Guns N' Roses: Use Your Illusion I (1991): Track by Track!

<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Surely you Can't
<v Speaker 1>Be Serious Podcast. We are here for part two of
<v Speaker 1>our user Illusion one album coverage. We're going to start
<v Speaker 1>going through track by track here in just a second,
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<v Speaker 1>cover Use Your Illusion Part two track by track.
<v Speaker 2>Once we started talking about this d we realize pretty
<v Speaker 2>quickly that we need like an intro episode and then
<v Speaker 2>a track by track on Usual Allusion one, and then
<v Speaker 2>a track by track on Usual Allusion two.
<v Speaker 1>And there's just too much stuff to talk about, and
<v Speaker 1>then a drink.
<v Speaker 3>Do the bar.
<v Speaker 2>There is an amazing amount of stories behind in these songs.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, before we get rolling, I just wanted to share something.
<v Speaker 1>Last week we had Brad Moore come on on our
<v Speaker 1>Shirly showcase and tell us what he thought about ten
<v Speaker 1>versus never Mind. He communicates with us on Facebook all
<v Speaker 1>of the time and he has a great story about
<v Speaker 1>when black and usuer Illusion came out. He said that
<v Speaker 1>when Black came out, he was not a big fan
<v Speaker 1>because it was such a departure from Master Puppets and
<v Speaker 1>Justice for All, but he was still a big Guns
<v Speaker 1>n' Roses fan. He had been working in a movie
<v Speaker 1>theater and he remembers, you know, when the end credits
<v Speaker 1>came on for Terminator two, the you could be Mine
<v Speaker 1>came on, he said, in this theater speakers, it sounded incredible,
<v Speaker 1>he said. On the flip side, He's got mixed feelings
<v Speaker 1>about these albums, he said, I had just seen them
<v Speaker 1>in Dallas with skid Row openings, so I had already
<v Speaker 1>heard November Rain, Locomotive, and Live and Let Die because
<v Speaker 1>they had played them live before the albums were released.
<v Speaker 1>My apprehension came from the fact that GNR mostly Axel
<v Speaker 1>were lousy in that show. Two and a half hours
<v Speaker 1>had elapsed before they hit the stage. Following skid Row,
<v Speaker 1>people started fighting. When they finally came out, Axel sounded
<v Speaker 1>awful and someone threw a bottle at him, and he
<v Speaker 1>lectured the crowd and threatened to stop the show, and
<v Speaker 1>they pulled it together some and were better as the
<v Speaker 1>show went on. But it was obvious that they were
<v Speaker 1>starting to unravel.
<v Speaker 4>That's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about all those songs and all
<v Speaker 2>that unraveling here in just a few minutes.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you're ready to jump in track by track.
<v Speaker 4>Let's go track by track. Use your illusion.
<v Speaker 1>One Before we get going, I just want to point
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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years, face to face. And one
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.
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<v Speaker 1>Them, right, And I'm one of those guys who's self
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<v Speaker 2>First song out of the gate is a song called
<v Speaker 2>right next Door to Hell.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you come in with this awesome bass and then
<v Speaker 1>the scratch slide of the pick down the stringers of
<v Speaker 1>the guitar, and I'm already like, yep, they're kicking, but
<v Speaker 1>right out of the gate, super excited about it. Everything
<v Speaker 1>else comes in drum seems solid. They are different. I
<v Speaker 1>can tell the difference between Matt Sorum and Steven Adler,
<v Speaker 1>but they're still solid. And then Axel starts singing, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is like choppy?
<v Speaker 2>Can't really understand what he's saying.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't understand what he's saying. There's not a
<v Speaker 1>melody to it. I love the music, but when Axel
<v Speaker 1>comes in, I immediately like, Okay, hopefully this will get better.
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it gets better, And eventually I'm like, Okay, I'm
<v Speaker 1>moving on to the next song.
<v Speaker 2>This is a great live song. I'm sure you know
<v Speaker 2>you're pumping your fist. Hey, what's he saying? I don't care.
<v Speaker 2>I'm just rocking out at the concert, having a great time. Sure,
<v Speaker 2>this song's got an amazing story behind it.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's the best part of this day. The story.
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, the stories behind these songs are incredible.
<v Speaker 2>So in October of nineteen ninety, Axel has a neighbor
<v Speaker 2>named Gabriella Cantor who he called an over enthusiastic fan
<v Speaker 2>and apparently she was bugging him to hang out or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>So she calls the cops one night their next door neighbors,
<v Speaker 2>and she says that he hit her with a wine bottle. Right,
<v Speaker 2>He said she was a fanatic, she was a stalker,
<v Speaker 2>and she tried to drunkenly attack him.
<v Speaker 1>His I think his wife or girlfriend.
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Everley, had just had a miscarriage. She was in
<v Speaker 2>the back room asleep. This crazy girl comes banging on
<v Speaker 2>his door, and when he told her to go home
<v Speaker 2>and sleep it off, she tried to like wedge her
<v Speaker 2>way in the door, and she threw her keys at yep, okay,
<v Speaker 2>And so when he finally locked her out, he took
<v Speaker 2>her keys and like just chucked him as far as goes.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's on the twelfth floor. Yeah, even if
<v Speaker 1>he has a really bad arm, it's gonna be hard
<v Speaker 1>to find those teeth, that's right. So he had taken
<v Speaker 1>the wine bottle from her, dumped it out, and then
<v Speaker 1>he actually called the police. He called the sheriff's apartment.
<v Speaker 1>They just didn't seem interested. Yeah, are you inside now, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>I guess no threat then, right bye?
<v Speaker 2>I love that he just chucked her keys as far
<v Speaker 2>as he could from twelfth story.
<v Speaker 1>So they weren't interested whenever he called the police. But
<v Speaker 1>then she goes downstairs and has the front desk called
<v Speaker 1>the police and she says, he hit me in the
<v Speaker 1>head with the wine bottle, and that's enough to get
<v Speaker 1>the police over there. And soon Axel is walking in
<v Speaker 1>handcuffs to a patrol car and spends the next four
<v Speaker 1>hours in jail until he bonds out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, when asked for a comment, what happened to
<v Speaker 2>Axel give us a comment, He's like, yeah, I live
<v Speaker 2>next door to a psycho.
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting is I watched the MTV news clip on
<v Speaker 1>this one and the lead into this story was David
<v Speaker 1>Bowie and Queen suing Vanilla Ice first step saw under pressure.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that dates it a little bit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.
<v Speaker 2>MTV had a contest called evict Axel where they gave
<v Speaker 2>away this condo.
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful sunset strip property does everything a rock and roll
<v Speaker 1>could ever want. Axl Rose has to move a bar.
<v Speaker 2>A barbecue, and a pool within throwing distance.
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying it hasn't been used, it just hasn't.
<v Speaker 1>Been slept away. From the noise of angry neighbors.
<v Speaker 6>This wall has only been smashed once some guy's head,
<v Speaker 6>but it's been repaired.
<v Speaker 1>It's like you now faked. Taxel rose the possession of
<v Speaker 1>his condo.
<v Speaker 5>He's furniture, he's stereo eighties four.
<v Speaker 1>You can have the pad.
<v Speaker 7>I'm keeping my arms.
<v Speaker 2>MTV ran this is a vict Axle contest, which is
<v Speaker 2>super funny, and when you look at the pool, you're like, oh, Lee,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know though, they'll never find those keys. A
<v Speaker 2>Ohio college student won the condo from MTV. So this
<v Speaker 2>song was written by Axel is He Stratlin, who we
<v Speaker 2>talked about quit the band Yep, and a guy named
<v Speaker 2>Timo Caltillo. Yeah, who is a finished guitarist from Finland.
<v Speaker 2>He's from He didn't finish things. He finished this song.
<v Speaker 2>Hey wait, I've got a crazy game.
<v Speaker 1>What a coincidence. Let's write a song. Yeah. He and
<v Speaker 1>Izzy had put it together first, had kind of got
<v Speaker 1>the bones of it going, and then Axel has this
<v Speaker 1>experience and rounds out the rest of the song.
<v Speaker 2>All right, we're done with that one.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Next song on the album is called Dust and Bonus.
<v Speaker 8>Today he left.
<v Speaker 3>It out back on the.
<v Speaker 4>Sixty five.
<v Speaker 1>Shitay, okay, so you heard that back on the Highway
<v Speaker 1>I sixty five. That is the highway that went through Lafayette, Indiana,
<v Speaker 1>where Izzy and Axel grew up together. And according to Axel,
<v Speaker 1>this is about some dude getting run over on no way.
<v Speaker 1>That's how he lost his mind.
<v Speaker 2>This is a bluesy, western saloon feeling song.
<v Speaker 1>Totally different than what we got on Appetite, And that's
<v Speaker 1>true for so many of these songs. You've got punk rock,
<v Speaker 1>you've got classic rock, and you've got a whole lot
<v Speaker 1>of blues. Like this is so much more blues based
<v Speaker 1>than what.
<v Speaker 7>We got on Appetite.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting because Axel kind of wanted to move
<v Speaker 2>towards progressive rock, more Nine Inch Nails type of stuff. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>and Slash was very much no, We're sticking with the blues.
<v Speaker 2>Is he Straggling sings lead vocals on this song.
<v Speaker 1>This song to me is Aerosmith all over the place.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can hear Steven Tyler and as I'm
<v Speaker 1>getting through it, he literally does it. And if you'll
<v Speaker 1>remember from our Aerosmith episode, Slash was the one who
<v Speaker 1>ended up with Joe Perry's guitar that he had recorded
<v Speaker 1>Walked This Way and all those other icons with So
<v Speaker 1>I think that probably Aerosmith had to be a huge
<v Speaker 1>influence on this whole album, but definitely this song. I
<v Speaker 1>would love to hear Aerosmith cover Dustin Bones.
<v Speaker 2>Slash plays the voice box on this song. Yeah, we've
<v Speaker 2>covered the Richie Samboras and the we talked about Peter Frampton.
<v Speaker 1>Peter frampt to Come Alive, Yeah, and he and we
<v Speaker 1>Actually that story came up when we covered Appetite because
<v Speaker 1>there's one song in there that has the.
<v Speaker 2>Thing goes on popbox. Yeah, that's right. Actual stopped a
<v Speaker 2>show in Denver because there was a fan yelling and
<v Speaker 2>flipping him off while he played Dustino.
<v Speaker 3>Song hold It, Hold It, hold It.
<v Speaker 2>That dude right there, get him out of here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then later on different concert, but also stops
<v Speaker 1>because there's a guy in the front row who's got
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt on that has the name of the
<v Speaker 1>radio station that played in Lafayette, and he stops and
<v Speaker 1>starts talking with the guy. He's like, what's his name?
<v Speaker 1>Still the DJ over?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that station saved my life, you know, it's like
<v Speaker 1>that was my music that's cool, very cool. Okay. So
<v Speaker 1>to go along with that blues bass that we are
<v Speaker 1>now hearing, you are also hearing for the first time
<v Speaker 1>piano on the Guns and Roses song Tristan Bones. This
<v Speaker 1>is the first song that you've got Dizzy Reid playing.
<v Speaker 1>That's a whole new thing.
<v Speaker 7>To the ears of gn R fans.
<v Speaker 2>Not a lot of piano on Appetite for Destruction, No any,
<v Speaker 2>I don't think any. I don't think any I don't
<v Speaker 2>think any all right. Moving on song number three, Living
<v Speaker 2>Let Dye and.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to watch the James Bond like
<v Speaker 1>trailer with this version instead of the Paul McCartney version.
<v Speaker 7>I love the Paul McCartney version.
<v Speaker 1>It's great. I mean it was. It was a kicking
<v Speaker 1>butt song back then. Yeah, but yeah you you take
<v Speaker 1>it up to Slash's guitar and the hard and distorted
<v Speaker 1>sound that it gets it.
<v Speaker 7>I loved it. I loved the song when it came out.
<v Speaker 2>This was the second single released December third of ninety one,
<v Speaker 2>got all the way to number thirty three on the
<v Speaker 2>Hot one hundred and just in case there's somebody out
<v Speaker 2>there who doesn't realize it, this was the theme song
<v Speaker 2>for a Roger Moore James Bond movie called Live and
<v Speaker 2>Let Die. Actually said he felt like this was a
<v Speaker 2>sequel to Welcome to the Jungle.
<v Speaker 1>I could see that. Yeah, okay.
<v Speaker 2>He and Slash were on the phone one night and
<v Speaker 2>they would talk back and forth about songs they wanted
<v Speaker 2>to cover, and this was one that came up that
<v Speaker 2>they both loved and that they felt like seems like
<v Speaker 2>a hard rock song even though it's not hard rock, right,
<v Speaker 2>and so they gave it that g n R edge.
<v Speaker 2>The middle part when there's a breakdown, and it's the
<v Speaker 2>partway says what does it matter to you? When you've
<v Speaker 2>got a job to do, You've got to do it
<v Speaker 2>well and you've got to give the other fella hell.
<v Speaker 2>But he leans on it. You get that great axle
<v Speaker 2>vocal right there that part. I think it's golden love it.
<v Speaker 2>Matthew mccagan, who is Duff's brother, is one of the
<v Speaker 2>guys who plays horn on this track.
<v Speaker 1>And this one you get background vocals by Shannon Hoon,
<v Speaker 1>who was the lead singer of Lion Mellen. You say.
<v Speaker 2>It's brilliant lain.
<v Speaker 4>Watch in the bottle of gud.
<v Speaker 1>He joined them on multiple shows and he was in Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it was in a couple of videos.
<v Speaker 2>He's from Lafayette, Indiana. Oh there you go, the hometown boy.
<v Speaker 2>Here's this funny story for this one. Okay, Sir Paul
<v Speaker 2>McCartney that when his kids were at school, kids would
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, it's a great song. You guys heard
<v Speaker 2>that song with Guns and Roses. Wait a minute, that's
<v Speaker 2>our dad and they're like, no, no, no, that's Guns
<v Speaker 2>and Roses. Paul McCartney's kids were like, our dad wrote
<v Speaker 2>that song.
<v Speaker 1>That's awesome.
<v Speaker 2>So the music video for Living Let Die right, that's
<v Speaker 2>the last appearance as a member of Guns of Roses
<v Speaker 2>Frizzy Straggling.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, by.
<v Speaker 2>The way, if you haven't seen that video in a
<v Speaker 2>long time, I was a great shot at the very beginning.
<v Speaker 2>It's a little bitty kid, red hair, got little toy guns,
<v Speaker 2>pulds them out and it starts the whole video off.
<v Speaker 2>That's baby Axel.
<v Speaker 7>Oh okay.
<v Speaker 2>This song was featured in the movie Gross point blank.
<v Speaker 2>Remember that movie from the nineties. I do.
<v Speaker 1>Is that the nineties ten Minutes again? Oh yeah, that
<v Speaker 1>was John. That was John Cusack's comeback movie.
<v Speaker 7>They did a fantastic job with the song.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, song number four, don't Cry.
<v Speaker 1>So to this song.
<v Speaker 4>Is something.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this song predates everything, Axel says. This is the.
<v Speaker 7>First song they wrote together.
<v Speaker 2>This is the first Guns n' Roses song that's nuts,
<v Speaker 2>is't then crazy?
<v Speaker 1>Like eighty five?
<v Speaker 2>Right?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>They played this at their first concert as Guns N' Roses.
<v Speaker 1>Oh man.
<v Speaker 2>This was written by Izzie and Axel. They played it
<v Speaker 2>for the first time as Hollywood Rose in nineteen eighty five.
<v Speaker 2>It predates Guns and Roses' Sorry, but it was also
<v Speaker 2>on the set list for the first Guns and Roses
<v Speaker 2>concert June sixth of nineteen eighty five. This was really
<v Speaker 2>September seventeenth. This's your first Usual Illusion one single reached
<v Speaker 2>number ten in the US. There's a really cool part
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of this song. It's kind of subtle,
<v Speaker 2>says give me a whisper, give me a sigh.
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was pretty cool. You know what this
<v Speaker 5>song is about?
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm telling me. Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So, Izzy Straddling had been dating this girl. Her name
<v Speaker 2>is Monique Lewis. She had been seeing Izzy and they
<v Speaker 2>were kind of parting ways, and Axel kind of realized that, Hey,
<v Speaker 2>I think I really liked this girl and I'm going
<v Speaker 2>to go for it. And she was moving on to
<v Speaker 2>other things and couldn't take the rock and roll lifestyle anymore.
<v Speaker 2>And so she said, no, I can't see you either,
<v Speaker 2>and so he started to cry and she said, don't cry, Bill,
<v Speaker 2>this is pretty Axel. So it was a song about
<v Speaker 2>a girl breaking Axle's heart. Her face is tattooed on
<v Speaker 2>his bicep.
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's where I had heard that name before. I
<v Speaker 1>was just looking it up. I was just like, I'm
<v Speaker 1>pretty sure I remember from our Appetite episode that girl.
<v Speaker 7>That's the name of the girl tattooed on.
<v Speaker 2>His right bicet. Yeah, you know why they didn't put
<v Speaker 2>this on Appetite Instruction.
<v Speaker 1>No, here's the reason.
<v Speaker 2>Axel has said, we wanted to keep this as an
<v Speaker 2>ace in the hole because we didn't know if Appetite
<v Speaker 2>for Destruction would sell two copies or ten copies or
<v Speaker 2>two hundred copies.
<v Speaker 1>Right.
<v Speaker 2>We didn't want to use every single song that we
<v Speaker 2>had in our arsenal, and we felt like this was
<v Speaker 2>a good song maybe to hang on to album number two.
<v Speaker 1>Right, good call. Plenty of people bought this album because
<v Speaker 1>of that song. Yeah, this is my favorite song on
<v Speaker 1>the album. Okay, favorite song on the ALP.
<v Speaker 2>You know. One of the things I want to talk
<v Speaker 2>about at the end is what's the best song on
<v Speaker 2>the album? Yeah, what's maybe a song that should have
<v Speaker 2>been trimmed yep, and then maybe an undiscovered gem for
<v Speaker 2>people who are not familiar with his album.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Shannon Hoone sings background vocals on this song as well.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they actually credit him as vocals. Like the the
<v Speaker 1>credit for vocals is Axel Shannon background vocals. Isy, So
<v Speaker 1>he had enough of an impact that they said, we're
<v Speaker 1>giving you credit for the vocals on this one.
<v Speaker 2>So I think this song is beautiful. It's sad. Let's
<v Speaker 2>talk about the music video for just a second. Okay, right, So,
<v Speaker 2>epic music video directed by Andy Morahan. You have Stephanie Seymour,
<v Speaker 2>who is a Victoria's Secret model, yes, and Axel's girlfriend.
<v Speaker 1>The Victoria's Secret Model if you will.
<v Speaker 2>She was so hot majors, my gosh. So she's dating
<v Speaker 2>Axel at this time. During the video, they actually wrestle
<v Speaker 2>over a gun.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 2>His character in the video is going to shoot himself
<v Speaker 2>and she's trying to prevent him from doing that, and
<v Speaker 2>he finally just gives it to her. That event actually
<v Speaker 2>happened with Aaron Everley in real life. Yeah, Axel was
<v Speaker 2>going to blow his brains out. Aaron Everley kept him
<v Speaker 2>from doing that.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how you go and recreate an experience
<v Speaker 1>like that for a music video, but hey, and just
<v Speaker 1>so that we touch on it, apparently in this relationship
<v Speaker 1>between the two, Axel was the more stable one.
<v Speaker 2>When Stephanie Seymour is the less stable one. You got
<v Speaker 2>to know she's the back half. Crazy. Yeah, hot and crazy.
<v Speaker 2>That's the deadliest combination one.
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's that whole continuum you know the graph.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where she's ye on that graph. Yeah, So Izy
<v Speaker 2>Straddlin's not in the music video. You actually see a
<v Speaker 2>sign in this music video where it says where's Izzy guys?
<v Speaker 2>This the one where Axel wors the Nirvana hack?
<v Speaker 1>Oh right right? I think this is the video that
<v Speaker 1>he wore the Nirvana hack and he ultimately later on
<v Speaker 1>ends up burning it on stage. Yeah, the love hate
<v Speaker 1>relationship that he had with that.
<v Speaker 2>I've got a great story about this music video. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>So the director Andy Moorehn He tells a story about
<v Speaker 2>how they finally wrapped the video. I'm done with this
<v Speaker 2>crazy rock and roll band and his psycho girlfriend and
<v Speaker 2>all these nutsoe people. So he's like, I'm out of here.
<v Speaker 2>So he gets on the freight elevator to go down
<v Speaker 2>finally by himself, finally done, and he sees a hand
<v Speaker 2>reach in to stop the freight elevator from closing, and
<v Speaker 2>it's none other than Axel Rose getting on the elevator
<v Speaker 2>and Stephanie Seymour with him.
<v Speaker 5>Okay, on the way down the elevator.
<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind, this is just just down the elevator.
<v Speaker 2>Andy Moore hen says, I'm not going to say they
<v Speaker 2>were dry humping, but they were dry humping, and Axel
<v Speaker 2>had no care in the world there was another human
<v Speaker 2>being in the elevator with them. They were basically getting
<v Speaker 2>it on in the elevator while this guy is like
<v Speaker 2>cowering in the corner.
<v Speaker 1>He gus me, I just need to push floor three.
<v Speaker 2>So he said he was having a rock star moment
<v Speaker 2>and that that was that. Doug Goldstein, who is the
<v Speaker 2>manager of Guns N' Roses, when he met Stephanie Seymour,
<v Speaker 2>he goes to knock on Axel's door. When the door opens,
<v Speaker 2>there's Stephanie Seymour Victoria's Secret Model, completely nude, totally naked.
<v Speaker 2>Guy's like, uh hi, and she's like you.
<v Speaker 1>Just come on in.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, thanks, gotta go rock and roll craziness.
<v Speaker 1>What would you say, dear listener? In that scenario, you
<v Speaker 1>open the door and the Victoria's Secret Model is standing
<v Speaker 1>there naked is chamber but naked.
<v Speaker 2>Come on in. Okay, I think I'll sit over here.
<v Speaker 5>I'll have a coke.
<v Speaker 2>One more thing I wanted to mention. In the music video,
<v Speaker 2>Axel is being comforted by a therapist that's his real
<v Speaker 2>life therapist.
<v Speaker 1>What yes, the fashion model like bazoom mega hot? Oh
<v Speaker 1>my therapist, actual therapist.
<v Speaker 5>What do you think you chose her?
<v Speaker 1>She's a good doctor.
<v Speaker 2>Very gifted.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It's really epic. The part of the song I can't
<v Speaker 2>stand though.
<v Speaker 1>You know I'm going this, Oh, I absolutely do.
<v Speaker 2>It's the last note of the song.
<v Speaker 1>It's the oh shut up for like just let it
<v Speaker 1>in thirty seconds ah and you can hear Slash come
<v Speaker 1>back in with ding dunk dunk, yeah, dunk dunk dunk,
<v Speaker 1>Like could just stop.
<v Speaker 2>That's the part I don't like. Other than that, it's beautiful, yes,
<v Speaker 2>perfect song other than that end. Okay, are we done
<v Speaker 2>with Don't Cry?
<v Speaker 7>It's a shame, but I think so.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, We're done.
<v Speaker 1>All right.
<v Speaker 2>The next song on the album's song called perfect Crime.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so if this one again is very much like
<v Speaker 1>right next Door to Hell, where you're kicking butt right
<v Speaker 1>out of the gate, you know a band, and it's
<v Speaker 1>a van good riffy. I like it, but again, the
<v Speaker 1>vocals fall short for me. I'm with you, I'm with you.
<v Speaker 2>It's too choppy. It needs he needs to like spread
<v Speaker 2>out in his vocals.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's I don't know what is what do we
<v Speaker 1>call this rapping? It's kind of led zeppeliny the way
<v Speaker 1>he's doing it, but he's not doing it right this Fortunately,
<v Speaker 1>this one in an album full of really long songs, right,
<v Speaker 1>it's nice and short at two minutes and eighteen seconds
<v Speaker 1>twenty yeah, yeah, and we just looked at it and
<v Speaker 1>just figured it out. Right at the point that there's
<v Speaker 1>a minute and nine seconds left, you can hear Axel
<v Speaker 1>say T minus one oh nine and counting.
<v Speaker 2>It's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 1>It is pretty cool and yes, I was ready for
<v Speaker 1>it to be over at that point.
<v Speaker 2>This song was almost included on Appetite for Destruction. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>once again, another song that predates Appetite for Destruction.
<v Speaker 1>Because that's the thing, Like, they didn't come to the
<v Speaker 1>table with a whole bunch, Like they didn't get together
<v Speaker 1>as a band and write a whole bunch of new
<v Speaker 1>songs for this. This is almost all stuff that they
<v Speaker 1>had done before, which is good because they didn't like
<v Speaker 1>each other after the Appetite tour, right, they didn't care.
<v Speaker 1>They were done, They didn't associate with each other. They
<v Speaker 1>got together to record their music and do their live
<v Speaker 1>shows and that was it slashed As there was one
<v Speaker 1>time in all of this that they got together at
<v Speaker 1>his house and it was the whole band together, and
<v Speaker 1>he said, it felt like the old days where we're
<v Speaker 1>actually writing music together. But up until that point, the
<v Speaker 1>albums had been disjointed, the music had been just joined,
<v Speaker 1>and it was just that one night that they finally
<v Speaker 1>kind of glued it all together to make it what
<v Speaker 1>we have today.
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Perfect Crime was first performed in nineteen eighty six
<v Speaker 2>at Ackerman Hall at UCLA. Okay, it was like a
<v Speaker 2>frat party.
<v Speaker 4>Baa baa.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy to think that Guns n' Roses was playing
<v Speaker 2>the University circuit at one time. Yeah, that was on
<v Speaker 2>Halloween nineteen eighty six.
<v Speaker 1>Nice Halloween nineteen eighty six. I'm pretty sure I dressed
<v Speaker 1>up as Martin McFly. Nice.
<v Speaker 2>Got anything more to say about perfect crime?
<v Speaker 1>Nope?
<v Speaker 2>Moving on to a song called You Ain't the First?
<v Speaker 1>One two three one two May two three, Whoam and
<v Speaker 1>shot song?
<v Speaker 2>Just kid?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>One two three one two three. This is in three
<v Speaker 1>four time, and this is an acoustic This is very
<v Speaker 1>wise kind of sound.
<v Speaker 2>This song belongs on g n our Lives.
<v Speaker 1>It does, and it's three four time, which is unusual
<v Speaker 1>for you know rock band. Well I'm not that unusual,
<v Speaker 1>but it's unusual for Kins and Roses. Little waltz, little
<v Speaker 1>bluesy kind of waltz.
<v Speaker 7>Going on.
<v Speaker 2>You Ain't the first? This is another f you song.
<v Speaker 2>This is an few song to all the girlfriends that
<v Speaker 2>we used to have. You ain't the first and this
<v Speaker 2>girl ain't gonna be the last.
<v Speaker 1>Not surprisingly, this bluesy one was written by Izzy Stradlin
<v Speaker 1>as well.
<v Speaker 2>In ninety three, it was rumored that Axel would dedicate
<v Speaker 2>this song to Stephanie Seymour from the stage, Crazy Stephanie Seymour,
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Hot Yeah, sung by Izzy Axel and shannonhon Again.
<v Speaker 2>You got anything else on this? No?
<v Speaker 1>Well, the the guitar that's being played is a dough
<v Speaker 1>Bro style of guitar, which has that unique.
<v Speaker 7>Sound, and it's you play it with the slide.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Slash you're playing it on his lap,
<v Speaker 1>but generally when you see the big metal in the middle,
<v Speaker 1>that's going to tell you it's a dough Bro and
<v Speaker 1>it's got this kind of unique sound.
<v Speaker 2>I read that and I had no idea what that meant.
<v Speaker 2>I like the part at the very end of the
<v Speaker 2>song when they're wrapping it up and they're like, all right,
<v Speaker 2>that's the take to the bar.
<v Speaker 1>You're done, You're done done with this one.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's move on to the Barlet's take moving on
<v Speaker 2>to a song called bad Obsession.
<v Speaker 5>There's a harmonica.
<v Speaker 2>Hello, O harmon, Oh cow bell?
<v Speaker 1>I got a feva only prescription is more cow bell.
<v Speaker 2>This is very honkey talk.
<v Speaker 5>Its huge honckey talk.
<v Speaker 1>So the guy who is playing the harmonic, who also
<v Speaker 1>plays the saxophone on this one, is a guy named
<v Speaker 1>Mike Monroe. He was the vocalist for the glam punk
<v Speaker 1>band Hanoi Rocks, which you've probably heard of.
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Hanoi Rocks had the drummer that was killed by
<v Speaker 2>Vince Neil remember that. And yes, yes, the song was
<v Speaker 2>written by Izzy and West our Kin. We talked about him.
<v Speaker 2>He was a friend of the band, kind of a
<v Speaker 2>neighbor friendly thing. If West ended up losing his life
<v Speaker 2>to drugs, the song is about drugs, Schucker, there were
<v Speaker 2>drugs around the band. No, yes, Wow. I heard Axel
<v Speaker 2>talk about how this song actually predates but acts as
<v Speaker 2>a sequel to mister Brownstone, right, a prequel if you will.
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of a prequel.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and this is such a standard kind of
<v Speaker 1>honky tonk song. This is Once Bitten by Great White,
<v Speaker 1>This is keep your Hands to Yourself by George Satellites,
<v Speaker 1>this is honky Tonk Women by Rolling Stones, this is
<v Speaker 1>Jealous Again by the Black Crows.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's all that same kind of rhythm that
<v Speaker 2>is a whole mess of songs that we need to
<v Speaker 2>podcast about.
<v Speaker 5>Right, this is a good song.
<v Speaker 3>I like it.
<v Speaker 5>It's fun.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not really guns n' roses.
<v Speaker 1>It's not hard rock. No, this I mean, and that's
<v Speaker 1>what we talked about before. If you bought into Guns
<v Speaker 1>n' Roses because they were a hard rock this album
<v Speaker 1>is throwing you for a loop. There's a lot more
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on.
<v Speaker 8>Next song is a song called back Off Bitch, another
<v Speaker 8>great intro.
<v Speaker 2>This is pure guns and Roses to me, right. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's not a great song, but it has all the
<v Speaker 2>elements of guns and Roses.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>This is another song written prior to Appetite for Destruction.
<v Speaker 2>Axel says this song was written in nineteen eighty one.
<v Speaker 1>That's like back in Indiana.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that he's like eighteen, Yeah, something like that.
<v Speaker 2>The dates and times don't really add up, right, because
<v Speaker 2>he also said that this was written about his girlfriend,
<v Speaker 2>Gina Piler, who moved with him to Los Angeles in
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. She eventually kicked him out because shocker,
<v Speaker 2>he has anger issues.
<v Speaker 1>I'm snake, will you taking me up? So?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an old song. A guy named Chris Webber,
<v Speaker 2>who was a member of Hollywood Rose, sued Axel because
<v Speaker 2>he said that he wrote this song. Okay, but by
<v Speaker 2>the time he got around to suing him, the statue
<v Speaker 2>of limitations had ran out. Is he plays the guitar
<v Speaker 2>solo on this one. Okay, this is one of the
<v Speaker 2>ten songs played that first night when all five original
<v Speaker 2>members of Guns N' Roses played on that June sixth,
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five day.
<v Speaker 7>This is no case song for me, but nothing that
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna keep listening to you over.
<v Speaker 2>And over and fancy. Okay, I do want to point
<v Speaker 2>out something. A guy named Paul Hugy. Yeah, he gets
<v Speaker 2>writing credit on this. Yes, this is the guy who
<v Speaker 2>eventually took Slash's job.
<v Speaker 1>So he is a point of.
<v Speaker 2>Contention with the band members, right. Axel was friends with
<v Speaker 2>him in Indiana. He brought him around in the mid
<v Speaker 2>nineties and said, Hey, I've got this guy I want
<v Speaker 2>to bring in. Duff and Slash were like nope, and
<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, just just play with him and just
<v Speaker 2>see what you think. So they're like, okay, fine, we'll
<v Speaker 2>play with him. They play with him, and they're like nope.
<v Speaker 2>So the song Sympathy for the Devil, the one that
<v Speaker 2>came out for the interview with the Vampire soundtrack, Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Slash wrote that solo and when he had left, this
<v Speaker 2>guy named Paul came right behind him, copied it, but
<v Speaker 2>did it himself, and that was like the straw that
<v Speaker 2>broke Camel's backslashes out, moving on, moving on, Moving on.
<v Speaker 2>Next song is called double Talking Give.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this one starts off a lot like you
<v Speaker 1>could be Mine like that, but then it comes in
<v Speaker 1>with George Thurgut here right. So once again they're taking
<v Speaker 1>a very standard type of sound, the jive sound, and
<v Speaker 1>making their own song out of it, except that they've
<v Speaker 1>got lyrics about finding a head in an arm inside
<v Speaker 1>of a trash can and.
<v Speaker 4>God can.
<v Speaker 1>And then they've got lyrics and I'm wondering if this
<v Speaker 1>is it's got to be a reference to Patients, the.
<v Speaker 2>Song and the Lies, Yeah, the album right, no.
<v Speaker 1>More.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's clearly a reference to Lies and the
<v Speaker 2>song Patients.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you did what I'm saying.
<v Speaker 2>I dig what you're saying.
<v Speaker 1>All right.
<v Speaker 2>Here's the funny part about this song, Okay. Axel would
<v Speaker 2>dedicate this song to whoever was pissiting him off at
<v Speaker 2>the moment, right, So he has dedicated this to Izzy.
<v Speaker 2>In ninety three, he dedicated this to Lars Ulrich from
<v Speaker 2>the stage.
<v Speaker 1>Get this.
<v Speaker 2>He dedicated this in June of ninety two to Warren Batty.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because he had like hit on Aaron Evianley,
<v Speaker 2>he had hit on Stephanie Siemows. He also dedicated this
<v Speaker 2>song to George Bush and Bill Clinton that said the time.
<v Speaker 1>For you a bit. Yeah. I guess he was a
<v Speaker 1>Russ Parough fan.
<v Speaker 2>Whoever was bugging him at the time goes normal patience.
<v Speaker 2>So you may mention that the head and the arm
<v Speaker 2>found in the garbage can, right, So that was rumored
<v Speaker 2>that those were body parts of a porn actor slash
<v Speaker 2>director guy named Billy London.
<v Speaker 7>That's fascinating.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So William Ernold Newton had died just the
<v Speaker 1>October before. October nineteen ninety. He was murdered shortly after
<v Speaker 1>completing what would be obviously his last film, The Rip
<v Speaker 1>of Fashion. Newton's dismembered body was discovered by a transient
<v Speaker 1>and a dumpster near Santa Monica Boulevard. His murder remains unsolved.
<v Speaker 2>This was right outside the studio. I don't know if
<v Speaker 2>you know this or not, but Matt Soorm went on
<v Speaker 2>Celebrity ghost Stories, went back to this studio and they
<v Speaker 2>did that whole paranormal thing. Apparently Matt Sorum's pretty scooped
<v Speaker 2>out by it. Yeah, double talking jive, no more patience,
<v Speaker 2>no more lies. All right, let's move on to one
<v Speaker 2>of the pillars of the album one.
<v Speaker 1>Of This is the pillar of the album. All right,
<v Speaker 1>This is the This is the tenth pole of all
<v Speaker 1>tent poles of all albums.
<v Speaker 7>November eight.
<v Speaker 2>This song is amazing. This song was released February eighteenth
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen ninety two. It reached number three in the
<v Speaker 2>US and is the longest song to ever be in
<v Speaker 2>the top ten. At eight minutes and fifty seven seconds long,
<v Speaker 2>It's the second longest song on the album. Estrange is longer, right,
<v Speaker 2>but it's the longest song to ever reach the top
<v Speaker 2>ten for the Billboard Hot one hundred.
<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to spoil it for you, guys. I'm sorry.
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to do this. But Acxuel had been working
<v Speaker 1>on the song since before he joined Guns N' Roses,
<v Speaker 1>right right before he put it together. This was the
<v Speaker 1>song that when he showed back up to do his
<v Speaker 1>part on this album, they had thirty three songs in
<v Speaker 1>the camp like the band had done thirty three songs
<v Speaker 1>ready to go, and Axel could not have cared less
<v Speaker 1>about any of them. All he wanted to do was
<v Speaker 1>work on this song and work it out. And even
<v Speaker 1>when they first started with it, he didn't have it
<v Speaker 1>completely the way that he wanted it. And so there's
<v Speaker 1>this moment where he and Matt Zoram are sitting in
<v Speaker 1>the studio after recording. They're just sitting there and they're
<v Speaker 1>listening to Elton John. So I'm about to ruin this
<v Speaker 1>song for all of the non drummers out there, the drummers,
<v Speaker 1>you probably realize what was going on, and it's probably
<v Speaker 1>a distraction for you. Until I heard this story, it
<v Speaker 1>was not a distraction at all. And now I cannot
<v Speaker 1>hear the song without being focused on this. It's like
<v Speaker 1>hearing the fluorescent lights on. So Matt, Sorum and Axel
<v Speaker 1>are sitting in the studio after a day of recording.
<v Speaker 1>They're eating takeout, they're drinking a glass of wine, and
<v Speaker 1>they're listening to Elton John. And the Elton John song
<v Speaker 1>Don't let the Sun Go Down on Me comes on,
<v Speaker 1>and there's a couple of times that this little drum
<v Speaker 1>fill comes in on the song and this is this
<v Speaker 1>is what it sounds like. And let me so they're
<v Speaker 1>commenting on that little drum fill and Axel says, this
<v Speaker 1>is what we need for November Rain. That's the drum
<v Speaker 1>fill I want. And Matt's like, okay, where and ax
<v Speaker 1>was like, no, that's what I want In every single
<v Speaker 1>spot that there's a drum fill it needs to be that.
<v Speaker 1>It's so epic, it's so awesome. We didn't have that.
<v Speaker 1>So literally that drum pills played twenty three time, twenty
<v Speaker 1>three times.
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, right, we're not look into ya, I can
<v Speaker 2>see it.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I can't remember who the drummer was that
<v Speaker 1>tried to call Matt Sorum out on it, and the
<v Speaker 1>fact that he played the exact same drum pill twenty
<v Speaker 1>three times in the same song, but his response was basically,
<v Speaker 1>twenty two million albums sold, how about that? I was like, okay, sorry,
<v Speaker 1>you're right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll shut up. It's the same drum fill twenty
<v Speaker 2>three times, exact same yes, wow, Okay. The interesting thing
<v Speaker 2>to me on November Rain is that rumor is that
<v Speaker 2>Slash and Duff really didn't like this song very much.
<v Speaker 2>They didn't want the symphony right. They weren't true believers
<v Speaker 2>on this one, like Axel was.
<v Speaker 1>Right, and it wasn't even really a symphony. It was
<v Speaker 1>a synthesizer, which probably was even worse for them. Right.
<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing to me also, Acxuel had been kicking
<v Speaker 2>this around since nineteen eighty three. Tracy Gunns had worked
<v Speaker 2>on it with him for La Guns. Right, it means
<v Speaker 2>pre dating Guns and Roses. Let's talk about the music
<v Speaker 2>video for a second. Okay, the music video has everyone
<v Speaker 2>has the whole, every girlfriend, every crew member. Stephanie Seymour
<v Speaker 2>and Axel get married, and then later he's at her funeral.
<v Speaker 2>Slash's in charge of the ring at the wedding, and
<v Speaker 2>then he goes outside. It's funny because obviously they're inside
<v Speaker 2>a big church which was shot in Los Angeles. When
<v Speaker 2>he goes out the back door. Then he's at this
<v Speaker 2>tiny church in New Mexico.
<v Speaker 1>Little inconsistency there.
<v Speaker 2>In July of twenty eighteen, this is the first music
<v Speaker 2>video to surpass one billion views on YouTube. The first
<v Speaker 2>one when was that July of twenty eighteen.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, because we mentioned that Inner Sandman was it understandment it.
<v Speaker 2>Was nothing else matters, Okay, just just hit like this month, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like August.
<v Speaker 1>This song is a part of a trilogy. You've Got
<v Speaker 1>November Rain, You've Got Don't Cry, which you've already listened to,
<v Speaker 1>and then Estranged, which is on the next album, right,
<v Speaker 1>it's on part two.
<v Speaker 5>No, god, no, I mean this song's long.
<v Speaker 1>The song is almost nine minutes long. I can remember
<v Speaker 1>like being at home in this video coming on and
<v Speaker 1>thinking I really want to watch this, but I don't
<v Speaker 1>think I have the time.
<v Speaker 5>Let me just at least get to slash his guitar
<v Speaker 5>sol a little and then I.
<v Speaker 2>Can go yeah, yeah, awesome guitar song. Yeah, beautiful sweeping song.
<v Speaker 2>This music video costs over one point five million dollars
<v Speaker 2>to make, making it one of the most expensive music
<v Speaker 2>videos of all time.
<v Speaker 7>Okay, so at the end of.
<v Speaker 1>The video, it says inspired by, or based on, or
<v Speaker 1>something like that, the short Story Without You by Dell James. Interesting, Okay,
<v Speaker 1>and so I think if you want to know why
<v Speaker 1>she dies, since that's not answered in the video, you have.
<v Speaker 7>To read that story.
<v Speaker 2>I've never read it.
<v Speaker 1>No, we neither.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got some great stuff I want to talk about.
<v Speaker 1>Okay. One of the.
<v Speaker 2>Things that inspired him time wise. I'm not sure how
<v Speaker 2>this line's up, but when he saw what Tommy Lee
<v Speaker 2>had done on Home Sweet Home. He knew he wanted
<v Speaker 2>to incorporate piano into and make this grand song. Right,
<v Speaker 2>so Home Sweet Home impacts this song a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a really cool story.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, this song to me is very Layla.
<v Speaker 1>You get the pianos in there, and then you've got
<v Speaker 1>that break in the middle where you're like, oh, Raide's over, No,
<v Speaker 1>it's not.
<v Speaker 9>And Laila is very.
<v Speaker 1>Much the same way, like after the guitar sologos into
<v Speaker 1>kind of a different sounding song.
<v Speaker 2>It's like three songs in one. Yep, Harry Underwood plays
<v Speaker 2>this live, which I think that'd be cool to Underwood
<v Speaker 2>does she does Home Sweet Home too.
<v Speaker 1>I know, right, all right.
<v Speaker 6>I mentioned this before, but this song was number one
<v Speaker 6>in Colombia for sixty weeks. That's not that's over a
<v Speaker 6>year in the number one spot.
<v Speaker 2>And I told you that Axel was playing November Rain
<v Speaker 2>in Colombia and it started to reign and he thought,
<v Speaker 2>and this is super appropriate to have this wonderful, majestic song,
<v Speaker 2>the super cool prince like purple rain Moment's pretty cool.
<v Speaker 3>That is cool.
<v Speaker 2>Andy Moorehan directed the music video. This is the same
<v Speaker 2>guy that Axel was dry humping next to in the
<v Speaker 2>freight elevator. Andy Moorehan directed Faith and Father Figure by
<v Speaker 2>George Michael's Flashback to Our I knew, I ain't heard
<v Speaker 2>that guys name it Flashback to Our George Michael episode
<v Speaker 2>Versus in Excess. We mentioned that church in New Mexico,
<v Speaker 2>that church that slash comes out of, that small church
<v Speaker 2>in New Mexico. Yeah, it was in the movie Silverado.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the big church that they're in. The guy who
<v Speaker 1>is acting as priest for the wedding, yes, actual priest.
<v Speaker 2>Really.
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he was practicing anymore, but he had
<v Speaker 1>been before.
<v Speaker 2>Love this song, love it, It's to me. It's one
<v Speaker 2>of the big ten Toll songs of the nineties.
<v Speaker 7>It is this album Usual Allusion one is November one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I love, Don't Cry, Live and Let
<v Speaker 1>Die is a cover. This is the album.
<v Speaker 2>Well we talked, you and I talked. We're gonna give
<v Speaker 2>you our favorite song from the album, ye, our least
<v Speaker 2>favorite song from the album and maybe an undiscovered gem
<v Speaker 2>to me. It's November eight. It's this is the best
<v Speaker 2>song on Usual Usion one. We've done with this one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you need some time on your own. Now we're
<v Speaker 2>moving on. This song is called the Garden.
<v Speaker 4>No No, No, your brand.
<v Speaker 3>And buy Wow Ease you I the God.
<v Speaker 2>So to me, this is the undiscovered gem. This is
<v Speaker 2>my undiscovered gem on this Alum, I think this is
<v Speaker 2>a great song. Another song written prior to Appetite for Destruction.
<v Speaker 2>This song has Alice Cooper rapping. What is not to
<v Speaker 2>like about this song? The interesting thing to me is
<v Speaker 2>when they were making this song, Axel was singing the
<v Speaker 2>vocals and Slashed made the comment, you sound like Alice
<v Speaker 2>Cooper right right, And so they had done a song
<v Speaker 2>like a cover of an Alice Cooper song, and so
<v Speaker 2>they thought, well, let's just see if Alice Cooper wants
<v Speaker 2>to do it. So they call him up and say, hey, Alice,
<v Speaker 2>we've got this song. We want you to work on
<v Speaker 2>a crazy Man Topia give no one could show.
<v Speaker 1>You was glad?
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, Alice Cooper knew.
<v Speaker 2>Axel's reputation as a perfectionist, uh huh, and Guns N'
<v Speaker 2>Roses reputation is being very slow movers. And he said, okay, guys,
<v Speaker 2>I will come and I will sing on this song
<v Speaker 2>for you. Okay, But I've Got a Tea Time in
<v Speaker 2>an hour, literally an album that took four years to make.
<v Speaker 2>Alice Cooper did his part in one hour nice. I
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've seen the music video on this
<v Speaker 2>one didn't get played on MTV very much because it's
<v Speaker 2>all about strippers. This song was written by Axl Rose,
<v Speaker 2>Del James and West dar King. You know West Raking,
<v Speaker 2>their buddy who died of a drug overdose. The guitar
<v Speaker 2>that he used to help write some of these songs, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>was stolen by druggies when he overdosed and they were
<v Speaker 2>cleaning him out for all of his work. So also
<v Speaker 2>little known fact, Alice Cooper was given a platinum record
<v Speaker 2>for User Lesion one due to this song, but that
<v Speaker 2>platinum record was stolen when this House was broken into
<v Speaker 2>this song, The Undiscovered Gem Garden.
<v Speaker 1>Moving on all right.
<v Speaker 2>The next song, not to be confused with the Garden,
<v Speaker 2>is called Garden of Eden.
<v Speaker 5>It's skills.
<v Speaker 4>Massive guys, they.
<v Speaker 5>Sell to you.
<v Speaker 3>No no no, no, no, no no no.
<v Speaker 1>It's just spitting out a bunch of lyrics again on
<v Speaker 1>actual I don't like the song. I don't either. I
<v Speaker 1>don't either this.
<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people who think this is
<v Speaker 2>a great song. It's fast, it's repetitious, it's annoying, punk,
<v Speaker 2>it's annoying. It's yeah, it's not good. This was released
<v Speaker 2>as a single September seventeenth, ninety two. It had a
<v Speaker 2>music video that actually had a bouncing ball going over
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics. I'm not kidding.
<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, that's a fast moving ball on this song.
<v Speaker 2>If you really want some good commentary on it, beave
<v Speaker 2>us some. But heead covered this song.
<v Speaker 5>Audio shut Up.
<v Speaker 2>This was one of the only songs that they wrote
<v Speaker 2>while they were in Chicago in eighty nine. Slash Duff
<v Speaker 2>Steven go out to Chicago axles like, hey, let's meet
<v Speaker 2>to Chicago and work on new stuff. They go out there,
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't show up for two weeks. This is one
<v Speaker 2>of the songs they completed during that time. This is
<v Speaker 2>one of those songs that he didn't want to hear
<v Speaker 2>when he came and started working on November ring right.
<v Speaker 2>This video was shot the same day that they shot
<v Speaker 2>the Yesterday's video. They were sitting around They're like, we
<v Speaker 2>got all the cameras here, we're all here, might as
<v Speaker 2>well might as well.
<v Speaker 1>They did this video on.
<v Speaker 2>One take and it was one of those like fish
<v Speaker 2>eye camera lenses. When you look at it there, it's
<v Speaker 2>all right up in their face. They're all jumping around
<v Speaker 2>right into it. They did one take. They knocked out
<v Speaker 2>two videos, Yesterday's and Garden of Eden same day done
<v Speaker 2>with this one, very done. The next song is song
<v Speaker 2>called Don't Damn Me, Yeah, no damn Me? Want to
<v Speaker 2>thinking of me a Mia side and says in golden way,
<v Speaker 2>I'm old.
<v Speaker 4>It's see I'm.
<v Speaker 1>On a band to a baby speaking of beat us.
<v Speaker 2>I hate it's like bugs bunny sound effect right there.
<v Speaker 1>This was actually okay, of these songs that are not,
<v Speaker 1>you know, well known, this is one of the want to.
<v Speaker 7>Talk like a little bit.
<v Speaker 2>This was on the list of hidden gems for me.
<v Speaker 2>I love the song. Slash has come out and said
<v Speaker 2>that this is one of his favorites from Usuallysion one. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's got that great guitar, super fun, it's it's high energy,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's good. They don't sing the song live because
<v Speaker 2>the vocals are too hard and I want to dry.
<v Speaker 2>It's I'm gonna get sometimes I get it up, which
<v Speaker 2>is crazy because Garden of Eden seems like a way
<v Speaker 2>harder song to sing. This song was written in response
<v Speaker 2>to the critics over the song one in a million. Oh, okay, okay,
<v Speaker 2>that's enough of don't damn Me? Good song? Not a single, right,
<v Speaker 2>it's pretty good. I like it. There's a lot of
<v Speaker 2>songs on these albums, yes, all right. Next song is
<v Speaker 2>called bad Apples?
<v Speaker 4>All right, So what do you think about Bad Apples?
<v Speaker 1>Another very bluesy one. I actually kind of dig it,
<v Speaker 1>strong blues influence. Again, do you like apples? I get
<v Speaker 1>a number?
<v Speaker 2>How do you.
<v Speaker 1>Just kidding? So what did you think?
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's kind of a skipper for me.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not as bad as some of the others
<v Speaker 1>for me. I can listen to that one before. Some
<v Speaker 1>of the others were Actuals just spitting out the lyrics.
<v Speaker 1>This one at least has a melody to it, and
<v Speaker 1>it's I will say this about the songs on this
<v Speaker 1>album is that the music is good on every single song.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, not like what Actual has done with the
<v Speaker 1>lyrics and how he and melodies on some of them,
<v Speaker 1>but the band is on point on every single song.
<v Speaker 2>More saloon rock, more hockey tonk, more piano yep. The
<v Speaker 2>next song is called Dead Horse.
<v Speaker 1>Sick of it's life. Not that you can. I'm not
<v Speaker 1>the only.
<v Speaker 2>One with these feeling that's him.
<v Speaker 1>Nobody ununderstands.
<v Speaker 2>Why why why? He? All right, So this song sounds
<v Speaker 2>like Nirvana.
<v Speaker 4>Like the very beginning of this.
<v Speaker 1>It's very Nirvana unplugged, but then it changes your matter
<v Speaker 1>and then it kicks into roses. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Now, okay, so just a couple of tidbits on Dead Horse.
<v Speaker 2>I know that our buddy John Reid of the thirty
<v Speaker 2>something movie podcast and the podcast Full of Cryptonite. Yes,
<v Speaker 2>go subscribe, Go subscribe right now. Ass, he's a big
<v Speaker 2>fan of this song dead Horse.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's all right, not my verite.
<v Speaker 2>Even though this was never released as a single, there
<v Speaker 2>was a music video made on this one in ninety three. Okay,
<v Speaker 2>this song was written by Axel. And then also at
<v Speaker 2>the very end of the song you get the audio
<v Speaker 2>of a fast forwarding sound, which I think is totally
<v Speaker 2>appropriate on this one. Moving on, all right, and finally
<v Speaker 2>we get to the song called Coma.
<v Speaker 4>All right, Dee, tell me how you feel about Komba?
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, Koma is one of those ones that I
<v Speaker 1>was not familiar with before we started doing this. I
<v Speaker 1>didn't own Use Your Illusion one whenever it came out.
<v Speaker 1>I think I actually did own Use Your Illusion to
<v Speaker 1>but Cooma, it's kind of epic. It's one of those
<v Speaker 1>throwback to the seventies, like full On. You've got a
<v Speaker 1>long drawn out socket, kumy and a koma. I think
<v Speaker 1>I wanna.
<v Speaker 2>Emma Kima? What kind of that I get in a coma?
<v Speaker 1>There's no chorus. I think it like, you know, repeats
<v Speaker 1>a verse, maybe a little bit here and there in
<v Speaker 1>a ten minute long song. That's kind of crazy.
<v Speaker 2>It's darker, it's got some anger to it, throws out
<v Speaker 2>a couple of cuss words, which was appealing when you're
<v Speaker 2>fifteen or fourteen or whatever.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Like Slash had written the music for this thing,
<v Speaker 1>this giant mammoth of a song that they have, and
<v Speaker 1>actual felt a bit overwhelmed at having to write the
<v Speaker 1>lyrics for this thing, but he threw it back to
<v Speaker 1>an overdose like he had tried to take a bottle
<v Speaker 1>of pills. That was the inspiration for this song. So
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty tough in and of itself. But the amazing
<v Speaker 1>thing that I did not know they did this song
<v Speaker 1>in one take. Oh wait, played it together one take
<v Speaker 1>and that was it. What I did not know that, Yes, Glad,
<v Speaker 1>it got to blow your mind on that one, because
<v Speaker 1>it blew my mind when I heard it. Ten minute
<v Speaker 1>long song. One of the fans' favorites off of this album,
<v Speaker 1>and they just captured Lightning in a bottle man.
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely one that you hear as a quiet masterpiece.
<v Speaker 4>People love this song. Yeah, it took some growing for
<v Speaker 4>me to appreciate it, but it's different.
<v Speaker 1>There's a great interview that Kurt Loader had with Axel.
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Loader's kind of like, well, you know you worried
<v Speaker 1>about any of these songs. He's like, oh, well, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>one of them. There's one that's like eleven minutes and
<v Speaker 1>forty five seconds long and has my chorus.
<v Speaker 4>Nice.
<v Speaker 2>We talked about how this was written to and slashes
<v Speaker 2>heroin days. Axel mentions his overdose. We've already talked about
<v Speaker 2>how Steven Adler's had twenty eight overdoses so far.
<v Speaker 4>You like this one, then, huh? Masterpiece?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I don't know that I would.
<v Speaker 4>I mean, definitely a lot of the people think it's masterpiece.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would call it a masterpiece,
<v Speaker 1>but it is it's definitely worthy. Like it is. You know,
<v Speaker 1>what I thought of is this to me is like
<v Speaker 1>a next chapter for Welcome to the Jungle. Like it's
<v Speaker 1>got that same type of sound, same type of feel
<v Speaker 1>going from you Gonna die to You're in a coma. Well,
<v Speaker 1>I mean, hey, maybe so maybe that's maybe part two.
<v Speaker 4>Maybe, So that's that's interesting.
<v Speaker 2>It is Guns and Rose's longest song to date, at
<v Speaker 2>over ten minutes long. Axel actually described this song on MTV.
<v Speaker 2>He was talking about how this song was Slash his baby,
<v Speaker 2>but when he wrote the lyrics, he talked about when
<v Speaker 2>he overdosed. In his words, he said, I just grabbed
<v Speaker 2>a bottle of pills in an argument and gulped them down.
<v Speaker 2>I ended up in the hospital, but.
<v Speaker 1>I liked that.
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't in a fight anymore. My first real thoughts were,
<v Speaker 2>you haven't toured enough, the record's going to be forgotten.
<v Speaker 2>You've got work to do. Get out of this. So
<v Speaker 2>I woke myself up and got out of that coma
<v Speaker 2>and got back to work. Slash then says I wrote
<v Speaker 2>coma in my heroin delirium. But that's a song that
<v Speaker 2>I'm still proud of, all right, So that is it
<v Speaker 2>for gun Zero's usual illusion one. We kind of alluded
<v Speaker 2>to this, I want you to give me, give me
<v Speaker 2>your best song, give me your song that you would cut,
<v Speaker 2>and give me like a one off the Beaten track
<v Speaker 2>that you like.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I don't know, it's not really off the
<v Speaker 1>Beaten track, but Dustin Bones is one that I really
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that I hadn't been super familiar with before. Best
<v Speaker 1>one is definitely Don't Cry for Me, and so then
<v Speaker 1>that leaves me with the one that I get rid of,
<v Speaker 1>which is probably the first song on the album I like.
<v Speaker 1>I still like I said, I like the music, but
<v Speaker 1>I think he just destroys it with his lyrics and delivery.
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So for me, my best song is November Rain
<v Speaker 2>Well and closely by Dunk Cry. I think they're both
<v Speaker 2>epically beautiful, awesome ballads off the Beaten track. For me,
<v Speaker 2>I would definitely say the Garden I agree with you,
<v Speaker 2>Dustin Bones, and then also Don't Damn Me, and then
<v Speaker 2>the one that I would cut, honestly, it's going to
<v Speaker 2>be Gardener Eden.
<v Speaker 1>Okay.
<v Speaker 2>So we reached out to Russ at the Infectious Grooves
<v Speaker 2>podcast and asked for his opinion on these two usual
<v Speaker 2>illusion albums and Metallica's Black Album. Here's what he had
<v Speaker 2>to say.
<v Speaker 9>Hey everybody, this is Russ from the Infectious Groove podcast
<v Speaker 9>from over in Detroit, Michigan, and I was reached out
<v Speaker 9>to by Jason Indeed ask for my quick thoughts overall
<v Speaker 9>on the Black album and Use Your Illusion one and
<v Speaker 9>Use Your Illusion two. I will tell you that I
<v Speaker 9>think the Black Album got hated on by a lot
<v Speaker 9>of Metallica fans just because the sound was so different.
<v Speaker 9>But I never really bought into that when the album
<v Speaker 9>came out, because, in my opinion, the band had just
<v Speaker 9>finished making some of the best thrash metal records of
<v Speaker 9>all time in a row. They were already on top
<v Speaker 9>of the mountain, like there really was a anywhere else
<v Speaker 9>to go in a different direction. So I was very
<v Speaker 9>happy that they were trying to do something different at
<v Speaker 9>the time. And not only were they trying to do
<v Speaker 9>something different, but they did it very very well. Now,
<v Speaker 9>Use Your Illusion definitely gets dogged a lot, and the
<v Speaker 9>terms you always hear come up as people always say,
<v Speaker 9>oh it's too long or oh it's way too bloated.
<v Speaker 9>I couldn't disagree more instead of a term like bloated.
<v Speaker 9>The term I always used to describe Us Your Illusion
<v Speaker 9>wanted To is ambitious. I mean, sure, there's some bad
<v Speaker 9>songs on Usual Illusion wanted To, like Shotgun Blues, Get
<v Speaker 9>in the Ring. There's actually a hit that a lot
<v Speaker 9>of people like that I don't. Garden of Eden was
<v Speaker 9>a fairly big hit that a lot of people like,
<v Speaker 9>and I'm not a huge fan of that. But then
<v Speaker 9>there's incredibly underrated songs on Usual Illusion one to two,
<v Speaker 9>like Locomotive, Bad Apples, coma fourteen years breakdown, And that's
<v Speaker 9>in addition to some fantastic covers, their version of Live
<v Speaker 9>and Let Die, and they finally committed to a studio
<v Speaker 9>version of Knocking on Heaven's Door. That's great as well.
<v Speaker 9>So with everything going on around the band and the
<v Speaker 9>egos and and everything that was going on around Guns
<v Speaker 9>and Roses at the time, to me, it's a miracle
<v Speaker 9>that Us Your Illusion was even released, let alone to
<v Speaker 9>have as many incredible songs as it does on it. So,
<v Speaker 9>you know, again, while some people want to say, oh
<v Speaker 9>that's you know, it's too bloated. For me, it's definitely
<v Speaker 9>just ambitious, which is great. So for my ranking of
<v Speaker 9>the three albums in number three, I would put the
<v Speaker 9>Black Album number two. I would put User Illusion one,
<v Speaker 9>and then of the three, the one that comes in
<v Speaker 9>is the best for me is Use Your Illusion Too.
<v Speaker 9>I don't have anything against the Black Album at all,
<v Speaker 9>but I just think the User Illusion records are better
<v Speaker 9>overall because of their ambitious nature and the diversity of
<v Speaker 9>the tracks involved. For me, the biggest argument for User
<v Speaker 9>Illusion one comes from November Rain and then the rest
<v Speaker 9>of the record with tracks like Bad Apples, Don't Damn
<v Speaker 9>Me Coma, which is amazing. Some of the best lyrics
<v Speaker 9>Acxle ever wrote are on the complete outro to the
<v Speaker 9>song Coma. But User Illusion two has a lot of
<v Speaker 9>greatness spread throughout the album, rate from the first track
<v Speaker 9>on with Locomotive into Strange enough honestly to carry the
<v Speaker 9>victory for me of User Allusion to over Use Your
<v Speaker 9>Illusion one. Then you have stuff like fourteen years and
<v Speaker 9>Breakdown that just pad the lead in my opinion. And
<v Speaker 9>then on top of that, honestly, the alternate lyrics of
<v Speaker 9>Don't Cry that are found Unusual Allusion to are way
<v Speaker 9>better than the lyrics to Don't Cry Unusual Illusion one.
<v Speaker 9>So again, thanks for asking my opinion on the topic.
<v Speaker 9>This is Russ and the Effectouscrew podcast, and that's how
<v Speaker 9>I feel about the Black album and User Illusion one
<v Speaker 9>and two.
<v Speaker 1>Not to take away from anybody else who's contributed, but
<v Speaker 1>what a great analysis that was, right. But I mean, hey,
<v Speaker 1>the guy's got his own music podcasts. Of course it's
<v Speaker 1>going to be a great analysis. I loved it. I
<v Speaker 1>loved what he had to say.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he nails it right. I mean, he's got
<v Speaker 2>several songs that he thinks were underrated, a couple of
<v Speaker 2>bloated ones, a couple of ones that need to go.
<v Speaker 1>I don't like you and I.
<v Speaker 2>You know, Russ nailed to right on the head.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean ambitious is the right word to use.
<v Speaker 1>I think he's so like he's hit the nail on
<v Speaker 1>the head. It is ambitious. I mean, not only do
<v Speaker 1>we have two full albums released at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>but both of those albums have nearly an average of
<v Speaker 1>fifteen songs each. Right, So that's impressive in and of itself.
<v Speaker 1>So it'll be interesting to see where you and I
<v Speaker 1>fall on Use Your Illusion one versus Use your Illusion
<v Speaker 1>to versus Black. But he's definitely given us some food
<v Speaker 1>for thought.
<v Speaker 2>Russ, thank you very much. That's Russ at the Infectious
<v Speaker 2>Crews podcast. They have a great show over there. If
<v Speaker 2>you like music, they're a great place to go.
<v Speaker 1>Check them out. Yeah, do that, Go subscribe to those guests.
<v Speaker 1>All right, that does it for our user Illusion one episode.
<v Speaker 1>Come back next week we will dive into use your
<v Speaker 1>Illusion Part two.
<v Speaker 2>Only fourteen songs on that one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, whosh.
<v Speaker 7>This is an undertaking.
<v Speaker 2>That's what's tough.
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