Hour 2 – Tush-Push Regulation, Steve Young

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: You can't let these because I do think they're going to go on a run. Now, can it be a run where they win four or five in a row? I do. I do think that they're not as bad as their record, although that defense has been very suspect. You got to get Lamar back and then maybe you know, the AFC North is not that competitive, the Bengals just losing to the Jets. You certainly have the Browns in there, and the Steelers are a good team ish but not formidable. All right, poll question for hour two is going to be what Seaton, Yeah, we got up there right now. If you could wave a magic wand and make one of these go away? Paul sent this over earlier, the tush push, intentional walks, load management, or other you could make one of these things go away, just wave the magic wand. Well, I would say load management has a bigger impact on an entire sport than the tush push or an intentional walk. So I would say the magnitude of load management, I'd like to do away with that. I don't know how you do away with that. I don't know how you make these players want to play seventy five games. I don't think there's any personal pride in that I'm going to play through an inch than reading. I get it, there's a lot of money at stake that probably, like I don't want to jeopardize anything. The intentional walk. As I said in the first hour, I think you must acknowledge that I can't get you out, and I'm going to make you throw those four pitches. Either that or you walk to the plate in u escort the hitter to first space. The tush push I don't think is back next year. I just don't can't officiate it, plane and simple. That's it. They can't get it right. And this will be enough for the commissioner to say, we just can't officiate it. Can't do it correctly. For the life of me, I don't know why they can't, but they can't, and I think that'll be the reason why we get rid of that. What other poll questions do we have?

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Speaker 3: And especially because you're looking at everything, everyone's watching all of this in slow motion, and when you watch the tush push in slow motion, you can see seven different errors mate at one time that the I think in real speed you just can't catch.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was a fumble in the Giant game. If you're going to let Jalen Hurts continue to move his legs, that's a fumble. And they missed that. They've had off sides that they've missed numerous times where they spot the ball. Is you know sometimes up to anybody's guests, I think that they'll just say, now, you know. When we talked to Dean Blandino, who used to be the head of officials now works for Fox, he said that he thought, or at least what I want to be careful what I say, paraphrasing that because the Eagles won the Super Bowl, you can't go in there and all of a sudden say we're going to get rid of that play, because then it feels like you're trying to penalize the Eagles because they won the Super Bowl. If they don't win the Super Bowl, then you have the owners meetings in March, then I think you could probably take this out. And I do think it'll be gone from the game just because because they can't find the injury data. There've been a couple of guys banged up, but not enough where you go, you know, like concussions that I think being able to officiate this is the most important part of this. And the league can fall back on that and say, no, we're not going to allow this anymore because too many bodies, we can't spot the ball and basically we haven't done a good job with this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, I was thinking, what type of language would the league have to declare the toush push dead, because it's going to be really tough for them to get rid of it.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Clearly you want to get rid of the two people pushing from behind, and they kind of did that where you have to start back.

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Speaker 6: You can't be up against them. How about this.

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Speaker 5: I was looking at a top shot of the toush push and all the players are like a flying wedge. On a normal Eagles play, there's a space at least a foot between each linemen. On the toush push, they are shoulders shoulder and they're pointed inwards. From a top shot, if they could somehow remove the lineup the spacing, or add spacing to the play and make spacing permanent, they can't do the touch push where the guard and the center cannot be shoulders shoulder.

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Speaker 6: There has to be a gap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but on a quarterback sneak, yes they are. They shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 5: On a normal quarterback sneak by their team, their shoulder to shoulder and this wedge pointed in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we allow that, then you can't say we're not going to let you do it for the tush push. You're letting them on a quarterback snake be shoulder to shoulder.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying is, you know, there's lots of rules of how the lineman and the receivers have to line up. Imagine if every offensive line had to have gaps between their offensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: But then you have to you know, now we have to have a different view of the quarterback sneak.

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Speaker 6: I know, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All you have to do is you can still have a quarterback sneak. You just can't have players behind the quarterback pushing him. That's all. We've had the quarterback snake since we've had football. Nobody's ever said we can't officiate this right. No one's ever said, I don't know how to officiate a quarterback sneak. Just don't let players behind the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 2: Problem solved and the Eagles will still be highly highly successful. And now you can't go, well, you can't do that. This would be a normal play. A quarterback sneak is a normal play, yes.

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Speaker 3: But if you took that play out of their playbook, I don't know if they still would be highly successful at quarterback sneaks what.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to some degree they would be, but not nearly.

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't have the record that they have now if they weren't able to do that play.

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Speaker 2: I think that there is data that shows on quarterback sneaks they were just as successful prior to this tush push doing the tush push because they had a great offensive line. Now, I don't know what that data like, eighty nine percent of the time they were going to get the first down something like that. But I do believe because of Jalen Hurts. Here's a guy who can squat six hundred pounds. There's no other quarterback built like him. We see Josh Allen, he's too tall and he got stopped in Kansas City during the playoffs. But with Jalen Hurts that offensive line there now, it would help if they called off sides where the guards are jumping a little bit. That would be beneficial, I think to everybody. But I think that they if they ran quarterback sneaks and you took out the we're not allowed to block the quarterback from behind, they'd still be successful. Yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 5: Over the past three seasons, the Eagles are ninety two percent on quarterback sneaks. The rest of the league is eighty three percent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they'd still be successful. But for the life of me, I don't know why they would go, yeah, we're going to allow you to push from behind, but they did so. The NFL put themselves in this position a long time ago. All right, Steve Young will join us. Coming up, we will settle on a new poll question as well. I'm looking at the Super Bowl odds. Kansas City with the impressive win last night as they beat the Commanders, the Chiefs and the Lions have the two best odds according to DraftKings this morning. Then it's the Packers and the Bills. The Colts are still in there. That's gonna be Let's see what you do in the postseason. Really feels that way with the Colts. Yeah, good story. Let's see what you do when you have to win a game yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 7: Do they feel like the Vikings from last year where the Vikings started out hot and it was like, eh, we're just not sure because of your quarterback, like he's had a great season, but eh, let's see.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, and I have no problem with that because MVP Odds Patrick Mahomes is your leader. Then it's Josh Allen, Drake may and then a big jump to Matthew Stafford Baker Mayfield, then Daniel Jones, then Jonathan Taylor and then Jordan Love. But those are the updated odds off last night with Kansas City improving to five and three having three DP show Sam and Philly. Hi, Sam, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 8: I am calling about the tush push? So is it actually hard to officiate or are they choosing to just be bad at officiating it? Because as an Eagles fan, that was definitely a fumble that they botched the call on on Sunday. Yeah, and then for spotting they got the chips in the ball. They can call off sides on every other play. I think they're just trying to make the case to get.

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Speaker 4: Rid of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they're purposely being bad officials. But I don't know how you missed that fumble because if Jalen Hurts is still moving, the line is still moving. You know. If Jalen Hurts gives himself up, okay, but he didn't and the Giants stripped the ball. To me, that was a fumble. Dave in Connecticut, Hi, Dave, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 8: Hey man? So I agree with the previous caller.

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Speaker 9: I just don't see how eliminating the push is going to change the officiating challenge that we're having. The chips and the ball is one way to do it, but you just don't have the downfield pushing that's happening. And I just don't see how changing the push is going to make it easier to officiate.

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Speaker 2: But nobody ever said we can't officiate a quarterback sneak. I don't remember in my sixty years of watching professional football where somebody goes, how do you call? You know, I don't know what's going on. I can't see. I think we allowed the officials to have sort of gray area there that we didn't go. That seems like a bad spot and we didn't have all these cameras. Keep in mind when I'm growing up. You know, you might have had one angle and that was it. There wasn't replay for something like this. Now it feels like we get to see everything and all of a sudden it's like, wait a minute, now, you shouldn't miss off sides, you shouldn't miss motion. Let's just start right there. It's really clear. Everybody is right next bunched in. Did somebody move before the ball was snapped? Yes, they did, that's all. That's really easy spotting the ball hopefully with the chip that would help. But if you're still moving and I knocked the ball out, that's a fumble. And that's where the officials they just haven't been able to call it correctly consistently. I should say. Brian in La Hi, Brian Wood's on your mind today?

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Speaker 10: No, hoy, hoidp, Dan and I just want to share a quick stand of the day with you. I know we are all praising show hey and we'll climb and Freddy Freeman for last night's performance, But there is one unsung hero and that is country superstar Brad Paisley. You see, Brad Paisley played the national anthem before last night's game, ending in Freddie Freeman's walk up. He also played the national anthem last year in Game one ending and Freddie Freeman's walk up. He also played in twenty eighteen ending the longest Old Series game with Justin Turner's home run. So the real hero of today is mister Brad Paisley.

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Speaker 2: All right, my my former video mate, what was that gone fishing? Is that the video I did with Brad Paisley a long long time ago. I have a plaque somewhere or one of those records that is it? Down the hallway?

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Speaker 7: Yes, in the hallway?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they sent me there. Pretty call for Brad Paisley.

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 2: We like him? All right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, if you're the Dodgers, do you bring Brad Paisley back or save it for when you need it?

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Speaker 2: Don have to be either tomorrow, tonight, tomorrow, you know, push it. Yeah, I would keep it special. I'd keep it. If I'm Brad Paisley. You want to be associated with those great moments in Dodger history. You don't want to get out there and then all of a sudden they lose like eight nothing and then people go, oh, you've gotta be kidding me. Yeah, do we have the I think Anthony found the Brad Paisley. Was that a platinum record that he has gone fishing? Yeah, there it is if you're watching on Peacock. That's what Brad Paisley gave me for being in the music video with him. And at the time, I didn't realize that that was his wife. Are going to be his wife? And wasn't she in parent Trap or Parenthood?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Williams Williams and she was there with him. They came up to Sports Center.

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Speaker 6: Kimberly Williams, yes, big time.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I remember. So they came into my office and we're just talking. I think he just said, this is my wife or my fiance or my girlfriend Kimberly. But I didn't realize that.

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Speaker 5: She was in Parenthood Father the Bride, Oh okay, she was a star Father of the Bride and Part two Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I remember he wanted to come in and talk to me about doing the introduction for this video and they left, and then there are all these people in the newsroom at Mothership were like, oh man, that guy had you know, they knew her, they didn't necessarily know Brad Paisley. And then I'm like, oh, she's an actress. I'm like, yeah, she's an actress. I'm like, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Paul Kimberly Williams is also in the brand new hit nine to one on Nashville.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, new show.

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Speaker 6: I just saw that. Well you're using a lot of country stars in that show.

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Speaker 2: Well from Nashville. Yep, that's a home game for all right. Let me take a break. Steve Young, hall of Famer, will join us coming up next here on The Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Steve Young, Hall of Famer three time Super Bowl champ with the Niners and won a Super Bowl MVP as well. Back on the program Good to See You Again? Is there a show hey o Tani in the NFL?

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Speaker 4: Or was there? Patrick? Patrick?

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Speaker 13: As close as anybody, right, I mean, that's that's as close as you get.

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Speaker 4: But no show by your tonny. I mean, I mean pitch and a hit. That's I was just make fun of baseball in front of my baseball friends are like, you know, I got a blister for fifteen days, you know, you know it's like then they go, oh six two games or the sixteen like, you know, we just go back and forth. But baseball when you're pitching the ball, when you're pitching and shutting people out of it and hitting home run that game a couple weeks ago, that was the al Teimers. So no, Patrick Mahomes is the one guy right now that I would put in that spot. But there are some Superman Josh Allen, Lamar Jacksonhon He's helping Superman. You know, there's some cool people to watch, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Entertaining knowing that we were going to have you on today, I was thinking about this last night watching Patrick Mahomes keep a play alive. The difference between keeping a play alive and what these younger quarterbacks do and kind of scrambling it. You know, is it semantics here because Mahomes seems to always do something correct, where these younger guys try to extend a play and they end up getting sacked.

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Speaker 4: Man, you're bringing.

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Speaker 13: Up the most important question in sports, because if the NFL is the biggest sport in the game, and the quarterback of the most important position, this is the most important question for quarterbacks because the game today, of course we talk about every week or whenever I'm on throughout the fact that it's now a game that's wide open and you have to attack the line of scrimmage from the quarterback position or else you're out. And so then becomes the question that I had to deal with my whole life is when do you go when?

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Speaker 4: And what are we doing while we're waiting? And I think that's and then how do you coach it? So many really smart quarterback coaches are now having to adjust and figure out how do I coach a guy who can move around and can threaten line of scrimmage? And so young players like I think of just fields right now, going through this incredible challenge of when like the incredible athlete, right, I can do amazing things, Yet I need to be a sophisticated passer. I know it. I know in my heart that's what I've got to become. And so how do I hang in there and fake it till I make it kind of thing? And then when do I need to go? Because I don't really know, I'm not really sure. So I really got to lean on my athleticism. So the question of the day is that how do I how do I know? And Patrick Mahomes says, we find it where he doesn't move unless it's purposeful, and because he owns the data, he's been around a long time, he is a sophisticated passer from the pocket and so that allows him to get the most out of every play. And when you get the most out of every play, then you know when the play is dead, once it's done, or I don't have a choice, I'll go, and once I go, that's a whole other play to play that that's a play we didn't call, but it's a play we get. And now I get another chance to run a new play on offense and then I have another play, a third play, I'm actually gonna run it, and he has that unique ability of his body. It's like he doesn't even really trying, or he's kind of like gliding and people are missing and he's like. So there's three really in distinct plays for Patrick, and when you really understand the game, you can't. That's how it's also hard to stop. And the young players, they have three plays, but they don't run them right, and they're trying to figure out how to run him.

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Speaker 2: Can you single out the greatest season a quarterback has ever had.

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Speaker 4: Because it's their adjusted you got different times and places, and you know, it's impossible to me. There are some amazing years that people have had. But I mean, obviously, I guess you've got to be the MVP and run to win the Super Bowl to make it that list.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and then it becomes pretty subjective to people about what you know, how old they are when it happened, and you know who they like, and you know that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm looking at Mahomes and I'm thinking, while watching Otania, I'm witnessing the greatest baseball player of all time. I am I'm watching it right. I got to see Michael Jordan play. I'm witnessing that firsthand. And I'm watching Mahomes and he's not the greatest quarterback of all time, but I'm watching him play a position that's the toughest position in all the sports, and he plays it in such a unique way. And he's played it where he throws for fifty touchdowns and then he throws for twenty five touchdowns and is still as effective.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think, okay, first of all, let's back up, I mean real quickly, a little history lesson. We do this every time. Ten years ago, they changed the rules and the rules where you can't launch defenders in the head first, and so it opened the game up. And so it changed so that now you can run college places, you can run the slip screens, you can run all the cool stuff and fun stuff. And Patrick is the person for today's game. And then let's not hit ourselves the innovative minds who jumped into that rule change, Andy Reid, Kyle Shaney, and Sean McVay, Sean Payton. That was the big four that jumped in and had a tactical advantage for a little while. So you've married one of the most innovative minds and continually innovative. And Andy Reid with Patrick Mahomes. That's what I watch every week. I do. I don't watch it, but just Patrick Mahomes every week. I watch Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes every week and how they have combined to create all this fun stuff and then Patrick to refined its game. You I appreciate what you're saying, Dan, this is.

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Speaker 13: A time for for for us to watch Patrick mahonmes and just sit back and in awe of the athleticism, the brain, the into intuition, and the presence.

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Speaker 4: One thing I remember when I watched the Monday Night. I was there in Denver when he first started, and he was he was I was standing round the sidelines and I and I have a set. I've watched quarterbacks my whole life, and I had this feeling. It's like he looks like he's playing the backyard, like just his press. This is how he feels like it's just nothing. Really is kind of laughing and have a good time. And here's his first start. He's scrambling left and right. At the end of the scramble, he takes the ball from his right and throws it and puts it in his left and throws it for a completion. Maybe Kelsey or so, I can't remember. And I'm like, and then he stood up and he's like, how about I making sure that? He said to the rough how about that?

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Speaker 11: And I thought to myself, I could only dream of being that guy that could just like be in the backyard but yet playing the best football in the world.

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Speaker 4: I think he's he's he's a magical person.

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Speaker 2: And talking to Steve Young, the Hall of Famer, give me the team that you're still not sure about?

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Speaker 4: How about a list? Meaning the Eagles, I don't I'm not sure. Really, Packers, I'm not sure. They're getting more sure. Obviously last week, the last last week was the truth when every game was like, well, that's the truth. And so the truth throughout the league was we've been met. We went through the preseason of September, we've kind of figured out who we are. Now we're gonna, you know, now, we're going to tell you the truth. And that's why the Eagles I think we're you know, in the Giants, that was the truth, and the Packers was the truth. And so there's a lot of teams the Rams like like I'm getting to know those teams that figure that they're going to be there in the end. Uh. And but who do you want to talk about? Because I mean, I think.

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Speaker 2: Like the Colts, it feels like we're going to wait until the postseason to go.

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Speaker 4: I told you you haven't done it. Daniel Jones like the Colts, like, it's just you. We're all we're all history majors, right, and so the Colts are not that historical last ten fifteen years, like, oh yeah, the Colts will be there now, the Chiefs, you know, you've got to figure they're going to be there and their bills or figure they'll be there. The Eagles and even the Packers. I understand all that. The Colts they always have to figure out how to prove it to you in January February. That's just because they're new. When you're new, you got it. No one cares like, hey, this is fun, this is nice. But right, we'll see, we'll see in January when you go to Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Kansas City's got the Bills coming up, they got a bye week, they're at the Broncos. They host the Colts.

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Speaker 4: Fun. But I always said regular season, I mean when we played the Cowboys in regular season, whoever won that games like woo, you know it didn't it mattered, but it didn't matter. I just it wasn't the thing. It'll it's a sign it's important, it's not nothing. But it's also not January. So I think there's a different shift to make sure you keep that in mind.

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Speaker 2: But how do you try harder at the quarterbacking position as a regular season game against the Cowboys and then a postseason game.

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Speaker 4: It always reminded me during the week when you have a big game coming up and you have some quote from one of the other team's defensive line like we're gonna, we're gonna get Steve the other I'm gonna. I'm so focused and like really, I mean honestly, like you're more focused to kill me than the week before when you want to go like stop. And that's why I think even from the teams and quarterbacks like there's it is an emotional game. That's why New Rocky's famous, right because he made a speech everyone like oh we're great, like it is you have to be inspired to go run into people. So it does matter, and it does and you can get lulls of emotion. And you see games where people are flat and it really shows up football but trying extra hard. That really the best teams dan don't. It's like they don't look like they're trying extra hard, like they they're still focused, they're still they're but sure about it. Right, It's like we come out of the locker room, we're actually not care. We don't care who we play. We know that we're about trying to find out how good we are, and that's what we that's our quest. And so this if you're if you think you're pretty good, great, come on in. We'll check you out and we'll see how I'll see how we stand. The mature teams don't rock, you know, get off, oh my gosh, this is the game. And then the next week's like, oh flat, that's the Cowboys, right, That's that's how they roll. And and that's not as mature.

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Speaker 2: When we were I was growing up and playing football, you're always cognizant of this is going to hurt. I'm gonna get hit, this is gonna hurt. Like when do you graduate two? You don't think about that's going to hurt when I get hit? Do you graduate to that point where you don't think about it.

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Speaker 4: I will tell you, Dad, I think that's probably why you're not pro, because I don't think I ever really thought.

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Speaker 14: To myself, oh this is But I will say I'm football is the truth, and no one ever, at the moment of impact thinks, oh, I'm getting paid.

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Speaker 4: You might think about it when your line of scrimmage. You're thinking, man, I'm getting paid and this is good, and then all of a sudden they gain and then so when you get hit. And that's why football is such an amazing game because there is a truth to it that no one, no one's, no one cares at the moment of impact, who's who's getting paid what? And that's what really matters. And that's very pro. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: I won't.

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Speaker 2: No, I think hold on here, I think we got a we lost you a little bit. Wait are you back now? Can you hear I'm here? You got it? Okay? Yeah, that you chopped up a little bit there. So whatever that genius was that you were saying, yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: There's so many guys that start in the league and they're the most amazing athletes in the in the league, and then they find their way out of the out out of the game in three or four years, and you're like, what happened to that guy? Well, what happened to that guy is he didn't love football. He worried. He thought about, Wow, this is gonna hurt. Like it the game itself, there's a love for it that that the pros the pro game forces you know, it's a referendum on whether you love it or And I've seen a lot of amazing athletes that just don't love it in the game and the pro game. The college game doesn't force you out like that, the cheerleaders and the alumni and all that stuff, but pro game it's the referendum. And the guys leave the game because that you just said, this is going to hurt, and then they just and the guys that play forever they actually never think about which is weird.

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Speaker 2: But you got hurt, you got hit, you suffered concussions, but but you never thought, God that hurts, or this is going to hurt. That you see somebody coming right at you go the kind of this is going to hurt.

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Speaker 4: Well, I remember the Fridge. I remember William of Fridge three eighty. You know he is football cards said three fifty if you admit three fifty your forte And I remember he got me up under my chin, right straight up and then was poppling me over and was gonna land on. I thought, I'm gonna die like this is it could be there's no way my body can withstand this. And it did. It didn't. I thought it would break. It didn't break, which is crazy. I did did take the wind out of me, but it didn't break me.

00:30:23
Speaker 13: But I think, yeah, there's well, here's how I'll say it. If it hurts during the game, you you're gonna it's gonna be a problem the next week.

00:30:35
Speaker 4: Like you usually, adrenaline and everything else you don't really notice. And then after the game in the shower you're like, oh, wrap, that hurts.

00:30:42
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:30:42
Speaker 4: But then that's something that's gonna get you know, you figure out by Wednesday. But if it hurts during the game and you got on the sideline and like man, then you you got a problem. That's how you know.

00:30:51
Speaker 2: Well, like Cam scattaboo so dislocates his ankle, but he's I don't know if the body protects you in that moment or there were shocked because he's pointing he knows that it's serious, but it doesn't look like he's in agony. And I don't know what happens to the body in a moment like that, where you see guys blow out their knee or you know, have devastating injuries and then they get carted off and they're giving a thumbs up to the crowd, I'd be weeping.

00:31:21
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think sometimes I would say that I didn't have anything terrible ever happened, which I'm grateful for. But the guys that I know who did talk about it as if, especially in knee when it's kind of blown out, it doesn't like it doesn't hurt like the pains you know already happened. But it just depends. But I'm telling you, the toughest humans beings I have ever known played football. I'm sure I wasn't in a lot of other spots where the top shoe means hang out, but I did hang out for football. And I'm telling you that I remember going back to my Tampa Bay days. The season I played in Tampa with James Wilder James Alden running back from Missouri, and we were two and fourteen, and I remember thinking, like, you guys are losers, I'm like, have you met Jane Wilder? That dude is not a loser. That means the toughest human being I think I've ever met my life. And that's the other thing that you just you don't realize that so many guys are toiling in the NFL that you don't know that aren't the toughest bass Would you ever live?

00:32:19
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, but you gave him the ball three hundred and fifty times.

00:32:23
Speaker 4: The poor guy make up some number like you got you're that fast?

00:32:27
Speaker 2: You're not that fast with the stat Okay, Paulie, would you check and see Wilder I think has had the most carries in a season in NFL.

00:32:33
Speaker 6: His I think it was like four oh seven for the record, were check?

00:32:36
Speaker 4: You just trying to come on, don't don't show.

00:32:39
Speaker 2: Why didn't you throw the ball a little bit? Steve gave it to James Wilder.

00:32:45
Speaker 4: The goodest story of James over in the blizzard in Green Bay. And I'm sorry if I repeated this story and I not completed a ball. I'm like, oh, for eleven and it's like the second quarter and I'm like, my first game I ever played, her, second game I've ever played in the NFL. I turned to James, like you, it's jump in front of me and I'm going to shoggle the ball to you so I have a completion because I'm afraid that I don't want to be the only quarterback in the history of the game that didn't have a completion. So you can see his stats that day. It's Wilder of one catch fight as PAULI.

00:33:15
Speaker 2: Do you have the numbers there on Wilder?

00:33:17
Speaker 5: The most carries James Wilder had for Tampa was nineteen eighty four, four hundred and seven carries fifteen and forty four yards.

00:33:24
Speaker 16: Hem and he you talk about feeling every one of them like he was a tough man, and so that's what I guess what you're saying is there's guys that aren't ready for the game because they are the toughest humans you ever met.

00:33:38
Speaker 2: Do you have your Tampa jersey framed?

00:33:43
Speaker 4: No, I don't have anything frame, but I think I have in Tampa jersey. I'm very proud of this. You know, it's funny that season. It was fun into being a team that was so dysfunctional and but yet such good guys.

00:33:55
Speaker 13: But just the culture, the leadership, the it was just a mess.

00:34:00
Speaker 2: Because I would have one that was game used because you probably have grass stains and turfalls.

00:34:05
Speaker 4: So we had these orange jerseys. But because they can't find any material it's orange, they get it from, you know, somewhere where it's thick. It's like this thick you could almost fold it and it would make it.

00:34:17
Speaker 2: Freeze, you know what I mean, Like and it was hot down there.

00:34:20
Speaker 4: Does anyone know we're in Tampa? Like, where's the match? Bro gets me some orange mesh? Why do we have to have this thick like Canadian? This is stupid stuff like that. You're just like, come on, man, like like let's get this figured out.

00:34:38
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Daniel good Man, Thank you, Steve. That's uh Steve Young. He didn't get hurt. I remember getting hit one time and I was like, I don't want to play this sport. I could throw, but I just didn't want to get hit. And uh, I remember they brought me back for an alumni game. I didn't even play high school foot ball, and they said we don't have a quarterback. Would you play quarterback? And I remember going to the line of scrimmage and my offensive guard he weighed I'm going to guess one hundred and fifty pounds, and we had guys on the other side who played football in college. And it was one of the worst decisions I ever made in my life because all I kept thinking is those guys over there played in the Mid American Conference and they're going to hurt me. And it brought back all those memories where I'm like, I don't want to play and they're like, we don't have a quarterback in the even it was even versus odd years for a high school alumni football game. We lost six nothing.

00:35:39
Speaker 6: Okaysh you care?

00:35:43
Speaker 2: Yeah you didn't? All right, Well, take a break. Kevin Malar Top of the Hour recapping the game last night in Los Angeles, and Reggie Miller as well. We're back after this.

00:35:53
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00:36:05
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00:36:58
Speaker 7: I'm going to go with one of your favorite Ti Reese Maxi.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: Over twenty eight and a half against the Wizards. Correct, he's averaging thirty seven Paul VJA Edgecumbe.

00:37:08
Speaker 6: He is hot to start the season. Look great last night?

00:37:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, uh so he's had twenty six thirty four and uh so over nineteen and a half points.

00:37:19
Speaker 6: Taking the over Todd, I like VJ two.

00:37:22
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. Okay, Seaton, you said Janis Janis over twelve and a half rebounds, and he's going against one of the great big men of all time, Karl Anthony town NBD. Yeah, who are you taking?

00:37:41
Speaker 3: Jannis?

00:37:41
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go LaMelo ball over eight and a half assists. He's shooting a little bit more, but he's averaging just under. I think he gets nine assists. I think that's what happens here. But uh, he's played well. And his brother is with the Cabs. Lonzo is with the Cabs now, and he actually I saw in play against the Knicks. I thought he looked pretty good. And he still can't shoot, but he still looked good. And I think even one of the announcers said it might have been Tim Legler. He's like, you know what he's gonna do. He's going to make you better. His goal, his job is to make you better. The sportsbook for betting NBA stars the King of the Court that's with DraftKings, and make sure you try to win your share. One million dollars paid out in bonus bets with the points, rebounds, and assists combined for that night. Yes, Paul, your boy.

00:38:32
Speaker 6: Austin Reeves forty one.

00:38:34
Speaker 5: Last night, Dalton connect off the bench getting some run with the injury sixteen.

00:38:39
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves, I think has over one hundred and forty points in the first four games. I think that's third on the all time Laker list. Fifty one points the other night, and he shot twenty two free throws. That's the amazing part. It sounded like he's Shay Gilgis, but he had twenty two free Laurie Markanen went for fifty one last night the Utah Jazz Lauri marketon.

00:39:07
Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin, he has an All Star appearance, but Aaron Gordon doesn't.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: No Wild Well, he did stand out. I mean he puts up good numbers, he just puts them up in obscurity. He's one of those guys that may eventually play on a really good team and then all of a sudden you go by that guy's pretty good.

00:39:27
Speaker 4: You know.

00:39:27
Speaker 2: Chris Bosh was putting up big numbers in Toronto. He'd get like twenty two and twelve. Kevin Love was putting up big numbers when he was in Minnesota. I mean he had a night where he had thirty thirty. You had thirty rebounds in a game one night. But if a tree falls in the forest, then all of a sudden, you go to the cabs and goes man, you really need him. Chris Bosh goes to Miami and you're like, man, he's good, all right? Sean and Oregon. Hi, Sean, what's on your mind today? Hey? Sean? Oh?

00:40:04
Speaker 15: Hey on thatcher brought?

00:40:04
Speaker 2: Hey Dan, Hey Sean.

00:40:08
Speaker 15: Hey, I'm totally stoked about the Dodgers. But what I'm really calling about is Friday Night's game with the Blazers and Warriors. You know, after everything the Trailblazers have been going through, it's great to see him snap a nine game losing streak and dominating fashion get a twenty point, twenty point win with interim coach t I go splitter.

00:40:29
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sean. Yes, interesting watching the Blazers. No Chauncey Billips. And we haven't heard much more from this, although I think Congress or the Senate is asking questions of Commissioner Silver like they they want to know if everything's on the up and up with these bets prop bets. I think Ted Cruz is heading this up and they want to talk to the Commissioner.

00:40:54
Speaker 7: Yes, Todd, and social media is not letting it go.

00:40:56
Speaker 17: Every other thing I see now if I spend more than five seconds looking at anything related to this, they're showing previous games and who's not catching the ball or took a terrible shot, analyzing every little moment on players.

00:41:07
Speaker 2: That's why when you have to take into question what you're seeing is real, and there are some fans that are convinced it's not necessarily real. Everything. Kevin Malaw, Reggie Miller, Final Hour, Dan and The Dan at Stan Patrick Show.