#295: Millennial Time Capsule

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Elsie

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You're listening to the A Beautiful Mess podcast your cozy comfort listen. I'm your host, Elsie Larson.

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Emma

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And I'm your host, Emma Chapman.

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Elsie

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This week, we're entering a world with no iPhones, no internet, no apps, no online shopping, no social

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media or streaming, and no smart tech of any kind. Yes, we're traveling to a world where you get advice

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from magazines, information from encyclopedias and and to speak to someone, you have to pick up a

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phone and dial actual numbers. So this is our millennial Time Capsule episode, everything that will die

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with millennials. Release your inhibitions. Feel the rain on your skin.

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Emma

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Yeah, and if all the things we just said sound like so old to you, like a time before when you were born,

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you are probably some of our youngest listeners, because this is all stuff that's just normal from our

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childhood.

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Elsie

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Welcome, welcome. We're your aunties. Gather around, welcome youngsters. We have stories from the

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1900s to share. I just went prom dress shopping with my little niece, and I was trying to describe to her.

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I will more in this episode, but the 1990s mall and how vastly superior it was.

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Emma

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It really was. And it's so annoying when old people like us say that the past was better, right? But then

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you become one of those old people and you're like, ah, but it was.

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Elsie

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I don't necessarily think the past is better, but I think that these we so we made a list of things, not every

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that we have nostalgia for, that we miss from the 1900s I love saying 1900s let's say that as many times

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the 1900s it's just so funny. And you know, these are memories that millennial people are the last living

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people. We will be the last living people on this planet who have these specific memories. So I think

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they're special. And I would like to somehow enter this podcast episode into the time capsule archive

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for your consideration. If you're an alien 500 years in the future, this is a good place to start to just see,

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like the end of the 20th century United States, millennial woman perspective.

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Emma

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All right, first up and possibly most important on the list, magazines and specifically magazines at

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Borders Bookstore.

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Elsie

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Yes, I put borders like, I mean, because you can still go to Barnes and Noble, you can still get your

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stack of magazines, you can still sit at the I don't do it anymore, though, and this used to be like, one of

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my main activities when I first got my driver's license. Through most of my 20s, I would go to the

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bookstore, get a stack of magazines, and then get a coffee and then just sit there and literally read

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them for hours. And that was where we got our style advice, our, you know, early advice about sex and

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kind of ever like those stuff that you get from call her daddy nowadays. People used to watch

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magazines, yeah, Cosmopolitan. I mean, our culture, fashion, we're from Missouri. We don't have those

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things.

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Emma

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There wasn't really online shopping. So you couldn't even, like, look, you know, what they were selling

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to girls on the coast. You had to see it in the magazines, you know?

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Elsie

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You had to call and order something, or, like, wait till you went on a trip to a bigger city if you wanted,

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like, Emma had this, like, trendy Dooney person High School, like, things like that, you know, yeah,

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yeah. And I had a, one of my proudest moments. I had a mail order blow up bed, yeah, the Delia's

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catalog, and I'm still proud of that.

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Emma

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That was cool. You were very cool. You've always been.

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Elsie

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It was very loud and it was very unpleasant to sleep on. It was no good, but it was neat. It was a good it

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was an ease. It was neat, but I made mom and dad get rid of my real bed.

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Emma

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That was a mistake. That was the Oopsie. Yeah, and there's still magazines. Every now and again, I

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still buy them at the grocery store when I'm in the line, especially around the holidays, because I'll be

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like holiday cookies. And do I need more recipes for holiday cookies? No, but I like being inspired, and I

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like being surrounded by, you know, magazines, frankly. And so I put them on the coffee table. I got one

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for Marigold.

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Elsie

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She loves baking. There are still magazines, but it's no longer the magazine era, no. And when we

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were younger, you know, our main we've always been little, even as teenagers, we were little Martha

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Stewart Ina Garten, children, yes, like, we've just kind of born that way, yeah. And, like, very in a green

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Gable synergy. So, yeah, there used to be three different Martha Stewart magazines, four, four, I can

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think of four. She's an icon at one time, you know, every month. And yeah, they were just incredible. So

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one time during covid, you know, covid was a, was a weird time. I got on eBay and I ordered. A couple

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$100 worth of, like, nostalgic early 2000s Martha Stewart magazines. Like all of her she had this Kids

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magazine that was really beautiful. That was my favorite. And then I mean the wedding issue, if you got

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married during the magazine era, Martha Stewart weddings. Was it? That was it? I have a lot of her

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books too, from thrift books. She's passed 100 books, I think. But I like also collecting her old

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magazines, like, specifically from the 90s. So if you are a nostalgic person, like, honestly, it's like three

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clicks away on eBay, you can still get all this stuff. So my personal Holy Grail is her Halloween issues,

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where she's in costume every year. That's my collection. I think they're just, they're just amazing, like,

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they're so iconic.

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Emma

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I have a book from the 90s that's like, Halloween, Martha Stewart, Halloween.

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Elsie

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Do you remember when we, so one time we were in real simple magazine, and the photographer had

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shot a Martha Yes, Halloween cover. And we, like, we have never been more annoyingly starstruck.

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Emma

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We were just like, question, question, question, just, and they're like, Okay, stop. And we're like, no,

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yeah. As I was writing the wedding photographer, I so it's set in, like, 2014 2013 2014 2015 2014 is like,

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the season it takes place. Anyway, I was on eBay buying Martha Stewart wedding from that era, and I

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had them in my office because I wanted to make sure, like the vibes, the feeling of that time, you know.

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So anyway, and I used a lot of like the cocktail inspiration. There's a lot of cocktails in the book, and,

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yeah, it's very fun. It's amazing fun to go down memory lane in that way. Yes, Okay, moving on for

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magazines.

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Elsie

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Malls in the 1990s Okay, so malls have changed. If you haven't been to one in a while, you need to go,

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because they are an endangered species. They are at the end of their life. I mean, you know, no one

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knows the future, but I will predict that it's not more than 10 years away. What would you say? Yeah,

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probably. So at our mall in we're in Missouri, where we lived in our and we don't live near big cities. We

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kind of need this mall.

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Emma

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We are the big city for all the surrounding areas.

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Elsie

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People travel to our city from, you know, a few hours around. We no longer have, like, almost any

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stores that we used to have, like just any of the like, the main stores where you would shop at. We don't

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have any of them. It's pretty much just still a great food court. Dilla Sephora, Emma uses the play place

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very frequently. There a lot as little kid, you'll see me, and you know, there's a couple of department

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stores that are still kicking and there's a couple of unique things. Like, in one part of our mall, they,

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someone just opened a locally owned record store. So I was like, Okay, well, maybe we'll go more in

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this store.

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Emma

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There's also glow putt putt golf.

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Elsie

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We have a lot of like those jungle Jimmy type of yeah kids things.

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Emma

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We have an Urban Air attached to our mall. So that's so it's definitely, like, leaning towards kids stuff, I

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guess.

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Elsie

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But anyway, overall, it's like a little bit of a sad vibe. A lot of things are closed, and we have a lot of

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stores where it's like the big sign in the window that says, like, everything is under $5 like, things like

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that. So anyway, I told Jeremy that when because we recently lost our Starbucks at the mall. And we

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were like, when will we know it's kind of like almost over, over. And I was like, when Angie Ann's closes,

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that will be the mile marker where it's like, wrap this up. But anyway, let's talk about malls in the 1990s

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and how they were different. So recently on Tiktok, hopefully everyone can find their own city. But I

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found these old pictures of our Springfield, Missouri, our two malls, the North Town Mall and the

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battlefield Mall. And the battlefield mall is still there. It's the sad one we were just describing, and the

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North Town Mall has been closed and turned into a Walmart, like 20 years ago, long time ago, yeah, but

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when we were children, they were both lively malls with their own movie theaters and their own food

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courts. And there was a bunch of things that I didn't remember that used to be there. So my vivid

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memories from childhood mall, okay, three things, orange Julia's had its own, like, whole store, yeah,

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and there was a pet store with puppies. Oh, I don't remember that when I was a little kid, yeah, there

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was a pet store, so that would be in the 80s, pet store with puppies, which just like I feel about that

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anyway. I know pet stores are bad and controversial, but it also was like childhood magic for me.

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Emma

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Yeah, what kid doesn't want to hold puppies, yeah? Or anyone, anyone, ever.

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Elsie

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And the other thing that's really weird that I didn't remember is gone now is there was these huge water

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fountains in, like, the center, the sort of, like The Walking spaces, where people would grow pennies

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and stuff, and they were just these big square, you know, you know, just water fountains, more than

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one. And then there was also, like, a lot of, like, plant like. Life, and, yeah, all of that is gone now, and

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it's just anyway. So if you can, I think it's definitely worth trying to find historic photos of your own Mall.

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And just like, try to find, like, 80s and 90s pictures, just to remember, like, the stores that have closed.

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Emma

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And it kind of makes me think about how, because I'm like, Oh, I wish we had some pictures, you know,

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like times we were there with our grandma or whatever, and I'm like, oh, okay, well, not to self, I should

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definitely take pictures of, like, the normal, boring things in my kid's life, because that's going to be their

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nostalgia one day, you know. Because I'm like, Oh, yeah. And I mean, I do that, but I'm also like, oh, I

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should, you know, need to get more photos of them in that mall play place.

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Elsie

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I think it's a good idea. There's this one store specifically called Gadzooks, where I used to shop in high

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school. And I would like do anything for like, full I feel like I can still really see it in my mind. And I can

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almost, like, walk around with my eyes closed, my own little meditation in this store, it was just like a

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very like, you know, like the kind of clothes it would be like, boyfriend who listens to Nirvana and

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girlfriend who listens to lannis Morissette. So that's the vibe of the store, like alternative, but also, like, a

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little bit cutesy.

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Emma

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It wasn't a Spencer's, it was Gadzooks.

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Elsie

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Yeah, it wasn't hot topic, yeah, a little bit, but, like, but more colorful, more I don't know.

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Emma

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I was a 579, girl. I don't know if I remember that store. That was a great store too, yeah, a lot of plastic

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clothes, lot of, like, wanted to dress like, clueless, yeah, kind of thing.

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Elsie

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So Emma's Coming of Age movie was definitely clueless, definitely yes, she had a lot of like, fur

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trimmed, yes, crushed velvet, anything in that movie.

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Emma

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I wanted to dress like that.

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Elsie

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Yes, no, I still do. I still do too. Okay, let's talk about AOL chat. So AOL chat, is that what it was called? I

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don't know.

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Emma

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I don't remember doing a lot of chat, to be honest.

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Elsie

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There was two of them. I can't remember which one's which, but someone will tell us. But did it have

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the CD ROM?

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Emma

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Like, that's how you started it, like, I had a so DVD.

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Elsie

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Remember it? Is it? This was mostly in high school, and then, like, college age, and then I think the

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world kind of stopped doing it, but it was like this little chat program that you could open up where you

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had your friends added, and you could see if other people were online, and they always were. We had

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some friends, like some little, like boys from our church and stuff, who were always on there. So then

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you would just like, you know, be like, Hi, what are you doing? What are you doing, you know, just like,

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talk a little little kind of, like texting, I guess, but like, it's, I think what was cool about it is that it was like,

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you both had to be on at the same time, and it's limited time. And this was at a time when the internet

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was still, like, connected to our, like, phone line, so anytime someone was using the internet, then the

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phone wouldn't work and it was giving the busy signal. So there was, like, strict time limits on it, was

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more excited we had, like, the computer room.

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Emma

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So, like, the computer was in our parents room on a desk, and you'd have to go in there to use it. It

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wasn't like, you all had your own computer, you know, like, I think a lot of families had that where was,

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like the computer room, yeah, it was, like, in the basement or in like, a certain area, and only one

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person can use it at a time.

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Elsie

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So I remember that that was fun, and just like a moment in time that went away quickly. The next is

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maps. So like basically driving without phone instructions, or out of phone map, driving with a paper

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map.

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Emma

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Do your remember Mapquest directions? So that's sort of the in between. Oh, yeah. Print it out. Direct.

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Print it out, directions. Yeah, that's the in between of the two. Yeah. I remember when I went to I was

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telling you this, I'll see I went to London. I was 20, so it was like a summer semester during school. I,

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like, you know, wanted to be one of those college kids. Anyway, you were, I was, I did it, and I didn't

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have a cell phone that summer. I had one normally, but I didn't have, like, the internet, like, that was,

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like, a million dollars or something. I didn't have a cell phone that summer. So I used paper maps to get

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around London. And I would just pull it out of my little backpack and, like, look at what street I was

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going down, and be like, Nope, this isn't and turn around and go, you know, wherever. And I had to use,

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you know, signs in the underground to, like, navigate the underground and get where I wanted to go.

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And I remember it being not hard at all. It was no problem. It was no big deal. And then fast forward,

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years later, Elsie and I take our mom to New York, and I don't know what, how old we were then older,

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and I'd had cell phone. I'd have cell phone for years.

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Elsie

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We ere probably like, 30.

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Emma

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I'd had cell phone for years, and we went to go use the subway, and I was like, I can't do this. I have no

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idea how to do this. We're gonna have to get a taxi. And it was like, just so I was like, wow, what's

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wrong with my brain? Because, like, I didn't know anything about the subway system in England before

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I went there, I didn't know about the underground. I mean, I knew what the underground was. Just

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figured I didn't know how to do it, though, and I just figured it out. And then later I was like, Oh, my

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brain, I cannot figure this out. I don't know if the New York one's way harder. I don't think it is. I just like,

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my brain can't do this anymore. I like, have a phone that tells me where to go now.

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Elsie

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Yeah. I mean, don't you think it's like, the necessity is the mother of invention thing? And, like, I know a

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lot of people think right now that AI is making us dumber, and it is, but I think our phones have been

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making us dumber for a while.

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Emma

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Yeah, for other reasons, obviously they have.

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Elsie

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But we're losing our survival skills.

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Emma

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What I will say, that's my story of like, Wow, I can't do this anymore because I just use my phone. I don't

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know how to do this now. So anyway, yeah, but yeah, paper maps. That was the thing. When I lived in

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LA, I was slightly older than that. I was like, 21, 22, 23 I did have a GPS. I think it was a tom tom. Was

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the name of the brand, I want to say, but it was in my car. But so it wasn't my my phone. Didn't have it. I

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didn't have an iPhone yet, but I had that, but I still had a paper map in my car, because every now and

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again, the GPS, the tom tom was wrong, and you would have to pull out the paper map and, like, figure

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out there was a certain part of, I want to say, Burbank, that just it didn't notoriously, all my friends knew,

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like, you have to use the paper map when you go to this one part, because it never worked anyway.

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What a time, what a time, what a time to be alive.

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Elsie

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Okay, let's talk about landline phones. So my children kind of know what a phone they kind of know

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what a landline phone is. I don't know if they've ever used one, like, it's like a relic now, and I don't

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know. I think it's, like, really funny how quickly this went extinct, because I don't think I know anyone

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that has a landline phone. Like, not my grandma. I can't think of of one person who has one.

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Emma

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I can't think of anyone. I've had friends mention they're considering getting one for various reasons.

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Elsie

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Yeah, because I've thought about it. But I think there's a way now you can, like, attach it to your cell

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phone bill, but like, the Yeah, this was a different time. This was, like, the phone book era. The most

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important things to know about landlines. This is for the aliens in the future. Are that first of all, the

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whole house is one line. If someone is using the phone, especially they're having a long phone call, it's

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making it where that phone has a busy signal and no one else can call the house. So when you have,

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like, teenage daughters, like our parents did, who, like, want to talk to boys for hours, which we did,

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then that is a problem. It's sometimes a big problem. And then the other big problem is that, like, if

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someone was very quiet about, you know, they could, you could have, like, you have the bedroom

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phone, and you have the kitchen phone, and I know we had a basement phone, you could, like, go in a

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different part of the house. You could click, why quietly click on the phone, and you could listen to

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someone else's entire conversation, as long as you didn't, like, cough or make any noise and they and

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you could get away with that like, that is a different time, and I think it's wonderful. I always want to, I

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always wonder, like, who all listened to my little boyfriend phone calls when I was in high school

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because someone had to.

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Emma

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I'm sure our parents were like, who cares? They probably didn't even bother. They probably didn't.

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Here's my story about landlines. Okay, so when I was in college, I lived at home and I didn't have a cell

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phone, or I had a cell phone on and off. I don't really remember, to be honest, but I definitely didn't have

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an iPhone. So anyway, I, you know, dated here and there, and when I would give boys my number, I

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would tell them, This is my home number. I live at home. And I had one boy all the other boys. No

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problem. One boy was like, what if your dad answers? And I was like, you just say hi and ask for me.

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And he was like, like, he couldn't handle it, and so he would only message me on MySpace. Oh God.

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And that boy grew up to be a man who is my husband now.

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Elsie

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Oh no. Oh no.

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Emma

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He was just too scared to talk to my dad. I was like, He's not a scary man. You haven't met him yet, but

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he's not. He's just a nice dad. You'll just be like hello. Is Emma there? Not a big deal.

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Elsie

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I love it. Oh my gosh. Okay, the next one listening to an album start to finish on the first day it came out.

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So this assumes that at like, eight o'clock in the morning, you get in your car, you drive to a place that

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sells CDs, you buy one. Obviously, you know you I always try the day before, because everyone swore

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they put them out early.

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Emma

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You always tried the day before.

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Elsie

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And then on the way home, you can start and yeah. Like, I think that there's such a wonderful thing

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about listening to an album all the way through. And obviously, like, you can still do this, like Spotify,

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that's an option, but it's just, like, not as intuitive and common as it used to be, because it used to be

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almost like forced on you. And also you bought each piece of music separately, so I think we did put

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more value on like, the album you just bought. Like, you're not just gonna listen to one song, you're

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gonna listen to the whole. Thing you're gonna get to know it as a library.

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Emma

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Yeah, this song comes after this song.

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Elsie

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And I can, like, pretty distinctly tell the top, like, the albums that I knew before that era and the albums

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that I knew after the streaming era. Like, because, you know, the song order, it's, like, ingrained.

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Emma

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There's certain songs I listen to, and I'm like, expecting this other song to play next, and then if it

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doesn't, I'm kind of like, jarred, yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah. I'm not listening to a CD in my car, and it's

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not 2002 you know, I'm like, Oh yeah.

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Elsie

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It was an ultimate comfort. So yeah, that's why we got our our 10 year old a CD player, and they have

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them now, and I think they're becoming kind of retro, like the way we used to start, we started collecting

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records when we were in college, like, kind of like that. Like they're now, kids are into CDs. I saw some

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kids on Tiktok who had, you know, like the fancy CD players where they, like, go up and down, like an

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elevator. Yeah, they had those, and they thought that was cool. And I was like, great, that's great.

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Emma

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Yeah, I love it. Oh my gosh, that's very cool.

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Elsie

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But yeah, I think that listening to album The whole way through without skipping is like a lost art, and

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we should all try to do it once in a while.

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Emma

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And then, do you remember scheduling your entire life around your favorite TV show. Anyone?

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Elsie

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Do I ever. Or just, like, sometimes you got a new job or something happened and you had to just, like,

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drop off the map or something, yeah, and it was just out of your life and you couldn't. There was no

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other way to access TV than watching it when it came on at the correct time.

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Emma

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I remember moments too, where I, like, got home from work and I didn't have time to, like, make myself

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a snack before it started. So I just sat down and watched it and waited until the first commercial to go

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get a snack, even though I was like, starving because I was like, I don't want to miss the, you know, the

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beginning part.

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Elsie

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So I seriously think that part of our introvert origin story was watching the TGIF lineup on Friday nights

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when we were in high school because we liked it so much that we didn't want to go places.

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Emma

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I always looked forward to Friday night staying home and as a family, we watched TGIF and eating

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pizza or whatever, Chinese. But yeah, yeah, no, that's still to me what Friday night should be still in my

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mind.

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Elsie

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It's wonderful, yeah. And that I've tried to explain it to the to my children, like, they do not this is one

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thing they do not get. Like, they don't get how you could only watch a TV show one hour a week, like,

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it's, it's just too it's too much. It's too much for their little minds. And we'll never go back to that. I don't

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think so. I think it's, it's an interesting phenomenon.

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Emma

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The other day, I was watching a PBS show with Oscar, Dinosaur Train for all the parents anyway. And

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he was like, No, not that episode, Mom, this episode. Like he picks out an episode because you can

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see them all in the app. And I was like, Oscar, when I was a kid, you never got to pick the episode. It

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was just on when it was on. And he was just like, you know, like, it meant nothing to him. He's a four

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year old. What am I teaching him? Oh, I felt like such an old person right now. But I was just like, he's

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just always like, not that one mom, this one. I'm like, when I was a kid, there was none of this. It just

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was on. You watched it. That was it, anyway.

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Elsie

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Okay, this is one of the things that we really miss and have immense nostalgia for, is like, just the

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feeling that no one could reach you. Yeah, it was so common, like, I'm going outside to pull weeds in my

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parents garden, no one can reach me. I'm not worried about I'm walking to the park, I'm going to the

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store, I'm going to the mall, I'm going to the thrift shop, you know, like, anywhere you go, no one could

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reach you. The only way people could reach you is if when you were at home, and they could call, you

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know. So, yeah, and Emma was like, now I have to have pockets every day.

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Emma

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So I have two different brands of yoga pants, and the ones that I really like don't have pockets, and it's

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a real problem for me, because if I put them on, I like to wear yoga pants sometimes, because I play a

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lot on the ground with my kids, especially our one year old, and it's just comfortable. It's nice. But I'm

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like, Oh no, these ones don't have pockets, so I won't have my phone with me all day, which I kind of

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like, because my kids will, like, want to, you know, if I pull out my phone, my one year old is like, oh,

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show me videos on the phone. That's like, he thinks that's what it is. It's like to look at videos of him and

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his brother or whatever. So I actually don't like to have my phone out in front of my kid at all, but I know

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that if someone calls me, there's certain people in my life who get kind of annoyed that I don't answer.

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And like, I get it, but I miss the days when it was never expected. It wasn't like you should have your

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phone with you all the time. It's like that wasn't possible. So no one expected that. And now you have,

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you know, I don't know if you have anyone in your life, friends or family members, who feel like they

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kind of expect you to always have it. It, and I'm like, I just don't like that, because sometimes my yoga

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pants don't have pockets.

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Elsie

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Okay, I'm doing my best. So anyway, yeah, no, I miss, I miss the feeling that no one could reach you. I

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will say I don't care if someone doesn't text me back for three days. I don't care, and I don't care if

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someone doesn't see my DM or whatever. Like, I think that that's normal, but I think some people do

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care, and it like, It stresses them out, yeah? And it stresses me out, the expectation, yes, that some

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people are really bothered by that stuff, and it's like, kind of hard to tell actually, like, who cares and who

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doesn't? And like, if I you know you don't, I don't, whatever. Yeah, okay, yeah. It like you have to make

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sacrifices if you decide to be on your phone less. And like, part of that is, like, making other people mad

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or sad, which is hard.

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Emma

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It is because it's like, I don't want to stress anyone out. I don't want to add anyone's anxiety. But also I

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don't want to carry around my phone constantly. I just don't so, yeah, it's, it's tough.

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Elsie

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Anyway. Okay, so this is a big one. Toys R Us, the Toys R Us, store, the idea of Toys R Us, the Toys R

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Us commercials, and also toy commercials in general. Like all of that, I have so much nostalgia for as a

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child and I and I'm sad that my kids don't really have a toy store on that scale. Like the best toy store

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we have in our town is at Barnes and Noble, which our kids aren't actually. This is sad, but they got

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banned from it. Now, we now it's only a bookstore to us again.

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Emma

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By you or by?

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Elsie

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Us, because it caused problems that we weren't able to go in there and just look at the books. Yes. So

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we now we have it where it's only allowed on birthdays and occasions and it's not for every day.

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Emma

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Yeah, we have, we have ongoing issues. I think that's the whole childhood thing, yeah. Like, is today a

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day we buy a toy, or no, you know?

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Elsie

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I don't know when we were kids, like, Toys R Us was a big store. It was magical. And when it when, and

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even, like, when our niece was a kid, you know, it was still there. Like, I remember going to it not that

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long ago, like, I think it was, like maybe the year before we adopted Nova, or sometime around that

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time when it was because I was when I lived in Nashville. So it wasn't that long ago, but now it's gone

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forever, and it is weird, like I just feel sad that I never got to walk through Toys R Us with my kids, and

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they never saw it. And unless we go to, like, New York or somewhere a bigger city, we're probably not

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going to go to like, you know, the big toy store and home alone like that doesn't exist.

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Emma

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Home Alone. Yeah, on a parenting note, I will say it is kind of nice to have a store where it's like, we go

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here to buy toys, and when we're at this other store, like Michael's. We come here to buy craft supplies,

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art supplies, and I feel like when they get mixed, because even the grocery store will have some toys.

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Some of them do. Some of them don't, but some of the ones we go to have toys. And it makes sense

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that it's confusing for kids to be like, well, there, I know there's toys in this store, but you're saying, I

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can't have one today, but last time I could, so it is like, this thing. So then you're like, Oh, now we have

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to have to have this conversation each time, which is fine, it's part of parenting, and it's part of them

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learning, and that's fine, but it is kind of nice to have a place where it's like, this is the place we go to

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buy a toy, whereas, like you're saying with Barnes and Noble, my kids call that the bookstore. Yeah,

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there are other bookstores, but that's what, just what they call it. And they so they think of it as a

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bookstore, but they're slowly Oscar figuring out the toy area. And I'm like, Oh, this is a little bit of a tricky

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and if I ever let them buy a toy, then it's really going to be hard, because it's like, now it's confusing to

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them anyway. So yeah, that. And then I'll also say on Toys R Us. Recently I watched roof, man, did you

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see that movie? Oh, it has Channing Tatum and Kirsten Dunst. It's fairly new. I think it came out in the

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last three years, last few years. I don't know. It's based on a true story. So if you like a quirky true crime,

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this is not a serial killer thing. It's just like quirky True Crime type thing. Definitely watch this. I thought it

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was so charming. So it's about a man who escapes from prison and he hides out in a Toys R Us. And

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so a lot of the movie, he's like, in the Toys R Us, like, after hours, and, you know, and it's a true story.

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And in the movie, we looked it up afterwards, pretty true to what really happened. Like, most of it very,

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very true. And, yeah, it was very good movie and very fun. And also, my own little heart was like, I'm

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kind of getting to see Toys R Us again, which is, like, this whole thing that doesn't exist anymore. So it

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was fun.

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Elsie

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Yeah, the commercials, you can still find the old commercials on YouTube, but I don't know. I, like, loved

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that stuff as a kid. Like, when you I don't know, like, a whole aisle of Barbies where it's, like, as far as I

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can see, yeah, like, It's magical. It is. And, yeah, I hope I don't know I would like to take my kids to a big

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Toys R Us, but maybe, yeah, maybe eventually we'll find something. Okay, our last one. Okay.

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Remember computer labs?

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Emma

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Yeah, computer labs.

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Elsie

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This is so funny, because I actually, like my kids, do have computer. Lab at school, right? So they kind

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of like, I feel like this is one that, like, maybe a little bit we'll get to share, but yeah, like, for us, we were

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talking about, like, in college, I did not have a laptop my entire college experience yet. It just wasn't a

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thing that you had, or most people had yet at that time. And so I would just go into the library or go into

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the computer lab and write my long ass emails to, like, my friends and, you know, like, stay connected

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that way. And, like, I don't know, somehow I, like, knew every single person's email. Maybe that was

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just what we did in that time. I also didn't have a cell phone, but, yeah, it was, like, a lot of

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correspondence through emails. And I kind of miss that time, because I felt for a long time that my

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email box is kind of not that fun anymore, like it's not this place with like these, like deep actually,

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actually, okay, I will take it back. My newsletter has brought it a little more exciting.

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Emma

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Look forward to Katie did newsletter, Elise's newsletter and your newsletter. And that's kind of like, Oh,

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my friends, you know, are talking about something. You know, art or Katie's is about more, like habits

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and so, yeah, those are, like, my happy and other than that, I'm just like, opening it, looking for, has

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anyone checked in on my queries? You know, like, whatever.

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Elsie

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Yeah, yeah. When you're querying your email does become, like, kind of a weird place.

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Emma

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You get a weird relationship with it all of a sudden.

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Elsie

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it's like, I'm addicted to it, but also I'm scared. And yeah, I don't know, I miss the time when, like, now I

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feel like a lot of people do these long feelings messages on social media, and it can be so awkward

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when you see one that someone wrote, like, six months ago, but you're seeing it for the first time. Like, I

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hate that. It's one of the things I wish I could fix. Yeah, that is not fixable in this world. So yeah, I think

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bring back emails, and, if possible, also bring back written letters. Like I used to write letters to my

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friends. And, like, I want to bring that back, too. I think it's especially when you've read the

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correspondent, it's like, hell yeah. Like, I want to write letters to people. I think it's a wonderful thing to

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do, and I love to receive a handwritten letter. So, yeah, anything but a DM, anything but a long DM.

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Emma

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No, I also felt like, mostly in college, I guess, but the computer lab almost felt like the laundromat in a

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way, because, like, you would run into people, yeah, it was almost like a social watering hole type so I

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would go to the computer lab to do my homework and need the internet or whatever, you know, and I

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would run into a friend and we chat for a minute. Kind of same thing, like when I lived in apartment that

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had the laundry room in the basement, it's like, I would usually run into someone from the building, and

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we would chat a little bit as we would do our laundry. And same thing with the computer lab, and it was,

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and it's kind of like a coffee shop thing, like, it's similar, because now everyone goes to a coffee shop

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with their laptop or whatever, but the computer lab was almost like a place where you'd run into a friend

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before you do your homework, or they're finishing up their homework or whatever. You know, anyway, I

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love it.

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Elsie

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Okay, well, that was our millennial time capsule. We welcome your emails with more. We can maybe do

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a part two someday. I think it's a super fun subject. And yeah, hopefully it has you thinking about the

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things that have gone extinct in your lifetime, because there's, there's gonna be some for all of us.

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Yeah, things you miss, things you're glad they're gone. You know, there's all kinds of different things,

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things that now you have that you can't believe you've ever lived without before. Okay, so next we have

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a question about AI from Dana.

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Emma

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Dana says, I'm interested in hearing more about your thoughts personally and businessy on AI

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specifically as it relates to your blog and intellectual property, you've mentioned its impact on your

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business, but on the last episode, you mentioned entering in a class action lawsuit. Would love a deep

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dive on business impacts lawsuits, personal feelings about big tech ripping off your work. I'm mad about

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it. She puts in parentheses and whatever you say about protecting your work. IP in these times.

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Elsie

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Cool. Yeah, you want to go first. This is a big subject.

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Emma

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Yeah, well, I guess let's start. I'm kind of like, Okay, what if someone's just showing up for the first time?

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I was trying to think of it that way, even though we obviously talk to you guys as if you know everything,

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okay. I'm like, okay, so if you're showing up for the first time, how has AI impacted our business and us

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like, personally, slash, which, to me, is like business, because it's my livelihood. So I guess let's say

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that, for anyone who doesn't know.

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Elsie

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So our blog, a beautiful mess, has been our source of income for almost 20 years. I mean, it's been

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extremely successful. It's in its flop era right now, and it still gets around a million views a month. So it's

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been successful for a long time, and it's like a great blog, but in the last two years it has started, like

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crumbling into the ocean, like, in a way that's like, very quick and very devastating, because of the

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Google changes with AI snippets. Ai snippets, yeah, so I. The last few years before that, we worked

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super hard. I mean, like, I cannot state how super hard we did, a grind that lasted about three years

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trying to get our blog the best possible SEO positions. So when you google like, we still have some like,

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top top spots. When you Google certain recipes, there's one blog that's up at the very top, and that

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person receives a significant amount of traffic and money for popular recipes. So we were just trying to

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get some of those for many, many years, and it was our main priority. And it was there was a time when

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it kind of became the only thing that had potential on our site. Like a lot of people, I think maybe I'm

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going too deep into this, but we did what we had to do to make money.

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Emma

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It was a business. It still is.

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Elsie

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Yeah, yeah. We are. Our main priority was, you know, sustaining our income. And at the time, we still

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had employees and stuff. So anyway, when Google started adding in the AI snippets, we were like,

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suspicious at first. And at first it wasn't causing, like, huge drop offs, but it was like, it kind of did. It did.

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And there was a point when we lost half our traffic, like we had been working for years. We really

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wanted to get to 5000 sorry, 5 million page views a month, and we got to 2,000,002 summers ago, and

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then it dove off a cliff and went way, way, way down. And it was like, it was very heartbreaking,

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because, you know, we worked for that for that for years, and then over the process of the last year,

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Google started providing whole recipes in the AI snippet, so that now you don't have to click on any

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blog to get a recipe for kind of anything you want. And you know, everyone knows that you can't trust AI

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for recipes, but at the same time, it's a way to get the recipe without clicking into a blog with ads so it's

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appealing to people, and it does significantly change.

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Emma

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Or if you have one question. Like, if you're like, I'm making air fryer meatballs, how long should I cook

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them at 400 degrees? You're just wanting, like, one question like that, then I feel like, AI snippets,

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answer it really quickly. And for the record, I think it is a good product for the consumer overall, because

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I think it can, sometimes, yeah, answer the questions very quickly. And, like, kind of consolidate

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research so that you very quickly can get an overview of something. You can get the cliff notes, and the

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computer did it for you. And so, like, that's a good product for consumers. I think people use them

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clearly, and they're very useful, but they've been devastating for our industry, for blogging, so for

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publishers.

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Elsie

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And you know, obviously like the information that's in the recipe, because it's, it's now it's getting better

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to where it usually shares correct recipes, because it's kind of just stealing the information from the

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blogs. So, you know, the information has to come from somewhere. And to be fair, like we didn't invent

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popular recipes either, but we went through the work of, like, creating them, honing that, you know, like

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we made we made it in real life. We tested it. And AI can't do that, you know. We give like tips.

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Emma

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When I made it this thing happened, this, you know, stuff that might help you as a home cook. And AI

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doesn't do that because he, he doesn't cook, yeah, because he's got eater. Yeah, he does a lot of

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things, but he doesn't cook.

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Elsie

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So he just kind of repeats, repeats what we said. And then we went to a blogging conference last year,

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and every single session, because we were kind of like, okay, well, what's next? What can we do to

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evolve and like, sort of like, keep going. And every single session was like, Don't lose heart. It might not

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keep go like it was, like, every single session was about how AI is inevitably going to ruin this industry,

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and you just need to hang on for as long as you can. So at that point, we stopped making as many new

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recipes every month because there was no longer the same potential anymore. So, yeah, it kind of

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ended that part of our career. And I think the class action lawsuit was just, you know.

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Emma

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We're in two class action lawsuits, okay, do you want to explain we're in one with the company that

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does our ads, which is called reactive, you know, as you know, if you know what a class action lawsuit

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is, it's like lots and lots and lots of different people. You're just a part of a big, big group. So it's not like

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we're super duper involved in it, but we are a part of it. And it's because, you know, the search, or any

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AI, they were trained on content that was available. But it's, you know, it's kind of being ripped off. So

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we're a part of one for that, and then the other one we're a part of is for our books. So we have three

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nonfiction books that were written a long time ago, and you can look up the list of what AIS were trained

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on, what books they were trained on. Two of our books are on that list. So you know, like many authors

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and creators nonfiction and fiction, we're. Part of a class action lawsuit that has to do with that. I think it

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just got settled. I don't know what the numbers are for it. We're not going to make a ton of money from

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it, or anything, more than anything, to me, being a part of both of them was just to say we feel the way

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that these were trained was a rip off and wrong, and we want you know that to be known. But it's not

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like we're making a ton of money from it. We're certainly not. But I think that it's important that the

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companies that, you know, train their AI models on real content that people worked to create. You know,

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there is some compensation and some justice, I suppose. So you could look at it that way. So it was

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important to us in that regard. So that's why we're a part of those two. But yeah, our blog is like, never

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going to be the same, and it's a bummer. I think we both have had our own grief cycles with it, and I still

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feel it. Sometimes. We had to let go of our last employee who'd been with us for 10 years last year, and

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it's in large part because we can't sustain a staff because of the way AI has affected our blog, and that

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sucks really bad, and I really don't like it, but it's the reality we're living in. You know, as far as, like, I feel

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like Dana's question was also, like, kind of like, personal feelings about big tech, things like that, and I

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don't really feel like I hate AI like, I don't really feel like I hate technology. I don't like when, like, you

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know, I don't like the feeling of being ripped off. I don't like that feeling. But I think that many of the tools

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that it's that are being made and that are going to be made with it are, like, miracles, and a lot of them

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are going to be for people, you know, with disabilities, or, like, just medical things, or, like, there's just so

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many things that's like, good about it, but so far, it's definitely impacted my livelihood in an extremely

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negative way, and that's been not fun.

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Elsie

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Yeah, okay, I would say I try to be moderate. I try to stay moderate and open minded about every

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subject. That's just like one of my values. I don't want to be an extremist, so I'm not necessarily

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boycotting AI like I use it to make charts and graphs and stuff, but I don't use it for any purposes that

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have to do with my art or writing or creative work, because first of all, I think that it isn't good at those

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things at all. And I think that it's like, I do think it's making people dumber and less creative. Like, it's it's

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making you sort of, like, when you use your iPhone too much, do the maps I'm like, and now you you

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just don't have that same skill set anymore, like, you don't want to lose like, so make sure that you're

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not using it for skills that you want to maintain, you know, and if it's if it's busy work that you can forego

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great like, I support that I that's fine. Efficiency is good, but yeah, I would not use it, and I would also be

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very careful, like I have in the past, bought an E course where the entire e course was written by AI,

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and I was extremely disappointed, and I don't follow that person anymore, and I wouldn't support them

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in the future. And I've also had a few people who I love, who have their whole emails written by AI, and

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it embarrasses me. For them, I was just experiencing secondhand embarrassment. I'm like, Oh, you

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don't know that that looks like, like that look it doesn't look good. It's not it's not adequate. It's

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inadequate. Just know that when you're using it and don't use it for important work or work that you

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want to be known for, yeah, and I don't know, I hope that it cures cancer. I hope that it does good things

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that make it more worth it for humanity, like I kind of enjoy the stories about people who are using it

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romantically or for therapy or all these, like, very, to me, very strange ways to use it. I'm at least, like,

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intrigued by it. I'm not gonna lie, like, I want to hear the stories, because it's so weird and like it's

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happening so quickly, it's interesting. Obviously, I would not condone or support doing those things. I

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think it's very dangerous, and I would not use it to co work with you at its current phase, right now,

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because I just think it agrees with you too much. Yeah, like, I don't think it's a good critical enough. I

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don't think it's a good critical partner. It's not an equal. It's it's not, you know what I mean?

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Emma

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Yeah, maybe it will be though, eventually. I mean, it seems like it's definitely getting better and better.

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Elsie

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It will, I mean, yeah, and yeah, I already think that. Think it's ruined a lot of spaces, but I don't know.

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And scary, it's scary, like the videos that are starting to pass by that we're not noticing our AI, that

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scares me. There's a lot to it. It's complex, so I think I will avoid oversimplifying it, and I probably won't

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really listen to anyone who wants to simplify it, because I think this is, like, a huge, complex subject. I

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think the ship has sailed, but out of the bottle. The Genie's out of the bottle. But, yeah. Hopefully we can

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learn to use it more responsibly, and I don't know, at least as artists, we can protect our spaces and

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protect our own industries that we're in. If you lose your job because of it, we're sorry, and we do have a

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lot of empathy for you. And also it kind of happened to us too.

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Emma

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Yeah, and I'd love to see, you know, companies and also the government, more politicians talking

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about, what are we going to do with the people that are displaced? Not really me, because we're fine. I

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just thinking about, I feel like, every now and again it pops up in the news, like, oh, they say, pretty soon

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it'll all the trucks on the road will be and I don't know if that's true, but if it did become true, there's a lot

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of people who are displaced from their job that they do to, like, provide for their families. So like, what

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are we doing for them? What's happening? Like, does anyone have a plan? Yeah, I'd like to hear our

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leaders talking about that, because I'm concerned about it. It matters for our economy and it matters for

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my neighbors. You know, it matters. So, like, I think that's the hardest thing about progress, is, like,

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along the way, there's always, like, a kind of difficult side effect, and it's like, well, let's make sure that

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we're caring about one another as we go through this big change in our world. You know? Yeah,

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anyway.

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Elsie

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Okay, well, I hope, no, we didn't ruin your day with that. I think there's just, like, such a big ick

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surrounding it and yeah, there is, I don't know. Okay, let's do guilty pleasure treasure before we go and

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bring the mood back up. Yeah, okay, my guilty pleasure this month is the TV show traders. So after the

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Olympics ended, I was mourning very deeply that I want Johnny Weir in my life. And my friend Sherry

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was like, you have to watch traders. You're gonna love it. Johnny Weir is on the season. So my

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husband is, like, more of a reality show person than me, because he likes, like, survivor and so, okay,

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yeah, so he insisted we have to start on Season One, because if we start on season three, then we'll

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see spoilers and it'll ruin everything. He's just very strict about these things. So we're starting on

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Season One, and oh my gosh, I have so many thoughts about this castle. So they're in a amazing

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Scottish castle, and the decor is, it is the most generic, big box store mansion that is possible in the

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world. I've never seen a castle with less antiques. So I'm curious to see if, as the season, because

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we're on Season One, as the seasons progress, will the decor develop? Because I feel like to have a

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cast like, what is a castle without antiques, there are no oil paintings at all.

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Emma

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I'm gonna make you a t shirt that says I have never seen a castle with less antiques. I just feel like

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that's the quote.

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Elsie

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I mean, I was enraged. And if you had to be watching the show with me, you would hate me, because

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every single set like fake books, fake art, fake molding, saw it at Target. That floor is from the Home

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Depot last year. Like, I mean, I am just not, like, I don't understand why they decorated this castle this

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way. So, yeah, hold my hand. I'm gonna be okay. It is. It's a fun show, though. And I like, I'm not a big

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reality show person, so it feels like a treat. It feels like an indulgence, and it's something for me and my

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husband to do. So I'm happy about it, but I do hope that the castle gets a little more authentic. It is, uh,

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it's hard for me. It like, makes me feel like, like my limbs are on fire and I'm watching it.

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Emma

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Okay. Okay, you go. It's real rage bait, right. There it is. Okay. My guilty pleasure treasure this week is

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Little Debbie cosmic brownies. But yeah, here's why it's a guilty pleasure, not because, like, Oh, you

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shouldn't eat brownies. Obviously you should eat brownies. This is guilty because I, this week, bought a

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package, and I hid the entire package from my family. I did not show it to my kids, I did not show it to

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my husband, and I'm just slowly eating it. And I only eat them when no one can see it, because I don't

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want anyone to know where the package is? Oh, my God, one of my kids wouldn't eat it anyway, and I

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feel like my husband probably doesn't care. He would probably just make fun of me, but I just like it to

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be my own little secret, so it's hidden away in my house, my Little Debbie brownies.

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Elsie

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That's what I need to start doing with my Jenny's ice cream, because my kids started thinking it was

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their favorite ice cream and that I'm buying it for them. And I'm like, here's the problem with that. Get

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your own. It has to be in the freezer.

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Emma

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So no more difficult. Mine are hidden. I'm not saying my hiding spot, but they are not where you would

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think. So this problem, though, maybe you need, like, a different container that's like, something they

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don't like, you can put it in the container.

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Elsie

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I think I've seen something like this before that, someone saved like an old, like an old broccoli bag.

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Emma

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Yes, okay, that's what you need. That's an old broccoli bag and it's in there, then you can open up the

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bag. Get genius, yeah, that's what you need. Hiding food from your kids is a real thing. So, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, all right. Okay. Now it's time for a joke or a fact or a meditation with the best person on this

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podcast, Nova.

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Elsie

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Hey, Nova. What do you have for us this week?

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Nova

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A joke.

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Elsie

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Okay, I'm ready.

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Nova

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How do meteors stay clean?

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Elsie

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I don't know how?

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Nova

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They shower.

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Elsie

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That's a good one.

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Nova

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Have a good week.

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Elsie

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Thank you so much for listening. Send us your episode request for your absolute dream episodes,

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because we are trying our damnedest to get our summer schedule where we have recordings, but we

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do need more ideas.

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Emma

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Yes, you're a part of this.

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Elsie

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And I'm not against repeating an old idea either by the way, like 300 I think repeating is fine, and if you

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haven't noticed, we do it all the time.

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Emma

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I mean we've never done that before.

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Elsie

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Anyway, please send us your request, questions, comments, stories, book suggestions.

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Emma

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Yes, I am always buying your books. Thank you. Keep them coming.

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Elsie

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Podcast@abeautifulmess.com. Okay, we'll be back next week.