Under the CineMat Ep. 5: Rocky III (Part 1)

Would you care to comment on how you plan to fight Balbo? What's your
strategy? Don't need any Babo is so predictable and stupid. The man comes
straight ahead, he's still a maid for me, and he's gonna get hurt.
No. I don't hate Babo, but I pitied the fool and I
would destroy any man who tries to take what I got. What's your prediction
for the fighters? Prediction? Yes, prediction. The Lapsed Fan presents under
the Cinematic. Yeah. I love to talk film. I have come here
to chew bubble gum and kick out. They break gold. You're going nowhere
under the cinemat, get get out. I pick up guns. Bad things
happen to people. I don't like that. Leave a movie to make.
Can we all pull together here? Right? All right? I am good?
If you are good? Yeap? And three two three? I did
it? Did you did he? Did you do about that thing? Is
it twenty twenty one? It's twenty twenty one, and I figured, fuck
it, What better way to start off this new year than by going back
to the beginning. Because this is where you know I'm gonna come out and
say this. This is where wrestling kind of took a different turn regarding the
movies. I know we have like there are tons of movies that happened before,
but this was different. This was like a real, a real uh
you know this this movie elevated hul Cogan. Oh, helped elevate Hulk Cogan
into what we know today. And and you know, it's it's it's a
fucking it's an amazing story. Yes, it's an amazing story. Yes,
how we get to Rocky three? And what becomes of everybody after Rocky three?
Now, how are you? What's your relationship like with the Rocky movies.
I'm a big fan, not a devote I mean I can't cite you
know, chapter and verse or lines of dialogue necessarily, but Rocky three was
a very early film memory of mine, you know, after discovering hul cog
and of course I famously discovered hul Cogan and No Holds Barred? And which
which bar? And it's called No Holds the Nobles Bar. It's right next
to the friendly tap your an Island. But yeah, I mean cannon,
Yeah, sports on the big screen leveraged for ultimate drama. It's it's uh,
it's set some standards in my mind, rock franchise. I'm not a
big fan of the Rocky movies. I I kind of find kind of I
find them boring for the most part. I like, I like to say
Rocky, I might be saying that that Rocky I'll say this. At least
Rocky two for sure sucks. Yeah. I fucking hate Rocky two. Yeah,
I remember, you know, and I'm I didn't grow up watching them.
I had seen part of Rocky the first Rocky one time at a relative's
house at the very very end, and I didn't come back to watching it
again until the first one until I was in college. And keep in mind
here, I am a wrestling fan. I never watched Rocky three for four
years. I can tell you exactly when I saw it for the first time,
which was in twenty twelve, and I said, you know, I've
never really watched all the Rocky movies. I've seen one. By this time,
i'd seen four and I went, you know, I was like,
I wonder if I can you know, get into this and two was just
a slug. Yeah, just the fucking worst movie. It was so boring
and like he you know, the whole plot line of him not wanting to
face the you know, Apollo Creed again. I was like, oh my
god, Like, how many fucking times you have to not want to like,
just fucking do it, you know, and win the damn title.
I can understand not wanting to face Apollo Cruise, But that's very true.
That's very true. How can someone like yourself not see Rocky three until twenty
twelve, Dude, I have no idea. I have no clue how that
happened. But I never I just never because you know what, I just
wasn't a fan. I was not a Rocky fan. And and I'd seen
it, you know, I'd already hold Cogan already won me over ten times
over, So what was the point. But then I watched it and I
like this one. I will say that I like three, and I like
four. I hate one, two five, and I hate Rocky Belbow and
I have not even seen the Creed movies. But it actually it was funny
is that I actually found in doing research for this, I found out that
stallone, So stallone does one, he does two, and by the time
he's contracted to do three, he says to himself, I not write about
He's like he didn't know what to do and didn't have a good ideas for
Rocky from a character from a character point standpoint, so all he did was
make them more about the fights. And I was like, oh, that's
probably why I like three and four because I don't I just don't give a
shit about Rocky Balboa, right, Yes, its just thought so much about
the character. It's about the action, right And yeah, I honestly believe
that that might be. Why is that it's about the fights? And five
is just a disaster? Well, you know, to me, it's like,
as a combat sports fan and the man boxing in particular, there are
so many storylines that are thread through actual fights, yet that you know,
the more evocative they are of what happens to Rocky or magical. It seems
to me all the way through to Reradikatur bet Tim Soviet in two thousand and
seven, just as Rocky Bilboa came out in this idea of like the weather,
an old fight that's training be hubs back and it's the tale of the
of the younger Champion one more time, it just seems to be like the
most poetic yep, stuff that's happened in real fights are sort of related to
Rocky and and Roger three. We have that ultimate example of what happens when
someone achieves fame before they're ready for it, which is and praise before they're
ready for it, exceeds even their own expectations of what they're able to do
on the big stage, and then totally shits the bed in terms of keeping
up that level of discipline and focus young and let it celebrity cut in on
the kind of work that got them there in the first place, and then
hekay the price for it. I mean, I guess I like it because
that's that's that's a real strength that really happens and fights for it, and
uh and and and Stallone actually goes so far as to say that part of
the inspiration for Rocky three was his own, uh celebrity status, that kind
of he was not ready for it, and so a lot of it,
you know, I mean, a lot of the Rocky news are autobiographic.
He's written, he's written all of them, written, all Mesney and I'm
getting to vent a little bit more. But yeah, he would always have
elements of his own life into the movies, and I think that's that's definitely
a huge Marcaus He said that he just didn't. He was just totally overwhelmed
and he had these people who were protecting him and they didn't let him be
himself. And people started to shoot on him because of his because of his
people, because of his team, you know, his management team and his
and his agents and stuff like that. So a lot of them. I'll
tell you who doesn't protect him his thunderlips. No, we're not talking about
a protected fight at all. He goes into business for himself here. It
is alarming, is it not? How big Hogan is? Oh my god,
you so loose sight of that, because the thing about Hogan's run,
you know, the run, was that they found the biggest fucking guys they
could find to go up against him, and you lose sight of how massive
he is compared to regular sized athletes. Yeah, and this movie really,
I mean, if you hadn't heard of Hulk Hogan before you and you saw
this movie, I feel like you went into the Hulk a Mania era with
a much different initial sense of who Hulk Hogan was as this kind of domineering,
preening, bullying kind of heal And it must have been weird to see
him as a babyface on MTV all of a sudden that and but I can
also I can also understand, you know, again seeing this for the first
time, before you and I started this show, I couldn't appreciate it as
much. But talking, you know, having gone through WrestleMania and all those
kind of early on shows, I can understand now watching this again why Hulk
Hogan was so attractive to people, because he was just this literally larger than
life being, you know, just towering above. Because here you go,
and honestly, I don't if you the stars were aligned here without a doubt
with Hogan being in in Rocky three because and Hogan talks about this too.
You look at to the world and to anybody, you know, because you're
used to seeing movies on a big screen and whatever. You see Rocky Balboa,
you know, the the character, and he looks huge and he's always
ripped and everything, and but you think of him as huge. Stallone's five
ten. He's an inch shorter than me, all right, He's he's not
a big guy. So there's like no one on WW roster or during Hogan'
z era who's anywhere near as short as he is. Maybe Dynamite kid,
you know, yeah, really it's just like probably a full five six inches
shorter than any of Hogan's contemporary exactly whole comania, let alone Hogan himself,
who's what six' eight, So you're talking about a foot taller. So I
mean, and also he just so bloated, is Hogan. And so when
you see him towering over the hero of Rocky Balboa in this major motion picture,
I can understand why people started to just flock to him, because he's
like, I'd want to see this guy in action. If if this guy's
kicking Rocky's ass, I want to see what he does in a real wrestling
match. He at least makes enough of the wrestling match, right, Yeah,
you better watch what you say there. Yeah you know you do not
want to see this guy in a real wrestling match. No, you don't.
All, Well, apparently he did learn some things, but I'll get
into that. Yeah, I think he's partial to the drop toe hole to
the front face lock with memory serves. Yeah yeah, that well, occasionally
an arm bar when he's in occasional step over armbar. Yeah, but just
if nothing else, even if you weren't intrigued to actually find this guy in
the actual wrestling ring, he's going to make enough of a visual impact on
you watching this movie that he's that guy, you know, oh totally,
totally nineteen eighty three and beyond he's that guy, and perhaps we get into
this also forget forget the actual movie itself. Yeah, I'm jumping way ahead
here, but I think it's a prnge to bring it out. Hogan was
the marketing tool for this movie, right, Mister wasn't wasn't just discovered?
Yeah, I know, he wasn't just discovered in this movie. He Stallone.
Every I I scoured hundreds of newspapers. Yes, okay, yeah,
I'm gonna tell you. If you look at any newspaper from around this country
from the time period maybe like a month or so before the opening of this
movie, there is a picture of Stallone standing not against mister T, but
against Hulk Hogan. Look at that, and how I run it? Come
WrestleMania one time? Right that it's mister T that's needs should be the supporting
cast to put WrestleMania over the top of pop culture in it like there's there.
Yeah, anyway, let's just get into it. Let's just fucking get
into it. We're talking about Hogan I mean, you'll probably talk about this,
but I want to plant the seed before I forget. More than anything
else. One of the key things about Rocky three visa v. Hulk Hogan
is that, according to Jesse Ventura and some others who have spoken on it,
and I'm sure Hogan has spoken on this, although I'm not sure if
he frames it this way, you're coming into Rocky three. You had to
make Hulk Hogan a babyface in the wrestling ring in the AWA, yep,
Because you can't really market a movie around a heel on the media start totally,
you know, or at least it's gonna be hard to say, Hey,
come see the big movie star wrestling, but you're gonna come here to
boo the shit out of him and hate him. That that didn't that duck
didn't hunt in nineteen eighty three, particularly the psychology of the Midwest, a
w a wrestling fan, and so we may very well have this movie to
think for the glimpse of a babyface Hogan in the AWA that caught Vince Junior's
attention and imagination and convinced him to hitch his wagon. Because it also,
as I'm sure you'll talk about Vin Senior, who hul Hogan worked for before
taking this movie, was no fan of him take at all taking this movie
role. So he you know, Vince Senior wasn't about to discover the magic
of a babyface Hull Cogan. It was Sylvester Stallone in a lot of ways
that that that sort of necessitated as well as laid bare totally the potential of
Hogan in that way without a doubt. So well, depending on your source,
Hogan filmed this this scene because that's all it really is, is a
scene anywhere from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty one, despite nineteen seventy nine
the movie not even being on the books. But that's okay. And he
weighed somewhere between brother depending on who you're talking to, two hundred and ninety
five and three hundred and fifty pounds. Well, that's at least a small
range. You know. When we talk about Hull Cogan and the all time
King of the Whoppers in terms of lies told, it really is how we
got into this movie that most of the lies are told, like this is
one of the well key sources of misinformation. I feel like I'm not going
to do any spoilers yet, but I'm going to tell you I'm actually from
what I've read, I'm going with Hogan's story. Actually I think the same
story actually, believe it or not, this one time, I think it
checks out. That is why I was so excited more than anything about doing
this when you told me Rocky three was next, because I know there are
so many things that if I ever took the time, I could settle in
my mind. But I never took the time. You know how it appears
you have. The thing is, I didn't really realize that there was a
huge I know that along the way I either read or heard an interview with
Stallone that basically the same story that Hogan tells for the most part, like
the the main key players. And then I didn't realize that there was some
controversy until today, believe or not. And so it's just kind of funny.
And so I was like, oh shit, like this is fucking huge,
but I could not find where I had that. Anyway, we'll just
go to the source right from the get go. I'm going to do a
combo here because he tells Hogan tells the story in both of his Actually I
don't know if there are more than two books, but he tells it in
Hollywood Hulk Hogan, and he also tells the story in Hulk Hogan My Life
Outside the Ring, But there are some differences, so I'm going to just
combine them together in this one. The greatest thing about working in New York
was being on TV. Every three weeks, we'd film down in Allentown and
the matches were broadcast on the MSG network MSG standing for Madison Square Garden.
He had to write that as if well, at least we're clear on that.
I mean. Also, the greatest thing about working in Allentown was,
if I'm not correct, a little little Little Candy. Yeah you missed Santa
Claus comes early in Allentown. You mentioned MSG, But what about d r
Z Right this channel hit homes all over the tri Said area and down in
Pennsylvania. Dude, I feel like I need to do it in his voice,
but I think that's just going to be too exhausting for this. And
you just never knew who was watching. One night, I think it was
early nineteen eighty, Rocky Mastermind still Vester Stallone tuned in. He was on
the lookout for a wrestler to cast in a role in Rocky three, and
he saw me on a night when I happened to pull off that crazy move
list it lifting three wrestlers at once and just hurling them to the canvas.
Stallone didn't know how to get a hold of me himself, so he turned
to his casting director, Ronda Young. She didn't know anything about wrestling or
who the heck this wrestler was that Stallone was talking about, so she called
her brother, Peter Peter. She said, Sly's gotta have this wrestler.
This guy he saw on MSG. He's a bad guy and he's done this
and that. My god, this is who talking. This was Rhonda Young,
casting director, casting director. Okay, I thought it was Edith Punker.
I was confused for sing and Peter knew right off the bed, Oh
that's hul Cogan. Peter Young came my agent shortly after that has been my
agent ever since. So maybe Peter Young actually is is the the glue that
that sticks the story together. Not that I'm saying an agent is gonna be
honest, but you know, maybe because Peter Young, the brother of Ronda
Young, he can kind of get that story straight so that Hogan is not
just fibbing the whole fucking time. Is very interesting. This is he's kind
of like the David Wolf and the Cindy Lapper crossover. He's the agent that
like kind of thinks he knows that wrestlers can be money, but he's also
a little too showbiz to like take it take it that seriously. So he's
always got this like sarcasm about it. Yep, exactly. Uh So I'm
coming out of the ring one night when I got a message from Arnold Scoland
that Sylvesters Alone wants me to call him. I thought it was a joke.
I'd seen Rocky one and two, and in the late seventies and early
eighties there was no one as big as Alone. He was this all American
hero figure. There was no way he was calling me. It must be
one of these guys pulling a rib, I thought, and it blew it
off. Around this time, same time, Vince mick Man Senior sent me
over to Japan to wrestle for seven weeks. Now. That was an amazing
experience, dude, all these Japanese fans worshiping like some sort of a god.
Really unbelievable to be over there, you know, I feel that kind
of idlization. Brother, even if I couldn't understand a word anybody was saying.
It was a shame because you know, Terry blew it off as a
rib and George Foreman ended up getting the part. See that's the thing.
It was a rib, and George Foreman came fucking running for us. Yeah,
because he had an expanded use case for there's George Foreman. Uh.
The Japanese par owners didn't want me to leave. They were begging me to
stay longer. Everyone's always begging Hogan to stay longer, except for stillone he
wants that seemed quickened out, get out of here. They did the same
thing Christmas night nineteen eighty three, I believe indeed they did Uh the the
Japanese promoted. They just fucking kidnapped him, fucking kept him there. You
hold on, son, you have wedding in Japan. Huh, brother,
dude. Wherever I went, the arenas were packed to the rafters. I
came back to Allentown after that to find a Western Union telegram waiting for me,
a certified letter that I had to sign for. Please call Sylvester Stallone.
It's an emergency. It was getting closer and closer when they were actually
shooting the film and Peter and Ronda were starting to panic that they weren't getting
going to be able to deliver the one guy sly wanted. So I called
him and he picked up the phone and it really was sliced alone. It
was so weird to hear that familiar voice on the other end of the line.
You know who I was. I wasn't sure how interested. I wasn't
being in a movie. I'd never done that kind of acting outside of the
ring at least, I mean, it is different. What the fuck that
I mean? He wrote that that's actually his writing. I don't know what
that is tremendous So I told him, look, look, dude, I'm
gonna I'm going back Japan for two weeks broiler, but I'll stop by to
see you when i'm back. So I'm going to take a pause here,
Yes you are. Because that is one version of how he got the call
from Sylvester Stallone. Where would the other version come from? Well, Terry
Funk number one tells a different story. Actually, I actually was the one
who connected Hall Kagan well Sylvaster Stallone for the part of Thunderlips and Rocky three.
Stallone called me up instause he worked with him on Paradise Alley, right
he did coming up soon on Under the Cinemat Stone called me and said he
needed a huge wrestler for the part of well, a huge wrestler. I
gave him a few names, and it came down to slide choosing between Hogan
and Gorilla Monsoon, whom Vince mcmahonr. Suggested. Gorilla was a tall mountain
of a man, but Stallone wanted a more muscular guy, and so he
went with Hogan. And actually there was a further thing in his book here
says I tried nineteen eighty five, yet Kerry von Erik, the part of
the Russian boxer that Dolph Lundgren eventually got, sly was in love with the
guy. But Kerrie couldn't memorize any lines, only snort them. I added
to that's great, But Hogan made the most out of his stardom. When
we had our match in late nineen eighty five and the fourth and NBC Saturday
Night's Made Event. We worked together fine, and I never had anything but
a good relationship with Hogan. When we were both in the WWE. I
got the Saturday Night's made event assignment because nobody else wanted to do the job
and Vince wanted Hogan going over clean me for the TV audience. A lot
of guys felt like getting beaten in front of such a big audience would hurt
their personas there were no volunteers except for the Funker. They asked me to
put him over on National TV and I said, no problem at all.
It's tremendous. So there's a Terry Funk's version of of the story, but
there's you know, that's not all mister Fumeke is not the only person to
claim responsibility for Hogan getting cast in this movie. Bill Apter, yes as
well, is that it was me all along, game all right, this
fucking guy didn't know it was broken. I think you're broken, Pale.
Do you think you got fucking Hogan this job? He claims Stallone was looking
for a wrestler after sends pictures of Hogan and Billy Grant. I'm gonna actually
let him tell you the story himself. Uh. This is from Sean Mooney's
podcast. I know he's done a couple of podcasts promoting his his stupidly titled
book, but you know, I think you know it was between him and
Jericho's podcast, but you know Sean Mooney friend of the show, so I'll
put him. I'll put him over. So here we go to listen to
after talking taking credit for Hulk Hogan Thunderlips Rocky three. You got a call
from Sylvester Stallone's office and had a hand in making that connection to Rocky three,
which changed Hulk Hogan's career forever. I did. I did, and
a Hulk's office had picked up the copy of the magazine and they had wanted
pictures of two people Superstu Billy Graham and Paul Cogan. So I really would
have been thrilled by the way had Stalone call, but you yeah, uh,
but I have to get the invitation in there. We're not. So
they called and I sent the pictures and called back so that they want to
talk to, uh, this guy Hult Cogan. So this point we were
this point, we're banned from the magazines from the magazines are banned from from
the w w F. So I'm calling people around that. Uh, I'm
called Arnold Scoland. I called no, actually the magazines. I'm trying to
think. No, he was not he hadn't won the title yet, so
no, no, we were okay at that point. But I was calling
everybody around trying to find him because Stallone wanted to talk to him. Everybody
thought it was Yeah, everybody thought it was a joke. And I finally
got to Arnold Stolen, who's one of Vince's main men, and they said,
yeah, sure, I'll give him the message. So then I called
Hulk's mother because she was let me back up a little. We were bands
back then. Because I couldn't talk to Hulk directly, his mother was my
liaison. Yeah, gave him the message, and a lot of people took
credit for the hookup there, but the message came from me, And when
I talked to Hulk years ago, he never really knew that it came from
me. He said, his mother said that I had called. But Arnold
Skollin about forty other people backstage all took credit for this whole thing. But
the pictures that we ran in the magazine were all sent to us by Hulk's
mother. Otherwise we never would have gotten the photos to run in the magazine.
So yeah, yeah, I hooked Uh. I hooked him up,
but he got somebody else call credit though. Yeah, yeah, but he
got the part on his own marriage. That's true, But I helped with
in the ignition. I don't think it did pell I firmly. You know,
what, what do you think? I mean, what are your thoughts
here? I don't doubt that if if Sly wants a wrestler, you go
buy a wrestling magazine and try to look at the people, that would be
good. I don't know, I mean, but the point is it started
with the magazine, not with Bill after, you know, like after was
the point of contact. Perhaps if they saw we want more of this guy
who publishes this thing. But even then, I I again, maybe I
have it here and I just I skimmed over it when I was trying to
find this. I'm I'm certain that I heard Stallone say that I was watching
TV, because that's how we found both t and still and and Hogan.
He was watching TV and and and heard of That's that's what Hogan said.
Yeah, that's Hogan says. I'm pretty sure Stallone said that. But uh
yeah, so I'm you know, as much as I take hogan ship with
a grain of salt, I'm I'm siding with Hogan on this one. Interesting.
Well, you know, I mean, you know, they all could
have had some kind of right effort in but to say like they actually,
I mean, I don't know. I mean, is it not possible that
you know, Sly saw Hulk Hogan on television and told his people I want
Hulk Hogan, And they said, how the hell do we find Hulk Hogan?
Look at this magazine. Maybe they know how to get in touch with
him. It's all, you know, it all could be, you know,
the pieces of the puzzle could all be there. You know, after
it would be none the wiser. How the first time Sly saw Hulk I
mean right, that would that wouldn't mean the phone call it sounded any different
to him. Yeah, anyway, back to the so uh, back to
Hogan. We met at a gym. I had blue jeans on and cowboy
boots in. My nose was all taped up. It got smashed in a
match in Japan, and I hadn't had a chance to fix it yet.
I wasn't prepared at all for some kind of audition. Stallone insisted, I,
well, see you move in the ring. So Stallone starts doing his
rocky thing and starts reaching out to try to punch me. Well, brother,
what do you want me to do? Dude? Not a good idea,
I asked, Well, so you can stop me? He said,
stop you. I laughed out loud. He was maybe one hundred and seventy
pounds and I was pushing three twenty at that point. He stayed pretty serious
about it. Well, I try to punch you. See if you can
get a hold of me, he said. So. By the way,
every time that I do this stallone voice, I am boxing, I'm doing
the Oh really, yeah, I just noticed that I've been doing that.
So in one move, I grabbed him and hooked him and pinned him to
the canvas. Of course you did. Here we go, you know,
over inm Japan, Dude, I actually learned some real wrestling moves, brother.
The Japanese guys taught me hooks and submissions, all this UFC top stuff
that you could use to survive if anyone really tried to come to you in
a fight. Brother, Terry, I believe Matsuda trained you in Florida.
He is Japanese, but that didn't mean it was in Japan. I think
he I think he thinks it's I think he thinks Florida is in Japan.
I think he thinks it's real. Yeah, that's the problem. Uh.
Sloane seemed real impressed by how easily I took him down. So got rught
up and said me as hard as you can. I don't think you want
that, brother, I said, well, you'll hit me like you how
you would hit somebody when you want to want to look good, but you
don't want to actually hurt him. I explained that one way to do that
would be for him to bend forward a bit and I would hit him with
my forearm between the shoulder blades. Great, he said, do that?
You hit me as hard as you can. I refuse. He's not a
big guy. I could have killed him, but he kept insisting, give
me seventy five rider. Seriously, right, why not? H what was
the moon? Krankeruski give him krankusk Hogan only puts pencil fin Uh totally non
athletic television host to sleep exactly. That's a good command, not stallone.
He needs to sell for stallone? Uh Uh? So I bend over,
So I bend over and girl bang I hit him and dude, I had
no idea he was going to crumble like he did. The second of my
forearm hit his back Stallane's face hit my cowboy boots. Amazingly, he popped
right up again and this time with blood tripling out of his nose. You
got the job, so uh Ogan went on the Well we can talk about
a job, the job dude, you say job, No, you got
the job. Brother, Listen, dude, I don't. I don't have
the job. Dude, I will not job. Brother. You got to
find somebody else for that part. Brother, you can you know, did
you can roll up somebody else from behind? Brother? You're not rolling up?
Wouk coovid dude? Fuck you used to loan? Yeah, uh so
uh. A short while back, Hogan went on the Open Anthony Show when
they're you know, when they had a show Open Anthony. But he did
recall his time auditioning for Sylvester just alone. Slide picked you up and threw
you over that? Or was there some table nothing that? Yeah? I
was, I was, man, his legs were wabbling. That was always
still so impressive to watch that scene, bro, if you don't realize he
was like a buck sixty pounds. I was, Yes, Yes, he
got up and his legs shaken. Got it though, I had everybody ask
me that question over there. Yeah, yeah, it was him. He
did everything. He did all of his own stunts. I mean when I
powersland him from corner, Yeah, landed on him, and when I bounced
off and the blood came out of his mouth, he goes, oh that
was great. I was like, yeah, well, just the stuff that
was on uh screen was amazing. I can only imagine how much more was
done that didn't make the movie that you give me. He must have had
the spat out of him. Yeah. I mean I ran into him in
a comic con a few months ago and he was just you know when we
did this time of con, like and hey, brother, what's up your
family? Thanks wearing the colors. And I walked in his booth. Everything
was real quiet. He signed and autographs and everybody in line was scared to
talk, and it was almost like a little creepy and gets nervous. Yo's
stallone, you want to do this again? He looked up at me.
It was oh, no, man, I don't want to go do that
because I remember hitting with knee and the shoulder and the corner almost broke his
collar. And then I because I throw my punches straight into the forehead when
I throw them, you know, and I know I caught him with one
roo but he was called. The good thing about it is all these years
later, that was filmed in seventy nine, all these years later, he's
the same pizon he wants to be. He hasn't changed a bit. Was
that eighty three Rocky too? Or Rocky three two? I think we filmed
it seventy nine or eighty Bro? You shot wait before he did it was
way back eighty one. Yeah, under the cinemat I kind of pretty good.
I used to be pretty good judge to pull them out. Yeah,
yeah, little perception. Yeah, I used to be pretty good. Nah.
I would get beat off every one time I might. Did he say
he would beat off every once in a while something like that? Yeah,
I beat off for once in a while. Dude, Why didn't you mention
Bill After's role in all this? Is he not paying the proper respect to
after Alley? I you know, I think there's some bad blood there,
even though After gave him that Wrestler of the Year in ninety four. You
know what the fuck man? No wonder uh Bill couldn't remember if we were
banned at the time. We don't know if this movie was filmed in seventy
nine or two thousand and eight. Well, so let alone where it was
filmed. Where Hogan wasn't that matter? Was he even Florida? Was he
up his ass? You know who the Florida was Hogan? Was he training
in Japan under Mat Suda and the don't Jo or over Matt Suda? Whichever
way he was, who was so tremendous stuff, you know, you know
I love about about wrestlers and wrestling. It's always real unless they needed to
be fake. Yes, right, you know everything serves right, Yeah,
you know, everything is all intense and you know, everything really not that
I'm saying it doesn't hurt. I'm not saying that, but like all this
shit is so fucking real until they need to remind everybody that it's fake for
whatever reason. And that's the funny thing, like like that's still you know,
I know Stallone does say he get he gets beat up, you know,
but for him to be like, oh, I don't know, Hogan,
I don't want you know, like I don't know if I buy that
maybe he did it as a as a as a trick or whatever, but
well I think we've already happened upon one of the key ones, which is
in his book. For no reason, this is so Hogan, for no
reason. He gave us a range of the potential weights that he was on
the set. In that interview, he went right to the top of the
ringe, right, someone else a three fifty. I think maybe maybe in
he was not three hundred and fifty pounds. I know he never was the
top of three. I'm pretty sure that might be on his Carson interview.
I don't know if I took the bite from the Carson interview that said where
he says that, but I think on the Carson Show he says he was
three fifty. Yeah, believable. But that's wrestling. You know. It's
like you tell the story so many times and you don't care about the truth,
so you just remember the parts. You just remember the versions of the
story that got pops or got raised eyebrows, and you hold onto those pieces,
and pretty soon what you have is a collection of these little embellishments along
the way that serve to tell a story that always gets a surprised reaction,
and it that's all the matter, so long as the version you end up
with is the one that gets the biggest pop from the mark you're telling it
to. That's what happened, ex and who the hell you know? After
doing that for years and years and decades. I don't even blame the guy
for not remembering what actually happened. But you see a guy himself tell different
versions of the same story. Like you said, his two books have differing
accounts to some degree, right, not so yeah, Like there there are
some parts that really I think there were a couple of moments where that were
contradictory. But you know, for the most part, it's just stuff that
wasn't in the first book, or it wasn't in the second book. You
know. It's like like I think he in the in the in this in
the first book he talks actually about some behind the scenes stuff. I think,
like this whole audition process was not in the second book. You know.
But I'm with Terry too. I mean, Terry Funk is somebody who
actually you know, is self serving, as I'm sure he could be at
times and recollecting things. You know, his book show. I know,
I know, no shit, he's a worker. He's working you, Yeah,
like you're not. I don't believe job Yeah, that's the problem.
So he actually is somewhat of a stickler for history. Terry Funk like like
cares from what I've gleaned and from I understand. I've never met the man,
but he cares about chronicling the history of the business. He cares about
actually hasn't. Here's the question, did he take as copious notes as Brett
Hart? No, if no one ever did, ever will no one ever
will another thing? That he's the best, there is, best, there
was Bester ever will be right. I don't think you know, Terry Funk's
book wasn't six thousand pages, and it should have been, you know,
considering the respective careers. Not to put down Brett's career, which was a
brilliant one. Terry Funk's book should be three times as long as Brett's,
considering where he's been, the generations he's competed, in the guys he's worked.
But really, what it comes down for me, Boss, is that
Terry Funk was on set with Sylvester Stallone in The Paradise Alley. I mean
in other movies too, for that matter, in other movies that's done.
He has done stunt work for other movies. He so we really think if
Terry, if Sylvester Stallone wants to find a way to get in touch with
the wrestler, that he's not going to reach out to the fucking wrestler he's
worked with for years, I mean, honestly to get another another fucking Rocky
movie technically because he does stunt work for he he was like the stunt coordinate
or something like that for Rocky five, the worst movie at them all.
Well funnel words, I think, yeah, but yeah, so like there's
you know, the Funker is the Funker is here to stay. I think
so I led that the most credence just because of that back that history.
I just can't believe that if Lester Stallone wanted to find a wrestler that he
wouldn't talk to I don't know the wrestler he's worked with before about it,
right, and chosen to work with again on multiple movies. That's correct,
That's that's kind of the key there. So I wouldn't doubt that there's some
kind of you know that there is some and you know what, I wouldn't
doubt that that that funk would say, hey, you know, give you
know, here's Hogan and here's Arnold Skoln's number, you know, have have
somebody give him a call or whatever. You know. Again, maybe this
is why Hulk purposely tries to misremember what year the movie was filmed, because
if it was filmed in seventy nine, sly hadn't met Funk yet. Oh
see, I always, you know, as much as I kind of look
at Hulk through the lens of what I just said, kind of keeping the
parts of the story that pop and the embellishments that pop, I also have
noticed a trend with him where sometimes he gets oddly specific and oddly insistent on
details. For someone who you know fogs over details, there are other details
he insists on including, like in his book, there's these sort of many
tangents, and you don't understand why he would include that detail, and then
sure enough when you find out about it, it's an indirect, passive,
aggressive way of trying to refute something that somebody else has said about what happened.
But he doesn't want to address that person head on or by name,
but he introduces this fact that will serve to you know, make the disarm
or throw into disarray somebody else's chronology. So maybe that's it interesting would past
him. All right, So back to Hogan here. I remember walking out
of the ring thinking this guy's fucking nuts. Then all of a sudden,
he put a camera in my face. You got the job, he repeated
again, all excited and pumped up. I told me how bad you're going
to kick Rocky Bobo's as I caught on what he was doing real quick.
Brother. He wanted to see like a talk maybe cut a promo or something,
So I turned on that voice I've been developing since my first TV appearance
back down in Memphis. Okay, Bellboa, you're going down, brother.
I don't remember exactly what I said. I should have to see that tape.
It's probably an vault somewhere now. I don't know if this is actually
it or not, but this was feat This This what I'm gonna play for
you right now was featured on a behind the scenes featurette that was done to
promote the film Oh Coking is here, Daddy, And because I'm here,
I'm gonna make Rocky three to the movie of the Year. Jill. That's
a saloon. Filled my suitcase with the big thousand dollars bills, he said,
showing the body show him what you've got to offer for the right price,
for the right money and at the right time, I'd even strangle my
mother. Mother. That's great stuff right there. Yeah, I love that.
I love the raw footage, the actual tape. I don't know if
that is the actual tape or not, but again, this was done.
I feel maybe if it wasn't done for this actual tape of something, it's
tape of something, and it might be Hogan on like some TV or whatever.
But it's great, it's awesome stuff. He still has kind of a
higher pitch about his voice. You can hear a lot more of the baby
bitch voice he's got going on. Yeah, you can hear a lot more
of the attempt to imitate Billy Graham there. Ah, yeah, yeah,
sure, than his own voice. I think that makes sense. Anyway.
After a few seconds, he turned the camera off and said me one more
time. You got it. We shook hands. I didn't have an agent
at that point and had no idea what you should what you should get paid
to appear in a film, But he said, oh, give you ten
thousand dollars to do a movie. Me, being the smart negotiator I am,
thought it sounded a little low digging creative browler. How about fifteen thousand
dollars? Dude, Oh fourteen, he counted done. I signed a piece
of paper right there on the spot. I couldn't believe that I was going
to be in a rocky movie. Not in my wildest dreams did I ever
imagine acting in films, let alone acting with someone as biggest sliced alone.
I knew it would be a huge boost for my career. Heck, I
boost my whole life. I'm prepared to call bullshit on the whole negotiation thing.
Yeah, I don't think he came back with a number. I don't
think that happened. I think he just thinks it makes him look bad to
take the price that was offered, And so he introduced a detail like who
gives a fuck? Right, like who gives the fuck? How much you
got paid? Why would you put that in the book unless somewhere along the
line you heard someone say that you took the first offer. So Lester stallone
gave you right, annoyed you that people thought Slash knew that that's like a
chump you could take the first offer. And look, maybe I'm going way
off the reservation and reading something that isn't there. But Hulk Hogan deserves that
level of doubt. Well, I mean, what about what about him being,
you know, without an agent, being a wrestler and that whole mentality
of having to kind of take care of yourself. Would he negotiate? I
don't think so, Okay, I mean, it's not it's not the fact
of the thing that makes me skeptical. It's his pattern of introducing details that
are self serving and sort of, you know, somewhat fabricated, if not
wholly fabricated. It just seems to me like if I'm reverse engineering Hulk Cogan's
mindset. Along the way, someone said to him, you know what,
man, Rocky three made fucking millions of dollars. You only got ten grand
for that, and so like, you know, he makes this little thing
up. Well he probably didn't probably get more than that, I mean in
the long run. Well, yeah, with residuals and stuff. Sure probably
still does get money, I would hope. So he's probably his health insurance
because of the movie. Now you're damn right, you're right. Well that
ends now the other ones, the other crap movies he's on. But get
that fucking union card, right, from the get go better than Lloyd's of
London. You're damn right, Hell, did you? Yeah, that's just
let me know when you need me. It was Lord Alfred Hayes of London.
That's Lord Alfred Hays of London. I've got promotional consideration sticking out of
my pants and I'll take that, thank you very much. Hell. He's
a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnassio and JP Sorrow. He's a
lapsed fan wrestling podcast. Uh. When I got back to New York,
I told Vince McMahon Senior that I would be shooting in this movie in a
couple of months. Did you say shooting Terry only has a good idea?
No, you're not, he said, yes. Fuck. For some reason,
I didn't take him seriously. Okay, for some reason he didn't take
you seriously. How about that, Terry. For for some reason, people
don't take this business. Yeah that was That was a strange non sequit or
there in the middle of the book. But whatever. But I never even
gave it a second thought. I knew this would be great not only for
my career, but for the whole sport of wrestling. To put one of
us up there on the big streen, a rocky movie which was sure to
be a huge hit seen by millions of people. It was a real no
brainer. Absolutely no one had ever done it before, if you don't count
you know, everyone who had Yeah, but you know, no, I'm
not saying on this level, I agree it is weird because there certainly have
been. I mean, you can even you know, the the actor,
the guy who plays odd Job and Goldfinger. You know, that's a major
fucking movie, you know, coming to under the cinemat soon. But like
you know, like where it's so different. And also, Hogan, you
know there is a there is a no Also here's the thing too, you
did have professional wrestlers in movies and outside of but outside of you know,
Paradise Sally and and the wrestler at this time, you didn't have many if
I'm not mistaken, that were actually that actually featured a big time wrestling match.
And also this is the only one that had been running scenes and ring
scenes. Yeah, I think of my Breakfast with Blassy with a with Ada
Kaufman, which wasn't I don't think like a smash hit or anything like that.
But right, and that's the big thing that it's gonna what makes money.
And and no matter how good or bad a film is paradise and my
paradise sally huge flop. The wrestler. We all know huge flop. So
we're talking this is this is absolutely there again, Stars aligning, put yourself
in stars aligning shoes. If he doesn't know necessarily how big Rocky one and
two were, which I think is possible, you know, to him,
it's just another resting idiot honestly at this point, to like I mean,
and I don't put a past the McMahon to be a fucking idiot on it,
but to not know that Rocky wanted like to have a guy in Rocky
Ye Rocky movie, Yep, I mean it's it's it's bound to be a
hit. Yeah, it's one of those fucking franchises at the time that hadn't
worn out its welcome yet. You'd have to be just deafened by the the
sound of quarters jingling in your hand to not be able to hear. That's
the problem. I think he had too many quarters jingling. Where was I?
Uh? Oh, I said I was. I was looking. It
was real, no brainer. Like I said before, I was looking,
always looking ahead, thinking about making more money, thinking about how I could
make this whole Cogan thing bigger and bigger. I thought Vincina thought that way
too, But maybe I was wrong. Maybe he was just like the other
promoters. Dude. He had controlled the number one territory, his own little
kingdom. Maybe he thought that was enough for him. Maybe just didn't have
the vision for how big this could get, dude. A couple of months
later, I was wrestling in Fall River, Massachusetts. As I left the
arena at the end of the night, I said goodbye to whoever it was
that McMahon running the show that night. I'll see you guys and going to
do this rocky movie tomorrow. Brother, should take it like ten days,
maybe two weeks. Scute brother, No, not shoot on you, dude,
No, brother working filming totally. Please don't get the wrong idea.
And Tony Santos and I'll call you when I'm done, brother, They were
shocked. No, no, we just we just called Vince. He said,
you're supposed to leave tonight and drive to Charlotte to be on TV by
noon tomorrow. Made no sense. He knew this film was coming up,
so I called mcmahnon at his home in Boca Raton. There was no way
I could make it to Charlotte by noon the next day. Anyway, it
was snowing in Massachusetts that night. What just sail from the beginning. So
the whole thing was nuts. Terry McMahon says, you're a wrestler, not
an actor. If you go through this Rocky movie, you fired. I'll
never work here again, okay, Vince. I hung up the phone,
say goodbye to everyone at the arena, and blew up the next day to
do Rocky three. I'd come too far to let anyone, even Vince McMahon
Sr. Hold me down right the ins and outs of the business. Now.
I also knew that Hulk Hogan was already bigger than anything McMahon could envision,
especially in Japan. So I flew out to Los Angeles and shot my
scenes with Stallone, playing this over the top character named Thunderlips. So this
is eighty one, you said, right, eighty one shot from May to
August of eighty one, and it's pretty much accepted that his WWF run ended
in eighty Okay, So so let's think about this. So he probably did
Japan and then came back. He did do a Japan tour, so he
so he would have been under a WA employee when he got on the set,
but he would have been with Vince Senior when he got the call to
do the right and the call. Yeah, and he probably yeah, he
probably came in in seventy nine. He came to WWF in seventy nine.
In fact, at Terry Funk's introduction, by the way, which is something
Funk says that he introduced Hulk to Vince Senior and then he does the run
with you know Blassie as his manager. Is the heel incredible Hulk Hogan,
and he wrestled Backland and he did the first feud with Andre where they had
the Shay Stadium match. That was August of nineteen eighty. So all right,
I guess it does line up then, Yeah, It's just it was
it was weird to me that he has to fight with Vince Senior over the
movie when it's accepted that he actually worked for Vern when this all happened.
So I guess that still works, though, I mean it might have been
it might not have been as this fucking as as this crazy ass turnaround that
he's talking about, but it could very well, be like, no,
I'm making this movie. Yeah. He's like, if you're gonna make this
movie, then because because guaranteed he would have to tell them give them an
answer, right, you know. True, they wouldn't be sitting around like
they need to book somebody to make sure that they're gonna have somebody in this
movie, right, And so I wouldn't put it past them to be like
pressuring Hogan, you gotta you know, you gotta commit a you're gonna do
it? Are you gonna not do it? And and still say I'm gonna
do this movie and then it's like, well, then you can't fucking if
you go out there and do, you're gonna be fired. And then it
all kind of happening at the same time. Even though it's earlier than Hogan
describing I'm seeing here, at least in terms of seventy nine, he worked
Madison Square Garden December seventeenth, seventy nine against DBAs that might be the match
we we looked at. Now that's on the pat Patterson, that's the one
on the Hogan DVD said I believe the first and Patterson and Denucci restle elsewhere
on the Oh yeah, as we talked about in the in the Pat Patterson
Tribute show. Remember how incredible it was to also realize that Hogan versus DBAs
such as they were, and seventy nine was on the show. So flip
to January. He's still working WWF tapings wow of eighty. So he's here
through January. This is all according to the Fantastic Wrestling Data dot Com.
Thank god for sites like these. All Right, February he's still there,
Fall River, he works. I just saw it. February sixteenth, nineteen
eighty. It's winter. It's winter. Yep, right, that adds up.
Good point. Yes, we're getting somewhere. Let's flip the calendar out
of March of nineteen eighty. He's WWF through and through for the entirety of
March. Bearly mind. Now, you've got a lot to get through,
get to boss. But I want to work some time here. This is
the kind of thing I've never taken the time to do. I want to
know, I want to know. The timeline is important. April still with
Vince, still with WWF. Let's see, okay, and then he goes
to Japan. It looks like in May of nineteen eighty he wrestles Backland at
the spectrum of this Pilly. This could also be you know, that could
be Hogan. This could be around the time where he got the call to
do Thunderlips because he just talked about it goes to Japan. Yes, he
told yeah, I know, he told him like, it's a fake fucking
it's a rib. Someone's pulling a rib on me and he throws it away.
Well, interestingly, he he did the fall River thing. He did
another fall River show on May third, nineteen eighty, wrestling Pat Patterson of
all people. Wow, so that might be the faithful Night. Let me
ask you this, do we know when that fucking TV show happened where he
threw three guys around the ring? The TV show happened where he threw three
guys. That's what That's what he says. That's what That's what people talk
about. Oh oh, that's where Stone saw him on text alone saw.
That's a good question. Well, he's he's wrestling, uh, Pete Doherty
and Silvano Susa who recently just passed away actually in Worcester on May one,
nineteen eighty. I don't take though, I don't think that necessarily would have
been something Stallone would have seen on TV. But it indicates that they were
doing that in the circuit. Let me take another look. Wow, could
it be to Boston Classic jobbers that were getting tossed around? Let's see.
Now he did the same to Steve King and Mike Masters and Poughkeepsie on April
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty. So he's got some he's got other handicap match
opponents. But no, you got to think it's the Garden right if yeah,
because he so MSG Network, right, didn't he say that that Stallone
was watching the MSG network stands for Madison Square. Now that's what he enjoyed
doing the tapings and stuff. And I see, I see, well it's
probably it's probably one of those two matches, because I'm not seeing handicap matches.
I'm back now in March of eighty. What about later? When was
he gone? He was gone in May, So I'm working backwards from there
looking for any instance of him wrestling more than one of them. No,
but what about after though, because he talks about going to Japan then coming
back from Japan to Vince to Vince. All right, let's take a look
and then may you know, Yeah, yeah, good good stuff, so
so may he takes off in March. He works that May. Rather,
he works at what they would call in Japan the Madison Square Garden series,
which is basically like big time New York wrestlers come to Japan and perform and
work in a Tokyo garden and then yes with the cherry blossoms and everything,
and then he comes back to the United States in June. And he's back
in Allentown on June seventeenth, nineteen eighty working yep. And then here's a
taping in Hamburg where he takes on Angelo Gomez and fred Marzino in a two
on one that could have been it. So he's still there working through June.
Let's flip the calendar to July. I want to see the exact breakpoint
to go to vern. Yes, I think that that kind of tells us
that he's told Vince to go fuck off at this exactly. So he's still
with him through August. No, pardon me. July of nineteen eighty,
still working WWF shows. He does a FILLI, he does a a Montreal
jaunt, but I'm sure that was just a one off deal. August still
there, he does a couple of mid South shots. Interestingly enough, WWF
WWF all the way through, there's a Cape cod date. Now we're in
August. Let's go to September. The leaves are changing, the industry is
changing. Working Andre all over the circuit, including Boston. There's the Maggins
Pat Patterson as well. Okay, so that's Manchester, New Hampshire, Andre
versus Hollow. Then he does another tour of Japan in October. See,
I'm gonna bet that this is the one he did, because if he did
the taping in all in Town, okay, with him beating the two guys,
yep, So Loan sees that he contacts him. Hogan goes Japan thinking
that it's a rib okay, all right, all right the second the second
Japan, I'm going to bank is is is the one. So around October
we're gonna say yes. Still los in Japan through December. He comes back
to WWF December thirteenth, nineteen eighty, working Rick mcgron Boston Garden. He
closes out nineteen eighty with Vince According to the match listing, we turned the
calendar now to nineteen eighty one. I'll get goosebumps. I literally do.
This is massive. Well, I mean, now you're invested. You know,
you've spent so much time. So all right. He works for them
through January nineteen eighty one, No problem, eighty one. That was the
year he went to wa So we're getting close. Okay. He's still with
WWF through February, working many opponents, Tony Gree among them. Let's see
fall. Oh wait, let me look closely. I switched to March,
where he does another Japan tour, but it's a much more short one in
March, and then he comes back to WWF. Boston, New Haven,
Landover York Fall River was on almost every tour. So you can put that
right, You can pencil that in to well, you know what, you
want to know something I want if it's in April, Well, here we
are in April. Only two matches listed in April against Tony Atlas on one
day in April nineteen eighty one, So he does what day April eighteenth,
nineteen eighty one. You want to know something? What? Don't don't electrify
me like this if you're not. I know a little piece of trivia about
that, because April eighteenth, that's two days after I was born. Yes,
and I was born. My mom always reminded me of this. I
was born on Holy Thursday of that year because it was it was, you
know, Easter cane r after my birthday. Yeah, and it snowed on
my birthday. Wow, it's snowed April sixteenth? Could it event? Could
that be the piece of intel we're missing? Because you know what he does
right after that? He goes to Japan, I guess he does. And
he works a tour from at least May. This is all so only two
matches in April, which seems like something is a miss. Something a miss
in terms of yep. And then he comes back and he goes to Florida
and he wrestles Championshipressling from Florida against Mighty Igor. He comes back in June.
Yeah, they would, They would be filming at this point. So
would you know where they filmed the movie La? Yeah? According to this,
he he does do a couple of weird LA stops along the way here.
Well, according to this, according to the next part about to read
from the Hollywood Hogan book, they filmed at the Olympic in downtown La.
Yeah, because he's working the Olympic. One off here, all right.
So he wrestles Jerry Lawler in CWF Championship Wrestling from Florida and Saint Petersburg July
eighteenth, nineteen eighty one. He only has three matches that summer, so
he must be busy filming a certain movie. And then what do you know,
his first shot with the AWA August first, eighty one. They go
watch and it's AWA from there, so that's got to be it. That's
un fucking believable. We triangulated, folks. It's what we do here,
even if it's live DJing, So get it done. So he's not too
far off though. That's kind of interesting. Well except when he says he
filmed it in nineteen seventy nine. Well, yes, that that part has
complained insists that he filmed it. Brother, No you didn't. Eighty one
May to August is one not hard to look up. But yeah, as
I said before, we now segue to Hollywood Hulk Cogan. Yes, my
first day at the Olympic Audcitorium in downtown LA I had to show up at
five or six in the morning for makeup. When I came out of the
trailers to loone introduce me to his stunt coordinator, a guy named Tom Renesto.
What As it turned out, Tom Rensto had been working in the Florida
Wrestling office when I first started out. He was one of the bookers there.
Yeah, one of the guys who would put together the storylines for the
wrestlers. Tom Renesto was the stunt coordinator on Rocky three. Well, hold
on, hold on. I didn't know him very well back in Florida,
but we just said hello, goodbye. That was it. I was just
some kid who was trying to get into the wrestling business, so there was
no reason to have any more dialogue than that. And there we were on
the set of Rocky three, Small World Brother Anyway, stallone and I got
into the ring. We weren't slated to film anything. The first morning.
We were just rehearsing and going through stuff. And the one thing he kept
telling me was he wanted everything to be as real as possible. Oh,
you know, I wanted through the stunts myself. I want to think that
hits myself. No. I was worried because in the movies you have to
do things over and over, you know, to get it just right.
I didn't know if Stallone could take that much punishment, but he kept saying
he would want it all to do all the things himself. He wanted to
show that what would really happen if a three hundred pound wrestler really got into
the ring with a boxer. I can tell you what would happen hed get
his ass kicked the wrestler fucking boxer would win. Well, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't nessarily count on that. No. I mean in that, you
know, if he could take a boxer off his feet, there's nothing going,
It's true, hold him there till it's over, and so long as
you can get through a couple of shots on entry, you're gonna win.
All right. That's why I'll lead. Didn't let a nochi do takedowns and
keep it there because that's true. All morning. Uh, Tom Arnesto worked
with us in the choreography had laid out. I went through all the motions,
but I guess I didn't look too happy about it, because at lunchtime,
Stalone asked me to eat with him in his trailer. So he said,
so, you know, what do you think, Tom Arnesto, I
said, I know him from my days in the Florida. Dude, you
know I first started. Now he knows a little bit about wrestling. Then
Stallone said, well, what do you think about the match being Rocky,
bub ball and thunderlips. I said it'll be good and was putting together some
good stuff and Stallone asked, now, how really you think it is?
Well? I said, the scott Ronesto is probably a great stunt coordinator.
I don't know, but I believe he's appeasing you. Brother, He's not
showing the audience what really totally happened if I was to get ahold of you,
because if I did, the thought would be over in about three seconds.
He said, whoa, We can't entit it in three seconds. We
have to get some time on screen, you know, eight or nine minutes
least, when need ten to fifteen big moves. Well, you know what
do you mean by big moves? I asked, do you mean like a
body slam over the top you'll five punches? He said, no, No,
in film one punch a big move. Body slam is a big move.
Souplex is a big move. I said, you gotta be kidding,
dude, You're only fifteen or twenty of those, brother, What this guy's
doing is all screwed up. It looks like two one hundred and fifty pound
guys doing the jazz as together. Brother, it's not even close to what
would really happen. So Stallone asked if I could set the match up,
and I said, yeah, of course I can. Brother. So after
lunch was over, I did not see where nested on set, and I
wrote down everything that needed to be done thirty or forty, thirty or forty
big moves. Can we take a pause quickly here? Yes we can.
In the context of the film, they ever acknowledged that wrestling is a work,
I don't remember they they kind of do they. I can remember.
If the scene with Hogan is supposed to be wrestling's phony and Rocky knows that
Hope shoots on him anyway because they that's come to an agreement to have a
real fight, that's kind of well, they don't come to an agreement.
Hogan just comes in wanting to kick his ass, right, and it's supposed
to be this little charity worked fight, yes, and you know when we
have a good show, you know, and just kind of stands over.
Okay. So it makes sense then that Hogan would say, like, you
know, Tom Ornesto, I guess, and I'm sure you'll continue here.
Yeah, is is scripting a back and forth worked wrestling match, but the
scene is supposed to be a wrestler going into business for himself, and he
wouldn't do scripted wrestling moves in right context. Okay, although he does do
scripted wrestling moves like and the Ultimate he drops a love for sake, the
circular logic of wrestling, we still end up with phony spots. Exactly uh
thirty four minutes. First Rocky would he hit me three times, then I
would grab him and hammer him. After that I would backon him into a
corner boom, big punch, big souplex, big power slam, and Sloan
did everything himself. But fortunately for him, we got a lot of stuff
in one take because I was able to tell him exactly where he was going
to start out and exactly where he was going to land. Then we got
to the power slam, and that wasn't going to be easy. No matter
what, when you powerslam somebody, you end up landing on top of him,
in my case, with three hundred and thirty pounds of bone and muscles.
So he's already up this weight three twenty three thirty and there's really no
way to break that fall. I told Sloan that's going to be a stuff
one brother. You know, it's goo'll be rough, so we should try
our best to get it on the first take. Dude, I remember,
we saved that move for last. When the time came, I picked him
up and ran him cornered a corner, then dove in the middle of the
ring. When Sloane hit the canvas in my chest landed on top of his
chest. Blood squirted out of his mouth, but he didn't bitch about it.
He just got up, looked at the cara man and said, Gaberade,
you got it, Karen b you got it. They both said yeah,
I got it. So Stallone said print, good enough, move on.
Then he went back to his trailer and spit up blood for a while.
Do you think Stallone ever got sick of Hulkgan saying that he get like
totally fucked up Sylvester Stallone when it was all pretend. Well, uh,
you know he Stallone. Sloan's a weird fucking guy, you know. Yeah,
he's a worker, he's he's a fascinating individual because he you know,
with the boxing stuff, he likes it to be real. He doesn't want
people to pull their punches. He wants from what I've gathered. And I
don't know this, you know, I don't know about the other movies,
but I know I've read somewhere in at least one of the movies, yet
not all the movies. Those his eyes are really swollen in those fights.
Wow, you know there, it's fucking real because he will take the shots
and he wants it to look as real as possible. He blades. I
don't like, huh, he blades, and I'm sure he blades in a
bunch of them, but I'm like, fuck, like he's he's he's intense
and he does. He did tweet. Now, I'll talk about a moment.
He did tweet something on the at the the anniversary of Rocky Like there
was he was tweeting or instagramming or something not too long ago. Where he
was he was he really he celebrated Hogan and his stiffness, all right,
but he did everything himself. To this day, I've never seen better on
anybody so important to a film who was willing to take those kinds of risks
he wanted it to be real, and we got it pretty damn close.
So I did Rocky three and made my fourteen thousand dollars, which was no
money at all. Really, only then did I have time to reflect on
what Vincent Mann had said to me and how I had lost my job.
When I came back to La, I ran around with So he goes away
for a while. There's another I think there's another tour Japan. And when
I came back to La, I ran around with Stallone for a while.
He and his wife had just gotten divorced. We was single again, and
everybody knew it. And because he had just finished Rocky three and was about
to do Rambo, he was hotter than a firecracker. Women would just come
out of nowhere and throw themselves at him. I would meet him for lunch
somewhere, and all of a sudden we would be surrounded by twenty gorgeous blondes
with fake tits and fake noses. If Stallone decided he'd liked one of them,
he'd leave with her. Then his best buddy here would have his choice
of number two. It was a beautiful thing. What did you do about
it? Terry's what did you do about that situation. Looking back, I
don't know how the hell I ever did it, but I but it was
sure, it sure was a lot of fun. Somewhere during that time,
I got an idea. I asked alone if I could do some have some
publicity stills from the movie I was sending next to Stallone, holding him over
my head, all kinds of straight crazy stuff. He wasn't supposed to release
the pictures yet, but he gave them to me, and I sent them
to a promoter in Minnesota named Verne Gagne the pictures from where from the movie
Wow, Primo stills Wow. A two time NCAA champion who ran the American
Resting Association. Verne Gagney called me as soon as he got the publicity shots.
He was a shrewd guy. He knew he was looking at a damn
gold mine. Well, you know how fourteen thousand, huh? How fourteen
thousand? That's it? All right? For a whole year, and I
got ninety percent of that. I find out hard to believe that that Vince
worked, that that Hogan headlined or co headlined shay Stadium, Andre the Giant,
and Vern hadn't heard of himuntil he got something rights in the mail.
How soon can you start? Yeah, I told him I could start right
away. So I went to Minnesota to wrestle for the AWA, but I
didn't really leave La behind. I kept coming back for one reason or another,
back to the other Hogan book. Well, I want you to come
wrestle here, Gagney told me. I got this guy named Jesse Ventura and
who I want to put you in the ring with. You got a real
small territory here, which means you'll only have to wrestle four days a week.
But I want to pay a lot of money and then take ninety percent
back. Like I said, at this point, I just wanted to go
wherever I was one of the most and from the numbers he was throwing at
me, Verne Gagny wanted me bad. So I said, okay, just
like that in early nineteen eighty two, I left Japan a girl and crazy
fame, and I went, Yeah, that's got to be a self serving.
There's got to be something. There's got to be some glitch in the
matrix for him. If he acknowledges the actual years, he's too specific,
like why mention what year it was? Especially if it's the wrong year,
and it's very easy to look that up. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah,
there was just one problem. I was supposed to be the bad guy that
always worked before. But after Rocky three hit theater is that spring? How
every time I would step in the in the arena, the place would explode.
The crowds cheered for me instead of booing. It started to become real
clear that my playing in the heel wouldn't cut it anymore. That basically ruined
all of Verne Gagney's play. It's making me the challenger to Jesse Ventura tour
was a face. That's that's different though, when Ventura says Ventura says that
because Verne knew that Hogan was going to be in Rocky three, that he
had to cast him as a face, even though he'd been nothing but a
heel in wrestling up to that point. Now, Hogan was kind of like
a celebrated baby face in Japan, and vern certainly had a beat on what
was going on in Japan. You know, Eachiban's Hogan. So Nope,
never never knew him until the publicity stills because that was eighty three, right
when if he came in and worked for Yeah, if he came in and
worked for vernon August of eighty three. He had already done the first he
was gone three. No, that's when he started for VERN. No,
I'm sorry I been August eighty one. I'm sorry that you won, I
said, eighty three, August eighty one, Okay, very much gone in
three right, right, But he'd already kind of been cast as a as
a hero. You know, he worked to Abbey in New Japan, right,
No, I mean that's what he was saying, like they fucking love
him in Japan already. Yeah, right, so ah, but uh uh
so the crowds cheering, uh base in a way that in the way do
that was the start of whole comedia right then. It was the audience that
made that happen, the crowds that decided Hulkoen was someone they wanted to cheer
for rather than Boo. So I embraced it. I wouldn't fold with one
punch. It would take three or four punches to make me fold. I
would really play it up, combining bad guy and good guy elements all in
one. Look at him, He's such a fucking cleaner, this guy.
I'd get hit in the head with a chair, which not surprisingly hurts like
hell or swiped by a pair of brass knuckles, and it just made me
mad. I'm not shake it off. There was a whole different or to
everything I did, and the audience just started eating from the palm of my
hand. It was in those arenas that I started playing Survivors Eye of the
Tiger as my theme music whenever I walked in. Wrestlers never used theme music
before that. You can't imagine how loud the crowds roared when they heard that
song from Rocky three. It was the again stars aligning stars, so fucking
aligning, because I mean, I have a Tiger is an awesome anthem.
You know it's it's it's easily actually, it's probably the most recognizable rocky song
there is, even more so than the traditional rocky theme because this was like
a mainstream hit. Yeah, and you know to have so so you're gonna
get a pop anyway because of that fucking music. Let alone Hogan being this
monster who's just in a fucking rocky movie. It's you know, I'm getting
it. I'm really getting you know. For a long time, I've never
really understood why Hulk Hogan, But I'm getting it. He is he is
an attraction like he is you know, we joke about it, but he
really is the circus, you know, he is this guy you want to
fucking see. He's the what are you saying? Please click that. This
is an interview from August nineteen eighty one with gene Oakerland on a WA television
listed on YouTube. Is one of hul Kogan's first AWA interviews. I remember,
oh, stop it. I don't want to do it yet, No,
stop, take your time seeing. At some point I think we probably
even mentioned it in the Super Sunday eighty three show. We did that.
There's like this unveiling of Hull Cogan on a w A television that shows like
and I can't find it right now, so maybe it's been pulled from YouTube.
It shows like, you know, the definition, you know, it's
like this really like over kind of like an overly dramatic introduction video with him
almost in silhouette. And they're talked about this too. How you do these
promos as I'm looking here facing backwards, you know, like not facing the
right, and I remember seeing those is kind of helish is almost like yeah,
right, so the whole maybe the whole thing that you know Hogan had
to be a face from day one? Is is Jesse misremembering the chronology a
little bit right? But here's a sample of what Hogan would have sounded like
in this a w a run right after filming Rocky three. How big I
aim to find out? How you let me tell you something? I'm gonna
let you know. It's just exactly what I want you to know. I'm
sick but a three hundred and twenty five pounds bigger farm in the world.
That's twenty four. It's the blue twisted steel and sex appeal daddy. As
far that such a bad my main squeeze. He's running around the world right
now signing major contract, getting top dollar because he am the best athlete in
the world and I am the highest paid professional wrestler in the world. What
do you think of that? I am impressed. That's about that. I
am fully aware of the fact that hero I'm made event on that record crowd
at Chase Stadium in New York City here is look at that. Wow,
Okay, what if you turned a pasty give a little gun swath Field August.
Let's try Chase Stadium, the biggest house in the history of professional wrestling.
Look at that, Look at that. It's very much a heel holdan
No, very much a hell um. Last thing was I was the main
attraction of every arena. Hulk Cogan was the star, no question. Everyone
in the wrestling business knew it too. I could feel the world opening to
me. So yeah, so Hogan Hogan taken the world by storm and you
know, making his first, you know, his debut movie role. Now,
shortly after the movie was released, the Salt Lake Tribune wrote a piece
on Hogan. They want something like this. He's not a man, He's
an event. The incredible Hulk Cogan, a star of screen, television and
pro wrestling, is just plain huge. He is. I don't know why
I wrote five eight pretty five eight, three hundred and twenty five pounds.
That's a different problem. That'd be a problem. He is six eight,
three hundred and twenty five pounds. But I've lost some weight recently, he
says. The weight lies not in the stomach, a huge stomach, much
like many of his adversaries, but in muscle. When he flexes his pectoria
muscles, you can see it in the thirty third row. Hulk Hogan.
Yes, he has had his name officially changed to Hulk, has been flexing
his muscles in the recently released Rocky three. In the movie, he plays
a professional wrestler who for charity, has signed to fight the world boxing champion
Rocky Balboa or Sylvester Saloon. Well, what Rocky had thought would be a
little fun turned into a nightmare, as Thunderlips, as mister Hogan is called
in the movie, goes wild. If I actually wondered the ring and threw
a man around like I did Stallone and try to hurt him, I could
kill him, mister Hogan says the Sloane. Well, he has a lot
of money, brother, and that will keep you. That'll keep you safe.
Every time. There have been offers from various movie makers to letter Hulk
Hogan back into the in front of the cameras you know, but they aren't
willing to pay me more than what I'm making wrestling, brother, he said,
the most demanded wrestler in the world. Hulk earned his nickname, which
became his real name, when he walked onto a television set where a live
interview with Lou for Rigno was going on. Mister, did this article come
out? This came out in like August of eighty one, and he's the
what in the world, the most demanded wrestler, So okay in eighty one,
and we're gonna say that Vince McMahon created right exactly. It is called
the most in demand wrestler of the world in nineteen eighty one, thank you.
Moving on, Hulk earned his nickname, which became his real name,
when he walked into a television set where a live interview with Lou for Rigno
was going on. Mister Hogan challenged for Ricknou, who stars as the Incredible
Hulk in the TV series, to an arm wrestling match. Mister Frickno politely
and intelligently turned mister Hogan down, and a legend was born. There are
many who question the legitimacy of pro wrestling, but they should be advised not
to do so in the presence of the Incredible Hulk Hogan. Later in the
article, he claims that he was a heel in New York, that here
we go. You ready for a hoganism. He was. He said that
he was because he was a heal in New York, that fans outside of
Madison Square Guard were so angry they hated him so much they overturned a cab
that he was in. Oh, good, good stuff, Like, come
on, how'd you get out? Dary? I mean, first of all,
can you even fit in a cab? Number one? All right?
Number two? How are they going to fucking lift a cab with you in
it? Like Jesus, like eight hundred more pounds in there? Right?
I mean the cab is is a ton hulk. Cogan ban that point was
what four fifty five eighty something like that, Yeah, something like that.
He also was like twelve feet tall, whole thing. Yeah. An article
so also another article from the uh the literally called the Park City Newspaper about
Hogan starts off wrestling has been considered about as honest as a politician who kisses
babies or a used car salesman in PoCA ut pants. That's being generous.
It is dramatically. It was written off by New York Times critic Brooks Atkinson,
who said, once you have seen one meat ball with blonde hair stepped
belligerently outside the ring and drinkers the jeering crowd, You've seen them all.
Jesus. I mean, at least used car salesman actually sell something that's real
and tangible. Yeah right, they at least like, you know, you're
gonna get a bad car, but it's still a car. You know,
this is even real. It's like buying vapor but buying air. You know,
like that's a fucking joke. The article, you know, they also
talk about the pouring of the offers in and they reference the uh the loof
Arigno moment, and they further the tail That's legend by saying Hogan wants no
confusion as to who the real Hulk is. Look at that bearing fucking Ferigno.
Yeah, who he would later pay, well, not directly, but
royalties forever more to use the name. Yeah right, well not him,
but Marvel Marvel Yeah well yeah, notice and own it. So he wouldn't
pay lou his own ship, right for somebody that so uh thoroughly owned the
original Hulk. It kind of I wonder who won at the end of the
day in the final mallon sheet. I'll say so. There were some other
things happening for Hulk Hogan at this time. Shortly after the release of this
movie of Rocky three, he met Linda. Whenever he would do a tour
of Japan, he would stop at La and hang out with Stallone and other
cronies like we're talking about, including this old high school of of friend of
Hogan's, Nelson Kidwell and Nelson Kidwell and if I'm not mistaken, about twenty
years or so, he'd wrestle a guy named kid Man. So it's kind
of all connected there. Nelson Kidwell. Is that where he had the steroids
scent? Is? I am no? Oh god? What was his name?
It was some guy who's actually some guy who had ties to Massachusetts.
Actually I don't remember his name now, but I would remember if it was
that one. Yeah, So okay, I was gonna say something. I
was gonna say something. Where was I? Where was Idwell? Kidman?
Crowns? Linda? Linda? Right, So we're actually Jesus, this is
going to be the perfect companion piece to the Christmas show we did Christmas in
the Territory. Oh, totally, totally. That's all about Hulk in a
way. This is like this is the the what the prequel to that?
Yes? Indeed. Anyway, So at some hangout that kid Well brought Hogan
to, there were a lot of hot women, but the one that stood
out the most was Linda Clarridge. And as we all know, she would
going to marry Hogan, produces children, he'd cheat on her, should divorce
him and then write a book about it to get her story out there.
And did they get married? I'm trying to remember. Did they get married
on Japanese television? Yes? They did, they did. Don't forget that.
If you don't mind, we're gonna have a little fun here under the
cinemat. I'm going to send you basically a script here, and we're going
to read an excerpt from her interview on the Pierce Morgan Show. This is
Linda McMahon, Linda, yeah right, Linda Clairidge, Linda fuck off,
I'm looking for Linda brother and you will play Linda okay, who goes by
Hogan in this transcript? Oh right, because that's her real last name,
right not? You imagine this poor woman like she marries a guy named Bleya
for the rest of her life her last name is actually according to the accord
of the fucking Salt Lake article, it was fucking uh has he changed his
name to Hulk Hogan? Legally, that's what he said. I don't know
that they said they changed an Did you get it? All? Right?
Yeah? Go ahead? Push. Yeah, you know, how would you
sum up marriage to the Hulk? You know, well, we were married
for twenty four years, and you know, it was great. I mean,
honestly, I'd never dreamed that we would end up having the lifestyle that
we did. When I met him, he was in the Rocky three movie,
and I thought he was an actor playing a wrestler, because in California
back then, wrestling wasn't even on TV. And didn't know that what it
was. I was like, you wrestle, Like, what is that?
So she's from California? Is that what she's saying? Oh? I thought
she was from U or at least she was living in California at this time,
because he does say he met her in La Interesting. So, but
you know, soon after we started going out, Yeah, I guess she
does have a California accent. We got married and I went on the road
with him, and I learned. I realized when all was involved, and
it was quite a job, Terry shut up, especially working with the WWF.
That was a huge empire that you know, became even bigger, and
it was rock and roll. It was like being married to a rock star.
Yes, and of course, as the book details, his behavior became
pretty similar to that of most rock stars. I mean, let's be brutally
frank. You know, you had to go through the infidelity, the line
control issues, and all the rest of it, very similar to the kind
of stuff you read about you read about the average rock star. I mean,
it's a very honest book you've written. Do you feel that the relationship
basically floundered the moment you heard he'd been unfaithful to you? Yes, I
mean, honestly, I put my heart and soul into the marriage. We
started out with, you know nothing. Really I met him, I didn't
know what he did. He wasn't really wasn't famous. He had been in
he'd been in the Rocky three movie, and I thought that, wow,
that's exciting, you know. But I saw a good person in him in
the beginning. And how you are you're in a play? Oh that's great,
back to Hogan's mother. But I saw a good person in him in
the beginning, and I still do today. I just think that with the
men in those positions, it's like you're seeing in the news now with the
politicians and all these celebrities, that just happens to them so easily. It's
just it's there, it's in their face for the first time that he had
an infidelity and admitted that. To me. It was earth shattering to me,
Linda, it's been a it's a fride talking to you so far.
The book does then take more surprising turns. First of all, another rough
hit I think is just when your daughter Brooke calls you at four am.
She's crying and she tells you that one of a friends, Chris jan is
now going out with Terry, your recently departed husband. How did that make
you feel? Well, that was a blow. That was definitely a surprise.
You know, although the last year that we had been in Miami,
we had brought we brought the VH one show to Miami just for kind of
a fresh change. They'll do that, And the whole year that we were
down there, we were there really primarily to do the show, and Brooke
had a music deal down there, so one of the girls that worked at
the music place was her kind of right hand girl, you know, would
travel with her sometimes when I couldn't go, and her name was Christianne.
She would come over and spend the night, even though she was like thirty
three or something at that time or thirty two, a little older than Brook.
But they've got along great. It was a good friend for Brooke.
So she'd come over and spend the night, and I'd got up and bring
them hot chocolate and hears some cereal, and you know, tell stories with
them. And then I'd say, all right, good night. I'd give
her a kiss good night. On the lips, I'd give Brook a kiss
good night. It got pretty hot, you know. I did have a
weird sense. And then I went and found a twenty one year old looks
like Hulk. So everything works out, you know. I did have a
weird sense that maybe something might be going on. And I asked Brooke and
she said, Mom, no, don't be crazy, Christianne. Are you
kidding? We're a good friend. No way. I'm like, okay,
took it out of my head. I'm like, what am I crazy?
You know? It must be crazy. Brooke called me and said, Mom,
you're never going to believe this. You were right, You were right?
And I said what what? She goes? Are you sitting down?
I was like, oh god, what's wrong with you? And she just
said Dad was having an affair with Christianne. You were right? And I
said, how do you know that? She said, I found out through
one of my friends, and it's true. She gave me a letter.
She talks all about how she's sorry and that this love affair they had couldn't
be denied, blah blah blah, And I was like, are you kidding
me? And that was a final kick in the teast for you. Well,
it was just, you know, i'd been through it once already,
and you know once that I knew once that I knew about. There were
times that I had already thought maybe it was going on, but I wasn't
a stranger to that. But the worst thing was dealing with poor Brook because
it was her friend to think that her dad could be pounding pus sorry Pierce,
Yes for one thing, yes, uh, doing that behind her back,
where she's confiding in his friend and the friend is telling her dad everything.
And then you know, me and Brooke would go on the road with
this girl and the girl would go back and tell everything to Terry. It
was just almost like double roll up, double trial. Yes, you know,
living with the enemy, you know, yes, yes, yes,
you don't know what to believe anymore? Now. I thought I should have
saw that coming He's Alapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and jo It's the Lapsed
Fan Wrestling Podcast. And so Brooke was very upset, and you know,
but the point is, Oh, I'm sorry, boss, I just lost
my place. I don't know that happened. We'll get back there. So
one of the girls that weren't he fucked her in the pussy. You don't
know what to believe anymore. And so Brooke was very upset, and you
know, but the point is is that she had a contract with vh one
as well as did her dad, and they had to try to make amends
and they make things work. So in her way, maybe it was just
easier for her just to get Look, you know, mom can't deal with
you right now. I've got to deal with my dad and do my show.
So we really didn't have a lot of communication that first year, and
I just I let her go. I let her find her space because I
felt that she has to get through this her way, and as far as
mine, it was almost kind of like I knew it. I mean it
was kind of like, Okay, I knew that I wasn't crazy. You
know this, this might be wrong of me, but the bit in the
book that I read is a bit like one of those rocky films where you're
just willing to You're just willing you to get off the ropes and do a
bout of touching. And I can't think of any any better way, really,
And I know this might be wrong of me to think this, that
you begin that you begin dating a nineteen year old lad called Charlie. Let's
get to the point of the interview. Linda, you're fucking a nineteen year
old, are you not? Bet this is what he looks like. Yes,
I but a part of you was thinking exactly that, chuckmate, right,
Yes, I mean, you know, girls do all different kinds of
things when they're man wrongs them, you know. I mean they'll throw eggs
at their house or teepee your house or whatever. You know. Sometimes I
polish a nineteen year old. Sometimes they'll poper rating. I mean, he's
like a young Hulk, isn't he. Yeah, well he is. Actually
we started out being friends until we fucked, of course, I was.
It was the weekend before they took the jail, my sagging pussy. The
week before Nick went to jail, I was showing him my son kissed twat
and I was just walking on the beach with Nick and saw this guy.
I said, God, that guy is hot. You know, it's been
nine months since I've filed for divorce. I've been pretty alone, and maybe
he'd just be kind of fun to have over and have for some tea or
diet coke or that's what it says. Did you find being called a cougar
in the tabloids? Did you quite like it? Charlie was really smooth too.
He told me he was twenty three. Okay, so I was then
when I found out. Then, when I found out he was nineteen,
I said, okay, as long as you're nineteen not seventeen, we're good.
You're legal. How does Terry deal with Charlie? He doesn't really like
the idea. Of course, of course, will he be back soon?
And to this day, Terry still don't speak to me. We can only
talk to each other. I'm a lovely day. We can only talk to
each other through our lawyers. And I don't know why. I'm sure that
one of the reasons is that he doesn't want to have to be where we
get chummy. And I'm like, so, tell me, why did you
really go with Christian how was that? How long were you doing that?
I'm not going to do that to him. I don't even care at this
point. I'm over it. I have moved on and I have a great
I'm like so over it, trying my best to do Nikki and Bree's mother
here, and I have a great life now. Maybe if she says I'm
looking, if she says the word feel, to get that accent, I
have to pronounce it as if it's spelled p h, I L file Phil
Phil I full. I just feel I just fell in California, really full
full. I'm always falling full, and I have a great life now.
I knew I wasn't happy before. And I think that's one of the messages
that I bring out to the book is that Richard poorr, you know there
are so many women out there that just that have this same scenario as I
do, that have kids that have been married a long time, that have
to stop and realize the carpet has been pulled out from under their life and
they're fifty years old and now they have to start over. But does the
coupet match the drapes? I think, good on you. You know you're
entitled after all, you went through, you're in touched a bit of happiness.
And if it comes in the form of Charlie Hill, how old is
he now? Not that that's the whole point of the interview, but how
old he's going to be? Twenty three? It's a twenty nine year age
gap. You know, people call and label me a cougar or melf or
whatever, and geez, I mean, you know, we'll say what you
have to say. I don't know. That's just part of it. But
I don't see myself as that. Are the kids okay with it? My
kids love him. He's just a good person. It has ended happily.
I really enjoyed meeting you. Thanks tears. We reached out to Hulk Hogan
for comment on Linda's claims about the car accident and what she says were multiple
infidelities done in their marriage. He declined to comment in a in his in
his books book He very much comment comments my life out he says, and
I quote because this is related to Rocky three Well, they said Rocky a
bunch of times. I love that, you know, you get sucking,
that, you know you get down. You're talking about it counts, he
said. Rocky let's go bring him in. Guys, let's set it up.
He said, Rocky, We're good. They referenced Rocky three times.
We're good. This is totally fits love it and uh with a suspicion to
scratch that. Her belief that I was cheating was like a whole way down
in the hold of the ship. Brother, No matter what I said or
did or said try to patch that hole, the water cap would keep breaking
through. As far as I'm concerned until our marriage was completely over. I
never cheated on Linda. He would later go on to clarify that Terry Blay,
I never cheated on exactly. He couldn't comment on the actions of hul
Cove. Yeah, I did not have sex with that woman. I just
blew her throwed out your brother looks you know, Terry Bullay didn't have sex
with that woman. Hulk Cogan had sex with that woman. Brother, I
just you know, I was just there for the ride. Terry Bullaya Bruce
to esophagus difference, Terry Blaa didn't even have a heart on during that during
that brother, So you know Hulk Cogan had a heart on. Brother.
Fuck Yeah, So Hulk Hogan and Uh, Rocky three now, of course,
there is another w w EE Hall of Famer who was in this movie
who goes. As we mentioned before, Comine evented the first WrestleMania with Hulk
Cogan against Roddy Piper and Old Clubber Lang. Huh old club that's right,
and also went on to WrestleMania too to have a boxing match with Rowdy Roddy
Piper. Mister T all right, he was Uh, he was born in
Chicago. A little history on mister T before we get into it. Born
in Chicago with the name Lawrence Terreau. Changed his name several times before landing
on mister T. You know why No, Uh, the reason being,
and it's pretty intense. Actually, he would watch his father, uncle,
other black people and friends and relatives of whatever being called boy and getting no
respect. So he literally changed his name to mister T so people would be
forced to call him mister right out of the gate. And fucking badass.
I thought it was because he loved his mother. He does love his mother,
and he does talk about his mother a lot. But what I understand
definitely a crazy ass Christian. Uh, it's funny they call it. He's
called a born again Christian, but it seems like he was always Christian,
So I don't know when he was born again? Oh really, yeah,
because he fucking was. He've been talking about Christianity forever. I always talk
about him. Maybe he's born again edge, maybe that's that could be,
And maybe he's a born again brood, born again gangrel. In high school,
he played football, studied martial arts, and was a city wide wait
for it, wrestling champion. He was a wrestling champion in high school,
flunked out of college, served in the military for a little while, failed
to try out for the Green Bay Packers. Ultimately became the front door front
door security man at a club called Dingbats. He doesn't like being called a
bouncer. He is like head of front door security or whatever in the Rush
Street section of Chicago, And apparently before he was the official outdoor front door
security guard, he went to the club to socialize first. When he wasn't
working as a security guard at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago, mister T spent
his time at a nightclub called Dingbats. Former Dingbats managers Calvin high Collins and
John Betoy remember the natalie attired mister T. He looked like a big buffoon,
the wall, the derby hat, the bell bottoms. He came down
the first time, didn't have money to get into Scilly, and he stood
around for a while bothering the ladies that were coming in the door. We
let him go and use the bathroom. About an hour later, we realized
this guy didn't come back out of the club after we let him use the
bathroom, and we noticed he was on the dance floor. The Toy and
Hollins knew what they had to do. They had to throw mister T out.
Later that evening, a scuffle broke out near the club's entrance. Mister
T was still hanging around outside the club. He came to the assistance of
Hollins and Btoy, so we threw the guy out and at that point we
let him come in and from that day on he started coming out of here
every day every day. Hollins and Betoy quickly took a liking to the fast
talking, charismatic twenty six year old. They hired mister T as a bouncer,
no pay, but all the food he could eat. That's all you
need, all you need is a fucking couple of steaks, And told you
it's all about food, all about food, and in fact, the owner
of the club, so these guys, those two guys were the managers,
and the owner of the club was confused because he kept seeing these tabs of
multiple steaks that were being consumed by the unknown mister D. He had no
fucking idea like what was going on, Like why are these where? Why
are we losing steaks? Yes? Uh, look, I mean it's very
simple. It's about food. That's exactly about food is fucking funny when it
comes to a bunch of cloth, food is fucking funny. That's funny.
Food is funny in general, but especially with a bunch of like uncontrollable ogres
like these clothes. It's like like I called him a buffoon, like that
called mister T a buffoon tremendous so uh you know. And it was actually
during this time at at this club, at Dingbats, Ding Bats, fucking
Christ uh, he started really manufacturing the mister T gimmick. Uh. Basically
what he would do, like like the gold, he would gather the gold
and jewels of people who left them behind in the club. Really, yep,
that's how we kind of you know, that's how he uh uh uh
uh kind of started wearing these chains and these rings and whatever. But you
know, this is a this is a wrestling story. So of course someone
else has a different tale, and that would be Bishop Don Magic wand former
pimp. You know, most of this year that mister T had came from
me. You know the ring that mister T wore and I gave it to
him as a gift, and he had a mixed style and another thing.
I sold that one to him. You know, Mitter T, you owe
me a few more dollars if you see this interview. Of course you do.
Of course he does. So there's just as many authors of mister T's
gold, people who got hul Covid connected with exactly so his reputae actually he
he he had a notable repute. I don't know how much you know about
mister T. But I didn't know too much about his preow Hollywood stuff,
but he probably he gained a huge reputation at in this club and at this
area in Chicago by not being afraid of anything. And I guess at one
point he even got a gun pointed at his face and he was like not
scared of it, and it was like, you know, you're gonna go
down to the guy who was doing him. So eventually his the Mister T
legend grew so big that he would uh you know. He became the bodyguard
for a number of top celebrities, athletics, athletics athletes, and other people.
His daily rate averaged three thousand to ten thousand dollars a night. Wow,
that makes Payday look right. And this is just for doing literally doing
you know nothing, watching people and whatever. So the story behind mister T
getting cast in the movie is that he was in an NBC special called World's
Toughest Bouncer. So, if I'm not mistaken, what happened was he was
the bodyguard for Muhammad Ali during a fight and he got noticed because of that
because no, it was shit, I don't remember who it was. It
was another fighter who doesn't who's not a good talker, and he got noticed
because the cameras turned on the fighter, and because he didn't talk, mister
Tis talked for him. He basically was his manager in a way, you
know, his wrestling manager. And he got a lot of notice for that
and also for being Muhammad Ali's bodyguard. And so NBC cast him in a
special called the World's Toughest Bouncers, which would then morphed into a short lived
reality series in nineteen eighty one called The Games People Play and starring h as
a toddler. And this is from the Den of Geek website. Having earned
a legendary reputation working as the doorman at Dingbat's Disco in Chicago, where he
had over two hundred fights quote unquote, he was approached by NBC to take
part in a TV show called America's Toughest Bouncer. Much like The Great British
Bakeoff, this was a competition that pitted people from all over the country against
each other in a series of challenges related to their chosen field. Unlike Bakeoff,
however, one of these challenges involved throwing a one hundred and fifteen pound
stunt man as far as they could. And then there's a caption although it's
fun to picture this happening to Mary Barry, so, I guess the host
of Bakeoff. I don't know. I've never learned. Yeah, guy,
that's a little forced. I don't know much about that. I don't know.
I know it happens every year and it's a it's very popular, But
I've never watched it. The toughest event in the show was called the Blast,
where each bouncer would jump from behind a bar, run around a group
of tables filled with people, jump over a rail, and then run through
a four inch wooden door, after which he must ring a bell to stop
the clock. Now, how do you think mister T trained for this protein
shake and cardio work out before hitting the weights? How about a Rocky style
montage of meat punching, tire dragging, and running up some steps. Neither
comes close. What mister T actually decided to do was return to the ghetto,
find a bunch of old, condemned buildings, and physically reduce him to
rubble by smashing through the doors and walls. As he explains, I heard
the neighbor telling the police that some crazy man comes in here every afternoon to
find a different building than once inside, starts running through the doors and the
walls. I trained like that for two weeks, one on the south side
and one week on the west side, tearing down buildings. Needless to say,
the regime worked, and mister T resoundingly won America's Toughest Bouncer twice,
making such an impression on one viewer sliced alone that he was offered the word
ubber laying in Rocky exactly. He saw him toss this. I believe T
want through a guy that that that that that stunt man if I think he
threw the guy supposedly seventeen feet. Wow, that's incredible. You see,
I always heard that stallone's casting director picked up a copy of Inside Bodyguarding magazine.
I thought it was Body Body Bodyguarding Illustrated. Now pro pro Body Guarding
Illustrated. That's correct. PBI got the editor, the editor on the phone,
and the rest is history. I always heard it was some other bodyguard
who Slide worked with actually on a previous project. I know there's one bodyguard.
They're all cardies. I mean, you heard that in the pimps and
the you know, the people talking about taking credit for mister T's uh ice
such as it was. Uh you know, mister T was very very well
prepared for professional wrestling as much, which is as terrified as he ended up
being that he was exposed. But that's it. I mean, you know,
wrestlers built up a tough guy image and built spend the rest of their
lives terrified that someone's going to expose them, and mister t was pretty much
the same thing. Yeah, exactly. He totally was like all personality,
you know, like for for for wrestling. I mean, I don't doubt
his toughness in these in these real situations, but in wrestling all bite,
no bark, and that can win you over in wrestling without doubt. So
one mean that was interesting. Uh. There was supposedly a significant amount during
one of these I don't remember which competition it was, which toughest bouncer competition
it was, but one of the ones that he won maybe both for all
I know, Uh, there was a lot of racial tension and people were
booing him because of his skin color, and uh yeah, it was like
it was pretty suppose it's pretty intense because people were like, here's this guy
doing all these crazy things and people are fucking booing him because he's black,
Like it's fucked up, Harlem heat right seriously. Uh, And like I
said, he got the eye of casting director Ronda Young, who was working
on Rocky three at the time. The casting team and I have a piece
with stallone. He talks about a little bit more. He actually wanted.
They were trying to go with a real boxer, and they were considering Joe
Frasier Ernie Shavers for the role of lying, but they both failed miserably.
Tea when he came in fully prepared, ready to go, he was brilliant
on the screen test. He was exactly what you wanted, and he had
memorized everything. He knew how to be angry. He knew how to put
the the fear into somebody, and then he knew how he actually had I
would say, like an instinct to act. The night that he got the
party, got the call at dig Bats, he hit, picked up the
phone hits, which was our intercom system, and said, drinks are on
the house? Which on whose house? Was on my house? That's the
owner of Dingbats. That's tremendous. Was that Ronda Young great gread to hear
her voice? Yeah, well that's cool to know. Yeah. Uh.
Te trained crazy hard for the role. Personality though, like his his his
inflection, everything all him. And as I said, Stallone was a as
we talked about, Slone was a nut for realistic fighting. Another fact that
Hogan did not exaggerate about. Uh. He wanted Tea to throw heavy punches
right at his head. Slide did and he would actually try to block them,
like and apparently, you know, Sly says, he gets some pretty
nasty shots on on him on the chin and stuff like that, so not
too surprised, uh. Mister T has also gone on to say that that
Clipper Lank is his favorite role that he's ever played because he was he really
related. They had a similar background, similar story and stuff, so he
really liked that, he always says, and he talks about how the role
to him wasn't a bad guy, it was he was misunderstood. He was
a guy just hungry, you know, he was trying to get something done.
After the movie's release, an article came out in one of T's hometown
newspapers, the Chicago Sun Times, and it goes like this, mister T
wants all his friends out there to know he hasn't gone Hollywood on them.
He's still the same sweet, lovable guy he was when he was a bodyguard
for Leon Spinks and a bouncer at Disco Tech's. I don't like that phony
Hollywood stuff, says mister T. I don't like phony people making a big
thing out of me. If I wasn't in the movie, they wouldn't even
look at me, they'd say, who is this wild Rachel slur with the
haircut. It's right there in print. Oh, it's right there in print,
right there. Oh it's as you know. And he said it's non
Tea said it too. T said it about himself. No, no,
I understand that. But it's not like asterisk. Oh no, no,
no, no, it is. It is there full word in Chicago.
If he wants to avoid phony people, he certainly took an interesting career path
after this. Yeah, I'm right, seriously, it is not that mister
T isn't enjoying his celebrity status, which is that it's which is at its
heights thing to his role in Sylvester Stallone's latest ring late. Thanks to his
role as Sylvester Stallone's latest ring antagonist in Rocky three, he might even be
available for further movie appearances should the right parts come along. But let nobody
think he has changed lifestyles or careers. I'm a bodyguard, not an actor.
As mister T says in Bodyguarding, I feel myself worth. I get
satisfaction out of saving someone's life. I feel like a doctor. I've never
been to an acting school, and I'm not going, says mister T.
So Lester said, you don't rehearse, mister T, you turn him loose.
I think I'm talented enough to play any part. I can play a
Hamlet. Just dress me in a wig, That's what he says. Uh.
Mister T bumped into Stallons into the salone at ringside of Ali's fight with
Larry Holmes and told him the casting director for Rocky three had been trying to
reach him. Mister T beat some twelve hundred contenders for the part. Joe
Fraser, k and Norton, Ernie Shaver's Jim Brown, Fred Williamson were among
those considered by memorizing memorized as we said before, seven pages of the script
and doing an impressive improvisation. Asked to explain why he wanted the part,
mister T build up a towering rage, saying, among other things, that
he wanted to buy a home for his mother so badly that it burned like
hot coals in his stomach. There it is cut, Stallone said. When
he had finished perfect, I told him I've been playing that character all my
life, said mister T. So quite a quite a tale for mister T
as well, coming up here, I mean just as important to Julkamania as
Hulk Hogan in terms of the absolutely year, absolutely, no question. And
it is so amazing that that the two of them would combine, you know,
and and and T was only at the very beginning of his of his
brush with fan because you know, eighteen was was not you know, it
was on its way and that would really claim him and cereal boxes and all
that kind of shit. I used to look at and I had the mister
T Cereal Did you ever get that? Well, you might have been too
young for it. Yeah, I was like, right, you know,
because he would have been still big in like, you know, if he's
eighty five, I'm four. And I mean, mister T sugar cereal,
no question about it. Absolutely, you know. I wonder if anyone's ever
asked Vince, like, when do you remember seeing Rocky three and like,
did the hull Cogan mister T alliance occur to you even then? Or no,
I discovered mister T. Yeah right, Exactly. People don't understand is
that mister T wasn't really you know, yes, he did the thing and
in Rocky three, and and I guess hul Cogan was in that movie.
I never saw it, but it was really me bringing them together that made
both of them who they were, got it? I you know, might
as well call me mister m I am mister T and I am Hulk Hogan.
Yes, that's a fact. I'm glad to clear that up. That's
what I thought. Yeah, right for now. So we've got Hogan,
We've got mister T. And did you know that there is a third wrestling
personality in this movie? No, yes there is. Have you ever heard
of a wrestling announcer turned TV host named Dennis James? No? Well,
this is actually speaking of James. This is very much thanks to James and
his incredible help with my research, because I would have never found this fucking
one but Dennis James. He plays one of the announcers in the Thunderlips scene,
opposite Jim Healy. Was an announcer for wrestling from Columbia Park on the
Dumont Network in the hunteen fifties. Yes he was well. Hold on a
second, say this again, Dennis James, yep, wrestling from Columbia Park.
Wrestling from Columbia Park. Where's Columbia Park? I don't know, Chicago,
I don't know, because I'm Comiskey Park. Well that they only didn't
want. The only reason I get really interested is because one of the huge
yeah wrestling from Columbia Park. Yeah, Marry Gold, Yeah, the Merry
Gold. That's that's the that's the venue for the initial wrestling television shows on
the Dumont Network in the Gorgeous Georgia era. The reason I asked is I
wonder if this is the guy? Say his name again. It's Dennis James.
Ye, folks that uh listen to our first star cast show where we
do the Buddy Rogers Pat O'Connor Kimisky Park match in sixty one before a live
crowd. Would recall that I was very frustrated by not being able to find
out who the who the TV announcer was during the match. Listening back because
I will listen to many time, but so uh yeah more or you wow.
This is from the Sports on Television book by Alvin H. Merrill Merrill,
I don't know all around announcer and later familiar game show hosts, Dennis
James was the wrestling commentator for Dumont virtually from the beginning, and, in
his unique affable style, more or less proved that wrestling was more than show
was more showbiz than sport. James regularly added his own showbiz touched the proceedings
as the man at ringside showing up. It has been reported equipped with dog
biscuits, walnut shells, and pieces of wood that he would crack into the
mic whenever a wrestler would apply a bone crushing hold. Oh my god,
that's what he does. What they're saying. In the early days, Dumont
and to a lesser extent, ABC televised the bulk of sports events. Among
the extremely popular wrestling shows were those that originated locally from Chicago. On Sunday
nights on Dumont, Jack Brickhouse called the act from uh Marrigold Garden for nearly
sixty years. For ABC, it was Wayne Griffin announcing from Rainbow Arena and
Dennis James did the matches from arenas around the New York area. James,
then, I guess, but I don't know why. Who is that first
name? Jack Brickhouse from America Garden. Yeah, that sounds right, but
I guess, so he did it from New York. But wrestling from Columbia
Park, you said, with Chicago, Yeah, it seems like Columbia Park
was another term for Marygold Arena, which was in Chicago, for sure.
But no, oh and oh, I guess he did. He did Sunyside
Gardens, Jerome, Jamaica, and Columbia Park arenas. So ah, maybe
park. Is there a Columbia Park in New York. Let's see Empire State
Friends screaming at their podcast app of fuck Columbia Park, New York. I'm
sure there is. Whether it's the it's Columbus No, no, yeah,
nothing comes out, so yeah. Anyway, Dennis James became defined by his
enthusiastic okay mother phrase when describing a particular fall or a hold, a phrase
made so popular by him that he actually used it as the title of one
of his numerous daytime game shows. Okay mother. Bizarre, Yeah, very
bizarre. But here's some clips of him calling a match. This first one,
hold on, what do we get here? This first one is Gene
Stanley versus Coola Kwariani. Yep, Cola Quarriotti. That's the promoter that Bruno
went with over Vin Senior, causing their first riff. All right, listeners
of the Bruno tribute show that we did, we'll recall Cola Queriatti, also
a star of the big screen. There we go Japanese arm liking the by
Stanley am a monkey clip by Jane. I love the way Jane just pramps
around uttering, yes you know I sometimes he doesn't really aggravate the restorer,
but aggravating the rest of or not. He pleases the ladies. What do
you know about it? And then Stanley a big star, Oh yeah America,
and then also oh really, no kidding Jeane Stanley Medies and Gentleman.
And then this next clip from uh Benito Gardini versus you know someone we're from
pretty familiar with and Antonino Rocca. Sure Guardin He said, I used my
head and Raka uses his bare feet and here we go. You see that
Racca constantly moves Guardian. He said, hey, what's going on here?
Watch if you'll see things executed that you've never seen before in your life.
Was he can move this boy? There's his stay cold. He's so he
was making chop meat out of Guardini. However, that's awesome, like that
style a great stuff. But he's very funny. I love his voice very
It's like so fifty. It's like it's such a great, totally sounding I've
never heard I've never heard wrestling called by somebody with a voice like that,
you know, yeah, right right, And he sounds like he's having fun.
And that's how you can't get much more than that totally. And then
this from his obit in the New York Times. Sennis James, the perpetual
television personality whose career as a ubiquitous game show host, announcer, actor,
and commercial spokesman extended from the primeval days of television to the present, died
on Tuesday at his home in Palm Springs, California. He was seventy nine
and had worked almost continuously since nineteen thirty eight. His son Brad said the
cause was lung cancer or disease, diagnosed on January thirtieth January. In January,
thirty years after mister James, along the voice of Old Gold Cigarettes,
had stopped smoking. A native of Jersey City, mister James, whose original
name was Demi James, Demi Demi James Sposa, graduated from Saint Peter's College
and passed up medical school to become an actor. After graduating from the Theater
School of the Performing Arts at Carnegie Hall, he sold dog supplies at Abercrombie
and Fitch dog supplies at Abercrombie and Fish, apparently before getting a job at
a small radio station in New Jersey through a brother who worked for mister Dumont,
he shifted from radio to television, joining the new medium early and proving
so flexible an adept that, although early records are skimpy, he eventually claimed
two dozen television firsts. By the time mister James returned from three years of
army service in World War Two and obtained a do it all contract from the
Dumont Network, television was beginning to attract a wider audience. If the choreographed
mayhem a professional wrestling seems an unlikely magnet, it was mister James's witty,
tongue in cheek common terry that provided much of its early appeal. Knowing nothing
about professional wrestling, he addressed his commentary to a mythical television mother, made
up names for holds he didn't recognized, and used a rubber dog bone from
his Abercrombie days to create the crunching sounds of bone breaking while he's stripped down
a balloon to create the effect of blood curdling screams you know what I'm prepared
to say at this point in this episode of Under the cinemat yep, I'm
only gonna reserve this, I think going forward, for one figure we touch
on per episode, Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis James. I'll say, you
know what I mean, what a fucking character? Fuck me? I knew
nothing. And what does he do in the movie? He does the commentary,
he's one of the one of the announcers for for the wrestling match.
Well, I'm looking forward to that. Ye for mister James, a man
who husbanded his money and invested it wisely. This amounted to combining charity with
pleasure. His Palm Springs home looks out over the Mission Hills country Club course,
and until his final illness, he managed to play every day. So
Dennis James, Ladies and gentlemen, And finally we bring you Sylvester Stallone.
Yes, writer, director, hall of famer, hall not yet and star
of the Rocky move well not. He didn't direct all of them, but
he directed four out of the six Rocky movies. The first four, No,
he directed, the middle he didn't direct the first one. He directed
the uh middle three of the first five, John g have Avoldson, I
can never say his fucking name directed one and five, and then Rocky Stallone
directed six, but he's written all. He was born Michael Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone.
His mother Jackie, had trouble giving birth to him, and the doctors
apparently had to use two sets of four steps to help get him out.
Wow yep. And this procedure has actually caused nerve damage to his face and
gave him his signature. He's he's uh, what do you call it?
When he can't move? Yeah, he's got yeah. That's why he's got
that weird snarl in his slurred speech because I never knew that. Yeah.
Part of his lower face, like whatever side that's on, is paralyzed because
of this, because of his birth. After moving around to different parts of
the country, he attended the University of Miami, where he studied acting and
he booked a small part, I believe, and when he was done,
he packed up to move to New York. He was from he said he's
from I say he was from New York, but he's from New York originally.
But he moved back to New York and during this time got evicted from
his apartment and at one point slept in Port Authority for three weeks because he
was homeless. It was around this time he spotted a casting notice for a
softcore porn movie, which paid him two hundred dollars. So this is Have
you heard the story the slashed alone porn movie. Oh yeah, yeah,
it was always kind of a there was there's a legend. Did he did
this early in his career? Oh yeah, this is way before this is.
Yeah, it's like I said, he's sleeping, he's homeless, and
he did this movie. So when I was a kid, I remember hearing
about this, this porn movie and saying that's why he got the name the
Italian Stallion, and that's why they used that in Rocky. Was kind of
like, he's writing about that, but it's the other way around. So
the porn movie, the softcore porn movie was made before Rocky, but came
out after his after Rocky, and so they renamed the movie Italian Stallion to
cash it on the Rocky success. So everyone's a fucking carny. Everyone's a
fucking carny. Yeah, take advantage absolutely. And from then he appeared in
a number of small in some major films and TV shows he was. He
had a part in the TV show mash Like small parts in Clute Kojaku,
in the Woody Allen's Bananas and another thing, so he actually had After these,
he had his first starring vehicle, but much like the Starfcore Porn,
it wouldn't be released until years later, and they re edited the movie apparently
in the style of, uh, do you know the movie? You know,
Woody Allen's first movie, What's Up Tiger Lily? His firsttorial effort.
Okay, so this is What's Up? Tiger Lily? Is Woody Allen's first
film, not the movie Stallone was in, but same style, so they
What's Up Tiger Lily? Is? Woody Allen took a film, a pre
already a pre existing Jazzjapanese James Bond type spy thriller, and he he redubbed
the dialogue and reorganized the scenes, and I think added new footage of him
in it, and I said, completely redob the and and then instead of
being this spy thriller, it was about a spy who was searching trying to
get the world's best egg salad recipe from somebody. So it was this comedy.
He trigged this, this Japanese spy thriller into a comedy. And that's
what they did as well for this movie that Stallone made the starting vehicle.
But because it came out after Rocky and even after Rambo, like they just
you know, this movie just didn't exist. They they renamed this picture and
then again they re edited, they redubbed the dialogue and called it a man
named Rainbow. So like, just wacky shit going on these fucking people.
So back to the seventies. March of seventy five, Stallone goes sees a
boxing match with Chuck Wepner and Muhammad Ali where Webner nearly goes the distance with
Ali and gets knocked out I think in late in the fifteenth round. And
apparently Stallone went home that night and wrote the script for Rocky. In the
next three and a half days, he tried to sell the studios, but
nobody was interested, but the producing team of Erwin Winkler and Robert Charthoff.
They ultimately they had a weird deal where if movie, if the movie was
going to be low enough budget. This is not common. Usually you have
to go to a studio head to get a green light for a movie to
move forward. But Erwin Winkler big producer, big, big, big producer,
and he, uh, hold on, I actually want to check if
I'm not mistaken, mister Winkler, Henry Winkler's dad, probably And yeah,
so raging Bowl the right stuff. Good fellas like this is he's a fucking
you know, he's a fucking beast of a of a producer. And so
yeah, so they so they they had a deal with MGM where their production
company, uh Winkler and chart off if if a if a project was had
a small enough budget, they could green light it on their own without going
to the studio higher ups. And so that's what they did. They they
did it, and they bought They bought Rocky. But there was a little
caveat caveat to the sale. Stallone must play the role. He wouldn't give
it unless he played the role. United Artists. They wanted to use the
script for Robert Redford James conn our good friend here on under the Cinemat,
but Stallone said and his team they wouldn't allow it. So this is when
they did lower budget and while a slight Stallone plays Rocky. Of course,
the movie was a huge success. Yeah, and nominated for a bunch of
Oscars, including Best Actor, Best Picture, Best Screenplay, winning Best Director
and Best Picture. In seventy seven is when they would have won. So
let's not forget this in the grand scheme of life. So that's just alone
Oscar nominee. Okay, that is there, no matter what, absolutely correct.
The success of the movie for a Slide led to numerous other opportunities,
including Paradise Alley, Rocky two, and First Blood, which would kick off
the Rambo franchise. When he was promoting the Abortion that is Rocky two,
Stallone did an interview with Roger Ebert where he actually he he gave this is
kind of interesting. He gave some ideas of where he thought Rocky three would
go. So even at when he's promoting Rocky two, he's thinking of Rocky
three. When we were filming Rocky two, it took a terrible beating a
lot of Carl Weathers, you know, really power me. You know it
was it was. It was the most grueling thing I ever been through.
And broken bones works fights four times long as as eight times many punches the
first one and a lot of those shots are faked, And it was as
hard to You know, it's hard to I can't do it for that long.
It's it's hard to learn not to hit someone someone as to hit them.
Right now, my health is pretty bad, and Ebert says, seriously
bad, and Salon it's really bad. I have to go in for extensive
testing. They talk to me about enlarged in testings, rearranged insides. I've
lost a lot of weight. Don't worry, I'll get all fixed up.
Ebert goes, but you plan to make a final sequel called Rocky three.
Will you go through all that pounting again? Yeah? Sure, he says
that. What was that? Yeah sure, it's an Italian thing, it
must be. Yeah, sure, Why because I have to wick the movie
without a fight. The fighter is to look right with the movie, doesn't
then right? And I want to make Rocky three in the pretty near future.
Your body has a tendency to go to hell. And I was twenty
nine when I was Rocky. Now I'm thirty two. Time doesn't wait.
I'd like to make Rocky three in the next eighteen months. See, I
have this thing. It may sound crazy. When I was fifteen, I
read the Studs Long Again trilogy by James T. Farrell. But this irin
kid in Chicago, I guess he died when he was about thirty two.
He was all screwed up. But I've always wanted just one time for the
American cinema to round out a character. Each movie should deal with about a
year of the character's life. So when Rocky three, Oh, Ebert asks,
so, when Rocky three, do Rocky and to Pollo have another rematch?
No, no, I've got I've got more at my sleeve than that.
I'll tell you what's gonna happen. And Paula retires. Mickey, Rocky's
manager, has a stroke, so all that kind of accurate. Rocky wants
to retire, but there's this street tough challenger, and Rocky decides him one
more fight, even though he's half blind, and this will be his last
fight one way or the other. He goes with Paulo Creed and asks him
to be looks like amazing, like all this fucking shit actually happens in the
movie Wow, And this is this is when he's promoting Rocky two, booking
yep exactly. And he goes with Paula Creed and asks him to be his
trainer and Apollo teaches him to fight the way he does. It's alone smiled.
It's interesting their relationship because a Paulo Creed is a Rhodes scholar compared to
Rocky Balboa. I didn't know he was in a team with Cody Rhodes and
what's Sandau? Oh they were Rhodes scholars. Rhodes scholars, Box, I
can't, I can't allow you to make me remember that, like there is
a reason I forgot that. That's the land and they were Rhodes scholars.
Apollo teaches him things like how to handle his money. Rocky teaches the Pollo
stuff about being street smart. Can you imagine, for example, Rocky Balboa
in Europe? But that's where I'm going to take him for his final fight.
His last bout will be in the Roman Colisseum, carried worldwide by satellite.
Well that doesn't happen, unfortunately, Sloon said in his voice, picked
up enthusiasm. Can you see it, Rocky and the Colosseum, the left
gladiated and running up the Spanish steps, and Rocky's deeply religious. Can you
imagine him inside Saint Peter's I'm seriously going to try to work in an audience
with the pope into the film. I don't know. Maybe with this pope
it'll go for it. You know. If you don't, maybe we'll get
another pope and then that'll be it for the word. I heard Elijah Burks
available depending on how long you want to go, and then that'll be it
for the Rocky pictures. Yeah, I want to throw my attention to movies
about love relationships. I'm exploring the female psyche. There ought to be some
interesting discoveries that love st if you do it right. People want to hear
romantic dialogue, like Rocky says, if you wouldn't be here, I couldn't
be here. You know, it looks dangerous to Corny and the printed page,
But if it works in the movie, people love it. People's stories.
I'm not at all interested in you know, these these nine Men against
the World movies, but they'll never be a Rocky four. You can you
can call you got to call a halt. Hear that this business. No
Rocky five, no Rocky, no Creed one, no Creed two. Come
on, Rocky, Sly, Sly, you're not that sly pal, you're
telling on your yourself. Sly, You're not that sly, sly. You
don't have control over your life and you think you do it at last.
Correct correct, correct, Amundo. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack
and Carno MJP soo. He's a laps fan wrestling podcast. Later he did
a promoting Rocky three. He did a TV interview where he discussed the evolution
of the Rocky character that he would have to go through a similar transition.
I have changed somewhat in the past six years, and the character of Rocky
is also a very moody character, and I felt that he would have to
go through a similar transition in the way that he is not only he perceived
himself with the way people perceived him. That he changes the way he addresses
He becomes a spokesman for products, he becomes you might say, America's favorite
son, and he loses grasps with reality. He the fighting that becomes secondary
and being a personality comes first. And that really really is self destructive because
in the end, when he does have to prove his worth, he comes
against he might say, immovable odds, and he's in trouble. And the
film is the regaining the redemption of himself. It's The key line in the
movie is I the Tiger. He has to go back and find the eye
of the tiger, get hungry again, get back, because once you go
through I mentioned before pugilistic decadents, when the pain doesn't hurt anymore, and
I mean the pain, you start to feel the pain and the challenge isn't
there anymore. You don't feel like really destroying one's opponent, and you don't
feel like fighting anymore, and you begin to say, well, I wonder
how my restaurant is going on my fast food chain. It's over. It's
time to get out. That's good stuff, that's great much listic. Yeah,
I'll take that to the bank. So I had the Tiger. So
Hogan got that idea from this movie. What for his entrance theme, Well,
it's in the movie. Yeah right, yeah, oh yeah, no,
no, they That's what I'm saying. Like they they they fucking yeah.
They played that whole thing like it was. The movie was huge.
So they took the song gave to Hogan. Yep, oh totally. Now,
So you'll you'll notice in this movie he is ripped compared to the previous
rocking stole that he wasn't in shade. I mean, Stallone's always been in
great shape, but so besides his exercise regimen to get into the shape that
he wanted to be. You ready for this? This is his diet.
He apparently he claims this too. This is him. He posted this a
couple of years ago that he only ate small portions of oatmeal, cookies with
brown ricewent, five cups of coffee a day with honey, and a couple
scoops of tuna fish. That's what every fucking day. Cool, right,
And this got them down to what was people doctors told me it was unhealthy
two point nine percent body fat. Oh my god, Like, what the
fuck? Man? I think? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I get
ads on Facebook for the same thing. They call it a diet and they
ship it to your house and all that. I mean, honestly, they
put the die and diet seriously all right, so taste great with none of
the sacrifices of the last fat diet. I'll take. I'll take the blow
away diet. Yeah. Can I Can I get the one that gives me
more body fat? Please? Can I get the one that you know,
just fucking put powder on my stomach and I blow it away with a stilet
all the shit that I want, But nobody said. You know, we
get called out by the way for not for not talking about the coke,
the co caine reference there. The cocaine. Yeah, well it is very
very there's a lot of cocaine to it, and and how cocaine makes you
lose weight. I would like to maybe use that as my next Halloween costume.
The Bloway diet. Just carry around like some flour or what are you
supposed to be on the blow away diet? Give me a second, No
ship, what the hell to take a clothes off? Why the hell you
dressed like a fucking loaf of bread? All right, go ahead, New
Yeast Rising. That's it. That's the show, New w w c W,
New Yeast Rising. I'll tell you there were there were plenty of yeast
infections in w c W at that point in time, and most of them
were in the mail offer. Uh so the first when when Stallone sold the
first Rocky script, they sold for around twenty five thousand dollars and he got
paid thirty five thousand dollars a star in it. Then for part two,
and keep in mind that there was a yeah, there was a million dollar
budget eventually, you know, so thirty five thousand of the budget went towards
stallone. And they also had bigger stars in it as well. Tal you
know, Talia Schier was fresh off of two Godfather movies. Fucking what's his
name, Paulie Bert Young, fucking Bert Young, and he's great, he's
fucking awesome in Chinatown, and you know, Action Jackson there himself, right,
Carl weathers uh. For part two, he got he got a flat
salary of seventy five thousand to write, star and direct, which is definitely
a fucking bargain when you consider, yeah, he got sixty to just sell
the script and like, you know, only making fifteen grand more its it
seems like a fucking and you're doing three jobs instead of two. Uh.
Then for this picture, his upfront, his upfront, Now this is the
thing too, These are all upfronts, these are not total. So his
upfront for two was seventy five grand. His upfront for three was one hundred
and twenty grand. Now, like I said, it doesn't seem like a
lot of money, but he had apparently he had major back end points starting
with the first points. So he had he says he had ten net points
for Rocky one and made He says he made like two point five million from
the first film, nice after the fact, so now here is but there
was a cash to all this, and he just disclosed this a couple of
years ago. In an interview with Variety, Stallone shared that when he sold
the original Rocky script, he was not given any ownership of the property.
So despite all the money the franchise has made that he created, he has
been denied ownership. He actually, you know, he's in the interview,
he says he blames himself because he was so young when he sold the original
script. And so basically what that means is outside of the union, you
know, required residuals that he receives from his services to the movie that he
did, he doesn't get a dime on the other merchandising, no merchandising,
you know. So you know, again, so I guess Vince took more
than the idea of Hogan and mister t from this movie seriously set up the
national expansion. So and it's kind of it's and you know it's great too.
So obviously he's made tons of money and and you know, there is
a like there's an argument there. You know, you're you're still making I
mean, you're you're you're doing okay off of the Rocky movies. You know,
like you did all right. But you know, but at the same
time, it is his, like he fucking created it. There wouldn't be
this franchise without him. And people in the business think he's a bitch because
he still gets tons of money. But it's like there are people making way
more money off of his product. And again, keep in mind, it's
not even that he just created it, but he wrote all the movies,
he directed half the they directed more than half the movies. It's a lot
of and he started in all of them, you know, like and and
and you know already you know, it sounds like a Verne Gagna came along
convinced him that right. Seriously, he was only worth ten percent. Seriously.
You know, it's like the disagreement Hogan has with vern over the merchandise
exactly totally is yeah, and he blames you know, he also had people
like yeah, he just had people who were like this not done. It's
not done. But he's like, I should have done it. You know,
he was young, stupid, and you know, as far as stallone.
Life definitely imitated art in the case of him, because after Rocky five
bombed, he went on a crazy losing streak that cost him his entire career
for fifteen years. His whole team of agents and managers, they couldn't find
him any kind of work or like real work. After a while, he
did try, you know, he made a bunch of crappy comedies in the
early nineties. Stop or My Mom Will Shoot one of them, Oscar,
not the award, but the crappy movie where he's a mob boss and his
daughter's getting married. Uh bombed Daylight. Do you remember Daylight? That's why
I remember Stopping my Mom Will Shoot. But yeah, I don't think I
remember Daylight. Yeah, Daylight was this one actually kind of I want to
see it at the time when it came out, which was you know,
it was during the the mid mid to late nineties disaster movie craze that went
on with all like the Volcano movies and whatnot. This one was a flood
a New York City tunnel gets flooded, and then Copland, which is so
fucking awful. God, Hey, I hate Copland. It's like I remember
it was. It was heavily promoted. It was like, oh, you
know, it's stallow and he's gonna, he's gonna, you know, it's
like he's acting again, and he's like he had gained a bunch of weight
to play this this this fucking cop and it's this stupid movie. And you
know, after a while, you know, he after all this shit failed
and he just went through this miserable rut. He came up with the idea
for Rocky six, which would eventually become Rocky Balboa, but no one wanted
touch the franchise anymore, and the even Stallone admits that it was it was
a risk. The guy who was head of MGM at the time, he
told Stallone that making a six installment would make them the laughing stock of the
entertainment business. But in the end, in a nice little bit of symbolism,
the sons of the producers of Winkler, Winkler and chart Off produced Rocky
Balboa, and as we all know, it was a huge success and rejuvenated
Stallone's career, and he's from then made a bunch of hits, the Expendables
franchise and two more Rambo installments, the Rocky spinoffs, Creed and Cream two.
So some you know, he's he's he's made his way back. He
owes the beginning of his career to Rocky, and he owes the rebirth of
his career to Rocky. That's right, Yeah, that's right. And so
again a lot of symbolism there too, you know, like a lot of
a lot of I'm sure catharsis going on. In twenty twelve, Men's Journal
reposted something that Stallone did to recognize Rocky three the anniversary of Rocky three.
They wrote, even though he filmed it over thirty years ago, so us
Slone still feels pain from Rocky three. Well, at least he remembers it
well. The legendary actor and star of the Expendables series took to Instagram to
account his experience working with Hulk Hogan, who played wrestling champion Thunderlips in the
film. The famous wrestler was absolutely shredded at the time with a six seven,
two and ninety five pound physique, ninety five now and twenty four inch
biceps, so it was not too surprise, not for a surprise that Hogan
wreaked some major havoc on the set, especially for the stunt men. So
here's stallone on Hogan, another flashback and another reason why it's not such a
great idea to always do your own stunts. I met Terry Blaya aka Thunderlips
aka Hulk Hogan in the very early eighties when I was directing Rocky three.
At six feet seven and two hundred ninety five pounds with twenty four inch biceps,
he was an amazing athlete, incredibly powerful. I remember a violent move
where he threw me into the corner, charged across the ring like an enraged
bull, and leaped so amazingly high above me that his shin bone actually came
down like a giant tree on my collar bone. I tumbled to the floor.
I was afraid to look at my shoulder for about ten minutes. I
said, don't roll me over, don't move me, because I was sure
there was bone protruding through my upper chest. Of course there wasn't, but
I have never felt such a mind numbing pain from a massive hit before or
since. That day. Hulk just didn't know his own strength, believe it
or not. When he jumped into the audience to fight with the stunt men.
Three of them had to be treated at the hospital great guy, great
friend. His presence made the film very very special. Hulk, if you're
reading this, it was a privilege to be mangled by such a gentleman.
Wow. And then on Tea he posted again about mister t flying high now
so sorry to be back to go back in time. But I've never seen
this one either, and it was a photo photo that that I just thought
i'd share. This was from one of the one of the fights during the
opening montage and Rocky three where we were first introduced to the song I Have
a Tiger. This was a real fighter who was paid to No. I
guess it wasn't about I don't know why they said it was about Tea but
whatever, not about t I want to make it really realistic. But but
I feel pretty I've actually felt bad afterwards. So speaking of Iya the Tiger,
we've mentioned it several times, been referenced by mister Stalone himself. Originally
Stallone wanted to use another one Bite to the Dust from Queen as the fight
for Rocky three. Wow. Yeah, which you know, I don't.
I love Queen. I love another one by the Dust, but I do
not think that that would have the same impact. And thank goodness that they
wouldn't give him the rights. So he approached the band Survivor, and much
in the way that Stallone recruited Hulk Hogan, he left a message for the
band and they thought it was a joke, but they called him back and
found out that it was legit. Stallone answered the vote himself and they Stallone
sent them the opening montage of the film to get them going, and then
eventually a copy of the finished film that they had to return right away so
they could write the song, and they watched when they were watching the movie,
they they saw that scene where Apollo Creed says to rock that to Rocky
that he's losing the eye of the tiger, and they're like, that's it.
That's the title right there, and Survivor was on Yeah, and they
would go on to win a Grammy for the song Another One Bites the Dust.
Actually, you know what, Wrestler actually briefly came to the ring of
that music. Oh, who did junk Yard Dog? Yes, that's right,
I didn't know that. Yep. So now, principal photography for the
film began, as we talked about, May of nineteen eighty one, not
nineteen seventy nine. It's the whole COVID. I believe you're wrong, brother,
Sorry, brother. So there's a pretty famous scene the first time we're
really introduced, or the first time that Rocky and clubber Lang go face to
face, is a scene where a statue was revealed of Rocky, made to
honor him at the famous steps in front of the Philadelphia Art Museum. However,
there was there was some controversy surrounding this statue after the filming of the
movie from the United Press International Rocky Balboa, star of the star character of
the movie Rocky may have brought fame to the Philadelphia Art Museum, but the
museum doesn't want a permanent memorial to the fictional boxer. Oh I thought you're
gonna say he was actually a Confederate general. Great, but Rocky Balboa turns
out to be a Nazi. The movie. The movie actually is what it
said. The movie featured Balbo played by So Let's just alone, jogging up
the steps of the Art Museum and raising his arms in victory as he reached
the top. Now, the makers of Rocky one and its sequel, Rocky
two, are planning are planning to begin filming Rocky three next month, and
part of the movie involves the use of a ten foot high sculpture of Rocky
Arms raised in victory Victory on the museum steps. Sculptor Tom Ready Schomberg,
Oh my God, said the Art Commission has allowed the film crew to place
his statue on the steps for the dration to the filming, but they don't
want it left there as a gift to the museum. Afterwards, the commission
turned down the gift. Yeah, Sloan was going to give it as a
gift. The Commission turned down the gift, saying that the work might be
better suited for another location in the city's park system. Some reports said that
the commission considered the piece a commercial work immortalizing actor producer Stallone, rather than
a work of art. I think it's a little embarrassing, said Schomberg,
thirty seven, a native of Sioux Siu City, Iowa, on a recent
visit to the city. I went home and the museum would judge my work
as a piece of art and not as an actor's effigy. And the later
on the Associated Press added that the museum suggested it should stand at Philadelphia's Spectrum
Sports Arena. Stallone reportedly became angry when he read about the brew. Haha.
He didn't mean for the statue to be crammed down anyone's throat, said
a named source quoted by The Bulletin Wednesday. Whether it's whether it stays or
not doesn't matter to him. You saw it go a you know, go
blow out of proportion. Salon said it a news at conference Tuesday. You
know basically was a prop built. No no, uh, basically it was
a prop built for the movies. You know, we already made plans to
take it back to California and put it up there. City representative Richard Durand
said he was surprised at the actor planning and repossessed the statue. If they
would reconsider it, we would be delighted to have it. And this little
war waged throughout the entire summer after the movie. Wait yeah, after the
movie was shot, and in September of eighty one, the United Press road
it's a statue, but is it art? The statue in crash question is
one of SILVESTERI Salone's Rocky as Rocky three, Rocky the Third, not Rocky
Junior, No Rocky Senior. Rocky here huh getting my postmodernism. Yeah.
The actor unveiled his likeness to May on the steps of the Philadelphia Museum of
Art, the same steps he ran up in Triumph. At the end of
the movie Rocky. The city's Art commission said it couldn't stay on the steps,
so Stalone took it home to Hollywood. Now, city Councilman James tay
Yune says, unless the Art Commission changed its arbitrary and capricious vert is a
capricious cp capri SIUs capricious, capricious verdict. He'll propose and ordinance the city
except the statue saloon, wrote tay Youune guaranteed the return of the statue free
of freight charges. Is the commission art Commission reconsiders its previous decision. Art
museum officials had no comment, so I think. In seventy two, the
American architect Robert Venturi formulated the postmodern creed when he said Disney World is nearer
to what people want than what architects have ever given them. Disneyland is the
symbolic American utopia. Correct. Venturi says we should learn from Las Vegas from
local street architecture, which grows up organically and unplanned. It's what people really
like. In place of utilateral glass boxes, Pomo architecture offers the vernacular,
an emphasis on the local and particular, as opposed to modernist universalism. This
means a return to ornament with references to the historic past and its symbolism,
but in the ironic manner of parody, pastiche and quotation. Definitely, that's
the Rocky statue. To me, pastiche is without a doubt, it is
pomo in a box. That's what it is. Love it. Venturi says
it's art, and Venturi is right. Pomo is always right correct. That's
postmodern right there, that's right, be right as postmodern. So a random
citizen started, actually started a petition to return the statue, believe it or
not, and indeed, finally it was returned to the steps of the museum
for two weeks to celebrate the premiere of Rocky three. Then it did move
to the Spectrum for a number of years before moving to its fine to then
moving it for at the Spectrum for a number of years before moving to its
final resting place, the Philadelphia City Dump. Kiddy kidding, I'm totally yeah.
It actually rests at the foot of the Rocky steps, So instead of
at the top where it is in the movie, it's at the bottom,
got it. And besides Philadelphia, they did shoot in other areas of the
country New York, Nevada, Los Angeles before wrapping in August of eighty one.
Now, for as I mentioned before, for promoting the film, despite
t being the antagonist of the film, Hogan steals the spotlight. No surprise
there. And like I said before, they had this this same fucking picture
that that that initial face off, a promo, a promotional still of that
Hogan stallone face off, and uh, all all over newspapers. It was
actually kind of annoying because every time that I'm looking, I'm thinking that it's
going to be a story, and it's just the same fucking thing, the
same fucking thing. And it usually had a caption like like this Anywhere he
wants is the answer to the question where does Thunderlips sleep? So Lester Saloon
looks up with a huge hulk of a man whose real name is hul Cogan,
but to share a scene in the film Rocky three, which is due
for release shortly, and it's like, where's tea where the fuck is Tea
not amazing? Yep, Like the main focus is Hogan and Stallone, And
uh, I'm thinking, mister T made Hulk Cogan famous. It seems to
be the opposite. Yeah, in a weird way. It kind of is
like it's like it's it's kind of like it's kind of like Batman, you
know, like you made me, but I made you for first, you
know, from that line and then you know, and and and then in
the movie. But uh yeah, so uh pretty fucking crazy and uh you
know, I actually did you know, I did hear that Hogan? You
know, brother, you know he doesn't lose in in the movie. He
doesn't, Josh. I was just thinking, dude, Yeah, okay,
what are you thinking? Man? Well, you know, brother, I'm
thinking, dude, I'm thinking maybe you know I listen, you're the screenwriter.
Brother. I don't want to up anyone chose dude. What I'm thinking
Brother, instead of you winning, And I think that a better idea,
Brother, would be for me to beat you. Dude. What do you
think of that? Brother? Well, you know, I don't know.
You know the you know, the movie is really about Rocky and Club Lane.
You know that I don't know if we can do you know, if
I beat you, if you beat me, and then what is that?
You know, where do we leave from there? You know? All my
fight you again? You know what what you know what we what are we
going to do with that? When I get my well, dude, I'm
goes on thinking, brother, just bear with me, dude. What if
brother? You know, I'm just saying that this could be kind of we
can kind of creating a whole like kind of branching out with the franchise,
dude, And what if brother, I beat you, dude, and then
I win the boxing championship, brother by beating you in the wrestling match.
Dude. Well you know yeah, well you know, I I see you
know, I see where you're going with that. By the movie is called
Rocky, It's not called Thunderlips. You know, you know you know what
I mean, Brother, I know that, dude. But well again,
what I'm thinking is change the movie, dude, Thunderlips underneath that Rocky three.
See what I'm saying, their brother, So it's got both, dude.
And then I go and I beat Clever Lang brother twice, so you
have that. You keep the whole script the same, brother, But I
said to you, losing dude. I beat him the first time, brother,
because there's no way he's gonna beat me, dude. And then I
beat him again, brother, and then we build the rematch, dude,
the rema between Rocky and Thunderlips. Brother, that would be maybe, you
know, maybe like you could do maybe like Rocky seven. Brother. You
know, did you have these other movies that are focused on Thunderlips Dude to
build the rematch? Brother? Well you know, yeah, I get that,
Holt, but you know that's not the way the movies. You know,
movies work. You kind of want to wrap it up, you know,
and things. Brother, I know, dude, listen to understand long
term thinking. Brother. You know, I'm in the wrestling business. Dude.
Yeah, I know, I know. But you know this isn't this
is a movie you know, not doing you know, you know, Brother,
Listen, Dude, I'm telling you, dude, this is the way
it's going to be. Brother. We can do this. Yeah, okay,
all right, yeah brother, that's how it happened. Well, you
know there was discussions that way. Again, he does not lose door.
A door was closed. The the guy that managed Hogan at the beginning of
the w A I'm remembering now Johnny Valiant and then they yes, so he
was a heel and but he was still getting baby face reactions at the studio
tapings. I'm seeing here in the wrestling classes. He is a he is
a Hall of Famer. H There we go. So, as I mentioned
before, there was a there was this behind the scenes featurette that uh I
presume air on television and they had this uh major focus on Hogan and so
here I'm gonna play some uh oh what is that? Yeah, I'm gonna
play this bit here. There is a new addition to the team of actors
for Rocky three and Thunder, played by world champion wrestler Hogan. I'll get
something else. He's for real. He's a ferocious, bugging individual. Here's
the strongest individual I've ever seen. I never caught like a dark Just watch
sick, tough individual. Tough tough Sea is the culmination of every bad practical
joke that ever lived. Calls the culmination of every bad practical joke that ever
ever lived. Well, I mean all the things to say about him.
You say he's for real's no way, man, he's for fake. Here
I'm going to show you. Uh, I'm going to share my screen with
you. Sorry, everybody else who can't be shared with? How did I
do this before? I did this last time? No, not add files?
How do I hold on? Here we go, share a screen and
yeah, can you see my screen? Can you see me? You got
this? Yes? All right? Here we go And then this is up
brings out bringing down the ball in sy I don't need that fucking music.
Sorry, And you got this. This is complexing slide. This is this
is behind the scenes stuff slides in this yellow out for there's fucking burgess.
Meredith there and m they're they're doing all these movies. See Hogan coming down
like, yeah, it's great stuff. Yeah, pretty cool. And the
camera lens behind the lens. I didn't know they were doing these behind the
scenes featurette, so I thought that was like a DVD era innovation. They
were definitely new. They were definitely new. But you can see Hogan here.
Uh, it's actually footed from the film. Now. Yeah, I
was gonna say this looks rather polished. But you saw Hogan practicing with a
T shirt on and an empty arena. That was pretty cool and watching them
practice. But look at the sides of him. Look at Hogan, He's
huge. Well, like the money shot is slies, like eyebrows being at
Hogan's chest, exactly massive. It's the height Hogan. You know, he's
obviously massive, but he's deceptively tall. The real thing that is it,
That is a real thing. So yeah, there's the making of very cool.
Thanks for that and stop sharing. Uh. And then also another interview
where mister stallone does talk about mister thunder Lips. He becomes so you might
say public oriented, a big charity worker. You might say Bob Hope wearing
boxing gloves. He is that kindly. He is a big charity worker.
He wrestles. He fights a giant wrestler, a seventh foot man named Haul
Cogan, who is an extraordinary creature who we fight in the ring. And
it's just for charity. And what turns out, what started out as a
match to raise money for children turns into a war. I mean everything's he's
backfiring on him, he's losing control of it. Very cool. Yeah,
And then you know, but mister T did get to shine. And also
also I want to say this, mister T got a lot of great press
from it because he everyone thought that he was one of the best parts of
the movie because of his Yeah, I know exactly, And so he did
get to the shine on Letterman promoting the film, and what a fucking interview.
Why yeah, fucking I'm gonna give you a couple of brief clips.
But it is worth it is worth finding it and watching it because t.
I don't know if this is mister T or if he is fucking working David
Letterman, because it is on I think I know which one. Yeah,
yeah, it is fucking Monney. Here we go. You were so frightening
in that motion picture. And have you acted before or was that just you
we were watching there? Well, the character calls to be hungry, and
I've been hungry all my life, so one of the problem. That's why
what he's combat boots, because it's symbolic of my struggle. I'm born in
the ghetto and raised on welfare. So that's what sort of the character was
about. How the people mistake him for being mean and hateful. He don't
hate, He's just hunger. He'd been pushed aside so long. Here he's
the number one challenging untill he don't get a shot at the title. So
that makes a guy mad TCB. I believe in taking care of business.
I came here to do the show. Mister T does not light some weight
for nothing. Yeah nobody, Well, let me just apologize for any inconvenience,
and we're glad that you didn't. Again, did you hate till you
got two more? It's okay. It's okay because he's paying me for it,
So it's all right. That's right. Your name? First of all,
is that your real name? Or if Pope John Paul the second was
coming with yes, him, what's his real name? Was? Well,
uh, but you have to it's an interesting name, mister T. Right,
Well, I changed it because I wasn't given respect before. You know,
people have a tendency always constantly call a man boy for what reason.
I don't know why, you know, So I changed my name and mister
T so the first word out of everybody in mouth we missed a sign of
respect. Do you have a first name? My first name is mister,
My middle name is that period, my last name is. Who are some
of the people that you are currently guarding? Well for your most recent client?
You know, yes I do. Oh, but how did you get
the job? I mean, there's plenty of hungry folks here. But yeah,
well you got to you know, when it was being telligent, see
what do you see? I knew I could act a long time ago,
when I was in first grade. My teacher he's always telling me, I
don't you stop acting the food, stop acting the cloud. I knew how
to act the who would act the clown. I haven't acted anything, you
know what I mean? And I've been acting all my life. Is just
that now people begin to pay me for it. And you all right,
so they've been paying mister I love it. That's great. You know,
he certainly continues to get paid to act like a clown. You're damn right.
Sway, a couple more years a ballt, you'll get it. He'll
be a real fucking Carni worker. My question is he had a name before
mister T. Yes, and they called him boy? Yes? Now can't
they still call him boy even though he changed his names? It is kind
of funny, like yeah, like if they you know, boy, they
didn't call you boy, Lawrence to row, you know, it implies that
his first name used to be boy, right, I don't think I don't
think he fixed it. I don't fix some problem there. But nonetheless I
get what he was going for absolutely, as do I. But now,
yeah, that is tremendous. You can see how somebody with that kind of
that kind of quick wit on television in the mid early eighties, Like,
oh fuck, yeah, that's just different. Yes, you know, like
yes, like also not afraid to be himself, like with his in you
know, his intense look and his hair cutt and everything to be on Letterman
back then, Oh man, it was so much easier to get over.
It was harder to get the chance to get over. Yeah, but god
damn it, when you had a shot, you had a show, Yeah,
like you know, you could get over in one night. But let's
let's also remember that Letterman is on the twelve thirty slot, all right,
he's on the later slot. Bulch, Stallone and Hogan were on the earlier
slot, the Tonight Show with the bigger host Johnny Carson. Film. Wow,
I'm just gonna come out and say it, but that sounds like some
systemic racism going on. You got tea going on. T he also not
being the focus of the fucking yeah the photo, you know, like there's
some shit going on here, Like I don't know, but nonetheless it happened,
and you know, T certainly held his own and he came out better
for it. But stallone, like we talked about before, they wanted to
hire real boxers, and he get a chance to talk about it on the
Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, got one. Yes, you're right, yes,
oh yes, yes, I'm doing it. No'm I gonna go at
the beginning. So this time, wouldn't it be interesting to take a real
fighter and bring him into the film because I need a new opponent at the
end, and just teach him how to act a little a little bit.
That'll say a lot of time. So the first one is Ernie Shavers,
now Ernie Shavers as I don't know, fifty nine fights, about fifty six
knockouts. Well, I got into the ring with him, and after a
while you begin to believe, you know, I'm pretty hot. Yeah,
oh yeah, I'm hot. Okay. He hit me on the old bow
and knocked my window. Hit me here, you've got a concussion. Then
he got me in the corner. He looked at me and there was a
certain voracious hunger, like I was a tea bone steak and he has all
been marooned on an island for years. And he proceeds like seventeen body punches
and I and I said, do I what is that screeching in the background
as the producer saying save my boy? There he goes he's a professional.
But he was great. He was great, and I thought he really hit,
really good. So I said, maybe I'll go to someone a little
easier. Joe Fraser. True, We're in the ring and we're boxing.
All of a sudden, I feel something warm. This just can't be nerves.
What is it? And I look up and I said, either I'm
bleeding or someone who's just dumped marmalade on my head. It was all red
and what it was was just a quick little butt. There was accidental and
I said, here, I am one man dead. I'm bleeding. We
haven't even got the We haven't got haven't passed the audition yet. Three and
a half or four minutes. And it really is funny. It really is
direct. It's easy for you, easy for me. We had to get
that guy on the show, what's his name? Well have seen cold?
Yeah, he's a very good shape. And then this comes out and it's
like he's on his dimensions live or not. He his arms are twenty four
inches around, might die twenty one, okay. His chest is sixty two
around the shoulders, it's close to seventy inches around. That's a large that's
a large piction. I mean it's large eyes. His neck is twenty three
and he eats five ten Italian. He sure dies with me. That person
in this picture really really caught one. Yes, you're right, yes,
oh yes. Uh usually was my fault the hulk here. The only time
he hurt me is when I when he would there's a lot of falls that
go on. I'd leave my arm out and I'd forget and he'd land on
it, and then I'd bring it back and it would be a postage stand
a big pancake. That's awesome. It's so funny that he said, you
know, I'm gonna go look for some real fighters and make them actors.
Right. He ends up with yeah, right, right, ends up with
how you do the cut of the opposite. But you kind of got actors
and taught him to be fighters the sad previously. So I guess there was
a two. There was a thing. So uh was Ernie Shavers when he
was doing it? I guess he his his voice was too high, Okay,
is Ernie Shavers? I don't know Ernie Shavers at all. I mean
I know him probab about his voice something like that. I think his voice
was too high. And then Frasier just couldn't fucking memorize shit. You couldn't
remember anything, I believe, So they just didn't They didn't work well.
And so then he comes in and fucking has it all and he's not even
a real fighter, much like Hulk Hogan. So somebody said marmalade too,
huh, Like what who the fuck is marmalade? I know, right,
Jesus Christ? So is the last time you heard that one? Some guy
grew up in a mom's kitchen. That's like, could you go to the
fucking corner store? Can you go down in a store and get me a
jar of marmalade? But again to your ply, he could have used anything.
He could have used you know, warm rain or something. No food,
yeah, fucking piss whatever. Tomato sauce would have been better. Well
yeah, well that would have food too. But it's all about food,
and it's that simple, it really is. Fucking you know, Ernie Shavers
thought he was a steak, so hulk Hogan eats small Italian men, so
small Italian sub large Italian subs. Actually small Italian men, large Italian subs,
very different. It's so fucking stupid. It's just like I thinks we're
in Jersey Mics, you know, like these run of the mill like Italians
with the season on the stupid go ahead. Sorry, right, so you
know we did we we actually covered this Hogan in the Carson Show. Uh
but before we get he did. He does talk a little bit about it
in the Hollywood Hogan book. Yeah, Sylvester Stallone was going around promoting Rocky
three, and of course he wound up on the Tonight Show. In those
days, Johnny Carson was the host of the Tonight Show and he asked about
the wrestling the movie. He's grit, He's great, Carson said, who
is he? Sloane wanted to talk about how many hours it took to film
Rocky three and how good all the boxing swingen scenes were, but Carson kept
backing about the wrestler. True he didn't, but you know, I mean
he did, but you know not. It seemed like he wanted to talk
about Hogan more than slide did Yeah, I guess, but I think he
was fine with it. But he probably asked like three or four times.
It was pretty funny. And after that, when Stallone went on on the
Today Show and the other talk shows to promote Rocky three, he didn't bring
up the subject of Thunderlips the wrestler. He didn't want me to overshadow the
rest of the movie. Meanwhile, Johnny Carson called up the firm that was
hired to promote the movie and asked them about Thunderlips. He drove them so
crazy they finally hunted me down and put me in touch with the Tonight Show.
Before I knew it, I was sitting backstage in the green room getting
ready to go on with Johnny Carson. I was wearing a black silk tank
top. Nope, it was red, which was good because you couldn't see
the bands of sweat under my pecks red red shirt. Pal, I was
why lie, like I can see misremembering the color shirt you had on if
asked? But why volunteer? Right? A fague detail. Not only that
I don't understand, not only say black, but talking about the sweats under
your tits, like right, talk about the reason you remember it was black
when it wasn't black, right, what's he hide in there? I mean,
I don't think he was even I didn't notice the sweat when I wanted.
I was real nervous. I think it's it's either red or blue.
I don't remember, but it's definitely not black, that's for sure. But
Carson, I was real nervous. But Carson came backstage and was really funny.
I guess he was trying to loosen me up because he wanted a good
performance from me, and he got one. He said, hey, man,
when you're home, what do you do in your spare time? I
said, I, you know, a Golu voice. Brother. Then he
nails and spit lightning and crap thunder or something like that. I don't remember
that at all. But Carson was at the top of his game. He
treated me with a lot of respect. He made me feel comfortable out there.
And it's funny. You can see Hogan's nervous. I don't know if
you remember that from h but he's got his hands classed together almost the entire
interview, like rubbing them together, like like very very not Hulk Hogan.
You know, it's so interesting to see him do that. I was his
first guest that night. After I was done, he asked me to move
over and sit on the couch. That's always a good thing. Then Brooke
Shields came out. She was about fifteen, a very pretty lady, very
friendly. Actually, I would end up working with Brookshields twenty years later when
she had a sitcom called Suddenly Susan. But of course I didn't know that
when we were sitting there that day on the Tonight Show, when we were
done taping, Johnny Carson wanted to pose for a picture with his head on
top of my muscle. Brook Shields was hanging and kidding with us, and
all of a sudden, her mother showed up. Talk about overprotective. She
didn't let brook get anywhere near me the rest of the time we were there,
because he she knows you're a pervert, right And Linda's gonna prove that
in about twenty fucking years. And I don't blame her, because I had
a fr I would have fucked her. Dude, brookshoe hatter hand on my
cock, brother, just saying you know, I'm you know, fifteen,
brother, You know I don't know, dude, is that illegal? I
don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm not a lawyer. I'm just a
perpetrator. That was the old Chris Rock routine about how like, you know,
when I went out to dinner with my wife and one of her friends,
and when my wife got up to go to the bathroom, you know,
my wife insisted that her girlfriend come with her to the bathroom and he
goes. And I don't blame her because I had a fucked her. I
had a fucked her on a fucking casity. I don't get a ship.
That is awesome, That is great. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with
Jack and JP Soros, The Last and Wrestling Podcast. Yeah, that's the
key, that's the d That's what makes you a comic artist. You picture
your picture her sitting on a fucking cassode, because it puts you at a
totally like you realize there at a chain restaurant, you know, and they're
kind of like you know what I mean, right, they're all like a
fucking Fridays or an Applebee's, run of the mill people. It's not like
some kind of you know, tryst of celebrities. It's like they're they're at
a fucking Fridays and he's gonna great fun. You're of course, uh,
like I said, Hogan, one we vent we we visited before during the
prep for the trial of his life. But here are a few moments.
I don't know if we focus on because it's more about Rocky, but here's
here we go. You know, when you talk about wrestling, Johnny turns
me into a stark, raving maniac. You know, that's a very hard
time comproying myself with Sylvester Stone because it would have been so easy just to
Yeah, of course, are most of the bouts fixed? Or is that
a bad question? Right question? Bad question? Is a bad question.
I wish they were fixed, because then it would be a lot easier.
As you noticed the teeth marks around my fingers. Yes, you're right right
here. If it was fixed to be much easier, and probably everybody in
there would be in it. But what professional wrestling is the cream and the
crop. It's mostly the wrestlers that come from the Olympics and very amateur wrestlers
that make the grade and they get into professional wrestling. And right now I
wrestle main events all across the country. And if it was fixed, it'd
be very much, very easier for me. But right now it's like a
fight for your life every time you step in there. It really isn't dangerous
definitely, Why wise is one? I want you Occasionally why a wrestler will
throw the other one against the ropes and then stand in the middle of the
ring. The other one goes clear across here, we got off the ropes
and comes back and does not move out of the way, and he knocks
him down. I mean, what does that seems? Does that seems strange
to you? I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that I haven't.
I haven't noticed the instance you're talking about. Usually when I throw somebody in
the ropes, that's I have something in mind that will kind of like destroy
them. They put them out for a little while when they do come off
the ropes. But the thing is, you know, so many people talk
about professional wrestling, and I just wish I could take everybody here and spend
fifteen or twenty seconds with you, and I could make believers out of everybody
here. I think that's probably a fair assumption. But the thing is,
you know, professional wrestling draws more money than any any major professional sports simply
because we have no off season. We work all year round. Yes,
I just came back and I'll be heading out in a few days. But
in Japan more from the movie Rocky three, Well, they started public sizing
the movie about a year ago over there, and it's helped a little bit,
you know, as far as them knowing me, as far as the
movie goes. But wrestling in baseball are like their number one sports in Japan,
and they treat you if you're a wrestler, they treat you just like
you're a movie star. Anyway. Yeah, it's true. So even then,
even in eighty two, he's got his fight. No, No,
one's promoting a movie a year before it comes out. I don't care where
you are. No, it's promoting a movie while it's shooting before it shot.
Oh god, essentially. But here's another one with Hogan on Carson.
How did this come up? On? To do? This is still don't
just calling up or see someone. Well, I was wrestling in Madison Square
Garden and I got a note from the promoter to call Sylvester Stallone for a
major part in a Rocke movie. Right, I just took it and threw
it away. Figured it was a joke from the other wrestlers. So I
was gone for about eight weeks. When I came back, there was a
surgent telegram please call mister Stallone immediately. So I called him and uh,
it was real. You know, Yeah, do you enjoy making a picture?
It? You can do some more, I hope. So you're kind
of limited in the rules in a way. Then again maybe not? Maybe
not. No, I would like to get back on subing through wrestling just
for a minute. There's such a there's such a tremendous following, you know,
like I travel all over the world and all over the country, and
there's so many amateur programs and young people getting into the thing that I hate
to see people knock it or degraded if they really don't know what they're talking
about right there, And it's always been one of my favorite sports. How
good is Carson? Great brought up for We're gonna miss an Olympic every Friday
night in the front row. He's fucking awesome. Man. You're gonna tell
me that we live in a superior time to that, give me a never
never, not where, not where A scared Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson can
can can go from calling wrestling asking wrestling's fixed, to being to being horrified
so much that he, I mean, how artfully does he handle that?
He gives Hogan and out, you know what I mean, But he still
asks the question, but he does it in a way that like is awesome,
so inoffensive, and he still makes you love him by the end even
though he's asking that question. Yep, just great. So another minor little
promotional tie in. Did you know that there was a Rocky three Thunderlips toy
ring that was created for kids googling begin there was a so the the whole
Cogan Collection channel believe it or not, on YouTube. That's the thing is
episode on it. Here's a here's a clip from from that. This is
a nineteen eighty three Rocky three All Cogan Thunderlips ring. Wow, there's not
a whole lot of these fuss. The boxes is in a condition. You
know, as a collector, you know, there's you got to be a
bit of a snob. You know, you're dealing with a you know,
really commodity in general. But that uh and uh, you know, i'd
probably give like a sixty or seventy to the condition. But the rarity of
this item actually just overrides everything. This is worth several hundreds of dollars worth,
child and it's it's a very rare ring. If you know somebody that
has one of these, please just try to get it. Don't a little
ball them, be a little honest, but try to get a good deal.
Well you see it, Yeah, I see it. Fucking obsessed.
I kind of remember this the figure. I see packaging that's separate. Hul
Cogan has Thunderlips. It looked like a series of Rocky Action figures. I
feel like that's kind of one of the first wrestling action figures in the country.
Is Hogan's Thunderlips figure? Makes sense? Yeah? Yeah, I know
I don't remember at all, But does it? If I'm not mistaken,
the figure kind of looks like a like an LGN, right it does.
Yeah, well, it looks more like a REMCO. Okay, it's got
kind of like those those plastic arms that go up and down. It looks
like a solid and uh and yeah. And then they came out with Rocky
Action figures years later, with the much more detailed Thunderlips that looks tremendous.
Really, Yeah, with the Cape and the detailed happy the red feather.
Yeah, very cool. Obsessed. Obsessed doesn't begin to cover it. There's
the packaging, the box of that ring, the idea that you could go
into like any old toy store around the release Rocky three. Hey, that's
Wrestler from Rocky before he was Hulk Cogan. These were, these were,
if I'm not mistaken, the newer ones. Those are those are the w
toys. Yeah, Jack's right, Yeah, that original one. The holy
shit, my god, I think it came. I think it came a
smidge after because the first Hogan figure I think is the the bendable Japanese figure,
the first ever Cogan figure. So but I think this one came out
around that time or shortly thereafter. It's unreal obsessed, yep, one hundred
percent, one hundred percent obsessed. So it's all happened, everything's done,
the movie's been promoted, where edited, we're in the canes. It is
now time to premiere the movie, and indeed it did. It opened May
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty two, and of course it was a huge hit,
Like I said, raked in two hundred and seventy million dollars at the
box office on a budget of approximately seventeen million, So I would say it's
a pretty solid return, don't you ask me. As for reviews, it
does fairly well as sequels go. I think right now, I forget where
I'm on rotten tomatoes. I think it's got like a sixty percent, which
you know sequels in the eighties, It's not bad. Usually there were just
the worst. Definitely much more of a hit than with audiences than with critics
who feel that Rocky may have worn out. As welcome a little bit from
the New York Times, first Rocky, then Rocky two, and now Rocky
three. Why you might query, poor qua Pa, Miss Piggy might rejoin
It's money don's le bank. Miss Peggy of course would be right down.
You just calm down, please, writer, take them show pill. This
is the New York Times. There's no chill pill in New York Times.
Miss Piggy does not come idly to mind. In connection with Silvester Stalone's Rocky
three, which opens today at the Cinerama and other theaters, mister Stallone,
the star of Rocky three, as well as its writer and director, is
hard put to find problems with which to freight his gold mine of a character.
Now that Rocky has everything. In the first quarter of the picture,
he seems to be vamping for time, which he does rather amusingly. There's
a sequence in which Pauli, Rocky's brother in law, is shown expressing his
jealousy and hurt feelings at Rocky's fame. There's also a comic sequence in which
Rocky, on behalf of Charity, fights a match with a wrestler known as
Thunderlips, who is described as the ultimate mountain of desire. Eventually, Rocky
three gets down to its main business. This is a grudge five in which
Rocky must defend his title against a loud mouthed, angry new contender, club
Er Lang, played with a good deal of humor by an actor called mister
t, a fellow who does a great impersonation of Muhammad Ali. Does he?
Rocky three does end on an alarming note. There may well be a
Rocky four. The Canada Globe and Maine respondent, does anyone Carol, Huh,
Globe and Mail? I think mail Yeah, mail whatever, Sure,
Globe and Mail. Does anyone care what happens to Cinderella after she sets up
housekeeping with the Prince So if that's just alone creator of boxer Rocky Balboa,
that Lump and Cinderella in Sweatpants does. And what's Stallone, writer and director
of Rocky three, has discovered is this The castle is no different than the
cottage every morning. It's the same damn thing. Have the Tutsi's grown too
corny for the glass, slipper? Has the head grown too large for the
crown? The answer, finally is yes. Rocky three, unlike its twin
predecessors, is a charmlessly manipulative movie. The magic is caput. And finally,
from the Miami Herald, the good news about Rocky three is there is
probably room for more Rockies. Someone's actually excited about this. Stallone, who
wrote the first and took over as director on the dismal sequel, has found
his legs as a filmmaker and a measure of restraint as an actor. Rocky
three could have been, probably should have been dreadful. Instead, he's a
sweet, if predictable reminder of the qualities that made the original so popular.
Well look at that. Rocky is rich, but clubb Lange is hungry.
So much hunger going on here. Clubber is training the way Rocky used to
desperately violently alone. He's big, he's black, Okay, okay. In
there he has a strange haircut and lunatic's eyes. This is awful. He
is played by a man named mister t who in real life used to be
Ali's bodyguard. Uh oh, it's a classic setup and Stallone doesn't waste it.
The rest of the film has few surprises, but Stallone was never concerned
with finesse. That's like, that's like saying John Cena is only you know
he's right, he's high. He's a high impact wrestler. Uh. He
directs the way the Green Bay Packers used to play. No tricks, just
execution, and that is that. Oh, boss, you did it.
It's all there, Rocky fucking three, all the stones I would have liked
to have turned over in consideration of Rocky three and more brought to that ass
on under the cinemat for your executive producer to your play. Not a joke,
folks. Twenty twenty one is strong. Yeah, we're setting high bars
and smashing holes. He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow.
It's the Lapsed fan Wrestling Podcast. Start the projector and three two one
play m h there's the screaming metro goldlan Meyer, Lion or somebody. I
think a lion starts when Hogan shows up and the Lion of the bathroom.
Oh man, that's this sound is putting me in a particular ease mood.
You'd added artists, right, MGM U a other is the one and the
same, Yeah, more or less? And there. MGM is such a
fucking cluster. Fuck now, it's all over the place. MGM in there
bullshit and they're bullshit like that. So many different so many different studios own
have licensing to the to the fucking MGM franchise. Wow, look at the
Ring Magazine World Championship with the red, white and blue tasseling or whatever on
the sides. The bun tang almost weird, like the fucking frills, like
it's a seventies uh yep tuxedo. Yeah, I don't know. So what
the Ring Magazine they decided they were. They're like the pre eminent rankings body.
So it's like who they say is the number one contender is accepted by
most of boxing I see as the top contender as we see Rocky just pummel
Apollo Creed. I what I love about what's so funny about the Rocky movies
is that if you you could actually just edit them together and make one fucking
like the first five at least like an eight hour movie, because they always
end, they always begin where the the last one left off, like literally
showing you clips. Yeah, exactly, and they're exactly yep. Look at
his fucking face. Look at look at Rockies. Look at both of them.
They're both beat the fuck up. What a business? You're right,
jeez, I forgot that Rocky punched him so hard at the end of Rocky
two that he too fell over. He had to answer the ten count and
the ring fells got this good stuff. I mean sure that the end of
the fights are always good, but like the movies are just rough. Man,
I just can't do it. I try. I give it again.
This one's I like three. I probably like three because there are three fights
in it, as opposed to a whole bunch of bullshit movie before. Then.
You know, like, seriously, you want him coming home to you.
He looks like he looks like the fucking the bosson Scrooge too, the
Dick and Marley character. You know, look at those old timey champions on
the on the belt. They got these old portraits from like nineteen twelve on
them. There's Mickey with the hearing aids in and here comes I had the
Tiger Baby, the movie that made the song famous. Right, that's right.
I mean, well this that was written for the written for the movie.
Yep, I works. That's huge. I have the Tiger leaders just
right. Not a small rookie Dean. Dean is even Helena Sell Helena.
That's the lightning break. So we're singing Rocky Defender's title against mirrored opponents.
Alight, idiot, not a fan? Huh? Bert Young, He's such
a dick in these movies, is he dad? I think he's dead.
Yeah he was. H I think he just died. He came up as
if he was in the news. He was. So we're seeing apparently at
Radio City Music Hall and making a successful title defense. Weird. Now he's
alive, he ain't dead. Whoa. There's Clever Lang watching on with a
saucy look on his face as Rocky Jesus uppercuts that guy almost into the front
row. Look at him, Look at him. Look at Clever Lang with
those fucking a beast the feather ear rings. Yeah, we see the the
changing marquee at the airport and an airplane because he's traveling the world. Pretty
young, Jesus Christ, everybody, let's looking like everyone's dad, Seriously,
everyone's grandfather. Always look old pictures of Rocky like he's an effective montage where
we're getting a lot across in like two minutes here, because I guess he
was supposed to be champing for like three years or whatever. Yeah, and
all because of Mickey, that fucker they keep I know, Micky, that
son of a bitch keeps zooming in on that menacing clubber lang. I mean,
he's apparently traveling. He has the money, apparently to travel the whole
world and find the Rockies every title defense. He's struggling. Here he is
glistening and uh well, Bridges drink a sixth straight knockout according to that newspaper
clipping great cap. Oh yeah, that's what you need. Like, look,
in the eighties, it was about physique. Wrestling taught us that,
and the movies taught us that too. It's not like wrestling was unique,
and it's why you fucking do a diet where it's right eaten. Part of
an oatmeal cookie rice and two scoops of tuna, so you can look like
you're a fucking beast when you're probably on the verge of dying. He does
look unhealthy here, I think in this movie kind of face is so gaunt.
Yeah, it's it's wackle. Does this add for Delore? And that's
hilarious Maserati Printatti's on GQ. They do a good job with this. It
looks real. Yeah, Muppet Show is actually I guess it was his real
Oh yeah, his real thing. But they re dubbed one of the muppets
to say Rocky instead of Stallone or whatever the fuck. They said, Oh,
that's fascinating. Yeah, yeah, because he did do he did do
a spot on the Hey, you notice the fans mobbing Celester Stallone looks kind
of like that, all those kids rushing Hogan. I didn't didn't know.
We didn't we created that. We actually see what happened was I suggested Stallone?
I said, Stallone, what you should do is you should have some
kids kind of hounding you and whatever. And who are you from? Vincent
man, I don't know who you are. My dad said no to the
movie. At first. My dad said no to things, and I don't
say no to you. Oh Cluver Lang is barking. You tell them nobody
could beat me. That is a Leah trying to channel Ali. Well,
if you would know, fucking mister T would know he's in black and white
for some reason, this movie sill take place in the sixties. Like I
think most people have color TVs by this point. You'd be surprised. My
first TV I gotten like eighty eight, and it was black and white.
I guess they're probably cheaper. You know, he can be a cheaper TV,
right, not that full color ship, right. You know? Carl
Weather's so we've got a Bert here is watching some news coverage of Balboa's upcoming
match against wrestling champion thunder Lips. He's such a penny ass. He fucks
it all. If I'm not mistaken, I think he fucks it all up
for Rocky. I think he's in in five. I think he he uh.
I think he he dambles away all his money or something. Yeah,
something like that. I don't know. Again, I don't care. He's
just riding Rockies coattails here in the bar. He is the ultimate coat tailor
bitch, total bitch when he starts to get mad that maybe Rocky doesn't appreciate
all he's done for him. Yeah, that kind of guy, you know,
taking a drag off a stogy hard hats in the bar. So he's
you know, Bert Young is still slumming it even though, Yeah, making
it to fame and fort Pollie Paulie. Well, when when Rocky and Adrian
are over in fucking Russia in Rocky for Paulie is fooled into signing a power
of attorney over to Rocky's accountant, who then squanders all of his money on
a real estate deal. Gone inside, that's right, Why don't you die?
Why are you dressed like the guy who managed the Fabulous Kangaroos? It's
like salt Weiner golf over here, that fucking hat, Like, seriously,
Rocky's giving you all this fucking money and you can't know what a pervert?
Honestly he's going to touch kids here? Hey, why is everyone dressed up
like wrestlers? Ever? Any more? I think it was canvas? See
another cameo, another wrestling cameo on this movie? So many look at the
hat is just perverted? Was he gonna get pissed off? That there's a
Rocky pinball machine. Now, yes he is. He's gonna throw shoot at
it with his flask. What a bitch, he really is, his ungrateful
prick. Also buy a new hat, like how's Rocky? For twenty bucks
and you get a new hat? Dumb fuck you to throw the flask at
the pinball machine. I would yep, I called it, Probably know it
somewhere in the recesses of my memory, but yeah, I'm sure you know
what I mean that. I love that about movies. It's like you remember
them, but you don't remember you remember them until the scene comes back,
and you know what's funny. I don't know about you, but sometimes I've
gone back and rewatched movies that I used to watch a lot as a kid.
But man, I don't remember shit about him? Is that right?
Yes? The one I the frequents I tend to recall. I used to
watch the movie Short Circuit a lot as a kid, and I watched it
not long ago, and I didn't remember anything that happened. Nothing jogged my
memory except for the main You know, the fucking robot looks like a Rockies
bailed Paulie at a prison here wet hair, beautiful eighties hair. So that's
just alone. Oh yeah, textbook eighties here with the tan suit yep,
does he have those? Fucking I wonder if he's got those. I guess
my more seventies, but it's kind of the end of the seventies. The
fucking elbow patches, the brown elbow patches that are like big again. I've
seen a lot of suit coats with those on these days. Oh, what
do you do for Paulie? What about Paulie? What about me? What
about rave? About the club? About the club? Oh I used to
know, so I just alone we step at the club. Is there a
reason that uh salt Weiner GoF just threw his rolex on the ground in the
parking garage of the police station here. Why are you yelling at him like
a slide go go go get the police and bring him back, like get
him, put him back in prison. He's a fucking a man's gotta do
something to keep one. It's a raving derrel like this guy. Man.
Look at trim that trim the top coat is. Look at the gloves,
very very snazzy. He's a fucking he's the most He's like an eighties Macy's
catalog. Oh seriously, Like honestly, it's like a fucking It's like the
eighties fucking jerked off and how came. It's like the Gifts for Him section
of the Sears Wish book. Hey, hey, what does that pin underneath
his tie? Interesting? That's very weird. You talk like everybody knows you
will live and he says, what's his character's name again? Paulie? Paulie.
Of course, think Jersey Shore. I think Jersey Shore exactly. Think
think Sopranos, Paulie walnuts there, there you go. He was in this.
Actually, Bert Young was in the Sopranos. He had a small part.
He played What the fuck was he he was? Uh? Bobby Back
is a dad I think in that if you Sopranos. Rockey just called on
the jelly lazy lazy bum and Paulie's taking like, you want to fucking that's
what you want to do. You want to definitely throw, you swing some,
throw some fucking punches. You gassed already. You're not worth working loafers.
Paulie is the fucking worst, Like, like, why, honestly,
that is that, that is the epitome of self destruction. Is Pauli in
the yes, because he's that guy. He's that person that you the toxic
individual who you just can't get rid of because deep down you don't think you're
worth anything, so you keep him around. And he knows that about yes
and off that exactly lives off of it, exactly knows what button to push
at the right moment to stay attached to you. Yep, codependency, tons
of problems. Fuck, it looks like that's what Rocky's about to do with.
He's gonna take her. David Letterman asked him if this went down for
real too? The crows, the blows you took in the ring were real?
Did you do your own stunts in that fucking sack as well? Slide?
No, no, no, slid? Did she you know you took
the blows? But did she blow you right? That is the question.
That is the question. Is this supposed to endear me to Rocky that they're
singing to each other here? Because it feels like my time is being wasted.
I don't know about you. Yeah, can we get to the wrestling
match? Please? Do you get the thunder lips? I'm not talking about
here? What about Adrian? Did she go on to any filmic success.
Oh my god, it's fucking Connie Corleone. Ladies and gentlemen, She's uh,
she'll be featured again. She's she's not going anywhere. I'll tell you
that. On'm of the cinemat. She will be featured for a while.
She's she's great, tell you she's awesome. Yeah, in the three
Godfather movies. Here we go, yep up here. It is the battle
of the champions. The box are against the wrestler. Is this our announcer?
Here is Dennis James. Ladies and gentlemen, Dennis James saw them in
a moment they do get We get a shot of him. There he is
right there on the road, looking dapper, with a carnation on his on
his lapel, still in his rock yellow robe with the black trim Rock.
There's Mick Rock. I got my fucking hand on my cock. All right,
let's killing this ship. This guy weighs eighteen thousand pounds. He's a
fucking fake. We don't need to know this shit. I'm gonna sit here
and I'm gonna I'm gonna act like the penguin. Well see the mustache behind
mister James. There stash On this comes. They think they think someone's carrying
Hogan. No one carries Actually people need to carry Hogan. Actually okay,
yeah, ready Savage did look, I'm coming after you, Balboa. Think
of a nation for the first time laying eyes on Hult Cogan and the big
screen in nineteen eighty two across this country and just wait, and it's not
even the moment yet. The moment is coming up. I mean, you
see him, he's you know, you can tell he's big, but you
don't know how big he is yet, right, And that championship belt was
one created specifically for the film, selling replicas of it on the Hogan's Beat
Shop website for six hundred dollars. Right now it looks like the old NBA
us title Yeah, or the TV title too. Thunder Lips is here.
He's talking into a microphone hanging from the ceiling. The Male versus the Ultimate
Meatball food again on that cast. I know there it is again. James
What what's his name? Dennis James? Idiot? Is he in the Kenneth
Kenneth Bronna's poiro and Order on the Owner Express? Jesus Christ, Look at
how getting this pump on biceps biggest arms in the world. This is great.
Look at him before he was bald. Yeah, I know right,
it's look at hair of that's going fast. He can see the one the
only didn't Salon induct Hogan into the Hall of Fame. Yes he did,
Yes, he did. Absolutely, there's like a Vince and Hogan posing.
That's an interesting mad effect on the camera. That must have been my mistake.
I think that's probably some kind of lens flair. Yeah, so Hogan
thunder has been introduced. We turn now to break him in half, gesturing
to the crowd menacingly. Of course, what a mustache. I can't even
deal with it. Rocky Rocky Balboa with the classic Art Jimmerson mistake, thinking
he can grapple with boxing gloves on. It's just not going to happen.
Put you at a disadvantage, not at an advantage. Wait for it now,
look at it. Wow, Wow, fucking Christ, that's the money
shot. You cut off the top of Hogan's heads exactly the frame, beautifully
shot. Huh yeah, oh, Rocky saying we need to get a polaroid
together after this match. He's still in a charity frame of mind, right,
Nogan. Hogan is in a steel chair frame of mind. Looks like
he may have worked himself into a shoot. Here, you're ready for the
double cross, the gorgeous George don Eagle double cross. There's the referee on
all the fresh look at double miss. But he's ready. He's fucking poised
to attack. Good move pretty fast for a big gu know, Pat Patterson,
all right, knock at this. He's talking through spots with Hogan because
it's about talking right, put communication in the ring, trusting your opponent.
There it is. That's the forearm of the back that he talked about,
and that blooded his face when he landed on Hogan's cowboy boot and another sledge
and down goes Man. Do they hit that sound effect? Or what?
Oh? Yeah? Thunders christ something? Look at Robert goul over there,
Yeah, corner to corner on the whip. I don't know if they teach
you how to take a buckle in boxing? Do you learn how to fall
off a how do you learn how to how you learn how to work with
Hulk Hogan? I believe Sylvester Stallone just took a bell out of the corner
with a facelock take down. Look at that he's learning those moves from Japan.
There it is the big power Slam crushes sly into the canvas. Not
for the meat. Poplays want to cover him. I'd be like, if
I want to face Hogan, I want to face he's taking careful notes.
Oh back, back breaker, Jesus the child, it's fake, but here
it is. It's pretty wild that he was dropping the leg in eighty one.
I know, huh, but it's not finishing. He's still saying husha
even in the movie Big Soup Lex beautiful. Okay, there are some of
the best moves I've ever seen. Hol Kongy Right, this is the best
wrestling he's ever done. That's because they fucking took like four hours to do
it. Probably, you know, it's incredible. Any stuff, man,
Fuck my god, he's always calling and he gets tossed. That's where Spike
Dudley got the idea from to get gorilla pressed in the audience and there Pepper.
She's used to this. Hogan was the third man in eighty one Apparents
and there goes Earl Happener ref takes the bump as well. Burtus Meredith is
dying. Yes, yeah, this is where the stuff hokus hokus, striking
policeman and security guards. He still wants balpoum taking the gloves off. The
gloves are off places. It's a wrestling ring, of course, it's the
d whoa. It looks like one of the the ring card girls in her
bikini was even involved in the tussles. Ready, look at britis. Meredith
is like, oh, losing his ship. This is about Boa is not
happy to see Rocky now gloveless. He's just got the tail on brother,
I changed the finish dude. Terry's back in side right to the gut.
You want to fight for real? Oh? He goozled him. Hogan has
got him in the goozle pay with the chair, wooden chairs across Hogan's back
and he knows sounds He's all right. Bumps for his career were naked choke
by Rocky Balboa taking the bad come on thunderlips scrambling for refuge, looking burgess
Meredith here is Mickey is he might as well be fucking uh Harley race God
on God, our faithful announcer saying Rocky is hanging on like a bull terrier.
He's calling on the old wrestling at the merry gold I guess vocabulary.
Hogan drops to an ee he's fighting, and look at this. Balboa releases
the hole to go to work body shots, get fucking merit, and then
the power slam. Look at this rock Frosh left, he's wobbley. Halk's
gonna take the bump. Wow boom slammed. That's the biggest of Hogan's career
right there. It really is. The skyscraper has been counted out of the
ring. Where been thrown out of the ring. And I'm gonna say that
probably just qualification if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, what is this? Bill
Watts w w well a w A. They did that too, They did
the Yeah that's true. Good point. That was actually more the rule than
the exception. In the early eighties, Hogan being fanned down by his uh
many, his harem of women, one of them Linda. I didn't check
that out. I should have seen pretty good stuff, good match, tremendous
lot that to the all fake There was a yes sure from Terry, Yeah
sure, yeah, there is. There's like the undercurrent of see it's all
fun in games here and Walter Matthow takes the photo Rocky bad not bad,
no very good showing good stuff we've seen in the back of their Reaganomics mansion.
Here we're told by that newspaper clipping that Rocky and Thunderlips wrote raised seventy
five thousand dollars for charity in that tussle there. I mean, it's not
good even for you expect the world champion boxer back then to at least bring
in one hundred thousand. Well they did bring in three times what Hogan got
paid to do. Then that's a good point. Is Sevester Stallone riding a
model T or is my my eyes deceiving me. It's a model of a
model T right, model test. Look at you got this beautiful room,
you know, look at him and then Paulie sitting there like a bitch in
his fucking wife beater idiot. That is the exact chandelier you would expect a
poor Italian kid from Philly to buy. And that same fucking wallpaper like that's
you know, I saw, you know, the wallpaper like that, you
know, a little bit of money, and I figured, you know,
I think it looks really nice. God, Yeah, he's way too lean.
It's almost not even muscular, you know. I mean, he looks
it's good for for like you said, looking ripped, but when he's got
regular clothes on, he looks like a like he's trying to be a model
more than a box. And this is one of my biggest pet peeves of
any movie. I hate when they play the theme music of the movie in
the movie, like it's a real song. I cannot say it in that
world. Yeah, and this is about to get the controversial A glimpse at
the controversial statue here, Yeah, says well documented earlier, and enter the
cinema and this is Oh, there was a shit you know, I'm going
to read it while we're doing this. Yeah. Sure, there was an
email. We got an email actually about this and what I remembered from Matt
some local trivia. He says, I'm looking forward to this. I grew
up in the same neighborhood as stallone. We both went to Lincoln High School
three decades apart, so I'm basically like an expert. In nineteen seventy eight,
he filmed a scene at Lincoln's auditorium for Rocky two, which he finally
gets his diploma, and we first learned that Rocky's real name is Robert,
but it was never used in the movie and no video footage exists. All
that remains is a single frame on a bubblegum card from nineteen seventy nine attached.
Wow funny the story that Stallone felt so bad about the scene being cut
that he gave Lincoln some TV time in Rocky three. In the scene right
here, that's the Lincoln Band, Lincoln Marching Bone. Oh yes, that's
right. As they unveiled the statue. They they aren't really identified, so
they are they have they're they're they're signed, their their logo, the name
is on the thing. And then he gives some phones, so Matt,
you know, Matt jh. He gave some stuff there, and he gave
some photos and stuff like that. And I guess he says that he recalls
many times in high school people would mention Stallone used to go there and that
he was put in the slow classes because they they thought he was quote unquote
retarded right repeatedly for year. And it was kind of like this weird thing,
like basically, our fucking retort won an Academy Award. Well he didn't,
he didn't win nominated. So the movie the movie One, but he
didn't win. So not my word, that was the word in the email.
Yes, it's you knowing the language of the time. Yes, indeed,
so Rocky taking the podium upon the unveiling of his statue. Now,
it's like, it's kind of funny, like I know when you think about
it in terms of the of the of the movie itself, Like the steps,
why do they fucking matter to the city of Philadelphia. They matter to
movie audiences that he that's what's famous about it. Like nobody was fucking there
when he climbed the steps and Rocky won. That's true, you know,
Like you know, if he wins the world titled you imagine he'd do a
bunch of interviews about how and where he trained. I guess why don't they
put the fucking then? Why didn't they put the fucking statue in the in
the meatpacking plan? Where the fuck that was? You know, boxing the
steaks and ship and the carcasses of the cows. At least we get the
food back. That's right. He just suggested he might retire. Looks Adrian,
here comes clever Lang. Don't give the sucker o statue? Give him
Jesus, what a what a what an angle ale, Yeah, totally is
got the hell out of hair, got on shooting an angle. I mean
that's the loan's wearing nice pin stripe suit right here. You know, you've
got a big mount, you know, whoa whoa Yeah. So this is
it? Like this is it. It's great, it's and and team makes
a good point with it, you know, talking about how he's been you
know here he is this, this this you know this this incredible fighter,
this tough fighter, has not been given a chance and he's hungry. Absolutely
makes a claim, makes the claim that that that Rocky has been fighting set
up upon it's not real contenders for the title, which Mickey doesn't want Clubver
to get a shot, and Sylvester is like, what were you talking about?
Mm hmm see he doesn't. Mickey's finished, doesn't want anything to do
with being pulled into a fight with this clever Lang character. B' just Meredith,
my fucking mouth man. How the hell that he survived? Oh oh,
he's inviting Adrian to uh to jump snob take a. He wants he
wants to Clubver her Lang perfect angle. I mean, this is it's wrestling
seventies per wrestling, you know, pull apart, goes the heel goes too
far, kind of goes below the belt and try to get under the skin
of the challenger and draw him out to give him a shot at the title.
And Rocky is beside himself as they return to the Man's furious. He
because it's true, rock We're going. I wonder why they called him what
Matt said, They called him we're going, We're going come back? Now?
Why doesn't Mickey he thinks Rocky should retire, Like, why is he
so mad about him fighting? You can't try because he's been setting up,
setting up the fights. I think he just said this guy will kill you
to death. That it's hungry. I'm hung now, Yeah, I'm fucking
starving. But it didn't make me want to win a fight. Yeah,
Hogan isn't hungry. You just had a large Italian a small one too for
them, man. Yeah, Mickey tayling Rocky that he's been setting him up
ever since he won the title. Nobody like Cluver Lang ye over. I
guess a lot of has been fighters name recognition, but not not a chance
to win what we like to call legends here at World Wrestling Entertainment. Yeah,
they did have legend legend uh legend contracts in the World Boxing Federation.
The originally the original WBS really been a legends night ever since Bell Bubba won
the title, a big, long ass legends night. They have like I
don't know, I don't know old boxers Jack Johnson, Oh, yes,
of course, Jack Johnson, Floyd Patterson, Roti pat Patterson, Mike Tyson,
Steve Austin. Thank you A real pugilist. You think he had the
pugilistic decadents. A pugilistic decadence sounds like a fucking medical condition. Well,
you know, I gotta tell you we uh, I'm gonna diagnose you with
pugilistic decads Well you know, I gotta tell you what a doctor the fuck?
Well, you know I gotta tell you you have cancer. I'll tell
you this is gonna be rough for me telling you this, But you've got
some pugilistic decadents. He's your son. I don't know what I can do
about. He's probably just reverting to a state of childhood dependence. Take him
home, introduce him to the kid. Childhood pugilistic decadence is what it is,
is not dependix. So Mickey's having a heart to heart on the couch
here with Rocky, and I find myself struggling to care. Boss. Yes,
let's get on with the fight. I don't care about character in this
movie. I care about fighting. Where's Hulk Hogan? Thanks? Gone,
Now we can wrap it up. If that's what you're waiting for. Just
stop the movie. Now, there's one more WrestleMania one participant together a belt
here, and to win a belt too for that matter. Spoiler alert,
Sorry, those are you not what? I've never seen Rocky tah before.
But cluver Lang wins, got it? Yeah, clubver Long, twist table
for long. Fritz Lang also wins clubber Lang descendant of Fritz German au Tour.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're gonna fight in the Metropolis later tonight.
Exactly. I think that's the clubb Lang is the no. So wait
a minute. Rocky trains at a hotel. Now he's got to promote ship.
Look at this cardboard cutouts of the man, balloons everywhere, a ring
set up in the middle of this hotel ballroom. My god, look at
that aster. Yeah, I know, pushing merch. Oh, they even
have the inflatable sand bottom punching bags. That I used to have. There's
music, there's food, there's spirits, the Hodge, there's a Leroy Naman
picture paintings going on here. Paul, he looking like a bitch. Yeah,
he always looks like idiot. He always looks like he's slinging fried dough,
doesn't he That's what you'd rather be doing that anyway, rockyest me.
We know who pro Wrestling's version is of this cat, Yes, wreck Rocky
is Leon Vader White. Mickey says, this is a bullshit area to work
out. I feel I feel like maybe was Burgess. Meredith is a mom
who had the double four steps in her fucking pussy because it's all in the
place half his face, you know. So here's the contrast, right,
Rocky is hitting the bag ceremonial, Die fucking die, worthless idiot, you
found the Rambow headband. Oh sweaty a blonder on the cheek, Tya Shire
like, fuck you bitch. She doesn't love that look at this. Mickey's
telling Rocky's gonna kill him. And so what we're doing is we're juxtaposing shots
of Rocky having this, you know, kind of performative training session in a
fancy hotel ballroom with club or lang alone, just killing his abs with sit
ups, hitting the bag as hard as he can, and Rocky is literally
dancing bubbles in the air Italian stallion right like you said, this is like,
you know, this reminds me of kind of the restumating a twelve build.
Yes, it's also very reminiscent of Rocky Brock at SummerSlam two thousand and
two. Yeah, you're right, yep, that kind of sports. You
put the training footage side by side and draw inferences about what their respective strengths
will be from their training regiments. Rocky being running the lake and pulling Mickey
behind him on the bicycle hockey. Yeah, feeling strong. Look at him,
that's stallone ejaculating you do. That was well coming. Right, So,
now the the crowd has left the ballroom and Rocky's putting in that real
work catch pneumonia. Why is it not heated in there? Must not be.
Oh, he's got two point nine percent body fat, so he's probably
just fucking freezing. You know, as I look at Rocky's color scheme on
his outfit, there is his tights. Ho can kind of wore those colors
in the AWA black and yellow yeah, when I think about it. Yeah,
so he and literally the other guys wearing red, the red hung yellow.
He just ran with this whole movie all the way to the bank.
He really did. Oh totally, this is it man, This is the
spark, like you said, of the whole thing, and yeah, oh,
without a doubt, without a doubt, we're Beckon and Milt here.
I don't know, it's just San Jose. This the cow Palace. You're
Rangy Rangel. You're in the best name of your career. You always hard
hitting questions from Yeah, well that's what kind of camera is that? Mm
hmm. I want to be alone. They have cornered Clever Lang in the
middle in some part of the building to let him not be photographed. He's
like, I want to be alone, and you keep cornering him. They
keep sucking, going closer and closer, and it's like, you're gonna die.
This guy's gonna kill all of you. How about giving him an actual
fucking locker room instead of putting him in him with lockers, right, which
is a big difference. There is there's Apollo. He was himself. Yeah,
he was in our last out of the cinemat too. Remember Dieard.
What I call the guy Carl Weathers? Yeah, no, he'll be in
a couple of future ones. I'll tell you that. But what was the
guy's name? From Family Matters? Reginald Phil Johnson? A couple of Carl
Weathers, Carl winslow car awesome, of course, Carl Weather's greatest performance did
you ask me? Is an arrested development? Have you seen it? I
know what you're talking about. Oh my god, he's so fucking great.
He talks about eating a burger king and you can get free refills. I
told you it's about food. It's my food. So clubver Lang confronting Rocky
in the hallway. You washed up. I'm the best, all the best
in the world. Paper champion. Wow, the entourages are about to come
to blows. Here, come on, ref get in there, State patrol.
Jesus, he's throwing copsh goes Mickey, Mickey taking the bump. Come
on, God buck me instead of a bench. Yeah, well, here
comes a heart attack. It's like Tim Sheridan. That's what TV is gonna
look like when he's eighty. Yeah. Adrian beside herself and her fur coat,
she's living the life. She loves it. Oh yeah, you know,
you know, damn well, like you know, she talks about it
later, but you know, damn fucking well, she would be a miserable
little wench if he if she didn't have that money coming in. You know
it. Come on, I didn't sacrifice. He's all of this just to
give it away. Rocky, You're not the only one making a sacrifice here.
No, Mickey's does not look well. He is clammy. He is
say you say, he's like, I'm a juice not well, Jesus Christ,
look at him. This is kind of like I think of a wrestling
angle where like the old guy, Well, it's kind of like it's kind
of like Gordon Solely and Morocco and Piper and whatever. God the movie that
spawned a million angles promos ideas of like promotional confrontations. It's all here,
the raw material. Look at this raw ross speech for Ricky get out there
and do it. He will be a bit did he? I don't think
he won. Take a look look here when crowds channing Rocky. Yep,
Mickey gives one last get out there and do it speech. He's Rocky.
Uh god. He was born in nineteen o seven. Rocky with one last
entreaty to Adrian to take care of his beloved trainer, and he lays eyes
on him, perhaps for the final time, as he makes his way to
the ring and clubver Lang and Rocky Balboa now in the ring for me.
He was even nominated for the Original Rocky renouncer introducing Apollo Creed to the live
audience here refusing to shake the hand. No has been That's right, Apollo
Creed is a bitch. That's right right in his face. What do you
can do about it? Reginald Johnson's awful m m The south Side Slugger.
Yeah, he was nominated. He was nominated for the Original One. Best
Supporting Actor. He was nominated. Sloan Talia Shire. Bert Young even nominated
for Best Supporting Actor. Look at that, oh your favorite? Look at
that? Well you're still a bitch then, so fuck it. He still
looks like a guy who drives his mother to or doctor's appointments every Tuesday and
takes it and and takes a little payday from her. Yeah, yeah right,
yep. Mom's got to come out of pocket for the drive through lunch
on the way back, is it. Jimmy Lennon on the ring announcing.
No, I'm not sure that ring announcer. Definitely still the trainer here for
Yeah, there he is. Now that is that's Jimmy Lennon Senior. I
think let me see, is that Jimmy Lennon. I don't know that's what
you're talking about? Famous ring announcer and boxing. You can't be that famous.
Don't know what is senor? Yeah? That is him? Here we
go. Marty Dankin presiding that come to center. Are sure it's not Buddy
Hackett? Who the referee? I'm not sure. Actually, we'll see if
Rocky Balboa can hack it here against mm hmm medicine Cluver Lang. Curiously,
he did hack it with thunder lips earlier on Clubver just referenced meat again.
He's hungry, after all. It's not forget that Jack? Is that Jack
Lemon as well? In Rocky's corner, Jack Lemon and Mathow together an odd
couple here. That's the problem. That's why he loses. Well, they
are wearing yellow clubber looks ready, he's bouncing on the Bob Coble on commentary
to Jesus Christ, Jesus Rocky comes out swinging indiscriminately he's head hunting here.
He's here. He wants to beat Tim down. This like ruins boxing in
so many ways. To think that punches make this sound when they land,
well also to think that punches is fucking like. Nobody fights like this in
box. Nobody. There's no defense their their necks are being turned around with
every shot. God, put your hands out. The whiplash here is.
There's no hesitation. There's no pausing, right, not at all. No
dancing is no punches, oh clupp Langs coming from downtown with those, there's
no discipline there. He's taking them back to the south Side Price and they're
real in mind went boxing, yep, real fucking haymakers. And look at
that Jesus Christ. He's looked like and it's letting him hit him like put
your hands up, pal, He doesn't know where he is. One oh
bell sounds mercifully as Lang lands one more stiff left hook and uh, PAULA
Creed looks nonplussed. I'll tell you, Paul, because you know why he's
embarrassed. I lost right. That's it, man, when somebody beats you
for the rest of your life, you root for that person, so you
look okay By comparison. He's too strong. You don't smoke him. I
can't get him off a panic Rocky Balboa breathlessly telling his corner he can't do
it. Well, do they care enough to keep him alive? Mickey?
No, they give up on him. Yeah, I say that, just
as we see the vitals bug get out here, call them morgue. Is
there symbolism and his trainer dying as he's getting killed in the ring. Ah,
yes, there is actually thank you especially later too. Is that Hogan's
hat? I thought I saw some pink feathers. I thought one surprised me
if he was a vip here. I mean they did raise seventy five grand
together. Oh Jesus, And now it's the right hooks of club are lagging,
loading them up, where as the hands. What are you guys doing?
Why is punches just letting him take him out? First of all,
they would have stopped this fight, oh four hundred punches ago, but no
standing out. Count Jesus Christ, it's kind of ridiculous. Put your hands
up, look at him sitting duck and they paused. Oh, here we
go, laying loads up in slow mo and bang the left hook kills Balboa
he goes down like a like a video game character. Yep, Rocky came
out so confident, didn't he, boss Uh letting those hands fly. Rocky
Balboa came out so confident in the beginning, like there is going to be
another walk in the park. Now he's realizing how favorably he's been match made,
how much of a bitch he really is. And as the ten count
expires, so does Mickey. That's right, Mickey expires along with Rocky's championship
reign. It's all coming crashing down. It's gonna hurt inside. Rocket doesn't
know where he is. He's still fighting. I don't know where he is
for that matter, I don't know where they shot this. Jimmy Lennon Senior
with the announcement the new heavyweight Champion of the World clubber Lang And yeah,
it just went down real quick for one Rocky Balboa. Phil Apollo Creed here
not very Xavier Woods of the New Day. His original ring name in TNA
was Consequences Creed. Was it really? Yeah? It was? Uh,
It's funny because stallone was, of course, the executive produced the Contenders.
Reality is very true, great themes, much like I pointed out they found
themselves having to in post production add sound effects of Punch's landing for the actual
fights that they put the reality show. They really, yes, they did,
and they edited the fights heavily to speed them up and just like hone
in on the moments of exchange that resembled the movie. Well that I understand.
Yeah, I guess you know, this movie, this movie very much
settled burned into the public imagination what it was that a boxing fight looked like
all of them. I mean they all you know, that's it said.
Everyone wanted boxing fights to be rocky movies. And right, you know,
like you can't do it. That's why we have wrestling, because you can
do it exactly rock. In Mickey's bedside, he is laboring just to breathe
here tears streaming down his face. I think he knows this is the end,
boss. Maybe it might just be taking a nap. Actually call off
the corner. I remember watching this when I saw this the first time,
being very surprised that that Mickey dies, you know dies. Yeah, you
know, I didn't really know. And this early in the movie, I
mean, we're halfway through, but you know, it does move. This
move movie moves briskly. I remember a lot more distance between the Hogan and
clubb Lang fight than that, And I mean that's the thing too, like
it moves very briskly, unlike the second one, which moves at just the
sow's past possible. Right, they packed two movies out of this one.
They really did. Again. They should have built they should have had a
Hogan thing, I mean, honestly, so, yeah, he has lost
Mickey. He's like Jesus Christ, I said, I needed a corner,
not a corner, Jesus wailing and agony on the chest of his fallen It's
a sad day in the Balboa community as he loses his world heavyweight title and
his beloved trainer all in the same evening. Kind of a rough night.
I'll say, I want to get the Suicide watch ready. The Morg is
the Morg, It's the well, it's a it's a what do you call
it? You know, one of those places in the cemetery where you get
a lot of bodies what do you call it? Mausoleum, mausoleum, thank
you, also known as that place in the cemetery where we got a lot
of bodies, including Jesse Ventura, who I see there. That's the place
in the cemetery where you got a lot of bodies. Don't you worry what
I got Jesse the body right here, notus. What do you think about
Mickey's character was Jewish? Yes, they there was a reason they did that
because everyone kind of thought he was Irish, because you know Mickey, but
they they made him Jewish because, uh, what do you say, Mickey
gold Mill? Gold Mill, August fifteenth, nineteen eighty one. Is what
we're supposed to think this day is Stallone said that he did it because there
were a lot of there were a lot of Jewish boxing managers who were not
RECOGNI nice because they were Jewish, and so he wanted to do that to
honor them. That's a little interesting. Yeah, would we call Mickey his
manager or trainer? That's a trainer whatever, whatever you call it. Either
way, whatever Mickey is, there are a lot of Jewish people. He's
like a stand in for the unappreciated versions of them in reality. That's interesting
that I did not That's a detail I did not recall. Yeah, so
August eighty one, I mean, this is this is Hogan's starting up with
a w a the under lips is moving on and the bigger and better things.
The question is, is Rocky Balboa is he moving on? There's the
there's your stupid statue. I know when I lose someone close to me,
I get on my motorcycle and drive to my statue. Yeah, so I
did when my grandmother died. He got on my motorcycle and drove to my
statue. No, he doesn't even go to Mickey's statue. And I know
that they're isn't one, But that's that's kind of the point, eh man.
They must feel the gans in that city there putting that thing up.
They must feel like fucking chumps. They put that thing up, and he
loses the title in two rounds. Oh shit, right, what a fucking
dick. That's when the editorial start about like misuse of public funds. Then
they start talking about fucking Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick. Shit, no wonder
there was controversy in the city about putting the statue back. I mean,
oh, you know, he's a loser, he's a bad omen. What
the fuck we go? I don't want that thing on my heart art museum?
What the fuck are we doing that for art? It's commercial bullshit,
that's right. But commercialism is art. It's post modern art. Yeah,
didn't you hear me? Just read about Venturi or whatever? Ventura. That's
right, I'm a postmodern artist. I don't think you knew that. But
I do like my good every now and again. I do like a good
dose of postmodernism in my coffee. Look at this Rocky in a forlorn state.
He's made his way over to the original Mickey's trading gym, and yeah,
maybe if he's trained there for the fight, he would have won.
Oh uh, oh so Apaulo Creed just hangs out in Mickey's gym in the
dark. He doesn't Mickey, he doesn't miss hangs out there in his fucking
white overcoat. Of course. He just indicated that he actually went to Rocky's
house and Arion said she hadn't seen him in an hour, so I knew
you'd be here for a day. It's kind of like the version, this
movie's version of uh Kevin's mom finding him at the Christmas tree. He knows
where he'd be right right exactly. Mm hmm. Let me let me tell
you what if you lost your world title, what would you be doing right
now? Probably the same thing you're doing Rocky. So he's going to counsel
Rocky through this loser. Yeah, funk that he's going to be in now
what oh why? This is a good job in this movie. Sure does
an inspired performance. I like it. I don't like Carwe's that much,
but I do like him in this onetor yeah, coming soon too, under
the Cinematon third body in that one. That's right. I am in the
Arnold Schwarzenegger motion picture Predator. I play a Amanda And what I'm gonna do
there is I'm gonna kick some ash out of an alien. And that's that
is how he says alien. It's part of his you could say body of
work. Jesse Vittura raw Ross speech here from Carl weathers, I are the
tiger man. You know what we should do instead of that, you know,
instead of doing the box and there, maybe you know I should write
a song? Well, I am a tiger. Do you think? Well
do you think of Paulo write a song? I'm going to go back in
this dark corner for an hour and a half like my dark corner. CLUBB
CLUBB CLUBB. You're being interviewed on television there, clever and daddy fuck it?
Yeah, exactly clever and Lane. It is clevering time, you know.
It's sitting there like this is this is fucking weird. This is Hogan
watching Zeus and no holds Bard totally. Yeah, they took this. It's
fucking Vern watching tape, watching film and the Wrestler. Oh god, fuck,
don't even get me started. So it's just so weird that they're all
sitting so close to each other on the couch, like the shoulder and shoulder
here. It's true. I can't be beat. I won't beat just the
camera, mister t What a fucking he should have gotten not many for an
oscar for this fucking role, easily. Yeah, it's a first time actor,
did uh Paully he was in The Wrestler too. He looks like some
guy that worked in the office or something, doesn't it look like Alos like
the love child of Vern and Uh and Uh and lou Grant there and as
God classic ship. Mhmm, what do you mean, what do you want?
We do? Give you a hand job? Paul? What a favorite
sexual favor? Mm? The Golden Daddy, the fucking so gaudy Gordon Gecko's
House, Jesus way too for Gordon Gecko. This is eighties opulence, you
know, that's what we're seeing here, Like, Daddy, why do I
have to wear a suit every day? Daddy? How come I'm raised by
other people? Why do you wear a three piece suit every fucking day?
Dad? Why do you wear a three pce suit? To dad? Are
you? John Cena? This is no ship that so sad that he's hanging
on to this era? This is this is Flair to in the eighties,
you know, yeah, totally like everything Rocky is in this movie, you
know, with all the fame and fortune, it's all the trappings that are
Rick Flair is trying to copy. And that's your son. What a fucking
loser, that's your fucking son with those dorky Sary Sarah Sally Jesse, Raphael
fucking a. Here's a reference for that ass. On Maple Avenue in Philly.
We hit a. I think we're in l A. However we're in
la Yeah, in l a uhaul. I don't know where Maple is,
but oh, that's definitely an l A bum. Mickey Roach's place, huh
at uh Freddie Roach's place. Geez, a taxi's got a bad wheel.
Thanks for that. Paulie for setting the scene. You know, why don't
you say that when you got the tickets, you fly all the way out
there. You flew out there. You're fucking what thought were doing in la
when he got what he got in the cab at l a X. You
thought they were taking them to Portland about a ten hour drive. Oh,
yes, racist is coming out soon. Yeah, I know what they're doing.
They go to the Olympic to see Hulk wrestle. Yeah, is that
Hogan right there? You know he's blonde, he's going a mustache. I
love how his wife comes with him and leaves the child behind. I was
like, what is she doing there? Like like way way to make the
feel the kid feel loved. I thought you weren't supposed to fucking training camp,
by the way. Huh. I thought you weren't supposed to have sex
in training camp. By the way. The last thing you want to bring
along is your wife. In terms of temptation, Oh man, he's entering
a sweat box full of killers here. Apollo Creed has found him some training
partners extraordinaiy fucking fucking Ooh, She's gonna don't miss the message here. Rocky
has to train with black men to de feed a black man. That's right,
you know what I mean? Menacing looking motherfuckers. Oh this is Apollo
creep stopping ground started. He started boxing, so I saw he's in l
a man. I didn't realize that. M hm, tremendous. I have
a tiger. Everyone's looking to kill. They're looking at him, and are
they ever glistening the tiger? Get in there, stallone, I see what
you got, and he continued, Paulie comes in no class in here.
What a dumb ass. Fuck you dude, He's a fucking so annoying.
He's worthless top. Why are you bringing him again? That's nothing. The
toxic hanger on her. Oh they're in every boxing camp. Every boxing camp
has one the guy that somehow, like you said, you nailed it,
that has this little bit of like psychological leverage on the superstar and everyone else
in the entourage knows he's toxic, but but the big boss says he's got
to be around. I remember Pacquiao had a guy like that. He had
a big fight with Freddy Roach over it because no matter what Freddy did,
this guy always had Pacia's ear and he didn't know anything about anything. He
was just some guy that somehow won Pakia's trust alone. Yeah, I know
what I Nobody really needs to channel his mentality. They create these jobs for
themselves within the camp. I don't like these people, says Pauli on the
nose, says Rocky. They probably don't. Not a lot to like.
They're excited to see the chance former champ. Come on, well, he's
a champ, always a champ. It's like an honorary title, like president
Leaky pipes and everything. Jesus Christ, he's really rough, Jesus on the
toes. You need to get hell. They're in LA. They need to
call Jean LeBell. Get him in here, show him some hip locks and
stall a bell lock. Let's go all the way. Of course, this
a glimpse of what would be a long and pathetic tradition of Hollywood celebrities like
Mark Wahlberg pretending they box too, going to boxing gyms, and the rougher
parts of still feel like men, local bitches, like the guy in the
Fighter there who my dad went to high school with. Oh no, the
Fighter, Yes, uh, the Fighter talking about Mickey h Mark Wahlberg,
Yeah, but he plays Oh my god, Mickey Ward Yeah, but the
the the guy who trains him, the local guy who was a real lowell
guy. My dad knows him. He hates him. I don't think I
knew that awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome rocks women like an old lady
here. Yeah, I mean, jesus, I know he's roughing it in
the actual fighting gym, but does he really have to take them to a
wreck pool in nineteen twenty eight, I expect the women to be wearing those
bits and swim caps. Yeah, Teddy Roosevelt in office? What the fuck
is this? Like that they're staying in Like I like that that that just
because that they're in that they're not there working in a crappy area. They
have to stay in a crappy area like right, why couldn't they stay at
the Ritz? Right? There's like he still has money. Yeah, you've
always make the most That's why the boxers always hang on too long as you
make the most money as your ability is waning. Right, and well,
I mean also he's got fucking merchandising money coming in. I'm sure he's got
residuals from from stuff like that. Like, you know, they could stay
at a hotel like a real hotel instead it is I guess maybe on top
of the fucking club there, or they are like, yeah, just anywhere
and like a motor roadside motel might be better. Honestly, they're watching film.
Yeah, you know what the problem is, uh, Apollo. He's
standing there with his hands by his hips, letting clever Lang hit him in
the face over Maybe he should block it. Like she's all happy, like
we never have that. She doesn't mind this fucking god damn, he just
wants him to fuck her. Come on, stop thinking about boxing and box
me take care of my box. She's such a good spirit. She just
said there are worst places, which I'm not so sure about. Actually I'm
not so sure either. I mean they went over the top of dress Polly's
house, probably worse, lace potato chip bags everywhere. Oh, I'll tell
you, I'll never forget. I moved a friend of mine. I moved
a friend of mine from his from his apartment in l A. And I
there and there were like two dozen pizza boxes piled up on each other.
Wow. I just stared at him and I said, look, I'll do
this for you one time, but I am never coming to any of your
apartments. Ever again. I never did tremendous. He always came to my
house. I never went. I said I'm not going in. I will
never do it. I will keep my word and never never step foot in
another apartment that you have. I love it and I haven't to this day.
This is UH. A few generations before the UH, the bluetooth speakers
would blast music to the whole gymneys. You have your fucking boombox. Yeah,
Paulie is literally holding a boombox, apologies and creaming them and well,
they're all looking at each other as they trained Balboa like this guy is not
He's not the real deal. No, it's kind of awkward because it's like
the guy there giving the stink eye is the guy that beat that ass two
movies ago. You know, it's like you put him down, and you're
putting down the guy who's screaming at him. Even more so, no,
putting a chap out right left cross, You've got to move exactly how the
fuck did he become world champion without moving his head? Well, he boxed
fucking cow carcass Jesus Christ in the butcher shop. He's hooking, Yeah he
is. It was Attitude is ripped totally. Is there is no tomorrow?
He screams at Rocky, Oh that one got to him. He's looking in
the mirror now he's wondering who he's become. I always become. You ever
been of that beach? Yeah, Santa Moncacy, Oh yeah, Santa Marcha
Pi right there? Yeah, been there when I have fucking the marathon,
I ran I fucking nice. I've been there too, I think to become
there together maybe probably, Yeah, that's where marathon I ran up and down
the beach just like this. Just well, no way, no, no
fucking way. Look at Stallone's head. Idiots, Noddy's because he's running so
slow. Look at him. Come on. They slowed it down for cinematic
effect. I believe it's like it's like rock The key is not to have
more heart. The key is to not let him hit in the face like
that, right, like he thinks he's gonna win the fight by just like
if that. That's one like horrible thing this movie drives home is the idea
that, like, the only reason you lose when you get punched in the
face over and over again is because you don't will yourself to shake off the
pain. Right, he should have just fucking gotten up. That's the thing,
you know. Not that to do with his defense. His strategy is
fucking ploy He's he just needed more heart, He had more heart, he
would have done it. No, No, what looks like flashbacks to the
fight just stopped him dead in his tracks. He gave out, he gave
up. What is there like an army invasion happening? What the fuck is
out there? I think that looks like that's Clever Lang's naval fleet breaching the
perimeter here. Paul Creed has called it. It's all over, He says,
Yep, it's clear that Rocky doesn't have it. Hogan's over in this
movie. But yeah, yeah, he's the one guy that comes on us
all over Rose. He was the canary in the coal mine. The way
he was able to take it to uh Balboa, that should have been assigned
everybody, But because it was a pro wrestler, no one took it seriously.
No, it's what he did isn't serious. That's right, fraud.
It's fixed body slamming pretend fighters. Why don't you put the herding on a
real fighter, Rocky? Wow, now she just walked over man. That
music. Yeah, that's of a particular time, isn't it, Bill Contey,
Ladies and gentlemen, Oh is that Bill on the track? CONTI Yeah
he is the Is he well known? Uh? Yeah. He did a
lot of TV work, a lot of composed a lot of TV themes.
But I would say his most known work is the Rocky movies and the Rocky
theme and that's big. Yeah. It's enough to hang your hat on for
a car, absolutely, I mean, god, lucky to get one.
You know, you're likey to get anything, let alone fucking Rocky War to
be over. Yeah, that'd be nice, Jess Terry Bill Conty is god
he did. He did Rocky when he was thirty six? Look that good
for him? Is that old or young? Young? Yeah? The fucking
yeah, that's true. Most composers have white hair, don't they. Yeah?
I mean now he does. But like to be to be doing that
when you're He's in a lot of stuff. Good for him, the right
stuff. You want to oscar for the right stuff? Mmm? Some angle
to hold onto the title longer than I should have had it and Ale Yeah
right. You know they don't have Philly accents at all. No, they
have just straight Bronxe accent. Absolutely, they're totally New York loser. Really,
a fucking loser. Nothing fucking real. That's what thunder Lips told me.
None of it's real, he said, nothing is real unless you believe
in who you are. She's not putting you through anything, dude. You're
doing this, helping you and going with you to LA for no reason.
Like she's not taking care of her kid because he's with you. Why is
he screaming at her? He's scared? We got money, money, any
money? Oh? I see he's afraid. Mm hmm. You're the only
You're not the only bitch that's afraid. Rocket, Your wife's afraid. Your
kid's afraid because he doesn't know what the fuck's going on in those glasses.
I'll tell you his kid's afraid because his dad's a fraud. That's what it
is. It's like, why don't I tell my friends? Right? Not
only is he like a fucking loser champion, but he also fought a fake
fight with that fucking fake wrestler loser champion. That's a tough one to come
back from. I'm a loser champion, So if even if I do win
the belt back, there's a there's a moniker that still fits you oper a
phrase pink loser, not champion, Dad. I'm gonna take away champion out
of your nickname. Just loser. Don't you know Rocky haven't needed a champion.
Heaven need it a stamion, I'll say that's why he took you.
Any truth to the rumor that if they couldn't come to terms with Slye,
that Crockett Jopp or the Italian Stallion would have gotten the call. I believe
that was the case. There was a there was a time when they when
they when when they were when they were talking about doing Rocky four, he
was like, I don't I don't want to do it. I don't want
to do it. Well, we'll fucking rock We'll just get this guy,
this guy here, we'll do it for free, because he's a fucking loser
down and down in some other fucking terror Charlotte. And I want to sit
here and I want to smoke my cigar and tell you Stallone that you're a
bitch and I don't give a shit you either do with this fucking movie.
And I want to make somebody else a big fucking star. Is Rocky all
right? Your fucking asshole. The Italian stallion. No, that's a real
large Italian, that's right. I mean, any Italian stallion at a fucking
sandwich shop is going to do you in big heart to heart. Here between
Adrian and Rocky hit the music. Glad she wore pink lipstick out to the
fucking beach for the training. I thinkographers happy about it as well. I
don't think so too. Oh God, his lips are so perverted. That
was That was an uninspired little smooch there. I think I wonder if they
keep in touch when they get five movies together. Yeah, that's all you
Now, he's got the He's ready music is the music's hit. We're in
a polo shirt. Now you put the the towel. Towel, yeah,
to catch the sweat? Yeah, I should probably. You know how fast
I go through one of those towels, like two seconds literally go through it?
Yeah yeah, literally. Now he's actually paying attention to what were you
doing? What are you doing that, Paula? You turn come from around.
We're doing push. Feeling strong now, feeling feeling strong now gonna fly
now right, I'm feeling strong now I'm going up all right, let me
get the fucking lyrics, please, please do Rocky. Rocky movies are fucking
king of the the not the highlight reel. What's the word I'm looking for
the montage? Oh for sure. I mean put you right were you need
to be in effish and order. Pretty sweet. Nike kicks too on Rocky.
Trying hard now, Yes, it's so hard now, trying hard now.
Oh he's ready, gonna make a move. Yeah. Oh he's ready
and making moves. Yeah yeah, getting strong now, won't be long now,
getting strong now, gonna fly now, flying high now, gonna fly
fly very nice, go Rocky. Push on that beach. He's firing.
He's actually catching up to Apollo Creed now even Apollo Creeds, Like, motherfucker,
you gonna beat me. Just not Father Karras running from a extorcist.
I'm sure it looks like him, Sead movement. We need what's his name,
Jason Miller. Yeah, he was a boxer. Oh, look at
him, pull away. Look he's coming in. He's gonna do it strong.
Look at that footwork. That's it. He's dancing, man. I
love that he's fucking dancing. The laughter winning. Yeah, I have a
tiger. I love that. After winning the heavyweight title of the world.
He discovers head movement after winning the heavyweight title of the world. Discovers head.
Oh, Paul, bitch all we let's get those snides. Look at
that, Look at the muscles, look at the look at the look at
the quads, Bobby eighties striped socks. Right, oh god, fucking knee
highs. Yes, yeah, those will be coming back any day. Now.
Look at him. God, he pulls ahead. Go keep nodding,
keep nodding, prevent me from nodding off. Yeah, and they're gonna make
out now they're splashing in the water, like seriously, just get it on.
And this is this is where Apollo Creeds whispers in his ear. I
let you beat me. You're really a bitch, rocket rock, You're still
a loser. And then whatever, that's it. No, nope, we
gonna we're back. But we're back. We're in the world's most famous arena.
This uh is spectacular in the world's most famous arena. Brought to you
by Jess McMahon Promotions. I'm sorry, that is not Yeah, here we
go. Don't run any strategy, He's stupid. Promoter text work hard,
presenting this night of Championship Boxing. He just hit her, let't hit you
again. That's where he started. I pity the fool that is this is
where he started. I mean, it's not where he started. I think
he was doing it before, but he used in the movie and became famous.
Got it he was using in his real life. I think so you
always he's the fool, is what he said. It's it's religious something like
that. I forget. Sit in an interview something ringside uh. Commentators weighing
the odds, saying they're quite long for Bellbo to reclaim the title tonight.
Yeah, prediction, Yes, prediction. Clubber looks to the camera. What
a pain, he's a This was meant to be, this whole thing that's
happening right now on Patreon. Mm hmm yeh, there we go. Imagine
the how fucking horrifying that must be. If you're a boxer and someone opens
your locker room door and says it's time to funk out. I don't want
to think about it, like it's time to get punched in the face.
I don't care how ready you think you are. That's gotta be fucking horror.
I don't want it. That's the thing I don't know. I could
never. Oh there is like because because you have to, you have to
build up your confidence so much that you think you're gonna beat somebody. But
like I just I don't know. It's confidence that's so easily shaked. Oh
I know, like one person could say what are you doing? And it's
like, yeah, I know what am I doing? Oh I could.
That's why I could never be a fighter. I could have never been a
fighter. It cracks me up. Like when I talk to people in casual
life about being a huge fight fan, like you ever trained, I'm like,
no, what? Like, no fan? Fight? He missed when
I said fan, not fight? This isn't This isn't a fantasy of mine.
This is an interest of mine. This is I don't know, although
I can't. A guy I know from junior high. He he's I don't
know if he's I don't know if he still fights not, but he definitely
trained to be. I think you saw him or something something like that.
Fuck's his name? I think you saw him one time, or or you
went to a a fight, you covered a fight up in Maine that he
was at, or something like that. Oh, really, I feel like
that happened yeah, I'm drawing a blank where there's the iron Man from Philadelphia.
Rocky Balboa has entered the ring. Yeah, this is not Madison Square
Card New Way. I wonder where they shot this, I don't know,
probably the Spectrum. Yeah, this song broadcast on Prism. Yeah right,
there comes Clever Lang. Oh yeah, uh. C J. Hobbes,
d J. J. Hobbs. Listen that James Cohn plus Walter hab Walter
Hobbs. I mean, he definitely never fought like crazy things like like like
yeah, yeah, small stuff. Fascinating that uh miscalculation the tea is calling
uh Apollo boy. Yeah, yeah, very true. Huh considering the sensitivity
in real life that mister T had to that term, is that a No,
it's not. There was a big miscue on the neckline shaved there from
old mister T. Yeah, he kept the the line of his beard down
around the Adams Apple, but he he uh clopped off a fair amount of
hair in between there. There. He's got he's got interesting designs, well,
he's got Yeah, he's got bigger things to worry about. There was.
You know, the reason why he got the mohawk cut is because at
some point he was trying to get teas put in his hair, but they
look stupid. Oh really, and so he just shaved the sides of his
head. That's fascinating Rocky Balboa. Everyone loves the white Italian stallion. What
do they think of Clever Lang going with the apollo creed American flag tights.
Here's Rocky Balboa. I think is that is that Rocky on there on his
entourages or is that the Japanese snack pockey? I think Pocky looks like both
boom wearing the title they boo, they boo the black man kind of going.
They cheer, but they cheer the the man cornered by the black Man.
Yes, they come to center. Look at that fucking face off.
Now, imagine like you look at like there's like what like less than an
inch between their noses. Imagine looking at me like that right with it,
And that's how close they are. Isn't an amazing how in film it never
looks like they're that close. Yeah they are, that's right up in their
ship. Wow, Like, how do you like you think about the beating
he took in the first fight and now you're gonna fight that fucking guy again.
But now he's now, he's now, he's gotting Apollo though. He's
training like movement. He's been in the in the in the dirty. I've
been training in l A. That's right where they know how to fight.
It's right like Philly with that. All sounds runned away. Rematch comes out
just like last time, and less than zero defense from cluver Lang once again,
clubb Aer doing just letting get up. Jesus Christ. It's like Mike
Tyson sponge out. It's like the Wii boxing. Yeah, he has like
hit him with three straight jabs and clever Lang did nothing right, gross left
gross, nothing being offered in response from clever Lang. Here his hads like
a pez dispenser out there. Boss, absolutely just landing a steady diet of
jabs. Here is Balboa. They could have gotten away without doing the sound
effects. It's kind of funny, you know what I mean? Yeah,
the braver of Wooden crate sounds. You know what it is is that announcer
guy. He's got to stuck down. Can I do some folly work for
you, mister saloon, I'm gonna do it anyway, not laying pulling forward.
Look at that now he's fucking doing defensive work masters. Yeah, the
head movements there, nice fade there, he's firing forward the one two's.
Look at Balboa coming with a straight left. He's My goodness, look at
that great combinations. All clutter Lang's got is right and left hooks from Downtown,
much more varied punch. I mean that thing, Rocky. It's a
different a different fighter than he was. Oh, clearly they did a great
job of like making that happen. Clubver Lank beside himself and how wants the
fool? Yep, from what I understand, he pities the fool. I'm
being told he pities the fool ladies and gentlemen. He wants to kill the
fool. M Water being administered, That's what the guy never got in fighting.
Yeah, what squirting water in the guy's mouth between rounds and he spits
it out. It's like, well, you want to have that water in
your body? You want to like Yeah, I mean like I think about
the times when I've had too much water and the water sits the wrong way,
ruin your whole fight. But at least you get your mouth wet,
get the spit moving. I mean, I know nothing about boxing. That
was all no No, that's that's that's suggesting. Sure. Oh look at
that steady right jab from about and and and and and fucking tea just taking
it absolutely hammorhage. It goes to town. He's here to fucking take Rocky
Balboa apart. I said Balboa should train with Jean Label. It appears that
mister t did just that. That's a judo hip throw het he pulled to
see an wait on what a judica is, mister t. Oh, he's
about to adjudicate this heavy right landing flashbacks. These are like fucking Vader potatoes
Atrian. I know, Ada, ada, ada, who's the old man
fucking next there? Not worried? Why aren't you sitting in a box?
Oh? Rocky Gett knocked all around the ring. He's out and look at
him, falls down like an accordion. He took a huge bump. Bumps
hard five. Think you think Terry taught him that bump? I think so,
brother. What you want you do is you want to go inside out
like an accordion. Brother? Oh, someone at home falls? Oh it's
how fast that one Actually from the ninety two rumble actually would have been Pat
Tanaka. Actually, I take it back Balboa goes down again, the hungry
clever Lang closing in again with those massive left hooks to the temple. Even
Adrian can't watch anymore. Oh, ain't so bad. Look at fucking Rocky
trash talking. You're not in it, big face off between rounds, Adrian
probably flashing back to the beach where he said, I'm scared. Yeah.
She ended up putting them on the track to get back in the ring.
She could die, he could die. It's my fault. God incredible.
Here we get some, we get some. Yeah, I won't say we
get, we get he said he. Rocky says that Clubber is tired.
Get some rumble in the jungle. Inspiration here by dope, by rock I
have the Ti the Tiger. You understand, rock Time for some rope a
dope. He is tired, the lactic acid filling up in those huge muscles
of one, mister t Clubber Lang is Round three is underway. Rope Yeah,
i'd say, is Myron keep talking? Club Who you try to convince
Rocky or yourself? Right? That's the that's the deep. We look so
fun. It looks like it looks like Gilbert godfreed in that he's missing and
Nothing is more exhausting than missing punches. Oh man, Now he's clipping Rocky
big time in the corner. Come on, body shot puts him against the
ropes. Another left to the body. Man, clever Lang attacking the body
viciously. Here hands up defense rot this tapping his forehead. Those punches must
be losing their sting. Knock me out, so he does. Lang explodes
to the body with a right hook. Man, he is he hitting them
with nuclear warheads or punches, or animals or dinosaurs. It's like the eighteen
twelve overture out here. Jesus is clever letging laying him in. This fight
would have been stopped in any jurisdiction you can imagine, No, not unless
the gunshine. New York State Athletic commissions for the chorus. Here Jerry Cooney
falling asleep on the job. Here referees you know, discretion, Yeah,
sure that's true. Comes comes Rocky, luring him in. He seems ready
to attack, protecting the body nicely. They had the head protecting and answering.
Look at him. Defense and offense here form Rocky nice avoidance cover Lang
is you can tell he's gassing up here Boom and look he's oh he's lifting
him. Yeah, those spotty shots are literally taking him off his feet and
up top. Here we go, Steady Diet doubling up on the on the
hook and jabs pumping, just him with jabs. Jesus, no fucking person
would be still standing, Steady Diet. Oh my god, eighties, Paul,
like this is this is this is keep my mind. This is the
era when fucking uh guys with machine guns hold it under their fucking arm pits
and shoot and aim and don't miss, you know, so true? Oh
that one landed? Oh fuck on his feet? One more? One more
the left is one more? All day from Boboa South paw bitch, Come
on, take him out left down the pipe, right down, he goes.
That's it. He may have killed the man and they're on their feet
in the garden. I feel bad for his managers and trainers and stuff.
There. That's it and count that's it. That's it. He did it.
Oh look at him, lookt him. He collapses. I conic.
Look at the boxing writers chain smoking calling in results. Oh all right,
make some phone calls. They got the guys with the fucking visors going to
the back out on the gate where's Arnie Scoland with the cash deposit box?
That was over quick? I mean they really, I totally forgot this.
They just get in there and beat the ship out of you. They do.
They really do again again a much more intense fight because unlike the other
the previous two movies, there's no like they would they had a montage,
you know, of the uh of the movies, of the of the fights,
like they would go they went to full fifteen rounds or whatever, where
this one they just didn't. Both fights are are shown in their entirety right
and now they're wearing diapers and come in and after the fight, they're wearing
diapers, Balboa and create conversing Red and Yellow. Keep in mind upon the
trilogy. Yeah, I know, huh, look at this, it's all
here. I like how they're going to have their that they want to have
their rubber match be a fucking exhibition by themselves, not even not even in
front of like an audience. It's a lot of money you're passing up,
guys, at least for charity. I mean, Jesus Christ, have a
heart. Balbo and Creed climbing back in there one more time for an audience
is none turn buckles wrestling ring does. Oh all right, so I think
Creed tot pilebow everything he knows. It's safe to say that Paula Creed taught
Rocky Bilbo everything he knows. He didn't teach him everything he knows. However,
thank you. That one goes back to day one. That's it you've
been saying that day we met, Who's fucking money. That's why I've ever
thought Sean Michael's everything he knows. He didn't teach him everything he knows.
However, so they're really just gonna get in there and beat the shadows each
other. After all, this this is fun. Keep in mind they're gonna
get bloody and whatever, and they're gonna have fun doing this. This is
where I don't understand fighting. A lot of dialogue here. This is like
a thunderdome match, right, Oh yes, it is. It totally is.
We're watching modern w B product right now, right, this is this
is boxing storytelling freeze frame. As soon as they les on each other,
all rival leroy Meathan paints the picture. Wow, well, I think in
many ways still so Leicester Stallone and Terrence Kunkong bo Leya painted a picture for
us here this week. I think that is definitely safe to say, and
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