TGI – Episode 508 “Chasing Angela” featuring Trina McGee

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Speaker 1: H writer, you're in yet a new location, Yes, a new location. That is the oldest location. This is my childhood bedroom.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pink where's pink Floyd poster?

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Speaker 1: No, none of the stuff on the walls is mine.

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Speaker 3: Besides this glorious photo of Will and me as Batman and Robin. And then this was my map that I used to put pins in of where I was going to drive on like road trips. I should like update it because I still have Like I had a color codeed so it was like the.

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Speaker 1: Where I wanted to go and then where I'd been.

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Speaker 3: But then since I moved out, my parents made it into a guest bedroom, put in this giant bed, you know, took out my waterbed.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 3: They put up a cabin fever poster because they didn't want to have it anywhere else, I guess. And The Buck Naked Arson, which is a movie that we actually shot here. Yeah, right when boy Be World ended, So it's not really oh, but you can see the ceiling is painted in this like the Yeah I did that when I was like sixteen, and me and a friend of mine took paint and covered our hands and just painted the ceiling yeah, and we didn't quite finish it, but you can still see hand prints.

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Speaker 4: It's yeah, your ceiling looks like the Caesar's Palace Forum shops exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it, but that's what I was going. Yeah, Salad, that'd be great.

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Speaker 4: I want to know what it feels like to have so much stability in your life that you could still record from your childhood bedroom.

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Speaker 1: I it's awesome. My parents have.

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Speaker 4: Moved only eighty five times since my childhood.

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Speaker 2: Then your regular room is gone. Now you are literally in the white void. You're getting what I'd said when I first popped out this morning, I'm like, daddy, I'll hold up today's paper and let me know they're doing okay, I.

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Speaker 1: Am being held captive. No, I'm in. I got an office.

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Speaker 4: Jensen and I took a took a giant leap and decided that our marriage, our family life would be better if we had more strict dividers between where we work and where we live. And we had been doing all of our work out of our home office, which, unlike writer's office, which is at least a separate property on his property, it's just the room, a room and the downstairs part of our house where then when our kids were home, they didn't quite understand why they could be there and hear us working, but we couldn't deal with them, and it just got to a point where I was like, listen, I think we need an office. And so now we have an office. I have not had the time or energy.

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Speaker 2: You decided to move to the TV room from Willie Walk and the chocolates happing ye TV, so you.

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Speaker 1: Decided to go.

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Speaker 4: I will do something. I will do something. I will put something on the walls. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do yet or when I'm gonna have the time er energy to do it. You may be stuck seeing this for a while, but eventually I will do something.

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Speaker 1: I'm want to send you a full sized poster of my headshot. I do want that out.

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Speaker 4: I actually if I could just have two pictures of you guys, like full poster size right behind me.

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Speaker 3: You can't you remember somebody we were at a convention and was it Jackie pulled up? You can buy hard work, life sized hardwork cutouts.

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Speaker 2: Of us, not of me. Remember a lot of your thing there were you each had one. It's like I was never on this show. It's just I don't get recognized anywhere. I don't have standy's and nobody cares about my feet. Yes those are standies, my friends, So yeah, that's fine. It is what it does bother me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod meets World.

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilford O. So very exciting recap this week. We are here to recap season five, episode eight, Chasing Angela, Part two. It originally aired November fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven. It was a two fer on this night. They aired part one and part two back to back, which feels a little anti climactic to me if if you ask me, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Watch episode It continued, though after watching the episode, it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Oh really still, I mean, this is like you, the most horrible thing and the best thing in television back in the day was you'd be start looking at the clock, going, wait a minute, they're not going to be able to wrap this up. They're not gonna and then the two be continued comes on. It was likely wait a week, yes.

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Speaker 3: But see I think, yeah, I think that there's something kind of wrong with the structure of this This episode that you know that that they were like, oh, let's just.

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Speaker 1: Put them together because it didn't. It didn't need the delay. It didn't. It was just one long episode. That's what I felt like.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, this was not really a well plotted out anticipatory thing because they actually the biggest turn happened at the end of the last episode, and it was a positive turn.

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Speaker 1: Right we found out it was Angela. Oh, oh my gosh. That means they're going to get together. And then they do, and then they do, and then they do. Well don't real for me, I haven't seen it yet. They get together, damn it. Okay.

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Speaker 4: So the one of the reasons this is very exciting is because miss Trina McGee herself is joining us for this recap.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited before we bring her in.

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Speaker 4: Let me do. Let me tell you the synopsis. In the conclusion of a two parter, thanks to a lost purse, Sean realizes he might be in love with Angela. However, Angela might not feel the same way. Across town, Jack and Eric are nervous about hosting Thanksgiving dinner for the Matthews family in their new apartment.

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Speaker 1: It was directed by Alan Myerson.

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Speaker 4: It was written by Matthew Nelson and guest starring Miss Trina McGhee as Angela Moore back for an important second half. And then we also have Heather Shannon as Beverly. This was Heather's first acting job and almost her last. Her only other credit is the two thousand and two movie Mother Ghost and please, I want you to remember the title because we are coming back to that. Then we have Selim Grant as Ted. Selim is a recognizable nineties face who appeared on The Wonder Years, Salute Your Shorts, and Sister Sister, but is best known as Hollywood from Saved by the Bell, The New Class, and from some roles in some pretty great movies including La Confidential, Angus, and he was the son in Ghost Dad.

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Speaker 1: So yes, we've got the ghost.

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Speaker 4: This episode features an actress from Mother Ghost and an actor from Ghost Dad.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, the Ghost gives and this is not hyperbole or exaggeration. He gives an Academy Award possible nominated performance in La Confidential.

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Speaker 1: He is so good. Oh that's right, it's unbelieve.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the kids who gets caught and he's being interrogated and he's breaking down the interrogation room. He is, the performance is outstanding, and he's created.

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Speaker 1: Work without somebody like as funny as he is so good. But oh Man Confidential is next? He is so good. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Just touching back on ghost Ad for a second. It was directed by Sydney Poitier.

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Speaker 1: Really, yes, I never knew that. And then we have Brian George as Eduardo.

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Speaker 4: He was a very busy character actor seen in movies like Austin Powers.

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Speaker 1: Bubble Boy, and Ghost World. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: Not kidding, guys, I just I can't make a good stuff up.

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Speaker 1: The spirits were trying to speak to us this week.

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Speaker 4: Also going okay, Yes, he was on ghost World, but also TV shows like Seinfeld, The Secret Life of the American Teenager, and sixteen episodes of The Big Bang Theory as doctor V. M.

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Speaker 1: Kuthrapoli.

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Speaker 4: Also worth noting he is a very busy voiceover actor with credits like a ton of animated Batman projects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I worked with Brian all the time and we're so familiar to me, like on Seinfeld.

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Speaker 1: But how many episodes of the show did he do? Is this the only one?

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Speaker 2: Just?

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Speaker 1: I think just one? Okay, then I must have met him outside of this a couple of times like I did.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I must have sent ten voiceovers with him. And then I did an on camera show with him called Regular Joe with Daniel Stern. We did six episodes of that, and then I ran into him again a year later, and he had no idea who I was. To the point where when I said, were getting Regular Joe. We did six episodes of that, he went, no, you weren't on that show. Oh, literally told me right to my face that I was not on the show.

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Speaker 1: But he was not.

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Speaker 2: He was one hundred percent serious podcast. You were not on that.

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Speaker 1: Show anything about us? Literally told me I wasn't on my own show.

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Speaker 4: I want you to bring him on this show and be like, we work together on Boy Meets World. No, you weren't on that show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he was, That's what it was.

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Speaker 4: He's literally saying, Well, he was also Duff Killigin on Kim Possible.

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Speaker 1: He was, so he was, he's been.

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Speaker 2: We worked together, we did hundreds of episodes and stuff together and no idea, no idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: Well, and then McKenna Jones is back for her second episode in a row as Beth so let's please welcome miss Trina McGee to join us for our recap.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you, guys, good to see you.

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Speaker 4: So we are so excited that you're here to recap this episode with us, just so you know, because you would not have heard our first recap of the part one to this episode. Okay, we think your character introduction, minus that first episode you were in in season five where you just had like a line or two sitting in the back of the classroom.

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Speaker 1: That's part of it.

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Speaker 4: You love it, you love it. Yeah, okay, yeah, Well I was gonna say, let's not count that as like the intro, but you're right if we count it as a taste of a intro, Part one leading into this Part two is one of the greatest character introductions on a TV show I think I've ever seen. I instantly care about this character. I'm interesting, immediately intrigued by this character. I want to know more. I already have so much love and affinity for this character. Like it is just it was so well done.

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Speaker 2: Also, the chemistry between you and I is just it's instant, it's it pops through the screen.

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Speaker 1: It is just it's right, it's there, it's there, right, away.

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Speaker 3: To start together with such an interesting and perfect part because it's like, oh, you already see us together, and then you're kind of like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, but this works. Why are they why are they doing?

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Speaker 3: And then you're just waiting for us to get back together. It's really well written, so good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 5: You know, I just had this revelation at the day that there should be like a dating show called the Purse. The context of that you have to pick the girl or pick the guy, and you only have the purse.

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Speaker 1: Great idea, Trina, great idea.

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Speaker 2: Go sell it, Go sell that. I see I see Nick and Vanessa la hosting the Purse.

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I'll do it right now. Should we do the contents of my backpack? We'll just do that because the contents of my backpack would totally.

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Speaker 4: Some dirt, an extra pair of books, underwear, literally because.

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Speaker 1: I don't do kindle or anything, so I live.

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Speaker 3: It's like four books and then I have like three different notebooks, like three different journal situations two different times.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, if you found it, you could read all everything I'm writing.

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Speaker 4: We know the interior of your brain, yeah.

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Speaker 6: And reading.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 4: So let's jump into our recap. Since this is a part two. We open with a previously on Boy Meets World, and then we get a rundown of the most important events that happened in episode seven. We see Sean finding the purse. He's impressed by its contents. Then we see the purse girl show up to get her stuff, but she has a boyfriend, and we hear Sean's heartbroken.

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Speaker 1: Speech in the hallway.

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Speaker 4: And then jumping into this episode, episode eight, we start in Chubby's We hear a girl enthusiastically chanting, give me a te give me an E, give me an R Sean Hunter. It's a cheerleader, yelling directly into Sean's face. She plops herself back into the booth next to Sean. See I can make a cheer about anything. And then, Sean is a.

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Speaker 2: Funny joke because the whole idea is that the cheer. Whatever you say, she's just gonna spell whatever you say. Now that's the whole chair. Whatever you say, she just spells it as like.

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Speaker 1: See I can make it out of anything. It's like you're just spelling whatever just said. Okay on them on the pia right exactly.

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Speaker 4: Uh So, Sean is surprised they didn't let her on the cheerleading squad, but the girl has had enough small talk. Do you want to make out? Meanwhile, Angela is on a date directly behind them, because other than pinks, which we've heard mentioned once, there's nowhere else to go.

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Speaker 1: Corey into Bank are.

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Speaker 4: Onlookers, and boy, oh boy, do I want to have a word with myself about my posture.

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Speaker 1: You are a little slouchy. It's hard on those stools. Stools are not good for televirason.

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Speaker 4: I also don't like stools in real life. No, thank you, high chairs take them away. Posture too, I really I have not noticed that about you to make it like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, see that's that's at least good mind, and mine is terrible.

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Speaker 2: To the point where we were at Ryder's house, the bartender out of nowhere just went, you know, I'm also an amateur chiropractor.

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Speaker 1: I can fix that role in your back. I went, I'm good. Yeah, thanks, thank you, sir, Thank you, strange sir. Yeah, you want to keep that hump.

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Speaker 2: Lots of bells to ring, thank you.

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Speaker 4: So, Angela's date is recalling a sports story, and then the coach says, Scooter that's what he calls me, Scooter. Angela is clearly not impressed. Gee, what happened next, Scooter? And then he asks her if she wants to make out? Trina, what do you remember about filming this week?

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Speaker 5: I remember that. I remember I really liked just as a friend, the guy who played Scooter, and he had Yea too, and they were in the business together. They were sister and us brother. They were like getting hot for a minute, like doing a lot of sitcoms and stuff and everything, so they were really nice to talk to. And you know, I remember being so nervous, and when I look at myself, I don't feel like I was acting my best, you know. I was kind of stiff, and my mind was racing, like am I getting this right? I think people that knew me were kind of like treating You're not doing your usual. You know, I usually try to pop more, but I felt like I had to, like, yeah, you know this.

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Speaker 1: Interesting nervous.

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Speaker 5: They're so nervous. So I never felt like I was really emoting like I wanted to emote. But when I look at it now, it's.

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Speaker 4: Fine, you know, I mean, yeah, it definitely it definitely plays. But I we have We have talked a lot about how season five has felt different.

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Speaker 1: Yet feels a little feels a little forced.

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Speaker 5: Some of them Boy meets World, like they're like, we cannot be canceled. Five years is hard. Five years is when you're supposed to be canceled. That's that's the mark. So I think at that point, what I'm feeling is like, we're not going to get canceled, So bring on, bring on the Redhead, bring on the girl. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think what you're feeling like when you're talking about like how you're not popping or you're kind of.

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Speaker 3: For me, like it's the writing of this episode. It's just like it's just the sort of like.

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Speaker 1: Unraveling or the unrolling of like what was started in the last episode.

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Speaker 3: The last episode was so good and so well written, and then this one just feels like one kind of scene, like the reveal of you know, and I really besides the dinner table stuff, which I you know, with the Corey tapango, which I thought was hysterical and like, you know, big but funny, the stuff between Sean and Angela is just like they're great for each other, so let's just show that, and like, you know, they don't allow us to have any inter conflict between us. Really, like the conflict is that there is no conflict or that I'm.

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Speaker 1: Anxious about it. It's like an anxiety show as opposed to real conflict. And so you're like we're mostly just speaking exposition to one another. Like in every one of our scenes, we're just like I'm scared because I feel this, and you're like I'm scared because I feel this, and I'm you know, it's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It didn't say like the way people actually talk to one another to me, and like so if I wanted, like I wanted it to happen and I liked these characters, I didn't feel like they were played for realism or it was just sort of like, let's just bring this together, let's wrap this all up.

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Speaker 1: So like the whole episode felt.

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Speaker 3: A little inevitable to me and a little like A and they was like, okay, cool, you know, so I don't know that, and so I feel like that, you know, if like Angela had come in with more personality or more attitude and that had been a problem. More like they disagreed about something a little more like intensely, like in scenes we would have more to do, but instead we're just kind of like, I don't know's.

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Speaker 1: I kind of liked. I liked though. I liked how it was. I liked how it was, you know, with.

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Speaker 2: With very little intro to Angela's character, you got that she was Sean essentially, It's like they had something where neither of them had really been. You know, this unfolds obviously is the episodes going, but neither of them had really been in a relationship before. They're they're kind of both scared for some reason, but we don't know why yet, why they're scared to get into a relationship, and they both realize at the same time that they do want something more and they want it with each other.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: To me, it kind of worked. It worked that it was, you know, it's a sitcom, so it's going to be inevitable that they're going to get together.

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Speaker 1: But I liked that it was.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't opposites attract It wasn't we're fighting and now we love each other. It was they're both realizing at the same time they're kind of the same person and they're going to do it together.

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Speaker 1: And I liked that. I thought that was cool.

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Speaker 3: I guess, like a clear example for me is like when she's still dating Tim right right?

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Speaker 1: Ted? Ted? Okay, Ted's Ted? If she had just if you know, instead of like the way the way that that scene goes, it's like, you know that she feels bad about this and that there was any confusion, you know, whereas she's like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm dating Ted, like you know, and then it was like oh god, you know, and like and then we're that conflict was like but I actually like you and you know, I don't know. Instead we're both in the same position of like, well we really love each other. I guess it's just not gonna happen. It's like why not Ted?

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't know. It was like just the way it was all sort of yeah, it was kind of the idea.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you get when you're looking at Coreyantopanga is the idea of love to them was better than love.

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Speaker 1: It's what love is.

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Speaker 2: Because when they saw it and I love that, Tapanga finally explodes and it's like we're eighty.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be eighty.

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Speaker 2: So it was that kind of like do we want to jump right into that I don't know it worked for me. I think you're right, it didn't work as a second episode, meaning like you didn't need the week in between.

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Speaker 1: I think you're one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 2: But if they just played it for an hour straight without a break, I think it was a great one hour episode. Sure, Frankly to bring the two of them together, because you're so rooting for the two of you, because you do have such chemistry that you just you want to see this and where it's going. And that's a tough thing to do, especially on an established show where you've got a character like Sean Hunter, that's the ladies man, that's the from the trailer park. To bring in another character that in an episode, not even in half an episode, you already are rooting for them together.

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Speaker 1: That's tough.

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Speaker 2: So it was as I was sitting there watching, I'm like, I I kind of at this point just because they were going funny with Corey and Tapanga, and I get that, But I was over Corey and Tapanga halfway through the episode and was concentrating more on Sean and Angela because you're like, Okay, I get now that we now just have to accept that Corey and tapanga have. This is the nineteenth different version of how they met, the nineteenth different version of how they've been together. We now just have to accept that this is what they are. They're the old married couple. And so I kind of dug I like watching it.

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Speaker 1: But I was like I got it, Like I get that.

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Speaker 2: I could put that to the side and now I wanted to watch this new fresh God is this going to work for Sean? And to bring in a character right away that can already match that energy, I thought was pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: Trina, do you.

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Speaker 4: Remember your first episode of season five where you were sitting in the classroom and and you were you just had like one line. Do you remember that first week?

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Speaker 5: That was a lot for me, that whole that one line took like my whole week. It existed, but like Corey, you know, over and overagain in my head. Yeah, no, no, you know that was I thought that was kind of an odd way to be introduced into the show, ye with this weird one line out of nowhere, like who are you? And then I'm like you need to do that, like who are you? To just kind of had to do this project.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that in the future, like in just a few episodes. They were going to do a very big two parter introducing you.

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Speaker 5: No, I was living in my head a lot then if I didn't listen, well, they might have said that these are the things I didn't listen to. I didn't listen to. It's a reoccurring. I just automatically thought that I was a series regular. Somehow my head didn't register that way. Okay, So when I actually was told I was a series regular, I was like, Oh, already have been talking about you know, yeah, you know, so I wasn't the greatest list. I was always in my head a lot. I at that time. I was worried about so many plethora of things, being ten years older than you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 5: The thing I liked the most about that particular, the episode we're talking about too, is just the fact that they didn't really get so into, of course, the color of our skin. You know, they really just you know, and I've always grappled with that over the years. I've talked about it or whatever, but it's such a human testament of how we can feel each other and love each other and be interested. And I also like the fact that it was a different kind of trope for a black girl on television to not be you know, extra sassy or be able to be nice and feminine and loved and not in conflict or or I mean, we were in conflict and struggle, but the love was always there, you know, and I think that that was that was really good school. So all those things were always going through my mind, like, you know, aside from the genuine character like as a black woman, like I got to make sure that I pulled up my sisters, but so many like tight ropes you have to to walk on. So I think a lot of times when I look at it and I say, I didn't pop. I was being so careful about my choices, my choice very yeah, Okay, I do want to sound too, sister girl. Didn't want to sound too why, you know, it's like so stupid, so many.

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Speaker 4: Things, Yeah, but so many considerations that you had running through your mind that none of us would have ever known was you know, we couldn't have ever but you had so much on your plate.

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Speaker 3: It is interesting I noticed, you know, like because we've always talked about how we never referenced race in relation to Sean and Angela, and yet in this opening scene they partner you without the same thing and me with a white girl, and it was like, so, I was like, I had never it never even occurred to me. It was like we are talking about it without having to say anything about it. We're we're like, we're yeah, it was super interesting. I was like, ah, so they're they're showing us like what we're supposed to be with or like what we nor like the default position. They are showcasing that, and then you know, having us break that barrier even though we already dated before. But yeah, so it's it's so interesting to see the way. And I talked about this when we watched the Perst episode too, Like the whole point of the Purse is that I fall in love with the contents of your character just you know, without knowing anything about the surface of who you are, which is another sort of way to talk about race without talking about race, right.

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Speaker 1: Like and that.

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Speaker 3: So it's so it's so interesting to revisit now after all these years of like conversations between us or with fans about like whether we should have referenced race or not, or did we reference race. I'm like, it is there, it's just not it's just not explicit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right.

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Speaker 5: It was also an episode where we did the karaoke later on and then they with with another black guy. You know, Like so sometimes what's not said is pretty pretty loud too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Jumping back into our recap, Corey, who is nearby looking on with Tapanga, is conflicted. He has to tell Sean about Angela. Topanga disagrees, he told you not to interfere in his personal life. Corey argues, this is the woman of his dreams, the woman he could spend the rest of his life with. That's not personal. He marches over and interrupts Sean, who is making out with his cheerleader date. He asks Sean to let the nice lady breathe. Sean is annoyed. This better be important. Corey tells him the truth. Everything that was in that purse belongs to Angela. Sean corrects him the purse belonged to Beth. To Panga creeps in from the back to clarify Angela borrowed Beth's purse. She turns to Corey to remind him. But that's none of our business, now, is it? And then he turns to Sean, what are you going to do about it? Mister, Sean scoffs nothing. Angela and I already went out for two weeks. If I was in love with her, you don't think I'd know it. Corey assures him that Angela is everything he's ever wanted in a girl.

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Speaker 1: He just needs to look.

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Speaker 4: Into her eyes and he'll realize it a new type of ensorcement.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a callback to the first season forget this. You giggle giggles right to touch her hair? Right, it wasn't it looks? Yeah?

00:26:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just I'm just I love how many types of ways women can ensorcele men.

00:26:38
Speaker 1: A kiss and we turned to Jello. That's just the way it is.

00:26:41
Speaker 4: That's right, We're very powerful.

00:26:45
Speaker 1: Sean has had enough.

00:26:47
Speaker 4: He walks back to his booth, but Angela stops him on his way and playfully touches his hand to say hello. Sean notices her book of sonnets and starts to giggle. Angela looks at him, completely confused. Why is he giggling? Sean can't high his gettiness, and he turns to Corey for help. Corey reminds him look into her eyes. Sean does as he's told, and he stares directly into Angela's soul.

00:27:09
Speaker 1: I felt like.

00:27:09
Speaker 4: Maybe creepy, feel like maybe you were trying, you were trying to suck it out of her, just a soul right out of her.

00:27:19
Speaker 1: What's happening? What is happening right now?

00:27:21
Speaker 4: That's basically what she asks. She's even more confused. Why is he looking at her like that? He softly explains, because I never have before Sean drops the book of Sonnets before stumbling backwards. He makes his way back to Corey into Panga, stuttering, it's Angela.

00:27:38
Speaker 2: I have a great read too, that kind of like you're amazed. Oh my god, it's Angela. Yeah, that's good.

00:27:45
Speaker 4: Then we go to a commercial break and we come back where at John Adams High, Sean runs up to Corey, who greets him with a huge grin and asks Sean, he's in love? Did you call her? Sean says, no, no way, too nervous, he wouldn't even know where to start. Corey suggests starting with hello, but Sean says that's risky. It would probably come out I want to have your children. Corey can't help but laugh. Sean Hunter, man of a thousand dates, afraid to call a girl. Shawn's eyes narrow, How dare you my family comes from Cossacks. I fear nothing.

00:28:15
Speaker 2: And noticed there was no lass like the audience that they didn't know what to understand what it was. Because, of course, if you want to hit a good thirteen year old, fourteen year old joke, you talk about the Cossacks, right, So I was starting to play.

00:28:26
Speaker 5: Hey, did you say that joke all the time on set? Nothing, I'm I'm Scottish.

00:28:33
Speaker 1: No. Oh, you know, maybe maybe we would quote Braveheart, I remember quart all the time Freedom if you really would have said, no, I don't even know what a Cossack is.

00:28:46
Speaker 4: Listen, I listen, guys. I googled it, and I still don't have anything to tell you.

00:28:50
Speaker 1: I don't know the Cossacks were.

00:28:53
Speaker 2: They were Russians, but then they helped in the German War, but then they were turned in by the It was weird. Essentially trader. Essentially traders is what a Cossack was at the time. So if you were a Cossack, you were a trader.

00:29:06
Speaker 3: We've already established as Shans Italian, so I don't know what that's all about.

00:29:09
Speaker 2: But all right, and then okay, yeah, but that's not the thing about the scene that through me. The thing about the scene that through me was was the the sign in the hallway that said rooms for rent in high school, that one with the little poll tab, like, because you're in high school. God, somebody's got a room to replace for me, all right.

00:29:32
Speaker 3: I thought I was breaking when I said this my people come to class, and then then covers with by laughing through his line a little bit.

00:29:39
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so you guys saw it too. I was like, oh, I couldn't get through this.

00:29:43
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys thought it was funny, which you were the only one, or if it was you thought it was funny because no one was laughing, Like you know, yeah, I think.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: Those are those beats where you hit a joke and you run into the wall first, head first, and there's silence, so you start to because it's so bad.

00:30:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they let that go.

00:30:03
Speaker 5: All the way to tape. Though it wasn't funny. It wasn't funny, you know.

00:30:09
Speaker 1: I know.

00:30:10
Speaker 4: Listen, there's some stuff in this season we are a little we feel like maybe people were tired.

00:30:16
Speaker 2: I want to know who's living and dying by this cossic joke where it's like, no this is gonna work.

00:30:21
Speaker 1: Damn it. I love it.

00:30:23
Speaker 4: Oh so, Corey nods and he sees someone approaching good here she comes. Sean bolts past Corey and right into the custodian closet. Angela arrives and Corey tells her Sean's in the closet. She says, hi through the door. Sean responds, Angela, you smell nice. She's confused, and to Panga appears carrying a bundle of balloons. She exchanges helloes with Angela as she's walking away. Tapanga tells Corey these balloons were just delivered from Balloonatics.

00:30:50
Speaker 1: I like the name. I like the name too. I thought that was cute.

00:30:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Balloonatics is cute. The card reads happy Anniversary, Love Norman. Corey's puzzled. I'm pretty sure, I said, Corey, and I also made reservations at Barelli's. Topanga asks, wasn't it our anniversary last month? Cory says no, they were just doubling with his parents because it was their anniversary. To Pango's baffled, wait, so when's ours? Sean chimes in from the closet. It's Wednesday. To Pango wonders, how come Janitor Bud knows our anniversary.

00:31:19
Speaker 1: Then Shawn Janitor Bud mentioned Janitor Buds right fired, and he came back as a secretary.

00:31:30
Speaker 4: The secretary Janitor again. We're about to in the scream episode that's upcoming. He's we call that guy Janitor Bud too.

00:31:39
Speaker 1: Do we?

00:31:39
Speaker 2: The guy that gets gets killed, the guy we can't be dying, We call him Janitor Bud.

00:31:43
Speaker 5: I thought that was Janitor Bud.

00:31:45
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think that guy Janitor Bud too. Man. Oh geez, Okay, so we'll see. We'll see.

00:31:51
Speaker 4: My memory may be faulty, but I'm pretty sure we we say Janitor Bud like all right, Uh, so we'll see. But okay, uh and then why Sean's dad Yes, and Janitor Dad of course? Oh you remember the episode Janitor Dad.

00:32:07
Speaker 1: I didn't remember the name, but I do now, So okay, not to be confused with ghost Dad. Different differ, different different movie.

00:32:16
Speaker 4: So Sean exits the closet and Corey explains that he's hiding from Angela to peg is in awe.

00:32:21
Speaker 1: Oh that's so sweet.

00:32:22
Speaker 4: Sean's convinced that everything he's ever known about girls has been completely erased from his brain. He looks at a girl who's passing by. Hello, sir see, I know that was wrong. He's never been worried about a girl liking him or not, but with Angela it matters. He really wants her to like him. To Pega gushes again, this is so cute. Corey agrees. Personally, I worship the man.

00:32:42
Speaker 1: It's a little sad.

00:32:43
Speaker 4: I thought, what a funny joke for everything we've seen between their relationship up to this point.

00:32:51
Speaker 1: Ye, I loved it.

00:32:53
Speaker 4: Angela returns and Sean tries to bolt again, but to Pega pushes him back towards Angela.

00:32:59
Speaker 1: Why is Angela walked away? Coming back back and away?

00:33:02
Speaker 3: They didn't give you any reason to walk back in, like you know, I left your purse on the table, or going to a locker. We're just like crossing for crossing sake at.

00:33:10
Speaker 1: The like, what's happening?

00:33:12
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm one of those actors, especially back then, if you didn't give me a reason to walk across, I would find the reason in my head. So I can imagine what I was thinking, like, yeah.

00:33:21
Speaker 4: You had something in your mind for sure this time.

00:33:24
Speaker 8: Because but this.

00:33:25
Speaker 3: Whole set is so weird, Like this whole hallway set doesn't work as a hallway, doesn't work as a living room, and so we're and we're trying to have it as both all the time, and like there's no like, just just give us like a coffee machine or have some reason for this room to exist or a copy.

00:33:42
Speaker 2: You have to disagree a little bit because and I again, I don't want to harp on this, nor do I want to throw anyone under the bus.

00:33:50
Speaker 1: But it worked last week.

00:33:53
Speaker 2: And so some of the blocking has not been great this season to the point where we've been noticing it.

00:33:59
Speaker 1: But last week when trainer directed, or when when it.

00:34:02
Speaker 2: Was yeah it was David Kendall, I didn't notice any weird crosses or anything strange in the hallway.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: The hallway worked fine, And this week I was like, what the hell is going on with some of these crosses? Trina? Do you remember working with Alan Myerson? Yeah?

00:34:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, the older.

00:34:20
Speaker 1: Yes, that guy.

00:34:27
Speaker 5: Kids.

00:34:28
Speaker 2: Okay, you made him the bad guy on Scooby Doo all of a sudden. I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for these medaling kids. Did you like working with Alan?

00:34:40
Speaker 5: I liked Alec. Alan would check y'all a lot okay. Alan would check me all the time. He'd be like, and what's your excuse for laughing giggling with them?

00:34:52
Speaker 1: You're all right?

00:34:53
Speaker 4: I like that guy.

00:34:54
Speaker 5: I like to be checked.

00:34:55
Speaker 1: So okay, Alan.

00:34:57
Speaker 5: Alan, Alan was uh. He was very authoritative.

00:35:01
Speaker 2: I remember, hm, you know, but is it quiet where I remember him being very He was quiet, wasn't he No?

00:35:07
Speaker 5: I felt like his silence was like always judging.

00:35:10
Speaker 1: Us, That's what I mean.

00:35:11
Speaker 2: It was like he did it in a very like kind of quiet way where it was like he would stare at you, just be kind of quiet and stare you.

00:35:16
Speaker 1: I loved him. We got along really really well. But I'm noticing some of the bad.

00:35:20
Speaker 5: I did not get along with him. I just felt like he was so in the like the parent mode. Even as an adult. I felt like he was so older and a thorative and like stop it. He never laughed at anything, you know, right, you know.

00:35:33
Speaker 1: I think it's a riot, you know, I think, looking back, I think what he would do, which was probably I mean it was one hundred and eighty degrees opposite from Jeff McCracken, is that he would come in and be like, all right, you stand here, you stand here, you walk over.

00:35:47
Speaker 3: Here, then you're gonna say this, and then you're gonna do it, and and just told us where to go. I think, like will you and I thrived in that because it was like, you're not talking about my performance, you're not talking about my feelings. You let me do all of that and da da, And I think some people just really hate that, you know, but I mean, and it's it's a style in retrospect, I would hate that now, like that is not my style of acting or directing. Like I think it's antithetical to the whole you know. I love it wasn't organic, it wasn't organic. But I think at this point during the show, I didn't care me. It was just like, oh, I'm plugging, play Sean now. Whereas in seasons two, three, and four with McCracken directing, there was so much conversation, there was so much investigation, and I cared I really wanted to like find Sean or have these moments. But by this season, I can tell I'm just like.

00:36:37
Speaker 1: Where do I go? Sure, I'll make it work, I'll figure it out, and I kind of do.

00:36:41
Speaker 3: But I think there's a lack of depth here in a lot of these moments, I think like there's a lack of motivation, there's a lack of explored there's just unexplored territory, and a lot of these these ple for me.

00:36:52
Speaker 2: By season five, we are kind of we're on autopilot a little bit. I mean, it's just we and we know what we're doing. Get the jokes, let's go where we're going. So somebody, I think you're right, somebody coming in going stand here, walk here, do this for again. You And I was like, okay, great, I'll take care of the rest, but you're right, I'll cross over here, I'll do this, and I'll say that, and I think you're right.

00:37:12
Speaker 4: So Trina, just to fill you in a little bit, the episode before this is the first episode of the season that wasn't directed by Alan Myerson. It was directed by David Kendall, and it was far and away our favorite episode of the entire season.

00:37:24
Speaker 7: Thus fall.

00:37:25
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so.

00:37:26
Speaker 4: We are noticing a very stark difference in the one episode that was directed by somebody else was beautiful and just effortless and had been so great, and then part two we're back to Alan Myerson and we're noticing, oh, this feels a little more like some of the episodes we saw before. So we're just we're just.

00:37:47
Speaker 5: You know, definitely like a dictator director. Okay, actually reminds me real quick of ice Cube. That's ice Cube directs. Really you met at her lay it out?

00:38:00
Speaker 1: That's it?

00:38:01
Speaker 7: Wow?

00:38:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I love knowing that. So then after a few giggly exchanges, Angela asks Sean if he'd like to go out and get something to eat later. He nervously responds, I'd like that. Then she pulls something out of her pocket and hands it to Sean. She saw it and she thought of him. He is speechless, and she offers a casual seeya and walks away. It was a seashell. Tapanga asks if he likes seashells, and Sean defensively answers, I like.

00:38:31
Speaker 1: This one, like this one. I like that button. But the whole seashell thing doesn't really make sense to me.

00:38:37
Speaker 5: Well, no, it's just a fun People come up to me all the time with that seashell line. Sometimes sells just a seashell like that's what they say. That part that Seashell played for a lot of fans.

00:38:51
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what doesn't make sense to you about the seashell, just that they picked a seashell.

00:38:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've established all these things and you know, like that a connector and for and then of course, like I like the idea of the Perst episode was that we have this mind meld of like taste and lifestyle or whatever. But then the joke here is that I don't like seashells until she gives me one, and like, why did she think of me when she found a seashell? How many seashells are you finding in Philly?

00:39:20
Speaker 1: Like all of it, none of it makes sense to me.

00:39:21
Speaker 3: I was like the seashell capital of Pennsylvania. The point is that she gives me something special, right, That's the point. And so to me, it should be something that connects us as something that we've talked about once or twice, and that I'm like, see she does remember, or she does have these feelings and we are going to do a day, you know. But instead it's actually the point of the Seashell ends up being that sometimes the seashell is just a seashell. So I just didn't understand why it's there, What what is this all about? It's just to give Sean hope that he's gonna that they're gonna date. But then if I don't know, I just like it. None of it made sense to me, Like, have it be an object, have it be a poem, have it be tickets to a movie, anything that establishes.

00:39:59
Speaker 4: Once showing Philly like a diamond in the rough.

00:40:08
Speaker 1: So then we are in Eric, Jack and Sean's apartment, which, by the way, Seawan is never there, never your home. That's why there's rooms.

00:40:15
Speaker 2: There's rooms to rent in high school, so you can Shawn's room live somewhere else exactly, Just like.

00:40:22
Speaker 3: That, The fact that I was a roommate was just completely cut out.

00:40:26
Speaker 1: Again, none of it.

00:40:27
Speaker 2: This goes back to what I was saying, where there is no point in Eric or in Jack and Sewan being brothers, none whatsoever.

00:40:34
Speaker 1: It was unnecessary to the show.

00:40:37
Speaker 2: It just should have been Jack and Eric met as college roommates, and they were college roommates.

00:40:42
Speaker 1: Like, why did you need anything else?

00:40:44
Speaker 4: So Jack is talking to his mom on the phone. He completely understands and wishes her fun on the cruise.

00:40:50
Speaker 6: What a.

00:40:55
Speaker 7: Sorry son going on a cruise from taking giving a Thanksgiving crew it.

00:41:03
Speaker 1: She took him up to eighteen and then just get out, Dude, I get it. It's fine. I can't wait to be able to not go on a cruise, but just kick India of the house.

00:41:13
Speaker 2: You can.

00:41:13
Speaker 3: You can figure out Thanksgiving, Dude, I fed you for eighteen years.

00:41:16
Speaker 4: I mean, he's probably off from school. You could invite him to go on the cruise with you.

00:41:21
Speaker 1: Ah. Anyway, is this implying that like Jack's because you know that we had the storyline that he's well daddy's right. So is the idea that.

00:41:31
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, but they haven't really hit on that because when he when when we had the like he and I had the moment of like I would have content, we didn't get the sense that like his his step mom or his mom. No, so it's just mom wouldn't his actual mom was like I don't know, okay, So.

00:41:48
Speaker 1: It's all hard to keep track of all this stuff.

00:41:49
Speaker 2: I know.

00:41:50
Speaker 1: So they are wealthy. So his mom might be an awful person, is like his mom might be.

00:41:54
Speaker 4: But the only person he said something nice about is he does say his dad treated him well, that he had no issues with his dad.

00:42:00
Speaker 1: That's all we know up until That's what I was trying to remember. Did he talk about his mom being great too.

00:42:04
Speaker 4: In that the only thing is well though, I think is yeah. But the only thing we know is that immediately he says, my mom might have thrown those letters away.

00:42:13
Speaker 1: That's true too. Oh is that the storyline? So she threw the letters to the letters?

00:42:18
Speaker 4: He said no, he said my mom. He said, I didn't get those my mom.

00:42:22
Speaker 3: My mom.

00:42:24
Speaker 1: Is what I'm saying. I established her didn't.

00:42:29
Speaker 4: Because I hate women like I really this.

00:42:31
Speaker 1: One another reason. That's reason I said to the character threw away the letters.

00:42:40
Speaker 4: Now she's calling him to be like, I'm going on a cruise for Thanksgiving. I'm sure you'll be fine. And I don't like this, lady.

00:42:47
Speaker 1: Mom, buddy, it's Thanksgiving. I don't want I don't want to.

00:42:51
Speaker 4: By the way, great acting debut for Fort Lawrence.

00:42:56
Speaker 2: The best factor on the on the show. Phone acting is top notch.

00:43:01
Speaker 1: We have noticed that there's some some not.

00:43:04
Speaker 4: So great phone acting on Boy Meets World, and we've decided to call it acting.

00:43:07
Speaker 1: Well uh you and Ben is great when he has a chord because like when he and I did the court, you know when he's in it's actually not true.

00:43:14
Speaker 4: There was one where he had a court and he was still trying to tried to close, tried to close the thing. Do you know how your facting is, Trina, Do you ever remember having to act with the phone?

00:43:26
Speaker 5: Oh, all the time. There's there's a secret to that. You have to okay, you have to pick up the phone, right, You have to be like you have to pretend that the person is actually saying something and let them say an entire sentence in your head, right right, just something else. So you're like, hey, how you doing.

00:43:44
Speaker 1: Really great?

00:43:47
Speaker 5: To give it a minute, you know, and you hear something. But when you just keep going line after line, that's.

00:43:54
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's why we just were You just holding a stapler is remote.

00:44:00
Speaker 1: It's just a case to hold my courts.

00:44:05
Speaker 5: We're down here now.

00:44:07
Speaker 2: My problem is every time I was facting, when I had somebody doing the lines in my head, they were in the middle of the monologue.

00:44:13
Speaker 1: That took forever. That was the problem.

00:44:15
Speaker 2: It's like, and I'd be I'd just be like okay. So yeah, so they they finally just stopped having people call Eric.

00:44:25
Speaker 5: That's funny.

00:44:27
Speaker 1: You we did. We needed a we did. We did.

00:44:32
Speaker 4: Jack sadly hangs up and tells Eric he's going to be alone for Thanksgiving. Eric responds without any emotion at all. Yeah, it's kind of sad. Jack comes up with an idea while standing next to the art above the sink, which is now a photo of egg.

00:44:46
Speaker 1: Roll it's we change it every week.

00:44:49
Speaker 2: We've decided we have new food items every week that we just put up there.

00:44:53
Speaker 1: What is this joke is? I don't know. I do like the.

00:44:56
Speaker 8: Design joke that like, it's got to be just for them, because we never noticed any of this, So this had to been for the set deck where they're like, every week, we're just going to put a different kind of food up there, and we're not going to mention we're going to anybody mentions it because my guess is Michael would have.

00:45:13
Speaker 2: Been like, why why does that keep changing? I don't think anybody noticed. And it's actually it's pretty funny.

00:45:19
Speaker 1: It's great.

00:45:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, we haven't seen any lobsters yet. I haven't noticed any lobsters.

00:45:24
Speaker 3: Lobsters until season six, ye six or seven. Yeah, should we make predictions on what food is going to be in there?

00:45:31
Speaker 4: We've had pizza, we're now having egg rolls. We had something that looked like meat loaf. Wasn't that something that looked like me.

00:45:39
Speaker 1: I would say burger. I'd say some sort you're.

00:45:42
Speaker 4: Right with, with a bun off and the toppings.

00:45:44
Speaker 1: I can picture it. Yeah, you can see the pickles yet. That's a good one. Yeah, all right.

00:45:48
Speaker 4: So Jack comes up with an idea while standing next to the egg rolls. Maybe I could join you and your family for Thanksgiving. Eric simply tells him no, while spreading peanut butter on some bread. I don't think they'd want me inviting anybody else over after last year we had fene over and he ate all the white meat. Jack disappointedly suggests, I guess I'll just stay here and order a pizza or something. Eric, getting zero messages here, enthusiastically tells him that's great. Jack throws up his arms in defeat. Eric laughs, I'm kidding. I love needling you. He has an idea, what if we have Thanksgiving here? Jack's not on board.

00:46:19
Speaker 1: It's us.

00:46:20
Speaker 4: We could ruin Thanksgiving for a lot of people. Eric then pours cereal on his peanut butter. Oh yes, was this your idea?

00:46:28
Speaker 6: Well?

00:46:28
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

00:46:29
Speaker 2: Anything I was eating was all mist Every time I ate, I would always do something weird, and it was always in my head. And here's the thing, this Bee story really didn't need. It made no sense lifted right out of the episode if you wanted to. And for some reason, I remembered every single line and I had no idea why there was entire a storylines I didn't remember doing. For some reason, I could mouth along with every single line.

00:46:57
Speaker 1: Of dialogue from this Beast story and I have no idea why.

00:47:00
Speaker 4: So funny, I wonder, I wonder what was going on in your real life this week that made this episode so salient.

00:47:06
Speaker 2: I don't know, but at one point I turned to Sue right before and I went gobble, gobble, black Ice, and then it was just really weird.

00:47:13
Speaker 3: That's funny, because I felt I felt something in this this this version of Eric, this sort of like super confident but chatty and and dismissive of Jack version that remind me of Fletch and a little bit okay, And I could see that because that's very close to your favorite kind of humor, Like, I know you love those kinds of characters, and so I think maybe you just really liked this, yeah, this whole thing, because it's like, let me you know, because it used to grow you know, the sort of like throwing away like and being super condescending without even realizing it and like on your own trip, Like it's very like your sense of humor this version.

00:47:52
Speaker 1: I just but yeah, I'm really condescending, writer Trina.

00:47:57
Speaker 4: Do you when you watch episodes, do you ever remember whole of dialogue?

00:48:02
Speaker 1: Yeah?

00:48:02
Speaker 5: Well I remember lines lines I love you, I've always loved you. I say it to my husband all the time. That's from.

00:48:10
Speaker 1: And he goes, I.

00:48:11
Speaker 5: Get out here.

00:48:12
Speaker 1: Wait that's from what what is that from? From Boy Meets World? World? I've always them?

00:48:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, but usually one one line zingers I I love you?

00:48:26
Speaker 1: Remember those? When's the last time?

00:48:28
Speaker 2: I'm curious, when's the last time you watched an episode of Boy from beginning to end? Has it been a while.

00:48:34
Speaker 5: I watched it. It's it's been within the year this last year of us all going to the cons. There was something about watching it again after having spent time with you guys. It was really healing for me. It was like, Wow, it just was different. You know. I always kind of watched it more for my flaws and what I could have done better, But now I was watching it like as an adult, as a whole as an insumb looking at more like an domble thing, and how the chemistry with everyone, what was really good and everything. I still watch it. I'm one of those people who doesn't like to watch themselves. I'm horrible. I will watch myself over and over. No shame about it.

00:49:16
Speaker 1: Good for you. No, I've done that too hard. I've done that too. Confidence. I've done that too. It wasn't with Boy, but with other stuff. I've done that too.

00:49:24
Speaker 2: And it's more to like kind of know that if I ever do it again, I will see flaws in my performance that I know I won't want to repeat. So I'll be like, Okay, oh I did that in five episodes. I got to make sure I don't do that if I ever do something again. I haven't been on Cameron seventeen years, and I'm still like, but if I ever am, I did this one thing. So yeah, I'm the same way. I had no problem watching myself after a while either.

00:49:46
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean it's it's it's good for growth. My thing about I usually don't like the way my face is or whey I'm holding my because I mean a lot of faces just as a person. It's like, yeah, I mean it's okay to love yourself in this acting world is yes, you know, there's a lot of negativity here. You can look at yourself.

00:50:07
Speaker 1: And say, hey, that's what I'm saying.

00:50:09
Speaker 4: We need more of that confidence. I am here for it.

00:50:12
Speaker 2: Well, that's being an actor. It's a bizarre combination of ego and insecurity. Gotta love being an actor.

00:50:17
Speaker 5: Yep, it's a line you have to master.

00:50:20
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:50:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Eric is glad Jack wasn't at Plymouth rock Ooh, I'm hungry, Let's.

00:50:26
Speaker 1: Go back to Sweden.

00:50:27
Speaker 4: And then he concludes the scene by taking a giant bite from his PB and C sandwich.

00:50:32
Speaker 1: Oh, I bet it's so good. Yeah, I bet you it was delicious.

00:50:35
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:50:35
Speaker 4: And then we're in the John Adams High Custodian closet. Sean is hiding, sitting on a bucket and reading something when Corey walks in, Corey shocked. Sean is reading from his Black Book, the early nineties edition. Corey asks if he can take a look, but Sean pulls it away. Some names in there could upset him and his parents, and I thought that was a very funny joke joke. Corey reminds him that that's the old Sean. There's a girl out there who likes him and asked him out. Sean size, he realizes he'd be giving up all of this if he went out with her. Corey says, it's not about what he's giving up, it's about what he's gaining. Sean laughs, no offense, but you have no idea what I'd be giving up. Again, another very funny joke, Corey dares him to find one girl in the book he actually cares about and call her. Sean flips right to the front, a Angela. She's the first name in his book, and she's the one he wants, but a real relationship is completely new to him. Corey references that airplane movie where the nun had to fly the plane and the air traffic controller had to talk her down. Corey will be Sean's air traffic controller, so that means all Sean has to be is the nun.

00:51:39
Speaker 2: As of how, Sean does his book alphabetically by first name correct, so it's like, God forbid you, you're dating four PAMs.

00:51:48
Speaker 1: That's not gonna help at all. That's so funny. I guess it's in case he doesn't know their last name.

00:51:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly with only two weeks you know, ever know?

00:52:01
Speaker 1: And then we're in the guy's apartment.

00:52:02
Speaker 4: Eric's schipping away at a giant chunk of ice, trying to carve it into a turkey. Jack says, it's three days until Thanksgiving. Shouldn't he be afraid of it melting? That's why I'm making it bigger? And then a timer dings Jack's pumpkin pies already.

00:52:15
Speaker 1: Well was that real ice? Yeah, it was real ice. I definitely remember. It was a big chunk of real ice.

00:52:21
Speaker 2: And for some reason Jack is making a pie days before Thanksgiving.

00:52:26
Speaker 4: That I think he's practicing, because I thought of that too.

00:52:30
Speaker 1: The poppy pie, I thought of that too.

00:52:33
Speaker 4: But I did think he cares a lot about this, and he wanted to give it pactice his pie recipe.

00:52:40
Speaker 1: Wanted you to try it. See.

00:52:41
Speaker 4: I make sure he has it down.

00:52:43
Speaker 1: Thank god.

00:52:43
Speaker 2: I don't even wait for it to cool before I dig right to the center of the pie.

00:52:48
Speaker 4: Oh, wait for it to cool. He pulls the hot pie tin out with one and the other one with nothing of He has a wooden spoon in this hand, and and no ofve admitt this one has enough emit and He reaches in and with two hands.

00:53:06
Speaker 1: Souls in great pie acting packaging called pack it is facting great.

00:53:13
Speaker 2: Well, no it was not, and I actually discussed this. What you don't realize is that Jack has a teflon hand, so this is a part of the backstory.

00:53:21
Speaker 1: He could you notice how much this is the stove like rattled when he went to get it there, It's just like like rattled. As he pulled it out, was like it kind of like it's just a cheap like little stove. But actually I was like, yeah, that's because there's nothing behind it.

00:53:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's all very funny. But he scoops out some soupy pie felling right from the middle so Eric can try it. Jack asks him how it tastes. Eric makes a face and pulls something out of his mouth. Is pumpkin pie supposed to have bones?

00:53:50
Speaker 1: So how did you do that? Did you have to have? You had it? I had to know where to Yeah, you could see it in this poon. Then Jack gives up.

00:54:04
Speaker 4: He's calling the caterers so they can provide the Thanksgiving feast that the Matthews are expecting. Eric scoffs, my parents Thanksgiving is like the least important day of the year to them. They don't even exchange gifts. Then there's a loud pounding at the door. Jack opens it to reveal Alan in a black Canadian tuxedo.

00:54:20
Speaker 1: Just the knock is funny. I know, pounding and I know so great.

00:54:27
Speaker 2: Hey, it's like this isn't going to be a serious conversation.

00:54:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, he steps in and tells the boys He's going to get right to the point. Thanksgiving is the most important day of the year to me. I'm sure Eric told you that. Jack nervously tells him he did not, but Eric explains, yes.

00:54:42
Speaker 1: I did. Dad. He hears what he wants to hear.

00:54:45
Speaker 3: Okay, now I thought this this whole bit was pretty funny. Yeah, it didn't make any sense with Alan, like Alan as we know him, either as in a like a hard ass right.

00:54:58
Speaker 1: Huh, or as a guy who would prank the kids like this, Like it just doesn't like is who what Alan is? This? Does this make any sense to you? Because this is random love Thanksgiving Alan.

00:55:07
Speaker 5: Do you guys remember when Alan sat us all down and like told us we had to get it together?

00:55:13
Speaker 1: You guys don't remember that? Oh that meeting?

00:55:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, like in real life, I called.

00:55:17
Speaker 1: That meeting in the kitchen table. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I there for that.

00:55:22
Speaker 3: I wanted to have it because we were having so much conflict on set. It was with Matt and you and me and Alan, and I said we need to like sit down and talk, and Alan.

00:55:33
Speaker 1: Said, I'll talk to him. I'll talk to him, and we sat down and had It was awful because I was trying to like broke of the piece and he just he just wouldn't give up. And I think Matt stormed away.

00:55:45
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm I was. I just wanted in case the listeners were also confused like I was when she said, Alan, because this is the scene with Rusty.

00:55:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I thought you were Alan Myerson. Okay.

00:55:55
Speaker 4: So Alan Myerson, so okay.

00:55:58
Speaker 1: Writer.

00:55:59
Speaker 4: So there was conflict but between Alan and Matt and Trina and you.

00:56:02
Speaker 3: Not with me, but there was conflict that went between that those they everybody was pretty unhappy and there was lots of yelling and lots of upset and so I said.

00:56:10
Speaker 5: Had no conflict. I was just there in the meeting, like.

00:56:12
Speaker 1: I said, let's sit down, let's have a conversation. And Alan was just like, yeah, they don't listen.

00:56:18
Speaker 3: They don't they don't know their lines, and they don't listen, they don't do their blocking, So what are you going to do? And I was like, well, hold on, let's try and find and Matt got up and it was like it was it was I was hoping for a resolution to make it a better working environment on the set, and it totally backfired and nobody.

00:56:37
Speaker 1: I yeah, because I remember, because I think you were. You were telling me all the time like that you were really unhappy. And I was like, well, we can just talk to him about it. And he was just like, no, no, they're not doing their job. So when we that's what And I was like, oh, I guess not everything can be resolved, you know. I was so like, uh, you know, like.

00:56:57
Speaker 2: He didn't come in, but it sounds like he didn't come in wanting to have any discussion whatsoever.

00:57:02
Speaker 1: That he don't well, I think he would have been open to discussion if if if Trina or Matt had said here's how I want you to talk to me, he might have. It could have been constructive.

00:57:13
Speaker 3: But instead everyone was offended by him saying that, you know, they weren't doing their job, and so it didn't go anywhere. So the whole thing just like ground alt and like everybody split up, and I was like wow, But it was a good lesson for me and that I was like, writer, you can't fix everything like you're not. Sometimes it does because I me and Allan got along fun and I you know, the only thing that bothered me was the tenor on set, you know, with everybody you know, which now I can look back and say, like, that is the director's responsibility ultimately, like it is not the actor's responsibility to set the tone on set.

00:57:44
Speaker 1: But in my mind back then, it.

00:57:46
Speaker 3: Was like we're all equals and the you know, we're all working together, so why can't we all just get along?

00:57:50
Speaker 1: And I tried and.

00:57:50
Speaker 5: I was that Alan Myers last one.

00:57:54
Speaker 3: No, he's still He was there the rest of the season and then never came back. I mean, I think in retrospect, I think that that that Michael and the writers probably loved Alan because he was quick and like you were saying, train it was authoritarian and sort of kept us in line and did not give many acting notes. Therefore, Michael could sort of slip in to give the acting notes and like take control of the acting. So I think they thought it was good, but then I think enough the word probably got back by the end of the season that that it was like, you know what, like what McCracken was doing took longer, but resulted in a more like harmonious set environment and now that I'm seeing it better episodes bet you know, so, I think we went you know, and then we started you know, then we got every director under the sun. From season six and seven, we just kept changing like every week, which is interesting. I was talking about Alan the character, yeah, and I don't I don't feel like this is appro like adequately set up. I just this is clearly a riff on the pulp fiction watch scene, like you know, the like really intense, like involved story to like empower the meaning and to like.

00:59:00
Speaker 1: Set the stakes. But I don't know, like, is Russ is Alan making a show.

00:59:05
Speaker 4: We have established before that Alan loves Thanksgiving. We have yes, we have established before he likes this day, he likes this food, and episode we're they're talking about going to the trailer park. He's like, this is my favorite day of the year. Don't do this to me. I love this day, I love this food, I love my house. So we've established that he likes Thanksgiving. That didn't bump me. The part that bummed me a little bit was then later when it was like, oh, we were never going to leave it up to you. Then I'm like, well, what did he do that for? But what I'll give space for is that it's possible. He went home after this conversation and was like I was there, which it's a mess. We're not doing this please, let's let's come up with a plan. So I think that's kind of how I convinced myself that it all made sense. But to me at least, I remembered, oh, Alan does love Thanksgiving.

00:59:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:59:51
Speaker 2: I also think it's it's almost from Matt Lawrence's point of view of like if you're supposed to talk about what happened, it's like he grabbed me by the back of the neck and told me it was the most important day of his life, when in reality was probably just.

01:00:02
Speaker 1: Like, hey, I love Thanksgiving.

01:00:03
Speaker 2: But like in Matt's mine, that's what that's what he saw was like Thanksgiving and which made me laugh and I just started with the knock. For me, it was like I'm coming here to fatalistically tell you not that I grew up.

01:00:16
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying about the knock, but I would have rather started more casual and then turned a point of the scene is like Alan's just dropping by and by the way, Thanksgiving's coming up, don't And then I'd be like, what's funny too, And then it would have been more like Jack's like, oh, I'm good, this is gonna be fine, and I'm like, no, it's not.

01:00:32
Speaker 3: Instead, it's like kind of Alan's coming in one note the whole time, and I think it's less.

01:00:37
Speaker 1: Funny the grill, even the way he's dressed to the black. I think he's supposed to be the grim Reaper, right totally? Yeah, you know, essentially is what it is.

01:00:45
Speaker 4: So he Alan tells him he remembers Thanksgiving dinner with his grandpa Charlie thirty years ago. It was a big day, his first football game, and he pulls out a pocket watch. He got this gift from him. Then Grandpa Charlie went upstairs to take a little nap and he died in his sleep. He pats Jack on the back and it's up to leave. Eric is now sobbing, Daddy, I miss Grandpa Charlie. It's so good, so funny, and I was actually crying too. I was like, god, I made myself cry. Yeah, it's so funny. Alan looks at his watch one last time, three days till Turkey that he leaves Eric's scoots toward Jack, still breaking down. You make better pies.

01:01:22
Speaker 1: That beat.

01:01:23
Speaker 3: Will's so brilliant, Like it's you know, it's one thing to be crying, but you also are crying exactly like an.

01:01:29
Speaker 1: Eight year old boy right now. It's like it's like a very specific kind of cry where you're like punching, and then you're like it was perfect. I was like, oh my god, because like you know, you could have just been you could cry a million ways, but you tapped into the very specific like you're like, oh, he was seven when uncle Grandpa Charlie died. You could just see the like childish. It was so funny. It was so funny.

01:01:53
Speaker 7: I don't I remember all them.

01:01:55
Speaker 1: So then we are back at Chubby's.

01:01:56
Speaker 4: Sean plays Vivaldi on the World's Weirdest Box again and Angela recognizes it. She loves this song. If you close your eyes you can actually see the seasons change. Sean grasps I said that, I said that exact same thing. Angela admits, yes, just last week, in the last episode, I said that in the previous thirty minutes, I said.

01:02:16
Speaker 5: That what young teenager girl is gonna Likelvaldi? Like that it happens.

01:02:24
Speaker 3: Will and I were saying, we went through a whole classical music phase when we were on the show, so a lot of Bach, We listened to a lot of Boton.

01:02:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:02:31
Speaker 3: I listened to the Planets a lot like Yeah, talk we love course, yep Yeah.

01:02:38
Speaker 4: Angela admits she really likes hanging out with Sean. Maybe they can see a movie later this week. Sean tells her there's a new Van dam movie opening. Angela loves the idea, obviously, so Sean suggests Friday night. Angela says, oh, I have plans with Ted that night. Sean can't hide his disappointment that she's still seeing Ted. He excuses himself from the table. I better go check on our food. Sean walks over to Corey, who's sitting at the bar. Corey assures him that Ted is a two weaker. He means nothing, He's just a name in her book. He encourages him to tell Angela how he feels. Sean asks if he's sure and Corey asks who's driving this plane? Sean admits Corey is. Sean returns to the table with both of their burgers, and he asks Angela, what do you think of Corey into Panga? And she thinks they're a great couple. Sean follows it up with maybe we can have what they have. Angela has taken aback they're not even dating. Sean questions what are they doing right now? And Angela answers, I asked you to get something to eat. Sean reminds her about the Seashell, and Angela responds, Trina, you want.

01:03:35
Speaker 5: To say just a seashell.

01:03:41
Speaker 1: Sean then takes the leap.

01:03:43
Speaker 4: I want to be with you more than anybody in this entire world. Why can't we be? Corey into Panga. Angela is obviously uncomfortable. She tries to find the words before settling on telling Sean she needs to go. She no longer has a purse. I noticed when she left she just decided to give up care. I know she keeps losing them. And then it made me think so funny that writer loses all his jackets, and and on the show, Angela loses her purse, and it really in like some weird meta thing. I was like, this works. You know, we both lose her lost, lost the lost and found couple.

01:04:21
Speaker 1: So this is like the It's so interesting to me to see how the beginning of Sean and Angela was always a counterpoint yes, core into Panga, which it continues to be, right, Like there's always this like Sean trying to have what Corey has, and it's just it's so weird to me, Like I don't know if you know, Like I don't know. It's like it just written into the light.

01:04:48
Speaker 5: What it's like, get your own life, Sean, I say, I want. Yeah, always you're always searching for what he has. And I also know notice that every time that Corey and Topanga are together, we would break up, and then when we got together they would be broken up.

01:05:08
Speaker 4: Right, they needed the conflict at all times from some companies.

01:05:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the two relationships are like two different models of relationships and which one's better and which one's gonna work and and I don't know, like I just don't know if that makes sense to me, Like why, I don't know, But in a soaper operatic way, I guess it makes sense because you look at the show as like a metaphor for all love and it's like and sometimes love won't work out and sometimes it will and but then I don't know if that's an assessment of the characters of the people involved, Like, are we supposed to think that Corey and Tapango work because of something about the two of them that Sean and Angela don't have as people or as a destiny? Like what do you think is like because in this case, it seems like.

01:05:49
Speaker 2: It's about obsession. I mean that's kind of unfortunately. Well, I mean when you look at Corey and Tapanga, that's it. We were meant to be together, and he becomes obsessed with there, and then Sean kind of has an inkling of that in this episode, where it's that kind of oh, now that I've looked at her.

01:06:05
Speaker 1: Now I have to have her, and you can't give her away and you can't ever look then you have to just be Yeah, it's like a real like double down on love.

01:06:13
Speaker 4: Well, it's also really interesting that Corey and Panga have been together for thirteen years and yet Corey still doesn't know that Tapanga doesn't want this, so he doesn't actually know her at all, and yet Sean does already know. I don't know, man, I told her we were going to be casual. I don't really think this is a place for us. So truthfully, Sean does know Angela and who they should be or who they would be as a couple, way more than Corey knows Tapanga, even though they've been together for thirteen years.

01:06:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.

01:06:41
Speaker 4: Yeah, just super interesting. We jump back into John Adams High. Sean is banging his head against a locker. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Corey Worridley runs up and Sean reveals that his date with Angela ended in a crash and burn. Nuns should never fly airplanes. I'm not sure why Corey didn't get blamed for this the way he did in Parsonic, the same thing.

01:07:12
Speaker 2: He says something in part one and he gets screamed. At this time, he takes an active hand and it crashes and burns, and Sean, my.

01:07:21
Speaker 5: What not?

01:07:22
Speaker 1: Very weird?

01:07:22
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing.

01:07:23
Speaker 4: Sean pulls back out his black book. He's going to go back to the way things were. Corey stops him. That'll never make you happy. Corey looks in the black book and shouts, ah, my aunt, so funny. Sean rips the book from his hands and tells Corey he gave Angela a shot and he got hurt. I would like to say it's very funny, even though again that would imply that a grown woman was making out with a high schooler, which again super inappropriate, but it does tie back in with the funny joke of there's some names in here that might make you and your family uncomfortable.

01:07:53
Speaker 1: Yep.

01:07:54
Speaker 4: So Sean rips the book from his hands and tells Corey he gave angela shot and he got hurt. Corey insists that Angela doesn't know what she wants, but he does. He says when he met to Pega thirteen years ago in the Sandbox, story just continues to shift to Panga started going after Joey Hutchinson. Sean argues that Corey was only four, but Corey insists, you don't have to be five to have feelings.

01:08:16
Speaker 1: And before the Lama Pen was we were saying five, right, six?

01:08:21
Speaker 4: I think we were five in the Lama Pen. So there was apparently a sandbox before this. Yes, I mean, I guess in the Sandboa Pen.

01:08:29
Speaker 1: Lama Pen is Sean where he met I was already you're already the wife. Yeah, okay, that makes it.

01:08:35
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So his strollers in the first you guys were babies and strollers.

01:08:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:40
Speaker 5: Then it twitched to the sandbox.

01:08:43
Speaker 1: Sandbox, and then and then then and then.

01:08:46
Speaker 4: We also had a great character introduction for Topanga season one, episode four. Yeah that was also we just you forget that one. So Corey could have just given up. The sandbox was filled with pretty babies, but he didn't give up. In fact, he told Joey he could fly and directed him toward the monkey bars for that brief moment that Joey was airborne. I told to Penga she had beautiful lips, and I kissed her. Sean needs clarification. When you were four, you told Topega she had beautiful lips. Corey nods and a very cute tush. Sean wants what Corey has, so Corey urges him to go and get it. And I'd just like to state, this is very bad advice. When a woman tells you she needs some space, maybe just.

01:09:28
Speaker 1: Give it to her. That's the advice I gave Ryder and we were in Amsterdam. No, that was go get her, Go get her, get her?

01:09:38
Speaker 4: Who know it is funny that it was just basically boy meets world advice.

01:09:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you gotta take, sometimes you gotta swing, you gotta sing.

01:09:44
Speaker 4: Last time, shoot your shot, I guess shoots your shot.

01:09:47
Speaker 1: Absolutely So then we're back in Chubby's.

01:09:49
Speaker 4: Sean, back in his leather jacket, walks right up to Angela, who's sitting at a booth with Ted.

01:09:54
Speaker 1: Hear me out.

01:09:54
Speaker 4: This will just take a minute, he asks Ted if he minds. In response, Ted offers Sean a fry and this scene it is so funny and so perfect, and all the performances are spot on. I love every second of it. Sean looks back at Angela. I read the same books as you. I listen to the same music, I go to the same movies. So when I tell you how I feel, it's not just words. Ted chimes in, Hunter, I'm on a date here, come on so good. Angela asks why Sean is doing this. They went out. He told her it was only going to be for two weeks and then it was going to be over. Sean tells her, I know that you're scared. I'm scared too. We both love Vivaldi and we're both scared. Ted with a mouthful of fries, looks at Angela.

01:10:32
Speaker 1: I'm scared too.

01:10:35
Speaker 4: Angela reminds Sean that he's never been in a relationship for longer than two weeks, and neither has she. They wouldn't know what to do. This is getting to be too heavy for Ted. I'm taking my fries and I'm leaving. Angela calls after him, but explains, But he explains, I paid for these fries, and he just leaves.

01:10:50
Speaker 1: I love Ted. Ted's great, He's great. Sean.

01:10:53
Speaker 3: I feel like this could have been like the second scene of the episode, do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like we've been treading water. This is a great scene, but it's like when Sean realizes it's Angela, it should go right to this.

01:11:03
Speaker 1: It should just be this and it would be fine. Like all the angst and like just Sean having internal it's melodrama as opposed to drama. This is like an actual scene where something's happening, and you know, this is what Sean would have been able to say this right away. I don't understand.

01:11:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, your character got upset about things, a lot of things that weren't really happening.

01:11:24
Speaker 1: It's all anxiety.

01:11:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean begs Angela to give him a chance. I just want to see you, and she gives him a sly smile and response, and then we're in the Matthew's kitchen. Alan is at the kitchen counter as Corey strolls downstairs. It's another anniversary night for him.

01:11:43
Speaker 1: Into panga. He asks, what says I love you more? A fern or a ficus?

01:11:48
Speaker 4: Alan asks how long the two of them have been together, because sometimes it seems like they've been together longer than him and Amy Corey laughs, isn't it great? Then Sean walks down the stairs wearing a suit. He's uncomfortable. He told Angela it was going to be a casual night. Corey says, yeah, that's my casual suit. Alan asks what's going on and Corey explains that tonight, romance in love will fill the air. Allan smacks Corey on the head you're ninety and leaves.

01:12:10
Speaker 1: But that's not what he says. I remember that I'm ninety, You're ninety.

01:12:15
Speaker 2: Ninety always pronounced it so strangely, and I remember, even at the moment, being like, why does that sound so weird?

01:12:21
Speaker 1: Like you're nine ninety?

01:12:22
Speaker 2: I know ninety ninety ninety, you're ninety like, okay, okays ninety ninety.

01:12:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's technically right, but it's right. So where why did Michael yell at him and give the library? I don't know it because he's because I wasn't a kid. You wouldn't because he was grown up like you're ninety ninety.

01:12:42
Speaker 4: Corey tells Sean that he and Angela have eight o'clock reservations at Barelli's. Sean doesn't really see the two of them in a place like that. Corey explains, if Sean and Angela want to be like him in Tapanga, then they'll go to Barelli's. It's the place where dreams come true. It says so on the menu. And then we see the Barelli's menu, and yes, it says where dreams come true.

01:13:01
Speaker 1: Smash gut.

01:13:01
Speaker 4: It's filled with an older crowd, and Angela points out how fancy this all is. Sean tries to play it off cool. They both take a sip of water, and after they are done, two waiters immediately appear to take the glasses and replace them with new ones.

01:13:13
Speaker 1: Then Corey AND's so cute.

01:13:14
Speaker 4: Corey and Topanga walk in Corey's asking Topanga why she's angry with him?

01:13:18
Speaker 1: Was it the fern?

01:13:18
Speaker 4: Because for the extra two dollars, I'll happily change it for the fcus. Tapanga tells them it's not about the fern. She just wants them to get through the evening. The host greets them, how many years have you two been married? Now the kids are good? No, Tapanga tells them, we are not married and we do not have kids. Corey whispers to Eduardo that Topanga's a little angry at him. Here's a fiver put an extra shrimp on her cocktail. Corey stops by Sean and Angela's table and pretends like he had no idea they'd be there. Wow, considering all the restaurants in town.

01:13:49
Speaker 2: To Pang, it no longer a vegetarian. By the way, She's just a completely different character. It's totally just meat eating normal. Like everything about her that was quirky and interesting in season one is officially dead.

01:14:01
Speaker 4: Yeah gone, Sewn whispers and all the suits, referring to the fact that Corey's suit exactly matches Sean's. Sean and Angela are left alone again, and the host appears again to take their order.

01:14:12
Speaker 1: They haven't touched the patae. Sean admits he doesn't really know what it is.

01:14:16
Speaker 4: Eduardo tells them it's goose liver, which sparks a disgusted face from both Angela and Sean. Edwardo reminds him he requested it when he telephoned this afternoon. Sean clarifies, when I called, did I sound like I had curly hair and was ninety Eduardo nods, see ninety ninety.

01:14:32
Speaker 1: I think this.

01:14:33
Speaker 3: I really think that this is where this is like where the episode should have. This should be like seeing three of the episodes, you know, like because there's actual there's something. There's something cool here about Corey being the pilot and forcing me to into his version of wooing Angela. But like instead, like I'm just not quite clear, Like the conflict is like kind of class based, like that we're in too fancy of a restaurant, but we haven't established that like the things that we like are really like Like I just I wanted it to be more about like, uh, if we knew that Angela liked a certain type of food and that Sean liked another type of food, and then they were both trying to be something for the other that's not quite established enough here. So I it's a funny scene, but I just don't know why it's happening. And then the resolution feels like, let's get burgers. I'm like, okay, so the problem was that we were forced into eating fancy food.

01:15:24
Speaker 2: I just it's a little I think it's exactly what you were saying before. It's not a problem. It's that you realize that there are different kinds.

01:15:31
Speaker 1: Of love and ry.

01:15:32
Speaker 2: Topanga are their own thing, and everybody it's like, you want what they have, but you're not them.

01:15:38
Speaker 1: Nobody want.

01:15:40
Speaker 2: Right Your version is burgers and Vivaldi and hanging out at a different place. But so it's like you can't be them because they're you know, even Topanga doesn't want this them at this point. So I think it's this is what happens when you let Corey in the driver's seat, is well.

01:15:56
Speaker 1: This is what love is. It's being married right away. It's the I.

01:15:59
Speaker 4: Actually really like the bones of the only relationship Angela and Sean can point to for what it looks like for a teenage couple to be in a relationship is them, And I don't really like that. Is that what they all are, and for them to realize, oh no, we can set the tone for what our relationship is.

01:16:17
Speaker 3: It can It should have been the whole episode instead of one scene if that is your last story, where we watch that play out in high jinks and funny scenes with Corey whispering in my ear and and maybe even Tapango whispering Angela's ear trying to get it could have been like a lot of miscommunication and then the two of us finally being.

01:16:33
Speaker 1: Like, no, we're going to do our own and.

01:16:36
Speaker 2: If Sarah and nogate advice exactly like that, like something like that, exactly the same story, except it's a terrible advice all the way around, because don't we find out that Angela's parents are divorced as well that her father's in the military, so they have that going so they we keep alloding to the fact that we're not ready for this relationship. We're broken people, but we don't talk about what that means, and we're not engaging with each other about that.

01:17:00
Speaker 1: We're just like the weld. I like it, You like it, right, I don't know it's together. Yeah, it's underdeveloped.

01:17:05
Speaker 3: I feel like taking this scene is the model and expanding it in both directions would have been a better way to like confront the.

01:17:11
Speaker 4: Completely agree, completely agree. Meanwhile, Corey is staring at Sean and Angela from across the restaurant. To Pega points out that he's staring at them more than he's staring at her. He doesn't break his gaze. Look at those two. It's us twenty years ago. To Pega asks, what is happening to us? Co port Corey is completely oblivious. He reminds her they're celebrating another one of their delightful occasions. Tapenga responds, who talks like that? Meanwhile, Angela asks Sean, you said you knew me. If you really knew me, why would you bring me here. Sean admits I have no idea what I'm doing. I don't know how to be myself around you. I really want you to like me. Angela assures him, I do like you. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here. Sean asks why it's so hard. Angela tells him she's never had a serious relationship either. Every time she got close to someone, she figured it was best to get away before they hurt each other. Is someone going to get hurt here?

01:18:12
Speaker 1: Sean?

01:18:13
Speaker 4: He earnestly tells her, no, not if we're ourselves. He calls out for Eduardo, asking him to clear their table and just bring them a couple of burgers.

01:18:21
Speaker 3: And see, like all of that dialogue is exposition. No, I think it's I think I don't know what we're talking about.

01:18:27
Speaker 5: Like we're just established my character to say what I would like.

01:18:31
Speaker 1: Or not like right and so, and we're not being specific. We're just pope and love and me and want. And it's like it's like song lyrics as opposed to like very like sharp, like the thing you're doing right now you can take, you know, I don't know. It just feels like I don't know. I feel so like I.

01:18:46
Speaker 4: Feel like for Sean, Angela is intuitive enough to know that the Sean she had started falling for is is no longer this Sean, and she recognizes, why are you you? You said you knew me, and yet now you're doing things that had this been the way we started our relationship, I wouldn't have necessarily liked this. So what's going on? And Sean saying, listen, I really like you. I'm I'm doing things because I'm trying hard, and that to me doesn't feel like X. I mean, I guess it is exposition, but the audience is aware that you're not being yourself either, and so we're all wondering why, why is this? Why is this so hard? Which I like that you directly ask why now that it matters. Am I having a hard time being my real self? So that for me, this scene like this to me realized I wanted a whole episode about this scene.

01:19:43
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I.

01:19:44
Speaker 3: Just think the actual like, we we have not covered details between our characters, so we have not said like what we do imagine our lives would be, because we have the Vivaldi and Shakespeare, but we haven't seen the like what do you like to wear?

01:19:57
Speaker 1: What do you like to eat?

01:19:57
Speaker 3: And then to see that in conflict with this, so we're just expressing this makes me uncomfortable in abstract terms, and so it stays abstract. And that's what, to me is the definition of like. I think it's more.

01:20:08
Speaker 2: I think it ends the same way where you guys are now figuring out what it's going to be, the same way you figured out this restaurant isn't for us.

01:20:17
Speaker 1: You figured out you didn't want to eat this food. It's like we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

01:20:21
Speaker 2: No, you don't know yet, and it's this is just the start of we know we don't want that. We know we're not them, and we don't want we don't want this restaurant. But we'll figure out whatever comes next. As long as we're ourselves, we'll figure it out, I think, is what they're saying.

01:20:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, so sentiment.

01:20:36
Speaker 4: Eduardo claps his hands together. But Relli's is a place where all your dreams come true to burgers. Angela ads and fries. Sean chimes in, oh yeah, get some ketchup too. Sean asks if he can take his tie off, and Angela says yes, please never wear.

01:20:48
Speaker 1: A tie again. Okay.

01:20:50
Speaker 4: She questions why he has it anyway, it's certainly not his. Sean confesses, I'm not one to give up any names. But Corey, all of this was Corey. He's a good guy. He just wants us to have what he and to Panga have. And then we cut back to Tapanga, who is shouting at Corey, I don't want to put the sweet and low in my purse. Corey's worried she's going to get them in trouble at their place. Topanga doesn't want this to be their place. Corey says she's ruining their anniversary, but she doesn't even know what anniversary. This is the first time we kissed, the first time we met.

01:21:16
Speaker 1: What what is it?

01:21:18
Speaker 4: Corey responds, it's the anniversary of the first time we hated Barelli's.

01:21:21
Speaker 1: How could you forget? I love that?

01:21:23
Speaker 2: I know.

01:21:25
Speaker 4: Tapanga is furious because I hate Barelli's. I am fifty years away from going to Barelli's. Can't we just go downtown and grab a pretzel from a cart? Corey shouts back, I'm not making you happy. Go you think you're gonna find someone else at your age? Tapega looks like she's about to strangle him. Eduardo steps in, begging Tapanga to keep her voice down. She growls at him in response, and he says thank you so much before running away. Angela and Sean are watching, and Angela confesses this is what scares me. You get close to someone and you end up hating each other. Shawn assures her there is nothing to be scared of. When two people are truly in love, there is no way they can end up hating each other. Right on time, we cut back to Tipega.

01:22:05
Speaker 1: Who's murder each other, which happens all all this. It's funny. I thought the same people love each other. It's actually the closest to hating each other because you have so much at stake. Yes, yeah, people, you're most like optimistic and uh yeah, backwards lining in my.

01:22:29
Speaker 4: Right on time. We cut back to Tapega, who's still yelling at Corey. Corey tries to growl back in response, but it doesn't work. It's tepid at best. To Pega laughs, his attempt at growl was pathetic. Corey smiles, well, I could never really get mad at you. Tapega tells him she just doesn't want to celebrate any more occasions. Corey was only doing it because he thought that's what she wanted to Penga says she just wants to be seventeen, and Corey happily agrees. Then he pushes everything off their table and Eduardo lets out a little shriek. He grabs Corey, grabs Tapanga, and layser down on the table to get hat and heavy.

01:23:00
Speaker 1: It's very unsanitary in a restaurant.

01:23:03
Speaker 4: Angela watches this unfold and tells Sean, I want what they have, but she leans in and kisses him, and we freeze frame on our new couple staring into each other's eyes.

01:23:15
Speaker 2: Sean Angelo, I think they were talking about the food whatever they ordered that they have.

01:23:22
Speaker 5: Yeah, a commercial back in the day, what's that Sally versus a what is that movie?

01:23:27
Speaker 1: Where when Sally met Harrick? And then we're in the guy's apartment.

01:23:37
Speaker 4: Jack is trailing a line of paper towels behind him as he points out to Eric that it's Thanksgiving and all they have is an Easter basket and Santa Claus. Eric says, my dad's gonna kill you. But then Eric comes up with a brilliant plan. He spends a few nights in the a few nights in the hospital, and they'll forget the whole thing. He tells Jack to get him, bust him in the nose, cracker rib, whatever it'll take. Jack shures him that's a stupid idea. Eric agrees it'll be better for him to hit Jack. He gets in a fighting stance fac or gut just in time. They hear someone pounding at the door. Eric yells just a second and apologizes to Jack, getting back in position to punch him. Jack yells for the people to come in, and it's the entire family plus some. They've brought the Thanksgiving dinner to them. They never believed that the guys could pull it off. Morgan ads, you can't even make toast. Amy asks her son if he at least has some clean dishes, and Eric blurts out no, no, he need's preparing to carve the bird, and asks everybody wants a dark meat, right, and again everyone loudly shouts no.

01:24:35
Speaker 2: These are my least favorite moments when the entire cast has to say stuff at the same time.

01:24:40
Speaker 4: I more than what bothered me is why are we acting like the white meat part of turkey is the good stuff.

01:24:46
Speaker 1: It's like the worst.

01:24:46
Speaker 4: It's the worst. Of course, yes, we shouldn't want the dork meat.

01:24:52
Speaker 1: White meat's good too. I like them both. It's the combo of the two with everything that's but if you eat the white meat, you're eating the majority of the turkey.

01:24:58
Speaker 4: The turkey yes, yeah, yeah, okay to Benga says it's so nice for them to all be together on Thanksgiving, Corey wants to tell her something. Then he leans in and starts to make out with her in front of everyone, with weird blocking in the In the apartment, Sean and Angela watch on and Angela says, I'm so glad I'm here Sean. Sean holds out his hand for her to grab and then leads her into the apartment. Before we sit down, I'd like to say thanks for all the good things that have happened to us. He looks at Angela and me. Then the whole group yells to one another, happy Thanksgiving.

01:25:31
Speaker 1: Me, but we wait for Rusty to start it.

01:25:34
Speaker 2: He like looks around and nobody's starting, so he's like happy and we're like happy thanks kidding the worst.

01:25:40
Speaker 3: Actually thought we were almost turning to camera Thanksgiving. Yes, I was waiting for us because that's literally what it is like. And now the chorus break down the song. I really thought we were like a Greek chorus. And that's the story of.

01:25:58
Speaker 1: What is pulling on the should have gone back to the old the holiday episodes where we set up a camera or like, do you know some reason, because why is Sean making a speech as the typical, as the non member of the family. It's really invite.

01:26:15
Speaker 5: Me to invite a girl to the Thanksgiving, which I love.

01:26:20
Speaker 1: But why I don't know. It's like it's just such a bizarre, forced little like tag. It doesn't it doesn't work for me.

01:26:27
Speaker 4: But well, Trina, welcome officially to season five.

01:26:32
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, thanks for having me.

01:26:35
Speaker 4: Man oh man, we have so loved having you. It will not be the last time we will have you back, for sure. We we are trying, we are not jumping ahead, so we don't exactly know what's coming up when it comes up, but we look forward to having you back again, So please join us another time. We thank you so much for spending your time with us this morning. As always a pleasure to see you. Continued health for you and Marcello. And yeah, we love you guys.

01:27:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you. We love you guys too. It's so good to see you all. Good to see writer.

01:27:10
Speaker 1: I'm up at my childhood house. So yeah, that was so fun.

01:27:18
Speaker 4: It's it is such a shame that the part two doesn't quite match up to the brilliant.

01:27:21
Speaker 1: Stuff on to talk about part one one. I know I still liked it though.

01:27:26
Speaker 2: Because I liked I don't know, I'm already rooting for the couple, and so I did. If you watch it all as one's honestly, and I.

01:27:34
Speaker 1: Think I think if I had done it that way, I probably wouldn't have been as critical because it's like, oh, this is so nice.

01:27:39
Speaker 3: I want this to happen, and then it does. But Washing has its own episode you're just getting and then it does. It's sort of like, oh, okay.

01:27:46
Speaker 4: But you're right as one. I still I still like it me too. So thank you for listening to this episode of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. You can send us your emails pod Meets World Show at gmail dot com, and we have merch.

01:28:00
Speaker 2: Which season five might be picking up March.

01:28:04
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01:28:07
Speaker 1: We love you all, pod dismissed.

01:28:10
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