Botanizing California in a 2000 Honda Civic, with Jessie Dickson

<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Tony.
<v Speaker 2>This episode of the Crime Pace But Bodany Doesn't podcast
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<v Speaker 2>of interesting stuff down here, and I got like six
<v Speaker 2>or seven different oak species. If you need a tree,
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<v Speaker 2>which then later turn into moths, which then later turn
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<v Speaker 2>Then you know that rare member of the mirror Casey
<v Speaker 2>the axe myrtle family. It's got the you know, can
<v Speaker 2>Toni is a real cool one. They grow you see
<v Speaker 2>in like in the sandy areas around Indiana dunes and stuff,
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<v Speaker 2>They got Desmodium canadents Dosmanthis illinoensis, which some of the
<v Speaker 2>drug bros think has DMT in it. They got Delia candida,
<v Speaker 2>Delia purpurria. I just sent them Delia foliosa seed. They
<v Speaker 2>got all kinds of cool native prairie grasses. They got
<v Speaker 2>god damn, they got like nine different species of Helianthus.
<v Speaker 2>They got three different species and native Saint John's ward
<v Speaker 2>ilex Vertissilada, Iliama ramota, the rare kankakee, mallow jug lands,
<v Speaker 2>Siniia jug lands nigra. They got, got six different species
<v Speaker 2>of aiatrs. They got Lilium philadelphicum, our native lily, Lilium
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<v Speaker 2>They got Lindara benzoin. They got a bunch of different lobilias.
<v Speaker 2>They're growing native magnolia's. They got a bunch of good ships,
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<v Speaker 2>They got a nice soil mix, their own soil recipe.
<v Speaker 2>They showed it to me last time I was there.
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<v Speaker 2>this episode on A Crime Pays a Botany Doesn't Podcast.
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't go check him out, I'm gonna put
<v Speaker 2>beef bullyon cubes in your freaking shower heads. Welcome to
<v Speaker 2>another episode of A Crime Pays a Bond He Doesn't Podcast. Today,
<v Speaker 2>my guest is the illustrious young gentleman known as the
<v Speaker 2>Sacramento Food Forest on Instagram and TikTok, my buddy Jesse Dixon,
<v Speaker 2>who resides out there in northern California up in Sacramento
<v Speaker 2>and has been doing a good job of spreading the
<v Speaker 2>message of the living world and getting people interested in
<v Speaker 2>native plants, native ecosystems, native ecology, and just paying attention
<v Speaker 2>to the living world around him. So I'm very excited
<v Speaker 2>to have him on and here we go. All right,
<v Speaker 2>Jesse dis So, what's going on? How you doing?
<v Speaker 1>I'm good? How are you man? I'm good, I'm good.
<v Speaker 2>You you've been I saw you were in the desert
<v Speaker 2>lately and you were at where were you you were
<v Speaker 2>at the California Native Plant Society Conference in southern California too.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they invited like some like people make videos like
<v Speaker 3>Golden State Naturalists, Griff Gordon, the Fantastic fascinated by fun
<v Speaker 3>guy guy, he's so funny.
<v Speaker 1>So it was fun.
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool, it's great. Did they have a nice refreshment's table?
<v Speaker 2>They probably had nice refreshments and merch.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and all expensive for the merch for the refreshment.
<v Speaker 3>I don't drink though, so like everyone like, they use
<v Speaker 3>it as an opportunity to like drink after and talk.
<v Speaker 2>So I can stand guy there, Yeah, I don't drink. Yeah, yeah, no,
<v Speaker 2>thank you man. No, give me like an an a
<v Speaker 2>beer or some green teaen fucking you know.
<v Speaker 1>Give me some orange soda sun kissed.
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, you drink that ship with the high fruit
<v Speaker 2>though sent it. Yeah, my god, fucking brutal fire. I
<v Speaker 2>got my addiction's caffeine.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>You know when I hit when I do too much coffee,
<v Speaker 2>then I move on to the green tea, which a
<v Speaker 2>drink in an abundant the mounts. But but yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>that was Has it been a good rain year for California?
<v Speaker 4>It looks like it.
<v Speaker 3>It's been good, but it's been super weird. Like we
<v Speaker 3>got rain really early. But the good thing about the
<v Speaker 3>early rain is it rained at the perfect time for
<v Speaker 3>like our struggling salmon run to get the areas they've
<v Speaker 3>been trying to get too can't reaps like dry Creek.
<v Speaker 3>So we had salmon and dry creek, which was amazing, dude.
<v Speaker 1>But so we had good rain.
<v Speaker 3>Then it stopped and towards the end, like right now,
<v Speaker 3>it's really warm, so things are blooming super early.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, you're you know, I see all the stuff
<v Speaker 2>you're doing. It's like you're retracing my steps all this
<v Speaker 2>shit I was doing there fifteen years ago. It's kind
<v Speaker 2>of cool.
<v Speaker 1>Like the salmon, dude.
<v Speaker 2>But the salmon run, I remember like going because we
<v Speaker 2>would go to Marine when I lived in oaklah We
<v Speaker 2>would drive the Marine to go like get hints in
<v Speaker 2>nature and go check out the Serpentine areas. And I remember,
<v Speaker 2>you know, there were signs on the creeks it said
<v Speaker 2>sam would show up, but I never saw any. It
<v Speaker 2>was kind of like I never even saw that. Where
<v Speaker 2>do you see all the salmon?
<v Speaker 1>And well, Marin we actually went there last year. We went.
<v Speaker 1>Is it Laguta Creek or Loukanta's or something. Yeah, we're
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Yeah, there we go Logas.
<v Speaker 3>We went there last year and we saw only one
<v Speaker 3>one Coho that area. Get to Coho and they're really struggling.
<v Speaker 3>But for me, there's multiple spots. I love to go
<v Speaker 3>to Dry Creek. There's an Auburn ravine and then do
<v Speaker 3>you know where Nimbus Dam is? No, A Nimbus dam
<v Speaker 3>is like a dam that's.
<v Speaker 1>Before fulsome damn.
<v Speaker 3>It's like flood control for ranch of Cordova Farroaks area,
<v Speaker 3>and that's where the old Nimbus Hatchery fish ladder is.
<v Speaker 1>So if you go over there, you'll see thousands of fish.
<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy, man.
<v Speaker 3>But it's just kind of sad too because you know,
<v Speaker 3>some are like hatchery, so they're just kind of eluding
<v Speaker 3>the genetics in my opinion.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's not what It kind of must have
<v Speaker 2>been so amazing to see fucking three four hundred years ago.
<v Speaker 1>You know, no, dude, it would have been mind blowing.
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like everywhere in like western North America,
<v Speaker 2>even where I live, you know, in South Texas, like
<v Speaker 2>you know, relatively recently, like shit didn't start getting cleared
<v Speaker 2>and masts down here in the borderlands till like you know,
<v Speaker 2>eighteen late eighteen hundreds, nineteen nineteen hundred maybe, you know,
<v Speaker 2>but just amazing. Just to see intact ecosystems must have
<v Speaker 2>been incredible.
<v Speaker 1>Especially for California.
<v Speaker 3>Everything is so altered, man, So if you think about it,
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like a mind fuck. You're like, oh,
<v Speaker 3>there's houses here, but maybe one hundred years ago that's
<v Speaker 3>used to be a river there, but they refloated, and
<v Speaker 3>so it's so crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, the death Cult still got there
<v Speaker 2>much later, a few hundred years later than it did
<v Speaker 2>on the East coast, so there's still stuff is still
<v Speaker 2>you know, much more intact there than out east where
<v Speaker 2>it's had you know, five hundred plus years of being wrecked.
<v Speaker 2>But either way, but yeah, man, so that I remember
<v Speaker 2>seeing salmon up on the Shasta little Shasta River, but
<v Speaker 2>and I know they.
<v Speaker 3>Just I haven't checked. Yeah, I haven't checked that area,
<v Speaker 3>but it seems beautiful.
<v Speaker 2>I spent so much time up there, like like the
<v Speaker 2>duns duns Mere Weed, Siscu County. I mean, there's just
<v Speaker 2>there's such incredible ship and it's all volcanic too, volcanic
<v Speaker 2>or serpentine.
<v Speaker 1>So many endemics.
<v Speaker 3>That's how you could tell if someone actually cares about
<v Speaker 3>like cool species. If you bring up serpentine and they
<v Speaker 3>don't get excited, You're like, okay, you doesn't know yet,
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't know yet.
<v Speaker 2>It's a good gauge. Yeah, I know, it's a good gauge.
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, you gotta be we gotta get you
<v Speaker 2>on this stuff. We gotta you, gotta you gotta understand
<v Speaker 2>the serpentine endemism. But yeah, I felt really lucky to
<v Speaker 2>learn botany in California because, like, serpentine is such a
<v Speaker 2>big part of it, and it was that really rammed
<v Speaker 2>home the idea of how closely geology can be tied
<v Speaker 2>to plant speciation and endemism. You know, I completely agree.
<v Speaker 3>That's the stuff I'm starting to learn about more now
<v Speaker 3>as a geology and it's so mind blowing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So where do you like when learning stuff like that?
<v Speaker 2>You should just take a Have you taken any community
<v Speaker 2>college courses? I say community college. That's cheaper than fucking
<v Speaker 2>paining happy ass like you know some but yeah, like
<v Speaker 2>just just like a community college geology course, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I should do. But I'm more like you.
<v Speaker 1>I'm mostly self taught.
<v Speaker 3>I have a really amazing mom who vetted my addiction
<v Speaker 3>to nature since I was a little kid. Instead of
<v Speaker 3>like being against it, she helped me and get me
<v Speaker 3>books and take me places.
<v Speaker 1>So I've always been interested in plants. It's amazing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, nature education is so important for kids, or
<v Speaker 2>at least to get them to understand what it is
<v Speaker 2>and not be afraid of it.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 1>It was like, like you can learn.
<v Speaker 3>So like my girlfriend, I'm my girlfriend, I'm we've been
<v Speaker 3>dating for three years, so when I first met her,
<v Speaker 3>she didn't know anything about plants or mushrooms, and now
<v Speaker 3>she's calling out plants before me, like.
<v Speaker 1>Just because iinat Yeah, that's yeah.
<v Speaker 2>It's such a great tool. It's crazy. That's what's crazy too,
<v Speaker 2>is like, yeah, I hear these like old it's mostly
<v Speaker 2>like old men. But I'll hear like older men complain
<v Speaker 2>that they don't like inad or what and they don't
<v Speaker 2>really understand how it works. I know, like I know that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but they're like I don't like it, and
<v Speaker 2>it's like what a funck nut. It's like an open
<v Speaker 2>source platform. First off, you don't have to share locations.
<v Speaker 2>You can obscure or privatize them. You keep your own
<v Speaker 2>blog book, your own record of everything you've seen. So
<v Speaker 2>if you forget a name, you can look it up,
<v Speaker 2>and if you forget a location, you can look it up,
<v Speaker 2>and you learn so much more about everything around you.
<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's such a great fucking tool, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and you can look at taxonomy, like you know,
<v Speaker 2>I always tell people whenever you're looking at a plant,
<v Speaker 2>always pay attention to what family it's in. If you're
<v Speaker 2>not paying attention to what family it's in, you're you're
<v Speaker 2>depriving yourself with the opportunity to start recognizing the traits
<v Speaker 2>of different families and then teach yourself the fact they'll
<v Speaker 2>play it that identification and you can go to e
<v Speaker 2>naturalist and click on a species page it's something you've observed,
<v Speaker 2>and then go to the taxonomy and see what family
<v Speaker 2>it's in and all this shit. You start recognizing similarities like, oh,
<v Speaker 2>this is in the carrot family too. It kind of
<v Speaker 2>looks like that other one I saw that was in
<v Speaker 2>the Carrott family. Oh that makes sense, now I know
<v Speaker 2>what the carrot family means.
<v Speaker 1>You know, but.
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't know I was like that until a
<v Speaker 3>few months ago, because like on the iPhone app, it's
<v Speaker 3>pretty garbage. It's fun to use, but like you don't
<v Speaker 3>get all the information you get like on a computer.
<v Speaker 1>It's sick.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what I've heard. The I use Android, I can't.
<v Speaker 2>I can't stand Apple, but uh, I've heard the phone
<v Speaker 2>app is kind of ship.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're too based for Apple.
<v Speaker 2>I just I remember I tried it once and I
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is just it's you know, and then
<v Speaker 2>I'm then you're stuck on it, you know, whereas Android
<v Speaker 2>is like it's you know, you can use any different
<v Speaker 2>model of phone. But but yeah, they should, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they should.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. It's like that.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, like the developers of the app
<v Speaker 2>or have made it so different for Apple, but.
<v Speaker 1>They would get so much more use as they made
<v Speaker 1>it better.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then you know, you've also got websites like
<v Speaker 2>you know, if iin ass feeling, you I mean, you
<v Speaker 2>get you have cal Flora, which is that's like the
<v Speaker 2>fucking gold standard of of looking up plants. They've got
<v Speaker 2>the what grows here thing? You know function, and whoever selects.
<v Speaker 2>The photos they use for their thumbnail picks is really
<v Speaker 2>good too, like they they you know where it's like
<v Speaker 2>ininad like the thumbnail for a species, the photo for
<v Speaker 2>a species page might be shit, there's can't tell what
<v Speaker 2>the plant is, But on calclados they really curate it well,
<v Speaker 2>or cal flora they really curated.
<v Speaker 3>It is really nice for looking for stuff too, Like
<v Speaker 3>if you're like, I can't find this one flower, you
<v Speaker 3>can just look through there and it really helps.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, Yeah, and then it ties to the jepsum
<v Speaker 2>you know, or you can look for like if you
<v Speaker 2>know something's in a family but you don't know what
<v Speaker 2>plant it is, you can type in the family and
<v Speaker 2>then set like a polygon on the map around where
<v Speaker 2>you observed it. It's fucking awesome.
<v Speaker 1>Do you go to Jepson every like the jets of vertopools?
<v Speaker 1>I did.
<v Speaker 2>I've gone there before, yeah, years ago. I mean I
<v Speaker 2>moved away from California five years.
<v Speaker 1>Ago now, so we miss you.
<v Speaker 2>It's been a while.
<v Speaker 1>I go back.
<v Speaker 2>It's nice to go back. I missed the flora there.
<v Speaker 2>It's so different from here, and the precipitation regime especially,
<v Speaker 2>it's so different from here. But but yeah, man, I
<v Speaker 2>mean I remember going to those seeing all the Downingia's
<v Speaker 2>all the cool, you know, these clades of you know,
<v Speaker 2>ephemerals that spend most of their time just lying in
<v Speaker 2>seed form and then wait for the winds rains. So cool.
<v Speaker 2>You've been you've been up on the vernal pools lately, huh.
<v Speaker 1>I love the verna pools, man, They're so beautiful.
<v Speaker 3>My favorite thing about the vernal pools is like most
<v Speaker 3>of the year you'll look at them and it looks
<v Speaker 3>so barren, and then you go there at the right
<v Speaker 3>time and it's just all color.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's nuts and it's like all you know, you'll
<v Speaker 2>see rings of color too, where like one species needs
<v Speaker 2>a certain condition, you know, and as the pool starts
<v Speaker 2>to dry up from the outside in, you'll have these
<v Speaker 2>different you know, different different species going off. It kind
<v Speaker 2>of like segregates the different plant species which have different
<v Speaker 2>color flowers. It's so fucking cool. Yeah, there was a
<v Speaker 2>bunch up by Chico. I remember a friend of mine
<v Speaker 2>who lived up there. Uh, John Ditties, John.
<v Speaker 1>Ditties, John Dittys. Have you met him? No, I know,
<v Speaker 1>but that's an amazing name.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's cool. He lives right on the on Uh,
<v Speaker 2>I think some river up i Chico. I forget where.
<v Speaker 2>He's got a really cool house. I remember he had
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of pipe vine in his yard and it
<v Speaker 2>was I went there once to visit him and him
<v Speaker 2>and him and his wife, and it was just covered
<v Speaker 2>in swell tailed butterflies.
<v Speaker 4>But uh but sick.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but there was.
<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch of cool vernal pools up there. Where
<v Speaker 2>are the vernal pools there? It's Jepson. Where is that exactly?
<v Speaker 2>That's in Vacaville.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like between Vacaville and Dixon. Like you right
<v Speaker 3>when you see the I fit on eighty where Dixon is,
<v Speaker 3>you get off there and then just go down into
<v Speaker 3>the farm land. So it's in Solano County. Still, my
<v Speaker 3>favorite personally is Mayther. I don't know if you've ever
<v Speaker 3>been there, but oh my god, dude, it's right by.
<v Speaker 1>My house too. The cool thing about Mather too is Mayther.
<v Speaker 3>For me, like when I first started getting into verna pools,
<v Speaker 3>Mather like opened my eyes to different management strategies. So
<v Speaker 3>when you go to Jepson, you'll notice how bier verse
<v Speaker 3>and beautiful it is. Obviously, but you'll notice they also
<v Speaker 3>have a lot of sheep and cattle that will go
<v Speaker 3>around there managing the land, whereas Nay, there they just
<v Speaker 3>set it on fire.
<v Speaker 1>And there's so many more species.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like it should be. Yeah, that's cool. Where is
<v Speaker 2>where's the Coyote Creek spot that you were talking about?
<v Speaker 2>I remember you put in videos up they wanted to
<v Speaker 2>build some solar plant there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Kaydie, do you know where Prairie City State
<v Speaker 1>qual Recreational Area is? No?
<v Speaker 2>Is it in there? Whereas it is it?
<v Speaker 1>It's in County County.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's in Sacramento County on the border of I
<v Speaker 3>think Eldorado. And it might be a plaster act because
<v Speaker 3>it's when you're on Fulsome, when you're on fifty, you're
<v Speaker 3>about the hit Eldorado Hills, so it's right between Foulsome
<v Speaker 3>I think. Though it's called White Rock Road, it's it's
<v Speaker 3>directly adjacent to a off road state park where it
<v Speaker 3>has vernal pools, but it's mainly off roaders. But it
<v Speaker 3>honestly opened my eyes to I've always kind of had
<v Speaker 3>an issue with off road people growing up, but they're
<v Speaker 3>pretty based. Like when you get them on your side
<v Speaker 3>for land management uses. Man, they are ready to fight.
<v Speaker 3>They get down. But so, Prairie City is a I
<v Speaker 3>believe it's the number one off road state park in
<v Speaker 3>all of California. It gets over two million visitors a year,
<v Speaker 3>brings it fifty million dollars in tax dollars to the
<v Speaker 3>local communities. And they wanted to build a solar farm
<v Speaker 3>at Kytie Creek, which is right across from it, and
<v Speaker 3>Kydie Creek is a twenty seven hundred acre property as
<v Speaker 3>over three thousand oak trees, mainly blue oak woodlands.
<v Speaker 1>It's a farmer.
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember his name, but he was at the
<v Speaker 3>conference gas lighting so hard because he called himself I admit, sure,
<v Speaker 3>I read this over you.
<v Speaker 1>He's a self described.
<v Speaker 3>Pioneer family who came to the who walked up to
<v Speaker 3>the land and claimed it. He said he claimed it
<v Speaker 3>when it was barren. He claimed it when it was barren.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, how barren was it was a blue oak woodland.
<v Speaker 2>They see it sounds like a jack So this dude's
<v Speaker 2>trying to cash in.
<v Speaker 1>It's I mean, he's hardcore.
<v Speaker 3>This dude basically wanted to turn it into a pitt mine.
<v Speaker 3>And the county said no, and so he told the
<v Speaker 3>county Plan B would be a solar farm, and that's
<v Speaker 3>when the Sierra Clip hit me up. They're like, we
<v Speaker 3>need help because everyone is just passing it because they
<v Speaker 3>were using green energy to basically greenwash the whole project
<v Speaker 3>and buy local profit.
<v Speaker 1>Fucked.
<v Speaker 2>It's so fucked when one person, you know, it's my land, really,
<v Speaker 2>it's your You're going to take it with you when
<v Speaker 2>you die, it's your land. Like when one person has
<v Speaker 2>so much control, I mean that's the default in Texas,
<v Speaker 2>where everything's privately owned. It's such a it's such a drag,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's just the way everything is. And
<v Speaker 2>so one person, you know, they're their parents might have
<v Speaker 2>been cool and want and appreciated the life there and
<v Speaker 2>wanted to preserve it. And then their parents die and
<v Speaker 2>the kids are all spoiled turds, and you know they help,
<v Speaker 2>They fight amongst each other for who's going to inherit it,
<v Speaker 2>and then you know, they divide it up into little
<v Speaker 2>ten ten acre rancheetahs that they're going to sell to
<v Speaker 2>some knobs who you know, want want the illusion of
<v Speaker 2>country living, and everything gets destroyed. There's no respect for
<v Speaker 2>the land. So this dude, I mean, why doesn't he
<v Speaker 2>just sell it to the county. I mean the county
<v Speaker 2>or someone could probably still offer him money for it.
<v Speaker 2>It's not gonna get as much as maybe if he
<v Speaker 2>was gonna sell to a similar farm. But what's his deal.
<v Speaker 3>He turned down about thirty million dollars in climate easements.
<v Speaker 3>They were gonna put uasements on the whole thing to
<v Speaker 3>preserve it forever, and he said no. He's kind of
<v Speaker 3>doing like the classic rich farmer like work around where
<v Speaker 3>he's saying, we don't have enough money to control the farm,
<v Speaker 3>but we don't want to do this. We want to
<v Speaker 3>do this even at his wife go up there and
<v Speaker 3>cry saying they need money. But then the Sierra Club
<v Speaker 3>came up and they're like, they're talking about they don't
<v Speaker 3>have money. They turned down thirty million dollars from us.
<v Speaker 3>Their property is worth million.
<v Speaker 2>Thirty million, So what does it mean thirty million dollars
<v Speaker 2>with easements, Like it's still it's his land, but it's
<v Speaker 2>put into a conservation easement.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so basically it'll be his land forever. He could
<v Speaker 3>farm it, he could do whatever. He just can't develop it.
<v Speaker 3>You can't build a road there there.
<v Speaker 1>What a fucking yeah, I know, because it destroys this
<v Speaker 1>whole argument of saying he needs the money to afford
<v Speaker 1>his property, because they're like, we'll give you the money
<v Speaker 1>today if you say yes, and he just keeps saying no.
<v Speaker 2>How is thirty million bucks not enough for him?
<v Speaker 1>He's a pioneer family.
<v Speaker 2>Likes like money, like actual money, not like thirty million
<v Speaker 2>dollars in tax and incentives. But thirty million, cold hard dollars.
<v Speaker 2>What a what a fucking douche?
<v Speaker 3>And these organizations have a lot of money. They're trying
<v Speaker 3>to buy land right now, not buy it, but put
<v Speaker 3>Smith's on it. Like you have the State Land Trust,
<v Speaker 3>you have the Sierra Club, you have the Individual Land Trust.
<v Speaker 1>Like these people were ready to save it. They just
<v Speaker 1>the property owner wasn't willing.
<v Speaker 2>God, man, imagine what kind of value system you have
<v Speaker 2>to have if like someone's offering you thirty million dollars
<v Speaker 2>and you still don't want to, you know, do something
<v Speaker 2>that's going to like protect land and everything that lives
<v Speaker 2>on it. That's not so what's the status now? So
<v Speaker 2>that some solar company was going to buy it, but
<v Speaker 2>then their main customer that was going to purchase the
<v Speaker 2>electricity said we're not going to purchase this anymore.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, Mud, Yeah, that's pretty cool. The Smudge backed
<v Speaker 1>out of it because of the lawsuit.
<v Speaker 3>But the problem is that the issue is the county
<v Speaker 3>gave them the permit. The county passed at five to
<v Speaker 3>OZHO and the county used the same big thing you said.
<v Speaker 3>The county basically said people have a right to do
<v Speaker 3>whatever they want with their property. That's why they passed it.
<v Speaker 3>And they agreed that. The county commissioner that had one
<v Speaker 3>literally said where is Smud? Why is Smud not here?
<v Speaker 3>Why is no one representative trying to make excuses why
<v Speaker 3>we should do this. But we're still going to pass
<v Speaker 3>it because people can do whatever they want with their lands.
<v Speaker 2>Properly and then right seah, just no collective responsibility. What
<v Speaker 2>that's fucked man.
<v Speaker 1>And the big thing I also want to get across
<v Speaker 1>for this project is it really opened my eyes to.
<v Speaker 3>How unsustainable a lot of these solar projects are. So
<v Speaker 3>for Heidie Creek, It's Foothills, oak Woodlands and Vernaples. They
<v Speaker 3>want to use to eight tons of dynamite every day
<v Speaker 3>for two months straight and.
<v Speaker 1>Then they're going to use fill trucks to take all
<v Speaker 1>the dirt out and then put new filled dirt in,
<v Speaker 1>and then they're saying, in thirty five years the lease
<v Speaker 1>is over and then they're going to return the land
<v Speaker 1>to what it was. How the fuck do you do that?
<v Speaker 1>How do you blow There's no way.
<v Speaker 2>Why do they need to blow it up to level
<v Speaker 2>it out or something or what?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they want to level it out because it's foothills.
<v Speaker 3>It's right where the valley hits the foot hills.
<v Speaker 2>It's so fucked the solar farm things. Fuck they did
<v Speaker 2>that out here. I think it was British Petroleum. They
<v Speaker 2>destroyed thousands of payote plants, thousands of starcac dis plants,
<v Speaker 2>the only population of euphobia anti cephalitica down here, which
<v Speaker 2>is actually a different it's a new species. And yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was fucked, man, but it's you know, it's it's Texas.
<v Speaker 2>And they had, you know, all these shiny faces, you know,
<v Speaker 2>with their fucking lip injections and the botox whatever, you know,
<v Speaker 2>male and female botox. It's you know, everybody gets both
<v Speaker 2>toxic smiling with the ribbon cutting ceremony. And meanwhile you've
<v Speaker 2>got all these parking lots that just cook in the sun.
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's so hot here. I mean, the
<v Speaker 2>sun just destroys the paint and yeah, ammobiles, all the interior,
<v Speaker 2>you know, the plastic offcasting and shit. It's like, oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, so fucked up here. They could have put
<v Speaker 2>those solar panels above the parking lots, but they're destroying,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but people don't. Most of the people that
<v Speaker 2>live down here are so disconnected from the land. I
<v Speaker 2>just they have no idea what's being lost, and nobody cared.
<v Speaker 1>So that's ridiculous. You're lucky.
<v Speaker 2>That's the thing about California, man, It's like it's nice
<v Speaker 2>that people it's like generally more in the zeitgeist. They're like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it's nice to have plants and trees. Yeah, in native
<v Speaker 2>habitat around you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what they try to get the project passed.
<v Speaker 3>There's an organization called sack Tree. There are a nonprofit
<v Speaker 3>that goes around Sacramento. They plant oak trees. They're basically
<v Speaker 3>completely dedicated. They're protecting oak woodlands, oak trees and city trees.
<v Speaker 1>That are oaks.
<v Speaker 3>And what happened is the local nonprofit paid them off
<v Speaker 3>and sack Tree. It was used to greenwash the whole project,
<v Speaker 3>where everyone was against it at first, and then when
<v Speaker 3>sack Tree showed up and basically was like, we're sack Tree,
<v Speaker 3>you trust us to protect all the trees.
<v Speaker 1>We think they're doing a good job.
<v Speaker 3>So then the county just used them as the excuse
<v Speaker 3>to be like, okay, zac Tree said it will be fine,
<v Speaker 3>that you're gonna plant acorns, so it'll be good.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's so crazy. God damn. So what is it
<v Speaker 2>right now? It's it's like oak kind of savannah, like
<v Speaker 2>rolling green hills with blue oaks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he has cattle of course, the cattle are by
<v Speaker 3>the riperian areas and the vernal pools. And then the Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>it's blue oak woodland, blue oak savannah. And apparently I
<v Speaker 3>haven't been able to I can't say if I am
<v Speaker 3>actually so, maybe the UC Davis did a study there
<v Speaker 3>and found the oldest, tallest and largest blue oaks left
<v Speaker 3>in California on that property.
<v Speaker 2>Wow, damn, shout out the corcus the glacier. Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's nuts, man, It's crazy. That thing is that. That's
<v Speaker 2>a very heat tolerant tree too.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, I've heard it's the most dronk tolerantree
<v Speaker 3>in California. I don't know if that's actually true, but
<v Speaker 3>I've heard it from multiple like scientists people.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they you know, they get they get that
<v Speaker 2>fungal sheath all over the roots that act the micro
<v Speaker 2>rhizal sheath. I mean, I'm sure that helps all the
<v Speaker 2>oaks out there. You know, there's tons of cool mushrooms
<v Speaker 2>come up beneath it.
<v Speaker 1>Ye.
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, when I was in Soco, that's what it
<v Speaker 3>was all throwing me off. I was like, ah, there's
<v Speaker 3>is palm trees. I missed all the oaks and the
<v Speaker 3>mushrooms and the flowers, like the whole woodland.
<v Speaker 1>It made me realize how much I love them. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're talking about like the native palm oases or
<v Speaker 2>just the palms that are planted everywhere inside of California.
<v Speaker 1>That well both The palm oasis was gorgeous. I loved it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>but in the city.
<v Speaker 3>I was in Riverside, man, those motherfuckers are water vampires.
<v Speaker 1>Bro. Like across there the house there was a nursery
<v Speaker 1>there that would keep their sprinkler on all night and
<v Speaker 1>driving me insane. God, this not even just looking at
<v Speaker 1>seeing it.
<v Speaker 2>It's so nuts. Yeah, it's so it's so fucking obscene.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>This see lawns and irrigation for just you know, landscaping,
<v Speaker 2>like heavy irrigation, for landscaping in places where it's that hot,
<v Speaker 2>like in the Southwest, or especially when you see the
<v Speaker 2>sprinklers and they're just watering the sidewalk in the Oh
<v Speaker 2>my god.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, idiots, you gotta water this cement. Bro I'll keep
<v Speaker 1>it alive. It lasts longer.
<v Speaker 2>You need like gangs the teens to go out there
<v Speaker 2>and vandalize those irrigation systems or something, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>just it keeps happening until you know, the owner just
<v Speaker 2>gives up. You know, if the city there's not going
<v Speaker 2>to be laws against it, just get the teens, you know,
<v Speaker 2>get angry things to go vandalize it.
<v Speaker 1>Why not. That's how I feel about honey beehives. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing too.
<v Speaker 2>Someone just sent me an email for because I get
<v Speaker 2>these publicists sending me emails and they're like, oh, would
<v Speaker 2>you like to, you know, have me on your podcast
<v Speaker 2>to talk about the bees, And it was like it
<v Speaker 2>was just the tot honeybee book. It's like, I don't
<v Speaker 2>want to fucking no. I don't care about honey bees.
<v Speaker 2>I hate honey bees, especially where I live. They're all
<v Speaker 2>fucking deadly too. They're all yeah, scooter, Yeah, yeah, man.
<v Speaker 2>I have friends that have almost died from getting attacks.
<v Speaker 2>One of my my one of my friends who's a
<v Speaker 2>snake guy, he's a herper.
<v Speaker 1>He got it.
<v Speaker 2>He got attacked by bees. Another friend of mine got
<v Speaker 2>stung like hundreds of times and somehow survived. Yeah. They're
<v Speaker 2>really nasty, man. It's crazy because you'll be like fifty
<v Speaker 2>feet from the hive and a couple of them start
<v Speaker 2>coming at you, you know, and then once a couple
<v Speaker 2>come at you, and now you're marked and you have
<v Speaker 2>to leave the area immediately.
<v Speaker 1>Fuck. Have you seen the killer be guy on like Instagram?
<v Speaker 1>He's so funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I had him on here like a few
<v Speaker 2>months ago.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't have to listen to that. That dude
<v Speaker 1>makes me laugh so hard. I love how he he
<v Speaker 1>leans into it. He talks shit, he's.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, man, I know, he's totally It's like if
<v Speaker 2>you don't if you've ever been to Bisbee, Arizona, but
<v Speaker 2>that guy is like total bisbeeye, you know. It's just
<v Speaker 2>like it's yeah, he's cool. There's old, old, old, uh
<v Speaker 2>old haggard wing nut you know that I said in
<v Speaker 2>a good way, and you know, as a wing myself.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just is like all all about.
<v Speaker 2>His thing and yeah, man, he's a Yeah, they're great.
<v Speaker 2>I love watch some of the ship that they go through.
<v Speaker 2>Just it does. It looks like the Seventh Portal of Hell.
<v Speaker 2>Just these fras, you know, like a dilapidated, dilapidated, dilapidated
<v Speaker 2>trailer in the middle of the desert is just filled
<v Speaker 2>with it. A hive with like five million you know, like.
<v Speaker 1>You know, super last huge hives.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, just so yeah, because they can last for years,
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of those things with that it's gnarly.
<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing a faral honeybee hive in the Mohave once.
<v Speaker 1>Uh.
<v Speaker 2>I saw a bunch of bees going into some rock
<v Speaker 2>crevice on a big granite boulder and I was like
<v Speaker 2>thirty feet away, but I could hear them. There were
<v Speaker 2>so many of them. It was nuts. I think there
<v Speaker 2>was an old woman mountains I forget, but yeah, so
<v Speaker 2>you were just in the desert though, right, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I was in U.
<v Speaker 3>I went to Antebrago, I went to Joshua Tree, the
<v Speaker 3>Sultan Sea.
<v Speaker 1>Have you been to Sultan Sea? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah A long years the vibe Vie for a
<v Speaker 2>Kopeia Mountains.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah are you are?
<v Speaker 2>You got a four wheel driver? What are you taking
<v Speaker 2>out there?
<v Speaker 1>A two thousand call me? Yeah? Yeah, dude, it's getting
<v Speaker 1>towards the end of its life. I think it needs
<v Speaker 1>like a new radiator fan or something. But bro, that car.
<v Speaker 3>I try to tell people that cars taking me to
<v Speaker 3>like every inch of California.
<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, that's what I did. I had like
<v Speaker 2>a eighty nine Honda Prelude. It was what I learned
<v Speaker 2>to drive. Yeah, like two thousand and six. That was
<v Speaker 2>what I learned to drive stick shift on. And then
<v Speaker 2>I had like another Honda Civic that I remember launching
<v Speaker 2>a toilet off of the hood of the car when
<v Speaker 2>I was hammered once a friend. We were driving down
<v Speaker 2>like old industrial corridors Oka. We had this old toilet
<v Speaker 2>and maybe we were like listening to thrash metal and
<v Speaker 2>you know, got up to like yeah, no one was out,
<v Speaker 2>no one was going to get hurt. It's like an
<v Speaker 2>industrial state. We got the car up to like sixty
<v Speaker 2>miles per hour, slammed on the brakes, just launched the
<v Speaker 2>toilet like you know a hundred and just trope away.
<v Speaker 1>That sounds fun activities.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was, you know, before I got sobered, it
<v Speaker 2>was I'm glad I had some you know, I had
<v Speaker 2>some nights like that.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But now that you're sober, you're calmer. Now it's
<v Speaker 1>Honda's Well.
<v Speaker 2>The thing is to try and be crazy without booze,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and you be yourself and all that went
<v Speaker 2>up booze, so which, you know.
<v Speaker 1>That's what I had to learn to when I got
<v Speaker 1>off the pills. I thought I would never be the
<v Speaker 1>same to that eight years oh nice. Yeah, yeah, man,
<v Speaker 1>that was a big pill head.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just alcohol for me. But I tried
<v Speaker 2>to try to get you know, help other people get
<v Speaker 2>get off of it, because man, alcohol sucks. It's so
<v Speaker 2>fucking whack. It just it just prevents self growth. It
<v Speaker 2>numbs you from all the ship you need to feel.
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's such a like it stunts everything, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have family from Pine Ridge, Like my family's
<v Speaker 3>originally from Pine Ridge, South Dakota Reservation, and that this
<v Speaker 3>is like a textbook example of what alcohol could do.
<v Speaker 3>So like seeing that made me never touch I don't
<v Speaker 3>like the flavor either. But like growing up and seeing that,
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, I'm scared of this.
<v Speaker 2>Oh you never drank to begin with.
<v Speaker 3>No, I was always I basically I did. I used
<v Speaker 3>to do like muay Thai. I still do the jiu
<v Speaker 3>jitsu now, but not muay Thai.
<v Speaker 1>And I was able to get on painkillers from fights,
<v Speaker 1>and then I just started taking more and more and
<v Speaker 1>it just turns into your whole life basically.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was like the opposite. I never
<v Speaker 2>got into like opiates. I just never liked them, you know.
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, but and then, but like with Booze too,
<v Speaker 2>I would like I'd quit drinking for like five months.
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, see, I don't have a problem.
<v Speaker 2>I could, I could quit, you know, but then I'd
<v Speaker 2>go tear one off whenever I you know, whenever that ended,
<v Speaker 2>and and it's just like, you know, it's just white
<v Speaker 2>knuckles just because you can white knuckle it through five
<v Speaker 2>months of quasi. Sobriety doesn't mean you're not a drunk,
<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Because you don't. You got to address the reasons why
<v Speaker 3>you're drinking.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're not. Yeah, you're not dealing with any of
<v Speaker 2>your But I mean there's people you see that all
<v Speaker 2>over the world that aren't alcoholics but still aren't dealing
<v Speaker 2>with their ship. And in a way, I feel like
<v Speaker 2>I was lucky, like my ship with alcohol forced me
<v Speaker 2>to deal with other things about myself that were that
<v Speaker 2>needed to be addressed. You know, I would just agree
<v Speaker 2>came from fucked up childhood or fight with people or whatever.
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, So, so you were in the desert for
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks and then came up, are you gonna
<v Speaker 2>have back down there or what?
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I kind of wanted Because I wanted, I didn't get
<v Speaker 3>to I mean, I had to freeze the planes. And
<v Speaker 3>that ship looks like it's popping off right now. So
<v Speaker 3>I might drive down there for like a weekend to
<v Speaker 3>go see that. Betther than that, it's flower season in
<v Speaker 3>North calis I kind of want to go to the Serpentines, like,
<v Speaker 3>look at serpentine soil.
<v Speaker 1>There's a place Traverse Creek. I've no I don't know
<v Speaker 1>if you've heard of there, but it's, oh my god,
<v Speaker 1>I fucking love it. Yeah, there was.
<v Speaker 2>You were getting into a bunch of the native lily ace,
<v Speaker 2>right native.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I love the fertilarious. Like last night, we
<v Speaker 1>just drove up to Cash Creek and then we found
<v Speaker 1>adobe lilies. It was so nice. The fertilia, they're so beautiful.
<v Speaker 2>Which one which.
<v Speaker 1>I think Flora flora or Florum point? Yeah? Yeah, And
<v Speaker 1>then I want to look for Fertillaria falcata and then.
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen them?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that thing is incredible. Yeah I can. I'll send
<v Speaker 2>you some points, you know, just yeah, don't share, of course,
<v Speaker 2>but uh, of course.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>That's one thing I loved about California that was so cool,
<v Speaker 2>especially getting into plants, was you know, one genus would
<v Speaker 2>have so many different species in it, and you could
<v Speaker 2>just see how these different forms had evolved, you know,
<v Speaker 2>for different different landscapes or geologies or whatever. But still
<v Speaker 2>like you know, they were like in close proximity to
<v Speaker 2>each other where you could see you know, a number
<v Speaker 2>of them in a day just by driving around. It
<v Speaker 2>was really really you you know, a really good example
<v Speaker 2>of natural selection.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and some of those habitats, like I remember I
<v Speaker 1>saw the video of you. I think you were looking
<v Speaker 1>at a fritillary falcata and.
<v Speaker 3>It looked like you were like on fucking mars bro
<v Speaker 3>The floor was like all eroded into crumbles and you're
<v Speaker 3>just high up on this hill.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 4>Serpentine.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, it's just like what the plant shows that.
<v Speaker 1>The flight was like this is my spot, right, Yes.
<v Speaker 2>San Benito County has some really good serpentine and then
<v Speaker 2>there's some yeah there was. There's a bunch in like Alameda.
<v Speaker 2>There's a bunch of cool serpentine Alameda County. I think
<v Speaker 2>it's Alameda, Stanislas County. So it's a weird area, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>but it's those It's like, you know, you could like
<v Speaker 2>drive along the roads there and you see this habitat
<v Speaker 2>and it just it's it just draws you in because
<v Speaker 2>it's so fucking bizarre. You're like, man, what And those
<v Speaker 2>the ghost pines that, oh god, I can't believe that
<v Speaker 2>I forgot the species name Pina sabiniana. You know, they're
<v Speaker 2>growing all scraggly, they're not straight, they're like growing all
<v Speaker 2>strat scraggly and tortured and you know, no needles on
<v Speaker 2>like the bottom eighty percent of this well it looks
<v Speaker 2>like a twisted flagpole or something. You know, it's just
<v Speaker 2>really bizarre, just the coolest show. Cool yeah, man.
<v Speaker 1>I just serpentine is addicting, Like the habitats are so addicting.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it shows you how, you know, how a
<v Speaker 2>plant can have like a quote normal relative, a normal
<v Speaker 2>species in the genus you know that grows, you know,
<v Speaker 2>on thicker soils that aren't too chemically stressful, and then
<v Speaker 2>you see a relative on serpentine and it looks fucking insane.
<v Speaker 2>It's got like glaucous more bluish shoes and it's all
<v Speaker 2>you know, pigmy colored like dwarfed and yeah, just just
<v Speaker 2>totally weird. There's I remember there was a there's a
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's the bands of serpentine going north and
<v Speaker 2>south right in the coast ranges, and then a few
<v Speaker 2>in the Sierra Nevada as well, and so there was
<v Speaker 2>some I forget the county. It was north of eighty though,
<v Speaker 2>But there's another cool spot up there, you know, where
<v Speaker 2>there was a willow species I remember seeing that grows
<v Speaker 2>on serpentine that just looks not what. I forget this.
<v Speaker 2>I forget where, I forget the species, but it was
<v Speaker 2>like a dwarfed willow with like these fuzzy leaves and
<v Speaker 2>everything that grows on those serpentine areas always tends to
<v Speaker 2>have pubescents, like you know, hairs on it and like
<v Speaker 2>a gloous color because the serpentine is hard for a
<v Speaker 2>lot of shit to grow on, so it's more barren,
<v Speaker 2>there's less shade, there's more sun exposure, and so that
<v Speaker 2>kind of selects for you know, the drought tolerant traits
<v Speaker 2>like you know, hairs on leaves or block color, blue coat,
<v Speaker 2>toxic soil.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah man, So we were going,
<v Speaker 1>what were you when you were when you.
<v Speaker 2>Were getting into like the the lilies. Where how did
<v Speaker 2>that start?
<v Speaker 1>It started with finding like Humboldt lilies.
<v Speaker 3>When I go to like the foothills, I'd see like
<v Speaker 3>Lilliam Humboltiy HUMBOLTI eye like the one that's made it here.
<v Speaker 1>And then I.
<v Speaker 3>Started like just noticing how cool they were because if
<v Speaker 3>you look close, man, it's like they're so crazy, Like
<v Speaker 3>Mariposa says, like, you walk past those if you're not
<v Speaker 3>looking for because they're so small, but if you've looked
<v Speaker 3>at all the fur, the colors, it's addicting. And then
<v Speaker 3>my girlfriend started getting into it, and so now every
<v Speaker 3>year early we're like, okay, Early springs is fertilaria time,
<v Speaker 3>and then later in the year we'll look for some
<v Speaker 3>super blooms and then it's gonna be maripos a time.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just they're just my favorite I got.
<v Speaker 3>We were saying back there, there's like certain things like serpentine,
<v Speaker 3>calichordis fritillaria, like when people.
<v Speaker 1>Talk about it, you can be like, Okay, this guy's
<v Speaker 1>a planner.
<v Speaker 2>So you got But you started off like because I
<v Speaker 2>remember when you were a lot of the stuff you
<v Speaker 2>used the post it was all about like old growth redwoods,
<v Speaker 2>you know, stuff like that. How did you, I guess
<v Speaker 2>this is this is where I want to know more about,
<v Speaker 2>like your personal backgroun. How did you get into all
<v Speaker 2>this stuff?
<v Speaker 1>Just from going up at Humble.
<v Speaker 3>I was going to go to school up there, and
<v Speaker 3>then we just started seeing the redwoods. The first place
<v Speaker 3>I ever visited when I came to California, like, was
<v Speaker 3>what's that tree.
<v Speaker 1>Called Chandler to the chandelier tree or Chandler tree, the
<v Speaker 1>one the hole in it? And I remember being a kid,
<v Speaker 1>everyone was like ella and joining me and I went
<v Speaker 1>to my mom, why why how is this good?
<v Speaker 2>Like, what's what's the shandelier. Oh like the what are
<v Speaker 2>you talking about the was it a redwood or what?
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, sorry, it's an old girlth redwood. It's about
<v Speaker 1>three thousand years old. It's fucking mashing, dude. But it
<v Speaker 1>as a hole in it, and it kind of fucked
<v Speaker 1>with me as a kid, and because I thought the
<v Speaker 1>tree was so amazing that my mom was like explaining
<v Speaker 1>how a bunch of them got cut and how they
<v Speaker 1>did this for tourism, and then it made me just
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with this. Old girls forests started with redwoods and
<v Speaker 1>then it turned into oaks. What I like about the
<v Speaker 1>Redwood forest is it's just like an extreme example of
<v Speaker 1>how amazing nature could be. You got the tallest trees,
<v Speaker 1>you got, it's just everything is amazing. Oh yeah, it's
<v Speaker 1>you take someone.
<v Speaker 2>If you take someone who grew up in like the
<v Speaker 2>suburbs of fucking Dallas or Atlanta, or like grew up
<v Speaker 2>in you know, New York City or something, you're taken
<v Speaker 2>to the Redwoods, it'll and just leave them there without
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of fucking tourists around and just be like,
<v Speaker 2>just spend the day here. You know, it'll knock them
<v Speaker 2>on their ass eventually, there's no way it can't to
<v Speaker 2>see these things that are that fucking massive and that
<v Speaker 2>old and that tall.
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's nice, the cleanest air ever too. Man,
<v Speaker 1>when you're breathing up there, it feels like the baler
<v Speaker 1>like it feels so nice.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like the species diversity in a redwood forest is
<v Speaker 2>not very high, but the things are so so huge,
<v Speaker 2>so enormous, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it was like. It was kind of
<v Speaker 3>hard in the beginning. I was filming a lot of flowers,
<v Speaker 3>and I like them, but I also loved the big tree.
<v Speaker 3>So like the redwood stuff was going very virale, so
<v Speaker 3>I kept filming more redwoods. But like it's all about
<v Speaker 3>for me, I get sad, Like when it's winter it
<v Speaker 3>starts getting dark early, I start thinking about like sad things,
<v Speaker 3>and so I usually will winter, I'll be like, Okay,
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go to the redwoods.
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna film some mushrooms and trees, and then when
<v Speaker 1>stuff starts blooming again, we'll start heading back south to
<v Speaker 1>like the valley, the foothills and stuff.
<v Speaker 2>So what you said when you when you came to California?
<v Speaker 2>When did you move to California?
<v Speaker 1>And I think I was like, sorry, I was in
<v Speaker 1>a commas. I was young.
<v Speaker 2>You were, yeah, you were, but you were like a
<v Speaker 2>young ass kid then, so you've been most of your
<v Speaker 2>life there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, basically a calculator. I love it here, man.
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I could. I actually I don't.
<v Speaker 3>Know if I could say I could leave because there's
<v Speaker 3>so many issues, but the plants, the delta, I just
<v Speaker 3>don't know how I could leave that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Or I mean just public land in general, like
<v Speaker 2>all the public land is out west, you know, until
<v Speaker 2>they come and try and take it. Until there's like
<v Speaker 2>some sleeve bag politicians and the you know, the people
<v Speaker 2>that are dumb en have to vote for him enable
<v Speaker 2>all the public land.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Let's hope that doesn't happen. But who knows, Man, it's
<v Speaker 2>not due they got you know, that guy Mike Lee,
<v Speaker 2>he's got a real heart on for I mean, all
<v Speaker 2>these people do, these ship bags you know, that are
<v Speaker 2>just their values are fucked, you know, and they're.
<v Speaker 1>About Steve Pierce part of a culture.
<v Speaker 2>That worships money and believes in you know, all the
<v Speaker 2>all the weird evangelical shit these nuts believe, Yeah, fucking nuts, man,
<v Speaker 2>God just straight up death cult ship. Now, who's Steve Pierce.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you haven't heard about Steve Pierce. He's like Mike
<v Speaker 1>and Mike Lee's pick for the head of the Bureau
<v Speaker 1>of Land Management. He's a piece of shit, dude. He's like,
<v Speaker 1>I think he's worse than Mike Lee. Mike Lee.
<v Speaker 3>The thing about Michael is a piece of shit, but
<v Speaker 3>he's kind of open about it. Steve Pierce, it's like
<v Speaker 3>spent his whole career trying to sell national parks. He
<v Speaker 3>was a senator in New Mexico. He has videos online
<v Speaker 3>where he explains the landowners how to sue the governent
<v Speaker 3>over public lands and how you want to sue over
<v Speaker 3>multiple things because you could be right, he said.
<v Speaker 1>He clearly said you could be wrong about everything, but
<v Speaker 1>if you're right about one thing, they have to pay
<v Speaker 1>for it.
<v Speaker 2>God, I see this, Oh my god. These guys all
<v Speaker 2>look the same. They all look like like walking thumbs.
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's faulding in the middle and just fucking
<v Speaker 2>three necks and you know, very pasty. These guys do
<v Speaker 2>not spend a lot of time outside.
<v Speaker 4>It looks like nope.
<v Speaker 3>And the thing it's like Trump doesn't even hide it
<v Speaker 3>He's like, he's nominating people that literally have spent their
<v Speaker 3>entire career like trying to destroy the agency.
<v Speaker 1>They're going to be the head up.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, everything, Yeah, everything's just openly corrupt and incompetent
<v Speaker 2>and fucked right now. Yeah that's brutal man.
<v Speaker 1>And now they got the distraction, right, I know, now.
<v Speaker 2>They're starting World War three. So it's yeah, it's uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's as you get what you pay for.
<v Speaker 2>I guess you know, you dumbed down the populace enough
<v Speaker 2>to vote for this ship, and that's what you end
<v Speaker 2>up with. But but the Mica thing is nuts, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>and that pissed off a bunch of I mean yeah,
<v Speaker 2>like I was saying, that pissed off a bunch of
<v Speaker 2>you know, hunters and outdoorsmen too. I like that across
<v Speaker 2>the political divide, you know, like the same thing with
<v Speaker 2>like the ATV people like I used to hate that ship.
<v Speaker 2>You're you're somewhere in California and you hear there, you
<v Speaker 2>know that it sounds like a lawnmower engine. I'd be like,
<v Speaker 2>fuck those motherfuckers. But then now I'm like, well, let's
<v Speaker 2>try and indoctrinate them into you know, attention to cool
<v Speaker 2>ship and get them on our side and you know
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing.
<v Speaker 1>Well, like with Kyte Creek, I don't think we would
<v Speaker 1>have won without the off roaders, like the cal four wheel.
<v Speaker 1>The lady that's ahead of there, Oh my goodness, she's
<v Speaker 1>like one of those ladies you do not want to
<v Speaker 1>fuck with. When she showed up there, she was talking
<v Speaker 1>for like thirty minutes, just talking about violations. I was like, so, what.
<v Speaker 2>Happened with that? Where is that right now? Where's Coyote
<v Speaker 2>Creek at right now? We didn't get to that.
<v Speaker 3>It's it's pretty much the SMUD left back out of
<v Speaker 3>the deal after getting seed from the pressure, and they
<v Speaker 3>were able to use the excuse because Kydie Creek as
<v Speaker 3>the solar project. It's a New York based company from
<v Speaker 3>Wall Street, so they're kind of pieces of shit, not
<v Speaker 3>kind of fool the piece of shit. So they kept
<v Speaker 3>asking for extensions and SMUD was able to use that
<v Speaker 3>to back out.
<v Speaker 1>But now the company's trying to talk to PG and
<v Speaker 1>E or Marine County Power, so that's like the big
<v Speaker 1>thing everyone to find customers. Yep. So like we've won
<v Speaker 1>in the in sense that SMUT has backed out, but
<v Speaker 1>they still have the permit, so they find a they're
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it.
<v Speaker 2>Damn, I wish, wish it's just eminent domain. How many
<v Speaker 2>acres is it?
<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven hundred?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's not that's not even that much
<v Speaker 2>when it comes down to it, like they should just
<v Speaker 2>eminent domain as ass Seriously, I mean seriously, I don't
<v Speaker 2>give a fuck, you know, like is it it's it's
<v Speaker 2>just to come.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go ahead.
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the dude is. You know, he doesn't respect the land.
<v Speaker 2>That's a community asset. It's not a pioneer family. Get
<v Speaker 2>the fuck out of here. The ship one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>sixty years MAXI, we're here.
<v Speaker 1>It's not shit. I ever got to tell you. So
<v Speaker 1>the landowner when he went up there, I'll never forget
<v Speaker 1>this ship because I laughed out loud and got in
<v Speaker 1>trouble for doing it. But I think it's the head
<v Speaker 1>of the commissioner as a dick. But the landowner went
<v Speaker 1>up there and he's like, we are the original land managers.
<v Speaker 3>And these people don't realize all these oaks are dying.
<v Speaker 3>They're dying because they don't get enough fog.
<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, sudden oak Mediterranean oak borer. Like,
<v Speaker 1>these guys are talking out of their ass. Dude, they
<v Speaker 1>don't even know what that.
<v Speaker 2>They don't know shit, man, some dude that doesn't even
<v Speaker 2>value his land, you know. And then you know, no
<v Speaker 2>offense to the Rednecks, but you hear I've heard so
<v Speaker 2>many goofy things from like this, the redneck land, the
<v Speaker 2>Redneck school of land management, right, I mean, it just depends.
<v Speaker 2>It's sometimes people know what they're talking about. Of other
<v Speaker 2>times they're completely illiterate, you know, whether they're calling native
<v Speaker 2>species invasive or they're just oh, yeah, there's trade, well
<v Speaker 2>not really clearing them would expose a lot more land
<v Speaker 2>to sun and invasive species.
<v Speaker 3>So and then you get the other side where like
<v Speaker 3>humans are invasive and I'm like.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's stuff too, right, Yeah, people don't know what invasively.
<v Speaker 2>They just think it means like they don't know what
<v Speaker 2>it means in the field of ecology. They just think
<v Speaker 2>it means aggressive. You know, like you're talking about like
<v Speaker 2>an invasive tumor. It's like not, it doesn't mean that
<v Speaker 2>there's actually like a specific term for it. Why don't
<v Speaker 2>you go read about it? You have a fucking internet and.
<v Speaker 1>Your species brought it.
<v Speaker 3>It's all the funny, dude, those are the same people, like,
<v Speaker 3>I don't know since you're not like maybe not just
<v Speaker 3>in tune to like the California politics stuff. There's like
<v Speaker 3>a big battle in stokel I think Ventura where basically
<v Speaker 3>there there's a eucalyptus.
<v Speaker 1>Growth where modern butterflies over winter on and.
<v Speaker 3>They're trying to slowly remove the eucalyptus and replace it
<v Speaker 3>with native species.
<v Speaker 1>And bro the locals are.
<v Speaker 2>That was going on the Oakland Hills too.
<v Speaker 1>Yup.
<v Speaker 2>The hippies would get really upset and then you try
<v Speaker 2>to explain to them, well, no, these aren't. The eucalyptus
<v Speaker 2>are cool where they're native. Here they're a real problem though,
<v Speaker 2>And this this is what it could be. Instead, it
<v Speaker 2>would be you know, California Bay Laurel and Madrone in
<v Speaker 2>Livo instead and a lot more rich biologically that area.
<v Speaker 3>My friend Michael, he works with like, I mean, what's
<v Speaker 3>that fire watch duty? I believe it's called, you know,
<v Speaker 3>like the app for fires And he did a video
<v Speaker 3>where this guy's he called the Lookout on YouTube.
<v Speaker 1>They drove around like.
<v Speaker 3>The Oakland Hills is talking about like fire danger, and
<v Speaker 3>like you could.
<v Speaker 1>Just see the anxiety on his face because he's just like, Bro,
<v Speaker 1>when this area catches on fire, these people are flogged. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with the winds too. That's the main thing, is
<v Speaker 2>the fire. What causes the fire danger is not just
<v Speaker 2>the iridity, but it's the winds. And anybody who lives
<v Speaker 2>in California knows that. But people that live and say
<v Speaker 2>like Tennessee or Florida, like they don't they don't grasp
<v Speaker 2>those when those Santa Ana winds especially pick up man
<v Speaker 2>and they're blowing horizontally and then if something catches fire,
<v Speaker 2>that fire blows horizontally instead of going up, and that's
<v Speaker 2>how it spread so quick yep.
<v Speaker 1>And then you got all these houses built on top
<v Speaker 1>of chaparral or like right in front of it.
<v Speaker 3>And then it's just like we'll blame everyone other than
<v Speaker 3>their fucking developer. It's so annoying.
<v Speaker 2>So where is the where was the blue gum eucalyptus
<v Speaker 2>clearing supposed to be?
<v Speaker 3>You said, Ventura, Yeah, Ventura County. It's it's like it's
<v Speaker 3>just a small growth. I believe monarchs use it. Are
<v Speaker 3>they saying monarchs or could you it's one of those
<v Speaker 3>two because when I first heard about it, I still
<v Speaker 3>can't believe it. One of them hit me up on Instagram,
<v Speaker 3>They're like, hey, can you help us with this? And
<v Speaker 3>I was just like no, hell no.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Did you explain to them like no, actually I don't
<v Speaker 2>like you don't you don't want there?
<v Speaker 1>What about? Yeah? There?
<v Speaker 2>Instead? They were they were or what.
<v Speaker 1>Kind of They were still kind of like no, we
<v Speaker 1>think you're wrong. But then they kind of opened up
<v Speaker 1>a little bit when I.
<v Speaker 3>Started talking to them more about Okay, so you think
<v Speaker 3>the trees are super important, so what if instead of
<v Speaker 3>clear cutting them, we remove some then plant native and
<v Speaker 3>continue the process.
<v Speaker 1>And that's where I kind of opened their minds.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's not just like a clear cut, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's uh yeah, even though that would be one way
<v Speaker 2>to do it, it should you know, get them to
<v Speaker 2>relax a little bit. I think with a lot of people,
<v Speaker 2>that's all it takes. Is like they they might be
<v Speaker 2>good intentions, like the crazy cat people, in the same
<v Speaker 2>way they love animals well intention but they just don't
<v Speaker 2>have a basic ecological education. That's not their fault. It's
<v Speaker 2>our societies, right or not. Even just don't even call
<v Speaker 2>it ecological education, because that sounds too highbrowd for some people.
<v Speaker 2>Just call it knowing what the life around you is
<v Speaker 2>that evolved there, you know, not this bullshit that just
<v Speaker 2>ended up there as a mishmash after the dust settled,
<v Speaker 2>after Europeans came in and fucked everything up, Just you know,
<v Speaker 2>what was actually evolved there and selected for evolutionarily speaking,
<v Speaker 2>by the circumstances that define that place, like in the
<v Speaker 2>case of California, whether it's serpentine geology or you know,
<v Speaker 2>long dry summers or whatever, you know exactly, or the
<v Speaker 2>presence of certain native you know, insects that act as
<v Speaker 2>antagonists as pests on a plant species. But once you
<v Speaker 2>explain that to them, That's why I think it's so
<v Speaker 2>fucking important to educate people. Man, it really is, you know.
<v Speaker 2>And it's just getting people who may not be into
<v Speaker 2>this shit, who maybe you know, are really they're more
<v Speaker 2>into like playing call of duty in the basement, starting
<v Speaker 2>to get them, like pull them out of that a
<v Speaker 2>little bit without shitting on them, even though it's fucking
<v Speaker 2>thus or whatever, without shitting even pull them out of
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit and be like, look, man, look
<v Speaker 2>at this. Come sniff on this. This is actually pretty cool.
<v Speaker 2>The living world. You know, there's a there's a context here,
<v Speaker 2>right and and other shit. There's even spirituality there. Man,
<v Speaker 2>there's so much spirituality. I get so much out of
<v Speaker 2>you know, knowing what the life is around me, much
<v Speaker 2>more than I ever got when I was forced to
<v Speaker 2>go to fucking Catholic school or whatever the ship. You know,
<v Speaker 2>we used to go to Catholic school. We'd go, you know,
<v Speaker 2>we'd schedule a bunch of kids, they'll go to the
<v Speaker 2>bathroom at the same time that we'd you know, throw
<v Speaker 2>turn the lights off and just start throwing toilet paper
<v Speaker 2>wadded up toilet paper at each other. Like what watts
<v Speaker 2>fucking this so fun? It was so fun.
<v Speaker 1>Catholic school memories. Man, CCD.
<v Speaker 2>You didn't You didn't get You didn't go to Catholic school,
<v Speaker 2>did you?
<v Speaker 1>No?
<v Speaker 3>No, No, I was broke. I went to like the
<v Speaker 3>it was called Linebock. It's over on Mack Road in
<v Speaker 3>South Zukermina.
<v Speaker 1>What was that?
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean we we we would do c CD
<v Speaker 2>one one week and night. We were like public school.
<v Speaker 2>But then there was like you know, forest and doctrination,
<v Speaker 2>like every Monday night we'd have CCD. It was like
<v Speaker 2>Catholic education.
<v Speaker 4>It was fucking oh No.
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have that. We had like like the Dare
<v Speaker 1>stuff every week where they talk about drugs.
<v Speaker 2>And were you raised religious at all?
<v Speaker 1>My grandma is religious, but my mom is not. She
<v Speaker 1>is more like spiritual, like nature. Yeah. I was lucky.
<v Speaker 2>My mom tried the Catholic thing and then gave up
<v Speaker 2>when I turned like ten or eleven. I think she
<v Speaker 2>just kind of veered away from it.
<v Speaker 3>So my mom was more like, Okay, Graham to her mom, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I know you're religious, will baptize them and then it's
<v Speaker 3>pretty much done after that.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, man, replace all the religious indoctrination with nature education,
<v Speaker 2>you know for the kids.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but nothing feels more spiritual than like the redwoods
<v Speaker 1>taking to the tall stream in the world or yeah,
<v Speaker 1>like damn, this feels spiritual. Shit. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And when you take people out of that and they
<v Speaker 2>have no context for it, and all they know is
<v Speaker 2>like the strip mall and the fucking highway and then
<v Speaker 2>the could detects they live in like that, that fucks
<v Speaker 2>people up. Man. Then they don't they're not aware of it,
<v Speaker 2>but it fucks them up. That's all you know is
<v Speaker 2>the human world. It's bleak.
<v Speaker 1>That's what fucked with me. From like socaw I like
<v Speaker 1>when we would drive on the froway to go to
<v Speaker 1>like uh To ante Brago or Joshua Tree. It drives
<v Speaker 1>through this area.
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was in San Diego County where they
<v Speaker 3>had like the most beautiful nowas you would ever see,
<v Speaker 3>and then right in front of it there's a fucking
<v Speaker 3>home depot in a Walmart.
<v Speaker 1>It would fuck with me every time. Dude.
<v Speaker 2>The United States, the United States commercial landscape, like the
<v Speaker 2>consumer landscape here, I think is one of the bleakest
<v Speaker 2>human landscapes it's ever been created anywhere. It's just I mean,
<v Speaker 2>especially just the fucking parking lot too, Like these parking
<v Speaker 2>lots with dying horticultural atrocity landscaping, you know, non native bullshit.
<v Speaker 1>You get a lot of crape.
<v Speaker 2>Myrtles out there, Jesse, Oh my god, dude, really spot
<v Speaker 2>with dry summers, with mediterrane in climate, with dry fucking summers,
<v Speaker 2>they're planting crate myrtles everywhere. Everything put in an irrigation system.
<v Speaker 1>And what I hate about them is if you chop
<v Speaker 1>them down.
<v Speaker 3>They do this weird ship and they start like bushing
<v Speaker 3>out on the bottom.
<v Speaker 2>It's so oh yeah, they just very spray. Yeah they'll
<v Speaker 2>eventually they'll die. If you go back every week and
<v Speaker 2>can kill those like you eventually exhaust the food reserves
<v Speaker 2>of the trunk. But that's why you need the teen vandals.
<v Speaker 2>Is somebody calling the teen vand get in the teen vandals.
<v Speaker 2>You need vandals. You're right, because vandalism is fun when
<v Speaker 2>you're a kid. You can get away with it. But
<v Speaker 2>you just got a direct directed at the correct targets, right,
<v Speaker 2>crate myrtles and public landscaping exactly.
<v Speaker 1>And don't be so scared of spray. That's the other
<v Speaker 1>lesson I learned from messing with them. It's like, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>you could be scared and hate spray, but yeah, anyway,
<v Speaker 1>I only use glyc estate sometimes, but also use like
<v Speaker 1>that paint. I'm not sure if it's life to say,
<v Speaker 1>but it's like a stump killer cho It paints at
<v Speaker 1>top of the stunt. Yeah, and that shit saves my
<v Speaker 1>life and it doesn't kill anything because when I come back,
<v Speaker 1>there's all the ship grown.
<v Speaker 2>It gets absorbed, It gets absorbed by the flowing by
<v Speaker 2>the vascular ring and then yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
<v Speaker 2>the thing the pushback about herbicide, it's like it's one
<v Speaker 2>of those things too, where it's like it's well intentioned,
<v Speaker 2>it's about spraying herbicide lazily and wantonly on things that
<v Speaker 2>could be removed easily, or especially spraying it on crops.
<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely fucked right. Using it for invasive removal. It's like, man, okay,
<v Speaker 2>well let's look at what happens when we don't do it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, this ship takes over and it's brutal.
<v Speaker 3>All the people who are like so against it for
<v Speaker 3>restoration should all be forced to like get helicopter dropped
<v Speaker 3>into like a forest of privet.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Scotch, how bad is the what's the worst? What's
<v Speaker 2>the worst invasives you see when you're when you're gallivanting
<v Speaker 2>around California.
<v Speaker 1>Look, that's gonna be such a hard one to pick
<v Speaker 1>because I want to say, I mean Malay and BlackBerry,
<v Speaker 1>but there's so many others too. Yeah, that's a boat
<v Speaker 1>in fair Oaks, So my area of fair Oaks along
<v Speaker 1>the river, fucking privets everywhere, Prisa, Well, they take over
<v Speaker 1>the ripa the river. Yeah, it's really bad.
<v Speaker 2>God, it's and it's it's so infuriating too to think that,
<v Speaker 2>like the reason that's here is because some knob who
<v Speaker 2>didn't know any better just put it in his landscaping
<v Speaker 2>and you know, thinking it would be, oh, it's an
<v Speaker 2>attractive bush. It's I just need it. I just need
<v Speaker 2>a landscaper to come by. I need some bushes, and
<v Speaker 2>that's just what you get. You just got a home
<v Speaker 2>home desk, but you just got to the big box
<v Speaker 2>store and that's what we have. There's no thought behind it,
<v Speaker 2>there's no like, man, you're actually you're you're planting something
<v Speaker 2>that's going to fuck up the entire right parian area
<v Speaker 2>behind your house and and lead to the declines of
<v Speaker 2>all the cool native plants that native insects and vertebrates need.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just ridiculous.
<v Speaker 3>I'll never understand it because, like I just like, honestly speaking,
<v Speaker 3>they're ugly as fuck, So like I for any of it.
<v Speaker 2>It's like basic bitch landscaping. That's what I call it.
<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like it's like the ship you see
<v Speaker 2>planted in front of the fucking Wells Fargo. Really you
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do, you know, it's planted by landscapers that don't
<v Speaker 2>actually spend time in nature, they don't spend time in
<v Speaker 2>the living world.
<v Speaker 1>They just you know, I went.
<v Speaker 2>To landscaping school. I'm a master gardener.
<v Speaker 1>Fucking man. That was like this one of my fans.
<v Speaker 3>I have a gorilla garden where I plant a lot
<v Speaker 3>of native plants by the freeway entrance on fifty and
<v Speaker 3>they were trying.
<v Speaker 1>To help out. I guess they planted a bunch of
<v Speaker 1>lavender plants and I got kissed. That's not I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's lame.
<v Speaker 2>It's like Hallmark, you know, greeting card diarrhea, but lavender
<v Speaker 2>at least it's lavender is not invasive out there, is it.
<v Speaker 2>It's just no, Yeah, it's just kind of.
<v Speaker 1>Like like I prefer my poppies. I had like poppies
<v Speaker 1>birds eye, Gillia, blue head, yeah, popping off.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>See that's the thing where like, you know, this is
<v Speaker 2>another thing. Before I like got I would have been
<v Speaker 2>a dick about it. And I'm still kind of an asshole,
<v Speaker 2>but not as much as I used to be. But
<v Speaker 2>now I would be like, hey, man, you know what
<v Speaker 2>you get into We have some native members of that
<v Speaker 2>same family that lavender's and it's actually got a place here,
<v Speaker 2>and Lavender, I know you mean, well, but this may
<v Speaker 2>not this is not the best thing. And by the way,
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna rip it out anyway, but you know, but
<v Speaker 2>you know how about this and then take the time
<v Speaker 2>to show because a lot of people just don't know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, where everybody's indoctrinated into the same bullshit in
<v Speaker 2>this society, you know, worshiping money, wanting stupid shit, trying
<v Speaker 2>to impress people with what you own, and that kind
<v Speaker 2>of lame shit. No one, you know, so few people
<v Speaker 2>are raised with any context for the living world.
<v Speaker 1>Around them, So it's so weird.
<v Speaker 2>I got more sympathy for it now than I used
<v Speaker 2>to get, you know, vitriol.
<v Speaker 3>But I used to snap easier, but now I'm a
<v Speaker 3>lot more calmer with that doing. I'm sure it's the
<v Speaker 3>same with you doing like social media stuff. Like for me,
<v Speaker 3>I used to get so annoyed with the comments and stuff,
<v Speaker 3>and then like one day after like I did it
<v Speaker 3>for like a year, I just I woke up and
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't give a fuck anymore.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've responded, Really, I see some of your responses
<v Speaker 2>to comments, and they're they're so chill, like so much
<v Speaker 2>more than I would be. And it's a commend you
<v Speaker 2>for that because I think that's that's how you slowly
<v Speaker 2>like turn people, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's like I feel like I have a
<v Speaker 3>responsibility because from talking shit about like Gavin Newsom, PG
<v Speaker 3>you all these things, I've gotten like a good amount
<v Speaker 3>of Republican followers that will like hit me up and
<v Speaker 3>be like yeah, I don't agree, Like they'll say funny
<v Speaker 3>shit like I don't like that you hate on Trump,
<v Speaker 3>but I trust you because you hate Gavin Newsom and
<v Speaker 3>it makes me laughed.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, hey man, whatever, whatever you
<v Speaker 2>need me to tell you to get you to start
<v Speaker 2>paying attention to plants around you. You know, so tribal
<v Speaker 2>s hyeah, it is tribal. It's fucking way. But that's
<v Speaker 2>what humans do. You know, we're crazy Chimps were always tribal.
<v Speaker 2>We find a way to be tribal about anything.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>Once the group site gets too big, the group splits
<v Speaker 2>and then how they start fighting with each other. But
<v Speaker 2>I just none of this ship should be political anyway,
<v Speaker 2>you know. I think, like, like the climate change never
<v Speaker 2>should have been pro political. It's just an issue. It's
<v Speaker 2>a problem we have to try and face and fix
<v Speaker 2>and yah.
<v Speaker 1>But the you know those looking back people.
<v Speaker 2>People just put propaganda, you know, the people who have
<v Speaker 2>an interest in doing some make it political so that
<v Speaker 2>it becomes something that Yeah, that's just easy to sway
<v Speaker 2>public opinion about.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we could have done the climate change things so
<v Speaker 3>much better, like looking back on it, like how the
<v Speaker 3>whole thing would starts.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it shit happens.
<v Speaker 3>I guess we shouldn't have put all our baskets in
<v Speaker 3>al Gore.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or just I mean, well the oil companies though,
<v Speaker 2>are so they were so good that just they still Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it pumping the propaganda out there in the doubt, but
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, so I don't want late now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I still wonder if there's ever you know, like there's
<v Speaker 3>emails from like the seventies, I believe, I like big
<v Speaker 3>oil knitting they do about climate change. I always wonder
<v Speaker 3>if there's going to be like a big tobacco moment,
<v Speaker 3>you know, like big Tobacco to go to Congress and
<v Speaker 3>they got hell of trouble and ship Like I'm like,
<v Speaker 3>where's that we already know they lie.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you mean for yeah, for the oil companies. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>maybe at some point, not anytime soon, not with the administration,
<v Speaker 2>but but yeah, man, have you seen him? You were
<v Speaker 2>you saw the fermonodendron right the the Pine Hill one. Yep, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I remember going there and that got the guy that
<v Speaker 2>lives down there was always a pain in the ass.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think I'm with the same guy. He's he's
<v Speaker 1>a doctor.
<v Speaker 2>He's like some he's got to be old as fuck now.
<v Speaker 2>But he was always and he was always upset like
<v Speaker 2>that people were going to He didn't own the land.
<v Speaker 2>He just was next to him. He was always upset
<v Speaker 2>that people were going to go look at that plant.
<v Speaker 2>And it was just like the definition of a busy body.
<v Speaker 2>He's like, why do you care? Man, It doesn't affect you.
<v Speaker 2>There's people, there's kids that want to learn about this
<v Speaker 2>really cool thing. Why don't you like help, you know,
<v Speaker 2>invite them in. You get to know him, not invite
<v Speaker 2>him into your house, but like, you know, talk to
<v Speaker 2>him and then go up there look at the plants
<v Speaker 2>with them, and then you can feel out whether there's
<v Speaker 2>someone to worry about out or not. And you know,
<v Speaker 2>if they're there to look at plants, they're probably not
<v Speaker 2>someone to worry about.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, seriously that habitat.
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you go over there because that's like one
<v Speaker 3>of my favorites.
<v Speaker 1>Fine Hill, I love that spot.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that guy would always he and I would always
<v Speaker 2>get into it and I tell them to go fuck himself,
<v Speaker 2>and he'd tell me he's gonna call the sheriff and
<v Speaker 2>be like, go ahead and do it. I don't give
<v Speaker 2>a fuck, you know, we just fight. But that was
<v Speaker 2>It's such an epic spot though. There's so much cool
<v Speaker 2>ship up there. Did you go all the way to
<v Speaker 2>the top or were you on the sides or what?
<v Speaker 3>I went to the top one time and there's I'll
<v Speaker 3>send you the exact location because it's kind of hard
<v Speaker 3>to described. But I found another one where it was
<v Speaker 3>at there's a area by Cameron Park that you pull
<v Speaker 3>over on the side of the road and you climb
<v Speaker 3>up this hill and then you get to another access
<v Speaker 3>point to it.
<v Speaker 1>And we also found a bunch of hybrids of it
<v Speaker 1>was Calcortas alvis uh hybridized with the yellow Star tulips,
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what's wild. Yeah, that whole habitat
<v Speaker 1>is a fucking mind fuck.
<v Speaker 2>It's so cool when you so, do you do you
<v Speaker 2>get because you've got a lot of people that you
<v Speaker 2>know when you were do you get I mean have
<v Speaker 2>you do you think you've turned a lot of people
<v Speaker 2>onto this stuff and paying attention.
<v Speaker 3>To the yeah, oh yeah, so many. And the other
<v Speaker 3>cool thing about it is I get like a lot
<v Speaker 3>of like younger people, Like I'll get like messages from
<v Speaker 3>like people look like they're like it's seventh grade, eighth grade.
<v Speaker 1>They'll send me a video they're like, dude, look at
<v Speaker 1>the native plants. I found this ship's gangster.
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, that's cool, man. I think for kids, like
<v Speaker 2>for younger people. When I say kids, I mean like
<v Speaker 2>a twenty year old's a kid to me. But especially
<v Speaker 2>for younger people, I think it's easy because you know,
<v Speaker 2>this has been such a like botany and ecology have
<v Speaker 2>been they've either been academia or it's been old people.
<v Speaker 2>No offense to the old people. You know, that formed
<v Speaker 2>a major the major demographic that was into this, and
<v Speaker 2>and now it's there's more younger people getting into it.
<v Speaker 2>And I don't see this so much in other countries
<v Speaker 2>to the extent that I see in the United States,
<v Speaker 2>but I think especially for younger people, like the world
<v Speaker 2>is so fucked, like it's so undeniably fucking you know it,
<v Speaker 2>And this is such a that's an antidote, you know.
<v Speaker 1>And it's a good way to help like climate doom too.
<v Speaker 1>Like if when you talk to people.
<v Speaker 3>There like I feel so hopeless, I don't know what
<v Speaker 3>to do. I'm like, well, if you killed your lawn
<v Speaker 3>or just planning some flowers there, it will.
<v Speaker 1>Make you feel a lot better and you all should
<v Speaker 1>be helping things. Yeah, and people want to.
<v Speaker 2>Help any of the native shrubs. Just I mean, you're
<v Speaker 2>doing something by learning about it. If you know someone's
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know what to do, it's just go
<v Speaker 2>go go out into nature and ask questions and ask, well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, what is this? What am I looking at?
<v Speaker 2>Why does it grow here? Why does the flower look
<v Speaker 2>like this? What pollinates it?
<v Speaker 1>What is it?
<v Speaker 2>You start piecing together these different relationships that compose the
<v Speaker 2>ecosystem around you, that evolved there over millions of years.
<v Speaker 2>It's really fascinating stuff. It fills the philosophical void within yourself,
<v Speaker 2>and it's that's a way to you know, show respect
<v Speaker 2>back to the land, you care about it, and then
<v Speaker 2>you can get other people hype on it. I mean
<v Speaker 2>that right, there is something to do.
<v Speaker 1>Yep.
<v Speaker 4>I agree, yeah, the hopeless.
<v Speaker 2>Because people will write me and they're like, I feel
<v Speaker 2>so hopeless, and I'm like, man, you got to have
<v Speaker 2>some perspective, like humanity is always humanity. He's always been
<v Speaker 2>a fucking mess, right, So the history is littered with
<v Speaker 2>mass graves and terrible things that happen. The granted, the
<v Speaker 2>scale is much bigger now now there's eight billion of us,
<v Speaker 2>but you know, things have always been dark. I mean,
<v Speaker 2>this isn't as bad as the you know that dark
<v Speaker 2>Day at sixty six million years ago where a comet
<v Speaker 2>knocked out all of life, you know, for stuff doubt terrestrial,
<v Speaker 2>you know, seventy percent of terrestrial life for a few
<v Speaker 2>million years.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, it's just that, you know, I have
<v Speaker 2>some context. I always tell them, learn the geologic timescale, right,
<v Speaker 2>like the different events that happened on it. But it'll
<v Speaker 2>come and go and we'll be gone at some point,
<v Speaker 2>or maybe we won't. Maybe we'll learn and get better,
<v Speaker 2>but who knows, man, I don't know. I mean, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's it's the process of living and being here and
<v Speaker 2>observing all this shit is fun. It doesn't doesn't need
<v Speaker 2>to be this this hopeless feeling, you know, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know it's I mean again, I don't know. I don't
<v Speaker 2>know people's what their mind state is or or what
<v Speaker 2>their thought train is. But uh, it doesn't need to
<v Speaker 2>be as bleak as it sounds, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean for like people like us too, like
<v Speaker 3>where that were like hell into like addiction at a
<v Speaker 3>point of time, it's really hard to feel like super
<v Speaker 3>team because I always, at least for me, I'll like
<v Speaker 3>think about like rock Bottom how I was, and I'm like, damn,
<v Speaker 3>sh it really doesn't prove.
<v Speaker 1>Like you know what I mean. Yeah, like you try,
<v Speaker 1>you can help you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be. It could be a lot worse,
<v Speaker 2>a lot worse. You could be totally lying to yourself
<v Speaker 2>and denying to take responsibility for your own actions and
<v Speaker 2>addicted to some you know, lame substance and whatever.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, spending your whole day looking for something so
<v Speaker 3>you don't feel sick all day like shit like that,
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm so over that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah yeah, So what do you what are your
<v Speaker 2>plans for the next few months.
<v Speaker 1>Flowers. I want to go just look for a hell
<v Speaker 1>of flowers. And I want to go to head Hatchy
<v Speaker 1>and so I.
<v Speaker 3>Love that area being a serpentine there's actually like a
<v Speaker 3>random serpentine outcrop on between, like right before you get
<v Speaker 3>to hetch Hetchy, and it's insane. There's so many Clarkias
<v Speaker 3>and serpentine sunflower.
<v Speaker 1>It's just insane. You know what's cool?
<v Speaker 2>Have you been to Ione before?
<v Speaker 1>I like over by Branchia Marietta. Uh, I've not.
<v Speaker 2>I think it's I forget what county it is, but
<v Speaker 2>there's a cool Arctostaphalos that grows there. And it's another
<v Speaker 2>weird soil type. There's these Uh it's ladderite soil, which
<v Speaker 2>is like very iron rich. It's a fucking bizarre substrate.
<v Speaker 2>There's Arctostaphlos myrdifolia there. I think that's the name of it.
<v Speaker 4>I haven't.
<v Speaker 2>It's been years. Man again my California butt and he's
<v Speaker 2>a little a little rusty. But uh, but it's not
<v Speaker 2>just another one of these areas. It's geologically very interesting.
<v Speaker 2>And it's Sierra Nevada foothills a little ways east of
<v Speaker 2>Sacramento and maybe a little bit south and there's a
<v Speaker 2>bunch of rare plants there.
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 4>Now.
<v Speaker 1>I've never been over there, but I think I know
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's ghost pines everywhere, and it's you know,
<v Speaker 2>the soil looks fucking rough man. It's crazy. When I
<v Speaker 2>used to when I worked for the railroad and I
<v Speaker 2>would get sent to Roseville, you know, for a few
<v Speaker 2>days if my days off I did. It's like one
<v Speaker 2>of the places I would go to is I own.
<v Speaker 1>I have to check that out because I've never looked
<v Speaker 1>around over there, but I try past that area a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of time.
<v Speaker 3>Like the road do you use over there is the
<v Speaker 3>same road you used to go to, like Calveras County
<v Speaker 3>and stuff, just a different direction.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, let me find it. My iis fucking up,
<v Speaker 2>but U But there was a you know, it's one
<v Speaker 2>of those spots, like anything you go look at for
<v Speaker 2>some rare species and then there's a whole bunch of
<v Speaker 2>other cool stuff there as well.
<v Speaker 1>Can you find some rare milkweed in the serpentine as well? Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>That was a Sclepias solana Juana, that's the Serpentine Valley.
<v Speaker 2>That thing's fucking nuts man. That's a really bizarre The
<v Speaker 2>spot I saw it at was in Napa County, but
<v Speaker 2>it goes all the way up into Trinity. It's mostly
<v Speaker 2>the Northern Coast Ranges. But it's like a prostrate milk weed.
<v Speaker 2>It stays pretty close to the ground. It's got fuzzy
<v Speaker 2>blue leaves, Like the leaves are like this beautiful aquamarine blue,
<v Speaker 2>and then the flowers just look fucking insane. And I'm
<v Speaker 2>surprised nobody's growing that. I don't think anybody is growing
<v Speaker 2>that a scleepy as Solana wanna, Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>We don't need serpentine to grow home or can you
<v Speaker 1>grow it?
<v Speaker 2>Just like can kind of a lot of that serpentine
<v Speaker 2>stuff doesn't need serpentine. It just it's evolved tolerance to serpentine.
<v Speaker 2>I think it is the way it works with a
<v Speaker 2>lot of endemic you know, uh edaphic endemics, like plants
<v Speaker 2>that are specialized on certain geologies, like whether it's sand
<v Speaker 2>or gypsum or whatever, like, they can just tolerate it
<v Speaker 2>and other plants can't, and so they're able to grow there.
<v Speaker 2>But then what they end up not being able to
<v Speaker 2>tolerate is competition, like getting shaded or crowded out from
<v Speaker 2>other plants, and so yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And they don't have to worry about that on the
<v Speaker 3>serpentine at least, So it's chilling.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they could just take because you know, you're
<v Speaker 2>growing on serpentine, you're not going to get very big.
<v Speaker 2>That's why serpentine plants, even the ones that can tolerate it,
<v Speaker 2>always look kind of fucked up in scraggly and dwarfed,
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, but yeah, I'm not I thought I
<v Speaker 2>had I thought I had photos from maybe I never
<v Speaker 2>made Oh you know what, I wasn't using I neat
<v Speaker 2>back then when I saw you weps. No, So I
<v Speaker 2>didn't put a record up.
<v Speaker 1>Bummer you should, man, because I think it's probably rare,
<v Speaker 1>isn't it rare? Shit?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's super rare. And they were getting fucked up
<v Speaker 2>by some introduced pathogen. I think it was a Pytoptera species,
<v Speaker 2>another Fytoptera, you know, and algae that became parasitic. Let
<v Speaker 2>me see if I pipe in, I oon. Yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>was such a cool spot. There used to be this
<v Speaker 2>website called biohere dot org that yeah, there it is okay.
<v Speaker 2>February sixth, twenty eighteen. It was really the last time
<v Speaker 2>I was there. It was called biohere dot org, and
<v Speaker 2>it was a list of all these incredible spots in
<v Speaker 2>northern California. There was one right off I think it
<v Speaker 2>was near Vacaville, right, because you think of thatall you
<v Speaker 2>think of like car dealerships and billboards and shit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like, but there was this old.
<v Speaker 2>Travertine spring on the north side of A eight in Vacaville,
<v Speaker 2>And you said, biohere, yeah dot Oregon. I think it's
<v Speaker 2>long gone, but it had a list of all these
<v Speaker 2>spots and interesting things about them. I wonder if it's
<v Speaker 2>on if it's on archive dot PhH, that would be
<v Speaker 2>fucking sor. Yeah, there was this travertine spring man and
<v Speaker 2>it was you could you were totally trespassing going there.
<v Speaker 2>But there was like this pit in the ground and
<v Speaker 2>there was an old, like nineteen fifties Chevy pickup truck
<v Speaker 2>with a fucking uh live oak growing up through the
<v Speaker 2>center of it and like popping out of the windshield
<v Speaker 2>and the whole thing was rusted. It was the coolest
<v Speaker 2>fucking area. It's probably gone now. Someone probably bought it
<v Speaker 2>and turned into something whack. But yeah, but damn it
<v Speaker 2>was so fucking Let me see if I can find it. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it went offline one day biohere dot org and it
<v Speaker 2>had and I had descriptions of all the species that
<v Speaker 2>could be found there, plant and animal, and yeah, it
<v Speaker 2>was a really cool resource. Man, let me see where
<v Speaker 2>the fuck this is. I can't find it, but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that area has got some cool stuff.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>That whole area I used to get called there for
<v Speaker 2>railroad japs, like between Sacramento and uh Ballejo.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that area. I actually go like, have you been
<v Speaker 1>to Rockville Hills Park over there?
<v Speaker 2>No, where's that it?
<v Speaker 3>It's I think it's considered Fairfield. It's basically like Vacaville
<v Speaker 3>in between both of them. It's like this random ass
<v Speaker 3>like city park that has biodiversity for fucking days. Dude,
<v Speaker 3>has like old lava caps and crazy geology and so
<v Speaker 3>you get like vernal pools, fritillaria, Calicoria's blue dicks.
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, god man, there was. Have you have you spent
<v Speaker 2>any time in reading There's some really cool That's.
<v Speaker 1>The one area I haven't I want to though so bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should go up to Redding and in the
<v Speaker 2>Dun's mirror weed area and all that, there's there's cool
<v Speaker 2>go go check out like Baker Cyprus, a timbered crater
<v Speaker 2>that's a fucking you could take a civic out there.
<v Speaker 2>I took a civic out there fifteen years.
<v Speaker 1>All day.
<v Speaker 2>It's all lava and there's there's lava caves everywhere, and
<v Speaker 2>you can see areas where, like the Lot, you could
<v Speaker 2>tell the ground you're standing on was like molten at
<v Speaker 2>one point and then just cracked and like cooled in
<v Speaker 2>this like bans you know, and kind of caved in.
<v Speaker 2>But it still looks like you're standing on caved in putty.
<v Speaker 4>It's fucking weird, insane.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, bio here is long gone, but there's my photos
<v Speaker 2>from Ion.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>God, it's such a dope habitat. Yeah. Yeah, this man's
<v Speaker 2>the need. It gets like two feet tall and grows
<v Speaker 2>on this fucked up soil, like really iron rich, bizarre soil.
<v Speaker 1>But that's insane. I would have never thought of Ion
<v Speaker 1>having like such epic plant communities, So I'm definitely gonna
<v Speaker 1>have to check that out.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well this, you know, California's got so much
<v Speaker 2>public land, thank god, cause you find Yeah, I remember
<v Speaker 2>my dogs we got locked There was this spot we
<v Speaker 2>used to go to access it and I got locked
<v Speaker 2>in there one day because I think it was a
<v Speaker 2>mine nearby or something or some sort of quarry. And
<v Speaker 2>so that after that, that's when I learned to keep
<v Speaker 2>bolt cutters in my truck. You know, Yes, that's I
<v Speaker 2>learn you got locked in some places before?
<v Speaker 1>What Yeah, I won't say an exact trail, but it's
<v Speaker 1>over by Fulesome, like there's a there's some chopper all
<v Speaker 1>over there. I got locked in before.
<v Speaker 2>Damn.
<v Speaker 4>It's such a dick.
<v Speaker 2>I want to to lock those doors. Like if someone's
<v Speaker 2>trying to be a dick too, because they got to
<v Speaker 2>know your cars, they're just being well, fuck you, but
<v Speaker 2>they got an angle grinder in the truck, so you're fucked.
<v Speaker 1>It's just funny because like you can't get a ticket
<v Speaker 1>because I'm not doing anything like truly illegal, but they
<v Speaker 1>still lock you in there. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like they're just trying to be a dick.
<v Speaker 2>You know, call to get your way out. Yeah, man,
<v Speaker 2>are you gonna go to the desert. There's a bunch
<v Speaker 2>of there's a bunch of stuff going off in uh
<v Speaker 2>my hobby right now.
<v Speaker 3>I know I should have went to Death Valley. That
<v Speaker 3>was the one spot I didn't check out. It looks
<v Speaker 3>like it's going off right now. You gotta go see funeral.
<v Speaker 2>Funeral Mountain stage.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wanted to see, didn't Sheriff Wood. He was
<v Speaker 1>just looking at the Which one was the Death Valley?
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one you're talking about?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?
<v Speaker 2>So a few nar Yeah, but it grows down into
<v Speaker 2>the the uh like Bristol Mountains too, and like the
<v Speaker 2>where else what's the other could couldiz area and ship
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, there's like random patches of limestone where
<v Speaker 2>there's disjunct populations. But it's such a that's such a
<v Speaker 2>cool plant man, And he was he I think he
<v Speaker 2>discovered some new species of buck of true but yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>something that like evolved perfect crypsis because that's a wooly
<v Speaker 2>like a white wooly ass sage. You know, it's a
<v Speaker 2>really that's one of the cool so.
<v Speaker 1>Many hairs and tri combes and so yeah, it's so
<v Speaker 1>cool looking.
<v Speaker 2>And this bug just blends in perfectly and then parasitizes
<v Speaker 2>the thing too, like it feeds on on this selvia.
<v Speaker 2>So and he couldn't find any. He finds crazy stuff
<v Speaker 2>all the time. He just he just he just described
<v Speaker 2>the new plant speech. He's a new Xylo riza that
<v Speaker 2>he found in the panaments. I think it's Xylo Risa
<v Speaker 2>PanAm intensis.
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he got Bruce Baldwin to help him describe it,
<v Speaker 2>and it's fucking nuts, new spec But he just goes.
<v Speaker 2>He goes everywhere that people don't. I mean, he's you know,
<v Speaker 2>he's spent the last fifteen years of his life doing
<v Speaker 2>these long distance hikes in the middle of nowhere. He
<v Speaker 2>just did the Bibbum Yep track in Western Australia. And
<v Speaker 2>so he'll go in Death Valley and he'll I mean
<v Speaker 2>he'll literally look at an eye naturalist map of observations
<v Speaker 2>of where stuff's been recorded and see, oh, while no
<v Speaker 2>one's no one's been there, there's a blank area, there's
<v Speaker 2>there's no high naturalist observations from that area. I'm gonna
<v Speaker 2>go there and he'll just go hike over and see
<v Speaker 2>what's there. He's found so much wild ship.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I think there's two other monkey flower species he found
<v Speaker 2>that weren't described yet, that were new to science. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>really nice humble guy too. Really have you re met
<v Speaker 2>him before?
<v Speaker 1>No? No?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really really sometimes yeah, No, he's yeah, he's cool,
<v Speaker 2>he's a Yeah. We went to Chile together, and where
<v Speaker 2>the fuck else? Have we been to? A few places?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tasmania?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I want to Tasmania is so bad.
<v Speaker 2>He's fun to travel with. Yeah, Tasmania is nuts. It's
<v Speaker 2>i mean, just a tree, just old old plant lineages
<v Speaker 2>in temperate rainforest, you know.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it look it feels like a humble two point zero,
<v Speaker 3>like the trees with all the fog.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, and some of those some of the plants there,
<v Speaker 2>I mean there's there's fossil pollen of them on you know,
<v Speaker 2>Antarctica from when Tasmanian Antarctica and you know a few
<v Speaker 2>other condents were all connected. It's it's just crazy to
<v Speaker 2>think about. Yeah, you really feel like you're at the
<v Speaker 2>end the edge of the world down there, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like remnants of Gondwana.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I love it. I've never been. I need
<v Speaker 1>to start traveling. You're lucky that you go like outside
<v Speaker 1>of America and look at shit, that's where I wanted
<v Speaker 1>to so bad.
<v Speaker 2>I had this fucking hunger for it, Like you know,
<v Speaker 2>I've had a hunger for that forever. Like that's what.
<v Speaker 2>I just want to see everything. I want to see
<v Speaker 2>what's out there and learn, you know, Like I don't
<v Speaker 2>care about traveling to see culture and cities and all
<v Speaker 2>that shit. I don't care. I'll go to some museums
<v Speaker 2>and stuff whatever, but like, you know, I want to
<v Speaker 2>see the plants. That's fuck the people. I want to
<v Speaker 2>see the plants the most, you know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's crazy because so many people do the opposite,
<v Speaker 1>and I'll never understand that mindset and the way I
<v Speaker 1>look at it.
<v Speaker 2>The plants have been there a lot longer, and that's
<v Speaker 2>what's really interesting to me. There's just so much more
<v Speaker 2>context for like the wild plants, you know how they've
<v Speaker 2>they've literally been built and shaped by the landscape that
<v Speaker 2>grow in be a natural selection.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I always get people asking me like, well,
<v Speaker 3>don't you want to grow them all that?
<v Speaker 1>Don't you want to grow all the deadly is don't
<v Speaker 1>you want to do this? I'm like, not, bitch, I
<v Speaker 1>want to go see him in the wild. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 1>what I want to do.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also like yeah, man, I'm not going to
<v Speaker 2>try to grow something that's like I'll post I'll post
<v Speaker 2>stuff like cool native plants that grow in South Texas
<v Speaker 2>and someone hits me up from southern California. They're like,
<v Speaker 2>would that grow out here? And I'm like, I don't know, maybe,
<v Speaker 2>probably not. It's not hot enough out there and it's
<v Speaker 2>a little more humid here. But you've got your own
<v Speaker 2>cast of cool natives that are related to this thing
<v Speaker 2>that are out there. You know, you should get into those,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then they're kind of like, oh, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I never thought about that, you know. And then maybe
<v Speaker 2>I'll hear from them like a year or two later
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, man, I got into all this, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's so cool, like all this shit that I I
<v Speaker 2>am learning about now. So yeah, but that's what, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I blame that's what. That's what like modern horticulture teaches us, right,
<v Speaker 2>like just grow plants whatever's interesting to you, and like, yeah, okay, cool,
<v Speaker 2>But like also what about like having understanding for your
<v Speaker 2>own ecosystem, right and wanting to know what grows there?
<v Speaker 2>And like why try to get a square peg to
<v Speaker 2>fit in around hole? Why try to get a plant
<v Speaker 2>from South Texas to grow in uh, Southern California. If
<v Speaker 2>it's like if it's like a cool cactus species here
<v Speaker 2>in do I get it? But like, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, It's just there's they're trying to get
<v Speaker 2>people to appreciate where they are, but that can be
<v Speaker 2>hard when all the habitat has been cleared and there's
<v Speaker 2>just strip malls and bullshit around. You know.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the worst. I'll never understand it.
<v Speaker 3>Like like people that get into horticulture to be like, yo,
<v Speaker 3>I just want to make a different color.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like show garden shit. You know, it's like
<v Speaker 2>the showgarden stuff. I was fucking I had a you know,
<v Speaker 2>you see you go to Botanic Gardens and you see that,
<v Speaker 2>you know, you see Berkeley is fucking amazing because it's
<v Speaker 2>the complete opposite. Like you go everything separated by different
<v Speaker 2>gat you know where it's from geographically. Yeah, But then
<v Speaker 2>you go to like, god, I went to some like
<v Speaker 2>Botanic Gardens and Lumbus, Ohio and all and I were
<v Speaker 2>on tour and I was like, this is fucking brutal, man,
<v Speaker 2>this is like Hallmark Garden. You know, yeah, like look
<v Speaker 2>at the color. It's everything's planted in a line and
<v Speaker 2>it's so pretty.
<v Speaker 1>Shit, it's so weird. Have you been to the one
<v Speaker 1>in Mendicino, No, what's it?
<v Speaker 2>Like?
<v Speaker 1>It's a Mendocino coast when they have some cool.
<v Speaker 3>Data plants, but since it's hard to grow stuff, they
<v Speaker 3>have something as well, like weird shit like that. But
<v Speaker 3>what's cool about them is like it's mainly it's people
<v Speaker 3>go there for mushrooms. So like if you go there
<v Speaker 3>during mushroom season, we'll find like fifty different kinds of
<v Speaker 3>mushrooms at the botanical garden.
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Oh yeah, just just loving all the leaf
<v Speaker 2>litter and love.
<v Speaker 3>It's really cool. Like it's almost like a mycology garden.
<v Speaker 2>What do you doing the summer there in the valley
<v Speaker 2>because it gets hot as balls, right and everything's dry.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I usually will just go to the mountains, Like there's
<v Speaker 3>really like Kiper's area, like over the Sierras. There's some
<v Speaker 3>really high elevation places over there that get to like
<v Speaker 3>I think gets almost eight thousand feet And we'll go
<v Speaker 3>over there in like August and it'll still be popping off.
<v Speaker 1>It's so cool.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like high elevations are just waking up July
<v Speaker 2>and August.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so nice. But so besides hibiscus, that pretty
<v Speaker 1>much once it gets to like July, I'm not really
<v Speaker 1>looking for much stuff in the valley. It's just so
<v Speaker 1>fucking hot.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you were amped. I forgot that you were
<v Speaker 2>amped in that hibiscus species for a while. Yeah. I
<v Speaker 2>love that.
<v Speaker 1>I love that thing.
<v Speaker 3>You're the only person I've ever talked to that looks
<v Speaker 3>for that plant too.
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it. It's such a fucking cool plant.
<v Speaker 2>Have you been growing that at all?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I have like thirty at my house.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's dope.
<v Speaker 1>What do you what are you grow them in?
<v Speaker 2>Do you need to grow them in a like a
<v Speaker 2>tub or something once you've got them poted up, or
<v Speaker 2>what do you doing?
<v Speaker 3>They're in the ground. They're in the ground. So I
<v Speaker 3>have I have them like in two different sections. One
<v Speaker 3>is next to the big air conditioners, so like water trips,
<v Speaker 3>and then the other one is in the shaded.
<v Speaker 1>Area by the house where I just water it every
<v Speaker 1>other day and it does fine. But they actually don't
<v Speaker 1>need to like in the wild obviously want more water.
<v Speaker 1>But in the ground, I've never really had one die
<v Speaker 1>from not enough water. Yeah, they don't bloom.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried to grow on in Oakland
<v Speaker 2>on Mendela Parkway, and it like it was not well,
<v Speaker 2>you know, but then you see them where they grow,
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, yeah, their feet are wet. They got
<v Speaker 2>wet feet. But yeah, I wonder how that thing. I
<v Speaker 2>wonder how that thing made it out there though, because
<v Speaker 2>it's it's so disjunk like the rest of the populations
<v Speaker 2>and you know, like a thousand miles east, Like how
<v Speaker 2>did that?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so weird.
<v Speaker 3>And it's all I'm already like like we've said before,
<v Speaker 3>like in DMS, like it's already like disappearing because all
<v Speaker 3>the agriculture and stuff, and somehow it's still fighting through.
<v Speaker 3>Like we found like I believe thirty, no, thirty probably
<v Speaker 3>actually like twenty.
<v Speaker 1>I'll have to look on in at populate random populations
<v Speaker 1>with them and elk grow Jesus, I swear really like
<v Speaker 1>we were just yeah, I was.
<v Speaker 3>I was looking for them. My friend Cliff, I think
<v Speaker 3>you know him close to the burder he was driving
<v Speaker 3>on I believe it's eighty or it's five over by
<v Speaker 3>alcro Any messaging is like, dude, all the Frauda's side
<v Speaker 3>of the freeway, it's by.
<v Speaker 1>The wildlife area for like the birds.
<v Speaker 3>I just saw high biscuits. You need to drive over here,
<v Speaker 3>and I wasn't able to get to it. So we
<v Speaker 3>pulled to the side of the road where a creek
<v Speaker 3>was and then I found some and then we saw
<v Speaker 3>like a water treatment area and we looked over there
<v Speaker 3>we found even more.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was mind blowing.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The thing is like the fucking flowers are like
<v Speaker 2>the diameter of a football. Man, It's it's crazy, yes,
<v Speaker 2>but they're getting choked. No, what's the invasives that are
<v Speaker 2>choking them out?
<v Speaker 3>I forget it's the water, primrose, the handling and BlackBerry.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was the blackberries. You go to the delta,
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the delta's fucked up. That must have
<v Speaker 2>been a BlackBerry that must have been an incredible ecosystem
<v Speaker 2>five hundred years ago. Holy fuck.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the delta.
<v Speaker 1>And looking for him.
<v Speaker 3>You get fucked up by the blackberries when you're looking
<v Speaker 3>for him.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I hate those things, man. I mean the fruit's good whatever,
<v Speaker 2>but there it's one of the most vicious plants. I
<v Speaker 2>think it's it's I don't even I think that's a hybrid, right,
<v Speaker 2>I don't even think that BlackBerry is native anywhere. I
<v Speaker 2>think it was created by people.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think uh, lucid per Bank, right, Luthiber Bank
<v Speaker 1>made it.
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure I should look this up. I forget.
<v Speaker 2>I just remember.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I mean they they're fucking brutal, man, They're like uh
<v Speaker 2>like and they're all over the like track side areas too,
<v Speaker 2>in northern California.
<v Speaker 4>That black lay dude.
<v Speaker 2>God, it's fucking brutal.
<v Speaker 4>It's horrible.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 3>My gram's property, she has a property that we live
<v Speaker 3>on now. She died, so we're sold right now. It's
<v Speaker 3>like fixing things and it's on almost an acre and
<v Speaker 3>there's no bud now by any water, not by anything
<v Speaker 3>that she didn't water. She had Alzheimer's, you know what
<v Speaker 3>I mean, she had sprinklers and there's still blackberries everywhere.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how the fuck are they surflying? Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 1>that's the plant.
<v Speaker 2>That's that's like another plant where like you need her beside, right,
<v Speaker 2>you cut it and then apply all side to this
<v Speaker 2>stem and uh yeah, I didn't even know to cut it,
<v Speaker 2>Like how would you need like fucking industrial hedgeres or
<v Speaker 2>something and something with a metal blade like a a
<v Speaker 2>weed whack one of like the more heavy duty weed whackers.
<v Speaker 2>It's got like a cable instead of a because those
<v Speaker 2>stems are care.
<v Speaker 1>Fucking woody, ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got worth.
<v Speaker 1>Jean, I'm worth thick jeans because they fight back. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was going out into northern California
<v Speaker 2>when I was really getting into first getting into body,
<v Speaker 2>and this was like two thousand and seven, maybe after
<v Speaker 2>it because I got my first current two thousand and
<v Speaker 2>six and it was a Honda prelude. Then I was like, fuck,
<v Speaker 2>I can go anywhere. And when I was first going out,
<v Speaker 2>I remember I was so terrified at ticks. I was
<v Speaker 2>just terrified. Oh my god, no, no, you know, I
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go into bushes because I was worried i'd get
<v Speaker 2>a tick. You know, it's just like fucking go in
<v Speaker 2>there and just just check yourself after. But I was
<v Speaker 2>too Yeah, it took me a few years to get
<v Speaker 2>over it. But uh, our show was so funny, man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I forgot that used to be a thing.
<v Speaker 2>I used to have, like this fear of ticks. You know,
<v Speaker 2>first time ever got fit was on my nuts and
<v Speaker 2>then I found like another one on my arm and
<v Speaker 2>I would just be ah because I was all freaked out.
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get lime disease, you know. But yeah, man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Now it's just like just pull them
<v Speaker 2>off just.
<v Speaker 1>To get in my chests. Yeah, that's that's what I hate.
<v Speaker 1>That's an armpit area ches. Yeah, that's where I always
<v Speaker 1>find them. I think, like rub my chest and like,
<v Speaker 1>oh shit.
<v Speaker 2>I think the ticks get really bad too because of
<v Speaker 2>fire suppression. I know that's the case out east. I
<v Speaker 2>mean that's why ticks are so bad on the East
<v Speaker 2>Coast because fire has been surpressed, like your fire when
<v Speaker 2>you get sixty inches of rainy year as opposed to
<v Speaker 2>you know, a long dry summer. You know, like the
<v Speaker 2>fire intervals out east need to be in a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the wild lands out there need to be like
<v Speaker 2>between two and five years, like Florida, Like a lot
<v Speaker 2>of fire dependent habitat in Florida, like on a Lake
<v Speaker 2>Wales ridge, and there were fire returning intervals like one
<v Speaker 2>to three years, whereas out west it's like every twenty
<v Speaker 2>to fifty years, depending on where it is. But I
<v Speaker 2>mean you see out of the plants in California fire
<v Speaker 2>that dude, like the man's the needst exactly won't germinate
<v Speaker 2>with a fire, you know. And when you suppress all that, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>then you get fuels build up and you get catastrophic fires.
<v Speaker 2>But then you also get the fucking ticks rid.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and right here also, you know how like we
<v Speaker 3>had the drought for so long here we had no
<v Speaker 3>like mega fires obviously, but we had the drought and
<v Speaker 3>now we've had like four years in a row with
<v Speaker 3>some good rain.
<v Speaker 1>The chinks are fucking everywhere. Dude, it's so bad this year.
<v Speaker 3>That's like I find him on my legs every time
<v Speaker 3>I get down to like take a picture of a flower.
<v Speaker 1>There's so many.
<v Speaker 2>Does anybody control burns in California? Yeah, Northern California.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my friend's scorch does it on properties. And uh
<v Speaker 1>there's a guy named Zeke his channels called the Lookout
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube. He does controlled burns and he works with
<v Speaker 1>an organization called the Bute County Prescribed Burn Association. And
<v Speaker 1>what they do is they get landowners to do it
<v Speaker 1>and they teach them how to do and they do
<v Speaker 1>like group burns.
<v Speaker 2>Burns or when I guess, if you're not burning in
<v Speaker 2>the lake winter, it's not that bad.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sadly.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, winter and like anything after May is a no.
<v Speaker 1>Usually, that's how I usually see it. Yeah, before May good.
<v Speaker 3>After May they say no, and then May their CalFire
<v Speaker 3>does it? The verna pools, May cal fire burns.
<v Speaker 2>That's cool. Yeah, I mean out there you have to
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise the fuels build up and the only other
<v Speaker 2>option is I mean it's insane to think you can
<v Speaker 2>just go in there with a bunch of people cutting shit.
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's I guess you could, but it's so
<v Speaker 2>it's so intensive and it would require so much mandpower
<v Speaker 2>and time. Yeah, it's fucking nuts man, just burning at
<v Speaker 2>the right time of year, you know, like it was
<v Speaker 2>exactly thousands.
<v Speaker 1>Of years and it's nothing's going to go. Like, there's mistakes,
<v Speaker 1>but it's worth it. Like you remember the moon Have
<v Speaker 1>you heard about the moon fire? Yeah? Where was it?
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what county it was.
<v Speaker 3>I think it was over by Chico, so it was
<v Speaker 3>probably Butte County or Tama And it was started by SPI.
<v Speaker 1>The ser Pacific Industries fucked them.
<v Speaker 3>They were doing a cleanup burn, you know, like they
<v Speaker 3>clear clotted everything and did a cleanup burn, and it
<v Speaker 3>got it got out of control, and so the government
<v Speaker 3>charged them. I don't want to give the wrong number.
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's like one hundred million dollars. It's what
<v Speaker 3>they had to pay. And the effects from that is
<v Speaker 3>now a lot of these private lumber people and even
<v Speaker 3>private like homeowners, they don't want to do because they're scared.
<v Speaker 3>And so when you do a controlled burn in California
<v Speaker 3>sometimes most of the time you have to have cal
<v Speaker 3>fire there, but CalFire won't start the fire.
<v Speaker 1>You have to start the fire, and then they help
<v Speaker 1>because they don't want any legal liability.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fun, well, because they can just get so
<v Speaker 2>fucking it's so gnarly there because it's just so much fire.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's a lot of people houses and ship.
<v Speaker 2>When you have this summer, when you got the summer
<v Speaker 2>being the dry the hottest time of year being the
<v Speaker 2>driest time of year, that's it's it's fucking brutal man.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just the risk is so high. And
<v Speaker 2>I had friends and friends that lived in Weed that
<v Speaker 2>were doing they and they bought the friend of mine
<v Speaker 2>and bought like forty acres turn into like a nonprofit.
<v Speaker 2>They were doing a lot of restoration and planting native
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. It was really cool, but it was an
<v Speaker 2>old It was an old pine plantation. So everything was
<v Speaker 2>planted and all the pines were planted in uniform lines
<v Speaker 2>and they kept growing, but they hadn't been limbed up,
<v Speaker 2>so all the branches down below die as the pine
<v Speaker 2>grows up, especially when the pines are planted close to
<v Speaker 2>each other and the lower branches aren't getting light anymore,
<v Speaker 2>the tree just abbs scizis them and says fuck it,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And so it was just you get these
<v Speaker 2>ladder fires. And it took them a few years of
<v Speaker 2>going in there, limbing everything up and then having and
<v Speaker 2>then setting it in a burn pile and then letting
<v Speaker 2>it sit there till winter when it was safe to burn.
<v Speaker 2>And then oh yeah, and there was there was. Percy
<v Speaker 2>had tried in Tata and Arctostaphelos, the manzanita and the
<v Speaker 2>antelope brush in the understory, and that it all died
<v Speaker 2>once they got the private light. And those are like
<v Speaker 2>four or five foot tall shrubs that are just cages
<v Speaker 2>of these you know, poky branches that would then dry
<v Speaker 2>as fucking just like total tinder box man.
<v Speaker 3>So Mantanita burns hot like I didn't really fully realize
<v Speaker 3>until I saw it once when my friend was doing
<v Speaker 3>the RX burn.
<v Speaker 1>The what the fuck?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, yeah, and it's it's a yeah. It's like
<v Speaker 2>a lot of species are they need fire, Like their
<v Speaker 2>seeds won't germinate without it. They won't you know, they've
<v Speaker 2>got those big ass burrows. Yeah, that will re sprout
<v Speaker 2>after a fire.
<v Speaker 1>The fire stuff is tope. Man, it's so interesting.
<v Speaker 3>My friend Scorch what he does is he goes to
<v Speaker 3>light in Nevada County and he convinces hoa communities that
<v Speaker 3>like build like hellscapes where they shouldn't in like the
<v Speaker 3>middle of the forest.
<v Speaker 1>And the.
<v Speaker 3>And he does RX burns around their prop like around
<v Speaker 3>the entire community and he's he's ship, I'll.
<v Speaker 1>Send you his stuff. That man is to go. He's
<v Speaker 1>so cool. Yes, he hates cow he hates cal fire though,
<v Speaker 1>how come just because they deny him permits all the time,
<v Speaker 1>And they tried to get him in trouble before for
<v Speaker 1>doing a burn, so they like showed up and tried
<v Speaker 1>to get him in trouble and then the DA dropped it.
<v Speaker 1>So it's just like he's sick of the drama.
<v Speaker 3>Like one time, they denied him a fire permit because
<v Speaker 3>they said it was too hot, and then they changed
<v Speaker 3>their mind and they were driving over and it started raining,
<v Speaker 3>and apparently instead of giving him a permit, they stopped
<v Speaker 3>and started fighting people that were trying to do burns. So,
<v Speaker 3>like the bad of count he's crazy. It's just a
<v Speaker 3>crazy area of California.
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that where it is?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's valley area. Damn.
<v Speaker 2>I found a fucking I found the naturalized population of
<v Speaker 2>cranberry's there, you know, because really yeah, because they're that's
<v Speaker 2>an East Coast species. But uh, the ground there was
<v Speaker 2>so acidified because it was all tailings from hydraulic mining
<v Speaker 2>from the the forty nine ers. The ground was so
<v Speaker 2>acidified that, yeah, I guess cranberries had naturalized in this
<v Speaker 2>bog and it was like a low lying boggy area.
<v Speaker 2>It was wild, man, there was a bunch of it
<v Speaker 2>was a highly crazy, highly ascetic soil. Yeah, and then
<v Speaker 2>vaccinian vaccini and macrocarpon growing there. It's just pleasant memories
<v Speaker 2>of living out there. I miss it, man. I just
<v Speaker 2>it's so fucking expensive, you know, I think, Yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>know I can see what you get people like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>living under bridges and over there.
<v Speaker 1>It's funny.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my family's like a calm, a calm that sounds bad,
<v Speaker 3>but like it's like my sister's my mom and they're fit,
<v Speaker 3>like we all have to pay together.
<v Speaker 1>It's expensive.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, man, it's it's nuts. It's a fucking you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't.
<v Speaker 1>Know, just like gas here is so expensive right now,
<v Speaker 1>it's like almost six.
<v Speaker 2>Dollars since since since Trump started.
<v Speaker 1>It's heartburn. God, what is it?
<v Speaker 2>It's like seven bucks a gawn?
<v Speaker 1>What is it?
<v Speaker 2>Right now?
<v Speaker 3>It's six it's five point fifty five at some places,
<v Speaker 3>and then once you get on like away from like
<v Speaker 3>the inner city, then it's a towards six.
<v Speaker 1>It's so bad.
<v Speaker 2>Then you're well you're forced to drive everywhere by the
<v Speaker 2>the infrastructure too, if you don't live in a city.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's especially Sacramento. The public transit Sacramento is like hilarious.
<v Speaker 1>It's so bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, I know they got those little those
<v Speaker 2>like dinky little street cars, but uh I remember that,
<v Speaker 2>but I mean it's like it's just shitty buses.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it just like stops right when you get
<v Speaker 1>out of like downtown. They extended it to like towards
<v Speaker 1>folsome area because that's like they wanted to go in
<v Speaker 1>the richer areas. But like and considering like the size
<v Speaker 1>of the socker probably covers like thirty percent of this
<v Speaker 1>the metro area.
<v Speaker 4>Damn, that's fucking brutal.
<v Speaker 2>What so wait, but going back into when you started
<v Speaker 2>doing this, So what did you How did you get
<v Speaker 2>the name Sacramento food forest because that's like a.
<v Speaker 1>Permontrol people the way I know, control people control people.
<v Speaker 1>You don't know?
<v Speaker 2>Were you, like, did you start off originally into like
<v Speaker 2>permaculture stuff and then only got more into like ecology
<v Speaker 2>or what I would a little bit.
<v Speaker 3>I guess for me more, it was like I was
<v Speaker 3>just like grocery stuff. I always like the native plants,
<v Speaker 3>and then I started growing like bananas and different fruits
<v Speaker 3>with it.
<v Speaker 1>And then I started like watching videos on it.
<v Speaker 3>I started noticing this permaculture dude just talk out of
<v Speaker 3>their fucking ass, and like it would just bother me
<v Speaker 3>how they promotevasive species.
<v Speaker 1>Like I can go on for hours about this too.
<v Speaker 1>There's so many things about the permaculture movement that dry.
<v Speaker 2>So the name Sack food Forest was a joke.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to stroll them because I have a food forest,
<v Speaker 1>but it's for the animals, for native ecology.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing, right, I should.
<v Speaker 2>I should next time some permaculture guy, no offense to
<v Speaker 2>them comes up through Oh have you heard of a
<v Speaker 2>food for you? I got a food forest, but it's
<v Speaker 2>for the native animals and insects that live you, not me.
<v Speaker 2>I want to get some broccoli or some ship. I
<v Speaker 2>go to the grocery store. I'm not going to learn
<v Speaker 2>how to breathe like a heat tolerant, you know, pheno
<v Speaker 2>type of broccoli buddy.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seriously, But I mean it's that's cool.
<v Speaker 2>That's just a whole other skill set. I think being
<v Speaker 2>able to grow your own food is cool, but that's
<v Speaker 2>not ecology. You know, there's ways to do it ecologically
<v Speaker 2>where you grow mixed natives in there or whatever. It's
<v Speaker 2>just not for me. It's not my interest. But I'm
<v Speaker 2>not knocking people that do it. When I do knock them,
<v Speaker 2>it's when they don't have any They're interested in just
<v Speaker 2>growing human food, but they don't have any interesting awareness
<v Speaker 2>of the impacts that might have. If you're say, planting
<v Speaker 2>invasive bullshit, you know, and you're only planting the invasive
<v Speaker 2>bullshit because uh, it's it's edible or blah blah blah.
<v Speaker 4>It's so crazy.
<v Speaker 2>What about its repercussions? Right, like view yourself as part
<v Speaker 2>of this living web and do it that. I say,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but most crops tend not to be
<v Speaker 2>too invasive, but.
<v Speaker 3>The way they justify invasive species is fucking crazy. Like
<v Speaker 3>the whole did I send you a picture of the book?
<v Speaker 3>I gotta find it that one of the like one
<v Speaker 3>of these permic culture people who didn't realize, like I
<v Speaker 3>don't give a five what they think, walked up to
<v Speaker 3>me and gave me this book because you're trying to
<v Speaker 3>get me to like start caring about using evasive species.
<v Speaker 3>And it's literally called evasive species, like how it will
<v Speaker 3>save the world.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's fucking it. Stuff like that as fuck,
<v Speaker 2>Like permaculture doesn't have to have those connotations. It's just
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately it does. Like you, you know, you there's some
<v Speaker 2>people that are really into like they get it. They're
<v Speaker 2>into like the native they're into permaculture and they're but
<v Speaker 2>they also understand native plant ecology. But then there's this
<v Speaker 2>huge segment. I mean, anytime I read a book by
<v Speaker 2>some fucking new age you know, person from Oregon. Uh,
<v Speaker 2>it just happens to be, right. It's always they're always
<v Speaker 2>like a permaculture that's denying invasive species. It's always it's
<v Speaker 2>always someone associated with permaculture.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's okay, you're given perma culture a bad name, you know,
<v Speaker 2>and they're.
<v Speaker 1>So snobby, they're so snobby about it. If you try
<v Speaker 1>to talk to them.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're gonna tell you how you're wrong and all
<v Speaker 2>the data that, all the all the ship you've read,
<v Speaker 2>all this wrong too, right, Yeah, it's well, they'll anthropomorphize
<v Speaker 2>it and compare it to human xenophobia, which is like
<v Speaker 2>ultimate shit for brain, like just lowest common denominator analogy.
<v Speaker 2>It's just something a ten year old would say, you know,
<v Speaker 2>like when.
<v Speaker 3>The humans are invasive, that's then they're the ones who always.
<v Speaker 1>Well, humans are invasive, aren't they humans? They're not.
<v Speaker 2>Humans are invasive.
<v Speaker 1>Humans create the invasive species by moving them, you fucking idiot.
<v Speaker 1>Is so hard not to get mad when they say that.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's it's just tired talking points. I just
<v Speaker 2>you know, politely tell them that's not really what the
<v Speaker 2>word means. It's a little bit more complicated than that.
<v Speaker 2>It's got an actual definition, and you know it's not
<v Speaker 2>the same as like the Miriam Webster definition. It's the
<v Speaker 2>definition you know, in the field of ecology. So and
<v Speaker 2>it has to do with right, Yeah, it has to
<v Speaker 2>do with a plant evolving for millions of years in
<v Speaker 2>a place as a member of a certain ecosystem with
<v Speaker 2>its own checks and balances that don't exist. Those checks
<v Speaker 2>and bounces don't exist when that species gets to a
<v Speaker 2>new continent. So yeah, it's fucking but I think I
<v Speaker 2>see more, I see more awareness around that and things
<v Speaker 2>slowly starting to change. That's the best you could do. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>tell people kindly, unless there being a huge twat kind
<v Speaker 2>of they tell me what's up, Like, no, man, it
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work like that, Like it doesn't. I'm just gonna
<v Speaker 2>tell you what's going on.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>There's a guy named Jeff Lawton who's like one of
<v Speaker 3>the top permaculture people that says.
<v Speaker 1>A lot of bullshit.
<v Speaker 3>Like one of my biggest dreams is to see like
<v Speaker 3>someone like me or someone like you debate him like
<v Speaker 3>an Ashal debate.
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it would be so entertaining. I mean,
<v Speaker 1>it would be so entertaining.
<v Speaker 2>There's someone not knowing's fine, but it's that's when I
<v Speaker 2>with any argument right, no matter what it is. Someone
<v Speaker 2>not knowing is fine because I'll say stupid shit sometimes
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about but that'll also like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know about this, I don't
<v Speaker 2>know enough right, or if I'm if I'm given data
<v Speaker 2>that shows that I'm wrong, I'm like, oh, yeah, I
<v Speaker 2>fucked up. Okay, I stank correctly. But when someone just
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to give it up, it's just the ego,
<v Speaker 2>won't you know. That's when it's like, well, fuck you, man,
<v Speaker 2>I'm just not going to waste time with you. You
<v Speaker 2>want to believe that the sky is orange, and I'm
<v Speaker 2>not gonna there's debating you anymore. Man, they tell you.
<v Speaker 1>They get upset. They feel like you're going after their grift,
<v Speaker 1>so they get upset.
<v Speaker 2>I think the man a lot of it is important,
<v Speaker 2>especially but like the when the whole New age, like
<v Speaker 2>in the field of New age, uh, you know healers
<v Speaker 2>or grifters or whatever. Yeah, it's a whole there's a
<v Speaker 2>whole grifter selling there really is, man.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, whether it's.
<v Speaker 2>Simple supplements or buy my book or or you know,
<v Speaker 2>I'm doing classes on whatever the fuck I think there's
<v Speaker 2>there is a whole grift. So it's.
<v Speaker 3>There's a hell of funny video on TikTok where someone's
<v Speaker 3>talking about like like the Carnivore Diary, and it's all
<v Speaker 3>that energy. It's like, I've shipped my pants three times
<v Speaker 3>this day, but I feel great.
<v Speaker 2>Us Christ yeah, so fucking high high blood pressure cholesterol.
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, dude, it's crazy to me. I don't understand
<v Speaker 1>how that thing.
<v Speaker 2>So where are you gonna go? So where are you
<v Speaker 2>gonna go next? You're gonna basically you're gonna be in
<v Speaker 2>the mountains this summer. And then what are your Like,
<v Speaker 2>I guess what else are you? What else are you
<v Speaker 2>interested in highlighting in the next few months?
<v Speaker 3>For this month, For the rest of this month, it's
<v Speaker 3>gonna be mainly probably just like fritillarious occasional like early
<v Speaker 3>bloom and Califortis. Then when it gets towards like April,
<v Speaker 3>that's when I like to go to like ver Yes,
<v Speaker 3>Napa County, to show like for me, I at first
<v Speaker 3>I'd like to just show like the rare plants, but
<v Speaker 3>then I realized sometimes it doesn't do it was good.
<v Speaker 3>So now I like to show like everything, like all
<v Speaker 3>the plants growing in a community, certain plants if they're
<v Speaker 3>rare and cool, but mainly just like filming what I see,
<v Speaker 3>like the different habitats. Yeah, I think I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>spend it like a lot of time in Cash Creek
<v Speaker 3>Wilderness area.
<v Speaker 1>I fucking love it over there. Is it?
<v Speaker 2>What county is it in?
<v Speaker 3>That's in It's technically Lake County, but it's also Napa.
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's like a weird are right in there.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been there. Yeah, that's yeah, there's uh, there's
<v Speaker 2>should be the sleepy at Solanajana there should right now.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Do you use Nationalist do store stuff?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The only thing about heat is I have a
<v Speaker 1>lot of like follower people that like look for I
<v Speaker 1>could tell they're like trying to find for a plant.
<v Speaker 1>So I move a lot of locations.
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I obscure everything, obscure, obscure or just privatize it,
<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's you you want it to be.
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you want to keep the location for yourself too.
<v Speaker 2>Other people don't need to see where it is, you.
<v Speaker 3>Know exactly there's like I won't say any names, but
<v Speaker 3>there's like a certain group of people like when I
<v Speaker 3>post their ship, they always like confirm it within like
<v Speaker 3>an hour.
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah, you boys are sleuthing right now.
<v Speaker 2>Man Herpers the Snake, the Snake and reptile people do
<v Speaker 2>that ship. They're mad about it. It's nuts. They're always
<v Speaker 2>trying to There's some guy that's just uh, he's like
<v Speaker 2>a well night, like a million followers and shit, I
<v Speaker 2>guess he just blew through Texas. And one of my friends,
<v Speaker 2>a buddy of mine, close friend of I was like, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>he just he you know, he had a picture of
<v Speaker 2>this all this flipped over ten and ship and he's
<v Speaker 2>like he named it Hurricane, you know, such and such
<v Speaker 2>the dude's name. He's like, yeah, he just comes through town.
<v Speaker 2>He films some some ship for his for the Gram,
<v Speaker 2>for the content and fox up all the habitat, all
<v Speaker 2>the stacks of tin that we've put out there, and
<v Speaker 2>and that's ridiculous.
<v Speaker 1>That's so ridiculous.
<v Speaker 2>If it's just it's fucking it's just jerking off. It's
<v Speaker 2>like if you're if you're putting stuff out there to
<v Speaker 2>educate people and actually you know, hope people up with info.
<v Speaker 2>That's cool if you're just doing it for likes, and
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck is the point? Like I guess, I guess,
<v Speaker 2>but you're not You're not contributing to the greater good.
<v Speaker 2>You're not helping anything.
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's hard to even do it like that, Like,
<v Speaker 3>if you're going to be in nature films and ship,
<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't want to actually not make it worse than.
<v Speaker 2>A well yeah, and also there's there's just so much
<v Speaker 2>cool ship out there that people don't know about that
<v Speaker 2>you have the opportunity to show them, you know, and
<v Speaker 2>then that makes the world you live in better because
<v Speaker 2>now people know about this ship and have an interest
<v Speaker 2>in it. And you know, Alan Rockefeller used to that
<v Speaker 2>you got me thinking about it could always be like
<v Speaker 2>because I would try to gate keep certain things when
<v Speaker 2>I was younger, and he would be like, well, it's
<v Speaker 2>good to have more people interested in nature because then
<v Speaker 2>you have more people that want to, you know, stand
<v Speaker 2>up for it when ship bag developers or you know,
<v Speaker 2>the more wealth worshiping members of our species come for it.
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I think it's good and it's just it
<v Speaker 2>feels good for people obviously to have a connection to
<v Speaker 2>the living world. It's a nice antidote to all the
<v Speaker 2>bleak shit out there, you know, when you've got to
<v Speaker 2>drive a concrete consumer healthscape filled with billboards and car dealerships,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's nice to be able to look at
<v Speaker 2>some fucking trees afterwards and be like, yeah, Okay, I
<v Speaker 2>forgot this whole other world is here.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 3>I feel like so many people if they didn't have
<v Speaker 3>to like drive through that every day would be so
<v Speaker 3>much happier.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's horrible, man, it's terir. Hey did you ever
<v Speaker 2>get into the cypresses, any of them, like McNabb Cypress
<v Speaker 2>or Baker Cypress or those cools.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been learning about them. You message about him,
<v Speaker 1>and that's the guy that was on my list for
<v Speaker 1>this year. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I got into them because I was using them as
<v Speaker 2>as street trees, you know, and uh.
<v Speaker 1>That's sick.
<v Speaker 2>You can get you can collect the cones at any
<v Speaker 2>time of year since they need fire to open, so
<v Speaker 2>they just stay closed on the tree for the.
<v Speaker 1>Whole the whole U sack.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, McNab cypress will yeah totally. Yeah sure, and then
<v Speaker 2>but then it's their stuff, the ones that grow near
<v Speaker 2>the coast are a little different because the different closer
<v Speaker 2>to the coast, like the ones in Oakland, like I
<v Speaker 2>had to use Santa Cruz cypress and Sergeant cypress and
<v Speaker 2>you know, but there's like ten native species in California. Man,
<v Speaker 2>they're all fucking dope. They're all really cool.
<v Speaker 3>Can you find like some really crazy rare Santa Cruz
<v Speaker 3>cypress or something once?
<v Speaker 1>Oh?
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but cypress. Yeah, it's it's got like it's more blue,
<v Speaker 2>the foliage is more bluish, and it grows on that's
<v Speaker 2>a really fucking wild spot where it grows. It's like
<v Speaker 2>this this uh redwood, this slope of redwood and tanook
<v Speaker 2>that faces the Pacific, and then there's just this little
<v Speaker 2>opening that was a real cool eye opener for me too. Ecologically,
<v Speaker 2>there's this little opening where the substrate just becomes sandstone
<v Speaker 2>and all the soil's gone, and so the redwoods and
<v Speaker 2>the tanuks can't grow on this bare rock, but the
<v Speaker 2>cypresses can. The seeds fall into the cracks in the rock,
<v Speaker 2>the divots and shit, and then they can hang in there.
<v Speaker 2>And and yeah, this is like it's like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's it's related to Santa cruz cypress, but it's disjunk
<v Speaker 2>by like forty miles and I think it was originally
<v Speaker 2>discovered in like the early nineteen hundreds, then it was lost.
<v Speaker 2>No one could find it for like forty five years,
<v Speaker 2>and then they found it while doing like aerial surveys
<v Speaker 2>or something, because it's like a football field sized patch
<v Speaker 2>of just open sandstone on this slope, like forty five
<v Speaker 2>degree slope in the Redwood forest. You know, it's such
<v Speaker 2>a fucking cool spot, but it's like a fifteen it's
<v Speaker 2>like a ten mile hike to get there one way,
<v Speaker 2>oh then ten miles out. Yeah, you'll be out there
<v Speaker 2>the whole day. It's cool. I could. I can give
<v Speaker 2>you the point later if you want to go check
<v Speaker 2>it out. But you're walking past massive fucking tan oaks
<v Speaker 2>and redwoods. It's a cool forest, you know, it's a
<v Speaker 2>really cool forest.
<v Speaker 3>That must be a mindfug especially since like with the
<v Speaker 3>red Woods, it can get so dark and then you
<v Speaker 3>find this open patch.
<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh shit, oh yeah, it's nuts.
<v Speaker 2>And then there's other shit growing on that barren patch too,
<v Speaker 2>like fromanodendron, like Fermano dendron needs hot, dry sun, right,
<v Speaker 2>what's it doing in a redwood forest? Well, it's found
<v Speaker 2>the only place to grow on this barren patch of sandstone,
<v Speaker 2>and that's where it pops up.
<v Speaker 1>But you know they just.
<v Speaker 2>Had a fire there. That would actually should actually go there,
<v Speaker 2>Like I would like it if you went there, because
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious how everything recovered after the fire, because there
<v Speaker 2>were a fire burned through and decimated it. But it's
<v Speaker 2>a fire adapted landscape. Yeah, fire adapted tree. The cones
<v Speaker 2>literally don't open unless they get fire. And I remember
<v Speaker 2>the last time I was there before it burned, I
<v Speaker 2>was like, this spot needs a fire anyway, Man, this
<v Speaker 2>is fucked, Like.
<v Speaker 3>This is just it wasn't crazy how many times that happens,
<v Speaker 3>where you walk through a spot you're like, this place
<v Speaker 3>needs a burn.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the fuel, the fuels build up, the fuel builds up,
<v Speaker 2>and there's dead branches everywhere, and I mean, you know
<v Speaker 2>when you're in that kind of landscape and you're like, man,
<v Speaker 2>this has been fire suppressed for decades and it's you
<v Speaker 2>can see how the fires get out of control because
<v Speaker 2>there's so much fuels build up. You know, this shit
<v Speaker 2>is building up faster than it can decay.
<v Speaker 3>That's something you could teach like people who aren't super
<v Speaker 3>into nature too. I have a bunch of friends that
<v Speaker 3>are like musicians and stuff, and so many of them
<v Speaker 3>will like send me pictures like, bro, I want to
<v Speaker 3>hide with my girlfriend. Look at the shit forest. It's
<v Speaker 3>ready to burn.
<v Speaker 1>And I start laughing. Yeah, Like you could pick up
<v Speaker 1>on that pretty easily.
<v Speaker 3>Once you explained them, like, oh, look how close the
<v Speaker 3>streets are, Look at the ladder fuel. Look at all
<v Speaker 3>that shit on the ground, you know, like it lets
<v Speaker 3>you know? Yeah, with that the same fire as a
<v Speaker 3>big basin.
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. It was maybe five or six years ago.
<v Speaker 2>I think I actually went back there right after it burned.
<v Speaker 2>But none of the cyper seeds that germinated yet, but
<v Speaker 2>there's probably a few going right now.
<v Speaker 1>I bet either is for sure.
<v Speaker 2>Buttano Yeah, but what does bhutano mean? I don't even
<v Speaker 2>know what that means. It was named after a Putano creek.
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a type of cheese. What is ite?
<v Speaker 2>It just means butane in Spanish.
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the fire that means. It's good?
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait wait now it was in Portuguese. The fuck
<v Speaker 2>it's not. Why isn't picking up. The Spanish probably means
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. Yeah, it just means butane. Yeah, that's weird.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's anyway. Yeah, I don't know some
<v Speaker 2>of those.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it smells like just smell like gas or smell good.
<v Speaker 2>It smells good, it smells like lemon, like a lot
<v Speaker 2>of the coast range cypresses, Like along along the coast
<v Speaker 2>you got Monterey cypress, which is planted everywhere, in invasive
<v Speaker 2>overseas and some similar climates. And then but it's like
<v Speaker 2>rare where it's native, just like monterey pine, which is
<v Speaker 2>also invasive in like New Zealand and ChIL And then
<v Speaker 2>you get Hespero cyprus pigmya pygmy cypress up north Mendocino
<v Speaker 2>and Kupressus or Hespero cipprus now Goveniana going cypress, Santa
<v Speaker 2>Cruz cypress, which is a bramsyana like all those will
<v Speaker 2>grow in like the coastal California climate. And then inland
<v Speaker 2>where it's hot as balls and dry in the summer,
<v Speaker 2>you've got Payute cypress, which is southern Sierra Nevada Mcnabs cypress,
<v Speaker 2>which is you know, Chico area, grows on serpentine and
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, Baker cypress up in uh like Ciscu. Baker
<v Speaker 2>cypress smells the best. It's just it's got these glands
<v Speaker 2>in it. Yeah, it's fucking smells incredible, like these little
<v Speaker 2>white dots on the scales that like contained this really
<v Speaker 2>pleasant smelling resin. And it's got bark that kind of
<v Speaker 2>looks like a madrome like smooth and red. They grow
<v Speaker 2>in Chicago. I got I planted one of my mass
<v Speaker 2>yard in Chicago. They're super cold tolerant, yeah, because it
<v Speaker 2>gets fucking cold in Plumus County and Ciscu and they
<v Speaker 2>grow on this like timbered crater and this mountain call
<v Speaker 2>Goose Nest Mountain because it's it looks like a goose nest.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>It's an old volcanic cinder cone and sisky. There's so many,
<v Speaker 2>it's so much good ship up there there.
<v Speaker 1>You got.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all that cool volcanics. Man, you got to
<v Speaker 2>go check it. Check that area out. Iamna Iliamna Baker eye.
<v Speaker 2>That cool mallow. It's like a native hollyhock, another fire
<v Speaker 2>dependent plant. Seeds will lay in the seed bank for
<v Speaker 2>eighty years until the fire comes through, and then they'll
<v Speaker 2>they'll germinate. It's like a four foot tall shrub with
<v Speaker 2>big pink flowers. Yeah, there's so much good ship up there, man.
<v Speaker 3>You need to come down here for like like four
<v Speaker 3>weeks when it's the season for like the Sierras.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>I want to take my daughter because she needs to
<v Speaker 2>see that stuff.
<v Speaker 4>She's five.
<v Speaker 2>You know, you see a tree when you're fucking when
<v Speaker 2>you're like, I can imagine because I saw when I
<v Speaker 2>was nineteen for the first time. When you're like five
<v Speaker 2>years old and you see a tree that's the size,
<v Speaker 2>like especially you know, the Sierra Redwoods, because they're bigger
<v Speaker 2>than the Coast Redwoods, you know, at least at the base.
<v Speaker 2>You see that when you're that's gotta be fucking mind blowing, man.
<v Speaker 1>To see a tree that made me pick nature, my
<v Speaker 1>mom showing me that it's a kids. It's you're completely right,
<v Speaker 1>mind blowing.
<v Speaker 2>To see a tree that's, you know, as big as
<v Speaker 2>a fire truck around. I mean, that's fucking nuts, man.
<v Speaker 3>It's gotta be I prefer this year, if to be honest,
<v Speaker 3>Like the Sequoias, I like them more, even though I
<v Speaker 3>film in the red Woods a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I like this.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I like those more too. Yeah, they're just
<v Speaker 2>it's a I mean, they're both beautiful trees, but that
<v Speaker 2>one is like that with that bright red bark, and
<v Speaker 2>it's got a cooler form I think. And they're just
<v Speaker 2>fucking bigger too.
<v Speaker 3>And always growing in a mixed conifer for it. So
<v Speaker 3>there's like more varieties of big ash sugar pines and stuff.
<v Speaker 1>I love it. Yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And then when you plant those in full sun and
<v Speaker 2>you give madequate water and they're in the right you
<v Speaker 2>know habitat where it cools off enough at night, they
<v Speaker 2>fucking take off. You can get you know, eight feet
<v Speaker 2>a year out of those things. The same thing with
<v Speaker 2>coast red wood eight ten ft a year out of
<v Speaker 2>coast redwood trees.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I got to send you a picture of my grandma
<v Speaker 3>as a coast redwood in her front yard that broke
<v Speaker 3>the water main and she had all summer's in it
<v Speaker 3>now and it's the largest redwood in Sacramon County.
<v Speaker 2>Bro it's a ball what they do about the water
<v Speaker 2>and they have to move it or something.
<v Speaker 1>We had to fix it, so we cut a tree
<v Speaker 1>that was by it and then paid the victo was
<v Speaker 1>so expensive. Oh, just moved it around like yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 1>to the side because yeah, because the city had to
<v Speaker 1>help pay for it too, because it was their waterman
<v Speaker 1>and they made that decision. They're like, probably that's fucking brutal.
<v Speaker 2>That's cool. They didn't cut the tree though.
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I would have been pissed because dude, it's
<v Speaker 1>so big, and I hate planning, like plants in our
<v Speaker 1>native to your region.
<v Speaker 3>But oh my god, it's amazing to wake up every
<v Speaker 3>morning and just have like a humble size of redwood in.
<v Speaker 2>Front of region. But it's native to the state, I mean, you.
<v Speaker 4>Know what I mean.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people get real about that.
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, if it's not a restoration site or inhabitat,
<v Speaker 2>who gives a fun you know.
<v Speaker 1>Like exactly one hundred percent agree?
<v Speaker 2>Well, actually all locally sourced within fifty miles of this thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Shadow cares the fuck Like we're in a six mass extinction.
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, but just get in the ground and provide
<v Speaker 2>some habitat.
<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, those people are insane.
<v Speaker 3>When I did that video where I planted the end
<v Speaker 3>danger hibiscus seats, I remember like like some page was
<v Speaker 3>like he has a good following.
<v Speaker 1>I think like fifty thousand followers. The dude was just
<v Speaker 1>trying to lecture me. I just want to be like, Bro,
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're
<v Speaker 1>completely wrong.
<v Speaker 2>Right now about what he was actually about what.
<v Speaker 3>He was like, you need to stop planning hybiscus seat
<v Speaker 3>and not tell people to grow high biscuits at their
<v Speaker 3>house if they're in California. I'm like why, he's like,
<v Speaker 3>because you're messing up the local eco type, Like you're
<v Speaker 3>gonna mess.
<v Speaker 1>Up the wild seed. Like, bro, there's none in the
<v Speaker 1>fucking wild. I found them all in my.
<v Speaker 2>But you're you're planting thing. You're planting a plant that's
<v Speaker 2>native to California. What was this issue that it was
<v Speaker 2>one hundred miles away?
<v Speaker 1>He says, I was encouraging.
<v Speaker 3>He was trying to act like it's bad to encourage
<v Speaker 3>people to grow where.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just it was occasion, I take it, right. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>Caucasians in California you probably, oh, yeah, those are well.
<v Speaker 2>There was another thing too, like a lot of like
<v Speaker 2>the Caucasians, the Caucasian California syndrome, like the Caucasian liberal California.
<v Speaker 1>That's what they do.
<v Speaker 2>They need a reason to lecture and you know, finger
<v Speaker 2>waged people, and it's just it's just a compulsion. They
<v Speaker 2>think they're like changing the world by doing it and
<v Speaker 2>just being cunty, and it pisses people off. And it's
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like it's it's a common thing. It's
<v Speaker 2>just now it doesn't bother me anymore because I I
<v Speaker 2>have identified it, like, oh yeah, that's just that's what
<v Speaker 2>Like people in Berkeley do I get it now? It's okay,
<v Speaker 2>the rich kids from northern California, it's that they need.
<v Speaker 2>It's they don't even know they're doing it, probably right,
<v Speaker 2>they're just like finger wagging and it's but yeah, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking insufferable, man. It's it's uh, you know, it's
<v Speaker 2>it's and it's predictable.
<v Speaker 1>So always predictable.
<v Speaker 2>I agree, But that's that's it turns people off too.
<v Speaker 1>Man. I don't know all about it.
<v Speaker 2>Like, you know, it's like learn some fucking people skills,
<v Speaker 2>you know, where if you existed in your own social
<v Speaker 2>bubble for so long, you forgot how to like, you know, uh,
<v Speaker 2>attract people to your cause. You know, actually actually you
<v Speaker 2>should be doing it this way.
<v Speaker 1>But that's nuts.
<v Speaker 2>What that hibiscus that hibiscus is native. That's a native species.
<v Speaker 2>You know, what's he.
<v Speaker 1>Want to Yeah, what does he want?
<v Speaker 2>He wants to be like ten miles away from you
<v Speaker 2>instead of fucking one hundred and fifty Like who gives
<v Speaker 2>a shit?
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I was just getting so confused off at his points
<v Speaker 3>because I didn't like tell him, but I'm like, dude,
<v Speaker 3>these are seats I collected from a while playing a
<v Speaker 3>few years ago in my area that I grew them,
<v Speaker 3>that took seats from my house, like I'm keeping the
<v Speaker 3>g the local eco tags. I don't know what the
<v Speaker 3>fuck you're talking about.
<v Speaker 2>Just so you knew, just so you knew, they always say,
<v Speaker 2>like just so you knew.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I can't stand trying to be rude, but
<v Speaker 1>I think I should tell you this. Yeah, oh god yeah.
<v Speaker 2>And they're always fucking quiet too, And it was, you know,
<v Speaker 2>those are the people like whatever, man, don't get me started.
<v Speaker 2>It's like those are the people I have. I fucking
<v Speaker 2>have fun fucking with those people, you know, because they're
<v Speaker 2>so reserved and quiet, and I'm just like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do.
<v Speaker 1>They're like a.
<v Speaker 2>Violence not even like you shout at those people. They
<v Speaker 2>tell you're being violent, right, and then they're gonna lecture you.
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna lecture you about whatever. Yeah, whatever, And they're
<v Speaker 2>not even worth pantings.
<v Speaker 3>And they always respond like, why are you responding so
<v Speaker 3>angrily even if you're not being angry trying to explain
<v Speaker 3>it full to them?
<v Speaker 1>Why are you typing so much if you're not angry,
<v Speaker 1>Why are you typing so much? Pitch, I'm trying to
<v Speaker 1>teach you.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, man, they're they're just they're they're
<v Speaker 2>fucking oh god, it's so gross. It's just so fucking
<v Speaker 2>they they got to be plants, you know, they're like
<v Speaker 2>CIA plants to their cause or something exact. Especially when
<v Speaker 2>you get them in like anything political. They're just so
<v Speaker 2>and they have no class consciousness. They're all fucking up
<v Speaker 2>each other's asses. They're all like rich kids who went
<v Speaker 2>to school for too long, and they're all up each other.
<v Speaker 1>See, I'm getting heated right now.
<v Speaker 2>I gott to tone it down, Like I'm gonna go
<v Speaker 2>fucking find dried dog shit and put it in these
<v Speaker 2>kids mailboxes or these people. Yeah, grind it into a
<v Speaker 2>fine powder and a and a coffee grinder, and then
<v Speaker 2>you know, make it into some sort of powdered form
<v Speaker 2>and just like with a blowgun it but.
<v Speaker 1>In Oakland, so you got to deal with way more
<v Speaker 1>the me too.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was those are the people that ruined my neighborhood.
<v Speaker 2>They move in, they think they're they think they're they're legit,
<v Speaker 2>and okay, because they put a sign in the window,
<v Speaker 2>we're allies now. Like now you're still like a rich
<v Speaker 2>twat that you know is making it hotter for everyone
<v Speaker 2>else here. He just wants to live in peace. Shut up.
<v Speaker 2>But but with with that hibiscus though, that hibiscus species
<v Speaker 2>was God. I was so fucking into it for a while.
<v Speaker 2>I remember we got a kayak, me and my my
<v Speaker 2>friend Raquel, we got a kayak and we I forget
<v Speaker 2>where we put into the Delta, but we we we
<v Speaker 2>launched out there and we were looking for this hibiscus
<v Speaker 2>species and we fucking found it. We found like one
<v Speaker 2>plant after paddling around for like three hours and just
<v Speaker 2>seeing invasive bullshit in the arundo and that BlackBerry, and
<v Speaker 2>we found one plant like two or three feet tall,
<v Speaker 2>and it was on this little island in the Delta,
<v Speaker 2>and we put the the kayak there. It was like
<v Speaker 2>a floatable sit on top kayak. And then we were
<v Speaker 2>we were like messing around on the on the little
<v Speaker 2>island looking for stuff. And we came back and I
<v Speaker 2>hadn't tied the kayak up enough and it had floated away.
<v Speaker 2>It was like one hundred and fifty feet out into
<v Speaker 2>the delta.
<v Speaker 1>Oh hell no, fuck.
<v Speaker 2>I fucking took my pants off and just jumped in
<v Speaker 2>the water and went and pedaled out to it. And
<v Speaker 2>I guess when I was out there, you know, because
<v Speaker 2>there's sea lions out there, they'll come further up the delta.
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, yeah, yeah, she was like, this sea
<v Speaker 2>lion popped its head up when you were out there,
<v Speaker 2>and I was worried. It was because they can fuck
<v Speaker 2>you up if you get too close, the sea lion
<v Speaker 2>will fuck you up. But anyway, but I went and
<v Speaker 2>got this thing, and yeah, it was good, you know
<v Speaker 2>because that gid like I get a little phobic around uh,
<v Speaker 2>you know, dark water that you can't see the bottom end,
<v Speaker 2>you know, and y it was fucking especially when there's
<v Speaker 2>plant life around and ship. But yeah, yeah it was funny.
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we found that one. We found that one
<v Speaker 2>or two hibiscus, you know what else is cool out
<v Speaker 2>there is that? Have you seen that evening primrose? That
<v Speaker 2>Antioch Dunes evening primrose? It grows all throughout like the
<v Speaker 2>shores of the Delta wherever they're sin. Have you seen
<v Speaker 2>that thing before?
<v Speaker 1>No, I have it. I know what you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen it, and I haven't seen the sweet
<v Speaker 1>peas either, the rare sweet peas.
<v Speaker 2>You should get seed Annie's annuals, the nursery in Richmond.
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they still do. I think it's
<v Speaker 2>changed the ownership, but they used to sell that evening primrose.
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a fucking dope big white flower smells
<v Speaker 2>like jazmine, opens at night, it's pollinated by moths, and
<v Speaker 2>they would sell that because they're easy as fuck to
<v Speaker 2>grow from seed. There's no reason it should be endangered.
<v Speaker 2>But the reason yeah, but yeah, and we get big
<v Speaker 2>as fuck. I grew them on my illegal garden at
<v Speaker 2>Mandela Parkway for a while. The can get like three
<v Speaker 2>feet wide by like eighteen inches tall, and just you know,
<v Speaker 2>fifty white flowers the size of baseballs that open at night.
<v Speaker 2>And there's no reason it should be in danger because
<v Speaker 2>it's so easy to grow and every flower produces you know,
<v Speaker 2>a little follicle fruit that's got you know, fucking however,
<v Speaker 2>many seeds and thousands of seeds. But the habitat is
<v Speaker 2>you know, the invasive species and then just agriculture of
<v Speaker 2>just fuck the habitat and so, but there's still spots
<v Speaker 2>where you can find it. Like after a rain throughout
<v Speaker 2>the delta, there was one spot right over I think
<v Speaker 2>it was near Benizia. I forget where it was. But
<v Speaker 2>these sandy areas, you know, where the sand that's accumulated
<v Speaker 2>from the Sierra Nevada is weathering down one hundred and
<v Speaker 2>fifty miles to the east, has washed up and accumulated
<v Speaker 2>right there at the delta, and so that's created the
<v Speaker 2>substrate for this really cool.
<v Speaker 1>That's such a mind fuck.
<v Speaker 2>Oh not, there's a species. Yeah, you should go find it. Man,
<v Speaker 2>it's dope, and you collect seeds like it's super easy
<v Speaker 2>to grow. So I'm so they don't need sand. They
<v Speaker 2>grow in sand, but they don't need sand. They were
<v Speaker 2>I was growing the ones on Mendela Parkway and like
<v Speaker 2>shitty old landfill, you know, decomposing concrete and glace.
<v Speaker 1>Huh, whoa, that's sick.
<v Speaker 3>I'm definitely gonna try to grow that then, because I
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I love collecting seats. That's the other thing
<v Speaker 3>that my girlfriend loves you now too, is collecting seat
<v Speaker 3>It's funny.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, growing sh it's fun, man. And then especially when
<v Speaker 2>you you can put it in the ground and watch
<v Speaker 2>this like habitackt create and all this cool shit show up,
<v Speaker 2>like cool fucking insects and birds and shit.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>My neighbors always asking me like why, They're like, you
<v Speaker 3>garden so much. I always see your planets, so they're like,
<v Speaker 3>why do you.
<v Speaker 1>Like this so much?
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I grew up in Elkgrove, California, where I
<v Speaker 3>couldn't even plant a lettuce in my backyard without getting
<v Speaker 3>right to get kicked out, you know what I mean,
<v Speaker 3>from the hure ways, and because we were renting. So
<v Speaker 3>once we moved here with land, I'm like, bitch, I'm
<v Speaker 3>growing anything I could grow.
<v Speaker 1>It's freeing.
<v Speaker 2>Well, so because it's fucking great. I remember I was
<v Speaker 2>a bike messenger in San Francisco like twenty years ago,
<v Speaker 2>and I worked with this cholo dude who it just
<v Speaker 2>got out of prison. I remember talking to him once
<v Speaker 2>and he was like he was telling me about when
<v Speaker 2>when he went to jail, and she never told me
<v Speaker 2>what it was for, but he was like fifty at
<v Speaker 2>the time, and he was like, man, I just want
<v Speaker 2>to I don't even want to work this job. I
<v Speaker 2>hate this job. I just want to go, like, you know,
<v Speaker 2>you know, work in my garden, man. That's all I want.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 2>He was like this big tough dude with the you know,
<v Speaker 2>fucking neck tattoos, and he's like, I just want to
<v Speaker 2>go work in my garden man. And and I was.
<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking about it. I was like, yeah, like,
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck. That's a fucking cool Like I wish
<v Speaker 2>more people, you know, obviously this dude's been through some shit.
<v Speaker 2>And I think the reason that it was so I mean,
<v Speaker 2>the same reason it's so rejuvenating for so many people is,
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was like he'd he'd had a fucked
<v Speaker 2>up life, he'd been through a lot of crazy shit,
<v Speaker 2>he'd spent a lot of time in the can, and
<v Speaker 2>then it was it just made him feel good to
<v Speaker 2>be around growing things and being you know, it was
<v Speaker 2>like as close to nature as he was able to
<v Speaker 2>get since he didn't live he lived in the city. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>that's a human compulsion. That's a human compulsion. That's what
<v Speaker 2>we've been been that for you know, a million years
<v Speaker 2>or more ever since we've been a species. Right, It's
<v Speaker 2>like it's yeah, it's within us. You take people out
<v Speaker 2>of that and they don't have any access that anymore,
<v Speaker 2>starts to fuck them up. They may not know it,
<v Speaker 2>but it starts to fuck them up. Take away the nature,
<v Speaker 2>it starts to fuck people up.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I completely agree. I think there's so many issues
<v Speaker 3>from us just being in concrete. We all were all
<v Speaker 3>just in boxes all day. A house, a car, abuilding,
<v Speaker 3>They're all just little boxes everywhere.
<v Speaker 1>It is brutal.
<v Speaker 3>I've been like there's so many people like and say,
<v Speaker 3>like you're a rich person in the Bay Area or something.
<v Speaker 3>You see like these tribal people in the Amazon or Africa,
<v Speaker 3>they get like, oh my god, I feel so bad
<v Speaker 3>for them.
<v Speaker 1>They're probably happier than you, bro in my opinion, at
<v Speaker 1>least living their life.
<v Speaker 3>Like if your whole life is just you know, hunting
<v Speaker 3>and sporing, nature survival.
<v Speaker 2>And everything they need is supplied there, you know, the
<v Speaker 2>hambitat hasn't been fucked up.
<v Speaker 1>Or no jobs, nothing you trade Like that sounds way more,
<v Speaker 1>what are you grow?
<v Speaker 2>So you're growing a bunch of stuff in your yard?
<v Speaker 2>I remember you were sending me.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I grow a lot of stuff in my yard,
<v Speaker 3>like plant native plants.
<v Speaker 1>I got like some fruit trees and bananas in too.
<v Speaker 1>But I like my lawn last year. I like my
<v Speaker 1>wildflower A long.
<v Speaker 3>We have fifty eight different species and this year we're
<v Speaker 3>gonna try to give the seventy.
<v Speaker 1>It's fun, dude. Well, like I said, my grand got
<v Speaker 1>a property like that. It was like an acre when
<v Speaker 1>she was like a long time agoes is that property
<v Speaker 1>is still cheap and it's not in a rich area,
<v Speaker 1>and it's on it's just like land. I guess I
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You know, three cornered garlic. You know what
<v Speaker 1>that is?
<v Speaker 2>No, what's it?
<v Speaker 1>It's an invasive onion species. Her whole backyard is basically
<v Speaker 1>invasive onions that I've been ripping out for like the
<v Speaker 1>last eight years. But the good think about onions, though,
<v Speaker 1>is once you get the ball bout, you know what
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not going to come back other than
<v Speaker 1>the seeds, and you can give rid of that. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>But so I there's areas in Lawana that's all high
<v Speaker 3>biscus and then I have a bunch of lilies, a
<v Speaker 3>bunch of cal cortis. It's fund and I also because
<v Speaker 3>my long fun Yeah, it's like, as I always tell
<v Speaker 3>people that plan a fucking state park or national park
<v Speaker 3>in your yard, like all these people saying they that
<v Speaker 3>all these people going to like super booms and laying
<v Speaker 3>on them and fucking everything up, And I'm like.
<v Speaker 1>You, like.
<v Speaker 2>California influencer with the yeah, the heavy face filter and
<v Speaker 2>the fucking wide brand of hat, going to lay down
<v Speaker 2>in some flowers. And it's such a Yeah, that's such
<v Speaker 2>a thing.
<v Speaker 1>Man. There's there's a Hall of Funny Vice article about
<v Speaker 1>it that you should watch. I did superlo man.
<v Speaker 2>The last time I did acid or the main I
<v Speaker 2>think it was the last. I can't remember when I
<v Speaker 2>last did it. No, that's not true. One of the
<v Speaker 2>first times I really did acid, though, was that Carrizo
<v Speaker 2>plane in a massive wildflower. Oh fuck. It was life changing.
<v Speaker 2>And we had found this spot on like up in
<v Speaker 2>the on the other side of the hills where nobody
<v Speaker 2>else showed up the whole day. We dropped acid like
<v Speaker 2>ten in the morning, uh till and we didn't come
<v Speaker 2>down to like eight, you know, and it was just
<v Speaker 2>looking out at like I think it was monolopia, and
<v Speaker 2>I forget what the species were. I'd have to look,
<v Speaker 2>but they were a fucking there to be five million
<v Speaker 2>flowers on these undulating hills in front of us, with
<v Speaker 2>these incredible clouds. It was just this beautiful spring day.
<v Speaker 2>This was my friend Ivy and my friend Tara. Yeah,
<v Speaker 2>it was fucking nuts, man. And I just remember and
<v Speaker 2>like looking at the cause it's all these uplifted marine
<v Speaker 2>sediments from like the last few million years. They're not
<v Speaker 2>that old. I remember looking at these road cuts and
<v Speaker 2>just being you know, it was like hitting me, like wow,
<v Speaker 2>this shit I'm looking at was like out in the
<v Speaker 2>ocean five million years ago, like in a near shore environment,
<v Speaker 2>and got uplifted by thousands of earthquakes, and now it's
<v Speaker 2>here with all these like you know, millions of flowers
<v Speaker 2>that are just going off and they're all going to
<v Speaker 2>be gone in three months, you know, because they're annuals.
<v Speaker 2>And it was so fucking cool because it's you go
<v Speaker 2>to Corrizo Plane when it's not blooming and it's just
<v Speaker 2>it looks quote like a barren wasteland, right and yea
<v Speaker 2>with one of someone from the Square community might call
<v Speaker 2>a barren wasteland. But then all those seeds, all those
<v Speaker 2>plants are still alive. They're just in seed form, laying
<v Speaker 2>in the in the sediments.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 4>Right there, it's just waving.
<v Speaker 2>Have you you've been there before?
<v Speaker 1>Right? No? I haven't. I want to go so bad.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's so cool. You might have trouble getting to
<v Speaker 2>some of the higher spots than the civic, but but yeah,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's still plenty. I have a Takoma now,
<v Speaker 2>but I mean I need to I don't. I tried
<v Speaker 2>to not get a truck for so long because I
<v Speaker 2>was I just was, you know, cheap with the gas.
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I want to fucking pay because you
<v Speaker 2>only need the four wheel drive in high clearance when
<v Speaker 2>you're out in the spot, when you're on the freeway,
<v Speaker 2>you're just it's pointless, you know. But but yeah, I mean,
<v Speaker 2>I I like get vehicles and I just beat the
<v Speaker 2>ship out of them for six or seven years until
<v Speaker 2>they fail and then I resell them or whatever and
<v Speaker 2>then have to get a new one. I don't understand
<v Speaker 2>there's people to get these trucks and like are afraid
<v Speaker 2>to scratch it, and it's kind of fucking you fucking
<v Speaker 2>know all right, Princess, Yeah, you get a truck to
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like that. It's it's like you know,
<v Speaker 2>your own piece of art. You get a blank canvas
<v Speaker 2>when it's new, and then you slowly painted with scratches,
<v Speaker 2>dings and dents for the next how many years you
<v Speaker 2>personalize it.
<v Speaker 1>I hell, I need to get a truck or something eventually.
<v Speaker 3>I like having the gas stuff, but there's so many
<v Speaker 3>places like in like Plumus County, Lasson County areas where
<v Speaker 3>like I can't get without like parking on the side
<v Speaker 3>of the road at hiking for like five hours to
<v Speaker 3>get somewhere where I could park if I had a truck.
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's what I did for years until I
<v Speaker 2>finally got one. And I before I got a truck,
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'll just get a CRV because it's
<v Speaker 2>a Hanna so it's still good on gas. And then
<v Speaker 2>I just would I was taking a thing where it
<v Speaker 2>wasn't meant to go, and I just I fucked up
<v Speaker 2>a couple of vehicles. Like yeah, but uh yeah, man,
<v Speaker 2>it's you've taken your your civic into some gnarly places
<v Speaker 2>though and gotten away.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny, Like I think I told you this before,
<v Speaker 3>but they found like a in my oil plant before,
<v Speaker 3>like dent it.
<v Speaker 2>In Jesus, so like it like javelin through the.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it wasn't leaking too bad. Yeah, it wasn't leaking
<v Speaker 3>too bad though, Like it was like a slow leak.
<v Speaker 3>And then I went to get an oil change at
<v Speaker 3>like the local place and humble and he's like, hey,
<v Speaker 3>you know you have a hole in a dent in
<v Speaker 3>your oil pan.
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what what they do? What do you?
<v Speaker 2>What do you do to fix that?
<v Speaker 1>They put like this putty ship, a bunch of putty
<v Speaker 1>stuff in it. It looked like seal. And then when
<v Speaker 1>I got home I fixed it. Yep.
<v Speaker 3>But when I got home, I just fixed it myself.
<v Speaker 3>Just got like it went to pick and pole took
<v Speaker 3>one off. It's good thing about the civic. So if
<v Speaker 3>you got a pick and pole, there's like fifty of them,
<v Speaker 3>so you just take the oil pan off, putting on
<v Speaker 3>the new.
<v Speaker 1>Two thousand ship the best year, the best year?
<v Speaker 2>Man. How do you listen to music? You got like
<v Speaker 2>a Bluetooth story or some ship.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that.
<v Speaker 2>Damn that ship doesn't get jacked.
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it's it's a piece of ship.
<v Speaker 3>Well, like I love it, but like, yeah, I don't
<v Speaker 3>think it's worth it when you see the car, Like
<v Speaker 3>if I was like a robber person, I.
<v Speaker 1>Like, there's probably like the crack.
<v Speaker 3>Pipe in there and a bunch of cans.
<v Speaker 2>Somebody stole my prelude when I had it, I was
<v Speaker 2>living in Oakland, and I think they just used it
<v Speaker 2>to commit a felony. And then I found it parked
<v Speaker 2>around the black like a week later. All right, oh
<v Speaker 2>my god, I just needed to borrow it, okay, whatever,
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then but then I had to call
<v Speaker 2>the cops because I reported it stolen. But then I
<v Speaker 2>had to call the cops before I could drive it again. Actually,
<v Speaker 2>I think I drove for a while before, because you know,
<v Speaker 2>if you're in it when it's stolen, if they see
<v Speaker 2>a plate, they run the plates, and it's a stolen vehicle,
<v Speaker 2>they automatically pull you over at gunpoint, right.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe that.
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I'm gonna get pulled over in
<v Speaker 2>my own car by the fucking you know.
<v Speaker 3>That would be hilarious though, the dad lord telling your
<v Speaker 3>kid about that when she's older.
<v Speaker 1>We tell you. At the time I was driving my
<v Speaker 1>own stolen car.
<v Speaker 2>I got so many crazy stories to tell her.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I can't wait, but unlimited.
<v Speaker 2>Well man, yeah, check out I own and check out
<v Speaker 2>the timbered Crater and all that, and keep educating to
<v Speaker 2>zoomers about plants to please.
<v Speaker 1>Man.
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's really nice to see more people getting
<v Speaker 2>into this stuff. And I appreciate what you do.
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate what you do too.
<v Speaker 2>Really, we'll hang out when I'm next time I come
<v Speaker 2>out there.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'll try to head out that way sometime too,
<v Speaker 3>because I would really love to go see Texas.
<v Speaker 1>At Alabama with like Kyle. Kyle makes Alabama.
<v Speaker 2>Look, there's some really cool stuff out there. Yeah, there's
<v Speaker 2>some really cool shit out there. You should definitely check
<v Speaker 2>it out. And then yeah, if you come out here, yeah,
<v Speaker 2>hit me up. I mean, I'm I go back and
<v Speaker 2>forth between South and West Texas, so perfect, all right, brother,
<v Speaker 2>all right, we the take care and uh yeah, man,
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's anything else. I guess people
<v Speaker 2>can always just check you out on uh TikTok and
<v Speaker 2>Insta sham and whatever else.
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I just remember fuck permaculture.
<v Speaker 2>It's well intentioned, it gets people in the door, you know,
<v Speaker 2>it's I got a couple of ideological flaws in it
<v Speaker 2>as it existed, but yeah.
<v Speaker 4>All right, all right.
<v Speaker 2>Takes a lot of sacked food, forced everybody, all right,
<v Speaker 2>go funk
<v Speaker 1>Up by man hit my bite.