Ep:184 Mount Adams Mystery Lights

<v Speaker 1>When I first saw the lights at the tree line
<v Speaker 1>that seemed to move and they interact. It's interesting. I've
<v Speaker 1>had experiences with the lights where I'm the only one
<v Speaker 1>in the field. Like a friend of mine was with me.
<v Speaker 1>He went to the bathroom for a few minutes, and
<v Speaker 1>I just kind of openly spoke into the atmosphere, like
<v Speaker 1>thank you for you know, showing my friends what's going
<v Speaker 1>on out here. I really appreciate that. And then the
<v Speaker 1>same light on the south side of the mountain karu
<v Speaker 1>to a luma's bright ball, like bigger than it had
<v Speaker 1>I've ever seen, just just me and it, whatever it is.
<v Speaker 1>And you get up there, you get up to the
<v Speaker 1>last road, and you hiked up on the ridgeline where
<v Speaker 1>the trees stop, and there's nothing there. There's multiple as
<v Speaker 1>setis around the world. There's one in Australia, I think, Japan, Hawaii.
<v Speaker 1>James owns the one in Hawaii, and the Mount Lake
<v Speaker 1>or Mount Adam's Trout Lake location. And they're not all
<v Speaker 1>connected either, some of them. Some of them are just
<v Speaker 1>from other people, you know, like I think that guy
<v Speaker 1>doctor Stephen Greer or something. I think he's all about
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. I know he is, and I tried this
<v Speaker 1>app and he's he's kind of I don't know. I
<v Speaker 1>definitely believe in what's going on with his side of things,
<v Speaker 1>because it's very much the same, except for we have
<v Speaker 1>our own Pacific Northwest kind of hippie edition where if
<v Speaker 1>you are out there, it's just it's very it's very
<v Speaker 1>kind of like I don't know if you've been to
<v Speaker 1>the area up here, but it feels feels like something
<v Speaker 1>that would be in Eugene, Oregon, like very very grateful,
<v Speaker 1>daddy hippie. Everything's homemade, but it's nice. The people are nice.
<v Speaker 1>They're all spiritually kind of aligned, no matter what their denomination.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of meditation, a lot of spoken words stuff.
<v Speaker 1>James does his podcast there every Sunday during the summer
<v Speaker 1>and you can sit in with him. I've done it
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of times. I found out about that place
<v Speaker 1>during my apprenticeship as a young tattooer in a local
<v Speaker 1>like kind of an adjoining town to Skimania County, which
<v Speaker 1>is I'm sure you know Scimunita County. Well, this this
<v Speaker 1>van pulls up and it says Seattle Paranormal and UFO
<v Speaker 1>Investigation Unit, and my sister happened to be in the
<v Speaker 1>tattoo shop at the time, just kind of hanging out,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, go, you have I go. They
<v Speaker 1>walked out, way go see what they're doing, like right now,
<v Speaker 1>And so she came back and she tracked them down
<v Speaker 1>and said that they said that there was ninety five
<v Speaker 1>reports of UFO activity in trout Lake, Washington the night before. Wow,
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, what that? What is? Where is trout Lake? What? Like?
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know where it was or what it
<v Speaker 1>was or anything. And that was two thousand and two,
<v Speaker 1>so before the kind of the dawn of the Internet.
<v Speaker 1>So there's no YouTube, there's no Google, there's no nothing.
<v Speaker 1>So I couldn't figure it out. I just kind of
<v Speaker 1>had to sit on it like okay, well, and then
<v Speaker 1>YouTube happened, and then slowly things started and Google was
<v Speaker 1>going on. Slowly. I was finding out that there's this
<v Speaker 1>is SETI place up there and they have all these photos.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, that must be what's going on and
<v Speaker 1>these people are onto something. And then then I found
<v Speaker 1>out you could visit yourself in the summertime if you
<v Speaker 1>pre register for camping, do the SkyWatch weekend and all that.
<v Speaker 1>So I've just been doing that for a little over
<v Speaker 1>ten years, just going out there every summer once or
<v Speaker 1>twice a year, checking out the ranch and just it's
<v Speaker 1>always consistent as it's interesting. So that's where it all began.
<v Speaker 2>So like, obviously the van caught your attention, so you
<v Speaker 2>were already interested in that sort of stuff. Where did
<v Speaker 2>that interest stem from?
<v Speaker 1>Well, I just I always kind of had this inclination
<v Speaker 1>that there was more than us going on, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>and then just from paying attention, I was kind of
<v Speaker 1>I still am very much like an autist in the
<v Speaker 1>sense of I have a very photographic memory. It goes
<v Speaker 1>back to when I was like two and a half
<v Speaker 1>years old. I just I noticed things and they stay
<v Speaker 1>in there forever, like just the world, society, the public history, this,
<v Speaker 1>that religion. I'm like, you know, maybe it was this,
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was where some advanced civilization and maybe well,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And then I started reading books on
<v Speaker 1>alien stuff. And then once I found that little section
<v Speaker 1>in the library when I was I don't know, maybe
<v Speaker 1>eight or nine ten, maybe with lockness and Bigfoot and
<v Speaker 1>YETI and all the stuff, I checked out most of
<v Speaker 1>the books, read all those books. My mom took notice.
<v Speaker 1>She bought me this peculiarium, Tales of the Bizarre. It
<v Speaker 1>basically was like an encyclopedia of every strange thing that
<v Speaker 1>can happen on the planet. Like, oh no, just fascinated
<v Speaker 1>with things on this earth that don't really check out,
<v Speaker 1>but that didn't have kind of like a scientific backing
<v Speaker 1>to them. Some stuff is just kind of whatever it was.
<v Speaker 1>I'm very much like I have to see it with
<v Speaker 1>my own eyes, you know. So I've been going up
<v Speaker 1>there trying to figure this all out, and it's been interesting,
<v Speaker 1>just the coalation of everything and how up in Mount
<v Speaker 1>Adams when I go through this kind of stuff, I
<v Speaker 1>try to explain it away, like, no, it was this.
<v Speaker 1>So I when I first saw the lights at the
<v Speaker 1>tree line that seemed to move and they interact like
<v Speaker 1>we do the meditation in the Ezekiel Hall, and everyone
<v Speaker 1>would go out to the field and Jeames has a
<v Speaker 1>bunch of really fun you know, telescopes and night vision
<v Speaker 1>and these military grade goggles and we mess around with those,
<v Speaker 1>and it's interesting. I've had experiences with the lights where
<v Speaker 1>I'm the only one in the field, Like a friend
<v Speaker 1>of mine was with me that I brought from Seattle
<v Speaker 1>who's kind of into the similar stuff, and he went
<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom for a few minutes, and I just
<v Speaker 1>kind of openly spoke into the atmosphere like, thank you
<v Speaker 1>for you know, showing my ends what's going on out here.
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that. And then the same light on
<v Speaker 1>the south side of the mountain crew to this alluminous
<v Speaker 1>bright ball, like bigger than it had I've ever seen,
<v Speaker 1>just just me and it whatever it is in the field.
<v Speaker 1>And then then the second it goes away, i'd hear
<v Speaker 1>the door to the portage on closed and my friend
<v Speaker 1>steps out and it's completely not there anymore. And in
<v Speaker 1>the video I could I could send you where I'm
<v Speaker 1>messing around with the night vision goggles. We have like
<v Speaker 1>a laser pin that will kind of like point up
<v Speaker 1>there to show people where the lights are, and you'll
<v Speaker 1>see the laser pin hit and then it'll start doing
<v Speaker 1>some stuff, and then I'll I'll greet it, say thank you,
<v Speaker 1>thank you, and then I start whistling. And the moment
<v Speaker 1>I start whistling, it doesn't seem thin. It just gets bright, aluminous,
<v Speaker 1>and it's everyone in the field is you know, well, wow,
<v Speaker 1>that's me Oh wow. It's like, come on, It's like,
<v Speaker 1>how how many times do you go up there and
<v Speaker 1>then have the same thing happen over and over and
<v Speaker 1>over without it being like you're not winning the lottery
<v Speaker 1>every time you go up there. Right, Just it seems conscious.
<v Speaker 1>It seems like there's a conscious entity to it. And
<v Speaker 1>I had to I had to hike up there myself
<v Speaker 1>just so just to get an idea of like what
<v Speaker 1>it all is, you know, like, well, it has to
<v Speaker 1>be cars or pikers or and you get up there,
<v Speaker 1>you get up to the last road, and you hike
<v Speaker 1>up on the ridgeline where the trees stop, and there's
<v Speaker 1>nothing there. It's just it's like bowl. There's the size
<v Speaker 1>of Volkswagen bugs as far as you can see, and
<v Speaker 1>there's no trails. There's minimal trails, But it's not somebody
<v Speaker 1>with stadium lighting pointing it down at the ranch every
<v Speaker 1>single night of the week on a clear night. It
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make sense.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what do you think.
<v Speaker 1>I think. I've been reading and researching, if you want
<v Speaker 1>to call it, that, a lot of other similar phenomenon
<v Speaker 1>and it happens about Shasta. I couldn't remember off the
<v Speaker 1>top of my head. But there's a couple other places
<v Speaker 1>along that corridor that it happens. And I've heard a
<v Speaker 1>lot of the native people say that there are ancient
<v Speaker 1>either ancient like spirits of the mountain, protectors of the mountain.
<v Speaker 1>But you never go up there at night because that's
<v Speaker 1>when people don't missing. So I don't know. I really
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm not giving up there at night. I
<v Speaker 1>went in there. I went up there at the daytime
<v Speaker 1>and it was amazing. But and then another good point
<v Speaker 1>is once you look down and see the lands from
<v Speaker 1>that that perspective, it just there's no way it's forst
<v Speaker 1>three people. First of all, for three people, I don't
<v Speaker 1>think it'll be up there at night. And then it's
<v Speaker 1>not the off road people, I would say, because it's
<v Speaker 1>like every single night, and that town is pretty small.
<v Speaker 1>There's not a lot going on out there, and it
<v Speaker 1>is kind of us forestry land. So I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell you what it is, but it seems
<v Speaker 1>to move around. It does move around. I have a
<v Speaker 1>video of it moving around. I have one video where
<v Speaker 1>it seems to be a beam of light is coming
<v Speaker 1>out of the side of one of them, and another
<v Speaker 1>source of light comes off of the first one, and
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. James also has videos and pictures of
<v Speaker 1>the classic saucer looking shaped discs zipping around up there,
<v Speaker 1>and black helicopters and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So do the light stay like a consistent color?
<v Speaker 1>They're that bright white like, right is the sun light color? Usually?
<v Speaker 1>I mean to the naked eye, they are when I
<v Speaker 1>zoomed the military grade goggles. What's kind of funny, I'll
<v Speaker 1>tell you those goggles don't zoom, so most of the
<v Speaker 1>videos you see on their YouTube and website, it's just
<v Speaker 1>at a wide pan from thirteen miles away. Well, I
<v Speaker 1>took the goggles and I had one of the volunteers
<v Speaker 1>helped me rest it on the lens of my iPad,
<v Speaker 1>and I zumed my iPad way in and you could
<v Speaker 1>see inside these balls of lights. It's different. In one
<v Speaker 1>shot it's multi colored that looks like blue and green
<v Speaker 1>and yellow lights like all within that ball at light
<v Speaker 1>and dancing around. I don't know. It's very strange, but
<v Speaker 1>it's up there every single time I go up there.
<v Speaker 1>And one of the lights this time that was different
<v Speaker 1>than all the other trips. It was way up on
<v Speaker 1>the ice cap in the middle of like the ice
<v Speaker 1>field or a snow field. It was summertime, so I
<v Speaker 1>was assuming the shia ice, like why would you climb
<v Speaker 1>up there? And it was in the middle of the snowfield,
<v Speaker 1>and then within a minute or two it reappeared at
<v Speaker 1>the bottom. And it's like the distance is at least
<v Speaker 1>a mile a mile and a half, you know, like,
<v Speaker 1>how did that light go from there to there at
<v Speaker 1>that elevation in the middle of snow and ice. It
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't make sense. It's not night skiers. And another
<v Speaker 1>funny part about that is that the ball of light
<v Speaker 1>in the ice field on the on the mountain didn't
<v Speaker 1>illuminate the snow or ice itself. So I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>is it is it a national natural phenomenon of some
<v Speaker 1>kind of ball energy thing going on because of what's
<v Speaker 1>inside of the mountain because it's a dormant or the
<v Speaker 1>mountain had blown and it's a lava field is where
<v Speaker 1>the ranch sits of pulling today. But I don't know
<v Speaker 1>when it blew. It's probably hundreds of years ago, because
<v Speaker 1>it looks it just looks natural now, you know.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean these kind of lights are seen on
<v Speaker 2>mountains all over the world.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, there was one video I taught recently, and
<v Speaker 1>it was in Mexico, But with all the AI stuff
<v Speaker 1>going on, I couldn't really tell if it was, you know,
<v Speaker 1>kind of messed with or and it didn't look anything
<v Speaker 1>like the stuff that I see up there either. This
<v Speaker 1>light in Mexico is like jumping across one valley to another.
<v Speaker 1>You can see the light cast across the mountains. I
<v Speaker 1>don't think that was the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>So, whenever you decided that you were going to make
<v Speaker 2>this pilgrimage to the ranch and every thing, what was
<v Speaker 2>that first trip like for you?
<v Speaker 1>If I remember, I remember, I was real nervous. First
<v Speaker 1>of all. I remember. I think I went with an
<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend. If I believe light, I remember. And since then,
<v Speaker 1>I've also met someone who who's been going there a
<v Speaker 1>lot longer than I have, and she, as it turns out,
<v Speaker 1>we've been friends for over a decade. She didn't ever
<v Speaker 1>tell me about this stuff that she goes up there,
<v Speaker 1>and she was she is the woman who had first
<v Speaker 1>set up the Galactic wheel and blessed it before they
<v Speaker 1>changed it the second time. And I was sitting with
<v Speaker 1>her one day having lunch, and she found out about
<v Speaker 1>this stuff with me and her, and she asked me, like,
<v Speaker 1>what what did you feel the first time you stepped
<v Speaker 1>onto the property? And the first time I remember it
<v Speaker 1>was just like a wash of this kind of cool,
<v Speaker 1>tingly energy from the nape of my neck down my spine,
<v Speaker 1>over my body. It was very apparent, and it was calming,
<v Speaker 1>and it was bizarre. I didn't expect that that happened
<v Speaker 1>when I got there, and then you check in and
<v Speaker 1>all the people are very nice and sweet. Me and
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend just they kind of leave you around and
<v Speaker 1>give you a small tour for your first time, and
<v Speaker 1>we just checked it out and it was a little peaceful.
<v Speaker 1>We had a really great time. We saw the lights,
<v Speaker 1>we did the radio show. It was it's kind of
<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. I know, it was everything I wanted to be,
<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't expecting it to be so real. It's like, wow,
<v Speaker 1>and this just happens all the time, Like we just
<v Speaker 1>showed up and then the things that they say happened
<v Speaker 1>happened on a clear night. Keeps out of mind because
<v Speaker 1>I've been up there during firewatch once and it was
<v Speaker 1>stick with smoke. You couldn't see the mountain. You can't
<v Speaker 1>see the mountain, can't You won't see those mysterious lights.
<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's the aerial stuff. The stuff's
<v Speaker 1>cruising around in space or the stratosphere or atmosphere of
<v Speaker 1>the ranch. Not all of it is SpaceX, not all
<v Speaker 1>of it is the iss or satellites. There's definitely things
<v Speaker 1>going on out there.
<v Speaker 2>Do you think those things are connected to the lights?
<v Speaker 1>I personally think maybe not. But then again, they have
<v Speaker 1>videos and photos of things like zipping off out of
<v Speaker 1>the mountain at like you know, light speed, So I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Maybe they cruise across there to refuel. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I really like to be kind of a
<v Speaker 1>skeptic in the sense of like figuring it out and
<v Speaker 1>trying to put sense into it, and a lot of
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't make sense.
<v Speaker 2>That's another reoccurring theme with these locations that seem to
<v Speaker 2>have this sort of ball of light for lack of
<v Speaker 2>a better word, energy associated with them. A lot of
<v Speaker 2>times UFOs are seen in the area, and a lot
<v Speaker 2>of times things are seen, like you're saying, apparently zipping
<v Speaker 2>in and out of the mountain itself. And that's something
<v Speaker 2>I've heard, you know, from multiple locations. Not just this
<v Speaker 2>one location that you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely, it seems to be in a lot of
<v Speaker 1>tribal lands typically I hear. I've got some friends that
<v Speaker 1>some tribesmen and local natives that they say the same
<v Speaker 1>thing down then, I think it's the Pendleton, Oregon area,
<v Speaker 1>just outside of there where they're Yeah, they don't know,
<v Speaker 1>they don't they know. I think they know what they
<v Speaker 1>don't know, you know, like it's above and beyond us.
<v Speaker 2>So trout Lake, what's going on there? Lots of weird
<v Speaker 2>stuff happens at trout Lake.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There there was once an older gentleman that lives
<v Speaker 1>in this neighboring town, Carson, who he was an old
<v Speaker 1>kind of just like an old mountain. Then from what
<v Speaker 1>I hear it, I guess he had something like seventy
<v Speaker 1>three written in a notepad accounts with Sasquatch up there.
<v Speaker 1>And so that was the first thing that top my
<v Speaker 1>ear was skimming the county Carson, and then trout Lake
<v Speaker 1>came into it. And I was in Carson in comedia
<v Speaker 1>doing that kind of stuff when I was younger. Well,
<v Speaker 1>once I got to trout Lake and just I don't know,
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the mountain to be honest, the feeling
<v Speaker 1>of it. It feels different there for some reason. It's
<v Speaker 1>there's volcanic tubes and natural farming geology all over there.
<v Speaker 1>Up near Goose Lake there's the old volcanic tube Native
<v Speaker 1>Ice Cave that the natives used to store all their
<v Speaker 1>their goods in the winter because it's it's it is
<v Speaker 1>so freezing pold in that cave. If you walk down
<v Speaker 1>there with the T shirt and source in the summer,
<v Speaker 1>you'll be shivering within ten minutes and want to get
<v Speaker 1>the heck out of there. It's just interesting that there's
<v Speaker 1>a lot a lot going on. I think, I think,
<v Speaker 1>I think there must be some kind of energy well
<v Speaker 1>of vortex or whatever it may be connected to that mountain.
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely, it's definitely, definitely has a totally different feeling
<v Speaker 1>of like tranquility, energy, calmness. It's very different there.
<v Speaker 2>What's some of the things that you've experienced there.
<v Speaker 1>It's mostly I guess at the SETI, like the other
<v Speaker 1>gentleman was talking, that's where I seem to see the
<v Speaker 1>most phenomenon, hear the most stuff. I talked to that
<v Speaker 1>strange gentleman that same weekend before that event that was
<v Speaker 1>speaking of synchronicity. He was talking about he was once
<v Speaker 1>related or his mom was. I can't remember all the
<v Speaker 1>details specifically, but I had to do with Indiana, Abraham Lincoln,
<v Speaker 1>a certain street he was born on. His mother worked
<v Speaker 1>for the family. He believes he's like a reincarnate of
<v Speaker 1>the Abraham lineage, and he was. He was very strange
<v Speaker 1>and came to my campsite and in the night he
<v Speaker 1>had this this tumor or this growth thing that made
<v Speaker 1>him look kind of, you know, not so easy on
<v Speaker 1>the eyes. And he saw my son and my nephew
<v Speaker 1>with me. They we're also at that Trout Lake Bigfoot encounter.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'd like to talk about at some point.
<v Speaker 1>Then they could tell you about what happened that this
<v Speaker 1>old man came up to the camp camp light after
<v Speaker 1>my son and my nephew had gone to sleep, because
<v Speaker 1>he he didn't want to startle them, but he wanted
<v Speaker 1>to talk to talk to me and told me all
<v Speaker 1>about synchronicity and this and that that was that was bizarre.
<v Speaker 1>I kind of look into some of that, some of
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. James Yellow and talked about it
<v Speaker 1>last time I was up there. Actually one gentleman from
<v Speaker 1>Utah that was there on the retreat was talking to
<v Speaker 1>me about a vision that made a vision that he
<v Speaker 1>had had while he was there that manifested back home
<v Speaker 1>when he got home with his daughter, his daughters saw
<v Speaker 1>it and this and that, and you know, when they're
<v Speaker 1>hearing these things from people you don't know who just
<v Speaker 1>opened and eager to come up and talk to you
<v Speaker 1>in this sacred place or you know, spiritual land, it's
<v Speaker 1>just it's kind of just a lot to take in.
<v Speaker 1>But then that evening I went to sleep and I
<v Speaker 1>had what would someone tell it lucid dream, which now
<v Speaker 1>I think is definitely some kind of vision of a
<v Speaker 1>bumblebee that just appeared like coming out of my sleeve
<v Speaker 1>onto my hand, walked to the tip of my finger,
<v Speaker 1>and I just looked at this bumblebee and I was like, hey, friend,
<v Speaker 1>you know I must know you or something. What you know?
<v Speaker 1>How like what do you need from me? Or how
<v Speaker 1>can I help you? Whatever? And then I just woke up.
<v Speaker 1>And then the very next morning we got to check
<v Speaker 1>out and leave leave camp, and I'm going to take
<v Speaker 1>my nephew and my son to the Wasshego Rivers and
<v Speaker 1>Be's some swimming in one of our family swimming holes
<v Speaker 1>that we like to go to, and this bumblebee climbs
<v Speaker 1>out of a towel that was in between my son
<v Speaker 1>and my nephew in the backseat, and my son says,
<v Speaker 1>freaking out, Dad, Dad, there's a dad. I look back
<v Speaker 1>and the same exact bumble bee is just sitting on
<v Speaker 1>the towel in the center, just camas can be And
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bar no, stop, stop, you got it. It's
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. It's just a bumblebe. It's like a little
<v Speaker 1>teddy bear. They don't even sting or bite or anything.
<v Speaker 1>Just he's just warming up, just chilling. Just leave him alone.
<v Speaker 1>And he sat there with my son for at least
<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes. As we drove to the fishing bowl,
<v Speaker 1>everyone got out of the car. I put down my hand.
<v Speaker 1>A little bumblebee crawls right into my hand and onto
<v Speaker 1>my finger, and I'm like, de what I go? I
<v Speaker 1>don't know who you are, but I don't know. I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what this is about. But it's nice to
<v Speaker 1>meet you. I hope you I hope you have a
<v Speaker 1>good day. And I just took put my finger out
<v Speaker 1>to this fir tree and he climbed out of the
<v Speaker 1>fur tree and I stood there with him, and I'm pondering,
<v Speaker 1>like what is going on right now? But I'm also
<v Speaker 1>watching my family play and you know, the swimming whole
<v Speaker 1>life played in as a child, and it just felt good.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it didn't scare me. It was just
<v Speaker 1>like what is what the heck? Yeah, that in all
<v Speaker 1>all three of those things, the big Foot encounter is
<v Speaker 1>I took my son and my nephew initially up to
<v Speaker 1>a SETI to camp because of that encounter. Well not
<v Speaker 1>because of the encounter, but I wanted to take him
<v Speaker 1>to Trout Lake because there was a there's a report
<v Speaker 1>or a sighting one month prior that was posted on
<v Speaker 1>a different Northwest Bigfoot podcast. The guy doesn't do it anymore,
<v Speaker 1>but he posted it and I was like, oh, Trout Lake.
<v Speaker 1>I know where Trout Lakes, said, I go through a
<v Speaker 1>CETI you know, let's go, let's go check it out.
<v Speaker 1>There was just a sighting. So we went out there
<v Speaker 1>just to get the kids out and have some fun.
<v Speaker 1>And you're fishing in the lake. So I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if any of the listeners have been to Trout lake,
<v Speaker 1>but where you park is tiny. The lake is only
<v Speaker 1>something like me to thigh high all the way across.
<v Speaker 1>To my knowledge, I tried to walk across it and
<v Speaker 1>has never gotten deeper. And the trail that runs along
<v Speaker 1>the lake that eventually runs into the it's like a
<v Speaker 1>Christian camp or a koa or something like that. It's
<v Speaker 1>only maybe maybe just over a quarter mile maybe half
<v Speaker 1>a mile long total. And so I take my nephew,
<v Speaker 1>who's seventeen at the time, and my son, who was
<v Speaker 1>nine at the time, down the trail. I assume the
<v Speaker 1>lake stretched out at the end of the trail because
<v Speaker 1>where you park it it's just not very doesn't look
<v Speaker 1>very fishible. The waters really shot up. So we're walking
<v Speaker 1>along the trail and then I'm doing my best to
<v Speaker 1>kind of educate the kids on like let's let's do
<v Speaker 1>some tracking, like let's look for deer tracks or you know,
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get them into the big footing. So
<v Speaker 1>initially I start being trees bent over the trail, but
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of like loose leafy trees. I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's the snow is bending the things over the trail.
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing trees snapped and I'm finding foraging trails for
<v Speaker 1>mushroom hunters and deer tracks and me and the kids
<v Speaker 1>are getting into it. And then then my son points
<v Speaker 1>out this big prince. It's a print, and Dad, Dad,
<v Speaker 1>check this out. Dad, look at this, it's big food.
<v Speaker 1>I was like no, no. I'm like, that's why we're here.
<v Speaker 1>But I'm like, no, man, And then I I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>at it, and then of course I pick some of
<v Speaker 1>the bigger leaves out of the shape of it. I'm like, well,
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking for the second track and I'm not
<v Speaker 1>seeing it, but I'm seeing a tree about five or
<v Speaker 1>six feet from the track, and then up on the
<v Speaker 1>tree in the bark, about six and a half to
<v Speaker 1>seven feet up on the tree, all the bark, in
<v Speaker 1>the shape of like a serving platter, is torn off
<v Speaker 1>this tree. And I'm like, huh, well, it's kind of
<v Speaker 1>tall for like a deer rut. It's way up there,
<v Speaker 1>and why would they do it on a steep bank
<v Speaker 1>of a So I'm like bear like, there's no claw marks,
<v Speaker 1>and all the sine from the barks is on the ground,
<v Speaker 1>fresh and white, like it just happened maybe within a
<v Speaker 1>day half day. I'm messing with the sinew the fibers
<v Speaker 1>and playing with it. I'm like, man, this, I'm looking
<v Speaker 1>at the track. I'm like this, what is going on?
<v Speaker 1>So I take I took my shoe off, put it
<v Speaker 1>next to the track, Go to take a picture. Do
<v Speaker 1>my due diligence. Make sure you know, I gotta get
<v Speaker 1>some photos. I got a picture the trees. I was
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of stuff. I managed to find the track print,
<v Speaker 1>but all the other photos are on the old camera.
<v Speaker 1>I got to dig up somewhere. And as I'm putting
<v Speaker 1>my shoe on, and I'm standing there and I'm looking around,
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm just my senses are going. So I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>what's going I hear something up on the little ridge.
<v Speaker 1>It's only it's like right ahead of us. And at
<v Speaker 1>first I thought I was hearing a distant helicopter like
<v Speaker 1>coming over this ridgeline at a distance. Because I heard
<v Speaker 1>that's what it. That's what it sounded like, the very
<v Speaker 1>soft And I looked at my nephew, and my nephew goes,
<v Speaker 1>did you hear that? I was like, I'm like, fuck, okay, fuck,
<v Speaker 1>uh So he heard whatever it was. I heard it.
<v Speaker 1>It didn't think it was what it was because it
<v Speaker 1>was so subtle and soft. And then right when I
<v Speaker 1>look at him and say, yeah, what do you think
<v Speaker 1>it is? I could even get the whole sentence out,
<v Speaker 1>and then it did it again, and it was definitely
<v Speaker 1>not what I thought it was, and it was. It
<v Speaker 1>was a growl and it was the deepest, most guttural
<v Speaker 1>that who that turned that got louder, so it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>so like the clicks in the throat were tighter this time,
<v Speaker 1>so it was more of a like just I can't
<v Speaker 1>make I can't make the sound because it's to it's difficult.
<v Speaker 1>It was low. It sounded almost similar to like that
<v Speaker 1>when a crocodile does that weird hoick and he printy thing.
<v Speaker 1>And it was so deep, it was so like the
<v Speaker 1>octaves were so deep, and it was growling. It was
<v Speaker 1>a growl, clearly. And then I looked at my nephew
<v Speaker 1>and he looks at me and his pupils do the thing.
<v Speaker 1>My hair stands up. I got goose bumps. I grabbed
<v Speaker 1>him and I grabbed my son by their shirts and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, go and we start going towards I go,
<v Speaker 1>go that way right now. So we started going towards
<v Speaker 1>the campground, because you can hear kids playing, people making noise,
<v Speaker 1>and you can see the clearing like, you know, forty
<v Speaker 1>to fifty feet down the trail, like let's go, let's go, go, go,
<v Speaker 1>as if whatever this is going to do something, we're
<v Speaker 1>going to be within earshadow of human beings. So let's go.
<v Speaker 1>And so we start moving and I'm just lo looking back,
<v Speaker 1>looking back, looking back, and so this also the sound
<v Speaker 1>that was coming at us was right in front of us,
<v Speaker 1>but there was nothing there. It wasn't over the ridge.
<v Speaker 1>The ridge was the little ridge line was about. Because
<v Speaker 1>I went back there a few months ago to face
<v Speaker 1>my fears and kind of figure it all out, and
<v Speaker 1>that didn't work. I'll go into that the ridge line
<v Speaker 1>was only about thirty thirty yards away, so if it
<v Speaker 1>was on the other side, the sound wouldn't hit my ears.
<v Speaker 1>If it was on this side, I would see it
<v Speaker 1>because the trees were about eight to ten feet apart.
<v Speaker 1>In this part of the hillside. There's no underbrush or
<v Speaker 1>scrub brushers. It's just pine needles. So these trees pine
<v Speaker 1>needles in a hill line, and so when it's growling
<v Speaker 1>at us, it was right in front of us, but
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing, nothing there, and so it's terrifying enough as
<v Speaker 1>it is, but then there's nothing there, but it's there,
<v Speaker 1>but it's nothing there. So we go. We get to
<v Speaker 1>the edge of the creek that feeds the lake and
<v Speaker 1>we get in the tree like, out of the tree line,
<v Speaker 1>into this clearing. And then I don't want to scare
<v Speaker 1>Baron because he didn't hear the sound the growl. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>we're just fishing. Let's go, let's go fishing. Well, my
<v Speaker 1>nephew heard it. I heard it. So me and my
<v Speaker 1>nephew are trying to fish this creek with Baron to
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I'm looking into this hollow where the
<v Speaker 1>the trail starts of the tree line is and I'm
<v Speaker 1>just waiting for something to come out of there. I'm like,
<v Speaker 1>and then about fifteen twenty minutes goes by and our
<v Speaker 1>nerves had kind of calmed down. Nothing that happened, like
<v Speaker 1>all right, well, and then mosquitos started hitting us and
<v Speaker 1>the sun's like barely sitting I'm like, all right, well,
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going through there in the dark, and I
<v Speaker 1>think it just wanted us to leave, and we left.
<v Speaker 1>So well, we got to get back to the car.
<v Speaker 1>So I tell my nephew, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go.
<v Speaker 1>You go in front a baron you keep them between
<v Speaker 1>me and you, and I'm going to be behind you.
<v Speaker 1>And let's go and make make it quick. Don't run,
<v Speaker 1>let's go. And so we're moving and we're moving. And
<v Speaker 1>so where this was was on the top side of
<v Speaker 1>the trail and it's about I don't know, I'd say
<v Speaker 1>it's about like a thirty five degree declined to the
<v Speaker 1>lake as we go up the trail. So then we're
<v Speaker 1>going up the trail, we get to the area where
<v Speaker 1>the thing thing was, the graul was, and I'm just
<v Speaker 1>evil eyeing this area. I'm like, nothing better happen, nothing
<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. And there's nothing there. And I saw between
<v Speaker 1>all the trees and like out there's nothing behind any
<v Speaker 1>of these trees, and this thing when if it is
<v Speaker 1>a fast watch, these trees are only a foot wide,
<v Speaker 1>maybe fifteen sixteen inches some of them, unless it's really skinny,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So we get passed. We get just
<v Speaker 1>passed where it's growling at us. And now there's something
<v Speaker 1>downhill in the creek crashing the bushes splashing in the creek,
<v Speaker 1>making all this racket. Clearly it wants to be known
<v Speaker 1>and seen, or wants us to be No, it's there.
<v Speaker 1>And then I stop and get my phone out and
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing the thing. And then my nephew has my
<v Speaker 1>son by the hand, and I'm like, I'm gonna get
<v Speaker 1>this on video. I'm gonna get to some video. I'm
<v Speaker 1>get this on video. I take my camera out. It's
<v Speaker 1>splashing and crashing and do all this stuff, and I'm
<v Speaker 1>and it's this sound once again, is thirty feet away,
<v Speaker 1>and it's right in front of me, in the in
<v Speaker 1>the thick of this bushes in the creek. And so
<v Speaker 1>I let go of my kid's hand. I take like
<v Speaker 1>three steps and I turned my video on on my
<v Speaker 1>phone and it goes silent the second I clicked for nothing.
<v Speaker 1>And then my son is behind me, going, Dad, Dad,
<v Speaker 1>can we go? I want to go? Can we go? Dead?
<v Speaker 1>I want to go. I want to go home. And
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, jeez, all right, yeah. So I turned it
<v Speaker 1>off and I looked at the video. There's there's nothing,
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing. Put the phone in my pocket, grab the kid,
<v Speaker 1>we get the heck out of there. I'm so kind
<v Speaker 1>of shook it up. Like I remember backing into this
<v Speaker 1>big gass rock kind of crunched the inside of my
<v Speaker 1>finger a little bit. Getting out of there, I was like,
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't not care fighting that rock
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And that was the beginning of the day
<v Speaker 1>before we checked into a city institute, and then all
<v Speaker 1>that other weird stuff happened later. It was a big day.
<v Speaker 1>That's why I was so compelled then to message you
<v Speaker 1>after during the episode one seventy, I was like, oh, okay,
<v Speaker 1>well it's not just me.
<v Speaker 2>That's so obviously there's a lot of stuff that happens
<v Speaker 2>around this area.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, in all the locals that I thought to
<v Speaker 1>say the same thing.
<v Speaker 2>Why do you have all these different types of phenomenon
<v Speaker 2>taking place in kind of the same area like this.
<v Speaker 1>I think that the Bigfoot thing, now, I was. I
<v Speaker 1>was fully boots from the ground, as they say about
<v Speaker 1>it being you know, kind of like I'll just say
<v Speaker 1>something cheesy, is I'm sure the listeners will like it,
<v Speaker 1>Like if it bleeds, we can kill.
<v Speaker 3>It, right, I can't be stopped.
<v Speaker 1>So I was I was like, you know, all this
<v Speaker 1>stuff's happened. I'm going to figure it out too. I'm
<v Speaker 1>going to put my point into the piggy whatever, right
<v Speaker 1>and so, but w apple was growling and I can't
<v Speaker 1>see it and splashing and I can't see it. And
<v Speaker 1>so when I went back up there in May with
<v Speaker 1>my friend this year so that he has a pit
<v Speaker 1>bull that I used to be roommates with him. We're
<v Speaker 1>dear friends. I love his old pit bull, his old
<v Speaker 1>pit bull, Bubba, so I know Bubba would do us right.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, can you please go with me and fred
<v Speaker 1>Buffa to the place. I don't want to go along,
<v Speaker 1>I really don't. And so we went there and I'm
<v Speaker 1>explaining to him the same thing I just said, and
<v Speaker 1>nothing happened. But I stood in that spot where it
<v Speaker 1>was happening, and I was just I always wanted to
<v Speaker 1>look up in the trees. I never looked up, and
<v Speaker 1>then I literally did a raspberry with my mouth and
<v Speaker 1>I looked up. I was like, yeah, right, it wasn't
<v Speaker 1>up in the trees. There's no branches all the way
<v Speaker 1>up there, and the trees are so skinny up at
<v Speaker 1>the top. There's no way I was up there. And
<v Speaker 1>the sound wasn't up there. It was right here, there's
<v Speaker 1>nowhere for a sound a growl that deep. Even if
<v Speaker 1>it was some animal that is unbeknownst to me. It's
<v Speaker 1>not bigfoot. It would have been big enough to couldn't
<v Speaker 1>hide behind one of these trees, is no way. And
<v Speaker 1>so then we walked to the area where where by
<v Speaker 1>the creek, and then I walked back, and then I
<v Speaker 1>walked over to that area as we're leaving where the
<v Speaker 1>scrub brush it was on the side of the creek
<v Speaker 1>where I think it was in this cluster of bushes,
<v Speaker 1>and at this time of year, there's no leaves on
<v Speaker 1>the trees in the bushes. So I was standing in
<v Speaker 1>the same position where it was making the noise in
<v Speaker 1>the creek and looking where it was, and it was
<v Speaker 1>right there, like it was so close, but because it
<v Speaker 1>granted the bushes with it. But I was doing that,
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like the chicken head thing, moving
<v Speaker 1>my head around, trying to get the light through the
<v Speaker 1>bushes to be a darker in one spot. There's just
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see anything. But then, as you have, you
<v Speaker 1>already know something else happened. Right at that moment when
<v Speaker 1>I started, I'm like, okay, well I didn't get any answers.
<v Speaker 1>So I just started walking the trail back to the truck.
<v Speaker 1>And then right after we leave the area that it
<v Speaker 1>all happened. That you can't hear the creek ripple anymore,
<v Speaker 1>you can't hear the wind rustle softly through the trees,
<v Speaker 1>you can't hear the birds trup anymore, and it went
<v Speaker 1>full on recording studio, dead dead, dead silent. I was like, oh,
<v Speaker 1>oh man, and I just stopped because I'm not gonna move.
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna use my ears and my senses. And
<v Speaker 1>then my friend walked up with Bubba. Bubba's not alerted,
<v Speaker 1>so I'm not too alerted. But then I go, do
<v Speaker 1>you notice anything? And he goes, yeah, it's it's so
<v Speaker 1>quiet right here. I go, yeah, we should probably right now.
<v Speaker 1>I go, this is the type of stuff that happens
<v Speaker 1>before the next thing happens. He goes, oh, okay, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>let's get out of here. So we just we just left,
<v Speaker 1>and then I gave them a nice warm of thanks
<v Speaker 1>for not scaring the crap out of my friends again,
<v Speaker 1>and I left. So the next step is to go alone,
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know when that's gonna happen, but eventually
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just think, I think, because there's
<v Speaker 1>so much of that WU factor stuff that I've even
<v Speaker 1>experienced some of it, that I think that what's going
<v Speaker 1>on up in Mount Adams and all of that phenomenon
<v Speaker 1>is just I would have to just speculate and go
<v Speaker 1>as far out on a limb as to say it's
<v Speaker 1>some kind of multi dimens thing that we don't have
<v Speaker 1>the cognitive sense to be able to be a part of.
<v Speaker 1>If you, if anybody ever goes up to a city
<v Speaker 1>and does any of the work up there and talks
<v Speaker 1>to change or does any of the the things up there,
<v Speaker 1>they talk about multi dimensional in this ascension theory quite
<v Speaker 1>a lot, so he's he might be the guy to
<v Speaker 1>ask those questions too, but he'll give you a bible's
<v Speaker 1>worth of information of answers.
<v Speaker 2>So I just don't even know how to begin to
<v Speaker 2>unpack this stuff. I agree about, you know, something clearly
<v Speaker 2>energy based that we can't perceive for some reason until
<v Speaker 2>it hits spectrums that we can you know, see visibly
<v Speaker 2>or hear. And there's just so many of these locations
<v Speaker 2>where it just seems like a concentration of just every
<v Speaker 2>thing weird is going on at the same time exactly.
<v Speaker 1>I feel so lucky to live so close to the spot.
<v Speaker 1>Very fortunately. I take friends up there, and most most
<v Speaker 1>of them are just just like You're like, even when
<v Speaker 1>I show them like this, see you go, yeah, I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I just I don't know what that is.
<v Speaker 1>They can't wrap their head around it, even when it's
<v Speaker 1>right there. It's very mysterious.
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's so many times that, you know, I've experienced this.
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to so many people that have experienced it.
<v Speaker 2>People talk about, especially in bigfoot stuff, running into a
<v Speaker 2>wall where you're just moving forward and then all of
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, it's like you hit this invisible wall and
<v Speaker 2>everything's different and the atmosphere changes and you can't take
<v Speaker 2>another step forward.
<v Speaker 3>You're terrified whatever.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's almost like how you were talking about
<v Speaker 2>everything going quiet. It's almost like you walk into something
<v Speaker 2>that was streams.
<v Speaker 1>That never happened to me in all of my camping.
<v Speaker 1>And do you know, I used to do a lot
<v Speaker 1>of the wood knock and WHOOPII do stuff, and I
<v Speaker 1>don't do that anymore because you don't need to think.
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, they just find you if you
<v Speaker 1>want him to find you. They'll find me, right, And
<v Speaker 1>I think some of that intention as well. They don't
<v Speaker 1>want to find everybody. But yeah, when it happened, I
<v Speaker 1>heard like I remember looking at the creek and hearing
<v Speaker 1>the creek, and then not hearing the creek. I've been
<v Speaker 1>hunting and fishing with. My father is since passed, but
<v Speaker 1>my whole life. And also keep keep in mind a
<v Speaker 1>little fun fact. My dad was my dad's Lakota Sue.
<v Speaker 1>I have a certain degree of Lakota Sue blood. He
<v Speaker 1>was raised on the reservation for a period of time.
<v Speaker 1>He taught me a lot about all of that stuff
<v Speaker 1>through spoken word, and I don't maybe I'm attracting that stuff.
<v Speaker 3>Do you think that some people do.
<v Speaker 1>I definitely do think some people do, for sure. Some
<v Speaker 1>of the people I've met up there at the City Institute, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>they're different for sure.
<v Speaker 2>What you're talking about, like everything going quiet, I mean
<v Speaker 2>there's times when you're out in the woods and something
<v Speaker 2>alerts the wildlife of your presence, or a predator enters
<v Speaker 2>the area and you may not even see it. It
<v Speaker 2>could just be a dog or a cat or something,
<v Speaker 2>and everything goes quiet. The insects stop, the birds stop,
<v Speaker 2>everything goes quiet like you're talking about. However, creeks don't
<v Speaker 2>stop running.
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. That's the thing that was weird. Because
<v Speaker 1>I heard the creek, and because I was listening, I
<v Speaker 1>was once again on high alert listening and sensing, and
<v Speaker 1>with all the tracking experience and hunting and talking experience
<v Speaker 1>that I had as a young man with my father, like,
<v Speaker 1>I'm paying in a little gemitism, I'm paying close attention
<v Speaker 1>to stuff. And yeah, I was staring right at the
<v Speaker 1>creek and not hearing the creek, and it wasn't that
<v Speaker 1>far away. That's why I was like, oh, oh, this
<v Speaker 1>is different. That's why I just stopped. I wasn't afraid
<v Speaker 1>to keep moving. I just stopped so I could keep listening.
<v Speaker 1>And that's when my friend walked up. My friend was
<v Speaker 1>probably fifteen keet behind me, so it only took a
<v Speaker 1>few seconds for him to walk up. And then I
<v Speaker 1>definitely asked first. I didn't let him sing anything first,
<v Speaker 1>just because I wanted him to if he didn't notice,
<v Speaker 1>I wanted him to notice, like Katie, he knows anything, yes, yes, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>it's really really you can't hear anything. It's so quiet.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yep, we gotta go. Time to go.
<v Speaker 2>There is another guy I had on the podcast a
<v Speaker 2>while back. It's been a long time, and he was
<v Speaker 2>out hunting and he had an encounter where at first,
<v Speaker 2>if I remember, he heard something kind of paralleling him,
<v Speaker 2>and then ultimately what happened was something screamed at him,
<v Speaker 2>screamed slash roared. He compared it. He was like, it
<v Speaker 2>was the loudest vocalization.
<v Speaker 3>I've ever heard.
<v Speaker 2>Like it made my ears ring. It was so loud,
<v Speaker 2>and it was right in front of him and he
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see anything.
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, exactly.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, there's no where this thing could have been hiding.
<v Speaker 2>It was so close that it you know, it was
<v Speaker 2>literally rattling me as it roared. Yeah, there's no cover
<v Speaker 2>of any kind. I mean it's right there. I know
<v Speaker 2>it's right there, and I'm looking all over and there's
<v Speaker 2>just nothing there.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure he's in a state of Chakler's eyes
<v Speaker 1>are wide.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he's hunting. He's hunting. He's he's on full alert,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it definitely changed his life. But yeah,
<v Speaker 2>there's these reports like you're talking about, like the same
<v Speaker 2>exact thing that you experienced where there's something right there
<v Speaker 2>making noise, but you just you can't see it.
<v Speaker 1>I tattooed a woman a few weeks ago. She'll actually
<v Speaker 1>be listening to this. I mentioned that we were going
<v Speaker 1>to have an interview. She had an encounter at Mount
<v Speaker 1>Adams at Goose Lake, or near Goose Lake, she said,
<v Speaker 1>at the elk camp, or her family elk camps in
<v Speaker 1>the winter, but they were camping in the summer for
<v Speaker 1>fun and having family times around the bonfire. She said
<v Speaker 1>that they heard a fresh evergreen tree go down near them,
<v Speaker 1>like snap, snap, buckled pal you know, like not dead,
<v Speaker 1>and it got pushed or fell directly over the road
<v Speaker 1>that leads into that camp, the only road in. And
<v Speaker 1>so the men in the family, she said, well, we
<v Speaker 1>gotta go see what that was, and they said they
<v Speaker 1>went and found it, and sure enough, it's a fully
<v Speaker 1>alive tree, snapped and pushed over that the whole road.
<v Speaker 1>Luckily they had chainsaws and saws and stuff to get up.
<v Speaker 1>But then that's beside the point. Then, they said the
<v Speaker 1>men alerted other people and said that they saw eye
<v Speaker 1>shine up in the tree, up behind a tree in
<v Speaker 1>the in the tree line, and she said, she looks
<v Speaker 1>she said she couldn't see anything. She wasn't seeing whatever
<v Speaker 1>they were seeing. But she's she said that they swear
<v Speaker 1>that they saw eyes big guys up in the tree
<v Speaker 1>right after that occurrence. So I don't know. There's just
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff like that that happens up there.
<v Speaker 1>Another guy I talked to through a different channel, he's
<v Speaker 1>a local fish and wildlife game warden for the local
<v Speaker 1>fisheries and stuff. He said he was out doing some
<v Speaker 1>They send them out to do some kind of I
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is, field work sometimes in remote locations,
<v Speaker 1>and he said he saw a large harry seven to
<v Speaker 1>eight foot upright walking thing. He said, he got into
<v Speaker 1>this area near this creek and he startled it and
<v Speaker 1>it stood up and walked off through the brush. And
<v Speaker 1>this guy works for the fishery department. So I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>There's so many stories up here of that stuff going on.
<v Speaker 1>There's something going on.
<v Speaker 2>Do you hear a lot of stories like your tattoo shop.
<v Speaker 1>I ask anybody that if we can get into certain
<v Speaker 1>knowledge about stuff or certain you know, if they're a hunter, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>if I basically ask them questions about themselves to try
<v Speaker 1>to kind of distract them from the process because it
<v Speaker 1>helps a lot, you know, as I get to know people,
<v Speaker 1>if they say anything about they fish a lot, hunt
<v Speaker 1>a lot, el elk camp up in the mountains, blah
<v Speaker 1>blah blah, I'm definitely asking them, and I a lot
<v Speaker 1>of them say no, A lot of some of them
<v Speaker 1>say yeah, they've heard some wild screams in the woods.
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't tell, but that could you know, there's there's
<v Speaker 1>certain animals like mountain lion scream, certain I think certain
<v Speaker 1>owl screams can kind of certainly sound spooky in the night,
<v Speaker 1>but you can tell them apart.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then if they're getting like a big foot tattoo,
<v Speaker 2>I would assume that, Oh.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love the big Foot. These for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Do you hear any dog man stories?
<v Speaker 1>No, nuts, No, No, I'm always curious about that happening
<v Speaker 1>in this area. Like I think I've heard of one
<v Speaker 1>or two on different channels maybe, but I haven't heard
<v Speaker 1>a person specifically say they had encountered anything like that
<v Speaker 1>in this area.
<v Speaker 2>I know people are going to leave comments and correct
<v Speaker 2>me on this, but you don't hear many dog man
<v Speaker 2>stories from the Pacific Northwest?
<v Speaker 1>No, No, you're absolutely right.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But like Mount Adams and Mount Shasta both. There's
<v Speaker 2>just so much weird stuff going on in so much
<v Speaker 2>history involving the mountains themselves.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been to Mount Shasty yet. A friend of
<v Speaker 1>mine that's been there says he sees similar things that
<v Speaker 1>are on Mount Adams, because I brought him up there
<v Speaker 1>to Mount Adams to show him my version, and he
<v Speaker 1>was saying, they're very similar. The phenomenon, that light phenomenon, Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>who Yeah, it could be natural, but it doesn't. It
<v Speaker 1>just does not seem to fall into the natural category
<v Speaker 1>with me when it comes to all the times that
<v Speaker 1>I've been there where it's when you talk to it,
<v Speaker 1>it's always when you vocalize towards it, it responds. Me
<v Speaker 1>and me and a few friends were up there. It
<v Speaker 1>was the same weekend that you aired one seventy eight.
<v Speaker 1>It was that weekend I had. I heard a friend
<v Speaker 1>of mine, childhood friend of mine up there and him
<v Speaker 1>and his wife and yeah, we it was just the
<v Speaker 1>four of us. I think up there that like no
<v Speaker 1>one and no one was camping. It's just us, and
<v Speaker 1>the lights were only responding when we were like having
<v Speaker 1>our own conversations and being jovial and laughing and telling
<v Speaker 1>funny stories. Then the lights would go off and it'll
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, oh, here they are, here they are.
<v Speaker 1>Then we'd stop talking, and then it'll stop and we
<v Speaker 1>just wait and nothing happened. And then eventually somebody would
<v Speaker 1>say something that would lead to another and we start
<v Speaker 1>laughing again. In the boom, it's all back twinkling on
<v Speaker 1>the mountain again when we're laughing then, and then even
<v Speaker 1>my friend's wife was say, it only does that when
<v Speaker 1>we're all talking and laughing. It's pretty strange.
<v Speaker 3>Buddy of mind.
<v Speaker 2>Actually, the artist that did my logo art, Jonathan Dodd,
<v Speaker 2>shout out to the Dodd Brothers. He experienced he saw
<v Speaker 2>some strange lights and basically the exact opposite side of
<v Speaker 2>the United States.
<v Speaker 3>From where you're at.
<v Speaker 2>With some other people, and he was talking about how
<v Speaker 2>these weird or black lights seemed to have intelligence and
<v Speaker 2>consciousness to them as well and was responding to their actions.
<v Speaker 2>It seems to be sort of with some of the
<v Speaker 2>witnesses with these type of lights having some sort of
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, reaction, like an actual reaction and response
<v Speaker 2>to the people observing them at the time, which I
<v Speaker 2>how would that even work? I mean, because you're seeing
<v Speaker 2>these things, how far away are they when you're looking
<v Speaker 2>at them?
<v Speaker 3>If you had to.
<v Speaker 1>Guess exactly the lights on not Adams are exactly thirteen
<v Speaker 1>miles away from where we stand in the field at
<v Speaker 1>James's property. That's why I had to climb up there
<v Speaker 1>and figure it out.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's nuts, Yeah, I mean, first off, I
<v Speaker 2>don't even understand how something thirteen miles away could somehow
<v Speaker 2>respond to you. But then let's look at it from
<v Speaker 2>the skeptical perspective. Let's say that somebody's just up on
<v Speaker 2>the mountain messing with you. How would they know what
<v Speaker 2>you're saying and what you're doing thirteen miles away?
<v Speaker 1>And even if you were to manage to get a
<v Speaker 1>drone or something with a brighten the light would have
<v Speaker 1>to be bright enough. Think about shining a flashlight thirteen
<v Speaker 1>miles away as someone and how that would look, Or
<v Speaker 1>putting the brightest light bar on your canopy and then
<v Speaker 1>shining it thirteen miles and then calling someone being like, hey,
<v Speaker 1>can you see me? And flashing it. What's the likelihood
<v Speaker 1>you could even see it? And then what's the likelihood
<v Speaker 1>it would be? It definitely would not be as bright
<v Speaker 1>as what we're seeing up there. These lights are so
<v Speaker 1>bright to the naked eye thirteen miles away. It has
<v Speaker 1>to be some kind of massive amount of energy. And
<v Speaker 1>the strangest part is is that light that was in
<v Speaker 1>the ice patch, the snow patch. If anything that right
<v Speaker 1>was being illuminated up there, you would think it would
<v Speaker 1>light up that entire spats of snow because it is
<v Speaker 1>white in the night time, you know, But it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>do that. It's just it doesn't do that. It's almost
<v Speaker 1>like it's its own energy source that doesn't cast physical
<v Speaker 1>light in its realm, if that makes any kind of sense.
<v Speaker 2>Not at all, you know, but I know what you mean, like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's so weird.
<v Speaker 1>That's just kind of stuff that you think think it's
<v Speaker 1>something else. It's not natural.
<v Speaker 2>And it's like traversing across mountainous territory just smoothly without
<v Speaker 2>any problems, huge distances at a time. And it's been
<v Speaker 2>going on forever.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, forever. Why aren't the what's that place, the Skinwalker Ranch?
<v Speaker 1>Why aren't those guys up there now, Adams, it's every
<v Speaker 1>night you have to you have to shoot stuff in
<v Speaker 1>the air and do all this weird techno geek crap
<v Speaker 1>to like figure it out. It's just there. I dare
<v Speaker 1>then just freaking go up there in the night time
<v Speaker 1>and figure it out. I really appreciate it. Yeah. I've
<v Speaker 1>been wanting to tell some of these stories, but no
<v Speaker 1>one seemed to reach out, And this is the perfect opportunity.
<v Speaker 1>So I thank you very much.
<v Speaker 2>Synchronicity man. Oh one more thing. Uh, I didn't like
<v Speaker 2>ask you if you wanted to, like, you know, say
<v Speaker 2>your name or whatever, but like, if you want to
<v Speaker 2>shout out your tattoo shop.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, for sure, dragon Fly Tattoo Vancouver, Washington can
<v Speaker 1>get a big Foot tattoo or alien tattoo or whatever.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Whatever.
<v Speaker 2>If you've had your own encounter with bigfoot, strange lights,
<v Speaker 2>or something else you can't explain, send me an email
<v Speaker 2>at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the
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<v Speaker 2>one place. And until next time, remember there's something in
<v Speaker 2>the woods.