The Real Witch of Beverly Hills: Carlton Gebbia on Magic, Myths & Halloween

[SPEAKER_00]: You are one of the most interesting characters from the show Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because you had a real story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew that my religion was definitely going to be a topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are a practicing wicket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you explain what a witch is?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the reality of creating spells?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love being scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love scary people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a paralyzing fear of throwing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you soak it in skirt?
[SPEAKER_00]: Destiny, mystery, and craft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So are they like you were when you were a child?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like they have something inside of them?
[SPEAKER_00]: I, 100% know they all do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've all displayed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you date somebody, do they have to be wicking?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot, and this interview with Al asking about your relationship, however, with your former friend, Kyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe this whole thing that she's now a lesbian?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that for a story like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because God knows she was always desperately in need of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: happy Halloween everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Miss understood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Rachel Yucatel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the perfect guest for today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her name is Carlton Gabya.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a British American actress interior designer and television personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Best known for her role on the real housewives of Beverly Hills during its fourth season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Known for her Gothic style, unique personality and spiritual beliefs,
[SPEAKER_00]: Get me a made a memorable impression on the show with her outspoken nature and her connection to Wica, which she practices.
[SPEAKER_00]: This spiritual aspect was a notable storyline on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, where she openly discussed her beliefs setting her apart from other cast members including Kyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beyond reality TV, Gabya has worked in the interior design industry, particularly with high-end homes and has experience in acting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her appearances on Beverly Hills were marked by her assertive personality and occasional complex with cast members, which made her a polarizing figure among fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Since her time on the show, she has remained relatively private, occasionally making headlines for personal developments or insights into her time on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: She joins us tonight on her favorite holiday Halloween to dive into what is misunderstood about some of the things dearest to her, which craft and the spiritual beliefs she holds close.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do also get her thoughts, her most recent thoughts, on Kyle and everything that's been going on with her life, and you do not want to miss that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, sit back, relax, and join my conversation with Carlton Gabya.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a star star star.
[SPEAKER_00]: Carlton, it is such an honor to have you on my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's my pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You sort of popping my cherry, but my best zoom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny because I could not think of a better person to have on my show on Halloween.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you represent all things Halloween for people that are watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can see your background with all your beautiful decor.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to be doing tonight for Halloween?
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, actually I'll take my son trick of cheating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he's dressing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you see?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he
[SPEAKER_02]: being born from the ashes again, sort of a rebirth, and that's what a raven is for me, so that's what I'm wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not gonna go in looking like, you know, a black feather chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it'll be sort of like, whichy feathery fish, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many things that I could talk to you about, but I really want to keep the show to what is misunderstood about who this person is that we have come to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that you are one of the most interesting characters from the show Real House, why is it very real?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because you had a real storyline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even though you were on, was it only one season that you were on?
[SPEAKER_02]: One season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like you're a character who you are so interesting and different that I think a lot of people have a lot of questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it really is my honor to have you here and to ask you all about who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into this stuff about understanding witchcraft and paganism and being a wicked, I do want to ask you though, how how did you get into the realm of the Bravo world?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did you even get cast?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a bravo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, I had a girlfriend of mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was, okay, now keep in mind, this was 13 years ago, which is, honestly, when I think about it, it makes my toes curl, because I can't believe it was that long ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was about 13 years ago and producer girlfriend of mine had said, would I ever consider doing reality TV?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it literally had just started.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't even gaining any kind of momentum.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time I was studying acting,
[SPEAKER_02]: hell no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the kiss of death for any actor to do reality and then she was persistent and then I finally gave in and that sort of how it came about and also you are at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'd been, I was married for 15 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had three young children.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was designing houses, but I felt like I was sort of insulated in this protective bubble of marriage and motherhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of felt like I was losing my identity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that sounds negative, but it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt like I was losing myself a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to have something that
[SPEAKER_02]: was challenging, which it proved to be, and also something of my own.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yes, I'm right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I am curious what your experience was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like being on the show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like the friends you made?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was the experience like for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the experience was kind of two parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were dealing with a network, you dealing with bravo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you were also dealing with a group of women, which I was excited to do a show based upon women, which I did have preconceived ideas that I thought it would be
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had never watched a show because I didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew how editing sort of skews people's perspectives and I just didn't want to have those preconceived notions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so it was two parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I dealt with Bravo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was one experience and then the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't step into like the murky waters of housewives thinking that you're going to control the narrative and if you do think that you do, you realize really, really quickly you have no you have no control.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean by that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you soon see the narrative they wanted to create for you or did you not see it until it was edited and and it was playing back in front of you on TV?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I look, I didn't think that I was a typical housewife.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never profess to be, you know, I don't conform.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very opinionated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, yes, I had money, but it didn't change sort of my identity.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew that my faith or my religion was definitely going to be a topic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was very clear to them that
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have an issue with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what would happen is they would shoot the scenes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would weekly you would get a DVD at the time, and you would watch it on a Sunday night, and you would see exactly what they put together for that week's episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then you would have to write a blog, which by the way, for me was a highlight of doing the show, because you got to sort of verbalize things that you couldn't say, or you didn't have the opportunity to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: edited out, but I, yeah, I mean, look, they, I show like, at Housewives, they definitely want to highlight your worst moments, and usually that would involve alcohol.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I sort of sensed that,
[SPEAKER_02]: a show, a scene was going to be slightly manipulated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very aware of my alcohol intake, and then if I did get messy or anyone else got messy, it was, it was on us because nobody was forced drinking us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you still friends with any of the cast members or people that you've met through that experience?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've moved to my
[SPEAKER_02]: I did say in contact with Brandy for a while and Lisa somewhat, but really probably know, I mean, it's been a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you watch the current seasons, the last couple seasons?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I never watched it before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like, I actually do watch reality TV now, which I hadn't back then because I was a snob, I guess, when it came to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you like watching now?
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Survivor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the shows that are sort of the obstacle course shows surviving the wilderness.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't watched that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you might, you might like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's two people that have to go through the wilderness for 21 days completely naked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, see, I, I, I, that would make no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I, so I guess you won't be doing that if they ask you to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked you to drop out a helicopter.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll do.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could do one of those, you know, how they have on Fox, I think it's like Fox force five or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the on the past of 20 people and I know Dr Drew was on it because he was on my show and he talked about having to jump out of a helicopter, blind folded and going backwards, which sounds terrible to me, but maybe he would like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: My God, I would jump, excuse me, other chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am actually with scheduled, I'm scheduled with my daughter to take her skydiving next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we did it on her 18th, which was her first time, not mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we didn't, again, I just, I love, I've always, I love heights, I love climbing outside buildings, especially what I was younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so tell me about your childhood, Dan, because I wanna hear how you got to be who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you, I read somewhere that your grandparents, your grandmother, was she was a practicing pagan, my saying that's right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, explain what that is and how you grew up in this family and what got you into this sort of witchcraft world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: My grandmother is pagan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was very close with her when I was younger.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I grew up in that environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would see her.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would actually have to hide to watch her do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, she was incredibly psychic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was she was a little scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was a little dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then my mom was, um, psychic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She read tower cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for a living or like she just did it because she was, it came back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it came naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: She also used to read, um, which when I was about 14.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked her to teach me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She read.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, regular playing cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I could never understand how she would do it because they were just numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I had been around that since a little girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew that I had a gift or source, just wasn't quite sure what it was because I was always resonated with nature, with animals, I knew that I communicated differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I was an odd girl, but
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it was a disadvantage.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no problem, you know, I was teased at school too, by the way, but then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kids would come to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let me ask you a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what does that mean when people hear the word which, or which craft, and you're talking about psychic abilities, you know, we can walk by down the street in New York and there's, you know, all these window fronts that come get your tarot cards red or you can read your future, people pay all this money to call somebody in Europe and they tell you what, you know, you want to hear or don't want
[SPEAKER_00]: What makes what you're born with different than who these people are on the street trying to make a living out of it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I mean, I would say that probably 90% of our Charlottes is, you know, you don't, if you're very perceptive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's easy to read people and you don't have to be psychic to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of and it doesn't make you gullible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think they're very good at reading you as a person.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's, you know, it's the simple things that you can touch upon which everybody is going through.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did, I did retire cars, I ended up learning how to rethink cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just knew that I would sense, especially when I was younger, which I didn't like, I would sense if somebody was going to die, which I hated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a friend of mine that I knew was, and I stopped being friends with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pulled away from him weeks beforehand, because
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't be around that, but for me, I think for me, I wanted to affect a positive change in people's lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be able to read people and give them hope when I knew they were in a distressed situation or they didn't have answers or they just needed the
[SPEAKER_02]: I started really, I mean, I did, and I have said it on the show as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did go to a dark place because my mum was married to Amanda.
[SPEAKER_02]: I despised, I used my setfather, and I sort of sought out that energy to
[SPEAKER_02]: help me cope on a daily basis around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was my escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as I got older, especially when I turned 18, I decided that that wasn't something, you know, there's a price to pay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get to...
[SPEAKER_02]: create a situation out of magic and not pay a price if it's coming from a negative energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, wait, I have so many questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe that there's such a thing of destiny or fate or can somebody's destiny and fate be changed based on a spell or something changing in the universe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it energy based?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you know what I'm asking?
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that, I don't think this is which base,
[SPEAKER_02]: choices and we have paths to take and I think that, you know, destiny, maybe set out one way, but I do believe that we have a way to maybe change the direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not so sure if you're talking about sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, this is the date that you're going to die, can you avoid that thing, but I definitely think that you have the ability to correct your destiny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the end result will be if it's any different, but I do know that your journey getting their will change.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that we all have that power though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't, you know, innately we know the difference between right and wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that if we're intentionally trying to hurt somebody or create havoc in their life or chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're, I do believe karma, comma 100%, and I also believe that with spell magic, you can sometimes give karma a little swift push in the right direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all could use a little bit of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go back to something you said before about the boy you were telling me when you were younger and you felt you sense that he was going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does, can you explain what that feeling is like when you feel senses like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends, it depends what I'm picking up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I, again, with intuition with anybody, if you're heightened, if you have heightened intuition, or yeah, if you have heightened intuition, you can sense something from somebody immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can either sense that there are,
[SPEAKER_02]: does this a negative energy about them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if there's something you know that they have this beautiful calm energy that's that's a spiritual that you resonate with like a light-minded soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for me it was just with people I get to read them immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also recognize somebody that
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's almost like a taste like I don't I get a sort of like a corporate taste of my mouth when there's something that when I'm either in a really bad situation that's predictably negative or if I'm around someone that is not safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's so interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you believe that people can learn, you said you learned to read cards in general?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you believe that someone can learn astrology and become an astrologist and read somebody's cards?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe somebody is that something that is learned or do you have to feel it and have powers within?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, so with spell, I think with just because I was born
[SPEAKER_02]: where in some way, well, they all were which is actually, but that doesn't mean that as a spiritual person that connects, especially because you have to connect with nature, that is, that is what this faith is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a nature-based spirituality faith that deals with balance, it's harmonious, it's about course and effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you put out, you will receive and that goes for negative energy too.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: get to put out something negative to someone who has nothing to you and expect that you're going to get off Scott for you because you don't, you will pay a price and it may come right away, it may come later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that anyone that has this desire, this yearning
[SPEAKER_02]: reteles any of this is is teachable.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you if generally have an interest in it and it's not for anything negative, I absolutely know that you will.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this may seem like a very elementary question, but can you explain what a witch is?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of misconceptions about this word witch.
[SPEAKER_00]: It brings negative connotations, black capes, pointy hats, cauldrons and spells.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is a witch?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I'll explain sort of what Wicker is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Wicker, like I said, is what I didn't say this before, but Wicker is an individualized spiritual base faith that centers around Mother Nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we believe in the miracles of nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: We believe in ultimately respecting and not destroying the earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, stop depleting natural resources, which is also something that I'm really heavy into.
[SPEAKER_02]: But weaker is a new religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of from the 1950s, but it's under the umbrella of paganism, which also has a lot of other different sub-religions, but it's politics-yastic, meaning that we believe in one
[SPEAKER_02]: We believe in more than one God or God is.
[SPEAKER_02]: We believe in the duality of deity, which God's and God is says.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we can like other non-traditional religions.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know that there's a higher power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we also call it different names.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that traditional religions believe in God and Jesus, but we believe more in the energy
[SPEAKER_02]: and a lot of Greek mythology as well, but there is no one true form of wicker which is why it's individualized.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's there are covers and sex that practice different theologies.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have different books of shadows which are rituals.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't practice all the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: with because it's non-traditional, there's no sort of want to form this governing agency, there's no spiritual leaders or recognized profits.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's it's centered around mother it's centered around earth, it's centered around nature, but I
[SPEAKER_02]: not all pagans are weekends, not all weekends are witches and not all not all of those areas practice witchcraft.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's just it's it's when it's just very different you don't they're like I said there is no one to form.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you are a practicing wick-in, correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I will use all harness the, if I'm going to do magic for example, I will harness the
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the elements to affect any to change.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will use the lunar faces like certain results for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me personally, and I am talking about personally are more powerful than others, but that doesn't mean that if it's not a full moon, I'm not going to go practice magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just this different energies that affect change for me, and then when you say practice magic, what does that actually mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're talking to the spirits, you're what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so if for example, I am looking for a sign and I.
[SPEAKER_02]: have something very specific in mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will light a candle for myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will usually light incense because, you know, I don't, I do sage, which means I cleanse my area of any negative energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I bring a negative energy, if it's my own negative energy, I make sure I get rid of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will just focus on what my question is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will repeat it and repetition is very good with this as well, by the way, so that I can look for signs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I if I am asking for an answer on a direct question, once I'm done and I and I thank you know who I'm talking to then I usually get my signs within a day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's well, work also, you know, will include certain herbs if you want to use herbs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I, I think I mainly do sort of my average thing would be that I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say kind of work more than anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And crystals of the secret tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: But are people coming to you and hiring you to do readings or things?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or this is just something you do within your own personal life?
[SPEAKER_02]: I see, I think this is for me again personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody operates differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know of an incredibly talented wish that reads cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, that's not something that's, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, if I have friends of mine that are,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, need some help.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely will help them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I don't, it's, it's not a service that I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people aren't coming to you and saying, can you call upon my, you know, dead parent or whatever, can we have a conversation or I just met somebody, can you put a spell on them to make them fall madly and love with me?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not conjuring.
[SPEAKER_02]: that they are asking me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I even have people that DM me on Instagram asking me to do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if there's something that, if I read, and I have done it, if I read a DM from somebody that's in a situation, I don't necessarily have to do candle work, but I can
[SPEAKER_00]: create movement for them if you do you believe that I've heard people say before like something like a spell was put on you you know years ago before you were even born I don't really know what that means and you're reliving the same problem or same path until that spell gets broken is that that
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's definitely a real thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how common it is anymore, because I really don't come across that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely do believe in what would be called a cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You do you believe that, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like what we see in the movies where somebody takes a little voodoo doll and hits it with needles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a bigger deal than that?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have made fg's out of wax before.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was younger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what I'm sort of, you know, I've seen a lot of these movies on magical witches or whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm like, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it makes me, because it's just, I feel like it's taking the piss out of something that should be protected.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then if you're dealing with dark magic and by the way, that could be the same thing said about Christianity, because if you invert the cross, you're in your
[SPEAKER_00]: Inviting something negative and it's that's with any religion across the board traditional non-traditional we there is good and there's bad right I agree with that well that was an next thing I was going to ask you because another thing that's Often misunderstood it's like centuries of stereotypes and fears I think that has been conjured up
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people associate witches with secrecy, and it's not necessarily, and correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just talking here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not necessarily secrecy from what you guys are hiding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more that in the olden days, people
[SPEAKER_00]: thought you were a witch and they would stone you to death.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you would want to keep secret your beliefs I would think.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's a stereotype that goes along with people who are practicing wickens or witches or pagans are secretive people and I don't necessarily know that that's the case for what the reason is that they think it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not for the reason that
[SPEAKER_02]: go back to the 1600s, women that were a healers and they weren't witches, but they were healers, they were considered witches because they had an ability to heal somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a gift.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't that they were practicing witch, but they also, you know, connected with the earth and nature and they used certain herbs to use his remedies.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, the secrecy was because of
[SPEAKER_02]: And I also think, and this is something that you know, I am all about the feminine, and I think any time, and especially if you talk about centuries and centuries ago, any time a woman displayed any sort of power, it threatened a man who was in power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was a way of
[SPEAKER_02]: from having a voice, but secrecy, you know, me growing up, for example, I was not, I wasn't overly talking about what I believed in because there was a stigma attached to it, and I had already experienced that as a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched my grandmother, people were afraid of my grandmother,
[SPEAKER_00]: Earlier, I'll go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, and for me, it's not something that I spoke openly about, but anybody that was close to me knew what I did, but it wasn't like I was, you know, blowing my trumpet to announce what I was doing, because you don't you don't want to encourage any sort of negative attack.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Earlier you mentioned that sometimes when you were younger you had to hide to witness some of the things that your grandmother was doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell us a little bit like the stuff that she would do or why she was intimidating to people?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think with my grandmother, she recognized how power she was, she did to have people that would ask her to do spell work for her definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would sometimes peek in where all sort of right through the crack of a door to see what she was doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it wasn't something that she was, she spoke out about, either, not even with me or my mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just understood.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not something that we came together on certain seasons or solstice or equinox.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, she was private about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, now, but I've had the platform of housewives,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay to talk about it, but before that, I wasn't, I didn't, you know, I just was used to protecting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was sacred to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious about the rituals and the spells.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, the stigma is that witches are sitting around with black hats and stirring a hot pot, a hot cold run and speaking into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the reality of creating spells or rituals?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the reality is that we're doing that to affect a change, a need a change, a positive change, if we're just talking about work right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, it's a way to connect with the natural energies that are around us, who align yourself with them tap into them.
[SPEAKER_02]: and ultimately ask permission to borrow it because everything around us with nature is vibration.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, I'm put over we.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we connect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like even just, yeah, animals, plants, you name it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We tap into that energy to affect a need of change.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if people are listening and they are not, obviously, not a practicing wicking, but they want to affect a change, whatever that might be for them, something with their health, something that they want to get some toxic energy out of their elements.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they want to bring a romantic relationship into their life, a business relationship, whatever it is, is there something you could suggest for people to do or say to change the energy to call something positive
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there are some things, again, it's, okay, so I have been asked to do spells for people because they're being blocked by something, whether it's themselves or someone else or
[SPEAKER_02]: They, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: there's an opportunity that they really, really want whether it's a job or what not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what can they do to do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's something that I would do for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want me.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not necessarily like you could give us a piece of advice on like repeating certain words or sitting at a certain type of day and thinking about something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm making this up obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that you, you couldn't manifest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not necessarily a spell word,
[SPEAKER_02]: If a person's already asking that, that's because they're already connected to some sort of form of spirituality where they do believe that there's a higher power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not talking traditional religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're already there, they're already connected.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I suggest, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Go out on the full bloody moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sit outside, completely quiet in your mind, quiet in yourself now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is also like meditation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can write down what you're asking for and you can repeat it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you're talking to, you know, the moon, you're, you know, that is my dive diver and excuse me, to my god, I, I thought that was divine energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you connect to that energy and
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that works a hundred percent so you can you can manifest just for yourself definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we I love that you're suggesting the full moon.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it about the full moon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well the full moon is we that's what I follow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we followed lunar phases and seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with the full moon it's this miracle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has so much power
[SPEAKER_02]: affects the way that oceans move, you know, in the way it's naturally creating movement through our lives, so of course it's going to be a source of energy to try and tap into and also be.
[SPEAKER_02]: respectful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm kind of like blanking right now because no, I think it's really interesting because you know people that do not follow this don't know anything about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, you know, if I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, oh, I want to make a change in my life, what would I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to go look in wherever I can Google it to see when the next full moon is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe I'll go sit outside and make a wish list or manifest like what you're talking about things that I want into my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that'll work for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't mean like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's important for our listeners to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know anybody can can literally connect with.
[SPEAKER_02]: energies, natural energies around us, which is my faith, which is nature-based and a spiritual faith.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not the only faith that believes in this, but yeah, we all have that power.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just need to sort of know that
[SPEAKER_02]: that we have that power within us to connect and to be able to change things.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can manifest, if you are constantly thinking about something that needs to change in your life, it will change if you are positive about it and you're recognizing that there is a higher power helping you to affect that change, it will work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just about, literally, is about finally people tapping into Mother Nature and to natural energies as resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious about what people like you and your religion think of Halloween.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, that must be, I mean, maybe not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, is it your favorite time or your?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's my favorite time of year for a few reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is because myself and my daughter have birthdays in October, but then Halloween for me, I just, I get so excited by the Macabre.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I love having creepy decorations, I really do, like, it gets me gigally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even when my children were young, I mean, I would have this guy here out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at first, I didn't go down too well, but they finally got used to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I love, I do have that fun side of me where I do love the macabre, I love horror films.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love being scared, I love scary people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I constantly, I'm trying to jump out on my one door so who really doesn't flinch, and it's so dissatisfying, but then her boyfriend, I will, my son and I will put on costumes and then really creepy mask and hide from him and then jump out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just to heal, hear him squeal gives me life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this poor guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he, like behind-the-hide behind-counters and up-out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, um...
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I just, I love, I love dressing up as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I may half of the stuff my friends say is in my wardrobe, which is fairly true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and you dress this way all year round, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I see you have beautiful nails and you're all in black and, but is this your year-round attire?
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's, yeah, my friends have called it a uniform.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love black, I always have, I, you know, black.
[SPEAKER_02]: absorbs all the colours of the spectrum so I feel like I'm colourful all the time and I I just I'm very comfortable in it and maybe I did on housewives I started to branch out in colours and I just I didn't especially go into that bloody environment you know with sharks in the water I didn't fly armoron but yeah I do I love
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, um, I think with fashion, I love sort of like this Gothic Victorian style that really sort of satisfies my soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with Gothic architecture, um, and Tiques.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it's something that feels very familiar with me and it, I, it just makes me feel very calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love, by the way, I love your kids' names, destiny, mystery, and cross.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I get the right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Gorgeous names that obviously represent this whole lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not just a phase, obviously, for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they, are they practicing weekends?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they like you or when you were a child, do you feel like they have something inside of them?
[SPEAKER_02]: I 100% know they will do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will display it when it's funny,
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody had asked me when I was pregnant with my first daughter, destiny, if I was going to introduce her, like, would she be a witch, I would she be wicked?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was very adamant with all my children that they needed to make the decision when they were able to or aware of what religion resonated with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it could be anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't, it wasn't
[SPEAKER_02]: they would connect with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that, you know, my specialty by two daughters who are now officially adults, yes, they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I had seen, you know, when they were younger, the girls, especially because there's an age gap between my daughters and my son, when they were younger and we were going to bed at night, I would have to read them stories every bloody night and they would always be these,
[SPEAKER_02]: And mythical stories about the unicorns and Pegasus and the dragons and just, you know, to help them fall asleep, which it did.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they naturally were bring being brought up into an environment that believed in magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, she was maybe in third grade, but all third or fourth grade, but they had to write a little story about how.
[SPEAKER_02]: they get to an island, and Destiny wrote about a story where she was on a unicorn Pegasus, and that she flew to the island and there were mermaids in the ocean and she was speaking to the animals and she was like a regular doctor do little.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the teacher who was familiar with her are so she ever wrote anything real.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it really distressed her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she came home and she,
[SPEAKER_02]: told me that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, well, what did you say to the teacher?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she said, she told her that this is real for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She believes because we believe in parallel universes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we don't have these stories, you know, I said to her, well, what you say to her next time, what anybody else that sort of says, why do you believe in magic or why do you believe in dragons?
[SPEAKER_02]: dinosaurs ever existed until we found the bones of these giant creatures, you know, so that's, that was my logic like, of course, it bloody exists for us in our world, it exists and if you don't believe in it, you're not going to see it or you won't be aware of its presence, but yes, so now the girls are older that I've seen they are psychic, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: extremely intuitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: They work with crystals, especially with the full moon, they're about manifesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Since coming to Miami and sort of settling in my daughter or actually first of all, my children live with me except for destination has her in place, but she is currently in Milan modeling and she's five foot 10, so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: and such an incredible artist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually want her to pursue her art and get her out there because I feel like it's, she produces the most ethereal, just thought provoking art.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just think it's a crime that she doesn't share it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then my other daughter, Ms. Fury, who just recently turned 21, is pursuing her singing career.
[SPEAKER_02]: And looking to form a band, it's sort of a mystical rock vibe.
[SPEAKER_02]: She writes her own songs with the sort of very feminine empowering message, which very thorough, which I'm really really excited about, and then my son Cross is at school pursuing studies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's lovely to witness my children on their own paths, which is sort of a new chapter in their story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really proud of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they also have a message that they want to convey and have a platform, which I'm really hoping this materializes.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I know it will materialize for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, can you explain to people what a day in the life is for someone like you right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think you're just sitting around in front of a cauldron, you know, giving out spells.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so tell me what you do all day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll have to
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, okay, so we moved from LA to Miami, literally right as COVID hit, so that was fabulous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were sort of like, everybody else, nothing really was happening for two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was also, I had divorced my ex of 19 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: The irony is we all moved out to Miami together, my children ended up living with me, but we finally, even while I was getting divorced from David, we were still living under the same roof, which was odd to say the least.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was less, so those two years was sort of about more about me healing and getting my children settled, which they are now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a good relationship with him now, at least with co-parenting and I mean, I know two of the girls are older, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, but we were always a super, super tightly-knit family unit and even when I told him, you know, I wanted to get separated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, you know, because we were best friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I still want us to be good friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't, there doesn't need to be any animosity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this smoothly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we finally, I was finally like, I want to get divorced.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to be separated
[SPEAKER_02]: went sideways and I was, I felt incredibly vulnerable and you know, everyone that goes through divorce will feel like they've been taken advantage of, you know, hoodwinked and I did and everything in my opinion, we
[SPEAKER_02]: while we were out here in Miami, I said that we wanted a truce with one another.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we literally spent every birthday with our children together, every holiday together.
[SPEAKER_02]: But recently it just, it got very toxic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like, well, with my marriage, it started to get very controlling cycling.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt the same thing with us,
[SPEAKER_02]: me really trying to be friends with him, which it was not working.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so no, we, we are not great at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I just want to get to point where, and I think it just happened actually where, you know, the ties of cards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you able to, first of all, if you date somebody,
[SPEAKER_00]: Say that again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't care, are you on like any of the dating apps?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you dating for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't even explained what dating out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like literally, I think I'm so now that I'm sort of, I feel like I've got to my whole healing part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm contemplating.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have a couple of my best friends that live out here and my one friend, Hote, she says I have cobwebs,
[SPEAKER_02]: But he tells me that I have to take it out for a test drive, which I'm not second right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of dating is not really in my peripheral.
[SPEAKER_02]: I certainly do look at pretty things, but I actually, I just right now, I wanna focus on now that, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: emotionally available again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to focus on the projects that I want to get going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so tell me about those, because they are some very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know one of them is you're working on it, helping with boutique hotels or is there just one, you you you have a past in interior design and architecture correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I see I built houses with my brother and little back in Los Angeles, but it was primarily in Calabasis.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I ended up designing our own Gothic home, which you see on the Housewives, which was such a labor of love.
[SPEAKER_02]: When David and I were on our honeymoon, we went to part of it, we went to Venice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I started, I was obsessed with, with, I've always had been, but I was obsessed with the Venetian architecture.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I incorporated that in,
[SPEAKER_02]: into the designs of the house that we ended up building.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually built it with my brother-in-law.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we were laying down the foundation, I cut myself to put my blood in the foundation to secure it and to keep it safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll also buried some of key courts in the four corners of the property to protect us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I love architecture.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I love Miami because I love actually art deco as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have three projects that I'm super passionate about, which I've talked about for a few years now, except for my last one, but yes, I have been wanting to design a boutique hotel that, again, is focused on my beliefs,
[SPEAKER_02]: nature, spirituality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm right now designing rooms that will either be in a 13 floor boutique hotel or I'll have 13 rooms on a five floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It depends.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, you know, in Miami, there's a lot of buildings that could definitely be renovated and you keep the original art decor architecture, which is stunning.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you walk in, it's an immersive experience because what you walk into an art decor building.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's to do with the elements, it's to do, you know, and because with the tentacle and the five-pointed pentagram, they represent Goddess Earth Firewater.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to incorporate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's not like everyone's going to be haunted with a different spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, only if you want it to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, that could be so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be like, how long can you stay in the room without the spirit coming out and freaking you out?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know getting scared though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just yes, I think that would be so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, every so often you read about a hotel somewhere in some random place that people believe it's haunted and or a certain room that's haunted and you kind of want to go there and see if it's all fake, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I absolutely do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so anyway, my so I'm going to draw on the inspiration of my
[SPEAKER_02]: but I think my main focus is sustainability and I want to make it a green environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all about natural resources and I do want to incorporate that and I also want to
[SPEAKER_02]: local artisans.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make everything local and give up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a location for this already, or you're just coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a few locations.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually want to finish the plans like a 100% because I don't want to put it out there in the universe until I know exactly what I want it to be because then for me, that's when I'll do my manifesting got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it's not about finding a location that represents this to you and creating it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about creating it and bringing it to wherever you want to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: With with the theme rooms, I also I'm I'm big believer in sacred geometry as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to incorporate that into one of the rooms.
[SPEAKER_02]: But every single room will have sort of an immersive experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's something that I'm super passionate about because I am I'm all about the details and they say the devils in the details and it literally is and I'm not going to be country in the devil, but I'm just saying that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Details are everything and I want somebody to just fill a connection with these places, these rooms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and also I want to have a club in there and a restaurant, um, but am I spiritually based shop obviously for cat?
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm already seeing this before you're saying it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and do you feel that this is going to be in Miami or is this more like a Vegas thing or what where I want to in Miami?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am so in love with Miami.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I never felt, I'd never thought that I would feel that way about another place because I was in love with Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_02]: for 20-plus years.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I came to Miami, we were looking for places to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: The energy that Miami gives me is so healing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a, as well as a diverse culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just everything about it feeds me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the ocean is healing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It reminds me of
[SPEAKER_02]: Cohners, you know, and Hawaii, the ocean.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just has a different vibration for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's actually where my children, I used to spend most of our time during COVID.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want this, I don't know, I just, I'm,
[SPEAKER_02]: excited because I want to give to the community that I live in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want finally to be able to contribute.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm I faith as yes, it is nature, base, spirituality and I want to be now able to be in a position to make a difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to promote, you know, natural energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I want to leave the clean footprint when I go I love that I know this I mean this question kind of sounds below you but I will ask did you you know did you find it was important having that platform to be a Bravo star really puts you on a different level you know would you ever want to be on the house wise of Miami would that help you with what you're talking about and having a Clean energy platforms you do you feel like that helps or you don't care
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, I definitely look, I have, I am forever grateful for housewives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, sorry, I think my battery's about to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to grab my charger and so.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I am forget, um, I'm forever grateful for housewives.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing that I have no regrets about doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but I don't think I want to do another reality housewife show again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and it certainly even, however many years later, I still get DM from people that are interested in wicker like, you know, wicker is not a faith that you start, um, we don't, we don't, what is the word?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh, I can't remember the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, but wicker.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we can faith it's something that you alone discover.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you have an interest, you will come, you will find a way to just explore it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, we don't recruit.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what that's.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's not that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think, I think with the project, with the hotel and with my faith, it aligns.
[SPEAKER_02]: perfectly because with the pentagram with the five points, like I said, is earth, spirit, earth, wind, fire, water, that is also, that's renewable energy, you know, you've got your your your son, you've got which is solar energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have your hydro energy, your water, you have your wind, which will wind turbine, especially don't allow in Miami.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have the Earth's energy, which is the heat that Earth naturally creates.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just for some reason, everything clicked for me with all of these projects that I want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: you spoke earlier about a hydrogen energy project.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something different than the boutique hotel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I want to incorporate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this one, it's sort of fell into my lap, but it's a, it's a boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So especially in the coal parts of America.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people use fossil fuel to heat up their boilers to produce heat.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a boiler that is a combination boiler.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it uses electric.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the maintenance on it is almost non-existent.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been tested in the market for at least six years in Europe.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not available yet in America.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's another way to bring the way that solar panel energy is out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's another way to bring that renewable energy
[SPEAKER_02]: depleting the natural resources of mother nature because once they're gone, they are gone permanently to can't replenish them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just, I am intrigued by it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am exploring it further obviously, but it's something that will make a huge difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you and this substantial savings that you would save on bills because you're not using gas and you're
[SPEAKER_02]: out greenhouse gases into the environment, you're not just storing, you know, you're just not destroying the atmosphere is something that I want to definitely get involved with.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is with me when I start learning about something, I go down a rabbit hole.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll start trying to understand how you, how do you extract heat from the Earth's core?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how do you, how
[SPEAKER_02]: with the natural gases, for example, with the oils like like how does it all work and the problem is it's such an infinite subject and there's so much information you can be on for a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very confusing and I think that is the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: For anybody that wants to switch over to green energy, it's a complicated subject to understand and it needs to be sort of a
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't, it is not that complicated if you're just dealing with the surface part of it and people, especially out here in Miami, they have switched and our continued to switch to solar panels, this company that I'm interested in right now, they make the solar cells, they, they are the sort of a one stop play so they.
[SPEAKER_02]: In Europe right now they manufacture they produce they install and they maintain it out here you don't have that for example with a solar panels out here you have to you buy the solar panels they're not custom made to your roof.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to then get another person to install it, then you have to get another person to maintain it, so you having sort of all these cooks in the kitchen and you and they don't always know what they're doing so it can screw up the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: This with this company, it's it would be based now in America, it would just be your one point person that that's what I think you let me is they literally make they produce it, they make it the manufacturer right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I want to ask you one more question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you said you don't want to do like another housewife type show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you ever do another reality show?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm happy you asked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I finish, I'm so excited about this because it tickles my fancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a paranormal reality show and they are out there for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is very different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Except for the fact that, yes, we would be traveling across the country to renown haunted sites.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be inviting a celebrity guest to join me.
[SPEAKER_02]: For the day, we would also go into the, we would explore sort of like the folklore of the location.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would explore the history of the location.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would be traveling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have two really good friends of mine that would be traveling with me,
[SPEAKER_02]: They tend to bring out the wicked of me and the mischievous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like what I think about them, I get gigally because my one friend, I love to jump scare him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I've never heard such a shoot like a high-pitch role.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, okay, so anyway, I digress.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, part of this would be going to the haunted location and the twisters that we would stay there overnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, that's where I get excited about because I love to tell ghost stories and it was just it's it's a I think the reason why I think it's a unique concept is because it blends genuine human fear with humour so it's not just you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: focusing on it is, by the way, treating the environment at the location, respectfully, because I do know that most of these places are haunted.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're dealing with spirits and that's something that you don't screw with.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely have my little prayer protection for myself and the crew and the guests that's coming in and because yes, you can you can enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: the sort of journey on it, but you also have to be respectful.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not trying to sort of go to a spirit into appearing because they're going to mess with you and they'll probably go home with you, which you do not want.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want anything negative attached in itself to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you believe that there are spirits that are negative or have negative intentions that, you know, when you hear about people saying, I've seen a spirit, it's haunting me and then you see these movies about negative spirits and houses where people move in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there such a thing or a spirit's usually good or trapped here?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are spirits?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it a combination?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I believe in all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe in malevolent spirits.
[SPEAKER_02]: objects physically move um that was my favorite movie when I was a child by the way do you remember all the people that I have seen it a hundred times every two look at the lines well you know it's still it's still kind of get you chilly on that yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, and by the way, sorry, I digress too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the cast members are dead, which I think is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same could be said for the Omen.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't see anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was, that was, that was bloody creepy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The exorcist.
[SPEAKER_02]: The exorcist too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen the exorcist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw it when I was really young.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, that did put the fear of
[SPEAKER_02]: a God inside of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a pair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a paralyzing fear of throwing up, and I always heard that you were straight throws up, so I've never seen it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, can I show you something really quick?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it somebody throwing up though?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, hold on.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exorcist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to throw up coming out of the mouth as you can see she's a little green here and yes it's dribbling but I don't know if I have about she's in her bit let me just see something.
[SPEAKER_00]: She and My head spins I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, in the lights, the eyes are going, is she going to start spouting vomit?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I wish she did.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a bit of wonderful feature.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, no, but I definitely, I definitely 100% believe in energy's positive and negative or otherwise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, what we moved into this building,
[SPEAKER_02]: For the longest time, for probably about a year, I would see in my profile something walked by me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember one day thinking, okay, well, this has not a new building, it's been renovated.
[SPEAKER_02]: It used to be a hospital, and I'm like, please don't let it be an insane asylum.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was actually a heart hospital.
[SPEAKER_02]: But obviously people died here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had a mortuary downstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when we moved in, we people that worked here would tell us that there was a certain
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was like the shining.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, my children, the three of them and myself and this other young lady that used to work here, we would go up to this floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would go down the hallway and you literally, I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would feel like you walked into a freezer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just.
[SPEAKER_02]: you could feel like the hairs on your back of your neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've seen a little boy in here before, quite a few times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my daughter's heard people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as my son has run into my room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm just curious now personally, just because I don't, you know, I'm not somebody who, for whatever reason believes in spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I was engaged to somebody who was killed and my father died when I was very young.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people are always like, oh, you should talk to them and they'll hear you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe in that stuff?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I definitely do.
[SPEAKER_02]: When my grandfather passed who, I think he literally was the only man that I've ever had respect for.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I knew he would, okay, again, same situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, I saw him, he was leaving to go to South Africa.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a big gambler, a successful one, and he would go to South Africa every year, and he would bet on the horses out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he, I was with him, and I asked him,
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like something bad is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, oh, he'll be fine, he'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt it, like I felt this dread inside of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that you can taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, whenever I feel that feeling, it's such a visual energy, but I could taste it as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he did, he left, and he was in South Africa.
[SPEAKER_02]: was doing something in my apartment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember what it was, but I suddenly just sort of had this knowing that he died.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my mum called me and told me, I think it was a day later because he wasn't, we weren't notified right away, but he had, he was sitting at a table with a bunch of
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a massive heart attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, he was discounted.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that night I started, I couldn't feel him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was really upset because this is something that's familiar with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to feel him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I couldn't feel him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I started to talk.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I
[SPEAKER_02]: I just kept asking him to please make himself known to me because I wasn't, I couldn't feel his energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just wanted to maybe see signs of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I started to be aware of like little signs or even like numbers that would be his favorite number.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I would see he loved Jackaranda trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would see like I would be driving somewhere and I would see a Jackaranda tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: where I and I know for a fact was signs that he was with me and even to this day and this he died years and years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even to this day and I have a photograph of him where I will light a candle and I'll start talking to him just and I speak out loud because and even with spell when you need to you need to hear yourself it's not just an internal thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I talked to him and if I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: predicament or whatnot, I will ask for advice or I'll ask him to sort of guide me and I definitely know and I definitely feel a presence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not always so obvious either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we were talking about spirits and entities and energies, they can definitely make you very aware that they're there, but then you have the very subtle ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why you have to always be
[SPEAKER_02]: open and accessible to allow yourself to be connected to seed messages to receive signs.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to start paying attention because most of us, you know, just disconnect or we sleep walk through life.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you start making yourself aware that you want to see the beauty around you
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, are you scared of death?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that scares people like you?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, before I had children, I was never afraid of death.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't, I don't think
[SPEAKER_02]: Up until I had children, I don't think I was scared of anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, people didn't frighten me, certainly not spirits or energies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bad people, I've met bad people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have felt them, but they don't frighten me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just know that you've got to get yourself out of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to remove yourself from them somehow without setting off their little crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: So what was the question I got distracted by the fact that if you were scared of death?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, so when I had, I always felt like I was immortal when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see like I would try and picture the way that I was going to die and I could never see it and never felt afraid of any of that but then when I got pregnant with all three of them that's when I sort of felt mortality and that's when I felt afraid because I was responsible for a human life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was responsible for to keep them alive especially when
[SPEAKER_02]: and I think that sort of allowed me to experience fear on it on for the first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now that they're older and they, you know, they make their own decisions, they have their
[SPEAKER_02]: I have taught my children very, very well of signs to look for in people in an environment when you walk in and to tune in, like listen to your gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have a nagging feeling and you're kind of your stomach, that is you, that is you being alert to to remove, get it out, get out of a situation, even if you can't see it, it's there, it's present and it and it's dangerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that I know that the, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: weaponized with that sort of information.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not the idea of dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm not supposed to, yeah, I don't believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been put on this, I don't think my time's up yet because I know that I'm supposed to be here to make a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: But do you believe when you die, it's just like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you believe you still go on in another form?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe in reincarnation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I recognize my children.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know they recognize me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that children choose that parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, with my son cross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I had both my daughters and I knew that I was supposed to have a boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was like coming towards the end where my marriage was starting to unravel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was like, I have to have a, a my son.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm supposed to have him because before destiny, I had, um, I think it's called a topic pregnancy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I had and that will bring me to another subject in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so I had to get a DNC.
[SPEAKER_02]: So technically, they go in and they remove the theaters, or whatever, and I'm on the thing baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had the topic pregnancy I had to go to the hospital and I knew that that spirit of that baby and I didn't obviously know what it was was my son and then I got pregnant and I had destiny and then I got pregnant again and I had mystery and then I was like I my son is waiting for me like he is waiting in the wings for me and then I got pregnant and I knew I was pregnant
[SPEAKER_02]: his him waiting there for me and it was and actually my pregnancy with him was so different from having girls because I actually felt like I was fat so that he was an alien inside of me because I remember asking my my my doctor to do you have a tail because I I'm not connect with this child of mine you know because when I was pregnant I was always talking to the girls and
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I do believe that I do believe in the afterlife.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe that I know I've lived many lifetimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that my children have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that we have no need to other just not in the same, you know, not always as male and female.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I mean, I could talk to you forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot and this interview with Al asking about your relationship, however, with your former friend Kyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a question about your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you said you don't watch the show, but do you believe this whole thing that she's now a lesbian?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, so just because I don't watch it, basically most of my friends are gay, so they do keep me up to date.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they, like some of the boys have said to me that, oh, Kyle's now come out as a lesbian and I'm like, was that for a storyline?
[SPEAKER_02]: because God knows she was always desperately in need of one and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I don't know that I don't necessarily, I don't know this may cause a little stir, but I don't know necessarily that we're all sort of straight, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I fall in love with energy so I haven't ever fallen in love with a woman that's to say, but I think women are beautiful and do I find them attractive in a way that is not just platonic, yes I have for sure, but my preference is man.
[SPEAKER_02]: not to say I have doubled either.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she knows who she is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she has created such a fictitious persona for herself that there's no one home.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's so trapped by this whatever she's created for herself and I
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's she's she um she's probably she's a different breed of file like she really is she's she's probably one of an ice and I don't say this lightly, but she is one of the most narcissistic toxic energies that I literally had the misfortune in a meeting
[SPEAKER_02]: She like she made she went through that physical taste that you talk about and I and I felt it immediately when I met her and I really did try to push through it so that I because obviously we're filming a bloody show and
[SPEAKER_02]: I had never watched her before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never watched housewives before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she had, and I had heard this, that she was saying is that I, when stuff, you know, when I started to sort of take her on, she said that I had preconceived notions because I'd watched the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if I had watched the show and witnessed some of the heinous shit she had done, there is no way I would have given her the time of day
[SPEAKER_02]: the producers, you know, number one, my, my, don't exploit my faith and also I'm not changing who I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you see is what you get good and bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, she, oh, yeah, I just, sometimes I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I met Kim, I hung out with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's such for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I didn't watch her on the show before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know like what made her angry to other people, but what I do know is what I encountered.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I have a friend that doesn't like my other friend, that's not going to make me stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just keep you separate.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I like you, I like you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no one is going to determine that for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: What she, when I was on the show, what she did to me because she wasn't, she wasn't getting the upper hand on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She accused me of being anti-Semitic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that literally was by far one of the worst experiences I've had in my life to be accused of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was beyond shopping, and it was so calculated and so manipulated and so defamatory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because she knew obviously the producers of Todd, I had gotten a new tattoo on the back of my neck, and she asked to see it, and I was hosting a pool party at the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, is that the star David?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, this bitch knows that I'm a wicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I think, what aggravated me was number one, if you cannot tell the difference between your own Jewish faith symbol, the star David that has six points and does not look like a five pointed pentagram within the pentacle.
[SPEAKER_02]: then you really are not a strong believer in your own faith.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where she then spiraled into calling me anti-Semitic, and it shouldn't surprise me because if she, like, what she did to her own sister that she outed her on national TV and shamed her for alcoholism.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's no surprise to me that Kim never recovered because I don't know that if you're in the public eye and this was again, however many years ago, you know, people weren't so accepting of people having their own trauma and dealing with it the way that they could only deal with it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Surprisingly, that she would do something so horrific to her own sister and I definitely believe she did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: She used it for her own storyline because
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you surprised about the disillusion of the marriage between her and Marisa?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've heard rumors as well about the marriage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, did you like people always were saying that it was him?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's the one that got out because he was so terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you saw?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that he was so terrible, I didn't witness it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he did actually place a phone call to my ex when we were about to join the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, you know, he basically said to David that don't, you know, the husband that killed himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: He basically, I don't know his name, but he basically said to David, don't do a referencing that man's name, meaning like this, you go into an environment that is like dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like to protect yourself, don't end up killing yourself like the guy did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it was so, David, you know him, it was so inappropriate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I think they,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: What went on in the marriage?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not surprised that it's over, but they also had a long marriage.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a marriage of 19 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's over.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It went to say together that long, you know, who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the shame when people say it means it didn't work or wasn't successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got three beautiful kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a whole, that was your chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you can have another one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that means it didn't last.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a shame.
[SPEAKER_02]: forward as human being.
[SPEAKER_02]: I completely just manipulate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she won reality star of the year or something this year or like most fame.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the word, but you know, she won some award.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw her doing an interview.
[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly you wouldn't have
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I would, but now this, so, right, right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Carlton, I enjoy talking to you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really could talk to you more and more and more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but we have to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that one day you will come back and we'll talk about fun other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you get your boutique hotel up and running, I wanna come check it out and we'll do more.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you should film some scenes of you getting that together, I think that's super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a great idea and that could be a reality show in itself, getting that built-in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you be a guest on my little paranormal reality show?
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent, because I'm always dying for someone to show me that there's some paranormal activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that movie or that TV show whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like you see the black and white of the people sleeping and all of a sudden they're yanked out of bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was called paranormal activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm always waiting for something like that to happen to me, but no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but first of all, you do not want that to happen to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: That means it's in your bloody home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't want very true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could be seeping up someone else's house and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or in your boutique hotel, maybe in one room, all these crazy things happened to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That could be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would, I would have to insulate that bloody room so they don't escape.
[SPEAKER_00]: My god, terrified, terrified and they get a free they get the room is calmed if they make it through to the next morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just want to make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing will be is that they never make it through because it's too scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly if I if I had the ability and the power to create a
[SPEAKER_02]: really, really, really possessed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so do it as long as I had a guarantee that it wouldn't attach itself to anybody and it would just be comfortable there on its own.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, we'll have to come back and we'll hear we'll have to hear more of how this happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still enjoyed meeting you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell people where they can read more about you, find you your website, your Instagram,
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I thought you were asked, okay, I thought you meant go do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Carlton 1311 is my Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a website.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if people are interested in talking to you more asking you questions, do you read your DMs?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not seeing with any sort of communication, actually, I'm terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: which I will improve upon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do periodically go on Instagram and look at my DMs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will definitely now and I'm very grateful to be honest, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for popping my cherry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm so excited that I was the one to pop your cherry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an honor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what, of course, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I will definitely look at my DMs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do, you know, I don't,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, again, you know, we don't recruit people to this that faith, but I can recommend books if they want to really understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one really, really good book out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd be happy to, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that just I feel like people will have questions because I know so many people feel stuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is an energy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've talked a lot about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe people will want to reach out to you about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I even have a set of tarot cards in my house.
[SPEAKER_00]: That of course, I don't know how to use.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I play it with them all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I read the instructions and it's so dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure people may have questions about that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's only because you do, you have a curiosity about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it's because people want answers, right, to things that they don't know about, and it would be so great too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think first of it, the first part is believing in it, and then the next part is connecting to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I, you know, I think the fear is that it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fear that I've lost these people in their gone or the fear that, you know, I don't know what's going to happen in the future, and I can't make it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: getting past whatever my issue is in believing in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think, yeah, I think if the minute you start asking for signs to verify that that someone's there for you or you want to see that does, does is there a high power aside from, you know, magic, you will, you will get your answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I promise you, you will,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's been such a pleasure meeting you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a believer now, and I wish you the best of luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that you need it because you can put some spells on whatever you're doing and make it happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you one.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, yes, I will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a racial.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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