
Speaker 2: You know about? Do you know who Ellie is? This side of the cart telling nobody? I don't want to do you know. I'm just asking, do you know? I don't know? Do you know? I don't know. I like it. I like it. I like legend.

01:10:27
Speaker 4: Jerry, let's Ellie's a rappin.

01:10:32
Speaker 3: He said, you don't want to know, don't be telling.

01:10:37
Speaker 2: He's the best. I know. I know you don't know. I know, no, no, no, I'm gonna suck the whole ship up.

01:10:48
Speaker 1: I know who Ellie Isn't I know who Ellie is Ellie's the best mascot in the mother.

01:10:53
Speaker 3: Hands down, hands down.

01:10:55
Speaker 2: Sure, what's the name of your podcast?

01:10:57
Speaker 5: Levels to this levels to the levels to the love that name and it's just Taika and I just talking about all the different level women.

01:11:09
Speaker 2: Yes, next to Jet up Julie.

01:11:16
Speaker 4: We're going on their podcast scheduling it full of ship, So just no.

01:11:22
Speaker 2: Set it up. I'm giving you our word. Yeah, yeah, I like that our word. I like that. Let me ask you a question, n B A yeah, what are your predictions out the East, South, and West?

01:11:46
Speaker 3: I haven't been watching the NBA.

01:11:48
Speaker 2: Oh I take that. Take that also.

01:11:52
Speaker 5: I'm just like, like, no disrespect anybody. So you was just addicted to basketball, Like, no, I love basketball. Well you watch the hell that you retired? Are you watching Jeopardy.

01:12:06
Speaker 2: Paradise Paradise Paradise?

01:12:08
Speaker 1: I didn't understand. Have you seen the imperfect woman yet? With Kerry Washington? I got you, I got your friend.

01:12:18
Speaker 2: I love that ship.

01:12:21
Speaker 1: I'm telling you a perfect woman on Apple TV with Kerry Washington ship. I'm watching stories go you kill a husband and the husband kill a wife. Everybody going after the real the same ship. I'm tired of Lifetime channel. Okay, I could do this blind. They could throw on the show in Lifetime by a Porson and be like, all right, the husband killed the wife or the wife killed the husband. Somebody's going after the money Lifetime. Yeah, that's all Lifetime day.

01:12:51
Speaker 2: They watched that ship all day.

01:12:52
Speaker 3: You know, I love flicks on Sunday.

01:12:54
Speaker 2: Put some stats.

01:12:55
Speaker 1: You know, Breakfast Club's Loup Breakfast Club. They were number one, we were number they got like the numbers. Okay, I'm gonna tell you in Netflix standings right now, the Breakfast Club with number one. Number two was Bridgington. You know, that's the number one show in the world that got the actors. Number three was How I Killed My Husband? This shit is on that life Time three podcasts. Number four was Peter Davidson. Number five was Joe and Ja Yeah. Not bad for the rookies of the year.

01:13:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go Top five dead all up?

01:13:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, top five tears. I want to I'm testing to y'all being top five.

01:13:43
Speaker 2: We're number one everywhere else? Do hold up?

01:13:46
Speaker 1: I got it, y'all trying to get me twisty. I got my last little bit white eighteen hundred yearls Dad, This Ain't that that?

01:13:57
Speaker 4: Ain't this cracking kit makes some noise for Sheryl snow.

01:14:06
Speaker 2: Can this is awesome? Not over you see

01:14:14
Speaker 1: That's fucked up.

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